No Jumper - The Lil Seeto Interview: West Coast Drill Rap, Being White, Dissing Dead Opps & More

Episode Date: October 20, 2022

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No Jumper, coolest podcast on the world, and today we're in here with an upcoming superstar by the name of a little Cito. Yes, sir. How you doing, Doug? I said doing good and blessed. Just touchdown. Right. From where? Where are you staying at right now?

I'm down south right now, like Jackson, Mississippi. That's where I'm staying right now. Really? What are you doing out there? My people moved out there because, like, my pops is from there. So I'm staying out there because just base out the way, you know, and it's cool. It ain't, it ain't no, not a whole lot of, I mean, there's a lot of going on, but, you know, I know how to, like, wiggle through it to where I'm, like, just focused on my music.

Because you're kind of attracting a lot of attention in Washington right now? Yeah, yeah, that and, like, being in your own city when you're coming up, when you're coming up is, like, it's not a way to go, especially in Washington really yeah because a lot of a lot of manish that has happened to people coming out of Washington that were coming up really yeah like who or what uh shit tan the money he from south seattle he got killed uh after he did a show uh same thing with juice the god and one of my partners one of my homies gonna gov he just got shot like two days ago damn i know when i interviewed little mozie back in the day that he basically said that he was the only relevant artists or whatever.

I mean, at that time, he was, really. But I just remember, like, people sending me links to, like, fucking Reddits or message boards or some shit, like, a bunch of people who had been rapping there for a long time and were fucking furious about him saying that. Yeah, because, like, in Washington, it's, like, there's no one who's, there's, there's not a lot of people who have came up that are just, like, rapping, like, talking shit. Like, yeah, the vibe about the bitches, the cars, the money, the drugs, that shit will blow up. You feel me?

Washington, there's a lot of undiscovered, like, people who could really rap, like, could really talk shit, like, the homie Mike Jack, like, like, Washington's got a lot of talent. It's just, you know, it's not, it hasn't been brought to the spotlight yet. Right. So that's what I'm trying to do because I'm the first, I'm the first, other than Mosy, I'm the first rapper, like, for example, like on here. Like, I'm the first to do a lot of shit. So I'm trying to make a voice for Washington for, like, rappers, you feel me? So it's not just like, like, I fuck with the, you know, the vibes, shit, the, the,

cool as shit like the you know but you think maclmore's punching the air right now that like despite all that he did i mean kind of gets left out of that conversation i feel like i feel like i feel like macklemore doesn't have no more explaining to do you feel me because like yeah he don't got no more what do you mean like he like he like all the records he broke all the huge songs he did the thing about mcclmore's he's a genius bro like all the like amazing like what it's not even like just him it's just like the song like the records he makes Like he has, like, crazy, like, choruses. You know what it is?

Is that he's white and he's, like, positive. Exactly. You know? It's the combination of those two that a lot of people just don't really recognize it as rap music whereas, like, chance the rapper. Positive, like, content-wise. You could kind of put him in a similar category of McElmore, I guess,

where it's a little bit more wholesome. But he's a black dude, so everybody thinks him as a rapper, even though, I don't know, if he was white, maybe they wouldn't think of him that way. It's, like, it's kind of weird how that is. For white rappers, it's more like, it's, like, it's not easy. You know, like, it's, it's, you get underestimated off the jump. Like, people, like, people don't, like, at first when they hear a white rapper, they think of something bad at first.

They don't think, like, he's actually talking shit. They just think, oh, white boy, he from, he, he, he, he's not this, he not that, you know, whoop-ty-whoop. So I feel like you are kind of the, like, Eminem thing where it's like you have to really. go in lyrically you really want to prove yourself because you got to prove that you're capable of hanging with these guys like me yeah for sure yeah because like like like I feel like like my whole career was built off of underestimations you know so a lot of people was telling me my shit was weak was telling me like like like you know why he he's he's this he's that he's from here he's from there so me I was just like like it's cool it's whatever

with me because you know whether i'm white i'm whatever you know i'm still i still stand on business no matter what you for me so but like i don't really try to like portray that like you don't see me like posting no guns posting no drugs you don't see me on like like you know like because there has to be that desire to like overcompensate yeah exactly because like some people like that really like aren't like that they try to overdo it right like they feel the need to prove they're like that because like you you ain't You won't find no videos of me flashing no guns on camera of me, like, posting no nothing on camera, because that's not a way to do shit, you know?

Like, I feel like I've learned from a lot of other people's mistakes, you know. But you kind of know that if you had 10 guns in your next music video, that people would be posting that shit, and it would be more viral just because people are like, I can't believe this kid is waving guns around the video. For sure, yeah, exactly. So it's like, I just, I try to keep, there are certain things that belong on the internet. There's certain things that don't belong on the internet. One thing is, like, guns and shit. Like that shit

Keep that shit on your waist Don't you don't got to post that shit on the internet That's that's lame to me Right It's kind of crazy like when you think about Like I've been watching a bunch of stuff About like the kind of early days of the drill Scene in Chicago and stuff

And there was like this time period where All the drill rappers in Chicago didn't realize That they can't That they couldn't just post Everything on Twitter and shit And that's the era where you have Like a very young King Vaughan Basically like alluding to all these murders

or crimes that they are out are now acting like were really him because like at that time motherfuckers didn't really have that thing in their head of realizing like oh the cops are going to see all this shit whereas in comparison now you never see dirk say anything really incriminated on social media he might say some shit in a song that's incriminating but he's he's not going to do it on twitter yeah but like i fucked with vun like a lot right you know like poli's gonna see your shit they know where you're from because you say it in every song and you've got it on your necklace you feel me right so like but I feel like Vaughn was a genius that's something about Von he was a genius you know people can throw whatever on his name but Vaughn was a genius he was a

goat for sure he turned like the the gang war into more content than anybody ever before I think like he kind of made it super easy for people to understand the BDs and the GDs and who their ops were and he like just the music was great but he also did a better job than probably anybody else in Chicago history of getting people to really pay attention to all these different characters and to create like real drama for the people out of it. Yeah but when there's but when there's like 14 year old kids from fucking Burbank the suburbs of Burbank saying slide for Vaughn or fucking or all this of that shit's lame. That's why I can't but I can't be that mad at those kids who are doing that cringy ass shit and leaving those comments on no jumpers Instagram because

Vaughn's the one who laid it out for them like exactly so like but like Like one thing I don't like is when people like jump into shit that's not their business. You know, like, like, like actually taking like real life beef, like people really die behind this and like they take it as like a joke. Like like with the bond, all that other shit like. Right. People like think that shit's like a game. But like people don't realize like people really die behind that beef. You feel me?

So all these fans trying to pick sides, like trying to be like, oh, he's better. he's better he's better this that like that's shit lame to me yeah it's definitely lame but then it's also just like very understandable because by these dudes making their content about that shit you kind of can't blame the kids for wanting to pick sides and treat it like a fucking sporting event where they're rooting for one side you know yeah my thing's just like bro listening to fucking music yeah like stop like you know that's but you're smoking on some ops in your music who me yeah yeah because i got like like like but i'm not i'm not i'm not not I'm not no imposter you feel me you know so you know I'm not gonna go on here saying

nothing stupid but you know like I'm not you know I'm not just talking no bullshit you know like I know what I've been through I know what I know like what I stand on I know what the people around me stand on I know like I know myself you know what I'm saying so that's why I say like I don't got to prove shit to nobody right you know like like I said I stand on business but I don't got to like pretend like I'm the hardest person in the world because I'm not you know what I'm saying no one like there's always someone bigger there's always someone stronger there's always someone who got a bigger gun there's always you know so I just don't really you know I don't really feel the need to like show off to people just because people got uh assumptions of me just because

I'm a white boy with glasses and a bowl cut you're right so but being okay being from where you're from is it kind of hard to stay out of the bullshit? terms of having beef with people or getting into conflicts, like this type of stuff that you're kind of rapping about. Yeah, because Washington is, it's a hateful-ass state. That's the thing about it. That's why not a lot of rappers have came up out of Washington because it's a hateful ass state.

You know what I'm saying? And it's tragic, you know, like, it's tragic as hell. Because, like, there's so much talent, like, so many people that don't even, like, they're not even gang banged. They don't even got no ops. They don't even got no this and all that. They're just doing their thing. And, you know, it's just, it's just, um,

fortunate how how people just genuinely like have genuine hate for someone else like when they're doing their own thing you know they're not in jail they're not in the cemetery so I just I salute it you know what I'm saying unless they're not doing no weird shit no fucking weird publicity

stunts or no stuff like that you know you're doing your thing it's natural it's you know it's authentic you know I support it I salute it you know was there anything like one particular event that sort of made you feel like you were in the streets officially or that you had actually ended up in this uh like like in real life or

there's like music said either way i mean like it just seems like you have had a lot of real life situations at least based on the fact that i hear you like dissing people and seeming to have been through a bunch of stuff i mean you know like like i said early you know there's some things that are meant to be on the internet some things that aren't right i'm saying so you can like slip it in a song real quick when it's kind of like artistic Yeah, because like, like, you know, all hypotheticals, if someone asked me like, hey, what does that mean? I could just be like, I don't know what you're talking about. Like if some fucking law enforcement like, oh, oh, what will you say you did that?

I was like, that's just entertainment officer. Right. I'm saying. But like, other than that, like, you know, it's just. I definitely don't want this interview to be included in the little Cito Rico case. Yeah. It's my fucking crazy. But, okay.

So what was the music that you were listening to when you were real young that? made you obsessed with rap and at what age did this happen? I was real young. I was real young and one of my neighbors had a it was like an easy E disc it was like one of the real like CDs right it was the straight out of Compton album and I think that was an NWA album or was there it was called straight out of Compton it was the whole NWA thing right but that album but EZE was a big one Wayne was a big one and uh like I didn't mention this in my last interview but like I fuck a whiz Khalifa too.

Khalifa's hard he made you want to smoke weed I don't do drugs you don't smoke weed I don't do no drugs you rap about it don't you know you rap about porn foes I don't know okay some things meant to be on the internet some things aren't why you got cases huh have you uh have you uh any legal issues no you can't even acknowledge that no I'm straight it's you know I'm good right now you know I'm I'm doing good I'm I'm healthy you know my people healthy right you know I'm just just making music right now you know so at what point did you start putting the music out that we were you always putting it out or always shooting videos were you like a clever enough kid to figure all that shit up uh recording I

I figured that out myself like I just I was watching YouTube videos like just doing it on the computer yeah like audacity you know shit like that that's when I would record where I would record my first songs and And then, like, when quarantine hit is when I really learned how to mix and master my own stuff. And I started recording and releasing all my own music. And since, like, a year ago, like, that's when I, like, a year ago, like, is when I stopped. Like, that's when I started, like, going to the studio for everything. Right.

You know, because, like, because, like, there's some things that need to be done that you can't do. Right. You know, it's like, it's sometimes it's too much to handle. You know, like, sometimes you can't really. sit for three or four hours and master a song. Right. So you go to the studio. This dude's been doing it for a couple years.

He's a professional. You know, shout out my boy, Steph. I've been, I've been, that's the only engineer I work with. It's cool to be able to know how to do it, but then also at a certain point, it's like, if I were editing my own podcast, my life would be a fucking nightmare. Yeah, because, because you've got a whole bunch of other shit going on, you know. So, like, when shit started blowing up, you know, I started doing more video shoots. I started doing, like, like, uh, like clothing things, like collaboration.

Like that's when like I was like and I was still going to school. So that was like that was a it was a rocky period for me to be able to record my own music. So I was just like you know I take Uber to the studio pay him come back. You know, it was a whole lot easier. Okay. But so you're just like kind of making music. Are you putting videos out on YouTube and having them not really do anything for a while? Yeah. It wasn't for a while like believe it or not it was not for a while. Like I released my first music video. I think it was. It was December 2020. Uh-huh. And then my music, like, blew up on TikTok May 2021. Really? And was it, like, your TikToks, or was it people just using your music? It was my TikToks. It was, like, like, the first video I ever made, like, with me in front of a microphone,

my phone propped up and me, like, having the lyrics on the screen, like, the first video I ever did blew up. Really? Yeah, it did, like, I think it's at, like, 800K now. And then, so I saw that blow up, and I was like, okay, this works. so I'm just going to keep going with it you know so I kept doing the TikToks and then it grew my streams

and I was like like this shit's real like I never like I know this is corny like you hear a million people say it like I never thought my life will be like this but really I did not think my life was going to be like this really because like I don't even know I'd explain it but the type of music you're making realistically there's no fucking white people who make that kind of music

or at least are successful like On the West Coast. Yeah, as rappers, yeah, you could look at like a logic or Eminem or a McElmore or whatever, but like Jack Harlow. But like, let's be real, these guys are all like a very special sort of category as rappers. They're not exactly like when I hear somebody like you, I'm thinking that you're probably influenced by like Mazi and like all this other shit coming out of Northern California. It's a different wave that you haven't really seen white people have much success in. Drill type music, not that you're drill, but like, you know, street type music like that. It's not really a white man's game for the most part.

Yeah, I'm the only white boy on the West Coast doing it. Like, East Coast, you know, like I am. But on the West Coast, that's like really like, yeah, I'm coming up, but like I've got like a healthy amount of motion right now. Like humbly, I say that. So like I'm the only like, like I said, only white boy on the West Coast doing what I'm doing. You know, so. So the fact that it just kind of blew up out of nowhere,

that must have been kind of overwhelming for you at first. to have a bunch of attention on you, even if it's like a couple hundred thousand on TikTok at first. Like, it must have been kind of wild to see these opinions rolling in, right? I mean, it was when the stream check started rolling in. Like at first,

like once I, like, once I, like my first United Masters check was, uh, it was $800. Right? So like,

once I got that, it was kind of like a little relief because like, like, at the time when I got my first United Masters check, I was doing my second ninth grade year. You feel? Like I got held back because I failed on my class. Like I was never a student.

Right. You know, because like elementary, junior high, like, I was filling classes, getting suspended, getting expelled, all of this, all of that. And, like, I was never a student. My parents knew that, too. But they felt like it was the right thing to do, like, you know, at least fucking try to stay in school, like, at least go, you know. But, like, I wasn't picking nothing up.

I wasn't learning nothing. And I knew that I wasn't meant to be, like, I knew I wasn't meant to be. And I'm, like, I'll self-admit, like, I know when some shit sounds corny, like, Like, I know it sounds corny when I say I wasn't meant for no regular life. You know what I'm saying? But it's just, it's just the closest. It's just the truth. I could say that about myself too, where it was just like.

Like, could you see yourself working like like at a FedEx or like a regular 9-15? Well, I've worked regular jobs. Like I worked at the fucking supermarket. And my memory of working in the supermarket is literally just like every shift was eight hours of me thinking about how I had to figure out how to not be doing this job. Because I could not handle it. When you feel like you're meant for something bigger than what you're doing, you start thinking and you start plotting. Like I worked one job and it was for like three weeks.

Right. I was fucking making smoothies and shit. Right. And that was just to like, you know, get extra money for videos, like for music videos and studio time. Because that's what I wanted. So I was like, shit, you know, I'm not, you know, I'm trying to stay my ass out of trouble. You know, I ain't trying to go to jail. You know, I'm not trying to go to jail.

I ain't trying to die. You know what I'm saying? So I'm just stay out the way of all the bad shit. You know, I'm going to fuck with the legal money. You know, I don't got no, no felonies, no nothing on my, like, I don't got nothing on my legal record, you know, so. Like, if you have that mentality, like, when I'm talking about me being in the grocery store, it's like if you're thinking about how to get money quickly so that you don't

have to be in this situation working at the grocery store, it's like your mind is just going to go to crime pretty quickly. Yeah, for sure. easier to make it's way I don't want to say way easier but it's way more available for you to make money illegally than legally like the rapping thing even when I was a kid rapping never even crossed my mind as a way to make money and if I was to have pursued rapping think about how long I would have to grind before I could maybe get signed by a label like you have an opportunity to just be able to make a TikTok and get that much attention right away is pretty unbelievable one thing like

speaking of TikTok one thing that I don't like nowadays is how people are too cool for it right You know, people feel like TikTok is like for little kids. It's just like all you do, all TikTok is just people dancing and doing bullshit. Like people don't realize like there's people making millions off of TikTok. Right. Like the homie Lil Zelle, like he's like his like people don't realize how like, how crazy your life can change from a post on a phone. Definitely. Like you don't need like nowadays, nowadays is the easiest time to blow up.

You don't got to go to no corner and sell no CD. because no one's going to buy them. Right. No one has it, like, realistically, no one got no CD players. If you're selling CDs, you're basically a crackhead. Exactly. No one has the laptops where you can stick. Like, there's no. No.

They don't have, no one got boom boxes no more. Right. Like, that's not the way. So nowadays, in this day and age, with social media, it's the easiest time to blow up in rap. Right. And music in general, like, right now is the easiest time for sure. Yeah, like TikTok, I mean, I know people have a million. and millions and millions of followers on TikTok.

And it's like just because they bothered to take the time to learn the app, to figure out the kind of stuff that might work, et cetera. And when I look at me, it's like I already had YouTube and already was making good money on YouTube. So it's like, to me, it wasn't as immediately attractive to like just jump in and start doing TikToks. Now I'm trying to get into it more with my girl and my kid and shit, just having fun on it and just finding like little pieces of the day that I can sort of put on TikTok, you know.

But yeah, I mean like realistically these like TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, whatever, these are all just like the hubs for promoting yourself at this point of time. So if you're somebody who's trying to figure out how to make something on nothing, you got to figure out how to take advantage of all these things. I got over a million followers on Snapchat. And it's just like weird when I think about it. If I had never posted on Snapchat, I just would not have that audience. Exactly. Even though it doesn't work right now. And I haven't been able to post in like six months.

I'm actually not using my audience in there right now. Yeah, but like I said, nowadays, there's a lot of, a lot of ways to make money easier. There's a lot of ways to make it in the digital way. Yeah. Like YouTube, Twitch, uh, music, you know, shit like that. Like right now is the easiest time. Okay. So that, that one TikTok goes up and then where, where do you go from there?

Just keep doubling down and doing the same type of shit. And it was just you rapping, right? Yeah. It was just like, it was like, okay, this works. time to do it again okay so I posted another one it did half a million in a day then the third video I ever posted on my music 2.8 million you know and then my thing was just keep posting because before that you're writing lyrics on a fucking notebook right or on your phone or something yeah I got all my notebooks still like in my room and now it's like every single verse that

you write is a tic-toe yeah yeah that could potentially be seen by millions of people yeah like every song I do I post because you never know what can blow up and what doesn't because when I did the cipher you know we like it dropped and my team was like we got to turn this shit into a real song and I was like I'm not going to lie bro I think his best it just stays as a cipher you know I don't really I don't really think it's a smart decision and then my manager was like my manager was like you know most of the time I'll trust you but I already booked your flight for You're coming to Miami. We're shooting this video.

I was like, I don't got no choice, you know? When you look at it now, does it seem like that was a good idea? 100%. Okay. 100%. With how the song did,

how, like, the whole reaction, like the whole reaction it had, like every YouTuber, Twitch streamer reacted to it. Right. Like, that shit was crazy, bro. Like that whole little moment, it's like,

like the song's still doing, the song's still doing 100K streams a week. Wow. You know, like, it's still going crazy. It's just, you know, Like the whole like in that moment it was just it was crazy because like I posted my cypher verse on TikTok It hit like a hundred K in two hours and I posted on my Instagram story and I went to sleep

And then I woke up my manager Marty he's set up in my story. He was like it's about I had a million now and I was like what? So I woke up to it and I opened my TikTok it was at 900k So I was like oh shit So then like whenever I had a million views I'm like yeah, that's crazy But like it doesn't really like go too far past it But went to 2 million, 3 million, 4 million. One of the other people on my team was like, it's not going to go past 6.

Right now it's at like, I think, 12 million. Oh, look for it. Yeah. And the cipher, like the YouTube video, 2.5 million views. The internet shooter music video, just me, 2.5 million views. Right.

And the one with Blueface, it has like 800K, but that shit got shadow banned. It did. Yeah, because like if you look up Louis Cito internet shooter, the only thing you see is the audio. and like you have to physically click on my channel but you got blue face on the remix of that song

yeah why did it get shadow been you think because i'm realizing right now have you watched the video i haven't seen it because i i i'm fucking searched like so i i could tell you it's definitely shadow band because i was like searching your name scrolling for like a long time like trying to find every last video of whatever the fuck you've ever had on youtube and i did not see I think I think what it was it well I know what it was it was like Chris on rock was sucking blue faces toes in the video There was like bitch there was girls shaking ass everywhere there was like there was a whole lot of shit going on But I think the the toe sucking did it that happens to us on here we'll have random videos get age restricted and then that exact like it'll be The game interview was like straight up getting so many views and then boom just age restricted just flat

bro I posted the music video snippet on ticot because that's what I do with all my videos to promote it bro my tic-tok account got banned i had a million followers my shit got banned for like two two three weeks for just posting her sucking the toes yes bro like i like i posted the end of my verse and then blueface coming in and then the fucking second shit like that shit got banned for like bro that shit was that shit broke my that's crazy you work with blueface and you just get a bonus like you think you're lucky that you get bonus kishan rock in the video and then all of a sudden it's No, you are not so lucky. It actually ruins the whole thing.

Like, not necessarily ruins it, but it ruins the whole. Like, it's a dope video. Yeah. It's fire. You know, the whole, like, the whole team from the video, my boy, Jolo, like, my whole team putting it together, the plan, the location, you know, everything was perfect. I love that video. I got to check it out.

It's just like, it broke my heart when my TikTok got banned for it. Because, like, because, like, I was working, bro, like, like, That TikTok account was like the start of my success. And now I was like, bro, shit, it's over, you know. But realistically in the back of my head, I was like, I'm going to bounce back. You got it back, though? Yeah, I got it back. And I made like four more accounts.

I got, I got like two or three other accounts. They got like over $10,000 on them. Okay. You know, so I just, yeah. So I was just like, okay, this shit got banned. Do I sit here and be sad about it or do I get the fuck up and do something about it? Right. I'm going to shoot some more content.

I'm going to post more content. I'm going to post more music on each one of these. accounts and then you know just just keep moving forward because I'm not just gonna sulk be like oh my god my shit got deleted I'm at this over no bro how did you actually get on that fizzler uh cipher though how did you signed was fizzler right I did not oh okay you just put some videos out with them and stuff yeah so with thisler so this is a funny story right so the first time I heard a thizzler it was the uh it was like they do these like city to city tours on Instagram live right so

it was Washington Spotlight. So this was like mid-2020. It was like August 2020, I believe. And I get on, like it says, that Dizzlers accept you to be in the live and the little like circle comes on. I'm like, oh shit, oh shit. Like I'm not, I knew I wasn't ready

because like at that time, like I wasn't really like, I wasn't really like good at doing shit on the spot. So like, and there was like, there was like, I don't remember like six, 700 people watching. I was nervous. I was like, oh shit, like I'm really feeling like, this is the first life I've ever been on. And I got on, I started rapping. Like, I got on like an idiot, bro.

I'll show you the video. It's embarrassing. Like, I fucking, I came in. I was yelling. And then, like, I knew I was going to run out of breath. And if you fuck up, like, if you stutter, like, you mess up a bar, he kicks you off. So I was like, uh, no, no. And I closed out my Instagram app.

And I turned my phone off for like two hours. Wow. Yeah. And then I'll turn my phone off. phone back on bro was humiliating really and people were giving you a lot of shit for it hell of people everyone posting it reposting it telling me to quit like this is like that like that was the moment where I was like all right I'm pissed off but I'm not gonna like but I'm gonna take my anger out on my music you know I'm

gonna like I'm gonna put my anger I'm gonna put my emotion towards music you know I'm not gonna do no stupid shit you know so I'm just gonna keep moving forward like yeah everyone takes losses like The greatest of the great take losses. Right. So, like, once I see, oh, look at this, like, real legend. Look how he came through this. Look how he prevailed through this.

It's just like, okay, he did it. I could do it too. Because I don't put myself in no position to where it's like, oh, I can never be where he is. Right. Because, like, because proving people wrong is a great feeling. But proving yourself wrong is a different type of great. Right. So, like, if you ever think, like, no.

I can never be this. Like I can never be the like I can never be the best podcast in the world. Right. But like, like you did it, you know? Like I'm not lying. Like you, you really, you really did it. And I was, I was, I was also like, like when you say you wanted to put the interview emotion, I was like, this shit is crazy. Because like I remember I came across your shit first time. The first time I saw you, it was the ex interview. Right. I was a real big ex fan. My, good to hear. Real, real, real big ex fan. And I remember like, like, like, six. seeing like how you asked your questions, like how like how you would keep the conversation going, how it wasn't just dry. I was like, I admired that and I subscribed. And, you know, I kept up with like the whole little pump tour. Like my man, you know my manager, Dune? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he's your manager right now. Yeah, I didn't know that. Wow.

Yeah. Yeah. I kept up with like the whole little pump tour like all the, all the other rappers you work. I know there's some I'm not going to name, but there's a couple other rappers you worked with that I, that I, that I fucked with. at the time and you know i was like like this shit's crazy and and i got i got a piece of paper like from one of the notebooks i used to write in like it was in like 2019 and like one of the goals was to be on a no jumper will be on no jumper uh that's honestly amazing to here that's so cool it's it's amazing to be here you know and i'm not gonna you know go all crazy and shit but it's it's definitely a great feeling and doing it so young because like i don't feel like i

don't feel crazy young, you know, but, but like, when I really sit back and think, like, like, the people around me, like, the people who I associate with on a day-to-day basis, like, are grown, like, mid to late 20s. Like, I don't hang out with nobody my age, you know? So. Old soul. Yeah. So it's like, it's not even old soul.

I just can't stand people my age, bro. It's just they're immature. Right. Because, like, for example, like, you've seen that TikTok trend when people would, like, destroy the school bathrooms and shit. Yeah, okay. Like, that shit. Like, that just showed me, I was like,

bro, I can't fit in here. That's like, you have a lot of energy and absolutely nothing to put it into that could be constructive or beneficial to you're in your own life. So you end up just... So you ripping soap dispensers off the walls. Like, bro, people at my, like, old school

was, like, throwing chairs and toilets, fucking, like, broke, like, kicking sinks off the wall, breaking mirrors, like, just like doing a whole bunch of, like, It's like what are you really doing? Yeah, what are you really doing? You're fucking up a janitor's day. Like, you don't got to clean this.

You don't got to pay for it. Your mom, so you're fucking up a janitor's day. You're fucking up your mom and dad's wallet. The school's budget, right, yeah. Exactly. The school that, like, only has so much money to buy school supplies and pay the teachers or whatever. And then now they have to buy a new sink because some dick kicked it out.

Exactly. Which for sure I was doing ignorant ass shit when I was a kid, but I looked back at that. Oh, for sure. Just like, that's dumb. But, like, I did my ignorant shit when I was like, nine like when I was really young because that was when I used to skate so like I was big into skateboarding and uh that's when I would do stupid shit like stealing from stores like breaking shit smoking like doing all this doing like just doing bad shit yeah you know just like getting into fights like

getting into this getting that getting expelled like I feel like I did all the all the fun shit early right you know but so how did you turn the humiliating Thizzler Instagram live experience into an actual relationship with them where you were on the cipher and everything. I just kept grinding. I just didn't give up. Okay. Because a lot of people ask me that

and I have the same answer every time because if I would have just, like it would have been easy to give up, but it was hard to get on the cipher. It was hard when almost every, like almost every Thizzler live you watch on YouTube, I'm on their rapping. Because no matter how, like, and I still do it. Like I did it like two, three days ago.

Because no matter how big I get, no matter how small I am, it's just, you know, there's always someone new who can see my thing, my, my music, you know. So I'm not big, like, I don't care if there's 10,000 people watching. Like, there'd be like five, six hundred, a thousand people watching. And, like, I still jump in because I know there's some people in here who haven't heard my music. There's still some people who haven't, who don't know who I am, you know. So how I got on the cipher was, so after I fumbled on that live,

I went back on in like September and like I like I didn't fumble like I ripped this shit and then he was like C Lee was like you know keep doing your thing like keep going and then in December I got my first highlight and a highlight means like they tag you on their story and then next week they post you on their main Instagram page and that's and that's huge. Dizzler like like when you're up and coming like Dizzler is like it's like that's like unreachable right you know but like when you really reach it and when when when you really reach it and when when. You're grinding on their lives almost every night. And when you get a text from one of the guys that says, like, I see you. Like, I know we haven't been, like, talking, but I see you. Like, we rock with you. We want to throw you on the cipher this year. And I was like, damn.

Like, the moment I received that text is when I knew my heart dropped. Because, like, I brought it up in the past and they kind of, like, you know, laughed it off or whatever. But I was like, for sure. So then I got on it. And we had and the cipher, they did like five ciphers, the cipher we did, we had the most viral cipher across the you could look at XXL, you could look at any other cipher. We had the most viral cipher of 2020. Wow. And I had the most like, you know, humbly.

Like I'm not no egotistical person, nothing, but like I had the most viral cipher verse of 2022 myself. So you wrote that verse just for that cipher? Yeah. Do you think that because you knew it was going to be such a big platform that that made you go home? hard. I just knew like yeah it was a big platform but I also knew what I could do. Like I know that like I have the marketing shit down like I know how to market my music. I know how to market a video. I know how to how to promote a song. You know like I know what will pop and what won't pop. But I'm still trying new things every day. You know because I'm still open minded to you know trying this,

trying that because like at first I wasn't open minded to TikTok bro. I was just like my mindset was Like, and I told me and the Homo was talking about this the other day. So I was like, bro, like, you've got to get on TikTok. Like, like, if you're just dropping your music for it to get 1,000, 2,000 views on SoundCloud and hoping somebody big and influential hears it, you are never going to make it. And that sucks to say because, but I can comfortably say the SoundCloud rap wave where people are getting discovered on SoundCloud's over. Oh, yeah.

Everything is on TikTok. You talk to any A&R at any label, ask them what they're, like, how they find artists. 95% of them are going to say TikTok. Yeah. And that's the truth. That's how my team found me was from TikTok. You know, so I told the homie, I was like, you know, if you're not going to get on TikTok, you're not going to, you're too cool to market yourself. You know, you're not going to make it nowhere.

So, like, I tell all the homies like, like there's, like, you know, I'm in a position, you know, I'm straight. I'm stable. Like, I'm not, I'm not the position where I'm just, like, giving people hand out, like money and shit. Right. But I can give you a lot of game when it comes to this marketing shit. And that creates money. A lot of people don't want to listen because a lot of people, like I said earlier, a lot of people think it's lame.

A lot of people think TikTok's like, they're too cool for it. They're too gangster for it. They're too this. They're too that. Right. So it's like, I mean, I feel like you can point to a fuckload of gangster rappers and be like, look at these guys all making TikToks all the time. I mean, there's probably a lot of guys who don't.

But there's a lot of guys who do. Yeah, me, I'm just on my own thing. You know, that's my own business. When you were beefing with the island. Boys was that marketing or was that real beef? I like usually like I wouldn't like respond but so basically how it started was like I'm just going to keep it short how it started one of the one of the one of the one of the I this was before they did the Island Boy shit right so one of the Island Boys hit me up like talking this like

talking this crazy shit and then like I joined his live and we was talking and you know like I look back on, I think I look stupid, you know, because that's like, you know, like, like, the internet shit. When you look back at that, it's like, it's pretty obvious what their game was for a period of time was they're like, oh, anybody that I could potentially maybe get to beef with me or argue with me is just going to be more attention. So that's just what they were trying to figure out how to do all the time. Yeah, but the thing about the Island boys is, bro, is like, I normally wouldn't even show

them no attention. But the thing about them is, bro, is they don't got no more money coming here. The fucking TikTok views are down. they are both collectively two and two together both dumb as a box of fucking rocks they like like genuinely like with all like you know i'm not no hateful person i'm not no man fuck him he's winning no it's just like like when you saw it go up anybody with a like 10 to 15 IQ could understand that that shit wasn't going to last forever do you think that if you put a lie detector machine on the island boys

and you ask them, are you retarded? They will be like... Like, what do you think their answer would be? And what do you think the lie detector would say? No offense, guys, but... They would be like, what do you mean? That doesn't even make any sense. You're talking about lie detecting and being...

Like, that doesn't even make any sense. Like, bro, it's a simple question. Are you or are you not? Yes or no way you could get them to give a straight answer. Exactly, bro. That doesn't even make any sense. This is like... Like, and, you know, I told them on the live,

I was like, like, I'll see both you all at the same time. Right. Because they're like five, six, 120 pounds put together. You know, they're beefing. I don't know if it's still going on. Yeah, I saw that. That's amazing. That shit was cor, bro.

How you beef with your brother? Bro, that's, and on live? Like that. That shit was corny as hell, bro. Like, and I still stand on it. Like, I'm not, like, I'm not going to go, like, on no social media and talk no crazy shit about them, but I still stand on it. Right.

Like, I still beat the dog shit out of either one of them. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's not no. But. I could see it. But, but. Yeah, but from this point forward, I'm not funking on no lives.

I'm not talking back and forth with nobody through no Instagram, no Snapchat, no Twitter, no fucking nothing. Because if you exchange angry words with the Island Boys, it's like you basically just, they already won. You're giving in to what, yeah, exactly. That's their whole thing. And like, their whole thing was just like when someone would join their lives, like you a pussy.

You a bitch, you this, you that, you're not like that for real. When realistically, they're not either. Because like you see Fly Soldier got checked at a start or one of them whatever They're fucking twins Like he got checked at a Starbucks he was like I know I had no problem with you I was like bro that's how you respond right Like that's how you respond to that

Like bro hey big bro I ain't know it was no like bro what Like don't corn balls right nerds So you've had a couple different situations on like where there's been iPhone videos or whatever Different stuff happening with you I know exactly what you talk about about. Right. So the shit with me at school, that shit is cap. Like, I got it in my I, I think I got it in my IG archive. I can send it to you. This is the AirPods one? Yeah, I got the full video to that. I can send it to that. I can send it to you. I can send it to you. I can send it to you. It was 7th grade, right? So I'll try to find it. I think it's in my, uh, stories archive on my, uh, on this account. So yeah, I got the video. So I'll send it to you. But that shit, bro, you know, we was like it was, I was 12. It was 7th grade, right? So we was fucking around. We was talking. We was doing a little skit. It was revolving. It was revolving. around like like you know the white boy right you know the white boy the white boy the white boy who wears his hood the quiet kid like that was like the little joke we was going for so they fucking

run up on me they take my this that whoop-de-whoop and then I go in the lunchroom and I get like it was like it wasn't a nerve gun but it was like one of those guns that would shoot them little golf balls you feel me so I came out and I fired up everybody with it and that was the full video but what they did was they cut it and they posted that part right you know what I'm saying saying but like that shit. Damn. So the clickbait title got got you there. Yeah. Exactly. I knew something felt weird about it. And it got a lot of people too. And like, and that's why like I've never made no response. Like you're the only person I've like made a response because like it like I know the deal. You know the people in the video like

they they tried to post it and do some cloud chasing shit. And like realistically those people in that video like I'm not even going to I'm not even going to show no attention to it. But you know, It's like, I don't even need to respond to it because like, I know the deal. I saw another one I click on it and says you got backhanded. Bro, in that video. You didn't get backhanded in the video. Bro, listen. So see what I'm saying?

And the person who posted it was somebody who I used to fuck with. But like I stopped fucking with him because he was doing some weird shit. So what happened in that video, bro? We was at this little beach party. Okay. So this motherfucker, I forgot his name. We was like arguing or whatever And then like he was like

Are you from here? And I was like I'm a two five three baby Like I'm from Puyallup you know Right and then and then some other shit And then you notice how the video cuts when I allegedly get slapped Right No I did not get slapped bro So we was there this bitch there was like Like if you see I think you can see in the video

There was bitches that was like Doing some stupid shit They was wild and I got hit in the back of the head with a bottle So that's why I put my glasses back on And like I got hit in the back in a head with a bottle and I felt like one of the homies at the time his name was uh jvion fucking i ran into it and fuck happened bro i don't even remember that shit but all i know is nobody slapped me nobody nobody nobody robbed me i know a lot of people are hoping that happens and like a lot of like

some some other people like are hoping for like oh like realistically they're hoping for me to be the next slim jesus you feel me right right But like, I tell everybody, that's not what it is, bro. Because the thing is with me, when lose or draw, I'll get down. You know what I'm saying? Right. So I'm not going to go on. Like, like, I know a lot of people expect me to like, oh, no, I'm not really, I'm not really this.

I'm not really that. Like, no, bro. So, like, I know a lot of people are waiting for the next, next little, next little slim Jesus moments to come out. But, you know, that's just not going to happen. I mean, it's basically like two different ways to handle yourself, though, right? It's like you could either move around with a gun or with somebody with a gun, et cetera, so that nobody. ever gets a chance to fight you or you could be a guy who's just like hey if you want to fight I'll yeah because like which one are you closer to like why do you ask me that like how am i like how am i

supposed to answer that okay you don't have to answer it you know but but i'll get down but you know i'm i'm safe for sure i'm safe you know i'm safe right but you're not not scared of a squabble you you had to throw hands throughout your life i'm guessing oh yeah that that's one of the main reasons i dropped out of high school was because like you know the iPhone videos a lot of people want to say, like a lot of people want to take pictures of me in the hallways, want to, like, take videos of me doing this stupid shit. So, like, I was getting into fights doing all this other shit. I was getting in trouble, you know, so I was missing school anyways. And I knew this shit was going to keep happening because I was getting more and more lit. You

feel me? So I was just like, man, fuck this shit, bro. Like, I'm out. I saw another clip. I couldn't tell if it was real or not where a guy was like, are you an R&B singer? He's like, are you a rapper? Oh, oh, yeah. I couldn't tell if it was a skid or not. I know what you said? That was at the Thizzler cipher. Oh, what was that? That was, that was my boy, Bulu. He was like, uh, it's Jack Harlow. Yeah.

Now, that shit, that, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, you could see him explaining the, the skits. Like, so I'm gonna come up to you and I'm like, yeah, that shit was a skit that that we was just fucking around. It's crazy, though, because a lot of skits later get repurposed with different titles on social media and they act like it was real. Like, like, I don't like, there's one thing I don't like, there's, one thing I don't like, I fuck with, like, some blog pages, right?

You know, there's, like, a certain few like I like. But, like, there's a certain few I don't like. I like the ones where I feel like they're trying to tell me what actually happened, and I don't like the ones where I feel like they're preying on my appetite for salacious content. Where if I, it's very easy for me to start to feel like an Instagram page is just bullshit. And, like, I'm not going to believe you anymore, you know? Yeah, so my thing is just like, like, when some blog pages post some shit about me, like, you know, I'm cool. Like, I'm cool with it.

You know, it's a promotion. Right. But, like, when some blog pages, like, switch narratives, switch fucking titles and overdue shit. Right. I don't like that. Like, I don't remember the blog page's name, but, like, so me and YG, we was playing football, right? Right. So, you're like, are you familiar with football?

A little bit. Okay, so, like, when a cornerback, like, the defense is guarding the receiver, you push him off the line, you know, to catch him off guard. It's not no illegal shit. It's not like I was like really funkin with him or nothing. It's just, you know, it's a football move. And some blog page posted it was like rapper Lil Cito gets physical with Bompton artist YG. And I was like, bro, what? For sure, that's what they would title it.

Like that shit is corny, bro. Like, if you really like, like me and Jizzle just laughed it off, bro, you know, it was just like, we wasn't getting, like, we was just, we was playing ball. And why the fuck will we get physical on camera when he's a grown man? But it's annoying because it's like you also know that. there's, you know, somebody like YG's been through it all, so he already knows that there's going to be mad, fake news, whatever, like weird ass storylines, but if it was somebody

that you were working with who maybe was not as grown and, like, mature and aware of what the fuck's going on, that they might see it and really think that you fucking actually are trying to clown them or some shit like that. That's what's annoying about it. Yeah, they'll see the post and they'll think I'm trying to clown them because in person is cool.

You know, like, we're straight, you know, but like somebody who don't really have too much experience in this industry and media and blogs and all this, they'll take it as like, hey, bro, like, I just want you to know that's not what happened. And I'm like, I know.

Like, people are trying to, like, cause this shit is, like, they're trying to get us to funk with each other. What's crazy is, if there's a clip, and this is the weird thing to consider, if there's a clip on YouTube that says L'Cito gets punked out or, like, has his shit stolen or whatever the fuck it is,

if it's got 200,000 views, by my back of the napkin math, I'm going to say maybe like 2 million people have seen that thumbnail. and not bothered to click it or just assume that it was true off rip because they don't want to watch a 30 second clip like it's crazy the way that people on youtube are not only making money but like completely incentivized to just spread bullshit yeah and like I used to get mad about it like when I found out that it got posted I was at the I was at the cipher like it got posted at that time so I was like man you know like some viral shit's about to happen now some bullshit's going on like and I just tell like my like my way to my way to address situations is by not addressing them at all you know like silence is the loudest voice there is right you know so I was just like man y'all can say whatever y'all want if one of y'all thinks it's really like that you can see me but other than that it's like you know I don't really got no I don't got to respond to it right because I mean if if you want to be a big artist at some point you're going to have to stop responding to all the little artists exactly it's just a reality of of it is that at a certain point like even with me the people i came in the game with i can't even respond to on social media because they're so much smaller than me that i would be exposing them

to a gigantic new audience so i can't fucking engage with a lot of the people that i used to fucking be cool with people don't realize how like in terms of negative stuff obviously i can be cool with them yeah but people don't realize how many of this business is you know it's a very very very very cutthroat business, very dangerous business, and it's a very, you know, it's a risk. You're like, if you want to be a rapper, it's a real, real big risk, you feel me? It's just crazy, broad of tragedies that have happened in the last decade. It's true. You know what I'm saying?

But you seem very focused on avoiding all that. Yeah, because like, the thing is with me is like, I'm, I'm to a point to where I don't got, like, the people who know me, the people who really grew up with me, like, they, They know me. Like, as long as, like, you know, the day one people that I fuck with, like, they know the deal. Like, I don't got to prove shit to the internet, you know, because the internet, bro, my thing is, bro, y'all can just listen to my music. Like, don't, don't ask me no, you know, no weird shit. It's just, I'm to the point to where, like, I don't, like, I'm not out looking for nobody.

I ain't, like, I'm not out here funking with people. And, like, you know, like, obviously back home, you know, there's like, if we see each other, we know what it is. But I'm not, like, fucking out here screaming to people's DMs like, hey, send me the address, blah. Like, brus, like, you know, we see each other. We see each other. But other than that, I'm not even going to, you know, swing down to, you know, to get into some funk with you. The first time that you have somebody, like, get a tweet off or post something about you on the story or whatever talking shit and you just ignore it. And then, like, 20.

pisses them off. But then like 24 hours later, like, you realize that it wasn't that big a deal. You didn't have to respond and that nobody really cares that you didn't respond. It was never that big in the first place. But if you had responded, it would have blew it up. It would have been way bigger. Because they would have posted. Little Cito responds to alleged this, that, list that.

Right. You know, blogs are going to post this. You know, I guarantee you, I'll see it on 10 blog pages by next Monday. Let's see what they do with it. Oh, yeah. Exactly. In terms of spinning the narrative. I just can't wait for the clickbait to come.

That's what I'm excited for. And now that we're talking about it and we know it's going to come, that's what's going to make it funnier. That's how meta we are, is that we understand what you guys are thinking right now. Y'all are not. Watch us speak and try to pick apart what we're saying. Y'all are not slick. No. I know how this shit goes.

Little C-O. I'm not no ho. Outsmartin you at your own game, folks. You feel me? For real. Okay. So where are you going? all this like who what are the moves that you're planning on making in order to move your

shit forward and and who'd you sign with are you signed it uh I'm under a independent label okay it's like I'm still technically independent I'm under the lights global oh right right right you know but other than that you know I've met with other labels you know and that those they're working themselves out right now you know I'm not gonna go too deep into that but you know it's all it's all working itself out right now like like whenever something happens, everyone's going to see it, you know, but other than that, just best to keep everything behind closed doors and tell, you know, we have some official, you know, because I'm not too big on

overhyping something that's not guaranteed, you feel me? It's like sending a famous rapper, your song, and he's like, you hard, and then posting new song coming with whoop-de-wooop, and then it never happens. Right. So I'm just, you know, I'm just, I'm trying to keep it as quiet as I can't You know but a lot of people I got a I got a single dropping on this Friday Light Year featuring Kye bands

My boy from Fairfield Uh I've been fucking with my boy YG Everybody go get his album I got issues out now Uh I got I got a lot

I got some shit coming You know I'm working on a little project right now I got some shit coming Yeah you're thinking more about the project or more about video by video. I'm thinking like, because I know what I've got going on. It's just like I don't want to let it go publicly yet. You know what I'm saying?

Like I know what's going on behind closed doors. I know what's going on like with me and this artist. It's just I want to be able to shock people. Like I don't want people to be like, oh, yeah, we knew that was going to happen. That's cool. But like, you know, right now I'm just going to, I'm going to keep it as quiet as I can because, you know, marketing. I don't want, you know, I'm trying to keep you as exclusive as possible. I'll tell you after this.

But got a lot of big, big shit coming, big shit coming. You want to surprise the people sometime of the time. Yeah, 100%. But like you said, you want to surprise people from time to time. I love surprising people all the time. Right. Because like no one expected me to make no song of Blueface. No one expected me and YG to be tapped in with each other.

No one expected like me to be on the cipher. No one expected me to be doing millions and millions of views, millions of streams a month. Like people didn't expect that. and like when I really post my like I posted my streams maybe one or two times and it's like damn like people have sort of like

like literally saying like I really did not think you were doing like your numbers was that high right you know so I feel you because like when people really like an interview that's one thing when people are really surprised that I did an interview that's kind of like an even better for sure for sure something about that just taking them a surprise

boo for sure when are you going to get Drake on Well, we had fake Drake on the other day. So that's pretty close, right? Not even. I mean, nah. It's pretty close. I mean, it's as close as like, and it's, I don't think it would be hard to book him.

He's full of shit because, you're right about that. But he's full of shit because he says that he has a song with Drake coming out. And he also, which I think is completely bullshit. But then he also says that he had a conversation with Prime, who's basically like Drake's right-hand man. Cornball. Who basically told him Drake wants nothing to do with you. Stay the fuck away from it.

Cornball. Which that story, I believe. I believe Prime had that conversation with him. If there was someone impersonating me and they were taking it to the level where they were acting like we were like locked in or whatever, I would be like,

bro, what? I don't know you. He's like showing up at like OVO events. Like he's showing up at Drake's hotel and then like Drake's dudes are seeing him in the hotel lobby and they want to beat him up and shit. I didn't even like do that. Like I didn't give a fuck enough to do that much. research, but like, I knew there were some weird shit going on, but like that, that right

there is like, he's doing only fans now and he's trying to rebrand a sexy Drake instead of fake Drake. For everybody who's been dying to see Drake fuck. Here you go. You fucking crazy, bro. Nah, I can, yeah, no. Yeah, no. Yeah.

Nah, not me. Like, if he becomes, like, extremely popular by, by pretending to fuck like Drake, that would be very interesting. That would be very telling because I don't really. That is it. I don't know what the market is for fake Drake porn. I swear to God, he's going to be fucking the Drake songs. For sure.

That's how Drake's going to get him taken down. Drake's going to get his only fan's taking to ever copyright infringement. That's some weird shit, bro. I can't, uh-uh, uh-uh. I could, like, going as far, like that far. Like, impersonating someone in general, but going that far? Like, what the hell? Like, Jesus Christ.

But, hey, when opportunity knocks, when you see that opportunity right there and you're just a random guy, You've got to grab it, even if it means pretending to be Drake and carving a little heart into your hair. I mean, yeah, because no one wants to work a regular job no more. So you got to do what you got to do nowadays. I kind of can't blame them. You know, you got to make. I mean, I can't blame them, but I could definitely call it weird.

Oh, yeah, yeah. That's definitely, like, weird as hell. Yeah, I mean, you're basically turning your whole entire life into like a joke. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's why. Let's say he was. I can name a few, bro. I can name a few, but I'm not going to.

You know, there's definitely some clowns out there for sure. Let's say that deep down inside fake Drake really is, like, the greatest entrepreneur of our time, that he's like a genius. How is he ever going to convince everybody to take him serious when he spent all these years pretending to be Drake? I mean, okay, like, who can I compare? That's like, like, Logan Paul. Yeah. How could we, like, Jake Paul, Jake Paul. We see Jake Paul doing all these skits, all like all this stupid shit, like, like burning down, like burning, like burning, like, like, like,

a bed in his driveway, filling his pool with slime, like, jumping on top of news van. They're doing all this, like, stupid shit that went viral. How could we take him serious as a boxer? Yeah. But then again... Boxing is the kind of thing, though. It's different because if you win all your fights, then everybody has to take you serious as a boxer.

As opposed to, like, music is, like, a contest of who likes you the most. Exactly. You know? But Jake hasn't... Like, he, like, realistically, he won't step in with Canello. He won't step in with Garcia He won't like all All jokes all fucking marketing

All bullshit aside We know that he can't stand To toe to toe with no real like Young not old like real fighters Like Anderson's I'm not even going to lie I got money on Anderson Right Because but

I'm excited to see it Is that this weekend or is it like next week? I'm pretty sure it's like really soon Dude But I'm for sure watching it I mean but think about that The fact that when we have the conversation with Jake Paul. Now we say he can't fight a real professional boxer.

That's pretty amazing that he's even at the point where we're comparing him to real professional boxers, right? And his brother fought Floyd Mayweather? Yeah. But Dejie is about to fight Floyd Mayweather. Exactly. Like, hey, people could say whatever they want about Jake and Logan, those motherfuckers are geniuses. Oh, yeah. Because Logan, now he's fucking started a drink. He was making millions off his clothing brand back in the day. He had his fall off, his like, cancellation moment. He came back from it. Like, he, like, Logan Paul and Jake Paul, whether people hate him or love them, they are geniuses

and will never be able to beat them. Yeah. Because they'll always find some way to make a relevance for themselves, no matter what it is. I was on like a group call type thing on like an online poker game with Logan Paul and KSI and Mr. Bees and shit. That's cool as hell. And listening to them talk about money and the kind of deals that they're doing. Like, I'll never repeat any of the shit that I heard, but it was like the most mind-blowing

shit. It made me feel like, oh, my God. God, I've just scratched the surface of what's possible business-wise. They're in a different fucking category. Some people see it as like, damn, that's an impossible amount of money. Right. I think of it as, damn, I want to get there. Yeah.

Because, like, I don't underestimate myself no more. Like, I always used to put myself in a box, put myself in these situations where, like, you know, I may be able to do it. I may not. But, no, I'm for sure. I'm for sure going to do some record-breaking shit. I'm for sure going to shock the entire. I'm not just going to shock California. I'm not just going to shock Washington.

I'm going to shock the whole fucking world. You know, and people can believe me. People can not believe me, whatever they want to say. But as of right now, bro, I'm doing my thing, you know. I believe. Because, I mean, I've had a lot of people fucking sit in the chair across from me. Like, Jack Harlow just came into mind. And he was, you know, basically struggling at that time.

You know, like a little wave. Like, he had something going, but he's still, he's honestly kind of like, He was very, very early in his career Let's just say that And look at him now It's like a fucking household name Everybody on earth knows who this guy is You've asked me a couple of tough questions

I'm gonna ask you a tough question Sure So What's an artist that you've seen coming up You've seen at their peak But you're sat You're the sat you feel the worst For this person

Because they fell off Damn And this may be I know this is a hard question to answer Because I know you've dealt with a few people Right But who do you think is like The biggest goddamn

it like fuck can't believe that like i like i can't believe it happened but there's some of them you see coming yeah but what's what's the one that's like damn i really that sucks to hear no because it's like yeah it sucks to hear because they're like good people and stuff i guess but a lot of the people i've seen that have really dramatic falloffs have been pretty bad people objectively that i was like being cool with just because i was new in the game let me think let me think of like, I'm just thinking of the old Adam 22 vlogs. Yeah. Yeah, it seems about right. But I can't like, I can't

look at Pump and Park and be like, oh, I feel bad. Like, they didn't deserve to fall off. Like, they both kind of, like, didn't take their career seriously. But, like, and I'm not saying this because me and Pump are under the same team or whatever, but like, people could say whatever about Pump, bro, but

pumps still, like, people, like, he posted that video, like, no one knew me in Japan. Why was he in Japan? Why was he in Japan? Right. He got big-ass bag to get to perform out there. Right. Like my manager like tells me like the numbers he's doing and like, bro, pump is, pump is solid. And, you know, people, I hate when people base what people aren't doing because what they're in right now.

Just think about the shit that he did do. Yeah. Like, like, like, really. Like how lit he got shows. Like how, like him and perp. like uh like you you were a part of it like you remember that shit like how like how early when it was when it was early and then like at the peak right like i watched it like i i would watch it from everyone how everyone else would watch it as a fan

right you know and it was crazy seeing a lot of the people you were that you believed in go crazy yeah definitely it's just weirder because that's now it's like at that time that shit shit was really my life like just actually being out hanging out with rappers like every day being in the store interact with this full all the time and now i have much more of like a work life balance where i like come in here and do the interviews the interviews on the schedule and i'm not going to the studio and kicking it with motherfuckers all night and everything you're not kicking it smoking doing all this until four in the morning yeah no i'm going to bed and like getting some sleep so i can work out in the morning i got allergic to that lifestyle like a year ago really like like bro like just like i started like i came

to a point to where I was like, and this was like my music was a little bit jumping, you know, but like whenever I was just like kicking it with the homies, just like doing nothing, like playing the game, smoking, doing this, doing that. Like I said,

this is the past. I don't do no drugs no more. Right. But like, like, I just sit, like I would sit with myself and I'd be like, bro, what the fuck are you doing? Like you're disgusting. Like, look at you.

Like you're not, you're fat, you're ugly, you're eating horribly. You know what I'm saying. You're not doing what you need to do. You didn't make no money today. There's no reason why you should be kicking it with all these people.

when you haven't done nothing today. So I just, I started like getting real sick of myself whenever I wouldn't be doing anything productive. That's why like now I don't got no friends. Like genuinely, like I don't, I don't talk to nobody but my team.

You know, like I don't, like I can't associate with people because first off, it looks weird if my right hand man is a 30 year old, but it's fucking exhausting dealing with someone your age

that isn't, that doesn't have like the same mindset as you yeah shit's exhaust and picture when you even reach like higher levels of success because like i'll give you an example i remember when juice world was really kind of in his prime where his music was going crazy as fuck he had the problem where he's young he's like early 20s and he doesn't like he has friends from back home and some of them will like you know come out and like stay with him in the mansion while he's hanging out living his life and recording and being on tour and everything but it's like realistically those people have lives too they want to have jobs and go to college or have girlfriends, whatever the fuck.

So it's like he just ended up being like very kind of alone because, you know, and they'd be like finding different people like to hang out with them and stuff to like spend time with them. But due to his success, he just couldn't do any normal shit. Couldn't go hang out at the bar, like go to the club or anything like that. And it's like all of a sudden you're just nobody relates to you. Your life, everybody treats you like a god. So then you don't really feel like anyone's your real.

And it was like I've seen a lot of people go through it, but with him in particular, I really saw him as somebody like just went straight from my childhood to stardom and didn't really get like an in-between. Yeah. Like when you were artist and you got to really like say goodbye to your adolescent years. Right. It's lit, but it's a different type of pain at the end of the day. Like when you laying in bed realizing like, you know, like I can't like do the simple shit. Like I like I ain't going to no prom, no fucking no. state fairs, no festivals, no nothing, bro, like,

it's, like, it's cool, like, it's fire, you know, like, this shit, like, I dream for this shit. But, you know, like, realizing that you've got to leave a lot of people behind because a lot of people don't got the best, your best, that a lot of people are around you, but it's not for your best interest. So realizing that you've got to, like, say goodbye to your adolescence and say goodbye to a lot of people that you came up with or, like, whatever, just because, you know, not a lot of people are around you for the right reasons.

You feel? My advice, you, though, is, still go to the county fairs. Like find ways to still do normal shit even if it means that you need to like have some sort of protection with you in that moment because the more and more that you isolate yourself from like normal human experiences

the fucking weirder you can get. Drugs come in the fucking fat the weird tattoos come in. Right. Like the weird shit comes in. I get so much enjoyment now out of just doing like normal shit that I would have done before all this other stuff happened to me. You know? It's like, hold on to that.

Whatever you can. Right now, like, it's not, like, I'm not going to know. Like, I'm not, I like, it may sound like dark or whatever, but like this is the truth. Like, like, I'm not rich yet. You know, so like, I can have fun, like, I can have fun later. You know, like fun is always going to be somewhere. No matter what it is, no matter how old I am, there will always be some form of entertainment out there. This is true.

You know, so it's just I can sacrifice my young years of having. fun to where it's just like, you know, the PG-13 shit, or I could really turn up in my late, and retire at 25 and just, like, travel, go to any, like, any club. And I'm not even a party person at all, but, like, I think, like, in the future, I feel like I'll kind of dig into it more because I'll have more downtime and more time to relax. Right. Because, like, now, like, I don't got no time to do nothing. Like, I'm in the studio or shooting content or, um, like, Whole a whole bunch of shit. It's just I like I end up doing like so much things that consume my day

That is just like I don't have time to be a kid no more you know like I'm not like I'm not going to know Football games for my school like I'm not doing no none of that bro because I know Like I said I know there's going to be entertainment somewhere else but right now like I'm grinding You know I've got a long way to go I still haven't got where I want to go so I'm gonna sacrifice my My fun year my young years so I can get that I feel it. This is one thing I want to ask you the whole time. Actually, it's my last question.

Are you ever going to ditch the glasses, or are they part of your image for life? They're not a part of my image. They're a part of me. You know, and I'm big on, like, not changing myself for what the general public likes. Because I had glasses up until I was about your age. I was, like, 15, I think is when I got contacts.

Yeah. It made it a lot easier to get punched in the face once I got rid of the glasses because I was scrapping all the time. Yeah, the thing about me is, bro, is like, It's another reason why I haven't got no tattoos. I ain't got rid of my hair cut. Like I ain't got no, like, I'm not doing no fucking pills, no nothing like, you know, like it's just because like I don't follow the crowd, you know.

People tell me like, oh, drop the glasses, get something like, get contacts, get a bus cut, get a, get a, I'm like, bro, I'm going to do what I do. You do what you do. And we're going to keep it pushing. Because I'm going to be real with you. One of the main ways I've seen a million white dudes throughout my career, trying to be rappers who basically did every single thing that the cool black dudes did in their attempt to be cool and it just like aesthetically did not work for them like people

will appreciate you for being yourself and if you're trying to just look like everybody else out there it's it's weird yeah there's no reason a white boy should have dreads i'm not like you know like no hate to nobody but there's no reason why white boys should have dreads or cornrows or no shit like that. Because like I remember on one of your tour videos, there was a kid. He came from like, you were in Arizona or something. And he had his braids out. His dad was there. It was a little pump vlog. He was like, you know, rope gang, do who. But he had like the fucking box bra. I was like, and he was a white boy. So I was like, we've got to do better. Like that's not like, that's not like, you know, like, nah. But okay, with the glasses, there's a certain feeling of just like a memory

I have in my head. I don't know how many times this happened to me. where at some point in class or out of class, I was getting a fight and just get punched in the fucking face and the feeling of your glasses just exploding off of your face and just splintering into pieces. Terrible feeling. And I hated having braces because when you get punched in the face with braces, and I'm making it sound like I was getting punched on the face every fucking second of the day.

No, but I was like fighting. Like I was like, I would get into a lot of fist fights. So it's like, and the thing about having braces is like, if you're even rolling around wrestling with the motherfucker on the ground and you sort of have your face mashed into their back for a second your braces are just tearing up

the inside of your teeth. Yeah, I'm gonna get veneers. I'm not going for the braces, but I'm not gonna lie. But when you get punched like real good in the face and your fucking braces just fucking enter your lip, that shit is the worst feeling.

I'm cool out that because I still be getting into it with people, you know, so I'm gonna pass on that. But, you know, the glasses that, right now they're not going nowhere, you know, because it's a, like I said, it's a part of me. And I'm not gonna change who I am or change my actions just because what the general public is.

Like I kind of think Ice Spice should just keep the fucking the hair the same way. Like, you know, because like I see her with the straight hair and I'm like, ah, like, I think you should have waited like four years into your career before you let people see you with different hair. But you're not, I'm not judging because Ice Spice, you know where to find me, you know. But you got a girlfriend. Huh? Ice Spice. You know where to find them. You know where to find him. My girl will understand

I wonder if my girl would understand What? I think she might understand Ice spice Like you're a rap interviewer You gotta do what you gotta do Plug talk I should not

Plug talk episode 85 Feeturing Ice Spice I'd like to take it back I will not sleep with Ice Spice She's way too young That would be a weird look for my career What she? Wait how old is she like

I mean she's like legal I think But you know By a smidge I'm pretty sure you know that'd be a weird look for me me you know you got oh you're all in there yeah i got i got i got freedom i got flexibility you know i'm still a virgin though so you know i'm not really into all that you know okay little cito appreciate you man appreciate you too bro my god god godgumper coolest

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