No Jumper - The No Jumper Show Ep. 49

Episode Date: July 1, 2020

This week, AD joins Adam and Cam Girl to talk about Akademiks, Virgil Abloh, Shane Dawson, cancel culture and more! 2:06 Black Panther: Adam says Joe Exotic is the same for white people 5:30 AD was late to cover for House Phone 19:45 6ix9ine biggest drop from the #1 spot 22:20 Tik Tok pushing certain songs, dances are lame and all the same 23:59 Tik Tok vs reality: Tik Tok doesn't want to promote ugly ppl 36:20 Coronavirus update, cases spike and cities reopen 37:50 Adam and AD livestream drunk and high + AD and Lavelle are now best friends 40:31 AD wants to be on TV, maybe on 90day fiance and plan to break the internet 47:00 White couple pulling g*** outside their house during protests 48:41 Akademiks vs Freddie Gibbs, Adam's total break down 52:25 AD says: stay in ur place if you're a blogger if you bring a wild energy Imma think it's on when I see you 1:04:32 The R&B conversation, Adam and AD going back and forth, Adam doesn't care about R&B. AD says: Adam needs soul 1:13:27 Adam and AD argue "white music" vs rap music, Adam shares a list of what he listens to right now 1:16:20 G Perico sends R&B playlists to AD every Sunday and AD shares his current R&B list, Adam doesn't listen to any music at all when he makes love 1:30:40 Pop Smoke cover outrage 1:41:21 Shane Dawson full debacle break down 1:48:30 Adam and AD fighting over Shane Dawson and Adam defending him and what offense level deserve cancelling 1:55:05 Adam insists that Shane apologized and people shouldn't hold it against him 2:08:00 AD says all things Shane add up + Adam compares Biggie lyrics to Shane Dawson black face level of offensiveness ---- No Jumper News Discord: https://discord.gg/paeuHD FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/529... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/No-Jumper-19... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper Follow Adam22: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and adam22hoe on Snapchat #NoJumper #Live Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Big house phone. Big house phone. So you guys might be noticing house phone has gotten a little bit bigger. Just a bit. We juiced them up a little bit. We inflated them. We made them taller.

That's how we started the last podcast with 80. We called him an elephant. So I don't think that's how we should start. Yeah. And then he acted like a victim the whole fucking time. I did. Even though he is the one who made us a half hour late. What were you doing?

You're fucking in a drive-by. You're always on some fuck shit. I was in the city. And then somebody put the five on fire. Right. No way. I just I drove through the five too. It's some smoke on the five right now. God damn. There's a big fire in the middle of the fucking freeway? Not in the middle but like on the side. That's like it was just crazy traffic and shit. People will slow down a lot whenever there's a fire or anything to look at on the side of the road. It drives me crazy. It's hard not to because just because everyone's slowing down then you kind of slow down look. Right. You're like well fuck I'm adding to this stupid ass problem. But the worst feeling on earth is when you get to the end of the traffic and you realize the accident's on the other side and the only reason why this traffic is because everybody starts. slowing down on.

And staring. Yeah, just because they're rubbernecking. Yep. Is it rubber neck out here? That's the term rubber neck. I think so. Rubber neck works out here because that's big where I'm from. Yeah, I think that's the term.

I just haven't heard it in a while. Where I'm from is the home of the rubber neckers. Really? That got a little dicey. It's episode number 49, which means we are one episode away from the Virgil episodes, which I'm extremely excited about. Everybody, make some noise for episode 49. Episode 49.

I don't know if I've ever... Virgil minus one. I've ever done an applause like that or like a standing ovation, seated ovation, etc. But people at home will be noticing that Lil Ketamine is not here today. He's dealing with some family issues. And so we've hollered at. We've hollered at the biggest G that we know to come and fill in for it. Whole house phone is watching Black Panther.

Yeah, I mean, but you had a girl in here the other day and she, she said she hasn't seen it? Yes, that was crazy. Oh, my God. The fact that she also hadn't seen. Two black people did not see Black Panther. I'm disgusted. We should have a Black Panther like viewing party. We should do that.

For the 18 black people who haven't seen it yet. Yes. It's like, I'm like, wow. Dude, the crowd at that would be so fucking funny because it would just be like anybody who wasn't in on any of the shit. Like everyone was talking about on Twitter at the time that every fucking video was about for a while. It would be like a land of people who were just sort of like cut off from society.

Probably a lot of people who were in jail at the time. Mm-hmm. That would make sense. Yes. What else? Like that's the question for somebody who hasn't seen Black Panther. What were you doing that weekend? I don't know.

You went to go see it. Exactly. Or the next few weekends after it. I didn't go the weekend and open because I knew it was going to be crazy. But I mean, I saw it within a few weeks. It's just like there's certain things. It's like the Joe Exotic thing. I like the Joe Exotic shit.

But if you didn't see that, like, what have you been doing with your life? Are you just that comfortable with missing out on what everyone is talking about? I mean, I can see the Tiger King because it's, took me a little while to be like, I want to watch this. When I seen the trailer, it was like, I was like, I don't know if I'm going to like this. But this shit is lit. I was like, oh, I got to watch it then. But Tiger King for us, whites is pretty much like Black Panther for y'all.

No, it's not. No, it is not. Why was you even say that? Listen, if you, that's what you stand behind? Yes. No, it is not. Giant cats, methamphetamines, gay sex. These are basically the tenants of white supremacy.

No, bro. We don't have a lot of black superheroes. You feel? No, that's what? But we didn't either in the same. And then we got Joe Exotic. I think every superhero is white pretty much. A large percentage.

What about Storm? If you want to make a good movie about a person of color superhero, boom, we go storm in the mix. We got Storm. We got Black Panther. We got Blade. We got Miles Morales now. The Black and Hispanic Spider-Man, which is dope.

I'm almost completely cut off from superhero movies. Black Panthers is like one of the only ones I've ever seen in recent years. I usually ended up hitting the Batman ones, but I'm totally cut off from the Marvel world. Joker, isn't that Marvel? No, that was Batman universe. That's D.C. But Joker was amazing, though. I was always a D.C. guy, even as a kid.

I don't know. I mean, I liked Spider-Man. I liked X-Men, but I was Superman, Batman. That just really... You see, I got a Joker tattered on my arm. That's all I mean. Which one? You got Heath Ledger on your hand?

Yeah, Heath Ledger. That's the best one ever. That's how you knew that you were supposed to be a poker player because you fuck with the Joker card, bro. I mean, I guess. I tried to learn poker from you and Josh, and... I'm going to keep working on it with you. I just want to win one in the tournament and retire.

tire. Good luck. You gotta get really, really good if you want to win all the time. I just want to win like an $80,000 tournament. Just get on after that. I told him that I almost won a tournament that was $80,000 for first place and he's been gaked ever since. That's it. That's all I want to do it. What about the times when like you would have to play like four tournaments at once and like piss in a jar? I play 12 usually whenever possible. Yeah. 12 at a time. You still piss in jars? No, because you want what they do now is because I play these big tournaments. They just play like cash games on the tournaments. There's a five-minute break every hour that you can just do whatever. So I,

all like run into the house, get a little snack, kiss my girlfriend, rub the belly, play with the cat for 30 seconds, urinate, back out of the table. So I'm like a functioning human for like five minutes out of the hour and usually I'm session in for like 12 hours. Nobody wants to hear me talk about poker. They want to talk about the fact they were a half hour or late. I'm sorry. Sorry, guys.

Just blame it on me. Blame it on the black guy. 80 didn't understand the gravity of the situation. We didn't really brief him. We didn't give that much time to know that we were going to be doing this. The fact that I even came today. I appreciate it. Come on, man.

Yeah, it's because usually you don't know, like, we're very firm on, like, the six. And if you don't come by six, then, like, they start without you. Because when we do the news in the morning, we meet up at 10. But if he gets there at 10.15, it's whatever. It's still just sitting there. Oh, I've been on time a lot lately. You've been pretty good. Yeah.

I've been real good. The times I do with AD, there were times where he got there before me. See, sometimes he shows up on Skid Row time where he hasn't even slept or shower or anything. It's called being fashionably late. No, but he shows up, like, fully, like, you know. I'm not eyes open. He stinks like alcohol. He's like he was just turning up until 9 in the morning.

You go straight from there to, but I mean, hey, I will take a functioning alcoholic like that any day. I'm dedicated. Yeah. Over somebody who's going to like go out party like crazy and then just not show up. I don't respect that. I hate people like that. Wait, what is this shirt?

The 98 degree shirt. If anything, I'm kind of embarrassed because I've worn it so many times. It also looks. And you're talking about me. It looks a little bit. I don't know if the shirt is really worn out, but it kind of looks like blackface. Black? It does kind of look like you.

Also, this looks like Joe Rogan to me. And the other guy looks like Eminem. I've never seen you wear like a vintage band tea. I got this round two a couple years ago and for some reason I just keep wearing it over and over and over. Interesting. I want to also mention that this podcast is sponsored by Fashion Nova. Everybody head on over to FashionOva.com and

buy some stuff. They're so great. They take such good care of us over here at the No Jumper show. And I'm wearing some Fashion Nova jeans right now. So, feeling pretty good. I've been spending some time looking at the Instagram accounts of some major babes that are doing Fashion Over promotion as well. So I've just got Fashion Over on the brain. I just wanted to take a second to shout them out. Shout the Fashion Over.

Sicko. It's not Sicko Cartel. So you're not even Connor drip supporter? No. No. We'll just leave it at that. Yeah, leave it at that. Yeah.

So that's good. But anyway, we are in here. AD, how was your weekend? Let's just throw it to you first. Oh, man. I was just partying like crazy. I was turked up. Do you get hangovers?

Nah, I only get hangovers when I like mix on my alcohol. But I usually stick to my tequila. Yeah, brown tequila. You know what I'm saying? Some anay-ho. Some repasado. Get it cracking. That's pretty amazing.

You have bear genetics that you don't get hung over. You always call me a fucking bear, bro. Yeah, but I just, there's something. That's just like a metaphor for the fact that you don't seem really like human in comparison to me. Why? Because if I went out and drank as much as you drank, I would not feel good the next day. Well, I actually cut my, since I've been training, I cut my lips.

and take off for like 50%. Really? Yeah. Because when you're drinking and then you go in there and do the moitai shit right after, is it brutal when you were drinking on night? Terrible. It's so much harder, right? What's cut by 50% like a handle? Like, I just 50%, so instead of doing it six, seven days a week,

I'm like two days a week now. I try to do the weekends. But yet today, like I trained and I was like extremely tired. Yeah. You know the crazy thing about him though is he's never done coke? Never done any uppers at all. So he's out there drinking. I thought you did Molly before.

Molly and ecstasy I tried that before, but yeah. But like a lot or a little bit? What do you mean? I did Molly for like a little while. Oh, so you had a little phase? I had a little phase. Ooh, I want to hear about this phase. And I had two ecstasy.

I had two, three, no, I had ecstasy like three times. And I blacked out every time. And you were just fucking like a bandit or no? I don't know what I did. I was out. No clue. One time I woke up in a hotel. Just a random hotel?

No, I wasn't drinking. The homies told me they was like, you were so fucked up. We just got to a hotel left you in here. That doesn't compete with me. I thought I got raped for like no bullshit. You wake up in a hotel room under the covers like I was like what the fuck happened? Did your booty hole hurt? No, Cough.

Come on, man. Don't play me like that. No, I just want to check. Don't say that, Cah. No, I don't want to put that out there into the universe. Like that might have been really happened, but I'm just saying. No, I'm just saying, chill out, Cud. I don't think that was ecstasy.

I've never blacked out on ecstasy. It was these little monkey pills, bro. It was our. A monkey gave him to you? No, it was a monkey pill. I never got like a monkey imprint. It had a monkey one hand right there. The other one was like this.

And that motherfucker did a job. Oh, I woke up under the covers. I had text like 30 girls. I love you. I woke up to a lot of hard eyes, all type of shit. Wow. Yeah. Damn, you were in your feelings.

Yes, I was. Oh, man, I used to have nights like that where you would just be so fucked up and so horny that you'd be hitting up every girl in your phone. And in the morning, you'd be looking through your phone just like, oh, no. I'm one of them guys, though. Like I get, if I get super, super drunk, I may text somebody else thinking about it. I'd be like, bitch. I feel like they need to make like a, like some kind of lock for like when you're too fucked up where like you can't send text to certain people.

Oh, I would love that. Something like that, you know. No, but I would probably flip the fuck out and break my phone. Or like lock your Instagram so you can't post something like stupid on your story. Right. No, the worst thing. You ever do Zanz? No.

When you wake up after a Zan night and you are looking at a whole conversation and it's Clearly somebody that you met throughout the prior night and you have no fucking clue. And you're reading the text trying to figure out what happened and you're talking to her like, oh, like, sorry. Like this happened to me at one part. It was just like, sorry, I kissed you in the bar like that. I didn't know like blah blah, blah. Like it was just like reading a whole story from your life that you don't remember at all. And then you don't even save the number.

So you're like, who the fuck is? I don't even know. and then you're like who's this and that's like the most offensive thing in the world you can't really do that at that point I know how do you get someone's name without asking them what's your name get somebody's name

yeah there's gotta be a lot of little tricks it's so difficult it's got to be mad to me y'all I need to make a real personal phone call right now what is it okay it's serious serious done that's cool we can talk about some white people shit

where you're going please white people should you didn't even look at his phone before he announced that so it must be some he can hear it blowing up in his phone. I mean, AD is really in these streets. We got to respect whatever it is.

Maybe it has something to do with the fire. The fire? I doubt it. I think they're going to go rescue someone. It's probably something to do with it. I mean, he just occasionally will just end up on a phone call that you'll just be hearing it and you'll just be like, oh wow. So this guy's really out there in the field, eh?

Okay. Yeah, the, um, his like uncle or whoever that was here. Oh, a pun. That you were like taking the pictures with. I was like, Crip lives matter. No. Oh, you're talking about, um, DJ suicide. Or no, actually.

No, no, no. Pwn was the one that was here when you were here. I can't remember who, but he had, he had his name on his car. And I was like, oh, yeah, he's definitely very legit. AD definitely is the type to hang with people who have, like, vans with themselves on the outside of the van. Who, like, Dusto Dub? He did, too. He got a cartoon version of himself.

At least with Dubbs, it's funny because it's, like, he's created, like, a cartoon, like, lean drinking alter ego for himself. Because that has to do with his brand. I don't want to blow his fucking, uh, space. or blow a spot or whatever the terminology might be. But Dusto Dove is not, he figured out that drink and lean every day was not the move. I thought he hasn't been drinking. I thought he kicked the cup like a while back. He has kicked the cup.

But you know, he's still out here selling cup merchandise and lean merchandise and stuff. But at a certain point. Let's not what's it called be cops right now. I don't want to be a cup. I'll be a cup. He don't really drink a lean like that. And I'm just saying that because I know there's a lot of kids out there that like see all the lean stuff. They think it's so tight.

Oh, I want to be a lean drinker. I want to live my life in a fucking comb. I want to melt into the couch every night. I want to spend $300 on lean just so I can fall asleep. It's not a good long-term plan. And maybe it's better that it's becoming more expensive. I heard it's like $150 a line right now. $150 a line.

I don't know about that, but it is stupid expensive for sure. You would have to be a real junkie to want to make that a big part of your life at this point. Yeah, or just really rich. Or really rich. Yeah, I guess that's part of it too. Maybe that's what the rappers are getting by on, you know? Yeah, right. How was your weekend?

Pretty good. I said, my mom, my aunt are visiting, and then I DJed the Roots Picnic pre-party for their virtual festival. So it was a virtual DJing spot. Virtual festival and I did the pre-party on my Instagram Live and Twitch. And I got kicked off of my Instagram Live immediately, like three fucking times. For copyright? Yeah, I'm guessing for copyright for music stuff. And I'm just like looking at D. Nice who has been fucking on Instagram Live for five hours straight, not kicked off at all.

I'm like... Yeah, how does he get away with it? I don't know. He's best friends with Zuckerberg. I don't know what's going on. But he is amazing. And he just flies under the radar. And I just get kicked off like that.

That's crazy. It's a whole new world. I think I did get, I got hit for a song that I think it was on my story or it was, it was, you can't even post on your story anymore? I don't know. But, okay,

we posted, there was like a little dirt clip of, just like a clip promoting the song or music video or whatever. And we posted it. Boom. Like, this is not viewable in any fucking country. blah, blah, blah.

And then I go to look at academics' page. He has the same exact clip posted, and his seemed totally fine, hundreds of thousands of views. So I really don't know exactly what went on there because I noticed that there was like a dispute button, and I don't know if academics just disputed it immediately and it just immediately went through. Or because on YouTube, if you dispute

and then they basically say that you're not the winner of the dispute, it could have a negative ramification on your account. Well, I mean, I don't know if you can divulge in this, but was it a paid post from dollars? Just a little dark snow. Maybe it was paid to academics and they got it cleared. I don't know how clearing works for Instagram. He might have got paid for it.

So that might have been a concern or he might just have posted so many songs that he like knows how the game goes better than I do. I mean, if it's the same clip, I don't see why yours would get taken down his wouldn't. I mean, maybe he hit the dispute button. That's the main thing I could think of right now because it would make sense to me if you're universal music or whatever that you are basically just sitting there watching the disputes because it's like you could you could have a song go up and it's just pure promotion

but why would they ever not want a song being promoted you know like why would you ever not want 60 seconds of a song to be playable on instagram live and also why does that not count to the charts because it seems like it has to at some point right yeah no it makes sense it does the whole DMCA especially for promoting songs and then them taking it down just makes absolutely no sense because you're literally just making it bigger by playing it and even even like with DJ sets on Twitch. Or people just playing the song while they're streaming games and shit. They're taking all that shit down too.

And I'm like, you're helping the artists out right now. And just think about the jug that is going on here because like your song could be on a TikTok that has 20 million plays. And I'm pretty sure those plays don't count to your song like charting or whatever because it's free, I guess. And it makes sense to me that like your music video streaming on YouTube isn't going to count as much as somebody listening to that song on iTunes or Spotify.

Why, though? Because they're paid services. So it just like, it seems that there's more intent to interact with the song. Whereas, like, on YouTube, it's, I mean, it kind of makes sense to me because, you know, in some way the billboard chart should reflect the amount of money that the artist is taking in from the song. But the thing is, is that, like, your song going super crazy on TikTok is only really beneficial to your song making money or charting high if that TikTok following then transfers over to Spotify and Apple and YouTube and stuff. So doesn't it make sense? that at some point

watching, listening to a song for 30 seconds on TikTok should at least count as something towards the popularity of that song. So how long are TikTok videos, 30 seconds you said? They can be up to 60 seconds. Because, I mean, what's the like amount of time you have to listen to a song for it to be counted as one stream?

I don't know, that's a really good point. And also, you know, on TikTok or, but on Instagram you could listen to the entire song. It's only a matter of time, though, because even if you can't do that right now, but you definitely will be able to in the future, I think. I think so because if they're just trying to count, like,

selling a shirt as like a whole, I mean, it makes sense as a bundle, but like they're skewing all the little, like, rules for counting for numbers. And I think TikTok and like streaming in different platforms that aren't Spotify and YouTube should count. Yeah. I mean,

I want to leave most of the really good topics till Mr. AD gets back off of charge of call. But what are you going to say? Super interesting talking about YouTube and music. videos and counting and stuff like that. After the um six nine and and and this is what I was going to bring up. I keep seeing more and more fucking paid music video promotion even like my mom watches YouTube all day right and you don't get ads because you have YouTube pro I get ads my mom get my mom gets that and she watches only like Korean content and like she's getting like

she's getting told to watch trolls even now no no no not trolls just other random music video so I don't know if people are seeing like the news about trolls. and then now they're like looking into like YouTube paid promotion. It's been a big thing for a while. I never really like got to the point of seeing that much of it. Maybe I should start. I'm seeing a lot of it now. It's like it's crazy.

I'm seeing like a SoundCloud rapper being like promoted on my mom's like Korean news YouTube video. But I can barely use YouTube unless I'm logged in on the No Jumber account because when I'm logged in on it as Adam 22, it's showing me stuff that I haven't like on the no Jumber account it knows everything that I've watched. So it's like there's all these poker streamers I'll watch right and I'm not even subscribed to most of them But it will tell me immediately as soon as they put a fucking video out because it'll just pop to the top of my my shit You know whereas like like net leon I got a new Netflix account It's just shoving shit we already seen into our face a million fucking times because it doesn't know that we already watched all that shit

I feel like they still shoved the same shit down even if you watched it really on Netflix I feel like a lot of times I watch that shit and then just goes away forever I see it I scroll down and And I see the trending and everything. Really? Annoying. That's interesting. Yeah. Well, the news that came out a couple of days ago is that 6-9,

and this is a good thing to talk about while AD isn't here since he's got so much hate in his heart for 6-9 that he can barely even hold a game. He will literally sit here and say, I am going to kill Daniel Hernandez. And then boom, we get kicked off YouTube for heat speech or whatever. But the news came out that, yes, he did hit number one. But that song experienced the absolute biggest drop in the history of the billboard charts. I think it went from number one to number 37. Because, you know, it was so blatantly inflated through merch sales and everything.

And now that song is like basically completely. No one is streaming and listening to it anymore. Yeah. I mean, nobody was probably really streaming or listening to it all that much in the first place. I think without playlisting, without radio, it's really hard to make a song blow up. But I think that like, yes, he does have his fans. But I think outside of those fans, like it's almost nobody wants to hear from him right now. Yeah.

I mean, you need the big fucking machine behind you to be. able to stay number one. You can't just sell a bunch of merch and then think that you're going to stay there. That is one thing that I keep hearing anytime I have a conversation with people about the music business is that basically if you don't have the labels supporting the content, having, you know, big name artists and shit doesn't even really matter that much because there's just the push of the label is so massive, which is like kind of hard for me to even comprehend. But I mean, and that makes me one or two. Like when I was watching the block boy, B No Jumper song that came out through Atlantic would take it or whatever.

I've never seen a video on the No Jumper channel get likes and comments and views like that ever. And it's still to this day is like our biggest song or whatever on the platform. I mean, needless to say, I'm skeptical about the reality of those numbers because I've just never seen anything like that. Yeah, it was a good song. Video questionable. And blah. A song was good. It was not a huge failure of the video.

Blog Boy take it. I mean, they were huge at the time. It's not going to really take them much convincing to get people to listen to it. But still, I don't know. It just always kind of blew my mind and looked a little bit fishy to me. You ever ask?

About like the, I mean, it's just kind of like implied. It's kind of like built in that like we're putting a lot of money behind the song. It's like, well, what does that mean? No, but like there's a lot of stuff that's like on the table that they do. like they straight up farm the song out to like huge meme farms like of meme pages and stuff like there'll be one guy who owns like a hundred meme pages and that's just like one guy they cut him a

check for a couple thousand and then all of a sudden the song is the background on a million different clips and like they do that now just meme pages now but they do it with TikTok girls like yeah i've seen that i'll be like scrolling through addison ray's uh TikTok looking at different videos and at a certain point it's like there's absolutely no way that these songs are being chosen based on like what you're into or whatever like why am i watching you do like four fucking dance videos to the same song in the course of like a couple weeks or whatever like they're absolutely getting big ass checks from labels for that shit 100% and have you noticed that um the ticot dances all are the same dance really they just cycle the same moves and they just have a big ass smile

on their face doing the same thing i hate the smile i hate the permanent smile why are they so happy oh my god i watched uh shout out to hessner ray i'm sure she's a great girl but i watch to do like a genius interview and it's so weird how she just smiles huge talks immediately goes to back to the huge I just cannot imagine sitting around with a huge like it just can't be real and then like if you actually watch her doing the dances and stuff it's kind of weird because yeah that's a similar conclusion I can't do is like they don't want to make the dance as complicated or hard because then kids aren't going to do them and repost themselves on TikTok doing it so they make the dance is pretty simple so then all the dances basically end up being exactly the same and like

The TikTok dances that are more involved, like sometimes I'll click on a page and it'll be somebody danced and they're ass, I'm way more engaged watching that. You can't copy it. You can't copy it. Nobody's going to be able to learn the dance. You know what? I feel like these new TikTokers are like the new American version of like K-pop stars. Because like they're just like these manufactured perfect beings except, I mean, doing the same thing, pushing music. But the thing, the weird thing about TikTok is the conclusions that it will force you to draw about the world around you.

because there's been times where I've been looking at TikTok and thinking like, wow, like, when I was a kid, we all wanted to be bad. Like, we all wanted to, like, you know, ride bikes or skateboard do sort of like grimy things or like, you know, we thought it was cool to like sell drugs or like be a criminal and do graffiti, you do all this bad stuff. And then you look at TikTok and you're like, all these kids just want to dance and smile and be happy and be mister. That's not a bad thing.

No, no, it's totally fun. But I don't think that's reality. The reality is is that TikTok takes all the good positive shit. And it won't show you anything bad because on TikTok, there's absolutely no smoking, no guns, no fireworks. You will get your shit deleted for fireworks. You will get your shit deleted for swearing. You can barely even like people get their videos deleted for saying the N word. People get videos like anything edgy is either getting taken off the platform or at the very least not being promoted.

So when you're looking through that 4U tab, it is showing you a very, very curated. But that's what TikTok is. It's more about the 4U tab than the following tab. And that version of reality that they're showing you is so distorted because it basically removes all the shit that all the young people I know are doing. Like when I look through Instagram, when I'm looking through my stories, it's like a lot of my friends like, you know, basically going around trapping like for lack of a better word. Like, you know, they're just basically out like smoking, pulling guns out. They got bitches around. Whatever.

Like all kinds of shit that just is not going to fly on TikTok. So it's like that version of reality though is very, very palatable to a lot of people. And it's the same thing in the K-pop thing. Except that, you know, Korean society, I guess, is really kind of so controlled that it's more like the K-pop people are kind of a reflection of the actual country. I wouldn't say that so much. No? Yeah, I think that's a reach. Right.

But I was doing some research on TikTok and I saw that they don't promote people that are ugly. Yes. No, that's part of it too. They want every, when you go to that for Utah, they want people that look like they got money, and they want people who are not fucking ugly. And that, again, like, it's presenting you. It's the same logic as like when you work in the, there was all those lawsuits against Abercrombie and Fitch. Because there's like fat people going in there trying to get jobs. And they know that if you walk into Abercrombie and Fitch, part of the whole deal is that it's hot people selling you the clothes.

Hot, half naked people. Hot half naked. That was, I probably said this on here before. That was one of the most mind-blowing things in my life is when I had no idea this existed. I'm walking through New York City because the Abercrombie back in National New Hampshire did not have any hot half-naked models but I'm walking by Abercrombie and I look in

and I just see a dude like oiled up huge chest abs everything and he's just sort of standing there with his unbuttoned Abercrombie sherry and then there's a girl right next to him and she's got like a bikini top and she's little like cut off shorts and shit this is probably like 2005

and I'm just mind blown like what the fuck They just stand here at the front of the store. Are you kidding me? No, the crazy thing was when I would go at the mall and they have those guys or like two of them and then like just a bunch of like suburban moms rushing up to them like taking pictures. Really? Like yeah, that was weird. That was a weird time in my childhood.

That's so funny that you could just be a hot dude and that's enough for people to take photos with you. I mean, I feel like that's celebrity, right? You just have to be hot. But that celebrity before real celebrity, like I used to have people take pictures with me because of the tattoos, which was like mind blowing to me. Like, are you fucking serious? Did they take pictures of you when you went to China? Oh, yeah. They were a decent amount, too.

But then one time I was watching a Pokemon Go vlog, and there's this Pokemon Govlogger named Pokemon Master Holly, and I just see, like, people in the background of the video, like, taking mad photos with her, and it's like, it's because she has blue hair. Like, they have no idea she is, but they're seeing, like, oh, an American woman with blue hair, like, that's enough. Where? I think she was in China.

Or she was somewhere in Asia. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's getting a little bit better now because, like, more foreigners are moving there. But I know that like 10 years ago, probably when you went, if you were white, like they thought you were like famous, rich. I remember one time I walked into a corner store in China with catfish, who we talked about last time.

And he just. I don't know if I like him. Right. All right catfish. Catfish. Um, he fucking, we walk in there. And as we're paying for stuff, he goes, I just want you to look at everyone when you walk out because there was like, like, like, picnic tables, like 30.

fucking Chinese people sitting out there. And when I walked out, every single one of them was staring at me. And this was like night one. And I'm like, what the fuck are they looking at? Like, explain. And he's like, he's like, dude, they've never seen, they never see white people in this area because we weren't in like the super nice cosmopolitan area either because we were staying in like a BMX hostel and like the real shit.

And, yeah, like they never see white people. They never see tattoos. They never see really tall people. So he's like, basically, you're like the biggest. freak of nature that they could possibly see here and that's why they're all staring at you. And let me ask you this. Do they do this in Korea? The thing that

blew my mind the most about China was that the random little like squares or parks. Oh, they have the morning exercise? No, I'm talking about the dancing. Like at night on like any given night. Oh, yeah, yeah. There would be dozens of Korean women just

in the park dancing with... Korean? Or Chinese? Chinese women just dancing with other men. And I remember like I said to then they're grown too like then they're 30s 40s whatever and I said to fucking my friend Kane who was the person I was staying with there I said what what is this like why like what are they doing like why are they dancing here and he's like well even though they are older they still need to have sex and I'm like what the fuck does that have to do with them dancing in the party

he's like well they need to meet people like this is how the older people meet I'm like okay this that actually does make sense to me okay is that your Chinese impression that's my cane wang impersonation. Kane wang. I don't know if I like that. I was a cane wing. I actually just experienced that for the first time I saw that happened when I was in China in December and I asked my Chinese friend and he was telling me like it's like

their version of going to the club and like and having exercise and I don't know, a community thing. I like fell in love with the visual of just seeing all these like 40 year old women and men just dancing in the park. It's so cute. It's so adorable. It's so nice. There's just nothing you could see about it that would make you have any sort of negative reaction,

which is absolutely not what I would say about like the club in L.A. Like picture the club in L.A. And think of that as a replacement for this. And I just want to say also about Kane Wang as long as I'm mentioning him that we did a podcast with, I think, Mike Hoder. And in the middle of it is a BMX guy. In the middle of it, Kane Wang is sitting on the stairs and he takes a dab. and he's from China, so his weed tolerance is not exactly super high. And in the middle of the podcast, because of the dab, he runs to the bathroom and pukes his

fucking guts out, and you can hear it in the background of the podcast. It's amazing. It was so good. And also, of note, with him, too, he came to America. It was like a BMX duty. He's like a big deal in the Chinese BMX scene. He's like the guy sort of like holds there in the Shanghai BMX scene. He sort of like holds it together.

And he came out because he wanted to get on Tinder and he thought he was going to probably find an American bride out here. He gets out here. He gets out here the week that they start making you pay for Tinder. If you want more swipes. He's like, fuck that. I'm like, bro, you just came from China. It's $10 for Tinder.

You just spent like $1,000 on the flight here. He's like, no, fuck that. Next day, totally unrelated. He goes to the fucking, like, I feel horrible laughing at this. He goes to, like, do some sightseeing, and they just parked their car on the side of the road with all their suitcases in it. Oh, God.

And obviously they are relieved of all their possessions by like everything they own. Poor guy. Jacked. Welcome to L.A. And I was just like, they're telling me about it. And they're like surprise. And I'm like, you like went to this area and you left all your shit. You left your suitcases.

No, it wasn't. But it was still in Hollywood. It's still like you just cannot have suitcases in the back of your fucking car in a nice looking rental car in L.A. I'm sorry. You can't even have your phone charger out. No, yeah. I mean. Oh, poor Kaine.

He didn't even find a bride out here. I don't think so. I wonder if he actually ended up paying for the Tinder or if he has found love through other means. You don't talk to him anymore? Not like that, not about his love life. Yeah, I don't know about China, but I know like in Japan, it's a thing that like you don't steal from people at all. So like I literally left like my purse. Like my, my friends, he, okay, wow. Next time you go to Tokyo, you have to go to this place called burlesque Tokyo, which is like this weird like almost strip club place where they do like these weird performances. And these girls are wearing like bikinis and like lingerie, but they like do these crazy

dances. And I don't know. It's insane. But apparently I couldn't take like my backpack and my suitcase, which I had at the time. So I left out the front door and my friend's like, you'll be fine. You'll be fine. I'm like, no, I won't. Right.

And so I kept checking on it every 10 minutes. No one took it. That was my. I was like, what? My experience being in China was like, holy fuck. Like how is nobody paying attention to me? I could be stealing everything because I had. I thought everyone was paying attention to you.

Oh, yeah. like that but like you know when you're in the store or whatever and you're just used to some degree of security when you're in like a store there's people looking at you there's cameras etc and like as an american i'll just be like looking around like oh fuck there's no security there's no and the only reason i was even thinking it because even like 10 years ago i was past the like shoplifting from the store of period in my life but i have friends who are absolutely not and there's like a BMX team that went to china like right before us and we were having a conversation of them and they were just like we stole every

thing. They were like, we were just shoplifting fucking everything. And also everywhere you would go, you would see these fools names because these were graffiti too. And they would just be writing their names fucking everywhere. There's like no graffiti in Shanghai from my experience. Like just very, very little

graffiti. So it just stood out so much that we're seeing our friend's names everywhere we went. What was that about? Are you okay? I'll tell you have to words. I thought you weren't coming back. Also, Housephone is not arrested for people that saying free house phone. No, yeah. He's not arrested. He's right here. Street shit.

I'm back, though. But that was street shit. I can't wait to hear about it. Oh, you're going to love it. I'm going to call the cops up right after I listen. No, I got all the deeds. You're going to love it. I promise you.

Really? It's one of those. It's one of those. Yeah. God damn. Is everyone okay? A.D. is a connection. Oh, yeah.

So the streets. All right. Well, we're saving all the topics. Yeah. We were just talking about Asia at length for 35 minutes. I love Asia. Asia. Who's Asia?

The continent. Oh. I was like. I mean, there are a lot of women named Asia. Oh yeah. My little sister name is Asia. I was like, Asia, who? Right. There's probably more, uh, more women named Asia than people in the continent of Asia. Yeah. Definitely. No. Okay. Pretty big continent. You might be right. China has like fucking three billion. Hey, I want to ask you this though before. I don't even know if we're going to do this topic first. No, we definitely are. But I did want to ask you, is your daughter into like the makeup community. Is she watching that shit on YouTube? Like, no, my baby mama is a makeup artist though. Oh, really? Yeah. So it's probably only a matter of time. Like celebrity makeup. artist. Really? So, but what is she what does your daughter watch on YouTube, if anything? What's she interested in it? My daughter watched people playing

Roblox on YouTube and she and she fucking watches this fucking YouTube couple. I don't know why. Ace family. It's a black guy and he got like a, uh, is him, it's like a dark skin guy and he got like a light skin girlfriend and she watches them all the time. They got millions of subscribers.

That can't be the ace family, right? I don't know. He's not very dark skin. And she's straight up white. But I, but like my daughter like literally. I don't know. daughter literally like watches them 24-7 now oh i'd love to know who they are now i'm gonna find out there's a lot of pop in youtube there are couples and stuff my girls are watching mr kate non-stop you know that is they're like an interior design couple so they did jeffrey's house yes they're a couple but they also just will like pull up your crib and just redesign your whole house and they're actually

do amazing job from what i can tell not really paying attention at all while she watches it um okay so our first topic that we want to talk about first let's let's just mention this okay Coronavirus. Yeah. It's real. It's back. It's never left. It's back and better than ever.

Barely even left. When you look at the deaths in America, the number of cases in America, it's astounding. We have done arguably the worst job of containing this virus. Thanks largely to our president. President Trump has sort of led us into this experience. And yeah, it's looking like definitely the summer's canceled and quite likely like the next year. I don't think we're going to be going to a rolling loud for like a year at least. Yeah.

You know the crazy thing about the corona shit is, is like now, it's like, why did you guys open up in the first place if we was going to do this again? You know what I'm saying? Because people were so mad about not having a job and they're writing. Now you're really not going to have a job. It's worse than it was. I think, yeah. And the clubs only opened a week. I went to three clubs and I'm mad. I got to go sit back home again now. Wait, where? In the O.C.? No, Hollywood opened. They did? They did. But it sucks, right? Because they're at like 40% occupancy. It was still cracking. It was still alright though? I mean, it was cool.

What club did you go to? It was a dairy year on Friday. Did you shake your dairy? No. Shake your day year. They're closing the beaches for 4th of July. That's really sucks because it's going to be 87 this weekend. The entire beach.

All of the LA beaches. What are you doing Saturday? Where? Was it 4th of July? Yeah. I'm in the hood. I thought you were doing the, I thought you were doing the donations. We're doing that Friday.

Let's throw that out there for the people who don't know. Camgirl. be streaming after this, I assume. Yes. And me and AD have been streaming every Saturday night, but we're actually going to be doing it this Friday night. So if you want to get your music heard, I think we're actually going on early, too. We get online like three or four.

And we get high as fuck. We get so high. Yeah, we do dabs. We do dabs. I drunk a whole thing of whiskey. I had, what, four beers, and me and Adams smoke like four splits. Yeah. And probably... How are you guys still up? I'm used to it.

We get pretty slumped. But then also, Lavelle is coming Friday and Lavel is a fat doink roller of a man so he's going to definitely be Vail Vail that's my guy yeah yeah yeah so he wants you guys to be best friends so bad we just went running oh yeah yeah yeah he just went to the bar see that's the best thing that could possibly happen is you bring your homies together and especially like he's like me though he wants to beat niggas up he wants to half one get cracking his come on you're kind of like a more a mature adult stage in your life and he's still a little bit like more like with the fuck shit he's really in in the hood stuff.

So I'm happy to bring him and make you friends with him because I feel like you could help him to like elevate his situation. The white people pay me now. And the white people is at him. Yes. See? The white person almost. I don't have to act like this.

You feel me? Long as my bills are paying? You're out there on the phone. Issuing murders. No, I didn't issue no murder. But you don't hear it. This is crazy. I'm ready for it. No, but yeah, Level, he was supposed to come the other day.

But, I mean, he's got a little hustle. He's been out in the streets. It's not really that illegal. It involves fireworks. but he's out here Everybody in the hood is selling fireworks right now And actually Vell got a new Instagram So shut up fuck Vell but it's FUCC

Bell but it's FUCC If you go to who I follow And search FUCC then the first one came up What happened to it? I don't know It might have been something firework related I feel like you tried so hard to help him Get his numbers up Oh yeah yeah he got up to like 12K

He was living life You know I think it is It's a new scam there You see a new scam somebody will DM you like Oh look what I did with your picture And if you click on that shit They can get your information If Vell fell for that, he probably wouldn't admit it.

So that kind of makes sense. Well, they tried to get me every day. Every day? At least 10, 50 times a day. I'm surprised you ain't go for it yet. I ain't going to go for that. Man, if you watch 90-day fiancé and you see all these people falling in love, there's a chick, a grown-ass black woman on 90-day fiancé who is so in love with a blatant Nigerian scammer

who is pretending to be this, like, huge chiseled, like, muscle dude from England. But, like, you hear him on the phone, and it's so clearly a Nigerian dude. the phone numbers traced back to Nigeria she hired a private investigator to look into it he's like this is a Nigerian scammer she still won't believe it it's fucking amazing anyway I think that might be who's getting in your house

I would definitely do that for the TV pretend to get tricked by a Nigerian scammer I'll be on 90 day fiance I'll be on 90th I would love to see you on there that would be so amazing oh if I was single oh my God I would love that I think like when people see me on TV not like some reality shit

I'm just going to break the fucking internet because I don't have no fucking filter. Y'all know me. Would you be on love and hip-hop? I am not industry, nigga. You industry. We're in the streets. I'm in the streets.

You're friends with those rappers. You're keeping their secrets. You're fucking, you're out here in the field. I mean, I got the, that's like somebody asked me about you because I can't tell my nigga Adam's secrets. But if you had no filter, then you would really air shit out. What? No filter don't mean that.

I'm going to keep it G at the end of the day. Right. You feel me? That's all I'm saying. But I don't give a fuck what somebody thinks about what I say. So you got people hitting you up like Adam. too ain't shit how you cool they tell me that show the time I tell them fuck you bitch pull up really

yeah what you're talking about random commentators or like real life people not real life people I feel like in real life I get a lot of love then on the internet I get a lot of hate yeah people people DM me they'd be like fuck at them they be like oh you're a coon now shit like that look at the coons yeah look at the coons

won't you look at the coons there's this video that he loves I love it the black Trump supporters look at the coons we just look at the coons I'm uncomfortable with it. For the record, Adam does not share my humor. No, it's just sometimes a little...

There's just something about just like calling all black people who are like voted for a Republican. Like, and listen, I'm so anti-Trump that I can kind of fucks with it. But I don't know. There's like certain things that like if I let you say it on camera, then it's almost like I'm saying it. And for me, like me calling someone that is mega offensive, right? You can't say that.

I can say it though. So if you have a mega hat and you're a nigger, you are fucking coon in my eyes. and if I see you wearing it. They stop me all the time because they always say I talk about violence. YouTube is a lot more open. You can just air it out.

Well, I'm going to snatch your MAGA hat on. I'm going to slap the shit out of you probably. To be honest. That's a lot less violent than I thought you were going to get. They always talk about it. They're violent. Like if you see the Snapchat show, there's a lot of stuff that they do not put on. But because AD can't help but basically be like talking about six times,

basically like, oh, he needs to die. Like they need to kill him. Like that's his actual opinion. And at some point, he will actually just say that, which you're a principled guy. Like you have rules that in your head you need to live by it. So I get it. I'm from the hood. Yeah.

You feel me? I actually gang bang. And part of that gang bang rules at the end of the day is if you snitch, you get stitches at the end of the day, right? Right. So if somebody, the hood that he was claiming, yes, they want to kill that nigger. And they should. If they be told on them. If I snitch on my homies, they're supposed to kill me.

They're supposed to. That's one thing I like about being around you is that you really help normalize death. They're like quite often. There'll be somebody who died or whatever. I'll be like shocked by it and you'll be like, well, this happened and this happens. Bro, I come from the hood. You're talking about I didn't been to 20, 30, 40 funerals in the last five, six years. Like you get numb to that shit.

But there's always consequences and there's always reasoning behind stuff like. You know what I'm saying? Now, I don't, right now, I'm cool. I don't like seeing my black brothers and sisters. my SA brothers and sisters killing each other, doing anything bad right now at the end of the day. Wow, you just made me realize LA needs a non-racist white gang.

Do we have that? Is there like, is that one of the thing? Y'all going to turn racist then. I don't think that's. You think we just switch it up? It could, though, right? You got to understand, like, racial tension right now is at an all-time high.

Between blacks and whites and Mexicans, between everybody? It's like, it's all over the place. And you know, you know, the crazy thing is, too, Like I'll be showing you guys stuff off camera and just like today I'll give you an example right There's a Mexican man right he was he was robbed and he was um he was robbed and he was beat up by two Black teens at the end of the day at longbeats right and me when I see stuff like that I let the Mexican community know I don't stand for that you feel me I don't fuck with that and I would do

whatever it takes to show that you feel me I used to have a Mexican roommate you know what I'm saying like I stayed with him for two three years a Mexican nigga help put me on that thing to No, no, but that was a little bit more than that. No, but you know, like keeping it G at the end of the day, like, you know. It was a little pump? No, my God. Okay. Okay. I support my brown brothers at the end of the day. You know what I'm saying? And with me having a platform, I got to shed my light on stuff like that. You know what I'm saying?

Hip hop news is cool and shit like that. But I'll be telling Adam like, hey, look, this is something that's happening. Josh, this is something that's happening. And they're getting it from a different perspective. You know what I mean? But I want to see, is there, has anybody like really documented? or covered the sort of race relations between blacks and Mexicans in LA because I haven't really seen any like articles about it or whatever and I feel like that issue deserves that kind of a real like investigative attention but it's it's so not easy it's so not easy to create like original reporting on that kind of thing because you have to really get down in the streets

and talk to people it's been like that like when I was growing up in middle school it was bad like it was bad I remember they had like a saying like they said oh I never forget I was in middle school they said if the Mexican mafia sees you anybody on the show street wearing a white t-shirt they was going to kill black people want it was like always like that white t-shirt yeah it was it was like serious like that in hood how you're going to claim a white t-shirt i can't understand claiming like a blue rag that's very specific but everybody got a white t-sore no but everybody predominantly black people used to wear white t-shirts white t-shirts white t-shirts were popular as hell oh hell you know what you're talking you said what year oh this is shit when was this

2004 2005 because i remember as a bmx rider you know we're all on the east coast we all think we're rhymy. We all got tight jeans, whatever. All of a sudden, we start seeing the BMX riders from East LA and shit, and every goddamn one of them had a white tee that's like pretty much down to their knees. And like, it's getting caught in the tires. So they'd all have like a little doo-doo looking stain on the back of their white teeth when they're out riding, which mind-blowing. The West Coast had this style and then the East Coast had this style.

And like sometimes, like, they would come to East Coast and they would look like they're from another fucking planet because they would dress so different. anyway um okay so basically uh race relationships are bad and we're all gonna die in a fire well no right now i feel like our black and brown brothers are standing together against the white people right now yeah all the karens in the world right now you know what's that what's that guy we've seen we seen we seen no uh with his wife that was with all the shits they had the they had the straps hey man but you would be doing the same thing they were doing if that was your crew because they were pulling up approaching on his house and shit but you got to understand the reason why are we doing it we're not just

protested for no reason. It's not like you were in the mayor's neighborhood that day. I mean, if I wasn't a mayor's neighborhood, I don't mean that you have a gun put out. But if people were creeping up on your house, that's the weird thing about that is like obviously that mental image or the photograph of this woman with their finger on the trigger

pointing at people and shit is crazy as fuck because anybody who knows anything about guns is that you do not point it at something that you're not about to shoot and you don't have your finger on the fucking trigger like that. That was so crazy. And they should have been arrested. And that would have been To me personally, if that would have been any other minority, they would have for sure

a rest of them. It would have gone to. It would have went left at the end of the day. And that's what we're talking about. But I mean, at the end of the day, I like seeing them defend their house, bro.

I don't know the details of nobody. Nobody is, nobody is trying to go. That's what they were running up on their house. Okay, look, they were peaceful protesting. Where's the evidence that shows that? Now, somebody walks in your house,

you should get cracking in. I would want to see the evidence. But, I mean, hey, if you're coming on my yard, I'm going to fucking shoot you. So, I mean, as you should. But at the end of the day, a lot of people are really showing their hate right now. Have the gun stores chilled out?

Like, can we actually- Hell no, there's lines everywhere. See, I've been fucking meaning to buy a new gun for a minute. And now I've been hearing these lines are all crazy and shit. Maybe I can just order one on Amazon or something, right? I don't know if you can order guns on Amazon. I don't got straps. I can just buy one on the street, right? You can buy on the street.

Okay. Maybe I'll just do that. No cereal, too. Anybody selling guns? I got you. All right. I'm just kidding. Officers.

I'm just kidding. Anyway, I want to talk about this. Last night. Academics versus Freddie Gibbs, which has been brewing for a little bit, absolutely exploded on the timeline. If you want to go to the No Jumber Instagram, you can read every single tweet that was sent for a period of time, although I'm pretty sure that there's a whole lot of new tweets. Basically, they're going to war. Academics, I think Freddie Gibbs basically started it out or like the most recent version of it,

because he actually said, I got 5,000 for any bad bits that'll say she fucked academics. Boom. It just went crazy from there. Academics hopped on his Twitch. and he was wilding. I've seen him drunk on Twitch multiple times before, but I've never seen him like this.

And he was like slurring his speech kind of. He was talking all crazy out the side of his mouth on some fucking murder shit. It was a totally different act. And he was definitely really unhappy with the Freddie Gibbs thing. But he also notably came for Ben Baller and basically said that Ben Baller is a scammer.

He did call Drake an idiot at one point for basically. I missed that part. I was looking, I saw you guys. say that in the text and I was looking for it and I did not want to watch like a two hour academic drunk video before we get into like opinions and stuff I just want to lay out a few things is that so there was that thing he said that ben ball is an idiot in a scammer and then he said that drake is an idiot for buying his chain from ben baller but basically you know Drake probably got hooked up because Drake is going to convince more people to do it whatever and then

he also this was this is a part that really really stood out and this is taking the six nine thing to another fucking level and I saw this Vlad I believe was the one who pointed this out is that they were talking about the fact that Freddie Gibbs got shot at in New York City, right? And, no, because academics called 6-9 while he was on stream. And he said, 2-6-9, like, you know who Freddie Gibbs is. And 6-9 said, oh, yeah, that's the one that Harve shot at. So he basically, because there was an incident in which Freddie Gibbs got shot at in New York City, and I have absolutely no idea why.

And I guess somehow Jim Jones came to be involved in it when Freddie Gibbs was saying, fuck you to everybody but basically 69 snitch on Harb who's already locked up for some bullshit that 6'9 stitch on him for and 619 then basically implicated Harb in another murder who knows what the cops know maybe the cops this ain't that much

of interest to him but it certainly might be because there's no reason just because he's locked up for shooting at somebody right now don't mean he can't get locked up for more murders so 69 saying that casually on FaceTime with act was like the most bugged out shit that I heard in a minute give us your thoughts and because also I just want to

throw it out there. Freddy Gibbs is now making merchandise with a picture of a telitubby the academic's face on it and on the back it says academics is the police. Well, you know you already know. Freddie Gibbs is a personal friend of mine. You feel me? Like I've been fucking with Gibbs for years. Gibbs is, he doesn't give a fuck what the industry thinks.

He says what he feels at the end of the day. That nigga really ain't got no filter at the end of the day. You know what I'm saying? But the thing that I didn't like, academics brought his kids into the shit. And you don't do that to no street nigga at the end of the day. You feel me? If you bring my kids into the situation, it's up for life with me.

I'm telling you that. If I ever see you, it's up there in any type of situation. But he didn't talk about my kids. You feel me? But yeah, that shit, that shit's fucked up, though, I don't like that. I don't like that shit. Yeah, that seems like a pretty bad strategic move from my perspective. Because at the end of the day, if you're academics...

That nigga was forming at the mouth. Academics, his whole business, his whole brand is based around his... Well, it's not entirely based around, but basically, you know, he has to function within the music industry. And if he doesn't want the kind of... Like, the problems that he had with Vic Mensa, Fine, because Vic Ments is not going to shoot you. And you can see Vic Ments and I come this kind of, he ain't going to do nothing. The problems that he now has with Freddie Gibbs, like what you're saying, I'm assuming

that Freddie Gibbs' attitude on it might be pretty close to yours and he probably has a lot of associates. I didn't talk to him yet. I didn't talk to him yet. But this is the thing when it come down to it. If you're going to be a blogger, right? If you're going to be a journalist at the end of the day and you're saying that you're not a street guy, you don't want no issues, you want to do nothing like that.

Then there's certain ways that you handle shit. You handle, you're handling it like you want real smoke with the nigger. you know what I'm saying and if like if that was me I'm gonna assume that you after me and I'm gonna get cracking with you soon as I see you So if that's not with the wavelength that you won you shouldn't do that in the first place Adam you do the show all the time Adam is he has fun he says what he says at the end of day But he does not try to be a tough guy in any type of capacity and Adam probably will fuck one of you niggas up to keep a G But you don't come across is that right No but I mean academics does like you know when you see the way he moves is that

I don't think anybody's catching academic slip because I ain't never seen anybody post a video of running into him somewhere. The president got smoked. Anybody can get smoke if it was up there. That was back in the day. I don't know if they really have like sniper level resources for academics. I don't know. But basically, all right, let's just put it this way.

I saw that Anthony Fantano had a poll up on his Twitter. It said who you're supporting in this, academics or Freddie. It was, I think, 95% Freddie Gibbs. And that is, you know, and let's be. be real. There's a lot more people who watch academics as videos and follow academics on Instagram than listen to the new Freddie Gibbs tape.

But at the end of the day, Freddy Gibbs is far. It is fire. I also want to go stream Alfredo. This is a great project. But at the end of the day, if you're a musician and you're making music that people love versus being like a blogger or like me or whatever, like same thing with me. I know there's a lot of people who follow

my shit. I got probably, I don't know if I have more followers than Freddy Gibbs, but we, you know, I have a lot followers, whatever. If I get into a beef with Freddy Gibbs, it's not going to go that good for me. Because at the end of the day, he as an artist, you get to be uncompromising. As a blogger, you have to very much compromise yourself all the time because you're just, you're a news outlet. You're the one having the conversations. People are never going to love your content the way that people love like real uncompromising hip hop, you know? So from the moment and people like, their view of Freddie Gibbs is that he is an uncompromised

person that he very much is a soldier of hip hop and that he's out here doing his thing and that it's just this is not the fight that academics wanted to take on. If I was academics, I would have kind of took it on the chin, took the disses at a certain point because academics doesn't respond to most people who diss him.

That's kind of like part of his protocol that he's actually described to me is that most people who say shit about him, he just doesn't respond back. For some reason, Freddie Gibbs, he decided, all right, this is somebody I'm a publicly beef with. I don't think it was a good choice for him.

But you got to look and see what happened. They, he, if you really look at it, Act started the whole shit. He started with the calling out for the... He said if GZ's irrelevant, then you're irrelevant at the end of the day. So if you say something about me and I defend myself and in response to that, you bring my kids into the situation.

Now it's a whole other monster when it could have been a misunderstanding at the end of the day. Right. You know what I'm saying? That and he did a video like two weeks ago or something talking about Freddie Gibbs saying like if you're on crime watch crime stoppers and you're, whatever an op and and academics did a whole video on like why freddie gibbs is like right because okay right at the very moment that the gunna crime stoppers show whatever thing was like a huge part of the conversation that was happening right at that moment freddy gives chose to tweet out some

shit about you know if you were ever on crime stoppers and you're snitch yada yada yada and then he tried to say that he wasn't talking about gunna because academics that whoever on his team posted and basically said like this is freddie gibbs offering his thoughts more or less about Gunna. He did a whole video on it. After the fact, after Freddy Gibbs said that he wasn't referring to that or whatever. That's what academics does though. That's his job to do that. To connect the dots, to be like, oh, look,

Freddy Gibbs said this. To speculate anything. Adam would do the same thing. Let's connect some shit. I would do it too. He would do the same thing. But let me tell you guys something. Streetwise, you can't call nobody a snitch unless you see their paperwork. If it ain't no paperwork, you can't say nobody is telling. You know what I'm saying? So if you cooperated with the police, it's

in black and white, it's public records. You can look that shit up. But that's what the act wasn't saying like oh Freddie Gibbs is saying this about Gunna and Act is also not saying Gunna is a snitch his whole platform is he just throws it up there and says what do you think

Nick is clickbait do you think Freddy Gibbs was talking about Gunna I don't know like that you would do the same exact thing is ClickBay because it's a lot safer and easier because if I was posting about that I can't say the gun is a snitch no do I give a fuck but I can't conclusively say that and also I can't conclusively say that

Freddie Gibbs was talking about Gunna but you can post it and say, who do you think he's talking about? Do you think he's talking about Gunna? A lot of people are having this conversation about Gunna right now. So I actually think that academics, in terms of that disagreement, I think he definitely has a strong point, which is that Freddie Gibbs, like, you are commentating on the culture and you're saying things. And if you're going to say something about Snitches at the exact moment that everybody's having this conversation, then you're going to have to expect that people are going to have that conversation in public. And so I

I think he was right about that. I think Act totally crossed the line when he started saying shit about his kids. And I also think that when Act starts arguing about who has more money and stuff, this is not a great argument for him to try and choose either because at the end of the day,

nobody loves Freddie Gibbs because he has the most money. People fuck with him because he seems like a stand-up dude and his music is good and he's a good rapper. Yeah, he's a funny guy too. Money has nothing to do with character. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Who you is as a person at the end of the day. If you wanted to like a rapper based on who has the most money, then you might like, you know a gunna or a drake or whoever like the biggest rapist freddy gives is clearly somebody that people listen to not because he's the most fucking rich or whatever is just because they respect he's he's a lyricist you know what i'm saying he's he's freddy is somebody that's been here over a decade and can still be here over a decade at the end of the day and so but now you have you have freddy

basically saying that he was going to torture academics until he's basically forced out of industry and that is kind of if he really sticks to that have you ever watched freddie's story i was about to comment i enjoy his stories a lot i watch freddie's story every single day it's the most entertaining shit i want to know where he finds his memes the best part

is uh we went to Vegas for day and night and we went to this like hibachi spot and like we told them it was our birthday so they bring out like this like thing covered with like a blanket and then they reveal it and it's a big dick and then house phone takes a shot of it. Did you see that picture or video? He was asking about it. He has very concerned. I was

concerned. I thought it was so funny. Yo, Freddy Gibbs' Instagram story randomly calling your hobby gay. I was like. Yeah, he's like, that photo wasn't real, was it? I'm like, oh, no, that's real. I was like, sheesh. He was slurping from a schlong. It was a whole thing. But anyway, like, so now the floodgates are kind of open because people are seeing how well Freddie Gibbs's battle against academics is sort of playing out in the public eye. And now you have meek Mill on his head. Meek Mill had a crazy tweet earlier basically saying like academics is canceled yada yada yada i mean meek mill another person has a lot of sway in the industry and i feel like you know if if meke a real

nigger right but if mika's gonna be beefing with you know if meke's saying but mega's been having issues with act for a long as time the freddy gives one is new but say you got to understand this as a street nigger right what i'm gonna get you out of basic principles if you are which is six nine if you are affiliating your himself with a known snitch, you're giving them the platform at the end of the day, you're affiliated with that. It's just like you're just as guilty at the end of the day. Now, you could do your blog and you could do this and do that. Now, Adam, what he does, he doesn't care about the six nine situation. It doesn't affect him, but he doesn't shed light on it. He does exactly what he's

supposed to do is this happening in the news at the end of the day, but his personal opinions on it, he don't put that shit up in here. Oh, no, I put my opinions out about six, nine all the time. It's just like, and that's one thing I hate. But that doesn't stop you from shedding light on the situation. Right, but I also, like, I feel like if 6-9 takes a W, it's right for us to cover it and call it a W, but then also to contextualize it. Like, he got number one. We think he matters. That's really great.

But also, look how he did it. Like, you got to be real about it because you can't just give in to the smoking mirrors of 6-9, especially in his case where it's so fucking blatant taking place right. I only go by off of my, how I think about stuff and how I've been affected. I've been snished on before at the end of the day. And there's certain stuff that you don't play with. And my whole thing is this. I don't have a personal problem with 6-9. But I don't want other kids to think that you can join gangs.

You can do this. You could do this. You could tell on somebody. Ruin people's lives and come back and be successful. It's giving out the wrong message at the end of the day. If 6-9 just so happened to be in the other room, would you go beat the dog shit out of them just for the culture? I'm not going to beat them up because I don't have no personal issue with the nigger. I don't-snish on a bunch of people.

I don't care. If I sock the nigger, he's going to tell him me then. right no yeah definitely so that's probably worth it right i mean not it ain't worth it do a little bit no if you're working with the feds that's permanent clout post that video up boom ad but i don't do shit your stock is through the roof but i don't i don't do shit for clout i don't do shit for clout i'll keep a g yeah but can't just beat the shit out of somebody because you disagree with the fact you don't know like her that's what i said summer walker i know i know that these are people like i've seen no i just have never heard their music and really good music

I mean, I'm sure they did. The whole thing was Lizzo was a rapper. Exactly. So why is Lizzo is a rapper? So why is Lizzo winning the best R&B artists of the year? Alpha Beyonce, Summer Walker, her, Janae Aiko. These are real R&B artists. I mean, but it's just so interesting to me that people take this shit seriously

because I've never, even since I was a kid, I've never really looked at. But you're not going to resonate with BT the same way somebody black is. The same way they're like growing up watching the MTV Music Awards. Like, did I ever think that they were going to get it right? No. I never thought that they were going to get it right. I never would have thought that. When you were a kid, though, and you looking like, damn, this is dope.

Like, you want to be on those stages one day. You want to get those awards or stuff right there. And the thing that baffles me kind of is, like, they say the same thing about the Grammys, you know, it's like, why? They cut that shit. I ain't got no problem with this, okay. Why do we care about, you know, what the White Academy says in regards to black music or whatever? But then if you're looking at the BET, that's supposed to be.

black on television. But remove the racial dynamic, me growing up looking at MTV, why would I have ever thought that MTV was going to give me anything other than a completely politicized? You know, I just never thought that this was a trustworthy name that I would, but I'm also a person that never grew up interested in the

Grammys. I never thought that there was anything that the Grammys were ever going to put out into the world that I was going to find resonated with me. I do you that way. It's an accolade that like people strive their whole careers to get, you know, a Grammy or whatnot. But I never, I would. have never in a million years as a person who's interested in music would have never

thought about getting a Grammy or someone I know winning a Grammy like the idea that people want that and that that's a big thing that a lot of people are gunning for it is so completely foreign to me but you gotta remember remember when when Kendrick was going against macklemore and macklemore ended up winning the Grammy and he ended up texting Kendrick like you deserve this like even he thought one of the corneous things in the history of hip- it wasn't corny he didn't deserve an album of the year that year no but him texting Kendrick saying that and then posting it is one of the lamest things

that anyone in his, and shout out to McElmore, you know, he probably knows in retrospect that that was a little corny. But I don't think he, his intention was like, let me do this cornball shit. He didn't know the outrage that people was having and I feel like if he didn't say nothing at all publicly, people will probably

be on his head like white privilege type of shit. Him showing him saying it to Kendrick was just so fucking weird. But okay, if I'm, if the year is 2020 and I'm McElmore and I'm up against Kendrick-Omar for album of the year and I win, I am going to get on stage and say, I am so sorry.

I'm really sorry because I, like, from the beginning, because I don't think they would. In this day and age, there's no way they're letting Kendrick get B by Macklemore for Best Album of the Year. Because that would,

that would be, that would spark more protests. Like, there would be protests. Like, there should be protests if that would happen. I kind of would be surprised if it happened. Well,

Maclemore is not really. The Grammy, The Grammys have been like literally trying to get it right. That's really. The black community like, no, we're not going for that no more. We forgot to mention it, but yeah, the internet shut down and the entire computer shutdown. Oh, yeah.

This part that we're recording right now is not something that we did live. So if you want to see this, then you're seeing it right now for the first time. So that's cool. Yeah, yeah. We don't have the pressure of everybody watching us live. They're going to just see it after the fact, which is for me, I feel exactly the same. Yeah. I do enjoy reading some of the funny comments, but,

whatever. Yeah. Fuck them. Fuck them. So we, I think we are pretty much wrapping up the academics thing. And you,

well, I don't know. Can we make that bigger? There's probably no reason for us to discuss me just embarrassingly not knowing anything about who the fuck

this August guy that apparently is viral as fuck is right now. That's crazy. You know August I'll see it is. That's what I sent there to you. I was like, nigger.

I just have zero R&B knowledge. That was one thing that really blew my mind when I started to really listen to Joe Budden's podcast is like, these guys aren't just like peripherally aware of R&B. They're,

they're really into it. They go to R&B festivals. What do you have sex to? Cannibal Corpse. To like, what is that? Famous Dex. Famous Dex.

Like, my best of famous decks playlist from 2017, yes. No, I just, I have never, in my entire life,

gone out of my way to listen to R&B music has never really occurred to me as something I would be interested in. When he comes, when he becomes dad Adam, he's going to, you think dad Adam?

going to bring R&B out of them? Why would my kid want to listen to R&B? No, you're just going to look at him. R&B is beautiful, bro. Exactly. But why would my kid want to listen to it? You think that kids want to listen to her? Yes.

I think it's like way more calm than like Rio the young old. But you think that like a two-year-old is going to want to get into that? Her has catchy songs. You heard a song. I've never heard her. I do not know one single song. She's a great artist. She got that song called Slav YG is fire.

No, he's been singing it. I was with, God, I forget. I saw Black. Black is incredible. Black is incredible. so, I was so confused. It's just like, the beats are so slow. He's just like, he's not really like rapping.

Like, it's just like, you got to realize that me listening to R&B is like me listening. Like if I went to India and turned on the radio there, India. That's just as confusing to me as like modern day R&B. I need some soul in your system, man. Please give it to him. You need some soul in your system, man. Pause. But, um, I don't, um, I don't know.

I feel like you're missing out on a lot. You're missing out a lot of R&B. But I've like listened to it. I just, I don't. One of the goats. I couldn't, besides the double-mint song, I don't think I could name a song. Oh my God. I don't listen to it.

Nigger. Oh, my God. I'm just being real. But you saying that to me is like me being shugged that you don't know a smashing pumpkin song. Nigger, you're in hip-hop. You just said, fuck it, I'm just going to listen to rap. R&B, but that's me my whole life. Like, that's all I was always into is I was into rap.

I'm not into R&B. Have you gave R&B a try? I mean, I've been hearing it on the rink. radio and shit throughout my whole life. Can I send you a playlist? Felt interested or felt like intriguing enough. Can I send you a playlist? Yeah, sure.

I'll try it out. I just, for me, No more R. Kelly, though. Completely foreign. No more R. Kelly's been stricken from the playlist? Arkelly is stricken. I can fuck with, I mean, like there, okay, I've listened to plenty of R&B.

I've listened to play R. R. Kelly in my life. Leave Rkelly out of it. Does he count? Rkelly is right now? No, no, no. He's not going to be on Space Jam, too. You're canceling R. Kelly?

Like, why? Can we just run rock? Nick, did you say what Arckey did? I'm saying musically, like you can't listen to the music? I don't even believe you. I see people fucking play on Aron Kelly in the club and people go crazy for it. And if you're going to cancel him,

you've got to cancel Michael Jackson. I'm not cancel Michael Jackson. I don't believe that shit. That's what I'm saying. I don't believe that shit. I'm not so invested in the genre that I'm going to not listen to an artist because they did something nasty.

If you have surviving, if they can make two... What the fuck do I care? Listen, if they can make two seasons of you fucking with underage women, That's a whole other monster. They have surviving R. Kelly season two, nigga. No, I agree.

It's Grammy as fun. For me, in terms of R&B songs that I've heard in my life, I've probably heard like 10 R&B songs in my life. And it's probably like eight of them are R. Kelly. So I'd say, for me, if I leave R. Kelly behind, the whole genre is done for me. And what made you listen to R. Kelly in the first place? He was just on the radio.

So you only listen to? First of all, what radio station do you listen to? None now. But, I mean, as a youngian, during the late 90s or early 2000s, I was like at least exposed to the radio a lot. The radio was playing around me and whatnot. Man, let me tell you something. You got to get some soul at them.

Sometimes I'll... That's why I'm here. I'll listen to like Motown, like Aretha Franklin. That's like booming. I'm very disconnected from everything that's happening in R&B, let's say, for the past 20 years, maybe 15. So you don't know my nigga Trace. Never listen to him. You said no to CB already.

Nigger, no Jeremiah. No. Cizza is amazing. Never, never. Never. I could not name a Jeremiah song besides the one of 50 cents. He has so many good songs. I have no,

nothing. No knowledge at all. And I'm not just saying that. I believe you, nigga, but I'm like, Jesus Christ. I'm going to get you a playlist.

I would love to know, like, what are the albums that I should listen to. So I, because I'm going to sit there. R&B is a feeling, man.

And I'm going to take notes and I'm going to tell you why it doesn't appeal to me because I would at least like to be able to communicate the fact that I don't give a fuck about it. How about we do this? We should do a stream where you're just listening to

fucking. You could, I'll listen to smush pumpkin, whatever the fuck you just said. I have no idea what I don't know. I listen to the type of music and Josh was talking about that shit before.

I'll listen to the type of music and I'll give you some R&B you listen to that shit. I want to get your fucking reaction because it's going to hit you. I gave down the partner to drive for you. I've gone my whole life and it hasn't hit me yet.

No, and I agree that was big of you but going forward I just don't really I just, I feel like if I was going to become an R&B guy it would already happen. No. I don't know. I just feel like there's sometimes

when you're at home cooking or I don't know I don't think you take a bath but like if you take a bath there's just like time where you don't want to listen to Migos but I don't listen to music all the time like I mean it's a podcast way more than I listen to but it's the vibe though you with you with your you with your woman you know what I'm saying you're not gonna put on no fucking turnt up shit when you're with your woman if you want to get her in that mood

yeah no I don't we don't like put on I don't like have like a sexy you have like a sexy day but you have like a sexy here we are Play my sexy playlist. In this room. Like, like you have a sex playlist? Yes.

I don't have that. I just never. Get all that shit. That's really interesting. That's the vibe right there. You're making me imagine like something I've never thought about, which is like when a girl comes over, oh, you got like a girl playlist. Like, oh, I got songs for the ladies.

That's what make them fall in love. I've never hung out with a girl who tried to talk to me about R&B. I've never hung out with a girl who tried to put me on to this. Like that just doesn't. That means, well, not now because I fuck with Lennon. But I also, if they were trying to put me on to it. it, I probably wouldn't have really noticed. But I'm a rap guy. I'm interested in rap.

Yes, but listen, you got to understand. Rap and R&B go hand in hand. It's the same. Not the rap I like. What type of rap you like? The shit that doesn't have R&B singers on the hook because my whole life, the songs I've been skipping on the albums that I love are the songs that have R&B singers on the hook. Most of the

rap is melodic now. And that's okay. I can listen to Polo G album. I love that, but I don't need to hear fucking Trace songs on a hook. Polo G. Cadence is, you can say, is rap and kind of R&B. You feel me? A boogie is kind of rap and it's kind of R&B at the end of the day. But it's rap enough that I stay interested.

So you don't listen to the Drake songs that are not rap? No. You the fuck is wrong with you. I mean, I'll listen to them. I'll hear him once or twice, but those are never going to be the songs that I listen to like blinders on that you need to. It's not. I think he doesn't want to listen.

No, no, no, no, no, no. You guys are wrong. You're saying that I'm ignorant. You're saying that I'm stubborn. It's not that. I just actually have listened to a ton of R&B in my life. Like, I've listened to it enough to know. that I'm just not interested.

Arcadley ain't the nigger, man, you should be listened to. There are albums that I've listened to, you know, 40 times in my life. And every single time after the first listen, I skip the slow songs. I don't want to hear slow music. I'm not here for it. That's not why I'm listening to the music. Even in, like, the 2000s, you didn't like a shanti or anything like that? I mean, I know the songs with J'Rul that were on the radio, but no, I never felt

to need to dig into the catalog. I mean, you're not even dig into the catalog, but if you're at the club and they have that on, you don't, you don't like bob to it. But there's a big difference between, like, being down with an Ashanti and Jal Rul's song that you hear at the club, which is basically a rap song for the record. She's just doing a hook. And it's also one of the biggest songs of that generation of maybe like the 10 years.

We still all know that song by heart. So Drake has a million of them. But that's one thing. To want to do a bubble bath and listen to the new her album is very... She did. That's very foreign to me. She's a woman. That's what they do. But I don't do bubble baths.

Do you? No. But I will. Why? What's going to happen? What's wrong doing a bubble bath? I just don't... I'm personally not interested in it. If I had a half hour to kill, I'm going to do almost anything before I think, oh, I'll take a bubble bath and listen to this new R&B album. What was you giving?

If you get a massage, you may want to hear R&B. I get massages a lot of time. I put on, like, the Joe Rogan podcast or the Joe Budden podcast. I listen to the shit I would normally listen to. I like to have a bitch in a passenger side and I'm bumping that shit. You feel me, playing the R&B? You know what I'm saying? She's getting tipsy and shit like that.

Take it to the crib. That's what you do. I don't know. I mean, you guys are just telling me like things. that I could do while listening to it, but you're not really telling me why I was like, one song. Give me another song. I'll give it a try.

I only know one Dolly Parton song. I'm not really a Dolly Parton guy. Who's your favorite? Okay, give me a song that you say, I know AD's not going to like this. I gave Papa try. I like Maroon 5. Maroon 5 is fire.

I've, honestly, I could not name one Maroon 5 song. I have no idea what they produce or who they are or whatever. Like, you have to understand that. So you don't listen to shit. I listen to rap. Okay. I think you listen to podcasts. Okay, right now.

How about this? Who is your first top, right now? Right now. Who is your top 10 current rappers right now? I don't know. I mean, just give me three that pop about your head. I just don't even care enough about that question to answer. It's not interested in me to like rank what I'm listening to. You said you like rap?

What rappers do you like? Um, in terms of like rappers that I've been listening to lately? Yes. What are you feeling? When you're in the car, what do you ride to? Beyond podcast. No. I say beyond podcast.

Okay, the 42 Doug album, I listened to a bunch of times. I listen to the Polo G album a bunch of times. And I'm going to have to actually tell you because, to be honest, I'm, and I listen to the gun album mad at times. Okay, fire. There's probably more. I got to go back to the year. What, five years later? Okay.

Recently played. I played that little keyed mixtape from last year that I really liked. I was listening to the rumor mixtape drug dealing is whatever the fuck that is. Okay, a bunch of Griselda, the Freddie Gibbs Alfredo album. I listened to a bunch of a bunch of stuff. times. I listened to the NAB album. Randomly, I went back and listened to the Mike Tyson album by Sean Price, rest

in peace. Key Glock, always listened to a lot of key Glock. I listened to the Run the Jules album a couple of times. And I listened to the new No Plug, Brick Atlanta mixtape, which I can't really remember much about, to be totally honest. Always you listen to a rat. I listened to a couple of songs

off of the fucking weekend album, but didn't really get. That's R&B, nigga. No, I listened to it and didn't like it, actually, to be honest with you. I like that album. Me and Lenda listened to it and didn't really get into it. Okay, what does Lana like? I was listening to the Chef G album. She listens to the country. She'll listen to the pop. I listen to the new Shevji album, a bunch of times. I listened to the Draco album, a bunch of times. I listened to the Rod Wave album, the new Liyadi. I listened to Doja Cat because she was

going so viral for being called racist that I just wanted to actually listen to her and see what I thought of her. I interviewed Young Buck, and then I listened to the new Young Buck. I listened to The New Future when that came out. I listened to a bunch of Young Drow when I interviewed him. I like the future album. I went through a brief Tupac phase where I was listening

all the old Tupac albums a little bit. So I listened to the new little dirt I listened to the new young boy when that came out a little while ago. The Oozie album. All right,

Nick, I want a discography now. You got a point. This is what I'm saying, though. Like, this is actually like what that's like the last couple months probably or even month. You just name like 20 rappers.

You fuck with it. But that's what I listened to. I'm like, I only skipped over a couple artists in there but they were like rock. Like Billy Bragg for some reason I had to skip out. who that is.

Exactly, because I don't really think that's, you probably wouldn't go crazy for it either. I don't know. Bro, I'm not biased. I can send you some Billy Bragg songs. Bro, I'm going to send you some R&B songs, bro. It's crazy too, because shout out to my homie G Perico. Every Sunday, he sends me an R&B playlist, a different one. Oh, wow.

Every Sunday, it's just like vibes, though. It's just so confusing to me because I don't know. I want that playlist. It's hard for me to imagine G. Heeperigo just, like, posted up in some room or in his room. People like R&P. I don't know any of them. That's my problem is that, like, of the guys that I've been hanging out with, my entire life.

What do you think we do? My entire life. Every guy I've been hanging out with, I have never had anyone say, oh, let's listen to this R&B album. You don't listen to R&B with your homie. But even, like, I've never heard one of my friends be like, oh, I was listening to this R&B album. And, like, that's just, I've never kicked it with people who listen to it. So to me, it is completely foreign. I wonder if Vell listened to it.

They'll listen to R&B for sure. I think they just don't talk to you about it because you'll just like tell them that they're stupid. I wasn't like born feeling this way. It's just I literally don't know anyone who listens to R&B. So to me it's totally fine. And then I find out that like, oh, you listen to it, but you've never said one thing about any R&B artist to me ever. You know who also saw in Vegas at that fest? Miguel.

Fire. Another amazing artist. No emotion. Don't, did nothing for me. You never asked me about R&B. That's why. Because I don't give a fuck. I know.

You could try to talk to me about it, but it's just not. I just want to know there's got to be a lot of people who agree with me in the chat. Like there's got to be a lot of people who don't think what I'm saying is crazy. Okay. There will be comments after. I'm going to give you this, right? For the kids who ain't having sex yet, for the boys that ain't getting no ass right now, you don't care about R&B.

When I was 14, 13, I didn't care about R&B like that. You feel me? But when I start getting some pussy, then I start putting that shit on because that sets the fucking move. So you think it's weird that I've been like, fucking girls listening to my friend's music my whole life? No, because I have a homeboy who's still to this day. He's in prison, but he used to always say, I don't like R&B. I fuck the hyphy music.

So I'm not, I'm going to put on, like, actually, like, the rap music that I listen to normally. He would put on hype music. That's my word. But I also don't put on rap. I don't put on music to fuck. See, it's different between fucking and making love. You put on R&B to make love. But you love your girl, right?

Right. You have a baby on the way, right? Right, but we don't put on music to fuck. Like, there's not even a thing to play music in our room. It's our anniversary, our anniversary. What is that? I'm going to put you on, I'll put you on the playlist, man. What the fuck is that?

It's a fire song. But we don't even have, this is making me realize, we don't even have a thing in our room to play music. I just play off my phone. Yeah. Are you serious? You fuck to music off your phone? Yeah, I don't have, yeah. It's better than silence.

So you just don't care about sound quality at all? You're going to dwell. You clearly don't care about anything. No, I do. I mean, I just don't fuck to music. But when I listen to music, I listen to good quality of music. Wait, but you guys really, like, this is really, like, this is way more disturbing than me not being familiar with R-B. You guys are in your home where you've had months or years to create a functioning system by which you can play music while you're fucking, which apparently you guys are so into, and you play it off your phone? Everybody listens to music when you're fucking.

You don't have to. This is your house. You've had all the time in the world to set up a music listening scenario. I have my surround sound with the with the um and you still played off your phone no I'm just saying if ain't that unavailable I'm gonna play it on the phone but you don't Bluetooth it to your phone what you're saying if I go to a hotel and I don't have no portable speaker I might fuck off the phone if you don't if you're in a hotel completely different situation if I was fucking in the park yeah I'm gonna play it off my phone because I don't have a fucking Bluetooth system that but in terms of the only places where I listen to music are in back on my computer and in my car.

And in both of those scenarios, the music sounds very, very good because there's big fucking speakers, whatever. So you don't go to barbecues or nothing? And the music is being played? I mean, do I go to barbecues? Not really, but do I go to barbecues and control the music? Absolutely not. I'm going to bring you to a real barbecue.

That's cool, but I mean, I don't, you know. You're not going to come? No, I'll go. I'm just saying that, like, I'm not, like, I don't have like a really big, like barbecuing schedule. Like, oh, like all these barbecues. No, I'm like, hey, niggas. Hey, nigga, pull up.

Come on. Come on. You'll get you some gumbo. You feel me, some ribs, you're acting like. Barbecues are a lot more fun than what barbecues are actually like. For my experience.

You can get some food. White people barbecues are different because the food don't taste as good. You got to get the soul food. Josh had a little barbecue at the house the other day. It was no seasoning. We were all geeked up about the burgers that he was making and shit.

And they're, to be honest, they're pretty like standard burgers. You're talking about gumbo? Gumbo. That sounds amazing. Josh didn't make gumbo. Macaroni. Did you see what my mom made for Father's Day?

No. She made salmon. right real salmon no salmon she made bacon she made macaroni and cheese she made banana pudding she made gumbo she made like all this shit like that's what you're going to get out

at a black barbecue I want banana pudding right now banana pudding fire I mean you're looking at me now like banana pudding is in the same category as R&B I've had banana pudding I just haven't listened to her have you had black banana pudding not that store bought bullshit

but I've had a lot of good banana putting in Bionza at some really, really nice restaurants. Should we segue to the next topic, guys? What is the next topic? And I also just want to say, normalize never having listened to R&B. Defund R&B. You're the only person in my life that ever has said that. Are you serious?

I swear to God. I can name so many people that you know that would say exactly what I'm saying about never having gone out. Began was just here. He's in that category. Yeah, but you guys are just. But that's the type of person that I've been hanging out in all life. I want to ask housebone does he listen to R&B?

He doesn't like R&B. Does Houseful listen to R&B? I'm going to ask him. He definitely listens to R&B. Okay. But he'll cap. He'll cap like your cap and act like he listens to it way more than he actually does because he wants to seem like he has a eclectic music taste.

My nigger, I be driving around, listen to fucking right here. Show me your most recent played music and your fucking Apple music. And I want to see if there's any R&B present because I bet there isn't. Hold on. Hold on. Free Joe Exotic by BFB to PacMess. Nigger, look. I like that song.

You put that in your Apple music. Saidae, right? Ooh, he got the side egg. Mori Carrey. All right. Montel Jordan. I'm not gonna love. Shaba Rinks.

The new Tiana Taylor album, nigga. So good. Let's go. Fire. You crazy. Tiana Taylor album was amazing. I met her and I thought she was just a model. I was really glad that I didn't say anything.

No, nigga. Tiana Taylor is amazing. Look, old R&B. Unfinished Business. Gregory Abbott. Leon Bridges, which is fire. Stupid ass this song. I ain't gonna say it on there.

9 to 5. Yeah, because you got it. Even singing in the fucking rain by Gene Kelly, man. listen to different shit. The Bee G's, staying alive. You listen to Staying Alive. I love that song. Staying alive.

Look, John B. Don't say genuine. I saw John B. had a DJ Vlad interview and I wasn't sure he was. Nigger, Mick condition. I don't know how to say that shit. Elton John, nigga, look.

Georgia Smith. Keanu Ladegh. I love Georgia Smith. Alea. Georgia Smith. I only know who she is because people were talking about how Drake was dating her like right when she turned.

There was a Trappler-Ross video about Drake and her. I never heard of her until them. Now look, let me show her the playlist. I get it. But was she, was she like, is she a big artist? It's huge. I have no idea. Straight R&B, look at this shit. I have a straight R&B fucking playlist. There's hundreds of songs in this motherfucker. That's cool.

I have rap caviar right here. It looks just like that. That's cool. No, but you gotta get the R&B. I don't really think I do, but send me the playlist because I will listen to it. But no. A friend of mine? No, I would love to make a whole video about why R&B sucks, but I just, I honestly don't know. No, like I haven't heard it enough to even have an opinion about it. At least you can say that.

Anytime I run into it, it doesn't stick to the inside of my brain. How do I send it to playlists? I want to send it to both of y'all. Never send a playlist. I feel like you could copy the link or something like that. Playlists, it's got to be the dot, dot, dot, dot, button. Yeah, share. Oh, share.

Yeah, I want that. Share? Who the fuck are all these people? Who are all these people that you apparently text more than me? I feel like we text a lot, but I'm looking through the whole list. It's all these random-ass names. I'm just like, damn, I feel like you'd be pretty close to the top of mind. Pause.

Let me see. Oh, if I go to send a text? Let me see. Okay. Let's see what happens. Like you send a picture or something. Okay. Let's see.

All right. We'll use a picture, random ass. Wait. Someone's called. You have to do it like. All right, you're right. I'll take this image. And you didn't save my number.

This image is one of the most recently saved in my phone. This is more. This is more to seriously. Freddy Gibbs is Instagram. story. These N words definitely had sex and it's a picture of academics. I saw. I was going to say. He told me about the beat that

it's actually pretty serious. So there's that. At least we don't think he's totally capping. Although I don't think he necessarily really understands the nature of a podcast which is kind of like no matter what someone's trying to call you about, it's not as important as a podcast. Like the podcast

in order to exist really has to sort to seem like it's more important than anything else. In order for people like, you know, but he's new. He doesn't get that. I mean, I don't know exactly what this beef is about or not beef or news or whatever's going on. It's pretty serious, but it's also... I don't know. Okay.

These are who comes up when I go to do it. That's fucking OT. He said, if you're not on my fucking album, you're going to know why. Josh, Lena, the news group chat. Johnny Shipes because I was just texting him, he normally wouldn't be at the top. Brandon, Pro P. T.J. X. 6's manager. Black Day.

A.D. Okay. House Phone. My Pokemon group chat. Oh my God. Wyatt Bray, the Kandama guy. A couple other condomagas? Well, no, but you are, but you're in a group chat.

Housephone. I kind of got happy. I thought I said Black Adam at first. I'm with the both of the Adams today. They definitely had sex. I just had to say this. Did y'all get the playlist text message check? I did.

I got it. I think I saw it. Woo. Watching you. No, he was killing him with the one-liners on his quote tweets. You call this straight R&B. but STR 8 R&B. Listen, and I have an album on there,

so I did a whole album with Eric Billinger, so I got my own R&B type shit on there. Who's up? You don't know what fucking Eric Belanger is? Amazing artists. Even Trevor's looking at me like I'm tripping. That nigga from Sack. He doesn't know the R&B.

No, he's looking like I'm tripping because I don't know. Oh, he tripping on Trevor. Yeah. No, my bad. He's on your side. I take it back. You, do you? I mean, I don't know.

What do you guys think about Pop Smoke cover art? I'm going to make you a, for the record, though, I'm going to make you. I'm going to make you a playlist of a lot of hardcore songs I like, and we're going to have that conversation where I'm going to come in here, and I'm going to talk about what I learned about R&B, and you're going to learn about Earth Crisis. Yes, let's do it.

Smush pumpkins and Earth Mises. Earth Mises. What is that? I don't know. Earth Crisis is like one of my formative bands from my youth. They were the ones who convinced me to stop eating. I was a vegan 14-year-old because of them. So how would you feel if I said all the shit you listened to was stupid?

But I didn't say R&B is stupid I just said it's not for me I was just joking but I'm just saying it's not for me You've been saying it's stupid If you listen to all the hardcore bands that I grew up listening to And your opinion is like Bro it's probably gonna make me bust the windows out of the car It's gonna make you say it's cool

But I'm not gonna listen to it probably That's how I feel of R&B It's cool I respect the people involved I met Jakees one time Quees, I remember the fuck you say I met him one time Never listened to him but nice guy

Yeah When I heard YKO Sive Say, like, he's a king of R&B? I'm going to be honest with you. I never listen to YK.O. Cyrus, but I don't know. I don't know. He might be for as far as I know. Y.K. Osir is talented.

I never really listened to him like that. You got to understand, too. R&B is not a big genre these days. So the R&B artists really stick out that come out. I will say that. I was hearing Joe Biden and then talk about going to, like, an R&B festival and, like, talking about how beautiful the girls were and shit. And I'm like, holy fuck, that's a brilliant idea.

He loves. I would have thought of that in a million years. He loves the homie Yeh Ali. Joe Button always posts his shit. Who's that? He's a dope artist, dope writer. Bro, the fucking R&B concerts, that's where you get the girls. I never been to one, so I want to know.

I remember I had that feeling one time when I went to a pop punk concert. I went to a pop-p-what? Pop-punk. It's like the white version of what he's talking about. Pop-What? Yeah, yeah, it is. It is, for real. No, who was it was maybe brand new?

I do like Pop-Punk. It was maybe a brand-new concert. And like for me, the only shows in concert I've ever been doing my life were like hardcore shows and rap shows. All dudes. Yeah, all dudes. Like, I mean, there's just not chicks who go to that.

I went to this brand new concert the years maybe 2009. Oh my God. It was all girls. Mind blowing. I'm like, I don't even really fuck with this music like that. Like brand new is cool, but like, man. Bro, I go to the, when I go to the white clubs, bro, I like the songs that they play.

It's a different move. What the fuck do they play at the white clubs? They'd be playing. They'd be playing shit. like it's like I don't want to say it's like techno but you go in here you got to show me shit like that you feel me I like the white bitches too the one of the best days in my life which I came to regret this no definitely I don't want to say one of the best days in my life but there was a moment where I went to a bar in Brooklyn and it was maybe 2012 and they were playing all

Gucci Man and it's like a white hipster bar they're playing all trap rap and I was so happy because I was like I've never been to a bar in LA that is like just a grimy like hipster bar and then playing mad gangster rap I'm like this is the best soundtrack I could like this I made me really happy that quickly became so played out that I really probably couldn't have that happy at this point what is when you invited me to your virtual baby shower and then didn't invite you to the actual birthday party that we had like a month later I'll take what I can get we only only have like five people come to that one because she's scared of COVID.

But yeah. Anyway, what else should we talk about? Anything else, please. Pop Smoke. Pop Smoke. The album cover. The cover looked pretty ugly,

but I was pretty impressed by Twitter's ability to actually like make them want to change the album cover almost immediately. I mean, the outrage was very loud. The question is really like, can you get to the point of being as big as Virgil without getting some kind of outbreak? of criticism at some way because

if you really look at it like okay let's look at Kanye Kanye and Virgil very similar you can sort of compare him in many ways Kanye has given us so many reasons to criticize him so many reasons for him to be canceled etc yeah okay he supports Donald Trump end of story there's so many things

that Kanye has done that nobody else in the culture would ever get away with with Virgil not very controversial in comparison like Virgil like the things that you could point to that even Virgil is getting Virgil's getting canceled for? What?

Not donating enough publicly? They're not canceling him. Maybe not being good enough at graphic design. He's not being canceled. They're just saying they don't like that. You know what I'm saying? When he donated to $50, no one said Virgil was canceled.

They just made jokes of the situation. I've seen a lot of people really, really full of rage. I haven't seen nobody about cancel. And he's been criticized from like the beginning for stealing like designs and ideas and concepts and stuff. Allegedly. Allegedly. I mean, I've seen the pictures.

I just think that at a certain point you get big enough that you just become a big-ass fucking target and I feel like that's kind of what we're seeing happen with Virgil where for a long time people were willing to give them a pass like, oh, whatever. They just weren't as inquisitive. Now they want to see every off-white design, every collection he puts out, etc., be some brand-new groundbreaking shit.

I feel like a year or two ago, if Virgil had designed that album cover that people just wouldn't have really necessarily felt like it was so important to have a negative opinion about it. I think they want to break down another black man. This is conspiracy. I don't even think it's that much of a conspiracy. I think it's something like for a while the community was looking at Virgil like he was like the next greatest thing to come from the culture and then you achieve so much. You get rich as fuck. You get kind of disconnected from the culture. He's doing dope shit though. The shoes is fire. Every shoe. But then now you have

people coming out in droves wanting to take him down because he's been so successful and because he came from the organic. But that's anybody. There's people that fucking probably hate your guts, Adam. You didn't do nothing to him, right? Oh, yeah. That's what I'm saying. So you're going to get to a certain point where people, anything that you say, they're going to say, cancel him, cancel him, cancel him, cancel him, do this, do this, do this, do this, do this, at the end of the day. And Virgil, you got to think about it. There's not too many black designers, right, that is out there that the culture really fucks with. Like, he runs the shit at Louis Vuitton, too, on top of that. He's too big. He's too big that it's inevitable that people

are going to want to try to bring him down. But do I think that he tried to like, oh, do the pop smoke shit like that? No, that probably was his vision at the end of day. And people don't like it. I have a feeling that that album cover, I feel like maybe the way the physical copy would look would be different than the way that it looked when we just saw an image of the album cover. Because you ever get a CD and it's kind of got like a little glittery. Like glittery sort of like shiny crap on and stuff. And that's what they use for the graphics is like the fucking diamonds and all this shit.

And it's, to me, I feel like that album cover, if you were to go pick up a copy at fucking Best Buy and see what it, which I don't think they sell CDs anymore, but if you were to have a physical copy. Who's picking up the physical copy? This fool is at Best Buy every day. Just staying in the corner. Why, though? Stealing iPhones? I don't know. Never on.

He got to connect. But basically, I feel like the album cover, but I mean, you know, nowadays, you are designing it for Instagram because if the album cover is going to look dope in person, it's like nobody's ever going to fucking see that. Everybody is missing the point. What? The point is, is that pop, rest in smoke, real nigger, this is his post-humanist. How you said that? Poster. Posthumous.

This is his album. This is his legacy at the end of the day. This is how we're supposed to honor him. So if the album cover don't look like we're honoring pop smoke, that's where the public outcry is at the end of day. 50 just posted up. A whole bunch of covers. like I'm gonna let the fans rate it

which ones that you like and I feel like at this point right now people are so invested in the art cover that everybody's gonna be torn and they're not gonna like everybody's not gonna agree on everything that they like but okay let's throw those out there I put forth a theory that like people

basically just want to tear Virgil down unfairly at this point I think there's a little bit of that I don't think that there's a deal with a death is different at the end of the day but I think that you do have a point where I think that there's an extent to which both of the most obvious else that Virgil has taken over the past

couple months. The posting about the donation, even though we later found out that he actually donated way more than the $50 or whatever, the way he played it, the way he put it out there was in such a way that I feel like he maybe could have not approached it that way. And then also with this one, I feel like Virgil didn't like this album cover, like I could have told you, if I'd seen this album cover before it came out, I probably could have told you like, I don't think that's going to go over too good. I don't think this is the one. Let me tell you something. If Pop was still alive and he dropped and posted it. Posting, that album cover on his page no one would have a problem with it like that it would not be this

outcry right now because nobody normally gives a fuck about anybody's album cover that much there's so many trash they do they do and they don't but the fact that this is his legacy he's he's he's he's not here is that we need to honor him to the fullest extent you know what i'm saying so if the fans don't feel like this ain't honoring pop right that's why motherfuckers is mad i don't think nobody's trying to tear virgil down there may be some people like okay this the perfect time to try to to tear him down, but for the most part, I felt the same way. I don't fuck with this album cover, and Pop was my homie

at the end of the day. I don't fuck with that album cover, but this is the thing that would have kept me from tweeting it and saying, hey, this album cover sucks, is that Virgil has so much respect. And also, Pop Smoke is dead. Rest of Peace, Pop Smoke. Those are the two things that would have made me not say anything. It's number one, to say that the album cover's trash is,

I mean, in a prior world that we used to live in, the album cover wouldn't have been able to be changed. So saying that the album cover was trash would have been, it would have just been like, oh, this album covers trash for forever, because that's going to be the album cover going forward. And then also the fact that Virgil gets so much love that I wouldn't have really wanted to say anything bad about him, but, you know, welcome to the internet where nothing is safe and people are very happy to tear Virgil down, very happy to basically say that Pop Smok's

album cover sucks even, you know, I mean, people are emboldened to have opinions publicly. Look at the effort though, 50 went and grabbed. The best, probably one of the best designers of our time right now to even make a album cover. He don't make album covers. But the fact that he went to try to grab one of the best creative minds that he knew to make an album cover shows that he really wants to memorialize

him the right way. That's facts. I'm just telling Josh to make sure that that first stream is private. And then two, just like you. I know you was close with X, right? I probably could have done it myself. You was real, you was close with X, right? Yeah. Okay. How would you feel if this

was X album and you didn't fuck with the artwork? work. I wouldn't say anything. You wouldn't? No, because that's like, if I thought that the album cover sucked, I would have thought it was disrespectful to his mother and to his fucking friends. But you would feel a certain way, right? I would feel it, but I wouldn't say it. Okay. But maybe if it was so bad that I actually thought it was disrespectful, but again, then I would probably hit her up behind the scenes and say something. But in your heart, if you seen something that you don't think was memorializing him the right way, you wouldn't fuck with it, right? Because you have a personal connection with that person. But at the end of the day, like, the extent to which

it's memorializing him in a bad way is just that graphically, it's not really appealing to people. It's not really, like, disrespectful. I could understand if it was, like, a really, like, weird graphic of pop smoke in a casket or some shit. People didn't like it because it was creepy. You got to understand how big pop smoke was for New York. He was the new guy. Like, the whole city was behind him.

They were pushing him to be, you know what I'm saying? Like the next biggie damn near. You feel what I'm saying? Right. So the fact that he loses his life, people don't play when it come to him in New York. You feel me? But I feel like it was the Twitter critics more than anybody who really like forced this change into happening. When you have all these accounts getting hundreds of thousands of retweets making fun of album cover, that's what made it.

Look what the niggas did to Sonic. The Sonic trailer comes out. My motherfucker says, this is ugly. It's disgusting at the end of the day. What do the people do? They change it. It makes fans way more happy. And they end up selling fucking crazy.

fucking tickets at the end of the day. The fact that they're even changing pop album, everybody that has something bad to say about the album, y'all better go buying and support it at the end of the day. You feel what I'm saying? Stream that motherfucker. I'm excited to hear it to be honest. I wonder if they're going to post it before it drops on Friday.

What, the new album cover? Well, right now, 50 has album covers. He's asking the people do they like. So I've seen like three or four of them, and they all were like doper. People were mad at the merch too that came with it, the shirt. Oh, really? He designed a shirt too, Virgil.

I mean, but everybody's doing that now. Like, okay, to put it in perspective, I remember when Usher came and did the interview about his last project, Virgil had designed the merch. And I was looking at the merch because Usher gave it to me, which I was pretty excited about, just because I'm like, wow, I'm getting, like, Virgil out. And Usher's R&B, by the way. Right. And that was kind of an awkward interview to get ready for because I was like, really, really having to learn everything about Usher from

fucking ground step zero. be the world. I say I know that one. Wanna make love in this club. In this club. The fact that you do the lumberjack to R&B music, yeah.

No, but when he gave me that Virgil Abel Abel design merge and I remember looking at and thinking like kind of whacked to me but I would never say that probably

because why am I going to dis Virgil's shit publicly? Like I don't want to smoke with him. I mean, before we came here today, I was trying to like look up more coverage on the Pops Boat cover that Virgil did.

And there's so many YouTube videos on like the reason why Virgil Oblo ruined fashion. And like, you know what I mean? Like, I don't know. They've been hating on him for a while now. Hage is hating. When you're on top, they're going to hate you. They hated Michael Jackson and he didn't do nothing. I stand by that, nigga.

All right. Speaking of being on top and being hated, we definitely should probably talk about the Shane Dawson shit, don't you think? I don't even know what Shane Dawson. See, there you go. I like a lot about it too. I'm going to educate AD today about the real true white culture that me and Kim live inside. I don't claim that.

I don't claim that. You are very much in the gray area. That must be nice. Okay, I'm going to just explain this to the best of my ability. Sometimes, like, you can really begin to understand something by teaching. Also, shout out to this dog falling asleep with this fucking dummy head on the table. Yeah, he's been his mean mugging me the whole time. I don't think Camgirl's dog likes me.

He does. I want people to be able to really get a nice. nice shot there. Why is he shaking? If I was how I'd be mad. They shake in their dreams. Like he's having a dream right now. He has a dream about R&B. Probably. Uh, sure.

Okay. So basically there's a YouTuber. Oh my God. I'm trying to figure out how far back I want to go. Wait. Is this the motherfucker I did the willow shit? Yes. Yes. Disgusting. So basically, Shane Dawson, I'll just start with Shane Dawson. Shane Dawson is a YouTuber. He's been huge on the platform for forever. He's just always been huge.

People didn't even know he's gay for a long time. he had like girlfriends publicly or whatever. Over time, he ended up coming out of the closet. His content, over the last couple years, people would say is really, really good. Like, he kind of pioneered the whole, like, art form of basically just making these, like, super in-depth sort of documentary type pieces about different people in the YouTube community, et cetera. And he's really sort of, like, become one of the main faces of what YouTube is over the past,

however many years. But then it basically came out that, okay, there's another YouTube makeup guy named James Charles. And last year, almost exactly one year ago, there was a huge controversy where basically James Charles was accused by this woman in the makeup industry named Tati Westbrook. He was accused of basically being a predator, creeping on young boys and stuff, which seemed pretty crazy. And straight boys. But at that time, James Charles was, I think, 18 or maybe 19. And a virgin. And still a virgin.

So, I mean, that always seemed kind of weird, like how much of a predator he could possibly be at, like, 18 or whatever. But basically, over the last year or whatever, it's come out that people. that people were basically saying that the Shane Dawson guy basically put the battery and the Tati Westbrook girls back to do a video exposing James Charles. James Charles, to his credit, basically most of those accusations came out to not really have much merit,

and he really kind of beat the whole thing, and it seems like he's pretty popular again. But so basically, Shane Dawson put out a big statement basically indicting the entire makeup community and basically saying, like, this is the most drama-filled community. Like, you guys are so fucked up.

it's so fucked up how he would tear people down and rah, rah, rah. That, that letter that he posted caused a huge percentage of the beauty community, the makeup community, to then start digging through all of Shane Dawson's old videos and they found basically like every offensive joke

he ever made, every offensive thing he ever did. And they already knew some basics left. They already knew that he had like worn blackface for fucking old music videos or whatever, like a million years ago, whatever. There's other like things that he had done that was seen as creepy or whatever, but they ended up basically finding all kinds of different stuff that just, you know,

a lot of it seems really, really bad. Like, I seen an Instagram photo where he's like with like a kid and he's like, I love this kid. Like, this like, like basically like I think I might become a pedophile. Oh God.

And it made so many of those jokes. And like he made so many jokes that were basically the joke. I wasn't he canceled a long time ago. Because back then, this was YouTube at the time. And I feel like a lot of people were sort of like intention. ignorant about the fact that the climate was completely different and that a lot of these jokes like this is the thing millions of people saw those jokes like at that time but wait when did he do those

podcasts though because i feel like that wasn't too long ago right what were the podcast close he did Shane and friends friends podcast and i feel like it wasn't that long ago but what did he do that was offensive on those weird ass more pedophile shit really yes a lot there's been so much stuff that's been kind of hard to keep an eye on it and just when you thought that the canceling of Shane Dawson was going to maybe slow up a bit, all of a sudden you got the Smith family coming for him because they found that one clip where... That's disgusting, though. But my thing is, I want to know what that whole clip is like because they just cut it down

to like three seconds of him making like the jerking off motion looking at the little girl. If that was my daughter, I would be pissed. I want to know what the joke he was trying to make there was because I'm assuming that it wasn't like, oh, hey, like I actually... But wasn't his Willow when Willow was underage? She's like a leaven on the wall. Okay, then that's disgusting. Why would you even play around like that?

It's a weird piece of shit. You're a bitch. But you see how people like just take it at face value. They strip it of any context and they say, look, this is offensive. But when I say, I want to see the context. I want to see exactly what that full club was like. I mean, like to you, like that in itself, wanting to see the context, wanting to see the greater overall picture. Right.

But it shouldn't be different. We're trying to judge the offensiveness of a joke. And if the joke was really that offensive, you should want to see the context. You should want to see the full picture. But look at your reaction. You need to do a little self-examination here. Why do you not want to see the greater context? Because you want to be offended.

I don't want to be offended. But then why wouldn't you want to see the greater context? Because clearly if millions of people saw it when it came out, it can't have been that offensive at the time. I have an 11-year-old daughter. You don't need to have a daughter to be offended by somebody making that joke. Period. Okay, you have a kid on the way right now, right?

If you see an 11-year-old girl, first of all, if this nigger been making penalties, our jokes at the end of the day. You don't do that in front of an 11-year-old girl's picture at the end of day. That shit ain't cool at all. Right, but you, okay, you've made a ton of offensive jokes, I could assume, throughout your life.

I know I certainly have. What official jokes I said? I don't know, but I'm just saying that there's a ton of jokes that I guarantee you made in 2010 that if we were to take them and clip the beginning and clip the end and put it out there and say, this is what AD is all about.

Look at this thing, he said. It would completely misrepresent you as a person. Probably. Why do you not extend the same sympathy to him and assume just said years. He's been doing pedophile type stuff. It was so this is not a one time but at the time but this is the thing you have to understand. He had millions of subscribers who thought this was funny. Most white people? Probably large. All right then. Because I felt the same way about the situation as well because I thought you know, not that I want to see the whole video but like okay he could be making a really weird bad joke and like at that time, people weren't as sensitive.

Yeah, they weren't as sensitive. No, but I don't want to be a full. It had millions of views. Well, wait, let me finish. But then I did some more research, and, like, it was just too much. Like, it was just clip upon clip upon clip. But that's part of the strategy,

is that they will find a million clips so that if they cut the beginning and the end, they can make it look offensive. I'm not done yet. I'm not done yet. Because they want you to say that exact thing that you just said, which is, no, this is very, very important.

They want you to have that exact reaction. They want you to see a shitload of stuff and say, who's them? The people who are putting forth the case that he needs to be canceled, they want you to look at all these clips and come.

Do you think he should be canceled? Just let me get this one point off. They want you to not care about the details of each individual case. They want to create an overall explanation of who he is as a person that will convince you that the individual details don't matter.

And yes, I don't think he should be canceled. I think a lot of this stuff was super offensive, but I think it's a very deliberate attempt to obscure what his actual jokes were at that time. I don't know the full context. I don't either, but I assume that if he had millions of people watching it,

that it couldn't have been that offensive at the time. But if somebody's acting, they jerking off and tell a picture of my 11-year-old daughter, I want to see a two-minute clip. I don't want to see a two-second clip because I want to know exactly what he was trying to get across there. And maybe it's still super offensive. But the fact that that many people saw it at the time and didn't think it was offensive, leads me to think that maybe the actual context wasn't as offensive. But what if the people watching were just like, I don't know, little kids, I didn't know any better.

Why are people... That's a concern. Okay, that... Sorry, because you kept cutting me off rudely. No, but I needed to make a point because you were about to just basically say the thing, which is that the details don't matter. The details are the only thing that matters. I'm trying to get across a point and you're not letting me finish.

Let's hear it. So I watched more videos and when he did Blackface, he has a character called Sheney or whatever. Disgusting. Disgusting. And he had Shennay-Nay merch on his Amazon and he was selling that until like two days ago. Two days ago. Yes. On his Amazon.

I would like a fact check on that. Apparently it's still available on his website. Go check out choice. I feel like if he would have wanted to distance himself from the blackface thing a long time ago. Just because somebody's just shedding light on something right now doesn't mean that it's not wrong. Why are people just turning up?

People are now giving police brutality the full force that it should have been getting years ago, 50, 60, 70 years ago at the end of the day. Why isn't it not like that? I mean, why are they just doing this shit now? That doesn't make it less wrong. Let me just throw this out there. Let's say that I'm going to throw a hypothetical situation. Let's say that when I was 15, I had wore blackface, which I have not.

But let's say that I did for a costume or whatever. And let's say at that time, I didn't, I don't even have to be 15. Let's say I was 20. I didn't think it was racist. And nobody around me thought it was racist. And nobody was offended around me. And now it's brought to the table and it said, look how offensive this was. But at the time, nobody was offended.

Then what is that said? It would have to get down, but I would say I don't think Adam's a racist. But even if it was 20 years ago, that's still to you. Like, if you didn't think it was offensive and nobody around you told you it was offensive. Listen. Because I think that Shane Dawson was realistically living in a world where he didn't know that blackface was offensive. I'm going to say it. Because nobody, he had all these videos out and nobody told them that.

A 15 year old nigger, a 15 year old person knows right from wrong at the end of the day. Oh, you're not even adult at 15. At 15, you knew everything that you was doing. He was 21 when he made the video. ridiculous. I mean, 21, that's even worse. He knows exactly what he's doing. I don't think so. Do you remember being 21? When I was 21, I was such a completely different person. Okay, but don't you start high school? Aren't you in high school when you're 15? Yeah. You're on your way to being an adult in society at the end of the day. So everything that you ever did when you were 15, you're comfortable with people bringing that to the surface now and saying this is who AD is. I'm not saying that you are the same person that you are when you're 15. I did no racism. I don't think you want people applying. the same logic that you're applying to Shane Dosson, you would be mortified if people apply that logic to you.

I get no racist shit. Why do you have to make it about racism? It could be about anything. Now listen, there's things you said about women in your life that if they were put on the big screen right now. You know what I said? I didn't say shit.

I don't know everything you ever said, but I can assume that you said things about women over the course of your life that if it was put on the news and they were to say, AD said this and the context was removed. I was raised. I was raised about women.

The context was removed. I was made to be as a, offensive as possible. Do you seriously think that that would then be an accurate representation of who you are as a person? You know who I am. You know who I am, no, bro. At the end of the day. But you're not extending that same sympathy to Shane Dawson. But she's saying, you don't even know. Listen, but I mean, but she's saying that the nigger doing all type of stuff. What, no, I agree. His humor at the time that he had millions of fans for was super offensive and I agree. His apology video, he didn't, he glossed over a lot of like before and detail. There you go. Okay, I'm going to do this. Because I heard him apologize for

There's just so many times that it's like unthinkable to me that he's still apologizing. But, look, look, R. Kelly, right? For example, right? Arkellie's a black person, right? Okay, he was getting allegations for years, years, years, years, years, years, years, years, once it was shed light on, it's like, okay, one is bad, two was bad, three is bad. Okay, this is disgusting now. When that, when it starts going into the 20s and the third, it's like, no, you hell responsible for that.

But you're talking about raping children in comparison to making offensive jokes in YouTube. videos. Yeah, but that's not cool. Playing around about raping children is absolutely not raping a child. They're incredibly different things. Not cool. Okay, but you're clearly obscuring the actual point here is that he was making offensive jokes for millions of people.

Listen, you said 15. She's saying he's 21. When you're 21, you know everything that you're doing, right? I just think that if you made an offensive joke 20 years ago, that you should not be able to be canceled for it. Is he 20? Did he do it 20 years ago? It was probably 10.

Probably 10. Okay. And how old was he when he did it? I don't know. He's probably 35 now. Okay, put it this way. Something. If I do a crime at 21,

I'm going to get the same jail amount of time as anybody else that's an adult at the end of the day. So you have to hold me to the same standard. Now, some people views may change. You just show them the other day. Somebody had a swastika on their biggest fuck on their chest and they turned it into a black fucking rose, right? Okay. It's funny because it's like, It's this big...

It's this big ass black and rose, right? Okay. Who you was? If you sit there and say right now, listen, this is who I was. This is not how I feel about this right now at the end of the day. Just like I told you earlier.

But this is the question. Do you think that people who did offensive things 10 plus years ago deserve to be canceled and have their entire career taken away from them because they made an offensive joke 10 years ago? Not, not. It depends on the context at the end of the day. Well, now you want context?

No, I'm just saying. That's like right now. Now, if I did something when I was 15 years old, right? If I did something that got brought to light and I'm like, you know what, that's not me at the end of the day. If I'm leaving the same breadcrumb trails multiple, multiple times for the same accusations, then that shit ain't cool. But, I mean, in the case of Shane Dawson, he spent however many, many, many years now

of being so outwardly making it clear that he disavows. He has apologized so many times for those jokes. He has made it so unbelievably clear. Yes, but you have to understand that the inner. internet in 2010 or earlier was an extremely different place. And there's, okay, there's countless jokes that would fly at the time.

Because again, millions of people saw these videos and didn't think this stuff was so offensive. The video that horrified the Smith family, millions of people saw. That's their daughter. I'm not denying that it's offensive as fuck. It's offensive as hell. Again,

millions of people saw it and nobody was offended, apparently at the time. I will give you this then. Watch this. Justin Bieber, when he said the little N-word song and all type of stuff like that, right? Do I think Justin Bieber is that person right now? No.

Should Justin Bieber be canceled for that? I don't think so. You feel me? He seemed like he was a little kid. He was ignorant to the situation at the end of the day. And that's not from him. That's from people around him. He probably thought that that was funny at the end of the day.

A 21-year-old man, no, the same shit don't apply for that. How old was Justin Bieber in that clip? He was probably damn. He probably was 11. No, he was a little kid. He was young, but he wasn't that young. Bro, he was not over 15 years old. Okay.

But I mean, I agree the amount of offensive shit matters, and I agree that the length of time matters. I agree that the age that you were doing it matters. My thing, my whole thing. Shane Dawson got famous for that kind of humor, at least initially. I'm going to give you somebody else. What's the nigga name, Ari Shafor, who said the terrible shit about Kobe when Kobe died at the end of the day. Right?

He's done a lot of bad shit. He has this shit called Amazing Racist at the end of the day. Like, he's laying the brouplets of what he does and how he feels. And then the fact that when Kobe Bryant dies, and it's a fucked up time at the end of the day, you're sitting there saying bad shit about Kobe at the end of the day. Nigel, fuck you. Yeah, and I heard him try to explain that. Fuck that, that, that's, like, his thing is that he likes to go on social media and just have the most offensive opinion.

If I see that nigga walking around that, LA, I'm going to beat the dog shit out of him. I mean, I'm not going to lie, but that's a very, very different scenario because that happened a year ago, or six months ago, or however long Kobe died. Like, I totally agree that the Arisufir thing was pretty horrible. I got Kobe tat on my head because I'm standing up for it. Nobody been not saying that about. He were also upset because he was so quick to, like, have a reaction to Tarty's video, but then, like, hasn't redressed the Smiths at all.

Right. But, I mean, the Smiths thing, again, it's pretty easy. But the things is that if he made a video explaining that, what's he going to say? He's going to say the same exact shit I'm saying, which is a long time ago. In context, I thought it was funny. I was totally wrong, blah, blah, blah. I think they're old an apology. That's what he would say.

Right. But the thing about Tati is that... But he should reach out to the family and do that. He feels that Tati is like 100% misrepresenting him, which I don't know if I believe. I'm not sure if I really side with her or James Charles and people leaders anyways. I don't fucking know. All I'm going by is what you told me and what Camgirl telling me and what Camgirl telling me make it... I'm like fucking with the nigga kid.

Okay, but let's put it this way. M&M. There's a bunch of different examples of Eminem using the N-word in songs saying bad things about black women, etc. He's really, really lucky that that stuff came out. in like 2003 and not 2020. Can you imagine if that came out today? Look where Eminem is from at the end of the day. And Eminem put on more black people

than a lot of motherfuckers at the end of the day. Do I think Eminem is a racist? No, at the end of the day. Do I think Eminem continue to do? No, he didn't do no shit like that. But you can use the same logic with James Charles is that, okay, yeah, he was making jokes about, I mean, whatever, but I mean, he's...

Okay, I mean, Johnson has helped a million people with their career. He's definitely done all kinds of positive. Why are we talking about black people? talking about him making pedophile jokes. Because he was acting like jerking off to a black person, 11-year-old black girl at the end of the day. But why? So he has to do reparations directly to the black community because of that he has to do reparations at the end of the day. But what I'm saying is that Shane Dawson has made it unbelievably clear that he is a good person.

There wouldn't be a lot of artists today if it wasn't for Eminem bringing them up. And he's still bringing black artists up at the end of the day. Okay. But I'm saying that Shane Dawson in his own right has done the same thing where he has helped a shitload of people in the community. Black people? Black people? Why are making it about black? You have to understand how funny that says.

It's not funny. I'm telling you. It is. Why does it only matter? Shane Dawson, who again, you don't actually know who he is. I don't know he is. Why does it only matter if he helps black people? Because I say he's helped a lot of people in general.

Because the people who he hurt, you get points from being a good person, not from helping out the specific beleaguered group. The people that you brought up, who the people hurt at the end of the day has helped out the same community that you were talking about. But there is absolutely no racial. context in that video of the Shane Dawson, whatever. But there's other ones where he's doing black face and has like... He's black facing, he's jerking off to an 11 year old girl.

That really like saying... But that's what I'm saying. But he was jerking off to an 11 year old girl. He's acting like he was gay. He's not jerking off to any girls. Why is, why are you making black face? Why are you acting like that with an 11 year old black girl? You think that anybody who's made offensive jokes deserves to have their entire career wiped out? No. But that's what you're saying. I'm not saying it. That's literally what you're saying. No. I'm saying. No. I'm saying, that one time, okay, it may be a mistake.

Two times. If you make the same joke repeatedly on camera, then that you deserve your career. If you keep doing all the same type of stuff you're doing. But what you're doing right now is setting up the same hypocritical standard. That's not hypocritical. Yes, it is. I just told you on fucking Archielly.

You have made jokes in your life. Granted, you don't know what I said. You didn't have a YouTube channel 10, 15 years ago. I've never made a pedophile joke in my life. I stand by that. You've never made a joke that would be offensive if it was viewed from an outside context. bro, I had my daughter when I was 19 years old. You're lucky that you didn't have a video

that you didn't have a YouTube channel 15 years ago. Bro, I never made pedophile jokes. That's not the question. The question is, have you ever made a joke that if it was removed from the entirety of the context would be viewed as offensive? Yes, you obviously have. We all have. Let me put it in this perspective for you.

When you go to jail, right, in the streets, in the black community, in the Latino community, if you go, no, matter of fact, black, black, white, It don't matter what fucking color you is. When you go to jail, the worst thing that you can be called in jail is a child predator at the end of the day. If you even play around like that, if you're a child predator, you're going to get fucked in your ass. You're going to get the shit beat out of you. You might get raped and killed when you go to prison at the end of the day.

Anybody that has child charges at the end of the day, they have to get put in protective custody so the inmates don't kill them. So being a nigger from the streets, and when you hear shit like that, that's something that you don't play around with. I was actually in jail and I seen somebody. I was actually in jail. Nobody has accused Shane Dawson of fucking a kid. It's just jokes that he made. I didn't say fucking a kid. Camgirl said that he's made plenty jokes like that at the end of the day.

So let's say right now, let's say he didn't touch not one kid. Nobody has ever suggested that he would do that. But why would you not joke around about stuff that is offensive? Like that fact that he wouldn't do it is probably why he felt comfortable making the joke in the first. I don't know, Cub. I don't feel like that was cool. Well, I don't think anybody thinks it was cool. But it's certainly, you know, at the time,

my whole thing, and this is my thing, is that I think it's really disingenuous to take somebody who's pretty clearly made it clear what kind of person they are in modern times and then have to go back 10 years and find offensive jokes they made 10 years ago to now ruin their lives. How do you feel about Bill Cosby?

He's a rapist. He drove and raped women. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Why do you think comparing Shane Dawson who made a bunch of offensive? Let me say this. Why do you think comparing Shane Dawson? No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Why do you think comparing Shane Dawson who made a bunch of offensive jokes to Bill Cosby who drugged and raped like 80 women? You're not listening. You're not listening. You're not listening. You're not listening. Explain to me how that makes sense. You just said your context was you're going to hold somebody accountable for the same person they was 20 years ago. Making a bunch of jokes that millions of people watched at that time and thought were funny versus drugging and raping 80 women.

You seriously think that's a good point? And then he got canceled and they got him the fuck out of here. He's in jail. I'm not saying that it's different at the end of the end of the end of the end of the end. It's very, very, very different. No, no. Unbelievable. Of course, it's different, 100%.

The type of charges are different. But your logic is something somebody did 20 years ago, they shouldn't be held accountable for that. Bill Cosby should be held accountable. Or Kelly should be held accountable. Shane Dawson should be held accountable at the end of the day. But what does being held accountable look like when you've already apologized for a million times? It doesn't matter. You are just making jokes.

He didn't rape anybody. There's not no joke. No, but it was a joke. He was trying to be funny, and apparently people thought it was funny since he had millions of followers for it. But Camgirl just said, he's done this plenty and plenty and plenty and plenty times.

Just even having a Sheney shirt that's your selling, you're making fun of black culture. I need a fact check on that because I refuse to believe that he actually was selling this shirt in any moment. Maybe at one point, maybe in 2010. Okay, I believe that. Choice TV. I have a hard time believing you're selling that recently.

I want to see this. that though but that's because i'm like listen this nigger sounds like a piece of shit listening to y'all too i can confirm that he's a good guy and i just don't think he deserves to be uh to have his entire life they pulled his books from amazon because he made some offensive jokes 10 years ago nigga

if you do that to 11 year old girl your book should be pulled you but you're lying about what he did i didn't lie and say nothing that's the character that he had currently on the but this isn't it's not even well that's not a black person it's not even a black face thing it's just that's a white face shenayne is a character character he played. I remember when he did the black face for sure. This is the best shirt I ever

worn. That's the first reveal. Chenet is a character that he was trying to like pretend to be like a black I remember. I remember. But I mean, you can't really say. The shirt came from him trying to imitate a black woman, right? But he's not, his skin's not even dark in the shirt. His skin's probably whiter than it is in real life in the shirt. I think if you watch the videos of him doing the Shennanei character would be really, really bad. I guess him selling a shirt like that is kind of odd. I wouldn't want to be drawing attention to the black face I did with a new shirt, even if he doesn't have black face on in that shirt. Anyway, you're saying he was jerking off to an 11 year old girl. Why is everybody so dead set on misrepresenting him? I didn't say that he jerked off. That I think is so bizarre

is that people want to just push a false narrative about him. People want to make it seem so much worse than what he actually did. How about this? Do you think that he said and done things to the black community, right? Personally, that's offensive. As a black. Black man, I don't like what he's doing. I don't like the shane-nate shit at the end of the day or even putting black face on the first place. As a black man, that shit is not cool. What is the appropriate punishment for making an offensive joke 10 years ago that now looks back?

I need to see. And listen, I don't know all the facts. So I'm not going to sit there and say, crucify this nigga. I ain't going to say all that. I want to see the facts. But based off of what you guys are telling me right now, fuck that nigga. That's how I feel. That's cool.

I just think overall that we need to be. I think society is a whole. would do better if they were a bit more sympathetic towards people who had YouTube channels 10 years ago and made jokes. I just told you today. I said, when Jimmy Kimmel, they sent them off. Why do you not want Jimmy Kimmel canceled?

He wore a blackface? But I don't think that Jimmy Kimmel tried to disrespect black people when he did the blackface at the time. So, okay. Robert Downey Jr. did black face. So you throw the rope to people you like. No, it's not.

And then you pull it away from people you don't like. You're jumping by a completely different standard. I don't even know Deshawn, nigga, bro. Right. But it makes no sense. sense why are you giving Jimmy Kimmel the rope and pulling it away from everyone else? He's not making child predator jokes. He made

tons of offensive jokes. He wore black face. That's what we're talking about. Okay, Robert Downing Jr. also did black face. I watched the movie. I thought it was funny at the time. Tropic Thunder was fucking funny. Even you thought it was funny at the time. Why are you so not capacitors to Shane Dawson? Because the niggas. Oh, my God.

Because it makes no sense. You're telling us that you thought it was funny when other people did it. No. But then you refused to acknowledge that. I didn't see the Jim & Kimmel shit. I'm saying, when I seen it, tropic thunder. I thought it was funny when Robert Downey Jr. did that. So then what's the difference between people thinking that it was funny for Shane

Dawson to wear black face all those years ago too? What's the difference? There is no difference. There's absolutely no difference. He's acting like he's jerking to a fucking 11 year old black girl. A's underage black girl. It was an offensive joke. It's offensive as fuck. The black face that these people wore in this movie that Robert Downey Jr. were offensive, right?

I didn't take offense to it. You didn't take offense to it. But what's the difference? What's the difference? Let's focus on just the black face. If you see the movie. Why do you cancel one person for blackface and not another? I'm not cancel. Because you like one and you don't like that. No.

I didn't say cancel Shane Dawson for an old blackface shit he did. I'm saying my whole thing is the child predator shit. I don't fuck with that all. I don't think nobody that plays around with that. Should, I mean, I don't feel nobody that does that shit have any merit to say anything. If he did the blackface shit at the end of the day, I said, you know what? Maybe at the time he was ignorant. He didn't know that shit.

The fact that you're doing. black face. You're acting like you're jerking off to a black little girl. That was 11 years old at the time. And you making shenay-nay shirts and doing all type of shit. You're really showing you making fun of my people. So fuck you. I'm telling you, that's how I feel. You're naked shit. Dosset out to be

a fucking clansman. I don't know him. But then why you want to, you're saying I'm talking about based off of what y'all give me about a niggas. It makes very little sense to say that you don't know him. But you do think he deserves to be canceled. Off of what y'all giving me right now. That is my basic assumption right now. That's all I'm saying.

I need to see facts. You don't feel like it's like crazy like that. Camgirl's like, this is fucking crazy. I think people need to be more sympathetic towards people who made offensive jokes over a decade ago. The difference of fucking parallels. You guys have difference. I'm asking you guys to question why you're so

happy to cancel certain people and not other people when they did exactly the same thing. And what did I just say? Because you like one and you don't like the other. No, I said because the child predator shit, I don't fuck with it at all. So anybody who's ever made a joke about anything like that, they can never have a job? They can never have a career.

But you don't really believe that. You have to question what beliefs you're putting forth because I know you don't really think that. Because if you thought that, then there's so many other people that have made similar jokes. Okay, Biggie said he's going to take your kids and fuck him in the ass and throw him off the bridge.

What's wrong with that? Biggie talked about fucking kids. AD, AD, Biggie wrote songs about fucking kids in the ass and then killing them. It's true, right? It's true. It's true. Lead is out of it.

Tell me, tell me, him wrong. I didn't hear it. It's a fact. I didn't hear it. I grew up listening to the song. I've heard it in recent times. Nick, you only listened to R&B. I don't hear you. I don't know. I think I've officially cornered you into admitting that. No, I didn't hear it. So I'm not going to take offense to this. Are you fucking kidding me. You never heard fucking in the ass to throw him over the bridge. No. Biggie said, I know some real who's going to kidnap kids, fuck him in the ass, throw him over the bridge. He said he knows some. He didn't say that he was going to do it. So you just fucked up what you were supposed to say? No, I didn't.

Did Biggie say that he did that? Why is it okay for Biggie to say that he's friends with a bunch of guys who will rape kids and kill them? He didn't say he was friends with him. I don't remember exactly how it was phrased, but. Did Biggie say that he messed with kids? No. No, but he said he's got a lot of friends that will fuck your kid. Do not lie on Biggie.

That's not worse than Shane Dawson? Did Shane Dawson act like an insinuate he was jerking on to 11-year-old girl? Yes. Did Biggie do anything like that? No. So the point is stupid. He bragged on a record about it. He said he knows somebody.

He knows somebody. It's not the same. We got a real back. But it was a heated conversation. Jesus Christ. I think you need to work on your compassion. I think you guys should just agree to disagree. We always do this though.

No. agreeing to disagreeing, that would be the worst podcast ever. Me and Adam always getting to a doubt. I don't know how to wrap this up without saying that. What? You guys aren't going to come to terms on feel the same way about this. That's fine. No. My opinion is a opinion.

My opinion is that people are being canceled a little too liberally. And my opinion is people that act like they... You think people aren't being canceled enough. We're going back. No, I didn't say that. When did I say that? When did I say that? When did I say that?

I'm going to go to rap genius, artist AD. I'm going to search every offensive word I can find on the AD discography and we're going to find some jokes and then we're going to cancel you next week. That's my idea. You cancel me next week. I'm shooting no jumper up. There ain't going to be no podcast. Anybody who watches this, hopefully he will.

won't remember to go through and search search AD's Twitter and find every offensive joke you can ever find. Let's cancel AD 2020. Let's cancel me. Okay. Search it. We actually didn't even get to the Tiger story, but I think we're just going to leave that one alone because this is already a long one, right?

It's like two and a half hours. Me and Adam always get into it, though. We have had arguments that were too hot to put on camera. There's nothing in comparison. No, really? Yes. I'm glad I was here to witness it. We get into it.

The Adams fucking fighting white and black. That was racist. Your counsel. White and black Adam. You better capitalize black. Oh, my God. Listen, this is the thing. I am not ignorant

to people's opinions at the end of the day. Adam, where he comes from, is a totally different place where I'm from. All I can do is try to show him where I'm coming from

with my thinking. That is it. I understand. I know he's a good guy. I'll fuck with him. I wouldn't be here if I anything think he was a good guy.

We come from two different perspectives. We have, no, but that is one thing I would say I really like about AD is we have intense fucking arguments and then it just goes back to normal after

which there are people in my life who I love to argue like I love to have a vigorous debate but I have a lot of people in my life who if you have a vigorous debate about something that to them is basically like you attacking them and like you're not cool after that and to me it's like no we picked something we argued about it and then once we're done discussing that thing everything goes back to normal and not a lot of people

get down like that I'm from the streets I got down we get down with all of our homeboys like we really beat the shit out of each other that we hug afterwards, we shake hands. That's homies. That's brotherhood. I look at you like a homie and brotherhood. We can have a heated debate. You feel me?

Yeah, because you don't want to fight me. And we can shake and we can shake hands. You might not show up to Moitza the next day. Pow! This has been the No Jumper show. Shout to AD for filling it. House phone's at home like, oh, I wish I was the one having that conversation.

House phone ain't going to do what I'm going to do. No, I think he would have laid down at a certain point. It would have been a little bit more agreeable. It wouldn't have gotten such a pitch. I'm just saying, you know, you know me, bro. I can have a, heated conversation with you without you getting offended. I'm getting offended.

I'm not going to leave here and be like, fuck that nigga. Elephant in the room. You know what I'm saying? You are the elephant in the room. But also the other elephant in the room is that Adam 42 has been accused of a whole bunch of shit and had a whole lot of jokes. And what if I said? But a whole lot of jokes that I made then characterized as me literally thinking those things.

What was the first thing I did when people were sitting there hitting me up saying, Adam is this, Adam is this, Adam is this. What did your boy AD do? I tweeted. Adam is not no racist and he ain't got no racist bone in his body You feel what I'm saying? Because that's how I honestly feel

You feel what I'm saying? He has a lot of black people He just, we just had a black girl Come over here and try for a new position At the end of the day So Adam actually, he helps us And I say that shit all the time Look, he helps us

But he's so happy right now I know he's happy But I tell him this shit all the time No I mean to me honestly It's weird because I know it's like Super Corny when people say I don't see color but like I've never hired anyone

because they were black or I've never like hired anyone for any racial reasons ever it's kind of strange to me that be I don't see color either I don't want to think about the world that way I see everybody the fucking same it don't matter if you're black, white, gay, straight whatever the fuck the situation may be

I judge people on who they are as people at the end of the day because there ain't shit people in every category if we get down to that shit I know you personally I fuck with you personally and I know your heart at the end of day your energy doesn't strike me as being a bad guy or down with whatever at the end of the day you feel me I wouldn't be here if I thought that that was a situation so that's all I'm saying let's stop out racism 20 20 guys let's do it we got Korean girls we got black dudes white dudes

yeah his shirt fuck racism that's an interesting shirt from empire and by the way who's the money you you donated money to the fun but also I lived downtown for all those years I don't think I ever gave a motherfucker change. But at the end of the day, at the end of the day, me and you off camera, we have certain topics that me and you talk about and we bump heads about at the end of the day. And it's all only because, listen, if you were born, right? I'm just going to give example. If you were born, your family were white supremacists and they didn't like black people,

they didn't like black people, they didn't like black people. And you was bred to like that, to be like that at the end of the day, that is not, I can understand that. if you come from two different sides of the spectrum, I know you growing up. You probably didn't have a lot of black people in your community, right? Right. Right. Yeah.

So there's probably a lot of people that played around and said black shit and all type of stuff at the end of the day, right? When you were growing up at the end of the day. Now, now that you're in hip hop and you meet people, you meet niggas like me where you're like, hey, I like AD. That's my guy at the end of the day, right? The same way that people are, like you said, back then, I'm not going to judge you or I'm not going to judge you or I'm.

I'm not going to judge other people off in that shit. But when you reach a certain age, certain shit don't fly. And if it happens one time, you can be forgiven for something one time, as long as it's not just drastically. But when you do something, two, three, four, five, that's like I said, Archie. But what if the thing didn't seem offensive at the time and then it seems offensive in 2020? Okay, go. Okay, look, and you're right about that.

Because that, let's face it, society standards have changed a buckload. I just finished watching the office, right? and they's talking about bringing the office back. And Michael says, Steve Carell, he says, I don't think that we can bring it back because he don't want to water down what they did and a lot of the jokes that they made

would be offensive now. A lot of the jokes on the office today would be considered offensive. It's kind of shocking that nobody wore blackface on the office. They did like 10 seasons and nobody ever wore blackface. Kind of did. Did they?

DeWite did something similar, but he didn't put on blackface. He was another character. but that was a thing back then. In 2020, nobody should be wearing blackface. Nobody. Just because it's so obvious what's going to happen to your career. That's like in 2022.

No one should be making gay jokes in 2020. Nobody should be making child predator things in 2020. Nobody should be wearing blackface. Nobody should be making race and crimes in 2020. The question is just how we judge people who did so in 2010, even if they've given us many reasons to believe that they are not that person. But social media was not prominent back then. Now everything that's old is new.

Now everything that's in your faith. face, people are being held accountable for it. Yeah. I just think people deserve to be, I think people should be a little bit more compassionate before they just really want to ruin somebody's life over some shit that was considered an acceptable joke 10 years ago. I think like AD said, because social media wasn't as prevalent before, that, you know, you're trying to say that like millions of people watch the shit and no one was offended.

I think people had to be offended. They just, we didn't have more. and didn't have a voice to even voice their opinion at the time. I mean, how did they not have a voice? Like, the magazines existed, websites existed. What you mean? Like other YouTube videos existed. It's not like there was nobody getting offended by shit 10 years ago.

But when you're getting millions and millions and millions and millions of views at the end of, there's kids right now that cannot hit Adam up and say, hey, I'm offended. You don't have the time to read through everything. I'm pretty sure people sit there and tell you all the time. I don't like this, Adam. I don't like this, Adam. I don't like this. I don't like this.

It's not to people strike up that they have a voice. And I don't think that there's a magazine coverage on YouTube. No, but like, you know who's getting the most retweets talking shit about Shane Dawson? Twitter accounts with like 20 followers. It's not like you need a platform to raise awareness about something that's going on. How many of them 20 followers? Huh? It's a lot of them, right?

20, like the number. No, he's saying how many different accounts with just 20 followers. Those are common people. A lot of people don't have a lot of followers. There are some people that got... But what I'm saying is that the people who called out Shane Dawson who are making the most noise about this are...

It's not like they didn't have a voice then and now they have a big voice. No, they never had a voice. Like, it's random people just going viral off just talking about the shit. But when people band together, that's when shit... The lights get shed on. Just for example, Carol Baskin, right? Carol Baskin are running around freely.

It's not until everybody see Tiger King's shit. They're like, that bitch probably killed their fucking husband. This we really can't get into because I'm going to have to give you the explanation for why Carol... Carol Bowskin is the hero of that story. Oh, God. I don't know. Joe Exotic's the demon.

Joe Exotic is dope. That's a clever documentary because they convince people like you to think that Joe Exotic was a hero and Carol Baskin was the devil. I think they're all the devil in that situation. I don't know. I'm team Carol.

I didn't say Joe is example of anything. We got to get out of here because I'm already 10 minutes late for this fucking phone call I was supposed to do. Well, he didn't even text me. So cool. Fuck it. I appreciate you guys.

This was fun. Next episode 50. Woo.