No Jumper - The NJ Show #256: Pop Smoke’s Mom Responds, Akademiks Drama & More

Episode Date: July 19, 2024

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You set it off? Yeah, go ahead, man. All right. Hey. Uno? Come on. Uno in the building. Y'all know the vibes.

More kicks than Cobra Kai. Busting shots. Every time we roll them by. No Jumper in the Building coolest podcast in the world. This episode, 200 and... I was going to say 80-something-something. 256. We in the building going crazy.

Um, Flacco. Man, I've been chilling, man. Flacco been big. You just in Vegas? Yeah, man. I'm going to Houston on Tuesday. Okay.

What's the purpose of this? Is that work, pleasure, or a little bit of both? Man, just work, man, for me, man. Okay. Putting in work. Yeah, man. But how has you been, man? Honestly, dude.

Honestly, I've been really, really good. Just focus on trying to take things to the next level to the best of my ability. working on my girls project. Really juiced about that. She rap, you know, she's wrapping her butt off.

She's out. Oh, a word? Wait, no. Is she nice, though? She's nice. No,

okay. So, like, is she nice because she's your girlfriend or would I, like, like, hear her rap and objectively say, oh, she is hard as fuck.

No, you'll objectively say she was hard, and I'll tell you why. Because, first of all, we met, like, damn near 13,

years ago or more. And she was, she was already like a cracking artist in the underground of L.A. putting it down, you feel me? And what's her name? Her name's Jermfree. So I met her in that context.

She'd been nice, you know. So just, her and I came together, and we've been making music together for a long time, but now, like, I feel like she still got a shot, you know what I mean? Like, as far as...

A female rap? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, I'm gonna have one of my home music, like, listen to her. Yeah. Because even if I find her trash, I won't say it, right? You could. No, but I won't say it, right?

Because Lush is my homie, and I love and respect Lush. So I'm going to have one of, like, the more ruthless niggas listen to her, you feel me? Play it for... Like, for example, a creeper listening to where, you feel it? And creep going, you feel what I'm saying? I want, yeah, play it for the most discernible critical ears. Oh. Yeah, she snapped.

Oh, we're playing it on stream, though, you know? Oh, yeah. All right? Oh, yeah. Hey, listen. Oh, yeah. Hey, listen. and I can't control what creeping them say if we play on stream, okay?

Of course, of course. Hey, we appreciate the view regardless. Wait, wait, but like you said that y'all met 13 years ago. Yeah. And you tried to holler if she wasn't going for it? No, I wasn't like that at all. Like, she was the homie, like, you know what I mean? Like, we talked a little bit here and there, but it was always more.

Oh, oh, hold, you want to know. What you mean? Oh, oh, oh, you want to know. What do you mean? Lush, that's nasty. What? Oh, this is my sister 13 years ago

Oh, just the homie And then 13 years later You is dumping like nuts in there every night That's that's 1,000% what happened And that's why we have trust issues Because the niggas like you Yeah, of course He's like my brother

Yeah, slimy Yeah, that's crazy You never seen the meme where it's like He's like your brother to me And then the next picture It's like a hot dog in her face Yeah, of course Yeah

It'd be like that No, no, no But then why do the niggas Like you operate like that? For me, it was never an intention. I'm going to stop it. Look, like, so for me, when, and this has always been the case, I'm not the type to blatantly holler at girls.

I don't, like, go out on a limb. Like, I let it be known that I find you attractive and I rock with you, and I'll develop a friendship, you feel me? And if she's been to choose up, she's been to choose up. You know when a girl wants you. Has there been times in my life? where I actively pursued a woman. Yes, absolutely.

But for the most part... It never ends well that way. It really don't. It really don't. No, but though, like what we call that, though, it's an insecure dirt, like, it's an insecure dirt back, right? Like, we're like...

Here, for example, if the words homie and sister come out of, like, your mouth, I would expect that you wouldn't even, like, fuck the intention that you wouldn't even, like, be sexually attracted. to this person, right? Like, if, like, for example, like, if you're Colin's person, the homie and the sister,

like, your dick shouldn't be able to get hard for this person. To an extent, I see what you're saying hypothetically. And, but at the end of the day, if you've known somebody and, like, at first, the dynamics of your relationship are on a friendship level that don't mean that you can't be attracted to them in a certain point. Shit changes, you feel me?

Like, hey, best, like, what a nonsense? say her thug changes, the love changes, and best friends become strangers. It could go to the other, it could be the inverse. It could be homies wind up, you know, falling in love. In fact, a lot of the best relationships. So you start out as friends. But yeah, and

for me, like, using the word sis and all that, it don't like mean like, oh, like you're biologically my sister. But it's... Plus, I'm a Italian and we fuck our own cousins. And I'm just plain. But, yeah. It's emotional manipulation, though, right? You call her sister or sis

to make her comfortable around you whole time you want to put in dick in her. Nah, but see, that right there. That right there is emotional manipulation. No, that's predatory as fuck. No, definitely make it, like, that's why I said, like, as far as her and I, it was, obviously I was always attracted to her.

She was always attracted to me. Like, but there would be like either she had a boyfriend, I had a girlfriend, I had a wife, the time never really aligned like that. And we were just homies. And then one day I was like, you know what? Shorty Dung Thick was cracking. Yo, speaking of hard dicks, man,

why do we continue to give Jack Lijs a platform? Like, what is the, like, what's like the, again, I like the guy. But what am I missing there, man? Well, because I don't understand, like, the play. Like, what exactly is no jumper trying to get to, like, whenever we invite on like Jack, like Jess? Well, first of all, when you say speaking of hard dick, And that's a transition.

Is that because Jack, like, Jess makes your dick hard? Hard dick transition. Oh, man. Bro. We got bars. We got bars. The punsky. We got bars.

At transition, Jack like Jess, hard dicks. The pussy, no, right? No, but, like, apparently, for me. And he likes, you know, the transitional hard dicks. Yeah, yeah. Hey, you know what? Like, the funniest thing to me, and I like Jess. Yeah.

I think he's a cool-ass dude. Of course. And I think that to answer your question, the reason why Adam has Jess on is because he is a content goldmine. You know what I mean? Like he... No. Bro, his stories are absolutely insane. No, see, see, see, see, right, here's the thing, right?

About, like, the menstrual show or like, or like, kind of like the... Like, like the first time, like the fuck shit and the foolery is like a surprise fact. I'm like, oh my God, this dude is buffing. He loves chicks with dicks. Cool. About the second or third time, bro, like, we stopped caring, right? And I feel like this last time, like we saw that niggas ain't really give a fuck. Well, to me, and I've said this multiple times, I'll reiterate it again, the least interesting

thing about Jack like Jess is the fact that he likes a little bit of pickles in his. Taco you feel me like like like to me that is not what's interesting. A little bit is crazy. Well he and he dumped his trans girlfriend because she wouldn't his girlfriend dumped him. Well he didn't dump her no sure but though that thing ended up splitting ultimately that thing pause ultimately because yeah pause ultimately because she wouldn't possibly Control.

Top him or put dick in him. That's not why they broke up, fool. Yes, I'll pull it up. Okay, no, I saw the clip that, oh, boy, yeah. But, play that clip, please. Right? No. Hold on, Jack, like, Jess.

We're going to get to the bottom of this, homeboy. Yeah, not, listen, man. I'm just like, why is no jumper, a hip-hop platform, continuing to platform when it has nothing to do with hip-hop, essentially, and, like, there's no, like, there's no story there, right? Well, okay, the first part I agree with. The second part, no. There's definitely a story there.

Like, what's a story? The story there is there's this kid that grew up in a predominantly white part of Long Island with the father who was in a biker gang and was running around doing all kinds of crimes from a young-ass age. He told that the first time, though. Correct. I mean, like...

So what's the story now? Like I said, his story is essentially if the TV shows... show Euphoria was directed by Quentin Tarantino. Okay. You know what I mean? Like he has a fascinating person to chop it up with and he's very like unhinged. But like I understand like, like I think this is something that people talk about all the time.

No jumper. And this is the same thing that people admonished Adam about when he interviewed. Yeah. What's his name? The dude that was pop smokes. Oh, we don't get to that. Yeah. So like because no jump.

is a platform known for elevating people to the next level. People have the expectation that everybody that's on this platform is somebody that Adam wants to push. No, listen. It's not necessarily the case. No, hey, listen, I'm not saying the story wasn't there, right? The first time he came, he told the story. Yeah.

The second time he came, he expelled tomorrow on it. So the story was already, like, wrapped up. Now, the third time, it just was. of scenes like a shit show. Like, right? Like, it just came across as why. Yeah. Right?

Why am I turning on and no jumper and hearing about him sucking a nigger dig? I feel like the gay fantasies, the gay, like erotica, right? Like the homosexual. That was wrapped up within the first two. Why do I have to listen to it for a third time? Like, why are we platforming this for a third time? And to me, like, ultimately, that was not my decision. Of course.

I mean, like, do I feel like Jess deserves to be able to tell his story and do I think that he's interesting? Absolutely. Do I have a problem with Adam bringing him on the show? Hell not. But ultimately... He should come, listen, Russell, look, I like Jess and feel like Jess should come and just podcast and just talk about...

Oh, yeah, for sure. The news and trending topics and fit with what's going on. But bringing Jess on, like, to force feed. this trans shit for a third time down our throats is kind of like pause so do you feel like is this basically yeah it's no jumper a part of the the the trans agenda no are we trying to brainwash people no so okay so but i but i've seen a lot of people say that yeah right like like him on and bring on a trans girlfriend it just feels like a shit show like more so than yo I'm tuning in to listen to Lush One

like give me an analytical deep dive about these like you know like this real nuanced hip hop takes and hear Adam chime in and feed all of you right and then hear Brick give his like cool stories I'm not tapping into here this nigga talk about dicks again for the fourth time man like like it's like nigga like right again

if we all like him because again because again I like the guy yeah he cool Yo, come on and talk about, yo, Drake and can drink. Right, right. I feel like you look. Yeah. Honestly, I had about 20 to 30 more minutes about the M&M album.

Yeah. And I really, I really wanted to be able, like, I was, and I get it, because Adam and, Adam and Brick really just like the album. Oh, okay, gotcha. But I wanted to give a really deep analytical take on that, which I didn't feel like I was able to do within the time constraint. However, like, do people really want to see that, you know, ultimately that's Adam's decision. I don't know what he wants.

No, no, no. Yes, right? Yes, like, for example, right? The Eminem album is on pace to sell 300,000 copies first week. Right. That's like the biggest shit ever, right? Even if, like, for example, right, like some people there didn't like the album, I would have loved to hear a song by song dissection as the widest.

shit is garbage and they used to why it's hot for me that's what I wanted to do and and to be honest my take on the album is so nuanced I'm not going to say it's hot or garbage but it's the most important Eminem release in probably 20 years no sure uh and those numbers to me are or like highly suspicious you don't believe that you think the 300k is they bought like us they bought like us like what do you think oh wait oh sorry so before we're We wrap up the just like Justin. Yeah. Kendrick Lamar has said,

and we cannot sing the mantra of freaky-ass niggas need a steady-ass inside, right? We've been singing that as the mantra, but then we keep on bringing Jack, like, just outside, right? At some point, bro, we have to be true to the L.A. mantra, which is freaky-ass niggas, stay-de-ass inside. Damn, we're not like them. Fuck.

Facts. Come on, no, no, no. They not like they. No, them not like they. Them not like they. Them not like they. We're not like they. You know what the funniest thing was, though, is how the, he's talking about homosexual acts beyond if he feels like being with a trans is gay or not.

And I'm not going to put a label on anything. I just know what I'm not down. You know what I mean? But we're past the gay stuff now. Yeah, yeah. But he's gay. Right, that's what I'm saying. Like, no, but him and his ex would insult each other with the F slur.

He sucked a nigger dick, he said. They were calling each other faggot. They were calling each other. But he said he sucked a nigger dick. But listen, but him, like him and his, you know, trans ex calling each other faggot is literally like the Spider-Man mean persona by human form. No, no, no, right? Listen, even if he want to justify, oh, I'm not gay because, you know, like this person is presenting as a woman. cool but you suck the nigger dick like uh like right like a man that identifies as a man right

you you get me yeah i mean to me i mean like i get it and and it's cool but we love just it's cool for me but like i don't judge him in the slightest of course not he can enjoy as much um you know trans pussy pussy but guy whatever the fuck he likes i don't give a fuck but for me personally is no such thing as trans pussy, right? Well, also, you can't use drugs as an excuse. Because Jess may have taken a lot of drugs,

I'm pretty sure that I give him a run for his money or leapfrog over that motherfucker. And I've never, and I've really gone to the depths of pitiful, incomprehensible demoralization, and I've never had the inclination to pleasure a man in any capacity. Listen, he thoroughly enjoys him.

Let's be run here. been wrong with that? Fair. This man said, man, man, man, said, yo, yo, I became a sugar baby to a two or two or two a gay nigga, right? At that point, man, I feel like, right, it's safe to say, man, just freaky-ass nigger. He's just freaky, this show. Stay inside. And it was a 70-year-old. He's a, and-old. Stay inside. Oh, come on, bro. Bro, he was fucking a 70-year-old man. Bro, stay-your-ass inside, my nigga. Freaky, well, to be he said he didn't F the sugar down. Oh no? But but, but

freaky-ass anword you a 7-7 god because isn't it called 77? What? Two dicks? I don't know. But um. Mmm. I have no idea. No, but yeah.

Those M&M numbers are suspicious. Elaborate. Right? Now let's be real here, right? Yes, there's been discussions around his album. But for example, Like the albums that, like, we've seen do 290 and up or 300 in hip hop is a visible discussion, meaning it's a, where you can feel like the energy and on the ears of your arm.

Right? Like, for example, when Kendraimor dropped, like Mr. Morah, they're like, what, $2.80 something? Yeah. There was a visible energy that swept through hip-hop that, like, you could feel the hairs on your arm stick up. when Drake and 21 dropped her laws, right? Like, you could feel the energy, right? When, for example, Travis God dropped, right? When scissors dropped, you could feel the visible energy,

like, kind of like, just like reverberating throughout the entire culture, and you couldn't ignore it. Can I make a point real quick? This album could be ignored. This, I feel like this exact thing that you're saying is happening in, like, the Midwest. Oh, okay. Boom. Watch this.

Watch this. Watch this. Yeah, I got you, Mikey. Let me ask you. So when Burner Boy drops an album, okay? Is there a visible energy within hip-hop culture? But he's not hip-hop, though. Right. Like, at all.

Okay. I just ask a simple question. But though. This is a trial. This is a yes or no question. Sure, right? Here, but though, when he drops, though, right, there's a reverberation in Afrobeats culture. That's not what I asked you?

Sure, right. Sure. Sure, right? Sure, right. So the hip hop culture, we, like, we don't even feel it because he's Afro beats, right? But guess what, though? So America doesn't have the metric yet to gauge the true first week sales of an Afro beats artist because the Afro beats artists. Okay, okay.

So let's not talk about Afro beats then. Because, however, we both know the answer to my question was a simple no. No, no, no. And doesn't make an impact beyond the scope of hip hop. Yes. Yes, of course. Okay. But Eminem is a hip-hop artist.

Okay, but, but, yes, Eminet, so you already see where I'm going with this. Of course. Okay, and the next example would have been Taylor Swift, Bad Bunny, and so on, right? Sure, but that's not like a hip-hop artist, though. Absolutely not. However, Eminem's audience transcends hip-hop culture by a significant margin. In fact, you can't really look at him and judge him under the same barometers you do regular hip-hop artists. Because why?

Because he is, for all intents and purposes, a pop artist, you know what I mean? Sure. Is he hip-hop culture to the motherfucking core? 1,000% Eminem is hip-hop. You cannot deny it. If he's a guest in the house, because he's white, they got him on the reclinable love seat.

He's chilling. He's hip-hop. However, the predominant audience that's affected by Eminem is not necessarily hip-hop consumers. But then lush, then, like one can say that those numbers then are misleading because here's the thing, right?

When we hear $290, we are thinking cultural impact. We are thinking hip-hop impact. Where you're telling me, oh, oh, yeah, and he sold like $2.80 in, like, the pop and like emo niggins shit, but then he sold like $20,000 in, like, hip-hop culture, then that shouldn't even be like counted, right? Well, first of all,

he deserves no credit down. First of all, the hip-hop culture is cast such a wide net at this point, that there are reverberations and huge contingents of people that are privy to certain things that other people are completely oblivious to. Like, for example, if Lecrae drops, the vast majority of the culture will be unaware of it. However, is he hip-hop or he's like Christian, right? He's a Christian rapper. But like, so where do you draw the line of what is and what is in hip-hop?

That's a whole other conversation. I feel like them gospel niggas, bro, have been, like, kind of like blurring the lines for years now, bro, like, we don't count them niggas as, like, hip-hop. Okay, okay, but then, like, if Scarface makes a song about God, is that not hip-hop, you know what I mean? Sure, sure, sure, sure. So with that being said,

first of all, like, throughout hip-hop culture, maybe not as much of Mr. Morale, but there has been a great deal of conversation around this M&M album. And then when you combine that with the fact that, like, his audience that transcend hip hop, I think those numbers are pretty accurate. You see, listen, so here's how I knew the album itself had no impact, right?

Because he tried to take the Kendrick Lamar like rock, right? And we all know what that method is. You take a long hiatus. You come back and you see there ain't no motion. There ain't no draw for you. So what do you go to the studio and diss a thousand, that we care about. And then, you know, like you put yourself in that conversation.

So when he tried to do it, and then even that, that discussion lasts like a whole 24. Wait, hold on. So who did he this? Like, a Megan Astallian. He dis a couple niggas, bro, right? He even kind of like threw some shots of Kendrick and then claim, oh, no, this is what the fence is saying. No, no, nigga, this is what you say. No, no, no, you're like, Flacco, with all due respect.

That verse was taken completely out of context. He said this is what the fans and the critics were saying. Correct. And I'm saying, correct. That's clearly how he said it. No, sure. No, sure. Right.

But the we all know, Lush, that's a plea copping, right? Like, for example, it's the, like, here, right? For example, right? But he diss himself in that same segment. He literally said, he's copying, please, no, still. He said he was like, he's like, jig his album, Strasch. He's his worst. Like, no, that's not copying, please, bro.

Lush, wait. He's literally saying, he's putting himself in the perspective. Yeah. It doesn't. take like a super analytical hip-hop mind to discern that fact. It was clear. It's plea-copin. How is that plea-copin?

He's not, that's not copping, please. He was telling what the average hip-hop consumer says and what he faces, the type of scrutiny he's face, how he's not held to the same standard of people that are significantly not as skilled or lyrically adept as he is. But why is he scrutinized under such a microscope and somebody that's doing significantly less creative or impressive things getting all the trophies. That's kind of what he, that's the point he was making. No, no.

And it wasn't just mutually exclusive to him. In fact, all the people that he mentioned in that context, the Kendrick, the hope that he was actually giving them props because those are the people that he respects as lyricists. Sure. And do you feel like he belongs, if I here's another discussion, right? Do you feel like he belongs in that category with the Hose and Kendricks? Yes, as far as so when you say the Lowe's and Kendricks, the category that I have them in is all-time great MCs.

Sure. Eminem is an all-time great MCs. But there's, hey, right, right? No, sure, there's the all-time grades and then there's like the Mount Rushmore and there's like a very select group. Like, for example, right, an all-time great MC to me is like, we can say that Lowell Wayne is an all-time great-mc. Yes, yes. Absol is an all-time great MC, right? Okay, sorry, but wait.

Absol is one of the most skills. I wouldn't say he's in all-time great. Like Wayne, right? Cool. But Wayne is for sure out the inner circle of the J. Electronicas, the Biggies, the J-Zs. Right?

Yeah. So, and I would say that after this year, after we've seen the lyrical, like, demolition that we've seen of Drake, and just how strategic, how crafty Kendrick is, oh, he's for sure in that inner circle of the inner circle of all-time great MCs now of the Biggs, the JZs, the Knath.

He already was, in my opinion. Facts though. And Eminem isn't in that inner inner circle. Yes, he is. How? Because of his lyrical contributions. Because of the simple fact, are we negating history?

Because if we're not going to put Eminem on that list, then are we putting Big El, big pun, Rakim? all of his predecessors that were considerably more skilled than a lot of the artists that might be on that list you know what I mean?

But as a matter of fact like look I said this the other day you look at Rakim okay Rakim might not be in a lot of people's goat conversations but he's in mind by the way but if it wasn't for Rakim

if it wasn't for Big Daddy Kane if it wasn't for Slick Rick there is no Nas there is no JZ there is no M&M You know what I mean? Like, he's part of that evolution. We would have never got...

In fact, Kendrick himself said... Of course. One of his primary influences was Eminem. So, like, regardless, the fact that we're analyzing the album of a 50-year-old man that's been a multi-millionaire for over 25 years at this point,

and he's still making music and inserting himself in the conversation is a testament in it of itself of his, like, longevity and greatness. Now, do... At first, people kind of, like, giving him more props because he was white to the open doors for him. Absolutely. But at a certain point, you know what I mean?

Like, he had to show and prove. Because there was already the Beastie Boys before him. There's already third base before him. Oh, he's passing him, though. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, sorry. So, here. Hey, for example, right?

To me, like, he's like the karma alone, right? In terms of, like, so before Braun. Except for fucking 14-year-old girls. Yeah, yeah, right? Right, right? Right. So look, like, before Braun, right? Carl was the second, like, leader score, right?

Right. But nobody ever had him in their top 10, right? Right. So M, in terms of like success, oh, like he could be in, again, in terms of like commercial success, sharp up, my guy, man. My nigga, man. The legend. The damn time.

Not, right? Church a knackle. They have a little loose today. Yeah, right? Right? No, man. But, though, in terms of like, in terms of like the commercial success, there's arguments that he's the greatest of all time, right?

I mean, he's amongst. I wouldn't, you know what I mean? Like, in terms of just commercial success, there's arguments, well, one, he has the most diamonds, right? Like, like, he's... He has the most diamond album. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, right? Right, right?

So there's, right, so, like, in terms of, like, the, like, the stats and the numbers, numbers, he's for sure in that conversation. But I'm saying in terms of, like, putting himself in the MC conversation with a So the MC, his run from 1997 to 2004 solidified him in the MC conversation. He was an all-time great.

But the MCs, though, like, don't respect him, no. Yes, they do. What emcees don't respect him? Well, Cassidy said that he ain't shit. I mean, so... Come on. First of all, shot... That's one of many.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's one of many. But that's a big one, though. Like, Cassidy is a big one, though. He shouts to Cassidy, and Cassidy shouts to the hustler. You know, he's a lyrical goat. However, I've heard Cassidy give M&M props, and Cassidy also thinks that he's won over 5,000 battles in Lost Zero.

Plus, you ain't a big dog unless big dog's coming for you. You know what I'm saying? It wouldn't even make any sense to even be putting that conversation, right? Yeah. Cassidy knows that Eminem is a lyric. I don't think anybody would try to make and when I say a lyrical goat notice I'm not saying the lyrical goat because I don't think he's the greatest of all time I don't think he you know. Lush, right? Isn't there though like like for example? Isn't there like a limit like like like here for example right? Like we say like one of the goats we have to have like a limit brain. Is it top three top four top five top ten? Because if we're just like for example right well cold is one of the ghosts then right? But obviously. he is.

Like, he's not top 10. No, but one of the goats, I would say, is like, you could be dead here. What, top 20? Yeah. Hell not. Come on, bro. Hell not, bro. Hip-hop culture has existed for over 50 years, bro.

Sure. You're talking about. And basketball has, wait, though. And basketball has also been here for, like, 50 years, right? Over 75. Yeah, right? And we have to, like, say, yo, bro, listen, man. Like, it's like a top 10 or top five, bro.

Like, we can't say, yo, if you're number 30, you're part of the goals. No, bro. I mean, like, yes, you can because you're amongst the greatest of all time. Yeah, like. It's a very arbitrary cutoff point that someone would have to find. Like, as far as what defines that level of greatness, and I think that's a very subjective opinion within an individual. But as a culture, there's nobody that would say that Eminem is not, quote, unquote,

an all-time grade. He is amongst the all-time greats. Sure. Look, right. 100%. I ain't the biggest Eminem fan, bro, at all, but you can't ignore his upbringing. Like, you've got to think about some of the people that he's worked with. He's worked with other goats that were on their

way of Dre being one of the top. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, you just can't ignore Eminem's resume. Hate him or love him. And if you say, you say Cassidy says he's not one of the lyrical goats, but but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, But Rakim said he was, Jay-Z said he was, Nass said he was. In fact, like, hey, matter of fact, how many people you think wrote any bars for Naz?

I'm just going to say some shit. People going to fucking say what they say. Guess what? Listen to the song Carry the Cross. I think it's on the Godson album by Nause. You feel me? Produced by M&M. And listen to that hook.

And I'm going to go on in a limb and say Eminem wrote a hook for Naz. That Naz wrapped. Here. Hicks don't count, though, right? Like hooks and melodies like don't count I'm not saying I'm not trying to take away from Nassir Jones

What I'm trying to do Is add credence to the argument That Eminem is respected By everybody Of course In that in that category Sure look okay brach so look right Before like those numbers are real

Right And I don't even like white people Yeah man Now hey right Before like we move on though Like where do you all like rank Eminem Top 5 top 10 top 20 what Like lush

let you go first. I'll say he's for show a top 15 of all time. All right. All right, sharp. Yeah, I go, man, for sure, top 20. Yeah. Okay, yeah. In fact, yeah, like, for example, in terms of the entire package,

well, he's undoubtedly, like, because, like, the top 10 is so nuanced, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, Rakeham is out of my depths, right? But he just means just so. much to hip hop that is almost impossible to say he's not top ten. Yeah, there's no top ten without Rock Kim, I'm sorry. You feel me, right? It's not. Like, it doesn't exist.

Hey, right. No, true, right. But the folks would say, well, bro, like, Rakim, like his career isn't it even like 5% of Eminem's career. And that is true as well. And I think that's, and the fact, and that's kind of what I said earlier, the fact that we're now talking about a 50-year-old man's album. Yeah.

He's still about to push a SOP 300K in his first week. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, like that's crazy. Like, a 300 is crazy. Was L.L. Cool J doing that at 50 years old? No. And he's one of the goats. But Jay Z, though, like drop 40 for 40 and like 40, what, four?

And Jay Z is arguably the goat. Yeah. Like we can start saying like. Jay Z, Drake. I like how that dynamic changed real fast. It was like, all right, we was at the Mabies and, you know. Yeah. You talk about Jay.

Yeah, he definitely top dogs. Yeah. And Drake, what did Drake say? I didn't cry when Pock did, but I probably will when Hope does. Yeah. Well, I feel like if there was a couple of guys still around, he probably wouldn't have been the top.

Yeah, and that's, that's, all right, now I'm going to just go ahead and address elephant in the room. With Pock and Biggie's absence, yeah. Push him definitely to. For sure. You know what I'm saying? Like, if those guys was here,

it ain't no telling what it would have been. Those guys were already projected to be. Absolutely. And then when you add to the equation, that big pun died, big L died. There's a lot of the people that were in line. That changed everything.

To be the next big star, especially in New York. Yeah. You know what I mean? I feel like Pop would have been, listen, again, now this may be blast from me, and please don't kill me for this, bro. Don't say nothing stupid. No. Pock has gone down as one of the goals.

But I feel like if we truly take Pock's trajectory just objectively in terms of his, like, skill set, his lyrical ability, his skill set, and his career, I feel like Pock's trajectory would have been more so on a Will Smith trajectory, opposed to a Holt's trajectory, right? Meaning, like, Pac would have been Will Smith's for Holt. You feel like he would have been in more movies and shit like that. Well, you know, he went to like a performing art school.

For sure, yeah. With Janet Pinkin and all this. So, yeah, I do see him doing some acting, but his music was still untouched. Well, the thing is, It was still unbothered. Yeah. The funny thing is, like, prior to, I want to say prior to All Eyes on Me.

Yeah. And him getting bailed out by Shug, he was more prominent as an actor than he was as a rapper. You feel me? Like, people actually, the Will Smith, somewhere between Will Smith and Ice Cube, I might agree with it. You know what I mean? Like. The fact, O, O, O, O, O, Cue, right. So look, Q, La, look, we look back.

What are we doing here? I don't get this. No, no, no, no. Where are we going with this on a lot? Wait, right? Left hair, right? Cube, right? Like, we look back and say, yo, Cube had a great rap career.

He's, like, he's a rap legend, but we don't say, yo, Cube is a top five. But, but, but, but, but, if anyone has a cube in their top five, I will never look at them sideways. Sure. Like, Hugh is, like, never. No, sure, right? Yeah. Question of right, right? Right.

But then why do we put the, right? Right. In here, right, sure, right? But then why do we put Pac as, like, the arguably top three, top three, top. to when we know that if pop would have stayed alive pop would have been on an ice cube wilson trajectory and possibly top 30 and well so okay so we're dealing with a lot of hypotheticals yes a lot being thrown a lot of hypotheticals

they just said it the right thing he would have been like one wolfsmith to be honest I feel like he would have been more like would have leaned more into the political activism and was going to be just like more of a figure you know like a Malcolm X type dude. Hell not. Potentially. He could have to think about this, Michael, before he got with Death Row. That's what he was on when you heard Brenda got a baby.

When you heard a lot of those, it was always, he was talking about like the poverty and the struggle and trying to bring people up out of it. Soon as he brought his ass to the West Coast, that's when it turned into that's why I fucked your bitch. It turned. It turned completely different. He got around the West Coast and it turned him out. As a matter of fact, it's more than the West Coast. It's L.A. and L.A. gangs. when he was up in the bay, he wasn't on that

timing at all. You know what I mean? Yeah, he was talking about Thug Life. They were thugging and all that, which and the funny part about Thug Life is the majority of the rappers from Thug Life or at least half of them are from New Jersey. You know what I mean? They're from the East Coast, the outlaws.

And, you know what I mean? And Thug Life. Fun, fun fact. Did you know that, you know, to live and die in L.A. was supposed to be really to live and die in the Bay. There you go. But they changed it. There you go. It was like, I ain't having it. Changed the L.A. Right. But it was really supposed to be to live and die in the bay, because you know, that's really where he resided as well. You know what I'm saying?

Was the Bay area. Right. So it's supposed to be lived down in the bay, but, you know, Shug and them, they wouldn't fucking having it. So they was like, no, you're changing that shit immediately. There you go. And like so. But, but yeah, I know a lot of the thug-like fools were, in fact, from L.A.,

but half of the outlaws were from Jersey to direct myself. But to answer your initial question, Pock is one of the grades because of the longevity of his music, because what he accomplished by 25 and the fact that he accomplished, and the fact that there's been so many drastic changes in the climate of hip hop and the fact that Pock is still a prevailing influence, the fact that his music still

resonates with the people that isn't of itself. I love, you know, I wish Adam was here for right now because he loves to be like, oh, Big only dropped like two albums. He shouldn't be in that conversation. That's also wrong. That's another conversation though. Well, to be fair

though, prior to Biggie dying, he never sold 100,000 copies first week. That's, okay, 100, so, yeah, I don't know if that's true or not. Watch, that could be true, but he only had one album before he died. He loves snuffing all the old artists.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He loves to snuff him out, like, like, now, they wouldn't shit. Yeah. Like, bro, these guys died young, bro, like. 24, big was 24. Come on, yeah, they died young. Like, okay, so, yeah, ready to that shit, 57,000? Yeah, ready to die. Yeah.

I believe that. In those times, bro, like, you like a Quorae. Right? Right. Phil, listen, listen. In those times, bro, if you sold 57,000 copies first week, bro, you like a Quorae, bro. Like, you like a, like a, you like a, a, a, a dealist artist. Well, you have to remember.

Back then, it was completely different. Please break that down to him. Like, well, first of all, bad boy wasn't major label. You know what I mean? Like, it did, it wasn't the major label system. but it was an imprint. That was an experiment that Puffy basically had

after leaving Uptown records. So he really didn't even have the infrastructure. He had to use really progressive marketing strategies to even get those records played. Like, I don't know, did you see the, when Craig Mac and Biggie were both dropping because Bad Boy were putting them both out at the same time, their marketing strategy was

they had a custom Big Mac like box and they said like this is the Big Mac single on one side was Craig Mac flavor in your ear the other side it was either a party and bullshit or Big Papa by Biggie, you know what I'm saying? That shit went crazy.

Went crazy and like you could not turn on the radio in 1994 without hearing Big Papa when that record came out. It was huge well you got to think about it right he comes from a different era where you know they got

the internet now you know live streams and everything like that matter. Back then, it was being a born-again footballer. It was being on foot. It was being out in the streets. It was passing your shit out. So, 57,000, that's a lot back then,

because motherfuckers was really moving shit, word of mouth. Like, it wasn't the internet to where you can click the button and spread it to the masses. Especially if you're not directly under Def Jam. Yeah. It's a little different. You know what I mean?

Man, but here, man, so, listen, I love just like discussion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We do this all day. Yeah, no, for sure. And I hope that this was, this would have been discussion on the Tuesday show, opposed to Jack, Jack, Jack, like just talking about dicks. Yeah, I don't.

Yeah. Yeah. Respectfully passed. Yeah. It was just weird. I will say this. Adam is now tried to, like, get me, like, to get me and Brick to say that we were attracted to a trans woman and both times we had to, in the face of the person, be like, no,

we're not. And that was very awkward. And fit, listen, bro. Phil listen, bro. There ever was a trans woman for y'all to be attracted to? That's not. I don't think that was heard. No, feel of me?

No disc, because Trudy was cool. You feel like, yeah, whoever's preference needs their own. But, like, why push that on people that we know clearly, like, him and Brick don't get in on like that? I would hope. Yeah, yeah, no, that's not my thing. I would hope. Man. Knowing my ass, that shit would have been after 20 years ago.

See, I say, like, calmly and coolly, like, I'll still be your friend if it's okay. But I don't think that that's not the impression that I get. Yeah. Yeah, man, true that man. All right, look, so, schoolboy Q took the Twitter late last night and set the world on fire when he says, Toronto PD canceled his show in Toronto because he believes his show got canceled because he was in the Not Like Us video. Now, academics did say that his sources told him.

him that Toronto PD said they never canceled the schoolboy Q show. Yeah, pull it up. Did you see his responses? What do you do? Yeah. Yeah, look. So, uh, no, up. A source from Toronto police said they, they did not cancel schoolboy Q show or

stop any artist in TDE from performing in Canada. Now, if you can go to like the other tweet that's in our post. I, I, I, perfect, right? Listen, so now according to my guy Friday from my We Love Hip Hop, he stated that the venue that Schoolboy Q was formed at, Drake our ownership in. Right. Now, look, right? Yeah, right. So look, Q says, top was just with Wayne and baby shaking my head.

Party next door just had a show at the palladium. If we wanted to get Joe, we would have just did it. Now when somebody get hurt, don't cry. Now, that's right there is a scary warning to Drake and OVO. We already squashed the beef. The OG wacko got on the phone, he filmed me right, and squashed it and ended it. Y'all stopped playing these games with us, bro,

because when we start playing and somebody get hurt, don't start crying. So the question has been, do y'all feel like Drake had a hand in schoolboy Q Toronto show being canceled? I mean. Come on, man. I mean, motherfuckers are going to pull resources,

however they're going to pull them. You play? I guess it's definitely. That's where we always go back to saying it's not where you're from is where you're at. Right. You know, and everybody pulls that card anywhere you go. And that was Rakim who said that, Placo. Yeah.

So, you know, it's not, for real. It's not where you're from. It's where you're at. And I always stand on that. That's why you don't never go to nobody else's a city tripping. You don't never go acting like you big dog, none of that shit. Because there's always somebody in the city that's down for the city. You know what I'm saying?

And they'll push that shit out. Yeah, 1,000%. That's anywhere, though. Anywhere. Yeah. And does Drake seem like somebody? petty enough to cancel the show of the

best friend slash main affiliate of the artists that literally just shot the biggest debt in his career since his inception? Absolutely, I believe he's petty enough and capable of using. I don't think he's that penny, though, right? I think he is.

And it makes him look like a hole. Yeah. It makes him look like a hole, bro. Like, I think he even knows that, like, it's only going to make the situation worse for him. He's better just to be a boss and be like, no, do y'all shit. Yeah, now, do I... It don't affect me.

Right. Do I feel like, do I feel like he did that? I don't know. Is he capable of doing that? Well, Pushatito did come out and say that, like, he's having trouble even getting back into Toronto now. Bro. Because of the Drake beef.

And Drake does have... Tries at the MS. Drake and Trudeauby, you feel me busting down hoes and fucking... And puffing and blunts together. I guarantee you. Like, Drake and Canada's Prime Minister or homies. Yeah. He got that type of juice.

To the fact that I know that Drake's gotten homies of mine into Canada for battle rap events and things of that nature who have crazy records that he had that Canada would never allow. Really? Yeah. And he got the government to expunge. Dr. I've seen it with my own eyes. That's crazy. So is he capable of doing that?

Yes. That's their Michael Jackson, man. Drake is Canada as Michael Jackson. Yeah. their fucking greatest exports since maple syrup and Pamela Anderson. Straight up. Yeah. Well,

there's Justin Bieber, right? Yeah, there you go. Beaver, Bieber. I think Bieber's, you know. Yeah,

of course. Some are comparable. But, no, Drake is literally their goat. He's their legend. And one of the goats, period.

But, but ultimately. All right. Now, here, so if Drake is behind us, man, now,

according to people, the beef is squash. So for anybody, expecting like a Drake like this track Kedrick is not happening it's squashed

so from your perspective though do like how do you feel feel like this is gonna like end or get squashed like hey right because I just don't see Philippine all the way done right like it just don't feel like this is just

all the way completely 100% squash and nobody it feels like there's more to come but it's sort of like anxiety, right? Like, we're like, we know something is coming, but we're being told that it's quiet, you know? Well, I feel like

the people are building the narrative. It's not even necessarily Drake and KDOT. I believe it's the people around them. It's the viewers, it's the fans. It's everybody that's pumping it up. You know what I'm saying? So, once you, bro, pressure can only build up so much where it's got to find a release valve somewhere,

you know what I'm saying? Pressure bus pipes. And yeah, I definitely do see something fucked up coming from this. I just hate that like people aren't leaving it as music. It's starting to turn into something else. Well, I think people are kind of underestimating the cultural impact and the cultural phenomenon that this record is because it encompasses way more than Kendrick versus Drake B. Right.

And I think that's what people are overlooking. Drake is pretty much the symbol of the mainstream establishment of the powers that be. of what has been kind of pushed upon the people, whether this is right or wrong. And do I think that's 100% fair? No, but that's what's been, that's what he's being used as and scapegoated as in this moment.

And Kendrick is the person that was never supposed to fucking be as powerful as he was because he was kicking a conscious message because he wasn't fucking pushing gangbanging because this dude, and they did everything. He made good kid, Bad, Mad City. arguably the greatest album to drop since the year 2001 type shit. One of the great,

and he lost the fucking McElmore because the powers that be wanted to push their fucking, you know what I'm saying? Well, holding cock agenda, whatever the fuck they had, with 30 people getting married, 30 gay couples getting married at the, at the Grammys, all that shit aside. They've done everything they could to make sure that Kendrick wasn't a voice for the masses. I mean, to an extent. Yes.

No, listen. After McLemore shit, though, there was a concerted effort in the industry to come together and make Kendrick the next guy, especially, like, especially after,

like, the riots and the police brutality. Once, that's 10 years later, bro. That's 7. No, the riots. It's like 2015,

2014. Which riots you're talking about? No, like, like, like, who, um, oh my God. Like,

like, Tamir writes in them. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, right? Right? As soon as that start happening, they said, oh, shit, like, we need this conscious shit. Why? Because we know nothing make niggas march more than conscious music, right?

And, right? And guess what they needed, though? And they needed niggas marching and taking the attention away from what's really important, right? As long as niggas is marching and focusing on police brutality, which is like a moot issue, well, we can have them control. Like, for example, right, every four years in 2016, in 2012, a nigger get killed right around the election cycle.

So guess what? The Democrats can fear, mawagre us into voting for them. So, Kendra Lamar, to me, was used as a tool, right, to control us and have us voting for those Democrats, right? So no, I don't think that he fought, fought against all odds to be the guy. I feel like right around, I'll say 2016, 2012, no, for that, no, 2016, they all said, okay, he's, and he's going to win every Grammy, every award, it don't matter what this nigga drop as long as he opened up his mouth,

he's going to get a Grammy. Well, I mean, he got those Grammys, and he got those distinguished levels of recognition. like a Pulitzer Prize, which... The undeserved. It's not undeserved. It's due to his artistic excellence. And artistic excellence and appealing to the masses and success are not mutually exclusive by any means. But what that dude did was go against the great...

And really, at this point, a lot of people, myself included, had kind of counted Kendrick out. I was like, do I want him to drop? Do I want him to come with some fire? Yeah. Was missing morale, the great artistic... Accomplishment? No. Yes, but artistic accomplishments.

Yes. Was it a great overall listening experience that I choose to revisit? No. Has the hood been slapping Kendrick in years? No. None of that matters. He defied great odds to go against the motherfucking juggernaut. He was David in this situation against the Goliath.

Hell no. So the way, let me explain something to you, bro. I was just at Tamsberger, Tams 21. Mm-hmm. where they shot that they're not like a good video right my girl and her home girls were shooting a cipher over there and shouts and shouts to hit a j3

and all the fools from that hood that were out there showing love you feel me so we we we pulled up right over there there was first of all if you from l.A you know that like tams is not cracking like that there's not long ass lines like that for tams you feel me it's like loki not the best food right there is people

traveling from all over the country like that Thames was so fucking cracking to go there's hell of white people hell of people that didn't you know like don't traditionally be over there in Compton to go to in fact these kids drove out from Vegas and brought a fucking pinata

of an owl to take a picture in front of the Kendrick mural busing open paws a motherfucking owl piazza they were like to do some yes do some yeah right right sure But it's also called cultural impact.

And the gravity of this moment far supersedes. And Rawls got his ass whooped in Toronto. That's cultural impact right there too, right? That is not to say that. Hey, come on now. We know Drake is. Right. And his ass whoop, but yeah.

He had a little problem over there. Yeah, he had a problem over there. Schoolboy, you show, God cares of it. That's cultural impact right there too, right? For sure. That's not. Right. But here, right, here, Rick, guess what the right, Lush, right?

So look. So here, so we all know that the game was rigged for Kendra to win, right? Because you just said something very important. It was not a pleasant listening experience. It ain't really slapped like that. Oh, but it's a masterpiece. It was, and we only give Kendrick that benefit of the doubt. Meaning we've been programmed to think this nigger is so nice that if our ears don't like it,

oh, it must be something wrong with our ears. And this must be a masterpiece. Well, no, that's what's the trash. Well, there's a difference between what I didn't say a masterpiece. I said a great artistic accomplishment. You know what I mean? So what about that was, was artistically great? Well, the fact that there's an underlying concept that he interweaved between every single track,

the fact that it was something that people don't typically like to talk about as far as in the mainstream masses and in the black community where mental health conversations, have typically been traditionally frowned upon. We know we love the most, and I'll notice, and I think we're over, we're missing this part of it. Everybody likes a good comeback story. Yep, that too. Everybody likes that.

So you gotta understand, like, you just spoke, he was like, man, wasn't nobody really banging Kendrick like that? Wouldn't nobody really supported him? It seemed like he kind of just went ghost, you know, not doing anything. Right. Him coming back, and like you said, going against the juggernaut, not going against Goliath, that's a comeback story. You got to pick.

He picked a fight one. Yeah. That's what gets your pass, man, to me. Yeah, that's what happens, bro. Everybody loves, because, man, shit, there's always some struggle going on, so they like to see the struggle when somebody come out of it and come out on top.

And that's just America in general. Because America in general, we like to build people up, break them down, and build them up again. Straight up. But do I think the beef is over? I don't think it's definitely not on TDE up the score. You feel?

me, they already caught the dub. Yeah, listen, man. Drake is dropping man in the marriage soon. Now, I've been told it's not a Kendrick diss track that Drake has moved on and he's moving on, right? So listen, man, if I'm Drake, man, just leave it alone

because at some point good music is going to win. Now, again, even though if I'm Drake, I'm worried because if you heard the snippet in the Not Like Us video, right? Like, at the beginning, he had like a snippet of another song he about a drop?

Yeah, that's not hard. If he drops an album full of, like, songs that sounds like that in terms of like the L.A. sounding? Yes, yes. Hey, Drake. Hey, Drake. Even I can't like, like, deny. Like, I'm gonna start like, you feel me? Like Bump and Kendrick A.

You feel me? Ain'A. Because that shit sounded amazing. You feel me? If you want to make the world a better place, just look at yourself and make a-oh. Oh, too. Hey, but guess what? Isn't it kind of, like, ill-advised that he's doing it over a Michael Jackson sample?

No. Of all the artists, Drake, like you're, and I love MJ. I'm not, like, but the fact that your allegations now.

Even the concept, though, Lush, right? Even the concept, though. I should have never emailed Millie Bobby. It's like, no,

like even the concept of, yo, I'm looking myself in the mirror and reflecting after a beef. It's kind of like, oh shit, Kendrick, put the mirror

and in your fucking face, nigger. And he's making you. suffer a flight? You know, you can't come back. So, like, again, I don't know who is advising Drake to take these turns, bro. But Drake is usually really great at guessing, like,

where the culture is leaning to. Yeah. And having his post on the culture, but it sounds like he's making, like, it'll advise mistakes now. And I don't understand, like, yeah. Like, where this new Drake is having from? Well, also, like, the fact that you,

it is already referencing Kendrick because the whole Michael Jackson and Prince thing has always been what the comparison was. People were saying K dot Prince, MJ is Drake, you know what I mean? Listen, and even that is a false comparison, because only one of them write music, play instruments, can dance, sing. Prince. But Drake can write music, play, instrument, dance, sing, and make beats. So, wait, you're saying that Drake is a better musician than Prince is what you're saying?

No, no, no, no. Okay. I just want to make sure I am ever saw it. Cut a rug, one. No, no, no, no. Drake stole fucking King Mill J's dance. No, no, no, no. Hotline, Bing was King Mill J's dance.

Hey, listen. Yeah, sure, right. But so Kerselamor try to, like, try to position himself as, I'm Prince, he's MJ. Right. I'm the true artist. He's not. But Drake is the one who, who can sing, he can rap, he can play instruments,

he can form melodies, he can write songs. So Drake is essentially Prince. and Michael Jackson in one body and Kenra Lamar doesn't fit either description. Right? So I'm saying, bro, how he managed, bro, like to convince us, right? And to like, like, like, like to like, like,

to like convince us that he's the true artist. He's the peer hip hop nigger and Drake is some type of vulture. This nigga's strategic. Listen. And he wouldn't be able to do that if the culture didn't already think that. Meaning this, right?

Like, right? Like, if he would have came and he was taxed with trying to reshape a narrative into our minds, that would have been impossible meaning, right? Drake tried to, like, tell us, oh, Kenji Lamar does super zen chill dude. Oh, no, he's a woman beater. Nigger, you're not convinced us of that shit. Kendham's saying, oh, y'all already think he's a coach of vulture, right? Well, let me just reaffirm it to you guys.

But that's a good strategy, though. Of course. You're supposed to do in a battle. Yeah, feeding off of what the people already think. Yeah. That's the, I can't be mad at that. That's the most important thing you're supposed to do in a battle is to figure out what's on the tip of everybody's mind. The pedophage?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's very low-hanging fruit, to be honest. Would you even call this a battle? The battles you always seem been face-to-face. Yeah, no, no. Just some distrax. Yeah, it's distrax. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A battle is like, not face-to-face. It's a battle, right? Yeah. Well, this is how mainstream artist. pretty much battle. That's how they battle. Yeah. We're not going to see the likelihood of seeing fools like that actually face to face is very slim

and then. Like, yo. I've tried. Yo. Yeah, right now, right? And what's crazy too, right? It's that is that this battle man was unfair, but it was still really important, right? Saying this, after this battle, again, we know, bro, that Drake, he's still no chance

because the culture itself was already against Drake. So after, like, after in this battle, though, like this consensus, oh, that Drake is now the greatest of all time, or he's on the trajectory to be the greatest of all time, that's off the table now. I thought this was an easy W for Drake. Hell no. I'm not going to lie.

I thought for sure, I was like, you know what? As far as the skill set that leads itself to being good in distrax, as far as like the type of punch lines. Kendrick don't structure punchlines the way like battle rappers do. The way like when fools from New York be like, yo son is nice. Like when they're talking about fools like Jada Kiss

or Cassidy or Beanie Siegel, like them type of rappers, Kendrick don't do that. You know what I mean? Drake can do that. He has way more of that traditional skill set. Kendrick's way more outside the box and abstract. However, you know,

What Drake did wasn't enough. He got out strategized. And Kendrick did the one thing that I said would win him the battle, make a super fucking West Coast banner. But it was enough. Listen, and that's the point left that we are all here missing up. It was enough, meaning this, right? Bro, Drake, by a consensus, dropped the best song in this battle. But, Keir Lamar dropped the song that just hits more, right?

mean this, right? Fan, if you give a song like push-up and Family Matters against any other rapper in the history of Earth, right? At a different time, mean this, right?

If Drake and Kendrick battled in 2015 and Drake gave him push-ups and Family Matters, his career is done. Like, like, pack it up, nigga, right? Back to Compton, you go. Listen, if in 2015,

Drake gave that little nigger push-ups and family matters and the beef is over with it. But it's 20-24 and the culture right now is shifted and people right now have Drake fatigue and they're ready to get rid of Drake. So now, if you give us a song like push-ups, bro, Family Matters was so potent. It's so amazing.

It was a lot. It was dope. It was dope. But the thing is, it's unfair. It's kind of the same thing that Eminem was talking about. to bring in full circle with his new album. The scrutiny he's under, based on the expectations, people expect Eminem to reinvent the wheel

every time he wraps. Like, no, like, you know what? Fuck a wheel. I'm just going to get something that looks like a big marble that rolls in all directions. This is the new wheel. That's what they expect Eminem to do when he drops an album. When Drake drops, people expected to be something

they've never heard before. They expected to shift the culture. They expected to bend genres and be something. very cutting edge. When he didn't quite reach that expectation, despite how powerful the records might have been, it fell short, it fell flat.

And that's it. Well, I feel like where Kendrick kind of got everybody on board was with the not like us. Yeah, of course. What he did was he involved everybody. He involved everybody to make people feel a part of it. So people immediately jumped on if you asked me. It was like, they're not like us.

Oh, shit, he's talking about us. He's talking about me. let's all like we're all I don't know I just feel like it took a little bit more impact because he involved people by the masses Yeah Us can be everybody It's right anybody and everybody

Right literally literally a biker club They're not like us They're not like us He was smart and how he moved that bro Like he wasn't dumb TikTok dances Chants although literally Everything I got him for everything I said that he

He should do But he did it way more than I thought he would Do the point where This is now One of the biggest hip hop records of all time. Yeah. It is.

It is one of the biggest, most impactful, hip hop records. We have to see, though, and how that thing ages, right? For example, if it loses steam

by Labor Day and, you know, it doesn't really, like recover, then it's kind of like... Then it would have had more longevity than any...

It's done what it's done, though. Yeah. The damage is already done. Like, yeah. It's already didn't reach the masses. He's already, I mean,

how high up. do you want it to go? I mean, shit the shit's shot out the motherfucking off the Richter scale, homie. That shit's weighing heavy. Well, look. Look, I don't think it has surpassed back to back this yet. What? It probably would, though. Oh, it has? No. Oh, it has. You see, didn't he hit the top billboard again and knocked him right back up to number one? He did. He's at number one again. Correct. Correct. And he actually, just for the first time, maybe ever has surpassed Drake

in monthly listeners on Spotify? No. Yes. Yeah, he did. Yes. He did. I'm pretty sure your damn Instagram account reported on it, damn near.

He did. You feel me like... It's temporary, though. Yes, temporary? Yeah, right? Everybody shit's temporary. You've been moving the goalposts a little bit to accommodate.

No, because you look at it, everybody shit's temporary. You can't say that, Flaco, like it's supposed to be there forever. It's supposed to be there for as long as it's going to be there and it'll move on. It's temporary, though, bro. Everything's temporary, but...

Everything's temporary, though. It's had more longevity than... Everything's temporary. In a week, listen. Listen, in a week, listen, right? Look, Russell, look, right? Look, bro, he's up by, like, by like 50% in terms of, like,

like the back catalog, right? Bro, Drake right now is still steady, right? Yeah. So, saying this. Bro, this is his, like, his, his peak moment of his career. Drake right now is still steady. Bro, as soon as Drake drops, like that shit is... Sorry, bye.

We gonna see. What? We gonna see. What? We gonna see? It's like Ice Spice, right? Like when she dropped, like, the song of Taylor Swift, and then she dropped like the Boers-Lyrievitz, right?

Yeah. Right? Right? So, Kendrick's about 300,000 more than Drake right? That's crazy. Damn. How's... Bro, listen, bro.

And his most dream song is still one dance. Finn, one song is responsible for like $500 million, right? Right? Right. But he had two number ones. Finn, listen, take that away, bro. And it's, look at, bro, come on, bro. Bro, listen, bro, it's not like us and like, listen.

It's not even much more than like that. No, no, no. Fair, look though, right? Look though. It's not like us and like that, right? fan Listen No Drake has

One dance has his most streamed songs Still The one that's at the top Means is the currently Most streamed In his catalog Here right Here right

Sure right They got three billion Yeah No no no Here right But to look at right But look at this though Right

It shows though That Drake's like His streams Coming from his back catalog Right Right Bro we've seen Not like us

like that and euphoria the three of the top five. So meaning this, and in like a month, and he's probably going to like back down to like 50. That's very possible. That's very possible. Yeah, bro.

Yeah, bro, like, this means nothing, man. But here, here, like, what's next though? And when you're talking about ice spice, just real quick, man, I'm just sad that Shorty lost her ass, bro. Like, she got too skinny. I don't want a body shame.

And it's not up to my face. Man, I want, I want baby to go back to eating the modes. Being on that road, man. Do that type of shit to you, though, man. Traveling, not eating right. You know, just that could be a possibility as well. But I'm just saying, like just being on that road, all that shit, man. It can do that.

It'll weather you. Yeah. Or maybe hanging out with Taylor Swift. She, like, somehow had like a device, a futuristic device to remove her ass and implanted into her. Like, she stole. Sounds nice, but what a reach. You know, sounds, sounds up, what a reach. I'd like to see Taylor with some ass.

Yo, bro, Bobby also having more ass than Ice Spice in 2024 was not on. That's what I'm saying, bro. It's not on my list of expectations. That's crazy. Just like, just Bobby got it like that? Shit. Well, now she has more ass than. Nah, she don't.

Bobby be shitting like that? Bobby's a nice, nice, awesome white woman. Yeah, but hold them. You know what shit? She's awesome. They just asked her about fucking the people she interviews. And she was like, did they ask me that all the time? No, no, no, no.

Wait, wait. Bobby said, I'm not fucking people I interview. But she's fucking now. Yeah, for sure. Okay. Like, I don't, yeah, I don't get where that's like a big fucking life. You divorced? Listen, you divorce your husband.

Bidches do it every day. Yeah. Bitches doing every day. Like, come on, man. But again, though. I like her, so I'm not going to, like, speak on that, bro. But, like, it's just a bad look when you divorce your husband of two kids and now you're on yachts with nothing but niggins.

Bruh, that happens every day. Welcome to the real, bro, bro. That's just, that's just one you caught on camera. Right, right. Like, come on, though. And then not only that, like, her husband was probably feeling insecure that she was about to glow up. We don't know the dynamics.

She might have, you know. If my wife is in bed with a rapist, Rapper. I'm done. Hair, man, but, here. So, like, so, do we care about Bobby Smurter and Rick Ross? Or no? I know.

I mean, next, I mean, listen, so Destiny gives banned from kick and demonetized on Twitter for saying this about the Trump and the shooting victims at the rally. Let's see what you're talking about. All right. So, hey, headphones. I play it. Fuck the dude. The firefighter guy. Fuck Trump. Fuck the people that support him. I just want you to know, okay? Just in case you're confused or it seems like I'm, you don't, whatever. If one of you were in the crowd and you're a conservative fan of mine and you end up, you know, getting blown away or whatever the fuck, I'm making fun of you the next day on Twitter. I am. 100.

Whoa. Fuck it. Fuck. Yeah, he's bugging. But I said this, though, right? they've been allowing him to talk like that. He's been doing shit like that. Like, I don't see what the problem is now. Why hasn't it been one? Yeah.

That's where I'm at with it, dog. It's not like this isn't the nature of how he gets down. You know what I'm saying? So why has it become a problem now is all I'm saying. Well, look, so here's why I think that it's a big, it's a huge problem, right? Because conservatives were rooting for Elon Musk to take over Twitter because they said, that we are sick and tire of cancel culture. We don't like deplatforming.

We don't like a folks being punished for their speech. But now the same conservatives are taking the Twitter asking for him to be the platform and demonetize and punished for his speech. To me, that's like hypocrisy, right? That's what I'm saying. I don't get that. It's definitely hypocritical.

But I think that it pretty much, when if you speak certain ways about the president and that under that umbrella is included former presidents no president yeah yeah it's considered a terroristic threat and anything that alludes to that you know in the post 9-11 worlds although yes has freedom of speech been compromised as a result yeah but due to the the excess of mass shootings that we have and all that they don't play when it comes to anybody. So I guarantee you, why would kick wanna fucking D platform

one of their biggest draws? They were obviously receiving pressure from the, like that's a government thing. No, sure, right? But here, but is he never sent a threat towards Trump and he just said, he's unhappy that the person missed. And he says that he don't feel bad for any conservative who was in that crowd and got killed, right?

And here's why I don't think it's out of line, right? Now, unfortunately for us where politics, like currently at, is past the bipartisan issue now, right? There are folks on either side who truly believes, right, that the people on the other side are truly evil and they are a threat to democracy of freedom. So if you truly believe in your heart that these niggas on that side

are a threat to your democracy and your freedom, Why, what do you want them to die? I mean, it's not about wanting someone to die. Sharp. Right? Sharp, what you got to say, man. I know you. I know you can help shed some light.

I mean, the only thing I'm looking at is this. And back to Destiny. I feel like this guy has been doing shit like this for the longest. He's been talking like this. This is nothing new. So I think that's what made him even comfortable to even say half this shit. Because he's like, shit, I've been getting away with it. Why nobody's been stopping it?

it when it's finally hit a level for somebody else when it should have been a problem is what I'm saying, you know? Like, I don't get that shit, and I don't think I ever will. Like, shit, let him rock now. Y'all been letting him rock. Y'all been letting him say shit like this.

Now all of a sudden, it's a problem. He felt comfortable because he's been getting away with it. 1,000%. He wouldn't have said that shit. He knew, oh, it's about to be this serious issue. I don't think he wants to get demonetized. Do you know what I'm saying? And banned?

Now, now do I think, so first of all, I'll just go on record, trying to, assassinate the president. I don't condone in any... Me neither. Even if I don't fuck with it, even if it's like a president that I don't rock with,

like that's, you know, that's our leader. You feel I mean? Like, 100% people don't, and we take for granted the, the liberties we have by living in the country we do. A lot of people take that for granted.

With that being said, I don't think that Destiny did anything wrong. However, I understand that it's not necessarily kicks choice. And I know why the government, government or, you know, is setting the president they are as far as not allowing anything that alludes to potentially encouraging someone.

Because him saying, I would laugh at one of my fans for getting to. Yeah, that's essentially him saying, hey, this is, I wish that full would have got. That's essentially equivalent to him saying that. That's real shit. Yeah. I agree with that. So it's doing it in a subversive way. So we're all in agreeance here that we say we don't really see the issue.

No. really at him. Like, we understand, like, what he was saying was fucked up. Of course. But where I'm at is, why hasn't this shit's been going on, bro? Why is it a problem now? Yeah. That's where my question comes into play.

Why wasn't this a problem back before this, this man's been on this type of shit? Destiny's been talking like this. Well, did he actually ever say something that was in the category of a quote-unquote terroristic threat? No, like, or that would allude to public safety. He just said, if this happens to you, that happens to you, and this happens to you. you're one of my fans, I'm going to talk, I'm a joke on you too tomorrow.

I'm going to roast you. Right, right, right. Pretty much. Which I, which I'm assuming they're looking at as a threat or inciting that type of a. If it's not that, then I have no idea why that would be over the line. Here, right?

You see, you see, right? So look, so prior to the shooting at the rally, right? Folks didn't really view, like, conservatives as, like, humans worth like protected right because people just just view them as like racist racist holes right but after that shooting now

there's this new shift now where like where if you like speak out against conservatives or speak out against that it's just like a new level of sensitivity now attached to that shooting and folks actually dying and losing their lives that now things that destiny may have said about them like prior

ain't really hit the same prior because the shooting, you know, like never happened, right? Nothing happened. Now it's sensitive, so now people are heightened, right? But again, no. Nobody here would cry if a senior citizen community of former Ashwood's guards get bombed up, right? Nobody would give a fuck. Why?

Because we truly believe that these people are evil. I'll be like, nah, let them suffer. Right? Yeah. So if he believes, Like for example, right? Do you believe that the people at the Trump rally are true racist? No.

There might be some, for sure, scattered amongst the crowds, depending upon the state. Sure. But I think the overwhelming Trump supporters are racist, no. I agree with you. But his demographic thinks that every son of a bitch there are racist or deplorables or degenerates who are trying to tear down this democracy. I know destiny not sliding for Biden, though, is he? He's sliding for like, for like, he's like Bernie Sanders.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? Nah. Nah. Or, uh, Robert Kennedy. Yeah, but, and that dude's politics confused the fuck out of me because.

Yeah, right. Nah, is he's like, um, yeah, like he's like a, right? Like, he's like a Democratic Republican. Yeah, like I thought he was super, like, far right with his shit. but it turns out he's not. No. No, no, no. He's like...

Yeah, man, but hey, listen, but Destiny, man, uh, yeah, man, like we are all saying that we are against you being banned, you feel what I mean? And it feels like it's fucked up. Yeah, free destiny.

I just, I don't see it. Next? Yeah. I don't get it. Oh, okay. So, look, so apparently the YSL judge

was recused and kicked off the case. And then the replacement judge recused herself. So, so now a third judge have been appointed and she's white. So do you all feel like this would affect this case? Like, how do you all see this case ending with now a third judge being, you know, being, being appointed over the case? It's looking very promising.

Yeah, yeah. That's what I think is looking very promising. All he's got to do is just sit back, bro. Let them hold their shit show until they can no longer. he's about to get ready to come home, dog. I ain't going to lie to you. For real, man. I'm not going to lie.

White judge lady looked like she used to get hit from behind saying, did a lot of shit just to live this? Hell not. I hope she comes in and sees that this shit's been a shit show and just closes it the fuck down. Straight up. Like, if y'all ain't got your evidence right,

y'all over here trying to dissect songs and all this shit, like, look, if you ain't got your shitting together, if you got your weather together, let's get the fuck up out of here. People got shit to do. Yeah, I need to get back to his life. We've held him long enough.

Come on, man. We've held him long enough. We ain't got nothing that's like, ooh, and ah, like, and it's pushing the case. Like, we're starting to dive and dig deep. It's still surface level, if you ask me. It's surface level bullshit that they're on. They're not even on anything for real. No, for a show shot, why did the second judge recuse of?

Oh, yeah. So apparently, one of in her deputies was, arrested for having sex with Big Brits, which is a co-defendant on the YSL case. So she's like... Everybody's fucking. Right? Yeah.

Come on. Is Atlanta, fool? Everybody's fucking. So she's like, hey, listen, even if I do take this case and I'm absolutely fair, they're still going to file for a mistrial because, you know, because I'm quote-unquote biased. So, like, to prevent that, I'm not, you know?

Right. So now a third judge, again, mind you, the two black judges got out of here. Now, now the third judge is white. Now, here's my thing, right? I do feel like a mistrial will happen, and they're not going to grant bond. And they're going to retry, you think? Yeah, right? Like, why don't they be Melly?

Right? Yeah, right? Just like they're doing Melly right now. Right? Yeah. It was a mistrial, and they kept, and it said, hey, niggas, like, you stay in here for like two more years until trial happens like November of 2025. What was crazy?

Like the Melly thing, I feel like is so much more evidence that look damning for him than this case. Oh, right. Like when you compare him, it's like... Yeah, by a significant margin. Yeah, no, no, no. Significantly.

Yeah. No, no, no, no, right. I agree. I agree. No, right, look, right? No, look. Thug had just just, just as much evidence against them, But the prosecutors are so stupid, right, that the, like, like, hey, right.

Look, for example, Thug and he, uh, and, and, and, like, he rented out like, like, like, like, like, here, right? So pretty much. I know you ain't talking about their rental car. You, you, look, right? So look, no, brother. Yeah, the rental car is that, that's like, if they know he wasn't in it, everybody, like, they've already looked at that, like, okay, he wasn't in the car,

and some of his people or somebody else's driving the car. They're trying to say that pretty much he sent them, rented the car, sent them to go do some dirt for him. Right. No, listen. Right. Listen, no, sure. But.

Don't get the dumb and shit he could have. No, listen. No, sure. But, though, is he was caught red-handed when they went to Hertz and got the rental agreement. But guess what? The prosecutors took an unsigned search warrant to get the rental agreement to prove that thug rented out the vehicle. Well, then when they got to court,

the judge said, well, I did not approve this. Like, this was illegal. So y'all can't use the rental agreement that that. Right. Ineptitude by the prosecution aside, that doesn't matter. We're talking about evidence. So whether or not, whether or not. Yeah.

And I'm not implying that he is guilty or they are guilty. We know he's guilty, but they can't prove it. But the thing is this. If there's not admissible evidence, then there's not admissible evidence. so whether it's in what we know though lush by the agreement that he ran out the vehicle but they can't use a number of recovery that's what I'm saying it's not admissible evidence

so whatever Melly got going on is a lot more damning it's looking a lot slimyer now this is also why he's not pushing to exercise right for a speedy trial because he's hoping something changes in the interim you know what I mean so when they retry like with Doug

he's trying to get the fuck out of there you know what I mean like now if they wind up doing a mistrial and not giving him bond that'll be super janky I don't know if that's going to happen or not well lush eye the state got to take this hell

take it on the chin lush eyes free slime because you know why they've already been exposed about how much money they've spent on this shit so far so to not convict anybody out of this or to get the motherfuckiness I was already about to go do some time it's not going to add up financially no no it's not bro

no listen bro like I knew this case was cooked when they started like to give people that they listed as high-ranking like members like probation. Yeah. Yeah. It's a rat. You know what I mean?

And they're high-ranking members. Why are they getting like like time served and probation? Like you feel me? Yeah. Right? It felt dumb, man. But at the end of the day, bro, we all know, right? That thug is probably guilty, right?

So even if we say, oh, we don't know about the murder. Okay, cool. There's still a recall case here, which they're saying, Thug is the leader of a criminal organization called YSL. Which is going to be very, very difficult. To prove what? The what? Because when literally you're relying on testimony from other individuals.

No, not. Like, because. His songs, the history of Yassel, which he was a fellow. according to his co- for entertainment purposes there's a difference between Cleveland like you know what I'm saying there's a difference between the hood and a label here no sure but according to the co-founder and who testified YSL started in like what 2011 2010 yeah right now now again now now that was prior to when Thug had the resources to have a label well okay so originally he was discovered by Gucci

they did the 1017 thug album he was like starting to buzz in the A but people most people didn't know he was 2009 2010 but by 2013 is when he like was set off and then then by 2015 he was one of the biggest artists in the world so sure like right no sure no right sure right but

but obviously though right YSL is not just a label because the people who are on trial for the are not rappers or all not rappers right so being like but still to actually define it as a criminal organization

and to define young thug as a kingpin to the point where they're able to actually charge him as they do with Rikos for everything under that umbrella it's very very unlike me like it's very when like you said when some of the strongest evidence

to actually make that point is not even immiscible. Lush, listen, right. Lush, listen, right. Lush, look. Lush. You're in your bullshit,

in you? Lush. Is they've been investigating since 2014? That's one. Two, fan, they got 6'9

convicted as a leader of Trayway. Now, I'm going to say this. Treyway had more of an argument as a label than, then like, then like, why? They did not convince. him as being a leader

of Trayway. Never. Never. No, no, we know the, like, you know, we, fucking, we,

we, Trayway is the leader. Yeah, right, no. You know, Mel, like, like, we know, those dudes.

We know the big dogs are. No, no, no. Nine Trey, like, no, sure, but guess what, though, is they said,

yo, he was the leader who was giving out the money and funding this criminal organization, and he played guilty to him. He was a resource. Yes, he was, he was.

So, also, he's a resource. To dumb, he was a leader. Hey, I ain't go a lie. I don't think so, because if he would have knew more, he would have told more. Yeah. I think he was, he was for his homies, he was on a need to know basis. Yeah. I don't think he knew everything.

At all. He would start talking more. Bro, if he was a leader, if he was a leader, then why were the fucking other fools running train on his bitch? Why were they taxing him? That's not what the fuck happened. Yeah. It goes the other way. like that, though.

Yeah. Not. It's the prospects that get their bitch as fuck. Not the fucking OGs. So I think that was a clear case of who was in charge. Yeah. That kid was getting ran and extorted. Yeah, he was pretty much.

And he opportunistically chose to align himself with something that was way bigger than he had comprehension of. Well, everybody know in the rap game, right? Like, you take a village to push you. Yeah, absolutely. It's easier to get on when you got 40 people screaming. same shit behind you versus you standing on stage screaming it by yourself. Right. It's a little different, right?

Absolutely. So I feel like that's what he did. He went and got with somebody yet. He had the music. He just needed the support group. He needed the team behind him. Boom. Had some niggas, hey, you got a couple dollars?

Hell, yeah. Come on. Fund all shit. Yeah. Now he got an army with him. And he knew, like, they were talking about, like at the Gummo video shoot, him going and purchasing whatever, the 20 red bandanas that he passed out.

Niggas be broke these days, bro. They'll take not a lot of him. Not a lot at all to come out. Buying a bandana from the L.I.Q. It's not equivalent to him. You know what I mean? And he even says, I'm with the Hoover's Suisse. I'm with the Bills and the Hoosers in that song.

He wasn't even fully with them yet. Yo, so I just seen that Billy Otto is now out of jail. Yo, we need, like, a three-year update, mate. Oh, yeah. Bring Billy Otto back. What? Right, right. Yes.

Because, bro, it feels like hip hop has forgotten about autumn. Right? You feel me? Right? Yeah. And hip hop has, like, moved on. I feel like, like, you know, a Billy Otto, a sickle billy, something, right? Like, bringing them on, I feel like it would be good, right?

Absolutely. All right, man. Absolutely. Yeah, what's next, Mikey? Just go down. Motherfucking block. That white judge looked freaky, though. Oh, Possible.

Yeah, let's go to Possible. So, yeah. Uh-huh. Oh, Bob Smoke's, her mom reacts to the No Jumper. Yeah, and a skip to like two minutes and 25 seconds, please. Have you been able? I think the shit is, but have.

Yeah, pause it. Okay, phone? She went along the lines. I think she went along the lines of saying, uh, yeah, that he's done. He's not going to, it's not going to be for long or some shit. Our intimate moments off camera having breaking bread with each other. And it makes me so angry to see someone who was granted another chance at life do interviews and be so disrespectful and disintuned and disingenuine.

It makes me so angry. And I find myself writing and like you are scum of the earth. And then I just kind of like reel back and say, T-T-T, that's not the energy that you need to have. But it makes me so angry. And I often think about you and how you may feel. And if you even pay any of that any attention or you close up. all out. I'm not tuned into that. It's not so much that I'm closing it out. It's that it's just not a part of my world. So I have people who will come and say, have you heard? People will hit me up

on, you know, are you okay? And I'm like, yeah, what's the matter? You know, and I felt the way when you just said that he was being disrespectful, because I've been told that he's been interviewing and being disrespectful, and I got to let that go. Yeah. Because that'll lead me up. Yeah. I got to let that go. Yeah. Because the bottom. line is your life is over. Yeah. His life is spending. He's living.

But if that's his approach to what he's done, life is done for him. Mm. And that gives me chills because it's like we know this, because we're at a level of consciousness. And we know how we're supposed to operate as humans. in the bodies on earth. And when you're not operating in that space,

your life is over. And although you are here and you have these arms to move and these legs to walk and these lips to get. We heard enough? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So. Hey, she's a dope interviewer, but she kind of... She's dope. She sounds like Elmer Fudd,

but she's fired. So I look at it like this, right? For everybody that was expecting this kid to come in and give this fucking prolific Barbara Walter special, his play. Let's just start right there, dog. Like, everybody expected this kid to come in and, like, it was supposed to be a Barbara Walter special.

He's supposed to have a turtleneck on. It's supposed to be a three-night event of, like, all this shit, right? First and foremost, he's a fucking kid. Yeah. He said what probably any other kid was going to say, man. You know what I'm saying? You could tell. He didn't know what to say or even how to say it.

He said what first came to his mind, which is a bunch of bullshit. And like I said, RIP to pop smoke. But there's a lot of kids out here living their damage like him. You know what I'm saying? He didn't even know how to really answer the questions thoroughly. You know what I'm saying? He's just like, I'm not sorry. Like he's trying to still register at hell.

You know what I mean? Like this is a fucking child here still, bro, mentally. He might be grown by having some hair on his nuts. You know what I'm saying? He might take a shit it stinks, but still a child overall. Yeah, absolutely. You know what I'm saying? Especially with your development arrested like that.

where you're during your childhood years, you're outside sliding, gangbanging, doing all that shit. And then you spend, you know, your formative young adult years being incarcerated. He pretty much said, I wish this didn't happen. Yeah, yeah, he didn't. You know, yeah, he didn't. You know, yeah, he didn't. You know, yeah, he's living?

You know what I'm saying, bro? And that's a true, that's a true representation of what's fucked up out here. We got to stop trying to sit there and, like I said, put limitations on, like, or trying to sit there and say, this person, wrong but this person's not. Like we gotta stop playing selective politics and that. And look at this shit as a whole and look at there's a real problem. Yeah. And honestly, I don't think that that kid, you're right.

I also don't think that that kid had the eloquence to properly express his emotions. And a lot of it, but, but I do feel like, you know, shouts to mama pop. For sure. First of all, you can see so much, I've never seen Pop Smoke's mother prior to this. Like, you can see so much of him in her. Like, she talked like him.

Like there's that, you know, she got that. Do you feel like she was saying your life is over because you're destined to crash out? Or do you think she was like this big woo on mine? Like we pushing lines? Quality. No, no, no, no. And she's talking about like like, like, like, it's his energy.

Right. Spirit. Right. And his spirit. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right.

If you have like that much hurt darkness in you is almost impossible to live a life. You feel me? You're already dead. Now listen. I had a conversation, man, like last night, man, with an OG man that I really respect, right? And he sent me this and said, say, yo, flaco, go back to the interview that, you know, like that, like, no jumper did, right? And just tell me anything, positive, not positive, impactful, just tell me anything that you can tell me anything that you can tell me. take away from that interview.

And I came back and said, I don't have nothing. And he said, that's my point, right? See, you see, like folks love to compare in this interview to the Keefe D shit, and I did too.

Yeah? But... That's a genuine comparison. Sure, but though, this interview was an anomaly and here's why, right? Even with Kee FD and Toopac. Years went by.

No, no, right. No. Or Pock did something and they retaliated. It's almost unheard of that we see somebody kill a beloved figure in hip hop, unprovoked, had no smoke with them. The only crime that Potsmo ever had was he was a hardworking young man who decided to make something out of his horrible life, become rich to take care of his family. That was his sin. And because he dared to do better

and dare to take a vacation to rest, he got murdered. And we not only platformed that, but we paid and compensated that person to come on here and antagonize, right? I don't know about that part. That's crazy. I don't know about the financial action.

That's crazy. I don't know. According to academics, Even Adam confirmed as well. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying? I don't know about that. Sure, sure, sure. Yeah, right, yeah, right?

You know, according to Act and, and he tried to use academics to up the price, you feel me? Like, like, like, negotiate. Yeah, yeah, right? He's a kid, right? Yeah. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, true, right? And he's a kid, but mentally, he's a child. No, sure.

And age-wise. Yeah, right? No, but though, in terms of rather not we should have done an interview, I started off saying, well, of course we should have, right? Because this ain't no different than it. And then it took education to where I said back and said, oh, no, this is completely different, right? Like, we've never seen this before, right? Where it's just unprovoked, just like, just out of, like, just, just out of just like pure evilness, you kill somebody because they, you know, like, right? Right? And then we platformed this.

And last night, I truly, like, just sat down with it, man, and said, damn, like, this was fucked up. I see what you're saying. But it's also, it's like, where do we draw the line? Because a lot of the artists that we celebrate, the content of their music is all about killing. A lot of the, okay, so you're saying because this was an unprovoked attack, because of that. Just a pure evil action, right? So because of that, that's what makes it. But okay, so would interviewing somebody like, you know, if he was still alive at Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles Manson?

They would all have interviews. For sure. Barbara Walter specials. Right. Right now. The top dogs are coming. They'll be nuts, though. Yeah.

Right? My problem. And they'll be nuts. Let me know. I just want to dive in on this and like let's put an adult aspect on this. Like I feel like we lost two black men. One died on the outside and one's dead on the inside. Yeah.

We lost. man, we're just losing people all the way around, dog. Like, I just want to know when this shit going to at least slow down. I get, not everything can just stop and come to a halt, you know? Right. When do we use this shit as learning lessons and not just shit to watch and shame?

No, I think that's an amazing point. And it's also a really interesting take that you brought up as far as it being... Just unprovoked. The fact that it was unprovoked does put it in a different category. As much as we... And conversation being in a...

as well, right. That's happening every day. It's happening right now as we're cutting this right now. Somebody's going through that right now, maybe 10 blocks down the way. Of course. It's happening all the time, bro. Right. I say, why do we wait for something like this to happen to this magnitude to be like,

okay, enough's enough? And that's what I say. Like, that's why always go back that shit? Like, why is it always had to be select politics when it comes to that? It's like, okay, now we can say it's enough. Why wasn't enough before? Just like with the destiny situation. Why wasn't it enough before?

the man's been on that type of shit. Why is it now it's starting to get a magnifying glass on it and now it's become a problem because somebody can't listen to some music. Man, there's people out here ain't ever going to see their babies again, dog. Brothers and sisters, like, it's fucked up. No, like,

for example, right? Even like with King Vaughn, right? There was an... I was going to bring him up. Thank you. Yeah, right? There was still the aspect of, you know, we were dressed in beef and we did what we had to do, right? Right. Or even like with Ted Bundy, right, is, and his last interview was, yo, I'm trying to give this message to save more people.

So there's some purpose to that last interview of Ted Bundy. This dude came, was unapologetic apparently. And it did nothing, it served no purpose, but to antagonize the family of pot smoke, the last month, the loved ones of Potsmoke. And all that interview did was, listen, if anybody watched that interview who love Potsmoke, it don't bring closure.

No. It did nothing but antagonize. But do you feel like that? And he was compensated to antagonize. But was that Adam's intention? No. Did Adam say that? In fact, did he not give him ample opportunity

to express remorse? No, sure, sure. Do you think that Adam or anyone would have anticipated? Hey, dog, this ain't the Supreme Court over here, there's not impact. There's not impact statements being given out. Like, or where he's got to say he's sorry or anything like that. He's not in a court of law anymore.

He feels in his mind he did everything he was supposed to do behind that, whether it was having juvenile life, whatever, mind you, he was a juvenile, dog. Yeah. He was underage when all this happened. Yeah. What I saw was a kid that was probably being heavily coached. didn't even have the ability to properly express himself. No.

And was completely just, you know, overwhelmed by the whole situation. Now, does that justify his actions? Absolutely not. Fuck, no, it doesn't. You know what I mean? And it goes back to what I said earlier, of no jumper being known as a platform that makes people famous. That doesn't mean that every person that appears on this platform,

whether it's that guy, whether it's Jack like Jess, whether it's whoever, whether it's Richard Spencer, Destiny, whoever, it doesn't mean that Adam's beliefs or in line with that or he's trying to platform them to help them ascend. He's merely trying to conduct interviews, do media, and tell stories. No, no, no, look. And nobody is saying that this kid should not be able to have a life, right? Meaning this, right? Yo, like, if he takes this and turn it into a positive and live a life where he has a positive

impact on his community, then in a weird way, that's still a net positive out of the situation. Hey, just because somebody, and I'm, like I got to say it, look at it for what it is for face value. Just because somebody kills somebody don't mean they're going to change their life. No. You know what I'm saying? Mother going to change when they're ready to change. He's still a young man, bro. He's still, like, he hasn't, like we're not talking about like a 33-year-old that said,

man, you know, he's done a lot in his life and now he found Jesus Christ. Right. You know what I'm saying? I think that's what a lot of people were expecting from him. Like, coming to be like, man, like, I turn my life to the Lord. Like, you know, I'm trying to help do this, do that. I think it shocked people that sound like he's doing the same shit he was doing before he got locked up. And I think that fucks with people's minds.

I'm like, he never, like, jail doesn't rehabilitate him. No, no, no. That doesn't rehabilitate anybody, dog. So I hate when people see motherfuckers and say, oh, well, they did all this time, they come out and do the same shit. Well, you never really got rehabilitated. You get locked up for deterrence and retribution to deter future crimes and for retribution for the acts that you've committed. Has got nothing to do with rehabilitation. That's an afterthought.

So to expect him to come out and be like, you know, like I said, have all this prolific shit to say and, you know, twist it around and be like, I wish I could have turned back the hands of time. And he said something along that lines. He just said, I'm not sorry. Right. You know, and whatever the fuck registers in his mind, that that's the problem. problem, bro. It's because what's sick is he believes that. Yeah.

That's what's sad is that you can see he believes that. You know what I'm saying? Because that's all he knows. Nobody taught him nothing. He's a very limited, limited perspective. Nobody taught him nothing, bro. I pray that that that young man gets it figured out. And, you know, I pray that it seems like mama's mama pop is in a very...

Of course. No, no, like, and like, for the people who are, I guess, angry or upset that this kid is free. Your anger is misplaced. You shouldn't be mad at him that he's free. Be mad at the legislators. At the justice system.

Who put the laws in place where if a 14 year old picks up his gun and kills 20 people, and he's going to be out by 19 or 21 masks. There is discretion to try as an adult. There are instances. Oh, no.

There are motherfuckers and got China is an adult. Yeah. No, no, no. Here to California, though, now, though. It's rare. It's rare. It's rare.

Yeah. It's rare. Yeah. It's rare. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, right. Finn, listen.

Like, as soon as he took office and he, like, apparently, like, got rid of vice synthesis for, bro, he, you know, is he made it clear. If you are under the age of 16 years old, you're going to have two lives. Meaning, bro, bro, you can do whatever you want to do. do. Go out and kill 20 niggas, man. Yeah, they're going to say to Y A fire care. Yeah, you got it, man. So, hey, right? So

if I'm in the streets, bro, what's stopping me from saying, hey, bro, and here's 5K to any, like, low, homie? You feel me? Slide on him. We might need to reevaluate that. I'm not going to lie. We might need to re-evalue. It's crazy. With the

with the frequency of the murders in our city being committed by the youth, then yeah, we might need to revisit that at a certain point. Yeah, because I can go lie, because a kid don't know that law, right? Before he can recite his social security number. Yeah, before they know their times tables. He'll let you

know that, hey, I know I can get away with this shit, you know what I'm saying? I know the law on this, but he can't even tell you his time tables or tell you his social security number, bro. Right. You know what I'm saying? Right. And their OGs tell him at a young ass age, you're going to be right, don't trip. And I'm not a 12-year-old. Yeah, exactly. So, and then

at a certain point, it's like, where do we draw the line? But I know we have a couple more topics, but I do. I have a question for each one of y'all individually because you haven't spoken on this on No Jumper and you is my first time seeing you since then. First of all, fire ass sauce Walker interview. You feel me like, Owee. Thank you. With that being said, you guys had a really interesting debate. You feel me?

I want to know Sharp's takeaway from the only fans versus traditional pimping debate. debate between you and sauce. I had an interesting conversation with a young lady the other day that actually does only fans and porn and shit like that, right? And she even said, she's like a lot of us, like this shit's slowing up. She's like a lot of us

are converting or going to hoeing. I was like, and there it is. I said, that was the day I was waiting for. I sat back, I said, I'm not even as happy as I thought I would be when I finally heard one of those chicks say something like that. I was just like, damn, what goes up must come down. What happens is,

something gets oversaturated, it fucks up the money for everybody. It's too many players in the ball game now. You know what I'm saying? It's too many players on the field. So now everybody's in there bumping heads and you know what I'm saying? Bumping shoulders trying to get a buck and it's like shit. I'm a game wide open. You dig what I'm saying?

People are starting to get tired of videos and pictures. They want the real thing. But do you still have the same aversion to it that you did before? Like when you had church on there, the whole Tucker the Toothold. Well, I understand it a little bit better now. Okay. I understand a little bit better now. You know, like, hey, shit, it's just changing within the times.

You know what I'm saying? There's just other entities other than pimping and owen that's going on now. You know what I'm saying? Because this is what I say, bro. See, this goes to show even squares want to touch that type of money. You know what I'm saying? They just don't want the stigma or the label of being known as a whole or being known as somebody who gets money off a bitch, whatever, right?

They just don't want the label. But people still want the money. Right. You know what I'm saying? It just goes to show you, man. But now they're called sex workers. Yeah, now it's sex workers. And like, you know, they've, this is the square's eyesight on things now.

You know what I'm saying? I'm like, shit, we've been looking at it like this. Y'all just got here. Welcome. It's kind of equivalent to the way that in the weed game, there's all these fools that were growing packs up in, you know, Humboldt County or random cuts all throughout Cali. And, you know, basically busted that entire market open.

and created all the pipelines. But then when legislation changed and Prop 215 came and marijuana was legal, they weren't the people profiting off of that situation. All the, as you say, the squares, not the outlaws that were the ones on the ground. Now they're starting to get stumped

and now they're starting to be brick walls where they're like, damn, how do we get through this? You got tech bros that just put their inheritance up and boom, all of a sudden, you fucking OG fucking, a jelly tuna in Humboldtownies out of business.

It's like this when shit fails. They're like, fuck, we still want that kind of money, but what do we do now? We always said we'd never be hoes. Yeah. Yeah. And once that idea pops in mind, baby,

it's like a gateway drug. You dig, once that pops in, you might say no today, but damn it, give it a couple months. Give it that time where you got to really pay for something and you ain't got that money.

Right. But you know you've been kind on the fence of doing this type of shit already anyway so it's like fucking let me try it once right and obviously now the climate of society is encouraging that way more than ever before due to things like only fans so although that might have been a break in the traditional way that that pimping went down it kind of still fed the ecosystem to the point where it's right back it's just it's a fucking it's a revolving circle man it just comes back in full time, full circle.

But it's dope that to see you and a sauce, you know, having that debate and sprinkling game and, you know. Look, I say this, man. It doesn't matter what the bitch is doing. Hey, shit, for even him to each their own, I get it now. Like, that's cool. But I just told him I can never do that shit on me. I come from a different walk of life.

I can't, I can't be a part of that, my nigga. It's just some things we got to say no to. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's not about the money. It's just about who you are as a person, you know what I'm saying? and what you stand for. Shit, he felt like crossing over and going and getting on camera and doing a whole bunch

of freaky shit. Hey, that's cool. That's only him. No, that's only him. Like, no offense to him. He's still a good dude. Like, I'm not taking nothing from him. But he knew what I was saying.

When I told him, I said, me and you both know, that's not the game. I said, you know better. Yeah. And he said, you're right. You know what I'm saying? He knew. Like, so he had to make that choice on his own. It wasn't just because that's just the way it goes.

Yeah. And I just want people to understand that. Like, he made that choice. it's not, oh, here's the next level. Okay. You get what I'm saying? It's just a different path. He just took a different path in it, you know what I mean, than others.

But hey, shit, man, shout out to him. I appreciate the interview sitting down with him. Hopefully, me and him, we sit down and get more in the future. That's one of the best rappers in the world, in my opinion. I love sauce. I fuck with him. And Flaco, so my question for you, what is up with the U and ODM Slim situation, where are we at with it now?

Who? ODM Slim Oh um That I love up block It's always like who What is it? Yeah I'm in German

I think I've seen some about that Bro, listen It seemed like there's The y'all had gotten into it And then Was it on Clubhouse Or some shit And like it wasn't Clubhouse

It was like Discord I think And y'all were arguing And then Is it squash now? Like what's going on? Oh, we're getting into it Okay No, that shit is fake,

feel me? Okay. Here, here, look, right? If, like, I've only messed him a couple of times and then you see him on social media

like making hundreds of videos about me, like, clearly, like, he don't have my beef on me, right? Because, like, why would you be so focused in and honed in and obsessive of making hundreds of videos about somebody that you don't know? You feel what I'm?

Like that, right? I say that all the time, But you know what? We all know that people don't believe what they want to believe anyway, though. That's why people put those hundreds of videos out because what it does is it paints narratives. Yeah. Yeah. And people love narratives.

There's people making videos about all of us right now. Right now, right? Right. Right. So, so his hostility and animosity towards me had to have been fake, right? Because you don't really don't me like that, right? Like we don't talk. We don't kick it.

Right? Right. Right. Like so like, so you're making hundreds of videos about me. Right. like making like 99.9% of your content about me obviously you know it's not real right so listen man I wish that man the best

you feel me um I wish him much success if he feels like talking about me is how he's gonna build a fan base hey then listen then like I hope that he's successful right me brother um I'm about to go on to bigger and better things you feel me right you know, right like... Are you killing it, fool? Right, bro.

Like, I have some new shit dropping. Right? So, like, like, right now, bro, I'm just completely focused on just growing this business and just focusing on a bigger and better bags, right? So I feel what I mean? And so all the other channels, man, who 99.9% of their content is about flaco, I wish you all the best. Because, again, I'm not that big.

And y'all probably ain't really going to, like, get it. any success from it, right? Because I'm not that big, right? But, hey, you know, if Hayton is higher pay your bills, man, then, hey, you know, feel me,

you know, you feel me, then, you know, then I'll be it, you know? Say less. Yeah, man. Okay. Shouts of both of y'all.

And this is a general question because I don't know what's going on with it. Sure. When Milk 74 posted that picture of him in the tent, was that a joke?

He's not, like, really homeless, actually, like, right? Like... Wait, wait, You didn't see that? Wait, milk 7, before, post the picture. It was like, I want to say four or five days ago,

on Instagram, and people were reacting to it. Nina Boy did a whole reaction to it. Bro. That's just a joke, right? He's not really homeless. Oh, yeah, no be trolling, bro. Milk trolling, okay.

Yeah, but man, nah. Because the fact that people were like, because Nina Boy and I know they, They used to be into it, did a whole reaction. And then Hader World reaction. I love the other boy, man. Yeah, and the other boy's hilarious. Bro.

Bro, I love the Nita boy, man. Like, he's, yeah. Catch it now. And then that full, uh, Hater World wound up doing your reaction of it too. Oh. Also, I mean, but. I'm actually doing like, uh, in Hades World on the 30th. Fire.

Listen, man. I'm excited. Listen, I became a fan of Hader's world after he exposed that racist dude. Oh, yeah. Oh, the Norby's situation? Yeah. Yeah. Hitter world's a real dude, bro.

Hey, listen, after that, listen, he got my 100% support on whatever he wanted to do. It doesn't matter. The boy milk really in the tent? Nah, man, that's just some. Some bullshit, man. Yeah, it was just, like, very... Hey, be careful what you play with or wish for.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You just might get it. Man. I don't play like that. Yeah, and he said... And what is, what is, like, caption was it was basically like, you never know what life's going to hand. You got to be ready for the twist and...

I ain't trying to put no images to that. Yeah. Oh shit. Did you know what I'm saying? Like, unless it's real, I mean. That's just me. Because if I would have thought that was real, I'd try to look out for, bro. Like, here, my nigga, like, get it off the green.

Yeah, no, I was going to say, like, you feel me me in terms up to, bro. Yeah, get up the ground. My nigga, we ain't about to be doing all that. But, like, just to play like that, like, be careful what you wish for. Yeah, man. So that shit comes. I'm in full circle. You, man, man.

Like, before I go homeless, bro, fan, like, I would, like, move to, like, move to the Midwest and get a job right? Right? Because listen you know listen right bro like you can find places and on earth right now bro like where rent is like $600. You feel me? Right? Of course. Right? Right like so like if before I go homeless

I'm back to Iowa somewhere you feel I'm back to like Arkansas Fool's got this fool grew up here He got somebody Yeah yeah yeah yeah he's not gonna be like in a fucking tent You know what I mean? Duh yeah but But hey listen man We just passed a two

hour markman. What about the academics before we did? Oh, sure. You want to do that? Yeah, short thing. So, AC was tripping on Complex after they made him

number one on their top 25 media list. But the reason why is because... Yeah. So pretty much, so Complex put like top 25, right? And for everybody

and on the list is they did nothing but positive shit, right? But for academics, they didn't put nothing positive. right they said that he chooses that like truth and ethics isn't his strong suit

right how he has like a cloud chasing narrative right and they even bro these bro these fucking scumbags pieces of shits as a complex put him at number one and then brought up his court cases he's currently like if I mean right like he's like he's like he's

like he's like he's like he's like he's currently going through right And academics and the whole thing is this. If you guys are going to celebrate me, then celebrate me. Or at the very least, treat me the same as you treated everybody on the list. Or don't bring me up at all. Right? Yeah.

Right? Because, look, because Joe Button was on the list. Charlotte May was on the list and both have some, you know, former employees or just had static with the complex. Well, Joe Button was a former complex employee as well. Yeah. Well, that in and, there are, you know, there are some incidents that are, that are,

contentious. Yeah, right? There are things that they could have pointed to that was just a serious, if not more serious than what actors currently going through, right? But they chose to put nothing but pleasantries for Charlemagne and Joe Budden. Sure, there's a lot of things that could have said about Zesty Joe, you know, but. Nah, man. Negative said shit about anybody on that list, really, you know what I mean?

What, Joe not Zesty, but, like, he feels. fuck bad bitches. He do got a crazy Pokemon card collection. Boy, what? Sin Tahiri got the dude. No, no, no, no. Yeah, he got some Pokemon cards. Yeah, right? Right, no, right? So, he could chew, why choose you? Some dudes, some

dudes, you know what they really do. I mean, that, that is true. A lot of fools do overcompose. So that way, they ain't got to worry about you raising questions. He's, hey, that aside, I don't know. He definitely knocked him down. You know. I don't know But is it kind of weird

That Complex had Act Joe and Nadezka All on the list And they're all like former Most of Everyday Struggle Hmm Is it weird that all three

Like Ak, Budin and Nadecca Were on the list And they were all Um I don't think it's weird Because academics and Joe Budin They for sure deserve it

They are undoubtedly Undisputedly The top two hip-hop media personalities, right? Now, do I feel like Nadeska? Now, again, Ndeska does a lot behind the scenes with Apple music and she's like that. So I'm not going to have an issue with it.

Yeah, me neither. But I wasn't aware she was still acting like that. If it was my list, she wouldn't make it. But I'm not mad that complex, right? A corporation and infrastructure that funds and runs by gatekeepers, I don't feel like it's out of ordinary that they would put Nadezsche,

drinks and others on a list, you feel me? And she's raw. Like, I definitely I rock with Shorty. Do you think, what are your thoughts on Kai and, like, his placement on that list? Um, yeah. Yeah. Like, Kai being there makes absolutely, like, no sense at all. So, Adam and Brick were tripping on me for saying that

Kai isn't a hip-hop media personality. Like, that's, that's literally what I said. Yeah, Kai's a gamer, like the streams. But Adam and Brick, like, were telling me how wrong I was. Why? Because, because, because essentially what Brick says, that is that's when when the hip-hop

when labels are rolling out an album sure that's who they're giving their budgets to are those people that's who they're promoting through which does make sense and it does promote rappers wait sure if kaisanat is a hip-hop media personality

then why isn't andrew shultz on that list I mean he has a hip-hop podcast yeah he like yeah I would say there's yeah right I don't I agree with you I consider him a different category. Now, is he adjacent to hip-hop culture? No,000 percent.

Kai built his following off of gaming. For sure. Yeah. He just transitioned. Yeah, it's literally he just transitioned. No. Listen. Listen, like, he's still streaming, but they come and, you know,

like they play video games. But like, he's not real, listen, even now, yo, like Kai's not, is a streamer who play games, right? He's not a hip-hop media personality, right? Like, and if we count Kaysenot as a hip-hop media personality. There's a slew of other people that I can name.

Like, for example, Shana Shaw. Yeah. Should be there then, right? Hell yeah. Well, I mean, like, is he. And he's, man, striking. Yeah. And he has about like 10 rappers, right, like, interviews like this year.

Yeah, yeah. If, because that does move the goalposts. Right. Then, yeah. I don't consider Kaysen. Is he, is he one of the most influential people to hip-hop culture? Yes. Of course.

He's a huge influence. But that's not the same thing as media. Of course. No, and I had a big issue with Elliot Wilson being number five. And here's why. In 2020, again, there's no academics, there's no flaco, there's no no jumper without Elia Wilson. Yeah, he's one of the goats. He's one of the goats of this hip-hop media shit, right?

Him and, listen, him and Benzino. Yeah. Right? But in 2024. throw Bobito on there. Of course. A few other names, you know, sway. Yeah, right.

Fair, right. Look. But in 2024, Elliot Wilson doesn't move the needle, right? Especially if you put DJ Vlad at number six and Elliott Wilson at number five, it's kind of like,

like, what do we even, like, what are talking about? And Adams number 22? And drop three points from the previous year? I'm going to be real.

Like, like, like. too, bro. Adam is so hated that I'm shocked they like even included Adam. Right?

You have to. Because they, listen, they despise, for real. They despise no jumper that I was shocked that like they were even honest enough to put Adam,

bro. Yeah. We're hating. Yeah. Don't they be tripping on act like that too, though? No. He gets a lot. Vlad, they all get that type of degree.

Listen to me, bro. Like my top three, man. And here's my top three that I feel like should have been top three. It should have been academics. Joe Button. Now mind you, Joe Button is there and not the Joe Button podcast.

It's Joe Button, right? Three, I think it should be Rory, right? At number three. Now, here's why I put, yeah. Now, again, I'm not saying the Rory and Mall podcast is three. In terms of hip-hop takes, commentary, insightfulness, I don't think that we could really put

like too many niggas with a candle up to Rory in terms of his hip-hop takes, right? Oh, is that right? Yeah. Hey, Rory's fire, by the way. This is not me. Oh, Rory to me, listen, bro. So you're saying nobody can hold a candle to his sakes.

Look, look, right? Look. if Rory and Maul like podcasts chase clout a little bit more, right? It went out of like their body to do certain things to get more views. Oh, I'm putting him above like Joe and possibly act.

In fact, not. Act to me is number one, right? But Rory to me, again, just in terms of people who I enjoy listening to talk about hip-hop, Rory is like one of the greatest to ever do this shit No, he's dope. Let me ask you a question.

Sure. I don't want to lack self-awareness. I don't want to get... I'm trying to hold it in when this nigga be talking. Yeah. I don't want to fall victim to bad podcasting main character syndrome. Oh, sure, sure.

Or any such related. Sure. Where the fuck do I fit in to that conversation then? Uh, I feel like... Why the fuck? Sure. Because I don't feel like I'm anywhere near top 25 as far as in, like, but as far as takes, knowledge, discussions.

Here, right? What? Here, right, look, though, right? So, now, now look, and here's what sets Rory apart, right, from a lot of people, right? I feel like in terms of your strengths, in terms of like the, like, like, like, like the extreme hip-hop knowledge. I feel like Rory, he matches you in terms of your hip-hop knowledge. But he's just much more talented in terms of takes. You feel what I got to do better to get like him?

But I don't, listen, I can't tell you. Listen, if I knew, then I would also be imitating it, right? Right. But I can't tell you the sauce because I don't know the sauce. You feel me, he just got the sauce. I'm not going to say that he has. I'm not going to say that he has bad takes because I actually agree with the vast majority

of what he says. Of course. We might vary here and there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. However, I don't think that there's a huge... And as far as knowledge... Move the goalpost, much.

Move the fucking goal. I'm moving that bitch. Ten yards. In terms of hip-hop knowledge, bro, and he matches you. Matches, you know, that's debatable. I would like to... I'll put myself against anybody in the world as far as we could do.

I don't know what the metric would be. If it would be some type of trivia thing or long form discussion. I don't really know how we would be able to even what we would use as a barometer to judge that. No, no, no, no, no. No, Russell, look, right? No, look, sorry. Russell, look. So in terms of like judging.

I know more than everyone. No, no, no, no, no, right? In terms of judging like the hip-hop knowledge and it, right? But that's what makes Rory special, right? Is he also has like the deep knowledge, but he still comes across as like a color commentator who's just like, he's just like hilarious as fuck has like real like insightful off the wall takes place.

Yeah, right? Like, is he matches like the hip hop knowledge of a U and a B dot. Okay. But he still has the takes of like a Charlotte Maine and a Joe buddy and academics. And do you think those takes because they're more polarizing and they're more, they incite more conversation? Is that basically what you're saying?

Nah, you're like, you don't even like, listen, like, it's hard for me to say that I have, like, a Rory take that's going to, like, set the world on fire, but he just has a way with words, bro, right? Yeah, bro, yeah, bro, yeah, bro, yeah, bro, yeah, bro, bro, what? I just like watching this. This is funny. Oh, he's really waiting for you to give him some type of validation. Oh, you believe that you're better than Roy.

No, I don't believe. I don't believe that. No, no, I don't need. He just wants to know why they're not in the same. No, I'm genuinely asking what I need to do better. No, no, look. I could get like that. Right.

Because when it comes to, no, no, when it comes to like just the, the cultural knowledge and the insight and the ability to express myself, I got that. But I'm far away from the, from that impact. So I want to know what the fuck I got to do. to improve. That's really what it is. I don't need the validation.

Lush, sure. I want the fulfillment, maybe. Lush, lush, no, sure, right? But, cares why you would probably not be on his list, right? No, I know I'm not on the list. You are under no jumper.

Right. Kid his ass though, bro. Yeah, yeah. Fuck you, bro. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, right? No. Win-lose or draw. Sure.

No, no, right? You are under no junk, like, for example, right, right, right, right? Is Joe is on the list. Quinn's flip-ish ice, they're not on the list, right? Right. So for you, you will have to like, you know, just grow and, you know, just, you know, right? Just, you know, just form your own thing, right? Now, listen.

That makes sense. Right? Now, me personally, because I'll be real, bro, I should be here, right? Uh. Oh, now the truth comes. comes out. And here's why, right? He looked at me

a dead serious that's a lot of speed. I'm not disagreeing. Wait, though. In terms of two people that's there, Arshan and Nadeska. Now, Arshan is part of our new class.

I love Arshan. I have more IG following, more YouTube following, and I watch Arshan in views per month. So, it impact. So there's no argument for why our

is on that list and over me. It's not even even like a discussion, but I fuck with Arshan and I'm happy for bro, he's on there. But in terms of me being there, oh, for sure. And the Deska, more YouTube, IG, everything, right?

I have my own platform, right? You know, she sort of attached to Apple Music. Coo, right? So, do I think that I should be there? If those people are there, then I should be there. But if we're just talking, objectively, I can name 25 hip-hop media personalities

before myself. Right. Right? Like, for example, I think for sure that the street life production should have been there. I think for sure art of the dialogue should have been there. Right? I think for

sure, Desert Project should have been there. Right? Right? I'm supposed to go up there. Yeah. Oh, yeah, right? Yeah, I got to go up there and go see it. Right? So, If we're saying that this the list and I have to fit myself in the list and take somebody off, well, like, I'm definitely above an R-Shon and the desk in the landscape of hip-hop media.

Yeah, I mean, like, also the rankings. That's why I said. So let me ask you, okay, Traplora Ross definitely deserves a spot. 100%. Yeah. We love TLR, right? He, he... I think he was like 18 on there or something like that.

No, uh, and no, uh, and he was 20. And I do think that he deserves to be probably like top 15, top 10. Yeah, I think he should have been higher on the list too. Yeah, right. I agree. How come he's higher on the list than Adam? Cool. Just for example.

Well, they hate Adam. So, I mean, does Adam really do? Okay, how about this? They hate Adam. Let's not make it about Adam. Let's say no jumper. Oh, okay. Where's no jumper on that?

They hate no jumper. Like, Ludge, listen, lush. Us even being here should be, okay, right? Because lush. they would rather like, like, like, kill all their credibility by like, like, like, you know, like, you know, like, by leaving us off, the point of zone, right?

But due to the year that we have had, it would. They had to. They had to put us on, right? Right. Like, for example, right, Trappler Ross, right? Bro, in 2023, he should have been here, right? Yeah, I agree. And he dropped the King Von documentary.

So like in In 2023 You couldn't find me A more impactful Hipop media personality than Traveller Rawls In 2020 Right One of them taught for show

But he wasn't there And one can argue that he should have been like top five Top 10 Right So this list now is them trying Like trying to make it right But Honestly honestly

Honestly bro in 2025 If I'm not on here The list means nothing. Let him know. So when, when Ack responded to it, he basically told them, fuck you.

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