No Jumper - The Necro Interview: Being Blackballed, Becoming an Underground Legend, N Word & More

Episode Date: October 13, 2022

Adam finally linked up with Necro while in New York. Necro had a lot to share about Vlad, Akademiks, AllHipHop, Bambaataa, Vanilla Ice and more! --- Recorded at WTF Media www.wtfmediastudios.com  NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper coolest podcast on the world. This is a fan. One question before we start. Okay, here we go. No, because it'll be important. Right. No cursing or anything like that? No, you could go crazy.

Can be said? That's what I'm saying. I want to make sure. Maybe not in the first five or ten minutes. It would be great. Okay. But in the later hours of this podcast, if you want to drop some F bombs, I'm all about it. We're going to edit that one out.

Okay. Necro is in the building. What up? It's an honor to be here. Thank you, my friend. I'm excited to have you here, man. I'm the last dude. It's ever done this.

Yeah? And the new, kind of, right? The last? How many years are you doing it? Oh, I'm in seven years or something? I'm the seventh. I like that actually because seven, seven, seven, seven.

I don't know. How have you managed to avoid doing interviews so much over the years? Because, like, you seem like you're so, you're such a great guest. I watched you on some random ass, like, Zoom interviews and stuff. You've been requested so many times over the years by me. I feel like you're like such an underground legend that so many people are curious about. I'm surprised you hadn't. I couldn't believe it when.

I type, Necro Vlad TV. No, but you were on it back in the day. I can tell you about Vlad if you want to know shit about Vlad. Sure, let's start there. You want to stop? God, Vlad hates me. He does. Why? Because I threatened to beat the shit out of him once.

Why did you do that? Because remember back in the day when Eminem drops forgot about Dre? Yeah. Nowadays, everybody wants to talk. They got something da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. So that was around the time. Listen, I don't want Vlad just, I'm going to get shitted on right now, but I don't want Vlad to think I started to shit on him organically.

We're shitting on you right now. Vlad is my boy. Okay. So, Vlad, listen, this is just for history. Vlad, historical purposes. We're gonna rehab- We're organically shitting on you right now because we're telling the truth.

Right. Here's the thing. I don't think Vlad'll take it too serious. If the truth, he don't give a fuck. No. If the truth shits on you, which's the truth, you can't be mad at it. Right.

So, um, this was around the time he was doing those biggie mix CDs. Oh, so. Nobody really knew him. It was before Vlad TV. Right. He just won the awards where the source was like the, he was doing bullshit remixes of other people shit.

Right. Nothing that I thought was original. Okay. And at the time, when I was talking with Vlad, I don't know how we became friends, but he was trying to, I thought he was trying to bomb with me on some Jewish shit because he's Russian, I'm Jewish, da, blah.

I'm like, all right, you know, whatever. Like, I'll be cool with you, you know what I mean? And so I noticed at the time he was really on my brother's dick. Like, you know, you know when you talk to somebody and they're constantly mentioning another man? Okay. Instead of focusing on your business. So that started annoying me first.

Do you just trying to get through to your brother? Maybe. Like, you know, I really like non-fiction. I'm like, yo, but B, I'm talking to you right now. Let's talk about necro shit. What can we do to help the necro brand? Right. So anyway, forgot about Drake comes out. Everybody's doing mixed CDs now. 50 Cent is dropping them. This is 2003, My Space Time. So I wrap over Murder Your Life. I do a song called Murder Your Life over the beat. Stabbing your face with a butcher knife that's really long to make you feel the song when I beat you down to it. Don't care if I appear wrong. kid, I'll do it. I represent the death rap. I'm rapping brutal. Right. More brutal than Eminem. I get a million fucking plays on MySpace for this mix CD track. Right. I try to get Vlad, I send it to Vlad. Vlad's like, nah, not feeling it. Eminem did it better. I'm like, you motherfucker. Remember, back then at this time, if you dissed me, I was going to punch you in your face when I see you in person. Okay. Because this is that time. I'm coming up.

I'm only, you know what I mean? I dropped any drugs in 2000. Right. I'm insulted now because this shit is popping. So I'm like, you've got to be hating. Right. And you're on M's dick. Because you're saying my shit ain't as good as M's,

but all my fan base is like you body them on his own shit. Right. You got to hear it. People that know the track, Murder your Life, ask these guys, murder your life. Did I not destroy it as good as M&M on. I can perform it live now and the fans will pit brutally. So anyway,

I'm like, yo, Vlad, I'm gonna fuck you up when I see you. Vlad's like, you know, I don't even remember if I even convrode with him after that. So, now remember, this is way before Vlad TV. See, he's never putting me on Vlad TV. So the only time I ever got on Vlad TV was when, shut your phone off, fuckers, is when I did a whole album with Cool G-Rap.

Are you familiar that I did a whole album with G-Rap? Right, yeah. Okay, called The Godfathers. Right. and we were kind of talking about Lord Jamar. Right. And Vlad leaves my name off the fucking title and just writes,

cool G-Rap while I'm sitting there with G-Rap. Wow. And we're kind of crapping on McLemore because at that time, McLemore was pushing the whole gay agenda. Right. And remember, G-Rap is the legend for throwing F-bombs.

Right, okay. Like, if you go back to stretching Barbido days, G-Rap put out songs, Break a Bitch Neck. Right. Hey, Mr. Mr. Keep walking past while I'm beating on my bitches. ass like he was promoting fucking women up right no disrespect g right that's that's what

influenced different time right bro that's what influence dudes that rap hardcore yeah you know what what I'm saying ghetto boys g rap right and W a you know it was like those three with a culmination of of a necro rapping brutal because I it's a little different those guys had major label deals I ended up being called a misogynist by every female in the business right you know yeah see that's the kind of crazy thing is that when you talk about that time period and when you think about the rise of Eminem that you were very much poised to have a run just off of the sort of like peripheral attention that he was getting that even if like that that you were going to get a lot of attention just from the attention he was getting but we were just having this conversation is that when

m&M came in he sort of filled the technical rap white boy category almost in its entirety almost to this day and i can talk about that let's hear my lawyer was the same lawyer that hooked up the deal for M&M. Really? Yeah. Cutler and Sitalmeyer. Okay. Paul Rosenberg had an office in their office.

They let him come in to help with deals. Paul Rosenberg is a lawyer as well as a manager. So he was working out of Cutler and Sitalmire. Cutler and Sidelmire would do all my deals with like fat beets when I would do a single deal or with land speed. Because at that time when M dropped, everyone in the underground was doing 12-inch deals with fat beats. So you would do a 12-inch deal

and you would have an A and B side It would be two tracks And you would get like maybe $5,000 Okay Now that was a lot back then And now in Fat Beach You go and you do a Fat Beats in store Excuse me

Fat Beets has a publicist working Like I became famous Overnight fucking with Fat Beats Fat Beats was the mecca of New York City Right everybody would go there I was on right above papaya On West 8th And what was the street hide

Fat Beats? Sixth Avenue and eighth and eighth. And so basically, I was trying to get a deal, you know? And I kept getting told by Cutler and Sidelmeyer, nobody wants to sign white boys. So I'm like, fuck. So now I'm starting to study Master P at the time

because I'm like, nobody's going to sign me. I'm keep getting shitted on. Yeah, we got to have quiet. Yeah, guys, you can't talk. You know what I mean? Like, silent. Sorry, they're just going to hear it in the background. Okay, so.

no white boys at the time. At the time, I'm being told nobody wants to sign white boys by Cutler and Sidelmire. There was like 10 years of no white boys being signed before Eminem, right? There was like a massive gap before him prior to that. Because vanilla ice kind of poison the waters, right? Yes, it got to a point where vanilla ice would be when I'm in school, you know, because I grew up in a black hood in the projects, global projects.

Then I went to South Shore High School across the street from the projects next to Canarsie. So the first thing, somebody black would say to you would be, oh, Vanile Ice. Yeah. And then I would get furious and be like, nah, fuck you. What do you mean, Vanilla Ice? Don't disrespect me like that. Right.

You know what I mean? Like, that was crazy. Like not, because I'm listening to fucking Rakim. I'm listening to KRS. I'm listening to Boogie Down Productions. I'm listening to fucking Kooji Rap. Tribe Call Quest. Video Music Box.

You familiar with video music box? Yes, I do remember that. Okay. But I want to shoot Vanilla Ice some bail. that in retrospect, I've kind of seen this narrative. And people say that Vanilla Ice was actually a really popping rapper in Texas, had respect from the community. But then once the label got their hands on him and once they got their hands on Ice Ice Baby,

that they blew him out of the fucking water. Oh, I agree. But also he ended up looking pretty fucking corny as a result. And it basically... Well, it's because of fucking Arsenio. Right. Arsenio is a fucking hater. There's some YouTube videos about Vanilla Ice that will explain the whole fucking thing that breaks it down.

Here's the reality. Vanilla Ice could fucking dance. Yes. The dude was ill. Blacks in the hood. They liked them. Yeah, because if you can dance that dope, then you got a flat top.

You can get away with whatever. If you're a fucking white boy with a flat top, that's difficult. Yeah. Okay? Do you know what you got to do? Right. You got to use mad gel. He believed in himself.

Mad gel. You got to use a lot of gel. And here's the crazy, because I grew up in the project. Right. So there was white boys in glee. on with projects that would that that rep the part right like it wasn't it wasn't wigger shit you ain't seen white boys like that listen in my projects right brooklyn we're in brooklyn new york right okay it's a different fucking energy yeah you're not a wigger if you're really down right like

nobody black is going you're a wigger they're hanging with you if you're rocking fucking polo would fucking you know a pee-wing fucking shirt you're wearing two hundred dollar shirts yeah Nobody's calling you a wigger. Wigger was the Midwest corny white kids that were wearing starter jackets, not the Brooklyn white kids. If you wanted to kick it with the white kids, you would have chosen a different dress code. Your dress code was meant to communicate what subculture you wanted to be a part of.

The white kids in Brooklyn shit on me living in the projects. The kids in Mill Basin looked at me as a dirt bag. Oh, you're taking the fucking bus back home and you get off with the projects. Sad to say, racist. You live with the N? Like, yo, this is where I didn't even, when you live there, you don't think like that. You were a white rapper in New York City at a time

when it was actually challenging to be a white rapper in New York City. Yeah, I was a white boy in Brooklyn before even a rapper. Right, yeah. In the projects. Right. You understand? Before we even knew how to rap, I had to deal with the fact that I'm getting jumped by 16 black kids

that I want to fucking tear my head off. At a time when New York was a lot more dangerous than we know it to be these days. Well, less people were inside. Yeah, yeah. Remember now everybody's inside. You got, you know, like a 6-9 or whatever, constantly protected. You know, I'm just using it as an example of that. Like, he represents the person that could snitch and rat and get away with it and still cool.

And there wasn't, you didn't have that. You had to be outside. Yeah. If you were that kind of person back then, you would get a fucking beating. And you. By the people. You knew way more people who were just making music on a local level, locally hanging out than you did who were having record deals and like now our idea of whatever.

I wanted to. Right. For example. You believed in it, but you were around people who were just making music for the sake of making music. That's what a rapper was. Check this out. There's a video on YouTube right now of me rapping on stage.

It's crazy. In 1992, with my brother. Yeah. Dropping N-bombs constantly on a whole black crowd that's loving us. The show was put together by the dudes from Black Moon. Wow. This is before. Wutang dropped, before Nas dropped.

It's on YouTube right now. We're crushing it. I look like a Puerto Rican the way I'm dressed. I'm wearing the glasses that change colors. You don't think they perceived you as being a white guy? They knew we were white boys. Maybe they thought we were Latino. But back then, it was like, if you, there was, I'll give you an example.

Fatal. Shout out to fatal. He did these shows where girls would come naked and shit. Dr. Dre was there. Not Dr. Dre from Call. Dr. Dre from MTV You know, Akaneli, Kooji rap, all these rappers,

and King's son, Adolf the Assassin, all these people were at these parties and I would go up on stage, young, 15-year-old necro and N-word was always in my shit because I had this warped mentality. I'm gonna, as a man,

I could look back. I felt like if you could say it, I could say it. And if I say it, and you tell me I can't say it, you've got to fight me. If you can't fuck me up, like one-on-one, you can't tell me I can't use a word

that every rapper uses. Because now you're making it out that I'm white. You're forcing it to say you're different. And when you rhyme, this is probably for any rapper. If you're a real, real hip-hop artist, you don't look at your skin color when you're rhyming and writing shit.

It's in your brain. You're thinking beats and rhymes. Right. Beats and rhymes are colorless. Yeah. This is why if you look at the jazz dudes in the 70s, Every jazz group is a black and white guy together, rocking. Really?

The drummer could be fucking a black dude. Lenny White, Steve Gadd, Ron Carter on the bass, Bob James. Because it was about the fucking music. There's a certain thing about white people in New York, right? Because I remember when I moved to New York in 2004 that every fucking white kid I met said the N-word. And I remember just being like... Indians!

Where am I? Oh, Asian people, everybody. Yeah. I think it's different now, though, because everybody's so much more connected with the Internet. changed now. Yeah, yeah. You know,

you know, when I started noticing shit was weird? Here's why I was using it, right? I was using it because every black kid would come up to me and be like, what up, N? Right.

What up my N? When you get called it so much by black people. And then every huge group that pushes their shit on white audiences like NWA, now you're expecting that kid to know better? Right. I didn't know better. Yeah. I didn't,

and here's the thing. Every Puerto Rican saying it. Right. They look like me. My skin, fat Joe, the same skin color as mine. We're both pale. You don't know what I'm saying? Not every Puerto Rican or Dominican is dark-skinned.

Right. So you're hearing Latinos say it. I'm in the projects. My neighbors, one is black. You're hearing it nonstop. Eventually, everything's about where you're from sometimes. If you're from a certain area, you're going to be brainwashed to that. Yeah.

Especially when you're young. I see it all the time. But here's the thing. As things started getting more internet. Yeah. The rules became much more established. People from different blacks from out of New York didn't like the fact that I was using network.

Exactly. Yeah, yeah. And I never experienced that because I'm only dealing with the people I'm dealing with in Brooklyn usually. But when did you start to catch that vibe or sort of get that that was the sentiment? One time all hip hop did an interview with me. Right. Early internet age.

Yeah, all hip hop did an interview with me and the dude gets on the phone and it's a black cat and he's like, yo, what up, my nigga? And I'm like, what up, my nigga? And I did the whole interview with him and I didn't overly say the N word in the interview at all. But he made a big deal, you're saying? I'll tell you what happened. So he didn't record it.

Right. I was like, you're recording this interview? He's like, no, I'm writing shit down. I already knew that suspect because you can't get the full interview transcription. So I maybe said it 10 times like he said it. Like if we, yeah, yo, niggas fuck with my shit. Right. You know, I'm talking like I'm talking.

The way he made it seem was like he's hood. He understood. He didn't try to check me. Like, yo, what did you say? He's vibing with me. These journalists, man. They'll always do that. They'll always act like they're your best friend.

And then they've communicated to the public as if they feel however they feel. They had me saying it 50 times in the all hip hop thing. I read it online. I'm like, this ain't me. I didn't fuck. They had it saying it like as if you would be mad if you were black. Like this motherfucker. This is just.

How did I say? say it that many fucking times. Right. So I call up the dude. This is all keeping it 100. Right. Not lying to you. I believe you're keeping 100.

If I'm correct, his name is Chuck Kreekmore. Okay. He's the one who runs all hip hop. I called them up. I'm like, yo, gee, are you fucking serious? Meet me right now. I want to meet you in person right now and discuss this shit. I was going to crack them on site.

Like, yo, that was crazy to me. You're trying to sabotage my fucking reputation? Right. See, here's a problem with me. me that I've I've burnt a lot of bridges just being necro because of certain things that I do artistically and because I might be one of the only white boys that thought he could say the N word but I'm saying it no different than anybody who says it in hip hop says it never racist but I didn't realize for some reason my brother stopped way earlier than me and I thought he was being too

politically correct because here's the thing when you listen to all the great Doug rappers right they always use the N word. There's some dudes that they make the whole rap revolver. Like, I'll clap you N. Right. I'll slap you N. So in my mind, I'm like, if you tell me that I can't use it in the context that G rap uses it. Right.

You're stifling my hip-hop poetry here. And I know I'm from the hood. And I know I'm down to bang out. So that was my logic. Yeah. As I got older, give you an example. When I did the album with G-Rap. Right.

I asked Grap. Grap, do you mind if I use the N-word on this album? Cool G-Rap goes, no, I got no problem with it. I was like, really? You have no issue if I use the N-word. He goes, because I know where you're from. I know what you're about. 2013.

G-Rap goes, I know where you're from. I know what you're from. I know what? I don't take it the wrong way. I said, but you know what? I'm not going to use it on the Godfather's album because I don't want to give anyone an excuse to say they didn't like this album.

Right. I don't want to hear, oh, white boy used the N-word. So I didn't use it. I have not used it since. Right. So it's way over 10 years. I don't use the, you know, the N-word. But, you know, at the time, it was about the art.

Right. Because think about it. Here's a fucked up thing. If you're a white rapper and the predominantly doper fucking dudes are all black. Yeah. You want to fit in. You want to be treated equally. You don't want every time you walk in the room, your color gets brought up.

Right. That's almost similar to blacks maybe in the jazz world in the 50s. Everywhere they went, their color got brought up. But don't you think that. Eminem, that's part of why he was so successful, is that he just acknowledged it, he talked about it. M was co-signed immediately by Dre. And that's a massive factor.

When you have the biggest, dopest, richest, respected guy from the chronic. But he never ran from being white or talking about his whiteness or acknowledged. You know what my lawyer said to me? What? Hey, uh, yeah, we're, I'm in doing a single deal in his office, Cutler's Theo Seidelmeyer. Yeah. We're about to blow up this white kid from Detroit.

he's going to be the biggest poster child for MTV. I'm sitting there. I'm not going to lie, I'm jealous. I'm mad. I'm like, why is my lawyer telling me this? Why he doesn't want me to be that? Right. Like you're telling me you're about to blow up another dude

to be the biggest thing on the planet. And like, I've been telling you for three, four years now I want to get a deal. Yeah. It was planned. They planned to monopolize white market. Even if M did his lyrics a certain way, the business people around him, it was all made in a way.

If you look at everything, how it was done on the videos, he's acting out Tom Green, right when Tom Green's blowing up on MTV, he's mentioning Britney Spears. I mean, listen, what they did was genius. Right. When you have a, listen, Eminem and that camp, until Spotify really started blowing up and digital opened up gatekeepers, they had a full monopoly on being white. Every other white rapper pretty much was always, you could talk to anyone black. and immediately the first thing they'll say yeah but are you as good as m&m but isn't it crazy to look back on that and realize that m&m basically they had to like turn him into a cartoon of his former self in order to make him palatable enough to that audience even with the blonde hair bro like if you wanted to look like a normal guy you wouldn't have gone that but that is the thing that made him so recognizable that it became you know like synonymous with his existence well his image helped skinny guy the blonde hair i mean it was you know hey, I wonder, we don't know, right? If that was marketed and somebody told them to do it

or he just woke up and said, I'm going to do it. But the thing is, is with Eminem is I've heard this from people, I forget if it was Paul Rosenberger, whoever, but they say that he got put in the position to make a lot of fucking money and be the biggest artist in the world. He got into the position, he did it, and he never really stopped doing it. Like, he just kept going.

He never self-destructed. He never fucking blew his career up. He had a lot of phases of being on drugs and dirt and certain things like that. But he always stayed pretty consistent with the music. He always just got the shit done, managed to make hit records ever however many years. You know, he really...

Because he probably has the white hunger of not feeling... He wakes up feeling... Right. This is the thing about Eminem. They still... Let me tell you something about... Let me tell you something about his notebook and just starts writing fucking lyrics.

This is the thing about Eminem. Let me tell you something about a guy like Eminem. If you're a rapper and you have every fucking award on the planet and you're still taking pills, that means you don't feel recognized. I don't feel recognized as we sit here right now. Right. And I got 580,000 monthly listeners on Spotify right now.

Did you know that? I didn't know. It was that high. Yeah, okay? And that's independently. Never on a major. Everything myself. That's what I get for using Apple Music,

because they don't have a fucking counter like that, do they? No, Apple Music doesn't, but when it comes to digital, not YouTube and Instagram, you can't fake digital. Yeah. Because they'll dead your fucking platform. You understand?

You don't want to be the guy who your name is John, C and they decide John C's deaded from Spotify. Right. You fucked your career. Oh, yeah. Because you're not going to reach 100 countries now. We've seen it happen to a lot of people, yeah. But YouTube's different.

YouTube will dead videos with their policies and all that. Spotify doesn't specifically say, oh, you rapped about fucking a bitch with taking it off. Right. So when you seen... You ran into that problem on YouTube? You have songs... Oh, I'm shadow... I have 350,000 monthly listeners right now.

No, 250,000 monthly listeners on YouTube. Uh-huh. And they shadow ban everything I upload. Really? Yeah, because I've uploaded some crazy shit, brother. Oh, I believe it. I mean, I'm the only rapper that's ever rapped about human trafficking. Well, like endorsing it?

No. But is the movie taken, endorsing? I never seen it. I don't know. It's not. Okay. It's showcasing. We're show, listen, how many movies showcase crimes?

We could always, oh, are you, is 50 cents new show raising gain promoting drugs? No, it's showcasing it. biggest video on your channel literally has a drug addict shooting heroin into his arm. That's not my biggest video, but here's the problem. What I need drugs. But that's probably why it's not the biggest video, right? It's because of the fact that it got age restricted or whatever at a certain point. Yeah, it has.

But check this out. I need drugs as a song and video came out before YouTube existed. Yeah. Because YouTube dropped in 2005. I dropped I Need Drugs in 2000. Yeah. So I got major burn on my space. and all these other places.

By the time it gets on YouTube, it reaches a million fucking views immediately in 2005, gets taken fucking down for being too brutal immediately. I lose the million. Gets re-uploaded 10 times every time. This is before they're doing age-restricted. I had to re-upload it again for it to be at 5 million where it is now.

Could you imagine if it never was taken down? I'd have 100 million fucking views. You shot that video for what? Was it ever supposed to go on TV? Yeah, but was it ever supposed to go on TV? MTV or some shit. No, that video couldn't be on MTV. Yeah, but where was it supposed to go

that long before YouTube? I was selling it on VHS tapes. It was a point where literally, I'm one of the first dudes. Right. I'm the first technically rapper that released a movie before Streets is watching and before Master Pied bad about it.

What was the movie called? I went to Brooklyn College. I took film. I shot on Super 8 and 16 millimeter two silent movies, put them on VHS and PAL. Fat Beats was distributing this. I was getting paper off my college movies through fatbeats.

They were getting press in every fucking magazine around Europe. And I was making money. I would make like two Gs a month off my college movies. Right. And they made it in source and magazines, getting little reviews and whatever. It was silent movies, 70s flicks. I shot some 70s flicks because all they would let me in Brooklyn College do is silent first before I learned sound. And it was such a hassle dealing.

I edited these movies with the reels, with my hand. holding the shit. Oh, wow, really? Bro, before digital. Wow. We're talking 96. Master P dropped Bout it, Bout it, like that year. Streets is watching was 97.

No rapper had dropped the fucking movie yet. Right. Actual MC, his own flick. So what were we talking about with that? We mentioned that. The video for any drugs. So I was putting these things on those VHS. So, like, I met Mr. Hyde at the New York.

Are you familiar with the New Yorkans Poet Cafe? No. Okay, New Yorkers Poet Cafe is a legendary hip-hop spot in Lower East Side Manhattan where all MCs would go to battle. I challenged Craig G to a battle at New Yorkan Poets Cafe. Right. Familiar with Craig G. From Truth Crew?

No. He's legendary. Shout out to Craig G. I'm not going to mention the battle to try to diss it, to dis him or anything, because it's already, we worked it out. Right. But at that time, we're talking 97. New Yorkan was legendary.

So like doom was outside the night I went to go fucking battle Craig G. It was like that kind of environment. Anyone could have been there. Right. And I met Mr. Hyde at New Yorkans Cafe and I think he bought, did you buy one of the movies? What's your movie? So it was a different culture back then. Right.

Kind of California had their own kind of culture. I think it was called Project Blode around the time. You ever heard of those guys? I'm not 100% familiar, but it was like, Remember, this is way before the internet. Underground rap had a very different character at that time, yeah. So there was like Cali versions, and then you had New York. And then I think, you know, when you came, I don't know if places like Texas had that.

Because they had already rap a lot. You ever get rejected by Rockas? You ever try to sign of Rockus? Yes, Raucas rejected me. I just guessed it. I just could imagine that, too. I wanted to get signed to Rokas and Rokas rejected me. Damn, they fucked up, bro.

Because when I listen. No, I brought I need drugs to Rokkiss. I'm going to read it with you. And I know that like... That made me hate them. Time changes how you view music and everything. But when I listen to your shit from the 90s, I'm like, this is better than a lot of the shit that I was listening to in the 90s. Like what?

Will you listen to appreciate that? Thank you. I mean, I honestly feel... Were you up on me back then? Like a little bit because I remember around that time that people were passing around Rockus CDs and stuff. That's what made me think of it. Is that I remember... No, because you know what it is is this is...

very early era like wares seen online downloading music and software and shit and i need drugs was the kind of song that would be on fucking napster and all these services and i feel like it's one of the first rap songs that i found out about online specifically i need drugs was definitely very popular it was one of them tracks that like even if people didn't know who necro was they were rocking that at parties yes it it's a crazy track man it was because of what it is because but you weren't on drugs at the time No, I had dull drugs. Okay, I've been a drug dealer before.

But you never wanted to do it? I never became a drug addict. My uncle Howie was a junkie. Okay. He was the junkie of the projects. Right. Like literally, he would be the dude that every, all the drug dealers knew Uncle Howie.

Right. Howie was fucked up. Okay. But he was legendary in Brooklyn and New York. And I made him legendary with I need drugs because he's the one shooting up in it. That's him. With his religious friend Mordecai. I thought it was just a random guy.

What the fuck? That was Uncle Howie, because Uncle Howie hears the song I need drugs when I just made it. Wow. He's like, fuck that bullshit. He says to the song, I play him the song.

Excuse me? His response is, fuck that bullshit. Come film me. I'll show you the real drug shit. Like, you know, so I'm like, what do you mean?

He goes, I'm in the crack hotel right around the corner on Coney Island over here. He goes, we'll go meet my boy, Mordechai. I'm with Mr. Hyde at the time. Immediately, I'm like, we got to shoot a fucking I need drugs video.

Wow. High tech, okay. It was stunk like rotten McDonald's in their room. It looks like it, dude. Oh, it was brutal. And shout out to Mr. Hyde. I got to give Mr. Hyde props. Mr. Hyde shot me doing it.

So you could imagine how long I've been friends at Mr. Hyde. That's my best friend for 20 years. Were you at all thinking like, oh, everybody's going to think I'm a drug addict? No. It's kind of weird when you're not. My stepbrother, he was like, yo, bro, you're not going to release this, right? Exploitation. I was like, why not?

You're exploiting drug culture. Yes. If you weren't from such a fucked up environment, that's what everybody would have ran with. I was a weed head. Right. This is what I was. I was a weed head.

I quit weed before that because I couldn't focus. Okay. So I'm a weed veteran. I got a good 13 years under my belt of being a weed veteran. I'm still in the game. Okay, but I believe I'm a weed veteran. You know how people say if you stop, like you, they'll front on you? Yeah.

You don't, no, no, no. I'm just looking weed every day for about 13 years, 12 years. But check this out. Tell me if you agree. Yeah. If you go to Vietnam, you're a veteran, right? Even if you're not there anymore. Yeah.

I smoke for 13 years. I don't deserve weed veterans status. No, I respect you. I understand. You killed some brain cells. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

I killed brain cells, brother. You know what I'm saying? So I was a drug dealer. Right. Okay. I was one of the bigger weed dealers in Canarsie because I became a big drug dealer because I did two cool things. I would deliver it to you any time.

Mm. Other people wouldn't deliver. You saw the future. Now that shit's commonplace. Yeah. But we're talking me doing this shit fucking. before even probably I was even Necro. You know what I'm saying?

15, 16, I had pounds in my fucking house. You know what I'm saying? I would break down, I would get the shittiest weed so I could make the fattest nickels because hood people, hood people meaning hood kids, the kids in the hood, whatever color they are. It's still that way. The fattest nickel means more to them. And I ended up graduating to joints with skunk and hydroponic. For the record, though, because I was killing my lungs.

I always talked to like weed shop owners, who, will be like, yeah, you know, little babies talking about how he's smoking the finest weed, whatever. When people come in, 85% of them want the cheapest weed that they got on the shelf. Because they want to get quantity instead of quality. I used to smoke quality, it would fucking destroy me. I'm talking, if you, bro, I mentioned chocolate tie to people now. They're like, they don't even know what that is. Yeah, yeah, that was the thing.

Like chocolate tie, first of all, just to get that in Brooklyn, it was crazy. There's a whole era of rap songs where that's like the default weed drug. they were talking about was chocolate. Really? Yeah, I just remember like when they mentioned Purple Hades. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Jim Jones came.

I remember them talking about smoking chocolate all the time. Papoose, he definitely had some chocolate bars. Yeah, it was fucking ill. Don't mind me, I'm sweating a little. No, no, for sure. Fat motherfucker's sweat. You skinny guys get to. We're talking fast enough.

I'm a skinny guy. Wow, I got it. Well, you know, I've been getting in shape, but I'm saying, you know, I'm not as bad as I could be. Right. But, you know, I don't front, like, but you know, I'm a boxer. Right. I'm not like professional.

Yeah. I'm a boxer. I could definitely, I'm known to knock people the fuck out. I like, on tour. I need that energy in the room. Yeah, I mean, never to anyone that's cool. We don't start shit. We finish shit.

When we were on tour, I got banned from Europe for three years, 26 countries. Because at my Switzerland show, what happens is, I'm a hip-hop guy that insists that the crowd moshes. Because I'm a metalhead. I grew up as a metalhead. That's one thing I feel like I really connect with you on. Okay.

I grew up with a lot of metal in my life as well. Yeah. And I feel like that's... What was your favorite band? Well, I feel like you're like cannibal corpse as a rapper. People have said shit like that. Yeah. No, people have said shit like that death metal, you know, in that realm.

It's just you wouldn't wrap the way that you wrap unless, like, I feel like you have to understand rap or metal. Yeah. Sort of end up rapping the way that you do because it's medically... Metal influence. Metal influence. Yeah. I've just like, because you're saying so many wild-ass things that, like, are clearly not

descriptions of your everyday reality. It's more like, aesthetically. I'm attracted enough to the idea of dismembering a woman or whatever. It's not like a real, it's not a plan to do that, you know? Well, even Fat Joe said, even Fat Joe said I killed 100 people in my rhymes. Right.

But if I really killed 100 people, he wouldn't be rocking fucking rolling loud this weekend. And that's what I plan on telling my kid when she's like, how are you listening to this dude rapping about killing people? I'm going to say, you know how we watched the movie and there's a villain in the movie? Well, that guy didn't really kill someone. He's just acting like the villain for the sake of the art.

And that's why it's okay for Pushai to do it even though he's actually telling the kid you'll have to explain You'll have to explain him But there's like a line of mine Yeah It's from a track every second someone dies Someone just died another one's dead And again someone just died etc

Right Every second someone dies So if I rap brutality Believe somebody in Brazil's getting their fucking Feet Chopped off And getting their fucking little chaklatas Put in their mouth Right

Some other guy's getting his dick chopped off In Bolivia Right now it's happening But is that It's real. That inspires your bars? You go on some of these sites? Well, let me explain.

Well, let me explain. When I was mob deep dropped the infamous, and they were rapping thug shit. I was doing thug shit. I told you I was selling weed. I'm in the street. I'm walking around with machetes. My crew, we got guns. This is, you know, 92, even before the infamous dropped.

Yeah. You know, we're in Brooklyn. When you're in Brooklyn, you get into beef just standing on the corner. Right. Some guy, what are you looking at? Fuck you looking at. On the train, we get into beef. If you look at it, when you'd be on the train, I would look at your sneakers.

You go, fuck you're looking at. And I'm not going to, oh, I'm looking at your sneakers. No, we got beef now. Right, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, that was back then. It was the aura. It wouldn't happen that way now because these new kids aren't, like the older Puerto

African kids that maybe I got into beef with when I'm on the L. And I'm going through Laura Moore. And this dude walks on, you know, and we're grilling each other. Right. Like, funny thing is, maybe now we will. would give props to the outfits. Right. That shit's fly, son.

Oh, that's it. But back then, maybe he thinks I'm going to try to rob him. Right. You know what I mean? It was that kind of energy. Now people figure out who they're going to beef with on the internet.

And I don't. That's why I don't get into problems. So let's get back to the beef. I was telling you that got me banned from Europe. Right, yeah. So sometimes we go to different countries and the country is whack. The crowd is not into mashing.

Right. If I play London, usually they get a pit. I tell the crowd, let's pit. They get busy. Switzerland, this was in, Switzerland and it happened, they would be in Pussies. So I got a dude down with my crew. Shout out, Drew Wayne.

You know, let's shout out some of my crew. We got Tone in the house from Harlem. We got Mr. Hyde, you know, from Queens, Representative. We got Lefty in the house, our gun, you know, guy. And basically, Drew is from Manchester, England. If you know, Manchester are nut jobs. Yes. And we put them down with the crew.

I just told you, I just point at the person. And Drew will light them the fuck up. Okay. He don't care. Right. There's no discussion. You know what I mean? It's because he understands.

There's a science to the way we get busy on tour and in certain places because we're not having it. And it's our reputation. You're not playing me when I'm in your city. Okay. I don't give a fuck who you are. You see a lot of these new kids in this new world, they get played in other cities. That's because they're not down with the gangsters in other cities. Necro's always down with the gangsters in every city.

Really? Yeah, because gangsters recognize gangsters. Mm. No gangsters looking at Necro thinking he's going to fucking play me when I come to his city. Right. He already knows. Oh, that's Necro. Most likely the gangster rocks my shit already.

Yeah. It's been listening to me since fucking head split dropped. Right. If anything, they're saluting me. Like, for me to come hang. Right. Like, yo, when you come here, you know, I'll take you out. I don't do it.

You know what I mean? I got business to handle. Right. I don't know who the fuck some of these people are. You know what I'm saying? But listen, different caliber. When you're a fucking pussy, dudes look at you as food. Right.

With you're a real dude, dudes won't bother with you. Right. You understand what I'm saying? Like a mob extortion guy doesn't go to a rugged guy. Right. He's going to look for the, because the rugged guy is going to fight.

Right. Bottom line, the guy's going to be fuck you. So who came up to you in England? So what happened was Drew was in the pit. Right. And the opening act thought they were gangster. And I noticed they were giving me the eye

when I was on stage in a way I didn't like and bad energy. I noticed. I have spider sense in drama. Not everybody has it. Right. I have a spider sense. I know who wants beef with me.

Okay. If I'm in a room and there's 20 people, I know that we're going to have a problem. I can tell. Because I'll see this dude in the corner over there and I'll see the way he's looking at me. Right. And I'll peep the energy.

And it's going to get addressed because if you don't address it, you end up a victim. Yeah. People that avoid confrontation end up being the victim of a confrontation. Uh-huh. Unless you have security, of course,

and then they deal with it. Right. You know, I'm saying? But, you know, I've never had security. But even then, you know, your security is basically just like you paying somebody to replace your ability to defend yourself normally. I think a lot of these dudes are cowards that we see in the rap game now. Not the gang dudes, but the other guys that want to be part of that.

If you're a gang guy, you're a gang guy. That's your lifestyle. I mean, listen, if you're a lot of these like popping rappers, though, if you go to the mall and you don't have a security guard, the whole time you're there, you're going to be looking over your shoulder and stressing out thinking about what could happen to you yada yada. Depending on who you are. Yeah, yeah. First of all, right. All right.

Yeah. Depends who, how famous you are. It also depends on how you rap. First of all, have you ever backed up anything you rap? Yeah. Excuse me. In any way. If the people, listen, if wolves never seen you be a wolf before,

then you're not a wolf to them. You're a fucking sheep to them. The other day, this girl from Texas, who's like an up-and-coming rapper or whatever, she got killed. Rest in peace. Some sort of drive-by, shooting, whatever. A lot of rappers getting killed.

But then it comes out that she had done, like, songs, basically like disson gang members who had been killed in her city or whatever. Talking about smoking on so-and-so. Completely changed. At first, I'm like, this is a tragedy. And you know what a New York rapper would do? A real? He would salute.

Kick the candles. That's what they'd be doing. They go to the memorial. Kick the candles over and put it on their Instagram story. A New York rapper would salute the dead, even if the dead was his enemy. Word to my dead. That's what they said. Now I'm going to keep it 100 with you.

I'm going to keep it 100 with you. All those Bronx rappers, they'd be shitting on each other's dead homies all day. Maybe they're their era. Maybe they're new kids. I can't speak on people I don't know about. We're just going to talk about my era and where I come from. I think the manly thing. When someone dies, you don't mention them.

Yeah. That's where I'm coming from. We don't diss to death. Yeah, I don't do that. You have to understand, though, if you're taught, if you're not taught respect. Right. Okay, a lot of people don't respect the elders. I respect it.

Anytime anybody asked me to pay homage or whatever, no, no, excuse me. I've never been asked to pay homage. Anytime anybody asked me about my influences, I pay homage. Right. A lot of these new people don't like to pay homage because maybe they weren't taught.

Why weren't they taught? I don't know. I don't have a kid right now. If I had a kid, my kid would be taught to salute all the fucking pioneers where you heard academics recently try to disrespect the pioneers

and had LL Koujah and Russell's. If you make LL and Russell come out the gate to make a message about you, you'd be in a douchebag. Right. You know, and I don't know academics and he'll never feature me. So I don't care.

I mean, but I'm not going out of my way to diss him or whatever. I didn't even hear what he said specifically. Right. I know that he supposedly he dissed the pioneers of hip hop. The fact that anybody would diss the pioneers of hip hop, you should get cracked in your fucking face. This is the thing. What he said was pretty much a statement of fact, which is that what do you say? You tell me then.

A lot of the early people in rap, whether, I don't know, I don't think he was alluding to L.O. Cool J., but he would be kind of an example. L.O. Cool J. did not make some insane fortune from music because A.O.O. Well, yeah, he did. L.L. did. Well, but from acting and all the shit. Okay. But because realistically, he was probably getting raped by the record label,

just like everybody else from that era. And then you do look at certain people. You look at a Dr. Dre who was able to make a fuckload of money and stuff. But it's few and far between. Most of the people are respected as artists, unless they were able to build some crazy business adjacent to their rapping. Agreed. Did not make that much money.

Now, things are different now. What did he say specific? He basically just said, he didn't say it in a cool way. Like I just said, he said, y'all out here looking dust. as fuck you've been in rap since the 80s okay hold on hold on hold on you're gonna call a rap pioneer like melly mel or cool her dusty right that's crazy disrespect that's insane for you to even say that and you're a fucking nobody you never made a song in your life all you do is feature six nine on fucking channel that's what you do oh all you do is really push a negative agenda in hip hop you're not

pushing does he push anything positive i don't know if he's your boy and you want it does interviews I mean, I respect this content a lot, and I think he's brought a lot to the game of doing content online and stuff. But all I'm saying is that his statement is basically true. A lot of these early rappers really did not capitalize on rap the way that the industry is set up. Now, if you came out right now, if you're 21 and you're the same dude and you rap exactly like you rap right now, you'd be a millionaire, you'd be signed to a label for a couple million dollars because they would be able to fucking monetize the shit that you were doing in a way. But I still grossed a million anyway.

No, I'm not taking away from what you've been able to do independently because I know. been on that grind, but I'm saying the machine is set up where there's going to be 10 different dudes that are going to say, Necro, let me do your merch for you. I'm going to take this. I'm going to build you this business. You're going to be making this amount of. That shit was, you were figuring it out. But check it out. But check it out.

You're talking a different thing now. What you're talking about now is the legends not getting their just due. Right. Technically, which everyone agrees on that. L.O. and fucking Russell would agree on that. Right. But the only thing I heard here is you called the pioneers dusty. Yeah.

He said it in them as a disrespectful. by the pioneer is dusty that's first of all you would have got raped in your ass if you were at a fucking uh any event back in the bronx they would have fucked you in your ass bro really i don't know but well well well well maybe africa bambata oh you weren't around for any of that no no thank god you didn't sign and i want to make something clear and i want to make something clear and i want to make something clear. No, no, no. I want to make something clear. Uttmost respect to Africa Bambata. You could put the molestation to the side. No, I can't. If you want to mention that,

I can't because if, but here's the thing. I don't personally have the proof, but if it's real, hell's no. Hassan Campbell's sitting around saying that he was a victim. I'm just saying, if it's real, hell's no. Right. But this is probably why KRS won has a problem when he was totally admitting it because KRS won as a dude for his entire career bigged up Africa Bambata. Now he's being told he's a molester.

KRS is perplexed. He's like, what the fuck? I mentioned this guy in every interview for 30 years. I'm mentioning Africa Bambata. But do you think that it's a weird thing for a lot of people? Is it possible that Karras 1 didn't know?

Or you think that he was complicit? I don't think if Karras knew because I don't think KRS 1 is still going to big up Africa Babbata now. No, yeah. I think he didn't know it like this. It wasn't public. and Africa Bambata is a respected legend of hip hop

I even mentioned him in rhymes of respect there's a reason I threw that out there Not to be a dick His name's kind of like being a race from Backtrack, his name's being kind of erased from rap history, right? I want to backtrack a little bit. They're going out of their way to not bring them up anymore. Listen, I'm just being organic

And what came to my mind But in no way You know what I disrespect, I'm saying How did I even mention him? We were talking about how you can't disrespect legends and hip hop right right you can't call them dusty oh you because i said you would get raped here's my point i'm saying back in the day on some jail house shit if you were in the bronx right and you called these real gang legends a lot of them are gangs the black spades you disrespected and said dusty

you're getting fucked up bro yeah like you're not you know you're gonna be lucky to come away from that only now because a lot of these dudes are in their 60s you're not gonna africa ban Like he's not stepping to academics. Didn't he dip out the country? I don't know. Yeah, he's the problem. Here's the fucking problem. Okay?

Old school legend has kids and shit now. They're not going to go to prison for beating the shit out of one of these new guys. Right. Now. Yeah. So what's going to happen? Academic has to deal with these young kids

that walk around with guns, that are wearing these fucking... Shasties. Yeah, what's the new thing with the little thing with your face out? These guys are wearing them indoor. doors too. The shiasty.

Yeah, you're not sweating? Come on, bro. I'm fuck, I can't rock that. Yeah. But I get it, though. Listen, I get old thug shit. One thing about Necro is I always bring up the big pun line. Respect crime, but not when it reflect mine.

I respect crime. Do your jukses. But you ain't jukes of me. Right. Fuck out of here with that. But what about when the guy at the bodega around the corner from you gets robbed? You respect that crime? No, it's not about respecting it.

It's that this is what... Respect that it happened. I think the guy at the bodega should have a gat. You should have a revolver around the counter. And when dude comes in, all nervous, da, da, da, da, da, have your hand on the revolver if it's your business and you own a fucking business. Yeah. And you got a fucking license in New York City for your business. Can you please get to this, how you got in this fight in England?

Oh. So, bottom line, they were acting like this guy. I appreciate to. Listen, they were acting gangster. Okay. Now here's the Necros view. Okay. If it's my show and I'm on stage, I'm the head end in charge.

Okay. It's my fucking show. I got paid to be there. I'm the headliner. Right. You're not disrespecting me at my own show. It's never fucking happened. Ever.

Okay? These guys were the opening act. They thought they were gangster. Right. Long story short, they end up making Drew bleed in the pit. Because they didn't respect the pit because they think they're gangster. Okay. So they don't respect that part of the culture.

Right. Okay. Okay. You think you're gangster. Um, I, jump off stage in the middle of my song to go address this one dude that hit him bounces come break it up um I was like get this guy out of the fucking club bounces are there to work for me if it's my event I'm the headliner you work for me right

shit didn't go well this night because we arrived late on tour and I didn't get to talk to head of security to let head of security to know he works for me tonight right my show okay I say this guy gets 86th, 86 them. So you tell the security that. Because normally it's like the artist versus the security. Yeah, because artists are morons. If you have brains, you go meet the head guy's security. You look them in your eyes.

You tell them, my crowd is crazy. We mosh pit. We get busy. If somebody's drunk and ex stupid, get rid of them, or I'm going to fucking be the one who jumps off stage and cracks them. If this guy's a real man, he's going to be like, no, I got you. I'll do my job. I just spoke to you like a real man.

I just told you fucking how my, crowd gets busy. Yeah. Only an asshole would want fucking beef to happen after that you spoke to them. We didn't get a chance that night, me and Hyde, sometimes Hyde does it, sometimes I do it, to speak to security. So now there's this disconnect, and I'm already on stage, and I didn't have a convo with these guys.

Right. So now they look like they're more on the side of the fucking this group. Right. So long story short, I see the kid coming back in in the middle of me doing my song. So I automatically think, if you're coming back into, the club, maybe you got a knife on you now. Right. So I stopped the song again.

Jump off stage, crack him, break his teeth, immediately break his teeth with the first left. So you could really fuck somebody up? Yeah. And I'm not even the illest. Mr. Hyde's even iller than me. If you could take the teeth out immediately, that's a pretty good sign. Well, if you know how to throw a proper punch and a throw left, I went to the boxing gym, same as Shannon Briggs in East New York, Brooklyn.

Shout to Shannon Briggs, my guy. Yeah. East New York, Brooklyn, Starrard City boxing gym. I was trained by Larry the Panther. Hyde used to come and spar with me and how I became friends with him because he was down to go to the boxing gym. And I'm not the illist.

Right. But what happens is if you're a real dude and you know how to throw hands, then first two minutes you can destroy people. Right. It's after the two minutes I'll lose a little fucking my stamina. Yeah. But them first two minutes, you're catching.

I'm always shocked at a fight how I'm out of breath in like 30 seconds. I work out all the time. It'd fucking get you winded so fast as you start swinging on somebody. If somebody disliked your girlfriend, how different would you feel? Oh yeah,

you turn into an animal. No, but for sure. But as soon as you have a moment to perceive what has happened to you, you're like, oh my God, I just got so into it

and so fucking physically exhausted. It all depends who disses you. It all depends on the insult. Yeah. I look at it like you're insulting my rep. This is the shit I spent 20 years building. And you, you're not known. I'm in your country.

I'm headlining. You're trying to fuck my shit up. You want to make a bitch out of me. There's no other difference in that. You know why? Because they could have been cold. You knock his teeth out. Then what? Not all his teeth out. I knocked out one tooth. I cracked them with the left. Right. Boom. He's already a bitch. He's doing nothing now. That dude ain't doing shit now. He's fucking scared now. He knows the hands are going to break things on him. Right. I think I gave him fucking a broken fucking eye with another fucking punch. Hides fighting the

bouncers. Tones fighting the bouncers. It's eight of them against us four. We gave them a whipping. Wow. Then they press. charges on us. Right. Like immediately or did this happen? No, we were right back to the dressing room. Yeah. Now here's the way I view it. You tried to come in the back room too. Yeah. Well, you laid that other guy out too. But base bottom line, we fucked them up. Right. And they decided to call police and press charges. What I would have wanted them to do is lock the door. Could have been eight of them against us four still and said, we're going to handle this in the room here. No police. Oh, beautiful. Right. Please. Wow. Because I want to go home. I want to be able to go back. You to

broke i don't want to go i ended up getting arrested they put me in a fucking cell where my shit turned green and you start having to miss the shows and shit too right i i think one got fucked up or whatever it was at towards the end of the tour anyway i get deported with a fucking escort to jfk when i land in jfk i kissed the floor literally i'm so happy to be home wow and an escort you have to pay for the person to escort you back no they sent an official to make sure i don't You know, maybe once I land in JFK, I don't go back to Switzerland. They're so sick they thought that I want to go back there. Right.

They had me banned from 26 countries called the Schengen territory because they think that I'm going to come back to France and slip back into Switzerland. Like I give two shit. I did have groupies in Switzerland, but I'm really? Yeah, there was a girl I fucked in my hotel room. So, you know, but I'm not going back to Switzerland to try to fuck a piece of ass. Right. But that's how they think.

They think they're such hot shit that I'm going to try to weasel my way back into their country. Right. So for three years, I had to write, okay, so when I'm coming home on the plane, I go on Facebook. Remember, this is way before the 6-9 era. You know, this is years ago. I don't know. I don't remember what year, 2014, maybe. Right.

And I call Switzerland, Snitcherland, and the government saw it and got mad at me. I had to write an apology letter to the Switzerland consulate saying, I'm sorry for insulting you. Holy shit. Please let me back in Europe. Hilarious. And I had to hire a lawyer. and like it took a lot. And then in 2017, after three eyes,

I was able to go back to Europe. So now this time, I'm so militant because here's the thing. Anything can set us off. Right. You're dealing with a groupie. Our boyfriend's here. He opens his fucking mouth crack.

Right. Now it's like we're telling the groupies you can't bring nobody back. You know, being meal, because I wanted to show Europe, I can come back and do 10 countries, no drama. Right. Here's the way these people are.

No disrespect. Respectfully. Most promoters are pussy. And so when they, you know, they think I'm going to cause trouble. Right. You know what I'm saying? Here's the crazy thing. It bothers me so much.

If you're black, it's okay if you're a troublemaker. They'll book you more. Because he's real. You were judged differently. Yeah, because they look at white boys. They're like, I'm trying to be tough. Interesting. Like, I'm not trying to be tough.

I'm feeling threatened. I don't have security. If I'm in your country and your security is doing a shit job and I'm on stage and there's drunk people acting dumb and I'm trying to wrap. technical shit. I'm getting outrageous on you, pulling razors on, you blazing. I don't got no fucking time to rap

and worry about you fucking me up. Right. Like if you get stupid, I'm kicking you in the grill. Like, I ain't got no fucking time for games with you. Yeah. But remember, security costs a lot of money.

Sometimes if I was to hire a dude, I would have to give him all my show money because I'm an underground rapper. Exactly. I'm only getting 5Gs a show. On an underground rapper budget? I'm not getting 20 Gs a show. The security guy could eat up the whole fucking

budget. He could eat up three Gs, A good chunk of it. You could eat up two G's, but then I got to pay Mr. Hyde. I'm paying the DJ. We're bringing merch. You know what I mean?

It's like you got to bring some crew. And the problem is that when you're on touring shit, it's like 99% of the time nobody's going to try anything with you. And then just every once in a blue moon, you're like, God damn, I wish I had a fucking handgun or a security guard.

You're right. 99% of the time fans are cool. Yeah. But here's the thing. It was that 1% that killed John Lennon. Exactly. It's that 1% that killed Dimebag. it's that 1% that killed PMB, rock.

It's that one dude out of 100 that day that might have guns on them that said, I'm gonna step to this dude. Right. And you need to be fucking ready, bro. When that dude steps to you, you better have tone near you and Mr. Hyde because these dudes is gonna crack people

before you get to me. I need them almost like. If you're even looking at me wrong, they're coming up to me tapping me. Oh, you see this media? So it's always kind of been your network on your tours and everything like that? I got, of course.

I mean, I'm always with goons. Right. Listen, keep it real. A king who has a fucking, his own kingdom. Right. Does he go to another fucking kingdom with nobody? No. I'm just going to roll.

I'm the king. I'm rolling. I don't got no army with me. Nobody says that's wrong, right? He's a pussy. Why he's not rolling to the Westerland all by him? Because they'll cut his fucking head off. You're deep on Hot D right now?

Yeah. House of the Dragons? Of course. Okay. Who isn't, bro? I mean. Are you? Yes, the kings are, I didn't watch the episode from last night.

Okay, I won't say that. But the kings are not going anywhere near the battlefield until everything's already sorted out. Except that motherfucker. What's his name? Damon. He's gully. Bro, he turned up on that island.

Yeah, that was fire. Yo, the crab king. Yeah, oh yeah, sorry. That's like episode two or so shit. But he's not a king, though. But here's the thing. There are certain kings in history that were gangster. Yeah.

I'm just, here's what I'm saying. So you understand my point. It's considered in hip hop to be. pussy to have security you have people you're a pussy you're supposed to roll totally by yourself alone yeah so what am i supposed to do if i'm necro and i'm alone right and you're 15 deep 15 pussies can beat up one real dude but once you actually see how like top rappers are moving now and i'm talking about the gangster ass rats they're moving with they're moving with juggernaut they might have like okay at the time that king vong got she hulk king vonger killed in alana basically over a fist fight with

with Crono Rondo. Okay. And they said that at the time he had like three, four arm security in an SUV. He had his homies who had guns. So, I mean, like you have like seven,

eight guns right there. Yeah, and he still was so wild with this shit that he walked up on somebody he had beef with and started swinging on him and got killed in the process. Well,

the crazy shit is we've been knowing Chicago is don't play. Right? This is all Chicago? Well, it happened in Atlanta, but he's from Chicago, yeah. Okay, but we know that, you know, and a lot of these new rappers,

it's, Listen, here's the thing, man. How did Necro survive all this time in different, down with different crews and different gangsters of New York City and even around the world? How do I survive? I don't know.

You've never heard of me getting played. No. Okay? Because you have to know who's a gangster and who the fuck is and you have to know how to deal with another gangster. Right.

And sometimes you're not the biggest gangster in the room. There's a hundred times I'm the illest dude in the room. There's a hundred other times I might not be the illest dude in the room. room you know what I'm saying and you need to be able to align with that dude on some piece shit right and a lot of these people don't know how to do it they're either not being taught right or they didn't grow up in the environment or who knows there could be many reasons I would

like to ask certain people now the concept of walking up to somebody you have beefwood and snuffing them yeah I support that I've done that but it becomes a very different dynamic when you know his homies are standing right there with guns right that makes no sense because here now you're not being a smart soldier. Right. If you're going to be an intelligent soldier in your beef, catch that guy one-on-one somewhere. And shoot the five with him.

You can even tell him when you step up, yo, let's just shoot the five, son. One-on-one right now. Let's go into the alley right there. What's the worst that's going to happen? One of you gets beat up? That's real man shit. But shit has changed so much

where nobody wants to have a fist fight these days. Because they can't handle the loss. If we had told them... Because they can't handle the ease. The loss is so painful. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. But for me, that makes me strong. But most rappers accurately know that their career might be over

if they took a loss in a fight, right? And I think my fan... And the whole necro fan base are people that fight fair ones and lose sometimes at bars and know that a real man, if you're real, get up, man. I'm whatever. You miss that era?

Especially in England. They'll fight each other and have beers right after. But they'll also stab the fuck out of each other. I mean, listen, if you can stabs, each other as long as it's not fatal. Don't hit the organs. Don't hit the jugular veins. Don't hit the organs.

Stab over here. Bro. I've seen people in England with the biggest most technical knives I've ever seen in my life. It's like the equivalent of like the most hardcore American gun enthusiast where he's going to have 100 different modifications on his AK. Bro, their knife game is insane.

And they're stabbing each other in your watch and their whole arm just open up. That shit is fucking nuts. Well, that's not a good look. to have your arm open up. But it makes stabbing somebody seem kind of civil. It makes shooting somebody seem kind of civil. I used to carry a 24-inch machete as a kid. This was my thing.

So I don't, because in New York City, if you get caught with a gun without a clip, it's a year. Yeah. And I never wanted to get locked up. I'll tell you why. Not because I'm scared or anything like that. I mean, I've gotten locked up,

but like in jail, central booking, shit like that. Never did bids because I didn't want to lose my time in the game. Yeah. I have four years go by and everyone else. So it's always in my head, like I got to make sure I don't fuck up my rap career here. Right. But so I would say I could scare someone with a 24-inch machete. Right.

And the cool thing about a 24-inch machete is you can carry it down the saddle of your leg and you can run and it moves with your leg. Right. You don't cut yourself because it's in a sheath. Yeah. And that's what I would carry a lot. So I didn't have to carry a gun because I always looked at it like this. With guns, you're going to do major prison time.

And then a lot of times if you kill the person, that's 25 of life. Yeah. So, like, you can get away with shit. I got away with a lot of shit with just having my machete and my hands where cops will let me go. Or, you know, I just got community service. But these days, you get, but I'm a smart guy. You get caught with a machete on Canal Street in this day and age in New York. I feel like you're going away for a little bit, right?

I don't know. No? No, because you know what I would say? I don't know, yeah. Cops will go, what are you doing with this? I'm a butcher. Yeah, I work fucking cutting weeds. I work in Brooklyn and I just came back from cutting weeds.

Right. And this is my new machete that I need. for the job, I do landscaping. Yeah. Never mind the fact that my name is Necro and I have all these albums of songs about dismembering human beings. Yeah, but the cop doesn't know that. Here's the one thing I also learned.

Don't tell them about you're a rapper? No, talk to cops fucking, talk to cops respectfully. Yeah, yeah. Okay? Yes, officer. No officer. I'm not saying kiss the guy's ass. If the cop comes up to me, I put out a song called All Cops of Bastards.

The cop came up to me. Oh, so you're that dude that did all cops of bastards. And I would say yes. And I said in the song, many, very few have respect. So you show me right now that you all want to be respected. Right. Let him be cool.

Let me go. But I feel like the, if you let me go, listen, if you, if you arrest me, you are a cop fucking bastards. So fuck you anyway. That's like you put out a rap lyric that's like most of y'all crips are bitches. And then a crib runs up on you and you're like, I said most.

I'm not good. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not going to dis plugs the crips. Yeah. Okay. Now cops, it's a little bit different. Right. You know what I'm saying? And my song was about when COVID was happening,

and it was fucking riots in 140 cities. And it was like the tension was up. And that's when I made my song ACAB. Right. You know, and what I was trying to say is if I talk to a cop and he's asking me shit, I'm just going to respond. I'm aware he has the power. I'm not a dumb person.

Right. I have brains. And I always have a piece of fucking weapon on me. So why would I want to let this guy have the up on? me. It's all about strategy in life. Everything really strategy. This is why I said I survive. I understand strategy. So for instance, anytime I ever had beef with somebody who's a goon, I immediately get them on the phone and I talk with them and I hash it out with them. I'm not talking about somebody who wanted to beat me up. Right. Okay. I ain't no pussy. There ain't no dude.

Say, oh, I'm going to beat Necro up. Right. I'm saying if some shit happened and this guy is a known dude and maybe it was some kind of beef happened, get on the phone with the guy. Right. You understand? A pussy's going to not want to and let it linger. Don't let beef linger. Because beef rocks. But that's a product of

the internet age. You got to put beef in the freezer. These motherfuckers don't want to have conversations with each other. They don't want to actually because that. They want to be like 6.9 and go, fuck you. Shuck my dick. I got 800 billion. Okay. But listen. How does he survive? He has to have

fucking police watching them. Right. You can't, you don't know what? Like you have people. You gotta pay people. I don't have to pay people. Guess what?

I've been through the world. I did a lot of drama, blah, yada, yada. I don't got to pay nobody to do nothing. I can still roll with my crew. You know what I'm saying? I don't have to be that dude. You're one of those funny when we went to Canada for them to let me in Canada.

I had to hire, it's going to sound like I'm trying to be tough. I'm really not, to be honest with you. We had to hire security to protect the people from us. The government said you have to hire a security. Because your record. of violence was bad yeah because they fuck if you know it's it's weird black rappers and this is nothing against anyone black i'm being honest with you black rappers can have these records but they get still

booked like you because the way that these promoters think oh that's just how he is right with necro i get all this bullshit oh he's a troublemaker he's difficult no i'm not man are you still have are you protecting me when i'm in your city are you protecting me right you don't give a shit if i live Think about it. Just how sick it is. You see people dying now. These promoters don't care if I live or die. So what the fuck do I give a shit with you?

Well, they probably don't want you to die at their show because they could be held liable. Of course. You get what I'm saying. Right, yeah. Like, they're not thinking what I'm thinking. Right. I'm thinking worst scenario. How do I deal with this?

Oh, okay. Well, we need to go hit up. We just landed in Canada. We need to go hit up the knife store. I want to get you. Yeah. When we were in the Midwest, we hit up Walmart for fucking for butcher knives. Let me get your thought.

I want to get your thought process on this. Yeah. You talk about rapping brutality. You know, this is a thing that you've always believed in. Like, this is a tenant of what makes, I was going to explain that. You're rapping.

You're rapping. And I compared it to cannibal corpse because I see it as sort of like a similar stylistic decision and everything like that. Where does that come from? What is it about you that believes that that's where you want your shit to bring people? Okay. So when I was doing thug shit and mob deep dropped, right? And I, the infamous was incredible.

You familiar? Oh, yeah. Okay. So I'm like, yo, this record, oh, wow. These dudes fucking did it. Right. Prodigy came even crazier than he ever has. He elevated his lyrical skills.

And I'm like, I was rapping shit like that. You know how you know I'm rapping shit like that? Because one of my biggest songs on Spotify right now, it blew up in the last two years is a demo called Robbery 95. I love that song. When I was listening to your top Apple songs and I was like, How the fuck have I never heard this song? I never promoted that song.

Really? I just put it on rare demos and freestyles volume one. That was one of the songs I was thinking about, is that that song sounds like one of the best songs I've heard of that generation that I never heard at the time. Okay. And that's the same year mob deep-top infamous. So I had it in me because I was doing jukses.

I'm not going to lie. See, I was the biggest jukes guy in the round. But back then we didn't have jobs. People wouldn't give us, especially if you look dug out, you know, bosses talk. down to you. The thug mentality is nobody can talk down to me. Right. You know what I mean? So you start selling weed. You start doing shit of that nature. You know what I'm saying? And then you start doing jukses. You want to eat a combination plate. It's $5 for an egg roll

and this and that. Your mother doesn't want to give you money that time. You're still relying on mom. She's like, I'm not giving you no money. Not even $5.combinate. So now you go and you try to rob a pocketbook. You try to rob a gas station. Is that combination plate like 14 bucks now? Now they're more expensive. It used to be five bucks, bro. I think I might have been seven when I was living here, man. It's definitely gone bad. It was delicious. Yeah.

I remember, fuck. It was back down when dumplings in New York City were delicious. They're horrendous now. What happened? Nobody can make good dumplings anymore. I'm saying it right now. Yo, we're in the heart of where we could get some good dumpling at, though, right? Okay, well, if you can find dumplings, listen, I'm going to keep it real with you.

I've called up 100 places since COVID. Really? And the dumplings, if a good dumpling, I talk with tone about this is crispy. It's crisp. No, they're never healthy because they're pork. No, yeah. But they're fucking, they're crispy. and they're not soggy

and they don't taste like a whack goza. Right. They're like, they're in New York City, bodega, you know what I mean? Chinese spot fucking, he knows. Oily like a motherfucker. But they're like nothing on this planet, bro. But wait, wait, I said,

I don't want to make a point. So when Mobb Deep was doing the dog shit, I'm like, fuck, man. Like, I'm not getting no deal. I'm like, and I was already making really dark death metal beach. I was at a death metal band. Have you ever heard of LaMores?

No. LaMores was the rock capital of Brooklyn. Okay. It was a venue in Bensonhurst. Right. Talica played there. Yeah. Slayer played there.

Wow. Sepul Turro, Bituary, every New York hardcore band. It was the mecca in the middle of Bensonhurst, Lamores. Anybody who's a real head. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Shout out to Isaac and all those type of dudes. Yeah.

A boy Danny Diablo. Shout out to shout him out now. Wow. No, because we come from the culture that everybody played Lamores or went to Lamores. King Diamond would play Lamores. So I was in a metal band at 12. I had hair down on my ass and a fucking yellow BC rich warlock. And I was able to play technical deathmills.

Dicca-dick-dick-dick-jee. Like, still, till this day, you don't lose it. It's like riding a bike. Yeah. So, you know, like, you ever heard like triplets? Most metal bands, dick-d-d-d-dick-dick-dick-dick. dun da-da-d-d-da-d-da-d-d-da-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-tit's like there's a whole culture around being a metal thrash guitar guy yeah you know what i'm saying that's what i was which is a very unique viewpoint for you to be coming from

because i've always felt like most rappers are very much like not aware of metal at all so i'm in junior high school wearing anthrax among the living shirt yeah i'm wearing a megadeth p-cell shirt right i'm wearing a master of puppets ride the lightning or a metal up your ass shirt with the fucking shirt where they have a knife going up to the toilet bowl. All shirts that you could probably buy urban outfitters within the last couple of years too. The game is all fucked up. Oh, you'll see a poser girl walking on the street. What band is that?

I don't know. Don't talk to me, rapist. Like, go fuck yourself, bitch. Yo, Dave Mustaine from Megadeth got dissed by a girl that was wearing his shit. He went up to her. He's like, yo, you're wearing my band. How you doing? She's like, get away from me, old man.

he's like but you're wearing my band she don't excuse me she ain't heard a song oh no never she goes I bought it down the block at some fashion shop yeah it's probably some you know they just made like a couple you know so it's like urban outfit is no they got the licensing deals they got every store in the fucking country

yeah you know why because because megad probably fucking sold the license here's the funny thing his girl's shitting on Dave Mustaine but he probably gets a check from it it's just a cool little piece of iconography for them it's like oh American culture it's like having a fucking soup can on your shirt from their perspective, you know?

Yeah. No. You know. But actually, I think it's kind of fun when you see the black rappers wearing like a Slayer shirt and they never listen to Slayer. Oh, I always know. That's their way of reappropriating our fucking culture. Posing.

Yeah, yeah. Well, I do think it's super corny too for sure. It's what metalheads would have called posing. I remember getting into, yeah. But it's kind of like revenge. Maybe. You know, that's for all the white people that, that appreciate hip-hop for purely aesthetic purposes.

I just think black culture has always been able to decide what's fresh. If I wear a Nike. If I wear your Nike's right now, somebody could sell, this is Cardi. But if Kanye's wearing them, it's the dope as shit ever. Yeah.

It's just like that, bro. Why is it like that? Because media fucked over people like me. I got fucked over. Media kept pumping into people's heads that, first of all, if you're white, if you're not Eminem's level, okay, so for instance,

if you go to my Spotify, right, you got, you, could you go to Spotify now? Do you have Spotify? One thing I wanted to do in the interview. Type in Necro. You'll understand my point of how,

sick people are these days. Let's type in, N, E, C, oh, there we go. How many monthly listeners it shows you? 5,700. No, no, no, 579,000. Okay, rounded off, 580,000. Almost 600K, yeah. Okay. Most rappers, 99% that I try to rap on this planet don't even have a thousand fucking monthly listeners. Right. I'm destroying the majority of people on the planet. But a person in the street will compare me to Eminem and say, you don't have 40 million. You're not relevant. Like a dumb girl that knows nothing about music. Not to say, well, women are dumb.

I'm saying a chick that we know that knows nothing about music, not a cultured one, like our fans, but, you know, like your average broad that only knows what people tell them, she'll think I'm whack and I'm not popping. She'll look at 500,000 monthly listeners and in her head go, dude, you ain't fucking nobody. He's a nobody. I never heard of him. If I didn't hear of him, he's a nobody. Damn.

But I got 500,000 people monthly. And remember, this is one platform. Yeah, yeah. I'm on Apple Music. I'm on YouTube. I'm on this. A hundred different platforms. You know, it is what it is.

I got my fan base. There's some rappers from the 90s that aren't as big as me now that had major label deals. Then you got some emo trap guy who might have 10 million now. Yeah. How did he blow up? But see, okay, that's the thing is, and why the monthly listener's stat is kind of weird and why your numbers are actually probably representative of more than

you would think is because if you at one point in your career, let's say by some, some rare chance that you were, you were given a verse on the Marshall Mathers LP. That number is going to be like $5 million right now. It's going to be ridiculous. Just be like one song because that song is going to get played from that album. But it might not last. It depends. True.

But that's why a lot of these rappers, when you see, oh, why is Lil Dirk doing a song with Nav and with fucking little baby, et cetera, is because they're all just juicing each other Spotify numbers by doing music together, you know? Listen, agreed. and some of them do deserve it. Some of them are big. Right, yeah. It depends.

But like, for instance, they'll give you some context to my numbers. 70% of those numbers are from necro fans. I would assume, yeah. Literally just typing in necro on Spotify. Right. The way they would type anyone in. So if some guy's sitting here and he's a DMX fan,

that's what his flavor is, what do I want to eat today? Yeah. Pizza, da, da, da, da, they're typing in necro. What that means is nothing to do with Spotify's help. Right. Nothing to do with someone else is. playlist it's 70% people that fuck with me that woke up and maybe they want to hear I

any drugs right maybe they want to dive deep whatever the case is 30% is from their radio that they give you where Spotify radio listing and shit right no but not editorial oh okay I get 1% help from Spotify that's how bad they don't help me right there's scumbags with that 1% I get but 30% is from uh necro radio and release radar and things like that so they're helping a little bit. I do have a, you know, like 150,000 followers of the page. They're supposed to give release radar to that

150 on their homepage. Okay. So they'll know when the new shit drops. Like I got something new drop in September 30th, which is a porn song called Go Down South. Oh, really? Yeah, it's all, it's, I have an alias when I'm rapping, this death rap, Necro, I'm brutal, evil. Which is his sex name?

The sexist. And I rap. I would have to say, I would go as far as to say I'm the illest, sex rapper on the planet nobody can fuck with me I need some of that in my life yeah I gotta stop listening to R. Kelly when I fuck I only listen to R Kelly when I fuck

yeah wow and R Kelly man that's he's a weird one right that's very taboo no it's weird because so many people it's so weird when everyone fucking loves you and now they can't anymore because you're a pedophile but I'm so like huh I'm so not invested in R&B

that I don't give a fuck neither am I whereas like if you I don't know did some bitch shit if you or consternition, whatever, the worst thing that a rapper could do, I'm never going to be able to listen to you without thinking about that element, you know? I agree. But better for worse, because it is just art at the end of the day, right? I agree.

Okay, anyways, what makes you one of you so brutal? Right. Because I'm thinking, okay, you mentioned Mobb Deep. I'm thinking, rock you in your face, stab your brain with your nose bone. He had lines. You took that and just said, how can I make this more extreme? Okay, so I'll give an example. So like, gnaz.

Right. The hardest gnaz will rap is you getting clapped up. shit in the hood okay maybe he'll maybe he'll paint the picture of some blood on the floor you're not gonna get too deep into what really happens if a dude really gets clapped in the brain that's a nightmare for the fucking little kid that lives in the building that sees brain splattered everywhere right but it's not most rappers don't detail that's why they keep it kind of simple right right they keep it oh it just the illest line i ever heard naa say is uh possessed like a nigger breaking possessed by Satan.

Okay. I thought it was ill because he mentioned Satan and he entwined it with a dude breaking and being possessed. Right. That was a fire line. Oh, and I went to hell for snuffing Jesus. So that's considered extremely

taboo in the black world of music that he, those guys went there. That's why a lot of the stuff G-RAP was doing, it wasn't accepted. Break a bitch neck. Yeah. He was one of the only guy literally talking about breaking a woman's neck.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Or beating up his woman public um so basically for me i'm influenced by the ghetto boys at this time i'm listening to the album rick rubin produced which is fucking destruction i mean they bodied that record right and i'm like yo they went gold doing that style nwa were considered super fucked up um and so i'm also influenced for metal the beats i'm making a dark because i know how to play guitar right i'm playing bass lines on my shit and i'm taking baselines and putting them on loop beats and the bass lines i'm taking

a bass line from the band Creator or obituary or this because certain riffs, Chapel of Goals for Morbid Angel, and I'm putting them on my drums and now it's original necro shit. Then I'm getting into serial killers. This is around the time when Jeff Dahmer just dropped. Before every woman in America became a true crime fan? Oh, definitely. There was a time where you would go to the library and they were putting books out with Jeff

Dahmer. And I think about it now. You've seen that new series about them? Incredible. I haven't seen it, but I keep hearing about it. Oh, I got to get on it. Fuck. Yo, they shot it like a Scorsese meets like blow.

Oh, really? The way they show. Oh, all time period. A lot of fucking him as a normal dude with family. Oh, wow. So it's creepy because you're starting to almost like him. Like, because you're not seeing him just as the mysterious guy. They put all mysterious away, but it made it iller.

Because that's what you want to say. If it gets the necro seal of approval, then I know it's legit. It's fucked. Oh, bro. It's fucked up. They covered everything. I'm talking to him getting killed. killed at the end in jail.

But so, okay, like, because this is my whole thing is like, you're obviously talking about things that you haven't done, don't want to do. No, wrong. When you're really talking about mutilating someone's body cutting it up. I don't know. Wrong. Hold on, hold on. You do want to do it.

No, let's clarify. Let's clarify. Some things I've done, some things I don't. Fat Joe, obviously is respected for his street cred. He said he hasn't killed 100 people before. You think you got a couple? I don't know. I'm not going to talk about a dude like that

and say something stupid and make myself an asshole. For sure. You know what I mean? I'm going to have respect because that's part of the street shit I'm talking about. You know what I mean?

We don't cross the line and say dumb shit. But he said that publicly. He said, I can't, in my raps, da, da, da. Right. Because everyone in hip hop, Dr. Dre murdered 100 people. Right.

In his, in his verses, did he really? We don't know if somebody did something. Now, if you're asking me, have I bludgeoned people? I made the news in Perth, Australia, for bludgeoning some dude in the middle of the street. I broke his fucking jaw.

What did you bludgeon him with? I haven't bludgeoned it a long time. Oh, okay. Here's the difference between me. When Necro gets locked up violently, it's because I'm using my fists against somebody. Once again, just respectfully and clearfully, not bragging.

Okay, I'm from the street. You're not playing me. I ain't no bitch. So if we got beef, we bang out. anybody who's real is going to say, I got you. I get it. I'm not trying to run around and shoot people.

I don't need to shoot you if I can punch you in your fucking face. Right. Do you understand what I'm saying? Plus it's a different culture. In the white culture, kids are more likely to shoot the five with the fist, maybe a bat.

Like, you know what I'm saying? It's in this new culture, the black rap, trap and all that that they're murdering each other. Like, I don't think it should happen. They should just shoot the fair one. I think... That would be nice. Look, man, if you got a beef with somebody,

I mean, you can set it on him, but why are you shooting him and killing him? Here's the thing. Are you getting, I believe like this, if you're going to shoot and kill someone, get away with it then. Right. Like, if you're not getting away with it.

Don't make a song about it? No, if you really, here's what I'm trying to say. Understand what I'm, understand this logic. Right. If you're going to shoot somebody, get away with it. Only a moron shoot someone

and gets arrested in the heat of the moment at the county fair. Fuck that heat of the moment bullshit. Right. Okay. These dudes are waking up deciding which cereal they're going to eat. They can make a fucking decision. Oh, shoot or not today. Right.

Okay. You're doing it because you're dumb and fucking ignorant. And here's a problem. If you don't have fucking family members that taught you anything, anything, that's crazy. Like, nobody? And in this day and age, like, if you wanted to kill somebody in the 80s, for sure, I believe you could get away with it. In this day and age, you've really got the odds against you.

Here's what you got to understand. you're going to tell me how easy it is for you to kill people? Anybody can get it. Anybody, yes. Anybody can get it if they decide they want to get you. If somebody decided tomorrow they want to get you, and it's really, really, they really have a fucking problem with you. Yeah.

There's a good chance they can unless you go out of your way to thwart it. Very few people have designed their lifestyle in such a way that there are no holes in their security. Dimebag got shot on stage. John Lennon got murdered in front of his building. No rapper or no band ever thought. that was a possibility. They never knew that that was a possibility. So this is why I'm very careful. I'm aware of my own mortality enough that I don't think I'm all that. I'm aware that flesh bleeds. I rap about how easy it is for the flesh to be chopped off and that a machete can destroy you.

So you want to be more careful. You understand? You want to value your own fucking life. You want to at least feel like you got something to lose. Here's the thing. A lot of these kids, maybe they don't feel they have anything to lose. Oh, definitely. If you feel like you have nothing to lose at all, you're going to do some fucked up shit. Remember, I knew I had something to lose going back to my 20s as necro. A lot of kids are basically like indoctrinated into the gang shit at such an early age that it just doesn't even seem like there's an option or another way. There's nothing that could be cooler than sliding on your ops on behalf of the older dudes who basically have taken you in and protected you and giving you the sense of identity.

But here's the thing. If that's gang shit, if that's gang shit, then that's gang shit. Yeah. If you're a rapper now, an MC that wants to build a business and wrap the culture of hip hop,

it's a little different. But you love violent, gory music, but... I don't love it. Okay, how do I... Part of you that looks at drill music

and is like... I don't listen to drill music. Right. Never have. You've heard a little bit of it, I'm assuming, right? I don't like... Is there something about the realism there

that is interesting to you? I don't like non-lirical, hip hop and I don't like hip hop that doesn't sample shit. Right. Okay? So you can say I'm stuck in 1990. I'm stuck in Boombap. Everything to me revolves around digging records.

Really? Finding incredible, yeah, because that's my fucking culture. Still, the samples are that big a part of it. That's interesting. I love it. Because I feel like... Ask Pete Rock what he thinks about samples. Ask Premier.

Yeah. He thinks about samples. I think the loss of samples has been like the greatest loss for hip hop. When you think about the culture moving away from it because they wanted to monetize 100% of the record. What do you think my name is was? sample was it yeah yeah so what i'm trying to say is even a guy like dray who adds the keyboard well wow wow he'll add the the brake on the bottom boom boom he'll take fucking uh on gin and juice

he samples fucking kC and the sunshine band do to dun to dun to dun to da da da da no right uh what's it called i get lifted yeah it because a drill beat yes some of it sometimes it might be evil right i don't like the i don't like the pat tat tat tat drums i don't like the 808s no i like shit No. I don't blame you. I like a 808. Okay. If it's a guy playing drums, boom, boom da, boom, ba, boom da, but boom da, but boom, da. But boom, you can put that right on the kick.

Right. But it's different. It's boom bap. There's something about boom bap. Yeah. That a certain culture, we love it. Obviously millions love it, bro. I got 500,000 people.

Faster and faster, right? Like the beats now are ridiculous out. There's so much happening. It's so fast. It's crazy. And now when you listen to like slower songs, even from a couple years ago, go from those same artists. Like what artist

are you talking? Give me an example. A lot of guys like fucking, a lot of these drill beats and stuff, you listen to somebody like Lil Dirk or anybody, young boy, where... I'm not familiar with that music. I mean, not because... One day we're going to sit around on stream and I'm going to play you hella current artists. That would be fucking interesting. If you wanted to do some reaction shit with us. That's a great idea. I mean, I'm open

to shit, you know what I mean? Like, but I'm not going to lie to you. You know what I'm... I know, you're going to love this thing. No, because you know what it is? When you're a rapper, we only got 24 hours in a day. Right. Right. Eight hours was supposed to sleep, even though most workers like us we don't sleep eight hours then you got to go to the gym you got to eat food how much time do we have to work on our own shit yeah i don't blame so i got limited times i i did i almost stop myself i don't want to get into the fucking wormhole or the tunnel of every fucking

motherfucker because it gets to the point now every fan is a rapper i want to ask you this how do you reflect on a lot of times now people use gatekeeping as like a negative thing i think you hate gatekeepers yes you but you come from an era in which of the gatekeeping protecting the sanctity of hip hop and real lyricism and real rapping was of the utmost They would try to protect it from me now we live in an era in which it's like the gloves are off Fuck it do whatever you want you know it's like like how have you kind of adapted to that in a society where I'll tell you why part of it happened part of it happened because a lot of the dudes who are older dudes now right um didn't know how to do it independently so I'll give you like a metaphor I go up a mountain right

independently. I get to the top. I fight King Kong. It took me 10 years to get up to the mountain. I had to fight all the ghosts and gondlets that try to get me. I'm strong now. I know how to defeat King Kong when he's up there now. I can shoot him with my blowgun. You know what I'm saying? King Kong goes to the bottom. I stay at the top. Major label rappers, people that were out in 1990 to 2000 that had deals with the Tommy boys and this and that company and that. They got flown right to the top of the mountain. They never learned the skills of independence that we had to learn of us independent guys

and all the murder and hell we went through of putting every dollar into every, I pressed up every sampler myself, I went into the street. A lot of these people had street teams paid for them, everything done for them. They're sitting on their ass in the studio with 20 people smoking, blah, blah, blah,

they didn't learn anything. So what happens now when they're older dudes now, they're 40 or 35, and they have their kids and they never knew how to be independent? They're not teaching their kids to preserve hip hop. They might even hate hip hop.

And here's a sad thing, and I don't want to bring it up because you didn't bring it up. But a lot of these dudes blaming white people for why their shit fucked up when it's white guys that would invest it in

everybody's fucking career. Right? So it's very easy to say, you know, oh, the reason that we're not popping anymore is because the white guy signed me to a bad deal. No, the white guy invested in you

and blew you up and you started getting groupies around the fucking world and shows at 20 G's a pop and you decided to fuck your money up. Wait, let me finish. You fucked your money up and you decided

not to teach these new kids about real hip hop because you're fucking bitter, okay? Because if you think about it, if any new kids don't know about Boombap and because you said keeping it real, it's because these older hip hop guys are not teaching them.

I've kind of allowed it to become the status quo and not know anything about your history. Because they give a fuck about the younger generation because they feel they got screwed. Right. Just think about it. If you're a 90s guy, and then I'm being 100.

A white guy signs you, puts up 150,000. you put your album out you make some money you go around the world da da da da shit doesn't ain't popping on your third fourth album now you don't know how to do it independent you don't even have the drive anymore right first thing you're doing is telling people oh oh shit failed because white guy owes me money i hear that because i hear it used to be like it's fucking deafening how many times i hear that it's the guy that invested in you which is the reason your career is dead but you always you always had a more steady not crazy viral career that you always had a more steady not crazy viral career

never had these crazy peaks, right? Right, but I maintain, but I maintain diehard fans one by one that I kicked it with and spoke to and met in person and shook their fucking hands and talked to them through every fucking platform where a lot of these bigger rappers think, I ain't talking to these motherfuckers.

You know what I'm saying? Like, yo, I get my own fans asking me, all these other rappers have people running their social media. You don't, NECRO? I'm like, I'm shocked. Why would you let another person talk to your people. Right.

That's like you being a politician and you're not talking to the people you want to vote. Well, they don't write their own speeches. No, but you at least get it to the street and talk to the people. True. You can't, you have to at least do that.

Yeah, yeah. In the least, you've got to go to Ohio and shake a fucking hand. The Gaykeeper thing, when I was saying that, when I'm thinking about those, the days of rap where it actually seemed important for somebody like you to challenge what was being played on the radio.

Whereas in this day and age, there's so many different underground scenes. and people who do all the shit. And they don't give a fuck about what's being playing on the radio because everybody gets it. Oh, the radio is just Just fucked up shit is, you're right. Mainstream people driving in their cars.

Who gives the fuck about what they're listening to, right? But that seemed like an existential threat to real hip hop at the time. You're right. Yes. At a certain point, KRS called out Soldier Boy. Oh, yeah. And everyone went against IceT and KRS. You old motherfuckers.

You're fucking, how dare you dis Soldier Boy? Young Black brother coming up. Instead of saying, yeah, he might be a young black brother, but he sucks. Let me tell you something about the black community. And people watching maybe like, shut the fuck up. I get it. I'm not trying to insult anybody. I'm making a point here.

In the black community, you can be a horrible, atrocious black rapper and get accepted. But if you're a lyrical Puerto Rican or a lyrical white kid, you're being compared to Eminem and you're not as good as Eminem and fuck you. You can be the truest motherfucker to the game. And they'll be, fuck that corny. white shit or whatever oh you know what why is he not you know he ain't big pun he ain't you know me like you but you could take a soldier boy so dude dude that biggest fucking thing ever you could have a thousand terrible black rappers and here's what the black community says well it's a

black brother coming up in the game but the optics were wait wait let me finish me please please just want to get the point out right the black community will say but that's a young black brother exactly make it something out of nothing but kRS challenged it and said nah You're whack. Yeah. KRS say you are whack. Right. And people called KRS a hater.

The optics are, yeah. The optics are grumpy old man who's angry at the new kid who's just making something out the dirt from nothing. Why do you think nobody's doing it? I'm just saying that's what. And then KRS got at Nelly. Because Nellie had that song on number one. And KRS got insulted. He's like, oh, that's my shit.

The R.S. 1 ain't picking those fights anymore, though. Oh, of course he's not because he learned his lesson. But at the time, he felt, okay? But here's the thing. But that KERS won't realize how much the game had changed, that nobody gives a fuck. It's not about who's the best rapper or whatever.

Nelly was platinum. Nellie was platinum. He's number one like that. And here's the joke. KRS got bombarded by Nelly fans. So he's now, he's hearing his whole circle. He can't even hear the sound of his own fans anymore. Right.

It's Nelly fans now. You fucking old fuck, you suck. Da, da, da. When KRS is a guy. God of hip hop. KRS is reading his Twitter mentions in 2009, like, what in the hell? Listen, I don't know him personally. We met him at Rock the Bells.

When I played Rock the Bells in 2010, I was on Rock the Bells. Remember the festival? Okay, and we met KRS, and he was mad cool. I call KRS, I am my jewels, which were way iller than this. This is for sale to my fans. I sell this, like in my store. Really? But there was a point where I had like $10,000 jewels.

and I'm at Rock the Bells and KRS is like grilling my jewels I felt good about that I was like oh shit KRS the legend is checking my jewels out You think he was trying to snatch your shit? Nah There was only like three people

that had dope jewels that rocked the bells Rayquan Buster Necro and Slick Rick Slick to Rick Rick obviously shout out the ill is jewelry ever How do you think of the bad boy era in retrospect

We hated the bad boy era At the time Even if we like Look at it now Because now you hear More Money More Problems It's like woo this is a sign of 1998 it was a great year yada yada but at that time it seemed like an existential threat

to rap music right it was a little gay well it was a little gay because it was on m tv it had a shiny suits yeah the shiny suits and because you have like the hardest for had lyricists the jada kisses and the styles p were like fuck that shit we're marching around with signs we're protested in the shiny suits i remember that yeah listen mace was nice mace is a nice rapper because he originally is killer uh yeah was a killer mace yeah murder mace Sorry. So it's like he was originally murder Mace.

He was originally murder Mace. They just have to rap about killing people, right? No, you don't like him once he got fly. I'm going to tell you why I did what I did. Okay, because I realized that I was not going to be able to compete with Mobb Deep. I didn't have a deal.

They were out. They were in every magazine. I knew I was bringing something to the table that nobody else was doing. Right. Okay, people were doing horror core. Horrorcore is when you were kind of cheesy. The beach weren't boom bap.

They weren't New York sounding. They didn't have the edge of like a Pete Rock, large professor, Premier, Molly Mall type Dre beat. They were more like Cassio beats, like, you know, like corny horror. I didn't like that. I was like, the way I'm rapping is lyrical like Nas, but I'm rapping brutal. And here's the funny thing. People act like, oh, you're rapping brutal.

It's crazy. There's dudes in the hood to get the brains blown out every fucking day. That's not a gore scene? Yeah. It is. It's gore. It's on the floor. Little kids are seeing it.

But you would take it worse than that. I mean, I'd be like, I'm stripping your intestines from your stomach. I wish I had, like, a lyric sheet of your, of your, worst lyrics right here. If the line calls for it. But remember, I'm also mixing it with the name of a horror director. Yeah. I might mention fucking, you know, Phyllis Diller.

I might talk about murdering people in the same line by mentioning Phyllis Diller's spine. It's all lyrically. Remember, we're incorporating culture. One thing that my crew would do that a lot of people who didn't do was we would incorporate and mention a metal band or a metal album. So now anyone who's a metal head catches that line. Oh, shit. mentioned H. G. Lewis, who put out the first gore flick in 1960. So now the horror heads,

like, do that. It's not just like, I'm going to kill you. You understand? It's not as simple as it's lyricism. But yeah, we're throwing in intestines in there. Because here's the reality. Every day in the police deal with the fucking morgue area and they're opening people up. It's called, what you want to say is you're rapping taboo subject matter. Do you write? Do you want to? Do you watch murders on YouTube? Or, Not on YouTube, but on the internet. I mean, it depends. I don't go out of my way.

I know some people, like, we've had sites in the past that are basically just like Colombian drug dealers getting their fucking faces cut off. And then it's some cartel dude. I saw that recently. Lighting some bitch on fire burning her hair off fucking all the, the no other shit ever. I'm one of the first dudes on my albums that I mentioned faces of death shit. Right. Remember the faces of death VHS?

Is there anything that you like about seeing that? Would that inspire you? Would you sit down and watch that shit before you go on the stew? It's not. not about that. No. It's not about me. No, I'm not Jeff Dahmer where I'm into getting turned on. I like art. I like creating hip hop that's brutal. Right. And I like the fact that when you hear it, you're going to hear something that you're not going to hear from another rapper. Right. Because if I was to do thug shit like every other dude from Queens did, we're just going to be behind

Mob Deep. Because everybody always said, Mob Deep is Iller. Nas is Hiller. So you got a lot of these dudes that were good, but they didn't stand out. Notice Necro in 2022. I'm the King of Death Rap. Right. I got my own shit. Nobody can challenge it. Right. So how do you look at yourself in comparison to all like the hardcore artists from the past? Because, oh yeah, one thing I, when I think of, when I think of your career trajectory, I kind of feel like in some ways you could have had the same thing that happened to ICP. ICP got canceled for being offensive.

And granted, they had them viral marketing gimmick of wearing the makeup and everything. But it feels like. And I always. Interesting that you mentioned ICP. I always wonder if I see. history with them. I wonder if the label was in on that. If the label, like, sort of strategically was like,

we're going to get it pulled from shells because it's going to be on the news. Because I want to talk ICP with me? Sure, yeah. Okay. ICP, okay, first of all, shout out to Violin Jay and his brother. Shout on. Jump steady. Yeah.

If I messed up anything, you know, my bad. Okay. They're cool dudes. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I haven't always saw eye to eye with the juggalo community. Okay. You know what I mean?

Like on certain things because ICP are like headlining of everything. Right. And in my world, Necro's a headliner. So it clashes. You know what I'm saying? Okay. But they're cool dudes. But now we're going to talk reality.

Right. Okay. In New York City, nobody was listening to ICP. It was not respected. Seems fair. It would be considered as whack hip hop. Right. In the Midwest, that's where they blew up.

Okay? So when I was coming up, nobody was listening to that. I've even spoken with Violin J on the phone. And he admits, yeah, Necro, I know you're that lyrical shit and I'm whatever. Their biggest fan base was in the flyover. States. Let's be right. And you got to understand one thing about ICP. Okay. That's way different than NECRO. ICP says that they're the most underground band ever, blah, blah, blah. They had an MTV hit, my homies, which got played regular rotation on MTV. You're not underground anymore if

MTV plays you with regular rotation. In my opinion, let's see. We probably used to play like random cannibal corpse videos twice a week and shit like that, right? No, no, but ICP, my homies was getting regular rotation with, with, but don't you think that I'm getting canceled by Disney? Disney was the thing that actually made them part of the public consciousness. No, they had fans at that point. They were building their shit. I just think they got so much bigger from that. I don't know.

I can't speak on that. Ultimate marketing. All I can say is they were always underground doing their thing, but they eventually got a deal. I think it was on deaf American or something. And they had a video out and it blew them up way bigger. Yeah. Okay.

I've never had anything like that. Having that moment of the labels and the media pumping you up. Yeah. A lot of artists still have a career 20 years later. and it's really just because they had like six months of the label trying to like really put them in front of the mainstream. Okay. And I never had that. Yeah.

So I've never been privileged enough. I always wanted that. Yeah. And here's a crazy thing about that world. All those dudes that got a major deal at one point all think they're iller and better than a necro. There's a huge ego. Even if you listen to early rap in the 90s, it was thrown into lines because you can't get a deal. Because I'm dope it in you because I got a deal.

getting a deal was the ultimate conquest of that you're legit now. Because there was almost no way to make it without that. Right. You are the rare exception. So if you're a guy who blew up in 93 on Tommy Boy, you look at Necro's, you aren't good enough to get a deal. Right. But if you look at their Spotify this month,

they might have 250,000 monthly listeners off a song that's really being just put on a 90s playlist where my 500,000 is real fans that are buying merch this week that will buy tickets to a show, where that artist, if they do a show now, they got to go on like a 90s fucking festival with 50 fucking people. It's different, man.

They didn't build up independent fucking business. Right. I learned from Master P. Master P is with my biggest influence. When I saw, I was not going to get a record deal and they were going to be all about Eminem and all that. In 97, 98, I've seen Master P talking in interviews

and he was breaking down how to do it out of the trunk. In a way that Shug wasn't, in a way that Puffy wasn't, in a way that even Baby Williams wasn't. Master P would literally have paragraphs of saying you could press the CD up for a dollar and sell it for eight and get the distributor. And that was blowing my mind away.

Right. Fuck, okay. These motherfuckers are going to not give me a deal? Okay, then I'm going to fucking, I'll make 50 Gs real quick. Right. You know, and I ended up grossing a million out of my apartment in 2004.

Yeah. But you know what's fucked up about grossing a million? It costs me 900,000 to make it. Yeah. Because back then, for every 10,000 I made, I had to spend 9 Gs on either videos or stickers

or sample CDs or co-op advertising or sales fucking guy. Always some scumbag coming to take the fucking money away. And so I grow some million dollars right out of my fucking crib, claustrophobic. CDs everywhere, you can't even move. But it costed me 900,000.

And I got burnt out. Yeah. You know, so it's, you know, listen, man, it's all part of the game. In the end of the day, everyone's got a path. Right. You can't cry about what someone. did or whatever listen this is why i say spotify is relevant forget about worrying about these trap

fuckheads right worry about the people that you might respect and look at their spotifies right what that means is if nobody's checking for them they don't have fans currently right so a human being sits today what am i going to listen to on spotify today let me listen to you know old native tongue shit then that's what they're going to look up right and that's why if you look up tribe coal quest I bet they're 3 million or whatever now. Okay. They look up Necro. Ba-da-bye.

You saw what I have. Right. Some artists, they're not popping right now. That means they're not relevant in 2022. They just, whatever they fucking had popping, it ain't relevant no more, bro. And you want to know why? Because they're fucking lazy probably. Yeah.

They don't put in work. Yeah. You still put it in work. Bro, I got a fucking, do you know how whack social media is? Every 24 hours, it dead's what you posted the day before. This is true. So you got to keep fucking posting. Yeah.

Oh, and here's another thing. If you post, I post it up, I'll give you an example. Right now I'm shadow banned on Instagram. Ah. Because I posted up a fight with Mexican chicks at my LA show. And they were banging the fuck out. And I thought it was a cool thing to clip the post up. Right.

Because of that, my reels can't monetize. Like, yo, they're bastards, bro. Instagram, Facebook. Yo, they're fucked up. Think about how my- They shit on musicians. Like, back in the day, if I saw that, if I saw two chicks fight in the show, I would have filmed and put it on my story.

Now I'm terrified and I wouldn't do it. So I'm just, it would immediately pop in my head. I don't look at my Instagram. So you're right. The other day I was filming with my homie, he's pouring lean up, whatever. Yeah. I don't really drink lean like that, but I think it looks cool. I'm a hip hop participant.

I realize it's a part of the culture. I immediately as soon as I see him doing that, ah, jerk the camera away. I don't want to show that on camera because I'm not trying to get my fucking story removed. Do you like, oh, oh, oh. And I really, normally this is like, do you sip lean? Once in a blue, but this is just what's going on? Lean right now will be a problem on Instagram? How do they know?

How do they know what I'm saying? Even YouTube. You think someone's reporting? For sure. Okay, so think about how crazy that is that the drink could just be in a cup. Yeah. No, but he's pouring it out of the pharmaceutical bottle into the soda. Yeah.

It's a little bit more obvious. Hey, this is not the most interesting thing that we could discuss towards the end of this interview. But I just want to ask this because I want to put a bow on a conversation that prior had on this. And it's the reason why we started talking. And again that led to us being here right now is the fact that I had NEMS on. And he's a big representative of New York right now and everything.

And part of his story is that early on, you took him in and had him on tour with him and everything. Can we talk about this time period in your life? Sure. Yeah. So basically in like 2004, I would probably say psychological records, which I call PLR, my company, my record label, was the hottest in the underground. Okay. I had released that year, Mr. Hyde's album, it'll Bill Sullo album. Gortex,

Subbac, Circle of Tyrants, the sexist album. I dropped like 10 albums in 12 months. The underground went nuts. And I had marketing behind it. I was in Tower Records

fucking light boxes. I was in magazine XXL. I had a deal with Select the hits. Select the hits of the guys that originally signed it was the son of Sam Phillips who signed Elvis. They're in Memphis, Tennessee.

They're a distro company. I did a fucking million dollar deal with them. They would put 500,000 up to match my 500,000. So I would make every album and blah, blah, blah, blah. That's the year that I grossed a million dollars

and whatever and all that. After that didn't really go the way I wanted it to go in 2004. You know, came 2006. I did a lot of touring. 2007, a lot of touring. I said around 2008, I want to rebuild up my roster.

I was still trying to, you know, be like a Wu-Tang or a cash money or, you know what I mean? like we're Master P, figuring if I drop, you know, 10 albums, everyone makes money. The whole crew's loving it. I'm making money. It's fucking win-win. Like, I'm down to help people.

And remember, I'm also a producer. Right. I can make banging beats. So I'm like, you know, I'll produce people. So during, like, that time frame, I had one of the dopest message boards in underground hip-hop. Wow. The Necro hip-hip forum. It was called the Go-Fuck Yourself Forum and anyone can post on it.

I can't believe I never ended up on that. There was only two people on the, I mean, two other, there was only two people in the underground that had forums. Right. This Jerkoff who did undergroundhiphop.com. Okay. And that was like very big to almost everybody. Yeah.

And mine was more niche with anybody, you know, could have been juggalo's, horrorcore, any rappers or whatever. I miss the message boards. And it was on mine. It was the necro hip-hop message board. And this was the main forum, the go fuck yourself forum. Right. On this message board, I would feature go-gore, Polaro, Polaro, and.

It was nobody was doing this This goes back to 1999. I'm one of the first guys on the internet rappers that had a message board And I was using it to market myself Because I saw it could connect me with people Yeah

And so it was awesome A new song drops You put it up You get 100 people commenting You know what I'm saying It was like it was before Facebook It's like the most hardcore version of that too though Because those are your real fans

That internet's so new That they're gonna fuck with Whatever the fuck you put out there That's like you're real fans It was amazing. It's not like Facebook where you feel lucky to hit 5% of them, you know? I felt good connecting. I also felt good connecting, you know, with Facebook too.

You know, social media, before they started censoring everything with this COVID shit, it was a good thing, I point Facebook and all that. So I was trying to build a roster at that point. There was a dude on my message board named them's murder fest. Right. I'm assuming it was him. Yeah. He said he hadn't heard of my shit yet, but he heard of I need drugs.

Everyone in Brooklyn knew me. Yeah. I need drugs was fucking popular. Not only that, I had give out 100 samplers to everybody in Brooklyn. I would drive to every hood and see every kid and give them and let them sell for me. I had kids selling my CDs. I need drugs CDs like drugs. So I would give you 20.

You would pay me back 13 and you could keep eight. So I would make, let's say, six bucks, let's say, or five bucks a CD. Something like that. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. You're like the distributor, yeah. And I had mad kids doing it.

And I would, you know what I said? So everybody knew who the fuck I was. There's no not knowing me. Okay. You knew who the fuck Necro was. Right. You know what I'm saying? It just, that's a fact.

Okay. But anyway, long story short, on the message board, there was NEMS murder fest. That's how I saw his shit. You know what I'm saying? It was, you know, it had to have been him. Who the fuck was it? Right. Nobody knew him at the time.

So on the message board posted up the video where he sampled that verb sample. I saw it. You know, I was like, oh, this dude is Irish, uh, Puerto Rican. Interesting. He's from the area. let me message him right i checked the temperature pause like you know to see if he was cool like what up what are you doing i because my whole thing was i wasn't trying to get played so i'm like what are you doing now you got anything popping not really nothing you're not down with any label

nothing you know like no there's no interest maybe he told me he had fucked things up with rigs morales and all that stuff i don't know if he got that deep and i don't know if it was off my space which he said maybe, maybe not. But that's how I first got wind of him on my message board. Okay. You know, and then we put him down. You know what I mean? And then a lot of what he said is true.

I took him with me to Cali. When I went to Cali, just so you understand, the big shit I did at that time, I pressed up 100,000 samplers on the sampler. He was Necro, Mr. Hyde, Nems, and other artists. And we went into the street. I'm talking through Hollywood Boulevard everywhere. Anyone that looked hip-hop hit him with a sampler.

then did shows. I have a show, it's actually, it's on my Vimeo with NEMS on stage with me, and Asa Akira getting fucking naked. Huge fan of mine. Wow. Fuck her, though,

because she don't show no love anymore. But at the time, she was on the dick. She never hits me up either. I'm trying to interview her. She didn't DM me back, so I'm with you on that. Yeah, she's mad shady. Not fuck her, but you know what it is, though? At the time, Joey Silvera, the porn star, was a good friend of mine.

Okay. And he let me shoot at his house. He said he would, all the girls that were necro fans at the time, because of my track, Who's your daddy? Right. You ever heard who's your daddy? I think so, yeah, yeah. Necro, the sexist, the pawn king, show me the breast is on the best of

is. Yeah. A foul shit, bounce at me. Degrading, the craving, the bouchery. You're naked on the couch at me. Bitch getting fucked in your ass through your fish nets, cutting quips. You're bound to eat shit next. That was one of the biggest things with, you're fucked up, dude.

When you put it like that, when you say without a beat, it's like, damn, what a weird. What a guy. I know people are watching now, they're going to have no clue who I am, so I'm going to give a little context. Anyway, she's at that show with NEMS, you know, on stage, just to give you a little context.

You know, Joey Silverra was at the show. So we tore through Cali. Well, I did the Who's a Daddy video with Ron Jeremy in the video, Max Hardcore, Eric Everhard. A lot of legends, sir. Oh, mad legends.

It was crazy. And here's the thing. The video, Who's your Daddy video, obviously was too foul for YouTube. So I'm the first dude to get millions, three to four million on World Star hip hop before Little Wayne blew up. Really?

So yeah, there was a point where you would go to World Star and type in search, and my video had four million views. So that was at a time where the dude Q, who passed, he was kind of being cool with me. And then when fucking Little Wayne blew up, remember it was the time with Little Wayne catapulted, crazy? So now every video of his constantly, Then World Star became mad shady,

showed me no fucking love. Really? Yeah, but two of my videos had like three to four million each. Because remember, YouTube won't play that kind of content. Yeah. They'll take it right down. So, you know, I went through a lot of phases with a lot of these fuckheads. And what happens is they're all front on you in the end.

Right. Here's the way people are. They'll front on you until someone else bigger comes around. They suck their dick and shit on you. And so a guy like me, you know, because I didn't blow up Eminem level, I just got to keep my shit going. I keep I keep I'm longevity but okay with the NEMS thing how long was it good for and was he said six months with the reality hide wasn't NEMs down for like a year and a half at least

definitely was no six months right he's down for like a year and a half was the drug thing a huge problem from the beginning no he makes it sound like he was living the real life version of I need drugs he was there was times where he would be nodding out literally noon right in the day in the van as we're about to leave and I'd be like oh wake up you know what I'm saying but at the same time I'm not going to mention this dude's name. I smacked one of the dudes on the tour for offering NEMs drugs. Really?

Yeah, I won't mention his name because I'm not trying to be a dick about it. And if you're sober, it's got to be tough to be around somebody who's getting that fucked up, right? We're getting ready to go to the hotel. I'm trying to help NEMS get clean. I want to see him. He's on the label. Right.

I put money up. Yeah. I put him on the cover with us on Hip Hop Connection, the biggest UK magazine. Right. Hip Hopped, Hide, Nems, and the other guys. And this one dude offers Nems drugs at the hotel, and I hear it in the car.

I pulled the car over. I slapped this dude for the 7-Eleven. I'm like, yo, B, you fucking crazy? Yeah. But I'm not going to mention the guy's name because I don't want to diss him.

So people won't know who it is. But he had to get slapped for that because you disrespect him, brother. Kai is fucking addicted, man. You don't offer him nothing, man. You don't understand what I'm saying? And you respect me because I put money up and we're out here.

We're here to do shit. I'm not out here for you to fucking do drugs with motherfuckers. I'm trying to blow up the record label. bro right but you know part in that guy because he was young he didn't know better you know young and fucking dumb but basically um me parting ways with nems wasn't just because of the drug shit there was points where nems literally called me up three times a week to come get money for me really yeah i was giving him money well that's because of the drug shit probably i'm just saying

there'd be times where yo negro can i slide by and get like two 300 put it on the tab i didn't want to do it but you're part of the label you know I'll be like, bro, you're not using it for whatever. Nah, I need it for food or whatever. So I'm like, you're part of the label, whatever. Long story short, what really, really, really happened was I had a fucking deal with Koch, Koch. Do you remember Koch?

The good old days of everybody on Dipset was signed to Koch. Right around that time. It's like putting your project out through like Empire now. Okay. So I had a deal with Koch for death wrap and that dropped in 2007. And I was still in contract with them but without the manager. And I go down to Koch. and I want to do a new deal to amend my contract.

And I sit with the executives. And I say, I'm going to release these guys, NEMS being one of them, part of my roster. And I'm going to put up 50 Gs that's going to cover the albums and sample CDs and all the shit I just did, you know, that I've been doing, you know, or I think I had started to do it a little bit. And you match me with 50,000 in marketing.

And together, you know, and so it was like 100,000 for each of these guys I was going to make for them. This is like 2008. these guys didn't have a pot to pissing not one of these guys had money okay and they didn't know how to hustle like me they were watching me and learning right cautious scumbags went back on everything they agreed with me the executives will foulness yeah totally totally no honor how did i fuck up because i already had to deal with them and so we were going to amend it and i trusted them and because you know how everything's slow in the business i was hot to get shit popping and i had all these tours going so i put all that money up

when I told you on the cover of the magazines, the fucking tours, little videos, the promotions, the sample of CDs. I put all this money up. Koch didn't match what I put up. Fuck me.

So I had to go back to these guys and be like, yo, I can't really do what I said I was going to do because Koch just fucked me up. You got a choice. You could stick with me if you want, but you might have to wait a year or two or whatever. Or, you know,

go your own way. And, you know, I wanted most of them to pay me back and recoup what I've done. put in, you know, I would say 50% of them paid me back. Really? I ain't going to get into who didn't because then, you know, this is going to make me call that person a douchebag.

Right. You know what I'm saying? But whatever the case was, some of them paid me back. Some of them I took it as like, you know something? Like in Bronxdale, you know, when it's like you paid to just get someone out of your life. Yeah. It was like that. Like, okay, you know, I'd say go your way.

I go my way. You can never say nothing bad about me because you know I genuinely helped you. Right. So NEMS knows. Okay. So number one, shout out to NEMS. Right. Because I didn't do that.

So no hard feelings or what? A little bit of hard feelings. It's 2022 right now, you know what I'm saying? Nah. You know what I'm saying? I mean, listen, look at it like this. You know, shout out to anyone that's successful that does their hustle. If you put in the grind, you're going to get it.

You know, just like I got it. I had it years ago. I still have it right now. I'm living off my shit. I ain't work for anybody in 20 years. I own everything you've seen on that Spotify. Every master. I get paid off of it all.

Okay. And my numbers are bigger than all the people that I help. almost every rapper at the very least has a chapter in their career where they were getting fucked or where they don't own their projects whatever it's still in the red oh it's so weird to know that you own all of it oh most of these dudes are fucking they'll never get this shit back from cold chilling yeah or Tommy boy fucking de la so had a whole nightmare with those guys think about being naz and they everybody wants to do shit they want to do a pop-up they want to do a pop-up they want to do a merch line that promotes Illmatic he's like I'm making money off my new

shit I don't make any money off of the Illmatic Want to get something crazy about Elmatic? Yeah. So when I did the Godfather's album, a Kooji rap, right? I go to Nas one day and I'm checking. And it's not the official Illmatic listing of the album. It's a playlist on his Spotify made by somebody who had access to his Spotify. You can't have access to the Spotify unless you're part of the label or your Nas.

It's going to be either, you know what I'm saying? Me or you couldn't do it. Right. Okay. And it's an Illmatic Play. and on the last song of Illmatic is the song with me and G rap, the city. Somebody down with Nas put my godfather's song on the Illmatic Nas playlist and it's still been there for the last 10 fucking years.

Are you serious? Yeah. You're probably getting a shitload of plays on that for no reason. For no reason? Well, obviously for a reason. Well, no, but here's the cool thing. You mentioned Elmatic. The person, some fan out there was working for Nas or the label and looked out.

and was like, yo, this, this, this golf, all this shit is fire. Let me throw this shit up on there. Or maybe, like, once in a while, I'll be going to, like, save a video to watch it later, and I'll accidentally save it to, like, my interviews tab. So it'll be on the home page of no jumper for, like, a couple hours. Like, maybe he didn't realize he was logged in his Nas. He's like, I want to put this on my playlist. Imagine.

Accidentally adds it to the El Maddie playlist. I mean, that's fucking crazy. Well, here's the thing. I'm going to assume, because of Nas' level, he probably didn't create the Nas playlist. That was probably someone at the label that thought it was a good idea. Because I don't do that anymore. There was a time I made like an I Need Drugs playlist.

But people streamed the I Need Drugs album. They don't put it to the playlist. So that was probably something right when Spotify was popping that people thought might get it more popping. So it's a label thing. Someone at the label was fucking with our shit. Right. In a good way.

Were you surprised when NEMS went viral recently for the Bing Bong shit and all that? Surprised? I mean, listen. You believed him in a long time ago. Apparently you got a pretty good eye for talent. Listen, you got to understand. NEMs, it took NEMS years ago.

This guy's putting shit out since 2005. You're talking almost 20 years of grinding to get to this level. You're supposed to get to a certain level like this. Listen, listen, I might not be popping like that right now viral on that level. But you look at my numbers though. My Spotify numbers. My listenership around the planet is 10 times bigger than NEMS's numbers now. But NEMS will appear to be more viral than me on Instagram.

It's different things. For instance, there's some people that are going to pop on Instagram. because of shit that they're doing. Like he blew up with the side talk and those guys and that shit. I do comedy. I got a comedy channel, but my shit ain't blowing up like that. But that could happen or not.

It's weird. Going viral can happen. But the point I'm trying to say is NEMS has been doing what he's been doing. Right. It just happened. He looked out like that. For instance, let's say right now, 50 cent took a liking to Necro.

Right. I would blow up amazingly huge because of all the work I put in. all the shit I did and then now I'm with 50 and we're punching people in the face together Right Mad people would be like oh oh I knew he was dope Gee unit Listen I slept on Necro

50 says he's dope You understand So you got to understand When somebody blows up In a commercial state It now brings that energy on that You know what I'm saying But for me

Bro I told you bro Nems told you he was with me on tour I had porn stars at my shows Yeah This is 10 years ago So everyone, listen, not everyone gets a point where they could get to my level. Not everybody gets to a point where they could get to his level. And some people will never ever.

Here's the funny thing. Don't compare yourself to Eminem because 99% of rappers will never be as big as Eminem or Drake. Right. You gotta really, the glass is half full. Yeah. Look at the glass and say, okay, it's not half empty because I'm not him and I'm not that level. I'm, look at it like where you're at. Well, bro, I have not worked for anybody for 20 years.

I live off my shit. Money comes in. I just fucking got just a random shit, bro. I got 10, I'm not bragging, but people should hear it because it can inspire them. I got over 10 multiple streams of income.

Right. I get paid off digital. I get paid off physical. I get paid off merch. I get paid off shows. I get paid off collaboes. I get paid off ASCAP. I get paid off fucking neighboring rights.

I get paid off fucking, what's the sound scan? sound where they check sound exchange I get paid I just fucking got paid for a licensing sink

in a van a song from 20 years ago if I need drugs they put the instrumental in a van skateboard video last month I got two places does it mean I'm fucking Rockefeller right no

my mother got fucking bills I pay my mother's bills you know what I'm not every single one of them but a lot of them but owning 100% of this is a lot better for most people then having had, you know, a label situation at a certain point that turned to shit and then you don't really own even your original content.

It comes down to also laziness. Remember, those guys all could have decided I'm going to do my shit. Everybody could have went and bought the books that I bought. I bought the Donald Passman, everything you need to know about the music business. I read every master. Bro, there was a point just to show you how sick I am that, you know, in the family, my brother or whatever, we had every vibe magazine, source, XXL. King?

King? Whatever the fuck. Well, of course, King for that. Yeah, yeah. Which we didn't talk much about. Which we didn't talk much about. But basically... Somehow.

But basically... Next episode, all about Neko Jerkinoff. I studied... You got to take a Viagra before we start. I take Viagra sometimes. That's going to be in the next interview. Okay. You know what I'm saying?

But just because fucking... Why not? Don't tell me anymore. We need this for the next interview. Okay. All the porn stars do it. Yeah. No, I hear, yeah.

You know what I mean? Yeah. But basically, I would like, get all the magazines from vibe and everything and read the key hustlers, the guys that, you know, and study and master P. I said he used to give a lot of information. So what was to stop dudes from 97 who had a deal in 93, 94, 95 for them to say, I'm going to create a new record label without the white investor? And I just throw that in there because I want to make a point because I don't like the

fact that people think that if you're the investor, you're automatically a devil. Oh, yeah. How about give respect to this guy who put $100,000 into you? You were on the corner. Nobody was fucking with you. He actually believed in you. Now listen, of course. And if you didn't want to be holding to him,

you shouldn't have signed the fucking deal, right? And also, listen, sometimes people get robbed. Yeah. But I never really heard about, uh, uh, um, uh, what's his name? Um, who's the dude that runs loud? Steve Rifkin.

Right, yeah. Never heard Steve Rifkin fucking over mob deep or Wu Tang or big pun. You understand what I'm saying? Sure, there's always people. Listen, I heard tons of shit about baby fucking people over. Right. Tons of shit about puffy fucking people over. Notice people don't get too deep in the puffy shit,

but they roll. to bring up Lear Code immediately. I don't like shit like that. Why do I mention that? Oh, because if too many people didn't focus on blaming other people, take responsibility for your career. You have arms and legs and a brain.

You're obviously intelligent. You wrote super intelligent raps. Yeah. Right? You can't be a rapper in the 90s lyrical if you're a dumb guy. Right. Okay? You just fucking low.

Loz-law. Loziness is a serious shit. Yeah. Pun said it on a song. I don't remember the line. He'll know. What's the little? He goes, you want to sit on your ass, lazy?

He says something, but pun says it, how so many people, you just, everybody wants to fucking be big, but you're really a lazy fucking your ass. Yeah. Get off your butt, start an independent record label, put the shit out, upload it, market it, make sure it's good, because here's the difference. If your shit ain't that good and ain't streaming, buddy. When I first got in the game at like 2016, 2017, all the dudes I knew were like excitedly signing publishing deals.

And they're like, I'm getting 50K. I'm getting 100K because I'm signing this publishing deal. And I'm sitting there as a bit older person thinking, so you don't believe in yourself? So you think that- Cameron talked about that on a new- You think that shit's just worth 50K? Cameron talked about that.

I'm betting on myself. Like, I don't want to fucking sell my publishing or whatever the fuck it is at this point. I believe in myself. Well, check this out. Cameron was talking about it on Wallow and that. Oh, okay. I didn't get to the end of it.

He talks about that at the end? He mentions that he knew it was a shitty deal. Right. Oh, he was just so hyped to get in the game. I remember that part. Yeah, no, because he wanted to be able to go uptown with a car. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Some people know they're fucking up and they do it. Yeah. But you want to know some? Obviously, he probably landed on his feet. He's paid. He's not a broke guy. We all made mistakes. I'm sure you did. The question is, can we surpass all our mistakes? Yeah. And be in 2022 popping. Can you say right now and you tell me, are you the biggest you've ever been right now as you sit here? Yeah. I'm the biggest I've ever been. Nice.

people confront on me all they want like if they don't know me out who do you you can say what the fuck you want I don't give a fuck my numbers don't fucking lie you understand what I'm saying like Spotify numbers here's my Spotify numbers are the shit it's the number one streaming platform on the planet

so if you're gonna come up with a fucking excuse and say my shit ain't popping on there because I'm popping in the streets yeah okay well people in the streets don't pay you bro your Spotify numbers encompass all of the like Brazilian axe murderers that are sitting around listening to Necro turkey making falafel have you ever actually committed necrophilia no funny funny

with the name you know they might look like a slob on here but that's okay hopefully my personality fuck makes up for the slob look hey listen i'll still fuck you ladies that's real but basically part of why i changed my name from necrophilia i got necrophiliac from the hello weight slayer album until what and p and girls would come up to me like do you fuck that body what year did you get rid of that 93 bobbedo i think bobbedo from babito and Stretch. Necrophiliac was your rap name?

Yeah. Oh my. And Bobito's calling me Necro for short. Yeah. And I took it. So maybe about Bobby, shout out to Bobito

and stretch. Maybe about, I don't know, maybe Bobito gets credit for shortening my name. But, uh, I think he did you a favorite. Well,

I thought it was better. Well, I thought it was better because Necro was the prefix to anything relating to death. And I wasn't, I wasn't really down with the fuck that body shit because people weren't, I didn't want to be done

with anything that you didn't respect. Yeah. But I was not trying to be a trendy person. And the internet is, between not being trendy, you know what I'm, but still I don't totally wanna be hated. But in the internet age, it's like,

people might just be like, oh well, clearly he's not a necrophilic since he's like a rapper and he seems like pretty successful at everything, but back then, people were kind of going for whatever. It was a lot easier to fool people. I mean, you know, something it's possible. In the end of the day, I told you,

I burnt a lot of bridges just being me, my name, the subject matter. You know what I'm saying? I mean, I was putting out subject matter that, you know, maybe some people, a lot of women thought I was misogynistic. I couldn't get, publicist to represent me that were representing some of these other guys in the underground

because their music's mad tame. Most everybody in the underground of New York hip-hop was tame, politically correct. Then you got Necro, the most morbid overdose off it, like Cindy Crawford's baby comitosis in a coffin. I'm awful, often unlawful, crack you with a softball in your skull till you lost all memory every morsel. Mutilate the beat, rejuvenate the street, leave you bloody lubricated meat. I got a gun to pull. pull and I'm comfortable pumping a full clip into the wonderful front of your skull. Different kind of vibe right there. That's the kind of shit that is on the energy of New York hardcore and metal and moshing

and punch someone dead in the face. You've got B-foot. Oh, I got B-foot that dude. Let's listen to some necro shit. Let's go. And I mean, you know, being white, remember, I'm in the projects. I'm being judged. You know what I mean?

First day, me and my brother moved into Glenwood, like 15 Decepticons rushed us and ripped all our comics up. Wow. You know what I'm saying? Ripped all our comics. Yeah. That's not one that rappers are going to say these days. That's a basic.

Well, imagine you're five, Bill's nine. We just come from the comic store, which is a block away from the fucking projects. We just moved in. We're not really sure what we're getting into here what we're about to deal with. You leave those projects now. It's going to be a fucking hike before you find a comic book store. That's all I'm saying. Well, of course.

Yeah. It's a sad state of affairs, man. My hometown, Nashville, New Hampshire, we had two comic books store. Is that where you're from New Hampshire? Yeah. New Hampshire. Yeah. Do you love it?

New Hampshire. Are you proud of it? Ex-hamster. Proud would probably not be the word I would go with. It's pretty whatever else place. But what made you move to California? You ended up... I had to live.

No, I moved to Astoria when I was like 21. Yeah. Oh, okay. And I lived in Astoria on Bushwick for like seven years from like 2004 to like 2010 and then I moved to L.A. I always heard or I think that you were somehow involved in the New York Hard I used to go to shows in Boston a lot. And I kind of got, I was honestly kind of out of it about the time I was like 21, 22. But I still have friends and bands and we go to shows sometimes.

It's an experience. I love it. I love it. I love it, but it's the kind of thing I want to do like every year. Right. Maybe every two years, you know. My whole thing, I'm like a shy introvert. So I was never really the guy in the show.

Yeah. It got to the point where I needed to be the guy controlling the show. Right. The guy on stage. And I've seen a million hardcore dudes go from that where they're the guy who likes to go to shows every weekend. And then they become the alpha male running. the shit and they can never imagine just hanging out again you know be yeah well you know it's just

it's because because you know it depends what you want yeah some people just all about the shows and moshing and all that and for me you know um i always wanted to be on stage but i was always nervous but as a metal shit i was mad nervous when i became hip hop it became different it became more like i'm gonna fuck you up if you disrespect me when i'm on stage yeah with the metal it was kind of different i didn't like we're all gonna fuck each other up in this mosh pit no no i didn't feel the power I didn't feel strong enough, even if I was getting into beef in the projects, I wasn't a man yet. As I got older, like, you know, you become a true thug if you're a thug by 15.

Anyone who becomes, this is a problem in a lot of these new kids too. If you become a thug after 18, you're not a real thug. You can't become a thug after 18. You have to somehow live that lifestyle in your 13th, 14, 15, 16, or like me, fighting kids when you were 6, 7, 8, to be that kind of personality for it to be a legit or else you're try hard and you're probably going to end up getting killed because you don't understand

a lot of these guys becoming thugs after 18 now like they probably weren't the first 18 years rest and peace to L.A. legend Draco the Ruler who said in a song, how you join a gang when you're 25? Let me tell you a lot of people in the city caught feelings over that.

A lot of people it applied to a lot of people was like, I'm 23 was that for me? I mean but you want to know something? You know there's a difference between being a gang member and a thug. Not every thug is a gang member. You could be a thug and be a loner. Right.

And still get busy and do your thing. And rob liquor stores and beat the shit of people, whatever it is. Being a thug doesn't mean you're robbing people. But you could be a thug and have no communication with other thugs. Or you could join a gang and join a big fucking syndicate. You know what I told people, okay? Everyone who says they're a gangster and all that. Yeah.

I'm not gangster. No. I'm gangster like. What does gangster like mean? I'm similar to the real gangsters, to the bugsy seagulls, the Myerss, the lucky in their attitude.

They're not taking shit. You're not going to fuck them over. You're not going to talk condescending to them. Does that mean that I'm fucking involved in bootlegging of liquor and running Vegas and murdering 800 people? Trafficking guns. So are you really a gangster?

If you're murdering people, fine, and you can be a gangster. But if you're just a tough dude, like you're gangster like. You have the traits. You're gay sure you just haven't bitten off all that you potentially could if you didn't care about your freedom more.

Right. But like you said, with a thug, right? Okay, you don't have to do a robbery to be a thug. Thugging could be I dressed thugged out. Right. I talk slang. I fucking, you know, I could adapt in the street. It's levels.

Yeah, there's levels. And here's the funny thing. The worst you are, usually the realer you are, the more dead you get early. Notice that, the dudes who the pinnacle realist dudes. Oh, yeah. are all dead, the real 50 cent. Yeah. Like all these guys, they went out early.

See it all the time. And it's sad. But, you know, listen, that's why they're the true legends. You know what I mean? Me, if I'm a legend or I'm going to be, I let it be for the hip-hop, for the music. And let's die of old age. And I think that, and listen, knock on fist.

And that's what's going to happen if you're smart. If you have a fucking brain and you're intelligent in how you move, you can talk your shit. Okay, but you know, you should realize there's wolves around. Yeah. You can be a wolf, but can every wolf beat every other wolf in the pack? Maybe not. Right.

Can every lion beat every other lion? Maybe not. So at least respect the lion. Respect the lions around you. If you're a wolf, respect the, okay? I think a lot of people, you know, here's the thing. You could sleep and think that the Jeffrey Dahmer guy's a sheep. Right.

And the next thing, you got a power drill in your fucking head with Fina Barbatol and you're walking in the middle of the street butt naked, you know what I mean? What's the number one thing that we always hear when there's a serial killer? They interview his neighbors and they say, I never thought he was such a nice guy. I never thought he would do something like this.

Wait until you see this series and you see how much his neighbors involved in the whole series? Really? Oh my God, bro. She was telling people, calling the police about him because the smell from his apartment to herds through a vent.

She was smelling everything. Calling a police, telling them, yo. And because of the black neighborhood This motherfucker's spoiling this shit for me I gotta watch this myself Sorry, brother, that's good Hey, you gotta promise We could do this again sometimes

This is an amazing interview I don't know how the fuck The world has been sleeping on Necro As an interviewee I mean, listen, bro, Let me ask you a question How many people If you put a number

Know about you as of this second right now Just put a number How many people? Yeah, let's 10 million Well, I got 1.6 million on Instagram Although I don't know Let's just say 10 million Okay, sure

So in the world of billions That means that there's a billion, Six billion, There's five billion people that don't know Adam 22 yet. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's always going to be people that don't know Necro.

So here's the way I view it. A blessing and thank you that you had me here today. Maybe somebody's going to become a fan from it and do it. And the same way you keep growing, right? You'll make it a new office? We got a new one.

Right, you have it, but is it done? Yeah. Okay, right? And that's a new move for you. Yeah. So you could be known by 100 million people. We're going for it. Exactly.

Getting famous is the slow process of realizing you're never going to actually be famous. Like, if, if, If you were to go somewhere and like 5% of people knew who you were, that's going to be fucking oppressive. That's insanely difficult to get to. Here's the thing. Not like that.

I don't give a fuck. You know, if it comes with all of me doing what I want to do, like if, if me doing a NECRO interview means that one percent more of the people in the room at the show that I go to or whatever, are going to know who I am, cool. I can accept that. But I'm not doing it so that I can get asked for photos. You're enjoying what you're doing. Bottom right.

In the end of the day, right? It's like the same thing with me. I'm thinking it's not about fame. It's about just, I want people that relate with me, they're going to go fuck with me. They should fuck with me. What it's really about is making it

so you don't have to go work at FedEx. Shout out to all the FedEx drivers, but, you know. I threatened the FedEx. I say you're going to think all I talk about is beef. Listen, there was a point where in my house

where I was doing the shipping of like merch and shit like that. So around the 2005, 2006 era. And I would have to call UPS and FedEx to come pick shit up. Right. And there's always a,

FedEx guy and it's a fucking dick. You know what I mean? He doesn't want to come inside. He doesn't want to come inside. So I was barefoot. Yeah. And this Jamaican FedEx guy He's giving me a lot of problems, bro. And he's talking that shit. La la la, fuck you. I'm like, motherfucker. I'll fight you right now barefoot.

And he bitched out. Because I went right to the front barefoot. I was like, yo, I'm fucking barefoot. I'll fight you right now, motherfucker. I said, it's your job to come here at 3 p.m. And pick that shit up. And he's like, I'll be back. And I said, be back for what?

for beef and fucking up. Like what do you mean? Somebody says they'll be back. I'm checking that. You're coming back with a weapon? What? So, but, uh, I don't know if he ever came back,

but let me tell you something. FedEx sucks. UPS guys are good guys. I was just using it as an example of a shitty job. UPS guys are good guys. I'm sure it's a fine job. I'm sure it's like a pretty good job in the grand scheme of jobs.

I don't really know. Listen, I used to give fucking bonuses to the UPS guys because they were good guys. Yeah. And they, you know, and they showed mad, love. FedEx guys always on some fast bullshit, like giving you problems.

Okay. So, um, and you know something FedEx is always the most expensive. If you run a merch store, you know that like they're the worst. Right. Fucking hate them, brother. They're overcharged. They make people not want to buy your shit. I'm glad I haven't done my shipping in a while.

FedEx. Why don't you go suck a dick. All right. That's a good note to end on. I don't want me to say that because they might sponsor them. No, I don't know if is FedEx sponsoring mid-tier podcasters? Oh, no. Hey, FedEx.

Bring us some fucking money, motherfuckers. He's right. Necro, they're going to kick us out of this fucking studio. Can I do a last mention my shit? Tell them what to check out for sure. All right, listen, everybody. Thank you to Adam for the interview. Much love, respect.

Brother, I appreciate you. Yeah. Just basically go to my Spotify because that's my number one platform. You can check me out on Apple Music. Go to necroproduct.com by merchandise. And, you know, you can go to YouTube, Necro Video. Check out all my videos. you know pretty much that's it you know uh youtube Spotify Apple Music and um become a fan

and if not suck my dick I don't give you shit if you live or die if you ain't my fan croak that way you heard him look at him a big beautiful man there talking shit into the camera too eight inches 11 inches for your mouth let's go tell your girl to come over my man necro Adam hook me up with some bitches we got to do more of this in the future because this is one of the greatest talents I've ever seen on camera. Listen. We've been talking. We've got some plans.

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