No Jumper - The Murda Mook Interview: Almost Battling Drake, If It'll Ever Happen, Eminem, Getting Canceled

Episode Date: June 22, 2021

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No jumper. Coolest podcast on the world. Today we got an absolute legend in rap music in the battle rap game. Murder Mook is in the building. Yes, yes, yes, man. Pleasure to be here. How you feeling? Thank you, man.

Listen, I'm feeling good. We already had the interview booked. And then all of a sudden, like yesterday or the day before, you got the craziest co-signed, Drake, a lot of people didn't even know you guys knew each other. Right. And he just got you on fire right now. Yeah, he got me on fire, man. I woke up.

you know, he put me on his page, you know, without my consent. It's kind of fucked up, man. I know, yeah. Nah, but, you know, me and Drake, we had a very peculiar relationship. Yeah, I'm sure the world could use a summary of how this went back in the day. So, I want to say four years ago or so, um, One time we was in New York, we was at a club. Well, I was trying to get in the club with my people's shit.

You know what I mean? And I was fighting to get my peoples in the shit in there. And then all of a sudden here, go, drink. They're like, yo, Mook, you got to chill. Now, I'm in New York. This is my city. And then here comes Drake. We're like 13 niggies and shit.

They hit me like, yo, oh, shit, move, what's up? Like, you know what I'm saying? So I'm trying to hold my capole, you know, keep my pride. like yeah what's up like you know he like no you coming in I'm like yeah so you know he wound up you know we wound up going in with him and shit but then we started to chop it up and uh I didn't know he was as a as much of a fan of me as you know as as he told me at that point because me and him never really had a conversation or interacted too too tough so you know when he telling me he like yo

You know what we used to do watching, you know, your battle, going to school, and, you know, we used to pretend like we was y'all and shit like that. And as the night went on, got a little bit of liquor in the system and shit. And then, you know, he was just like, yo, but you know, I'll kill you. And I'm like, I'm drinking his liquor, though. You know what I'm saying? This is his shit.

So I'm like, yo, listen. Standing in his section on his couch. I start sniffing the bottle and shit, like making sure there ain't nothing going on in here for what will make you say that to me. Like, you know what I'm saying? But he like, no, I kill you. Like, you know what I mean? In a battle. And I'm like, really?

And what year are we talking here? This was about 2000. No, hell no. This was longer than that. Wow. I'm bugging. Because I did the BT award shit was 2014. So this was 2014.

This was in the beginning 2013, 2014. Wow. Years are like crazy. So this was a different stage in Drake's career where he's very much solidified. He's a pop star.

It's huge, but he's not like... No, no, he's Drake. He's Drake. But he's a little more Drake now. Well, at right now he's a... But no, he was still... Remember, zero to a hundred just came out. Right.

He was Drake then. You're right. Like the concept of him. him battling you was still kind of ridiculous. That's why, you know, shout out to artists of the decade. That is just, you know, that's like an accomplishment. I just were. I didn't even know.

Is that a new, that's a new thing? I don't know. Do they do that every decade? Who had the 90s? Who had the odds? Well, who had 2010 to 2001? Well, you know, because I'm just hearing about it. But yeah, so that was zero to 100, Drake.

Drake still had, you know, Drake was still a man. Then, Trampin the man for a while is, I think, the point that I'm saying. 2010, by the way, got to be 50. 2002. Yeah, 2000 and 2010 has to be 50. Because I was thinking Wayne, but that's more later in the year, and I still think 50's impact was bigger. 50s impact, yeah, because Wayne was 2006. Yeah.

It was later and it was gigantic, but I still feel like nothing was big in the G-Unit. Nothing came like 50. I don't believe. Right. Nothing came like 50. nothing. So I'm still trying to see if anything did. But that is a great thing to argue about or a thing,

or wait, it's hard to even like kind of argue about it, but to sort hip hop out because then you only really have like four or five gods of the decade, you know? Right. Was Yee was in there? Should he, wasn't he in there? Was Yee in there? I think Yee was in there.

Yeah, he was in the two, two, that. Yeah, was in the middle of the pack of Wayne, I think. Yeah. No, Kanye's. definitely like he was in there you got to put him against 50 yeah yeah because they tried to remember and I remember the 106 in Park thing they did a bet with 50 and yay um right about the album sales and that was when we kind of realized like oh rap's going in a little different direction than what we thought because we were in the New York bubble at that

time where it kind of felt like nobody could defeat 50 ever right yeah did you say more yep he did He did, but that was like 50s, the third album. So anyway, murder mooks in the club. The alcohol is affecting him. It's in his bloodstream. Drake says, I would kill you. Not, I think I could go at you. I think we could be even, I think I could maybe do so.

No, he said he was gonna kill. Yeah, he said, I'll kill you. So FAB was there, chart the Fav, right there in the cut. So that's my, this is my, what you call the people who sign the shit to know the right, The notary public That seems my Notary Republic for this moment

So I'm like, yo, you sure you're kidding I'm like, so let's do this. Take a picture. Let's take a picture if we can pull up the picture too. When you put Murder Moog and Drake, you'll see both of us facing off pause.

Trev, can we get the Google? Yeah. You'll see us facing off pause. And, um, and um, so I'm like, I'm going to take this picture and I'm going to put it up. Be like, go ahead.

hey, like he started, you know, talking shit. So I'm like, you know what this is going to do, you know, if I put this shit up and we talk about the battle. So he's like, no, okay. So I put it up. I put it up that night in the club. I don't even think anything of it until the next day. Next day, the media outlets was like everywhere.

They can't resist that. No. On every single. Let's just murder mook, Drake, they're going to do a battle, murder moot. So now I hit him like, yo, yep, yep. Damn, it looks like you're battling right there. Yeah, that's what I said. We're going to do it.

But yeah, you can tell this is a Drake because his shit wasn't even in. He was, he was, you know. He wasn't even bearded, yeah. He wasn't, me neither. I wasn't bare boo. Right. So, yeah, and so imagine him, that's him talking shit. You know what I'm saying?

And, uh, would you describe? You in the back? Yeah, yeah. Like, you might have been there. How drunk would you say he was? I want to say he was talking, he was drunk. He was going over to Vanessa's house drunk. Like he was texting her in that song.

Remember, and he was like, you know, about how he gets really drunk and emotion. And he goes like, he was that drunk. He was going to text one of his exes. He was going to the crib. Okay. He was going over there, Dolo, like in the snow. That was that Drake. drunk. He probably made one of them songs from

that. So he was that drunk and the next day I called and I'm like, yo, we got to do something about this. You know, we have to do something about this because you know, you don't set it. It's doing crazy. So he

ignored me. First he's like, no, I, hold on, you know, because he's Drake now. So then after a while he, well, he started to ignore me and then he like, all right, we're going to figure this out. But I'm like, you know what, fuck that. I'm about to just go at him.

So I just started to just go at them. And then I did the hip hop awards. Shout out the Snoop. Snoop had a, this was the first time where they did live, the live cipher. And Snoop had called me to be on it. And it was the actually biggest moment of that, of that, of that, the whole show to be honest. And I went in on his beat.

So on the zero to a hundred beat. And I was like, here to finish line, it's all mine. You heard Drake, I had you flash back in the acting, it's real hair. I cripple your career, put it back in a wheelchair, get killed here. It ain't no chill here.

My demeanor don't play the feel here. The grassy, it ain't greener. I was on it. I was on it. Trust me. I was on it. So I'm like, I'm going to bait him out. And then, you know, I guess he kind of understood, like, this might not be what I want to do. You know what comes to mind immediately? What?

I just watch you battle Iron Solomon. Okay. I don't think you're dropping some of them Jewish bars against Drake. I'm going to tell you, right? Iron was, I had to. I'm going to tell you. Drake how much the you holocaust yeah it was

it was I had to with Iron because it was Iron is a legendary battle rapper and Iron is very a very smart battle rapper you know like a lot of times people don't

understand battle rap is not more so like how good you are and rapping and stuff you know it's about how witty you are and how great you could put together the puzzle of actually winning. It's about winning, so he's really smart.

He knows how to win. And I knew bullying him, he's a white boy. I can't be a street naked. Like, I can't talk to him about tough shit. If I talk to him about tough shit, it's just it could fall on deaf ears, because he could just say, well, I ain't never say I was going to

I was a tough guy. You know, I ate, you know, my only toasters I know, they put bread and pop tarts and shit, like he could say that and then all of a sudden I'm in the water looking like a fucking bully and then so I'm like damn I got to approach him differently

so that's why I approached him in that man and now as far as Drake I wouldn't know what I would do but back to the picture he posted when he said I would have smoked you so we were like the other day at the battle we was talking about

and he like I was ready to battle you for real because he had a event in Canada that he did, right? Now, mind you, this was coming off of all of the hype, and I'm like, yo, we got to do the battle. He's like, yo, we got to figure out a way to make it happen. So he put together an event, but it wasn't, it was just for other battle rappers. He just was there, like sponsoring it, but it was through a king of the dot. And I just so happened to go there with Rex, because Rex had battled up there. It was a two-day event. Rex who was supposed to be here. Yeah.

T-Rex supposed to be, we don't know. We just hope everything is all right, Rex. I hope you somewhere, because we're going to kill you. If you're not dead, you better be dead, but not dead so we can kill you. But so the two days, it was a two-day event. So then, like, after, after, I want to say, couple hours into the second day, liquor was free and shit, and everybody knows me. Get me liquor.

So all of a sudden. They like, yo, Drake wanna, Drake wanna holler at down. We didn't see him the whole time. They like, yo, Drake wanna holler at you and shit. So I'm like, all right, so we go up, he like in the, like it was a theater kind of setting. So he like in the booth, all the way at the top, Skybock type shit.

So we go there, I'm like, yo, what's up? And he like, yo, what's up? He's like, yo, you wanna do it? So I'm like, do what? He's like, no, like, I'm, let's give the people what they want type shit i said like what you want battle like he like i mean if you if you if you ready like that's type person like like i mean if you if you want to like i'm like hell fucking yeah i want to now mind you i ain't have no reps or nothing so now i'm like

this in my mind i'm like this nica set me up i said this motherfucker set me up so he could have potentially worked on this shit for months absolutely and I was already there for a day and a half. This is the second day we had the event. So if you knew you wanted to do that, you could have hit me the day I pulled up and said we was going to do it.

And how can you turn it down? Because it's the opportunity of a lifetime. For him. And for you in a way because I mean, you're just never going to have that many people watching you at one time again in your life. The whole world would stop to watch this.

Absolutely. Let's just acknowledge how Jagued. Yeah, no, you know, but I'm still going to always talk my shit like, for sure. But so I'm like, this motherfucker set me up because you could have told me initially, but no, you wait till you see me dab drunk, you gave me fucking liquor. You like, you treat me like one of the bitches you'd be fucking with. Like, you, you said, go ahead, you sweet talking and shit. Then all of a sudden they drunk, you don't know what's happening.

You know what I'm saying? Now you went to room with Drake. Shit, shit, going like, you don't know. So they're like, yo, I said, but I say, you know. You know what? Yeah. I said, give me an hour. Said, give me an hour.

He's like, all right, bad. So now in my mind, I'm scrambling. Like, I got to make up wraps and an hour and be able to say him. So I'm like, now here goes to the, you know, opportunity of a lifetime shit. So now I'm thinking like, hell, yeah. So I'm not letting this go down. So I go downstairs in like this area in this basement, secluded. like type shit start to get to thinking shit like that um i put together a plan where because it was a

lot of other battle rappers so i was going to have one round and then we were always going to jump him in the second round everybody was going to have four eight bars so you know what i'm saying we was going to do it like that so i want to say within 30 minutes of me preparing somebody came down like, yo, we move, da-da-da-da-da. They're like, yo, Drake can't do it. Back in my mind, I'm like, yes. Yes.

But now me, I'm like, what? I'm like, shit, what? What? What you mean? He can't do it. Nah, we're at? Like, nah, we're like, I'm going to let my nuts hang at that point.

Right. Because I'm like, yo. But they was like, yeah, nah, he can't do it. Somebody stopped it. Not him. They said it wasn't him who didn't want to do it. They're like somebody else stopped it. So when you see me put it on my page when I'm like, yo, whoever your management, because I told him over the day, I'm like, yo, because he's like, yo, I would have smoked you.

He's like, I really, so I asked Chubb. Chubb is like always somewhere around. I just wonder how many people are around that can tell Drake what to do. Chubs. You see him halfway Drake did? You think that he really? respects his decision over his own at times? No, but Chubb, Chub didn't tell him,

Chub didn't stop it, but Chubb is like his, like real bro, like, you know what I'm saying? It ain't no, I'm Drake with him. It's like, I got niggas that be like, what the fuck you doing? Like, chill, you bug it. Chubb, like, you know what I'm saying? Even in the picture that he put in,

the shit is hilarious because Chubb is in the picture on our shit, just, just, I'm close, but I'm here, but, you know, you don't know I'm here, but yeah. So, but Chubba's... You got the light on on your phone,

over? Oh, shit. Yeah, so, but... Got to respect the battery life. I said, whoever told you not to do it, I hope you pay that motherfucker very handsomely.

Because you would have, I would have, that day would have been bad for you. That's what I'm telling him, but he, like, he really would have did it. He, like, he had raps and everything. Like, he had, you know, And so that confirmed two things.

That one, that, you know what I mean, he's really for the culture. And two, he really tried to set me up. That's what that confirmed. Wow. You know, but we, you know, since then, we've spoken a lot of times. But just not about the battle or shit until we was just at the battle. Reagan's a really cool guy.

After my battle with Tayrock, when I battled, last it was Halloween and shit he he just hit me in the DM with this long you know um it's just i don't want to say dissertation but it was kind of like one of those just you know but he was just telling me how much he respect me and that you know how good i am and battle rap and shit like that but no mention of the battle no no no mention i i told him told him, let's battle. I said, let's battle, you know, coming up. He's like, no, I'm not doing that. Because he pretty, he knows I got raps now. He knows for, and just in case. Another six years of plotting as well. Right. He know just in case, like, I will never let that happen to me again.

The way I felt right then at that point, because I knew if I was coming to Canada and he was doing it, I'm like, I should kind of write some raps. But, nah, he ain't going to do it. Like, I'm in the back of I'm like, he's not going to do. So when he said, I want to do it, everything just was like, oh, shit. Like, I didn't trust my first instinct. And I'm like, he really is smart. And he really would do, like, he would do what I would have done.

So when that happened, I'm like, I'm never so. I have just in case of emergency break for Drake. That's what I have. Is there anything that would have been off limits? Or would you have treated him basically like anybody? because I mean the whole problem when you are somebody of his caliber rapping is that the whole world knows every last goddamn detail of everything that's happened to you over this many years when you're battling somebody that

doesn't have as much to pull from it's kind of different you don't have as much to lose Drake is like he has so much to lose if he were to get humiliated I don't know like how are you thinking I'm gonna keep it all the way a hundred I would I wouldn't have I understand the opportunity. I understand what it means and I understand the ramifications it could have but I also for him

and after the battle understand what it could do for me I don't want to lose that lane you know what I mean? Because he Drake Drake could just after the battle just you know he could say one thing and then, you know, he might

could just shut everything down if he feels that way. So I wouldn't have done it to him because he's not. That's really not what he he watches the culture. He, you know, he respects the culture, but even just the people around him,

him being this business, Drake stops, a lot of people, livelihood comes to an end. A lot of other people's livelihood comes. So him, somebody telling him not to do it, it's a lot

of people that could probably say that to him because they have business as well in him. It's kind of crazy. Somebody might snipe me. If he did it, it would be the ultimate flex in a way because it would be him saying my career

is so invincible, so untouchable that I could get in the ring against somebody who is the most lethal to do this, arguably, and I know my reputation won't take a hit because truthfully, I honestly believe that about his career is that no matter how bad you did him, he'd bounce right back.

Yeah. Even if they had a couple bars for him that day, Twitter makes fun on him that day, I just don't think it's really doing anything in the long run. I felt like that. I felt like that was the reason. I was telling him that trying to get him to do it. Like, yo, listen, you would have,

because, you know, I know secretly, him and Jay-Z and Kanye's and even Wayne and Nazes and all of that, they have secret competition with each other. For sure. So for him to be able to sell more records, like, you know, and they're competitive, but then to be able to do this, and then if he could, to be successful in the time that he does it,

and then come in as, would you against our, I'm the way I am in battling. When you say lethal, I'm not going to be kind to you. You know what I'm saying? And he knows that. Right. So there could be a chance that that could have. So him going against that potentially would have been the ultimate flex to them.

Like they could, there was no, there's no more hip hop than that. There's no more. You can't say, nothing you could say to me. I did this. I came here and did this. And then I went over here and did this. You know what I'm saying? And the thing is, if he did it,

a whole bunch of other very popular mainstream rappers would all of a sudden see it as an option for them to go get a bag and battle a battle rapper. And if that then became kind of a trend, which I actually honestly think it might be after that, then he would basically get credit for that whole wave. And then that also would cement his leg. because it would be like look at what a trendsetter is that he got he got

ludicrous battling somebody for three million dollars right it's it's a lot it's a lot of them really want to battle rap secretly yeah but because you get to hear them confess their drunk-ass feelings to you in the club and shit a lot of them really want to do it trust me a lot of them really want to do it a lot of big names want to do it but it's that it's that it's that factor of not knowing if the outcome would be you know what I mean

it's easy to do it on a song and you know that's on a song but to that's why what we do is so ill and so important it's important man it's like going to NASCAR race where you just know you could see somebody lose their life at any minute you could watch a career die tonight

you know well figuratively like i mean we don't figuratively right right yeah you know NASCAR you really could die what I like that one cannabis battle where he just completely loses it I mean that that was pretty close to like seeing somebody lose their life right there yeah

that was horrible you know I didn't even like seeing that that was horrible that was bad but I mean you know tons of other great examples yeah and I'm talking about people though you know no disrespect to cannabis but it is what I'm talking about as far as career-wise right now. I'm talking about people that are considered like at the top of the food chain. We want to do it.

Right. Want to do it with others, top of the food chains. Maybe not even want to do it with another battle rapper, so to speak. You know, they want to probably do it with somebody else that's at the top of the food chain. Joe Budden set this whole process back like 10 years too. Because that just like that just showed how bad this. can go. But if I, but I, because I know people that was like, man, what the fuck he did?

Like, I wouldn't, I would have never did that. Talking about that, that's what they were saying. Like, they, that would make me, if I was one of them, that would make me want to do it more. Like, let me show y'all. Like, that was the perfect springboard to show that I'm not one of them next. Like, I really do this every way around, all around the board. So Joe doing that would have been like, oh, that's beautiful that you did this. That wouldn't have made me scared.

You know, I'm a warrior. You a war, but these dudes come from battle rap. A lot of them come from battle rap, you know, the ones that I know want to do it. Right. And Drake, Drake comes from battle rap. He's like, you know, he told me, you know, they watched it. you know, Tories,

like Tory Lanes, he battle rapped and, you know, he, a lot of, it was a lot of me and his battle reps. If you see him

young battle reps, it was like, hey, like, is that Moot? Like, that's, that's like Mook. Like, it's so weird

when you really think about it, that it's such a norm in hip hop. It's almost like a rule that once you get to a certain point in your career, you just can't battle, even though we all know

that there's a ridiculous amount of money you could potentially make doing that. Especially not. You know? Especially now. Especially now because I, I, I, yeah. Yeah, because now, like, you know. The bag for somebody like you has grown exponentially over the years.

Yeah. Yeah. See those words? Exponentially. That's, that's where you know what's happening. Because you use those words. You were real hyped on making 25K for that Iron Solomon battle you were saying in the battle. Yeah, absolutely.

I was because. And I was watching that thinking, I bet 25K is not really cutting it from MOOC these days. Not these days. No, but, but. And no, I don't want anybody to be feeling like. Great bag. Yeah. Respectable bag.

Respectable. But, you know, it's like when you got child support, you know, your child support may be different contingent upon the lifestyle you was used to living. And so that's how the judge awards it. It's the same thing, you know. But the 25 before, it was because people was getting paid $500,000, $1,000. dollars and I saw I saw that first when I saw somebody were paid to watch me battle rap or battle rap once I feel like you could make a dollar you can make a million dollars you could

make a like once you put somebody one person pay oh now it's just the now we hustling now now it's just a part of just getting everybody to like this shit you know what I'm saying and once you get everybody to like it they're going to pay for it. it. And once, you know, they pay for it, then you're getting rich. It's the same thing. But what they used to do to us was they used to kind of trick us or try to trick us and to believe in that, oh, this is just some, this is a hobby. It's just some shit. Like, so it was taboo. So that's why the reason people like, you know, me and Lux can, like, really sit there on our square and,

demand these kind of bags is because we we've been through it to where it was no bag at all it was how much you get paid to bail j mills nothing paid what what you mean paid there was no paid that was just for the love yes the our our currency was it was respect that was what we got paid in we got paid in knowing feeling like we were better than you us being better than the other and it's all we wanted. Me and Lux talked about that at length about how it was all about just doing it for the love.

And then at some point, though, you realize that you're a fucking idiot if you don't get what you deserve from this talent of yours. Right. And we were... DVDs were being sold. We were selling the DVDs.

But we didn't know that we were the ones actually selling the DVDs. You didn't think about that way yet. Yeah, we know. because it was a lot of people on the DVDs, a lot of other acts, it just wasn't no battles, but people used to buy them and just go to the

battle first. Everybody I know was like, if I bought a, they bought a smack DVD, they bought the DVD, they went to the back to watch the battle, and then they watched the rest of the shit whenever they felt like watching it. So they bought it for watch for the battle. That's

selling the DVD. You know, and the irony of it is like what I say was smack DVD is that the shit that was on the back of the of the actual DVD is was first now you know what I mean it's like the thing you put all the way in the back that was last his first now is was making you all of the money you know and so when it was taboo to mention battle rap and they used to know a lot of the artists well I don't want to say a lot but some that I used to run into it was like Oh, those are just battle rappers. Like, but they watched it. It was guilty pleasure, kind of. Like, they watched it very much.

And, but they never would say it. You know, they never wanted to say it. But I think it was because of being frightened because we were that good. It's like, that's why I used to feel like they used to say, oh, you battle rappers, but they don't make no music. You know why? You can't tell me that if Soldier Boy could make you on Superman,

and it'd be crazy. You can't tell me somebody else can't, like, what is hot then? You know what I'm saying? If anything could go, nobody, and this is not a, a slight to that, because that was a big record, but it was hot for what it was hot for.

You know what I'm saying? Everybody, everybody, everybody's not going to like everything. You know, and it's for, whatever music is for you is for you. So I feel like they used to say that to us just because they couldn't do what we did. So they used to be like,

yeah, but they can't, Because they can't be able to do everything because then that makes them, you know, insufficient in a way. It's always like a reoccurring theme in rap that there's some percentage of rappers who look at being really, really good at rapping and really caring about being good at rapping as not cool.

And it's a weird thing. And why is that, why? Are you talking about these days? I mean, like, you know, I'm thinking about, like, the era of, like, when you came out, Where it's like, there just was a lot of people who would fucking look at battle rap as if it wasn't cool to be all about being good at rapping like that. Like, you know, like, I kind of blame Gizi in a way because when he came out saying like I'm a trapper, not a rapper. And even like other-

But Gizi was rapping. Right. While he was literally rapping those words. He was rapping very slowly. But, no, but Gizi was it never whack, like to me. Like, I always thought, Jeezy sold a lifestyle. You're selling a lifestyle. But

Gizi watched. I met Gizi from him watching battle reps and shit. Like, you know, and all right. I'm saying as the people, I'm not even talking about somebody like Gizi because Gizi is from,

he was from a different area, you know, geographically, whatever. That was the South. They had it. But I'm talking about dudes from New York and we've tried to do that.

You know, but now it's like how much they make it? And I think that's what it was. It was like, because we was little niggas because it was like, there ain't really nothing. But now the table's turning, it's like, this shit, they get more money than you.

Dude, they get more money than you. You probably got to do five shows to get what I do for a battle. And you know what I think is pointing in this direction, too, of this being something that's going to really happen, And it's like when you see the YouTuber boxing matches and the TikTokers versus the YouTubers and shit, now I think a lot of the rap people are looking at what they're doing and saying like, oh, these dudes are out here

making ridiculous amounts of money to basically like use their fame in an unorthodox way of like fighting each other. And I think because on the card that they just did, there was a rapper this dude, DDG. He was on it. And he did a boxing match against a fucking TikToker and got, you know, presumably a shitload of money. And now I feel like a lot of people are going to look at that, like in the rap world and kind of think like, well, maybe I don't want to train for six months to fucking beat somebody's ass in a ring.

But I am a good rapper. Maybe that makes more sense of like, you know, I just think it's becoming more normalized to make that bag from something like that. Paperview shit. When what you call, when people came out of the shadows is where Jay Z like tweeted luck shit. That's when I think everybody kind of crawled out the shadows. Like, boom. So when Lux did, you're going to get this work, right? this was this was Twitter was still

this was when Twitter everybody was really just on really on Twitter and Jay Z's well Jay Z's allure period is you know whenever he you know do something it's very much everybody stops and listens in but this was when he did

he had like three like Twitter tweets to his day I think he has like less than 10 in total ever so everybody like was wait so when he when he put you gonna get this work. Ah. It went like,

everybody was like, wait a minute. Jay Z watches this shit. And then Google came out after that and was like, yeah. Jay Z watches this shit. Motherfuckers is like, oh, Jay Z said he watches it.

I guess it's really not that, that, you know what I'm saying? It's so good that Jay shouted it out without linking to it, putting his, Right. And he didn't say shout out like Lux or nothing. That's so cool.

You're going to get this work. Like it was like, I, damn that, like, that's because the way you, you're going to get this work. It was so. And I think Lux just, you freest, he freestowed that. You had to, right? Like, that was just in the moment, man.

Like, that was so fired that, you know what I mean? And that was just off of, That was off of a mistake. So that made that, like, in life. Like, that came from him making a mistake earlier. You know what I'm saying? To now that turned him into, oh, nah. Oh, fuck, no.

Nick, nah, you crazy. Now I forgot. I'm from Harlem. I got a ton of my shit. No, nigga, nah, you're going. And then at them, he made that from that. You know what I mean? Something that could have been a down moment.

And then he turned into the greatest shit. period and then Drake said you that's really getting a bird you gonna get this word and everybody just you go get like you know it turned it you know that's battle and that made battle rap uh I want to say I want to say it's not mainstream but I felt like battle rap used to be used to have the NBA right regular rap and then it was like the battle rap was like college right but now I feel like battle rap is like the NFL. You know me like you got the NBA but then you got the NFL the NFL. You come see my show.

Like I come see your concert. You'll come see my show. I'm just, I'm into, it's another league. It's not, you know, that's it. It's pretty crazy too when you think about it, though, that in rap, dudes who have been in the game as long as you are very rarely at the top of their career. Yeah. But when it comes to battle rap, that rule kind of goes out the window where a lot of the most elite dudes

have been doing this for a fucking long-ass time and are in their 30s or whatever. how's that feel? Because like when I'm watching that Jay Mills battle last night just thinking like, God damn, it's insane how good he has been for so long. Right, right. And actually while talking to you right now, I'm thinking

it's amazing how enthusiastic you still are and how in love with the shit you are. You know why? Because first of all, thank you. Damn. My enthusiasm and I want to say it's really kind of

I want to say like, it's going to sound like an oxymorra, but it, because in the beginning, like I said, it was about being better than, about being better than the other person. That was the, our respect. I feel like I'm better than all of them, right? But it's not even money that's the induciediasm. I feel like now I'm better than all of, I'm better than all of the entities, that went against us. Like, I feel like I'm gonna be bigger than all of y'all motherfuckers now.

Like better than y'all. So whatever you do, what you do? You win it, and I know it's a lot of you niggas that went against me. I know for a fact, y'all might not know that I know, but I know people that used to tell me, because I used to always try to get indoors all the time, you know, what other shit,

and people used to shut it down. You know, he's a bad, a rapper, bad. And I used to hear it, I was like, all right. No problem. problem. I'm a whole that shit though. It's in here. Still in here. All of that. So if you was

one of the niggas and you run into me and you see, you know, see, I, you know, if you felt like I gave you any kind of funny like I just, I remember it was you type shit. And I'm going to be better than you. And I'm a person that's like, you know, I'm humble.

But I'm also an asshole. I'm really an asshole. Like I will I won't stop. You know what I'm I'm gonna? If I got you somewhere on the ropes and you

and I know you did me file I'm not stopping. Period. To where, it's a part where my wife or somebody got like, come on, man, Moog, like we gotta go.

Nope. Nope, I'm gonna sit there and I'm gonna, I'm gonna surgically, I'm gonna, I'm a, I'm drilling your shit

and I'm gonna keep drilling. I'm not going, uh, I don't want to see blood. I need to see through your, through the bone, all type of shit. That's how I am.

Fuck that. Ain't no, and with sledgehammers, that's how I feel, period. Right. I'm not a, I'm not a very lenient person when it comes to that. You didn't get to this point in your career by just being a whatever ass dude who don't give a fuck. Yeah, I just, I don't give a fuck though. I don't, I don't give a fuck. That's why I'm saying.

Give a fuck. Fuck, fuck you if you felt like anything bad towards what I do with anything bad. I don't care. Fuck you. Lucks is nice. You know, one guy. One guy I'll give it to. Lux is nice.

Lux is nice. You know, I'm the other side of that. I always say that. I'm the other side of that, period. Maybe I might be a little bit too, but that's whatever. There's been like a whole big thing in hip hop over the past couple weeks of the rush more of hip hop, like right now or of all time or whatever. In terms of right now, if you had to pick four. I mean, I guess three.

Right now. I guess two, because Lux sounds like he's on there. Oh, we're talking about battle rap? Yeah. Oh, me. Who's the gods right now, four? Me, Rex, Lux, and, uh, that fourth, man, that fourth, I can't tell you the fourth. I'm going to tell you why I can't tell you the fourth because.

You might have to do battle. And then there's a whole, man. When I say something, man, shit go all the way. You know what I mean? Motherfucking would be like, there's 15 guys who are going to get pissed. And soon as I don't say, it's going to turn into

the biggest thing in the, like, you know what I mean? Battle rap sometimes is like it's annoying because niggas don't stop. Like, you know what I mean? Like a nigger or dis you? Soon as you, this, nigga dis-em back, it's like niggas act like

you was the one who started it. They want to drop dizzes and t-shirts and shit. They want to go crazy. So you got to be really careful about, You know Prime example A lot of people Don't know this

And I'm going to say this Conway Right from Griselda You know how he really got popping He got popping from battle rappers That was a That was a genius marketing scheme that he did

Right? What he did was If you're like, I could go back and check this When people started to notice him He did a freestyle and it was on, I think it was on sway. It might have a sway. I know it was on like Shade 4 or 5. I don't know whose show it was,

but he dissed all the battle rappers, right? And this point, it went viral. And then the next day, all, and it went viral, right? All the battle rappers start dissing him back, tweeting about him, putting on an instant. put the video clip of him dissing them up talking crazy getting their fans to

battle rappers the most easily triggered audience though because it's like so integral to the culture that you have to do battle with whoever wants it everybody know but no you don't and that's the right so

unbeknownst to them people they didn't know they was just that was just a marketing the scheme of getting motherfuckers to know who Conway was. So what do you do? You disses the motherfuckers. Everybody have their own platform. They're looking. Everybody have their own platform.

Everybody got their own fans. So what do you do? This one person, they put a clip on their Instagram. All of their fans start to talk about this person, right? Boom. Okay. Now, somebody that might be following this person. is following another one.

And then an hour later, they see the same clip of the same person talking. Now you would see Conway named 50 times. So much of being famous is just familiarity, just seeing somebody over and over and over to the point where you just know who they are and now you're, you know, the next day, Conway was trending,

all type of shit. And then boom, but he was also good. He was good. So, you know, you got to be good. too. Like, you know, so you know you good, you dissed them. Now this motherfucker good. Let me see what else this dude fucking's doing.

Now, you don't fuck the battle rap shit. We got, we got familiar with him from battle rap. But now oh, this motherfucker, let's see what else he got. Because if he was trash, then he would have immediately become a meme. But his music being dope and also the kind of shit that a lot of battle

rap fans probably would fuck with, pretty genius. Pretty genius. It was. And that's what happens. You know, he did, I didn't diss him back yet. He had me in there, but, you know, I didn't dissim back. I'm going to catch him one of them. When I think about, like, well-known mainstream rappers that you could battle, Griselda definitely feels like, damn, I wonder if they would ever step in the ring. Well, I mean, I don't know. Probably not. I wouldn't want to, I mean, that's, that's not the,

that's not caliber for me. I'm talking about Jay-Z and shit like that. I like, we know, like, we know, like, Kendrick is stepping in the ring with Lux and shit, like, you know what I mean? but Kendrick is a big battle rap fan but Kendrick he wraps like Lux if you listen to Kendrick's

rap and you listen to Luck he comes well first of all he he's already said that Lux has influenced him you know I mean so just everybody out there because it you know people will be like what

just because Kendrick has become this mainstream super John Norman success. Excuse me, very well deserved, two Kendrick, great dude. So they'll say, oh, what? Like, no, hell no, no, Lux, you can't compare, but he's already said it.

So y'all could go and, you know, find it to where he said Lux has influenced him or whatever. But he, if you hear the way he puts his bars together, he does it, he raps just like Lux. You know what I'm saying? So I would like to see shit like that. Lux versus Kendrick and, you know what I mean? Eminem versus Eminem.

like murder move and you know the other M&M it's my favorite guy to be honest so don't you know I don't want people to think you got to go in a cave to battle Eminem you got to he's a different type of in you got to do some real you can't just battle him you know so that you would take that a lot more serious than Drake that's what you're telling me clip that

hot no hip hop you got that you said I would take the title I would take the who you would take Eminem more serious than Drake in a battle. Yeah, I mean, serious as far as writing? Yeah, I mean, writing, yeah, because I would, with Drake, I would feel like I would have to be a little more, shit, be off limits, you know, be a little more lenient and shit.

Like, M, it's nothing off limits with him because I, you. And he hasn't given us anything about his personal life for like 20 years. Yeah, and M tells us, though, this is why I'm saying. He tells motherfuckers he, nobody better than him. That's what I'm saying. If I was able to, if I was able to have a valid argument to be able to jump in the business day, like, you know, like when he go at the top of the top of the rap food chain, you know, when he come out with these songs, I guess he talked about Kendricks and we talk about Jake Coles and Jay Z's and, you know, Naz's.

just the elite to the elite streaks Blue Wayne this is a deliberate shot at them like when he come out with shit like rap god just out of nowhere just come out like I feel like a rap god like and he telling you

none of you niggis is going to say nothing to me none of y'all going to respond he says this shit in the song and nobody don't be saying shit and they'd be killing me because nigger the type of niggas I am is like what I fucking dare you think you gonna come and just say you to

nigger you know what no I'm going to respond but me I can't respond in that arena because I'm gonna just look like I'm just trying like nigga you look like you just thirsty you know I mean so I can't respond but that's interesting that that conscious of that and how it would be viewed even though I agree no no it's the truth I know what it is but the rest of You know, because these are all heroes of mine. And there's always going to be that effect to the fans when anyone comes at somebody bigger than them, you know?

Right. But these is all, like, I get disappointed because it's like, y'all, y'all say this and your rap. Then when a motherfucker like, M come and say some shit, that's what let you know what kind of nigg M is. Everybody gets deaf when M come around. Everybody's like, well, he didn't say my name. So he ain't talking to me.

I'm pretty sure if somebody else came and said the things M said, like there would be some verbal back and forth on a, you know, just on a rap tip. But when M say shit, motherfuckers be like, oh, no. I'm not saying, you want some of this too old man? No. Noges do not want to play with him. But, I mean, I want to get busy. Like, I've been saying that.

because I know where that'll put me as far as this is concerned. How'd you feel about M&M versus MGK? That shit was... People said to MG... I heard people say MGK, I didn't get it, but, you know, I... That wasn't even nowhere close, man.

It's just kind of like the last time I could think of where I had any kind of real public tension that spilled over into, like, you know, that MGK song, like 50 million views and shit. That's true. That's a good one. Yeah.

Nick Cannon, but it was like none of them really could do nothing with him. See, that's, but that's the thing. It's like, at least MGK though, MGK,

shit wasn't trash, but it was, it's just the caliber wasn't the same. And I kind of honestly feel like that with battle rap nowadays. Like,

like, when I battle somebody and shit, I feel like I'm just, I'm better than you like this. Like, Like, if you hear the material is not the same caliber. But we are in a, we're in an era and a time now, you know, if everybody gets to have an opinion because of this. So somehow, even though we don't know who's behind the comment,

we don't know what age they are, what they're, like, we don't know who, if the opinion could even be valid, if you have a, you know, but somehow just because it's there and it's seen it somehow holds weight and then if you see a hundred of those consecutively all of a sudden that becomes oh this is what the people feel like the people we don't know a lot of a lot of like a lot of like a lot of motherfuckers don't even leave comments a lot of motherfuckers that really matter don't even care to go be like let me comment and say what I think I think that the motherfuckers that comment is motherfuckers

that don't really, you know should have a valid opinion. That's how I feel. Because you see shit that's trash all the time and you don't leave a comment that says this is trash. I don't, yeah. I don't leave. Why would you? I may leave this as a, this fire on a page, but I don't

you know what I mean, but I'm not a really street nags ain't definitely not commenting and going folks and doing all that type of shit. They don't even, they like, you know, put on this. for me. You know what I'm saying? A lot of time niggas like that. So imagine them going to comedy. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Motherfuckers don't even know how to get to the actual shit. But, um, back to, yeah, so with, uh, MGK and, um,

Nick Cannon is like, I don't just think skill-wise, they match up with Eminem. Eminem knows that, but I, he wants to, he wants to get busy. So,

so bad, not gonna duck no smoke so he's going always i just feel like somebody else need to say something but don't you think that m&m would totally make a song going at you way before he would do a battle against you because making the songs is his specialty and doing the face-to-face battle is i think he would battle i think em is really that i don't want to say crazy i just think em is really one of those he's just somebody that would, I think, I know he would battle. I know him would get in there face to face and do a battle.

For a fact, if the circumstances were right. And I don't think, I'm not talking about having to have special, I can't say this. And I'm just talking about if the arena was, like the big enough arena. Is it super common for that to be written into contracts of like,

you know, you can't say this, or we don't want this to be talked about or et cetera? Have you dealt with that a lot? No. But it is. I was watching a Rex battle, and it says there was a bunch of people in comments saying that the guy made him not be able to talk about his kids.

Sometimes people do that. Yeah. Yeah, you just pour it. I know we can't put it on this thing. Yeah, pour it. But. Your variants are not showing what brand of alcohol you're drinking? I respect that.

Got to get the check. I haven't come across that, but because battle rap is so much of a blood sport, certain things should be off limits. I feel like morally, I feel like you should know. I mean, you made it clear that you feel strongly about this a couple years ago. Yes, I did because. And there was some complication where you felt like you had been pushed, right?

I had. I had been pushed. It was not a felt. But at the moment that you were pushed, you were also, I think, what was going through your head? Were you, like, calculating what to do with this anger

that you felt in your head? Initially. Because for those who don't know, you were battling who? It was the guy named Briss Rothstein and T-top. And he had said something about your mother, even though she had passed away a couple months prior. She just passed away, and they knew

one of them left a met you know my condolences T-tob under the under the post that I posted about surpassed so they knew and you know

they you know they said something about fuck your mom's bitch shit like that and I just felt like in that moment like first of all that's not a it's not even a bar that's a witty bar or anything I felt like if you talk about like say about I talk about

your mother, I'd be like, and I had your mom's doing this X, Y, Z last night, and she, and you make it into a bar, I'm with that. Like, you, when I said that you were hitting Iron Solomon with the Jewish jokes, I mean, they were, like, brilliant. So it's like, if you said, if you just said, you filthy, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's different. Make it into a bar. So when it was like, yo, your mother, it's like, you, that's how you just really feel. Okay. In that moment is when I calculate because I wanted to react then.

But I pulled it together, held my compote. So now, but now, from that point on, nothing slides here. There's no, like as in battle rap, things, you give a lot of rope. You know, you may people, like, we may push each other. a back and fall may do a little extra because that sells it, that's like part of the, you know, that's part of just what it is

for battle rapping. You know, you give it that shit. We come from the street for real. Battle rap comes from the corner. We in the hood trying to get out. We're trying to make it out. Battle rap was trying to make it out the hood to be rap. We was only battling.

And that's the crazy shit. Battle rap came from the corner, but nowadays the way people tend to fucking handle their problems is by shooting each other. And in a battle, it's over and over and over people saying things that could get you shot in the real world to each other. But because it's battle rap, people rock, people let it rock. But that right there, I saw you just see that line of like, this is the line that I'm not willing to let someone cross. So we battle weapon, right. That's a great point. Everybody should,

I think everybody should become battle rappers and that's the case like you got a problem you know just try to fucking battle try to battle rap shit I mean it makes that era look beautiful when you think about it because that would be so great if people could handle their problems through something constructive and creative

and it but it's a lie man that line because you may not you may not I may not be this person that you could talk to crazy in real life but in battle rap you could talk to me crazy

and I got I'm gonna I have to eat it for this the sport so you get the like on the flip side of the me iron solemn and shit I've seen motherfuckers that wouldn't dare

I'm talking about it wouldn't dare speak to another person this way say the most vile disrespectful shit and I'm talking about I say shit like yeah and I'm saying this shit and I really mean it

like no like like think about that like like yo and I really mean it I'm not even just battle rapping I'm talking about if outside we can make it happen you know what I'm saying if this like saying shit like that

like to where you like but then when it's over it's like you know what I mean and you like you're like yo all right so

from that point was there's nothing there's no more this is no this is we I'm here to finish this battle and get the fuck away from y'all because y'all already so there's no you get to do extra shit you don't get to you know you don't get to just be extra

you don't get to do the extra battle rap things so once the the push in the back happened to me and then my arm is being held because I'm like because I'm some I didn't even know who it was I just got pushed and then I put my arm like

what the fuck and then it was him and then my arm is being held and to be honest there was really no calculation other than it's you and I've been in a lot of situations just fight He fights to where

motherfuckers got jumped I got jumped to where if my arm ain't, if I can't my arm can't move bro, I'm swinging on a nigga because the next thing I feel like is if

I can't move my arms somebody is coming here to crack me that's I for 100% I feel that way once I'm held and not in the position to defend myself

I know oh y'all don't try y'all did this y'all set this up you're playing this now I'm here can't move a nigga just coming

You already said, fuck my mother. So I feel like if you say my mom's fuck my mother, my mom's a bitch. I feel like writing that actual lyric, you made a conscious decision in your mind that I don't care how this nigga feel. I know about writing this, something could happen, but I don't give a fuck. So when you write that and you say that,

and then you got me like this, and I'm feeling like, now I'm feeling like, oh, y'all just came to do some bull. You ain't even came to battle. You said fuck your moms. I ain't really popped in. So now you push me. You try to provoke me.

So y'all want this to happen. And that's when I just, I just had to get somebody up off me. That was it. I regretted for the culture, but I'm not going to take nothing back at all. I mean, you have to make that

fucking decision in that moment based off of your animal instincts, like, is somebody trying to fight me right now? And granted, it's not common for people that get in fights during battles, but you're doing the most aggressive shit possible to each other. It's not like that's not a possibility in your head. Like, I can't really, like, look at that situation

and really find you at fault, even though it is unfortunate. Obviously, I think fighting is overall net bad for the culture and shit, but it is. It is. It is. It is. It is.

And, you know, like, a lot of people It was seen it that way, but it was genuine. It wasn't, it wasn't premeditated. You know, it wasn't like I held on to this. I knew I was, no, it was, yo, what are you doing? It was a lot of shit going on in the battle even then, like, just weird shit they was doing to where I'm like, this is not a battle, like, what's going on here?

Like, I'm rapping, you walking through my shit and doing all kind of just things. kind of just things, I'm thinking you trying something. Something is happening. Y'all are trying something and then being physical and then that's just the last straw. Like, I

don't got time to sit here and wonder what's going on at this point. Now it's like, you know what I mean? Because when you start doing that, it's by that time you're in the hospital. Like, shit, I knew it. You know what I'm saying? Like, nah, I didn't have shit happen to me a lot of times. I've been in a lot of situations

to where I didn't even, I went it gets what my gut told me, which is a no-no. You know what I'm saying? Everybody, you know, we know, and it's the saying, yo, when you shoot first, ask questions last, is a real, that's a real thing, man. I figured out in high school, like, if I feel like somebody's going to hit me, that's a real thing, man.

You better swing. You better just get it cracking because that's your best chance at winning this thing. Yeah, period, because if you don't, you're going to wake up. And then you, but you always end up looking like an asshole, too, because there's always going to be people who say, like, Why did you throw a punch in the bar? Hey. Well, I thought they might hit me.

That's it. Safety is first all the time. Right. That's it. All the time, safety first. There's no other way to go about it. I don't got time to be caring what somebody else might think of me. Because you, like, you could be having words about what y'all thought of me after,

because I could be dead. You know what I'm saying? This dude was a good dude. No, hell no. Mm-mm. I'd rather be the asshole than be the good dude that could have been, like, or, or, you know, why he didn't just swing? You know what I'm saying?

It's always, it's never nothing. Like, it's, you damned if you do, damned if you don't. A very weird chapter in your career was when, like, for a couple days, all the mean girls on Twitter decided that they wanted to cancel you. Yeah. Yeah, that was a very weird chapter. When you look back on that now, how do you feel about that? Um, I felt like I was, I felt like I did accomplish what I wanted to, though.

You know, as me having my show, my podcast, but easily offended, I wanted controversy. Period. That's my job to get the most eyes and ears to my show. Battle rap lessons brought to the podcast in Rome. Controversy cells. Absolutely. Controversy will get them looking. All the time.

So almost the Conway thing. What makes the gets the most women, especially black women. When you make black women mad? Oh my God. Black women don't shut up when, and for nothing, period. Like, yo white, my white, like everybody white. My wife don't shut up.

She say shit all the time. It's like, shut the fuck up. yo is but they never do so black women always gonna let you know what the fuck they think so my show I need it I'm like how to fuck I can get some controversy here you know and it kind of went crazy it went crazy and I think people could have the average person would have probably went crazy would have probably went crazy but me that they know me that I'm Especially no like I've already said that there was no malice or anything, you know, and I was actually posing I was on Van Van Laiden. I was actually just posing a very legitimate question.

I believe like where I'm from Puerto Ricans could say nigger. Right. I learned that there's a lot of other places that Puerto Rican can't say nigger. I'm like, wait, what? primarily Twitter, I think. Because just to be real, out here in L.A., every fucking Mexican kid I know says it.

You know? But then they get famous and then they got to stop saying it. I didn't know that because... Not all of them, but like that's usually how I see it happened. And that is like a weird thing because, like, from looking at Twitter, you would think that it's like 100% not allowed for Latino people to say...

But, like, living in New York, every freaking Latino person on a new set. Because I go where, like, where I grow up, I just go by the environment. I don't, we don't, like, like I told somebody, I don't have a white boy that grew up with us, well, like, two. They say nigger. We didn't even know they was white, though.

Like, they just grew up with us. We didn't know they was white. We, like, they just Spanish or they, we didn't even know they was fucking white. New York is like that, though. Yo, they say nigger. They'll be white kids who just blend in way too good. You know, like, they say, nigger. They grew up with us.

Like, it's like, we don't look. We never look at color or like, well, race, like we didn't look at that. We just was like,

yo, you were here with us. You're one of us. Like, you were, you, you, you ain't in the trenches.

Say what you will about 6-9, but he's like every Spanish kid you ever met in Brooklyn. And he says it every five fucking seconds. So.

I don't know nothing about that, nigga. I don't even know. I don't even like. But either way, it was, it was kind of a weird thing

to see you get canceled for. Yeah, I was canceled. for a little minute. But also, I don't think you can really cancel like a battle rapper because that audience who is mad about that doesn't really overlap with the battle rap fans at all to me.

No. And that's why I was fun. That's why I was, shit like that. I'm a person I like to antagonize a lot. Like, so I'll, like, I'll, if you watch even me do battle rep like out behind the scenes, I might be talking with a battle rapper and I might just

be going with just, to where they be like Mook is the asshole like because I do that but that's fun for me like that's that helped me get my rocks off in a way like I like to go I go down a nigga we you say one thing I'm gonna keep going I'm gonna keep going

and tell the niggas say to the nigga be like you know what man all right whatever man fuck you no you say so what you meant by that so wait so if you're saying then you then you must then you're talking about yo Mook I ain't saying no no no no no no just help me understand

Like I'm I'm that kind of person and by the time people realize like I'm really joke like playing they already didn't But that let me know out of character And that let me know what kind of person is if a person could just bring you like out of character like like like that didn't like oh Then you this kind of person then like nothing should ever bring you out of character like you know I'm saying Let's allow nobody to bring you out of your character Like no like all right cool whatever you say you know what I'm saying because that's so much of what that'll wrap is is like just having to, it's like people can just tell how uncomfortable you are. And if you show it, then that just kind of like indicates it.

No, they got them smiles that's like, to fake, them smiles where it's really, the way that. Those type of shit. Trying to figure out what to do with their hands. Yeah, like, like you, you have a slapbox and they can be slapping this. Like you, you might have been slapping the shit out of the nigger, but you're friends who you slapboxing. But you get your ass whoops, but you got to still keep it friendly.

But, you know what I'm saying? They can just like, you got that. Like, yeah, it's one of those where it's a very uncomfortable smile. And that's how I like to be, period. So what, excuse me, be being canceled, quote unquote, quote unquote. That was fun for me. I was in, where did I go after? I went to Montserrat.

I was on the island after that the next day. Like, it was like, they're like, yo, you canceled? I'm like, what? Shit. I ain't know. Here, put this lotion on my back, boo. But you were really, you were just catching strays and all that, because I'm going to be real, I ain't really heard anything about her since then.

Like, I don't really, I don't know what happened after that. I don't know if she kind of ducked off or, I don't know. I don't know. To be honest, I don't know. I didn't even bring her on the show. Oh, so you didn't even know anything about her going into that? I didn't know anything about her past or nothing. Okay.

Like, it's like she on the show. My man, Matt and Biscuit, they like, Viscuitner. I'm like, she on the show. I'm like, all right, cool, this is what I'm about to do, I guess. You know what I'm saying? Once she said she was half Puerto Rican, I said, oh, you can say nigger. Everybody's like, no, she can't. That's just way, that's you being way more on the block than on Twitter.

Hey, look, you have, if you, if you have Puerto Rican, man, well, where I'm from, Puerto Rican, like, but Van Velaidea, he told me that where he was from, Puerto Rican's can't say nigger. And I'm like, what? Fat Joe says, nigga, every minute. You won't hear. Like, that's what we, we all from, nigga. Nigger. I don't know.

That is the weird thing about it, because I feel like Fat Joe gets a past because everybody likes them and respects them. And then with her, she doesn't get that. And also, she seems like a white girl. And this was what I said. So you could seem like whatever. But so I'm saying, everybody,

so we giving out nigger. That's what I'm saying. we was giving out nigger passes then because everybody was like, no, ain't no pass, we don't care what you say. So, but if that's the case then, and isn't that?

You could say, nigga. That's your pass. You could say, nigga. I got nothing to do with that. No, but I'm saying, but it's like, we don't like you. You can't say nigger. Like, I didn't give a fuck, to be

honest, like, I, you know, I just didn't But once I figured it was once they said like it was in half of the show it was a big thing I'm like oh we're gonna start this we'll keep this going. That was it. Why shy away from that? Nigger, nigger and that's what that was. After that I wore my, you know, big afro all type of shit. You had to do some of that for a little while?

Had to. Had to. Don't kill me ladies, huh? It's like my wife is black. I got three black friends. She got her hair matching her shoes though. That's a different level. Yeah.

She got that. That's what she do. My wife dresses me. It's so easy to get dressed as a guy in comparison. Yeah, she dresses me. My hair has never matched my shoes. Oh, really? She do.

Hey, speaking to that with Drake, as I've seen it, I told Drake and with a dead serious face, because this alludes to the battle rapping becoming this arena, this big platform. I told him, I said, yo, you Drake, you the biggest artist in the one.

But I'm bigger than you in here. So you know, like, out there, you bigger. But in this fucking room, in this environment, I'm the biggest artist of this motherfucker. I told him that. Period. But I think he, he respected. But that's how I feel.

And that's how I'm always feel in battle rap. You come over here, you are a guess, you are a guess in our shit. That's it. You're not, you're not, you got to start from the, the beat, you got to start. You, you don't, you get, obviously you get some seniority because of what you've done. You know, so, like Michael Jordan. could go play baseball. You know what I'm saying?

Shit like that. People watch it. But you, you know, you're not really Michael Jordan, though. When you go play baseball. You're not Michael Jordan. You're Michael Jordan. You're Michael Jordan. That's playing baseball.

Just like, you know, there's an extent to which in battle rap, the most likable person is the most likely person to take the W. And it would appear from the last 10 or so years of his career that everybody loves this guy. I watch videos of girls talking about, yay, cheated on me. I love him. I fucking love his music. He's great, whatever. He's a very likable guy that people just, like,

like I feel like a lot of Drake punch lines that he could do that wouldn't really hit for a lot of people coming out of his mouth would have that whole fucking crowd dying. Drake has a very, a very unique way, which is fire. He has a very, I'm pretty sure he'll do a little singing and shit in there, maybe. Yeah, you know, he might do singing bars. He will wow you with his talent, with his talent. Drake is a goat to me.

I love Drake. I love his music. I don't know. I don't know how it happened. I'm, when I'm talking about, I call my man. I know,

I said, yo, Drake is the goat. I get dawned on me like, this motherfucker is the guy. He's great. But, yo, he's just super fire,

though. Like, I'm not going, I'm not holding that again. Nothing. That nigger is incredible. He's a magician. I don't know how.

He does it. But he does, he did it. And he's continuing to do it. As far as in battle rap, though, that's one thing about our culture, though. Shit, don't slip by in battle rap. I don't give a fuck who you think you is.

If you say some shit that ain't it, they'll give you the first 60 seconds to say some okay shit. And they'll give you the pass of who you are. Once you continuously say some shit that's like, Like, nah, niggas gonna be like, the chids gonna go from, yeah. Yeah. And yo, bro, is, and they're not gonna wanna do it. They gonna have to, though.

It's gonna almost, it's gonna be to the point where they like, nah, mm-mm. That's one thing about us, though. And the matter of the niggas will not, they're not letting nothing slide, bro. Give a fuck who you is. Like, now, they might be quicker to boo something I say, as opposed to something he says.

Yeah, this dynamic works against both of you, really, because it is your people in a battle rap audience. Like, those are your fans. They do want to see you win, but then I also feel like, you know, they're going to be so mesmerized by the stardom of this guy. Initially, that's what I'm telling you. Initially, they're going to be happy that Drake is battle rapping.

Then they're going to start to listen. This is going to be the process. they're going to be happy, they're going to be watching. Then they're going to start to listen. And once they begin to listen, whoever the fuck you are is out the window. It's no more. It's now, I want to hear some shit now.

You know what I'm saying? That whole, uh, me being mesmerized is, it's pretty much gone. We know you're here now, but now why the fuck are you here? And if you start,

If you say things that aren't hitting, they're going to let you know. And I really think that that's a part of the reason why a lot of them don't battle rap too. It's because getting booed. You see, getting booed is very real. And you got to know how hard it is. Think about the dynamic of what we do.

We go up there and the fans don't know what we're about to say. See, like, they do a show. The fans come to your shit because they know what song. They come into you. They want to hear this one particular song. They can't wait. They're going to sing all the fucking words with it.

They come to your show because they know what you're about to do. They want to feel that. With battle rappers, they just come in to see you. They're not coming to see. They don't know what you're about to say. They can't sing along with it. And it's quiet. So there's nothing else to distract them.

There's no music. There's no sonically. No way sonic. to distract to, yeah, to make them become a zombie. That's it. Soon as it's time for you to go,

that's it. The one thing in our culture, this is what people never do. You never like stop looking on your phone and just pay attention to a couple of people on stage. Like, you know, like, on the other side of what you're saying about like when people go to see a big artist perform and they're like, you know, they already know all these songs,

if you are a new artist, it's almost impossible to get people that give a fuck about you performing even if you're amazing. You come out there performing songs they never heard. Your first show is never going well. Yeah, absolutely. I watched, shout out the OT Genesis. We weren't in a...

I heard you saw him and AD almost getting in a fight. AD wanted me to ask you about this so bad. Oh, this d. Ad is crazy. Oh, shit. Hey, yo, AD is wow, yo. Yo, him and AD. I like, that's, all right, we can talk about that. Hold on a second.

You read the O.T. Yeah. Wow. Okay. They're not wanting to hear that story. Yeah. So, good for it in my shit. But we were in Live, and this was right before Cut It came out.

And he performed Cuttie. Now, mind you, he had. I'm in love he had that but then that was that so now it was your second one so everybody going crazy with I man love

then cut it came on motherfuckers was like because they couldn't sing they couldn't sing along with it so they're trying to figure out what the fuck is this is this good is it not

is it so he doing it cut it nobody's going it's regular but he's still doing he's still going still doing this shit I want to say

a month and a half later the whole Miami going crazy to cut it cut it the same shit y'all didn't know like so that that's kind of like a let you know like motherfuckers just like familiarity is plays a big part in it too so battle rap

to where we are you not familiar all you were familiar way is the the artist you come so they actually like with you they like the shit you say even though they don't know what you are about to say.

But you, so to be able to get people's attention for that long, with no music, to not even know what you're about to say, like, if you see a battle rapper and just, they stop rap, do you, can you imagine what it look like if they just stop rapping in the middle of the rap and just look and just everybody just chill? You know how uncomfortable that shit probably would be? You know what I'm saying? Like to just, so, like, that's a hard thing.

Now, to AD and OT, LA niggas is different. That's why I didn't understand. Listen, they both crips and shit. I didn't know anything about Crip. How I know, all I know is these niggas is friends and shit. And, uh, drunken brothers. Drunken brothers.

They run around this city, drunk as hell, dancing around, wrestling, puking. Put each other in the headlock and shit. So we end this crib. crib this crib got to be like a billion dollar house it's mad shit this like we're in the crib we in the

basement doing karaoke and shit it's women around it's bad liquor this motherfucker got Louis the 13 like it's like it's waters and I'm saying we drink it's a bunch of shit

and then all of a sudden I just see uh I just see both of them like like hey come what you say you say to him come and they're like what you're what you're talking about they're like nigger from my block kill phil ain't niggins from and i'm like what the fuck all these street names you never heard of yeah mad that but i'm just talking about nigger talking about oh you're trying to play me cuck niggins you won't be

niggins but they i'm like ain't y'all niggins brothers like and they like what nigger what you crazy i'm like i'm niggum what though i'm like yo bro This shit is some, it was hilarious, but also he like, man, you know what? Man, I'm out, because I'm like, ain't nobody out. I don't. I, now while I'm out, ain't none of, ain't, uh, uh, ain't nobody leaving. We, we all staying here. And what's you talking about?

You ain't going to be out. Because if you be out, I don't know what you being out for. Like, you being out. I don't care. This is your man. This ain't my man or neither one of that. So, nigger be out. If y'all ready to kill each, I don't know what a nid.

I know, niggas. You know what I'm saying? And I'm here with y'all niggas. No way in America. So, you know, we finally got it to where they were back cool, like, peaceful again with each other and shit. But I can't say the reason on why, but I respect it. I respect both of them, you know what I'm saying? But, you know, I can't say the reason, actually.

I can't say the reason. It was about Biggie and Tupac, deaf and not me being from New York, not knowing how I could feel about Biggie dying over here type shit. So, O.G. is just like, like, niggas can't just be saying that, but it's like, it's not a thing. but I guess the way the culture is over here, shit like that is a thing.

Like, nigga, I don't care if a nigga from somewhere else, like, in a nigga my company or a nigga company, like, you kid, like, a nigga might feel away about that. You know what I'm saying? Even though, you know, I don't, it wasn't, it's not, it wasn't that on my, on our end. But, you know, I can, I get where it is that. they come from too but we don't grow up that way

you know I mean we don't grow up that way that's interesting you always thought L.A. was not necessarily it was always a place that seemed kind of dangerous because to be honest the pop smoke thing makes that dynamic seem crazy as fuck all of a sudden because he came to L.A. Well no we just knew that you know

no we I mean we know L.A. biggest grow up in gangs we don't grow up in game you know what I'm saying like you get you get just joining the game, but we don't, we don't, our diapers ain't blue or red. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Niggas are babies and this is just what they know.

I mean, you've been around long enough to see the game thing infiltrate. Right. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, they started from in the 90s, but it come from hair, it don't come from. So, we thought the diplomats were crazy. What? Because that was like, kind of like the first New York rappers that you really saw

banging crazy in videos and shit, right? No, but nah, but nah, they, it was it was it was gangs way before then right but yeah that was that like that was just the first that Crip came along later to like in New York it was a lot of blood and then Crip start now Crip is big and shit in like in New York but you know I don't know that because I'm not a gang banger I'm not a gang member I just know a lot of people that are and and that's good I respect their culture and whatever they do I'm just a I'm a man I'm just a human being.

I don't, I don't, you know, so I don't speak on shit that I really don't know. You feel me? Like, just like, I don't care what type of nigger a nigger is. Like, just don't speak on shit you don't know with me. You know what I mean? That's it. I don't care what it is.

I keep my mouth shut, niggas. I mind your business about shit you don't know. That's where it be having a lot of people just getting shit that they don't got. That's not even their business. And you would die for somebody else's business. Just because you just said something thinking,

trying to be cool. You don't said the wrong shit, to be cool within niggas that ain't really that you don't know what you're saying you feel me you might have some you might like our humor in in new york is way different than la humor you know what i mean so we might be thinking we doing some funny shit and they might think we doing some funny shit hmm know what i'm saying definitely definitely some stuff that plays different out here for sure absolutely like you know what i learned about l a lady is they love a girl real like we love our girl

but we told we won't kill you over our girl like real shit LA niggas will kill you over their girl right period we New York we like we got this thing where it's like we gotta kind of fake be like on some

pimp shit like like man fuck that bitch LA nigga you talk to a nigga bitch like even talk to a nigga bitch nigga nigga kill you for talking to his bitch right like damn she pretty like I didn't even know she was with you there was a there was a story there was a story that came out on the news about this girl who got killed, right?

And I brought it up to somebody I know who's like in the streets. And I was like, yo, you hear about that one chick and killed at this spot that we've been before? That shit is crazy. And he was like, yeah, but she was fucking with the ops. And I was like, what do you mean? He's like, well, she was with this crew and then she fucking, they broke up and she started hanging out with this game. Oh, well, I mean,

that's a little bit different. And I was just like... That's a little bit different. But it was just like, this was not anything out of the ordinary. And I was just, I was shocked by how Blase he made it sound. That was, yeah, that I mean, you know, we just... Might be a different example than what you were talking about. Yeah, that's a way different.

I was still a shock, yeah. I was fucking with the opposite. That's like trading. You're a traitor. But I'm talking about just like if a chick is outside and she with a nigga and you'd be like, what's good by da-da-da-da-da-nig like, you're talking to my girl. Shit like that. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. Well, New York City is such a culture of men relentlessly harassing women on the street. It's so normal in Manhattan. I've known so many girls that move. there for college. Hey, my, was good, Ma.

And they're mentally scarred through that experience of just having every dude holler out of. Nah, no, facts.

Well, we look by a nigga, you know, a nigga, if you don't want my bitch, I don't want him, man.

You know what I'm saying? My bitch, like, a nigga, you better holler at my bitch. Like, because if a nigga

don't try to holler at a nigga that, what the fuck I need for? But if he hollers at her in front of you, then that is like

the ultimate disrespect, do you think? No, that's disrespect if no I'm not even saying Oh so you're saying when you're not even that. Yeah I'm saying when a nigga like could be down the street Like a nigga run back to you like you Like you try to holler at my girl like

Like you're not supposed to do like Hollada bitch. That's what I'm saying I'm not saying like if she With you. Right okay no hell no If you see me with her Like you know what I'm saying we're holding hands And the niggas just like yo that's that's That's disrespectful you might as well spit in your face

That's disrespectful to you yeah I'm talking about like If she's somewhere and not even you around and shit that you try to holler like, you know what I mean? Okay, assuming that you are not going to battle Drake for your next battle. Yeah.

Who do you feel like you really have as opponents at this point? Well, I have a battle actually that they just announced dude named Reed Dollars. Right. You're familiar? No. He's from Philly. He's like a...

He a legend too. And he came up in the times that, you know, we came up as far as on the DVD tip. but he was doing the Philly using the Philly circuit and we always would cross paths as far as that

as far as New York and Philadelphia who's better shit like that so we were supposed to battle a while a while ago and Corona no no no I'm talking about a while ago like 2007

8 like it was that long ago wow you know what I mean and some things happened we didn't get the battle. But he's a really big name. So finally, it just got booked. So on, my next battle, gonna be Summer Madness in September on URLs.

Okay. So I'm battling to read dollars, then. And that's gonna be that battle. You got any, like, big dreams after that? Anybody in particular that just seems like that's the one? because I mean there has to be a day a day when you chill and don't battle anymore right when all the money run out

oh okay so you'd be happy doing this until 58 if it was Of course like what my brain ain't I mean that'd be pretty gangster too you know Yeah no I mean that's the difference between this And basketball because basketball you know physically you you but mentally You will always become sharper so

The fuck who said I can't like what I'm battle Wrepping until If you and Lux were like 60 battling each other That's what we said we were That's going to be our third one. We said we're going to be like 65. But that would be the coolest shit.

That would be the greatest. Beards and shit. That'll be our third battle. One of you got a walker? Huh? One of you got like a walker? Yo, something. Something.

But I think that's, you know, I told that thing. Like, that'll be our last shit. That'll be our final one when we, when we elderly. Should we get Lux to step on camera for a moment? Yeah, man, because I'm hot. I just would like to just to hear a word or two. What do you have to say about, uh, Can uh, Lori, we want to grab the mic or is it this mic?

Looks. Yeah. You just heard that whole interview. You got anything that feels important for you to say right now. I know you got some opinions about what you just heard. Uh, it's actually, it's actually a straight good interview. I'm really enjoying it. Okay.

Good enough. Solid. No lies told. Right. Yeah. Do you think Drake should battle murder moot? I think he should I think he should

No but not if he don't mean it You know I don't do no favors But if he do it, do it And I know he's somebody that Get busy You know Good penmanship

I mean when When you say should You can't talk dirty I'm just asking You mean should for like this culture or should for himself it's different. It has to be for the culture.

Okay, then he should. Because, I mean, he's already got whatever he needs, you know. And then he should. It's not a lot. It's kind of hard to imagine what else. This he could accomplish, but he hasn't already accomplished. This got to be a thorn in his side.

This is the last thing. This, you can never rest until you battle murder. Wow. You can never rest. It's never going to be. going away like never going away you got got every plaque accomplishment in the world but this is the this is it this is it so some point at some point because Drake is still very much young a young man so we maybe

45 years down the line but at some point we have to we have to do this this has happen. His legacy is like not cemented. It won't be. And only because it came up. Only because it came up. Why keep doing it? Only because, no, I'm saying like

if this, if this picture never happened, he would have been, he would have been good. But this picture happened in the willingness of it happening. So even to a person like him, I believe. Even to him because when he told, he, he, he the one who said to me,

yo, just so you know, the other day, like, yo, I was really going bad. So when he said that, I know he, he, it eats him. Here's an important question, though. Why do you think he posted that on his Instagram? That, like, why? Because he could have easily had that conversation with you and not posting anything about it. And then maybe you would have mentioned it on an interview and people would be like, I guess I believe him, but he didn't have to post that picture.

Absolutely not. It kind of felt like that was his concession prize. Like, I'm not going to battle you, but I'm going to make you get mad followers for a while at least. Yeah, I guess, but no, because I'm not a nigga that give a fuck about that. To be all the way honest. Do a record with me. That's the concession prize. That's a good idea.

Let me get a record, Trey. I know you watch this. Let me get a record and then, you know, because I've hit him like, I need a, help me get a number one hit. That help a battle rap, man, make a number one hit, get a number one hit. That's what you do. Those are two things. That's the two things.

That he could do. You could either battle me or be the only motherfucker to help a battle rapper get a number one hit. Me. I love that. That's a good coach, huh?

Because you do that. If he do that, he could front on everybody. Yeah. He confront. What about a track? Like, look what I did. This is how, look what I... What about if you kind of battled each other on that track?

Like, if you kind of were both lyrical, miracle, going crazy type song. Now, that's where we have an issue. I'm going to tell you this, because I'm not dumb. I would never waste no record with Drake. Rapping your ass off? No. No. I'm going to be like, Drake, so how I do it?

How do I do this? 27 do so my house again. How do I do it? Tell me. Fuck you mean. You've done this mad times. I'm in your world, nigga. I'm in your world, nigga.

I'm in your world. I'm not. On your block. I don't have two. No, I have no pride. Right. Nigel. If that means this, oh, absolutely.

How do I tell me? That's it. I'm going to follow it. Hook line and sink. Guarantee, you're just not going to write these raps. That's it. The hook and everything, the melody. good, just not going to write these rats.

That's all. I like that. I like that. What about the M&M prospect? You have any thoughts on that? You think he would ever do it or you think that he's being a little too ambitious? No, M would do it. No, M. Oh, with M do it? I think M would. I think good window of opportunity.

And I mean, just like for him really, like, putting his mind to it, you know what I mean? Because I know he got things going on. But M is one of them guys that's about it. Like as far as the culture, he come up doing that. You know what I'm saying? So this ain't, it ain't far removed. M and Drake versus YouTube. M is so, that's not going to fit that.

That's not, doubles battle. That'd be fun. M is so, M is so in tune, though, and respectful. Like, you know that the total slaughtered thing that we did, and we had a show and everything. That was, what was that, 2000? 14.

Round 14. It was lit, right? We had a show. Dr. Dre, M&M. We was out of here, first of all. Yeah. That's great. Here's where battle rappers

fuck the game up because it's a lot of cut their nose despite their face. Like, they got so, you know, when you're just too proud where you just cut off every opportunity, don't even know what you're doing. That's battle.

That's the part I'm trying to get to be going from existence out of the culture of battle rep, which is being so insulated that you die from being overheated. We all we do is cut off every outlet of any part of the bridge that we do. We cut it off because we, for a fair maybe of being infiltrated, so we don't let nothing. We don't reach out no olive branches and then it's like shunned upon. So whenever we go do something like this,

this platform is not battle rap oriented. Right? So we go do something that's not, but all of the people that watch, all the millions of people watch you, now they tap into battle rap, but it's like, they'll say, we don't want.

We don't. Fuck that. We don't, they wasn't rocking with us before. We don't want that. Like, they feel like everything is to steal battle rap and, and so they get,

like, they make other battle rappers not want to become successful, so to speak, because it's like, they'll shun them, like, you know,

like the camaraderie, you know what I mean? They take what's going on inside the ring and think they got to be like that all the time. You know what I mean? I feel this point is the love connection is about the collective. You know what I mean? So at times, people will do that, though.

I got to crack with you. We go at each other here. I got to, you know, do you make that up in your mind until you live with it to the point where you forget it's almost like, this is a sport, you know? It's just a sport. But outside of that, everybody, you know, involved in this is for the collective,

it's for this culture. So sometimes, you know what I mean? I don't know, it'd be those little gripes where you can't give somebody they grapes, you know what I mean, so to speak. But, you know, I don't know what he mean in that regard. It's just the competitiveness. That competitiveness that does that.

But I think more and more... They don't make it right, though. Of course it don't. Of course it don't. But, you know, a growth process. It's a growth process. That's why he don't ever want to say, they fucked us over. Eminem, Dr. Dre, was fully invested

in doing... We had a television show. They was invested Because in battle rap culture They like yo this shit got to go to the next Next level Eminem actually Uh

Had him in Dr. Dre Him and Dr. Dre. Him and Dr. fucking Dre. No else. They never take a hell. Never, they never took a ad Like so I'm like Nigel we

The culture goes in Yo what they're doing They're coming in They're trying to make this into a spectacle. First of all, yeah. Yeah, they're going to do that. That's the point. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you love martial arts, you should love the

UFC because they turn this into the kind of spectacle that you can fuck, that millions of people want to watch. Right, right, right, right. It might not be what you're doing in your motherfucking dojo. Right. This is the version. This is the one, you know, the motherfucking, the one, that one master in the dojo

right, that, that, that, you know, one of them that nebble. want to go on the outside because they feel like your technique is off and that shit is not what this is even though what this shit is ain't doing nothing. But why do you

think the fans were able to, you blame the fans? Because they're not working specifically? No, the fan, I blame the battle rappers, then the leagues that banned against it and then the fans for being gullible enough because they was fucking with it initially.

Then all of a sudden they see the battle rappers and the leagues and then they like, you know what? Yeah, you're right, man. This ain't right. We're supposed to be sitting here. It's supposed to look like this. What? We're supposed to look like we two, two niggas arguing, two black hood street niggas just sitting here arguing with niggas behind them. So when all the money really supposed to come, they're like, dude niggas just look like they argue it. We ain't gonna get anything can break out at this point. We ain't giving these niggas though millions of dollars. Like, you understand? Looking at it is a big thing. So the way they set it up for us. The shit was amazing. We was off to the races with the look, everything. The lead up. All that. And Eminem and Dr. Trey was involved.

That was all I'm saying. They scared them away. So only now be right way to fuck. We just. Go to spend the block. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's like we could have been did it.

But Eminem, that's go. I'm sorry. That goes back to him saying. M is. So what M does is M don't say fuck them. M says, oh shit. This is the kind of person. M is, oh, shit.

My fault, y'all. I don't want no smoke. I don't want to, I'm sorry. I don't want to even dishe. I come in into y'all shit. I don't want disrespect. Nothing. My fault, yo.

I'm going to fall back. Not I'm going to fall back like, fuck y'all. I'm going to fall back like, damn. He felt bad. Like he is fucking up some shit. That's crazy. So he just backed up like, damn, I don't want to intervene. or nothing. You know what I'm saying?

I mean, it's hard for the battle rap fans. I think, like, the younger ones in particular, maybe to understand. But if you want something to be truly huge, you need corporations to dump money into promoting it. And you have to then accept at some point that the money being made in terms of this profession or this culture is just going to go to various corporations at a certain point that you might not love the idea of them being the ones who cake off it. But it has to be that way at some point for them to really make it.

for them to really make it huge, you know? Right. But there's a whole fuckload of battle rappers that are gonna make a shitload of money along the way. And the most important thing is the main problem that BattleRab has

is just visibility. It needs to be put into a context where the average fucking 15-year-old kid who likes watching shit on YouTube or will tune into a pay-per-view, whatever, he has to be, there has to be big names involved because it has to be just put in front of people's eyes

because these kids will fall in love with it. How many kids got into BattleRap through 8-mile? Probably a... Exactly. Exactly. It doesn't get enough pop culture looks. And that's the main thing that will hold it back until it really, you know? And it's not, it's really not it.

It's, it's us. And I put my group myself in there by default. But it's us as the, as the culture of we are so battle rap oriented. We are, it become battle rappers in life. Like they they everything is competition to where it turns into I'm not going to let that person get up even if it mean me getting up. You know what I'm saying? Like I'm not going to be on. I'm not going to hold on his leg to get up to another level.

Fuck that. I'm not doing that. Even though one at an end point we all getting out this damn barrel or whatever. But nigger will break the chain just to just just just you know what I'm. I mean, just to not look like he helped like you was the person. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's like, it's a big, it's a lot of ego going on in that. A lot of ego. That's the same thing that you'll see happening. Every neighborhood or every hood in America, every city, you know, somebody starts coming up and then all of a sudden someone wants to kill him. And, I mean, Battle Rap God does the same exact thing. Yeah, it's tough. Yeah.

I got attacked in a battle for, for not putting people on a podcast like for saying oh yeah for saying

like like yo you you're you rap you you don't fuck with us really you go and try to do other things and stay and not battle rap

I'm like I don't just battle rap no of course I'm not going to just battle rap fuck no But the way they're pumping is you have to just battle rap. That's it. Or you're not for us. That's how I got to attack. And it worked on the degree of battle rap.

It's like almost like crabbing the barrel mentality to where you got to stay over here. Or because if you go over there, we don't trust you. And at a point, you got to learn when to say, well, fuck y'all, niggas. just until everybody get it though you know what I'm saying I'll clean it up it's what's been done I'm just

that's me politics yeah yeah yeah yeah he's trying to say he's slightly more enlightened than you go yeah absolutely maybe a lot

he brings me back every time what Mook is really saying is no man you know he's trying to pinch me yeah

yo You can't pinch the homie in the interview. Yo, did not. Yo, because his love and his passion for it, you know what I mean? He just, I'm like, what we know? We got to, like, you got to, like, games watching. But you catch a beef fast with a honey than vinegar. Yeah, man.

You know what I'm saying? I never call people with something. I don't know. I'll take. That's what I was saying. We go through, I mean, you know. Yeah. My God. And it's crazy.

Is we just in the business of communication. you know what I mean delivery you know what I mean so how do you you feed people you know what I'm saying just so they can you know eat themselves on a regular so in that is you don't want to sting them you don't want to let somebody just like all right you're talking to me crazy all right so then they're not even hearing the message it's more sort of the energy you giving off you know what I'm saying for sure but I think it's very important that everybody does the knowledge because everybody has the same goals is going out of different ways, you know what I'm saying?

But we want the same things. And it's for the sport, the culture to flourish, continue to flourish. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, sometimes those, that energy it put us in a space where we're not all coming together to think about how can we continue

to make these things happen. And, you know, it's just a small thing to giants. But it's like, and you, that's what you say. I'm, me and different on philosophies on that. I'm more so. If you're rising tide Rays or boats in the ocean

If you're in the fucking water You're going You're gonna I'm not an ain't for me To come back to the dock And say Look nigga I helped you both

Nah If you don't see If you don't see it That you don't see it And it's so good It's you know what That's how But I've grown to feel

Like that way Because I've got My skin It became And it's good though Because of you use it So tough With my skin

Because of that He didn't have To Lutz didn't have to Dillin with a lot of that part that came to me. Lux is like

like, um, Lux's Batman and I'm like the Joker. You know what I'm saying? He's like, it's like in the Gotham of the city and the people. It's like so Batman, it's like he don't have to deal with it. Even though motherfuckers love the Joker.

You know what I'm saying? Motherfuck I love the Joker, but it's like he's still a Joker. So it's kind of like one of those cases I always got to be we always talk about that

yeah I gotta be the motherfucker that's to look like that or be the asshole kind of but I take the blunt of it which is cool for me because did we not on our

the summer madness on right the money being made yeah again because after then you was able to Right, right, right, right. And that helped everybody.

But just not to take away from your point, though. Some people need to hear it the way you give it up. You understand? Some people are receptive in that light. They need to, well, you know what I mean? Well, fuck you. And they may stand at attention in that space. Because they, you know, they know that energy.

You know, you gotta speak the language. You know what I'm saying? So it's the same thing you give it to people different ways. but it's who can, you know, hear the message. That's what it's about. At the end of the day, it's the message that's wrapped in it. You know what I'm saying?

And I just know it's going to depend on balance with all things, you know what I'm saying? We do. I just don't want to get lost. I don't want to make everybody else rich trying to fucking, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't want everybody else to be the people who benefit

because we're trying to keep the integrity and trying to get people to receive the message that everybody else is getting fucking rich, And we're ones that's, we like, no disrespect, but we like, you know, like KRS 1 and Big Daddy Kane and them niggas to where, you know, you got motherfuckers out here making these records, getting all these bread. But the motherfuckers that really should get all the money or really should be. Too early.

We just the ones that's like, well, at least we made the way. I fuck that. Nah. Uh-uh. Don't talk about me making paving the way. Because, okay. On one. Nobody care about you being a legend and all that when you do.

Yeah, right. If you got playing in the NBA, you should be happy as hell to be getting a couple million dollars a year to play in the NBA. But if you're in the position where you could maybe potentially start the team and own the team, own part of the team, I mean, anybody who really knows about business, knows that that is an unbelievable opportunity. And any one of you guys has to kind of be in that position where you're like, all right, I could just get a big-ass bag doing this.

But is there a way for me to really like, or for us to really own it? But then at the end of the day, is there an us for a battle rap? I mean, is there a collective? Not really, right? It is. You're looking at two of them?

But from a business point perspective, it's like how does everyone, all these battle rap people who have been doing this shit for 20 years, how do they all kind of own part of this thing, you know? And that's the point I'm getting that. Definitely some need to. own part of it, you know, for sure. Like, but I mean, it's kind of hard to imagine

not from a business perspective that really works, you know? I mean, but it's not about owning the art form as much as you, about you capitalizing on you as an entity inside of the art form. I think everybody who participates in the sport, you're out there in front of millions and millions of people that tune into your work, you know what I'm saying? If you are fortunate enough to, you know, perform well

and be one of the ones that people tune into. And that space right there, you know what I'm saying? It's for you to go out here and expound on your opportunities and do that to the best. Nobody's in nobody's way. Anybody's way, excuse me. You know what I'm saying? We just feel, you know, it's about seeing each other.

Like, we're in the same fight. You know what I mean? And then recognizing that. And if you can help, you know what I'm saying? We'll say, ros and ties and ties, all boats. You know what I'm saying? Like, rise. So, like, you know what I mean?

It's just that part. But nobody's in anybody. way when you really look at it, you know what I'm saying? But as far as, you know, trying to own the art form, no, I just feel like you make sure you do your thing. You know what I'm saying? And we talked about this. There's nothing as far as being successful that anybody who can't, if they have a vision, can't put in the time, energy, work, effort to make that manifest and bring it into reality.

So nobody's in anybody's way in that regard. I don't see that. but we do need to start you know what I'm saying you know taking the consideration like yo own what you do

right outright you know what I'm saying because you know there's a lot of spaces with you know leagues in their relationships you know what the artists in it you know that's arbitrary you know

that's how you handle it that's how you handle it that's why it's happening that's why we become the bad guys yeah because I I've been pumping that forever.

You're not going to hold me, bro. You ain't going to hold me. Nigger, you're crazy. They come to see me. They don't come. They come. I'm overcharging for what they did to the carcress. I said that, man.

Period. We know how this go. Like, they don't got to pay lux the money. They pay them more than me. If they didn't, if they didn't want, trust me, nigga. They wouldn't be paying us. They wouldn't do it. Like, it's not like they do it because they like,

fuck it. They put in work, so let's just get them this brave. If they could not pay, niggas? Compare it to the UFC where the UFC is the show, and you're going to show up and you're going to watch the fighters that they got because you assume they got the best fighters. Do those fighters get to name their price? Hell the fuck. No, they get to pay like $10,000 to go and fucking fight like they're trying to kill the other dude because they don't have that. Whereas boxing is a little different because you could pick and choose the league.

You could put on your own fight basically if you have enough of a draw. And that's kind of almost more like where battle rats are at because you got all these computers. competing leagues competing for talent and you know that that alone just makes it very uh let's see what the league don't understand and maybe people i don't want to say like you but i'm talking about from the outside looking in right you always may say well why they they don't just go do they own like we we understand fully to the leagues out there and everything we understand fully that we could go do our own shit.

Like, so just so they know that, like, I hope they never thought that we didn't know that. That's why they have to pay you so much. Right. So, I'm just saying, like, because you brought that up, made a good point. Like, I hope they don't know that they could go and put start. No, we know that.

No, we definitely know that. But I'm, so when I'm doing is accumulating favors, right? Because I'm doing y'all niggas a favor by, because if you, you know what? Oh, I'll just go bad at this I just say, you know what? Let me just make my own shit right quick

and go battle this niggas. But I choose to be on your shit. I'm going to cash in later on those. I'm going to cash in later on that favor. Because you know what? You're not going to lose money when you book me. Even whatever you book me for, you're going to make money back still.

So I could just take all the money. Right? Or we could do business. You got a block. I got product. No problem. It's easy for you because all you got to do is show up. You know, in comparison to owning the whole thing where you might have more money

at long term, but at least for now, there is a lot of value. But also, no, because if a league, I'm still putting equity into your league because murder move being on your league, whatever people follow your league after that, you know about your league, right? I could never battle again on your league, but now people know about your league. You build equity in it. I don't own any piece of your league, though. I'm not an owner of your league.

I may be owner of my content. I may be owner, but it's all in all, I should own piece of your league because if I'm bringing, if I'm bringing people to watch, to bringing you new, new, what the interest. Interesting.

Yeah, the entry, I'm drawing a blank. But just people that's watching your league and I bring you, New eyes, more eyes, more interest into your league, right? From my brand. Now they know you forever and they watch. I'm not on your league forever now. I only did one time. I only battle in your league one time.

But now they become a fan of your league. That's how to go. I don't deserve any ownership. I don't deserve any ownership of that. I'm pretty sure I should. but that's a lot of times with artists and new artists and record labels and shit. So however your deal is, if you're a new artist and I'm a record label established and I build you up, you have talent. Don't get me wrong.

Your talent is beautiful. But I'm the person that made, I built you up for the people, the world to recognize your talent. I gave you a platform for the world to recognize your talent. So, and then you could just leave my record label after I did all of that. And then nothing for me, how does that make sense for them? If I'm the reason that your talent got discovered by people. And that argument happens in rap like once a year, like on a public scale, you know? Absolutely. Absolutely.

Because a lot of artists can't see what the label did. because to them it seems like oh I have a hugely popular song it's like no the label paid out like half a million dollars for people to make TikToks to your song this year and all this other shit you know yeah

you know that's a that's gonna be an ongoing thing but I think that's for I mean that's make that makes it great for the climate of the business because for a person that's innovative that's innovating

I can always I could always come with another idea. Like, especially if my numbers translate, I can always come with another idea and say, well, you know, this is going to work. Why? Because I said it's going to work.

You can't tell, how are you going to tell me? How are you going to tell me it's not going to work? Oh, really? It's not going to work? Well, I bet. We jumping into that. We jumping into real, I don't want to say business because that's like, you know,

that's for lack of a way, that lack of a better term. But now we're jumping into that world for real. This is our industry. The battle rep industry is really. jumping into that world. We are at the cusp. Right now at the crossroads of that world,

they are coming. Like, they don't understand they're coming right now. Like this. Drake, Drake, just being there doing, that's at, they coming now. Now, you know, are you going to be prepared to hold down

integrity of it? If this is a kingdom, no, if this is a land with many kingdoms, are you going to be prepared in the Game of Thrones are you going to be on Winterfeld or are you going to be where are you going to be

are you going to hold it down are you going to make sure these motherfuckers are the battle rap fans the guys up at the wall I'm so sorry no no you know the white walkers is

the all of the league in the niggas that's coming in the white walkers is on the way Silicon Valley is coming from up above yeah and we need the battle rap fans, okay, it is a good example, because they got to be posted up at the wall to fight them up.

Absolutely. But let's be fair, it's not a fair fight because Silicon Valley starts throwing money at it, the walls, and that is what happened, right? Integrity. Damn, we just figured this whole thing? We figured it, think about it. That's what, see? I'm so glad that we all watched it.

It's so crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout to the Game of Thrones. Thank you to my girlfriend for making me watch it. Right. Game of Thrones. It brings everything into perspective. If you think about life, Game of Thrones is like the template for life.

Fire. And everything. If you really think about it, I swear to you, it makes the most sense. Everything. Who got the dragons? Came in. Come on. You got the dragons?

Yeah. What do you mean? What do you mean? These bars are the dragons? Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely.

But, you know, we, we, we have. The what's her name we have surcese sir she and that was the blonde one no that's my baby denarius then we have sir I'm talking about the bad part we have surcees in the form of men and and jerseys is is she's she is the king's land and she's the land and she's the short-haired the evil ass bitch. Oh, man. This is so good.

Me and Currency talked about the office for like a half hour the other day. It's slowly becoming like rappers talking about TV. Yeah, because Kingslanden is,

is. Yeah, look at this. The battle rap, Kingslanding. Kingslanding. A leeks. It's the leaks.

I see. Yeah. It's the leagues. We just saw. He went in a politic mode. I got the dragons. Absolutely. I got the dragons.

You went in the politics. No, facts. I see you ain't want to give it up. Yeah, you ain't want to give it up. I see you. Bother than that. We don't do that. I got, you know, I definitely got my shit down here.

Plug him up. Plug him up. Plug it hard because we've got another interview that's about to happen. Oh, pause. Plug it hard. That's free. I want to ask you this too.

Do you ever, you have any good Brian Puppers stories him back in the day. Brian Pumper stories? I know you crossed the password. Oh, I mean, not no stories above of us interact.

I just knew his shit was fake all the time. I always knew his jury was fake. There was a video on Mano clown and his chain in the club and then he's later on in the club. He's getting a handjob from some bitch. There's like the funniest fucking clip ever, bro. Yeah, no, his joke.

We always knew his jewels was fake, but that was like... You got to go to like 2009 World Star to see this video, but it's like a club in Queens. You know Brian Pumper is? Hey, the fours, though. Oh, all right, I'll just make sure,

go check out my video about him if you want to learn more. Yeah. Hey, touch, what we got going on here? Hey, murder MOOC, legendary interview. Shout out loaded Lux for tapping in. Shout out great for choosing to battle murder MOOC in the near future. Yes, shout out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Shout out, we still got to have you back, bro. Shout out you guys. My pleasure, bro. It was an honor, honestly. You guys, two legends. No, bro. Absolute legends. Know it.

I don't know why you did this with the mic. I know, right? Come here, touch. I want a shout out. Me and my motherfucking business partner. Hey, I'm going to tell you this. No, this is real shit. I got to take a piss.

I'm going to let you close it out. Power White's score game. The best critical captain Strand. On the back of the bag, you got the tag. Score Mary Mary Huey. So you're going to hear about it. Touch for the bugs. Well, shit you're hearing about it right now.

What is you're talking about? Yeah, see me on drinks. Yeah, see you. I was about to say. Well, Well, me and Rex did drink jams. I'm making my rounds. My brothers, we here all day.

We're going legitimate. That way. Shout out the No Jumper. Thanks for having us, man. Check out the drip, too. Yes, sir. Don't forget to drink.