No Jumper - The Liife Interview

Episode Date: November 12, 2019

Liife shares about his upbringing, growing up with no guidance, doing time, losing his Dad killed on Christmas, He also talks about going to school with Kendrick, being introduced to Black Wallstreet by The Game, being a ghostwriter and so much more. ---- FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://spoti.fi/2vi9lsD CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper and iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 and follow us on Social Media: http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm follow Adam22 as well: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and follow adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And today I'm in here with Life, who you might not know about just yet, but I tell you, a very interesting guy. How you doing, man? Man, I'm good.

You know, happy to be here. We're in this thing. We out here. You want to take a drink just to start this thing off? Mandatory, let's do it. You came in with the Henny, and I appreciate that.

Real nigga shit, you feel me? Got to do it. Oh, man. I'm supposed to go to a party after this. So me taking that drink right now really makes me think, It's gonna be a lot more drinks throughout the rest of the night. It's the warm up.

You gonna go to the party and be on before everybody. Pornstar party too. You want to roll through? I might need to be in there. You feel me? You definitely got to be in there. You really? But it's not like an Irish bar though, so I don't know how cool it's gonna be.

Yeah, that's out. I don't know. That's what I'm saying. That's gonna be intense. Right. So tell me a little bit about yourself. You're from Compton? Shit, I'm from Compton, yep.

Born and raised. Yeah. Yep. What was your upbringing like out there? I understand that your dad had a pretty heavy presence. in the streets? Yeah, like, my, my mom's basically raised me. You feel me, my pops was, like, in and out.

You feel me, like, he had come by sometimes. Like, I just got vivid memories. He used to come by and just put me up on some crazy shit. Like, my first time seeing the pistol, he pulled up in the Cadillite. He had, like, an El Dorado, like, you know what I'm saying? Pulled up, had a shotgun in the middle, like a police. I was like, this nigga crazy. Wow.

Real shit. So he was, like, a gangster, but very much during the era. where, you know, people tend to be a little bit more low-key, careful. Like, basically, he was with niggas be rapping about, you know what I'm saying? How niggas be saying it was. It's like, he really was the epitome of that for me because at that time it was like, like you said everybody was really low-key, it wasn't cool, you feel me, it was just, but that's how he really was.

Right. You know what I'm saying? On the beginning, I ain't gonna say his name, but the beginning of his hood name was killer, because he was like, you know what I'm saying? Right. out there with that shit. Holy shit. He was a Crip, too.

You feel me? Okay. Yep. And so from your perspective as a kid, are you kind of, do you feel like you were getting mixed messages in the sense that you maybe have like your mom telling you how to do right and you got your teachers and everything? And then you're just aware that your dad is like totally on the other side of life. I mean, for me, I say this shit all the time.

Like, I really didn't have no guidance because my mom's was working two jobs. I was the oldest. You know what I'm saying? and she really wasn't, I ain't gonna, you know what I'm saying? She hated what I said, but she, in my music, but she really wasn't raising me. You feel me? I was really in the streets, really, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, she really couldn't, wouldn't tell me nothing, you know what I'm saying?

I really was living with my dad's sister. So like my mom's was out clubbing, running the streets, making money. I moved in with my auntie because she had three other kids that was like bad like me. I wouldn't say bad, but just like, you know, know, they was real rough and shit. My little brother and my sister was way smaller than me. So it was like, I moved in with them and really started. I got to really see what the street life was because she worked two jobs, but she was strict,

but at the same time she would allow you to make your own mistakes. So she wouldn't be like, hey, stay in a yard. She's like, if y'all want to go outside, you know, you can run around the area, do whatever. We block to block, you know what I'm saying? Like, I remember being like 10 walking like. 10 blocks to get to the pool, Lutus Park pool, like, you really just going to that motherfucker. I was like 10. Yeah.

So it was like, I really didn't have nobody telling me right or what was wrong. It was more like I just learned from my mistakes or if the homie went through some shit, then I would learn from his mistakes. And I was always an observer. So I learned fast, you know what I'm saying? So that's what really, like a lot of my homies is gone or locked up. And I was able to prevail because I observed like, if the homie did this, shit, I ain't. I ain't doing that. That shit got the hummy shot in the face or got them life in the jail.

So it's like, all right, that ain't the move. I mean, that's the crazy thing when you really think about the hood is that it's like there's such an environment that's so dangerous, whether it's like getting yourself shot or getting into trouble with the cops and ended up in jail for however many years. But you're in this environment where there's not a lot of opportunities to go on the straight and narrow. But then meanwhile, it's like you're learning as a kid. You're learning the lessons.

But a lot of times the ramifications of those lessons, like you fucking up, if your first attempt at gang bang and if you don't really have somebody who's really putting you on game and telling you what you need to be doing, the consequences are so devastating. Yeah, real shit, because it's like, I've seen people that was like my little cousin, he like 17, bro, his first charge, he got like 23 years, first time in jail. Like you said, it's no really, it's no, it's no like in between. It's like when they hit you, it's going to devastate your life because you just was doing it because this is what you've seen

and this was your way to make money or like your homies was doing it and you, on the other hand, was the person that got the bad end of the stick. And it's like, 23 years for somebody that's 17, you feel me, that's like,

that's hard to battle. Yeah, it's hard to fathom. Yeah, it's crazy because they ain't gonna never learn life. I don't even care if you fucking, if you're a 16 or 17 year old and you kill somebody straight up, I don't see,

even like 10 years seems like a lot of fucking time and that I feel like a huge percentage. of people are going to be able to like at that that's a fair punishment even less than that I feel like I don't know maybe people think I'm tripping but I really feel like keeping someone in that environment for that long is so much more likely to turn them into someone who's really dangerous don't turn you into a real savage because that's all you know because what it is is like they putting you in there with 10,000 other criminals kill us murderers you probably in that motherfucker for burglarizing some shit and that's that's the whole thing is that you're going to learn how to be in the

streets and how to get away with shit way better in there. That's all you learn when you go to jail. Like you in there with niggas that's better than you at being criminals. So it's no, it's no like, you know what I'm saying? It's just informative, really, because you in there like, yo, man, what happened? And he's like, hey, when you do this, when you go hit this house, only hit Asians. You know what I'm saying? You learn it. I learned that from Draco and YG records, though. That's real because, exactly, because they really, you know what I'm saying, passers. So it's like, If you're really a pastor, that's what you're going to learn. You know, I went to jail and learned that.

You feel me? I was out doing shit just randomly. You know what I'm saying? Just trying to get some dollars. But then when I went to jail, you feel me somebody from like, Mona Park told me like, hey, just hit Asians. They don't believe in banks. You know what I'm saying?

Or, you know, hit Spanish people because they all got out of gold. Or, you know what I'm saying? Black people really don't keep money in the house. Like, I learned, that's the type of shit I was learning. So it's like, yo, jail is not really a rehabilitation. It's just school. It's gladiator school. So you say that your dad was putting you on to shit like the first time you seen a gun

and all this kind of stuff, but was he really there for you in the sense that he was helping you to figure out how to move in the streets once you decided that that's the kind of the road that you wanted to go down? I mean, not really. Nah, not really. No, it wasn't that kind of relationship. No, it wasn't that type of relationship. I mean, everything was accidental.

It's not like he pulled up and like, hey, look at his pistol. Look at his shotgun. It's like, I was just, like I said, I was observant. So if I go hop in a car, I, he might told me, go grab. You know what I'm saying? Go grab the food out the car. I brought you off some food. And I go in the car and be looking around and just see like, damn, this thing got a big

-ass gun right here, you feel me? And with that being said, it just made an imprint on my life that I remember that. Like, I remember that vividly getting in the car and this thing got a big-ass shotgun in the car. And like as I got older, I would hear like people saying shit about him, people from his hood, like, yo, yo, yo, oh, this thing was a real killer. He was really out here. So now it all starts to make sense to me.

Right. Okay. So your dad's still around though? He got shot. He did. Oh, damn. Yeah, you feel me? And it's crazy because like he got shot from his own homies, you know what I'm saying?

On Christmas morning, right? On Christmas, the day before Christmas he was delivering, because he was a cool dude, you know what I'm saying? So like he was delivering Christmas trees to my sister. You know what I'm saying? And he stopped in his hood, but he wanted them dudes that like, you know, I'm saying, he was delivering, You know, he old school, so it's like, but he still be around on the block and shit. So it's like when he went to the block, he stopped in his head to talk to his homie.

It was some younger niggas out there. And, you know, he had like a couple of words because my brother, my brother was like at that age, you know what I'm saying, the other dudes that he had words with. And he was telling me, hey, if y'all ain't going to fight, then you niggas got to get on. He was really like G checking him. And then what happened was, oh, the dude put a, the dude put a gun out on him. And then he was like, shit, if you pull a gun out, you already know what time is? You're going to kill me or I'm going to come kill you?

Uh-huh. You know what I'm saying? That's all I went down. Because was he at the point in his life at that point where he was like mostly out of that environment? He was out of that shit. But he still was a gangster genetically, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, but he wasn't like out there banging and shit.

Like he was an old man. Right. He still had his same blood in him. So it's like, that's how they did him. I got a friend who died like almost exactly the same way where he was like, basically he's in the same position where he was almost maybe like, like 30 but he was like out of the hood and he like ended up in the neighborhood one night ended up getting in a little argument with something like young kid in the neighborhood or

whatever and that kid just comes and fucking shoots him in the head and it was like it feels like that's what's crazy is that dudes get to the point in their life where they 100% shouldn't have to worry about that shit anymore real shit but that just somehow it just still ends up following yeah that's shit crazy bro that is crazy because most of the niggas that be getting shot you am saying and get killed them niggas be on some whole other shit you know what my um my um homie frog, R.P. Frog, you feel me? Like, he was on some other shit, too. Like, and he was just getting his car while on his birthday.

And some mix-up he got in from somebody else, from his cousin. It's like me and you being cousin, you from somewhere. And then you got enemies too, but you hang it with me. I'm your blood. So they basically looking at me like, shit, you were him. So, you know, guilty by association. It's crazy. It's crazy, too, because I feel like, you know, Nipsey's a prime example of that, too.

Real shit. He was way past all that. time during his life where something like what happened to him seemed likely. Yeah, like I never imagined, you know what I'm saying, that happened to a nigga like that, but that's the streets don't love nobody. Feel me? So it's like, I always look at it like, it's one, it only take one person to just be like, fuck it.

You know what I'm saying? One bullet. They could be walking his daughter to school. One person could come up and do the dirty work and it's over for any, it could happen to anybody. What happened to Nipsey could have to be. to anybody. It's niggas in their hood every day that's doing, you know what I'm saying righteously, but at the end of the day, it only take one person. Facts. So you started getting caught up or you started getting more into the streets

at what age? When do they really start, that you started getting to get into shit? I'm, um, so when I was in the streets, I'd probably be like sixth grade, you feel me? Like fifth grade, I was getting in trouble. You know what I'm saying? Fifth grade, I was getting suspended. That's probably when it started, I was getting kicked out of school. then sixth grade is really when the gangs was introduced to niggas, you know what I'm saying? That's when you kind of have to start choosing your lines. You gotta choose your sides because it's like, yo, at that point it's you in a six, but this niggas in the eighth, that's like 18, 17, you know, they're already deep in the shit.

So it's like, when you get into sixth grade, it's pretty much when the shit get real, you know what I'm saying? So basically like sixth grade and then you get to high school, that shit full-fledged, you know? And so are you looking at it like you've, you just, you just, you just, you just, you just, you Is there no choice? Like you've got to get down with something? And are you feeling like you've got to be a Crip because you're dead?

No, not even because, like, for me, all my cousins is Crips. You know what I'm saying? Me, all my homies is Bloods. But what happened was my older cousin ended up being a blood. You feel me? He was a pile of rule. So, like, I looked up to that nigga in a sense at like a young age because this nigga had all the fly shit, had Beamer with TVs in the hairrest.

That made me like, I need to get some money. That's when I started doing illegal shit, you know what I'm saying? And he was a Pai Ruh, so that made me be like, oh, this is how Pai Ruh's is. You know what I'm saying? My home school, Pai Ruh's. You know what I'm saying? My homie's Pai Ruh's. So it's like, for me, it was an easy choice because that shit was already in me.

It's like everybody that I'm hanging with, it's Pai Rooz. My family was Crips, but they're going to love me regardless. You know what I'm saying? That's how it works. You felt like they, you weren't worried about them sort of being upset with you for that? I mean, niggas was upset, but at the end of day, if you're a solid person, it's like, your niggas just gonna be like, damn, that's fucked up, bro. But like, all right, we still love you, you know what I'm saying?

So you become paro. What does that really entail at that point? Like, just sort of, is there any kind of ceremony you get jumped in at any point? Is that not really happening? You get courted on, you know what I'm saying? It's like, you gotta get down with a couple niggas, but it's like, for me, it was like a family because my homies that I grew up with, it was already from this shit. So it's like, it was easy for me, you know what I'm saying?

Right. And so when you start getting into that way of life, though, do you feel like all of a sudden it's like, really on in the sense, like, if somebody who you're associated with gets beat up, hurt, shot, whatever, that you really, like, are you really taking on that level of, like, I have to avenge anything that happens to somebody? I was always, like, I was just, I was observing. So it's like, if you did something to the homie, it was my homie, but it was like my brother. You know what?

So I was the type of nigger like, hey, you know what? But y'all niggas finna go do this shit over here. Y'all are funn't gonna slide on these niggas. But you know, that shit's stupid. You know what's gonna happen? You niggas gonna get caught. But if y'all want to go, I'm gonna go, but I'm gonna tell you, like, this shit, you're gonna gonna get caught.

I never would, I ain't gonna lie to niggas and be like, I was a nigger that was gang, telling everybody, hey, like, we're gonna go slide on the enemies. I'm not that dude. I ain't gonna lie to you. I'm more smarter than that. I'm the dude that was like, hey, this is the repercussions of this happening. And if you niggas is really that much, you know what I'm saying, furious about what happening you want to go retaliate, I'll go with you, come on.

But this is the consequences. Right. You know what I'm saying? So when that fire happened, I told the homies, these are the consequences. This is what could happen. And it happened. Did that slow you down a lot? That make you think like, holy shit, I don't want to get into.

Not really. I mean, it didn't even slow them niggas down. Right. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, it didn't slow me down. But for me, I had a son. So it was like, I'm a person. My dad went there, my mom, I put family first before anything.

So it's like, I need to be here to teach this dude not to take the same steps that I took. You know what I'm saying? And teach, because I feel like if I had guidance, I'd be in the NBA. You feel me? I'd be a lawyer or something real shit. It's like I was, I just didn't have nobody to keep me on track. Like, you feel me to be like, hey, that's the bad move. It's like everything that I did, I just have to learn from it.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. I mean, that is the tough thing when you really think about it too, because kids that come from, like, rich families and shit, they get fucking arrested for shoplifted in or caught fucking, you know, pushing somebody's fucking mailbox over or something. And then they, the parents, like, really get involved, like, in a lot of the situations. And there's just so much of, like, intervention. And, like, you get in trouble.

And the parents really give a fuck. You get suspended. And the parents are really upset. And that sort of, like, creates at least an atmosphere where it's like, okay, somebody's trying to stop. them from doing that. Whereas a lot of kids who grew up in the hood or whatever, it's like, they barely, they get suspended. They barely have parents around to really, like, enforce the fact that that's a bad thing to happen. Exactly. And also, it's like, when your parents

around, you just got a better, like, blueprint of, like, what you should be doing. Even though niggas don't listen, nobody listens to their parents. But just the fact that you got somebody on your shoulder constantly nagging you, like, hey, if you do this, this is going to happen. You're messing up in school, this is going to happen. keeps you kind of focused in a sense. You know what I'm saying? And if you're not, it refocus you when you do get off track.

So it's like, I've never had that. A lot of kids in the inner city don't got that. And then the mommas don't even know how to talk to a man that's like, you feel me? How are you going to talk to this boy? You could only tell him so much.

It takes a man to raise a man. You feel me? And we got moms out here trying to be a father, but it's like, that shit ain't really working. Look at the statistics. It's like impossible. Definitely.

So side note, you grew up going to high school with Kendrick and shit? Oh yeah, I went to school with Kendrick, yeah. So he was just a super regular guy at that point? Was he even rapping yet? I mean, we was rapping. We was a battle all the time. Okay.

Yeah, Kendrick, my dog. He was just a dude rapping in the school, though. You weren't like, oh, this guy might sell 10 million records in the future? I never thought in a million years. I always thought, I think to this day I'm going to be the nigga to sell the million. So it's like, when I'm rapping with Kendrick, I'm thinking shit, this nigga hard. This is my bro. We're going to go to the top.

But I'm not like, hey, this nigga going to be Kendrick. You know what I'm saying? But that's how life is. Life is crazy like that. It's hard to predict that shit, though, because I remember when Kendrick was supposed to be the next dude where people were talking about him online and shit. Talking about for a long time before it actually started to happen. And then it's like, dudes keep getting to higher and higher levels. But it's like you can always like, I could look at somebody and be like he's mad, talented.

I think he's got a future. But that doesn't mean, you know. I ain't go lie. But I'm going to tell you one thing that made me think like this nigga is different. We used to walk from school. You know what I'm saying? And we go to this, go his house. He lived in my neighborhood.

Right. Like, he had a two-story. house where I was from so I walked we went to the same school so we'll walk home together you know what we'll stop at his house this nigga will be in there practicing practicing music music really like writing shit dissecting music and I just couldn't fathom it I like I went like four five times never went back really because I wouldn't that type of dude you know what I'm saying because you might wanted to make music but you weren't thinking of it like a fucking scientist

he's like he's a scientist like he's a scientist not only that I was I was more engulfed than just street shit. So I was entertained by that. You feel me? Kendrick had both of his parents, like I said. So it was like, I just feel like you have better tools when you got both of your parents. It's just inevitable. Like the tools in the shed is just sharper, you know what I'm saying?

Because you got your pops, you got your moms, you're getting both sides of the spectrum. You know what I'm saying? That's so true. It's so much easier to get like a fucking solid upbringing like that. So when do you start going to in and out prison when you get your first case actually in your prison? I called my first case when I was like in the eighth grade. Okay. I was going to jail from six though.

Like sixth grade I was going to jail. The thing about that is when you're that young, your mama can come get you. You know what I'm saying? She can come get you out. So it's like I even was so like I said, I'm observing. So I was so smart. My cousins was older than me. So I get caught and call them like, hey, come get me.

My mom's will never know. you know what I'm saying until you get to that age and once you get to like the eighth grade then juvenile hall y a all that shit coming to play so it's like you're not getting out you've been in here you got priors you got you've been in here six times for this shit now you're going to jail right not even going to jail because i being like LP but it's like now you're staying here what kind of stuff was that you're getting caught for burglaries pistol I had a pistol case when I was young you feel me like how young really like 17 okay and you're just running around with the I just had it on me. My homie was like, I was burglarized and shit, so I had cars and shit

when I was like 14, 15. At a car, I went to the, we went to the, we was going to see some girls in like, on like Maine and San Pedro or some shit, you know what I'm saying, 64th in San Pedro, some shit. It was in Swans though, you feel me? So we was going to go see two girls, me and the homie. And like, when we hit the block, I had dark 10 on my car. I had like this interpid. I thought that motherfucker was fly. We hit the block and the police gang unit was coming out. So they seen two black niggas with hats on, they bust the U-turn, you feel me? Got behind us. By the time they get behind us, we already been through the whole, like, we knew what they was going to do. So we hopped out the car.

They got on us. The girls who was outside at that point. They took the keys out of my pocket, searched the car, put us in back of the car, threw the keys on the top of the hood. At that point, I leaned over and tell the homie like, hey, I'm not going back to jail. We're in a task force car. So that meaning it wasn't a real police car. It was just a Crown Vic with a with a bar glass in the middle, but you could still open the doors. I'm in cuffs. I opened it with my teeth, boom, fall out the car. Once they threw the gun on top of the car, I'm like, I ain't going to jail. So I fell out the car out there. I opened it, got on. And then a homie still on the car. Your handcuffed running? I'm handcuffed getting on. So it's like I'm getting on down to San Pedro.

Some niggum pull up in a van, random man. Hey, get in your. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna get you. Guy who just casually decides he wants to be involved in a felony. Casually, bitch. But look, let me tell you what happened. That's the hood though. Everybody just kind of got each other back.

I'm gonna tell you the other part of the hood though. When a nigga seen the police hit the corner, that nigga closed the door on me. Oh, man. I run into the truck and fall, police get on me. As soon as I get out, the homie think this is the proper, this is the right time to run. After I get caught, this nigga hop out. I'm like, this nigga crazy. So we sitting there.

The homie was gone for like 45 to an hour, though. They had to get the dogs out. The helicopter was out. They caught the nigga, but the good thing about this is, since they took the keys out of my pocket, it was an illegal search. So we end up getting a DA reject. That's illegal? Yeah.

You can't take the keys up or something? If we ain't driving, why are you pulling us over? Right. You feel me? So we wouldn't drive. You've seen us driving, but when you got behind us, all you have to do is frisk us, CRR-R-D, because we're not in the car. You took the keys from us,

open a vehicle and searched it, illegal search. Wow. You just took somebody property and went in their car for no reason. Dumbass cops. That seems so obvious. Exactly. So we got on. We got away with that.

So you got any other good stories for getting arrested? Was there like any, was there one big dramatic one that sent you to jail for years? I mean, one story that I went to jail for like a year and a half. Most I did was like a year and a half. It was the most time. I'm smart, be like I thought I went to jail for burglary. How did this happen? So like

When I went to jail And I just had turned I was like 18 at this point So I ain't go to juvenile hall I went to jail jail And is it like Every time like you're 12 And you're thinking like

Oh I can just get in trouble As much as I want Nothing's gonna happen And then I wasn't thinking But then you start getting juvenile Hau and then like you're like Well this ain't that bad And then you turn 18

And you start getting arrested for real I'm gonna lie man Like jail That shit wasn't that bad My first time going to camp Was like I went to a sports camp The talent is in the hood You know what I'm saying?

Like if you check niggas that's in the hood, they're talented, but they just succumb to so much, you know, negativity. It's like so much shit that can stop you from achieving your goals, you feel me? So like when I went to jail for the first time, I went to camp Kea Patra, you know what I'm saying, Kilpatricka, which is a sports camp. All game members in that motherfucker though, but all these niggas is nice at something, whether it's baseball, football, basketball, we go to other schools, so we'll go to like, crunch show high and we'll play them. And our girls could come to the school. That shit was crazy.

I liked at that camp. I was happy to be there. You feel me? So, but after that camp, shit started getting real. Like, they was putting the nigger in real sales. And I was like, this out. So then when I went to jail, when I turned 18, I forgot how the fuck I even got. Oh, yeah, I was in Norwalk. Yeah, I tried to pass on some shit in Norwalk, got caught. Like, the homie had just got shot. And me and him trying to pass, he telling me like, hey, you see this man across the street, that nigga watching us. And me, I was like, here you line. That n'n't watch her. Let's just hit this shit. We're going to get this money and we're going to get on. The dude happened to be watching us. So, about time I stick the screwdriver in the

door, the police swoop up on us. Now, it was a lady cop. So when she hopped out the car, she had a big-ass Desert Eagle. And the homie he was just shot. So he can't run. I'm thinking, I'm telling this, nigga, I'm going to come back for you. I'm about to get on, though. And that niggas just looked at me like, you going to leave me? I'm like, I'm like, We both can't go to jail. Yeah. But I stayed for the nigga, though. You know what I'm saying?

We both went to jail. Fucked up situation. Went to jail for two years. You ended up regarding it? I got a strike for that shit. So, hell yeah, I regret it. I got a strike on my record for that. That's the number one thing you're afraid of, huh?

What I'm afraid of is doing life. Life. You feel me? That would be really ironic and fucked up. Exactly. You feel me? If you hear what I'm saying. So it's like,

that was the most fucked up shit that I went to jail for because I got a strike for that. Yeah. That whole lifestyle just doing burglaries and robberies and shit is that shit just, it just seems so crazy.

Like, in terms of, like, it's easier for me to imagine running like a cocaine empire. Yeah. And not getting caught. Whereas when you're doing

the robberies and shit, it's like, it's just, every single time you do anything cost a living is just getting caught up in that shit.

That's what I mean, but like, I was observing is that's what I learned. It's like, nigga, you really out here gambling.

You know what I'm saying? This is a dice game. You're going to hit and then you're going to crap out. Yeah. And you're going to crap out more than you hit. So it's like, I learned that. But were you getting addicted to that payday of getting, you know, a significant amount of money? I did it to, I, from a young age, I started so young.

So it's like, by the time I got that strike, I still was hitting shit after that, but I was just smart. So I'll be like, I'll get some of the young homies and be like, y'all niggas ain't got no records. You ain't got no strikes. Y'all niggas could hit all this. I'm a draw y'all, niggas. I'm going to be outside. So I got smarter, you know what I'm saying? Getaway driver, still kind of whiskey.

You feel me? But then the homie got caught for that and ended up getting 23 years. For being a getaway driver? No, he was the nigga going in. Oh, okay. So then I had to stop that. I was like, that's out. You feel me?

Like, niggis still going to get life. So whether it's my life or somebody else is like. Definitely. The homie, so like, that shit is out. That's crazy. Before we get into the music, should? was like your OG or how would you describe this relationship? Man shit my homie that nigga just called me like two, three weeks ago.

Really? Yeah, like I used to live with shit. Like that's my dog. He showed me so much. I used to want to ask the nigga like what really happened to Tupac, man. But that nigga, I just never asked him. I feel like I've watched enough Vlad videos about the Tupac shit that I get it now because I've heard so many different people talk about it and shit.

And also this is podcast Mob James and them called Gangster Chronicles I'm listening to. I've seen a blast shit. Man, they talk about a lot of shit. I mean, at that point, that shit went even out. And also, it's different coming from the nigga that's right next to the dude. You know what I'm saying? It's like I was telling.

Because the other homie menace, this nigga. Compton Menace? Yeah, so he was... He was supposed to come through at some point. Show up to him. Yeah, I was just with that nigga, like two, three days ago. Oh, okay. And he was...

And his, his, uh, his BM's daddy is one of the niggas that was with Puffy. Okay. You feel me? I ain't gonna say his name, but he was the nigga that was with Puffy side by side, one of the niggas that was with him. was running all of them niggas.

So it's like, for me, it's hard to fathom like niggas was really around legends because the whole culture is built off this, the Shug brought a lot of these niggs to the game. Like, people don't give him credit because whatever the case is, but if you think about it, Snoop Dogg, Dr. Dre, Tupac, uh, corrupt, Das Dillinger. Like, he responsible for all these people. So it's like, Shug is a real OG, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. How do you feel about like the reputation that he has in rap at this?

point where it's kind of like, you feel like a lot of people just kind of view him as like the devil. And like, is it hard for you to view that when you've had positive experiences with him? Not really because like the nigger did a lot of crazy shit, but how I look at it is like this, which I was having a conversation with the homie the other day, which was when you get in this industry, niggas is not your friends. You know what I'm saying? So Shug was somebody that took that and ran with it.

He knew that. he done was just to benefit whatever he was building. He wasn't thinking about like, all right, this is his family. So it's like a lot of people doing that shit today. A lot of infrastructures and empires are built off this nigger method. So it's like, how could you really think of them like that when everybody is really running their shit like that? It's crazy because when I listen to people talk about the Shug shit, basically it's like he just chose to make death row completely surrounded everybody involved was like gang bangers. And, you know, largely people who had never been outside the hood never been on shit so it's like when you look at him

it's kind of like almost like when people have the conversation about six nine and i'm not saying this shug is like a six nine but it's like if you get to the point where you're all of a sudden experiencing huge success in the music game you should be careful about just associating yourself with a bunch of people that really don't play by any fucking rules and are just doing their own thing and it's like yeah i think shug was addicted and i'm saying this is somebody doesn't know but he's saying like he was addicted to just having the toughest motherfuckers around him and kind of ignored the fact that there's a lot of bad shit that can kind of come with that. Yeah.

Now, I've seen this post other day, which was saying, like, you really, if you make it and nobody around you made it, nigga, you didn't make it, you know what I'm saying? So with that being said, it's like, it's hard to be from somewhere like Compton where all you got is your brothers, like all you got is each other. So, and get on and not give nobody no position. niggas is killers everywhere you go you know what I'm saying so it's like are our burglarizers or robbers any city any place you go to if you're from the hood that's who you're around I'm pretty sure you got homies that do whatever but they still your homies so it's like am I going

deny you to like to hang with me nigga we're going to get to this money I got homies who like pull up to the studio and sell you a couple perks that's they're not killing anybody I don't think shit them perks is killing niggas that's true in the long run yes yeah I know but isn't that so crazy to think that literally like if you pulled up and I know that this is probably not something you're doing but if you pulled up to a celebrity and sold them from drugs and then that person died that then you'd be literally able to catch a murder case off selling somebody like $10 worth of pills. Yeah, that's out. I don't believe in that. That's stupid. Nicky you did the drug. You know? I'm just the nigga. I'm a middleman. But I do get it when it's like people who's like

serving fentanyl and shit like that. You serving that phosphoify shit then yeah. But if you just like, I'm just the middleman. It's like I don't believe you should get. You should be held up in court for murder. I guess like the only thing that's good about it is that it might make people not want to sell drugs at all because they're scared of that. But really, they should just be smarter and get burner phones and stop fucking texting each other when they're committing these crimes. That's what I don't be understanding. But, you know, that's because people be taking this shit lightly. It's like, bro, I don't understand why niggas be doing so many crimes off their phone and they're able to pull up your phone.

My dog went to the defense. And he said they had some cold-ass devices. He was switching up phones. They had like a radar gun that they could shoot. in your direction and it'll pick up all your whoever on the phone making calls it'll pick up their waves wow they'll go put that shit in pro tools and they'll depict who it was so it's like even if you're switching phones you still can get caught if you at that level but i still don't see why niggas be on a phone with their name on it oh yeah talking dirty and talking all type of slum

motherfuckers are really running a whole drug empire off their phone and just not think twice about it like like really sometimes i'll see the homie and he's on a burner and I'm just like Damn, I'm like, you really selling coke. That's crazy. You know, like, damn, you actually give a fuck. You must be selling a lot of Coke if you really bothered to go get that phone. Because there's a lot of people I know that are selling all kinds of drugs and they ain't got no burner. I got no burner.

That nigger's selling keys, boy. I mean, or you're just ruining your nice little business, selling your eight balls, making your money, but you're smart enough to have a burner. I'm not saying that's going to really protect you in the long run. I don't know. The cops, if they really want to get you, they're going to get you. But it's nice to not have a fucking permanent record. your shit in your eye cloud. Yeah, because that's how iPhone is the fair, so I don't know.

I mean, when I heard about Melly, and he's a friend of mine, so I'm, like, concerned when I hear that he had a double murder case, and I'm reading about the evidence that the cops have, and I'm reading about how they got the cell phone records of the driving. I'm like, Jesus Christ, bro, you don't want to be a criminal. That's why I be talking to the hummy. I'd be like, this shit is hard to fathom. But maybe niggas is just getting stupider as time go by, because I don't, I just hard for me to fathom that you knock to.

your homies down and then you got all the evidence. It's like who ain't going to think about I got my phone on me. Oh shit, let me put this phone on. Oh, I sent the text to the homie and told him to meet up with me and he died immediately after he fucking answered that motherfucker fucking got on the car. It's like,

who don't think? I don't know how you don't think that type of shit. Because if you could think it the fed's got a whole team of people working on that type of shit. Dudes live their whole lives just praying that the cops will never get interested in him. Because if the cops get interested in you, It's over.

They just pray and pray and pray that the cops will just never actually want to look into him, which, hey, you might get lucky. You might never run into that. Yeah, but too many niggas like to be flexing and just bawling out. So it's like, once you get to that level of the money, like you heard about the dude that was pressing up the pills, like the, but we're fitting on shit and selling them on a black web. Oh, yeah. I did hear about this.

That nigga made billions. But like you said, his phone, he was still on his phone, on his regular phone. Yeah. The police got on him, waited three years. caught the nigga at his lowest point and blasted him. Now he in jail doing bad. Like, you know what I'm saying? From having drop heads and

phantoms and Ferraris to jail can't even get a pack of noodles. That's crazy. I know. That's why I can never get into it no matter what. Once in a blue moon, I'll hear about how much money people are making some of drugs. I'm like, damn. Am I really turning that down? And then I remember what a 10-year jail sentence would feel like. And I'm like, yeah, all right, I guess I'm good.

That shit out. Ten years. You're going to come back. Car's going to be flying. 10 years kind of light. That shit light, but it ain't light out here. 10 years go by, all type of shit changed. For sure, but I'm saying, like, you could get 10 years for anything. That's not even a body. Yeah, no, that ain't nobody for sure.

But 10 years is still a long-ass time. So when you make the decision that you really wanted to get focused on music and step away from all that shit? I mean, really, I've been doing music, but like when I met my dog, you know what I'm saying? And he just was telling me the possibilities and shit, like, I should focus on this, you feel me? So I was like, shit, let's try it. And once he was making shit materialized that he was saying to me, I was like, oh, this

shit real, you know what I'm saying? So let me stand back because I can't fathom going to jail when I could have been doing something else. It might take more time. It might take three years. Might take two. Might take one. But I can't fathom getting that, you know, four-five racks off one passer and try to hit

another one and going to jail. in 10 seconds, I can't do it. I got kids. So it's like I start taking my shit serious about, I would say about probably like serious, serious, about a year and a half, you know what I'm saying? So your style is a little bit more lyrical than what we're used to. How would you define your style? For me, I'm like, I would define myself as I am lyrical, but also like I could dumb down

and just, I could do anything. Like I'm like, I'm like LeBron of rapping or quiet, you know what I'm saying? Like I could do anything. I'm good at everything when they come to lyrics and music. You know what I'm saying? I kind of skipped over. Like you were involved with Black Wall Street? Or was that your introduction to be involved in the music world at all?

That was my introduction. Okay. Game introduced me. But I was rapping before that I was in the hood. And Game had like was dropping his shit. He was hot. What year was this? This is probably like 2011.

Okay, so it's sort of later era in games career, but... I mean, when was game... You came out like 2003, 2004, but that was G-Unit game. Nah, yeah. Nah, that was probably so... It was around the time with G-Unit.

Oh, so that long ago, okay. So it was, yeah, so I got on a track. Well, I didn't get on the track with him. I did a track. He put it on his mixtape. You know what I'm saying? That motherfucker was like the hottest song on his mixtape.

But at that time, I was still burglarizing shit and doing all type of shit, I wouldn't get no money from that. So I was like, I ain't stopping doing nothing I'm doing. So like I went to jail like in the peak of that shit. If you look on game documentary CD, I'm on that motherfucker like the, the, I'm a little ass baby, but you're going to see me on their life on a, on a documentary actual video because it came with a, the documentary came with a DVD for his actual documentary. Okay.

His visual documentary. And so you were young, you were around from that super young age. Yeah, I was there. Wow. I moved out the house, like I said, 16, 15, I was already moved out. I lived on Brazil, like with the game. So when you, so you get locked up and then do you come back and do you still have association with them? When I came back, you know what I'm saying?

I had, did like a year I came back at that point him and his brother was beefing. I'm from Cedar, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? So my loyalty is to the block. So when I came back, Game went near. But game had like, you know, I put out a CDI low key

was just talking shit and shit. Game contacted like one of my homies was like, tell I have to pull up. You know what I'm saying? So I pulled up and that's how I got back in contact with him. Okay.

Pull up, like, was it beef when you pulled out? Nah, it was just like come to the studio. Okay. Was his brother's name? Faiso? Big face. Oh, Faso. Right, right, right.

Okay. So then you started to be a writer for a period of time? Were you helping out? Yeah, I helped out write a lot of shit. Were you writing his shit or writing whose shit? I mean, you feel me? I ain't going to put a nigga on blast nobody because I wrote for a lot of niggas. You know what I'm saying?

Right. But in general, yeah. I mean, that's, I don't know how much of a secret that is. I mean, yeah. The homie crazy. You hear this man. Listen. Like I said

It's weird when you're in the music industry And you know shit You don't know if you're supposed to say shit Oh God, I hear you But I'm gonna tell you this You say too much Niggas might try to blackball you I'm too early in this shit

So it's like, you know what I'm saying? It is what it is That's really You can talk around her like that I don't know I mean it does feel like shit It's changed so much Where like the accusation That you had shit written for

You used to seem like the craziest accusation I was watching that Cardi B reality show On Netflix the other day And some guy like performed and he was pretty good and Cardi was like you should write for me and everybody laughs yeah I'm like man time's done changed yeah now that shit definitely changed because like you could write for people that nobody cares long as the song I yeah yeah I feel like there's been so many people like the Drake thing was such a big deal on that happened but now like because like I have actual evidence

that's happened on my show on other people's shows of six nine not writing his own shit to me it's like concrete evidence he doesn't write his own shit nobody even wants to talk about it's Nobody wants to make videos about it. Nobody gives a fuck. Because 6'9 is more of an entertainer. Yeah. He's not a rapper. Everybody's just accepts it from him.

It's like, of course he doesn't write his own shit. Why would he? Exactly. He's a character. He's just a character. So nobody gives a fuck. But if you heard somebody like Jay Colden write that shit, then you're like, oh shit, nah, we got a blast.

You know what I'm saying? That's blasphemy. Yeah, that would definitely be a little weird. But Cardi B too, it's like, Cardi B is an entertainer. In terms of you writing shit, though, were you just looking at it like, well, fuck it, I'll do it. I need money. I'll write some fucking shit.

I don't care. Keep it true. I was looking at it like, this is a stepping stone for me to get where I'm going. Like Chris Brown, I met so many niggas writing for other niggas. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I was just looking at it like a stepping stone. But the thing is this. Like, when you're writing for other people, they want to keep you a secret.

Not in the sense of they want people not to know you writing for them. More in a sense, like, you're not going to be an artist. You know what I'm saying? It's like you're not going to be an artist, but you know what I'm saying? You could meet other people and shit. Like you meet, you get a lot of resources. but as in the terms of you being the actual artist they're kind of trying to keep you away from that

because they want to take your good shit exactly because then you're competing with them you feel me especially if you're from the same hood or some shit like that so you feel like you had to leave behind the writing shit in order to sort of become yourself publicly i mean i just felt like me giving up my shit the the return wasn't it wasn't worth it you know what I'm saying

It's like I'm giving you million dollars songs I'm hearing shit on a radio You paying me fucking crumbs I'll be poor I fucking eat out I eat noodles forever Before I do that You know what I'm saying

Now when I was at that point Of where my mentality was It's like I didn't have that growth yet So I had to Learn and like see that It was not a fair exchange So fuck it You might as well

Because it's like, if you're doing that, then picture how low they're looking at you. Like, I'm giving this a nigga. Whoa, whoa, what, I'm saying? And this motherfucker, I'm making millions off this motherfucker. You're a fucking peasant, basically. Niggas are never treating me like that. But in terms of how I felt myself, that's why I felt like. Like, I'm writing hits for niggas and shit.

I'm in this motherfucker trying to fucking can't even get a motherfucking pair of pamperst in this bitch. You feel me? So it's like, why am I doing this? I mean, it's like a good position for somebody who's not trying to be out there on front street, but at a certain point, it's like you want the respect for the shit that you're capable of. To be a ghostwriter is to permanently not get the respect. Yeah.

That's what you're signing up for is to keep your mouth shut. Yeah, exactly. And my thing is this, everybody know that I could rap, you know what I'm saying? Niggas in the streets, niggas in the industry, they know like, this niggas a good rapper. Now, that means nothing to. who execs are like people that's actually making money off the shit, they just think you were very talented. And you know, that shit can mean a lot to a nigga like me that ain't putting out platinum

CDs. But at the end of the day, it's not good enough to like be in a rim like these, where these people are your peers. You know what I'm saying? It's like, oh, this nigga good, he good, but it's not in the fact of like you ain't got no album sales, you ain't doing numbers. So it's like nobody cares. I mean, yeah, it's like writing shit for somebody makes a lot of sense if you are

making a lot of money. Because you're making a lot of bread and it makes sense. And certain people as songwriters get to the point where they're making a lot of shit, a lot of money. But like being just like an in-house dude who's working with some other artists. Yeah, that's out. That's gonna go nowhere. So everybody that's writing shit and you in-house is gonna go nowhere.

Right. Because they have no plan on doing nothing for you. It's just write my shit. I'm gonna give you these couple hundredts and cool. Right. So now that you're fully like in the game, you sign and shit, right? Yeah. So now, how do you feel like you have to move

in terms of actually building up your solo career for real? I mean, for me, I feel like, it's like, no pun intended. You feel me, but like, it's a marathon. You feel me? So it's like you're really building brick by brick, especially now. Like, I could blow up. I could probably go write a song

that'll blow me up tomorrow. But it's like, do I want that? Not really, because it's like, I ain't in it to be famous. that'll make you famous you get some money and be famous but like we all know it's so many artists out here that had that hit that overnight success and we don't talk about them niggas right now i don't want to be that guy i want niggas to look at me like yo how this nigga is up here with the greats so i feel like with that being said i got to build brick by brick you know what i'm saying

song by song no that's true for sure i mean nowadays if you're not going to be a rapper who's basically just going to be a fucking stream machine, a meme, somebody who's just going to come out and just like, you know, make a bunch of shit that's going to do well in the short term. I feel like, you know, like, just I was listening to somebody do a radio interview with Dave East the other day and he was just straight up. Like, he's like, I know I'm not going to be somebody who comes out and just makes a million dollars overnight. It's like, this is a real career.

Like, I'm signing up to like build up a long-term personality, identity in the public eye to be able to monetize in the long run. I feel like if you're not a cartoon, if you're the kind of guy. who just is like a real person, a real rapper, and you're not chasing after the money from getting 12-year-olds to stream your shit. You've got to be willing to sign up to, like, really build a career, you know?

Yeah, so that's basically what it is. There's a lot of people respect like that, too. I look at like Vince Staples' career. He never had, like, a moment where he, like, really tried to go out and become a pop star. But he's just, like, keeps grinding and grinding. And, like, I really respect people who are able to, like, create careers out of that sort of.

That's what I'm on. Like, I'm trying to just grind. You feel me? And just take that shit to the person. pinnacle because like overnight, that shit ain't for me. I don't want to just do some shit and just be streamed up for a couple of months and be over. Like you trying to find that same success. Like you fucking addicted to crack because you gotta find it.

Because once you don't got it, nobody talking about you because that's what they know you for. And then sometimes I feel like just my opinion, like people that do have that success at that moment, it's like if you don't come out with another song. or whatever meme, whatever the fuck it is, that's at that level. Your shit could be hot as fuck. You could have the hottest shit.

But if it ain't hot as your last one, or better then, nobody gives a fuck. It's like, that nigga doing bad now. That nigga only did 3 million fucking streams. My nigga, that last shit did 50 million. This nigga's a bump. It's crazy then when you realize how many people's streams is fake.

How many people's YouTube views is fake? That too. That too. I'll be seeing that shit every day. I'd be looking at that niggas like this nigga got 5 million followers. Now, me, I'm a small. I'm gonna really calculate your shit.

So you probably got like 250. Once you hit that 250, you was like, let me go get three millions. So just to make it look good, get more money. You know what I'm saying? There's a rapper that I still to this day cannot fuck with because he bought 100,000 views for his interview back in the day. And even though now I don't think that's that out of the ordinary,

it was just like so obvious and I know he did it. And every time I see him in person, I'm just like, ugh. Nasty, motherfucker. I don't, ugh. That niggie, try to run it up. views on that motherfucker like i know these are because these motherfuckers ain't equating to no dollars what the fuck is this i can't monetize this shit no it's just like and now he's like he's got like a real career and stuff like i don't know a real career but shit seems like

it's going better for him but i'll never be able to forget them fake vusie bot whatever so what do you got on the way i mean shit i got more music on the way more more videos you feel me um i'm gonna be dropping a uh tape soon you feel me So, like, I'm just, my shit all music-oriented. You feel me? Real spillish. That's dope, though. I mean, I feel like you, you definitely have the talent to be, like,

one of these sort of long-term, L.A., hardcore, actual rappers that doesn't have to, like, try to fall back on some bullshit. Yeah, yeah, good-looking. Yeah. Appreciate you coming through, man. Mandatory, good looking for having me, man. Life. Let's do it.

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