No Jumper - The Lawsy Interview

Episode Date: February 29, 2024

Lawsy talks about his early days, getting into music at 10 years old, rise to fame, Bhad Bhabie tapping in, and more.   / lawsymf   ----- Get the latest news & videos http://nojumper.com CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://shop.nojumper.com/ NO JUMPER PATREON   / nojumper   CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT   / 4874336901   Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4z4yCTj... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media:   / 4874336901     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumper   JOIN THE DISCORD:   / discord   Follow Adam22:   / adam22     / adam22     / adam22   adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast of the world. I got my man Remo with me. He helped us set up this interview, so I got to give him credit. Yeah, yeah. Today, we're sitting down. I'm hoping that I say it right the first time. Lawsy. Hey, yeah, lawzy.

There we go. Okay. Hey, yeah. How's it going? Doing good. How you been, man? I'm great. Can't complain.

What's the word? Lossie in the building, man. I'd be saying Lossie. It's Lazy, Lazy, Lazy, Lazy, L-Z-Y. Can we talk about... Let's talk about the name and where it came from just to get things going.

It's my name. My name is Lawson, so it's like just a short a version. Yeah, yeah. That makes sense. Okay, for sure. I mean, you've been blowing up. You got a whole thing going on,

but let's like start from the beginning. Tell us a little bit about your upbringing. I mean, it was cool. I mean, I was outside a lot, played football and shit. Did a little bit of boxing when I was younger. It was like sports and shit. And then I got into music when I was like,

10 and then uh i saved up money i was doing like graphic design and for like YouTubers I would do like profile pictures and you know like the banners really I would make those and then like sell them for like five 10 dollars saved up bought like a blue snowball and I was like recording on like audacity and then I got like FL when I was like 12 and that's when that was during COVID that's when she started like going up what were you into musically during this whole era a lot of cheap keef really hey yeah a lot of chief keef like little skies little skies little skies was like hard. So this is when you were like 12?

13, 14. But how old are you now? 28? Yeah, tight shit. Oh, okay. Yeah. Because you like read very young. So I was thinking like,

damn, Chief Keith is like an older rapper. But I guess if you're 28, that's not really the case. Yeah. But, uh, you're from down south, right? Yeah, North Carolina. Yeah.

Okay, yeah. You have a mysterious accent. It's like, it's kind of like hard to pick out exactly what's going on with it, right? That's what a lot of people say. What's the music scene like in, like, North Carolina? Like, who's... It's a lot of, like...

I'm just now, like, starting to tap in with people in shit from North Carolina. There's a lot of, like, trap music, like, just, like, rap shit, for real. There's something, like, R&B I've been seeing. What, so there's a lot of, like, gangster, North Carolina type stuff? There is, but then, on the other hand, there's also, like, people making pop music and shit, too. It's, like, a good mix of everything there.

If you... Is being from... North Carolina is Jay Cole like Drake is for everybody in Canada he's just like not really for real specter that everyone's like kind of thinking about I'm not a lot I don't be hearing I mean it's really like who you're around and stuff but like I'm around a younger crowd I don't be hearing too much about like Jay Cole is I know like the baby from Charlotte I think oh yeah that's a good one too yeah yeah yeah yeah definitely so okay you you saved up and you got a mic and you start making music I'm guessing or you're making beats first did you

say? No, I was making, I started with music and then I started making like beats a little bit too just because I didn't want to like pay for beats to put my shit on all platforms. So I would like make my own. So I can like make beats kind of but like I'm not I'm not super good. Definitely. Yeah. Who are you tapped in with like during all this? Were you like did you have any like friends in the music industry? Yeah. Yeah. My boy Prentice. Hey yeah. He know, he know Rima no Apprentice. Yeah, that's a crazy story of like how me and Lalsy actually like, yeah, tell him so, Bricknow. How do you even know Apprentice? Bro, uh, fuck, my boy, I knew a producer, Riso, and he was friends with Riso, and he would

like join my lives and, like, I would add him in there and we would just, like, flame each other, like, on Instagram. And then, like, we ended up becoming, like, cool and shit, and we would cook up and stuff. And, uh, yeah, that's kind of, that's how we met. How did you imprentice me? Because this ties, this ties into how we all know each other. Yeah, I'm gonna just say, Prentage used to come to my career to buy weed all the time. Yeah, yeah.

And then when he would buy weed for me, you will be on the phone. And this is like before any of the songs kicked off really. So like he was like always tapping like, yo, you got focal lozzy and shit. And then like he will always play You so weird.

Not anymore. Oh, okay. But yeah, that's how Prince used to come up my career all the time kicking in. Like you'll be on speakerphone and like Chop it up. And then that's how I got like hip to your shit.

This was like 2020. Maybe it might have been a little early earlier that maybe 2021. Oh so you've been on the bottom. Okay. Yeah, we've been like kind of talked and shit. Yeah, it's been a minute. Interesting. Yeah, yeah. Definitely. So when did the music start to click? Like when you start to feel like it was moving? When I was around like 14 probably, that's when I dropped partner in crime and that started going like started going pretty good on TikTok and shit. Got like how many videos? It got a decent in my videos. Like, 10,000 and that's when people started tapping in with me and the hotel dropped like a couple months after that and that's what like really like solidified shit right and yeah were you big on tic-tok is that like required for you to be going hard with social media these days to get the ball rolling sadly yeah i wish i could just like just drop music and just like do it for fun and stuff but like you do have to be like super active on like tic-tok and like instagram and like that constantly so i get shit on but yeah it helps when you have like a sound go

with viral on TikTok because it really pushes streams. And partner in crime was the first song that actually like took off for you and shit. How did you find out like the way to market it on TikTok? Because you would like when I've seen you early on you would like take that same song

and make multiple TikToks of it until it blew up. Facts. Not literally I made like 40 TikToks and me just like lipstick and that shit and eventually they just started catching on for real. And it's like you get one video going and you post another one. People from that other video are going to go to the new one, which pushes engagement on that, and it kind of just, like, snowballs.

Yeah, I've heard from artists who, like, get signed, and that's all the label tells them. This is basically you just need to make TikToks all day. And, like, certain artists kind of, like, break under that pressure, because that's just not why they started making music, I think. Real talk. And it's hard to push out, like, quality content that, like, your fans would actually, like, they can tell that you care about, like, when you're having to post every single day. You know what I mean?

You end up just, like, posted. I mean, you're basically making yourself, like, indistinguishable from, like, the lamest little kid TikTok is there at a certain point, you know? For real, yeah. Damn, okay. Oh, no, I got more questions about the partner in crime shit because, like, that's the song that really, like,

kicked it off where I'm like, oh, yeah, this is about to blow up. So, like, where I shoot that video at? That was in Greensboro. I was, like, an hour 30 minutes from where I'm at. I'm from Raleigh. Yeah, that was in North Carolina. But, yeah. Yeah, I just shot, like, a running gun?

Yeah, just downtown, yeah. Yeah, just shot that shit. And who was the other homie in the video? That was my boy, Sosa. Oh, where? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He made music too, shout out, bro. And then so from that song, hotels, probably the next one that started catching on?

Yeah, that was hotel right after that, yeah. And what was, like, the recording process for that one? Bro, it's been a minute. I feel like I probably just got home from school, bro. Smoked the joint and just hopped on FL, bro, made that shit. For real, I was going through, like, my beat email. I saw, like, another beat that was named, like, Hotel, kept going through, and then I found that beat, and that, like, word was just stuck in my head.

I made that. So you record all your... Oh yeah, I record all my shit. Mix and master all of that shit. Yeah. That's pretty dope. Save money on studio time, right? No, so much money, for real.

And I can just record whenever. Like, when I come out here, I just bring all my equipment, bro, I can, like, record in the hotel room if I want. Now that you said that you have this chief influence, I feel like I can tell. Like, that that seems, like, almost obvious to me. Like, I'm surprised I didn't think of that when I first was listening to it. But, like, later state.

Chief Keefe more as opposed to like you know when he was like a young drill rapper just because like he's kind of gone a little bit more off the deep end with the auto tune and like you know it's just kind of the stylistically I can see that influence yeah what would you say was your like like how do you describe your style when you have a conversation with somebody who maybe is not super deep into like your side of the internet and rap and everything like how do you describe it's like R&B it mixed with like modern like underground rap For real. Like, it has, like, the mix and shit of, like, that new underground shit.

But, like, the beats, like, the melodies have, like, a lot of old, like, melodies and, like, core progressions. Mm. You kind of coined your, this new genre. Hey, yeah. Sex and B. Yeah. Which is fire, you know what I'm saying?

So, uh, how did you come up with that name? Like, all right, fuck it, this is sex and B. Bro, so it's so funny. Someone actually commented that on, like, my first EP or, like, my second EP I ever dropped. And someone caught, because it was like, it was that style, but I hadn't really, like, coined the name. for it yet like people were still calling that plug and B but like this was like more like R&B influence so someone just commented like sex and B and I was like that's hard you know yeah

that's definitely hard no we had a Loshana up here actually I met you for like when I moved out to L'A. at Lushan's concert yeah I remember that right yeah Lashon was up here and we was asking him like who does he give credit for like creating or like getting plug and be hot who would you say like kind of got like the plug and B way Brothers, summers for sure, autumn. Like, they were, like, the two, there was a hell of more people and stuff. Little Shine, for real, too. Like, he was one of the first people to be doing it with them.

I feel like those were, there's so many more, but those are, like, the big three for real. Yeah, yeah, he was saying choreography. Like, it's the main, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's a one we got to make sure we're tapping and I have up here soon, too. Oh, God. So, like, what's, what you got working on, like, right now? got any music you feel?

Yeah, I've been making some more, like, trap shit recently, just because I feel like I was making, like, R&B music for, like, a year straight, and I got, like, kind of burnt out. But, yeah, I've been making some more, like, underground, like, trap shit recently. Hell yeah. So I plan on, like, dropping next. So you can get away from the sex and be genre for a little bit? For a little bit.

I still plan on making, like, some melodic shit soon. But, yeah, I think I'm going to get back into R&B music, like, two months. That's crazy. Just switch it up. It's crazy. Because, without saying your age and shit, but, like, the R&B shit is not as relevant as it used to be. But, like, you're kind of, like, tapped in? Tapped in with it.

Facts. So, like, what R&B artists were you, like, listening to or, like, inspired you? But Keith Sweat is, like, one of my favorites, for sure. I love Tyrese, Alicia Keys, have some good shit. Um, fucking Charlie Wilson. Yeah. Can't live without you. That's a, that's a slapper.

But, yeah, those were, like, some of the news. That's crazy. You're saying, like, Keith Sweat and all these people, like, where you're. Aaron's playing these people around you? Like, how did you pick up on? On YouTube, for real. When I was a kid, bro, I would just be like scurling dude, finding new music. Like, I was listening to all kinds of.

Like, I listened to that and then put on a, Taylor Swift song. You know what I'm saying? And then, like, Lil Teca. The Rain is crazy. Yeah, oh, God, just all kinds of shit. The rain is crazy shit. People never believe me that I went, like, my whole life without ever listening to R&B pretty much. And, like, that now, like, getting older, I have more peers who genuinely

listen to it and it's kind of weird for me because I have like no frame of reference in terms of like what is popping R&B wise but I'm trying to get a little bit more educated. Who do you think I should listen to? What's the best shit? What about like modern

artists? Because I feel like it's easy for me to name R&B that I like from the 60s, 70s, 80s. It's more just like modern that I really don't give a fuck about. Yeah, I don't listen to too much like modern R&B for, I was in a lot of like 90s, early 2000.

But there are some art artists. I just can't think of them all the top of my head. When I listen to R&B these days, I feel like they talk about like going to the club and getting a section and like eating pussy and shit. And I'm just like not trying to hear that. I'm just not like I can kind of listen to a rapper talk about that.

But I'm just not trying to hear someone sing about it. I should get a little bit gay. Nah, I feel you. That's honestly, that's a valid statement. Yeah. I remember I was out of concert with like Mandy and Weezy

from horrible decisions, I think it was, and Miguel was playing. And they're just going nuts and they're just looking at me, like, why do you not care? And I'm like,

I just don't. I just don't care. Like one or two big. He didn't he's a Lotus flower ball. He had that one, right? I don't even know. I'm watching him perform like this is the first time I ever heard this dude.

I don't know anything about this. I don't know. So what were you all into, like growing up and shit? Before the music, you had any other hobbies like I said I played a lot of football that was like I was one of my favorite

things. What position like you? Running back. Oh word? Yeah I was just big as a kid so I would just run through my kids. That's fun. I wouldn't expect you to play football that's funny that you said. No yeah. How tall is shit? I'm like but at the hose around I'm like 6-1

I'm like 6'8 statement. If I got my Buenzy, I guess on maybe 6 too. Nah, but you look like you Could have been like a football player If you wanted to Yeah Were you ever good at sports or anything? I was good at football

I'm like okay at basketball Like I'm not the best I like the box But it was just like contact sports You ever had to fight anybody in the street Since you became a rapper I like A few time when I first started school

Bro I was taking like a piss In the urinal bro And I first started school When I was like blowing up And I was in school But my shit It was like recording

While I was like taking a piss Oh my god depressed this motherfucker like wild pissing, bro. I was like, hey, man, wait till my I'm gonna beat the shit out of you. Get your ass. No, oh God.

Oh, that's the worst. You gotta like pinch it. And then like finish the pee later. Just accept that you're gonna get some piss on yourself. How was your, how receptive were your parents?

Like hearing you rap about grown holes and shit? I mean, they didn't really care. They always knew I was making music. They would hear me screaming into my microphone at like two in the morning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. They knew what was going on.

And they weren't concerned about any of the sexual content? I mean, they probably were. I feel like if I was a parent, I would be, but they ain't, they didn't even say anything. They try to say that. You just got to be like, Mom, I'm just making shit up. I can't get a pussy for the bad. I'm going to be a pussy, Mom, get the fuck out of here. But what about, like, the more violent stuff?

Or, like, you'd be saying some, like, drill rapper type of shit from time to time. Like, what do they care of, they think about that? You know, like talking about ops and pulling up on people? them shit like that, is that ever? Yeah. Your parents ever raised an eye to that? Yeah, no. No.

No, I didn't really care. It kind of let you do your thing, right? Yeah. So, like, when you said you were blowing up, like, at school and, like, how were your peers and shit? That shit was wild. Like, towards, I only went for, like, one year, like, went while that shit. I was only, like, popular in school for, like, a year and I switched online. But, uh, it, they, like, cooled out towards the end, like, the end of the school year.

But, like, at the beginning, it was, like, a little weird. Like, I'd be doing a test, and a month would be, like, it would be, like, trying to get a picture me. Like some weird shit. But, yeah. It wasn't,

it wasn't, it's like super crazy. But, like, yeah, it's nice doing, like, online shit now because, like,

I had no time. Like, I would be taking label calls in the bathroom, but my f*** would be, like, you'd be hearing people shit

in the background and stuff, bro. Did you actually sign? I was signed, yeah, yeah. You did sign? Mm-hmm.

And how's that going? Uh, it was good. I just got out of my deal. Oh, yeah, it was like a two-op-op-old deal.

Yeah, Gavin Records, yeah. And what was that experience like from your perspective? It was cool. Yeah, like, I really had no complaints. How much involvement did they try to have with your music? They had a good bit, but, like, they also let me be, like, free with, like, if I didn't agree with some shit, they would never force me to, like, do anything for real. Uh-huh. Do you feel, like, promotion-wise, that you got, like, a good end of that deal, like, that they actually did what they were supposed to do in terms of making more people know about you?

I mean, yeah, they put a lot of money into like a lot of shit. Like if we have like for cover arts and like music videos and shit that I always had like a good budget. So that helps with like marketing. Whose idea was it to go your separate ways? Do you think it was more you or more than that?

It was just the contract which just ended. So like we It was like it was a mutual thing for real. Yeah. Would you sign again? In the future I want to be independent again for a little bit just because like I missed it. Just being able to drop whatever I want.

You know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm. And also, like, just drop on, like, short notice. And I have to, like, submit some shit and wait, like, a minute to get it out. Right. So. Definitely. It's pros and cons.

How hands-on was, like, Gepin and shit? Like, did they help you with features and shit? Like, did the dot-com-Noron relationship come through them or? Did we meet Docom Naran? No. No, no, we didn't. Yeah, yeah. Um, I mean, they were, yeah, it was good.

Yeah. Tight shit. So how you mean to Ron? Like. Um. I think he hit me on Instagram. Like right when a hotel was blowing up and shit. And I had been seeing his work since I was, like, mad young.

I saw shit with, like, trippy red and stuff. So, like, I hit him back. I was like, oh, let's do it. Yeah, that was hard. How was it, like, shooting a video on shit? Like, you just gave him, like, full creative process or... Hell, yeah. No, he came up.

He came up with, like, dim near everything. We shot that shit in Durham. It's, like, right by my city. That was, like, one of his bigger videos. It got, like, three, four million views. I think it is, like, in the top five, like, top ten videos on his channel. Yeah.

Yeah. That definitely, that was a big one for you in terms of just more people finding out about you. Yeah, the video was crazy. People would, like, posted on TikTok and be like, yeah, I had no idea. He'd look like this. You know what I'm saying? So that help with the blowout for sure. That interview that we did, he put us on to all kinds of crazy shit.

Like he spent two months working on a music video that never came out. That was the most mind-blowing story. I would cry. He got paid. Oh, okay. But nobody ever got to see his hard work, which I'm sure sucked. Yeah. definitely what about all because you said that louis skies was like one of your biggest

influences coming up like what drawing you to louis guys and i don't even know like it was just it was i don't know it just hit hard you know what i'm saying you hear a song and it just go crazy like i with all like all of his albums and stuff and like his come up like i looked through just like everything and like his like i listened to his music i was like damn like i feel i could make some like this and that's kind of and you know obviously my first shit did not sound like that, but I thought it did. So I just kept making music for real. Yeah.

Got tapped in yet or? No, I haven't. I hope one day, though. God's tap in, man. Yeah, I'm going, all right. I was just listening to him. He's on the lyrical lemonade album and shit. He's still doing this thing.

But he's independent now, too. He left the APG shit behind. Yeah, yeah, that's hard. But he was also someone who was basically kind of like losing their mind, like at the height of his success. Like, he just did not seem happy. And he seemed like he was just going through a lot of shit. He fell back, didn't put music out for, like, long-ass time.

Pete, I think he had a kid, right? Yeah. He also stopped smoking weed at some point, but then on the Lyrical Lemonade album, he was rapping about smoking weed a lot, so I'm not sure if that's over. I think he back on it. I saw, like, a video of him and someone else, and they're like, who rolled this joint better. Yeah. He used to be one of the most hardcore weed smokers.

I remember my life at a certain point. He was just going back-to-back with that shit so much. I feel it, man. My lungs are fucking going through it right now. You smoke a ton? A good. bit. I'm trying to cut back. Really? Yeah, almost like a pack of woods a day.

Oh, sure. Only weed? Yeah, with a couple of jays. Yeah. I mean, I'll drink a little bit, but yeah. Is that part of the creative process? Smoking? Yeah. I mean, I can record if I, like, don't have weed, but, like, it makes it more enjoyable, you know, it makes music sound better and shit. It's easier, like, like, recording in front of other people, like, drinking helps like that.

Like, if you're in a studio, like, a bunch of people, you don't know. Like, shit like that. It helps. Most of the rappers I've known throughout my life would never record anything without weed. Ever. I think, you know, I still have made some shit without smoking. Like, I'll just fucking wake up and just forget. Just get right to record it.

That's when you don't have to smoke weed is like right when you wake up. For real, I don't smoke for like the first hour too. Just because I feel like when I do, I feel like sleepy for the rest of the day. I try to stretch that part of my day out as long as possible. Thanks. So if I can like not smoke to like four, that's like. oh yeah I got a lot of work done today then I can kind of start melting my brain

when I go back when I'm like in Raleigh I try to fucking schedule it like every six hours every five hours I'll smoke just to like keep it to where I'm not going crazy because a lot of times where I get out here I'll just start fucking chain smoking woods all day you ever take a cannabis pill I did it back in the day

I definitely took too much I mean it's just like imagine like the highest you've ever been in your life but you just get it like that it's like but even the edible like it tastes like weed and shit. Somebody gave me these like cannabis pills back in the day. I just like ate one. I was on this like an RV and I just ended up laying down and sleeping for like seven hours

in the fucking RV. Yeah, I need one of those from our flight home, bro. Yeah. Just be careful with the dosage, I guess. Yeah. I used to fucking take like a thousand milligrams of edibles like every night. Just go to school the next day. Like still fried.

That's serious. Yeah. Edible definitely was still kicking eight, ten hours later for sure. Yeah, no. God, especially that much, bro, I was fucking, I don't know how I kept that up for, like, that was when I was, like, my peak fattest, bro. I was, like, 220 pounds, like, a year and a half go. I'm in, like, I hover from, like, 175 to, like, 185.

Right. Yeah. Do you have to, like, go out of your way to stay in shape? Not really. After I lost all the, because I was just, like, binge eating, like, I would just get high as as fuck and just order a bunch of food. Yeah. But, yeah, as long as I just keep it in, like, a certain amount, like, I don't really gain any weight.

I'm still trying to lose like 10, 15. Yeah. Working out on shit or? Back in Riley, I work out every other day. But I do like a lot of biking and shit, too. I'd be bored, bro. I just on them trails. Really?

Mountain biking? Yeah. Yeah, I'll just mountain bike, go up on, like, some trails and just smoke with a cool view and then just ride back, like, high as fuck. Be nice. That sounds great. That sounds like, that's my daily routine back home. That sounds like the best day ever.

What the fuck am I doing this shit for? Damn. Do you feel like a heartthrop? Do you feel like you get that reaction from the female fans and possibly even the male fans? Yeah, I'm crying. But it'd be a lot of like single moms on my shit, bro. I peeped. Really?

Yeah, like early 30s, late 20s. Wow. He's had a kid. Yeah. Cracking the grown holes, man. That's badass. You got a girlfriend? Oh, yeah.

That's who's sitting on the couch over here? No, no, that's my manager. Oh, really? Okay. Hi, how you doing? Yeah. You guys are like looking at each other so happy. and lovingly. I just figured you're...

Yeah, it's my girlfriend. Oh, okay. How did you meet Nikki? Like, how did Nikki get involved in your career anyway? She emailed on Instagram. She's trying to. She manages, like, a lot of producers and shit, too. And she was like, yeah, let me send beats.

We got on a call and then, like, fudged with each other. And, yeah, started managing me. How early on was this? Like, what songs do you have out at this moment? This was right after Partner and Crime, you hit me, right? I feel like it had just...

The song had just came out, but the music video was, like, about a come out type of shit. Yeah, yeah. So it was, like, right around partner Oh, all right, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Definitely.

How often do you come out to L.A.? A lot. Like, I'll come out here for like a month and then go home for like a month or do. Come back out here for like a month. Like the work, network and shit, like you link in the worries? And I just have like more friends or shit out here and more shit to do. Are you going to move permanently at some point? Yeah, not forever.

Like, I want to come out here for like a year or two. But like, yeah, for sure. I just want to wait until like I have to. You know what I mean? Because it's mad experience. Like, I just blood through money out here. Yeah. That's a problem.

Yeah. Who would you say you consider, like, your friends in the underground space right now? My boy, Suey, Sui Generous. Shout out, Sue. I ain't seen him in a few years. Bro, I was just with him, like, yesterday. Really? He's cool as fun.

Yeah. You've been seeing his cooking videos and shit? Cooking. He does, like, cooking and stuff now, and they go crazy, like, millions of views and shit on Reels and TikTok. Yeah, he's still, we just made us on last night. Yeah. That's interesting.

Yeah, because, like, I did. I think I found out about him Do your reaction videos Oh really? I saw you react into like his first video The one I was looking at the other day Is that he did an interview back in the day With Little Skies and Landing Cube

And it was kind of weird Because like Sui was like the smaller artist But then he's got like two people like co-hosting on his interview That were like more well known than him But that was like a really fucking good one back in the day And I remember his dad used to because he was young as fuck When he started coming around his dad would always be around And I remember Sue would be rocking mad designer

And his dad would just be telling me like, Hey man, it's like, if he wants to make it as a rapper I guess I gotta buy this drip And I was like, I guess, dude Yeah, he's sick I love his dad, bro, he's sick Yeah, yeah Suu's mad good at Condomincer

Yeah, oh gosh, shout out Sui, bro. Prentice, fucking, my boy Sosa There's hell of people, bro I know you was tapping like Cancan and shit early on. Bro, yeah, KK I found out about me I had like a trailer They went viral on like Twitter

when I was like 12 and that's how it was like DJ Dabs found me and it's said to like Ken Cannon Summers Shout out to DJ Dabs He just texted me or DM me And told me he's bisexual I peeped yeah I saw the I saw the tweets bro

I saw that I saw you send me Did I send you that? You sent me like a couple days ago You was like one of my friends just sent Yeah Yeah No the reason why I showed you

Because I thought it was so crazy It's because my response was like LOL and I'm like Waking up seeing it And then I'm like oh fuck He's serious Like that's not a joke. What are you doing? I wrote like LOL and he was like No, for real. I got a boyfriend and I'm like oh my bad dude. That's awesome like I actually I think that's dope like I'm glad that you're

Keeping it real and being yourself like that like you know but for a moment I just just wanted LOL and I was like Oh, what's the fucking crazy Trying to like come out to me and I'm just like LL little twin damn it you did it anyway back in the day that I wish I fuck I wonder if it's on the server It never came out we had like a bad like editor at the time we like never put it together. Damn. But DJ Dab's a real key legend. He put me on

like the beginning, bro. Shout out of him for real. Really? Wait, you're tweeting about you or some shit? No, dead ass. Yeah, yeah. Like, he saw, like, the tweets he posted that shit and one of his tweets of like my trailer went viral and that's how like they found out about me. No song wasn't on the trailer. I think it was like fuel. It's an old ass song. Yeah, yeah.

When I was like 11 or 12, but yeah. So you, yeah, you've been doing this music shit. Yeah, for a minute, yeah. So, like, how does it feel that like everything's like finally like paying off like where you can see it? Bro, fucking, it feels great. Especially just having a hotel, like, being so big that, like, bro, I can get in, like, a Uber. And, like, they ask me, like, what do you do?

I'm like, I make music. And I'll be like, they'll play hotel and be like, oh, I've heard this. So it always, like, it's a way to just, like, solidify myself. It's like an artist. You know what I'm saying? Definitely. Who's the biggest artist that have tapped in with you since you started getting traction? Damn.

I always, like, I always don't know what to say this question, bro. Just because it's so hard to remember. That whole time was a blur and I was just fucking high as shit every day. I remember Bad Baby called me one time It was funny as fuck She was like she was being mad nice to me But she would like She'd be like talking to me

And it started screaming at like her driver And she was like, she was like, Roger! Where the fuck are the keys? Anyways, I love your song You know what I'm saying? But it was funny When she used to be hanging out of the store For sure it was like that

Yeah She would be like normal and nice And then she would just scream At her security guard And it would be kind of awkward dude Damn That she threw me off That's so funny

And then I met her mom and I started to like understand better because her mom was kind of wild too. Yeah. Shut up to her. Is she just totally over making music? I don't know. I just, yeah.

I don't know. I looked at her, I think she's pregnant. Is she pregnant? Yeah, just saw her Instagram. Yeah, she's that one like that. Do we know what the dad is? Some black dude.

Yeah. Some black dude. He got her name to have it on his net. For real? He had just got that shit. I just saw her post of that. Wow. Yeah.

She like has like little candy paint features and shit. Bro. But I was probably with candy pain. It's kind of hard. I'm not even going to- Yeah, right? It's fucking weird that she's just like, like,

like, dude, Atlantic had her looking like the biggest fucking rapper for a while. Yeah. No, they were going hard. Gucci flip-flops. Yeah, Gucci flip-lops.

She's gonna slap her, man. A few other songs, too, that they just, like, made it happen. But I don't know if, like, it was them losing faith or her just not giving a fuck.

Because I guess when you make, like, $50 million on Onlyfans, you could just not give a fuck. Yeah. I don't know. The songs weren't that bad, though. She was pretty good She used to be from like, Whoa Vicky too, right?

That was huge. It's easy to forget about that. Remember that fighting at a mall and shit? I forgot who attacked two first, but yeah, shout out the bad. Shout out both of them. I think WoVicky was cloudchase and she like ran up on her. That was an interesting time. That baby was like the rich famous one.

Woe Vigy was like on the come up. So that's what she had to attack her. Yeah, that's hilarious. Bro. So on the first of all, I think you put out Sex and B volume one, right? Yeah. Wasn't Baby Tron on there?

Yeah, baby Tron was on that shit. How did y'all tap in and get that feature? I'm pretty sure he just hit me. He was like, yeah, you're hard, like, sitting open. That's usually how that shit go, and I send him that shit. There's been a lot of natural people just fucking with you naturally, right? Yeah, that's usually how it goes, like, every time, yeah. So who would you want to work with, like, if you can get a song or a feature for somebody?

Bro, Chief Keefe, Baby Smooth. Hell, hell, yeah. Those are my top two right now. Top two right now? Yeah. Have you talked to Sosa any? I'm pretty sure he's probably hit. Salsa be hit to shit.

Bro, I just modeled for like Glow Gang. You did. Yeah. Me and Colorful Moola I was talking about you. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Did that shoot? Yeah. I shot out Glow Game,

but it'd be giving me how you have a free clothes and shit. Yeah, that's dope. Hell yeah. That's good. How do you feel about being white as a rapper? How much does it matter in 2024? We haven't talked about it. We're like a half hour in.

That's kind of crazy because normally, like, on a radio interview or whatever. It'll be like, you're white. Let's talk about it. How big of a deal does it feel like these days? Let me hit my vape real quick. Let me do the whitest thing possible. Nah.

Bro, I really don't know. I feel like, damn. This is an interesting question. Obviously, it's different for every rapper in terms of how they're going to react to you. It has, like, a shock value for sure. Like, I feel like a lot of the times my song have gone viral.

Like, people will see, like, what I look like after the song's going up, and they're like, oh, shit. Like, it's white. Like, I didn't know. So, that's how the people feel about it. The element of surprise. Yeah. Not for real.

That's good. I feel like you probably will, like, a part of being white is that nobody expects me to take sides. Yeah. Like a beef. Uh-huh. Everybody's cool with me, like, not really, like, taking a side, which I feel like, as a white guy, you kind of get that privilege of, like, I can see that.

They don't expect you to, like, go along with their shit in terms of rappers and stuff. Whereas, but that's also, like, a media thing. Yeah. So I don't know. What about all the other, like, white gods and underground? It seemed like y'all are, like, kind of cool. Like, there's no beef. Yeah.

Shout out shine, bro. Yeah, nah. Okay, Marr. He's hard. Fucking Netspin's been doing this thing. Yeah, I was about to ask you. You fuck on a net spin? Hell yeah.

He cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I watch a YouTube video about him and DJ Fat the other day that really eliminated what's going on. Yeah, DJ. Did he felt an interesting guy. I ain't seen him in years.

I know he used to be with like summers and like cancann and him. I met him during the Tayk era. Yeah, he'd been around for a minute, huh? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He produced or at least was managing him at that time when the race came out. It's not like I ever met TayK, but like his shit was going crazy after he got locked up and shit, you know? Yeah, I thought Todd Flottie was managing. I don't know.

I think he was part of it too, yeah. No, blue. Top top light, yeah. He hit me trying to like manage me a minute ago. I don't even remember. DJF that was around around. Yeah, no.

Who's managing TwistyP at one point too? Yeah, he got his hands on everything. That's like such a crazy underground accolade to say I managed Twisty P. Like the unmanageable Twisty P? They thought he was like Yeat. People thought Twist E. But he was like a Yeat soldier in the very early days of Yee blowing up.

I thought he helped to blow up. Yeah, he was sprinting around like Melrose just fucking screaming that shit. Y'all seen him. him now. I've seen him recently. He looks rough. That shit. I don't know what he's been doing, bro. I don't know. I will say

shout out to Twizzap. He calls me like every fucking night tweaking out. I ain't gonna lie. Like, I don't know if it's been on something, bro. He got the shit beat out of him in the No Jumper parking lot. What? Years ago. They were doing a live stream, and he was supposed to pull up, and he had been talking shit about somebody online, and that person waited

in the parking lot, beat the fuck out of him, and then he still came in to hop on the live stream. His face was all bloody and shit. But then Blasey was just like, Blasey just felt bad for him. So he was like, bro, let's just end this. This is ridiculous. Like, yeah, you know, which is totally different than how I would have handled it. I would talk to him for like an hour about like, why is your face bloody? But that was just such a crazy random thing that has never happened before or after that really in terms of somebody like waiting to get somebody in the parking lot.

Damn. That was that different building too. But we had like, Twisty P was like the taste maker of like, going on the underground but like now I think we got like Diddy Bob. Yeah, Diddy Bob has been like curating this shit a little bit right? Hell yeah. What's your relationship? You know him? Oh yeah, he followed me on a Gramishie. Yeah, he cool, bro.

His videos are interesting. Yeah, diddy Bob's funny as well. You didn't really get arrested or was that fake? Oh, that's fake. Oh, okay. He's trolling. I mean to fuck that. I mean, he might not be showing free Diddy Bob.

Free Diddy Bob. Why is it so hard to fake a mug shot? I feel like every time someone fakes a mug shot, it's so obvious. Yeah. No, God. I don't know. What do you have to do? You've got to hire, like, real graphic designers.

This wall right here is a good wall to fake a mugs out on, bro. Yeah. But, like, part of it is, like, bad lighting. The lighting is always too good. You need to just get some shitty lighting in here. You have to get lighting that would make sense for a police department. Yeah, just like one of them big, just, what do they call them, fluorescent lights? Yeah.

The worst lights ever. Yeah, they have in schools and shit. Just one big one going across right there. If we could make really convincing mugshots here, that would open up a whole different lane for the business. All the rappers could shoot their mugs'all. Every rapper that pulls up, just be like $500, we could chew a good.

Good mugshot, bro. You'll have a whole viral thing. You just set up a whole thing. No one will ever believe anyone got arrested again. No, I'm God. You post them all on like the same day, bro. Send them all back so everybody has their mug shot out on the same day. I like it.

You ever been arrested? Yeah, no. Yeah, that's what's up. Yeah. Stay out of trouble, kids. Stay out of trouble. Yeah, I'm got it. You've been getting black.

It's all. I see you work on your sleeve. Yeah, I got this tat. This was the most recent one. Then this one, I got my shoulder, and then I got like a big chest piece. Like this all been recently, huh? Yeah, since like September. Break down, like, what's going on over there? I don't know.

We got a sword. And it goes right into some sort of what, like a scorpion or some shit down there in your hand. It's just like a cool design I drew out. Oh, you drew it out? I drew that one, like, kind of how my tattoo artist, like, touch it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I did, I drew the one on my chest, which is just like a woman playing like a piano. So it's more just about the art rather than like any specific meaning or whatever?

Yeah. Yeah, for real. So can we expect, like, the full Pulse Malone? No, I don't want to be like super tatted up, but like, I want to have a view. I feel like I already mainly have a lot of the shit I wanted to get. I might do like a small neck hat when I'm older, but like. Yeah. Yeah.

I mean, you were 8 28. Tight shit. Yeah, I might have to wait until like early 40s. Early 40s. You know what I'm saying? I'm 40 and I totally lost my whole desire to get tattoos at a certain point. No, I feel it. It just kind of like felt really important when I was like 19 and no, it just doesn't really.

Yeah. I don't know. I just get tattoos when I'm like drunk or high. Like, I made bad decisions. Yeah, I had to get a lot of tattoos covered up for that reason. I think I got this when I was on with Xanax or something, just bad choice. I don't call you Zan had a Remo. I don't take him like that

No I feel like Yeah but you get a fucking big Let me see that again This fucking go-ca's Oh you got Goku on your forearm Goku off his end That's some zanned out of shit Bro if he had like Zanz

Falling out of his mouth I don't know what I was so sick The next time I'm like damn I just wanted the black flag logo In the mid of XenX Blurs Oh yeah I didn't see it I was always a big fan of that

Even though I didn't approve of it But I secretly thought it was badass Um Okay You got anything else you addicted to vaping? Yeah Dead ass been addicted to nicotine since I was like 12

Yeah my onlys are So your parents is one of the parents That let you like smoke and shit or? I mean I feel like it was like every other parent But I got mad at it It shit at first But like I kept

Just kept doing it And at one point they were just like I talk it You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You smoke at the crib and be safe Then yeah Dude the crib smells like a pound

Every time I'm there So they'd be happy when I'm fucking out Bro When I'm out here Yeah Do you just smoke weed in your room and they can't stop you? I mean, I try to be nice about it. I'll put like a blanket over the door type shit.

I, you know, close the air vents, spray like Oseum, put on like a candle, you know, try to keep all the windows open and shit. But it doesn't really help that much. Nah, especially because I'll be having like eight ounces just laid out. That shit don't reek no matter what. Yeah. Yeah. Your parents can smell weed just like sitting there.

No, yeah. No, what I'm trying to do is like I'm trying to get them used to it. I'm about to start hiding just little bags of weed around the crib. So it's like they just, they smell weed all the time. You know, you know, you know when you smoke hell it. You don't smell it. You know what I'm saying? They have like diffusers for that shit.

I'm not even lying. Just kind of a whole bunch around the crib. So they just, the norm's missing. The only problem is when they leave for like an extended period of time and then come back. You just get hit and you're like, oh, it smells like a pound in here. My mom at my parents' house before they moved out here. I was in the basement.

It was like basement. First floor, second floor, third floor. I smoked a wood in the basement with the window open. She woke up in the middle of the night and thought the house was on fire. Just from the smell of the back wood. No, that's how it be, bro. I was just like, damn. Not in the woods?

You can't smoke a wood in the crib, for real. Weeds smell bad enough, but then you add the tobacco. It's like that shit waking up the neighbors. I'm dead-ass about getting an apartment back home just so I could smoke woods in the crib, bro. Because I wouldn't do that to them, bro. A wood in the crib is devious work. So if you do like the joints Yeah, I just like two fat joints

Yeah Yeah For sure Um What do you see yourself Uh three years from now For hopefully rich bro Doing well

With a Yeah I'm gonna go I'm just happy Any y'all For people who haven't heard your music Or like if this is the first time That's happening with you

Like give them a song Or a project for them to check out right now That like breaks down Who Lossy is Hey I'm gonna do like three Fucking You gotta do hotel of course, even though I fucking, I hate that song now, but like, it blew up.

So a hotel, I would say mixing strains to just like hear some of the trap shit and then like fucking off right to hear like some super R&B shit. That's all right shit. Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Well, appreciate your time, man. Hell yeah. Good luck with everything.

Yeah, it was dope being you. The music's crazy. Thank you to Remo for setting up the interview and everything. Wow, boy. Lazy. No jumper. Y'all be safe. Coolest podcast.

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