No Jumper - The Mr Girl Interview: Getting Banned, Why He Hates Flakko & More

Episode Date: October 18, 2022

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No Jumper, coolest podcast on the world. Today, we're going to have an in-depth conversation with the polarizing streamer, Mr. Girl. Mr. Girl, yeah. Mr. Girls in the building. How you doing, man? I'm bad. Yeah, like, bad, why? What's going on?

I just got banned from YouTube. Oh, but that was a couple weeks ago, right? Well, I'm supposed to be over it. Oh, no, I'm just surprised you're still in the throes of depression that you still describe yourself as bad, yeah. I'm in the throat. I mean, yeah, like my career is derailed. Yeah. So you're still dealing with that. Yeah, I keep getting DMs from people who are like, they're thinking of unbanning you. Somebody told me that they were going to unbanned me, but then they decided not to.

And then I have so many people who, somebody else is like, oh, I know an executive at Google. And they said they're going to look into it. It's just like it's a, it's a consonant. experience of almost getting on band or getting your hopes up and then getting crushed for a yeah you have you have connects inside youtube that are giving you like little red crumbs of details about how this is playing out behind the scenes yeah damn so i see your tweet too about why like you got banned and so pretty much yeah what was it yeah right so pretty much they like age restricted a video a long time ago right and then they came back and removed it and gave him a strike

like two years later. So you just kind of bullshit. Yeah. So the video I got banned for was a video that I got a strike for and I appealed to strike. And they put the video back up themselves. And then they banned me for that exact video. But the circumstances were, you know Destiny here, Stephen, right? He came on here.

He was being very friendly with this guy who I would say is a Nazi. Nick Fuentes. Yes. Nick Fuentes. Who my friend here is a big fan of just for the record. He might throw you for a loop. There is a big word, but, you know, like, I don't think that he should be deep platform,

which I think that we both agree. Yeah, I don't think he should be deep platform, but I don't, would you have chicken and waffles with him? No, no, no, no, no, absolutely not. Okay. I mean, you don't. Chicken the waffles? Is he back?

He wants to, like, genocide inside me. Okay, but you would be on a podcast with him, right? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Having a private meal is like a different category. I wouldn't be friends with him, but, but I would love to like sit down and kind of like debate like ideologies, you feel of me, and talk, right? But to like have dinner and be friends with him, no. You know, he's not, you know, the type of guy I would really talk. Mr. Girl, just to let you know, though, I would put Flacco, he's like a Jesse Lee Peterson type of black guy.

Like he's kind of, he's got a lot of self-hatred stirring around inside his body. It's a very specific type of black guy. You think I'm that of a, bro, yo, yo, Jesse is an idiot. Like he's a piece of shit. That's crazy. How dare you? God damn. Okay, so what were you saying?

Sorry. About you too? Yeah, so I got this long public fight with Stephen Destiny about whether or not he should be friendly with Nick Fuentes. Because I was like, you know, Nick Fuentes' whole thing is trying to make himself seem harmless. And like he's like just a virgin. He's just like a nerdy kid. But he's also like a politician with like a cult. He's got a cult.

He's not like a content. creator. And yeah, so after arguing about that for a week, the cult mass flagged my channel, and I was immediately banned. Damn. Yeah. At the instructions of Destiny and Nick, or do you... No, no, no, no.

I don't... At the instructions, I would say one of Nick's lieutenants. I don't think it came directly from Nick. I've seen a lot of clickbait trying to sort of fail. figure out who was responsible for brigading your channel and getting it deleted. Yeah. I don't know. It's always doesn't matter.

It's always kind of futile to be guessing at that anyway. Yeah, because they will never tell you. Right, definitely. It could have been somebody totally different. But you are in an interesting category as a content creator because clearly when you watch your stuff, I would say like your purpose on social media and you can tell me if I'm wrong as to deal with controversial ideas and specific themes that people are intimidated by or weirded out by and I could give a bunch of examples of stuff I've seen but would you say that that's true

and do you feel like a person who is a content creator and has that as kind of their primary ethos is even possible of flourishing on this new YouTube landscape? I think it's possible but the channel has to be really bulletproof. Um, especially as you, I think what's unique from YouTube's perspective, I probably cause more trouble than I'm worth. So like, I know, I'm sure Stephen gets flagged daily. Um, but the proportion of people watching him that hate him is much smaller than me. Right. Um, so as I grow.

Yeah. I don't know if it's possible. So I think my job as a content creator is to not sand off the edges of my opinions. I feel like it's a weird thing where you're working against the house that YouTube wants you to be boring and you have to find a way to be interesting without getting banned. I guess I haven't. I guess I don't know. Yeah, I feel like I was banned for being too interesting.

I don't think that I don't think of myself as trying to make provocative content. I think of myself as like I want to say what I honestly think about whatever topic I'm talking about. Well, like when I saw the video of you rapping as if you were a P word, a pito. Are we not saying that word? Well, I mean, I don't know for YouTube's sake. Might be a good one to avoid. But yeah, we could just say pedophile. Yeah, a song called pedophile, I believe.

It's called I'm a pedophile. Right. Okay. And I mean. I didn't want to mince words with the title It seemed like this was a song that you had made It was almost like specifically to sort of taunt the terms of service In the sense that you're like making a song

Where you're sarcastically describing being something Kind of I mean I got called a pedophile a lot I've been called a pedophile a lot of times in my life Over the last two years And because of that video mostly No because of my cuties review Oh okay that too Yeah.

The beginning was kind of wild though, right, like that cuties review. Because I think the beginning was like thoughts are not illegal. Again, I don't want to quote you right, but I think it's like thoughts are not illegal, the action should be in terms of like it's okay to think these like 10, 9, 12 year olds are hot, but to go through with the action is what's bad. Yeah. That was the point you were trying to make. Wait.

I didn't watch the review. You've seen my cuties review? No, but I've heard you. talk about it in other videos with like destiny and stuff and I've heard your your stance on it but is that true is that accurate that that's something you've said I think he's saying like what I meant I didn't say that I'd so I was I was like I should review cuties everybody's talking about cuties and again it's the same deal it's like you just say the most honest thing that you can so I wasn't trying to be provocative but yeah I saw cuties and it's got it's like

11 year old girls twerking and I was like the point of the movie I think is that they're supposed to be hot it's supposed to be really uncomfortable that like you know they're they're emulating 17 year old girls in the movie you're supposed to watch them and be like you know this is weird yeah I mean I think that's honestly why I never clicked on it on Netflix just because I was like I know that if I watch this that it's going to make me feel weird and uncomfortable well yeah because they're at an age where I mean, I think this is, it's always uncomfortable seeing 11 to 15 year old girls wearing makeup or skirts or dressing like they're older or trying to act like they're older. It's a weird experience. But the thing I saw of your stance on it was basically

that you thought that the movie shouldn't have existed as it was made because like the court I remember as you said, it's not okay. to make child pornography to further your message that child pornography is bad i wouldn't call it child pornography but yeah you shouldn't you shouldn't stick a camera like in a 11 year old but make them to make them to work yeah i think it was fucked up that they use kids yeah even if that content is going to like you know force the viewer to confront the reality of this content and realize like oh it's bad to stick a camera and 11 year old but it's like you know you could have got that point across without actually having stuck a camera in an 11-year-old's butt, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I think the issue people were having, I guess, with the cutest review, you know, now I kind of seen the scene for what it was, right? But I think you said, like, something honest of, yo, you know, yeah, you know, like, they're hot, right? Or something of that sort. I said, I said they're kind of hot.

Yeah. It was 10, you know, again, I'm not sure, like, how old, you film and like, those girls were. They could be 10, 15, whatever, right? The actors were 12 to 14. Yeah, right. So when you say like, yeah, I think they're hot, now, again, like, that's an honest opinion from you. But then people see it as them, bro. Like, you are admitting that, you know, that those girls are kind of hot, you know, and they're underage.

Well, I just, like, if they weren't kind of hot, the movie wouldn't be controversial. I feel like that's the whole point. That's the whole point people freaked out about the poster. It's because when you see it, your brain is like, oh, it's a bunch of hot girls. And then your brain's like, no. Like out of the corner of your eye. I think him saying that they are hot is the problem because if you were saying they are styled and dressed and being filmed as if they were hot grown women, then nobody would take offense to that because he's actually like hot as a judgment call. Yeah, right.

Hot means that I'm attracted to it. Now, now if we see them in a bootish shorts, my, like, in my mind don't say, oh my God, these like 12 years are hot is, yo, like, why the fuck are these 12 year olds dressed? Like this is inappropriate, get them out of it, you know? Right. Well, that's great. You should make a YouTube channel about how you're a fucking normal person with normal opinions and then you won't get banned. Like, I don't know what to tell.

Again, so that's an example of a video I would never make. If I, I would never, ever, I would be embarrassed. I would rather be called a pedophile 10,000 times than make a review of QDies where I got on camera and I'm like, guys, I had the greatest idea while I was watching Qudy. this is interesting review. I thought it was very inappropriate for these children to be dancing like this

and they should never have done that. Right. What is the fucking point of saying that? What is the point of you saying that right now? Well, I have a question though. Did they send a camera crew to film one of these cheer things or whatever? No, no, they're actors. Oh, so they actually set this up and they created it because I would think it was different if this was a documentary type thing where they're just filming

something that already exists. Like they created the 11-year-old oiled up weirdo fucking you know I don't think they were oiled up okay well whatever it was yeah sure they might as they may as well have been I yeah the

I think the director auditioned like 400 little girls it's weird it wasn't about a good couple of weeks at work for that guy yeah it's a woman it's a woman oh yeah that really changes how I think of it too holy shit no but

yeah you know he just said though something very important right and he said that he wouldn't make a video like that asserting that opinion because why. So then like my question is, why do you think I guess like you're making a video saying, yo, these girls are hot, et cetera, et cetera. They're attractive and like throwing that line

of being a pedophile. Why? Or like those opinions, I guess, like more valid than the opinion of, yo, I watch this shit. This shit is wrong. It's like out of control. And us as a society should not go down this route. Like why is the pedophile opinion more important

than the other opinion? sorry my thing is fucked up um i'm not trying to avoid your question um it's not that it's more important um it's just that if you're if your take it's just the same as everybody else's then just don't speak like i didn't make a video about the amber her trial why because i'm asked because i don't have anything to say it like yeah they they both seem like abusive people and she it seems like she lied. Like whatever the jury says, yeah, whatever the jury says is sure, I agree with them. With Kyle Rittenhouse, I did make a video because it's like, you know, every progressives, and I'm pretty left-leaning myself, seems to be saying the same thing like in lockstep.

So I think it's important for a progressive to come out and say like, no, Kyle, I like Kyle Reddenhouse. You know, I think he, I think he defended himself. And I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't want to see him go to jail and be thrown under the bus and have his life destroyed because of a polarized political atmosphere. I mean, both of us are on board with you on the, the written house issue, despite some of the pushback we've gotten. But, right.

In general, I would say, you know, somebody raised this point to me a long time ago. They said, think about your most content. Controversial opinions. Think about the things that everybody else seems to agree on that you disagree on and then zero in on those because those are the things that make you different that make you unique. Those are the kind of thoughts that could lead to a product that you might want to bring to market or those are the kind of things that would lead to a YouTube video that people would actually bother clicking on. But as soon as you start to do that thought exercise, if you're a normal person, you immediately start to get hit with all kinds of reasons why coming out there and stating your controversial opinions would. in some way be destructive to your life. So I see you as somebody who kind of treats your own existence like a sacrificial lamb and you're just sort of like, okay, I'm going to put all my most controversial and defensive parts of my life out there for public consumption because that's the, that is the main thing that makes my existence more interest in the average person. Yeah, it definitely comes with its costs. But I mean, it also gave me a career. Like if I hadn't

made that cuties review. Well, also, I don't know, it's a weird thing. Like that gets described as a controversial opinion. But like, um, if we're not talking about ourselves, we all know that like other adult men are often attracted to, to preteen girls. Right. Like that's not, if you, if you had an 11 year old, you wouldn't let her leave the house dressed like that.

Definitely. Yeah, I would not. And the reason would be that there are lots of men who would like look at her, if not, if not actually try to like assault her. I mean, all you have to do is listen to a podcast or read some stats about how many people

are trading in child porn and how. It's very popular. Yeah. How many child porn images are being traded on Facebook and Google or whatever every day that will quickly make you realize that, this is not I mean it may be a fringe sexual behavior but it's not a I don't think it is a relevant percentage of people who are engaging this I would say it's a pretty large percentage right oh engaging in actually looking at child porn oh yeah that's that's definitely not a large

percentage but no right but like but like shouldn't like those people be ostracized right and you know I kind of condemn for it and shame for it well I mean yes but that's a big part of it too is how powerless the law enforcement kind of is to prosecute any significant percentage of these people because there are so many people doing it. But yeah, what, yes, it's very bad. Like what, yes, child porn's bad. Again, like I feel like you're doing it again. Like, we're trying to, we're trying to talk about something here. And you keep saying the child, like, why don't you say something else about child point other than it's bad? No, no, no, no. We all think child porn is bad. No, no, no, right? So I think the point is this,

right? Like, you're trying to toe, told, told by that line of, I'm not a pedophile. I'm not a pedophile. I'm trying to toll that line of I think you are a pedophile And that's where you know like this argument I think is going Why don't you just say it? I think you're a pedophile What is that can you define pedophile? I think that you are attracted to underage kids You know, my manager has a rule for me that I'm gonna Not my manager my uh he's like my editor my but my decision editor

He says don't let people People call you a pedophile for money. I'm going to break it today. I'm giving you a pass. I'm giving you a P-word pass. Shouldn't you ask the question rather than declaring him to be that? No. If he told,

I think Destiny, like he don't think, I guess, being attracted to a 10-year-old kid is wrong. That comes off as like, I'm going to, like, told his life.

Wait, wait, let me, can I, can I, can I get a little context here before you, uh, okay. The context.

I don't think wanting to push somebody in front of a subway is wrong. I don't think wanting to shoot up your school is wrong. I don't think wanting to rape your grandmother is wrong. I don't think it's wrong to think about anything. I'm not going to say doing those things, this is very, very bad, but I'm not going to say that I think it's wrong to think something. You know, like if I'm playing call of duty and I kill 50 people, the things I'm thinking about doing are wrong, the simulation of what I'm doing.

Like the things, it would be wrong to do that, but thinking about it and pretending is not wrong. So I feel like part of the problem is people assume that if you make a statement about a thought you had or a sexual feeling you had, that you're saying that was good. But I'm not making a moral statement about that. That's why I have a song called I Can Fantasyize About Whatever I Want. Do you fantasize about 10 year old girls? I'm not going to answer questions about my sexual fantasies. Also, for a couple reasons. One, you would never answer the same question.

I've never fantasize about it. No, I know. I know you'll pretend to answer questions about your sexual fantasies. No, I've never fantasize about 10 year old girl, my brother. I understand that you will virtue signal. I know you've been doing it since we started talking. I know I know that you're going to. I'm not aware though.

Let me. Yeah. You're a normal person with normal thoughts. Let me finish what I'm saying. And then you can have an explosion of virtue signaling and make yourself feel better. This is, see, this is why if you had a YouTube channel, he does. Okay. I wouldn't, I wouldn't watch it because I don't want to watch a guy talk about how he does,

the thoughts he doesn't have. Right. I mean, nobody probably would click on a YouTube video that was basically just like, I'm not a pedophile. I fantasize about adult women. Come check it out, guys. Okay, here's why I won't answer questions about this. One, I don't believe that you're honest enough to actually have that conversation.

Two, part of a lot of my content is about empathy. And I think we have a problem with people abusing children, people trading and child porn and doing other harmful behaviors like that. And I think we have this knee-jerk reaction and we try to use shame and ostracization to protect children. So I think what you're saying is coming from a good place. I think it's noble to want to protect children

from predators and from people who make, and even people who view child pornography. And I want to protect children from those people too. But I don't think that ostracizing those people does that. I think it drives things. into secrecy and into drug abuse and into child abuse. I think that if it were socially appropriate not to just not to be a pedophile out, I don't think we should be out and proud about being a pedophile.

But I think it should be appropriate enough that you can tell like your brother or you could tell your cousin, or you could tell your friend, or you could tell your parents, say, look, I'm struggling with this, having these thoughts. need help. And then go go get therapy or whatever treatment or just or just like have people know like just don't leave me around kids. Don't don't put me. I can't be trusted. I have a question for both of you. Let's say there's a person who has, you know, the desire who's attracted to minors. They have that urge and they never act on it. Is that a good person? Is that a good person? Can you acknowledge that that's a good person? Because like there's a lot of people who maybe have a desire to shoot

people who have desires to get into road rage incidents and scream at people's faces and they don't do it and we would still consider that person a good person right so like we know that's like there's like there's probably a lot for every pedophile out there's probably another person who is attracted to the same people the same children that that pedophiles are attracted to who doesn't act on it can you like can you acknowledge that that person could be how do you define like good person though like for example if somebody just deep down wait wait wait right if somebody just like deep down and hate okay so like they're less like a bold racist but they don't act on their racism are they a good person so like how do we i guess define what a good person is i think christianity defines a good

person as somebody who does not give in to what the devil whispers in their ear right everybody wants to sin and everybody sins in their mind i don't think that religion should define like what a good person is right i mean i'm not religious i'm not i'm not religious i don't think it should I'm not religious, but I think that's a, I think that's a pretty good, like, outline for what a good person is. I think we all know that people want to do horrible things all the time. Yeah. So, yeah. Hey, right. So for me is, I try not to, like, total line of, like, good and bad, right? Because, like, again, like, we, like, we all have our, like, own moral competence, right?

So we're, like, what we, like, deep down believes is good and, right? And then there's what's good for society, which is ethical, right? So, like, if we're saying, you know, if these characteristics, or, I guess, like, destructive for, like, society, is this good or bad? But then, like, those characteristics that's destructive for, like, society, deep down your moral comp is telling you those are good characteristics. So I guess, you know, like, I kind of just, like, talk about, like, what's destructive or what's productive for, like, society. Okay.

Do you think that molesting kids is productive? No. Okay. So it's good to not molest kids. Yes. So I think what Adam's asking is, do you see how it's better to not do something bad if you happen to want to do the bad thing? I think, right? You know, like, again, having those thoughts or, again, right, like, look, doing something out of impulse like saying, damn, bro, I wish I could shoot this guy right now, right?

Because you were pissed off in that. I think that's a tab bit different from having a sexual attraction that's lifelong to a five-year-old girl. Fox can help. Here's the thing is that if a man is attracted to children, he did not choose to become attracted to children. It's almost certainly the result of like childhood trauma. I mean, you could make the same argument that you don't really have free will to make the decision about anything. You didn't choose to be black. I didn't choose to be tall. A pedophile just doesn't choose to have that attraction. So like maybe what I think Mr. Gross is saying is that society will throw a pedophile in prison, but they'll, they won't offer any sort of like help or kind of. counseling to a person who's dealing with those feelings before they, the moment where they throw them in prison, right? Yeah. If people find out that those thoughts are in your head, they'll want to kill you. I feel like is expressing those thoughts and then saying there's nothing wrong with those thoughts.

That's where people say, what's going on? Like, for example, if somebody says, listen, I'm a pedophile and, yo, like, this is a fucked up thing. I think sexual attraction in kids is fucked. fucked up and I need help. I think people would be a tabbit more lenient, but then there comes with just like the automatic distrust for people like that, you know? Okay. So let's have the pedophile argument. You think I'm a pedophile because I said the girl whom cuties were hot. I think anybody who's sexually attracted to underage kids, you know, especially kids like before puberty is a pedophile. Well, can you just define it?

Is it before puberty or is it after puberty too? Now, again, according to the actual definition, I think is before puberty, but... Well, according to the actual definition, you have to have a sustained recurring attraction to prepubescent children, an intense attraction that lasts for more than six months. But I think your definition is a bit broader than that, right? Because your definition doesn't even include having acted on it. Or does the definition mean that you have to have acted on it? No, yeah, you also have to have acted on it. You sure?

or yeah yeah yeah you either have to have acted on it or it has to cause you distress well that's why they have that distinction now where they say maps minor attracted persons or some shit yeah then like there's the non-offended map right which is kind of you know somebody who hasn't acted on it you know you know so if you're going to call me a pedophile can you provide a definition so i can you know yeah no right again like my definition for that is being attracted to 10 year olds or kids before puberty. Now, even if somebody says, listen, and I'm attracted to a 17 year old girl, to me, that's kind of fucked up. But, but, like, would I be willing to call you a fucking pedophile for being attracted to Kylie Jenner when she was, like, five months before turning 18? That's what,

eh, you know, like, I'm not sure, right? But if you have- Wait, wait, wait, wait, you're not sure. You're not sure if being attracted to a 17-year-old makes you a pedophile? Again, according to the actual definition, my definition, yeah. And you just named a 17-year-old that thought was hot when she was 17. So it feels like you kind of backed yourself into a corner there. Yeah, you just called yourself a pet of her. Huh? I was 17 when like, oh, well, okay. So looking back on it, you think, although you're like, oh, what was I thinking? If you had been 19, you probably would have thought she was hot at 17. Yeah, I, uh, I, my girlfriend when I was 13 and I both went down on each other. I have these horrible thoughts in my head because I have this video in

my head of me going down on a 13 year old. I have to go get a fucking lobotomy to get it carved out of my brain so I don't kill myself. It's so awful. I recently took my my old VHS tapes from when I was in high school and had this place like put it on a hard drive for me and I went back and I was looking at it and there's a clip of like me and my girlfriend where we were like 18 and her tits are out and it was like you know she was 18 but it was like if I had filmed that you know six months beforehand she would have been under under age and that would have been a kind of awkward feeling yeah it would have been even more awkward if they had like reported the the videotape to the authorities or something It would, yeah.

You can actually get in trouble for it. I'm sure they wouldn't prosecute, but you might get arrested. Right. All right. So continue. Continue. You might be a pedophile if you're attracted to 17-year-olds. This is so interesting.

What else? What? No, not, not. Not, again, like my definition to where I will feel at flu comfortable saying this nigger is a sickle. And if you have an attraction to 10-year-olds, 11-year-olds, 12-year-olds, 13-year-old. Right now. Wait, 13-year-old.

So if I'm attracted to a 14 year old, I'm not a separate. No, no, no, no, no. I said, et cetera, right now. Wait, wait, wait. If a kid is. Just an eight, just can you just give a number below which you think someone is a pedophile? According to the actual definition is, like, before puberty, according to me, where I will feel comfortable calling somebody. Just say the number.

Listen, where I'll feel comfortable calling somebody a pedophile, I think it has to do with, like, an age range, right? Like, meaning if somebody is an 18-year-old kid and attracted to a 17-year-old, he's not really, really a goal. Okay, I'm 37, so let's use me. Yeah. What age? If you're attracted to a 17-year-old at the age of 37, you are a pedophile. 18? No, no, no, no, 17-old.

Oh, so. I'm definitely attracted to 17-year-olds. Yeah. 100,000 percent. It's probably worth mentioning that that would be legal in, like, the majority of the United States as well. We're backed upon that. You sure? Yeah, it's legal to have sex with 17.

Yeah, right. 16 in most states, I think. No, I think it's like, I think it's like half of our 16 or 17. Yeah, right. But again, I still think, though, like, there's something, you know, just wrong with, like, that picture, a 37-year-old man. Legally, for sure. But I think that, like, his whole thing is that he's not willing to budge on acknowledging the reality of the fact that if a girl's 18 or a girl's 17, You as a human being are not going to be able to tell the difference.

If a girl is 16 or what? Like a 17 or an 18 year old, your brain is not such a finely tuned age-guessing machine that you're going to be able to tell the difference. And you just acknowledged it by saying that you thought Kylie Jenner was hot when she was 17 and a half or whatever. Well, I'll 17 too. I can muddy the waters even more and say that there are girls who get into porn who are like 18 or 19 who. Tracy Lawrence. who look younger than the average 17-year-old, let's say,

and they actually go out of their ways to wear little baby doll outfits and they'll get fake braces and shit like that. They're literally doing everything they can to make themselves look prepubescent, and they'll be huge in some cases. But he's going to say those people are all pedophiles. If you got in a plane crash. It's the pre-like pubescent, right? And that's what people have an issue with.

I'm going to ask you a hypothetical question. Sure. Well, you said, you said I'm a pedophile because I'm attracted to 17-year-olds. Yeah, of course. Okay. Okay. So if you got a plane crash, very tragic plane crash, everybody died except you and a 17-year-old cheerleader. You're on a deserted island.

You don't have enough food for six months, so you are going to die. You don't have a water for six months, so you're going to die in six months. And she wants to have sex. Would you do it? me no but like you've done a very great job right wait and like transition this from you being attracted to like 10 year old kids now we're talking about 17 years he never said that let's be she said that though he didn't say it was attracted to 10 year olds in the movie yeah they were like 12 years old like 10 or 12 well i'll get i'll get to that in a second uh what would be your rationale

for not having sex with this horny desperate 17 year old she's going to die a virgin if you don't do this uh and you're going to go to hell but for sending her to her her grave without having sex um why wouldn't you do it one right and like that like hypothetical has nothing to do with again what we're talking about right now is your attraction to a 10 or 12 year old girl right so yeah i'll get to that in a second no no no listen not listen right because i feel like that like that like particular hypothetical is trying to like muddy up the waters you know and it's a dishonest i don't you have muddys the waters if you're if you're not attractive I was like if so like if I got locked if I was on the island with like a 500 pound fat guy

And and he was like oh he's like please like please fuck my ass I probably would just not do it Yeah even if I only six months to look because I'm not interested that's why I want to hear about Prison rape stuff I'm just constantly wondering like what actually happens to your brain if you're in prison for that long Because to me if I was locked up with a bunch of dudes for 10 years I'm not fucking them I don't I am I would 100% I don't think there's anything I would get out of fucking a man's asshole that I wouldn't get out of jerking off besides being disgusted by the experience but I mean we all fall on different parts of the spectrum no nah but fucking an asshole is definitely not ever in a picture right well a man asshole a man a man a man oh that's yeah that's what they say till they get in that plane crash but that's what I wonder that 17 year old spreading her cheeks and then you start thinking about your life start changing your decision so So what would your rationale be? Why wouldn't you do it? I'm just not interested.

But if you saw her ID and it said that she was 18, do you think you could get it up then? Again, if she looks like a what, like a regular like high school chip. Yeah, a regular 17 year old. Yeah, I'm just not interested, man. You feel like me? Again, bro, I'm not attracted to kids. Now again, 17, 18, that might be in the more show like a nuanced conversation. But your attraction to 12 year olds is not nuanced, bro.

That's a sick shit. Um, okay, so I'll speak to that. I don't think saying, um, do you think if I say like, I think Brad Pitt is a good looking guy? Do you think that, or if I say he's kind of hot, do you think that means I'm bisexual? Again, if you are attracted to like Brad Pitt, then you're, you're a bisexual. Yeah, but I didn't, I didn't say I'm attracted to kids. I said in this movie when they're wearing makeup and twerking, they were kind of hot and it was uncomfortable. Don't you think the only reason that's an interesting thing to say is if you're not a pedophile?

But why was you uncomfortable? Again, because you watch this movie and had this sexual attraction to these 10 or 12-year-old girls who were gyraining their hips. Me personally, I wouldn't watch cuties and look at 12-year-old girls like shaking ass and feel and feel like, damn, bro, like they're fucking hot. Hot definitely is not a word I would ever use to describe it because hot is a judgment call. It's like if they're, like, if they're, there's a dude in a G string with a six-pack dancing here and I say he's hot.

Okay, fine. But that means that's a judgment call on my part. Yeah, but personally, I would not find that hot. Fuck him though. Right. I mean, I guess I could say he's hot in the sense of like me making the assumption that women or people who are attracted to men would think he was hot. But I would say, oh, you're hot because I am not personally attracted to them.

The same reason if I watch cuties, I assume that hot is not a word I would ever think to use to describe a bunch of people I'm not. attracted to. Yeah, also, too, is like, like, I don't want to be, like, kind of like unfair to him, right, by saying, right, but kind of just like, no, no, no, no, right. Don't do this. Don't do this. Don't do this.

Don't do this passive aggressive shit. You're obviously ambushing him, right? We're going to spend the entire, spend the entire podcast talking about this one thing. Especially during. Because you need to virtue signal about it and talk about how you're not a pedophile. This entire conversation, which could have been like an interview or like, you know, we could have talked about my work or my idea. is I mean all the only thing anybody's going to take away from this is that you're not a

pedophile and you are I don't know I don't I don't know your audience that well I mean I don't for you though right have you ever watched child porn no with so then like why was you I guess unwilling to like answer like that question during one of like the previous I think you were on because watching child porn watching child porn is an immoral well first of all I said in the Qie's review I've never watched child porn second of all it's an immoral illegal act it should be illegal and it's wrong and harmful and destructive to society and bad for kids you're paying somebody to rape kids on your behalf i'm proud of you bro maybe this could be the way wait the fact that the fact that you're still that it seems like

you can't wrap your fucking head around this so let me explain it to you thinking something and feeling something is not the same as doing it and if you cannot separate thoughts from actions you are not going to be able to, a, have a conversation with me that gets off the ground at all, because you're so, you're so, like, intent on distancing yourself from your own thoughts as if they're actions. I've never thought. You're not, you can't tell you, you honestly don't know the difference between a pedophile and a child molester.

We definitely do. It doesn't seem like it. We've sat here for about, like, what, 30 minutes, right? and we broke down, you know, being sexually attracted to the kids and actually going out and like molesting kids. Like we like we like we both identified that difference. But what I'm saying is that behavior should still be condemned, right? We should still be able to.

Yeah, you already said that. They should seek out. I can't believe now you're at the point where you're like, you're like, guys, let me repeat what I've been saying for the last 30 minutes. He already. I heard you. I was, yeah, motherfucker. I heard what you said for 30 fucking minutes.

You're like a fucking broken record. Stop. talking about this. Or stop talking period. No, listen to why do you just say then? You know, why did you just say though? You know, why did you just say though I cannot identify the difference between a pedophile and a child molester.

This is why. This is why people don't like watching me have conversations because my conversational partners often cannot handle having a conversation. You are shaking right now because you're upset. Yes, I'm fucking furious. Why? You have, because you are the embodiment of everything I fucking hate.

about YouTube and content creation and my job. You are the reason I hate my job. Yes, I'm shaking. Because we are non-siccicles with non-sical opinions and you believe that you're a single opinion. No, again, I'm open to

I have every conversation. You won't even let me finish a sentence, dude. But go ahead. Okay. Every is a very common sentiment in my audience and other people's audiences, especially destinies. For people to

say, man, I really love your solo stuff. But when you get in a conversation, it just goes in circles. This is why. Because often the people I talk to can't stop saying the same fucking thing over and over again. Yeah, that seems fair. Let me just ask this question. What attracted you to making content about this subject matter when this is content or like a subject that the vast majority of people avoid like the plague because the optics of even being associated with it in any way or, you know, potentially very bad. Nothing specifically attracted me to this topic. I've made, I don't know, like 150 video essays and one of them was about cuties and one of them

was about pedophiles. So that's a 1.5% of my videos are about this topic. I guess I made the, I mean, after people started calling me a pedophile, then it became a dialogue. Then it became a war. So then I'm like, okay, if you're going to call it. me a pedophile, then I'm going to wrap about it for sure. But the topic is interesting because, okay, Elvis's wife, I think when he married her was like 14 or 15.

We don't think of Elvis as a pedophile. We do. Well, you do all of a sudden now that you just learn that. Yeah, you do. Yeah, you're going to go out and have a fucking tattoo that said Elvis is a pedophile on your fucking forehead. I know you. I understand what you're.

R. Kelly deal. I've stated we condemn R. Kelly, but not Elvis. So, like, I've best stated that of pain already. That's fine. I'm talking about us societally. Right? Generally, when you say Elvis, people don't say, oh, that pedophile. I believe that the internet has created a wonderland for child abusers. I interviewed a police lieutenant who told me that most child porn now is created by children. people groom eight-year-olds into using their camera phones into taking pictures and videos of themselves so the days of the white van are over now it's more about grooming and developing a relationship with an eight-year-old which in the past would have been impossible when I was a kid the idea of a stranger having access to me and my private camera I had and the ability to send them pictures of myself would be unthinkably horrific to my parents my parents were pretty shitty

but they would not have ever allowed that to happen. But now, because mommy and daddy want an iPad and want you to have an iPad so you'll have something to do while they ignore you, now every kid has a camera and has the ability, and now that these apps and social media platforms are connecting strange adults, adults who think that the girls and cuties are hot to your children. And that's pretty bad. like there's a reason we don't like if an adult wanted to have a sleepover with your child we would call that weird right we'd be like oh you you shouldn't let your 12 year old your 12 year old daughter or son hang out with with a 37 year old right right but it's totally normalized now for adults to have private access to children I believe we're trying to compensate I believe that we don't want to give up the convenience of all the other things these platforms provide us and we're trying to

to compensate for this by being obsessively shameful of the urge or of the thoughts or of pedophilia itself rather than being like even even like if you had proof that like 10 men were like normal average adults you still wouldn't let them be alone with your 10 year old daughter right it's still still not a good idea. Still, it's weird. I mean, if there wasn't a good reason, yeah, I guess. Just socially because they feel, because they want to hang out, right?

Yeah, that would be odd. Yes, but for some reason, online is fine. So what I've been talking about a lot lately is that I think that the platforms need to be held accountable for this and platforms need to stop connecting adults to children. I mean, I have a two-year-old daughter and me and my girl have this conversation all the time of like

at what age, Will we let her look at TikTok without parental advisory? You know, at what point are you going to just allow her to be able to hop on YouTube whenever you want? Which, you know, at a certain point, how the fuck are you even going to stop her when you get YouTube on every TV in the house? You know, it's like. And even then beyond that, I mean, all these apps like, you know, I have a friend who discovered his, you know, 12-year-old daughter having conversations with strange men and the DMs on TikTok, which I don't even know if he realized there were DMs on TikTok. I mean, if you have kids. Why are their DMs on shit?

Yeah, it's a video. TikTok is an app for teenagers to film themselves dancing. Well, but there's a lot of stuff going on on there. And, you know, I've used the DMs on TikTok to have, you know, conversations or set up interviews or whatever. It's just like. So once you really get into it, it's just like Instagram. Watch what you're doing.

You're talking about your own daughter in one breath and saying she, strange men are going to be able to DM her on TikTok and I'm not going to be able to control what she's posting on there. And the next breath you're like, but I have gotten some pretty good. like business deals. So, you know, it's a tradeoff. I think it's a deal with it. There has to be an option for you to be able to turn off the DMs and be able to censor.

I mean, by the time a kid's very censored in general. A 12 year old kid will be able to get around that. Right. There needs to be a method to be able to do it that actually works. Yes. How I would. I 100% agree. It needs to be like locked kid mode on every app that you let them use.

I agree. Okay. So that, so the topic is interesting to me because it's, it's an area where even the most open-minded people will still engage in thought policing. What? Pedophilia. And I'm against thought, I'm against thought policing.

So I'm against restricting speech. And this is a, this is an area where people do not believe in free speech. They do not believe in autonomy or freedom. They think you should be locked up for your thoughts. They think you should be locked up for your speech. And, yeah, so the combination of I want to protect kids and I want to protect free speech, Like, that's probably, like, there's few things that care about more than children, free speech.

But nobody, nobody thinks that you should be locked up for thinking about child porn. They think that you should be locked up for engaging in that behavior or going out of your way to download or obtain child porn, right? I've gotten thousands of death threats. And that's because, because of people think, you know, that you're going beyond that, though, right? Right. It doesn't, it doesn't, and it doesn't matter. I said, I've said, child porn's wrong. I said in the review that this shouldn't, it shouldn't have been made with kids.

Right. Like, I mean, I understand there's There's people who would happily send me to jail for life for what I've said. And if you don't believe that, then I'm not, it doesn't matter. Calling them idiots doesn't mean anything. Right. Do you see that you're speaking, but it doesn't fucking mean anything. And we don't understand, right, but like your point of identifying people who wants to send you to jail for thinking that you, you know, or like, you know, that you are attracted to the kids, right? I guess like, I guess like we don't understand that.

Again, if those people, if those people will, like, throw you in jail for thinking about child porn, that's not the majority of Americans. Like, that's like a very small group of people. Let me give you a hypothetical. It's not a small group of people. There's this dude who has been doing the rounds on people's podcasts and everything. I think his name was Christian. He was on Sam Harris's podcast at one point and stuff.

And he used to be this, like, die-hard neo-Nazi has all these crazy-ass stories about walking up into McDonald's and, you know, beating the fuck out of a bull. black family in the McDonald's crazy shit like this like the worst stuff you could ever think of and he goes to prison for a period of time he gets out now he's all anti-racist and he goes on all these podcasts and talks about how to keep kids from you know becoming extremists and all this kind of stuff and it's interesting how you know he seems like he's widely given a past for his past behavior which is pretty horrific and it's it's interesting that he gets away with that and that and i'm not saying that he shouldn't but that that grace is not given

to many other perpetrators of crimes, right? Yeah, I don't know, know too much about him, you know, so. Mr. Girl, what do you think? Like, because clearly, you know, a child rapist would not be treated the same way. Yeah, we wouldn't put a child rapist like, like, in daycares to tell me. They're not going to let him repent or in any way, you know, talk about his past behavior, right? Which is probably for the best, but I don't know. I don't know how you, I wouldn't want to be a part of allowing them to repent publicly or talk about that.

But I mean, it's, it's someone's lived experience. In order, in order for society to be able to raise kids, there's like a pact of like the urge to kill and kill people, especially kill people who look different from you. It's probably advantageous at one time. Like when we were hunter gatherers, if you want to kill another tribe, that's probably a good thing for your genetic. default. Yeah. Pedophiles are betray their own families and their own society. Right. The pedophile is not raping the kid. If you rape kids in another tribe, like when like Vietnam soldiers go and like rape women in like another village, like in a village in Vietnam and they kind of we don't that's a different feel like you're not your, you're, um, your, your, um, you're

horrified by them, but you don't feel like, I don't want them in America. You know, you're like, okay, you can come back. You've got to go to jail or fear your crimes or whatever, but you're not like this person needs to be kicked out of the fucking country. A pedophile is different. A pedophile is going to, at least want to betray your tribe. So I think that's why. Yeah.

Can we like push gears real quick? Yeah. What you got? No, so, I think like there's a video that people give you. a bunch of flack for, right? I think you were, like, telling the story about how, you know, you, like, took this girl home, you know, you know, and she was down, down with damn near everything. And then as soon as you, like, took your penis out and put it in position, she, like,

wanted you to you to stop, but you still put it in. So do you think, one, is that rape? And would you categorize yourself as a rapist? And then, two, like, what's your response to, I guess, like, the backlash, like, folks gave you for that video? Yeah, I'm a rapist in addition. of being a pedophile. Hey, man.

At least you said it. I say it. Anything else you want to say? Not. Can you, you know, like, respond back to, back to, like, that video, though, of saying that you, you know, just had the urge to stick your dick in her after she, you know, like, clearly wanted things, things, like, to stop? Why don't you just say what you think of it?

Instead of trying to get me to say what I, you want me to say what you think of it. Why don't you say what you think? No. This is a tip for your YouTube channel. No, listen. Instead of saying what other people think, try saying what you think. Bro, trust me, bro, like, I'm good on YouTube.

You feel me? I have, have my success. But now I'm asking you. There's different kinds of success. I now have a channel and like you don't. So I would think that I've won that game, right? Yes. But.

In that sense, you've won that game. That's true. But. Any number is bigger than zero. Yeah. But that was rape, right? No, it's not a question. It's a statement.

You're trying to say that was rape. No, no, I need you to reach down and find your balls and see if you can find a period somewhere in your balls and take it and put it at the end of that sentence instead of a question mark. So say, that was rape. And if you want to be a little bit of a bitch about it, you can say, I think that was rape. But asking me, if you're, don't you, if you watch the video, you already know what I think. Because I understand why he's offended because the whole, the video is about how consent is a nuanced thing and how there are these fringe cases like the one that he's discussing. And you seem kind of dead set on going with the most basic explanation, right? No, no, no, no, no.

Again, right, the reason like why like I asked them. Because again, like, and this was supposed to be kind of like an interview, right? So, like, it's not an interview. It's not an interview. It's just you talking about yourself and Adam awkwardly. What about you? trying, it's, it's two adults trying to talk. I mean, Adam trying to awkwardly talk to me without making you look too stupid

because your friend. Finn. That's what's happening. Finn, listen, fam, listen, fam, again, you are attracted to the kids of a fucking pedophile, too. You have admitted to, again, but to a raping women. That's too. Oh, my God. At some point, bro, like, hate me?

No, I don't hate you at all, right? What's your name? I don't even know your name. At some point, listen, right? What is it? Flacco. At some point, though. Oh, Flacco.

Flocko, do you don't hate me? At some point, the one are you going to like, are you angry? Are you angry? Are you? Like, why are you? Dude,

does my content make you, does my content make you angry? Fuck no. And that video in particular, he wasn't running away from the conversation. He made a whole video about something that he knew a lot of people were going to have that sort of knee-jerk reaction to, right?

Yeah, at what point am I going to start running? Yeah, right? It's like, running to what? is like once he's asked about it it's always this like super like defensive you know right now bro listen just talk about it do you feel like again

I'll talk about it I just want I just want you to understand that you are coming off as the most spineless dickless how my spineless ballless passive aggras I called you a passive aggressive already you feel what I just don't think you're gonna you're out here shaking you danced around 25

you're not to you want me to answer your question of why I think things. Finn, listen, like, your hair shaking, filled with anxiety. Like, you're about to like, like, turn up this camera and off yourself, bro. Like, I'm just trying to help by some level of, like, comfort. I can tell you you're rapist without even thought. I'm confident.

I'm confident in my ability to express my emotions. Sure. Yes. I'm angry at you. Okay. I just think that like, see how easy it is. I don't know you. I know.

I know. Okay. This kind of reminds me of the 16 shot in situation where it's like the name calling or the accusations are not as good a way of going about the conversation. No, no, that's fine. It's no. If you want to come in hot, you can absolutely do that. What you need to do in the first 30 seconds of the conversation say, hey, listen, I know

you're probably expecting like an interview, but I'm going to ambush you. I'm going to ambush you. And I'm so I was a bunch of, I know, no, no, shut the fuck up and let me finish. I have a bunch of. You are pissed off. Yes. But what does that do pointing that out? No, no, no.

I want you to compute this in your fucking head. Yes, I'm pissed off. Yes, I'm open about being pissed off. Yes, you've pissed me off. And yes, you've pissed me off because you remind me of a lot of other fucking really knowing people. Yes. So you can stop saying that.

It's all out on the table. I find you incredibly fucking... You're mad because we talk about your content. No, I'm mad because you can't have a fucking conversation. Here's the way to ambush me. If you want to do it without making yourself look like a little bitch, come into the conversation. Well, let me make my case. And then you can make yours.

So what you would need to do is come in and say, listen, I have a lot of problems with your content. I don't feel comfortable talking to you like we're just buddies hanging out. It's the same thing you said about Nick Fuentes and the chicken and waffles. That's how I feel about you, bro. So I have some shit. I need to get off my chest. All right. So first off, I think you're a pedophile.

And here's why I think that. What do you say to that? How are you going to convince me to sit here and have a friendly conversation with somebody who I believe in my heart looks at child porn? Somebody who I think would abuse a child, somebody who I think wants to, somebody who I think is normalizing pedophilia. All these things that you do are fucked up and bad for. society. How do you, how do you respond to that? How am I supposed to sit here and like the in like chat with you? That's what you would have said. It would have taken you, I don't know, 90 seconds.

And then I would have responded in good faith. But one thing I can't stand is a fucking snake in the grass, spineless liar who pretends that they're not feeling what they're feeling and they're not thinking what they're thinking. It says like, well, isn't it true? Don't you think that maybe you're kind of a rapist? No, I obviously don't think I'm a fucking rapist and I obviously don't think I'm a pedophile or wouldn't have made those fucking videos. You already know what I think because I made the video. I sat down and I said what I think. So if you're going to respond to the video, then respond to what I said in it already.

You already know what I think. No, no, no. The fact that it takes you, you have to fill up the entire time we have to talk with this fucking tap dancing bullshit. Just say, I think you're a rapist and pedophile. Because it takes you for fucking ever to make your accusation and you frame it as a question.

No, listen, right? And my job is to have the conversation, right? So again, doing your fucking job. I could come out and say, listen, you are a fucking rapist. Cool. Now what, right? I would have a lot to say about that. If you would say that, if you would say that, no, no, no, no, no. Let's pretend that that's what Flaco said, that he just got to the point and said it. Okay, well, pretend that Flaco got to the point. Okay. Right. Well, I'll tell the story so people can decide for themselves if I'm a rapist. You're going to notice that these accusations are going to

start stacking up that I'm a rapist, I'm a psychopath, I'm a pedophile. Am I a sexist? Am I a woman batterer and a woman abuser. I'm just every bad thing that you could possibly be, right? Okay. Frible abusive for sure. Yeah. Sure. For sure. For sure. Absolutely. You cut her stupid all type of shit.

Yeah. For sure. Yeah. I went on a date with a woman on Tinder. She was 46 and I was 30. And I wanted to jack off in front of her.

They used to do that a lot. I still do it sometimes. But I had a compulsion to masturbate in front of women. I never really liked casual sex, but I like casually masturbating in front of women or getting hand jobs. I find it emotionally safe. It's physically safe. And I don't know. I guess I just have a fetish. So for this reason, I hadn't had sex. I, I don't. I guess I just have a fetish. I don't know. I guess I just have a fetish. So for this reason, I hadn't had sex. I was getting divorced. So I hadn't had sex in like a year or something.

So we go on a state and she's like, sure, I'll let's go back to your house and I'll watch you masturbate. So I go back to my house. And I was like, you know, I was like, all right, fine. Because like a lot of women are not really. into that specifically. They're into it if it's all they can get. But like a lot of times they're like, I want to have sex, but like whatever.

If this is all you want to do, fine. That's that's cool with me. I was like, all right. I was like, do you want to have sex? Fuck it. I was like, I feel like I need to have sex. And she was like, sure. Yeah.

She was like, really? And I was like, yeah. I bestow upon you the great honor of Mr. Girl's Dick. She said, okay. So she gets naked, we're making out. She gets on top of me and positions her vagina right on touching my penis. So it's at the entrance. And it looks me in the eye and says, I'm not ready.

And then just keeps looking at me. And I don't do anything and she doesn't do anything. And we're just sitting there frozen like that. And I was like, all right, I feel like she's looking at me. Like she's daring me to do it anyway. Or like it feels like she's calling me a pussy. And I was like, all right, well, fuck you, bitch. I'm not a pussy.

So I push her down onto my dick. And then we had sex. And we talked. Then she asked me to have sex again like a week later. that's it I mean so I told us yeah I don't know where the fuck you get rapist I said of that I mean she just had a moment of saying

I called a rape though well well I call yes I called it rape because and I agree well that's fine but the reason I made the video is because the video is called consent is complicated it's a video essay about how a lot of times no means yes a lot of times maybe means yes

but also a lot of times yes means no And legally, no means no and yes means yes. So legally, you can have sex with somebody who obviously doesn't want to have sex with you, who is trembling and shaking and uncomfortable. As long as they say yes, you are legally covered. But I don't think you're morally covered. I think that's wrong to have sex with somebody who does not want to have sex. And legally, if somebody says, I'm not ready, and then you, even if they want, I believe I was correct that she wanted me to fuck

her anyway. It seemed like she was excited by the idea that I couldn't hold back. Obviously, I'm not a good candidate for that because I have a lot of self-control. And I was like, I barely wanted to have sex in the first place. I was like, okay, you want me to make you feel like you're 46. I'm 30. I'm a younger man. I'm so passionate and horny. I can't stop myself from from raping you because you're so hot. Whatever. I was like, I'll play that part for you if that's what you want. It's not me, but it's cool. I mean, I just think that's a really interesting issue to raise in the first place because the reality is is that in the process of having sex with somebody a lot of times

there will be these like intermittent nose as you kind of take steps towards having sex for instance like everybody's had the experience of you go to pull their shirt up and she stops you and then 20 minutes later you try to do the same thing and she lets you know right yeah that's like she she never she lets you she never said yes but I don't But it's not, I don't think it's rape. You go to finger and she stops you. And then, you know, 15 minutes later, all of a sudden, you go to finger and she's excited for you to take her pants off. I mean, this is like a little song and dance between people.

I mean, yeah, like one of the things I think about a little, I guess I don't think about as much anymore. But like, looking back on it, it was probably one of the most arousing things that's ever happened. I was I was in college and there was this girl. we were hooking up but I was like I don't I was like I don't want to have sex and I don't want to have oral sex but we can like masturbate together

and she she licked my penis without my permission and then she was like sorry she's like I just couldn't stop myself it was like that's a cherished memory of mine technically it is rape but you know I'm not

I'm not I didn't call the police or anything. I think everybody likes the idea of somebody who can't stop themselves. Yeah, I feel that. But it's a, it's a sex crime. I have a friend who's like 21 and just lost his virginity. And he, before he lost his virginity, there was a night where he hung out with this girl and they had a hotel room together or whatever.

And they were in town for this different type of thing, whatever, mutual interest. And he's seeing her, but they haven't hooked up at all yet, right? And right before they go to bed in the hotel room, she says to him, hey, just so you know, I'm not trying to have sex or anything. And he goes, oh, okay, cool. And he's the kind of guy who's very, very mindful of his public image, doing the right thing. He wants to be a good person.

He wants to be on the right side of whatever she's feeling, et cetera. So he gets into the bed in the hotel room with her, and he rolls over and he goes to sleep. And then the morning, when they wake up, she's kind of giving him the side eye. he's like trying to figure it out he ends up hitting me up later he's like bro like tells me what happened he says that she was pissed that he didn't make a move on her and i was telling him i'm like when she says that what she's saying is is that she doesn't want to feel indebted to have sex with you it doesn't mean that she doesn't want you to kiss her cuddle with her you know attention she wants testing to see if you're okay with her saying right she wants the security

blanket of knowing that she doesn't have to do anything but that doesn't mean that she doesn't want you she wants you to try to do whatever and she just yeah like she wants to be able to call her own shots women want to have that their own autonomy there but he's somebody who's kind of he's walking on eggshells because he's seen so many people get canceled for these sort of fringe cases you know yeah but but it's bullshit that women do that they shouldn't you shouldn't pretend you're not horny or interested just to protect yourself there's got to be a better way to protect yourself then like I would rather mace. Like,

just bring a can of mace and fucking just have it in your hand the whole time. If you're afraid I'm going to rape you rather than pretend you don't want to, that you're not attracted to me or interested in me, but you want to sleep in the same hotel. It's just stupid. I don't like it. I've had that happen to me a million times where a girl was about to drive a half hour to hang out with me for the night or whatever.

And she prefaces it by saying, I'm on my period or I don't know of sex. But then, but then it's like, but then the, anti-rape messaging is no means no. But in reality, it's like, that's not true. It means like, it means maybe or hold on.

But then other times it really does mean no. And so I would like it if people would be more honest. And I think if women were better at saying yes to sex, then it would be more clear when they're actually saying no. What are your thoughts on drunk sex? I don't drink. I don't drink. Oh, you don't drink at all.

Okay. I don't drink for this. That puts you almost in an even weirder position where if you were spending time with a woman and she was drinking, that you would be paper aware of her sobriety, right? Absolutely. I would not hook up with a drunk woman unless she consented. No, I just wouldn't hook up.

I just would have to consent. Well, she could consent beforehand. Right. Well, I've been 99.9% sober for like the last, and I spoke a weed, but I haven't drank in like four years. And there's constant scenarios where I end up in a nightclub or at a concert or backstage or something, whatever. And I'm totally sober, and there's a woman around me who is like rolling off Molly

or drunk or drunk or whatever. And it occurs to me that if I was drunk or if I was fucked up, that she probably would not, you know, she wouldn't seem out of bounds to me as a person at that moment because me being fucked up, I wouldn't have been able to really like tell that she was fucked up. Whereas me sitting here totally sober, she 100% does not seem like an element. She seems like a person that needs to be in the fucking drunk tank. I think people are are I think we're too anti-sex and I think if we were more sex positive we wouldn't need to get drunk to have sex.

It's just it's very weird to me that like like in college you're horny or a college age you're horny and other people are horny and you everybody knows everybody's horny everybody knows everybody wants to have sex and yet for some reason you need to get completely shit-faced in order to do it. I just I feel like if we accepted sex and sexuality more like incapacitating yourself wouldn't need to be part of like the the mating ritual I know and it's so strange that that is such a consistent thing in our culture that like yeah sometimes when I think about if I were to become single right now being that I don't drink and don't want to drink that it feels like there

would just be countless awkward scenarios because ordering a drink at the bar with a girl when you want to date or whatever is a it feels like that's like the prelude to you guys eventually consummating this sexually and that people look at you like you're a fucking weirdo if you don't drink maybe it would be different for me now because I'm 38 and it was but I know for a fact that when I was like 21 that any time I tried to like not drink when I was hanging out with girls who were drinking that it was infinitely awkward yeah I'd never drink So I wouldn't even know. You're not even in the game, fucker.

Nah, man. Nah, not. Like, again, like, just me personally, like, I feel like liquor itself would just, like, impair me past the point of, right? Because, you know, I'm already off the edge. It's better to just not engage. But, yeah. Socially, it's the lubricant that makes this machine go.

When you're in clubs and stuff. Like, I was at a wedding the other day. And I'm sober. My girl's sober. And at a certain point, I'm just like, holy fuck. Every person in here is drunk as fuck. and having so much fun and me and her

are kind of, you know, stiff in comparison because we're not drinking. Yeah, right here. So, like, how do you gauge, like, for example, how do you gauge a female is drunk? Because, like, if she's, let's say, after, like, two shots, again, I don't drink.

So at the two shots, she's tipsy. I mean, it's different for everybody. I know, I've known a million girls in my life who would be drunk beyond the point of no repair after two shots. Is tipsy sex rape or no? Tipsy, I would say, is like the area that is acceptable.

Okay. But I mean, tipsy's all in the eyes of the beholder. That's true. Okay, I have a topic I want to raise. I think I found out about Mr. Girl from the white grievance panel, where you made it clear that you thought that it was stupid and bad for society that white people aren't allowed to be proud of being white essentially. Kanye made a big stink.

He had this one Jewish tweet, but also the big thing was the white. White Lives Matter shirt. And like you saw a lot of people like Puffy and Boosy and all these other people who typically are very adverse to giving someone like Kanye a hard time. You know, they look at him as a symbol of black excellence and they kind of give him a pass on all kinds of stuff. Like these are people who didn't for the most part say anything when he was supporting Trump.

But the White Lives Matter merchandise was was a bridge too far for them. Mr. Girl, have you followed this at all? And how do you feel? How do you feel about this playing out? I think that it's not artistic. I think Kanye could have written a song, like the Joyner Lucas song. It's called I'm Not Racist, right?

Right. That song talks about how anti-white racism is banned. And it does it in an interesting, provocative way that nobody has, I don't think people are complaining about the message. If Kanye's message is like you shouldn't hate white people, I think that's fine. I just think that the way he's saying it with the shirt is intentionally, it's like trolling. To anybody who's even slightly tapped into the racial discourse online and whatnot,

I think it just reads as like the most juvenile attempt at saying something interesting about Black Lives Matter or about whatever's been going on. It's like you're a fucking genius. You're a genius. And so like do something genius. Like this. So like I didn't have a problem with it. I'm like, yeah, it's kind of funny.

But I think white lives matter just comes across as like a dismissal. of racism or systemic racism. And so yeah, I mean, like, you know, I, part of me wants to be like, you know, trust him, you know, or let him, I mean, let him like, sure, he can do every once. And but part of me is like, I, I guess I don't really trust him as like a political thinker or genius except when he's rapping. I'm still like, I want to hear a song.

about even you want to make a song about jews fucking do it i'll listen to it right i'd probably even be good that's fine make a song about you hate jews you know um that's fine but like your tweets suck you know he's not you're not good at tweeting yeah i agree right like in terms of tweeting right now with that shirt particular like my opinion on that shirt is again uh i was it always told that all lives matter was the like the direct opposite or like counterpart to like Black Lives Matter, right? Right. So him saying, like, White Lives Matter, I think it's just like, you know, it's just like

a statement. I don't quite understand it. Now, I think the big part about it, though, is after that White Lives Matter shirt is the DefCon 3 on Jewish people. Right. Now, with that statement. Now, it seems like we're never going to get what he was promising right there when he said he was going to go DefCon 3 on the Jews the next day.

Apparently, some Jews intervened. Yeah, right, because he actually got banned by J.P. Morgan. I'm like, hold up now, bro. That's some next little. Like, I ain't never seen anybody get banned for being racist. What are you going to say? Flacco, every time you talk, I want to stick a screwdriver in my fucking ear. Why?

Because I can't stand you. I feel like we should probably talk. I feel like we're just pretending that the whole, that the whole first, like, hour of this didn't happen. And it's like, it's grading. I'm going to take a piss. You guys can hash this out for a minute. No, no, no, no. Right?

And you are, I guess, upset. upset, right, that I brought up your work. You showed me which was the cutest thing. That's pedophile behavior, but the- Did you hear me explain why I'm upset? And you are upset because I'm talking now, even though the last hour is, right? But again, I called you out for being a pedophile and therefore- and that's not what I'm upset.

And you called yourself a rapist and I reinforced that and said, why do you think you were a rapist? Do you feel me? I know. I know what happens. That's not why I'm upset. Okay, why are you upset? Because you're passive, aggressive. Not at all.

And underhanded. I'm underhanded for asking you questions about your work. Now, I feel like I was pretty bold in there, right? You feel me? And you actually be called a pedophile. I called you a pedophile. You feel me? I don't think you're bold.

Hey, man, that's your opinion. Yes. So, anyway, the reason I'm upset is that it's fine if you're, want to argue with me or argue with my beliefs or call me a disgusting person. I don't I a lot of people do that I that doesn't bother me a little bit but doesn't bother me that much what bothers me is this conversation killing inability to actually engage with what I'm saying and combined with Adam as well I can't stand passive aggressiveness I really really really really fucking grates my nerves. I think you have severe mental issues, bro, right? You know, again, like you, like,

and you, like, see it as, yo, like, I brought up, I guess, like, your past. And I think you thought that it was a secret. I don't see how, right? And now you were just, like, so upset that you can't control your anxiety, but your anger for some reason. Bro. I'm not trying to control my anger. The point of the point of going on a podcast is to be interesting. Controlling your feelings is not interesting. It's boring. While if I was, like,

if you were like a cop, I would control my anger. But shaking. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. No, sir. Yes. Well,

yes. I wouldn't, I wouldn't be shaking. My hand would be steady. Right. Listen. Again, I can pretend to be calm.

Good for you. I can pretend to be calm. But there's no reason for me to pretend I'm not mad at you. You're fucking annoying. So I'm going to express my anger. Be mad, but shaking with anxiety comes off as some severe sick of shit. Okay,

fine. fine. I'm coming off as a severe sicko to you. Again, I don't. Yes, I don't care. What did you think that I thought was a secret? Wait, why would you, why would you think that I don't want to have a casual conversation with you? Yes. I don't want to chat about what, about how tipsy somebody is before it's rape. I want to talk about this shit with you.

So what? So all I want to talk about is how fucking annoying you are. And then all I'm going to talk about is how you said, it's how you rape, it's how you raped the female and then admitted that you were a rapist and then bragged about it in this coy weird video right trying to brag about it and like told that line And then also two, too, right?

Do you think I should go to jail? If you believe that that was raped which you said, I think you should. And if you also believes it as well. No, no, based on what I've said, do you think I should be arrested? Based on what you said in terms of yes, I think that's rape, I would assume if you think that's rape, then she probably

thinks that's rape as well, so yes. Okay, so based on what, just yes or no, you fucking spineless fuck, do you think I should be arrested? I just told you. Yes or no, do you think I should be arrested? She never even had a complaint, right? So you think, so do you think it's okay for rapists to go free? Nigel, I just told you, you should be in jail based on you saying that you raped that girl. Then why don't you call the cops? Bro, listen, like, that's such a stupid argument, bro, because one, because one, I don't even know like if that story is true or not, right?

And then two, I don't even, like, know the girl. How can I call the police and say, listen, this piece of shit YouTuber? Oh, you only call the cops on a rapist if you know the girl? You fucking spineless liar. Bro, listen, bro. Listen, my nigga. So you're so bullshit. How do we know that story is too?

You're a psychological liar. Like, come on, bro. So if I came on here and I said, hey, listen. I got a weird thing to tell you guys. I never told me by this before, but last night, I raped a girl in a parking lot. And you'd be like, are you serious, bro? Are you serious? I would never rape any bar.

Are you serious? I'd say, yeah, I'm serious. I raped a girl in a parking lot at knife point. You wouldn't call the cops? If you told me you raped a girl at a knife point last night. Yes, I thought what I just said. Don't put fucking repeat everything I say. Just answer the fucking question.

And I believe you. I told you I raped a girl at knife point. And a raped a girl at knife point last night in a parking lot. Yeah. Would you call the cops? Yes or no. Yes. Okay.

So it doesn't actually matter if I think it's rape or if she thinks it's rape. That's a stupid argument, bro. That's an idiotic-ass argument, my digger. Bro, that's stupid as fuck. How is that the same? Once you're done, how is that the same? As me seeing a random-ass YouTube video and by you talking about how she said, and you stick your penis in there.

Let me break it down for you. To tell you coming to us as friends and tell us raped the girl last. If you saw a random-ass YouTube video of me saying that I raped a girl in a parking lot at knife point, and I was still free, do you think you would have some obligation to notify the authorities? If I've seen a random YouTube video, me personally, again, I wouldn't call, because again, I don't know if that story is even credible. So, okay, so then I'm on here and I retell the story on your podcast. I am now sitting across from you in front of you. Yeah, I understand. I'm sitting on your show telling you the same story.

So let's do the hypothetical. You saw a random video and you say, like, listen, I saw this video where you said you raped a girl. Is that true? And I say, yeah, let me tell you the story again. I raped a girl at knife point in a parking lot. You wouldn't contact the authorities. Back to your story. You stayed a day.

No, I know. You raped that girl last night. This is why I can't stand you. You cannot answer a hypothetical question. No, no, no. You're fucking liar. You're so full of shit. How am I lying?

I'm not lying. Listen. Listen. I can answer your question. Why? Why I don't address those bullshit as hypothetical, right? Because those are your attempts to muddy up the water. I'm talking about your story to where you admitted and say, yes, I'm a rapist.

I rape that girl. Cool. I believe that you should be in jail if that story is credible and true. Will I'll waste my time trying to figure out if that story is credible or true? No, maybe listen. Again, maybe, listen, maybe... The reason you're not... Again, maybe I'm a bad person for not...

The reason you're not... The reason you're not... The reason you're not contacting the authorities about an admitted rapist talking to you on your show that you are platforming is because you think the story might not be true.

Again, I'm not platforming. This is Adams, you know, my whole deal, you feel me? You feel me? You know, you are. By sitting there, you are platforming. How? Because you're going to go back... How about platform?

I don't control nothing here. Your fans are going to... don't want to watch this. This is probably going to be the best video you've ever made is this conversation with me. Bro, you're nobody. How? You're looking like a complete fucking idiot. You're unable to answer. You are nobody, my guy. So how to fuck would this be, be quote unquote my best video? It's not, yeah, I'm not talking about my star power that's going to make it your best video. It's the conversation. Hell no. I've had better conversations

with better people. Okay. It feels like you're just kind of offering him this over simplified version of his own videos to try to, like, offend him. No, no. I don't feel like it's a good strategy. I feel like even people who hate Mr. Girl are probably going to watch this and feel like you're not really being, like, an honest participant in this dialogue. Every person watching this is going to pray that you shut the fuck up for the rest of the podcast. They're going to, they would, they would, if you had a, if you could sell them a mute button,

they would just edit flaco out of the podcast. They would pay $10, $20, $30. That didn't mean anything. You say things, but they don't mean anything. No, it does, though, right? Again, like you were... So are you willing to answer my hypothetical questions or not? Bro, that stupid-ass hypothetical question muddies up the water.

I wish I didn't say muddied the water because you said it like five times after I said it once. Are you willing to answer the questions or not? If my friend comes to me and tell me... I can prove to you that you don't really think I'm a rapist. You're just virtually signaling. Again, if my friend comes to me and tell me that they raped a girl last night in a parking lot, I would probably call the police if I deem it credible. And not him just bullshit. I don't want to hear you say the same things over and over.

I want to know if you're willing to answer the same fucking questions over and over again, nigga. Then answer yes or no. I already answer your fucking question then. Are you willing to answer hypothetical questions? I already answer your fucking question, right? Again, but you keep asking the same question, I'm giving you the same answer. If you don't say yes in response to this, I'm going to take it as a no. You keep asking the same stupid questions.

I keep giving you the same answers and now you're upset at the same answers for the same question. Do you understand how stupid that sounds? Okay. I don't have anything else to say to you. Sure, okay. You really thought you were just going to jump this motherfucker on here, huh? No. No, not, right?

Not. Right? So look, it started off, like, at the quarter conversations, and then, like, when, like, you left and say, you feel me? Oh, it got bad when I left. Yeah, right? You feel me? A tense two-minute piss? Right.

Okay. Right. And, you know, and, like, he had, like, a weird, you know, like a minute, like, diatribe, you know, just talking about what the bullshit. it, you know, coming from me calling me, all type of shit, like, you know. So then I'm, like, responding back, like, I, you know, like, we can't be cordial then, you know. What do you think, Adam? I just think, because we have this problem before, Mr. Girl, where Flacco interviewed a young YouTuber named 16 shot in visuals, and Flacco kept calling him a clout chaser to his face over and over,

and the podcast ended with him spitting in Flacco's face. and it kind of feels like he's driven you to a similar place right now. I would never spit in Flaco's face. Right, but I mean, it feels like he pushed you to maybe a similar breaking point

by just kind of offer. I feel like the name calling is just like a bad route to take as a podcast or a public person. He asked me to, right? When I said like, yo, in that video, how do you feel about the comments? Right?

I'm fine with me. And he told me, or you called me a pedophile I'll call me a pedophile so that I say you're a pedophile, right? So, like... I'm fine with you being nice, and I'm fine with you being mean. But I'm not fine.

I'm not fine with you. And now you're crying about it. But you're passive, aggressive, underhanded little bitch. I can't stand it. I can't stand it. I can't understand it. I don't understand it again.

I don't... Yeah, I'm engaging. I don't understand, stand like that point, right? Like, you ask me a question. It started off cordial and then you ask me to call you a name and then you ask me if I think I'm a rapist. And I say, you know what? I don't think you think I'm a rapist.

And you're like, explain that. And as soon as I start trying to explain it, you just start fucking clapping. That's not true. That's not what happened. And you state again. I don't think you think I'm a rapist. Right after my question. No, listen.

I think you're lying. Listen, right after my question and you went ahead and stated, oh, stop being a pussy. Call me a rapist if you think I'm a rapist. So I said, okay, you're a rapist. You feel I'm so? Right. I don't think you really believe that. But past that, though, right?

And you're the one who keeps on engaged like an ass. asking for me to call you these things. And then once I call you things, you're crying about it. I don't understand it. No, I want to argue with you. It started off cordial. I want to argue. I want to argue.

If you're going to call me a pedophile, you should be ready to engage in an argument about that. And we're engaged in it. And then you cried about it and shaken about it. This is probably the biggest appearance that I'm going to make to new people for a long time. So I'm being exposed to a whole new audience. If you're going to call me a pedophile in front of that new audience, you should probably be willing to let me lead the conversation a little bit. bit and explain my like why I don't agree with you I think you're not you're like oh you're mudding

the waters but this is the dynamic is that like his story about the thing with the girl where she momentarily didn't consent or whatever it's like that's a nuanced take it's a nuanced situation that I think even a die hard me too feminist would be interested in having the conversation about that situation and what's what's responsible in that situation? So for you to hear that situation that is nuanced and have and have your response be you are a rapist It just like it shows such a complete lack of nuance that I can't help but think that the audience is going to pick up on that as well and be just as frustrated as he is That's fine. That's honestly fine if you want to make that if we want to make that lack of nuanced statement That's totally fine, but you should be willing to then test it. You should be willing to allow it to be tested with questions like well if you really thought I was a rapist if you thought it was the same as if I raped

somebody at knife point, you'd call the police, right? So you're going to be, then you'll be cornered into admitting like, okay, it's rape, but it's less rape. And then I would say, okay, well, but if you still think I should be arrested, shouldn't, like, if you think I'm in danger to society, I've raped a woman, you think I should go to jail for how long. And then you just watch you dig the whole deeper and deeper. Of course, you don't want to do that because you realize how fucking stupid you'll sound. How stupid you'll sound to everyone in the audience, you know, people in your own audience have been in situations like that, men and women who are like, you think should go to jail for like five years because of that?

Like is this guy fucking stupid? I'm sure nobody who didn't commit rape. Fouca, Flock is probably a cool, intelligent dude when he's not on camera, but he's so scared of your opinion of him and is scared of his own audience that yes, when you put a camera on him and a mic in front of his face and talk about something controversial, he does in fact become stupid.

Well, because like the situation he's saying with like the 17 year old or whatever when we were trying to have that nuanced age of consent type debate, you were kind of running from it. Like he's asking you like interesting hypotheticals that you were refusing to answer. No, right. No, listen, right, because he does this is like a bunch, right? If he tries to like run away from the

original point, right? And I still like sat back and say, you know what, bro, like, I'm not going to pounce, right? And then with the whole rapist conversation, right? I asked them, yo, like, do you think, right? And again, yes, I know you think this is. I like, ask him a question. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Wait, right. It just comes off as annoying. I ask him a question, You just seem like you're triggered by my content. How about your content? Bro. Do you know my content? And who I talked about again, right?

I asked him a question void of my opinion and void of me calling him a quote-unquote rapist. And he was the one who said, call me a rapist, everything I am. Right? So he's asking for these attacks and then cry about it and try to play this victim card. And I don't understand it. I don't think I'm the victim here. I think you're my victim. I think you're going to come out of this looking like a fucking idiot.

Nah, bro. listen, again, right? And you think that, but you ran away from conversations. And again, bro, I don't understand why you are upset at me talking about your content. I just explained it. Do you want me to explain it again? It didn't make no fucking sense when you explained it, but go ahead. Okay. I'm not upset that you're talking about my content. I'm upset that the way you talk prevents conversation from being possible because you will not follow my train of thought to understand what I'm saying. You won't answer hypothetical questions to stress test the stupid shit you're saying

And you won't stop repeating yourself And just blabbing over and over again Even right now you're interrupting me Because you can't shut the fuck up Oh you do is interrupt You know who you are, you're Mr. Girl All you do is fucking interrupt You broke listen bro

Like you are here trying to like victim blame right I was not able to answer your question You were here trying to play victim right Because that YouTube channel got to take it down I'm not the victim I'm going to victim I'm going to And now you're here trying to make yourself look better Trust me dude Stop it now I'm not trying to try to answer

made myself look better. Bro, it's disgusted. I'm just trying to make you look stupid or help you make yourself look stupid. Bad job at doing it. We'll see. Okay. Mr. Girl, what would be your advice for Flaco moving forward from this conversation? Seriously, my advice for Flaco moving forward?

What's his goal? He's an idiot, man. Flaco's goal is to make himself look clean. You don't know Flaco then. And good. Yeah. Oh, I don't know. Oh, Flock.

Oh, my God. Is Flaco a controversial figure? You just bragged about not getting banned from YouTube. No, listen. Listen, I bragged about what I said was right, you know, like. Your success at not getting banned. No. Because my content was too controversial.

I never broke TOS. My content was so controversial I got banned. You're bragging that you didn't. But now you're like, oh, you don't know Flocko. Who bragged about it? So, Adam, I need, I need, if I'm going to give Flaco advice, which I love to do, I want to know what is goal. is.

Probably, I think his goal is to be a prominent hip-hop personality. Like a rapper? No, like a commentator. A prominent commentator. In the rap space, probably mostly. Okay. Well, when you watch sway in the morning, do you see him being like, so Eminem, do you think that what you said in the song Kim,

was abusive to women. Do you think that maybe you are an abusive partner? And then he's like, well, you know, it's a song. And he's like, no, no, no, no. Yeah. I think you should look at the greats and maybe model yourself after that. With question, why do you think that like that funny voice that validates like your point even further?

I don't. Then, bro, listen, again, right? I don't even understand like, and here's the whole thing, right? Because again, and I was cool playing it. back and he asked me to call him these names, right? And then once I do it, he's now shaking with anxiety, panicking, angry, looking like he's like distressed. I'm distressed because all of my life I have had people like you trying to smother me and they're pretty good at it. I don't think you'd call the cops on me, but I think you'd report my channel. No. Why not? I don't, again,

like me personally, I don't report no channels. You feel them right? Because again, I'm a YouTuber too, bro. Like, that's fucked up. Okay. Okay. Well, I guess when you were rubbing it in my face that I got banned, I got the, I got the wrong idea. But it came across like you're glad I got banned.

You're dancing on my grave. I don't think, though, like, that's how that's how that conversation works. I think you started like this whole like pissing contest. And then once I mentioned, like, I'm a YouTuber too, you feel me? Right? You know, and then you started to like, try to like, like, downplay something. but I'm not even sure, right, but yeah, like, I never bragged about, like, having, you know, you know, like, have my channel and, like, not being banned.

I don't think that's true in this conversation. All right. Well, I think if you want to become a prominent hip-hop personality, you should understand that hip-hop is inherently controversial. And I think, uh, YouTubeing is kind of similar. So when I make videos or when I make rap songs, I reach deep down into myself and try to find the most uncomfortable, ugly truths that I can admit about myself, and I put them out there, just like great rappers that I grew up listening to did. It's the same thing. And so if you're

trying to become famous for interviewing artists such as myself, you should probably not spend the entire conversation virtue signaling about how if you were a rapper, you would rap about nice things. If you made video essays, you wouldn't make video essays that make controversial points. like I don't think Adam if Adam made a cuties review he wouldn't make the same fucking review that I he probably wouldn't even touch it but he knows that he understands that his role in the conversation

is is to interview me or discuss the ideas that I bring up and then possibly even push back or argue with me but he's not he's not there to like say that I'm doing it wrong and that I should do it the way he's doing it or if I was going to if that was my plan was to have a list of here's three things that I really

fundamentally disagree with Mr. Girl on, I would want to have, you know, a more nuanced take. Or I would want to have something that was more grounded in the reality of what he had said, whereas it feels like you're kind of intent on misrepresenting his points. And like, so like we've all, we've all, I think we're all old enough to have seen great rapper after great rapper be misunderstood and misinterpreted by annoying commentators. And you're just like, you do you. Yeah, I think you're just another annoying person saying that call of duty turns people into school shooters.

That's saying that that Eminem or Tupac or Biggie make kids do drugs or cause gang violence or whatever. Yeah, you're just like another boring person. Yeah. Who is like in my way. But it's not that you're boring though. You're actively trying to destroy me. Yeah, that's why I don't know. Again, I don't understand, right, like how like me asking you about cuties and like asking you about you calling yourself a rapist.

I don't understand how me asking you about those two things. It's your inability to engage with those ideas above a sixth grade level. Uh, bro, but you think you're getting at all. Here's the proof that I'm not a pedophile. Pedophiles like talking to little kids. I don't. I think you're fucking boring. I'm boring because I called you out on all your bullshit.

You're boring because nothing you say is interesting. Bro. I'm sure, honestly, I'm sure you're a cool guy when you're not on air. And calling yourself a rapist and a pedophile is interesting. Yes. To me that's sick. Obviously, calling yourself a pedophile is interesting. Yes.

To me, again, I don't see that as like interesting. I think it's fair to call it interesting. As some sick. It's very out of the ordinary. Yes, it's sick. Yeah. It's true. Interesting.

A lot of, a low bar. or it's a high bar but it's I mean that's unquestionably interesting and he like some what things right and him I guess saying you know in a black 10 and 12 year old girls were hot and then him admitting that he was a rapist and he apparently thinks

like that makes him I guess more like interesting and like me having like the opposite view of I don't find 12 year old girls hot that somehow makes me you know a quote quote snowflake no it's that you won't shut the fuck up it's your it's that you just are blabbing meaningless. I don't know how to explain this to you. It's not your views that are bothering me.

It's not your views about my work. It's the way that you're incapable of having a conversation about it. I didn't babble at all. I like asked you but the question and then you asked me for my opinion. I give you my opinion. Well, I guess we just have to agree to disagree. I don't want to. And you never liked it. Yes. I don't like anything that you're saying. And vice versa, my brother, vice versa. Okay. Okay. Um, Mr. Girl, I think we should do another conversation in the future because this went in a sort of specific direction okay that sounds good yeah but i definitely think we should have another conversation especially once we see the fallout from this jesus christ it's so annoying that i'm going to have to watch like a whole destiny video of him

reacting to this uh he's gonna yeah uh i i i'm starting to really really hate his audience. Oh, really? Why? Yeah, because I love, I love Stephen with all my heart, but his audience is, I don't know what it is. It's like every time I do something that he wouldn't do, they hate it. So like, if Stephen were on here, Stephen would, Stephen would have made flaco look stupid, but he would have done it in a different way. He wouldn't, he wouldn't have done it by freaking out. He wouldn't put, he wouldn't big his heels in. He'd probably just like come up with some counter arguments that make you look stupid and then he'd probably just ignore you for the rest of time. I had a great conversation though for destiny for like two hours, no, no, no, three hours.

No, yeah. I'm saying if you came at him the way you came in me. I wouldn't come at destiny. Why? Because never admitted to saying yes, I'm a rapist. I raped this girl. That's not true. That's not true. He has said that. A word. Hey, listen, if destiny has said that he's a rapist, then he's a that person too okay yeah anyway uh his audience is going to criticize me for um getting stuck or getting or looping or getting stun locked when like from my point of view i'm just like no i just don't want to fucking pretend that i can't that i i want to pretend this isn't happening and they're going to say oh he's so honest so he's going to say that he's honest but really he's just a narcissist and just can only blah blah i can't stand it i can't fucking stand them i can't i i i don't like the idea that there's

they're so parisocially attached to destiny um that if you do anything different from what stephen would do they just like latch onto it and like can't stop fucking talking about it it's it's really annoying so yeah i can't i i dread it i dread i dread watching the response reading the comments i can't fucking stand it right yeah i had a guy come up to me in the airport like an airport employee the other day and it was just like bro like i had no idea that you were a part of the dalaban and i was oh my god and it was so weird to just like at that moment realize that this guy has spent hundreds of hours of his life consuming the same content that i have that i really didn't have to but i guess we're probably better people for it for watching step yeah yeah step's a great guy and

his his content is great as i said i love him but the fans. They really piss me off. They really, really piss me off. You a Keffels fan? No. No. Okay.

No, I'm not a Keffles fan. I don't. It's the same thing. Anti-free speech. Shit, I hate that. You're a Kiwi Farms user? No, I'm not a Kiwi Farms user. I do think that Kiwi Farms creates an interesting

problem of like publicly available information, well, like doxing. Like when you dox somebody, if you say like either their address, it's you, most people's addresses are publicly available. So it's not like you're saying their bank account number, but it causes immediate, horrible like things to happen to them. So I think, I do think it's an interesting like free speech question, but I don't think the answer is, um, Keffels. Got it.

All right. Well, I'm going to hit you up and let's do another one of these soon. All right, man. Sounds good. Mr. Girl. Thanks for having me, guys. Appreciate you, man. Yo, seek help, man, please.

You feel me? Because that anger is crazy. Think about your top five favorite rappers. Uh-huh. And you're none of them. And think about what their songs would be like

if they took your fucking advice and sought help instead of expressing themselves artistically. None of my free, none of my favorite rappers has said, I'm a rapist,

nor express a track them to 12 year old girls so you know so i'll be good you know in that apartment okay all right thank you mr girl thanks for having me appreciate you man