No Jumper - The NJ Show # 242: Is This The End of No Jumper???

Episode Date: May 22, 2024

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So you're up for five or so, if possible. All across the world, business from over me. Okay. That was a beggar. Yo, I was actually thinking that. I'm like, imagine I had Mark McGrath stick around to do the podcast with Lush Brick and the Home Room University Board of Menace Mater. I don't want to, like, misgender y'all.

No, no, no, no. Because I know there's a lot. You guys have, like, you guys are coming in the game with a show. a bunch of different shows and a platform. So I know people probably mess the name up constantly. Yeah, we're interchangeable. It's either the Menace Material Boys or Homeroom University.

You know what I'm saying? But the brand, the company is Menace Matera Entertainment and then the podcast that most people know is for is Homeroom University. Adam's obsessed with... It would have been kind of weird to have you guys with Mark McGrath, just spanning generations, spanning ages.

I've never heard of him. Dude. Every morning. Don't be a menace. There's a hallow wangling on the floor. I'm on a cup and fork on a bed. You don't remember that shit? What year?

What year? That's like 99? Yeah, 97 was when they first put it, hit out. What level of legend is he, like, on? If you watch TRL in the 90s, this was, like, the only thing. Oh, gosh, gosh. Top five pop rock bands of the 90s, hands down. Like, like, Radiohead level?

Different, different, like, genre? And Radiohead have a lot more respect. That's Brit Pop. That's, like, you know, radio is Brit Pop. He's in on the joke that their band was considered, like, kind of not that serious of a band. Wow. It's so insane how much different the mics sound when you have a closer. They did.

They didn't have a drummer. They had DJ Homicide. Yeah. So they had, like, they definitely, you could hear, like, the hip-hop influence in their production and all that. Hey, Mark McGrath certified and he rock a no jumper that's lit. Shout to you, my boy! Shout that good. I'm so uncomfortable with how close my dog's asshole was just to your lean cup.

And also your filterless cigarette. Sociopath, once again. Big sociopaths. That's a big-ass dog, too. I got some important questions, though. Do you all smoke cigarettes? Not at all. He does.

Good. Millennials. Also, what are your ages? 24? 33. 30, 24, 23? 33. Damn.

So you are what they say that I am. You're exploited in the youth. I like it. You found two young brothers. Yeah, yeah. Hip-up. We have a. crossing the gang bank politics or nothing like that i was about to say we're keeping it clean right

just because north carolina is it lit or like straight up yeah that's not true i drink water nigga that's stuff yeah y'all need you just got up in the score out your way so that you have some more content to talk about yeah oh no we're not you're not you say y'all you provide us you you provide us more than enough like if we wanted to do no jumper every single week and only that we could but there's no drill rappers that you can find around your neck of the woods it wouldn't even What's a word for a room? What's it? You're right, man.

We don't exploit all kinds. You need your own lore, though. You need your own, like, you know, creative lens to view the world. We view it through podcasts, you know, that's what we explore. I just want to say, yes, I'm wearing overalls. Yes, I was feeling that today. I actually got the overalls as well as the Gucci shirt for my anniversary this weekend, so I decided to throw them together.

I don't know if that's a little in your face, given that we are in kind of a tense climate around no jumper. It feels like there's a lot of vibes. going on, a lot of feelings going every which way. So that's why I decided that as long as we were going to continue doing the Tuesday show, we needed to bring in some moderators to help us make sense of what's going on. Yes, sir. Is that reasonable?

I feel like that's reasonable. You know, we do that for them before. So we might as well do it. My consultants over here. So the overalls has something to do with the vibe today? No, I actually thought they were super inappropriate. It's giving that. And the Gucci shirt is kind of like giving like, oh, look, I've got a freaking $800

dollar polo shirt or whatever the hell she paid for. You know, that's kind of trashy too. Like there's really like I'm giving bad messages. I'm kind of trying to like push everybody to the brink. What I thought as far as the, something's never changed. The overalls was that this is like you're insinuating the invisible pitchfork that you're holding. Literally. Yeah.

Like he chose a wrong day to come dress his old McDonald. Yeah. I'm thinking about grabbing. Oji Suicide's chair out there and like kind of just carrying that around. Because I feel like I'm giving Hacksaw Jim Duggan or like what was the wrestler that wore overall. But yeah, he did. Oh,

I didn't realize that you were in full war mode right now. Like you, you're on like, you on offense right now. That's what I'm just saying. I'm trying to figure out. I'm like, he's on bullshit.

We seen the lives earlier. What? So he's like. Okay. Do you have any questions burning at the front of your brain, AJ? Since I know it's hard for you to like watch this podcast without like kind of formulating like what is.

What is my take about this podcast that I am both a part of and observing going to be? Yes. The only burning question I have at the top of my head with the split is you said it was non-financial. You talked to your business partner. So that's the main thing, right? Well, that was one of the, that was one of the base. You said it was non-financial? I'm sorry, it was a financial.

Looking at how much each one of these shows cost to operate. And I think honestly, it was kind of like an aesthetic decision. slash like just a content decision as well slash a sanity of mind decision slash a business decision for me to just kind of realize like take a step back I hate to do this but I kind of got to like look at all of my peers in the space and kind of compare myself to them look at their business models I look at somebody like you know act obviously is kind of focused on the streaming thing I feel like he's faced challenges with trying to put together the academy and whatnot I look at somebody like Vlad I look at the way that he segments his content

up he doesn't have any consistent shows on his podcast that he's not a part of aside from the reggie right one that he's been trying to spearhead i'm not sure exactly what's going to happen with that i look at say cheese they really probably drop like the least amount of content of anybody but i feel like the quality is very high and still say cheese has a great brand name regardless and he's able to do other things that make money like utilizing the say cheese branding i think for me no jumper if you look at it through 2017 2018 2018 2019 it was like very focused around one thing. It was like,

we're going to get as many interviews as possible. We're going to do the best interviews we can. As you go into 2020, our natural reaction to the pandemic is kind of like, we need to double down on just like whoever we got here talking on camera. Enter into what was realistically a kind of impressive era when we had at the end of the day really kind of thriving. No,

it was crazy. Yeah. When you think about it, T. T.rell, as much of a bozo as he has shown himself to be over the past year, him, AD,

to AD, I guess, and do know, like putting them all together on a show, that was pretty impressive. So then we kind of like kept chasing after that, building up more shows, more hosts, etc. Disconnected. Yeah, exactly. And like having all those kind of go at the same time was kind of like unprecedented within the hip hop space to have like one channel that had this many different shows doing good. And I feel like in the wake of them leaving the channel, I spent a year basically trying to sort of rebuild all that. And I think ultimately the conclusion that I kind of drawn was that I don't need to be holding on to like things that previously worked on the podcast or whatever.

Like I just need to be a little bit faster to identify what's working and what isn't. And I'm, I feel like at a certain point in time, my view of content creation was that the only way we're going to make money is by creating an absolute shitload of content. That's not really necessarily the case at this point. And in fact, I even felt like we were kind of losing money on. certain things. So what I really wanted to do this week was just do like a full reset, simplify no jumper down to like the simplest parts that actually work. Right. And obviously there's been a, I actually feel like almost everybody that I spoke to, everybody I spoke to on the phone took it

very well and was very cool about it. Brick baby lush, almighty flaco, et cetera. Yeah. I called DW Flame. I understand that he was saying that I did not call him today on the news. That is not true. Did I double down on that? What? I doubled down on that. I didn't watch any of the the clips. I'm just like reading Reddit titles. I just like, so I was just like, did he call you or not? Because I did call him. I wanted to have that conversation with DW.

He's been around here like the shortest period of time. I understand that he's kind of like acting as if I didn't call it. It was not true. I tried to call him. He didn't pick up. But either way, yeah, that's kind of what led me to this decision. I understand is going to be kind of controversial for people, but like that's another thing that I want to acknowledge is that

like no Jumber has like a certain percentage of people who are just paying attention to it for the bullshit. 100% the news as well as like some of those sort of random nightly shows produced a lot of bullshit a lot of like drama, a lot of stuff

that like you made the point damn homie versus sharp is a whole thing like the fucking Reddit was obsessed with it. That's a mini storyline. It doesn't really do a lot for the brand as a whole when that doesn't travel outside of the No Jumper universe, right?

Church, you bring all these people on the platform to exploit all of us church you don't want us to respond, church. but we respond in the wrong church Yo, but you see him He's trying to make a name for himself Because last time he showed up

He had words for the mustard man He was telling him that he was sassy and shit You know Well Come to L.A. Catch a body and just get I mean I think that like the The conversation earlier was sharp

Really didn't even need to be There didn't need to be any emphasis On the fact that he was trying to be little Because I don't think that was your intention I think what you were trying to say Is there's various parameters of virality. Now, really, what viral means

is it transcends the initial platform. And not only, when I say platform, I don't mean the universe it exists in, but the actual uploader. Like, it gets uploaded by, it's all over TikTok, it's on different channels, it's on different like tweets, this one

has 500,000. This one has one point too. That is virality. You know what I mean? Like, hence, in the very definition of the word right there. So, yeah, it is. This is tickling your fancy right now. Go ahead. What do you mean,

Chickling? Because I say nay, church. It's a name for me, church. Are you getting back to? Oh, it's get back. Yeah. Oh, wait, you went sharp at a bit like a thing going on? That's the thing.

Look, Sharp's been getting a ride deal lately, I feel like. I feel like a lot of people are on Sharp's helmet. I'm empathetic towards that because I've experienced the highs and lows of the no-jumper fan base. I think that he has a lot more. mental fortitude that I did at that point when I was kind of in the... But you're different, though.

You're different in a way that the way that you got when you hit your highs in the No Dripper universe, it was for a different reason. Correct. They clowning them about a picture and shit. So it was easier for you to come back. You know what I'm saying? But if you just like amping on bitches,

that's a little different where it's like, it just might get played out. Well, to an extent, if we're talking about the actual content, that's a different conversation. That's a conversation. I was having both conversations. Right, and I did hear that as well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's ultimately a subjective opinion. It is 100%. Whether you're right or wrong, there is no. You know, whether I agree or no. There's some metrics you can go out. There are some metrics as far as trying to put parameters on it. Now, my whole point is, though, is that the last thing I want to do is throw additional

shots and try to cut somebody down when they're already getting roasted. Like, there's like, what, that doesn't gain me, especially when we all ultimately changes as they may occur pushing the same. line. It's always awesome. It's always awesome. Yeah, we do. And when I was making those phone calls,

Sharp had an extremely understanding and positive reaction to it because he's somebody who in very recent memory had, you know, embarrassing him slash like dragging his name through the mud turned into content day after day for a week or two there with the damn homie situation to the point where people ask me like, is damn homie going to be back on the news? I'm like, I don't think it makes sense for me to be just like bringing in chicks to antagonize somebody who's been rocking me for all these years. And that just doesn't really like benefit us that much. We're going to do another round of that.

We're going to have her and Sharp yell at each other on the fucking show again for another episode of the news. Like that's just not really. It is good in the short term for like just getting some views. But what's the fuck? What do you just don't do that? What if they find love of the next to them? If it does go in that direction, I will certainly reconsider.

But real quick, but real quick going back to, because I never got to ask my. answer my question. You're just kind of like break down the logic. So now in your explanation, it sounds like the quality outweighed the actual production costs. That's how it sounded based on the way you described it a little bit. So my question is it feels like they also weren't profitable, but that was one of the things, one of the main things you had said to the last era of people is that their shows weren't profitable and the numbers were very different. Right. Because that last era was coming out the gate with $150,000 in the first 24 hours, you know? Definitely that was a different era.

But the one thing I will say is that when you're talking live content, the past majority of it is like live and, yeah, and even just like content that you have to rush out. Like the clip, like the clip of whack running up on flaco has half a million views and has made exactly like $50 on YouTube. Just to put it in perspective, like how much these viral moments actually end up being worth, which I think a lot of people kind of get the wrong idea about that. How many did this? The crashout, the crash out didn't demonetized, did it?

No, that one definitely was demonetized, yeah. And then, like, yeah, I mean, like, a lot of the nightly podcast, when we're honest with you, like, people just had a really hard time keeping their potty mouth under control. So, like, a huge percentage of that was getting demonetized and stuff. So, I mean, the clips, did? The clips as well as the live streams, yeah. Oh, yeah.

That's got true. It's all encompassing. Yeah. Every piece of that. Can you minimize the chat? That shit is driving me crazy. I can't have that in my fucking fourth view. I got to like bring it up separately later.

But that was the only brain question at the top. When did you know this is going to happen? Like did you know this months ago or like was this honestly like a last week thing? And it was just like, yeah, I'm announcing. I think like a few months ago when we decided like let's try and do a bunch of nightly live streams was kind of like me thinking in another direction of like, well, maybe we just need to create a bunch more shit and kind of see how that goes. And then like kind of over the course of the last like week or two is kind of when I sort of had a realization that I kind of wanted to range shit in and do a little bit of a focus more on just quality.

And even like in terms of us just doing podcasts of us sitting around and like talking and everything, I just feel like instead of doing a consistent schedule, let's just like do it when we feel like we've got the ammunition. Because a lot of the really truly dreadful content on the news and shit comes from people getting on camera. and not knowing what the fuck they're supposed to be talking about. Or even, you know, a memory that comes to mind is when you guys did the episode of No Statements where you have those girls talking about the wigs for a long time. I mean, honestly, I didn't see it. I didn't really, I didn't want to, like, kill myself mentally in my brain by clicking it. But I heard that there was like a wig infomercial.

What happened was, you know, that show ended up winning me the influencer prize on the show. Well, you just both. Interior Monies. You just accidentally exposed that you won the show that it's not out yet. No, he did. On the Tronix Network. It's still three more days. Oh, shit.

Okay. Yeah, yeah. No, but I have been good. I got to fill for three days. You just been the good. That was the cup talking about. They'd be good. Now, they might buy a wing.

You don't know. No, what it was. They might. Those girls were the girls that was in the house with me. And it was like, take your shout out to work day. But if we have learned, if we've learned anything from Prussian Fit and whatever and sharp and every other female, led podcast has ever existed.

There are so few female-led podcasts, but meanwhile, podcasts in which, by the way, got it to the dogs, smacking his fucking. But if you're going to do a podcast with a bunch of girls,

you can't let them run the environment. You need to be running it, and you need to allow them to speak. And that's why Dan Lombe... Freshifid has taught us that. That's why Dan Lombe was like Shamsung, Shang, to Sharkey.

He was the ultimate opponent. I text you. I text you right. after that. I told you I possibly could have did my worst. You did. And that kind of made me not even like care about. I was like, okay, he knows that wig and from herself was not yet.

Yeah. I texted directly after. First of all, I'm on seven days in the house with these girls. We've been drinking. We've been partied. We've been on. So while I'm here, I'm getting like agitated. It's like the bender, the end.

You already burned out. You haven't even slept yet. Yeah. You already burned out. And it was like, then it was like trying to overtalk. and then you had Gordy, I guess he had got drunk or something, so he was on and off the camera and letting people sit down to his seat. He couldn't even drive the car for me when I was all the way out of gas.

I had the floor, let's hurry up it in it. It was everybody's lowest moment. Yeah. Call on camera. It happens. But honestly, I think that also we'd be remiss to acknowledge the fact that, yes, were the numbers way bigger for the live shows during the pandemic era? Absolutely.

But if you, you guys analyze metrics for a living, right? That's part of what you all do. Now, we're all live streams numbers super inflated

during that time. Everybody was that in cost. But the drop was definitely different. Like, even when they left and even six months to eight months after they left, they were still clearing

$100,000. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying? That's not to take away for what they did. Yeah. Peak it might have been like 200, though.

Like it was up back then, you know? Right. Right. But this is what you're saying, we're, this is what I feel like, We're losing our exclusive, however, whatever we're on, exclusivity. Yeah.

By being accessible every day. Like, I know that they don't have to look at my Instagram. They don't have to wait to interviews. They don't have to wait to, there's no mystery no more. It's like, we know how Brick's filling the day. We know how this dude's feeling the day because we're all in their face every single day. Sometimes twice and three times a day. You got to look at how Joe Button runs his program.

He's got all these hosts, right? And all those hosts are reasonably popular, right? Like varying degrees, but like realistically, any of Joe Budden's host could probably do a piece of content on Joe Budden's channel and get not as many views, but maybe half. Maybe 40%, but still like a respectable number. But he doesn't do that. Even with the dudes like Queens flip that obviously has like his own standout potential and everything. Like instead he kind of like keeps everything consolidated and they keep their crew together and they do episodes like that. And there's just a huge focus on quality.

And I feel like no jumper for a while there We were doing a little bit too much Spray and prey You just do as much shit as possible And make up for any deficit that you might have I feel the other guys are only seeing once, twice a week So it's like, yeah, they probably are clear because you only hear them from them one time a week

Have you seen? Oh, no, no, Joe Budden is like four or five times No, I'm talking about the people you were talking about You said when they left eight months Oh, got you. But I would say that the quantity thing is a problem for them as well because for sure, like, the darkest period

in the No Jumbers show was when AD was coming on and not sharing shit because he was doing like four or five other live streams that week during the same week. And I feel like even now, they just be doing too much. And the fan base has kind of scattered and got lost and shit. Whereas I feel like... The fig back on figure.

Yeah, yeah. I'm talking about that. Well, all the people are talking about all of them. AD stream is so goddamn much of these days. Like, I clicked on one day the other day and watched like five minutes and I was just like, this is inexcusable. Like, this is the worst. monologue rant

I've ever seen in my fucking life. Like those dudes need to strip everything away and they need to do one podcast a week. They need to maybe do two podcasts a week. I'm thinking about going on. Which one are you specifically referring to? All of them. Because all I'm saying...

Some of them were pretty fun. When it comes to No Jumper, I feel like that is definitely true. But when it comes to them, it's extremely true. Like, they need to scale back and do less. And if anything, no Jumper planted the seed in their mind that in order to run a successful media company, you need to be pumping out like multiple pieces of content per day.

I don't think that's the case at all because we can look at all kinds of people. Like how many interviews a week does academics do? Like maybe one. Vlad does a handful of interviews a week and they seem like more because he's dropping them clip by clip. Every day though. Yeah, but it's like you just don't need to be producing such a gigantic flood of content. And if anything, I think that it was kind of maybe potentially like watering down the channel

as a whole quality of requirement i'm trying some more we can always always we can always take a couple more shows on if we feel like oh this is getting boring or whatever like i'm i'm not closing the door on that because like obviously if we get something really fucking great going and the channel keeps getting better and better in terms of us just podcasting together it's like there's going to be a day where i'm not around and then you guys are going to do without me and it's like that that just makes sense like obviously i'm still open to that this to me is like a temporary or who who knows like let's just consolidate and really like see if we can make this shit as good.

There's never a bad time to do that. Honestly, at the end of the end of it. You're just saying, I want to make the content better. You know what I'm saying? So there's never a bad time to even have that moment. Is this really a break?

Nah, this is a, it's definitely not a break for me in terms of my own personal, like, content making because, like, for me, an average week is probably doing like five to 10 interviews. Like,

that to me is just like what my brain is trained to do. Like, If anything, I'm trying to, like, force myself to not take every interview because I feel like that kind of waters the content down as time goes by. I'd rather kind of focused on specific shit, you know? This is the first time I met you, but it does feel like you got a monkey off your back. Like, it's just like, oh, whoa, no Norby's. Oh, you got a jeal. I didn't know.

I forgot. You got to use those terms. Like, you know. Man control of your fuck. Yeah. You got some stress off his show A weight is been lifted on the show You know, think about my girl

Every time I say that I'm going to do some shit I'm going to move somebody off the podcast I'm going to fire somebody She gets real fucking nervous Because she was one She knew AD was getting moved off the Tuesday show And then she saw everything fucking explode four days later

Or whatever a couple of days later So like she with this She was like kind of nervous And I'm telling her I'm like listen like this is just like what I need to do in order to run a media company that I think is going to work. I think it's the cleanest.

They talk about all over. One Superchat said over the phone, that was coward shit. I'm like, no, email. Yeah. What do you want? Five all the way over here? That would have been real corporate.

Individually, you have a conversation, you let the person vent five to ten minutes say, let me get to the name. And the only person that it ended up being weird with that apparently was talking shit, even though I didn't see it, was DW, who's the only one that I didn't actually get on the phone with. So I feel like if I probably got on the phone with him for 10 minutes, he wouldn't have been on here talking shit.

And you did. And you did call it. I did call it, but he apparently didn't see it. But why is that always the case with you? Why is it always somebody says something? And then you come on and it's like, no, man, I did that. Because everybody tries to shape their fucking narrative to be whatever point they're trying to get across.

So you're saying it's easy to do that to you. Super easy because everybody just says whatever they want about the big boss man. If you are going to try to say, If you have a reputation that precedes you, that's based on lack of accountability. People are going to be able to attack that to you real easily. In this case, you know. You might understand it. You think someone at you.

I've been here before. But I know that my brother, Comparader, was very, very easily. I heard of crying and shit. He's feeling down about it. But what I wanted to explain to him is, look, if anybody has been through the ringer, the good, the bad, and the ugly. of this organization is me. And I know that, look, if you see me back as one of the only people that are still

in regular motion over here, considering what I already went through, anybody, if you just stay solid, you know what I'm saying, keep your head forward and stay loyal to the brand. Oh, nigga, you give us. That was crazy. This is not the pursuit of happiness.

That was good. Keep your head up. Keep your head up. Pay your bills. I know I'm like I under I get we felt that shit I know it sounds funny we felt it but we all listen let's

but here's a thing there's forever going to be ebbs and flows and changes in this channel in this company and in this game and you got to stay ready for whatever's ahead you know and if you maintain a valuable asset to the company you will continue to be included

I'm sorry you are staying criminally, right? Yeah, we're so right. That's why my thing you're saying that is who's gone. People that are, that weren't really contracted or like are most of the people that got

the hit. Like it was, I don't want to get in the business did I say too much? But it was like, motherfuckers didn't have contact. So it's like, it's like, if you would show to show anyway, that's still like trial,

tryout era, right? Right, true. All right. So it's like at the end of the day, I didn't want to say that because I'm staying and shit like that, but I'm like, it kind of wasn't really locked in. Motherfuckers was finding a place for each, for you.

100%. Everybody to fit. You get what I'm saying? And that's why he probably didn't take it into his hands to contract certain people until they fit in where they fit in. Because it was like a water fell in coming. It was like two, three months for me too. I just want to throw a narrative out there.

There's a conversation I had when I went on academics' podcast in New York. And I hate that I always kind of like have to refer to a media game that he's put me on or whatever. to do it because he had a very good observation like he was drunk as fuck and he was clearly so he was in his prime he was in his his zone his aura and he was dealing with he was talking about the fact that his reddit which he doesn't really interact with his reddit at all according to him and he doesn't like his reddit seems very disconnected from like his actual content it seems like it's basically just a league of haters but like his his his reddit would prefer that he do non-stop content

that is full-blown analysis of his relationship with crazy girl. Yeah, literally. So, which apparently is still hanging out with, which is crazy in its own right. But, like, you know, he doesn't want to do content about that. Instead, he's chasing after things that are actually going to fucking grow his channel, which obviously he has seen absurd growth over the past month or two. And so from my perspective,

I've been thinking about that ever since of, like, when it comes to the news, when it comes to the drama clips, all that kind of shit, it does kind of feel like that's what a certain segment of the audience wants, but that's not really the shit that's going to grow, the channel or really get us going in a great direction. It's just kind of like a need that we've gotten used to satisfying. But I'm not really used.

But it ultimately isn't really the thing that grows the channel and it's not the thing that really helps the business. We've had a bunch of interviews over the past couple of months that did millions of views. And that's like very consequential to the business. And in comparison, you know, just like me talking, me doing another T. Rail rant does nothing for the channel. Right, right. Besides satisfy like a tiny percentage of the Reddit that is

still hung up on that shit. And there's a certain body. Your ego. But him on the other hand, his, like, that's the only thing that works on his channel is talking about me, talking to my homey, talking to people that used to be on this channel. That's like his only trick that works. And then at a certain point- Slobbing off of Schoolboy Q.

You're going crazy. And it's also like, um... Nasty, man. Also, like, do you feel like it's kind of like a content middle-lice crisis? You wouldn't be able to look back at your catalog and be really proud of it? A little bit of that, but also it's like, this. is a lifestyle business in the sense that I am in here working on a very consistent basis. And at a certain point, you just kind of ask yourself, like, well, what don't want my actual

life to be like? Yeah. What kind of days do I want to work? Because, like, okay, we- That should have been a reality show, too. You fucked that. You dropped the ball. You dropped the ball on that.

What, just having all y'all out here. All the boys. I feel like so much of it would have been so fucking depressing. It would have been you, you know, getting hit with the Narcan in the garage at midnight. That's what I'm saying. What about the movie? That's what you too. No, okay.

But, okay, this is the thing. We got summer coming up, right? Yeah. Bro. Kanye doing eight beats a day for eight summers or whatever. I spent many summers out of my life doing fucking nothing besides sitting in that office grinding out interviews. And I'm not saying that I'm not going to be still doing a shitload of interviews,

but I'm just saying that like when I think about my life, it's like, and especially like I have other ways of making money at this point and is kind of like a realization of like, oh, the, the most profitable thing that I could do today would probably be to, like, go to the beach and, like, hang out with a bunch of hot chicks and put it on Snapchat. Yeah. The most probable thing. A lot of times, that is kind of the conclusion that I'm forced to deal with that is going on with Snapchat.

And I know I get to meet the shit. Every couple of seconds. And I'm trying really hard not to. Every couple seconds is. I'm trying to leave it alone. So, hey, let's not talk about it. I know. I grew up into like the ghost of Snapchat.

Nigel, what? It sounds like the bag. insane. I'm trying not to get too comfortable. I'm trying to wait to get other people on the program. Don't take it for granted. But Adam, like don't you feel like the content that's created on YouTube

raises the overall ceiling of your profile, which then leads to more engagement on Snapchat? So although you might not be directly profiting off of the content on YouTube to the same degree, it's raising the awareness of you and people's interests in your content. Lush, I just need girls in bathing suits to make my Snapchat thumbnail. I just need the Snapchat. Snapchat thumbnail to be a, like, because all right, the thing is, you can get away with a

Snapchat thumbnail with a bunch of ass in it, as long as you're by a body of water. The AI won't pick it up if you're by the water. Oh, shit. So I'm going to the water. Who told you? He got the freaky, yeah. I got a lot of. I got a lot of, he got all the freak hacks.

I'll take sand to the beach. I'm going to get some more sand when I get to the beach. I'm going to bring some sand in my pockets. Yeah, yeah. As wild as your life is, you're living a sweet life where. If this is what you're doing all right. I'm doing all right regardless. But that's probably the problem.

You should have them all in dog cages. I just think about this. Whatever you fucking get your audience used to content-wise is what they're going to get used to. And they're going to expect you to generate that amount of shit. And it's like from our perspective, we've gotten the audience so used to like a gigantic flood of content on a weekly basis. And when I really zoom out and I'm like, what is this really fucking doing for me? It's just kind of like, okay, maybe I want to run this a little bit differently.

And then when that happens, you got to expect the students to be confused because now they learn a new shit. Exactly. So some people go answer, raise their hand, answer questions. Do you think have we pre-recorded these shows and kind of cut the drum out or whatever and made sure that everything was monetized? Do you think we would have did better than live? I mean, live, like this, I feel like has to be live more often than not just because of the

legacy of us doing it live. I just feel like there's some value in doing it live even if it doesn't really make a media sense. Putting beginners on live. Oh, what? You mean like the other guys that they got used to doing it live? Me. Right.

Oh. I'm not even out of it. I'm not out of the conversation. I'm talking about all the beginners. Me. Yeah, you just kind of throw people into the pie. What about that? What about the idea of?

Because, you know, a lot of podcasts like Call or Daddy, I would always hear that they would record for two hours and then listen to it back and cut out an hour's worth of shit and put out an hour long podcast once they edited out all the the week shit. Holy shit. Well, that's good. They got to lie about some of the shit they're saying.

Probably some of that too, but also just the fact that, like, they're girls. They're boring most of the time. They probably, like, really, like, but if you take, like, a bad two hours, you can probably almost certainly turn that into a pretty good one hour. That's a pretty, that's a pretty good. So if I, like, that would have been the training wheels approach to, like, you getting into doing your own podcast. Right.

And especially if you maybe got, like, a Remo on the side of the room. who can kind of like, you know, stop recording for a second and be like, all right, we got to stop the wig infomercial. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Yeah. So. Because you can't stop it live and be rude. Like, all right, bitch, we don't get a fuck about that shit.

No, and even the shit like. I mean, you could, but you decided to be. Back in the guy, like, my own girls and shit. The No Jumper show in general, like, if it wasn't live in the beginning and we had been able to have me kind of be like, time out, like, let's talk about the fact that we're doing something that is, like, really bad podcasting. Probably would have been a lot better for the overall product,

but it wouldn't have been as a, exciting because it wouldn't have been life. Well, bro, we did, like, when I first came on, No Jumper, we did pause. We did three test episodes before it even aired. Three pilots. Test episodes? Yeah. You saw three planets.

Oh, you in disaster. Yeah. Really? I didn't know that. Yeah. We did three test episodes just. Where was that? Yeah, there was like settled.

The battle rap pod. What was it called? God tier. God tier. God tier. It had a whole battle rap podcast, which wasn't really, it was dope. But if you look back, we had some really dope content. It was just kind of, the,

I remember it was niche. It was very niche. Yeah, it was. You know, we're interviewing like RASCats. Because it wasn't bad. It just, it didn't resonate with the audience. Yeah, it didn't really resonate. It was like a different audience.

Sometimes it just takes time to catch those for the battle rap niggas to find it and to be like, oh, Adam got this on the channel net. Exactly. And regardless, and I wound up, you know, like the transitioning to the No Jumper show in the rest of the industry. And because all the shows are gone, the idea of new hosts coming in like,

you know, frequently it's probably not going to happen to get right. Well, I feel like the method we were doing before was just like, let's just try anything on camera, live. We're not going to try anybody out in advance. We're just going to try whatever. And I feel like now my mentality is just way more focused. If I was going to bring anybody else in, it's going to be done in a very, like, deliberate manner.

Like, why do you think that was your game plan originally to just spray it at the wall and see what sticks? Did you think that podcasting was easier? I think the store sparked it, right? Well, it's the fact that I've always, is just recorded, and I've released 99% of everything that I've ever recorded unever did, you know? So it's like then when I, you got that.

If I bring AD and T. Roll and do no end, and they're doing a podcast, well, number one, they're doing a lot, so it's not even an option to edit it. But when I bring them in, I'm just, whatever we get is what we get. Because that's all I've always treated myself, you know. And that's the same problem. Kobe, yeah, to where it's like, nigga, I'm just going to hit the shot.

Like, if I pass you the ball, just hit the shot. Yeah, you put your statement. Kobe's expecting everybody to be as good as Kobe. But you passing the ball to Dennis Ryman on a bad day and no homo. Like, you got to say what the fuck ever, whatever.

It's not, like, it's learning like, oh, I can't say that shit live because like, you know what I mean? Like,

I'm going through all type of shit. And I ain't to keep on going back to me, but it's just like. No, you are. No, but I want to put Kill Squad out regardless. I don't give all fuck.

That was coming out. Yeah. That was, I told you. I was insane. That was too good. I said, you go get to a point.

You want something to not drop. He's going to be like, . No, that's going out. Everybody's like, wise out of putting it up. I said, hey, man. Yeah, yeah, man.

If it was on my channel, it would be out immediately. That's a moment. But you also, I ain't letting the Hazers get that shit, bro. We put that shit out. Yeah. Fuck out of here. But you also, but the whole process of just, like, recording a two hours and just throwing it out there, you also, I feel like you come from that same podcast,

listening generation of, like, the loudspeaker shows, the combat. That's the same shit we're coming from. You know what I'm saying? So, like, even when we do our podcast now, it's going to be. be two and a half to three hours long. Right. Because we're just going to be flowing, but in our minds, we're like, this is going to be a lit two and a half to three hours, you know?

Right. Question, just because I don't know is, how did y'all come together? Like, are you guys, like, childhood friends? Or was it, like, a specific, like, I'm looking for fellow podcast host thing? It fell together kind of perfectly. So I've been podcasting in Raleigh, North Carolina for six years total. I started doing music, but I don't drop music. Shut out, though, Carolina.

Yeah, when the pace of music, like, picked up and it was, like, Spotify streaming and and shit, I don't write songs that fast. I was like, I'll stay. relevant by doing a podcast. I did my podcast for like five years. There was always ups and downs within those five years, but then I was taking it more serious on year six, and I'm like, I'm going to start a network,

find somebody. They've been doing their podcast in the city parallel. Yeah, L-O-I-the-show. We have been working. This is my, it's not my brother, but this is my brother. And then we... Are you the rest of the cereal or no? He knows who eats first.

Come on, now. There's no rest of it. I went to a live show because they've done a couple of live shows. I went to a live show, chopped it up with AJ and, you know. Yeah, and we did the whole industry thing first. You know, because, uh, we're going to work. We were, I think I might have brought one of the first live podcast to Raleigh City, to this, to the city of Raleigh.

We done multiple. But he came, we did the whole industry. Yo, I do a podcast of Rale too. What, oh, what work? You know, that shit. And then I followed them, started seeing all their clips and the shits were funny. So then I had them come in one show, one, uh, one day on the Three Oak podcast, which is the one I was doing now.

And then they only had an hour, but we went viral on TikTok. off that one hour and then I was like Come back, we gotta run it We need to do the whole thing We were viral on Instagram The very next week I was like look

I'm starting to network I don't know what I'm doing But I know I'm taking this shit more serious Y'all already have a show Bring your show over here And then we ended up creating Homeroom University And it's crazy because

It seems like the easiest thing in the world To find like a bunch of dudes Who like hip hop and are funny And can talk about it And have decent opinions But then when you actually try to put it It's just like unbelievably difficult. And I feel like I've seen that with ACC

because he starts trying to do the academy thing. And I was thinking like, New York City, this gotta be a million motherfuckers who are great talking about rap that are gonna be like right there at his disposal. They're not. I think it's just actually like way harder than it seems. But he wants a chat, nigga.

He was one of the news from. Oh, that's what he started with. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he was trying to be nepotism. When I came in, we wasn't talking about too much rap though. Like I came in, it was like, no, it wasn't even straight gangbanging because it was me, who was the third seat?

It was wrote to court. You were talking bad about me. God bless the court era. You were talking about me. The court era was fine. But at the end of the day, it was like chapter, whatever, if this is chapter five, it was the end of chapter four or whatever the case was. And we were more breaking into the end of the end of the end of the end of the end of the end of.

You've always popped in out. I just came on the brink of one. And then I wasn't the podcast watching type dude. Like I watched like hell of a documentary. on YouTube and all that. And if I see Adam with somebody that I deal with, like I'll watch it or I'll come up here with them or whatever. And like, I'm like, Flacco had me.

And then he's like, man, you should start potting. Yeah, Flacco was the one who suggested you. Wow. That's fucking crazy. Yeah, Flaco, like, open my eye up to it. He's like, all that shit that you do on Instagram and shit. Like, I'm pretty sure you and Adam, like, y'all. He was an automatic fan favorite.

The vivid first memory I remember. I remember seeing you was when you did an interview with Adam and you had like a pink hoodie on. Yeah. And you was telling the, like the whole thing, it was like two and a half hours of stories. No, it was that crazy jacket, wasn't it? It was something super, it was something super wild.

Yeah, I just remember he came in a white tea holding a big ass jacket, like an expensive as designer jacket. He's like, threw it off for the interview. And I was like, that's some callie-ass shit right there. I had seen you a million, you know, just little clips here and there. That was my first run through. That was a classic interview. That shit was lit, you know what I'm saying?

But right of a lot of you. You already kind of had like a nice... Right around that time, too, was when he did the Cam Capone shit that went like hell of viral. That's awesome. Because that's one thing that Brigh baby brings to the table that I always appreciate it is he has like the most unfiltered, just like the cigarette's street perspective possible. Which I was coming from the AD. AD is like the most filtered fucking cigarette you ever going to smoke in your life. Which is just like a very different experience.

Yeah, he's a filtered Newport because it's like he can't really like say shit. Marlboro ultralight. Because he's terrified that anything that. and he says it's going to basically, like, hurt his ability to go to the club and drink 1944 with them, you know? He's very political. He's trying to shame him for being compassionate. Nah, just for being a drunk.

He said that nigger has feelings for people. Yeah, but it's not like legitimate feelings. It's just like, oh, I hope they let me in their section. Yeah. No, hey, no, no, no, we didn't let you. He didn't know. He took you to the club one time and that he did right. Most of the time.

Who told you that? Who told you that? Who told you that? This is the glaze couch. No. I know, look. Glaze couch memes. You told him.

You told him. We starving. I need some glazed couch memes. There's better than that. He's not in the club begging for shit. That's a fact. And if this is the glazed couch is your flow. We don't want to do corn.

Basically what he said is, no, not like that because they need my boy, but it's like, he don't want to, he don't want to hinder his gang bank career. What he said is like he can go out, motherfucker's staring out. I always been one of the most hated around here. I don't care. I've been the same way. Oh, boy. From day one.

I've been the same way from day one. You all are just two different people. Everybody. So it's like even like, even like with me speaking on certain people, it's like, man, I have told you this to your face. Like I'm right. Yeah. You can't deny what I say.

That's why you don't hear no rebuttal after I say it. Like, y'all don't really want to bring that back up. The only people that talk crazy about me and to me is my. Get people to pay attention to that kind of content. Do you feel like that? And what do you feel like are the trends or the things that are actually making you guys excited or want to tune into people's podcasts, given that we just, we're still kind of in the early days of podcasting, but at the same time, the ecosystem has developed a lot.

And there's a lot of things that we can really kind of identify that are working and aren't working. I want to know what you guys think that is the trends as well as like what's working right now. I don't even think it's over. It was never that simple. Like, who was a popping podcast that had that recipe? It's just a bunch of niggas on the couch. Joe Budden, right? Joe.

But he's not starting off from scratch. So a bunch of niggas that was in their basements and garages thought that we could do where the nigger who's been on loving hip hop and it's been in slaughterhouse and I had a rap career dead in two years. Or even brave idiots, radio, stand-up comedy, you know what I mean? A lot of the early podcasts were people who had illustrious careers before. Even if they weren't illustrious, they had careers. So where they weren't dropping their first episode and they got five plays.

They were at least going to do a couple, 100,000 or at least a 10,000 maybe, you know. I mean, the Joe Button podcast, when it first started coming out, was already a thing, like, from episode one. Just from him having, like, a rabid rap fan base, Twitter fan base, etc. And his is the biggest because it seemed like he showed rappers a retirement route, too. There was no rappers. Joe Button was on the internet way before it was cool to even do that. He was always the internet soldiers era. He had his own message board.

He was doing direct-to-consumer sales on his website years before. If you go to his YouTube channel that they post the podcast on and you sort. by the oldest episodes. We're going to see these crazy-ass little minicam recordings of him and Tahiri, like, just hanging out doing random shit. Yeah, it's actually crazy. Because I remember watching some of that shit when it came out. The bigos made Joe, but.

But by that point, he's already like four years into the podcast. To your point earlier, when you were like, oh, you would figure there'd be a bunch of fools in New York City that know about hip-hop and you can kind of just juxtapose them I mean, you're going to have a great conversation, but you can't force his chemistry and what those type of shows are dependent upon his chemistry. All of these shows are dependent on the chemistry.

Well, not all of them anymore. Back when, so, like, that era of homies kicking it, like tone was saying, it's not as easy to do. And, uh... Because your homies aren't famous. And your, your homies don't take podcasts in the sense. And a lot of people are mediocre. You know, you know that about it.

So, like, when we all been podcast, podcast and they've done interviews. They've done 100 plus interviews before I even met them. Same with me. I did 100 plus interviews before I met them. So it's like we even know just for our own individual missions before we came together how hard it was to find people that are like, oh, you fuck with this shit for real. Oh, let's get it.

Turn the mic on. You know, like really do it and be homies, build that relationship with each other because we've known each other for just a little bit over a year now. The crazy thing about y'all is that you guys all. actually watch the same fucking podcast which throughout my life has always kind of been

the struggle with podcasting is very difficult telling a brick baby to watch a two-hour podcast I mean this motherfucker got things going on he's doing things out here like I mean that's not always

going to be the easiest ask and I you know a lot of people it's kind of harder I judge them more harshly because they really do just be sitting around the crib but he really out here moving and grooving

but when I'm on the Yeah, no, I'm rolling. But I, yeah, yeah. Moment it's honest. But when I'm on the road, since Adam had put me in this space and then he started, I start picking up that type of stuff. Like, that's what I do. It helps you become a better podcast.

I just listen to the podcast, watch the podcast. That's how I did end up growing. It's like only so much Joe Budden I could take, though. Of course. But as an L.A. dude, that's how it was crazy. The L.A. dudes have a very different attitude about, like, if you're a, Like, if you're in New York, Joe Button podcast feels like Hot 97. Absolutely.

When you're in L.A. It's a different vibe. It's still known and people seeing in the clips, but like it's not the same rabbit vibe, right? This is like, power 106 big boy in the morning to people. You feel me? Like, this is, literally. And beyond that, you've had me watch horrible Netflix shows about Amish women getting abortions. Remember that?

What was that called? I don't know. But that sounds funny, though. Yeah. Yeah. No, that one was terrible. It was like a sad as shit ever. I forget what it was called.

I don't know. Escaping the Amish or something? No, it was some movie, bro. No, they got that one's tight. The escaping the Irish. Tell us in the comments. Tell us in the comments. Yeah, yeah.

But you watch some wild ass shit. I was like, damn 22. But yeah, finding that. But then, and then we've also expanded what we watch, because we had foundational podcasts that we watched together. But now we're watching, you know, white people. Yeah, like, Bray idiots was like our main foundation.

Loudspeaker everything. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's where we're watching. we all kind of have our foundation from and then it branches outside of that, you know what I mean? But yeah, at this point now we watch things, but as a new generation or like a new wave of podcasting, we see, I think one of the things I know I keep in mind consciously

is like we want to make sure that we maintain that chemistry on screen, which is an old to the old, the first generation of podcasting, but you do have to keep up with some sort of niche of trending topics too. You know what I mean? Which I didn't think about at all. The whole early era of the No Jumbers show with me, house phone, and Camgirl,

I feel like there were no topics. I didn't give a fuck what they were talking about. Like, literally, who cares? They might touch on something that just happened, but that was not the foundation. You only, we would only turn,

tune into doing topics when it became obvious, like, oh, we can't just, like, make fat jokes about each other the whole fucking episode, you know? That's what it was.

Which I think, like, Dave dealt with that as well. Yeah, yeah. Fat jokes are fire, though. Fat jokes are all right, but it's like, you know what it is? It's like,

All right. I've done this because I remember when I interviewed Rory and Mall, I went back and listened to like the first episodes of the Joe Brunner pod. Yeah. And it's insane how much they were talking about going to the club, giving Marissa a hard time about like, oh, you were, you were dancing on this dude and oh,

I wasn't. Oh my God. What are you guys talking about? And like I feel like us, it's like that. It's telling like drug stories and stuff. That's like the low hanging fruit that we just like easily gravitate towards that we have to kind of like intentionally try to rise above.

Because that's the easiest fucking thing. in the world. You got to live a more for a full of life. That's all that... That's all that we needed as podcast listeners back then. Yes.

That was entertaining. It doesn't cut it no more. Now you have to... Now you... There's a certain amount of people you have to prove that you're good at creating some form of content now.

You know what I'm saying? There's like... You need to... What content do you have looking back at your catalog? Like, no, they did this. They did that. Like, that shit is nice.

They might be fucking around over there, but they mastered how to do this style of podcasting, you know what I mean? And then if you have the camaraderie, you can eat forever. We can just stop doing trending topics. Your core fan base will still rock with you. Exactly.

If you have that rapport with somebody, you can just bounce off each other for hours, you feel like, that's like, yeah. And look, like, I want to ask y'all, am I delusional to think that me and Raider with Onusikwin, look, he had that vibe? You know what I'm saying?

There's definitely something there. Yeah, y'all did. You know what I'm saying? I'll say that I saw more of the dark room than the one that y'all shot here, though. The dark room. That's our own. I feel like you might have been, I don't know, you might have been giving it up more in the other space. Ever since Pollard pulled up.

Yeah. Different vibe. Well, them to the funk's way. Yeah. Ain't nobody pulled up. You got, you got the, you got the, you got the top button bender button up is crazy. He's giving like. Yeah, you don't have a shirt on.

You should button just the top button. I was thinking about it, but you know what? I can't even say Funo more, so I can't fucking butt my shit like that. You can't? No, I'm just playing. I'm about I said it. I'm about saying they confiscated that word for you. I'm not going to lie.

I knew you were white. He's given coming down. When you started kicking him with him, I dead-ass thought you're Hispanic, bro. I was like, yeah. He can get him where he fits in. He is really, he is really like. You see him at Temple? For sure, he's given Jew.

It depends how clean his beard is for the day. I'm from West L.A. We're like super culturally diverse. I grew up around Mexicans. You know what? I functioned with Mexicans. I functioned with black folks have either. I know that for sure.

If you went to jail, what you're running? I fuck what I says. You running double A. Mexican adjacent. I've been saying that from the beginning, but I ain't going to no jail. I didn't do nothing wrong. I'm just saying, straight up.

I have a question. Good luck on New York. Let's say that this mass calling of shows never happened. And let's say that G-Face had a show on the channel. Do you think that we would have, we should have retired that show if that had existed, given recent events?

Yeah. Well, I mean, no, you would want to be friends with them at that point. Because he's an informant? You would just keep them, yeah. Well, no, you would want to be friends with them. You don't piss them up. Hey, hey. Hey, you know, I'm living life by the book.

So you wouldn't have given the shit about being on camera with him? No, I wouldn't have been on camera. I wouldn't have been the first place. I've been telling people. was a buddy. Oh, shit. That's why you ain't, you ain't seen me with him at all.

I'm just telling you the truth. I've been saying that shit. There's too much flashy shit going on for me, and I know the little shit that I do. Yeah, yeah. I'm just confused, you know what I'm not? Nah, 1090 brought some new shit to the table.

It was, I thought it was not from where I was standing. It was kind of already looking shaky for it. Yeah, but nobody really had, like, proof. Like, everybody was telling me, but nobody really was coming with the docs. I mean, the fact that he never said, when he said that he was never from Armenian pride and he was from White Fence and then they dug up the record with him dissing whitefence

and him banging Armenian pride and then him like in pictures like, yo goes from AP. Like you get what I'm saying? Like I seen it back there like something ain't right. Yeah, you like too much. Something ain't right. I know you wouldn't want to be on camera with him. You're trying to keep your Razakard good. Probably wouldn't be the most advisable thing.

So, wait, so, Gene, he's white? No, Armenian. He's Armenian, but they run. North Carolina, North Carolina perspective, Armenian, white.

White. That's beyond. In LA, Armenian pride is Southside. Yeah, they dress, they run with the Mexicans. Oh, okay, okay. Not all of them,

doesn't white face, white fans be white face. White face. They're not an Armenian gang. Yeah, that's the, right. I'm saying, like, they beef with AP. Right. And that's one of the,

oldest Vario's one of the oldest gangs in LA, they go back to like the 1920s. But they still Thresace's though. So when they hit any jail, all that, all that stops. Up under that. Now let it be known. It's all business. Yeah, yeah.

Let it be known that Adam started the gang talk. I just got to witness it live down. I'm just trying to figure out what's going at home. Yeah, yeah. How dare you? I'm like, damn, Adam just get straight into this shit. So tell me about your politics. Since we're being messy,

you said yesterday you want to dead a lot of speculation. And a lot of people are running with all kinds of narratives and being like, oh, people are saying fig mutiny is the reason why all the shows got canceled. Other people are saying, it's because of whack 100. Like, what do you have to say about all these false narratives or? What's the funniest narrative? How could fig munity make me do anything?

They can't even make their own shit happen. Like, I just don't understand how that could be. How could they possibly take that as a W? It makes no sense. They're out here floundering. T. Rel has absolutely obliterated his own fucking fan base over the last couple months. I never seen anything like it. You know.

This motherfucker doesn't want to say anything because he knows. It's a little crazy. He on the glazed couch and he still don't want to acknowledge it. I haven't, I haven't, no, no. You got to speak on both sides. It's a little crazy. It's crazy. With what specifically?

It's just like, just a. What the content is going. It's just really dropped in the last six months, man. Say with a little bit more conviction. It came off hot. It came off hot, but it was not, it didn't hold up. He had the most potential leaving here. And just overall, I would say, just like podcasts or skill-wise.

But it's two, it's two things. It's two things what it is. T-Rill, he does that. T-Rill. Both-sider. You get to him really well. Right. You get to him really well.

Well, and that's so easy. Yeah, and I can understand why somebody like, you wouldn't stop because I like trolling the motherfucker. You know what I'm saying? Like, once I know I can get up underneath your skin, I understand you keep poking. He keeps giving in to it. You know what I'm saying? I think AD, like, kind of elevated past that shit.

He's doing a better job. He doesn't get trolled as he. Yeah, he's not, you're not able to catch him. But it's like, the more you do it, you're directly influencing his actions. And he don't realize it. I'm the puppet master. I got my hand up his ass. So it's like, so when he does get up on a new skin and he goes on a stream,

he goes all the way every time. And that's why it's funny that he's acting. He's like gloating about the fact that no jumper would be producing less content. It's actually a huge L for him because all of his most successful content is him commentating on no jumper things. You know, he doesn't have anything to say about an FBG buddy interview that gets a million views in a month or two. You know, it's like that to him, that's kind of like worst case scenario is us moving away

from the drama content because that's basically like the main thing that works on their channel and I'm not even saying that's like exaggerated to be a dick or anything that's just a fact you're saying you're in the main yeah you should pick up a catchphrase like that and you all just say it over and over and over throughout every episode that would probably work really great for you I'm honestly no I can't I'm honestly I'm honestly about to start a shout out like a shoutout counter because I it said so much I'm trying to try to shout out to some random things Yeah, it's like, I love that. I almost want to do a counter just to see how often it happens in two hours.

Man, I have to nasty. I think it's nasty. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to dogs with high top fades. I had to tell. Shit like that, yeah. I had to tell Gordy that early on like, hey, this isn't like a Grammy speech. You get what I'm saying?

Oh, yeah. Just thanking everybody. He's not thinking everybody. Right. You can do that. Your mama and God, nigga. Yeah. Keep it simple.

That's the other thing, like, that there's so many other people, and I know you can relate to this. He's a fast learner, too, though. Yeah, Gordy's great. But this is something I feel like, unless you're a cab driver, what I think that, like, you can relate to when you have motion and no jumper, right? And you wind up bringing your other people or, like, forming a show. A whole entire, your independent ecosystem, your brick baby ecosystem is now low-key, eating off of, and dependent off of your motion over there. So when there's disruptions in the forest, it affects a lot more people than just me. You're saying you don't think T.Rail can ever evolve?

Like, machine in motion, baby. We don't never. He can evolve. Anything is possible, but I will say that I had a lot of faith in him doing well as a podcaster around the time that they left. And I now have no concerns about this. That doesn't seem like there's any chance. It's like true distaste you have for this nigga.

Like, he's just an idiot. It's just, damn. He's just stupid. He's just a bum. But I have a lot of respect for the man of the house. I do think he's too mad to figure it out, though. Like, you ever been, like, lost somewhere and somebody tried to give you direction? You're like, nigga, fuck advice.

Yeah. Like, let me just be lonesome all. But you want to know what it is is that he felt like for a moment there that he was going to really be the star of the show because so many things in his life have, like, seemed like they were going to work. And then it ultimately didn't end up working. And over and over and over with the Tiger thing with the Kigua thing with the clothing store side of things and then with the back of big things so it's like privately he is panicking because he knows that like losing this momentum this much momentum in a short period of time is like pretty

unprecedented but in the short run he's just like acting as it's been over a year right but i mean it really started to go bad like the last couple months and him him silencing the red it has been like unprecedented in terms of just like that was that was a misting you can't spit in your fans face to that extent and think that you're actually going to win in the line you got to let them feed off your off of you if that's what's going to happen you got to let them do that you can decide the moment you try to silence your audience you said the shit is nasty you can decide that there are side too foul gang you was winning you could but okay you can decide that there are certain narratives that are too toxic for you to allow within your community but to completely silence your community

is so fucking dumb that it's like i don't even want to say too much about it because i i want to see him go all in on it so i don't even want to like scold him too much for it but it's pretty shocking from my perspective. You're stopping the current. Yeah, exactly. And all it's going to do is drive people to another platform that isn't that you don't have any control over, which we've seen. People that's new to ready. I'm a B.O.F2, Reg. With him, what I notice is one of the biggest, most appealing things about T-Rail was that he was so nonchalant and was like, motherfucker, I don't give a fuck. He would be able to laugh things

off so well. So to see him actually, yeah, I don't see as much of that anymore. You know what I'm saying? But to see him get rattled. But to me, that was the coolest thing about him. I I was like, damn, I remember he'd be a, he'd be sipping wine on the news, just turning the oranges in the chat. This is a guy, I'll put you on a good movie. I was like, you know what I'm saying? You know what? Somebody re-up the other day.

Somebody re-uped the old clips of like Sharp and AD arguing over San Diego being hard or not. And I'm watching the clips. And T.rell is like in that clip and his contribution in that podcast was like really good, really funny. He's like the lighthearted jester involved in the conversation. And I have not felt that fucking energy watching a clip from that shit in so long. Like that motherfucker lost himself.

And if he gets it back, then he could be successful. But I kind of doubt it. If he gets his swagger back? No, I'm probably a hard position for him. Stella needs to get her groove back. You know, you get in her nigger skin. It's like, yeah. If I'm having a bad day, I'm making sure you have one too now.

You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like, I get it. I had to go through such a serious rebrand to, like, condition the audience to realize that I do not give a fuck. It took so long because I clearly gave such a fuck and was so easy to rattle for so long that people were like, oh, I know how I'm gonna, I could literally shit the momentum. Oh, bro, you had a roast. Oh, no. Yeah.

You literally had an exorcism in front of all of us. Yeah. You're good forever. You can ask him when I was texting him, I said, bro, I mean, if we're gonna do like this no jumper news takeover thing, I vote for a lush. Most definitely. I don't even care that you start is missing the button. Like missing a whole button He just missed the button

I'm a whole ass Callie boy You feel like you got the flannel The jeans and the chucks in the LA Come on man I like the uniform You're trying harder to floco You know why? Last night

What did Messi Mark say I was playing with my nose Last night You said no candy Let's get back to your nose in one second I just want to tell the fans out there that after we get done doing this podcast approximately two two and a half hours we are going to be doing a live stream a separate live stream where we listen to music donations and read all the donations from the stream this is a stream that is not going to be archived on youtube so it'll just be

in the moment but we're going to be reading all the donations that come in during this as well as playing songs probably playing some of the shit that we fuck with as well so shout out to everybody who's down to tune in afterwards for that yeah we'll probably take like a five minute break in between. Just like the glory days. That's what a came girl and house phone used to do like the after show, after the No Jumka show. That was fire.

We're bringing it back. I'm staying out late. Let's go. Come on. You do got a new sense of enthusiasm for this shit. I'm having fun with it. It's like a hardback in the game. Josh,

orders, he got owners overall. No, I like you. You're like, I'm going to make me a bowl of oatmeal. Do you think, so earlier when you were bringing up, like going to you transitioning into this new generation of,

no new era. of no jumper producing higher quality content do you think there's a reason why like somebody like a Joe even somebody off of his branch is going to pull their own numbers do you think you know why it's like that or

I just think Joe and them have done an amazing job of just creating and cultivating that that homie crew feel you know they had it with Roy and Mall might have taken them like a year to get in the pocket with like Queensflip and all these other dudes but like that that that that to me like podcast

in hip hop at least is like two things it's like the homie's talking about shit and then there's interviews and these are like basically the two disciplines that you can choose to try to master and like I've been like kind of all in on the interview side of things

for like such a long time but when I look at Joe's success I also think that he's ingenious for the business model that they adopted with the Patreon because let's be real like they have just like a huge amount of income coming in

that probably allows them to pay for the yeah and I've seen Danny from the stop is one who pointed out to me like you go to their Patreon it'll have a little like 2,000 likes and fucking a thousand comments. You never see that on Patreon. You got to give it to them.

And that business model is just impenetrable. Like they could lose their YouTube monetization. It would be a little fucking dent. Isn't that low key what Plug Talk is though? Yeah. And that is actually, that's part of it is that my whole business model with Plug Talk is. So you saw the beauty.

Extremely simple. And I see that beauty. But okay, that's part of the thing with no jumper is that it's all about the expectations you can't tell your fans like hey i'm going to do a patreon and you need to pay for the patreon to get all this content that we've been doing all this time but you can say hey we're doing one show a week and then we're going to do a patreon we'll have another episode per week you know so so you kind of need to like set the standards a little bit lower so if you want to actually have a second tier to try to push people towards which i'm not really thinking about the patreon side of

things that much like we do a patreon i would like to do more content for it but it's not really at the forefront of my brain i think one of the biggest things too that's like uh outside of why his cast of people is able to even break away and hold their own is because Joe does he really coaches he's doing a development with the people that's around him. These aren't just people

that he's built home in relationships with like he's constantly molding and developing them. They might already have their own all of them are stars in themselves but he's the master at knowing how that star player fits in this podcast. And I've heard him say that he rewatches all the podcasts and like does game coaching shit on it,

He's crazy. I wish that. He's studying that shit. Like, if I wasn't doing so many fucking interviews, I would like to think that that is something that I would make more time for. And even like- And I was wondering, are you going to?

Because you didn't do it with the last-in- It's tough. You feel like you can media training somebody? But that's why I, not media training, but like, I feel like there's a lot of things in podcasts where you could kind of like just point out to somebody like, hey, let's re-watch this five-minute section of the podcast and talk about what happened.

Let's talk about how we didn't necessarily stay on point. Or let's talk about how we kind of speed ran through the top. and we should have slowed it down and, you know, really tried to emphasize all the different details of that. Like, that's the kind of coaching that, yeah, I wish that I, like, had done more of that throughout the years with everybody. But it's like, again, the model that we're talking about was just putting everybody on camera.

Yeah. Because I'm so busy doing every other fucking thing. Like, that's just kind of where it's gone. But I think we saw when you did do it because that was the ADT real error. Y'all was locked in on COVID. Yeah. So y'all spent more time with each other. You develop them just by spending that many more hours with them.

You know what I'm saying? Right now, you're a busy man. Interview here in and out. You know what I'm saying? You do your shows like. And then it always looks crazy developing the skill on the set. Like during the show because you always look like a dick at. Yeah.

Bad podcasting. Literally, yeah. It's a catchphrase. We should have a stopwatch and just like, turn the camera off for a second, address the issue, then boom, turn it back on. That's how you kill chemistry. No, yeah, you can't do that. That would be weird as fuck.

It's all about the first. And you can see the coaching if you get the Patreon version. And what about this? That would go crazy. That would go crazy. That would go crazy. We've now had zero days without talking about the cops. Yeah, yeah.

That would go crazy. That would be brilliant. But that would be, well, you'll feel the, your fans that you would develop off of that. That would feel some vicious shit. People like that window into reality. They do. They do. So, Wack declared 10 days of peace at no jumper.

He's just talking. And then. Do what he does. What? Okay. For the record, Wack had no idea that I was going to announce this shit. He's the last person I would have wanted to tell in advance. No, I didn't tell him.

He's going to air it out. It's going to be a club. It's going to be a club. Come on. Yeah. Raynor is convinced that it's whack. Raider is convinced that it's whack. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He should be worried about whack. He's 100% convinced. You know, the white boy. He's going to turn you into a fucking chalupa, my friend. I think that I think that what Raiders been saying

is like you know hood politics and all that side he did they just he wants to run the one on one are you serious yeah that's what he's been saying

yeah wow you're gonna take that fave for a man controller this is this is because he's still gonna want it I know I more gravity

it comes with me yeah you know that you know that thing yeah he's cool with it first and foremost he's gonna turn down out of fade, he's going to have a million reasons.

But the number one reason is that y'all already hops. And he's going to play that to the fullest. He's going to say you can't fight a Mexican. Yeah. Was that? Without his whole hood. It's just a good excuse, so I don't know.

He's going to say, he's going to say. He's going to say it's gang politics. They don't get head up. That's what he goes. Who knows? If fools were able to transcend that and actually do that, that would be really cool. It would be great.

That would be dope as fun. How long you think it's going to... No, that's what, but what I was asking was with him declaring the 10 days of peace and then violating the 10 days of peace being one of the first violators, right? He's going to break the face. Like, how does he feel about it?

Because I ain't been watching that today. I ain't going to go long. I've been on the road. I ain't been trying to pay attention to no jumper. I mean, whatever. Like, he fucking ran up in here. He had the whole interaction with Flaco. I mean, I don't, I don't.

Did you drop an episode after that? Did you talk about that in your episode? Me and him talked about it right afterwards, but I was missing the information, which was basically that it was all cap. Because Spider didn't say shit about his neighborhood. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And fucking Flacco didn't, you know.

Yeah. That's what I said when I first said. It didn't look real, especially, like, to be honest, I was like, damn, Flacco doesn't look like he has an ounce of fear in his heart at that moment. Because he knows he got his crips right there to protect him. He was stone, bro. Yeah.

Yeah, because he, he seen, remember how he reacted with fucking 16 shot him? He don't want to repeat of that. He spit at that fool. Like, he was like, Flacco was ready to fight. Flocko, yeah, that was sick. At least he did. He moved. He moved.

Give me a review of poetic flaco as a podcaster. Dun, dun. I think Flacco is good. I like Flaco as a, I like Flacco as a content creator. I think he's figured out, I think we all recognize that. Like, there was a moment when he's just like, he figured these videos out and boom, it's popping. You know what I'm saying?

But even as a podcaster, bro, every time I haven't podcasted with him much, but I've done the news with him now three times. And hopefully we'll do something else. I think he flows. I just haven't seen him. This is my biggest thing with Flacco. Flacco is one of the best talents here. I don't think he's ever been put with the people that know how to work with him correctly.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He's funny. He goes crazy. Yeah. He goes crazy because he goes crazy. Who do you feel like when you know of people? Yeah, because we've seen them with the mega gangster dudes.

We've seen them with, you know, Gina and Almighty who are, you know, keeping it a little bit more safe, you know. I'm going to be real. I was just telling Flacco a couple days ago, him and Sharp, but that was a different position Flocko was playing back then. When he first got here, they did that interview with that chick, and Flacco was like, low-key hyping Sharp up, and he was like, Sharp, I don't think she realized who she's in front of.

You know what I'm saying? Bro, that combo was hilarious. You know what I'm saying? So that to me was interesting. That might work, but that's also a position that Flacco might not want to play no more. Because Flacco has found his legs. He don't need to be a part of anything that's... Some big old legs.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I don't know who would go with him right now. I don't be right. I don't think there's anybody here right now that I've all seen him grow so much. I know some people, and sometimes even when I listen to it, I still get a little bit hung up on the stutter. Like, damn, this is just slowing the content down a little bit too much.

I feel like it's a good placeholder. It's like, ah. But it's easy to forget how bad ax stutter used to be. And the act got past it. See, I never did. Well, he had a Jamaican stutter. It was a little faster. So it was more of an accident.

Yeah, it was never as bad as Flocko. Yeah, but you thought he was just big in pot-to-was. Sometimes when you watch... Sometimes when you watch Act on stream, you'll still see him, like, get caught in a stutter a little bit. He's also off the hilly. He's off the potion. Yeah, a lot of people stutter. Imagine a drunk flaco. Flacco drunk is showing.

Whatsoever on his own channel. I don't know. Yeah, but that's all essay, right? It is a script, but there's two things with Flaco. Because when you notice, when Flacco is his most comfortable, the stutter is at its minimum, too. You know what I mean? If he might want to say some wild shit, but it might be a little anxiety depending on who's around. And that's why I always feel like, I feel like Flacco's stutter is always at its worst around me.

Exactly. Do you notice it? Yeah, for sure. No hate to him at all, but it just feels like when he's around me, he's like kind of second-guessing himself because of, you know, obvious reasons. But, yeah, him in his most comfortable environment, crafting the show, however he wants to do it, I think he'll, I think it'll be. Yeah, we got to get him on episode too because I never really got the full gist of what was going on with him not being with the girl anymore. The girl that he allegedly spent all that money on. Did he really say that she fucked blast?

Well, here's the confusing part, right? Wasn't she a virgin? Was that made up? So here's the confusing. Part. Wait, hold on here what Donnie said. She came out here, she went to a blast concert, she spent a week in L.A.

She went home and they were following each other. Oh, Blast, you dirty dog. No, but here's the confusing part. Why did she come out to L.A. to go to a Blas concert when Flacco live in L.A.? Why wasn't she kicking it with him? She had. He went together.

Oh, they went together. They met Blas backstage. He left. So Flacco knocked his bitch right in front. I mean, Blass knocked his bitch right in front. It was like an eye knock. And that led to him wanting to leave her. Yeah, we put an Alano Blas.

We put in a lot of blast right after he said he would never do this again. He's a talented dude. The idea of him taking those talents and using them to fuck poetic Falko's bitch is pretty insane. Jesus Christ. Unthinkable. You don't know if that's still his girl yet. No, his former, former girl.

And we don't even know if they really piped. I bet if we ask Blas to be like, nah. But if, I mean, Farco, it's like. Sierra and Russell Wilson just because you not getting yours off though man

I ain't getting mine off till we get married you know what I'm saying until I can't see it But bro if Flacco can actually get in that situation But you know what

His Muslim faith is gonna stop him From doing all the ill shit We're not gonna be able to like Oh let's do a Patreon episode and have Kazumi suck his cock You know He's gonna be like nah

You're the only one He's down for that I am down for that If he was down, I'll be like, boom, here we go. This is the main event. Yeah, that's a million views right there. Flocko going Filipino? He might never go back.

Yeah, he doesn't even rhyme. He might move to Southeast Asia after that. It's crazy. Literally. It's funny to see this shit live, though, because it feels like Adam got like an entrepreneur in his head, and then it's like a degenerate, a nigga that's a little skid row.

And they're just constantly battling. It's my turn. It's my turn. And then the capitalist comes. We can get money off that. No, Flacco might be single. Ooh, I can get a porn star to suck his dick. Exactly.

Yeah, yeah. What the fuck is that. That's an Adam 22. Do you guys ever see the Patreon exclusive where Kazumi put her finger up that dude's ass? No, nigga, we read books. Yeah. That shit, craziest shit ever.

He was never seen or heard from again. Cigar guy. He disappeared. Nobody ever saw him again. One finger in the butt, boom, whole life over. He's probably somewhere. Where was Aliwood? Was he dead?

Who convinced him? He was down. Like, I think he had already had his butt finger by somebody else. Can I? Is that?

Is that? He's probably over there. That's Rick from the pop-up. Yes. Holy shit. That's funny. I just, it just hit me.

I'm like. And that's, you ain't hard for. I don't know if you follow the Instagram accounts, but. I don't.

My partners. This is funny. Yeah. You really look like a truck girl getting a dome on the at the atriot? Like, he just he just be chilling,

he looked like he got four CPS. All you listen is the fucking, you know, the truck driver earpiece, right? Yeah, we're going to talk to Rick one of these days. We need to. We need to. Would Flack will be getting Dome on the Patreon talking about? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold on, right, right, right, hold up, hold up, stop, stop, stop.

Okay, keep going. I'm ready for that. Yeah. Be legendary. You think he's guysed enough to, like, shoot on her face, like, bitch, like her choking shit? We're really working this season. We're really working. I didn't know you was doing the pilot right today. Shit, do I think he's gangster?

Yeah. I think he can pull it off. I don't think he's. Yeah. This ain't got nothing to do with us. I know Flacco this way. I think Flacco's lap is too big for all that shit. He don't wear socks with his son does.

He ain't just choking her out. From the first week that he came here, Flacco has been telling me, I'm 10 inches in girthy. In girth? That's what he says. And I always just had that description in my head. Like, that sounds insane. He's a fucking shot.

He's a horizontal dick. I don't understand. I don't know. He's saying it's 10 inches and it's girthy. It's wide, but it's 10 inches in length. I don't think you could just say shit like that without back out of it. Why are we big in flaco up like this? Why is flaco whispering that to you?

Wispair, he just said it on the podcast. Oh, he did? Yeah. He's made, he was part of that, it was part of that combo, you know. Jesus Christ. He's referenced this several times. You got to approve 10, Flak. You would have been, yeah, come on, bro.

You better be making money off that. Flack, you ain't seen your dick in like 20 years. You draw the goal? I think I called the wrong one. I got a couple flokos on the phone. I feel, I feel like that'd be someone on a certain point. He's a do-not-disturb guy. All the time.

Yeah, he's at, uh, he's definitely. and he's losing weight now, sir. You think he's losing weight? He's... That's what he said? True for the details. He needs to do like a Myron arc. He needs to look like Myron from Fresh and Fit.

That's the Flaco I'm trying to see. Wow. He couldn't... Yo, Flaco! Yo, we are live on the No Jumper show. We were just wondering what your plans were for your private life now that they're a single man. Do you want us to line you up with Kazumi or what?

This daughter's about to go crazy watch. Nah, man. You listen, you're, listen, I'm doing the, like, the, like the, 20V-1, right, on May 30th. With who? Oh, shit. With your plug talk, like, with the four-star. You're on? Oh, you're on it with Violin Myers.

Holy shit. Oh, shit. No way. No, not, not Viola Myers. Adriana Chetchick. Yeah. Right? And you feel me?

Is she good? You know. She's the greatest. I would. I would be, too. Everything. But especially head. What does she look like?

Did she white? She white? She looked good But she's The head is like I don't look like She can look like the dog It would matter

Because of the head You're gonna make her Eat it fly Hey listen man I'm like You're like Save the bitch Me

What did you say you're gonna save the bitch Lockhart Freakings Freaky shit You told me change your life You told me to make her Waste up there Save

You're not gonna make her Eat it first Without without her even Eating it You gonna do that Yeah Blacka, she might not be done working on. But wait, this is like Dr. Umar would be very disappointed in this conversation.

We got a new arc. That's not sex, Flacco. Dr. Umma, John would be upset? You said, you said, yeah. Flacco, would you be with me? Flacco, how the fuck does this nigga know me? Would you be in a serious? Would you be in a serious relationship with a white woman at this point in your life?

What? Snuffling. Nah. Nah. He's not. He said that reluctant. All right. You're a racist.

He's lying. He's from North Dakota. What are you saying? I'm like considering now, listen so white, no, but I have expanded like my like horizon, bro. I've seen like one, two minute like Dominican bitches and I've said, okay, like

I can like extend my range to like the Dominican. Yeah. They're brown enough. They're brown enough. So much respect. When's the last time you got one off, Flak? Brick is right. Let's get to the other questions. I was fucking a bitch or like beat my dick. Man, either one.

All right, that's enough, Flacco. It's crazy. It's crazy. Either one. No, the bitch. Five months ago? Yeah, five months ago. Five months. You beat off five months ago?

Hell yeah. That's why he did that fast. Yeah, man. All he practiced is semen retention, huh? Yeah, he got a whole gallon in there. Yeah, yeah. He got a whole bucket of Sherman Williams in there. Ask you how.

Ask now. Yeah, listen. I have to put you on the hot-beat men. Why are you in a W? Yeah, yeah. Man, we already talked about that. I did call that motherfucker and he just didn't pick up. I guess I still got to talk to him.

But, yeah, I did call him. He just didn't pick up. I don't know why he's trying to paint the fake narrative, but I'm kind of used to that at this point. All right, love you, Flacco. Yeah, I said I love you. Yeah, no. He courage friends.

Yeah. Slow down, slow down, buddy. You know he's your most valuable. I can't say I love you to my employee. I mean, I'm calling him to talk about his cock. Oh, yeah. I always tell out of my level before I go to bed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Every night I get a call before bed. When you roll over. This is a good. This is a good time. Even I'm on, Do Not Disturb. He calls me a couple times on the Rosa. It picks up. I love you.

Oh, I love you. Jesus Christ. All right. So where we're, can we put the topics up on screen? Just if anything looks interesting. We don't have to talk about ourselves. But G-Face, we didn't get into that. Yeah, how are you feeling about that?

How are you feeling about it? I said topics, not chat. Like, do you feel like a little weird? About what? Like, doing content with him and shit? Like, just not knowing, thinking he was a geek. I would be happy to extend my platform to him if he wants to explain himself and if he's willing to be honest and everything. I don't really feel bad about the prior interviews I did because it's not like I ever could have known that shit was going on.

I didn't say bad. I said, do you feel a little weird? Like, not knowing it was informed. Did you believe that shit? He was telling me. Hold on. Google the definition of regret for everything. Adam referred.

Yeah. What the fuck do I care? Why would I regret it? It was a good time. No, but you know who like made a statement on it? Alex Alonzo at one point had like a community post on YouTube where he was talking about how we need to stop people in the podcasting environment from doing content with people that are not good in their own community, which I thought was an interesting point. I'm not mad at that. Because obviously it's a slippery slope. Some people are not good with certain parts of their community. There's probably people that you could think.

from your hood that some people would say that they're perfectly a okay and some people would say no they should never be on a podcast like is is it wrong for no jumper to platform people who are from a certain environment and are viewed as goofies in that environment i would say that it's fine unless we are being so polite that we don't acknowledge basically like how they're viewed in their own community right that's the thing like no jumper is a media platform you're putting a magnifying glass on their goofy right for the world to see and it's not like oh you're a representative because you're from this hood now this hood look this type of way it's like no this fool's false claiming this hood doesn't get respect over

there and gets shout to you clapping you know i'm not that's my italian side i like that man that's good you know yeah mean lefty gunplay got the same mannerisms bro why's he says telling his ops to suck his dick he said what he said he said you wearing all red i'm gonna make you give me head make you give me head I'm like, what? Oh, you said that? Lefty gunplay. I never mind.

I thought it was the first way you said it. I was like, that's the exact year. No, no, no. It's not really a freestyle and that shit when he kind of snapped on that motherfucker too. I only heard that one bar. I'm sorry. Nah, I said, uh, you were Snoopy Nice because still got a cool relationship.

Okay, but do you put him in the G-Face category just because he like allegedly hood hopped early on his? No, he has, I mean, it's the T-C dude is going back to trial and all that. Like he's definitely, that's for sure 100%. And then he didn't hood hop. He just, they don't, he's viewed as not from over there. You didn't hear him say, really fuck them dudes because y'all sided with Brick Baby and said,

I'm not from over there. But I want to see him on the platform. Because you don't give a fuck. But if you were from his hood, no, I wouldn't. You'd be like, no, Adam, don't put him on. Adam, I said, do it. It makes sense right now. I was saying for you.

I wasn't trying to be involved. I mean, like right now, from our perspective, I feel like the platform can, can tolerate people who are not good in their community, as long as it's a relatively minor percentage of the whole, right? Well,

I also feel like if this had been four years ago, this is crazy. I'm not for a long time, man. You see how he went from a rap lyrics and like, yo, what's good with that shit, right? Chris may be explaining. This is all it's talking on this. He hopped his hood.

No, listen, I bought it like that. But I knew Adam before all this shit. Adam just happens to find yourself in bullshit-ass places. Yeah, those things. Yeah, this thing is. People were doing, like, the bow-wow challenge and, like, the Soldier Boy challenge and all that. Like, I feel like that would have been a challenge.

The, like, say, fuck no jumper. Okay, fuck no jumper. Fuck no jumper. You know what I'm saying? Like, I figured that that whole video of him would have become a challenge. some point. That would be no.

That's what I just figured. I seen people doing it. That's okay. So it did. As soon as I saw the video of him getting chased up the stairs, I started saying like, because I was with Kareem, I was like, bro, we got to find a banana and a 10 stair. That's what I'm saying. Because I need you to chase me up the tent stair with the banana and tell me you're going

to kill me and shit. That would be so funny. I was with my kids, so I didn't really feel comfortable doing it with her in the car. Right. No, I thought for show that would have got exploited and become like a whole viral. Disneyland doesn't stop you know. To be fair, you did say, I had to walk away from my family for a second while I'm at Disneyland.

Goofy walked through in the background. Yeah, yeah. No, and I'm having to control my voice because I don't want the parents around me to know what I'm fucking screaming about this on the phone. No question's asked. That was still the best one. Does Len a trip on you if you're like making like beef videos in the crib

and like she overhears it and tears going in and shit like that? I'd keep her very separate from that side of things. Like, She will scold me if she even sees me looking at the Reddit. Yeah. I hide all that. Oh, she don't even like that in front of her. It's like, you got a sick of this.

This is bad energy. She sees that orange. She's like, oh, hell no. She's about to make another business decision. He's reading Reddit. No, I'm trying to find. Okay, I got it. I'm going to send it to you.

Okay. No, I got my list of topics. We don't even need to put it on the fucking the screen. Out of... Moderately bad podcast? I think that sis is wearing the pants right now. Who, Lena?

Yeah, he just said you can't look at the Reddit without getting beat up, bro. Shout out to my sister, when we're spending quality time together, that's just like bad energy for me to be looking at that sort of thing.

You don't agree? We get scoff. The same way that there is, there are YouTube channels that I hate watch and I would never hate watching in front of her. I don't want to load her up

with that baggage. Yeah. You know? Any opi shit? No, I can't bring that into the family environment. We share the TV, so she's starting to like certain podcasts and, like,

YouTube channels. She's getting tuned down. She's at, like, Madrowski level. You don't watch, you don't watch point in the shoe in front of her. That's a nice introduction. Yeah. You got a nice introduction to, like, before we dip into some other kinds of. You got a tradition of like a sports team.

It's like, whatever dad's favorite team is, that's what everybody liked. Yeah. She's watching me every time I'm live. So you're good. Yeah. Guaranteed. Yeah. Of course.

That's good. You got a synograph. You know what is going to be the first thing we watch on the live stream part of this is Remble dissing. The Stink Team over the Not Like Us Beat, which I have not heard yet, but I've seen that it exists and that's pretty fucking crazy. My little brother Smokey said to me this morning, it is. It's offensive. It's worth watching. Oh, sure.

Shout to the Stink Team. Which is the whole. The whole, Remble, you weren't listening. Remble did a diss to the Stink Team over the house. You said it was hot. You was like, yeah, shout out. Did a stink team? No, I ain't heard of you.

I can't fucking say top yet. Hey, I'm a neutral party and as far as all that goes, but as far as musically, like I always felt like Rambo was a spitter. I think it's hard. It's one of the most unique and original emcees out of L.A.

That's my best, I mean, I don't know. I don't meet people that fall out because personal decisions. So it's like, you know what I mean? Like, you have to show me. I'm going to show me. I've been there a million times.

That's why I just think it's crazy that he's fucking from there. But they're like, like, a desert. That's what I hear, yeah. I haven't been to the, The gutter house part. I was about to say, yeah.

Because Rancho, Sapitra. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because I was in Long Beach for all those years. We used to go over there and ride all the fucking time. So I'm like, you'd ever see projects in that? I've seen some, like, shady looking area.

I don't think I ever know this project. No, my fuck is go to the Korean bell and they go to the viewpoint and where you can see Catalina and all that. But, like, they don't see the other side. It's just like people don't realize there's a hood in Venice. There's a hood in all the, you know, a lot of beach front communities. Project back there. Yeah, exactly. Bro, we went to a nice-ass restaurant in Venice the other day,

and when we were driving there, we were driving through some fucking neighborhoods with some fucking G's standing on the corner. Like that out of the plane? And then, like, you're two blocks away from that, and boom, you're at this fancy-ass restaurant on, I forget what the streets called Abbott Kinney. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I couldn't believe it. I'll be sad. It's not like a game maker's now. You go on the other side of Lincoln. It's a little bit different. Yeah, that's right next to each other. Abbott, is that based off that? Is that an Abbott Elementary show is supposed to be?

Ava Kinney was an explorer like a dude and he's one of the original like architects of Venice, California. I just know it's like one of the main streets that fucking run from Marina to Venice. You said that's one of the McDonald's. You know, because literally you're going to let me know how dangerous it is over there. And he's like, well, he was an explorer. It's like I think I got everything I needed to know about that street. I was like I got knocked out by that bridge. Like you're going to get two very different L.A.

perspectives that don't contradict each other but from a whole other angle when you get me and Rick. I definitely was on Abbott Kitty what I just did four years. Abit Kitty used to be like it was like Venice was really seedy back in the day. No, but what I'm saying is what I took, I was living on the water

and I was on high speed Chesdale Aviccitty. Oh, sure. You guys walk around Venice yet? No. No. Man, you got to go check on Muscle Beach. Yeah. It's the weirdest thing you'll ever see in your life. Big ass outdoor gym on the beach with a bunch of swole-ass steroids. Royed monster just working out outside.

Yeah, no 22ster, but these dudes just out here just stunning. That's where Arnold Schwarzenegger and shit would be out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, we definitely. Venice Beach, like the football. Arnold Schwarzeneges. You walk around there for 10 minutes, you're going to see it. He can't come back?

He can't come back because he's banished. He's banished. But he ran off on the stairway plug. Nah, he fucked over Tiki. Wait, who did? Arnold Schwarzenegger. They used to live weights together. Wait, really?

He could decide the petition for Tiki not to die and just get life. he still, they took his name off the stadium in his home country and all that over that. For real? Are you serious? Yeah. Damn. Yeah.

Let me find out, Arnold. Yeah. You know what Tuggy Williams is doing? Ticki Williams is dead. I wish we weren't live. Yeah. You want into that one too. Because he told us.

Are you supposed to be the gang expert? Apologies to the Crips. I've already earned my Callie banging pose with this with this. I can see it coming now. God damn it. No, because there's somebody I was thinking of that me and Vlad were having a conversation with about how... No, but I think me and Vlad were talking about how he was chasing after the Tiki Williams interview for a long-ass-time and never actually was able to make it happen. So I briefly forgot that he was dead there.

Sorry. But yeah, so all right, I'm going to consult the list of topics. The first one that we have not touched yet, video leaks of Diddy Assaulting Cassie. Let's talk about some heavy shit. A lot of us were at least a little bit skeptical. because there was kind of a lack of evidence. You had a lot of personal testimonials about Diddy, but we didn't really have in your face evidence

like what we got when we saw this tape of him and Cassie. Does this change your opinion about what you think of the man? I don't know. Who wants to grab the mic? No, no, I always thought a niggian called him. I've always heard stories about this niggas crazy. So it's like when I saw the video, it was just like, damn, like this shit is crazy.

Like, it's as true as it can get. But, nah, the video was ridiculous. Like when he sat down, thought a little bit, and threw the base at it, that shit is crazy. You can't trust a nigga whose rebrand was to call himself love. Yeah. Like, that's how you know, nigga, you fake positive. I'm love now.

I'm just going to embody, you know what I'm saying? Metal world piece is different. You know, that's a Muslim name. Is it? Oh, okay. He was giving us life to God. For a lot. But, you know.

How is that a word? How is that a Muslim name? Huh? How is that? It was four. You got to ask Ron Artes. Yeah, it was for that. He took the name odd at a certain point

where he was trying to rebrand. Wasn't it after that gigantic fight? Yeah. At the Madison in the Palace. You know he used to drink Hennessy at halftime. He said that he used to get drunk at that. You could just do that. Yeah, he could do what you want.

I feel like did he, I mean, like, it's a compulsive behavior of having power. And your significant other is supposed to be. be a significant other and you're not supposed to like try to overpower and we them because you're a powerful person you got to have a soft spot somewhere I think that's what he was which inevitably ends up happening we talked about on the uh the news or whatever okay it was just like when you hand somebody golden handcuffs it's you know it's the goal it invented and it inevitably gets abusive you know I mean like you just start to abuse that power you start to beat on it start to

fuck in he seems to get aroused by dehumanizing people. And like it seems to be just part of like his pathology of the way he treats, especially people that are close to him, especially people that work with him. And this has been an ongoing thing. And we've known this for so long. And we've known, I mean, like, beyond just the dark cloud, which could be coincidental, that shrouds his name with the death of Biggie, with the incarceration of G. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the shine situation, the death of black rob. Okay. But you're combining a bunch of things that he couldn't really possibly be responsible for

like the biggie thing and the G-Deb thing was something that he's like clearly responsible. He laid that line walks up. Cheesecake. Yeah, but he explained on the pot. That explains everything. Shout to my boy. That was E-Ness and he explained that it looked

a lot worse than it really was. Yeah, of course. With the cheese. Of course. Yeah, yeah. And he said they got to stop and get snacks and shit. And now he's got his own cheesecake brand. So you feel me?

He flipped the script on it. Like, but regardless of, are they eating off that? They walked to get the dev. I don't think making the band is just participating. He is his own cheesecake. Oh, he does. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Oh, that's all right. So he's capitalized off of it in the flyest way he buys. He does. But that wasn't his plan. He was just trying to make a little bit of first. Of course. No, my point is obviously he's not necessarily. Handful of those events I mentioned, he is partially responsible for, like the shine thing.

Regardless, Biggie's death, potentially, we don't know for sure. But, you know, there's a lot of strong speculation that alludes to that. But beyond that, that's just referring to the dark cloud that he's shrouded in. Now we've heard all these different rumors of abuse for years. And now giving this actual visual to it, it's kind of like off the chain. It's the dot at the exclamation mark of like, damn, Diddy, what's really good, fool?

But do you think people are overreacting when they see that clip in the sense that they are basically convicting in their mind, Diddy of every single thing that has been said about him because of the existence of that one video? Well, is that a little bit too much of an overreach? I think it's more so like we see this. Now everything else could be true. So let's just wait and see, but this is damning enough.

Nicky, did you see him run through that lobby? It's like he did it before he came through, got it on the ground, bowed, picked the bag up, drag. He wouldn't even make, he didn't even make eye contact with it. Certain parts of it seemed like it was in a movie. Literally. That's how unreal. I thought it was AI at first.

And it's crazy because even if like 20% of all the stories that we heard are real, like 20%, that's a lot of dirt. That's a big one is. That shit, muddy. That shit stink. You know what I mean? I mean, the footage is disgusting at the end of the day, though. Yeah.

I mean, it's really no, like, it's fucked up, bro, like, anybody. I mean, there's no way to look at it and be like, well, I took that back. I guess if you're the type of nigga that does that, then I guess you can look at that and be like, damn. That wasn't that bit. Yeah, but, I mean, if you're an average human that's, like, you know, got empathy for somebody going through that and looked like she was trying to escape. No, yeah, because I'm good. I got water, but, no, I kind of, like, wonder, because I have an interview this dropping pretty soon where it was a rapper speaking, like, very openly about. how he does not hold back when it comes to assaulting his girlfriend.

And that was, I was really trying to like push him in the direction of like, nah, like you don't really want to say that. And he was doubling down on it. And I'm just like, in the light of that fucking ditty thing, I'm just like, man.

What do you mean he's open to it? Like, he was just saying that's part of, like, their life, like she's going to get smacked. Like he's not, he was not, I had to beat my bitch before I ate breakfast, but that's fine. That kind of thing. Could I ask you all a hypothetical question?

Let's say you're walking down the street and you see a dude beating the shit out of a woman. Would you intervene? Not if they're homeless. That's their culture. They'll be doing that. That's more, that's relevant to fear. I don't know if that's relevant in my eyes, but let's say they're not homeless. No, I'm probably not doing nothing.

No? And I'm not going to feel bad for it neither. I'm not going to feel like I'm not Superman. I'm not God. I can't save everybody. What do you think he Hancock? Yeah. What if the guy looks like Shaq?

What if, like, you intervening is, makes it very likely that you are going to be the one paralyzed. I probably try to plead with him. Like, nigga, you could be using these talents or something else. But that's intervening. Even if you're a basketball course. My God, you're seven feet tall. You don't need to be doing this.

You could drive my like, hey, man, y'all just quit that in the middle of everything. What? Yeah, yeah. Like, come on, man, y'all, yeah. I'm not saying, just, just a while. But what does that lead to? But where does the A lead to? It leads to one, two or two things.

You leaving or you just getting off the car and having to fight the nigga. I'm just saying, I, if they're showing out, like, where they could go to jail and there's a couple like, hey, man, you all cool out. You want to know what I think that's the equivalent. That's the equivalent of telling the homeless nigga to stay hydrated. Like, it's not really doing it. I spoke my piece. I'm not hopping out to stop you.

That's a different story because then if he wants to do something. and then the nigger did something for not minding my business. Now, if it was, you find out this. Now, if it was like a... We're gonna do something to each other at the end of the day. But if it was like your comrade, right?

If it was your comrade... Definitely. You heard... You're saying something, right? I'm talking about strangers. The odds of your only trying to kill you over that is much lower than a random person. You don't know what you're walking into.

Like, they could just be... They could be on, I'm being energy and then you try to intervene. Now, I'm on killing energy. You know? They can switch real quick. So... She might even... The intervention is not only on her behalf, it's on his behalf as well.

Because you're like, hey, you do it. So what was Diddy's security guards doing? Like, they want to tell the stories which I was watching this shit. They obviously wasn't watching the door because Cassie got out that bitch. Probably there was no security because they were just chilling in the room. You know what I'm saying? Right, because Gene Deal had a quote where I didn't actually watch the clip, but he was saying that she was stealing a fucking watch.

I heard that. You know, all this shit. Like there was possessions in the bag that belonged to him that was very prized. And so, like, on top of her trying to leave. After he and called her a million bitches and bum assholes and all that, you stupid bitch and all that. Yeah, she tried to cuff something, get up out of there. So she knows that shit don't mean nothing to you. Yeah.

You're trying to keep her on zero broke in the house, talk shit about her. You get what I'm saying? Why you have your way. But, okay. And he stole her from Ryan Legley to begin. If you saw a dude, if you saw a dude really, like, brutally beating a chick, I feel like a lot of us would just snap into, like, I don't know. need to stop this mode, right?

Thank you. Yeah, brutally. Broodily. No, I'm thinking, like, I'm probably picturing like a really bad one in my head. I feel like you would just have to. No, and okay. So, and because I was in this very same room a year and a half ago, having this same conversation and was admonished and called a stimp for saying that I would

want to intervene and do something. But who are you talking to? But you got to stand on your morals. I think it was sharp. Oh, for sure. He said this. Why? You saw him do the wrong.

guy. Suspects and somebody else. Oh, yeah. Come on, man. You gotta say that around Jim. We all could have told you what those answers are going to be, man. Yeah, baby. I just want to know if I was...

I mean, you don't even have to... Yeah, no, you're not driven for that. Yeah, no, fuck though. Yeah, when you're... But there is a certain level of cautiousness that you need to be in those situations. We need to assess. You need to assess whether it's a rabbi,

just yell something out. Stop. I was in mixed company the other day and having a conversation. And at a certain point, I was like, no, it's just like certain people started to like kind of like I saw that people were shocked when I said something that imbibed that I know and I'm friends with multiple pimps. And I like kind of realized in that moment, like, you can't just acknowledge that in normal conversation with boring white people.

Like they're just, they're just going to be shocked. Because when you said mixed company, I said, okay, I know what that. There's a lot of environments in my life in which, like, normal, no jumber shit is seen as very, very shocking. You code switch more than most black people probably. Yeah, you do. For sure. Many codes. For sure.

I'm a game genie. Naguer, you are. I got codes. You're a real excuse. That's why I'm going to say, he's standing on his shit. That's what it's like. He's going to code switch and staying on that shit. I fuck with it.

Adam speak Hoover in Hebrew. He speaks. He speaks all that shit. Thoughts break, baby. You learned Uber first? No, I don't speak that language. I don't know what they're going. I don't speak at all.

I know big deal. He's very chill. Yeah, big deal. dope. Yeah, he's a nice guy. Sign language. How do you feel, because I feel like it's more pressure for large hip-hop media figures and powerhouses?

I feel like the pressure is on them to announce the video. And ditty. I feel like the pressure is on you. I don't, I'm going to be real. I don't think they're waiting on you. A lot of, y'all, for sure. You know what I'm a lot of them. Because I have no relationship to deal with you and stuff.

It's a lot harder for somebody. somebody like Joe to come out and make a statement and you saw how they edited it out because they thought that they didn't take it serious enough which I was really interested in because to me it's like how the fuck do you talk about that video without taking it pretty fucking serious. I know Charlemagne finally did a donkey and day.

I mean you left when you brought it too. Yeah. That's great. You left when you brought it up. Did I? I was trying to make it super unlighthearted. Have y'all seen the most recent Christian Combs video that he put out

where he's like he has a new rap song and he basically is saying. Oh, they did? Yeah, and he's like, I dare you to say no ditty to my face. But that kind of got taken out the conversation because that came out like two, three days before the hotel deal. So all of a sudden it's kind of like, oh, really? Well, different conversations.

He's still riding with his dad. Yeah, I'm sure. You got to like, shit. I talked to bro, I faced him a bro a few days ago. Did you tell him no ditty? I did not tell him no ditty. Did you tell him that you're saying no ditty before? Oh, absolutely.

I mean, like, I say, you know, You told the King Cole you told him. He did, he was telling us. Hold on, you need a harder stance on this ditty video. Yeah, but how you feel?

What the fuck is? I mean, I feel exactly how I said, you know? Okay, okay, okay. No, you didn't have, you did have a hard thing. The content of the video was absolutely deplorable.

You know what I mean? Yeah, got you. Deplorable. Is there any type of context that can be created that justifies that in your eyes? No. But also, how do you feel?

I mean, I had to get real creative, but probably not. Okay, how do we feel about existing in a media landscape in which everybody is expected to basically like turn on somebody that they have like a multi-decade long relationship with. It's kind of interesting. I don't have that problem with Diddy.

But at the same time, do I really expect Joe Butter to go all in on him in that situation? I mean, not really. Like I understand how a friendship works, which is that you don't, you don't necessarily like leap at the opportunity to throw your homie under the bus. But at the same time, it's like you're not really a solid. podcast or unless you're willing to have at least some degree of that conversation on camera. And I think it's not even podcasting skill. I think it's a, this is like a, this is one of those moments where everybody's kind of checking everybody's morality.

Yeah. You know what I mean? It's a, they're trying to figure out where everybody's code of ethics are. You know what I'm saying? Like, are you as somebody with a large platform and a big voice going to denounce Diddy, you know what I'm saying? Because he looks like the boogeyman regardless. Right.

The fact that nobody's talking about it means he's even scary. Like, that shit is crazy. Nobody wants to talk about. Denouncing him is not really a hot take. At this point, defending him would be the hot take. That's true. That's true.

No one's fucking with that. Although people might not be jumping out the window and elaborating to the extent that we have, nobody is co-signing that action. That's true. I didn't see it, but I heard people saying the Sharp and Almighty were being pretty accommodating about it, right?

Of course. And also, Z-Rel, there is no bad behavior that he will not defend. Like that's kind of his thing is that he'll always defend somebody like did he doing that. And I think that there's an element that comes under play of like motherfuckers don't want to tear down like a black icon and there's things like. Especially off the heat of the conversation to make him snap like that. Was it the come down on the drugs where she like really like or was it him just trying to be dominant and she was just trying to get away from it? Because she like it looked like she was trying to sneak away to me.

Yeah. And that's what really fucked him up in terms of how. that she was perceived publicly. It looked like she was making her grand exit getaway. Yeah, because it could have been like, damn, you keep fucking over me, like, you know what I'm saying? I'm about to go. And that probably was like the last dance.

That's she was the last scene of the movie. Yeah. But it's also just abuse. Like, why does people who beat dogs, like, what do you think goes through their head? It's like, it's a power dynamic. It's just, it's something that. Free Ralphie.

What was the date? What was the date on the video? A lot of hate that shit. I think it was 2016. Yeah, like, 2016. No, that wasn't the last dance. She was right back with. That's what I'm trying to tell you, like she's going through this shit, getting away and going right back.

That's the shit that you can't fucking fuck with. So you got the same perspective as Sharp because Sharp had that pimps, like that pimps perspective, like, why should just keep going back? Why does she? It's like, because it's going in handcuffs. No, what the fuck are golden in because if you getting your ass with. Brick, have you not heard? You're getting your ass with ain't nothing worth your, yo, yo, your self freedom and pride. Like, shit, at that point, get what you can get out of your.

getting your ass with you did it anyway 20 years later yeah but getting you're thinking you're testosterone though you would dude but you all not know what stockholm syndrome is is literally like people that are victims of severe abuse over prolonged periods i'm not saying that she and even kidnap i know you can't control it but it's like come on how many times you're gonna go back she would she would have been some poor cambodian girl on the island if it wasn't for the like she it's not that easy she's cambodian no she's parco oh you know she's All right, well, wrong one. But that's the thing about it.

I'm fucking. We in L.A. Fuck, there's a bunch of these niggas. Shout out all this village. Shout out. Shout out my Cambodians. Yeah, we did talk about that.

Yeah, it's a lot of Asians. It's a lot of Asians in Illinois. Crazy. How did that happen? A lot of Mexicans? A lot of blacks, whites. We got a whole melting pot. It's not.

We're from North Carolina, so it's like it's a different. Where are you all staying at? Nowhere that. Oh, okay. You know, but, nigga, we walk outside. I'm just saying there's a part of L.A. called Koreatown. If you're staying there, I would not be surprised if you see a lot of Asian.

It's close by. Y'all in Pasadena, Alhambra area probably. I told them about that too. It's a whole lot of diversity out here. And we're populated like a motherfucker. He said it's more of them than blacks. When we drove,

it was just where you at. We drove to Englewood. Like we drove like down western, me and Remo to go to Rolling Loud. And like, you know, there's areas along there where it's like 100% Mexican people. And he was saying to me, because he grew up in Mississippi and shit. He's like, bro, you don't understand.

Like where I'm from is black people and white people. Like there's just, there is no area that's like no black and white people like this. And it's not like it's not Filipinos everywhere else. It's just in like a lot of them. Yeah, but keep in mind, like Filipinos particularly gravitate towards port towns. A lot of them are in like the Navy, the Naval Fields. That's why the largest Filipino populations are Long Beach, San Diego, the Bay Area. Seattle and Virginia.

And these are all port communities. You know what I'm saying? You're just a lot of money. You're just a flannel filled with like snap effects. He knows his shit when it comes to L.A. You got a lot of historical information on L.A. I don't know. He interviews everybody.

He interviews, he interviews his homies once he gets around him like all his friends. So I'm like you pick their brain. I'm a real-time sociologist, anthropologists. Like literally firsthand experience, base and sit next to a gynecologist. Oh, Mars. Oh, you're gonna, you respect all the person.

I fuck with it. I'm the type of person, I'm the type of person that, um, if I see something once, I'll absorb the information, not like on a photographic level, but just the information of it. And I could reiterate it at the drop of a dime, regardless of my cobiest drug consumption. You're like the rain man. Yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, I'm restarted. You're not for real.

Yeah. Yeah. You're real life. Like Adam said, a retarded crackhead. You put a retarded crackhead. Nah, that's a bad jacket. I don't put that on you.

But I feel that way about some things. Like I can watch like a fucking rap related thing and remember like most of it. But like I watched Destiny watch like he'll be learning about Israel and shit. And then he'll go into a debate and be saying the exact things that he was just studying. Like it's just scripted into his fucking brain. And when I learn about most things, it's not like that. And people like that think they're smart. Well, that's definitely a kind of smartness, you know.

But not really know. Just being able to remember information and say it is smart, but actually understanding it, especially with the Israel. I know the video you're talking about. Right. But it does equate. It is a form of intelligence. Nigger, it's a form.

But the person who made the original thought, like, that's who's provoking. But when it comes to something like talking about the Middle East, it's like you're basically up Shits Creek unless you're coming with a shitload of historical knowledge, which is basically why. I am just kind of opting out on having those sort of to qualify for it. It's just not really my bag. I don't need to be talking about it.

If you haven't read half of the Bible, half of the Quran, you probably shouldn't be talking about it. That's how all the political landscape is, I feel like. You know, or political topics. It's like,

it's hard to get in because you have to be something knowledgeable. That's why I don't really want the smoke of sitting down with Candace Owens because it's just like, I already know what's going to happen. She's going to fucking run me over with her facts and her stats.

And what the fuck am I bringing to the table for that conversation? That's what happened. When you had Fuentes on with Flacco. Exactly. Lesson learned, yeah. But the thing is ability to regurgitate information, although like we said, as a form of intelligence, to me, the most important form of intelligence, which I lack to a certain degree, is common sense.

And being able to have common sense and really know how to maneuver in any situation. That's application. That's just character development. That's not intelligence. But it is, though. It is how you actually, it's how you actually utilize. your knowledge and maneuver with it. Yeah, which is why we're saying regurgitation, that's not valuable.

You got good recall, but if we made you make a decision right now. Yeah. I would suck. That's what I'm saying. So that's what I'm saying. Like, it's a form of intelligence. It's part of the arsenal. But most people that think like, okay, I remember this information.

They're overzealous in their IQ. Like in terms of what they think they actually know. It could give somebody an inflated sense of intelligence, which really having an ego and putting yourself above anybody else, that's the dumbest thing anybody can do off rip. And shout out to Destiny. I saw that via that shit. It was too old a white dudes. Destiny is one of the

only people I feel like I've had a conversation with where it's like, damn, this fool's gonna like, like he could damn me or talk a full circle around me. He can't make people that can do that. I can't watch too much. I do enjoy it sometimes. But it does feel like I just get to the point where I'm like,

he just wants to win. He's not really trying to have no conversation. Yeah, man. I'm saying like, especially in debates cross content creators. It's like, we're not having no conversation. I got into watching Destiny because of like him doing the red pill stuff and like basically arguing with those kind of people, which is like very approachable. But then now like the current wave that he's been on of just doing like constant like foreign policy, I'm just kind of like, you know, this is just not really useful to me.

I don't really want to be learning things that are going to not aid me in my overall career. Everyday life. Yeah, and also, like, it's really difficult to obtain that knowledge without having it be through a skewed perspective because... Yeah, I can't take your word for... Yeah, I can't take your word for... You go to somebody that coming from the other standpoint, they got their side of the story, and it's like,

you know what, I'm going to leave that to you guys. You know what I mean? Because it's like, I can't side with either side. They've been fighting over whatever they've been fighting over way before. This isn't even... This is a hundred-year-old battle type of thing. Like, it's just... popping again now.

It's a thousand year war. Yeah, it's more than that. Yeah, right. We're fake talking about it right now. What does anybody saying here know about this? Nothing. Bro, we haven't said shit. It's the same.

We just saying shit right now. But the desire of a lot of commentators is to be able to break the conversation down to like, oh, these are the good guys and these are the bad guys. And it is so much more complicated than that. That would be like us saying the hoover's

the bad guys and the, you know, it's just useless. That would be like, that analysis does nothing. nobody. Magneto was a good guy in the X-Men to me. I don't even think Magneto was wrong.

Yeah, it depends. It depends on your what about Juggernaut. Juggernaut is Juggernaut turf hopped recently. First of all, is down with the X-Men now.

Yeah, if you watch X-Men 97. Oh, really? I want to check that shit out. I thought that was all that. Yeah. Is the X-Man 97 sick? For me, I'm a fucking nerd,

so I like that shit. You fuck with 97? The new one? I fuck with me, but me, personally, the X-Men animated series. The original. That's, that was,

What's that shit on Hulu? Pride of the X-Men. Is that on Hulu or something? He's on Disney Plus or something? Bro, I'm about to watch that fucking black Twitter documentary on Hulu. I might be the only white guy watching that shit. I'm surprised they didn't ask you to like get you taken. Because you definitely feed it.

Yo, I'm the juggernaut of that fucking documentary. I'm trying to get my Twitter back, Craig, and I just don't know how to tweet every day. You just need a bunch of Kendrick and Drake hot takes. You too's more. Tweeting is unnecessary. No, but... Tweet like... Tweet like...

They lock me out of my... Damn, the West Coast back up now. Yeah. I'm next. I'm next. There's so many people trying to use that on Twitter right now. What the fuck? Everyone from Detroit's like, oh, that's Sada Baby's flow.

Everybody from the Bay is like, oh, that's Slimby B's flow. Wait, really? Everyone from L.A. I'm fucking not like us. Oh, so there was a version of that conversation happening for every other state as well? No, Detroit. They're like, that's not Drake's flow. That's not.

Sadas. And then other people be like later in the song that Sada's flow. Are we safe to say all those flows originated in California? I'm not mad at that take. Like, let's just, it is. Detroit's home. Oh, yeah. That's why we fuck with it.

That leads me into a good question for them. Is no jumber less relatable from y'all perspective because we like over-discuss L.A. artists? I'm not going to lie. A couple, like 30 minutes ago when y'all was talking about skinny lopee or you, I had no without. I was like, nigga, this is confused.

There's one of the time where y'all might as well be Korean too. Yeah, nigga, it's crazy. Like, nigga, what? So we're supposed to talk about little brother in the day or what? But not at the same time, like, y'all need to talk to me.

I mean, I wouldn't want to. Shout to a little brother, right? Shout out to them. I'm from there. I don't want to talk about them right now. Shout to all the niggas rap in the first. They just did a documentary.

What y'all listen to the shit that come from Atlanta then, right? That's everybody, though. I'm saying. I'm saying right there is, is the southeast region. I mean, North Carolina's got some talent.

I don't think he's talking about music. He's talking about podcasting, right? No, you're talking about music. You're talking about music. We were talking about music. Well, I'm talking about podcasting about music. Yeah, you were talking about podcasting about L.A. artists, and I'm like, who do y'all listen to over there?

Shit. Literally, like, for me, I don't want to say it's a bunch of down south knickers because I listen to New York niggas like Rizel, then, whatever the fuck. But I like future predominantly. Yeah. Future.

But when you go to y'all clubs, what's your underground mainstream? But y'all are not as regional as us, where there's all this like LA specific shit. Y'all don't give a fun, right? No, yeah. You know, like, y'all actually have shit that's cracking only over here. No, I'm talking about what music is over there. Is it drill shit in the club or is it fucking? Oh, I get what you're saying.

It's both. But more of South, you know what I mean? The baby holds down like Charlotte and like that sound of music and like that sound of music. He holds that down. We got J. Cole. J. Cole holds down the lane that he holds down. So it's like... But it depends, though,

because it's like some clubs you might just hear straight stunner for Vegas type shit. You know what I mean? It depends on what you're in? Moray and shit. Nah, well, I'm pretty sure somebody... What's going on with him? More ready to do that had the Quicksand song.

That's all you like. I think I might have done his first interview. Me and Tirel interviewed him on No Jum. Oh, you guys have one after too, yeah. He got into it with the label as soon as he got. I just watched the death of Murray. on YouTube. Wait, really?

Yeah. Damn, they eulogized in hand. What the fuck? I mean, he got into it with the label as soon as he got there and got to popping it too heavy. Really? Sheldie.

His career was quicksane. The answer is, that's what they said, too. That's what they said. It's difficult to, when you lead with, when your first song that really blows up,

it's kind of the same thing as designer with Panda. Like, how do you follow up a record of that magnitude? That was too weird. But when other people, People do it, it's like, you just do it that way. You know what I'm saying?

It really just... Sugar Ray did it. Ice spice did it. Every morning there's a hello hanging from the corner of my bitch's four corner bed before I fuck the hell. Something like that, right? Shouts to Mark McGrath, baby. You know, he said he's fully gray. He's fully gray.

He's fully gray and he tried to abandon the frosted tips, but he couldn't do it. He had to bring him back because that's like his... That's like Cooleo with the fucking. rest in peace, but the two things. That's like Chris Cross, one of the homies, rest in peace for if they started wearing their clothes front words, we don't want to see that shit. Yeah, you're all thinking to put these overalls

on backwards this morning. Yo, this shit sucks for when you got to pee. And I take a piss like every two hours. You got a piss like once in a while. I thought that was like a everyday thing. Not here. Like at home, yes. Empty your bladder.

At home, sit down to pee. Here. You got to piss like a toddler. You remember. when a certain glasses wearing employee used to talk about pissing on the seat and not cleaning it up and he was like trying to justify it. Bro, okay.

Now that it's been so long can we Okay, do you... I thought that was going to talk. You should do that for? Do you remember the whole piss gate controversy of somebody was pissing on the seats? And it was him. Did we, did that ever actually

no, but we never revealed this? Like, there was cameras and full of figured out. You can't put a camera in the bathroom. No, no. No. No. There's no live feed of the dark web in China. Oh, wow.

No, what I was saying is... That would be a good monetization strap. That would... Yeah. Okay, come on. Watch the no, chipper, Patreon, Kiss can. Yeah, perfect. You'd see me throwing up.

Yeah. A little dump? Don't you not shoot up? Yeah. Getting a little dump on. No, but like, literally there's this whole thing and it was, okay, well, we know who is there this day, but it was... So it's now confirmed that urethra is the urethra is the urethra is. It might have been a different piss gay because I remember him like straight up telling us like, no, I don't need to put the seat up to piss.

I can hit the hole right in the middle and us being like, what the fuck are you talking about? Like you're not like you're spraying the whole fucking bowl. Yeah. Yeah. I found that very offensive. Yeah. Also, us getting black toilets seems like a cool aesthetic decision. I was about to say.

You take a shit. You look down. You can't even tell if anything came out. Yeah. Because it's so dark. Your shit just like falls into that water and you can't see anything. But it's like, but you know people think that

if your car is black that it gets less dirty but really dirt shows up darker cars more than it is on light. I don't know why. I know scientists. But since we're talking about the bathroom, there's like a little locker outside of the bathroom that says plug talk and it's locked.

And I was scared to touch it. I think that's just a sticker. This is the plug talk room and all of the stuff that you probably don't want to encounter, such as bottles of lube and large dildos and shit would be in this room exclusively. So that's the room to steer.

Why did I, I was today years old when I realized that there's now a wall here. Yeah. Oh, this used to all be open. Oh, this was open for a long time. Yeah. Then they got some of the complaints that plug talk was live.

No, we would never do both at the same time. We would definitely be hearing it. If there was anything like that going on. Legally the fucking, like you just killed it. We do that. Well, that's why it's going to be emptied out before you start doing. We do that.

Well, that's why it's great that we have two sides to it. Yeah. What, you heard me piping? Yeah, right. Really? You talk about you just be killing him. You're definitely here. Chill out.

Okay, but when you're filming a porno movie, you can't be like, you can't be like stealth fucking. What? Hey, yeah, start with the bullshit. I missed it. He just laughed way too hard. I don't know. Because you acting like you just piping. Yeah, you have no choice.

No, but when you're fucking on camera, you got it straight. Uh, uh, you got to be doing a lot. Yeah. shit. You gotta over-emphasize. I ain't even thinking about that shit. You gotta convince the people that you want to be there. You gotta grunt.

Because they say you average in four to five minutes. What? No, I need at least a solid 15. All right. If I do four, it's a bad day. Like, I fucked up. You take performance enhanced? You did a four.

You're the worst. You have to be. Just electrolytes. I'll just like start thinking about things that really like turned me off. You feel of me? Oh, yeah, yeah. That's a great move. You stare at the ceiling.

Oh, you know what I'm saying? And like, whatever I'm doing it. That's what turn you on? No, turn me off. Oh, like, yeah. I'm not saying that's oddly specific. Yeah. I'm like, oh, shit, oh, it's going to make me nuts.

You need to always know in your head, like, what's the hottest part about her that I can focus on if I need to get hard? And what's the grossest part that I can focus on if I need to, like, cool shit off. Her pussy's high, but it smells. Her pussy's your type of but it smells. Yeah, exactly. Okay, I got you. Man. That's a cold world.

Tips of the trade. I think you'd be a great portion. You got to stuff fucking the f fudges with him. Baines. My, my. I said like 40 pounds. I feel like I could convince you to do porn. If I was, like, dog, I damn me,

I probably went the furthest of anybody on the no jumper staff. You did. You did. Oh, on the Patreon, yes. I forgot about that. You did. You feel me?

But if this was like, if I was single and I wasn't relationship, married, like in love, lush, like I would have, like, that would have turned into something else, probably. Why you say that like you're a character now? Romantic lust. Yeah.

It's a different. me because if I wasn't if I wasn't if I was single I'd probably be out here doing what the fuck I'm like and feeling myself because I'm not no longer like sober restricted tenuous lus but how do you yeah how do you swear that lus doesn't sound fun how do you how do you how do you swear having a kid on the way and also being in the the the drug realm like it feels like the the kid thing should probably open the door for you to maybe take a step back from doing a eight ball a day I don't do an eight ball a day. It's more like two and a half crams.

No, I'm just, oh, my God. No, I'm just playing. No, no, no, no, nothing like that. To be honest with you, one of my homies said it the best the other day. I was like, because he was referring to me on no jumper now and like how much more entertaining it. I was referring to it. And he's like, bro, it's not even like that. It's like, this is more you.

Like, the sober lush that existed for three and a half years. But that's what you're drugged out homies are supposed to say. My, like, my boy's not even like that. You feel me? He's been like that for so many years. Yeah, exactly. And I honestly, do I show up late? No, you've been good.

Do I, do I, am I, am I actually, ESPN? I can count on us showing up like almost exactly like five minutes before every pod. Boom. It feels like that's your, your average at this point. You know what I'm saying? Like, I got solid homies with me. You know what I'm saying? I'm like 25 minutes after, so it's like, thank God for me being in the middle.

You're not doing the crazy stuff that you used to be doing it. No, no, no. You have a little snow. It's all right. It's just an enhancement for you. Okay. I have a question. Here's a good question.

From you guys' perspective, as our consultants, when you look at No Jumper, what should No Jumper do to succeed in the long run from y'all perspectives? Or even just in the short term. What do you think No Jumper needs in order to maintain its place or regain its place even in the culture? In the hip-hop culture? I still think we're fine. They're haters.

They might frame it as a regent. I think you got the ball moving with the decision you made today or yesterday. That was a good first step. That's the first step. How do you feel about doing video essays again? Because I went back and watched some of the old ones that you were doing. And as I was listening to him, I was like, I haven't heard this nigga disexcited to say shit. See, that was COVID.

COVID was like, oh, shit, I can't do interviews. So I'm going to do all these video essays. Was hitting some fucking serious numbers for a while with the Brian Pumper shit, the Selena Powell, Only Fans Review, all this shit I was doing at the time. I do love doing that shit, honestly. It's just like I can't do that and then also be a podcaster at the same time. It's just like too much of the same thing. You ever figure out the way to merge it?

Because you can take what you do there and try to put it in a podcast format. I feel like we took it's not going to be easy. We took a shot at that with the Danny from the stop doing videos on No Jumper and it kind of like transformed into a very specific thing very quickly, which was basically just like reporting on the drama and everything. And I felt like the fans didn't fully 100% go for it. But I do feel like there's, you know, there's. There's got to be room to do video essays that kind of like take the interviews and like do something with them. But as far as like turning it into a content machine that would constantly be able to like sort of churn out content, I don't know. I'm kind of doubtful.

Well, I think it would be dope. I think, like, I think some. I think it would be dope. It would be a little hard to pull off though because you really need somebody who's like on their A game to be doing it, you know? And what do you want from your business? Like, do you just want to save money or do you actually want, like you said, to bring no jumper back to it's, you know, whatever? I think, you know, we want to create the best possible content, but then also at the same time, it's like we got to run a business that actually makes sense to be putting so much time

and energy into it. And if that means having less people behind the scenes or less content overall being created, you know, I'm very open to those things. It's not like, you know, it's not just like, I need to save money no matter what. It's just like I don't really want to run a business that is not making sense in the long run, you know? I think like, which I think like he said, the first step that you did, which was like trimming the fat, I think was good. I think, do you, my first question is,

do you want to be recognized as like no jump or hip hop platform? Because I think there's a disconnection there too. You know what I'm saying? So, like, if you, because even when you had brought up the big three of media and it was like, the conversation kind of got lost in that moment when it happened, but it turned into the big three of media and the big three of hip hop media.

But media, we can put you in, but hip hop media, I don't think anybody's looking, at a no jumper take for hip-hop media. Well, guess what, though? Guess what? There's nobody in the hip-hop media space that knows as much and is experience as much

as much in the culture as I have. I'm not saying that there's people that... No, hold on. You go. Hold on. Because I've analyzed that statement and I do feel like you're correct. Hold on.

Like, literally, I've been in this culture since the 90s. No, no. Hold on. Hold on. Inside outside. Let me finish real quick, though. So that's cool.

I know you're knowledgeable. And I was happy when you came back because I think in the midst of that conversation happened, the Big Three of hip hip-hop media, you gave credibility back to it in terms of your knowledge of it. But we're not going to you first, you know what I'm saying? Even though I know you're really like that in terms of knowledge. He'll acknowledge that, yeah, Joe Budden might be the more charming podcast or anything. He's just saying from a pure knowledge standpoint, he might take the cake.

And I know, and I know he's like, and I know you're like that. You know what I'm saying? Pass me to rock, put me in those combos. But before he came back, it was like who had, there was nobody holding that. side down. So I think if that's something that you want to be included into, you don't have to be. You're at a point where you've done so much, so well. You've transitioned from every dark period that we think that we've seen you have. But okay, this is the weird thing that is taking place with hip-hop media in general is that when you look at no jumper, like the storylines that we've

always been documenting and obsessing over are usually the lesser told hip-hop storylines. Like even the podcast when it was kind of at its peak, me, house phone, AD. It's like, That wasn't necessarily like you weren't coming to us for the most serious hip hop discussion at that time. What's happened in the past couple months is that the conversation about hip hop has become so focused on these gigantic beefs that nobody can avoid that that does kind of put no jumber into a weird place because we are always the place that we might talk about G-face for 30 minutes. And it's like for the no-jumber audience, that's a character that they're quite interested in and they want to see how that saga plays out. But obviously to the mainstream hip-hop world, what the fuck are we talking about, you know? So it's a little bit of both. Like, yeah, I would like to, when a serious hip hop topic is going on,

like I would like for us to be able to do more or be able to, you know, kind of be viewed as like more of an important platform in that kind of lane. But that does take a lot of like very specific work if you want to be the academic. Like you kind of saw, you saw with academics how powerful the live stream thing is because he basically had a monopoly on all of the breaking information for the Kendrick and Drake shit because he was so locked in doing those live streams.

I'm not saying that Joe Bunnan and them didn't have viral takes as well, but it's pretty tough to have the viral take when you have somebody who's doing all the groundwork, yeah, and $20,000 on like the lightest day. And all the chat brothers are in there fucking feeding information. For sure. Yeah. It's

hard to ignore like how much academics suck the air out of the room pause throughout the Drake and Kendrick thing because he basically like set himself apart as like the only voice that was really doing shit that people felt was like essential. But but also people like the fact that no

jumper isn't mentioned in that conversation or people want to like downplay no jumpers contributions when literally like you can name the amount of artists that are considered the legendary icons of this era all got their

fucking first break on no jumper all got brought to fruition on no jumper. So I think that gets overlooked. I've been listening to all the new release every Friday trying to stay in tune for it. So when the hip hop conversations come up, we can go crazy because like we haven't discussed like gunners. We don't really go through the new releases that come out every Friday.

Because that would take a degree of planning because I didn't even listen to the fucking gun album. So I'm useless on that conversation. But what I will say too is that it's like in terms of what I'm interested in and what I'm excited about. Like I just did an interview with Vaughn off 1700. That's like a super important interview for the Chicago drill. scene and it doesn't really matter for the rest of the fucking, you know, hip hop landscape. I just interviewed Trap Dickie from South Carolina. I don't even know if y'all know about him.

He's popping. But like, I like telling the lesser told stories and rap. I never looked at myself as like the person who's having the most important discussions about what is the fundamental most important shit in hip hop. I think it's way more important that we're just excited about it because I feel like the audience will develop like a level of affection for the shit that we are excited about. So moving forward, I think you should double down under that. And I think it'll play a two-part thing for you.

It'll, one, stay to your interest, and that's a legacy play. And how long, but how long do you feel like, how long do you think it's going to take for your audience to understand? I got the idea. And to, like, kind of get normalized to this new version of, you know, no jumper. I mean, to be honest, it's the same shit. It's just a little bit less and less of the content that, to be honest, was kind of like the forced content. like y'all need to show up and discuss whatever the fuck's going on like i would like if we're going to do a bonus episode of this shit on thursday we should really have like a list of shit that

we're excited as fuck to talk about you know otherwise let's just not do it like that's and that's and that was like really the premise of beyond like me and raiders uh chemistry of like the whole on a sick one is because like you said we live in los angeles it's like a 70% Mexican population over here you know what i mean like there's a huge portion if you went to uh any of the no jump or live shows predominantly Mexican people showing up. Would you say that's fair to say? Like 60 to 70%?

Any type of live show you throw a rap anything is going to be predominant. The entire southwest region from L.A., Arizona, New Mexico, Texas. Hispanic. If it's a fucking U.G., even Bun B was saying, like, yeah, like, there's five more Mexican fans

than I do black fans in Texas. Like Bun B fucking said that. So with that being said, catering to that and trying to create like an outlet for those people, you know, for that demographic. with on this platform was something that I was really excited about and want to continue to explore.

Do you think the West Coast is big enough for you, for y'all to just double down on that? For y'all to just be the media mecca of this side of America. I think they are. I think that y'all are, but like that, it doesn't seem, it seems like y'all want to be considered as more than that. You know what I mean?

Well, there is the West Coast shit, which I feel like, we know Chicago and, yeah, more than any other city, we do a great job, I think, of documenting L.A. And getting all the artists right as they're starting to bubble up and stuff but then i feel like we also do like an unbelievable job with chicago new york type type shit you know it's like really how many scenes are there in the country aside from just like random artists that pop up how many scenes are there where there's like a consistent extreme amount

of interest to me it's like new york chicago and ella that's i tell you that they're from everywhere west coast for real i don't know if the people are as fascinated by like detroit overall like detroit apologies there's just a shitload of like super pop and artists coming out of because there's crazy gang drama. For sure. In Detroit. It doesn't really like reach the level of like a general interest. But they don't get to hitting the net with it.

Because all the pop and rappers are not on that. And a lot of the politics in Detroit are Chicago and L.A. gangs and the, you know what I mean? Like there's a lot of GDs, vice lords, blood, rips, all that. Kind of. There's a lot of that shit. Yeah, it is. But that shit like some click on click drug dealer, slime it. They robbing and slime and motherfuckers out getting get back from, you know.

Right. But even Chicago, like, is deviated from, you know what I mean? The traditional gang structure and is like block to block and... Yeah, but what I'm saying is, though, like, the GDBD thing up there, the vice lord, I doubt it. It might be a couple of crips and bloods, but I don't know if they really just slide enough of that. But, okay, from my perspective, like, the way that somebody like Act treats, you know, Cardi or young boy or whoever it is as, like the center of the fucking rap universe when they have some shit going on to us, it's, to me, it's like, I'm not as interested in going for the stuff that is the biggest shit in hip hop.

To me, it's like, if Lefty Gunplay is saying, you're wearing red, I'm going to make you give me head, that to me is like just as much like a, because Lefty Gunplay is like a relevant character in our universe, even if he doesn't make sense to somebody from New York or whatever. Like, I feel like that's kind of like the No Jumber's strength is like world building and character building and like creating shit that people are getting interested about

that doesn't necessarily need to converge with like mainstream rap. It's just in the Drake and Kendrick. era has been hard to talk about almost anything else. That shit was spent so big. Finally, there's an exciting, like, actual hip-hop conversation because it hasn't been for a minute. No, hip-hop's kind of sucked the last couple years, honestly. So, yeah.

But, um... Even the game, this Rick Ross. We could have talked about that if we were kind of, like, planned towards it. And that's what I think is important is we got to, like, be shooting topics throughout the week and, like, really, like, working on the shit that we're going to talk about so we can really come, like, armed with opinions, you know?

Because a lot of times we kind of, slack on that. And it was just going to help the no jumper. I mean, you've canceled the news. Like, the news will probably burn a topic out two or three days before you even get to it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, but don't you think, like, with the news that people are

dying to see, like, specific people talk about shit and not just, like, whoever happens to be on the news that day? It's just not every day of the week. It shouldn't be every day. Yeah. Or what about the old format of the news when it was, you know what I mean? When it would just be, like, little pre-recorded clips. Yeah.

We were basically just doing that because Snapchat, like, had convinced us that was the only kind of content they wanted on the platform and now Snapchat is kind of like whatever you can do anything. But yo, um... As long as there's a body of water next to it. Well, with the butt. That is, that is a thing.

Yeah, butt water. Um, fuck, what was I about to say? No, as far as the news clips, seeing the shorter news clip. Oh, what I was going to say is just look at, look at how Vlad does it. If Vlad, like the Kendrick and Drake shit, he does the act interview, he does a me interview,

he does a whack interview, he does a Wack interview. He does a Trey D interview. Like, he just brings in whoever the fuck he wants to talk to you that week. And he talks about whatever is going on in the media and he gets a bunch of topics of people talking about. Now, granted, it's like that that is like stone age level content release in comparison to academics just going live, you know? Right, right, right. But he's got his method and the shit works. And I mean, I feel like is your, that's everybody's staple.

That's Blad's staple. Academics got his staple. What do you feel like your staple content is? Interviewing underground artists slash like, you know, street level artists that other people aren't necessarily given like the most fair shake to as well. as you know the camaraderie element although i feel like now we're kind of trying to take the camaraderie and sort of shove it into like a tighter packaging that would be able to not necessarily have to be like as much content that's kind of like the main thing that i was trying to accomplish this week and i feel good about it i you know i've seen a clip of academics talking about it i only saw this is like 10 second

clip in the radio but like he's all he said was sounds like adam's just trying to make the content better i was about i said and i'm like yeah it's like it's interesting how he like instant instantaneously saw that because he's not somebody who's completely like hooked on the dopamine cycle of seeing people argue on the fucking news or whatever which if we were to listen to the Reddit that is what we would double down on myself personally I'm just a little disillusioned with it how do you feel about the fan reaction so far because I've been seeing there's a lot of niggas saying that Adam 22 ruined their nine to five it's gonna be nothing to watch the news no more they said that's what gets them through that's what gets me through what I'm going I mean as much as

I think we've made progress in terms of the view count on the news over the last year. Also, it's like, if you're really telling me that this was so important to you, then you should have been fucking telling all your friends to watch it over the last couple of years. The shit is just not, like, I believe them. Yeah, right. But it's like, okay, if there's not like a sizable number of people who feel that way, then it's not necessarily going to reach the point where it makes sense to produce that content. The ready is going to be the most vocal audience always.

Yeah, yeah. Those are your super fans. In terms of running a business, the minority, you can't. be swayed by that. You got to love the super fans. You got to respect the super fans, but you can't act like they know 100% what's right. You have to have the courage as a content creator to fly in the face of them. And you also have to, you know, have the humility to take their advice when they are right, you know? And I'm not saying that I'm married to any particular business mall. Who knows? Maybe we're doing the news again in a couple months. That's what I'm saying.

I'm going to double down on what I said earlier. And this is a message to everybody who's a part the no jumper family who feels like they are now on the bench who are now deprioritized or are now not in the game just there is a very very good chance that the dynamics will change and you might back be back in the mix killer you know what I mean you might be back in the mix you never know is that like flex or was that like no no no no no no sir Damos over here that's a second time it's a second time turn into Marcus Aurelius this is coming from the guy trying to This is coming from the guy that has been literally

kicked to this while you're talking. I am not. Like royalty, heck. I'm not doing this. No, no. I'm literally, honestly. It's more like if I can do it. Do you all got, I'm my bad,

the Survivors remorse, but do you all got like survivors remorse with this shit? Like, like, you feel guilty for surviving all of this? No. Niggins said remorse. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

He's got a lot worse that he doesn't have any remorse about. No, I know what he's saying, though. It's like ultimately at the end of the day, I kind of had to learn my lesson because I went through the same exact thing a year and a half ago and my initial reaction

was very different than my reaction this time. But Lusk, your blanket optimism just does not work because you're a valuable podcaster. It's not the same for everybody, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just what it is. Yeah, like you kind of like

Dennis Robin is like you're gonna go off and do your little shit somebody can put you on you good you're not you're coming back to the team there's some people that can only do one thing

and some people who are still struggling that one thing you know what I'm saying well because the new model is kind of one that like really primarily incentivizes like great content as in like if you really bring

a fucking fire interview to the table that's going to benefit you as a host on no jumper or if you have like a killer take on the podcast that's going to benefit where I was like there was at least you know some people who were kind of phoning it in on the news and you know accepting the check and not to say that there weren't people who were

excited and bringing enthusiasm to it and stuff but it was kind of like a bunch of people that's sort of falling into the groove of just doing that shit you had groovy as fuck on this podcast from like the you had the environment from afar where it's like you know people who get jobs just to do the training period it's like oh we can come over here yeah get a quick 800 a week or whatever you know I don't know what the number is but You know, see, that's how that training people that are saying all of... Yeah, I'm not really learning out of view of it.

People that say all the 35 words, the whole two hours. Yeah. And just watch everybody just sit there. And it might be to it. I don't know. We got to get that shit up out of here. You know what I'm talking about. Now I got to talk the whole morning.

It looks like I just got long lungs. But I mean, like, it's like, God damn. Like, you're going to say something? Like, you know what I'm saying? The reason though I keep reiterating this point is because I feel like if during the No Jumper Mass Exodus of 2023 had occurred, even with the, you lied to me Lusge Gate and all that shit, I would have just shut the fuck up and followed back within a few months.

We might, whatever relationship got repaired between Adam and I and this platform and I probably would have happened a lot quicker. So I'm kind of trying to encourage people, don't crash out, don't fucking do some shit. Does that make sense? And not to be like. You don't want to burn the bridge. And not to be like, you know, too personal, but were you under the influence there in this time?

No, I wasn't. That was the problem. You were too sober. Wasn't I? You wasn't I? I know. I like how Lush blames a lot of shit on sobriety now. Yeah.

That's kind of gangster, man. I'm more money. I'm doing better. I'm more successful in a relationship. Like, all the shit, fool. I mean, working out for you, yeah. Don't get a bad bad.

I understand why you don't want them to encourage them to crash out. I do. Please crash out. because I won't be covered. Of course, ESPN. I remember. I would you like, we'll be covering that shit.

Nobody could crash out on me that I give a fuck about at this point. Like, I'll just bend through the ringer too many times. And let's be honest about what the situation is. If you are somebody who wants to crash out and you want to act like no numbers of the devil, let's be honest about the reality of the situation is

I gave you opportunity, put you in position at a certain point as a business, maybe the content schedule changes. If you want to act like a victim, because I'm not producing the exact same amount content that I was at a prior time I don't give a fuck say say whatever

the fuck you want to say I didn't even bother to watch any of the clips of people being emotional about it they're complaining on the fucking Reddit because I actually genuinely don't really give a fuck you know it's like it's not like I don't care about them as people but anybody who got anything negative to say it's like all right well I'm already fucking past this in my mind so I haven't seen any crash out yet

not crash outs but I heard there was some criticism yeah I feel like I just encouraged everybody to take their own platform and start as always if we all can still collab and do like if it's not a lot going on here maybe you are good at

doing it yourself you can figure it out now we all can figure it out like you know facts all right so with that being said we're going to be back on stream in five to ten minutes to do a stream where we continue some of these conversations as well as listen to your music

link in description if you want to donate and we're going to be reading donations doing all that kind of shit thank you very very much to our Home Room University, aka Menace Material, Brethren, for stopping by. Make sure you go hit these dudes with a whole bunch of subscribers right now on YouTube. There's menace material, and it'll pop right up. We want to see them with a nice old spike so that they can't be like, oh, the best part of the trip was AD taking me to the club.

I want the best part of the trip to be us getting them some goddamn subscribers. Why would you tell him that? I've seen you, bro. I've seen you on your story. Standing in the club. We had a great time. I did. It was crazy.

The glazed couch. Somebody mop the couch off when we're done. It's okay, man. This one's fine. I know y'allelack, but we don't even know boberry biscuits. You feel me? You're going to be. He's wrong with this.

Don't play with me, make me. He knows that. Some boll berry biscuits. Oh, man. But, yo, we appreciate you for, for sure. For sure. You guys are dope. Oh, yeah.

On-camera depths. Oh, yeah. They make sure they know. That's make sure they know. Yeah, we probably gonna do that again afterwards. So the Nogamber fans can no longer say who the fuck at East 3. Yeah, yeah. Hey, let's stop the fake news, too.

People acting like the JVP was the first one to put them on camera. The No Jummer News was the first one to have the appearance from AJ. And before he signed to the Black Effect Network. We didn't sign to the Black Effect. Yeah, but I seen you at the party. We went because we got invited. I was a party. It was great.

It was great. We get invited. Isn't really a shell company? People like, no, there's streets are saying that's a show company. There was real people that. It was a little event. There was real people. It was a beautiful event.

It was real people because it was Charlemagne. You hit on Weezy? I did it. Oh. Was she there? She was there, of course. You didn't think about like tossing her a little, little game? We can save this for another show.

Oh, you were more of a Mandy man. Did you get Wezy out of there? You know, it was a man. It was appreciate, we appreciate y'all this week. You know what I'm saying? He's a Mandy man. It's like the Adderald's wakes up in the adams. I call the handyman.

He's a Mandy man. But yeah, man. That's only funny to me. We just, we like to meet everybody, enjoy their events, and we're not, you know, we're going back or forth. There's not a lot of podcasts blending between East and West Coast. You know, it really isn't. I feel like it's just not.

When's the last time you saw Joe Button, Brick, in person? It don't come this way, I feel like. That's what I'm saying. A lot of people stick away from this bullshit. Yeah. Understandably, too. LA is not safe. Yeah.

So there's not a lot of. So there's not a lot of blending. That would also, that's always going to help, I think. You know what I'm saying? Like, just more trips, you know, maybe every, I don't know. Let's blend. All right, I'll see y'all on the live stream that we're starting up momentarily. Thank you to you guys.

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