No Jumper - The MBNel Interview: Stockton Politics, Fake Chain Snatching Rumors & More

Episode Date: September 6, 2022

MBNEl talks about growing up in Stockton, being Asian contributed to his success, doing business the right way, not doing disses, and more. ----- 00:00 Intro 1:42 Stockton is its own little world 6:54 The first video he ever released did 20k views the first week 9:14 His second video went to 100k very fast, says being Asian definitely piques interests 12:58 Since he found a manager he learned so much more and how to go about things the right way 14:40 Doesn't carry cash anymore, got pulled over once and cops took his money 16:01 Not doing diss 17:33 Stupid Young is one of the first who taped in with Nel 18:51 Moved outta Stockton to avoid chaos and after a gang sweep in his area, his phone was taped for 6 months 21:19 How his style evolved and his broad musical influences 23:08 Nel says melodic and emo works better for his style, says rappers are too concerned about everything but the music 24:16 Some fans say he sounds like Polo G 26:58 Relationship with Empire, having real creative freedom 27:53 F*ght at the mall video, says he'd still get down if needed 29:28 The Youtube saga about Nel and his chain was made up, Youtubers doing police work 30:27 Cops for sure are watching, one day Nel was in court, judge was listening to his music, had screenshots of DMs, comments exchange, and more, so Nel is careful about everything 31:25 Says kids don't get it until it happens to them 32:34 Nel says little white kids from the suburbs instigating want you to d*e for real 38:35 International tour coming in October 41:50 Nel asks if Adam feels like he's in danger sometimes ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world is a day. We have a very special guest. I'm straight out of Stockton. M.B. Nella's in the building. How you doing, man? I'm good, man. I feel like it's been a long time coming, for sure.

Yeah? I feel like it. You think this important moment? You already been on DJ Vlad, so you already been initiated into these interview streets, right? Yeah, yeah, but I always been just watching No Jumper, so. For real? Yeah. That's dope to hear.

I hear that more and more from, like, younger people. who I realized like, oh shit, this is some shit that they were fucking going through puberty watching. Yeah, not for sure. The whole internet wave, it was for sure. That was the only interview I was really watching that and Vlad, really. Hell yeah. That's dope, man, because honestly, like, listening to music and stuff, you're super talented, so I was definitely really impressed.

I was always known your name, and I remember listening to some songs like a couple years ago, but just to really tap in, getting ready for this was, it was dope. Yeah, hell yeah, for surely. For sure. So, all right, I know you always get asked to this, but tell them a little bit about stock. Stockton, yeah. It's a small city, so everybody know each other. So, like, the, the gang shit and, like, so, so you, people will fall in that gang shit really easily. So people are join make cliques and whatever. And like I said, Stockton is so small where everybody know each other,

high schools, all close by, everybody know each other. So people get into it with motherfuckers, they went to school with and shit. But do you think there's anything in particular about it that has made a bunch of popping rappers come out of there in the last couple years because it's like there's a lot of other random cities that don't have any fucking rappers coming out of it and then for some reason

stocking feels like it's got some energy. Yeah, to be honest, I feel like it really just did come out of nowhere for real. But all that, like I said, I feel like the politics and the gang shit kind of like, kind of boost it even more because there's like shit just going on. Right.

Whether it be like the bay and sack and shit it's all kind of intertwined, kind of. Do you think Stockton's, like, influenced by the Bay and their whole culture? It's kind of have a trickle-down effect, right? Yeah, but, I mean, to be honest, Stockton really, its own thing to be on it. Like, I feel like, I mean, it does take a little bit

of his Bay culture, but, like, all in all, really, Stockton really is its own thing. Right. Like, gang bang, for example, it's not the same it is in, like, SF. Right. Like, Bloods and Crips and stuff like that. But that's one thing that I consider it basically,

the biggest difference between like Northern California and like L.A. area rap and shit is that up north, whether it's Sack or Stockton or the Bay or whatever, it's like everybody's really kind of dissing each other and making songs about each other and stuff. And then meanwhile L.A. is the fucking home of gang banging.

But for the most part, you don't see that much of it. And I mean, it does happen for sure. But it's more like straight gang shit rather than like really like making a diss song about somebody, you know? Yeah, name dropping and shit like. Right, but were you tapped into all that shit as a young kid? Like were you paying attention to a lot of the stuff that was going on with dudes like Mazi and everything?

Yeah, yeah, for sure. When I was, like, before I even started rapping shit. Right. Even then, like Chicago shit, like when I was in high school and shit, that was all I was listening to. So it was like Chicago shit. Right. I would listen to some LA shit. Like, but really, before that, like, I felt like it wouldn't like, it wouldn't really like that in Nork-Yau like disson-wise.

I mean, it was, but not to how it is. I felt like now with the name dropping and shit like that. Right. Like super detailed shit. What kind of kid were you, though? And what was your upbringing like in general? How were your parents? My parents, they came from the Philippines.

Right. Like, so I'm, what is it called? First Generation or whatever. Okay. In America. So they came to the Philippines when I was like, when my mom was pregnant with me. So, and then I,

I grew up in a South Stockton area, and that was kind of like just the, you know, environment molded me to who I am today. Right. Because obviously my parents, obviously that when you come from a foreign country, it's like they don't come here to, obviously they come here for a better life, you know what I'm saying? It's like we just came from a country where it's hell of poverty and trying to escape to get a better life just for their son to get into some street shit or whatever it is.

But it's interesting because, like, all right, if you're some dude who, like, grows up in fucking O'block or some shit in Chicago. A lot of those dudes, or even guys from gangs in L.A. and stuff, when I see how they raise their kids, it's like they 100% like from day one, it's their mission to make sure the kid is not in the streets or whatever. But from your parents' perspective, A, they don't really necessarily understand the culture, right? Yeah, they don't. They don't get that that's something that you are probably going to fall into.

And then also, yeah, I mean, that's the main factor is that they're just not aware of it. And it might not even seem as bad in comparison to where you're coming from, too, right? It ain't. So like I said, they come from a super, like a super poverty-stricken place. So like just coming to America in general, it didn't even matter what neighborhood it was. It's just like, it's a better life regardless.

Right. But obviously me, I grew up. This is what I grew up to. So it's different. You get what I'm saying? It's just straight survival for you? Like you felt like you had to click up or? I mean, it was really, like I said, you try to find yourself.

So I got just landed with certain people. I hung with and like the certain stuff that was around me my environment and shit like everybody got you feel me their own choice to get involved like you got people that's like who grew up around shit they still they go to college they you feel me they they they do way better and shit it's it's it's really a choice thing like or how you grew up on it like right but when you look back at it though like did you get into the streets because you were sort of looking for an identity were you like so did you feel like you were kind of alone and that the streets were so

that you had to sort of find your identity through a gang or whatever? Yeah, I guess you could say it like that, especially like I said when you were a kid and you see older people who's banging or I got like some cousins who was banging or like uncles or whatever. Right. And that's like, oh, that's like the cool thing to do. You get what I'm saying? Because I don't see nothing else.

It's like that's what I wanted to be. You get what I'm saying. So you start taking on characteristics and shit like shit just kind of just falls on you. Was there any sign that you? you were talented musically early on or is this something you just kind of figured out later on just something i figured out later on right like it was something i just started off on some just fun shit just messing around like you didn't you didn't even think you were going to put it out or anything yeah no like i used to always write reps and shit like in high school but i never had

like no resource to record it you get what i'm saying so uh i had this first little job or whatever and just stacked up some money off that. And my first little check, and went straight to trying to get, like, equipment. A computer, so I got a computer. Had, like, a little rock band. I had, like, the little rock band, you know, the little game, rock band mic,

and I just did that, recorded something. And when my first little check, I cashed out for a mute. I think my first, like, real music video I paid for was, like, $600. Because he had hit with subscribers. And I was thinking, okay, I get 10,000.

thousand views I'll be satisfied whatever first week that shit did like 20 000 30 thousand or some shit like that wow and it's like the first time I'm ever doing like a real video so I'm like oh shit so I just changed everything all of a sudden you like found this focus like were you sure that you were gonna stick with the music thing or did it become official once you saw that you were doing numbers uh see this this is a thing because it was like like I'm really big on like like like law of attraction and manifesting and shit like that so like When I was in the garage just making these songs and shit, I'd always, like, as a kid,

just sit in front of the mirror and shit, practice interviews. Like, oh, when I become a rapper, how to talk in the interview where, like, you feel me shit like that? That's dope, though. Yeah, like, I want this kind of car. I want, like, these type of tattoos, like, you see me? I mean, you grew up, like, without much, so you're basically, like, do you feel like you had that extra desire that you wanted to get all the things that you didn't have

when you were young? Yeah, for sure. Makes sense. When you start getting in trouble, was that always? a factor like in your childhood uh it looked like like 14 15 like 7 middle school and freshman year like shit like and was this like real serious shit or was it more just like little cases i mean it was just it start off as a little shit like everything start off as a little shit right and then that little shit becomes big shit because somebody fuck up

someone and it becomes serious like you fuck like you get me right no definitely But you never did like any like significant amount of time or you do a little bit there? Juvenile and as an adult now. I got arrested a few times. Right. And then bailed out or they'll beat that. And that was really, I never really sat down as an adult other than the juvie shit. For sure.

But so by what age do you really consider yourself like a full-fledged rapper? Probably like 19 or something. So you kind of like little later didn't have that much of a gap between like high school and starting to really have been going musically yeah like high school i wasn't really doing shit with music high school really like other than like i said uh writing but uh once i was once i was once i was able to get the funds to invest in you know recording and the videos and stuff that's when it started going up more right because i didn't have no like i ain't had no money to invest myself on like a studio i even know no studios in high school like you see right and did you start to feel like the high school

fan base was actually fucking when you right away or was it just people online watching your shit like how long did it start before it felt real i think like the second video really yeah because they hit a honey cake hella fast and all the kids in school know about with all this and stuff they're not they're not into it they're paying attention i felt like at the time there weren't uh at the time i felt like there wasn't really no stuck in the artist coming up like that right getting that amount of views like that fast like who is he like you like you feel and i felt like a big a big thing that helped that I'll be saying it's because I'm Asian. So that kind of like, like, what the fuck?

Who is this kid? Yeah, there's a natural fascination because I know you're cool, stupid young and everything. And he's somebody that, I mean, there's a reason why when I went to his neighborhood and did that vlog with him back in the day that it did like 12 million views or whatever.

I mean, realistically, that video is not really that different than any number of black gang members that I went and did videos with hanging out in their neighborhood, except for the fact. he's Asian that they're Asian and people at home are just kind of freaked out by that fuck yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah especially people in other states yeah because a lot of

places that's just totally out of the ordinary but so did you start to feel like that was your fan base right away where I was like primarily Asian people fucking with you or you feel like you appeal to everybody equally I feel like I appear to everybody equal but but I start seeing the Asian fan base go up Hillamore right as as time went on they're just loyal yeah Is it the Filipino fans or it was just Asian people in general kind of fuck leave? I feel like it's just Asian in general. Really? Like even with Filipino, I feel like there's no Filipino artists or like rapper who's like rap about the shit or come from like what I'm doing.

You feel me? But make the type of music I'm making. There are a lot of Filipino people in Stockton? Yeah. Stockton's hella diverse. Really? Filipinos, Cambodians, Mexicans, whites, blacks, like, it's everything, Indians. Right.

Type of shit. On average, though, in Stockton, is it? beefing with their own race or is it the people beefing with other races both really yeah because it's it's really like it's really about neighborhoods I guess you could say like or clicks like whatever like and then Asians beef with Asians blacks be for blacks but depending on whatever you from whatever it may be that shit don't even matter it's just oh you from there it's whatever right but I mean Stockton's like kind of a new rap scene right so it's not like do you feel like

there was anybody really kind of took you under that wing and helped show you the game or you were you kind of just forced to figure everything out yourself I ain't go a lot I I was I figured everything on myself behind it like there's people that held me a little bit with just as far as like the like the recording process and stuff like that but as far as all the other stuff like that's really all me really I feel like yeah yeah do you rather people more like vultures whereas like people trying to sign you to crazy management deals and all that kind of shit you you ever run into any of that uh

i know see like all the management shit like i figured that all that shit out later i didn't know nothing about that shit like i was touching like a couple million views here and there for like two years and i'm like damn like i'm like i'm trying to figure like

why my shit ain't going nowhere like i felt like i'm getting millions of views like you feel me and i'm like like like i'm not getting no other shit other than that i'm like what the fuck i got to do but uh my one of my close friends he tat told me you got to get a manager So he just gave me links to managers and shit

I just tapped there with a few And like, bro, it was the first one to hit me back And so then did that actually help your situation a lot? Oh yeah, definitely for sure Wow, what kind of stuff they start bringing to the table That you wouldn't have known about otherwise? Like everything, I learned tell the shit Like, when all the agreement shits, the like the lawyer shit

Like, I didn't know it was there was a deeper layer into that In music, you know what I'm saying? Right I mean, I always knew, but like really to like see it for you see it yourself first here i'm like yeah this shit's like it's business for real you know what i'm saying right but for somebody like you is it are you making most of your money from what just streaming or is it shows or the show's a big part of it or what do you make most of your money from uh streaming right now but when shoes when i do have shows though

that's a that's a big bag too that's dope but where do you tour mostly just in california have you played outside the state as well uh i did a couple the state majority though California I just came back from a show in Canada I did two in Canada matter of fact really yeah and I almost sold out the first one and the second one was sold out wow and so what what was that like being there for the first time that shit was wild I didn't expect that really yeah yeah that shit was crazy anything really stand out to you though you had to get your money changed over for the first time yeah or do you just use a credit card these days yeah I got I got cards sure I don't need to be eyes I don't even keep cash on me no

But you had to get cash, so you didn't even have cash when you went overseas though? No, uh, I'm scared to carry cash now. The world has changed. You don't like carrying cash? Just because the streets are too crazy? Nah, because it's just experiences with like getting pulled over and like, there was an incident I had to cut. It was like, it was like $2,000 or something and like police took it and I mean at that

time that was a lot to me, you know what I'm saying? Like I didn't really have nothing else, so they took that. She had me sick. Damn. Like every time I do get pulled over, it'd be fucking with me. So, like, just from that point, I was like, there's no point for me to carry cash, you feel me? Right.

Like, every single thing, I just, I don't carry cash at all. I feel like there's no point for it, you feel me? I got cards. Yeah, no, that's the same thing with me, except then I go to a restaurant and I got to pay the valet, and I just got a fucking credit card in my pocket. And I don't have any cash, and I feel like a fucking asshole. No, I'm pretty sure if you ask them that they will do that.

But, yeah, don't you, Robbie feel like that, too. Yeah, for sure. But my girl always has, like, you know, 100 bucks, 200 bucks in her purse so then she always ends up paying for it and all that i'll probably save a ton of money but not have cash on me honestly i'm glad to e-a-mar girl leave the tip leave the cash tip that's smart um okay but uh in terms of your whole come-up has do you feel like beefing has played a role in your come-up or do you feel like it's been mostly musical has there been times where you getting into it with people that's sort of been like a thing that the fans latch on to?

I feel like not because I don't really be dissing and shit in my music. You know what I'm saying? I try to like stay away from that. Like I don't like having spotlight on other, you get what I'm saying? I just try to just focus on. Like I could get cloud and I could make good music without having to mention, you know what I'm saying? Like other people and shit. So I try to stay away from that.

I try to just be more organic with it. Other than that, like, you know when my fuckers make a diss song and be somebody who's not popping or nobody and nobody care about somebody make a disc song they get their couple thousand a million views off that it went viral a little bit but it's like right people don't care for you other than just they want to hear another another dish off you you you know what I'm saying right but I mean all right so the other day my boy T-rail interviewed bounced back meek and then I was looking at some of his stuff and I noticed that he had an interview clip up that said that you dissed him at some point and he was reacting to it or whatever

what what's that situation but I don't know this I don't do no this I don't do no this He took something out of context or what? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah, he just took some out of context. I don't know on this. Okay. Interesting. I don't know.

I don't know how forthcoming, I believe that you're being, but... Huh? I don't know if you're being honest with me, but... No, I'm being honest. Okay. For sure. Okay, but how did that... How did this stupid young relationship come about?

He's one of the first few, like, bigger artists that tapped in, like, years ago. I think it was like 2017 or some shit 18 or something uh-huh yeah tapped in wanted to do a song and then uh he already knew folks that i knew and stocked in so it kind of just it all just panned out like perfectly you feel me right we linked up shot the video we just connected from there right you still haven't been to long beach yeah i've been in long beach a couple times oh really you tapped in with them while you're out there yeah no that's that's that's that's better for sure what was that experience like it's it's cool it's it's it's it's it's It's different for sure.

Right. But, like, shit, when I went out there, showing her little love. They're right there on the beach. Yeah, that shit different. I don't know if stupid young and them are going to the beach too much, though. For sure. I don't know. They might be.

But. We got a beach. I'm to the beach. Yeah? You don't go to the beach much where you're at? How far is it from Stockton? The closest beach would probably be, like, two hours. Two hours.

Yeah, it's kind of rough. Almost three hours. Right. Definitely. You still stay in Stockton or do you get out of there at some point? I'm out of there. I got two spots. I got a spot in Stockton and then spot somewhere else.

Right. But. You just felt like, did you want to get out of there just because you wanted to avoid beefing and shit, or do you want to get out of there because the cops are kind of on you? It was a little bit of both. Like, after the little indictment shit, I was like, who off that? Like, I didn't want to throw shit under my name and that, so. Right.

But I got two spots, though. Wait, what did you get indicted for? It was like a big-ass gang. sweep so they just hit everybody everybody's phones was tapped and they just had like a big ass investigation going it was all type of shit but uh your phone was tapped yeah my phone was tapped like like six months and everybody else like everybody on their phones was tapped and everything really and i won't even the first time my phone bit tapped a couple times wow and so they call they what they just arrest everybody and then how does it go from there uh they hit they hit you they hit

your house and what they do is they hope to find something or you know pull you over whatever see luckily they find shit at the house like because i'm not even i'm not stupid i don't you know what you what i'm saying but uh they found a little like just pills like little pills that's it and they try to give you a case for the pills or what yeah that was it oh okay so that that shit was that shit was easy but did a bunch of people get locked up in that yeah hell of people got locked though just because they found they i don't know what they found whatever they found with the guns or from whoever else But Stockton's getting like tough on crime at this part right because I seen some shit on the news Just them talking about like little kids getting shot and shit like that and how they're they're really getting serious about cracking down on crime

Yeah for sure it's gonna be up it's gonna be big and diamond climbing I feel really yeah, but That's that's I feel me right Better just keep your nose clean you didn't go did you like come to L.A. when you're growing up and shit? No, is just too far away? Yeah, but I'm so used to this drive now right I just I like Like I was just out here the other day by myself. I drove to LA, drove back the same day. And I do that shit regular now, just driving out here and shit. Just to link with people or what are you doing out here for the most part?

Yeah, link, music videos, studios and shit like that. Networking really. But when you talk to people who don't understand California, do they think that you're basically like from LA? Yeah. Is that kind of weird? If not LA, they'll think I'm from like SF or something. I'm like, that's hella different.

Yeah, it's a complicated land. landscape for people to understand because it's such a gigantic fucking state like people people think cali they just automatically think just LA yeah yeah no for sure um so in terms of the music and everything I feel like you've kind of gone through like a stylistic overhaul over the years like you kind of came in rapping in a little bit more of like a simple manner I guess and then like over time you've like started fucking with your style more and added more melody and just sort of switching shit up like where where did that kind of desire come from uh just other music and shit and like the influence of other music my uh my pops he uh like he he he was like part of like

a fake way band thing like bro like he's super Filipino like he's an old like he's a old ass Filipino dude who's into like that shit so so when I'm at the house he just playing his music loud as fucking the garage like playing with the with the little DJ's shit like he'll listen like Bon Jovi and Journey and shit like that. Right. So, like, growing up, I had, like, a big-ass palette of music. I was just listening to everything.

But as far as me, starting, like, trying to do different shit, bro, I just, I just look at this rap shit, bro, like, it's really working now for me, you feel me? Like, why should I box myself just to do one thing when the whole point of it is to elevate, you feel, me, make more money and just, you get what I'm saying? Right. Yeah, because, I mean, there's a lot of people who are out here, you know, doing a million views off of, like, doing some street shit, this song. type shit.

And it's kind of like an easy way out where it's like you can get some views in the short term and get people talking about you but ultimately like a label's not going to sign you

just because you did a great job of making fun of your fucking enemies on a song or whatever. And if police really on you you're not going to want to do that. Exactly. They don't fuck with you. Because you're going to be very

especially if you start getting arrested or you start having a high profile beef you're not going to be able to talk about that shit anymore. So it's like kind of a bad thing to base a career around but a lot of those rappers feel like they're stuck in a box

where they can't rap about anything else because their fans won't listen to it. Were you ever nervous about like shit maybe they're they're not going to appreciate me being a little bit more sentimental or melodic on songs? A little bit but I seen how good like the melodic and more sentimental shit did. I feel like that's I get I get more love off that than my regular rapping shit so that's why I feel like I kind of gravitate doing that more. Right. And I'm like see I'm the type of dude I'm like I really don't be caring about like a pain and trying to be ex-shed out hard you get what I'm saying

like I really just want to express the creativity and you know see how far I could take it with the shit because at the end of the day like I ain't like do this rapping shit and take on the shit like to make friends or be accepted you get what I'm saying like I feel like a lot of rappers be doing the shit to be locked in with certain people or right you feel me just just to fit in or like you've been me like lock in with people make all these friends and beat like you see me y'all look cool in the video like I don't care

about none of that shit like you're trying to get to it like I just I just want to do this make this bag at the end of day that's really all this about like I do this shit and make friends and shit right who they tell you you sound like the fans like who I sound like yeah they be sound that they be saying outrageous shit they be saying like Polo G well yeah but you don't think you sound a little bit like him I don't think so I mean it probably like the melody like the melodizing right I felt like he's like a street rapper from Chicago that easily could have gone in the direction of making drill music,

and you still do hear them on some songs where he'll pretty much be just straight rapping, but he figured out at a certain point that he would have a different type of career if he inserted some melody in. So I guess I can see why people do make that comparison because you guys both kind of did have a similar trajectory, I guess. Yeah, yeah, so the comments I'll be seeing.

But, like, you see the fans love that finer things and shit, like that melodizing shit, that pain shit. Right. That's how I see it. There's a little of that shit. Yeah, definitely. Do you notice more girls being into your shit as a result as well? Yeah.

Like, I've been just trying to, like, branch out and do, like, different type of shit. Like, the last time I just dropped as you shit. Like, I've been trying to do, like, all type of different shit. Right. Get different fan bases, just, you broaden that. You know what I'm saying? Right. I don't want to, like, box myself.

Do you still feel, like, going back to the street-type stuff as well? Or is that kind of something? I just bounce back and forth. Like, I'd, like, I'd, like, I'd, like, I'd, I'll do like a, you know, like a pop sound song, do like a little lyrical song, come back to a street, little song or whatever, do another little melody song. Right. Come back to a pain song. Like, I'm really just trying to like, I'm not trying to limit myself, you know what I'm saying?

Like, I really want to take it, just take it a step further, you get what I'm saying? For sure. When did you actually decide to sign, or what was that like? What, with Empire? Yeah. I think the first deal I got with it was like 2018 I think oh okay so you signed that early all right yeah early early on this was before I even had a manager okay none of that it was my my partner monk he uh he he helped me put that together but I had no I but really it all I had no managers

I was doing all that shit about myself no promotion nothing right I just and and every and then I'm signed to them and every single beat on there was YouTube beats did it own it nothing Really? All type of create. That was my first, first, first project. So how do you get all those beats cleared if they're YouTube beats? I don't know. I had no guidance doing this shit.

Like I had no idea what I was doing. I'm just, you feel me just going with it, downloading beats, record off that. But has the Empire thing, you think it's been good for you overall to help take your career the next level? Yeah, definitely. Just because my creative freedom. I basically do it.

basically do what I want just funding here I just you know what I'm saying just try to wiggle my path myself you get what I'm saying definitely but I feel like because I see all these other like artists complain about labels but it's like I get it but it's just creative for you know like you're you really are independent for real right you got any artists under you that you're trying to push or are you mostly just focus on your your own career like like on the team like yeah like could you imagine yourself sort of having a bunch of artists signed to you or as part of a yeah that's what i'm trying to work on right now because i got a couple of homies who rapping shit so like even if it's not like no serious label shit at least put him in a little

bit of position to get more eyes on him you get what i'm saying right no for sure that's my goal for real everybody position so i sudden this video are you getting in a crazy-ass fight at the mall back in the day oh yeah that that what was exactly going on in that and is Is that the type of stuff that I could expect to encounter if I were to go to Stockton? I mean, you'll counter that if you somebody, like, if you, if somebody was a part of shit, like, you get what I'm saying? Right. Or if you affiliated with certain things.

But that was just awesome. You feel me, fluky shit? Right. If I just started gangbanging on each other, words exchange, that was it. Right. Is that the kind of situation that you're avoiding entirely these days, like in terms of going to the mall and just getting into a brawl? Or is it still a possibility?

It's still a possibility. Right. But you feel me? But what's that like, though, like to be so far into your career and to still have people feel like that's their sort of ace up their sleeve when they get into a beef with you or whatever to be like, oh, check out this video from, because it's like a long-ass time ago, right? Long-ass time ago. That shit was like, I was like a senior in high school or some shit.

I don't even like a junior. I don't even remember, to be honest, but that was a long-ass time ago. Right. Yeah, but I mean it is kind of weird because it's like feels like with a lot of the street stuff It's like it doesn't matter if it happened when you were fucking 12 people are just gonna hold it against you forever like boy We move like knock it off right so you're not too worried about that you don't think that really moves the fans too much or anything I didn't worry about it was like as far as the video was it was like a couple dudes and went like two of us three of us Right definitely what's uh as long as we're on the topic though I saw a whole little

saga go down between you and a YouTube channel where they they basically like put out a video saying like we have insider information that you got robbed or whatever and then you actually you you like dropped an Instagram comment or a tweet or some shit that was basically like no that's that didn't happen and then this guy makes another video right away to just be like hey he acknowledged me no studio it was all it was all totally fucking made up made up yeah studio they can't even they can't even say what studio I was like right out chase the shit What's that like to be a target of

Youtubers just fucking add in these narratives to your life? It is what it is used to that It's like a weird feeling though watching little documentaries about yourself ever? No, it's a show weird especially the little like the little like gang vlog shit Right Like y'all doing a police job y'all doing all type of shit right that shit's crazy No yeah we had a lawyer on here a Mo Gangat and he told us that for sure the cops watch all that shit for sure and it helps them put shit together guaranteed

when I when I after that loan or not even the indictment when I when I got that little gun charge before the indictment I'm in court the DA's playing my music video this is why I'd be so scared about like saying certain things and songs or on Instagram because I'm in court the DA's pulling up my music videos and you what I'm saying just all type of shit like that or like after indict me I'm we're looking at the discovery packet is none of the screenshots from Instagram Facebook like conversations on comments like Like shit you don't even expect.

Wow. I'm like, yeah, I'm scared to do all that. I ain't doing none of that. All that texting shit or like, yeah, fuck all that. I mentioned anything on Instagram, YouTube. Like, they really sat there, pulled up videos. Oh, you said this, bo, woo, boop. Or like, who's this in this video?

They screenshot it. Stop it. Like, oh, this is such and such in this video. It's like, oh, yeah, that's scary. All I can say is for the new generation of kids, hopefully that they're able to look at something like the YSL Rico. They don't get it. They don't get it until it happened to her.

Right. Hopefully they're able to look at that and be like, oh, okay, I need to either like knock it into the streets or be extremely careful with how I move. Because when you see that shit, I mean, that just made me really like combed through my brain and just think like, damn, did I ever like text anybody about anything shady? Because this shit is fucking crazy how if they're motivated, they can put together whatever the fuck they want. I wouldn't even be able to find my own text from like five years ago if I wanted.

wanted to. Yeah. And somehow they're able to find group chat combos with young thug from 2015. You don't even got to, you don't even have to be the one to say something. It could be your friend saying some stupid-ass shit and now Bob, now you're just in a mix of that. It's stupid. Like, motherfuckers don't get that shit till that shit till that shit happens to him. Right. So all that internet and shit and like, I'm cool off that. Like, what motherfuck's gonna do if they go to jail? Ain't got no bail money. You get what I'm saying? Like, like, what should I be able to do? Like, You get with me? Right.

But then the fans, at this point, too, it's some crazy shit. Like, the fans really feel like they get to have, like, input into how the street shit should go. And I realized that when I seen videos of, like, a little white kids saying, oh, we don't fuck with a little Dirk

because he didn't slide for Vaughn. And you see that all the time, and it's like, yeah, this is rapid shit. You got to have thick skin doing this shit for sure. You can't let no little shit like that get to you. You guys going to be everywhere. Be little suburban kids.

Yeah. Instigating. Like, they want some. money to die. Really? You feel like that's even on a Stockton level that you see that shit as well? Yeah, for sure. Y'all from out of town, little nerd kids. Like, y'all instigating hell of the shit. I want somebody really get killed over this shit. You know, y'all safe at home on YouTube. Right. Like, you know what I mean? It's real shit going on. Y'all just entertained by this shit. Definitely. Like I said, you got to have thick skin. I ain't worried about none of that shit.

So, recently, a week or two ago, a young Sloby lost his life in Stockton. But as just like a music fan and somebody who's seeing everything coming out of there, like what do you think the effect of that is going to be on the cities? That's going to fuck a lot of fans up and shit? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, he has shit going out in the city. Right. I mean, I don't go alive for me.

Because you guys had some issues at a certain point? No, I had no issue. We had no issues. Okay. You know what? But wasn't somebody that they were close with or anything? He said what? He wasn't somebody that you were.

close with or anything? No, we went close. But, uh, you know what I really know him like that. Right. I mean, we did some shit in the past, like some music shit. Okay. But it's pretty crazy though. Just like, seen it's stuck and crazy.

It's all type of shit going on. It's stuck there's crazy. Right. Because when you look at like, you know, there's like so many fucking rappers from up north that, like the biggest rappers from certain areas. I feel like the brist thing like fucked a lot of fans up in the head as well. Yeah.

So type of shit. but like I said it's just just you got know how to maneuver right definitely um okay so how uh oh this one question I want to ask you is uh you ever seen the Dia's brothers around Stockton uh I seen uh I seen Nate or not or I get mixed up between the two which ones the the main one the the smaller one I think the smaller one is Nick but I forget because they're Both, like, fucking badasses, and they're both, like, relatively similar size, I think. Yeah, I only seen one of the brothers, though. I used to see them at the little casino.

Right. The little casinos are out there and Stockton and load it on and shit like that, the outskirts and shit. I mean, it's pretty funny, though, that, like, I feel like that actually helps Stockton's reputation in terms of people thinking it's a crazy-ass place, because of all the UFC fighters I ever seen, they are definitely two of the fucking craziest in the sense of, like, getting into fights, after fights, you know, getting into fights, like, in the, the fucking locker room or wherever they've gotten their fights like outside the ring afterwards or even something about like when when you see them like winning the fight and

there's still this they got this stockin-ass attitude just looking around still just like feeling like something might still pop off even though you're in the middle of this fucking octagon that's just good show look show other motherfuckers who don't know about it like yeah definitely feels like that probably has like helped a lot of people think that stockton's an intimidate in place yeah you were never into martial arts uh huh you never martial arts? Nah, I ain't go along I want to though. Right.

I want to get it in that shit. That's how I used to feel too, and then I did it for like a year, and then I just gave up because it's a lot of work. Jiu-Jitsu, dude, that shit drains you. I want to get my mind, body right, you get my mind, body right? You get what I'm saying? Right. Learn new skills.

Yeah, what's your lifestyle like these days in terms of what you spend most of your time on and what's important to you? My daughter, for sure, family and shit. growing up for a like I really have a like a super close relationship with my family of your shit because I feel like I was like the like the black sheep out there you sort of separated yourself yeah like you've been just a shit I'm getting into so but after this little rapist shit came up you feel me I just kind of broke out that little that little shell trying to get closer and shit so like I really just been trying to catch it with family my daughter and shit right you got any hobbies

outside of music? I've been trying to get into the little outdoor shit, to be honest. I ain't even go to lie to you. That's that, that's that, that's that Filipino in me. What do you be doing outside? I don't go lying. My pops, they was in the, like, shit like fishing and camping and shit. So, like, I never didn't know camping shit or no, like, shit like that until, like, later,

later after, like, I was able to move or, like, once I started, once I started, Once I started having a little money, that's when I was like I started delving in trying to do different shit. Right. So, like, all that type of shit is cool. Yeah, no, for sure. Like, that's when I'm, even this week, it's different. It's kind of like, I grinded pretty hard all week doing interviews and shit. And then tomorrow I just know that I'm going to the fucking beach with my kid.

And it just feels like, oh, that's like straight vacation time. Like, that's how I'm going to reward myself is just basically getting to just be outside in the sun with my fucking girl and my kids. It should be crazy. So I feel like just, you know, taking that time out with your family. family, your kids and shit, like, is valuable for sure. You got to let yourself slow down like that. Because I got friends who are straight hustlers, bro, who honestly, like, I don't, I don't think they really ever slow down like that. That they don't ever really take time off.

And ultimately, it's like, man, I think that's all bad. Like, you got to chill up. Fast lifestyle, but. Yeah. No. Definitely. Okay. So what are the people at home need to keep an eye out for or anything?

that you got dropping that you're excited about? Like music-wise? Yeah, yeah, or anything else. Next week, I got a, well, I don't know when this video is going to drop. I just been dropping singles, but I got an EP coming. That's called Starting and South. So I'm dropping that. So I got a tour coming up in October, and it's going to be an international tour.

Oh, wow. Like, it's not just going to be states. Like, I'm not going to be my first time performing, like, at a country. Well, not my first time because I performed Canada. but really taking it other places like i'm trying to we're trying to get to australia and shit like that so you'd be looking at the youtube analytics and you can see that people fuck with the shit so you know you got a fan base out there yeah for sure it's crazy because i think right now top five on my streaming is is australia's on her three times top five stocked and not even on top two

really yeah it's crazy that is crazy because probably a lot of a lot of people might assume that somebody like you has primarily a California fan base, so that's actually really interesting. I think recently, I think number one was L.A., which was surprising to me. Number two is like Melbourne or some random that shit like that. Really? Yeah. That's pretty amazing, for sure. Stockton was like number, like 15 or some shit, 18.

Yeah. Interesting. Well, Stockton has to start doing their part, but I guess it's small population that they're dealing with, so it's not as. It's like, it's like a, for the size, it's a big population, I guess. Oh, really? Okay. But like I said, that's why I said is it's smarts where, like, you fin to run into, you fin to run into somebody you win with it, too, or, you know what I'm saying?

You end with it with people that you grew up with it or went to school with, so. Next time I'm driving up to the bay, I'm going to go out of my way to stop in Stockton and grab a-beater yet. Grab a burger or something. I mean, I've been driven by, I've seen the signs on the highway, but I never had the gall to get off. It had to pop out. pop out with me uh man but i love that whenever you're driving up north and you just pull over to get some and i'll always like i was in san bernardino and i was just like filming like some uh because they

had like the oldest macdonalds in the fucking world or some shit and i'm filming it and oh my god my dns just filled with people are like you're in san bernadino what the fuck i'm like try that old ass macdonalds or nah but it's like a museum like you can't even order anything now that's the one with that big ass m and the little statue right yeah i think so yeah But that made me realize, like, I got to be careful. I can't post it when I'm actually stopping by. Yeah. For sure.

I heard you, nigga, a couple times almost got shot and shit. At the last studio, that's why y'all left. This all type of shit went on. Well, okay. At the old store on Melrose, a fucking dude ran in with a BB gun. Basically, like, I don't know what kind of stunt he thought he was more. It was just a random-ass shit. Random-ass fan.

Like, when I went and looked, he tried to DM you like a million times. and then at the last spot a YouTuber did show up with a gun but it's not like he really tried to do anything with it actually I don't know he said he had a gun we have no idea if he had a gun but now we got a guy who's hired to be here with a gun so yeah we probably should have had that all along for showly that's crazy hey man

rappers aren't the only ones who get into the bullshit out here although to be honest I thought so how do you feel about that feeling like you in danger You feel like you be in danger? I feel like I earned it. You know? Like I put in enough work that people could even feel that strongly about me. So I got to just take the negative with the positive, you know?

Yeah. And also, to be honest, I mean, I move around super fucking regular. So it's different when we're here. But 99% of my time, I'm not really worried about it. Yeah. Plus, I'm ready to blame my motherfucker down. For sure. All right.

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