No Jumper - The Larry Lawton Interview: Being America's Biggest Jewel Thief, Prison Stories & More

Episode Date: May 3, 2022

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No Jumper. And today we're in here for a very, very exciting episode with the one and only Larry Lawton. How you doing, Larry? Hey, how you doing, Adam? Very, very excited to have you on here, man. I watched your Vlad interview last night. I've been checking out a lot of the content that you've been putting on on your YouTube channel. And it's great, man. You got an amazing story.

You know, I think it's more amazing because I went away for not telling. Did all my time, beat a life sentence, got out, and did it. just fade away. You know, I went, I went the next step. I developed the program to help kids all over the world. It's the number one program in the United States right now. And I lived a fucking crazy life out of it. I mean, from robbing 18 fucking million, 20 stores, FBI wanted me.

They're the ones who got me. I've been shot. I've been stabbed twice. I stabbed two people. I lived a crazy life. And I look back at it and say, it's like normal to me. You know, it's just crazy. And the crazy part about it is think about all the guys you are around who are the same age as you,

who probably did some time along the way, and I don't know, what the fuck are they doing? And meanwhile, you're the rare person who's actually able to make something out of their life experience, no matter how traumatic it was. You know, especially being organized crime, too, you know, connected to get rid of my diamonds and all. I'll get into that. It's crazy. And even getting out of that lifestyle and knowing all the guys and friends of mine that are dead and friends of mine are never getting out of prison, like you said.

And then going to Atlanta, which is the worst prison in the country at the time. We had to murder a month for 18 months. So that just gets it more and say, why aren't they doing it? But, man, I just got to stay away. It's sometimes a draw, you know. Don't think it's not. Getting back in the streets? Well, no, I mean, you know, there's always the times I can go by a place and think I could rob it.

You know, I had that bad way. I'm an older guy now, and I still feel young or, you know, ready to, you know, ready to do things and that's why I'm doing what I do. Plus I like helping a lot of people as well. Well, you're somebody who I think you have a lot of energy and you being able to channel it into something is very, very important. Like if you weren't putting all this effort and energy into making content and going out and doing all this stuff, where would that energy be going? I mean, unless you can find a productive outlet for it, it's going to go into bad stuff because there's always going to be opportunities to do bad stuff. That's a great point. And you're

probably right, you know, even at my age. And, you know, you get back issues, you know, but I was always doing stuff. I can foresee that. You're smart. And it always just, you never know when things. I've been on TV for 15 years. Right. You know, best-selling book, all that kind of stuff. But then, you know, YouTube hits two years ago. Two years ago is all we've been on it. That's it. Wow. And we were the number one playlist in the Gangster Redemption series because I came up with a way to, you know, you could literally, I read my book, narrating part, online for free. Right.

So it's in the chapters, you're in the play. And people just, that's what blew me up. I mean, blew me up in the great story. You gotta hear how I started YouTube. Vanity Fair. Right. You know who they are. They hire me to come up, do a video in, this, I had no YouTube.

This is two years and three months ago. Okay. They come up, they said, listen, we want you to do a video. If it gets 150,000, 180,000 views in the little time period we know about YouTube, we're going to discuss a contract which you can come on up. I said, okay, come back, do the video. Within a month, it's got a million views. Wow.

And what is the title? It's Jewel Robb, Reviews, Mob Movies, or Crime Movies Heist. Right. If you looked it up, you could just Google Larry Lawton, YouTube, anything, Larry Lawton, Vanity Fair. Right. And so I come back, I don't even have a YouTube at the time. time. I come back, starts doing good. I'm thinking, wait. And friends of mine in the industry say,

like, I ain't going to call you. You're going to do something good. It's blowing up. It's going more and more. Never thank you. And, you know, understanding YouTube, like we know it now, it's a whole different thing. They do that. Never call me. Never call me. Well, in the contract, I did one video. I actually did two, but they needed my signature to get the release on the second. Okay. Adam, they never call me. these pricks never fucking even sent me a bottle of scotch said now to this day that video's got over 11 million views and no it's just that it just I'm so happy

because in the meantime I don't hear from them people contacting me because there's this video and everything going crazy I didn't have a YouTube I started a YouTube right then and there and within one year we hit a million and a million four and and the playlist we had a high

playlist you know I do gaming do all the shit that it goes along with it but it's amazing how Vanity Fair pushed me into YouTube and here's the greatest part I get I get an email

from Vanity Fair the guy says listen Larry can you sign the release on the other video this motherfucker's never asked me a thing Adam not even like how you doing you know great Joe we change staffs nothing right corporate so after they do that

I go back. I get online. I find out LinkedIn. I pay for LinkedIn. I do the whole works. And I get the COOs, the CEOs. I get everybody's number and everything. I email them. I said, you owe me $491. It was a liquor bill. But $491 last trip. I'm nobody. Nobody knows anybody pay me. And no, you do not have permission to do anything. Thank you for starting this, this YouTube thing I'm doing now. Right. I get an email back from one of his big way COOs. Sorry, Mr. Lawton. We fuck. And they didn't say fuck, obviously. We messed up.

You know, heads were rolling and we hope we can do business in the future. I will catch them. I'm looking at the growth rate. See, okay, from my perspective, I was pretty early in the whole scheme of, like, doing content with rappers and all these viral people online and stuff. So then it was kind of crazy for me to see at one point that you have someone like Vanity Fair or GQ who they have a brand name because, you know, they used to have this killer business of being able to sell magazines and advertisements. And some of them still do. I'm sure they make some money off of selling print magazines and everything and airports and shit like that. But then they kind of come along and they take the fact that they are viewed as this big prestige brand.

And they start swooping in and taking all these rappers, all these cool young guys that I was doing content with and stuff. Not that I have any kind of ownership over their career at all. But then all of a sudden it's Roddy Rich talks about his $5 million diamond collection or whatever. And it's like, it's crazy because it's like, holy shit. like Vanity Fair is all of a sudden pretending that they give a fuck about rappers because now they have to follow the fucking rules of YouTube, which is that

rappers are the ones who get you views or criminals. Never, ever, ever, did they write a fucking profile about a guy like you in their magazine? They're writing fancy, you know, movie stars and whoever, but because they have to follow the incentives, they're out here doing

content with jewel thieves and gang, you're not gang members, but you know, rappers and shit like that, yeah. You are so right when I look back and I say, and then they recognize you. Like all of a sudden, oh, we need them now. We want to collaborate with them later. But when they're Vanity Fair, you know,

they own, they in New York City, you know, New York City, of course, the Freedom Tower, the old World Trade Center. Right. The whole 24th floor is studios. Right. Fucking studios. I mean decked out. I mean, you know what I mean.

I mean, the best of equipment, rooms, this stuff. And they got crews coming and going, cooking shows. and all that. And they do ask that. And then it's, oh, fuck you, you know. Because there's nobody in there who really gives a fuck, you know? Like this business is like first generation, because I'm still running it, you know? Vanity Fair, how many fucking times is it changed ownership? It's owned by a gigantic mega multinational corporation, whatever. It's like, you know. Connett's travel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. And what you say is so interesting and so cool because as a guy, a friend of mine says, Larry, it's a shame. It's just because

the corporations get so big that people don't give a fuck. And they're just there for the paychecks anymore. Where you and I, we want to see people go. I want to see people get bigger. And I love the brand of the YouTube for this reason. It's everybody helps everybody. I've helped guys with 100,000 and growing blast and oh I am.

And then guys like, you have me on it. It's nobody, there's no cutthroat shit. Yeah. I don't see it. Maybe I'm too new in it. If you're selling heroin and I'm selling heroin, and then we're both vying for the same clientele if we're in the same city or whatever

whereas with YouTube everybody can ideally coexist. Yeah, exactly. Listen, the seven, what? Not that I ever sold heroin, but I assume. I didn't sell it. I've done every drug in the book with it. I think with seven billion people on the earth and three billion people YouTube,

whatever the fucking numbers are stupid all. There's room for everybody, man. Right. And I enjoy it. I like to meet different guys. See their stories, like you said. How they came up. you know, listen to your interview style on videos in the last week.

I says, fuck, you guys a good interview. And that's rare because I'm learning that part of it. You know what I mean? Because I'm fucking, I'm aggressive. When I first started doing this, I was looking at Joe Rogan, and I was like, fuck, he got 400, I think he had 400 episodes when I was starting 300 episodes. And like, now he has like 1,500 or some shit like that. And I was like, well, he's probably a lot better than I am at this right now.

But if I fucking work my ass off, I can get to the long run faster. You know, I can like, if I really grind this out, then I can like learn how to do this better and better. It was something I was so confident that I was going to be able to get better at. And the thing about me is I just rip myself to shreds in my head. Every time I say a fucking word wrong on this podcast, it's lingering in the back of my head. You mispronounce the fucking word, you know, like every little thing. Anytime I accidentally guide the conversation in a direction that I don't think is.

optimal that just like really stands out to me I'm always trying to correct my behavior on here to the point of my my co-host can tell you that I can be kind of annoying in terms of getting annoyed by shit like you know interrupting and all this stuff I'm a little a little too drill sergeant ish sometimes occasionally very rarely you know that's really so true I've even learning myself you know I'm not understanding interview and I was a Howard Stern fan when I grew up mega Howard Stern fan oh man as a young kid 11 12 13 that was my show yeah well I was a little probably old I'm sure I was older, but yeah, I mean I was watching since I was a kid 35 years ago, 40 years ago

Yeah, I want every start I don't know his anniversary He was on K Rock and shit in New York City Yeah, and he just fucking put the way he did things and he didn't give a shit in the way I watched YouTube who do interviews even myself now we do interviews with people and all that and stuff It's funny because with Howard Stern I never I don't know if I ever looked at him and thought like oh I could do that It seemed impossible how the fuck you get a job you're on the radio station is a superstar you know Like, how could I ever even thought about it? Now, if I had been a little bit more aspirational or, like, conscious of the fact that it is possible for you to do incredible things in your life, then I would have thought, fuck, maybe if I intern at a radio station and then I get a, if I go to college or broadcast it, yada, yada, I was more like, no, fuck that.

That's not possible. And you're 100% right because it's so different back in those days. And I remember those days. It's where, you know, networks owned, there were five stations, NBC, CB, CB, you know. Now there's fucking a thousand fucking channels as YouTube streaming services You there's so many places to get your content out and do get a message out I always have a message with content now Whatever it is it's fun it's fucking crazy right but don't do what I did man I mean You don't want to live the way I live like a fucking animal in the hole for three years and all the crazy shit that you know you're stuck on crazy and anybody who's been there will tell you that

Right you know anybody and I've been there a long time I went there from 96 to 2007. We're not getting out. So, I mean, I see guys come on your show, and I see you interview them, and they get 20 years, 20 years. And I know I get it so quick. Their head's been quite, you know, today you're going to make about 1,500 choices.

Maybe as the boss, more, of course. Okay. The average inmate makes 100. Really? So when he gets- Study that's been done on. Oh, many studies. Right.

With psychologists. In fact, when I got out of prison, I couldn't even buy a fucking subway sandwich. I get out. I got money in my pocket. Great. Things are great. I'm fucking,

I'm excited. I had money in my commissary and he let me out. I was in Forest City, Arkansas. And I had to go to Florida for a halfway house. And I said, okay, I'll be on paper there. This is perfect.

I want to go on a bus. I've been on Con Air 16 times in fucking chat. I've been on the buses. I mean, I've got frequent flyer miles on Con Air. Right, yeah. And so. So I want to fucking go and see the world.

So I get out, now this is 2007, and I get out, and, you know, I thought a Chrysler 300 was a Rolls Royce. If you remember when the Chrysler 300's changed, their back and all that shit, I didn't know this. But anyway, get on the bus. They give me the big thing. Drop you off. I stand. I'm driving. I see a girl, of course, holy shit.

Haven't seen one in so long. And she's nice. And I sit down next to her, and I sit down next to her. said to her this talk about wild talk about the period i missed 96 to 2007 so this is like within hours of you getting out hours okay now when you talk about understanding you know you're intelligent i got my degree in there i do a lot of stuff do law uh i mean just crazy you know read the paper help people did a lot of legal work i fucking get on the bus and she has a razor flip phone remember the razor flip phone right and you hadn't seen it haven't seen it haven't seen it when i

the prison. We had a motor roller phone. I could beat you and make a fucking call. I can do a commercial. Or the fucking, the thing's over the thing, you know, with a wire hanging up, and you were a big shot. And that was super shit. But anyway, I get on the bus. I sit next her, and I look at her, and she

says, I said, can I see that? Think about how that sounds today. There's this fucking guy you know just got out of prison, fucking white as a ghost, that's the hole, got the bobo shoes. You know it all works. I fucking she goes, yeah, I look at the phone. I said, how can these fucking hands

touch these little buttons? I close the phone. I give it back to her. She's looking at me. I'm crazy. I'm doing this shit. Like, and they go, what the fuck? On the bus?

Yeah, because I never been in shackles and handcuffs and eaten on the plane for 13 hours with shackles and belly chains. Never could leave your hands. I'm free. Right. I fucking people looking at you,

but I don't notice. I know people looking at what I'm threatened. You know, you can feel tension in the room, guys who've been where I did. So anyway, I that she gets up and leaves the next stop. I got my own seat. Nobody's there. I don't know, you know.

The bus driver gets on the radio and says, all right, everybody, we got 40 minutes to get something to eat. 40 minutes to get something to eat. We're getting back on the bus. I'm thinking, we're pulling for gas. Where the fuck are we going? You're pulling for gas and get, what am I going to eat at a fucking gas station? When I went to prison, you got beer,

fucking, you know, cigarettes, fucking, you know, whatever. You haven't seen the evolution of the gas station. Wow. I go at him and I fucking see these gas station. It's got a subway. He's got a fucking food market. And I remembered Fat Jared that fuck was getting fucked in the joint now.

Wait, really? You think? He's definitely, depending on, unless he went to a WittSec, you know, witness protection program. Because he's so famous. And, like, he's got to be such a target. They got to fucking hide him away, right? You know, I guarantee they fucking fucking fucking with him. I saw when I was on the plane coming back, I saw Lou Pearlman when he was

getting or when he got arrested. Really? And, you know, Lou Pearl, me was the guy with the boy bands and he fucked them in sync and all that, and Backstreet Boys. I said, I didn't give a fuck. I'm at the end of my sentence, too.

I seen him on the bus. I said, you fat fuck, they're going to fuck you. And he's fucking looking like fucking, you know, he's in his fucking dinghy, he's fat fucking bro-in that creep motherfucker. So anyway, I get on the bus. I get off the bus at him. Yeah.

To go eat. I end up getting on the line and I got money in my pocket. I start shaking. True story. I couldn't take it. I'm looking up. There's all these choices to make. Now I'm feeling people fucking behind me.

Feeling my eyes. I fucking turned around. I went back on the bus. I sat in the back of the bus. I was crying like a baby. And I'm a big, crazy, mean guy, maximum security people, all that shit. I end up calling the next stop. I call my cousin, who thank God. She's a life coach, a psychologist. And she says, Larry, I don't. I was literally ready to do somebody to anybody to go back behind the bars.

Right. I was totally institutionalized. I called my cousin, she says, you have sensory overload. You have sensory overload. Did you know she was so right? I only felt good when I got back into the halfway house and they locked me up. Wow.

And I think about that psych and why they tell, and they try to help people when they get out. And I have a great program for that, but it's more. it's more here. They give him a house, give him a job, and this, and it's here. Right.

You got to fucking change the mind. You can have a brother who gets out of prison. Uh-huh. And you want to help him. Man, you're his brother, man, whatever. So you got the new TV remote. You get the remote. You take it from him and say,

look at this, bro, man. You know what he's thinking? You can't think I can't think I can fucking handle this shit in the back of his head. Instead of talking, I'm like, Hey, let me show you this new system we got and play with it for a while. Do you think this is very common for people getting out of doing long bids in prison? Absolutely. Because it sounds more extreme than the average person when you talk about not being able to go on the subway.

No, a lot of them can't eat. Most of them, even in a halfway house, they leave their groceries at a grocery store because they were so freaking the first time shopping. There was a CVS, they used to say whatever it was, Walgreens. And they used to give you four hours at them to go get hygiene items when you got the. to the half house. Today you give me four hours. I'll play two holes of golf, get laid,

fucking go have a few drinks at the ball and be back with my toothbrush or whatever I got to buy. Four hours in prison. They gave you four hours because they knew that it was going to take everybody a while. Yeah, you go there

and you think of the mindset. There's 30 types of toothpaste. In prison, they give you three days to pick A.m. Or Colgate on a fucking commissary list. Here is 30 types. Now I'm figuring out of it's

I got my power. I said, why is this good? What is this? You fucking, it's century overload. Right. I remember I went there to the counter and I had $5.25 worth the shit. Lady gives me a receipt, my bag, and I'm looking at her. So who's my fucking money. Where's my fucking money? Touches me. I almost hit him. I'm fucking thinking, you beat me. That's the mindset. Forget the 75 cents. She points to the end of the counter. The money. came down that change shoot. I was so fucked up from 96.

And these guys were 20 years. I had friends of mine. I helped. I just got a friend out 30 years. I picked them up. I helped him transition. My brother, things. I have to do that. How do you transition, though? What does it take? Just time? It takes time. Just got to ease them into it a little bit.

Totally. I went to an Orlando Magic game and my buddy saw me like really tensing up all the time because I didn't want to be around those crowds. without knowing. So you have to slowly build. Guys want to jump in. Listen, what's the first thing you do?

You get out of prison, you know? You want to fucking get right back into the game or whatever you're doing. Anything, even go slow, man. Because this is seven, like, when I left prison, when you leave from the hole, you leave from somewhere bad, there's almost a 70% chance

you're going back to prison. That's crazy. It's fucking 70%. The recidivism rate is off the charts. It's 65 or 62. There's different studies on one of it. see I have a friend we were having this conversation because he does podcasts on here too and his brother has been locked up for I don't know how long seven years or some shit like that

he's about to get out and he's talking about how he's going to have him back on the on his podcast right away and I was kind of like are you sure that's a good idea because I don't know like when you first get out are you going to want to sort of like be eased into life before you sort of throw them into just being on camera in front of these people and what you just said kind of confirmed some of the skepticism I had there because I just I'm not sure but I wonder what that would do to somebody to all of a sudden be on this platform and the chat going crazy talking about you and shit some of that stuff might be kind of hard to handle if you've been locked up for that long right absolutely not only that he will have fucking such sensory overload and he'll try to fight it the way he can

you know usually guys who are in a prison were aggressive right you know so you can get aggressive you can snap quicker, you can do something. I mean, you get through with the right people, obviously like people do, but you're really putting yourself in a bad spot to do it. You know, I've seen guys so many go back. And usually it's because they get right back. You know, we're like horses.

See, the difference between a human and a horse is no matter what happened to you in your past, you can get over it, you can forget it, you can be better for it, you can try things that, a whole different brine's at. A horse, I had horses. You wanted to stop a horse. horse from taking your fucking knocking you off the horse

instead of putting the tie down cowboy gets on a horse he takes a beer bottle he fills it for fucking warm water horse gets up bam smashes the bottle over the fucking horse's head stop animal cruelty I'm not no none of the shit it's like a brick it's a hard thing

couldn't even touch that horse but the warm water he thought it was his blood the hoofs go out you know the horse won't do that they're not gonna fuck around because they'll never forget that we are blessed as people to put shit that's happened behind us to get on, move. But what happens with ex-cons is a lot of times they don't fucking,

you know, they put aside how bad it was. You can't tell me anybody who's been in prison because I was in prison. I was tortured, strapped down naked, beaten, all documented. And tell me that life, no matter what the fuck's going on in your own life outside, that that life's better. Right. No guy ever gets out of prison and says, you know, I'm going back.

Right. None. They'll say the craziest shit. I'm never going back. I'm dying in a gunfight. I'll kill a cop. Whatever the fuck they want to say. Anything would be better than...

They're going back. Right. But then they go back a year later because they, again, that luck, that blessing we have to put shit out of our heads, they didn't relate. But if they relate, if they fucking say, man, you want to be told when to do, what to get up, when to fucking count, everything in your fucking life. Right. That alone.

says, what the fuck are you doing here? I can't do that again. And I'm in the streets my whole life. And I look at it as a positive now to educate people, you know, more than anything. Listen, I've been on the shows. I've been through it. I was at maximum security prison my time.

So I understand the game. But if we don't put it with a good message, anything we're doing. And you have a good message. And I party. I love to have fun, but I control it. I don't let it control me. Whatever it is.

Right. Look at you. You work your ass off. I know how it is. I mean, I know what it is. And much respect because I know the hustle. I know the hardness. I know where it's at.

Right. And to see you do it and the quality. And, you know, watching your story kind of made me think about this. Is that I very much, like, had the idea to do crimes to make money before I had the idea to like work or start a business to make money. You know, that just like made sense to me earlier in my life. I was dysfunctional in that way. And when I think about it, it's like it really takes a lot of skill to run a successful

business. In comparison, being able to be a robber who just separates that business owner from their money by somehow getting in between the money and the person, it's a lot easier. You know, like when I was thinking about the jewelry stores and everything, I mean, it takes a lot of startup capital, of course, but it also takes just a lot of intelligence in order to be able to run this business and do the marketing and have a successful jewelry store or whatever. But then there's another route into making money, which is you can kind of just insert yourself in between that. And I think about how that's, like, I know a guy who's a scam

artist, basically. It's like a friend of a friend. And, you know, he just can convince people to just give him 10, 15,000. And then he doesn't do anything. He just rips them off. You know, like the actual really smart, talented person is the person who can get you to give him $10,000 and then he actually invest it and makes money for you. He's the opposite. He has the part of the puzzle where he can

get you to come up out the money. He just doesn't have the full thing, which would make him an actual successful business person if he could make you more money. And I mean, that's not even to say anything about all the credit card fraud I used to do back in the day, which is the same thing. It takes a lot of fucking intelligence to run a Walmart.

It doesn't take that much intelligence to fucking be the guy who walks in there with a credit card and walks out with a bunch of shit, you know? Well, there's truth to that. But then it's true to it. But it's certainly a talent. Without getting caught for so long. Right. And because what you were doing,

when you really think about it, there's so many levels of crime. But what you were doing was actually the most difficult level that you could play the game on. You know, when the FBI got caught me, you know, I was caught by the big boys, He's a major case squad, FBI, all that kind of shit. And the guy was Matt Mullen.

Wasn't a bad guy either. Remember him. And he says, why didn't you quit? Why didn't you quit? I mean, you have money, horses, limousines, cash, power, everything. I go, because it was a high like I never had in my life. And anybody says that it isn't is wrong. To this day, I mean, and I've done everything in the book, there's no, you know, you try to

search for it. There's no searching for that high. That eye is the best eye in the fucking world. It's like getting overwinning. And here's that I'll never say I will say it was okay to do what I did. Let me get that out of the way. But the people I robbed wouldn't want to testify for it. They made money.

You know, every jewelry store I robbed had insurance. Right. Now, one time the FBI comes to me and says, hey, Larry, man, you got $1.2 million out of that store. I said, I got about $800 out of that store. Well, the guy was putting 400,000 and extra insurance money. So who hated me was the insurance companies.

Right. Because they're fucking getting whacked for the money. These people are all selling their inventory. If you own a jewelry store and you got it insured properly and a guy walks in and wipes you out. Right. You just sold your whole fucking jewelry store. Yeah.

Good, bad and indifference. That's why I never even occurred to me to feel bad for the people whose credit card accounts. We were running up because you get it back from the bank. right? I mean, unless you're a fucking idiot, right? And I know it's not right. You know what I mean to say it's okay, go out, rob shit, the long as you're in the insurance. I'm not here to say that. I'm here to say there's ways and, you know, what I did was very rare because I went for so long and it was so good at what it and they, and the insurance companies did want me. That's the difference.

And you know, and I, you know, the reason they fucked with me so hard is because I wouldn't tell. You know, I don't believe in that. And I'm not going to get into the ratting game and all. that bullshit and I know and all this shit. To me, if you and Adam and Larry do a crime, we're selling weed and you get caught and you say fucking Larry's the man. That's a fucking rat. Right. A guy's

mother gets robbed in his house and she calls the police. That's not a rat. If you willingly enter into a criminal conspiracy with somebody else, you should treat them by the same rules that you would want them to treat you just the same way that like as a law, generally

law-abiding citizen, I expect that sort of respect. It's like you enter into a different code once you break the rule in which you're not going to hand over information to the people whose job it is to catch you. You know, it's so funny. I even got a conviction. You're so right because the way you explained it was good because it was like more technical. Mine is if you fucking do a crime with me and you're telling me you're a fucking snitch crime. You did it the right. Total criminal conspiracy. I mean, legally. Because sometimes people try to make this argument of like, oh, well, this guy snitched or this guy routed out his friends or whatever but he's not a gangster or he's not a

he's not a real criminal he shouldn't have been in this position in the first place it's like okay whatever like he's not a he's not a gangster fine but if you tell on your friends it's like you don't need to like buy into the code of gangsterism to think that telling on your friends when you get caught doing some shit that you willingly people at home know that I'm probably referencing the six nine situation right here but oh yeah yeah he ordered a murder and then told on the guy who did the shooting who didn't even come close to him in the target but you know he told on the guy who did the shooting of the murder that you ordered like you put him in that position so i don't need to be a fucking blood or a crypt to say that that's not something i respect absolutely you know and i often talk about that whether it's a mob life or not and who knows who everybody i don't trust them fuck it i have a shirt it says three can keep a secret if two are dead when you think about that shirt it's a fucking great shirt. Right. But the, uh, when a person goes that, I think it's in their heart. When I didn't rat and I protected my brother. My brother was the John Rodriguez. They said,

I said there was a John Rodriguez. Well, they went and looked for John Rodriguez. Six years later, I get a conviction from the feds. I go to trial for filing a false statement. The same crime that Bill Clinton fucking got, you know, which is 18 USC 1001, which is filing a false statement. with the federal government. So they gave me another 12 months, but they ran a concurrent. I didn't give a fuck and all that's a whole story. And I look at that and I say,

now, if it's because I live the right life now or whatever that I'm not telling or, you know. Listen, you know, Sammy Gravano wanted to come on my show, you know, and all that. And I know, I know Michael very well. I know what Michael did, you know, Francis and those guys. And it's just something I can't do it, Sammy. And I'll tell you why.

It's not that, listen, what he did with Goddy and how people justified it always. I don't give a fuck anymore. But you put a lot of people away, didn't belong to be put away, you know, just because they were there and you knew it and it was. And I don't know, you're all in that game. I can't do it. And then think it's okay. That's, listen, again, those days of where I was a fucking nut are over.

Right. But the days of me not feeling like, why to fuck, you know, why do I have to be around these people or this person? do you want to be around a person you know you can't trust his word right no i don't give a fuck life's too sure if i know i can't trust your word know it you've fucked somebody you know you do it just to do it and then you want to do business with me whatever how can you trust it right and if you do trust it you get burned i think it's shame on you i'll often tell people that right you know so here's what i'm wondering is what led up to you actually getting caught because

you have been robbing these jewelry stores, specifically jewelry stores, or were you ever dip in and dabble in and rob another businesses? No, we robbed other things as a crew as about, but no, my big big thing was jewelry stores. Right. And people ask, why jewelry stores? There's the money there.

That's all the shit. You know, if you remember, about three, four years ago in France, they robbed $134 million in a briefcase. Guy walks in, puts two guards, the Korez called in France, puts two guys' guards down, puts the guy down, takes the briefcase walks out gets in a car and goes 134 million still never caught

wow you can't rob 134 million in cash anywhere without having fucking trucks and all this shit exactly even if you take the 30% I got on the dollar right 40 million where you're going to carry 40 million how are you going to carry 40 million you only get 30% of your own robberies because you're part of this mafia yeah well it depends that's you know you have to sell the diamonds so you rob a million dollars in diamonds that's not the million dollars is a wholesale and then there's a criminal fee and whatever you want to call it so so okay just from the what the fuck they call it the fence how much if you had a million dollars worth of diamonds how much were they going to give you they're back 300 350 okay and then you're kicking back a

percentage of it to who yeah your boss in the mob how the fuck are they possibly expect you to be honest about that well you know you you will and i'll tell you why i used to be i didn't give up a big you give up a set percent is not what it is. They don't question that's it. Roughly 10% or whatever it is. The reason you don't fuck around, listen, I'm associated with the Gambino's.

That's who I was associated with because they need it to be. Because if not, everybody who knew I was robin is going to take me hostage and they're going to get your money. Trust me. When I did what I did, I tortured people. I did bad things. I'm going to get your money.

All they got tough guys, I don't give a fuck what he does to me. I'm never going to say something. Trust me, you'll say whatever the fuck it needs when the fucking hot iron's on you or whatever the fuck is. So true. And it's the truth. And I look back and I've never seen anybody stay out. I mean, they can't. Right.

But, you know, so when I look at him like, fuck, you got me go. Yeah, where were we? Talking about Robin stores, right? Oh, no, we're looking at. I love it. This is great. I was smoking. Oh, to kick back to the boss. Oh, yeah. So the reason I would,

I wouldn't do that, Adam. Sorry about that. No, it's fine. Yeah, we got these. Yeah, do more. Yeah, here with you. Do weed. It's 35 minutes in.

That's plenty of time, right? Oh, perfect. That's plenty of level-headed talk. No, because, well, anyway, I want to just look about that. So you take that and you, you know, I also got your present here. See that. Yeah, you're good. I can't tell if it's chocolate or cigars.

Oh, these are. I'm hoping it's cigars. The best. Oh. Scard a year. And I'll tell you about that. that in a minute. I just signed my own cigar deal. I have my own cigar

coming out. Right. It's fucking nobody does that. I'll leave of the third largest company in the world partnered with me. It's called the Crooked Diamond. Wow. It's fucking blends, all this coming out at the end of summer. I got some fucking amazing. So they said here, they give me,

I rep them. Come on, fuck. I said, I'm going to give you the best. These are a cigar of the fucking year. So I'll give you a box. Let's go on. Let's do it, man. I've never really been introduced to the cigar. I hear you don't inhale it. No. You know, I was on with dope a yolo.

Yeah, yeah, I heard. Fucking funny. He's a good guy, yeah. A really nice guy. He didn't smoke a show. He goes, holy shit. This is fucking good. And I said, don't inhale it, man. You inhale this. You're fucked. Yeah? Well, I mean, fuck. And you could get sick. I've seen guys get sick.

But so what you do? You just hold it in your mouth? Well, you, you flavor it. You'll see what I mean. when you smoke a cigar it's got the best feeling in the world man. And especially the reason I got my blend, and I've been smoking cigars for 40 years, was the fucking

these scars, look at these cigars, man. You're going to love this cigar. You're going to be a cigar smoker. Oh, Lord. Oh, it looked great. I'm going to split it open and put some weed in it. Everyone, they want to do that. I said, please do that, but don't do it with this cigar.

Okay, it's a fucking good cigar, man I have a torch lighter too I see all these fucking billionaires And shit doing this and I never really understood it I'll tell you why It's the most relaxing shit you ever do it's relaxing man I could do and I do like I love weed too I love that's there yeah You need a torch you can't bick this? Oh, you better off with a torch we can make it but here Be easier

Well I'm scared inhale it don't inhale just just you get it and what do I do like I just sucking into my mouth pause like you pull in yeah don't swallow don't roll don't don't inhale just pull in your blow out take your time with it let it that's right sort of just like it smells like going to Vegas it smells like a casino it tastes like a casino that's what it's a cigar it's a scar to you that's why and these are yours you give me a guest do whatever you want and you smoke them you want one yeah absolutely big man he ain't ever met nicotine he didn't like punch it you might want to take it from me because I don't know how much of a

future I got with this on this podcast specifically how about that you're good with that oh Josh left he probably wants to yeah I just smoke this uh but wow yeah that's that's fun I'm gonna I'm gonna spend more time with it later oh yeah you want to Kiki smoking now Yeah, I smoke mostly Blunts. I'm not really into smoking weed without tobacco. Oh, really? That's pretty cool. I never thought of that. I know. It's a weird thing.

But you could smoke the cigar and the weed back to back. What the fuck were we talking about? We got sidelines so hard to go. No, we got talking about getting the brab. And the reason you... Well, if you want to keep him running. That's a good thumbnail with him to joint, though. The reason...

you didn't fuck with them is because you need them. Right. And you want to be honest. You don't want something to happen. Somehow, some meeting you're dealing. And I was dealing with a different family to get rid of my diamonds. I don't want some meeting to happen. So, yeah, we've been giving Larry, you know,

350, 400 grand every week. And you only been fucking tipping three grand, you know, like it was a 30 grand, you know, totally fucking... So you could fuck around a little bit, but it's got to be close. Yeah. I didn't because it's not worth it. I mean, That's my protection.

But is it not really like that for many guys anymore? Like, is it much more of a free-for-all these days? Well, certain places, and yes. New York, there were areas that couldn't rob. I mean, people were protected. They paid the right people. And if they fucking drowned and they have the underground, you know, I got my diamonds rid of my diamonds through mob.

And that was my fences. Okay. So, and they were gone. I mean, wiped out. Shit was melted down. I mean, really big shit, you know. And how do you, most jewel robbers, most big criminals get busted through their fence. How do you get rid of it?

Tiffany's was robbed 10 years ago, whatever it was. And they get caught fucking selling a diamond in Harlem for crack. Obviously, it was a $30,000 ring. They're fucking doing shit. Then they find it. Then they figured out. The cops figured out where is that coming from. I wish I knew the motherfuckers out.

out of game a million for the load, sold it for two million. But even for big professionals like you, it usually the fence is how people get caught. Yeah, or like mine was great police work. I mean, the FBI caught me. And don't anybody ever tell you the FBI can't do their shit. They got all the money in the world. They got all the resources.

If the FBI wants to fuck with you and get a witness here from an F-16 from New York in fucking California doing it about, they'll get the fucker here. Right. It's the feds. Local police don't have the money or the resources. sources and the person on the crime is not going to give the information next one like to do the FBI is a machine right you know so people and even oh fuck the FBI listen to me trust me the FBI is

fucking good right so so you got to the point where you would just like okay leading up to how when when you describe as your golden years your your run that was really of interest to them oh I was fucking going from 1989 and 96 six and a half years of four fucking whack power limousines homes horses making moat open businesses like you said we always had that business brain even when i was bad obviously you you you turned it in earlier than i did i was 34 years old when i went to prison right and i got out at 46 years old but those years were like 89 to 90 96 fucking crazy broads fucking coke fucking pie this is south and This is South Florida.

Right. In those times. And you heard about the stories about that crazy shit. Right. You're talking about drugs, fucking flying kilos. You get a kilo for 10,000. You know, if you knew somebody, you sell it in New York to 25,000. You didn't really mess with that.

No, no. I had a partner, I mean, with the mob guys. He was drugs. I was boosting, robbing, muscle. That kind of saw arm robberies, trucks. And the key here is, well, the key here, I never ever, even when he said, said to me, la, I know

you got the connections down there because I'm in South Florida and now he's in New York. Come on, give me keys. All the keys you can, 25,000 each. I'm not going to brought him 100 keys and made 15,000 a key like in like two seconds.

Right. You know, and I never did it. And I don't know what it was, why or, you know, it was not my thing. And I saved the drug deal's life from the mob. They want to kill him. But it's It's crazy to say I never did it because I think the laws were so strict that

You know, they were looking for the drug dealers And it was always a conspiracy Here's a difference. You and me rob a fucking store tomorrow Five years later, nobody says anything You can tell the world you robbed that fucking store. Five years? Yeah, it's statute of limitations. That's the statute.

Most crimes are five, a few seven Only of like murder, espionage, kidnapping, there's no statute of limitations. Oh, kidnapping too. Yeah, kidnapping as well. So, but with the drug game, Adam and I are doing, you know, we sell 100 keys, we make some money, we're out of it. But Johnny down the street calls Adam four years later and says, hey, Adam, can you get me any of this shit, you know? No, man, I'm out of that business.

They're recording the call. Now you're extension. Your conspiracy goes another five years. Wow. So they could keep stringing your ass along with a phone call. I had a guy with a life sentence I was with. He fucking was out of the pot business, mega pop.

Now I look at this today. Talk about sad. He's dead. But fucking legal shit and he was in for life. And it was bailes and all this shit. And he'll forget that though. He fucking gets into a drug conspiracy. A guy says, hey, Mike, can I use your sailboat?

Mike's sore going to never forget him. He's dead now. And he says, can you use your sailboat? He says, no, man, you can't use my sailboat. I'm not in that business anymore. they continued the conspiracy when they were watching that guy saying he was still involved

but he just denied that trip and all this shit and they continued five years they busted him you know his last drug deal was eight nine years earlier never fucking talk to him that one phone call I helped him with his legal work

put him in prison for life wow life pot no less back then is that boggle the mind? If it doesn't bother people's mind, I don't know what the fuck

they're thinking about. How much of the time when you're locked up for 12 years or was it 12? Yeah. 11 straight. I mean, I went in.

I had four 12 years sentences. Runk concurrent and I beat a life sentence. How much of that time is spent thinking about how unfair the justice system is? Because you're a person who's kind of extended that fight.

Usually, you know, sometimes you see guys, they get out, they talk a bunch of big talk. A bunch of big talk. about prison reform and shit, then they usually don't really stick with it too much because once you're out of there, it's like, who gives a fuck? When it's your daily reality, it seems like the most important thing in the world because clearly the system ain't right, you know?

Well, you know, I've been in that since I was in there. I used to see young kids, to this day, I've been doing this for 15 years fighting for prison reform, how to fix the fucking system. The system's so broke, it killed three of my friends. I mean, I'm in there and some sad, very sad stories. And, you know, when I got out of prison, I said to myself, I got to fucking continue doing this because I saw young kids come to prison.

I don't care how tough they fucking think they are. They come to prison. It's a different world. Some of them are lucky they get out of life. Someone are lucky they don't get out with hepatitis or HIV or, you know, get fucked more up on drugs. You know, the system is so broke that you take a kid who's 20 years old,

he robs a bank at him. uses a note what does he rob a bank for forget cash because he's a drug addict he fucking blows the cash he gets fucking caught again he gets goes to prison for five years you think okay five years

no big deal he's in prison for the first time he gets what does he do he does drugs there's more drugs in prison you hear this all the time it's so true more drugs in prison on the street now this kid what does he do he does drugs

the prison system they give him a piss test he gets caught. He goes to the hole. He loses his commissary. He loses his phone. He loses his visitations. All connection to the real world is gone. Anybody was connecting with to get a job when he gets out when he's clean in four years.

He's going to get out and all this. None of that now. Now the kid goes to the hole. He comes out. Nothing, period. Hanged with the gangs. He still needs money, still needs drugs. We, and I'm going to say we as a society, we never help that kid with that,

at least try to help that. that kid with a drug addiction. Right. Because if we did, we could have maybe prevented a life sentence kid. We could have prevented this kid because now he technically's got life. Right. He's now either got to maybe stab somebody because they're sitting in their section or he's got to fucking sell his ass or whatever the fuck he's going to do.

He gets out at 25. He's now no scare to jail. So now he's a dangerous man out there maybe a little bit more. Right. And maybe he has, you know, appetite is, you know, whatever. And he's going to do the same thing because you never fucking helped his addiction. help that addiction and I'm all for everything

with control and I believe that in life but and I've got out of control of course look at it with my life my life is no fucking you know father fucking knows best my life is a pretty fucked up life

but it's a life that always said you can do better you can try to get you know even when I robbed I threw parties for fucking a thousand people back in the day I fucking you know you can read about man t-shirts bounce houses card shows trackless trains fucking thousand hot dogs thousand fucking hamburgers 40 40 cases of beer 10 kegs of beer 40 cases of soda clowns

barney does part of you wish that you had just kind of kept that money and just stopped robin earlier no that's what that would be that's what i'm thinking you you you think you would but you wouldn't. Right. You know, everybody thinks they're going to do that. And every gangster, oh, why didn't you put a money away?

John Gotti once said, if I find a bank's with a 401k, I'm to kill him. They don't fucking retire. You know what I mean? It's not what you thought about. Right. Now, I am so lucky, Adam,

because if I had to set up a robbery for kidnapping with dynamite on the girl, fucking eight stern jewelers, South Beach Florida, you probably know it. Fucking the eight stern jewels which is in the Fountain Blue Hotel.

It was an Aster, had $13 million. 12, $13 million. Call my guys in New York, yeah, we're going to get your money right away. Boom, we'll give you $2 million. You're going to have to get out of town, whatever. We were going to put dynamite on the fucking guy at his house, keep his family hostage in the house, go in in the morning, pass the time safes,

whack the whole fucking thing, boom, tell him if you ever move them to blow him up. You step out of the car, you hit a cop car, you honk your horn. I'll fucking step out of the car and just hit the fucking button. Right. So he's, you know, this plan was that close. I was literally hiding in the fucking

bushes of the house. We followed the guy to his house and everything. Thank God, a dog came from a neighbor or some shit inside us and it spooked us. You know, the feeling don't get right. Cancel the whole robbery. We had

Maltoff cocktails set up for distractions. We had the whole fucking thing plant to a tea. How long have you spent planning something like that? That was about, a month right and it was a big payoff 13 million and my end's gonna be four million or so it's got to be a crazy feeling putting in that much fucking work on something when you know that if you're acting rationally you might just have to decide not to do it at some point right if it's too risky that was one of my strengths uh being able to call off a robbery as much as do a robbery

calling off that spending all the money it was all me everything in that way was the best thing ever did because if I did that, there's no statute of limitations. It's kidnapping. I could have been... I would have been... I would have got a question. I was facing... I beat a gun charge.

Right. A 924C. It's a gun charge. It's a felon using a gun, a commissioner of a felon. For the first robbery, you get five years. Every robbery after that, you get 20 years. That's 65 years plus the years.

I'm not living to 100, you know, he is in prison. Right. So, you know, there's no way you can fucking get out. It's crazy that kidnapping is considered that serious of a crime, you know? Just throw somebody in the trunk. It doesn't seem like that big a deal.

I think that was because of Lindberg baby back in the day and all that kind of shit. In the 30s, I guess that happened and the kidnapping and all that bullshit. I think that was like, you know, political if you want to call it that. I mean, if you think that's weird, how do you think pot is a life sentence

back when it was? Because of weight. Does anybody give a fuck about pot? I know. I know I don't. I could care less. That's so strange. But you know,

everything about how like, you really can't just legalize drugs. Because if you legalize drugs, then what are you going to have? You're going to have fucking all these fancy slick marketing campaigns behind like fentanyl and meth and ecstasy pills and shit like that. Like, it's really hard to imagine what,

like, legalized drugs, like actually fully legalized drugs looks like. I'll be all for it. People go, Larry, you, you know, you're a pretty, you know, you're a pretty rational guy. You're a pretty, no, they've done already right now. And I think it's Switzerland or Sweden, one of them have, all drugs illegal. I think they have, like, doctors administrating that kind of stuff, right?

I'm not saying how they do it. Yeah. But to criminalize it. They can't be sound ecstasy like fucking gas station sex pills. You know, I think if we educate people at him, I think we could, it wouldn't matter. You know, think about this. I don't know.

You don't remember this. When I grew up, they had an ad campaign in schools. They had a fucking pan, and they had an egg frying in the fucking pan. This is your brain on drugs. This is your brain on drugs, you know, fucking thing. I'm 38. Okay, you probably remember a little

of that, right? And when you think about that, it was something. Do you know what they got today? Nothing. Not a fucking thing. Not anything to say, at least educate. Fucking educate them to say, hey, listen, this is what drug, this is what marijuana could do. It could be well, could be good.

You're 18 until you developed. It wouldn't be good. Whatever the fuck it is. They don't have any kind of anti-drug laws anymore. No. And I speak in schools. Really? And that's what I do.

I have a program, the reality check program, is the number one program in the country right now. Really? It's used in court systems. It's used in police stations. So what's the program? It's like a series of videos or something? No, it's my four-part. I developed the four-part program.

Oh, no. And the program is what I did, then my life, what you will lose, and then avoiding a dissolving bad association. So develop, I developed it when I got out of prison. After a guy comes to me, kid says to me, hey, he goes, liar, I need a favor. The fuck. You want me to break somebody's legs? Let's leave me the fuck alone.

I'm just out of prison. I'm 46 years old, you know. He says, no, I caught my 16-year-old smoking weed. He told me, fuck you, dad, wherever you ever been. I said, your kid told you that? I'll talk to your kid. He says, thanks. I go to his house.

I get pictures together, which to this day, I don't know how I got him because me with gang members, fucking mafia guys. And you can't do that today. You can't take him like you did back in my day. And I fucking go in. I take the pictures to the kid. He's a big kid, but I can be intimidating. I sit down.

I said, you told your father where the fuck he's been? Let me show you where the fuck I just came from. Spoke to the kid for two hours. the kid was fucking blown away kid doing all the shit kids doing you know what I mean 16 year old kid dad says

gives me a hundred bucks I'm just out of prison I don't have money he goes can I give you a number to other people I said sure gives me the number I get a phone call

about a month and a half later from Gene Banish this lady says Larry I'm Gene Banish with the court Judge Ryman would like to see you I ain't see no fucking judge she goes no judge with Reimant in the court

up in Brevard County would like to see you. I said, you got a warrant because I ain't seeing no judge. You know, I know the law. Right. The fucking lady goes, no, no, the judge heard you help kids.

He wants to talk to you. I fucking put together a PowerPoint. Now I'm out of prison very, very short time. I didn't even know how to work a PowerPoint. My nephew who since died sadly, he helped me put a PowerPoint together.

I put the PowerPoint together. on a Friday. I'd show what I do, talk to kids. Straight deal. The real deal. Don't fuck with them. It's kids spot bullshit a mile away. I'm not going to bullshit people. I'm too old. And I told the judge, the program showed it. She goes, thank you. Would you like

to stay for the meeting? I said, no, what the fuck I want to be in here? I'm out of here. Get out of it right away. We find out years later, I wasn't supposed to be there. They were supposed to have bailiffs there because I'm a felon. And I was on paper. So, I ended up getting a phone call Monday. Monday, Monday, Judge,

the lady Gene Banis goes, Mr. Lawton, I'd like to give you a heads up. The judge just sentenced two people to your program. What fucking program? I just told you what I do.

What fucking program? From there, I developed it into this four-part program that has now been recognized on the floor of the United States Congress. And it's used in police stations all over the country to help kids. It's a video.

give it to them on a card. So I developed, they use it in schools, courts system of a kid, even 25-year-old, 30-year-olds. They get caught. DUI, they send some reality chickporn. They got to watch this video, take a test, fucking show the court that they finish.

It's like a DUI school. They got to pay you? Oh, yeah. How does that feel? Feels fucking great. Yeah? You know, I really developed it and they make money for 10 years more than that

because I was given to him more than I think you know I have a foundation and when I partner with the cigar company the part of the proceeds go to the foundation to help kids you know and and I think that's the only way to run shit because if we don't do something and we got to take care of us uh little you got fucking right uh but then try to do what you can do what kind of shit do you say to a young person who's the aimed at the same to a young person getting into crime getting in trouble it's actually aimed that anybody who's making a bad choice for the first time.

Because when I tell my story about how I robbed and was the biggest jewel robber and everything else in this whole entire fucking thing, that fucking goes, whoa, you know, this fucking shit is real. Right. Then I tell him what's going to happen to you. Jail, prison. Guy get his

ass cut from the top of his anus to his scrotum and femoral flus on it. I was in prison when a guy comes and says, man, He worked in the infirmary because we heard the screaming at the night before and then to get up in the morning. There's crime scene tapes in fucking the prison in the fucking prison land across itself. And the fucking week guy goes, you got to read this, man. He comes back and he sits at the table waiting for child to be called.

And it said, inmates in his name, anus was cut with a sharp object from the top of his anus until escrowed him. And seminal fluid was found. These two guys raped this kid, cut his ass, and you don't, everyone, the first thing will say is, why would you do that? Do you want a tight ass?

No, it's about power. It's about fucking total control. Rape is not about sex. I can't get an erection to rape somebody. Really? I'm not talking me playing with my fucking girl and all that. I'm talking, I couldn't get an erection to rape somebody or anything.

It can't excite me. I'm not that fucking wacko. Uh-huh. You know, I'm talking about a real rapist that's doing it for power. in control and that's what happened to this kid and I tell him you don't think that can happen I show his picture the kid is fucking at that time 22 years old good looking kid in the wrong place happened does it happen every day no you know you know people tell you stories I

can tell the I live there right happens things happen people get stabbed I watch people get fucking killed over five dollars geez or a book of stamps is what five dollars in the joint So it's a place that, you know, people ask me and they always say, oh, it's a bad neighbor. I said, listen, man, I lived in a bad neighborhood. I lived where everybody was a murderer, a fucking hitman, a fucking mafia boss, a fucking drug lord, a fucking arm robber like me, you know, tying people up all over the fucking place. Right. So, you know, it's not a place that you think, oh, good neighborhood. So when they say, oh, there's a bad neighbor, I get it.

You can get killed anywhere. You know that. I mean, fucking kill that. I don't get away you are. Right. But I don't look at it like that anymore. Yeah. Definitely. So how do you explain this?

You said it's aimed at who? Well, you take the program itself. Yeah. You know, so the program, if even you, anybody got a DUI, they have to take this program. They have to take a test. It's all done online. It's all automated. Right.

So when we first came out, I actually had DVDs. You know fucking DVDs. Does anybody use that word anymore? No. No. I don't think a computer comes with a fucking DVD. No, it doesn't. Somebody gave me a DVD.

recently and I realized that I have no way to play a DVD. You'd have to buy extension and all this bullshit would have done. Look the fuck out of you. I'm not going on. No, it's not happening. No, thanks. So I started it with a DVD. They had to take the DVD. They had to watch it. They had to fill out of test and they had to pass it. And they sent it

to the clerk of the court and their case gets done. That's part of their case. So now it's just done automatically. I mean, they buy it. It goes to their email. They get a link. They get a pass code. I'll send it. And what makes you feel like it's effective? Like what signs do you get

that this is making a difference? Great question. We know it's successful. Of course, Eastern Florida State College of Florida did a quantitative analysis on it. And we have the highest success rate of any program in the country. We have a 43% increase in education, 31% increase

in class attendance, 70% increase in attitudes, and 90% of the kids didn't go back to jail or get in trouble again. Wow. That's impressive numbers. And you know, Those numbers were... Congress loved the number.

That's how I was reckoned on all this shit. And they said, well, that's great numbers. You must be proud of yourself. I said, yes, I'm proud of that. But I'm prouder of the number I don't know. How many kids watched my video and fucking then didn't go rob the fucking car? Get in the car with the guy with the fucking, you know,

bags of blues or whatever. Didn't get into the car with the guy with fucking a half ounce of Coke and they all get busted. Didn't get in the car that they went out. How many watched it and didn't? didn't do that. I don't know that number, but I like that number. Because it's, it's kind of crazy when you see somebody you get caught for something stupid, like doing a robbery or, you know, a random murder or whatever it is,

it's like part of you thinks they must have been told, like most people have influences that are telling them that this is not okay, whether it's your parents or your teachers or whatever. It's like they, you know, and I'm somebody who got in all kinds of trouble, and I felt like nobody ever, nobody ever offers. me another way or I didn't know what I was supposed to be doing with my life or whatever. When I look back on it, I'm like,

I mean, you did have a lot of influences in your life telling you what the right thing to do was to go to college, to fucking get a job, go to your job, whatever. So for me, it's like when I hear about something like a course to kind of get people back on the right track, my initial

reaction is to kind of feel skeptical. But when you really think about it, it's like probably a lot of these people haven't had somebody. just telling them straight up how to stay out of trouble or giving them like practical advice about it. Like it's kind of, I don't know.

Like, because even with somebody like you, I mean, I'm sure you had people offering you, you know, trying to get you to take a better direction even early on, even if you kind of ignore it. My neighborhood, I was with gangsters. So, no, you looked up to the gangsters. You were kind of fully inundated, yeah. Oh, okay.

You know, I'm talking mobsters and shit, and I was bookmaking at 12 years old, making $125. I was a week. And this is a fucking kid. You know, in 1972, 73, I'm fucking fucking hustling tickets on the streets. Right. You know, football tickets and fucking making money.

I mean, I don't fucking think about that. And so there's no excuse why, and you're right, 100%. Along the way, there were better people that you should have looked at or whatever. And my parents weren't bad people. Right. My mom's a nurse and my dad was a, well, he was a union. He was a union delegate with the local 20. was a tin knox in new york in your old fucking my parents the most straight-laced normal people you could

have met really yeah and i just fucking you just wanted to be a fuck you have any brothers and sisters she's super normal too so that's like you know that it's just me i got five i had five brothers and sisters i guess i'm the fuck up too i don't know i mean too they haven't been to prison no two are dead from sicknesses and the other one is still around she's 60 so i'm 60 years old now yeah how the fuck you still you're still you're seemed like getting a lot of energy. I always wonder what the fuck my older, elder years are going to be like. And there's certain people I look at where they're in their 70s, the 80s,

and they still seem like they're just out here bouncing around. And I'm like, I don't know. I still feel energetic. I mean, it was at krills and we were at party with the, you know, the porn stars and all fucking shit. And we were with the fucking assholes live forever guy, right? Yeah, yeah. We were all over the fucking place. What are you doing?

You're just doing a photo shoot with all the porn stars and shit? Kind of like that. You're famous like that. No. 420, you know, obviously 420 party. Then yesterday we were dope as you. And the energy I love how out it is because I look at you guys. And I say, if I slow down, I can't keep up, even slow down.

Because my fast pace, and I rejuvenate, obviously, I get tired. But I like to party. I like to live life. And I like to enjoy what we do, whether it's programs, whether it's fucking YouTube, whether it's my podcast, whatever it is, Adam. I love it because it keeps me energized. It keeps me to fucking, what am I to do? Sit down and fucking watch fucking Barney Miller or some shit all my life.

Fuck, no, I still jack off. I like the fuck. I take trimix. I do all the fucking things that I like to have fun. What's trimix? You know, that's the shit injection and a dick that makes your fucking artist. Wow. I know male porn star dudes.

But I've heard him talk about it, but I haven't really. met anybody who's like, yeah, I do it. I knew a porn story, and he told me that's what they do. Yeah. And I go, what do you, you know, when you tell me something? Like, you know, everybody tries that. And not that I can't get it up. Right.

I can get up anytime I want. It sounds like that. Holy fuck. Four hour hard on. Boom. Boom. This fucking break this desk. Wow.

But it's just. You're in a relationship? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. We have a good relationship. We don't live together, been together.

You know, stuff like that. so it's perfect. 13 years, 13 years, four hours. Four fucking hour. Listen to this. This is a true story.

Okay, if that's getting drunk, what's the hangover? Is there anything that happens as a result? No, no. One time I had to take the shot

to fucking deflate it. They have that too? Yeah, they don't fuck around today. And the needle, I feel like, are you scared of needles? Absolutely not.

Are we scared of needles? No, obviously. Shit, we had fucking needles. I tattooed somebody. I was banging down H-bombs, but, you know, got some tattoos, yeah. So you take the thing, the most I had one time was a seven-hour. And you know what they tell you? You have to four hours go to the doctor.

I find out that's bullshit. And I find out that's bullshit because of your eye just said, he didn't say, he said, listen, if it gets too long and it depends how you feel, all that, and your heart, you can get the, the blood can get stuck in the penis. You can get Pironi's disease or whatever, and they cut the dick and all that shit. And it could be bad. So, but he goes, Larry, that would take a long time, like 20 hours, 24 hours. He goes, the reason they tell these people to go to the hospital after four hours

because the doctor's not going to see him for 12 fucking more hours. And it's probably going to be gone. But, you know, and you're already signed in the hospital and they made your fucking money. You know, that's kind of what they said. So it's, but it's a fucking amazing. And I love the energy. Everything gives me. I don't take, like, drugs to do, HGA.

or that shit. Don't say wouldn't. I mean, I'm open to everything. Do you say testosterone? To keep it up my higher level. I shoot a needle, you know. How often? Every two weeks.

Consistently, you don't get off it at any point? No, well, at my levels, see, my levels were very low. And they don't know why they go low and high. Everybody's go as you go. Probably pretty normal for it to dip down by your age, though, right? Yes, absolutely. And you want to keep it high. Yours will start going down at 40.

Right. That's usually the time they'll start looking at your. testosterone and it doesn't have like you might have a testosterone right now is 700 well my testosterone was supposed to be about 300 and it was like 190 so they give it to me and I still fucked I still did all that shit so it wasn't like I couldn't get it up but it was it was it was fucking like energy zapping now you they get me up and I go I'm up at 600 where you are 650 whatever it is I feel great I get the energy I can get up I was up this morning you're 545 doing a podcast.

I always think about the testosterone thing. But then I look at Joe Rogan and I'm like, you look a little too swole from me. Yeah, well, yeah, no, that's steroid. Yeah. There's a difference. Testosterone is steroid. I don't know what he does.

That's the same thing, right? No. No, it's an anabolic steroid. And then there's a testosterone is a level in your body, your body produces. Right. But steroid, there's a synthetic testosterone. Yeah.

And your body doesn't produce it, and it's got anabolic in it that does other things. things too and then you go and there's even people who know and I never did them it's about cycles because when I was in the gym doing crazy shit you knew guys so they have to cycle and they go on and off yeah and that's where you get the rate I don't know about all the rate listen or your balls getting small I don't even fucking know about any of that shit right but I just never did it it was always big and strong enough that I didn't have to do I can't imagine doing it because I'm too scared uh I have a very good routine going with my girl and our porn podcast and everything and I feel like I

can go a bunch of times in a row. And I feel scared that if I did testosterone, then I would get more supercharged in that way for a while. And then I'm kind of scared of like the downward curve. I have to have her or you anytime on my podcast or my videos, I get real good. Because especially what I interview, I've interviewed, you know, strippers, this kind of stuff. So it's like, at my podcast, it's called The Real Deal.

We don't cut. We don't do any. Just fucking do it and pop it and go. Right. I tell people, say it like it is. I don't give a fuck by saying, obviously, that's why I am. I tell people like that, too, don't be an asshole, because you're going to be exposed for a fucking jerk off, racist,

or whatever the fuck you are. Right. And I tell them, fuck it, that's it. That's my deal with them. Do you have the same issue that when I was speaking to Big Herk, he told me? Oh, yeah. A lot of people have been asking me to go, you know, because we're both prison.

We're both kind of same sister. Good guy. Yeah, I heard he's a good. guy. Yeah, yeah. But he told me that one of the weirdest facets of his channel is that he most often goes viral when he's talking about butt rape. I notice that you've also got some a couple million view videos about butt rape. Oh, absolutely. What's with the public fascination about that? Listen, I think the public has a fascination we all do about sex and fucking in the ass or fucking upside down. Nobody has a fascination, a fucking missionary style on a fucking bet.

unless you're fucking been in 1920s and shit or whatever the fucking point it is. And so I think everything, even with prisoners, you know, you talk about masturbation in prison. You talk about, you know, in the shower, what really happens or whatever you're talking about and you find that people get fascinated. And I really think it's because everybody has their inner secrets, inner things in life and they want to fucking explain and they can get it out.

Oh, they're talking about something that's, oh, supposedly. be taboo. Right. You know, fucking anal sex and all the kind of shit like that. I love it. I mean, good for that. I think it's the fucking, listen, this is America. Right. Fucking free. I am the biggest libertarian in the fucking world. Right. Non-political. I hate

them all. Libertarian. Leave me to fuck alone. Right. You know, I'll pay my tax and I understand the little shit we got to do. But leave me to fuck alone. I think there's something about the butt rape thing where like it's like the ultimate unknowable thing that people are fascinated by. Most people never even go to prison.

And then the idea that there's people raping each other is just like this bizarre world that it's kind of like everybody's ultimate fear. That's something like that could happen to them. You know, what people don't understand, it's the rapes aren't, it's more common just people having sex. Yeah.

And it's consensual. It's a whatever, or intimidating, imply. I can go that way. The woman, Cece, that I just introduced you to, told me she was fucking all kinds of chicks while she was locked up. Oh, fucking hey. I mean, I was with them in the halfway house

and they tell you how to make dildos and all that shit with the tappads and they bend them over and tape them up and they get ace bandages for the straps. I asked her how prison was just goes, oh man, I was fucking. I'm like, you were fucking.

I'm like, holy shit. That's not something I hear dudes to say when I asked him about prison. Oh, wow. That is good. That is fucking fun. I fucking did a lie detector test, man. And that was fun.

You ever do one? No. You can't fail them. I mean, you can't cheat them. You can't? No. It takes like a,

A mega expert to cheat it? I failed it every time I took it. I mean, if I didn't want to or told the truth when I want to tell the truth, but it says it and it's right. And would you say about yourself that you're an above average liar? No. I feel like it's got kind of prerequisite of a lot of the stuff that you've done in the job. No, no, no. Like, now I'm so sometimes too truthful.

But back then, would you have said that you were good at lying? Because I don't feel like I'm good. Well, you had to be a good guy to get in in the jewelry store. and tell them your story. Right. And I used to tell them a story of, hey, I'm a contractor in the area, and I'm looking to buy a ring for my wife

about one and a half, two carrots. I got money now. I bought her a half a carrot ring back when I was married 10 years ago. What do you got? And then they're showing me the real shit. They're not showing me the bullshit. They're bringing out the fucking box with the loose stones in it.

And now they're showing you that whole... Yes, it had to be a liar or a con, whatever you're fucking calling. you had to be. But when it came to certain things, see, I have that kind of, I don't give a fuck attitude in life. I've had it more and more and more,

but I got two grandkids. I love them, you know, my son and my daughter and were very close, even though I missed them. My daughter was 15-month-old when I went to prison. My son was seven.

My son works for me now. Right. And he was seven years old when I went to prison. I got out and he was 18. Wow. And my daughter was 13. Was that the hardest part

about being long time. Way hard than any else. I mean, the survival is an instinct, and you get to it. When I was tortured, I was in the hole for 11 straight months, and that,

you know, that was the toughest because I really never thought I'd live. I never thought I'd get out of their life. Yeah. And they fucking don't give a fuck. They broke my ribs,

fucking dragged me out, pissed on my face, fucking, you know, telling me, keep writing lawyer, uh, Senate is law, see what happens.

Keep doing your shit. You spit. And you're strapped naked on a fucking gurney. Fucking you. That's it, man. You ain't moving. You ain't getting it. And you start, you know, then throw you literally back in there.

Fucking, they'll start throwing the clothes through the shoe, you know, the shit, you know, the food shoot that they open on you. And, you know, then the cycle bids, because I was crazy too. I was going nuts. I thought about suicide. I mean, it tells you they wouldn't. That's not true when you think about it. and when I was going crazy, I used to fight them. They'd say cuff up.

If they tell you to cuff up and you don't cuff up or you cover that window in the hole, they get fucking pissed as fuck. Right. So I got to the point where one, fuck you, fuck you, they opened the shoot door,

they sprayed mace in my face. If you ever had mace in your face, you're down, snots coming out of your fucking, you can barely think you're breathing. You think they'd just take you to shower to take her? No. Put you in a fucking,

the four points. Then I get better. I said, okay, fuck these. This is how crazy I was getting. I said, fuck these motherfuckers. I took my mattress. Now, I'm covering the window. There's a, in the door, you know, it's got the window.

You cover that. That pisses them the fuck off. Right. Because they don't know what's going on in there. I put my mattress, you know, a little fucking bullshit, blue shit up against the fucking thing so they can't spray me. And they're cursing me. I'm fuck you, motherfuckers.

Suck my dick. I'm fucking screaming. crazy. No one I'm going to get a beating. I'm crazy, of course. They pushed a fucking broomstick to push the thing out and drop the fucking concussion grenade. Boom. Boom. You fucking go down, man. Yeah, like, how does that work? It does something with your equilibrium. Right. And it fucking you. You just literally like, you just, you just, you see stars. You're fucking, you don't, fuck, where you are, it. It fucks your equilibrium. Then they're forced to rest in, boom boom they just do they call it that because you fucking collapse and give yourself a concussion

off the ground you know that that i never thought about why they call it a concussion grenade but i could see that exactly what's the best strategy you curl up in a ball on the ground yeah i mean i guess i never tried it because i never knew it was coming you don't know it's coming yeah you don't know that's coming then i got shocked but then i started learning at him that the pen was mighty than the sword I started writing and said, fighting lawsuits. I learned the law, got paralegal degree in prison, help people over the place. I got enough credits for me a lawyer, but I can't take it. I'm a felon.

But I fucking, you know, love the law 10 years. Fuck with them. You're going to love this one. I love the porn stuff too. Man, we wish we. You know, you remember pirate books and private books? They used to have magazines back then, like little pirate or private. You got to look at them.

up fucking hardcore what do you want i don't want fucking mary jane fucking sex it was a porn magazine porn magazine pirate or private pirate or private you can look that's they they did a little one like the pet tops forum size you know a little shit and it they were and we used to rent them

you'd get one in smuggled in or you had it from another prison because they stopped that you'd rent it for a dollar night Jesus you'd rent the fucking porno for a dollar night hard times yeah well you guys you got I get out of prison. You want the best?

I'm in my cell at 1 o'clock at night. Normal guy. You got in trouble for masturbating. Jerking off. Are you fucking kidding me? When I went down to the hole and the fucking lieutenant's shaking his head because they know you, they know you crazy.

I go, what am I here for? He goes, yeah, you were jerking off at one in the morning in your cell. I said, so? Gives a fuck what I'm doing in my bed. I'm in the bed for the fucking Borto magazine. I imagine prison. I imagine that's one of the only things I'm going to be allowed to do.

Listen, you did it every day. I'm young at that time. I'm in my 30s. You know what I mean? The fuck I'm doing it every fucking day. Switching hands and gaining a stroke. Right. You know,

and fucking that's what the fuck. Gaining a stroke. You know, you say, I do it so good I can switch hands and gain a stroke. Wow, yeah. No,

there's been a few times in my life where I like broke my hand or some shit in a fight. And then you've got to switch over the left hand in it. Oh. That's a fucking weird period in your life, dude. That's the fucking truth. It is fucking... Oh, are you kidding me, man? Fucking, you know, I've tried it all.

Listen, any kid... When we were kids, you know, you did it five times a day. Five, Jesus. I did. Maybe I'm a little fucking... It's prolific right there. Maybe I am a little fucking, what do you call it? What'd you call that high energy?

Right. Maybe. Maybe I was high energy back then. No, yeah. Have you ever tried Trimix? What was it again? TriMix. the stuff, the injection? Oh, hell no, no.

Have you tried Viagra? No. Never did Viagra. Come on, I'm calling bullshit on that. I never have, no. You never did Viagra? Wow. Is there a reason why? I mean, I know a lot of young people who do it just because it's that extra, extra, extra. I can go a lot of times in a row without having

to do anything, so I just never tried it. Wow. I'm curious about it. But also, so I do this porn podcast with my girl, where we, sometimes we have male porn stars come in and fuck the girls instead of us or whatever kind of depends on the scenario where we we interview the girls and then we have sex with them and sometimes we interview them and you need an actor normal yeah i got you but as a result i see dudes popping viagra and how fucking weird and

how fucking weird and tweaked out they act when they're on the shit like i don't know it just i see dudes just acting like really antsy and weird and like they're just so nervous and pop and fucking dick pills and I'm just like I don't want to fucking have to rely on that. Wow. No, I never, this is the truth. Right now there's never, I can get an erection with a girl. We fuck a lot

and all that. You know, can I go like when I was younger I did, you know, did a lot, but now can I? A couple times, you know, I'm good for. And, but when you do you want a little extra or whatever funny story, I do the shot, I don't tell

her, whatever. And this is you're going to hear this one. So, we go and she goes wow holy shit what happened tonight kind of deal you know yeah and i said well i got to tell you what i did you know she's okay she knows me knows i'm crazy where you get the shot you buy it on you can get it right on line but to her doctor bullshit whatever it is right i end up going to a real urologist then so anyway i did that funny i was leaving her house that night she goes hey when are you going to do that shot again that fucking shot i mean you think about that that in prison and you know i just think about how there's no conjugal visits you know why wouldn't you

do that why wouldn't you try to keep a family together guy you can use it for good behavior you can use it for controlling a person you know you know you're getting laid twice a year i don't give a shit once a year you know whatever to fuck the number you're in there and you know you're not getting laid right you know i mean but i do know guys who got you know with a librarian got guys in the visitor room. We used to cover for each other. You know, to get pussy and stuff like that. The librarian in the prison is fucking the prisoners. Oh, yeah.

That's grimy. That is fucking grimy. These bitches must be stopped. Oh, fuck. Let these people fuck. Let these people fucking prison. Let my people go. But I always

do really tell young people, man. I fucking go crazy. I tell you crazy stories on my don't make bad. choices to go in prison, man. I'm telling you, the best day out here is better than the worst day out here is better than your best day in there. Right. When you got grown men telling you, hey,

you'll go over there, get yourself, lights out. And I can't go go, fuck yourself. Or I can, and then I'm back in the hole for another 30 days. Right. So, what's worse than that? I can't pick it. I know bad families. You know, I've been around.

I don't deal with a lot of families. Is anything where? Yes. maybe being abused and we can go on and on about a lot of shit. But I want to know that how bad can it be or really is it if these guys are fucking going

to prison the way they are? So, okay, here's my question. Is you hear a lot of conversation in L.A. right now about how the progressive prosecutors are too lenient and how there's this crime wave and a lot of the crime wave

is because of the fact that it's kind of easy to get out of prison that everybody's getting released, et cetera, et cetera. And I hear that. And, you know, I hear about these crime statistics. And I'm like, wow, okay, so that's compelling. And I also think about the fact that, you know, prison just seems unbelievably cruel and unfair

in America. And it's like, in my head, I'm always kind of trying to balance these two. It's like, what is the right solution? Because I so rarely end up thinking that prison actually does anything good for the people that I know end up spending time there. But then at the same time, it feels like right now, California specifically, is just kind of dealing with the ramifications of letting people out too leniently. It feels like every week you're reading about some murder that happens by a guy who was out on bail at the time or whatever. How do you think about that?

You know, I've been following a situation here, and obviously I was on a couple of TV shows about this incident, you know, especially when they were rioting and they were just like mobs were going into stores, taking shit out and not getting arrested or whatever. and stuff. They have to have the balance of rehabilitation. Because no matter what these kids are doing, they're to be led by poor parenting, poor, whatever, you can go deeper or whatever the whole fucking issue is, I think they got to get tough again. I think they got to take crime.

I think that, now bail is a money issue that, is it right that one guy who doesn't get bail and one the other because he just had a better lot in life, you know, his dad's, you know, whoever he is. You know, you got to look at that weighing of that, but you shouldn't just be giving people bail. just because you don't have room or you want to be lenient. And I blame the PSI people, the pre-sentencing investigation people who go.

Okay. Because you've got to know. If I'm a PSI person, which is the person that does the investigation, let's say you're going to go for bail, you're out. And I do your research on your whole fucking body. And I look at your case and I look at your mom. And I look at violence as a youth where you're there. You can almost see the fucking handwriting on the wall what's going to happen. He has no one to go back there.

He's going to be drugs. He was doing drugs on the streets. everything. That person's got to come forward and not just put everybody in a lump sum and say, they're all good people because they're not. I mean, and you have to protect the society first. I believe in that. But I also believe you need to rehabilitate these kids. Nobody's trying. They're throwing them into a fucking system that is broke. We have, you know, the best ways to prove a system is we're the most incarcerated country in the free world by actual numbers and, of course, by percentage. Think of that. We've got more people in prison than China.

don't tell me that China cuts their head off. China has a higher suicide rate because they have more disrespect. It disrespects their family and their way of life. And all the other countries that we are higher, we have states that would be the highest in the world in incarceration. But it's crazy our numbers. Numbers don't lie.

I've learned that. You've learned that. I think everybody has learned that. And I think what happens is we are just taking one side and we go, this country is so bad at going one extreme to the other whether it's fucking COVID would get the fuck out of here with these fucking masks in go everybody locked me to fucking down get the fuck out of here let me make my choice

I mean you know telling me what I got the fucking crazy shit that's going on or take oxycontin pills I used to take 180 milligrams a day wow I have a back surgery 11 vertebraes 15 in the neck whole fuck this is after prison or this is After prison. Nobody ever seen me high because it affected my body differently, obviously. I had pain. I had inflammation.

What happens is an athlete might take, get a broken arm, take an oxy, keep taking it after he has no more inflammation. And the drug is searching for inflammation goes to the endorphin and the brain. That's how that oxies work. So if you have a lot of pain and you have inflammation, the drug goes in your system and finds it and dulls it. It doesn't cure it if we know that. but that's how the opioid works. Now, if you have no pain, no inflammation,

that's going to go through your body into your endorphins. Right. Hence addiction. Now, you can't get physically addicted. I was technically physically addicted. Right. But I wean myself all. Boom, boom, boom, bum, bum, bum. Six months or what is the five months off 180 a day.

Right. Now, what does the medical industry do? They go from giving oxy cottons out like candy to not letting a dude who really needs them fucking. can get him because he's fucking, you know, the law, this, you know, it's addiction. How do they know what that poor dude's going through? It works. It saved my life for a lot of years.

And so I'm not a proponent of people taking drugs. I'm not a proponent. But don't come off and tell me everything is bad. It was invented for the right reason. Did they over-prescribe it? Sure, but get to the doctors who did that. Don't fucking blame the patients. Right.

You come out with all these laws. A patient can't get X amount of oxy-con. Of course, that's his... Well, the fucking guy is fucked up. Kidney stones, kidney disease, a back they can't quit. Let them the fucking get high. Right. Or not high.

You get the pain as much as you can. Right. You know? And I think they're coming to the hoppy medium, but this country does that on extremes on both sides. That was the only drug you've been really addicted to? I was never addicted to any drug. Even that fit, the psychological addiction, I never, nobody ever even seen me high on the drug. Right.

I never, I had that, I have a great saying with all this. you control it, don't let it control you. I don't give a fuck what you place the it with. You can place the it with weed, coke, heroin. You control it, heroin. Don't let heroin control you not to say to do heroin, please don't go out there and anybody think I'm saying any problem in any drug. I'm a believer in choice making.

You make your own fucking choice. You're old enough. You're 38 years old. What should I give a fuck what you do at your home in your house? Right. I don't give a fuck what it is. as long as you're not hurt me a kid or something doing something like that. Other than that, I don't give a fuck with you.

You want to hang upside down on the fucking thing by your balls upside? Who gives a fuck? Definitely. This is a question I want to ask you. When you were in prison, you were recruited by like white supremacists or do they leave you alone? No, I was already hooked with the mob. Oh, so that's like a different category of white guys in that? Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. When I went to prison, I first suitcase the note. You know, you're a suitcase in hiding something in your rectum. You know, you take a... I've hit a knife in my ass, you know, because you had to protect yourself. What do you do? You put it in a sheath of some sort?

Yeah, you put it in like the toothbrush holder. Okay. You know, a toothbrush holder? Then you'd masking tape it and you insert it. And then you get to the yard and you have a wooden handle along the yard. And the reason you didn't leave the knife there and only the wooden handle

because the guards were smart. Right. And they would run metal detectors around the yard. And if you had a shank out there, they'd find it along the walkway. But if it's a piece of wood, it doesn't go off and they're just walking down the path. Right.

So you get out there, you squat, you take it out, you put it in yourself, save my life. I mean, I stabbed two people, been stabbed twice, and I mean, shot. But stabbing's were in prison, both doing them and getting them. And if I did not have a shank one time, done just like I said, I'd have been dead. Because by the time the fight broke out and knives and going, the guards are down and the towers with the, you know, guns shooting down. And they shoot and they are trying. Is it non-lethal bullets? No, no, no, no.

They shoot the fucking kill. Fuck you. Just for fighting. Well, they can. How does that even make sense? They get people. Once there's knives involved or any kind of weapon involved is when the guards come out the tower.

It's weird because can you expect them to have a good enough shot to kill the person? They're all sharp shooters. Who knows? Oh, okay. I mean, who gives a fuck? It just feels too dangerous. I mean, think about it. I mean, but they're there to protect guards.

Overreaction. You know, you have a guard. on a yard yeah and he's you know he's walking around a two three four guard you think they can control that yard fuck no not even close there's more shit going on that yard at that moment than that that card can fucking you know we did acid in prison we did all these jugs in there there's so much shit going on in there that they can't but but the guard if a guard is attacked or started surrounded let's say even people surrounded a guard the towers opening up the announce and it comes down, get on your stomach, you know,

and you better be flat on your fucking stomach. That's wild. How about this question? If you were able to institute a reasonable amount of changes in the prison system, you know, like a small platform of different ideas that actually seem plausible, but might be able to be introduced, where does your brain go in terms of, like, the best changes that you would want to make? The first thing we should do in prisons is stop private prisons.

Private prisons are the biggest fucking scam in this country. They fucking making hundreds of millions on a person's back. Do you think they want to rehabilitate that person? Do you think they want, even the guards in those places don't have enough guards per inmate balances because of they want to cut budgets and they want to make profits? It's a company. It's a profit company. How do you put a profit pumping on people's heads?

And what does that do? They're not regulated by the government or something? They can be regulated. It's all such bullshit. They have what they call the ACA, accreditation committees. They don't even fucking give a fuck or go. Again, it's a big moneymaker thing. Do you know what most wardens in the prison system do?

The guy who abused me is a scumbag named Lamana. That fucker then went to the private prison industry after retired. Right. Now he's fucking running some district or whatever the fuck, a big wiggy is. in this system because he's got the connections, you know, how to do things and all, to make it all bullshit. And it's when, when anybody to me tries to defend private prisons. Right. I just go to the one thing, humanity. You know, if we're locking you up, we should be responsible for the bunch of locking you. Not locking you up and saying, now this company, you're making money over here,

you're giving us a better deal. Fucking go to that guy. But couldn't, couldn't privately own prisons makes sense in theory if they were regulated properly because you would think like, you know, the government has private companies do a lot of things for them because they're able to essentially do it more effectively and the government realistically probably shouldn't be taking on all these responsibilities. Like private prisons, if they were run correctly, could be fine, right? How do you run a correct prison when there's a profit on your head? What happens if they start doing such a good job the fucking money comes out?

Do you think the CEOs or the all? the board of directors is going to want you to keep doing it. They have so many things I found out since I've been out. Really? Like they give bonuses to wardens who save money. What the fuck is that? So what is the board? Even the guards on my channel,

I have a guard that used to fucking guard me. Like how do you ask a private corporation to go against their own interests? Because anything that's good for the prisoner is bad for them. Everything that costs money, a program, a fucking pre-release, better medical, health, anything in that prison is saying, more money, more money. Fuck you, I got this at this.

It's like asking McDonald's or the factory farm to care about how the chickens feel. Right, yeah, exactly. It's directly against their interests. Come on, don't bullshit. And they'll come off like this. Yeah, don't donate money to this shit, that's for sure. But it's just a smart percentage of what they're going to make.

Private prisons is the number one thing. The next best thing they can do. in the whole prison system is get a team like a me you have other guys who've been in prison on your show I see some shows you get these guys that

truly care a guard a retired guard maybe a retired administrator a retired nurse or we're not retired a couple guards and we have authority to go into that prison anytime we want

and inspect it because if I told Adam to go into prison and inspect him. You wouldn't know where to go, what to look for. You wouldn't know in the hole at the back corner cell they go after they put under construction or under paint during inspections. They got a psychopath inmate that's taking feces out of his ass and fucking writing demonic shit on the wall and he doesn't belong there.

And there's an inspection. So now if I do the inspection, whatever time I can protect. I really thought this out. You could then fix the problems I find. whatever they are the true problems and they have them and the guards being an asshole this guy this guy this guy listen there's so many ways to fix how to rehabilitate and do better better for for pre-release people should come to prison and if they have a date let's say you got five years right

you should start your pre-release the minute you walk in the fucking door not wait till four and a half years and say oh sign this you just went to pre-release well a lot of people just don't even know about they don't even give a fuck no the prison don't care they just want numbers just like GEDs. Prison says, oh, we'd like everybody get a DGED. They know people can't.

So if you got a guy who's slow and he's taking all the time to try it again, he's real slow, you think they're going to keep helping that fuck they don't give a fuck.

Get the guy who's smart and can pass the test so we can show the politicians. Look, we got GEDs. We had 55 guys at this prison graduate GED

when they leave in the people who really need it behind. Because they don't give a fuck. And it's just about, and until we get the system where it's not based on bonuses for wardens. When I found this, I found this out from the union president of the Federal Bureau of prisons, of the prison I was in. This guy calls me up, right? I get a fucking email there, my Instagram, my son does.

He says, hey, pop, he goes, some fucking guy, girl says her dad was your guard, but made you a prison pasta. What the fuck? His name's Gary Massey. I know Gary Good guard It was in Jessup Straight up Motherfucker

He would tell you the right thing He ends up going to prison himself But he's the union Head of the prison What they get him for Smuggling in Cigarettes and Cretine Oh Lord

And he did it because his mom was sick And he had no money Why creatine? Well because that's the inmate What the inmates wanted They were guys that wanted steroids I'm all the outside I don't even take creatine

No shit I mean Are you kids I didn't even think it was that big a deal. Nah, well, in prison back in those days it was. Steroids, sure. Oh, of course, but those, you know, money. But, I mean, even protein powder is big in there to try to get.

Really? Because nobody, you know, they don't give it to you. Creatine's that extra. I mean, we got so much if we wanted it. It's a whole different animal. As far as the creatine with fucking him getting in. But he was the head of the union. And I met him and interviewed him multiple times for this channel, my channel.

Great fucking guy. We talked about how we both believe. fucking Epson was murdered. And he's a BOP guard. Really? He was there. We talk about that. But he fucking comes on.

He goes, he told his daughter, he goes, that's Larry Lord. That's the guy who showed me how to make prison pasta. What is prison pasta? Prison pasta is the way we make prison in prison. You take two drain covers. You know what a stinger is.

So you get the strain covers. You make the stinger, you drop the stinger in the water, and I can boil the water quicker and you can boil it on a stove. And then we make what we do. We steal pasta we have from the thing. I used to cook for sometimes 10 to 12 guys on a Friday. Wow.

And we'd make pasta, and we'd have fucking, you take pepperoni in packages. You lay them out on the fucking, you know, paper towels that you get, like, you know, the industrial shit they give you. We'd lay them out, lay them out. Another layup. We'd cook pepperoni until it was like fucking bacon. Shit, I'm getting hungry. We just fucking ate.

Yeah, right. And then we fucking did that in a pot. And we steal it all. Steal, cut the garlic, kind of like a movie's out. And I used to cook her. I used to give a bowl to that guard, Gary Massey, because he would check people out for us. Hey, Lawton, he's no good.

You know, meaning he's either snitch, he's a fucking chomo, get away from him, do something, you know. He was that kind of guard. And that's why people often ask me, I don't hate cops. I don't hate guards. I don't do that because people are people. And we need good cops.

You know that. Can't defund the fucking cops. Right. How the fuck are we're going to defund the cops? Yeah. But, I mean, just throwing money out of them doesn't seem like the best idea. Matter of fact, you know, I think I was just talking about this to my guys in the car. We just coming back from an NBC shoot this morning.

And we, on the way we said this, we said, listen, what you just said, I think that was mischaracterized. It should be reallocate the funds the right way. Yeah. You know, more community policing, less fucking jumping. on your throat and you know more more tanks and more shit politically i always thought that was a doomed slogan like that's that's a slogan that i would feel like the right would have cooked up to like try to smear the left a hundred because it's such a it's just and especially with california experiencing this like upticking crime it's like and not just california but all over the country

it's like what do you say in the face of that you know there's nothing i mean there's no winning whoever came up with that marketing campaign was great defund the police really seems like a losing proposition when crime is bad because people are scared and i always said i thought defunded should have been reallocating and i think they would have been done they had them cities try to fucking take it all away and that fucking crazy shit in minnesota but you know i think crime also was in the uptick and because of a pandemic i think people are out people not giving a fuck they see how this this crazy world is going a little bit and i do think young people didn't have hope there weren't school for so long i don't know how cal i did california was real bad right so i lived in florida they

didn't give a fuck about the fuck i don't think we missed a week yeah you know except for like traveling and i travel a lot i hated there coming here on this trip was the 19th and they lifted it the fucking that night the 18th like it or not the santis looks pretty good uh given the covid thing just given the results of how it panned out you know he looking great he actually did a great job. I mean, like him, I don't get into that part of it. He did a great job. He fucking, he kept

businesses open as much as he can. He did the, you know, listen, you think Florida had more deaths with all the old fuckers there. You know, we were an old, old base state. You know, a lot of retirees, a lot of this ship, and he got them all fucking vaccinated immediately. Right. So he wasn't

anti-vaccination or anything. He's a choice guy. Right. I got mad at him when he wanted the cruise lines to fucking not require passing or whatever, or whatever, you know, a past test. That's a private business, man, DeSantis. If the cruise line wants to do that so they can get

people back on their ship, what do you fucking you step in? So this is something I want to get to in this interview. So what year did you get out? 2007, August 24. And so then what is the journey from there to you starting a YouTube channel

and how do you realize that that's the future for you? You know, well, when I first got out, I started the reality check program. So my company's been around for a while. And I developed that program, and now it's used everywhere and stuff of that nature. So that wasn't my first delve into it. And then I was a TV analyst for most networks, CBS, NBC, whenever Casey Anthony. About prison stuff?

About anything raised to prison, I'm called. I'm still called and used a lot about that stuff. Right. And then what happened, I'm working my program with police agencies, with, you know, schools or whatever, speaking. And the incident happened. with Vanity Fair. Right. Fucking me.

And boy, did they fuck up. I mean, they actually, I got the head of Connest Travels email. I'm talking the head of fucking CEO of Connest Travels. I was the parent company of Vanity Fair. And they wrote me back so quick and I got a check in three days for the $491 liquor bill. I remember the number. And but they get, and they apologize and said, heads rolled. He goes, and we hope we can do business here in the future because they're watching me go crazy.

the video I did for them, 11 million. I haven't looked at a while, but it was at 11 million or something like that. You started doing like your style of those videos, right? Kind of my style with a bit different take. My take was I took this book and I'm the only one who did it. It's a great book. I was with Peter Goelmbach, eight-time New York time bestselling author. The book is crazy.

And I took the book at him and I totally narrated the whole book online. and it blew up to this day it's one of the most playlists on YouTube and the numbers just keep going I mean because the people want the book they want to hear it you know what I mean and in my way and I

and it's only a very it's a 20 minute ones of that chapter whether it was I robbed the 800,000 I fucking fuck Mrs. Armolino the opening chapter or whatever you know when I first started

though Adam was funny because I started I said I'm to read this game and I read it what a fucking boring show my son tells you this fucking sucks and you're boring just reading you gotta know what you do with that shit do it like to make an audible book and all that

so I said no I narrated every chapter and from there it just fucking rocking and rocking and rocking and stuff and now we of course were smarter we took other things we went off on to we went to a podcast that's doing great

we just started at It's going to fucking great. It's called The Real Deal with Larry Lawton. Like I said, we would give a fuck that camera fell down. It is what it is, you know, and people like that part of it. Right. You know, and then so the YouTube itself, we're actually having a YouTube clip channel coming. We're opening one of them.

Our merch is going great. You know, we're growing that every day. And I just did this cigar deal that was, I mean, mega. I own it. You don't see many people even get this kind of a deal. I mean, I'm with the third largest cigar company. world. And we're going to be all over the world. I have some great artwork I'll send you. It's just fucking the boxes, crooked diamond and you know, it gets your story in there. Like these kind

of boxes, these good cigars, they come with this packet in here. Ours will have a packet with my story on it. So how many people do that? And when you think, these are good, you love these, man. I mean, your guests will. No, I'm going to keep, I'm going to chief. Yeah. I'm going for Yeah, but that's where we're going now. And, you know, the best part of this whole job, Adam, and you know it because I know how hard, people don't understand I do, is I get to work with my son. I get to work with friends who've taught me the industry and people in the industry. And that's what makes, that's even more of a motivation to come. And I can't sit through.

I mean, it's not on nature, you know, whether it's fucking everything's from sex to drugs to rock and roll. Right. So. 100%. What are the things that you've learned about? about content like what have you learned in terms of what works what your audience wants to see what kind of titles and thumbnails allow you to get people to actually fucking click what it would have you learned you know that's great questions you know the you know what i found with my audience is uh i i branched off and tried everything you know we i do now reviews tv show room movie rules ask me anything's different kind of variations of videos uh and and every one of them it depends on but what i always know is is when it's a prison, usually some story of mine in prison or one of my robberies, they go good. What I've also found out is obviously in YouTube, in their algorithms and what they like,

and you know how all that bullshit works, and we can get into that, is that the more people that do it, and the more conversation you have with them, interaction, YouTube put you higher on their algorithms, and then they push you more and more. So, I mean, I always actually answer comments for almost every video I do. Nice. And I like it. It keeps me engaged. It keeps me feeling what people want.

And, you know, I still get so many emails saying, Larry, how you help me. I was a drug addict. And now, man, listen to you, I got off. Even though I talk about it, having fun about it. I'm legal. Because I'm not bullshit. And I tell it like it is. I don't want a guy who be addicted at home.

I want a guy. And those emails are fucking powerful. or they, you know, you really realize you're doing something good. Right. Instead of just, ah, you know, fucking, uh, making money. Okay. Yeah, and I love it. I love making money.

Come on. We all got to like make money. I want to help people. I want to grow. Get a very message out there. And at the end of the day, at my age, 60, you're 38. You're a whole different animal. Boy, I'm loving what you're doing.

I love where all you are all over the place. And I think I'm so impressed with that. as a businessman as an older guy and knowing how much work and now you got you know sights with the girls and this fucking a keep knocking that but i've learned that this is a legacy now like when this cigar is done and it's about a brand it's about a lifestyle you know you're heck back you can sit back a bunch of guys having a scotch and a cigar around the day it's going to outlive me you know i'm dead our content's going to always be here but we can't keep making new content right but the I keep selling and selling for 50 years all over the world.

That's blowing me away. And I'm a cigar smoker at him. Yeah. I've been smoking cigars for 40 years. Right. You know, since I was 20 years old. Right. So now I'm like, fuck.

I mean, the biggest thing is, and they're great guys I'm with. Because I ain't working with anybody. I don't want to work. I tell people, fuck if he's in a, I don't give a shit. Like you, I guarantee you don't want to work with anybody as an asshole. No, I can't do it. It's not waste your time. Yeah.

Right. Like, I almost said this before when we were talking. about the liar part but it's like I feel like I've become a bad liar because I so infrequently have to bullshit anyone at this point in my life like I just don't really like everybody works for me I kind of can just be straight up with them about nearly everything you know people come up to people send me an email with a business proposition I want nothing to do with the time of the fuck off you know it's just 100% I don't really got to like bullshit too much whereas when I think about like when you're when you got a job.

I mean, you're just bullshit nonstop. It's part of the gig. It's a funny story. You say that because, man, you are so right. I like the feeling I can do the same thing. Especially at this stage and everything. All right, fuck, no. You know, no.

And if they're not, I'm never an asshole of the people. That's just not my style. I mean, I got to that too. But, you know, what you talk about lying, a friend of mine who works for, let's just put it, the alphabet organization. And he told me about lie detectors is when they do it for their agents and people.

They ask them a question. You know what the answer is? Do you ever lie? And if they say no, then they're pretty much to swallow up. I'm going to ask you, did you ever tell your kids that you, you know, there was a Santa Claus? Yeah, right? You're lying them, right? Yeah.

So the best way he told me is you answer it with that so they can't do it. Right. This is the guy telling me how to beat, not beat them, but he's in the business of what they want to really know. Right. They know the important stuff. They're deep enough. They're just verifying something that they had. That's what they do.

That's just as simple as what they do. Right. So, I mean, I think now not having to lie, having the cigar brand, having my son running. And growing. We're growing like in fucking weeds. And it's fun. The minute it's not fun, you know, fuck it. 100%.

And you got 38, 55 of, 25. I don't know how many years. You started young and the thing. I did look. You were like early, but you really changed and you knew how to change directions, which was amazing. It has been a journey.

And you learn every day. I just looked at my notes for you and I just realized I have two questions that I'm going to really regret if I don't ask these two questions. So number one, does the criminal in you respect these sort of like new school? Well, I don't know if they're new school, but these sort of smash and grab robberies that you see people doing at jewelry stores and shit like that where it's very coordinated they'll just run up boom smash the glass grab a fuckload of shit

jump in the car and they're out it's not it's not sleek or well planned out like the stuff that you were doing but does the part of you respect that the ones i respect is the pink panther gang that's out of england that do those coordinated with cars through a mall fucking shit they're all over the tv out there they're really an organized gang with jewel robberies. One of the best in the world. I don't look that up. Yeah, look that up. It's called the Pink Panther Gang.

But now the guys who do smashing grabs, no, because they're missing out on so much. Now, it's not, does it take, again, I think maybe I appreciated the criminal planning and the setup and the fucking, you know, case of the whole place. And, you know, that got, you got me excited. It's own crazy fucking way. Right. How do you say that's fucking, you know, that makes you excited? But when I see a smash and grab, I go, you can stop those.

They're making better and better fucking smash-proof glass. Right. Now there's smash and grab, meaning grab and grab. You know, the guy shows you a wall, actually grabs the rocks and runs. Right. They now have doors that can lock automatically. They have a lot of different things to protect that. It was so much harder to protect against somebody like me.

But do you really want to be locked in the jewelry store with a guy with a guy? I loved it. No, but I mean, if they hit the button And then all of a sudden the guy who just pull the gun out on you Is locked in here with you The smashy grabs don't pull guns Oh yeah, yeah, that's true That's why they do them

Because it's a less crime I mean, the way I did it, it's a whole different animal You know, coming in guns blazing So it's a whole different animal Than just going and scrabbing and grabbing something and running Obviously the more money it is It's a different level crime We know that and all that part of it

But as far as fucking respecting them. I respect it. When I hear crimes that just went off or Chris shit, that's good. Good jewelry robbery. And I know, I hear about, first of all, I know they're looking at me. I guarantee the fucking feds have looked at me if it's somewhere it was Larry.

Right. You know, it was an elaborate shit like that. And then I kind of like, wow, okay, good. And everyone that's happened, I go on TV, like Kim Kardashian getting robbed. I'm on TV for those. Right. And I did.

And I usually call how they did it on the TV. I called so forth two of them, right? How Kim Kardashian was set up and I did it. And I called it to the T. The day on one is CNN or MSNBC. One of the shows, like, I'm on, you know, whatever it is. I fucking totally fucking called that one. And I called another robbery where they went through a wall,

literally a wall. You see a lot of this crazy shit in England, too. Right. You know, like mass set up robberies, 100 million. and guys in Germany fucking robbed the fucking thing for a billion dollars

worth of artwork. Right. Crazy. Yeah. But you got to respect it, man. You got to respect it. Look at me. I can smoke weed

and respect that whole night. I mean, there's a reason why true crime is so popular. There's a reason why stories about gangs and stories about crime and stories about people pulling off ambitious shit

is like the massively thriving genre on YouTube. I think it's because people want to fantasize they could have did it right you know oh fuck i wonder if i got that what would i do not only with the money could have i did it that i would have the ball you know i did it for so many years and i mean planning shit down to fucking the getaway and you know the last getaway i did when the bullet comes through the windshield like duck it clues my head it goes in my brother that fucking shit if we didn't have that timed out perfectly perfectly we would have never got away with

that thing right there right because we got i mean literally to the time to the toll booth where the guy says we heard them on the fucking god damn a bullet hole and I travel behind an 18 wheeler up to the toll booth go past the toll booth so I can give the money in you know here like this so they don't see it and I heard on that fucking radio in that boot be on the lookout and they gave a kind of description of the car we were in wow but I was gone I was past that and I saw he didn't even fucking pay attention right now I am literally clear and I got to get to Brooklyn and it was in Pennsylvania for Alice Hills but if you didn't have it timed out

to the fucking minute where you're gonna go how you're gonna how fast we're gonna go how right you're gonna you know what turn you're gonna make whatever there's traffic do you go around that that everything yeah and if you didn't if we were a minute later like we might we might have fucking get caught I love to watch a good documentary about somebody like building a business you know Steve Jobs Elon Musk this kind of shit I love it because it's like fast to watch somebody just like build this reality for themselves, create this thing, you know. Watching somebody pull off like a big heist is kind of like the really chaotic short-term version of that, you know, watching somebody try to steal something for $10 million or a million

or whatever. It's like, you know, it's interesting to watch what Elon Musk has built, but it's kind of interesting in a way to see like what people come up with in terms of how to make a bunch of money really quickly. Well, I think that's our fast switch brain. I just want that excitement right there. You know, I love, like, I mean, I love to hear. And I read the stories. I'm a big reader. And I read a big read in prison and Steve Jobs.

All of those stories, how crazy he was. That fucking, that was fucking crazy. But now the heist ones, you know, the first thing I think of, if I hear of a good heist, everybody goes, oh, you must start. How did he, you know, how did he do it? How did he, you know, get away? Where's he going to fence his money? How is it?

My first thing is, how much did it cost to do the robbery? When I see a different robbery and I see what's involved after I hear it, whether it's in the news or wherever, and I read, okay, that costs money and I can tell right away then if it's a professional. Because if it costs money like my robberies did to put people up to get wherever we're at and get what we need, you have to have money. So that's why the FBI ended up figuring out I was a professional. I wasn't a fucking just jerk off.

And so what happens is when I look at a robbery and I hear, they went to treat a helicopter they believe a helicopter went to over it I know what this fucking robbery cost to set up you know whether whatever they're robbing the helicopter or not getting the guy who can do that or whatever so I know these are professionals and it's gonna be harder to catch them because they have to slip up one way you know we all do mine was because of a license plate you know

I try to sell a ring to a lady and she got my license plate in a store I didn't even fucking rob and then when I the FBI floods the air area I didn't know this they're fucking confiscating every camera in a wah-wa store fucking you know all the fucking cameras from you know other jewelry store

yeah always the wah-wa I love that fucking wah-war store I stop them there on the road you know fucking way I trip I have a big RV people always ask me if I used to eat real good Philly cheese steaks and I'm like not so much but I had a lot of fucking

Wawa cheese sticks Wawa oh fucking right I had to scarf those things I'm not proud of it That was what I was doing. Totally. Anytime I went to the Philly area. I fucking love them, too. Left and right.

You know, we used to go from station to station sometimes because we didn't want to stop. When we left Florida, let's say, a robbery, we didn't go. We had to stop at the Wawa. I remember our first Wawa store was in one of the Caroliners or, you know, what the fuck is Wawa? We didn't have Wawa in Florida or New York City. Right. You know, what the fucking Wawa, New York City?

Who the fuck is that? It's funny, though, how it's just having like a cool name makes it really just stand. out to us in our head that we feel the need to talk about it like it's this fucking great part of our life. Your brain is your brain is wired that way. Your brain is wired like you said, a business brain. My brain is kind of wide the same way with a touch more of maybe I'm getting older shit, you know, and I'm not.

I feel young. You can see. I do. I love to have fun. Shoot you dick up. Listen, I will fucking shoot that dick up until the end. That's for sure, man. I'm proud.

Fuck. When this fucking guy can't fuck. can get it up i'm darned whether it's with a stick whether it's a fucking bill tape a popsicle to it you'd be all right i have to watch your channel i'll be on your channel you won't learn much it's amateur shit compared to what we did i mean there's some technology out there you know oh yeah the oculus yeah no my friend was just telling me that he was fucking doing the oculus porn thing oh i did it how was it oh my fucking god you look down and you see a dick you look down and you see a dick you Yeah, you think it's your dick.

You know, like, you know, it's supposed to be your dick. And then a girl come right on it or whatever you want. Whatever you want in there. And come, I mean, it's the Oculus. They hooked me, of course. You know, they're typical. Bam, hey, fuck it. I want to see this shit.

And then you pay for the little longer clip. They'll give you the minute clip, minute and a half clip. And then, you know, you know how it works. And listen, back in the day, we had a gang's own porn places. A lot of them own porn place. Made a ton of fucking money. Yeah. They said that was the biggest business in the world.

It still is. I think about that sometimes. I think sex sells and it's never not going to sell. I don't care how old people are or young people are. Right. And I'm too old for that now. My son will get into that business someday. You're coaching them to become a porn star?

Not a point star, but maybe own the company that's fucking doing the porn star. There you go. Do the production. What do you think of that? I love it. Well, you got it. You do it. That's what you're doing.

Fatherly instruction. For me. We're talking porn business from robin jewelry stores. Yeah. That's kind of a level up. Who you want to thank? Anything you want to shout out in particular? Obviously subscribe to the channel.

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