No Jumper - The Liver King Interview: His Fitness Journey, Steroid Accusations, Almost Dying & More

Episode Date: October 10, 2022

Liver King blessed us with his tails on healthy living, how to accomplish goals, how to stay productive, fatherhood and more!  --- 00:00 Intro 2:23 Building this image to take revenge on life   4:28 Liver King was not created by marketing execs 5:51 King starts with his intro and his life fundamentals to inspire and teach and happy to have a platform to share 9:48 Building his company, in person meetings, the energy and the chemistry is important  12:46 Adam's real life teenage years was fire because he was not allowed to be online and "forced" to play outside 16:10 Building his social media presence little by little, create and curate value 17:52 Adam's fitness journey  23:11 King brings raw liver, bull test___ and bone marrow for Adam to taste  27:15 How to deliciously prepare all of this 32:00 Adding liver to your life like 2/3 times a week  35:25 Bench press under water, was very dangerous  37:15 Almost gave up in his own pool 39:05 People have low self esteem, no money, but still flash materialistic things to feel better 43:10 Extreme work out with barbels, ankle weights called the Barbarian  45:17 Used to get beat up everyday when he was younger 51:49 King breaks down his real diet, bacon, goat, etc says liver is a side dish  55:56 Sunscreen or no sunscreen  58:30 Peeing and sh*** outside  1:01:00 Your new journey starts with liver  1:05:54 Andrew Tate's influence on young men, King doesn't know what the "manosphere" is  1:10:12 Why he doesn't wear shirt or shave his beard  1:12:56 King forces his sons to talk and mingle with girls so they never get awkward or scared to  1:15:52 Adam at first thought that King was "fake" 1:20:55 King has never taken steroids 1:22:15 King himself created the rumor that his abs were fake --- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world, and I've got a ball of energy that goes by the name of Liver King in the building. How you doing? Incredible. Liver King. You came in here, just an absolute presence. It's unmistakable. I appreciate that, you know, you don't want to be the guy that meanders through life. Right.

And nobody knows your name. Right. Nobody knows you exist, right? And this is why I call humans primals, because when you're primordial wild first version self, it's always a fucking party. You're uninhibited. Right. You don't got to protect yourself. You're not too cool for fucking school.

And so, and then when you came in and you greeted me, I could feel it instantaneously. Right. Like your energy, your ecosystem, we're going to light this up. See, it's a weird, tricky process for me because I don't really like to be around the guest too much before we start recording. Because as I guess a Johnny Carson saying, don't leave it in the hallway. That's interesting. Because realistically, maybe the most energetic 10 minutes of conversation could get used up before you're on camera. So I kind of have gotten into this habit where right before I know the interview is about to happen,

I lock myself in my office and then they give me a little knock once the person's already in the chair so that I can sort of come in and we can enter. I would actually like to have a camera following me like a ring entrance to a boxing match or something. Well, why don't you? Yeah, we might get there. Yeah. Because, I mean, for a guy that's a master in your respective discipline, whatever you're doing is working. Right.

And I've done enough podcast just recently where it seems that's a pretty similar philosophy, be a similar principle a lot of people follow and I'm like um we could just keep going you know I feel like when you have this kind of energy this kind of electricity you're going to see by the end this shit doesn't die down right you know and what I really hope people say is listen maybe I don't agree with anything he fucking says or does or any of that shit but when you live life with this kind of abundance this kind of growth right this kind of expansiveness right this guy knows something right this guy knows something see that's I think the thing that probably a lot of people at home have in common is that they don't necessarily have the gall to be their true self on camera,

to be so unapologetically them. And so a lot of them sort of get drawn into seeing these larger-than-life characters on the internet, people like me and you, I guess we go into that category of people who are just sort of unapologetically living their life on camera. And I think that's kind of motivating to a lot of people, even if they don't see themselves being on camera like the way that we might be. I think it is because it's a connection to a true. herself. And I don't know about you, but I sure as hell wasn't this way. Right. You know, my predecessor was Bride Johnson. He was the corporate guy. And, and I think I lived such a living, my life was such a living hell from like 10 to 15. I was bullied like you wouldn't believe. I couldn't be more

grateful for it. But I sort of, I built this armor around me where then I became cool, right? Instead of really just like being vulnerable and revealing my true character, I was like, you know, I'm going to play it cool. Because now I've made it to this part where I'm no longer getting bullied. The tables are, and I'm going to be cool. When you're in high school, in particular, the pressure to fit in is so crushing. Like, you're just so unsure of who you are. And it's just this intense pressure. There's a lot of bullying.

There's just, like, you know, there's forces from all sides kind of trying to get you to conform. And that's the... And then they stand in line. And then guess what? They never fucking change. We've domesticated ourselves. And we built these walls around our feelings. And guess what?

Even when we put down the goddamn phone, we don't connect anymore. But if you let everything out and you're willing to be vulnerable and silly and stupid and retarded and live life and have a conversation with reckless abandon. We can go from zero to five thousand and five seconds. And the connection that we're going to be able to have in five minutes is immeasurable. And it's something that most people, and so this is what I hope to inspire with people is like live life with reckless abandon, figure out how to let your wild primal first version self out.

This is the most primordial person, you know, inside of you. And that in and of itself is one of the nine ancestral tenants. And you're going to start living a higher life just doing that. Definitely. Yeah, my personal trainer who I meet up with and work out every morning at 8, this guy, Babak from Iran. I always say Iraq. He gets pissed off. But for maybe six months now, we've been calling each other primals.

No way, really? Yes. And sort of, you know, saying liver king here, liver boys, liver queen, all the catchphrases, you know, sort of integrating those into the workout. So it's been kind of fascinating. His jaw dropped this morning when I said, I got to interview Liver King later. I love it. You know, somebody said the other day, like, hey, I believe some marketing execs got together a couple years ago, they started to create you. And then they uncaged you.

Right. And I said, how'd you find out? Yeah. You know, I mean, what a great compliment, right? For me to call my guys, and here's a thing, when I hear people call their followers, followers, and then I hear some people say, oh, yeah, my fans. Right. And I'm thinking, you think of yourself that highly. You consider yourself that much of a leader that you're going to call them followers and you're going to call them fans.

And I said to myself, I'll never do that. I'll never do that. And here's the thing. I never really had the idea I wanted to go on social media. It wasn't until a year ago that I made the decision to do it. And I said, you know what? I'm not going to make this same mistake. And so I started calling everyone a primal.

And again, like, I think we all have the same primal potential, primal, our wild first version itself. It's like perfectly in line. I do agree that fans is a little cringy, but I also feel like supporters just has too many syllables in it. Sure. I wouldn't say that shit either. That just sounds stupid. Fans is a little demeaning. Like, I realize, as you say that, that I definitely refer to people as fans and stuff.

But you're right, that there is a little bit of something to that doesn't seem to sort of embody the spirit of how much I appreciate them, you know? How cool is primals? Primals. Primals. Like, guess what, that means something. Right. You know, it really means something. And, you know, I like to start off a podcast, if you don't mind just by, you know, a lot of times the host says, Hey, man, thanks for coming.

I'm like, hey, thanks for having me. Right. I just really want to spend 50 seconds to tell you what I really mean by that, right? Because the world really is hurting and hating at record rates. Right. There's so much suffer and struggle. Men today are aimlessly wondering about life with no purpose, no passion. There's no fight.

There's no unite. Men today, the modern day, man, is officially a weak and submissive pussy. Right. Our people are suffering with depression, anxiety, infertility, autoimmune conditions, and there's a better life to live. I know that you know about this life. I know a lot of your guests know about this life. When you start living a better life, it's full of adventure, it's full of excitement. You can live your life with reckless abandon.

You have this deep connection, right, to bond with people. And this is why I exist today. It's to model, teach, and preach these nine ancestral tenets so that our people no longer have to suffer like that. And so that we can express our highest and most dominant form because everybody can be a primal. So I just want to tell you how grateful I am because without opportunities like this, nobody knows my name. Yeah. And so I absolutely need opportunities like this.

So thank you for having me on. Believe me, I've been fascinated since day one. So I'm happy to have you here. I feel like there's a lot of the things you talk about. I am like you're 100% all in on them. I am like 15% all in. But I see what you're talking about. Okay.

Limiting your screen time. I think is very, very important. I'm in the situation of this. being my business and really just taking it way too much screen time in terms of the phone and everything but i do have a two-year-old daughter and that has been a massive reprieve from sort of constantly being glued to my phone and sort of realizing like there are a lot of precious moments unfolding in front of my eyes that i really need to you know enjoy and and treasure while they're happening so i hear you talking about that and i fully am on board with that i hear you talking about

I'll make a quick comment about the screen time is when I talk about men today not having a purpose, a passion, a fight, a unite, I think men today are distracted just enough. Even when they're taking a shit, they're doing that. I was talking to some guys on a podcast. They said, hey, what do you do when you take a shit? I was like, what do I think? I use my head, right? And I said, what do you do? And they're telling me, and I'm like, holy shit, you know, I believe men are distracted just enough today where they haven't developed their own philosophies, their own principles, their own ideas.

And if you don't do that, if you're distracted just enough, if you're sedated just enough, guess what? You don't know what you stand for. You have no purpose, no passion, no fight. And so even if it's 15%, you know, I was on the computer way more Brian Johnson was before Lever King came out, you know, and then life starts to happen. Oh, that's your government name. Okay.

That's right. Right. All right. You're referring to your prior self. Yeah. You're like, who's this other guy. I was just thinking for a second. I'm like, there's some fitness guy named Brian Johnson that I'm supposed to know.

Yeah, that guy's fucking dead now. Liver King ate that guy. And he never came back. But this is a great thing is that when life starts. to really happen, you start to figure out, you know, I got this two-year-old daughter, and I would not only do my obligations require that I connect with this, right? But you're way more fulfilled doing it, right? Because you know that you can do business and you can achieve at the highest level, but can you be fulfilled and do your job, your roles and goals as a dad?

Right. You know, and so even being at 15%, you're going to ratchet that up to 20, and the 25, and you're cognizant of it. And I still spend time on the screen as well. Right. I really minimize my, I would say I probably spend two hours of screen time a day. But, okay, the thing about the screen time, you have to think about what the screen time is replacing. Because in every generation prior to this, you running the businesses that you are currently running would probably have required you to be in a fucking corporate office building in New York City or Los Angeles eight hours a day. So, I mean, really like doing two hours of screen time or being able to take meetings over Zoom or FaceTime or whatever.

it's kind of a fucking gift in comparison to what you would have to submit to in order to be successful in prior generations, right? I still am really old school when building my companies there was never going to be any virtual company. You know, I meet

when I was CEO in companies, every single day we have an in-person meeting and then every single day some executive somebody would say, hey, we're meeting too much. I don't say, really, you think we're meeting too much? What's the most important thing in the business? You tell me and I'll get five or six different answers.

It's the culture. It's the chemistry. It's the electricity. If I can say what my why is in the world, because people are hurting, they're living a life of hurt, hate, suffer, and struggle. Their life fucking sucks.

There's a better goddamn life to live. You know about this. My kids couldn't breathe. They would have to take ambulance trips to the hospital. This is my why in the world. When we figured this out, my kids started kicking ass in life. When we started applying these philosophies ourselves,

we started to, this is when the light bulb came on. I'm like, I'm never going back to that. This is why I exist. and then I hire only true believers that have been through similar things. So I have this conversation. I'm like, this is the most important thing in a business. If you can create that culture, that kind of chemistry. And guess what?

Sure, can you do that virtually, of course? But so I still believe in this philosophy. And sure, it's a gift that now we can be connected like this and you can have the best people and whatever continent. But you know what I believe? I think that the culture and the chemistry and in person doing what we're doing right now is so important. Oh, I agree. Because so many people do podcasts over Zoom, basically.

And to me, the energy of just sitting next to the person is such a gigantic part of it that I could not imagine myself giving up. How often do you do a Zoomcast? I have, I did it a couple times during the early pandemic, hated it. There's been maybe a couple times where it was something so newsworthy that I had to do it just to get. Why did you hate it? I just don't like, it's, it's, they're distracted, that it's unfocused. You can't like talk over each other, you know, like me and you sitting across from each other. it's like if I start a sentence and you start talking over me or whatever like we can resolve that tension in the conversation very easily whereas like over Zoom it's full of these awkward,

cringy moments of talking over each other. And, you know, I know a lot of like, I'm a big poker player and I watch a lot of poker podcast that use Zoom. And it's so information based that it seems to work pretty well regardless. And I just feel like my podcast, if anything, is just very, very vibe based. Yeah, yeah. And I just, I need to be face to face with a person. Or it's pointless. It feels pointless otherwise. This is what drives a business forward.

And again, like when you hire a tribe of true believers and you share this kind of energy, you reconnect with your why in the world. They will go to the edge of the earth for you. And so I think it's really important. And I love, I think it's the juxtaposition. You know what it's like to do it right. You know, you said the vibe. A vibe is vibration.

Yeah. Right. It's this energy that's an actual measurable thing. You can look at an EEG and you can measure somebody's frequency. Right. This is why dogs also can tell way before someone's going to have a seizure before the human nose, right? It can pick up that vibe. This is a real measurable thing.

Yeah. You think you're going to capture that shit on Zoom? Yeah. Right. And then guess what? Now we're doing like virtual gaming, you know, instead of real life. And then somebody was talking trash on this the other day. You know, I'm out at my ranch.

And we have a lot of fun toys out there. We're shooting guns. We're high lifting with the kids. And I make a comment, you don't got to play no video games when you do real life like this. Right. And then some smart asses start talking, hey, it's real easy when you're a a gillianer, right? And I'm like, well, how do you think you become a gillianer?

You don't do it by playing video games. You go do real life. And then if you make the discretion, the decision to go play video games, fine. And just for the record, I'm not against video games. If you earn the fucking video game, if it's the right video game and you earn the right to play, go fucking play. That could be primal as shit. Let me tell you

a formative experience I had in my life. So I got the internet at like 12 and from like 12 to maybe like 14 I was online every fucking day in these chat rooms and all this other shit right and so but I was already a bike rider like I rode mountain bikes at the time and I was starting to get into BMX bikes and I sort of was being pulled in both directions where I really liked the gaming online and being in these sort of like online communities and stuff but then also I had friends who rode bikes or sort of pulling me in that direction and I ended up getting in trouble basically I was like uploading fucking video games to like a server in like 1997 so other people could pirate the software or whatever and I got fucking my mom's AOL account deleted.

She fucking basically got rid of the internet for a couple years. So I basically forced me to start living an offline life. And right before she got rid of the internet, I had played the game Diablo two online for the first time. And it was so addicting and I was so into it that I could easily see that. have consuming the next couple years of my life. But instead she took the internet away and it forced me to go out and be on my bike and sort of like really have a childhood at that age.

You know, like I'm 14, I'm 15, I'm 16. You know, an average day I would like go out and ride bikes with my friends, go to the skate park, ride around, whatever. We're hanging out with some girls by the river at night and shit like that. Like a very real existence. Then I'm like 16.

We get the internet back. And I felt like I had like a healthier back balance then because I would still be going online and being in some of these message boards and shit at night but I would real life is like exactly and I feel like so many kids have a very one-sided upbringing now where they get exposed to the fact that hey it's fun to watch somebody live streaming on Twitch playing a video game sure you can get some enjoyment out of that and they miss out on all the potential that they could have doing real life shit and I I love video games I've had great experiences playing video games but I also have seen the dark side of it

where I felt very like addicted to it and I felt like I was using it as a tool of procrastination and avoiding, you know, things that I really had to do with my life. But I could say that about other things as well. I remember, like, having a time period of my life where I really had to focus on my business and I watched every single episode of Entourage. Great show. Don't get me wrong. Great show.

Great art. I respect the people who made. I respect the actors. It was not what I should have been doing with my time. I was procrastinating. You know, I was putting off what I really needed to do business-wise at that point. And I think a lot of people don't even have the self-awareness to, like, realize that they're basically doing just that with video games.

Especially when you're young, when you need to be using every fucking hour of your day to try to get into a position to make something out of your life. That's the thing. What you just said at the end, these are all placeholders for something. And people ask me,

how did you do the social thing in one year? How did you go from zero to six million followers across platforms? How did you build this business? How did you do this thing? And it's not like one day I woke up and I did it. It's that value stacks and compounds over time. And guess what?

you're playing video games and it's mindless playing. Don't get me wrong, you can extract some kind of value. Just like with social media, there's value here, right? You can create and curate value. But then after a certain amount of time, you're mindlessly consuming shit. And then you're mindlessly, you know, being sedated on something. And so when you go and you ride bikes and you go hang out at the lake or the river, you know, with girls, and then you start to build that this is a physical progression.

This is social emotional progression. right, you're improving, increasing the value in your life. And then one day, you know, I would say that people pay for value with time, money, or both. And when it's time to launch a business, when it's time to start a relationship, when it's time to start a friendship, you have so much more real value to offer in those respective roles and goals. So listen, I'm not saying, hey, go, band. Don't ever play your video game. But, you know, I'm not surprised when I meet another CEO of a company.

And he goes, hey, man, I'm struggling. I'm like, okay, talk to me. Tell me about your day. How is it? Tell me about your morning routine. and I hear about the morning routine and I hear how they know all the statistics for fantasy football

and I'm like, oh, okay, let's talk because you realize that's a placeholder for creating other forms of real value in life. So you said screen time was one of the ones and obviously we can all do better and you're doing better at it. What's another one of the nine ancestral tenants or things that talk about that?

Oh, well, okay, let me just tell you where I'm at in my fitness journey. So throughout my life, kind of been up and down, weight-wise, you know, like, probably the worst I was at was when I was, like, 21. I got up to, like, 280. I'm 230 right now. Okay. I got up to 280, did a, like, finally, like, learned about dieting and how-

I'll tell you. I'm 6-3. Okay. And so, you know, got real into, like, you know, figuring out how many calories I was eating. And, you know, I got a personal trainer at that time. You started teaching me about how to lift weights and everything like that. That kind of got into it. And my whole life, I've really been, like, back and forth around the sort of same

weight between like maybe 220 and like 250 and it pretty much seems to like coordinate with my like happiness level to be honest like I'm I'm like out of shape when I'm like sort of depressed and kind of feeling bad for myself and feeling like I need to like satiate myself by eating food or whatever and then like right now I've been like super on point for like the last month really COVID was what fucked me up I was at the best state I'd ever been fitness wise and just working out consistently eating really good and then COVID hit and just somehow that like uncertainty just caused me to just fuck up my workout routine and start eating like shit and uh because you didn't have as much connections and the key word earlier what you said is satiation right that's satiety um when you put down the goddamn

phone and you really bond with people when you sleep eat and move shield connect cold sun fight bond these are the nine ancestral tenants these are the things that we do in primitive culture tribes um because we have to do this to survive and the more we do this the more we are and the less that we look to food for satiation for happiness. So I'm not surprised along your journey you're seeing like when you have the best body composition, you're probably also the most satiated and you're the happiest. And I think like when I look at how I've gotten fat in my life, it was very rarely eating like some good shit, some fucking creamy ass pasta and some big old delicious

sandwich and shit like that. No, it's like late night snacking. Like going to 7-Eleven and getting a big bag of chips and some candy bars. Like the real embarrassing shit that I would not even, I don't even like it. I feel cringy admitting that because there's so many great foods I could be out here eating. But realistically, most of the fucking fat that I've put on through my life has been through eating bullshit trash because I'm just sort of like in my head, like feeling like I deserve a reward after a day of doing all this content, whatever the fuck. You know, like, and that's the trick for me is like I'm really trying to like observe my mental state and try to like figure out how to. structure my life so that I can stay on track in terms of fitness and exercise because I really have

a goal of just like fully being where I want to be at weight wise fitness wise you know and and I've been kind of like pussy like getting close and then pussying out and getting close and pushing out my whole life yeah yeah was it like that for you no because I went through a period of my life where it was like that for five years it was it was horrific you know and I allowed my I got the shit kicked out of me all the fucking time really um but I ended up getting strong. And then when I got strong, I learned how to fight. And then I was able to forge this evolutionary hunter. And I said, hey, listen, I'm never, I know what that feels like. When I talk about people hate their lives and they're hurting and they're suffering and struggling, I know what

that feels like. And I remember like it was yesterday and I'm never going back there. And that's why I forced myself to get into the gym twice a day every day. Even on rest days, I spend an hour in the gym. And my wife, Liver Queen is always like, why do you do this? Even on vacation, it's like, why do you know what I have to? And the pain of not doing it. And the pain of not doing it. it far exceeds the pain of getting in there and doing the gym thing. And so what I would say is a lot of people will talk to me about eating their chips or the Coke late at night, right? Like, how long do you think it takes to eat a couple of donuts?

Oh, I mean, you know, I could smash two donuts in like five to ten minutes. And that's probably like 1,200 calories or some shit. And it's, you know, calories are not created equally, right? True. Those are the worst ones. Those are the worst ones. And guess what? like you said you smash it in five or ten minutes and it's almost like you know

heroin I've never done heroin but I'm just gonna fuck someone's gonna correct me if I'm wrong about this but like you you just had this incredible height lasted 10 minutes guess what you got another 23 hours and 50 minutes to live in this day right what you just did is it worth it you know so that's what I try and think about sometimes but the food I get to eat today is incredible I eat rabbi steaks I eat tomahawk steaks I eat lobster all the fucking butter in the world like the food that I get people like like hey man you ever want to cheat me i'm like if you saw what i get to eat it's the most incredible you know it's a healthy food it's nourishing food um but i try and remind people hey listen you're about

to go eat that donut you're about to go eat you know this thing with all these seed oils all this process shit you're about to go drink a thousand calories in that stupid fucking cup right there right how long is that going to last how long is it going to make you feel good i was just in new york for a week on our podcast tour and uh while i was out there you know i was really focused like before I left, I'm telling myself over and over and over, I want to eat healthy while I'm out there. I don't want to fuck this up because I've been really good for like the past month. And when we were going out to eat, I was ordering steaks and fucking lobster and shit like that. I'm like, listen, if you're going to spend a bunch of money and eat something that maybe is not the thing you would be eating at home, at least do this.

So then you won't have to feel any fucking guilt about it. I see that you're about to hit me with the bone broth right here. You know, here's the thing. This is the best stuff that I know how to share with people. Sweet. I've been dying to try it. Oh, badass, because we got some liver on the left. We got testicle in the middle.

I don't know if you've ever heard me say it, but I say, why eat vegetables when you can eat testicles? I think it's a great catchphrase. And then we got some bone marrow over here on the right. Right. And so you are down to try it. Yeah, I'm down. I've been hearing you talk about all this shit for fucking forever.

I got to go for it, yeah. Hell yeah. Is the camera capture on the table? Yeah. Okay, cool. Well, I always want us to go with the liver first. You good with that? That's this one?

Yeah. All right. Oh, these are big pieces. Cheers, my man. So this is raw liver. It was filtering blood just a day or two ago. Very fresh. How are you doing?

The only thing I could compare it to is eating like an oyster. A little bit of a similar texture. A little bit of a similar texture. Man, that was wild. Well, you crushed it, so let's move on to the testicle. The testicle's next right there in the middle. I believe I ate a testicle at one point in my life, but it definitely wasn't cooked like this. It wasn't raw like this.

Yeah, that's the way. to do it. I mean, why would you want to eat a testicle cook, like raw? Is how to do the testicle. Man, they filled me in. Like I was eating a salad earlier. And they go, I see the guys walking by with the fucking wooden train shit. And I'm like, oh boy, I'm getting a little bit more protein this meal that I bargain for. All right, we're doing the testicle.

That's a testicle. A bull's testicle. It's not your testicle. It's not a human testicle. This is definitely a bull testicle. And here's the thing. I'm glad that you can see that you can do this. this, right? This is not the most delicious stuff in the world.

Let's say that again. You listen, you can make it delicious. Just for the record, Liver King Chef Lionel makes testicle savié for the liver boys. They love it. Right. So I like to bring this out because, hey, listen, this is primal.

Right. There's no maple syrup, no salt, no dressing, no nothing. You should know what it tastes like. And then if you want to go ahead and sweeten the paw a little bit, go ahead and do that. Well, I would like to, I would rather get through it raw than, you know, I know what maple syrup tastes like, you know? Yeah. I don't know

what all this shit tastes like. So it's probably better for me to do it like this. I feel like this is doing something kind of freaky to my brain. You know what? It lights people up. Almost everyone. So here's the thing. Here's what people don't realize is that we evolved. We evolved with this kind of nourishment since the beginning of time. Right. So for

millions of years, we've been eating nose to tail nutrition. We recently took this out of our diet. Your DNA expects this kind of nourishment. Right. And your Life most people have never had raw liver Rostasical and we'll do the raw bone marrow Here in a second once you start having this nourishment

People's brain start lighting up they start feeling different things Again you got to remember we we evolved with these inputs For our entire being as species right to express We became the badest mammalian predators that never lived Right we recently took this out of our diet to our detriment Okay but when I was watching you I watched a video that was like some bodybuilder dude like 24 hours with liver king Like staying at your house or some shit I think it was longer than that

But I'm seeing the table and it's like you do have some like cooked steaks and there's like, I think ground beef type hamburger patties and shit like that that like probably most people watching this could get down with. What's the value in not cooking it like this? Yeah. So when you cook things, you'll tend to lose some of the nourishment. Some of the peptides are no longer intact. Some of the peptides are really fragile. So for example. What's this one?

That's the bone marrow. So yeah. Let's have a little bit of the bone. So we're not scraping it out of this thing or is that bone marrow too? Yeah, the bone marrow was already scripted out. Okay. And so when you order bone marrow in a fucking restaurant and it's like, it's just some like goop, it's like been cooked inside the bone, right?

Like they do all kinds of shit to it that you probably don't approve of, right? Not necessarily. Okay. When the bone marrow is about 100 degrees, it's delicious, it's rich, it's succulent. When we butcher a cow, I'll take the femur bone and I'll take my axe to the bone marrow and the bone marrow is not solidified, it's not waxy, you just lurp it out. it's the most delicious thing you've ever had. Most of those steakhouses,

they don't have to touch anything. All they do is cook it. But this is the way we evolved, right? At first I felt like it tasted like a potato, and then I started to feel like I was eating a stick of butter with no flavor. Well, you didn't taste it? I mean, I don't know what the fuck to think about what I just ate, yeah.

I love it. It feels like I still have like butter, like, soaked to my teeth. Good, good. But because the thing is, again, we evolved with this stuff. We recently took it out, right? You know what it tastes like. We've got to find a way to get this back into our diet. I tell everybody, listen, if you don't do shit,

if you don't listen to any part of my message, the name is liver king, because liver is king. If you want to be an alpha organism, kicking an ass in life, do what other alpha organisms do. You may maybe hear me tell the story, but I'll say it real quick. Killer whales. There's certain pods that rip open great white sharks. They go for the liver first.

If you look at how when a lion hunts, it goes for the liver first. Modern-day primitive culture tribes kicking our ass in life. They go for liver first. we need to get this stuff back in our lives. And if there's a lot of people that aren't willing to actually do this or not willing. And so if you're not willing to do this raw, it's okay, you can cook it. You're going to lose some of the peptides, some of that, some of that nourishment.

And if you're not willing to do that, I got this, this, this, I don't know even know what to call it. It's a shake right in front of us. Okay. It's called the whole feast. What's in that? Can you taste it first and then I'll tell you? It's what's it going to taste like? It's like a bone broth type thing or is it like a protein powder type thing?

Oh, okay. I think you're going to love it. Cheers. Cheers. Very good. So this has liver, heart, pancreas, spleen, kidney, bones, blood, and colostrum in it. Wow. So I tell everybody, listen, if you can go on a hunt, go on a hunt, and establish that kind of connection with land and the animal.

If you're not going to do that, because most people won't go to your butcher, go to your grocery store, go to White Oak Pastors, get the real deal. Very few people are willing to do that. You've got to get it somehow. So go get something like the whole feast. Go get, you can get liver capsules. There's a lot of ways to get it in. Once you get it in, and you feel the light bulb, come on. You know, now you know.

Now there's no turning back. And so now if you decide to leave this out, this is to your detriment. So thank you for letting me share this with you because this is my message is. Start with liver because liver is king. Once you allow that in your life, pay attention to how you feel over the next hour, two or three. Yeah. I'm very interested to see what starts happening to me. Yeah.

Because I'm not sure. You know, I've been seeing you eat this stuff. You've ascribe these benefits to it. And I've been very curious to see what this might be like. Yeah. And so we talked a little bit about screen time and working out. And I love how your trainer and you guys refer to each other as primals, which is badass. You got to do it.

And we talked a little bit about when your diet is off at night doing that kind of stuff. But right now you look like you're in pretty goddamn good shape, like you're kicking ass. Is that right? I mean, I got a little gut on me, you know? I'm on about 2.30 right now. and I could see myself being 200 if I lean down, but I want to start packing on muscle at some point and kind of focus more on that.

Is that what you're focusing on at the gym is putting on muscle? I just like lift heavy, you know, pretty much every day that I am lifting and then I fucking do extra cardio sessions and shit. I'm not really like that focused. I feel like I need more of like a specific plan to get to a specific goal.

I've just wanted to be skinny for a long time and haven't really like bothered to think that much about like what would my diet look like if I just want to get big. Got it. Because really, what you're going to find with all nine ancestral tenants, they all influence how we look, feel, and function.

Right. Epigenetically, it signals something. So every single one of them affects our hormones. All of this has to do with, if you can optimize your hormones, right? If you can double your testosterone, you don't have to take any stupid PEDs. Yeah. Right? So if we're talking about sleep, eat, move, she'll connect cold, sunfite, bond, and you start to get

into this a little bit more deeply, if you connect with this, if you start to do more of this stuff, what you're going to find out is that with the same amount of effort, you're going to put on more muscle, and as you put, because your hormones are going to be optimized, right? Your neurochemistry is going to be better. You're going to feel better. You're going to want to take more massive action. And what you're going to find out is as you put on more muscle, your basal metabolic rate goes up. You're going to burn more calories at rest, and you will end up getting a six-pack. And so this is why if this is one of your goals, the nine ancestral tenets should be important to you. And I hope that we're able to get in, if not now, even on part two, part three, part four, as we get to stay.

touch with each other. So, okay, say I wanted to make this a part of my life. You know, I'm assuming that you maybe wouldn't advise me to go all in and just start eating completely raw meat 24-7. How would you, would you suggest somebody just start doing this for like a meal here and there? What would, like, your perspective on it be? And why are vegetables bad? Everyone do the impression vegetables are very good for you.

Yeah. Could I get a lighter? First thing I'll say is, I say, I say procure liver any way you can. Right. If you can do it raw, do it raw. You know, you don't have to have it for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, but you got to get it, right? Right. And so if you can get it raw and eat it raw, eat it raw.

You know, have an ounce or two every single day. Okay. I have it for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I'm the fucking liver king. I eat a pound a day. Right. For the record, I'm not advising you or anybody do that. But you got to figure out if you can't be compliant, then none of this fucking matter.

So you got to figure out what can you do on a daily basis or can you cook it and have two or three ounces two or three times a week. Right. Right. So we got to figure that out. How do we get liver in your life on a consistent and daily basis? Right. So let me just ask you this. Could you eat raw liver a couple of times a week, or would you prefer to cook it a couple of times a week? Well, I mean, I guess I would probably enjoy eating it more if it was cooked. But I mean, I could probably, it was a small enough quantity that I'm sure I could eat it. So that small quantity? We're going to do a lot more than that, I would assume.

No, no. If you, that small quantity we did. You do that every day, you're good. Really? Every day you're good, because at the end of the week, that's almost a pound. Because you did about an ounce and a half, I would say, in what you had picked up there. That's not quite a pound, but that's about 10 ounces. You're getting there. That small quantity every day would get you where you need to be. Wow.

And some of these vitamins, like vitamin B12 is a fat soluble vitamin, or not a fat soluble, this is a water-soluble vitamin. So it's not like it stores in your system. You kind of renew some of this nourishment on a daily basis. So if you could do that every day, I would say do that every day. Okay. For a lot of people who are like, fuck that. because you know how many people I try and say hey let's eat some raw liver

right and they're they can't ate no way so a lot of people can't do what I just did a lot oh really okay and that's another thing that like when I meet someone like you I'm not surprised that you had no trouble with that because everything goes through the mind right right how you do anything is how you do everything I'm not surprised I'll also kind of do anything for the content oh is that right you know someone asked me the other day like hey to the same point they're like how did how did you do the social thing you know

out of the gate and I said well I think I figured it out here's what you do if you can make videos where you almost die but you actually survive barely you'll get views and so we started doing a bunch of stupid shit like I would wake surf with a hundred pound chains around my neck and no life jacket and I'm not a good swimmer and eventually you're gonna fall and you fall and you just seek not being a good swimmer doesn't seem very primal I feel like being in the waters but primal as it gets right I agree I agree you just have you tried and it just it just doesn't really take you know what I so we live on the lake

I swim okay I swim here's the thing I can swim about a hundred yards fast as fuck really you need me to go much further than that it ain't happening I guess your body might not be really suited for swimming is that what you're saying maybe I think like a rock right I mean this guy doesn't tread water

you're carrying all this mass that probably you know it's not what swimmers look like they're usually very lean that's why I tell people I'm like you know what I'm good to go that far no further than that Right. No further than that. There's another thing we did a 600-pound bench press underwater with no spotters. Right.

I swear to God, I almost died. When's the last time you benched? Oh, you know what? It's been about three or four months. This is the first time I've ever told anyone this because, listen, I don't need any sob stories. I tore some shit in my shoulder. Oh, really? So I haven't been able to do bench.

Why do you ask? Oh, I was just curious. We did a vlog the other day where I got. I saw. You did? You watched that. Bro. Again, I'm not surprised you're that strong because y'all got up to 225, didn't you?

I did, I think, seven reps with 225, which I never going to. go that heavy anymore because I just work out at home and I'll usually get up to like 200 and bang out like six reps with that. And then I can't believe. And who's the other gentleman that was with you? Flaco, the chubby gentleman? Yeah. Yeah. What's his relationship? Is he, that was his first time ever working out. And somehow he was just so full of pride and just wanted to do this so, so badly that he benched 225, his first time ever bench pressing. He put like eight plates on each side of the leg press and did that for a couple of reps. And then he deadlifted at 315. And then he, he was, went home, he vomited, and he slept for 10 hours.

That's what he said. And he looked like a fucking COVID patient coming in here, looking like he was dying for the next couple days. Like, what a great experience. Pretty hilarious to see, like, because I'm thinking in my head, like, the first time I ever squatted, I didn't have that reaction because I didn't go that heavy. But I

definitely, like, the first couple of times I ever did legs, I was fucking crippled for a day or two after. Yeah. Same here. You forget, because you get so used to it. And you guys crushed it. Y'all did such a good job. The truth is I was like, I don't think that much weight's going up on the bench. But you guys are strong. And then for his first time, I was pretty amped watching that. So I haven't done bench bench in a while, but again, I'm not making

any, I could always, like, if I get an injury, I'm like, thank God I got a fucking injury. Right, yeah, yeah. Because you know what? There's a whole lot of other shit I can do and I can figure out. And now your brain, you're backed into a corner. Right. Now you've got to figure your way around that. Right. And so speaking of doing anything for content, I'm like, I will do anything for, and I almost died in my own pool. And I'm like, 600 pounds? Like, no spotter. I know, but it's kind of hard for me to imagine how the bar would even move on the water. Like, what did it feel like?

Oh, you know, people think, people think because of buoyancy, it's going to go up easy. It's, 600 pounds is probably the equivalent of 400. Oh, okay. Because that's about what my one rep is. And I'm like, and anyways, I didn't get it. And it was stuck on me. And then people had to jump in.

But they didn't jump in at first because they didn't know. Right. I needed help. Anyways, I was like, this bitter get views. It's been there fucking get me So I'm like, oh, we figured it out You almost die, but barely survive But that's the thing about this new world that we live in

Is the dude that I was working on in that video Have you met him, Bradley Martin? Yeah, just the other day Right, okay And he was telling me about, and I was like, Oh, he was telling me about y'all's vlog I'm like, let me go check it out And so he is someone who recently I saw a video

I think he was trying to like take like a 45 pound plate And do presses while he had a girl Squatted on it And obviously her weight gets off and it fucking mashes him in the face, cuts his lip open super bad. You know, he probably gets many,

many millions of views off of it. It's like there's this weird, yeah, there's a silver lining to every bad thing that happens to you in life these days. That's right. It's fucking weird.

What a great guy. Yeah, what a great guy. And so you asked earlier about, you know, why are vegetables bad for you? Right. If you're eating vegetables

and you're kicking ass in life, go fucking kick ass in life. Don't change anything. Don't let this guy change your mind about anything. Right. But, you know,

animals don't want to get eaten. And so they can run from you. They've got horns, they got hooves. They can kick your fucking ass. They can bite you in two, right? Vegetables don't want to get eaten either. But they don't have horns or hooves, and they can't run. So they produce plant defense chemicals.

So what I'm really trying to say is plants aren't necessarily just inherently bad for you, but they're not inert. They're not neutral. They do have consequence. So what I would ask you or anybody else, why do you eat plants? Right. You know, really, like, why do you eat vegetables? Why do you eat plants?

And normally what I end up hearing, in other words is I've been standing in line somebody told me they were good for me and I've been standing in line and I say well how's your life are you do you love your life do you kick ass in every possible category is your neurochemistry optimized do you have a kick ass fucking libido whatever your roles and goals are in life do you have endless fucking energy you know do you bring the and here's the thing

85% of people have self-esteem issues 80% of people struggle paycheck to paycheck which means there's something else going on in here when we're trying to express our value worth and potential to the outside world with shit that we buy at the mall Right. Look at my car. Look at my watch. Look at my fucking bag. Right. Look at how valuable I am. Guess what? I bought that at the mall. I didn't even do anything to fucking earn that shit, right? Right. 70% of people are overweight, half are obese, 50% on prescription medicine. 40% have or will get cancer. And 20% can't conceive.

So when I am talking to people, listen, if you're really kicking ass in life, don't change anything. But most people I talk with, you know, I end up saying, listen, show them, don't tell them unless they ask. because I'm not about to keep cramming down a message down your throat. But what ends up happening is people are actually really hurting. And then they start asking. And then they're receptive. And they're like, why wouldn't I consider something? Right.

Because the major thing that I'll share with you here is Paul Saladino is a carnivore MD. He sort of introduced me to this idea. Right. Hey, maybe vegetables aren't completely inert. Maybe there's something going on here. So what I started to say is, hey, how did our early ancestors live? And I've read every book these other guys have read. So I said, let me go live.

live with them. Let me go spend time with them in the Amazon and in Africa. We're headed to Mongolia in a couple of weeks. Let me go spend time and see what they actually do. They all put the animal, nose to tail, at the center of their diet, and very rarely, and I'm not saying that they don't eat any vegetables. It's not like there's zero vegetable matter, but I would say 90 to 95 percent of the calories are coming from the animal, and then the vegetables are secondary. I'm like, okay, if these guys are kicking ass in life, guess what I want to, I want to kick ass. Right. But a lot of the top bodybuilders and stuff, who I would, would assume if there's any advantage to be gained by any particular diet.

I mean, they seem like they're still eating a shitload of vegetables. What are they getting wrong? Fuck a fine note. What I would say is like, look at people around the world. You know, the further you get away from the equator, there's naturally less vegetables, right? It's like, who goes to the Olympics and kicks ass with physical sports? Is people close to the equator or people further away from the equator? Right.

You know, so. That's probably a genetic thing mostly, right? Genetics always have something to do with it, right? But I would say that's 10 to 20 percent. The other 80 to 90 percent are epigenetics, how we express our genetics. And then that happens over time. So what I would suggest is a lot of people just finally see stand in line. A lot of people put on a shirt.

They put on sunscreen. They stand in literal and figurative lines. They never asked a question. Is sunscreen bad for me? I didn't know that because if I go in the sun, like, I mean, I have decent skin that will, like, absorb the sun pretty good. but if I have like a beach day and I don't lather some sunscreen on, I'm fucked. Well, here's the thing you don't want to burn.

Yeah. Right. You don't want to burn. And so I don't burn. Right. Right. I always say I eat my sunscreen. I eat my antioxidants.

A way that I eat, if I eat a, I don't call this a diet because this is our original ancestral way of eating. Right. Right. So the way that I eat, I've upregulated such, my antioxidants, right? And I could be in the sun for five, six, seven, eight hours. Really? But however, if I start to feel or look at myself, I'm like,

oh shit, like I'm starting to feel like maybe. I just use some common sense and I get out of the sun. I'll get into the shade or something like that. But what I would say is like, you know, if you slowly adapt to that stimulus, because you know that you would, right? You're going from probably hanging out in here, not getting sun exposure to now go in to get a bunch of sun exposure.

Over time, you would absolutely adapt to it. And then you're diet and your sleep and all this stuff plays a major role. Interesting. And that as well. Dude, I saw that workout that you were doing with this bodybuilder kid that I watched the vlog with. And at one point, you're dragging a couple hundred pounds behind you you've got a 70 pound weight vest on you're holding

a hundred something pound barbells or kettlebells or something and you've got uh ankle weights on for like i mean you're doing you're doing it yeah you're doing it for like an hour plus and even you are at some point during this you're like laying on the ground like catatonic uh what the fuck drives you to that level of workout like that like to push yourself so far that this dude that you did the video with who seems like he's jacked he's fucking working out all the time he said it's the hardest thing he's ever done workout wise what the fuck pushes you to be able to do this i'm out here I workout every morning at 8 and then I'm like pushing myself to like maybe be able to do an extra hour of cardio in the neighborhood at night or something like that. Yeah, yeah.

I'm looking at you just like, holy fuck, I want to get to that point. I want to do that kind of shit. Yeah. I mentioned that workout. It's called the Barbarian. This is what I consider a modern day ride of passage. Right. And it's not enough to go out and do a ride of passage one time.

You have to renew that ride of passage. So I do that workout every Saturday. It's one of the hardest things I've ever done. Then I made a workout called a Super Barbarian, which is even more intense than that. And here's the thing because when people turn 16 years old today, they have a sweet 16 party, right? And if you look at rights of passage and primitive culture tribes go hand in hand at 13, 14, 15, 16. And when you do a write of passage right, like what Jesse James said, this is the hardest thing you've ever done. And when you've done the hardest thing you've ever done, you realize you're capable of more.

So what drives me to do it? I would say, like, well, what drives you to be such a fucking badass entrepreneur? What drives you to be thinking about the things that you think about from an intellectual, you know, or what? when you connect with people and you do the podcast on a social and emotional and emotional, right? Because we got our physical, social, emotional, mental, and spiritual being. And so if you make progress in any and or of all of those capacities, you express your value to the world. You grow, you can express more value. So the reason why I invented it really is I, because of my upbringing, because I went through a ride of passage in school, I'm like, oh, this is the hardest thing I ever fucking went through and I couldn't be more grateful.

School? Yeah, it made me who the, from 10 to 15. Was it the social pressures of shit that you were dealing with other kids? It was, I got, I got, I got beat up every day. Right. I got beat up every day. So all that kind of stuff. And I had no self-worth and I figured my way out of it.

And I wish my kids had that same thing. I'm like, I kind of, it would be tough. It was like, do you wish your kids? But you know what they need it? It's only through resistance. It's only through suffering and struggling that you actually can become strong. And so I said, how am I going to fucking make my kids strong? How am I going to give them a right of passage?

And so when Stryker, my, when Stryker turned, he's one of my kids, when he turned 15, he's doing barbarian. Really? He's doing bar. Well, he already did it. But I remember when I said, hey, man, because he was like 14. Well, what weights is he using in comparison to you? The same exact weights?

Well, it's a barbarian. What the fuck? So it wasn't, like, scaled up from a lower weight to start? Not at 15. Jesus. Not at 15. If you do it at a younger age, I would even say, hey, let's wait to do it. Right.

Let's wait to do it. But his mom didn't think he could do it. His coach didn't think he could do it. I'm like, listen, he's fucking doing it no matter what. This is supposed to be hard as shit. Once you complete it, because you guys, You don't just wake up one day and just do barbarian. You could train for it.

You would crush it. And then it's going to be the hardest thing you ever did. Right. And then when it's the hardest thing you ever did, this is what I tell people. You know true strength. And when you know true strength, it's not about your ability to impose your force of will physically. When you've done barbarian, what you actually know is the process that allowed me to accomplish this was active suffering, active struggling, relentless effort, day in, day out, discipline, focus, right? When you understand that process, you can point that process at anything, right, as a boss, as a relationship, as an entrepreneur.

And then you can figure out the strength, creating real strength in any capacity of your life. Right. This is what rights of passages have always been about. And if you look at that, like, primitive culture of tribes, the rights of passage that they have, right? And you look at what we do in the modern world today, Sweet 16 party. You know, like today we don't want our kids to be uncomfortable. Right. And this is to the detriment.

And again, we need to create resistance. We need to create these things so that they can overcome so that they can figure out what they're actually capable of. So that's why I created the barbarian workout. But here's the thing, whenever a big name like Jesse James would come over, any big fucking names, I'm like, oh, goddamn I got to do it. Because I just had done barbarians two or three days before. Jesse coming over, like, oh, fuck, I got to do it again.

Yeah. I got it. And I've done so many barbarians. And we did it the other day out at Long Beach. We did it out at Long Beach. And I'm like, oh, my. And every time I do it, I'm like, why? do I do this? You just did it what? Like along the beach? Yeah. On the fucking footpath up there

at the top of the bluff? We picked that half mile, went half mile, and came back. See, I'm trying to picture where I would possibly be able to drive this fucking big ass sled. I'm assuming it's gonna like fuck the ground up and shit. A lot of people think it's gonna fuck the ground up, but it usually doesn't. Okay. I mean, you could find concrete, you could find asphalt. It's not gonna fuck it. Don't let that be the barrier. I'm sitting here thinking about how if I have to put all that weight in the trunk of my car that it's going to feel weird driving around like that. Well, let's keep it here wherever you are. That's a good point. Here would be a great place to do it.

Here's the thing. If you work for my company, any of my companies, you have the option. You don't have to do barbarian. Okay. Every single person has chosen to do barbarian. Really? And again, once you, we always say, do this for you, do this for your tribe, and do this to honor the struggle. Your wife did it too.

Of her early. Not only has she done it, she's one of three that have done the super barbarian. Okay. So the Super Barbarian is really the Barbarian up a couple of levels. Start with a Barbarian. If you can do the Barbarian, you can kick gas. But there's some people that are so gifted that are so strong and so big. If it's not the hardest thing you've ever done, you need the Super Barbarian.

How much weight are we dragging in the back again? So it's 120 pounds over a 45 pound sled. Okay. Yeah. So you're looking at about 165, 185 pounds if the sled's a little bit more. And how much are the kettlebells that I'm holding? So Barbarian is 70 pound kettle bells in each hand. 70 pounds in a backpack

120 pounds on top of the sled The 20 pound of ankle weights And you go for one mile And now this is up to you To determine your suffer Because some people that are really gifted Are like, oh, I can go And the more your weigh

The less relative weight it actually is Right Right so what I would tell people is Take yourself to the deepest, darkest place And what you're going to realize is You empty your soul, man It's that bad You start sloboring

Nothing else matters nothing else matters. Yeah, because I can imagine myself doing maybe a quarter mile like that right now. Yeah, and you know what? I guarantee you could. I guarantee you could. And then like, in the next week, what you would do is maybe a half mile.

Yeah. And then maybe you would do a little bit more. And now it's the time. Now you've trained. Now you've gotten ready to complete the barbarian. And you're going to go out, be a finisher of the barbarian. And you two will say, hardest thing I ever fucking did in my life. And then when you have enough of those hardest fucking thing I ever did in my life, you already know what you're capable of. You can do absolutely anything. Most people have no idea what they're capable of.

Most people have never been through the hard. Guess what? Like the hardest thing they've ever been to, a 15 year old, 16 year old, 18 year old? Right. Usually it's a joke. It's a joke. So we've got to encourage more people, you know, to get uncomfortable, you know, to create, to welcome this resistance.

I would say that parents and role models today need to model, teach, and preach. We have to create our own active suffering, our own struggling, our own Rights of passage today. Right. So that we can create this kind of strength so that we can create this kind of resilience so that we understand. Listen,

I really can fucking do anything. That's part of why I'm so determined to lose weight and get in shape at this point in my life is because a lot of the guys that I work with here, and yes, I'll call it some of them by name, such as my friend A.D., who's a big presence on this channel,

when it comes time for him to talk about losing weight, he'll always be like, I'm going to do some weird cleanse thing for five days. Or I'm going to fucking, you know, he'll go. go to boxing class periodically, whatever. And I always try to tell them, like, bro, the only way that you're going to be able to get in shape long term is just to develop healthy habits. You're going to have to eat very reasonably for a long period of time.

And that's the depressing thing about getting in shape for a lot of people is that you just have to make a lot of healthy decisions over a long period of time. There's very few, like, cheat codes or you're going to do this five days. Okay, yeah, you tell me. Because the barbarian is the cheat code, right? And come look at what I eat. Right. When you see, so this stuff is a side dish. I have raw testicles, raw bone marrow, raw liver every day.

But again, this is a little side dish. What I have is a big fucking tomahawk steak that's seared and pretty rare in the middle. Right. You know, these are the foods that I really eat. You know, I eat double bacon cheeseburgers, several of them every single day. I post this stuff on my stories. With the bread or without? No bread.

Right. Yeah. Then that's subprimal. It's no longer a primal burger. But the foods that I eat and, you know, the lobsters and the butt and the, You put butter on stuff, you know how good that taste. Right. You know, so the stuff that I eat, you know, there's bacon, there's pork, there's, you know, roasted goat.

I mean, this stuff is delicious. Right. So you've got to go out of your way to make those decisions in comparison to, you know, grabbing a fucking breakfast sandwich for breakfast or, you know, just getting a burger and fries for dinner or whatever, you know. That's what I tell people, hey, listen, you're going to go do that. I get it. You're going to go do it. Right. But what you can do is, I set out instead of a bunch of these fast food places and I said, let me tell you how to order like a primal.

I'm going to give you $100 so you can order like this for the next week. week. What you're going to do is lose the buns, double the patty. And a lot of people are like, okay, cool, I'll do that for a week. Cool, yeah, man, go try it. And if you're not going to do it, and if you won't try it, what you've got to do is 50 pushups before you eat. Right. Because if you earn your carbs. I swear I heard you say 30 on another podcast. Well, you're right. You're out of fucking you're suggested 50 for me. Maybe the people you were talking to at that time were 30. Listen, you got to get to work. You got to get to work. If you do a true max effort set, most people won't be able to do 50.

The average person, I believe, can do between 20 and 30. Push-ups? Yeah. Yeah, I could probably do 25 sets of two, yeah. If it's a true max effort, you're good to go. Right. You earn your fucking carbs. Eat that way if you want to eat that way.

So when my girl's always trying to get me to get lettuce burgers, that's a good move? I would just fucking, again, do you want the lettuce? Okay, there you go. Drop the lettuce. Put a couple. You think lettuce is no good? What's wrong with the lettuce? It seems good.

It's a leaf. It's empty. Yeah, it's nothing. It's absolutely nothing. So if you like the way it tastes fine, do it. But imagine instead having a couple of patties, a whole bunch of fucking real cheddar cheese, and lots of crispy bacon in there. You know how good that shit is? I'm not mad at that.

And then the thing is, we talk about, you know, they're not being a cheat code. You don't want there to be a cheat code. You don't want it to be easy. You don't want it to be fast. Right. Right. Because only the things that actually you really suffer for in relationships and in life become what you really value. You've got to create healthy habits that you're not scared of repeating over and over and over.

like I have eaten like approximately four eggs and four pieces of bacon every day for breakfast, like since I was maybe 22. My breakfast and it fluctuates, maybe three eggs, maybe the times it's been five. Yeah, yeah. And that to me is just, that's one healthy habit that once I got into that habit, it's just, it's always the easiest thing for me to do because it's like the only thing I keep in the fucking fridge. And it's just I've always been able to at least rely on that. So even if I fuck up and eat ice cream some night, it's like, all right, I'm still going

You started your day right. You got the foundation. And that's the thing. Always start with a plan because everything's going to end up going fucking sideways. Yeah, you start with that plan and you're going to be, you're going to be set on a trajectory that's really set up for success. But here's the thing, life is all about peaks and valleys. Right. And when you suffer on that fucking sled doing barbarian, when you get into the gym, you left heavy shit, you're rewarded, right, with a boost of dopamine that cultivates more the same.

Your androgens go up, right? your ability to fight and win, it goes up. Right. Right. The pleasure reward system, it goes up, right? And so it's only through that kind of suffer that's like, because imagine having that life that's unyielding terrain. Everything is flat, boring, monotonous, exactly the fucking same.

That sucks. Yeah. Right? You get into the gym, you really fucking take yourself deep. You know how the next couple of hours you're going to feel, right? And then, and then again, this stacks and compounds. So we're rewarded for doing these kinds of things. And so this is what I would encourage people.

it's not going to be easy, right? But what you're going to see is you can be a lot more efficient if you start with liver, you start lifting heavy shit, you learn about the nine ancestral tenants, you start sleeping better, you get early morning sun on you. Right. You put down that goddamn phone and you go create some real value, some real connections.

I'm fucking with you with the sun. Because when we have a beach day, when I, like, is, you know, that's one thing that having a kid has kind of like forced upon me and I love it is every Saturday and Sunday, more or less, I am outside with the kid, doing fun shit with the kid, just really forcing myself to, you know, just really appreciate her childhood as much as possible.

Parker. Do you let Parker go without sunscreen? Oh, no, we lather her up. So let her get some, right? Allow her to get some. And then you could put a shirt on or lather her up if you want. Right. But you got to let her get some.

Right. And then once again, we used to, and here's the thing we used to do the same. Like, I'm talking, like I'm perfect. We did the exact same fucking thing, man. And then guess what my kids couldn't breathe? Well, I went to the beach with my nephew the other day, and they had sunscreen, or I guess they didn't have sunscreen on him, but they had him like under an umbrella all day. And he ended up getting like blisters on his fucking face because apparently the sun that you could still get through the umbrella or some shit. So, yeah, I don't know.

You got to be careful with that one. Be careful. You don't want to burn. Right. Right. But again, like if what I would first say is every day she should have some exposure to the sun. Yeah. Right. And slowly build that up.

Again, the first principle thinking says, our early ancestors always had exposure to the sun. Modern day print of culture tribes, it's the same thing. And then if they've had too much, they go get in the shade. So get some, before you slather her up, get some, incrementally increase that, improve that. And her resiliency, her biological resiliency and robustness is going to go through the roof. Yeah. But those days where I'm just getting a shitload of sun, oh, man, I feel incredible. and then like when we go on vacation in Hawaii

and we're just spending like a lot of fucking time outside I mean the way that I feel is just ridiculous you know I love that you said that when you're there doing that you probably also have your bare feet connected anchored and grounded into the earth right true so this is the fifth ancestral tenant is connect right and so we're electrophysical beings every cell in our body is electrophysical in nature because of modern day shoes which are cool right I'm wearing them too

right because of modern day shoes rubber sold shoes elevated beds, cars, buildings, and shit. We hardly come into contact with the earth anymore. And the earth has a slightly negative charge. We're electrophysical beings. Right. So when you get out on the beach, you go to Hawaii and you're barefoot, connected, holding your wife's hand. Right. Under the sun, these are like three or four of the ancestral tenants.

It's hard to beat that kind of shit. Right. You can't tell me you're taking in the sunset holding the hand of somebody that you love, barefoot, connected to the ground, and you're having a bad day. That doesn't happen. Right. Because it makes you feel. And so this is why I tell everybody.

If anybody tunes into any of my stories, the Lever King's stories, first thing in the morning, I wake up out of my wooden plank bed. I immediately go outside. I take a piss on my favorite tree. And I'm stacking the sun on the earth within two minutes of being up. And I'm creating contents, and I'm saying, right after I piss, right after I piss. So you're a real believer in the outdoor piss. Because I think we all know every guy that there's something about that feeling of pissing outside.

It just feels good. And, you know, at times in my life, I've sort of chalked it up to, like, the fact that you're out doors, maybe it's a little cold, so you know, the hot piss coming out of your cold dick kind of feels good. I don't know, there's something a little exhilarating about that, but what is it? What's the connection? And do you shit outside?

You know what? Sometimes I do. Right. Sometimes I do. I don't know. I shit more inside than I do outside than I do outside in decades, man. We used to, when I was riding bikes all those years, there's many a time where a diarrhea would hit me and I would have to be posted up against the wall or a tree. It's all about finding something nice to

support your back against. Yeah, yeah. I was Sometimes I'll be going on and walk with the queen and I'll say, hey, listen, I got to take a shit. Right. And it's, you know, the first couple of times she's like, are you going to go out here? Yeah, I'm going to go out. And now she's, you know, she's not bothered by it because this is what I do. Because just think about it, you know, early ancestors obviously didn't have the modern day plumbing. And don't get me wrong.

This fucking technology is great. It's nice to have this. Right. Our early ancestors don't have it. And so there's something nice like when you care about your land, I'm not going to be taking my shit that can fertilize my land and putting that down some other. kind of system, a septic tank that's going to be taken off somewhere else. Like, I have this value that I got from my land. I'm going to return this to my land versus disposing it through some other fucking weird modern, you know, mechanism.

For a lot of people, I think the biggest concern is basically like, how do you fit elements of this lifestyle into your sort of urban environment, you know? And it's like in California, and I noticed it's like this in New York, too. I live in New York for a long time. The other day, I watched a video at Casey Nystad and Andrew Schultz, and they, go, they went surfing. They both live in Manhattan and they drive out to Long Island and it's like, yeah, you're pretty much going to be sitting in shitty-ass traffic for like an hour getting out there. But if you drive out there, you could just go surf and fucking be able to basically

like, and California's like that too where, yeah, we're in the city right now and we're surrounded by fucking Panda Expresses and McDonald's and shit, but you could go hop on the highway for 40 minutes and be in Malibu at the beach. You know, it's like nature and shit is just kind of right out of reach in all these urban environments. What I said to everybody is like, you know, the journey of a thousand miles begins with that first step. Right. That first step is liver, right?

Start eating liver. When you notice how you feel, when you notice how it gives you more energy, drive and determination, more of the currency of life so that you can take massive action. Now you're on to something. You don't got to stop eat. Don't change anything in your life. Just start eating liver.

Start there. After you start with liver, tune into my stories because what I'm going to say is stack the sun in the earth. Now you're going to get early morning sun. And if you get early morning sun, through the eyes on the face on the skin, this sets your biocircadian rhythm so that your brain and body know when to be alert

and awake versus sleepy and sleeping. You want to set up your best sleep so you can live your best life. This is not with some ridiculous routine that starts at 7, 8, or 9 o'clock at night. This starts first thing in the morning. Getting early morning sun is the first environmental cue to entrain your biosecadian rhythm

so that you can get the deepest, most restorative sleep and wire that internal clock. So when I say this, I don't really get deep into any signs in my stories. All I say, stack the sun on the earth, go fucking do that. If you really want to know why Google it or listen to Andrew Huberman, he'll tell you all the scientific shit,

right? I do this based on first principle thinking and what modern-day primitive culture tribes do to kick ass in life. So in the context of the modern world where we live, which is in in inescapable, start eating liver. You can do this. Go get sun, first thing in the morning, through the odds on the face, on the skin. Doesn't have to be long.

Five minutes is better than zero. Ten is better than five. I shoot for five to 20 minutes. I have my bare feet connected and anchor to the ground. So some people have trouble doing that But how much you want to bet you can find Even in New York City, I could find a tree And even if a tree is connected to the earth

Guess what, now you're connected You can find a way to do it And again, you don't need a lot of time, just do it What if it's like a fake tree that they installed? Somebody should die for doing that. Somebody should die for doing that shit. Have you ever seen like sometimes There's those cell phone antennas

That are dressed up as trees? Whoever invented that shit? Yeah. That hurts your soul. Something should happen to them. Really? But so you start with these simple things, right? You start by putting down that goddamn phone, right?

And actually have a dinner as a family. Right. You know, connect with your friends. And you see this all the time at dinner. People doing that shit at dinner. Yeah. You know, that drives me crazy. I got yelled up by my girl so many fucking times for that

that I eventually just kind of had to back off. Yeah, I kind of figured out. Like, you know, I think eating more than anything else is probably the number one time where you fucking really have to kind of take a step back. I'm glad you said that. And then same thing. Listen, if you're going to connect with your friends, I always say no half measures. Go connect with your friends.

Go hang out with your friends. Put your goddamn phone on airplane mode and establish this kind of connection. Right. You know, one of the tendencies is fight. You need a purpose, a passion, something to fight for. If you want to go and do it literally, jiu-jitsu, get into the gym, go do really hard shit, do it. But you need a purpose and a passion. The way you're driving in your business, it's all your roles and goals, right?

But if you're fighting for something in life, you know what your purpose is. You know what you're driving towards. You know the resistance that you want to take in so that you can drive in that direction. You know, all of these ancestral tenants are things we can do in the modern world. I'll say this last one, it's thermal pressure is cold, right? Ancestral tenant six is to get cold. And again, like, people love being comfortable. But guess what, comfort is not good for the organism, right?

You can sit here, you can be comfortable from a temperature standpoint all day long. You don't have to work out. you don't have to do shit. Right. The koala used to be a relatively intelligent creature. It found the eucalyptus tree. It climbed up there.

It had an endless buffet of food, protection from predators, and now it enjoys the intelligence of a snow globe because it's so goddamn comfortable this is happening to us humans. Right. This is funny, but this is actually happening.

And so our ability to use abstract thinking, learn new skills, apply first principle thinking. I can't tell you how many times I get around young people and like, hey, let's go find this place. And they're lost without their fucking phone or a map or something. And no one could be inventive.

And it's like, you know, we got to start ordering off the menu. We've got to figure this out again. We evolved to become who we are today by doing that. Right. So I know that's a little bit complicated, but just keep in mind your question was like, how do we do this in this complex, bottom world? Well, we do it by just starting with liver, then stack the sun on the earth. We've got to get these thermal pressures like getting cold.

Let's get uncomfortable. Take a cold shower. The ocean is pretty cold. Get in the goddamn fucking ocean. You're going to feel like a million bucks. Get the sun. Know what you're fighting for in life. Put down the damn phone.

Do one at a time as you incrementally feel better in life. You're going to say this liver king guy, he might look like a goddamn fucking caveman idiot, but he's actually not. I feel better. And you're going to start telling people in your ecosystem, start eating levers, start getting sun on earth. I think when you see somebody like the liver king

getting six million followers in a year or so, there is a gap or there's something that the world needs and I think also a lot of people point to Andrew Tate and say like look at how lost young men are that they are you know sort of finding these guys who have these you know arguably misogynistic belief systems and they're sort of latching onto it because young men feel like they don't have you know anybody who cares about them they feel kind of lost in this world do you see yourself as kind of like an antidote to a lot of these problems that the modern man has and do you consider you consider is a part of the manosphere?

I've never heard the manosphere before. You've never a mannosphere. It's a bunch of men online Yeah. Talking about their self-interest. I'm on podcasts and half the time You don't even know this but I feel I feel like an idiot

And I'll tell you why because I'm in this primal vacuum This primal bubble. I don't get the news. I don't consume content Right Where I don't leave my compounds I have Leverking Ranch, Lakehouse and Beach House These are places I go

and then when people start talk about other people or policy or politics I always say listen if you can take personal accountability and responsibility and you got your shit in order now go get your house in order

and if you can get your house in order go help your neighbor and once you can help your neighbor go help your community and then we can sit down at dinner and then we can talk about whatever politic or policy or whatever so people talk to me about people

and like relationships going on in the news I'm like I really don't know and I'll joke around and be like hey that's a you know I don't know. That's an attack on my character. That's fucking strike one for you, man. But the truth is I really don't know. Right. And what I actually know about Andrew Tate is so, so

superficial, so surface level. You know, so what I'll say is this, there's nothing toxic about masculinity. I believe that men and women are not created equally. Right. I believe that we are complimentary and we're complimentary opposites

of one another, right? This is why man is called a man and a woman is called a woman. Because we're complementary opposites. I believe that a man is purpose built for physical strength to fight to protect and to fight to protect and to provide. I believe that a woman is purpose built for social and emotional strength to nurture, to nourish, to caretake and to compassion make for her complementary opposite. From an intellectual and spiritual standpoint, I'm sure it's a level playing field. But we need one another as complementary opposites to express our highest and most dominant form holistically. Right? So I don't know if you can call it. You can assign whatever adjective you want to that. Right. But the thing is, I do believe, I know that men are really hurting today. Right. And so I do believe, like I said earlier, that I think the modern day manicured man, he knows that he's meant for more. He doesn't know how to achieve it. Right. And guess what? He wants to be with an eight, nine or ten. And when I say that, I don't just mean it physically, right? He wants to level up. But guess what? You got to fucking level up to do that. To attract your complementary opposite.

I talk to my kids about this all the time. I'm like, listen, if you want to be with a 10, you've got to be a 10. Yeah, because, okay, this is the thing about fitness is that for a lot of men, you know, you are aware of the things that you could do that would make you more desirable to the opposite sex, or the same sex,

if that's how you swing. You know, you can have money, you can have cars, you've got a nice house, you could have, you know, great job or like a lifestyle that would attract a girl or whatever. But if you're a guy with a regular job and you don't really have a lot going for you, your fitness is realistically the most achievable thing.

You know, you could become a fucking gym rat and get in great shape. And at the very least, when a woman looks at you, she's going to be able to see this is a guy who has mastery at least over this one part of his life. And that's the thing that I think is important about fitness and why I really want to lose weight. And it doesn't necessarily have to do with like how I'm viewed or whatever. You know, I've been a relationship for six years. It's not like I really think that's going to change anything in my personal life. But it's the kind of thing where if you exist. to the world that you have complete control over the most obvious part of your presentation,

then that tells the whole world that you're in control of your shit and that that can go a long way, that that could maybe be the start of you getting into relationships with the people you want to be with or being able to go further in life, have people like you more, etc. Your fitness is the one thing that you could just sort of, you know, change your grocery shopping or get a gym membership and all of a sudden you're in the game, you know? Yeah. Strength is absolutely like the fun of the way. virtue of man. Right. Right. No other value exist without strength. You got to be alive to philosophize. You need strength. So I always say the way that we look bare chested and the way that

we talk, these are outward expressions of what we believe. You show me a man bare chested. You let me have a 10 minute conversation with them, figure out what their philosophies, their principles are. What do they fight for in life? And I'll tell you if I want that man in my tribe if the zombie apocalypse comes. This is what I like to tell people. Because a lot of people are like, oh, why don't you wear a shirt? you know, how come you don't shave your face? Like, why do you do this stuff? I'm like, well, this is how I've been living for a long fucking time. I'm not going to not do that once I've gotten on social media.

But you know what? I wish other people did it too. You know, come over to my house. Guess what? We're going swimming. We're going to fucking hang out, my man. We're going to talk for a little while. And if you won't let that guard down, and if you won't reveal your character,

you know, then I don't know enough of inputs to know if I want you in my ecosystem or not. But guess what? I'm not surprised when I see a giant like Joe Rogan that's jacked. rip, articulate as fucking hell, doing what nobody's ever done before, right? Because how you do anything is how you do everything. I'm not surprised. Every once in a while, actually, I shouldn't say every once in a while. A lot of times you see influencers that are going online that have great physiques, but I always say that cheating doesn't scale, right? They have great physiques, but they're not investing the time to develop themselves socially, emotionally, to deeply connect, which we've got

to be able to do, you know, to create impact. And they're not sharpening their mental sword. And you can tell by their language, that's why language is so important, because we assign meaning to what we hear and to what we say. And so I think over time, if you create value, people will pay for your value over time. Let me tell you, though, it's so much worse than you probably think it is in terms of how fried these young kids' minds are

by social media and their phones, where I'm telling you that, like, you know, when we used to have the store on Melrose, I would be around a lot of young people, you know, just who were sort of in the store and hanging out, friends of friends coming around. And so I'm really getting to kind of see with the mind of an average, you know,

18 year old 20 year old whatever it is in society and so many of them just seem like they're so lacking in social skills because they're just so used to being able to be on their phone and you'd see it manifest in weird ways where you know somebody'd be like lurking around like friend of a friend in the group and then all of a sudden he's like tweeting some shit talk or like putting some shit on his instagram story that night or some shit and we're like whoa like this dude is so raised by the internet that he thinks that this is a normal way to communicate. And meanwhile, like, we're really being around people on a day-to-day basis and having to actually be able to thrive in this environment. You need a lot of, you know, social skills and a lot of street smarts.

This is up to parents. You know, this is up to parents and role models. You know, I take my kids almost everywhere I go. And when I do that, I make them talk to girls. I don't remember the first time I did that, they literally couldn't talk. And I don't know if you remember when you're first started doing that. I do too and I was horrific. Terrifying. Okay. So, you know, and it wasn't until I had done it hundreds of times that it was okay, you know, and then it became my way of life. And then I remember when I met my wife, I was on a chairlift and I saw a girl and I was like, okay, I see a girl. This is what I do. I'm going to go take a rep. This is how I met my soulmate. Right. Right. Because I take those reps because of the social interaction because our ability to connect

deeply. Right. And you get so much out of that. So I want to just make sure. you know, my kids also have that skill. I believe that you can learn that skill, but I see the same thing. I see this sort of really awkward interaction and how people are attempting to communicate today. And there's this connection that's missing. And so again, this is one of my nine ancestral tenets.

I say, put down the goddamn phone and let's do this stuff real life in person. And guess what? The first several times, it's going to be horrific, right? But I just tell my kids, hey, just to say, first say it with your body language. I tell them, say it with your body language. And I always say, listen, it's not even what you say.

you say it. People rarely remember what you ever said. They're going to remember how you made them feel. So what you need to do is go over there and you already know you're worth value and potential. You keep your shoulders back. You keep your chest up. Hey, how's it going? I look back on times where

I did that in my life, like times where I just cold approached a girl at the coffee shop and sparked up a conversation and got her phone number, that could be the best fucking feeling in the world. Because for some reason that, the most basic human interaction can be the most overwhelming feeling if you're a dude you know just

sparking up a conversation but you understand why is because you know a lot of girls are like in the most guarded mental state possible when they're out in public because such a large percentage of the dudes who try to have a conversation with them are going to be the weirdest motherfuckers on earth you know so this is what we're up against and I tell them I so we rehearse this I'm like listen it hardly ever goes well they look weird they can't believe somebody's talking to them. Right. You know, or a lot of times when we go places, they might be touristy places. These young girls are with their families, you know. And so it's acknowledging the dad too. Hey, dad, how's it going? Really just want to say hi to your daughter. You know, and again,

like, it's just getting those reps. And so because of this environment, because of what people expect today, they're up against the wall, but we're going to keep doing this, right? This is important to me. You know the value in it. It's going to be rarely, you're going to have outliers that have achieved a whole lot in life. And I think you're going to have outliers. that also have fulfillment. But I believe that you need this skill. You need to be able to deeply connect to really, truly be fulfilled,

and that's going to help you to achieve whatever you're going after. Definitely. Okay. Last thing that I had to bring up. When I first found out about the Liver King, I believe the tweet is still up. It's out there somewhere. I didn't go find it. It's a picture of the Liber King, looking jacked as fuck,

and I believe that the caption on the tweet might have been this guy fucking expects us to believe he's natural. Something along those lines. And I mean, this is obviously the most common thing that you hear all the fucking time. What is the Liver King's response

to this claim that the Liver King is hormonally improved by science? Well, I saw you and Dan Brazilian talking about... Oh, true. I forgot about that one too. Yeah. And you know what? I felt like you guys said the nicest things. Right. I mean, listen, it wasn't until the very end

that we started to get, you know, on this talk. And, you know, Dan thought like I was a character. Hey, how can you stay in a character for this long? And that's why I invite people, hey, come to Liver King Ranch, coming out with me. You know, what you're going to see is I'm full of fucking fire and energy and having a goddamn fucking great time. You think I make up that I eat like this, that I sleep out of wooden bed, that I piss outside that you think one day, you know, like, I just said, hey, I'm going to do this, you

know? So I'll, so I saw that. Right. And I also, I expect, you know, us to talk about this. But you know what I really, really appreciate is, you know why I exist. And we already talked about this, right? People are hurting. There's a better life to live.

Start with lever. Start doing these ancestral things. Because this is my message. This other thing we're talking about right now is a small side dish. Right? So the answer has always been, do you take steroids? The question has always been, do you take steroids? Do you take PEDs?

The answer to that is no. I've always told the truth. I still tell the truth. Right? And if you look at me, so take it guess, how much you think I weigh? 260? I don't know. I weigh 195 pounds.

What, really? So I weigh 195 pounds. And here's the thing. I've been working out since I was eight. I've expressed a whole lot of my potential, not just physically, but that I, every single day I purposefully put myself into how do I get better physically, mentally, socially, actually not every day spiritually, but I do have a dedicated time where we do that every Saturday.

How do I get better in all these capacities of our being? And if you were to look at my picture when I was 15 years old, young liver king, have you ever seen young liver king? I don't think I have, huh? Young liver king has a bigger fucking chest than most bodybuilders at 30. Really? And so I'll just say I'd already been working out for seven years. And so the biggest thing is I want people to know that if you think going and eating liver

is going to get your fucking jack like liver king, you're a fucking idiot, right? Like my message has never been, eat liver look like liver king. Right. My message has always been, people are living a fucking horrific life. You guys know it because you're living it. You know you're meant for more. You don't know how to achieve it. but there's a simple, elegant way of living better,

a kick-ass fucking life. It's accessible to everybody. You can do it immediately. Start with liver. Start lifting heavy shit. Start expressing a higher and more dominant form. Right now you don't have a six-pack. In six-months, you're going to have a two-pack.

In a year, you can have a four-pack. Maybe in two years you're going to have a six-pack. You know, people almost always overestimate what they can do in three or six months. Because this happens all the time. Hey, I've been working out like you. I've been eating you. I've been doing all die ancestral tenants. I don't look like liver king.

Right. Right. And so I start cracking up and I'm like, you know, almost almost so everyone, almost everybody overestimates what they can do on a short term time horizon. Almost everybody underestimates what they can do over long term time horizon. I've been working out for 35 years. Right. And so this is what I like to share with people is if you sleep, eat, move, shield connect cold, sun, fight bond. You're going to optimize your hormone profile.

So if you get a shitty night's sleep, you're going to tank your testosterone. And you get a shitty night's sleep most nights in a row. You're going to tank your testosterone. Most people don't know this, but if you're not getting early morning sun every day to set your biosecating rhythm, if you don't finish your last meal three to four hours before bed, if you're not taking in the sunset as a final environmental cue that the day is winding down, and if you don't block the blue lights around you from fucking up your circadian rhythm even more, it's a foregone conclusion. Guess what? You got a shitty night's sleep, and you've just permanently decreased. I shouldn't say permanently, but you've decreased your testosterone by 30%. This is just the first ancestral tenant. So again, sleep, eat, move. You eat like shit. You're going to take your testosterone. You move like

shit, you're going to take your testosterone. All nine ancestral tenets. So now imagine you start living the way that our early ancestors lived. Again, I didn't invent this message. Right. Right. They're naturally strong, healthy. They're kicking ass in fucking life. This is what I want for everybody. Right. And so what I like to share with people is if you, if you're thinking about doing something like that, because you want to look a certain way, start doing the nine ancestral tenants first. Give it two years. See what you can do. Start lifting heavy shit. And see if that doesn't encourage you enough. Then you can start considering other things. When I was young,

I did a steroid cycle. Shit was fucking badass. Yeah. And did you keep the gains? Hell no. This is what people talk about all the time. They're like, and then this is funny, people write in DMs. They're like, they tell me what I'm taking. Right. And then here's something

else I was just joking around. I'd like to get your opinion on this. You know what I thought, so again, for the record, I've never taken steroids. Really? I'm thinking about doing it. Yeah. I'm thinking, you know what? When you're getting to that age, right, where it's basically considered normal, right? Joe Rogan's, Joe Rogan has done a lot to normalize being on testosterone because he's talked openly about it, which, I mean, I think it's pretty cool because, all right, here's

the thing. If you're doing steroids, that doesn't do the whole fucking job for you. There's a lot of guys out there on steroids who either look like shit or just look like fucking juice monsters where their physique, it's just so obvious that they're just sort of swollen up and just weird looking. Like, I've seen a lot of 60, 70-year-old men at the gym when I used to go to this private training gym where it was fucking weird they got veins popping out everywhere but it's like they're not really that muscular they just look retarded as fuck it's like i don't know it's a weird uh

it's a weird environment out there yeah well i thought you know what ancestral tenant 10 is have a little fucking fun right and i'm like you know what if you've built this biological resilience i always say have a little poison i i'll drink i'll do mushrooms i'll do shit like every saturday i im like you know what i'm healthy enough if i want to do a cycle i'm gonna do a cycle and how much you want to bet I turn into the incredible fucking hole You're gonna be terrified I want to be like this

Okay, you think this guy's on steroids Right? This is the guy who's on steroids That guy right fucking there They're just gonna say you up your dose Oh yeah You know what Here's the thing

You can't win with that shit Yeah yeah I don't know if you know But after all those After those accusations All that shit died down And then it became about ab implants Right yeah

People actually really think And I meet people And they say Are those actually real Right Right. And I don't know if people know this. I'm the one who invented the rumor. Right. I sat down with the full sin fucking guys and they're like, hey, man, you look fucking great. I wouldn't wear a shirt either if I look like you. And as a joke, I said, yeah, man, these are ab implants.

Right. I have 10 of them. They're 10k each. Isn't that a joke? I got 10 of them, right? I got a tin pack. Like, I'm thinking I'm being funny. They laugh. Everyone laugh. And so people actually started to say, oh, you're not very primal. I'm not going to listen to you. You got ab implants. You got hair implants. You had gene editing done. It's like whatever ridiculous accusation. You want to say, you can say it's going to be met with another fucking ridiculous accusation. Right. No, I know a lot of fucking girls on Instagram, though, who do have the fucking ab etching or whatever, and it looks fucking crazy because it's like, you'll, you know, you look at their arm and it's like they're not super low body fat. And then you look at their abs and it looks like they're, you know, super low body fat. And it's just like it's kind of disorienting. And especially for a woman, it's like, I think the average guy is looking for kind of like a slender waist, not an incredible Hulk.

waste. Yeah. The liver king waist is probably, yeah. Leave that for the men. Yeah, your torso is not what the average girl I think is going for. But some of these YouTubers want you to like submit blood work and shit. Is that out of the question? I had the blood work done. Oh, you did do this. There's a video. It's a liver king blood work. I had a prestigious doctor come in. Right. And do it. We did it all live. So if anybody ever wants to search it up. Oh, okay. Check that out. That's tight. Liver King blood work, you know. And so, you know, I'm sure I'll do another one. Right. Because, yo, when I was talking to Dan Bizarian,

this is what I didn't realize. When I always thought about steroids throughout my life, it was like you go on steroids for, you know, three months, six months, whatever it is, and then you get off of it, and you try to cycle off of it, use estrogen blockers, whatever the fuck it is so that you can try to hold onto those gains. Dan Billsarion tells me, no, you get on it and you stay on it. Like this is like for life. Like TRT.

Yeah, and I'm just like, hell, no, I'm not doing that. That sounds scary as fuck. I've got to do this perpetually. Yeah. That's wild. I don't know enough about that, but what I do know is that, you get me next to a lot of these guys that think I'm massive. They're like, oh, you're taking steroids.

You're massive. Guess what? You're actually bigger than me. I've done a lot more with my potential, right? I maintain a pretty low body fat percentage. I work so fucking hard on my abs because I'm like, you know what? As my body fat goes up, as long as I've worked really hard on my abs and my abs are showing, I look pretty good.

Right. You know, and so, but you put me next to somebody else who weighs 205, 215, 215, 220, Guess what? These guys are way bigger than me But and if you put me right next to them You could tell they're bigger than me But my physique's way fucking better than theirs And if you get ripped If you really get lean

It adds like 20 pounds Right if you know what I'm talking about And so that's the thing for me I'm like you know what I'm okay with people talking about it But I want people to know that right now The answer is no Right

I don't do it If you want to go live a kick ass fucking life Start eating liver Start working out See what you can accomplish yourself Right Because I just think it's really important when people that have this incredible megaphone they've built these platforms and

they say oh this guy's gotta be taking that shit you know I think it's a dangerous message because what they're really telling people is hey if you want to look like that you got to go do that or if you're not willing to do that guess what don't even try what I'm here to tell people is anyone can fucking look anyway they want to look and don't ever compare and measure yourself against fucking liver king right because you can be so much fucking better than me right so go be way fucking better than me but go start immediately go eat liver go lift heavy shit learn the barbarian, train the barbarian, become the barbarian, and then you're going to realize your physique is the least impressive thing about you. People think I'm fucking around,

but I really want to do the barbarian. Good. Oh, I'm going to fucking get on Amazon later today and find me a sled. Okay. I'm not fucking around. I really want to do it. I don't know why, but I want to do it. We're going to, I'm going to have you talk to my guys too. I'm going to give you a barbarian axe. It's a one-of-a-kind kind of axe. You only get it as a token to do the barbarian. and so we're going to talk about this. We're going to do a part two because once you do the barbarian, it fucking changes you. Right. I'm ready to be a barbarian.

I love it. Yeah. Good shit. Liver King. My guy. Appreciate you. Thank you for the liver, the bone marrow, and the testicles. I'm going to be talking about this for the rest of my life, probably, realistically.

I hung out with Liver King and I ate fucking testicles, not vegetables. I love it. Listen, I really appreciate you having me here with open arms. No doubt. I appreciate the entire conversation. You know, again, these are things that people can start doing today, start eating Lever, stack the sun in the earth, put down the damn phone. You're going to express a higher, more dominant form.

You're going to love your life. And so if you don't mind, I like to always finish an interviewer podcast by always saying, Lever King, out, out. Primals. Thank you for tuning in. This has been No Jumper, the coolest podcast on the world featuring Liver King. If you want, like, comment, and subscribe. Check us on on TikTok, Patreon, Instagram.

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