No Jumper - The Montana of 300 Interview: Chicago Drill, Gang Politics, Battling Jadakiss For 750k & More

Episode Date: February 10, 2022

Illustrious and inspiring interview by Montana 300! From his artistic intentions to his purpose and wanting to lead by example, Montana talks about being his authentic self as opposed to what some people expect from him. Enlightening! https://www.instagram.com/montanaof300/ ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today we have the legend Montana of 300 in the building. How are you doing my guy? I'm all good, man. Thanks for having me. Very nice to have you here, man. Yeah, appreciate it. I feel like I'm one of many people out there that have seen your videos over the years,

but never really felt like I fully understand where, understood where you were coming from. So I think this will be a very, very enlightening conversation. I mean, I think if you do follow my music, whether you just getting in tune or not, I think some of it certain songs I tell my story, you know, and kind of self-explanatory. But I got a lot of elements of hip-hop that I put in my music. You do. As far as just from who I am, you know, my story, black history, you know,

teaching, you know, parenthood, you know, I got two sons, I got a daughter. So sometimes I put, I sprinkle certain things in my music that's really for them. But I know it might fall on the ears of, other, you know, boys and girls who may not have a father in their life, you know what I'm saying? For sure. Like, when you were first coming out, I very much kind of felt like, obviously there was just this huge wave of Chicago music coming out of that time. Chicago had not really been considered like a big, big hub for hip-hop up to that point. Obviously, respect to the legends, like Twisted in Common and shit.

And then it was just like, there's all this music of a very specific sort coming out. And then there's also Montana 300 just actually kind of representing hip-hop in an entirely different way, way more lyrical, way different. But were you rapping for like a long time before the whole drill way it popped off? Yeah, I was. So I always been a big fan.

Growing up, I've been a fan of hip-hop since I was a little kid. Before I even knew I wanted to rap, it was like, you know, Tupac, he had the juice when it came to rap, you know, in my household, at least. So it was like, Tupac for me, then as I got a little bit older, it's like, okay, DMX, you know, Tupac had passed, So it was like a second coming or something

that was like Pock, but he had his own style a little way more aggressive, you know what I'm saying? That's interesting. Acknowledging guys sometimes and stuff like that. So I paid attention to all that type of stuff. Then like, right when DMX blew it kind of the same time, Cash Money was doing their thing, you know? So I was a big fan of Cash Money Records.

And then when they broke up, it was kind of like just Wayne. So watching him grow and do this stuff metaphorically, it's like that's what set him apart from all these other rappers is, you know, the way he could, you know, the 2007 Wayne, like, bars back to back to back to back that's blowing your mind. It's like nobody else is doing that. And it's not even just the fact that nobody else is doing it,

but nobody else, it's not too many rappers that can do it. That has the ability of the option to just go do that at will. And I'm like, man, I want to master that and be able to do that. You know what I'm saying? If I could do that, then that can make me untouchable. You know what I'm saying? So I always been a fan of hip hop.

And it's not necessarily like, I'm just going to go follow Chicago rappers because I'm from Chicago. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, you could learn something from anywhere. And I was always pulling in things and I always been a big movie head. So I've been pulling all these great things and great ideas and just piece of stuff together really myself.

So when Chicago, the drill wave just happened, it was just like, you know, I'm from Chicago and they're rapping about that. Like, I can rap about that too. I know about that. I'm no stranger to that type of lifestyle, you know. But I always been smart and I always been an intelligent kid, you know, growing up and stuff like that

and I paid attention. Right. So that was like a, the drill, like, drill stuff. was like, you know, nothing to me. I was like a piece of cake like, you know, do that in my sleep. You know what I'm saying? But if I add this metaphorical stuff, you know, to it and stuff like that, and then, you know, they say with great power comes great responsibility.

So as I'm gaining my fan base and I'm seeing as people looking up to me, you know, stopping me for pictures and things like that is like, you know, you become more conscious aware of what you're putting out there. It's like, I want to put out good stuff too, not just to shoot them up and bang, bang because that's a trend. It's like, man, my kids is watching. It's other kids watching. It's, you know, my brothers is watching.

out here that don't got a big bro or big homie in their life telling them nothing positive you know what I'm saying so I'm like gotta make sure I give them something useful that they could walk away with after hearing me or walk away with and apply in life that make them a better person well it's just crazy because if anything stood out about what was going on with the whole drill scene at that time it was that the lyrics were incredibly simple like I'm sure plenty of those dudes could have wrapped in a more technical style but that just wasn't popular at that time at all it was like if anything stood out about it It was like, oh, this is the most stripped down, simplest version of gangster rap that you could kind of imagine. So did you feel like you got a lot of blowback at that time for rapping that way? Or do you feel like instead you actually just attracted all the people who were looking for that kind of content?

No, I think because I kind of came up with, because at the time, I wanted a deal. You know, I didn't know all the knowledge that I had now about the industry and stuff like that. So it was just like, I was like, okay, well, this is my thing. And maybe if I dumb my stuff down and then like every fourth or sixth line, I hit them with a super dope line that's, you know what I'm saying? Like, how do you think of that? You know what I'm saying?

Or how do you put this together? I'm like, I'm going to do it like that. Maybe I'll help my fan base grow even more if I move like that. So I started doing that and I start watching it grow some, you know? And I'm just watching people get on and get deals and major features and stuff like that. And I'm just like, I'm just not popping for me. I'm not getting a break. You know what I'm saying?

And then I just really got faith. fed up really and I was like man whatever the next remix come out is like I'm gonna just destroy it I'm not letting back I'm gonna give it all of me you know what I'm saying right and the next remix that happened to come out was that that blew up well the next song that came out that blew up was it was like the last two rappers in chicago didn't have a deal was montana 300 and g herb was the name at the time and it was like I think he had like 18 000 followers on instagram which was a lot at the time and I had like 6,000 and it was And then I just looked at one day.

He's like, man, he got a song with Nikki Minaj. And it's like, and then like a day or two his follow him went from 18 to 81,000. Like, she gave him like four shoutouts. And I'm like, I can't get a break for shit. You know what? So I'm like, so they got this song out. And I'm like, you know what? That's something like, this is the one I'm going to do.

Like, I'm going to stop holding back. I'm going to like, lyricly I'm going to just kill both of their ass. Right. Like Nikki and Herb. And it's like, and I went and dropped it and recorded it and dropped it. And it just went viral and just changed my life. You know what I'm saying? So that was the first one that really popped off.

Because in my head, it's the Try Me, the Dejillo remix. It was the Shirek. That's what got everybody. Like most fans, that was the first time you're helping me. They were like, Shyrak. You know? Okay. So by the time I did, like I did Shirek that was like May 2014.

Then at summer I did the Bobby Smurter, hot nigger. Shout out to Bobby Smurter. Oh, that's coincidence because we were just talking about how he was just here. Yeah. And I did him. I did his track. And then I dropped the solo. original song called Holy Ghost that was that was real crazy and um that's when they

sing then it was like way out of they realize the whole concept is like biblical spiritual you know religion you know god talk stuff like that mixed up with gangster rap and it's like who's ever done this you know what I'm saying before so I got people reaching out to me and labels and stuff like that then I think like October I did the tribe me remix and that the views on that was just like 100,000 a day right you know what I'm saying for like three weeks straight type stuff you know what I'm saying and uh and that was a lot at the time back then a million views meant more than what it meant today you know what I'm so um it's like 70 million or some shit right right and um you're not seeing the money from that I think I did not remixes but the thing is

it brings it puts people on your music and it brings attention awareness to you I was just wondering because like a lot of your hits were on the elevator channel early on right right yeah yeah and um like I did the computers remix with Bobby Smarter right yeah yeah so uh that too and I think I did the Coco remix I love with the Coco, stuff like that. So that was just, and everybody was like, dang, when is he dropping the album? You know what I'm saying?

Like, he got these bars. And there was people formulating, like, oh, all he could do is this. Like, he doesn't make hits or songs or singles, you know what I'm saying? That's always the risk you take is that you're going to get viewed as just a lyricist. Exactly, exactly. And it's like, no, I'm not like one of these battle rappers. Like the stuff that battle rappers get, they can't make songs.

They're going to do battle rappers. Like, no, I've been studying enough of music and a student of hip hop long enough to where I can do multiple things y'all just haven't seen it yet so I really watched from my fan base being in the beginning like all black people you know what I'm saying like sometimes I wouldn't even get to perform because they end up fighting right and it'd be like I got paid anyway but like now I really wanted to share my craft turn up with my fans you know in this town or this city and um and once I start showing like I can make a song for females you know like my biggest song is wife and you that's a song for the females and I start making songs like that I start watching my crowds change like

Now it's black and white people Now the crowd is becoming mixed You know Like there's Arab people here It's Muslims you know it's this You know all that type of stuff I'm seeing some Mexicans in here Blah blah blah blah

And I'm I start watching the change so much And um You know And it's some people that's just A lot of hours need to know There's no way to possibly please everybody You know what I'm saying And it's just some people that's like

Man I want to hear the gangster shit In my time you know And you got some female like Come right in line after the meeting And be like could you make some more songs Like wife and you make some more songs For the females like you just give us like one on the album and that's it.

Girls are fucking weird, right? Because, like, they're not as brand conscious, like, with guys, like, we want to listen to the rappers that we already know and we like, but with the girls, I feel like they can really just, like, find a song they like and not care who the artist is,

which is different for guys. Guys want to know who they're listening to. Right, right, yeah, a lot of guys, and some guys, it's like, it's just always about, like, you know how you see a movie, and then beginning the movie and you see based on the true stories,

oh, like, it instantly means so much more than you. You know what I'm saying? Like, you instantly like, really happen. like it's a lot of people that's like that. It's like a kid mentality really like with rappers. Like, oh, they say he really caught a gun charge. You know, he really caught it.

So that means everything he wrapped about guns is true because he caught three gun cases. And we're all kind of dumb like that. We all kind of fall into it a little bit. Or at some point of time, you know what I'm saying? You come up. You know, it's like they wouldn't really know. Some people's like, I don't believe him.

I don't think he really did this. I don't think he's from Chicago. I heard he's not from Chicago. But if your girl loved the song and you told her that, you would sound like such a hater. Exactly, exactly. And they don't know, you know, they say stuff like that in front of their girl. A whole time your girl was just on his page, you know what I'm saying, watching or just playing this song when you wasn't around.

Right. You know, so it's funny, man, but I never cared about anybody, like, trying to bash me or, you know, complain because it's like, if you didn't like that song, that song wasn't for you. Right. You know what I'm saying? But so early on, like, what was your perspective on really seeing, like, like, I'm assuming you had been around, like, you know, street shit or, like, gang shit? Yeah. But then all of a sudden, you're really seeing, like, the gang warfare element of hip hop just amplified so much in that early Chicago drill wave. What was your perspective on that?

And, like, were you old enough that you were kind of looking at it? Like, this shit is out of control. It's just crazy. Chicago's been out of control. It's just that now the light is on it. You know what I'm saying? And if you go to history of Chicago, it's like, all that was Chicago. Like, before that even happened, it was people that was like, I'm not going to Chicago.

Like, I heard, you know what I heard about Chicago. And the thing is that, you know, you know, you know what? thing is that, you know, music is powerful. So it's making more kids, you know, if you tell somebody all day, you know, would you rather go do this work that's like two plus two,

five plus two? Or would you rather go over here and you're dealing with geometry and shapes? And it's like most people are going to run to the easier work. And that's kind of how it is. Like drill so simplified that even a 12-year-old can relate to every line, you know, that it's just heard. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, they're going to feel like this is

rappers I can relate to. I'm saying? They talk about shoot an op in the head. I know what the op is. That was the only challenge. I know what is the app. You know what I'm saying? Exactly. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, oh, you know, and then this dude over here is talking about, you know, there ain't nothing hotter than moire. Just like the devil's kiss. Like, what the hell is moire. You know what the hell is. Like, what the hell is. And it's like, something that's like, oh, I don't know what that challenges them. What makes them. It's like, oh, I don't know what that challenge is. What makes them hear. It's like, oh, I don't know what that word is. Let me look that up. Right. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to look that up. It's crazy how that happened to hip hop over the years. Because at first or early days of hip hop,

it was kind of all about like you being the dude who could wow people with your lyrics. How clever you are. Who's the most clever or who's the smartest? Somebody should be able to rap. You should be able to tell, man, that dude is pretty smart. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, I remember some dude came up to me

and asked he rap one day. And the very first thing out of his mouth was, I'll kill a nigger mama. It's like, oh, shit. Like, fuck the dude. He just been straight to the movie. What happened? What happened?

I swear the guy that was his first line, and that was at a basketball game, you know. Holy shit. And so that's kind of what's, you know, I got a song called Homecoming King, you know, and it's super deep, but it's basically for anybody that's ever been in the street life or that might get into it or that's been in it, you know what I'm saying, they could all relate to it and it's a big message in it and stuff like that that I think everybody really needs to hear whether you've been in the streets or not, you know what I'm saying, it just will affect people more that's actually been there, you know, but it's made me think about Chicago so much, you know what I'm saying?

It's like a lot of people don't know or realize that I even just been looking at stuff like this. Like, it's like somebody who dissing me, right, from Chicago? It's like, oh, somebody might ask me interview. So, say, so, say, what you think about that? And it's like, that's, I love him. That's my brother. He just doesn't know that we're brothers. He's not, he's not that smart yet.

You know what I'm saying? Like, or if my little brother, I could put him in a hell, I can do this to him. can do, you know, a number of bad things to him, but once you realize this is your brother, you know what I'm saying? Some people would just meet their brother today. Like, oh, you didn't know? Yeah, we met each other at age 21. We didn't even know he was brothers.

That stuff is happening in the world, you know what I'm saying? And it's like, we can all sit here and agree with God's children, but then forget that the instance we see each other. Why are you in competition? You don't even know him. Right. Because of how fly he is. I can tell girls like him.

When you look at, he's in my way. When you look at most, like, gang conflicts, there are groups of people who are so, similar in so many ways. They listen to the same music. They wear the fucking same clothes. They smoke the same weed. And they live usually within like a mile or two of each other. And that they treat each other like they're the enemy and that they want to murder them. When in reality, the enemy is the circumstances that they've grown up under that doesn't give them any opportunities. And if they were really clued in, they would want to fucking, you know, unite, really. Exactly. And a lot of things just happened because we don't use one of the things we have,

which is our mouth, you know, like our, to be the ability to communicate. You know what I'm saying? Like so many, it's so many times. Very little times that you see somebody like get to talk through something. Or I ran in him. I ran in him. We seen what was up. And then you'd be surprised how many people that didn't walk back to their crowd

or walk back to their group. Like, oh, no, he's cool. He won't. Because he's just like you. You just never knew that because y'all didn't sit down and talk like men. Right. And there's so many people that's dead that could have just had a conversation that saved so many lives.

You know what I'm saying? Like at the end of the day, oh, he can't rap. He's not. the best in Chicago. Is that enough for me to come blow your brains out? Right. You know, you say everything happens for a reason. And I'm like, that's true, but every reason isn't a good reason.

Right. We could be sitting here, somebody walk past and be like, I'll some bitches, you laugh. I'm mad. So when I see him next week and I blow his brains out, they're going to be like, hey, Montana went up and blew his brains out for no reason. They were like, no, it was a reason, but it doesn't mean it was a good reason. You know, you know?

And the violence has gotten so extreme that I remember, like, there's been certain times, like, talking to a big you about, you know, everything that was going on in the 70s. 80s when he was really running around and he was kind of like a titan of Los Angeles and he's talking about you know being at the bowling alley or no the skating rink and just catching phase over and over and over people would be coming from all over just to try to fight him because they all had heard that he's this big strong motherfucker will knock him out and he's talking about just catching fades over and over is beating people up and you know that's not what I want for my son but that sounds so pure

in comparison to like what that situation would look like now what where it's almost impossible to imagine these young gangster dudes just having fist fights and not taking it to an extreme, you know? To the guns, yeah. And then, you know, the friends that you're around, too, play a part in it. Because it's like, oh, you got friends. He said you're not the best of Chicago. What the fuck is he talking about?

Man, when I see that nigga, I'm going to do this. Right. Or, bro, you should do this. We're on his ass when we see him. It's like, okay, you just made a decision. You know, that that's what our plan is when we see this dude. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, it's so many people that still have, you know,

brothers, cousins, you know, uncles, homies that still be alive, you know, today, if they didn't move that type of way, you know what I'm saying? Or if they thought further into the future, you know what I'm saying? One of the craziest things that stands out to me is that when we look at the early drill shit is like, this is kind of the early era of these kids having full easy access to the internet. So not only are they gang banging and run around with guns and shit, but it's very, very easy for them to communicate on Twitter in the YouTube comments, et cetera. And that really just amplifies the conflict so quickly. I think, too, another thing is, like, people give a fuck

where other people think so much. You know, it's like, the last thing I want is my first thing I'm soft. You know what I'm saying? Like, I can't let them, you know, so I still got to maintain this tough shit over the internet. But it's like you come to your senses, or most motherfuckers come to their senses when it's in person.

Shit hit a lot different when you're in person. You'd be surprised who got the utmost respect for you when you see their ass in person. Like, damn, this nigga didn't say nothing to me on the internet, but when he saw me in person, he came to me and it's like he's here he looked like

he's not ready he's not playing no games bro I just wanted you to turn up I've seen a lot of podcasts over the years where it would be like two people like going at each other on Twitter Instagram story or whatever and then they decide that they're going to do a podcast

together and then they get on camera together and it's just so obvious that they're just being nice to each other and that they just didn't really feel kind of compliment each other didn't really feel committed because once you're actually in front of a person and you stop seeing them as just your enemy

through the screen and you start seeing them as an actual human being that you could go get a drink with or have a sandwich with. It's kind of hard to really just view them as the devil. Right, right, right. Another thing, too, I got an older cousin, and he was telling him about the whole the Tupac and Biggie thing was going on.

And most people in Chicago, you know, it's like, okay, we're rolling with Pac, you know what I'm saying? And, of course, anybody on the East Coast probably was rolling with Biggie. But, you know, he was like, man, he said after Park died, it's like, you know, I was like, you know, fuck big, blah, blah, blah, blah. And he was like, he fucked puffy, fuck big, you know, blah, blah.

He had some dude with killing park. And he was like, and then after a while, after I got older, uh, Biggie Die, you know, Biggie Die, he's like, after I got older, it was like just puff doing shit. He was like, I had to think, like, snap out of it. Like, man, this dude doing what he's supposed to do. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's making, like, why am I getting mad?

He dropped the video or doing this. You know what I'm saying? He's doing what he's supposed to do as a man. He's going on with life. And like, he's like, I had to correct myself, you know, and sometimes, you know, I always say, you know who doesn't appreciate you today doesn't mean they might not appreciate you tomorrow or you didn't appreciate me when you were 20

but the 25 year old version of itself is appreciating the words that I'm giving you now and I think it's like I think it's going to be like that whether it happens while I'm alive or when I'm dead you know but I think a lot of people that hate it is going to look back and be like damn really at all these rap this nigga was the one giving us stuff of value this one nigga was the one

putting knowledge out there and doing some teaching and you know telling motherfuckers you know I rap about not smoking and drinking. It'd be a big difference if I didn't smoke a drinking. I just didn't speak on it. You know what I'm saying? Or bad people assume. Because there's plenty of people in rap who don't get fucked up,

and then they keep that a big old secret because it's considered so cool to get fucked up. You could make that cool. And I didn't seem plenty of fans. Like, man, you're the reason I don't do this and do that. Something else I never said before, really, I think a good message that I be able to put out there is, I think, you know, as kids, you know, we grow up

and we get into stuff like Batman and Superman or whatever hell of it. you power rangers, mortal combat, and you have this idea in your head that's a such thing as like good guys and bad guys. And it's like, so it's like fighting always. If Batman was real, I mean, what is he going to do? You know, run around on the projects

and just smack random people around. I got a lot. You know, Superman doesn't. It makes no sense. Superman can't come to everyone's rescue and he damn sure don't come to the project. You know what I'm saying? But this is the thing I'm saying.

We have this thing in our mind We can imagine ourselves being, you know, these characters or fighting crime or whatever the hell. This is just the mind of a kid. And it's like, so you can, your imagination. It's like, but when we get older and we start having our own beefs, it's like, hey, it's kind of feels similar like to like me and my friends. We're the good guys. Those fucknickers are the bad guys. So it's this thing, you know, I got to stand for what I believe.

I got to stand for this side. Everything for our side to win. You really think that everybody on your side is good guys. And you really think something's wrong with everybody over there. life doesn't work like that. And when you get older, you start seeing shit and you get plays like damn. So he was a pussy the whole time,

and he was on my side. And they got a few pussies over there on their side. You know what I'm saying? This was my homie that, you know, I already did, and this niggas was a snitch. He ended up being a snitch. And they had a snitch on their side. And then they had two dudes over there that was really going to fight.

And we had three dudes over here that was really going to fight. And they had four dudes over there. And really was going to try to blow our fucking head off. And we had two dudes that's going to, you know what I'm saying? So it's not. no good guys, bad guys, real niggers, fake niggers, it ain't no just black and white thing, and a lot of

boys in the hood don't really understand that. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, if you was able to weed out, okay, these are these are the ones that's going to shoot, these are the ones that's going to fight and shoot? These are the ones that just want to fight but don't want to shoot? It's like when you weed them all out and you, are y'all willing to pair up with each other now? No, it still don't work

that way. That's why when you hear Robert say up the score. Talk about the score now? Yeah, exactly. That's some really dark shit. Yeah, yeah, it is. You're really trying to take out every single one the other side. And it's like you're trying to be up. Who's checking the scoreboard? Like what fucking scoreboard? We've been losing, dude. We've been fucking losing. You're talking about the scoreboard.

But it's just a mentality that's been passed down. They heard it from somewhere. Somebody came with the idea at some point and passed it on to them. But, you know, it just takes somebody to just be willing to stand up and just, you know, come along with like, you know, I'm going to do some shit a different way. You know, I'm going to do some shit my way. You know, when you, when you're smarter than everybody else, you know, you become lonely. But you never really had any conflicts around that time with like the up and coming. No, I see people take little shots.

Nobody never said something like, oh, I'm going to kill him or I'm going to anything that's labor. It's been, you know, all you is not the best and blah, blah, blah, blah. And so, you know, a little certain shit like that. And man, he's not from Chicago. I never seen him around, blah, blah, blah, blah, all this other types. But it's not, it's been nothing as like, you know, for me to fear for my life or, you know, I feel like I got to get him out of here because. Is the politics between like the BDs and GDs or people I was talking about with Chicago?

Is that like outside of Chicago? Is that like outside of shit that you're concerned about it? Yeah, I'm not concerned about none of that. That's its own thing. No, that's outside of your shit. Okay. That makes sense, though. Was it ever tempted, though?

Because, like, you know, I feel like Rico Reckles came out at a certain point. Dissed everybody. All of a sudden, he's a name. Everybody knows him in that world. Was that ever tempting to you? Like, I'm going to just diss everybody. Do that kind of thing? No, hell no.

I mean, I see people get on that way. Even when I see, like, a complete stranger, like, diss me out of the blue, like, one, you don't know me. I've never seen you in my life. you never seen me. But it's like, I feel sorry for them because it's like, you know, for you to understand somebody, it doesn't mean you have to agree with them. So it's like, man, I'm looking at it like, I understand why you're dissing me.

One, you think it's safe. You don't know me. You don't know my past. You don't know what I'm capable of or what I would do to you or what maybe a younger version of me would do to you. And you never seen me. So you think if somebody you've never seen, you're probably not going to see them. You know what I'm saying?

So you think I'm the safe one to play with. You may not want to play with Herb or Dirk. because you might see them or you know they got powers, you know who they're rolling with, you know what I'm saying, certain things like that, but it's like, this dude,

I don't know him, I never seen him, you know, and he's talking some sense and some knowledge. Maybe he's safer to play with. So it's like, I understand that. I understand that whatever you was doing

before you decided to wake up and diss me wasn't working for you and it wasn't getting you on and now you're like, okay, let me try this. And you just think it's safe to play with because you failed

and you're going through frustration. Whatever you was doing before, your music just wasn't hot enough for you to just pop or your grind was something and you're going to try this and see if this works. But I'm not going to give you the fulfillment of me reacting how the typical or ordinary niggas going

to react when somebody disses him. I'll see you when I see you if I ever see you but that's that. You know, I didn't make a social media to promote a motherfucker that's hating on me. I'd rather tell a fan that say hey, my time, I love you. I'd rather respond to them and say I love you too. Then somebody say some negative shit. Now, let me

get in my attention. You know what I'm saying? Like attention is money. It's easy to say like oh rappers shouldn't snitch on each other or themselves specifically but really when you look at all that Chicago shit coming out I mean that was like one of the main characteristics of it is that they were basically snitching on themselves by putting out little videos showing their whole lifestyle like to an extent that most rappers just hadn't been willing to do like I said the people when they hear oh it's a true story it's a different between motherfuckers you know I was bagging up this I was selling eight balls it's like no you see the eight balls

I got a big chunky ass 40 years and he waved it right in front of the camera It's like I'm sold You know what I'm saying Because seeing is believing You know what I'm saying And people buy what they believe Right

You know what I'm saying That's why it's like shit The church and everything It's so much in the business Because they've been buying something to believe You know what I'm saying? They're selling product that they don't even have to show you Right

As long as you believe it It's like if you can get somebody to believe Then you can get a dollar out of their pocket Yeah 100% When I was listening to that Try Me remix though It kind of occurred to me that like

You have We had a lot of different styles at that time, because you sound like a fucking Polo G style artist on that song, even though it's way before Polo G came out. You were doing a lot of the melodic shit, and being willing to experiment way early on, huh? Yeah, I got lots of styles. It's really, like one of the things with me too,

is like I said, I study hip hop. And there's some shit that just sound good. I don't care who your name is or how big you are, or how you haven't blown up yet. You know what I'm saying? I'm just a fan of music. And the thing with me is like, I've mastered this rap shit where it's like you can show me any style.

Like, you can come over to style right now that's never been heard. And if I hear it, I can take it and outwrap you at it. Like, I got the style. I got the format. But my mind with words is smarter than yours. So once I do that with your style, I'm going to outdo you at your own style. Right. So it's like, you know, just certain things feel good.

Like, I could go rap on a song and I could show you. 10 different styles of rapping to this song. You know what I'm saying? I might only display four of them doing this remix. You know what I'm saying? In the battle rap community, I feel like that's kind of become like a home for people

who just still really value lyrics and technical bars and metaphors and all that kind of shit where a lot of that stuff is really kind of falling out of the focus. You know, maybe it still exists with some like top tier rappers. But for the most part, like when I was, yeah, battle rap events and somebody will drop like a crazy punchline, super weird fucking triple entendre bar. And the whole crowd. I was like I got like one part of that like I'm really falling behind here but were you

ever attracted to to that style of shit because now I see you doing songs of Arsenal and shit like that's my boy shout out to Arsenal man I um I love like my brother man it's good good dude probably one of the most solid you know famous people that I that since I've got on music like that I met that's you know been genuine since day one nice you know um but yeah being a hip-hop of music you have to get into being a fan of the battle rap you know what I'm saying you might come have to defend yourself one day that was a thing back in the day artists might be out on the street running to each other oh nigger you know battle like this wasn't no plan okay I'm spitting my stuff that I've been writing working on at home

you really don't see that today you know what I'm saying but it's like you have to get into be able to get into defense mode too you know funny as fuck when you talk to people have been around for a long time because they're like battle rap type people and they'll be like yeah you know I battled a fucking thousand times on the street corner before we even got around to like Oh, we're going to actually figure out what we're worth and actually put this shit on camera. A lot of the people back the end of the time, like, when you go back, like, everybody didn't have access to a studio. You know, now you got 14-year-olds, the studio equipment right in their living room. Right.

And it might still just be broke. And it's like, dude, I got this, though. Or I stole this from somebody else. Or I stole somebody laptop and got this and blah, blah, blah, blah. However they got it, they got it. Even a lot of the greats throughout the 90s have, like, stories about, you know, DMX just battling some fucking up-and-coming rapper on the street just because that was, you know. Just because you were the fool today. I mean, hip-hop hadn't evolved past that.

Because realistically, if that was happening in this modern age, DMX would instinctively realize, like, oh, me putting my talents on display like this is actually worth a lot. So I should fucking hold back and do it on camera in a situation. That's what battle rappers figured out at a certain point. It's like, oh, my talents are worth a couple hundred grand. So I'm not battling for free ever again. Exactly.

Exactly. Yeah, then it's crazy. My favorite movie is Five Heartbeats. And that's a group that I think was like in like the, 60s or 70s, but it's crazy because when they got with their manager, he said, boy, I got some great news for you guys. They was out to eat. He said, he said something like, this Saturday, he said, we're going in the studio to record our first single. And they all, you know, it's like, we're going to the studio, you know what I'm saying, like type of shit,

you know, because they used to doing shows where they just naturally sing on the mic. Not, we got a recorded version playing in the background. You really had to sing back then. Now you make 100 songs before you ever get to play a show. Exactly, exactly, exactly. So it's like, you know, times change, you know, and they say, with a time to be alive. You know what I'm saying? It's like timing is everything. They say some time, you know, your situations.

Like everybody's story doesn't go exactly the same. Right. You know, so, you know, it took me a while to really blow and get there, but it's like I had attained so much knowledge to where if the younger me, I would have been assigned a deal. It is kind of crazy because you sort of popped off

around, it was kind of like a dark era for hip hop in the sense that it was after the part. where you could like sell mad records or mixtapes telling them yourself and make money like that and it was before the reality that we're in now where if you get a lot of streams you can make a lot of money kind of became the thing yeah yeah that's dope man but um like even Bobby Schmerter we're having that conversation that he him having a video with millions of views on YouTube just didn't seem like the thing that was going to make him rich at that time because it's just a street video he's not signed to a label yet at that point you know he didn't really have that prospective one until later got you got you got you got you that's interesting for sure um okay so like but just in terms of the lyrical thing what what prompted you like more recently to put out a statement saying that you would battle anybody for so or no no no you you accepted jadek his challenge where he said he would battle anybody for seven or 50k allegedly you said what prompted me to accept that yeah what made you want to uh jump on that um to me is

to me is free money do you think jadaicus will get washed washed um I mean he's a great emce right You know what I'm saying? So whatever he's saying, it's not going to be weak. Okay. You know what I respect him. I love him. You know, I love his crab. I love, you know, what he is to hip hop and things like that. But I think it would be a great show for the fans. But me personally, I don't feel like he stands a chance, you know, with me like, you know, like bar to bar, toe to toe to toe. You know, I don't think he would. I mean, it's tough because, you know, no matter what you do lyrically, he's beloved. He's, you know, to a lot of people, this is a artist that they grew up listening. to since they were children.

You know, he's got classic fucking songs. Facts. And obviously, I'm picturing you not performing other songs, just battling or whatever. But I mean, I don't know. It's like so much a hip hop comes down to basically being a popularity contest. And so from that perspective,

it's still kind of hard for me to imagine anyone stepping to Jada because I feel like he would be able to get away with doing way less and still have the crowd. I'm sure you've been to battles and stuff where it's like you start to realize, I was like, oh, it don't really matter who rap's better here because they love this one person. I think that sometimes, I see exactly what you're saying. But I think when you know you're going into that, it's like, man, you have to be so picky

and distinctive to where, like, this shitty just saying was just undeniable to where, like, I all feel stupid if it would have to be a blowout. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Exactly. Like, like, you got to come with some heavy shit. Like, fuck the, oh, that was nice. That was, like, I don't want nothing nice. I want something super mean.

You know what I'm saying? Like, ugh. Like, I need too many of those moments where it's like, when somebody look up, like, like then i was kind of trying to go more for this dude but we had more than the uh moments over here and it's evident you know what i'm saying that would be a tough part about in jacus though too because i have a hard time thinking to many like ls that he's taken in his career whereas like most rappers his age have you've seen him get smacked around at some point or you've seen them you know you've seen him take an ell seen something bad happen to him he kind of got like a flawless

reputation for the most part yeah but some people you know you just never see them put that on the line and some people that's not willing to you know what i'm saying like i'm not going to put that on line and they'll that'll blemish my legacy and make you look like this person's over me, you know what I'm saying? That's why it's so hard to get established rappers to actually battle.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true. And because a lot of people could talk that shit all day but it's like it's not many that's willing to back it up. Right. The more you know about a person, the easier it is to do battle with them because you just have personal shit to rely on. You know, even like when we watched the Rocky movie and then

his train was like, dude, don't fight this dude, he's going to murder you. Like, you're not supposed to say that. You're supposed to believe in me, but right. He's saying it's because he knows and see something like bro you're not ready bro you need to get in the gym and do this and blah blah blah blah like this dude is a fucking monster he's a fucking animal and nobody is like probably willing to tell their

friend that when your friend got rich off rap right what niggas like you know um i remember it reminds me um my homie used to uh be with me in my label uh one take timmy he was great lyricist super great lyricist and he was telling me about the first time he heard me he was like man my um he said said, man, I was telling my, he was, I was saying, like, I'm the best rapper, a lot, you know, a lot, period, about itself. And he was like, his brothers, he came was like, no, man. And he's like, he's like, this nigga Montana 300. And he was like, he was like, what?

Nicarious, like, I'm the best. Like, you're pausing. Like, I'm the fucking, you know? And he said, then they showed me your song, Shirek, you know what I'm saying? And so I'm like, damn, it was just dope to hear how you first ever heard of me, you know what I'm saying? And just certain things like that. And I watch a lot of my fan reaction videos.

and this is one dude I started watching from New York I don't want to say his name wrong but he's a great reactor as far as catching bars and stuff like that and just hosting his channel you know what I'm saying like I probably go and mess with his channel he always wears a New York Yankee hat you know what I watched him

he just listened to me for the first time this month and the song I got called Last Dance for the first time he heard him he was just blown away by it so I watched him react to other songs he's been reacting to other songs songs off my album. Then he just recently reacted to the Hoopty remix and

I watched that and he paused it in the middle and was like, like he says as of now is today like this dude Montana third, this is my favorite rapper. Wow. Like he is my favorite rapper. He is the goat. Like he was like and I just wanted to you know, salute him and blah blah blah blah blah. You know

Montana. You got it bro. And it's just like how many people can see a rapper. You've been living your whole life. Like dude looked like he might be like, you know, early 40s, mid-40s. you know, late 50s at the most, you know what I'm saying? And it's like, he's smart enough to catch a lot of the things that I'm saying, but all of the hip hop that you have experienced in your life

and for you to be like, I'm the goat, and you just start listening to me this month. You know what I'm saying? That's a big statement. It's like, you know, that's crazy. John, John Sina, the wrestler. Right. Link with him through Twitter. Really?

And he, because he came across my music all because of a fan. He made a statement that, a saying we probably all heard before. he had retweeted somebody and said, he said, if you're in a room full of people and you're the smartest person in the wrong room, you're in the wrong room. And it's a pretty common statement. And then one of my fans had quoted me on something that I said back to that once upon the time,

which was that's some of the most selfish stuff I ever heard. If you're the smartest person in the room, then that means you have some teaching to be doing. Don't just leave everybody because, oh, I can't take from y'all. You know what I'm saying? things like that. But I do understand you need to be somewhere where you can learn at some point. Right. But don't just, I'm in the wrong.

Let me get up out of here. But that is interesting to me because I always look at people who devote their lives to teaching and it kind of fascinates me because, you know, like if you're somebody who's really brilliant or like really amazing at business or you really have hell of opportunities to make shitloads of money and then those people who

choose to be like, no, I'm going to dedicate a big chunk of my life to teaching the young generation. That's such a selfless decision to make. You know, like it's kind of hard for me to wrap my head around that, although I guess I could maybe conceive of it as I got older and maybe I had already felt like I accomplished a lot of the things that I wanted to do. But caring that much about the younger generation, like to want to be a teacher, that's always kind of fascinating to me. Yeah, it's dope. It's definitely selfless. And I just think a lot of people when you, because I've been living in this world where I've been in competition with nobody. Like I am in my competition for the longest. Like I remember feeling like the only person better than me is Wayne. I remember getting to age. I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, I feel like, we neck and neck. Then I remember getting to an age, to a level. I feel like nobody's on my level.

And it's been that since like 2013, 2014. I felt like I've been in this world where I have to either match the work I've put out or I need to try to surpass it. You know what I'm saying? And it's just the same thing. Like I don't go spend my money on like crazy jewelry and crazy cars and no type of shit like that. You know, I'm just comfortable being me.

I don't have to have Louis and Gucci on every single time. I go somewhere. Oh, I got a, you know, podcast, no jump. let me put on this $4,000 Louis outfit and you know who I got to do this. Like, you know, I'm just comfortable with being, you know, who I am. And I think when you are like that,

you don't mind sharing. Because even if you, if I share all of this with you and it helps make you better, you can't compete with me with it. Like, because I'm more than just that. You know what I'm saying? And it's like some people, I think that fear somebody passing them up,

well, damn, what if they see you with more money than me one day and, you know, they think you're better than me. I feel, you know, some people that fears that, you know what I'm saying? And it might be like, you just spend your money differently than me. So I love on days, I might see some of my homies. And I'm like, damn, if I didn't know him, you know what I'm saying? And then somebody else was looking at us, it would look like he has more money than me.

You know what I'm saying? Like, my boy, he's looking fresh right now. You know what I'm saying? He's looking nice. Right. He's looking like big money. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, and I sit back and it's like, you know, it's proud.

I'm happy to see that. You know what I'm saying? And it's some people that's not okay with it. You know what I'm saying? Like when I dress, I got to, I got to look like I'm the, it's evident that I got the, you know what I'm saying? I'm the big dog. It's evident. And I'm, you know what I'm saying stuff like that? And I just like, I love seeing other people shine, man. Nobody can have all the money. Nobody can have all the love. Why would you have a problem with somebody else? Getting love, getting love, getting praised, getting some money. Right. Having girls like them, what is the problem? When you know damn well, you can't get it all. The one person can't get it all. There's so many people who choose to view rap as basically like a winner takes off. type thing. When in reality, it's like if you're from a city that doesn't really have shit going on,

that's like what happens in Chicago around that time period is all of a sudden there was like a whole bunch of different rappers that people were fucking with coming out of that area. One popping rapper coming out of a city is not going to make that city seem like that city is on fire. But if you have five dudes, like you should hope if you're a rapper coming up out of a city that's not traditionally known for having rappers, you should hope that there's a couple other dudes nipping at your heels because that's going to be what actually makes your scene overall look lit to the public.

And it's going to keep you on your toes too. True. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah. And I don't know. Chicago is just, it's kind of different. You know, I've seen and talked to people here and there to where it's like some people that even rap and tell you.

Like, you know, it's fake love in my circle, but I can't speak on it because I might get killed if I expose it. I know. You know what I'm like, damn, he really said that. And, you know, woo and stuff like that. And you got people, you know, showing love a lot of times, but it's not really love. It's like, I got that. We don't have no beef.

I don't have a reason to beef with you, but I really don't like you. But when we see each other, we shake hands and, you know, so that's why I kind of just like barely being in my own lane. Okay, this is my thing. What's your perspective on the street shit in Chicago at this point? Because it must be so much worse than when you were a younger man, when you really started to come in the rap game because it's not like we've seen a bunch of rappers from Chicago get killed.

No, it's like we've seen the vast majority of up-and-coming talent. their friends, their homies, etc. Legends, some of the biggest artists, we've seen them all get killed. Right. It's terrible. Like, it's unprecedented in a lot of ways. It's like this.

You know what they say? Like a gift and a curse type thing. Right. It's like maybe if this person wasn't as pop and nobody would really care to kill you. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't want you that bag because you're not that important. You know what I'm saying? So it's like we have fun.

It's like that's why we have to be mindful of how we handle our blessings. You know, oh, I got on. I'm really fin to turn up. Like, be careful with your blessing. You know what I'm saying? Be careful how you handle it. You turning up so bad. You all doing toys and, ooh, you don't know.

You're leaving your mom and your brothers in them, you know, at jeopardy. You know what I'm saying? Because you dissing him over here and think he can't find you. Right. You know what I'm saying? Things like that. And a lot of people don't really understand that, like, you know, and that's another reason why I stayed humble and grounded because it's like,

I know, God could take all of this from me at any point in time. You know, you could be sitting in your living room and a car drove, lost control, drove straight through your living room. room. Right. You've been making all the right decisions in your life. You know what I'm saying? So I ever think nothing can't happen. You know what I'm saying? Like, anything like, you know, and just doing right by people, you know what I'm saying? And uplifting people and things like that. You know what I'm saying? I was just talking with Vlad and he was, he had pointed out about Nipsey Hustle, you know, like when he came out with the album, like $100 for the album, he was like people's laughing at

him. You know what I'm saying? I think Jay Z. Bro, like, bought like 10 of them I heard. But you know, and it's like When you're willing to Do when you're willing to go do something Everybody else isn't doing it's like It's a lot of people out there rooting Hoping that you do fail Like stupid, you should have stuck to

You know, the safe stuff like the rest of us You know what I'm saying? That's even from even dressing Somebody's like, I'm gonna just start wearing this And start doing this Who the fuck you think he is? He could just start People know you don't wear Nike with Adidas

Or you don't wear this and with that You know what I'm saying? It's like Who the fuck? Just because y'all don't You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know? are you supposed to do this and blah blah blah blah you know and there's some people out there that

would rather hear me rap about shooting and guns and having my gun on me like 24-7 like dude i don't want to hear shit about god or teaching or financial literacy or black history like fuck all of that get back to the shirek you know montana 300 blah blah blah blah and that's what will please them right you know are you completely disconnected at this point from the expectations of the people that might be listening to your shit. Do you feel like you're fully making the exact music that you want to be making and that you're not? Yeah, I feel like I'm making the exact music that I want to be making because, one, I'm independent.

So can't nobody tell me what I got to do, you know, and I'm open to suggestions. You know what I'm saying? When I hear fans, could you make some more songs for the females? Okay, I'm mine for a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Okay, I got you. You know, and could you make some more songs like this? I just did the last dance song, I started off and I say, although I try about,

lifting my brothers every once in a while niggas star shit. They say they want Montana from Shirek. We don't fuck it, let's give them that hard shit. And that's me speaking on being considerate of things that I've heard. You know, I hear people that, it's like, okay, this songs for that crowd. You know what I'm saying? But I also got a song on the album called

The Boy That Never Sold It Sold. Talking about Not Signing. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, the corruption of some of these, a lot of these label, major labels, you know? Were those options right in front of you at a certain point? Yeah. They're like, still are. Like, it's people I can call up and be like, hey, you know what? I do want to sign. You know what I'm saying?

Like stuff like that. And, you know, you just, you live longer. And the longer you wait, you find out there's like I had so much more to learn. What was the thing? What was holding you back? Was it like this money's not enough? Or did you just really feel like they didn't understand your career? I don't even think it's about them understanding.

You just got to look at certain shit like it's almost like insulting of your intelligence to me if you asked me. Like it's like, hey man, let's go do a deal. And, you know, let's get this food. okay we buy this food and then I make the plate and I put 20% of the food over here I put 8% over here and I look like I look at you to see if you're okay with it if you don't say nothing right you say hey man we pull it I'm like I was just playing with you like and I get like yeah but it's like if we go away with and I let you get away with it it's like damn it's stupid you know what I'm saying like but we're doing business together now

because you sign this contract and it's like dude you sign a dumb ass contract it was like the fact that you already never wanted to plan on being fair with me in the first place That's what don't sit well with me. You know what I'm saying? So it's just people like that. And it's like the younger we catch the black boy that's uneducated. He's already talking knucklehead nonsense because he has so much of life to learn. So if we catch him young, he's going to sign his contract more than likely.

So let's make sure we get as much as on our plate that we can. You know what I'm saying? Especially when we could the 25% or whatever we slide in him, we could just write that off. That's a crumb to us. But he's loving us as if, man, that white man changed my mind. life bro he must love me if he tell me to shoot one of these other niggas I'm gonna shoot him because this white nigger you know this white man and you know what I'm saying they changed my life yeah you know what I'm saying for the for the better and you

think life is gonna go this good and his money won't run out you know what I'm saying things like that and you think it's love like don't confuse love in a in the song the boy they never sold it so um I say shit on your haters and flex with a check you want the money and credit so bad that you're willing to put yourself deep in the debt and say how much money where you have in your bank account after these labels recoup and collect. Because once it's all gone, they won't answer the phone. Yeah, they gave you a loan, but never gave you respect. And it's like, people don't understand.

Oh, I could buy you a sprite out the machine. Hey, here you go. He's like, oh, good looking out, bro. That's love. To me, I just showed you love. It's like, okay, that might be love to you, but I might have didn't look at it like that. You know what I'm saying?

Right. So when I give you this check, y'all taking this thing, oh, it's love. He changed my life. Like, it's not love. It's a fucking crumb for me. Like, I get to, and I get to write that off. There's really nothing to me. But how is the independent grind for artists like you?

It's the long way around. You know, you got the square. You know, we at this corner trying to get to this corner. Most people are going to try to take that shortcut and go through. Right. But when you do write and take that long route around the block, you'll see it was so much things that you needed to pick up along the way to learn that you was going to miss if you just took that shortcut.

Well, what's the most significant revenue streams? Is it streaming? Yeah, and YouTube still is out doing it. on everybody. YouTube too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. YouTube is cracking. That's why I was like, I felt sorry for a young boy.

You know, he was like, I really don't get paid off YouTube. He didn't care. He took all his videos down. I know. Isn't that the craziest thing you ever seen? He got songs with hundreds of millions of plays. And he just said, fuck it. I'm taking it all down.

I mean, that's like, I don't know. Like, that was crazy. But he took it down? He did, I think, because I think the option for him was like, basically, like, no, you don't have the privilege of taking it. down your own videos like the label controls that so he just said fuck it i'm gonna take them all down and start start putting shit up that's how i think it worked right yeah i'm not sure i thought somebody else did that to him that's what made me really feel like wouldn't you be deeply upset if

your whole catalog disappeared from the internet all these videos for all the years like i mean the fact that he doesn't give a shit is says a lot about this right right well um you know some people do you have to convince yourself to like what can i do like now i have to not give a shit now i'm just going to speak to the internet i've had interviews removed And it's like, what do I get to do? I can't do shit. Right, right, right, right. But he's human, you know, just like everybody else.

And a lot of times I see, like, in his face and stuff, he looks, like, sad or, you know, certain things like that. And I remember, like, in, like, 2016, he had reached out to my manager because I was moving around a lot with my manager, like, on the scene. Like, you were seeing a lot of my manager with me. And he had reached out to my manager for management, you know, and my manager didn't really want to mess with him because he was real hot. You know, it's like every little YouTube clip.

It's like him standing on the street with guns. And it's like, man, man this dude is you know like people probably gonna try to shoot this concert up type stuff so my manager was declined and like no I'm I'm good you know and he had sent my manager my manager still got the message he had sent him a DM and he had told my manager like man I don't got nobody that I trust my you don't even know my manager but you see how he moved with me you see what I'm saying and I was like damn and that made me feel sorry for him I don't know if he was like 15 and 16 at the time you know but I was like damn

for them just say like man I don't got nobody else that I trust right and um and I was telling my manager like man you should fuck with him You know, just let him, he can go do his own shows on his own. And my manager just kind of like, just not wanting to bring any bad, you know, energy into his business. You know what I'm saying? Stuff like that.

But back to what you were saying, though, about the labels. Like, to me, it's never been with Price because I had to have family asked me, like, would you sign a deal with $10 million? I'm like, bro, it's not even about the money. Like, it could be 10 different labels with 10 different contracts on here. And they all say $10 million. But this one says 10 albums. This one says five albums.

You know what I'm saying? This one says two. You know what I'm saying? It's probably going to be something different in there about these contracts. Not just, and I'm like, that's how to simple-minded person thinks. How much money is it? Oh, I'm sold. And that's what I'll forever hear rappers say, like, I signed a million-dollar deal with so-and-so.

It's just like, that doesn't tell me anything. That's like, if I tell you that I signed a million-dollar deal with a podcast company, what does the million dollars mean that they own all the content that I produce for the rest of my life? Or does that, and that I can't go do anything else on camera with anyone else? Or does that contract say, I got to do one episode for a year? One episode a week for a year. That contract for a million dollars sounds a lot better than the one that basically keeps you in shackles for years and years and years. And then when people usually wake up, it's like they feel like they've been fucked over so long.

There's no way out. It's like, how can I fuck somebody else then? You know, like, there nobody has sympathy for me. So I'm going to sign me an artist. I'm going to have sympathy for them. Which is also back to the boy that never sold his soul song, I end my verse. and I say every album I inform you

I am nothing like the normal how could I ever call myself the rap guide if I knew and I didn't warn you you know and it's like that takes a special like I'm hey

careful you know they in there shooting be careful they're in there robbing people you're gonna appreciate the person that warned you right

you know what I'm saying opposed to I'm looking at all these motherfuckers that I looked up to and y'all knew what was going on and y'all still let me walk in there that's not 100

that's not real shit that's not a real shit real nigger. From my experience, it's so hard to get young artists to actually want to slow down enough to really like take the time. A lot of times it takes months and months and months of your lawyer going back and forth with the label to really

land on a deal that makes sense. And then what the label always tries to do is they always try to rush it through because their argument is going to be, you're hot right now, but are you still going to be hot in two months? Which is a pretty good point because a lot of artists are not still hot two months later. And a lot of times you'll see an artist and they get attention from a label. They're working on the contract. It's

six, seven, eight months by the time they get the shit signed. And then all of a sudden the labels. They fell off as soon as they signed. Yeah, because during that time, the world moved on because the world moves ridiculously fast at this point. And I mean, it's just a sad situation all and all. But I will say also that I notice when I'm talking to young artists, sometimes they'll have offers on the table from big fucking artists trying to sign them.

And they already know that it's not a good idea. Or they're like, oh, I don't want to sign to an artist or like this old motherfucker. If part of it is like, oh, they don't have like respect for their elders. But it is kind of nice to realize. Like, I've seen artists who, like, you know, Future was trying to sign. And they're talking about him like, he's a random dude. And I'm like, that's fucked up that you don't have respect for your elders. But also that's smart that you know that you maybe don't want to be tied to an artist, you know.

And yeah, some people was like, I didn't have heard that. Would you sign if it was Kanye West? Like, I got you a fuck about a name. Well, I've seen Kanye West sign a lot of artists that absolutely nothing happened to. Right, exactly. It's like, what do you? Like, it's almost like, who the fuck do you think I am? Like, I'm going to just go jump with the prices right.

I'm going to jump over some of a man's name, you know what I'm saying? Right. And, yeah, so it's just, it's just be funny shit. But that's how the majority of the world works. That's why the majority, I had a, I even had a do with a label to tell me after I declined him and I left. I was in New York and say who it is. But he called me right after that when I was in the car. And he was like, hey, I just want to tell you at everybody that I've offered deals who nobody ever told me, no.

He said, and I was going to tell you my respect for you just grew like 10 times. So I didn't work with you like you wanted me to and it made my your like what does that say? Right. You know what I'm saying? About this industry or this game. You know what I'm saying? Like just because somebody's offering you alone or a deal doesn't mean I respect you. You know what I'm saying?

The vast majority of people who are trying to get you to sign a deal, if they were to be completely honest with you, they would give you some different ideas about this contract and maybe what you should be focused on here. Exactly. Yeah, for sure. But so, okay, have you ever thought about getting deeper into the battle rap type space? Yeah, me and Arsenal are supposed to do a two-on-two battle rap. Really? So I'm just waiting on him to set all that up and make that happen. Does that excite you, or is that something you might just do because it's a good check?

No, it's exciting to me because I always had this plan of, like, once I established I'm the biggest rapper or, you know, the best rapper ever, I'm going to go into the battle world. I'm going to battle the top battle rapper and, you know, show them that even every element, you know what I'm saying? imagine LeBron James saying, you know what, this all-star game, I'm gonna go get in a dunk contest. Right. And I'm gonna fucking win it. You know what I'm saying?

Like, damn, you know what I'm saying? Or just imagine Mike coming back. Like, I'm feeling a fucking win MVP. It's like, you don't even have to do that. You know what I'm saying? You already was a legend. You always considered the best somewhere but you show people that you're not scared

to go over there with the wolves. You know what I'm saying? Where it's like, this is what they do. You know what I'm saying? Like, probably, honestly, the best rappers are probably battle rappers. Yeah. Like when we really talk about, you know, smarts and cleverness and, you know, being artistic.

You know what I'm saying? Like, because as a rap artist, the word artist, you're dealing with art in art. It's the word, comes back to the word to create. And if you're the most creative, then that means you're the most artistic. Right. You know what I'm saying? And the majority of the world are fools anyway. You always have more leaders than followers.

You know, we all start off when we're born as a kid. We don't know anything. So it's like we have the mind of a fool. And it takes, you know, us gain experience and knowledge or reading, whatever, to start being smarter than people around us. How do you feel about the current rap landscape where you have Playboy Cardi's one of the biggest rappers?

He don't even really, like, rap, in the way that we're really thinking of when we say rap. A lot of it is, like, weird effects on the voice. And yes, there's some crazy-ass beats and the shit catchy. But it ain't really like rap. The term, what they say, like white power, I think when people think of that is almost, you know,

racism. They think that when they hear white pal, but to me it's even like not just that or not it's always a bad thing. What I'm saying is like, you know, the industries are ran by, you know, or the white men. So it's like when you look at certain things like pop, pop is going to outsale. You know what I'm saying? Like it's like the top.

That's why the R&B is kind of like dead nowadays. You know what I'm saying? Like R&B was like hip hop R&B. If you looked at, you know, 106 apart and stuff like that back in the day, it's like, you know, you might have five rap songs, five R&B songs. Shanti, this number, Beyonce, this number, you know what I'm saying? Carrie Hilsen right here, you know, BOWR right here, Cash Money Records right here, Nelly right here, it was like a nice balance.

You know, it's like if it was the top 10, 10 10th, 10th, 10th, 10th, Park today, like, we're not going to see Anthony Hamilton. You know, it's like if we want to see Ashanti, it's like we're probably going to, Beyonce is, her name is, so you can go anywhere. you know what I'm saying she's gonna be appreciated but X heard out the picture it's like

you're probably gonna have to see the Ashanti and Jaru mix Ashanti feature and future you know what I'm saying like it has to be the rap in there somewhere you know what I'm saying or just be all rappers

rappers harmonizing rappers doing this you know so I just think the Playboy Cardi thing is more so of that shit is edging more into that pop feel and it's like

that's selling for you dude right you know what I'm saying the white kids is the ones that's hey mom deck I see a card to use this you know what I'm saying like we didn't grow up

I'm like, I just got this card and I don't trust your little ass with it. You know what I'm saying? You want to spend, you got kids. You just spend $300 off my goddamn card on Xbox, Microsoft, you know, whatever the hell. And it's like, we don't really have that option or, you know, hey, I know not to ask you for shit or outfit until it's my birthday.

You know, and it's like, hey, the school dance is coming up, you know, because I need something to wear, Mom, you know what I'm saying? And they can easily do it, you know? So I just think the whole, the whole pop thing. is just like going to eat everything up eventually. You know what I'm saying? I don't know if you heard about the Fox TV show when they had all the black sitcoms

and then they shut them all down and they don't do any black sitcoms anymore. That's what built their name. That happened? Yeah, that's what built their name up in their brand was all these black family sitcoms and TV shows and now they don't fuck with none. But they're like big now.

It's Fox. Well, that's interesting. Yeah. I got to look into that because, I mean, I do remember all the Fox family sitcoms back in the day. I feel like the sitcom game in general is kind of fucked up these days, right? Yeah, it is, it is.

And, you know, we didn't have internet, so it was kind of like, in a sense, that was like our internet. We could sit on, watch TV, all this is on. This comes on in four, then this comes on in five. This comes on the six.

It's like, we might know what we're going to be doing every day for these four hours. You know, these three, four hours. And then after this goes off, then I'm going to go watch dishes. Right. You know, it's like,

this is how we were getting through our days back in the day. You know what I'm saying? And now nobody sits down and playing. I'm gonna be on my phone for four hours. Then I'm gonna get off and go read a book. It's not like that. You just, oh, I picked up my phone again.

Oh, I broke my concentration. I was writing, but now I'm not in my phone again. Oh, I'm minding somebody else's business. Oh, such and such, such, such as beefing. I remember Twitter crashed. Like, Twitter was down one day for like, or no, it was probably Instagram was down for a few hours. And like, Offset tweeted out like,

damn, I really be addicted to my phone. And I'm like, that's so crazy that you had to, like that Instagram had to go down for you to realize how badly addicted to your phone you because almost every rap rise I know I see or whatever. Sometimes if I'm around them long enough, I'll just notice the way that they're just refreshing their Instagram shit over and over and over.

And I'm like, bro, this is a fucking brain disease that you have right now where you can't just chill for a minute without. And I notice myself doing it too where I'll be, check my Instagram, check my Twitter, check my fucking YouTube analytics, check my YouTube analytics on the other channel, check the comments on that channel,

check the comments on the other channel. Whoops, back to Instagram. It's like you just create this loop that is great for the, for the, apps and great for the tech companies, terrible for your sanity and for your mental health. That's facts. That's facts. Yeah, we all fell victim to it, especially like when I think I really knows when the iPhone 4s came out and it's like, damn, I spent the whole day on my phone. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, damn, I just did it again. You know what I'm saying?

And it's just like too much. And, you know, just time changed, you know, growing up, we was able to go outside and play. Or parents be like, yeah, go outside to not mess my house up. Go outside and play somewhere. The depressing part is, though, is that I want to not look down on somebody when I see them just staring into their phone every day because sometimes I have a book on my phone and I'll be reading the book and then I realize that the people I'm around think that I'm just sitting there reading fucking Instagram comments like everybody is doing. You have access to every piece of written word in the history of humanity. Every book ever written is all on your phone. But yet most people use it to basically like check in on what other people are saying about them at any given time. Or are you looking at stories? What are you looking at? You're basically

looking at a bunch of people you know and what they're doing. standing on the couch of the club or some other shit. Like when you could literally be doing anything. Like there's no excuse because your phone contains all of the knowledge that has ever been created by all of humanity more or less. Yeah, I never thought about that. Yeah. Like it's there. You just had to find it, like search it up, type it up.

Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. It is, isn't it? Okay. But so the one thing you were saying before, I kind of remind me I want to say this is that just recently Joe Budden was having a conversation about Eminem. and I think Eminem did a song with YBN Corday or something like that. And, you know, obviously Eminem wraps the way that he wraps. He's a bit of an over-wrapper.

He goes all the way in, wraps his ass off on everything. You know, a lot of times he'll even, you know, the other person wraps for two minutes. He's rapping for five, six minutes. He's making the beat stop. He's fucking changing the beat, all this shit. And Joe Bunn's basically like, you know, saying what I think a lot of people are thinking about Eminem is that he just kind of like overdoes it. He sacrifices the enjoyability.

of the song for using this as an opportunity to basically show everybody how incredible I am lyrically. You're probably somebody who's considered that as well, right? Because you just are so capable of wrapping your ass off that... This is the thing, though. Like, imagine if I talk to you and I was like, yeah, how you doing today? What's all right? He's like, do you care about my understanding? Because for me to just give you this whole lesson or what I'm trying to teach as if it's important,

And it's like I almost don't give a fuck. You know what I'm saying? So if I talk to you, like when I just was reciting my own raps, you see how slow I said it? Yeah. To you with me. I'm allowing it to marinate. And I just recently saw a clip that I've never seen in my life before

of M&M admitting to something that I've been pointed out years ago. He said, man, I won a lot of battle raps by just rapping fast. He said, and I really, I really trick people. I think they don't really know. know that I really wasn't saying much. I wasn't really saying nothing at all important. I just was putting a lot of words together real fast. And that's how I was winning rap battles.

And I say, if you really slow down what the fuck he's saying, you will see what he just said about himself is true. And I also heard him say before that he said, I got a lot of albums I'm not proud of. And it's not the worst thing in the world because it's like us, like we could look back. I said, I can't believe I wore it. You know what I'm saying?

Or, you know, the younger me, I said that or I did that I should have never did that. Or that was mean of me. You know what I'm saying? Whatever the hell, you know, we all got some things we might not be so proud of today. You know what I'm saying? I wish we would have never did. We might whip our kids ass if they did this shit, you know? So for him to be able to admit those two things, you know what I'm saying, said a lot about him, you know.

And another thing I thought about, too, you see how, like, the last couple times with him rap, it's like he would diss rappers. Yeah. That's never dissed him or the mumble rappers or, you know, then we just like he would like this them or uh but he always disses pop stars he always feels like he has to comment on something that's going on in the public eyes so that it'll go viral even though like is like back in the day it used to be him like this and jessica simpson right right like bro like nobody cares at all and that's what i think too i think um in a sense

it's kind of genius in a way because jessica simpson has a fan base right so it's gonna even if you're all over here mad that i mentioned there's since then you're paying attention to my shit. And one thing that he's great at is I learned this in college and it was, I took speech class, you know, and it was like when you're giving a lecture, one of the main things in the beginning is

the attention getter. And he was like, usually you want to say something that makes the crowd participate such as a show of hands. How many guys are here ever did this? You know, so everybody's tuned in, they're looking around, they're raising the hand, they're thinking about, you know, seeing how many

other people raising their hand and he said well just say things that cannot be ignored he said if i was to get in front of this thing and i was to yell out i have aids and i'm giving lecture like every every kid in the artisan look around like what the fuck you know and and uh i was trying to say ludicrous but m&m became like really a master that and dr jay said nothing you idiot is dr jay's dead he's locked in my basement and you know it's like i thought you was cool doctor you know what i'm saying it's like how could you ignore that um adam 22's dead it's like Like, what the fuck? I don't, you know what I'm saying?

Like he was saying things, you know, Snatch Pramela Lee's lips off and then it's at my dick's off. And hey kids, wanna see what I did? Wanna see me stick nine his nails and each one of my eyelid? Like, what are you saying? What is the point of saying that? But it's like, I have your fucking attention.

Right. You know what I'm saying? And I think a lot of black rappers just couldn't ever get away with that. Right. You know what I'm saying? It's like, man, it's a white dude that can fucking rhyme. His style is unorthodox.

And he can rap fast. Usually when people talk fast, I say, get your motherfucking ass in the kitchen. It's like, damn, he just snapped. But if I said, get your ass in the kitchen and take care of them dishes, all of a sudden I didn't snap. Right. But when I say it fast, the words, oh, shit.

I don't know what she said, but she just snapped. You know what I'm saying? And it's the play on minds, the simple minds. You know what I'm saying? And that's why I think he might say like, he might say, like, I'm not so proud of some of my earlier work because he more so rap like that. And my favorite songs by him is things like stand and lose yourself.

And the conceptual stuff. I am, whatever, because it's a meaning, it's a purpose behind that. You know what I'm saying? It's deep, it's creative. You know what I'm saying? My least favorite songs from him are always like the lead single for each album from back in the day. Like one of my least favorite songs of all time in rap music, at least in comparison to how popular it is, is my name is. I despise that song.

I hate it. It's like nails on a fucking chalkboard when I hear it. I don't understand why anyone else wants to hear it. That's how it was for me. And I was a kid. It was like, I was like, I. It's like, man, he's not even into this. Oh, the beat.

Hi, my name. What's that. It just sounds like a rap song for people who don't like or listen to rap. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Nothing smooth or cool about it at all. Like, he was trying to annoy somebody in the house that day. It's a really bold position for me to take to hate on like a 30-year-old Eminem song. Yeah, but I understand, though.

Like, you know, it's just, you know, it is what it is. And like, once he said it himself, it's like, okay, I've been noticed that, you know. But for him to hear him say, like, I was basically for the. messing people by just rapping fast and I wasn't saying much and I was like damn could you imagine Tupac or like Jay Z saying I really was saying much y'all just thought I was right it's like no I'm that much like I care every I got a line I got a song called Jamerrant and it's a line on that when I say I don't rap to be cool this is facts for these fools every word every bar every bar every breath meant and it's like the breath meant is cool you know what I'm saying but it's like

I'm not rapping just to be cool or sound cool you are. Every word, every bar, every breath is meant. Like, it has meaning. It means something. You know what I'm saying? Like, I used to see people, like, try to make memes and talk shit about Wayne and say stuff that he never said, but just things like, um, uh,

hit Dora with a pan and call it Pandora something Wayne would say. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, and it's like, okay, I sense the shit and, you know, but I would hear people try to bash him and say you don't have substance and things like that, you know? And, um, I always try to make sure that wasn't the case for me. You know what I'm saying?

and like when somebody say okay basically what he was saying in this metaphor is this like now was he saying something you know what I say I got a line on one of my uh songs I say um you never know when you're looking right in the liar's face these bitches burning don't put your wood in that fireplace so basically saying this bitches have STD so don't fuck them you know or you know at least wear a rubber so that's the point behind it and I remember something that I went crazy over at the time, Nelly, he had a song, the country grammar. It's a line that was just so raw and mind-blowing to me. And then later on in life, as I got older, it's like, damn, he didn't really say shit.

You know what I'm saying? But the line was this. It was, he said, may I answer your third question like AI? And I was like, that's so dope how he put that together. You know what I'm saying? A.I. Al-Narverson, third question. He's number three. But what's the third question?

Like why? Exactly. The third question. The question is the name of Alan Iverson's shoes. Answer is Alan Ivison's nickname. They call him the answer. So may I answer your third question? No, may I answer your third question?

Then AI. So you connect the dots all four. They all have something to do with each other. So when somebody's saying, okay, so basically what is he saying? It's like, oh, he's asking you, can he answer your third question but not your first and second question? Right. So it's like it's no message when you unravel it. So it's like, damn.

I appreciate the creativity of connecting the links. But this is also why rappers don't bother to rap like that anymore because that went so over my head. Right, right, right. 20 years later, you're explaining this to me and I'm still going to forget it right away. And that stood out to me. So it's like, okay, I need to make sure I can do the boom-bub-a-boom, connect the dots.

And when it's broken down, there's a message there. Or there's no point of breaking it down. If I keep unraveling your riddle and there's no message there, it's like, you're not even worth the time to try to go figure out what you're just saying. You know what I'm saying? I'm saying. And things like that. And no disrespect to nearly great artists all around. I'm stood at a game. Learn from him too. But, you know, I just always try to make sure the things I would hear about other people when they hate it on Wayne or hating on DMX or other

things like, you know, I need to fill these gaps where no one can say these things about me. So I try to have that balance where I make sure I'm teaching here and there. You know what I'm saying? And I can still have fun. You know what I'm saying? Or don't act like I'm a fucking insane because a lot of people think that when you teach you better be a fucking perfect motherfucker if you're teaching to me you know what I'm saying the crazy thing about that wayne era is that he he was on the most ridiculous run but he did something that most rappers these days are smart enough to not do which is just literally giving a verse to anybody like he was on everybody's songs at that time sure he's making money and I'm sure you know he was helping with

his relationships I guess but it's like when you're on top of the rap game like that you need to conserve your energy. You need to not just be giving everybody every last verse that you put out. Nowadays, people seem to understand that. Whereas if you're a rapper at the top of the game, you go a year, you go two years without putting the album out. You might drop a couple little verses here and there. But that was kind of the problem with Wayne is that he was so good. But by just doing features for everybody, he kind of burnt his superpower out. You know, I think, though, I think by him doing features with all the people like that, I think it was making that Carter 3 do what it did.

Like, man, his motherfucker is everywhere. Everywhere I go to look for music, his ass is there. I went over here to go listen to her. His ass was there. I went over here and listened to Bruno Morris. His ass popped up there. I went over here to listen to Justin Bieber. His ass popped up over there.

You know, like, this motherfucker is everywhere. And he got an album coming out. You know what I'm saying? And I think that's why you broke that record, you know, the most albums sold in a week, hip-hop album sold in a week with a car to three. So I think that was, like, genius. Also another thing, too.

A lot of people don't understand, too, that, you know, tomorrow's in promise. So it's good to, like, give you all. Like, I got a line on one of my songs about I say, bitch, I rap like every day my last chance. You know, and it's like, man, like, how would you rap? Somebody said, this is your last rap?

Like, you don't know. It's like, man, I had these notes. I had all these songs. I never got to give them to the world. A lot of artists die like that. But that's like saying, like, every, you should treat every day like it's Christmas. No, not even that.

But you would never fire somebody on Christmas, right? Because I don't even rap. I don't rap. I don't rap every rap full throttle. I know when to let off the gas. I'm just saying living every day, like, this is going to be the day that you die, is going to give you some weird consequences. And if I was weighing during that time period,

I would have just held back a bit more because I feel like his run could have been extended where people would have wanted to hear every last bar from him for longer. This is the thing about runs too. Some people don't get the green light no more. He's a prime example. You dropped the car to three. You dropped the car to four. That's sold again.

All of a sudden, you can't drop the car to five. Now you're on a shelf. why isn't Birdman letting you do this? Now you're making a tweet saying, I apologize to my fans and most of all I apologize to my family for putting us in a situation. So while you got that green light,

you better start fucking shooting. You have a good memory? Yeah. Because you're like quoting Wayne tweets from like 10 years ago. I just remember it. It was so big to me. Like this is the number one

most iconic rapper in the world at a certain point of time, probably the most influential rapper ever. And to see him tweet and say, fuck cash money. You know, I apologize. I want to apologize to my fans.

I want to most of all my family for putting us in this situation. It was like this was another red flag. Don't sign that deal, Montana, blah, blah, blah, blah. Cash money records to the death of me, tattooed on the stomach, all type of stuff. You know what I'm saying? It's like, all of this was like lessons for me

and, you know, like flags and, you know, red lights and light bulbs. It's like, dude, just, you know, you got it. Everybody can't lean on their lyrics. Fortunately, I can. Some people need people to write for them. Right. Because you just got a good voice.

You need somebody to write. some people need somebody to set you up with producers and stuff like that like I'm pretty good at picking my own beats you write for anybody else ever and um yeah I wrote not nobody big and famous but other artists here that's like uh not as big as me I should say um but yeah I love writing I love writing R&B I can write some R&B all day if I can write for Beyonce or Rihanna or the weekend I love to write some stuff like that yeah interesting yeah what are you trying to really accomplish this year what are you trying to accomplish this year What stands out to you that would be the things that would mean the most to you that you could check off this year? Knocking out a book or two.

I'm going to drop two books this year, and I can't wait to do that. And I just really want to get my team or at least a couple artists on my label, you know, in a better space, in a better place than they've ever been. You know, I plan on dropping a couple of dual albums with them. And, yeah, I just really want to make this year better than, you know, Any before, I already started off with a good year. I dropped the Rap God album. It was number one hip-hop album on iTunes. Nice.

Then like an hour and a half of it dropping. 100% independent. And, you know, so that just, that was January 6th. That made my day, made my year, basically. You know, so that's a good head start for me. But I got a few other things up my sleeve. My NFTs is dropping next month, February. So join me on Discord.

And you get a chance on that. And yeah, I'm just ready for, you know, new chapters, man. You know what I'm saying? I feel like I didn't already prove myself as a, you know, lyricist and, you know, a teacher and things like that. So it's just like I'm just back to having fun, uplifting people and, you know, my team and, you know, just good energy, good vibes. Definitely. What music you've been listening to on a personal basis? Montana 300.

Okay. Respect. Yeah, Montana 300. I'm real picky about artists like that I listen to. Probably the last like other artists that I've listened to a couple of times, probably been Kodak. Yeah, a couple songs from Kodak. What is it that stands out to you about him?

Because he keeps his rap's fairly simple, but he always says something on every song that just makes me just what the fuck is wrong. This dude, I love Kovac. I just feel like he's him. You know, he doesn't mind. Like you might see him pop, like this dude got on all orange. But he's looked like he's his fucking self and he'll go fuck what nobody else think. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, oh, okay, he's got an all-line green.

Yeah, he got that tuxedo wave. You've been making his artist do it and shit, too. They're all out here just wearing these shiny suits and shit. And, you know, so I just feel like he's him. You know, I think I heard him say one time before. Like, he said something about here. I don't really even like this other artists that he worked with. He was like, I just did a song with him because, you know, my label made us do it.

I remember that. That was when he did a song with Pump. And they said, like, why did you do a song with Pump? And he said, like, well, you know, I wouldn't normally be doing a song with him. But, you know, my label said that it would give me some strange. So I said, I'll do it. I was like, no other art. There's so many things.

Kodak was the first, well, I don't want to say the first rapper. And obviously this has been some of this, but card traversal lately. But he just straight up said, I don't like dark skin girls. And I was just like, holy fuck. I'm like, I heard some people say that in my life, but never on camera. Like you just did, you crazy fuck. Like, what the fuck? And it's like, you got honest respect because it's a difference between saying dark skin girls is looking.

opposed to I don't like. Well, you're right. I don't remember exactly what he said. But either way, people were not happy. I'm saying he said what you said. I don't like Darson girls. Because it's like if somebody asks you what's your type and he say light skin girls and what the fuck is the difference?

Right, yeah. Like, I'm not really in it, you know. And it's like, and I'm not saying, I don't like peas. I'm not saying that they trash thrown in the trash because I know it's somebody else that I like them. So it's a difference when I just tell you my person, I don't like peas.

What's wrong with that? Kodak said, I knew the perk was fake, but I still took it because I was a gremlin. I'm a gremlin. That's the craziest thing I ever heard of rapper say, even though like, well, actually, I don't know. the crazy line of the song. I hope I don't know anyone who would actually take a pill,

even though they knew it was fake, but I guarantee I do know people who would do that. Yeah, I just did a remix to the Gremlin. Oh, you got a super Gremlin with it? Nice. I'll show you when we get off the interview. Let's do it. Yeah.

But I don't know how long your interview can come out. You know, it might be out by the time you drop this. Man, we got to drop this. You just divide? We got to beat him to the punch. Yes, sir, yes, sir. You're doing any other interviews while you're out here? I might do a revolt.

And who else is? Some of some other one, I forget what it. It's complex. Nice. Revolt and complex, yeah. That's what's up. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I appreciate you coming through, man. Really, appreciate your time. It was a great conversation. Thanks for having me, man. Appreciate it, man. Much love, man. Rap guy, FG, shit, man. No doubt.

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