No Jumper - The Offset Jim Interview: Coming Up in Oakland, Rich Off The Pack, Moving to NYC & More

Episode Date: October 19, 2021

#OffsetJim talks about his upbringing, coming up in Oakland, taking music seriously couple years ago, relationship with AllBlack, #RichOffThePack and more! https://www.instagram.com/1offsetjim/ https://twitter.com/Offset_jim ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today, got a very talented young man taking over the streets, offset gym in the building. What's the deal, my boy? How you feeling? Good, good. Thank you for having me. No, yeah, definitely.

It's actually kind of a weird coincidence because I became a big fan of your music because of the fact that a bunch of the guys who work here are always playing your shit. And then coincidentally, you just happen to have like your first album in a couple years dropping right now, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's pretty a pretty safe. If I have to say so myself. Perfect timing.

Definitely. Tell the people a little bit about where you're coming from out in Oakland. Shit, I'm from Oakland, California, East Oakland, to be exact. I grew up in a neighborhood called the Murder Debs. East 22nd, 19-5. That's where I've been my whole life. Right. Was it called that when you were a kid, too?

It went from Rolling 20s to the Murder Debs to, to, the twamps, but you know. Right. Right now, currently it's the murder deaths, but it's still all the same shit. What's it like these days? There's a lot of energy around there when you were coming up and shit?

Hell yeah. Hell yeah, it's dangerous. It's like any other hood in America. Right. Any other hood. It's the same shit, no matter where you're at. So when you were a kid,

did it occur to you, like I'm living in a very violent place or I need to be careful? Because it was so normal. Like, you didn't think like that. Like, it was just because I didn't, that's all I knew. I didn't know nothing else.

I didn't even know. like poor. I thought everybody lived like that. Right. I thought it was normal until my stepdad used to do like constration and like the rich, like Oakland Hills type shit, but I never knew about that shit. I thought it was just my area

and other areas. I didn't know it was like rich people around. I didn't know how broke we was until we picked him up from work and he was working on the house and I they let me walk around the house because they were still building it and I had walked into the kids room. I'm like, damn.

damn they shit big as my living room and then I had to go back home to 22nd I'm like damn we poor right there's always those moments because you have no idea like what your life really is until you see it from the perspective of somebody else definitely that's crazy I was listening to you doing the sway interview and that was pretty crazy because he's from literally the same exact block as you but probably 20 years earlier yeah his mind live on my block really his mom been living there I moved in like 97 and his mom been there before I was there. But, you know, the whole, that was always the saying, like, oh, that's swayed mind from MTV.

But, you know, we never, I ain't seen. I never used to see him like that. You know, even if he, when he did come around, I were missing. Right. So I used to think people was lying. Like, all that ain't his mama. I was like, she don't live there there, but it ended up really being his mom, and she still lived here to this day.

That must have been kind of crazy having that as like an urban legend. Yeah, that was crazy. Damn. She still lived here to this day. Definitely. Damn, that's amazing. But, okay, so you growing up, though, like, what was, like, an average day when you were a young kid, though, like, were you kind of, like, after school? Like, what kind of stuff would you begin to when you were, like, really young and, like, impressionable?

Like, elementary? Yeah. Like, I was always, like, fascinated by shit. I was kind of nosy. Like, I knew what everything was. I knew what every type of thing was. You know, my parents was in the game. My mom, my stepdad, my mom.

father like they was all in the game you know and you know you think that kids might not see shit but they see everything like and i wasn't like i knew where everything was i knew about all that type of shit but shit like coming home from school was like you know i got my friends that's all from my block my cousins and shit come on play but my block was like a spot where like you got young dudes like not too much older than me like in their teens back then they was selling dough and shit. So it was like, you know, we come on, we see that, but it's normal. Like, we know all of them. They know us. Like, you know, they give us dollars and shit. Like, we knew that they was in the shit, but I don't know, it was just so normal to us. Would your parents have never admitted to you

that they were hustling? And did you kind of just have to put the pieces together in your head? No, they never, they didn't just tell me, like, they didn't have to. Right. Because shit, I was around them all the time. Like, they didn't really had too much babysitters like that. Right. So I seen everything. So, they, even if they, they, even if they just, you know, tried to hide it. Like, I still would see it. Right. I wasn't, I wasn't stupid. Was there anybody else who's, like, well-known that was from your block, aside from the Sway connection? I mean, nah, not to his level. Okay. Not to his level. You know, you got a lot of, you got a lot of famous, like, hustlers. Right. But not, like, nobody doing no positive shit, like no music shit or no public figure or

nothing like that, just like street legends. How long have you known all black? Shit, since we was kids. We went to elementary together. So you guys were actual children together. you were rapping together. That's kind of crazy. I'm from 22nd and 19. He's from 22nd and field. So, you know, that's like a couple blocks away. Right.

So we all went to the same elementary school, played on the same baseball team, all that shit. He'd been around me like over 20 years. Were you friends, like close friends when you were young or did it happen more when you were a little older? Nah, we've been around. We've been together since we was like kids, kids.

Right. It was always cool since baseball, camping, like, from the same hood. Like, the hood, like, it's big, but it's small. Right. Like, anybody who grew up here, like, we all know each other. Right. Was there, like, a real sort of, like, you know, you go to certain hood, certain blocks,

and there's, like, a real family vibe where it's like everybody kind of looking out for each other, taking care of each other. Was it more along those lines? Hell yeah, especially on my block. I could walk in any house on that block. Right. We all, like, you know, we started off as friends, but, you know, we all growing to family. Right.

So it's, like, it's real close-knit. Definitely. So, okay, going into high school and shit, what? what was life like and what kind of kid were you becoming in high school yeah i was already who i was like i was already like i was already into shit like right going a juvenile whole fighting you know that's when i start like picking up like way more on street shit early though like even earlier before high school like middle school late middle school that's when i start like dibble and dabbling right you're starting to like were you real focused on getting

money or yeah what's your mentality like getting money. Like that was, because that's what I grew up around. I grew up around like hustlers. Right. So it's like, that's all I was thinking about.

Even when I was in school, like I was always find something to sell at school. So it was like, all right, if I'm going to go to school, I'm going to at least get money because I don't want to skip school. And you feel me to go to the block, I could just,

I could make that same money in school. Right. While I'm getting my education. Because that's one thing I kept hearing about you when I was asking people about questions. Everybody's like, you know, Jim, Jim's really out here.

But Jim's really good at keeping his bullshit out of the public eye. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't put too much in my, that type of shit out there like that. You know, that's, that type of shit is for the streets. So that's where it's going to stay. That's good, though. A lot of people might have that attitude, but not be able to keep their image a little bit more clean.

Yeah, definitely. I try to keep it clean as possible. Right. What I go through in the street is what I go through in the street. I ain't going to bring it, like, to my place of business. Right. You know, this rapping is like my job now, so. That's how you view it?

Yeah, like, it's like my job now. For sure. What, okay, but so when did you actually start thinking about rap? Like, were you rapping super young? Do you start rapping with All Black? Yeah, you could say that, yeah. He, like, he made me take it serious. Like, we was always rapping, playing around and shit,

but never to the level, like, where he wanted to take it. We wasn't thinking like that. Like, I wasn't. And one day he called me to the studio. He was working on No Shame. No Shame 2 at the time. And, you know, I haven't been rapping on no shit like that. I really came to support him.

And when I came, he just was like, get in there. I was so scared with so many people there. I'm like, hell no. And he made me do it, and I'm glad he did. Really? Shit, that night changed my life. Having a rap around that many people must have been pretty nerve-wracking. Hell yeah.

When you hadn't really done it before. Hell yeah. And they was already, they was already rapping. Like, they already had little names and shit. Right. So it was like, I went in there. I took like two, three hours on one verse. Really?

So the whole studio was like, but I finally finished that shit. And it was like, I ain't think nothing of it. Mm. Until we was in San Jose one night on a late night, too. It was probably like three in the morning out of Denny's. Some Mexican kids came up to me. First they was looking at me.

I'm like damn what they looking at he was like ain't you all said gym like yeah like how you know that like oh yeah this him this him he from the song and like you feel me like just seeing how happy they was to see me so you shot a video for a right of way no we never shot a video to the shit that's why i was wondering how the fuck did they know me so they heard the song and then like went and found you on social media or something yeah they had to but my social media wasn't even that big i probably had like 5 000 followers at that time it was so long ago so that was like the first time you remember getting a little taste of what notoriety would be like just seeing how happy they was to see me it was like it blew me away right so I'm like shit maybe I

should take it serious because they taking me serious why do you think all black wanted you to rap so bad you know I already had the streets mm-hmm already had the streets behind me before I was rapping me and me and my group of friends like we got the streets like and nobody was rapping right like we had all the shit that that these rappers got before even me even touching the mic like we was already accustomed to you know certain and shit and the city know that. So I don't know. He just threw me in the loop at the right time.

Do you consider him more of like the creative, the artist, and that he appreciated you for other reasons? Because like a lot of times that's why I like you guys on song so much is that his flow is a little bit more all over the place. He's sort of bouncing all over the track, whereas your shit is a little bit more straightforward, but it was like a real charm to it. Yeah, yeah, that's how he is. We got good-ass chemistry together when it comes to music, probably because we've been so

cool for so long. Like, I don't got no problem telling him about itself and he don't got no problem telling me about myself, especially on the song. Like, you know, we're going to go hard on each other to bring out the best in each other. And that's why it shows on the music that we do. Right. When did you guys really start to put some shit out that got a lot of attention, though? Like, when did it really start to blow up a little bit? Canadian goose. That shit took us around the world. Really? It took us around the world and back. And that was like, once I seen that, I'm like, okay. Maybe we can't get out of this shit. Maybe we can't go somewhere.

And yeah, that's when we start. So you weren't, you know, you make it sound like you already were seeing money and being comfortable to a certain extent from, you know, not even being in the entertainment business. But were you still motivated? Like, you realize that the streets might not be taking care of you in the long term? Who want to be in the streets day of life? You usually don't work out like that. Yeah, like, who want to do that day of life? When you could do something else that's fun.

And you could bring all your people along with you for the whole time. ride. Like that's what I'm in it for. I'm in it for me and my people. Like I love traveling off music. Like for me, I got all my all my people's with me so they could, I got to have my people with me so they could see this shit too. Like that's what I'm in it for. It ain't just about me. It's bigger than me now. Like this shit could change me and everybody around me life. Was there like a certain point where you started to realize that you were meant to be something greater than the vision that you had had for yourself, like your whole life, like, you realize, like, I can really, like, be a voice for the world that I come from instead of just being a part of

that. Yeah, when, like, once I've seen people, like, really taking me serious and, like, really, like, hell excited to see me just stop and taking pictures. Because, you know, that takes a lot to see somebody that you listen to on the daily, and, you know, asking for a picture or anything, because, you know, some people don't like that shit. Like, they'll tell you know. It's probably not that many people you would ask to take a photo with you, right? Nah, not too many, but, you know, if you do that, it take a lot, though.

Like, that takes some courage to ask somebody for a picture or anything because you don't know what they might say. And as you get more and more famous, it's easier and easier to get jaded to that shit. But you do, like, need to stay focused on that and realize how special that is. Like, most people go through the whole life never having somebody else to take a picture with it, you know? Any of that, like, people just to tell you, like, man, your music be getting me through shit. Like, I be, I listen to your music and I just, I just. just get focused and run it up. Like, that type of shit motivates you and make you want to just keep doing it

because now you feel like there's people out there that you might not even know that you don't even see, but they depending on you. Like, they depending on your word to get them through the day. Yeah. So that type of shit just had me like, okay, I'm going to take it serious because they're taking me serious. How'd you go about taking a series though? You just start recording all the time or what that process looked like.

I just had to kick back from all this shit I was doing outside of music and just really focus on that. Like, I had to really just single in on that shit. So you took a step back from all the other stuff you were doing a while ago because I was seeing that you just wrote online that you feel like Ace Boogie when he quit the cleaners, which to me made me feel like, oh, okay, he's very much still in the middle of this transformation. Okay. I mean, shit, I'm a working progress for, I'm just, you know, taking this shit day by day.

Right. Taking this shit by day by day. You related to Peyton Full, though, even though it's based in New York, that was a movie that met something new as a kid yeah yeah I like that movie everybody that's like from a hood got that same kind of story so it's like relatable like the shit that they went through in that movie people go through all around the world and every hood from my hood in Oakland east Oakland west Oakland North Oakland like anybody can relate to that story because everybody knows somebody that's you know getting money get killed or whatever like everybody know it's relatable right so no matter what state

you in this you're gonna relate to that type of shit. that stand out to you from your childhood that they were very, very big influences? Belly, Goodfellas, Scarface, all that type of shit. I like them type of movies. But I like documentaries, too, though. Really? That's my main shit. Yeah, I watch hell of documentaries, though, on all types of shit.

Like, I got an open-ass mind. So I just, like, anything I think I want to know about, I look it up and read about it. Yeah, same thing here. I was thinking the other day how there's got to be like a website or a newsletter that tells you about all the new documentaries that come out because a lot of times they'll be on hulu they're on netflix they're on hbill all different platforms yeah but i need like something that's going to tell me about all the new documentaries because i fucking love that shit when i find one about a topic i'm really interested in which it don't even have to be something that i'm like

directly related to and i'll just be fascinated what you've been fucking with dude i seen the most insane documentary ever called tickled what is about basically about this creepy-ass dude who was like convincing all these dudes to make vogue videos where they get tied up and tickled. What the fuck? It's way crazy than it sounds because it's not really about the fact that he was making these videos is about the fact that he was like, then if anybody did anything to try to get those videos taken offline, he would like destroy their life.

What the fuck? It was scary, bro. It was a real story? This is a real story. Tickled. I can't get it out of my head just because it really made an impression on me. Take that out. What about you?

You got any good recommendations? I got all types of shit. I ain't going to, I get deep. I get to, I get just looking at it. that like I'd be liking to know like about ancient history and shit like that like where we came from type of shit. Then I get so deep like you know how YouTube is. You watch one that's some whole other shit pop up. Oh yeah.

Some shit about aliens and there'll be some shit about like animals. I'd be watching all the type of shit though. You got high hopes for animals or for, not for aliens? Like do I think that shit real? Yeah. Yeah. The fuck. It's the galaxy biggest shit.

We ain't the only people out here. It just freaks me out that they haven't been able to find any yet. You don't think so? I mean, I haven't seen any great evidence of it. You got to go check out some documentaries and some good ones. The shit that trips me out is that there used to be so many animal sighted, or animal, so many alien sightings back when the cameras were trash and nobody had good cameras. And now everybody got an iPhone in their pocket.

And whenever, like, there's, like, no alien sightings anymore. Like, people just don't really see them like that. And if they did, you would just have a video of it because you have your phone in your pocket. But also, the other thing is, I feel like if we're going to find aliens, we're going to find them with a fucking telescope out on their planet before they show up here. Don't you think? Yeah. You got to watch some Dr. Williams.

I'm going to see some shit after this. I'm going to put you all that trip. I want to ask this, too, though. What was the music you remember from, like, you know, elementary school, high school? What was the soundtrack to your childhood? Elementary was definitely, like, shit, like, hot boys. Definitely them. I remember them the most, like, shit like that.

That was, like, my favorite group of all the time. Right. Our boys definitely. And then you get a little older high school. High school, we was off, like, middle school and high school was off old school, a little busy. Okay. Like my whole city was off that. We was off a little busy all the tough.

And Webby. Right. They had some crazy shit going to that. The city going crazy. Do you remember a point where you realize like, oh, damn, like the music scene up here, Northern California in general, Oakland, specifically, that there was a lot of dope stuff coming out? Yeah, I mean, at that time, from you, from you, you had shit like the hyphy movement going on. You feeling with that? it back then it was cool for that time

you know but it's like that ain't what we do now why do you think that died up I mean shit it was just some shit that only the bay could relate to and maybe a few other places but it was like really a bay thing really an Oakland thing like a bay thing but I don't know like people still think that's what we all that's what we do though

anytime you mention like the bay they mention the hyphy movement with it but it's like you know that was back then that was 2007, eight, six, and all that type of shit. It was old. I think it's kind of weird that L.A. had the jerking movement and shit. And both scenes had like this sort of positive, dancing, friendly type of wave going, but then it always seems to get canceled out

by people preferring to be on some gangster shit or some hustling shit. Everybody ain't out here dancing and shit. Yeah. That should be like, I feel like that type of should be like for a certain little age group. after a while people might grow out of that. Because then if you got a chief keef on the other side of your town,

it's like realistically motherfuckers are going to end up gravitating towards the shit that's more dangerous and more gangster, you know? Exactly. Yeah. It's a weird world. Okay, so you finished high school or how did that go? Yeah, I finished high school. I didn't miss a day at that school.

You didn't miss a day? Nah, I probably did, but I didn't want to. It was a good school. I mean, shit, I went to a couple of schools, but the school I graduated from was like a good school. Okay. It was the best school you could go to, around that time.

Do you consider going to college or anything like that? I mean, I thought about it. But it was like, I knew what I wanted to do when it didn't really had nothing to do with school like that. So you were already focused on the music by that point? No. Oh, okay. It was before all that.

It was before that. I wasn't even thinking about this shit. I didn't start just taking this shit serious to like two years ago, three years ago. Right. So it wasn't even a thought back then. Yeah, because I remember you coming to the store on Melrose when All Black did his fucking interview

way back in the day. And I remember him telling us a lot about you and I remember us watching your videos and stuff. But at that time, were you not, like, fully taken on the challenge? I was just starting. Like, I had just barely started. I probably had, like, four songs out at the time, like just singles.

Right. Probably, like, one video, two videos. I wasn't even, I was just trying to get 10,000 views on YouTube. I wouldn't even know, no serious. I ain't think it'd go to, like, I didn't think I would be here. I was just trying to get 10,000 views on YouTube That's all I wanted Definitely

Would you say that it was like other people believe in you That wanted you to keep pushing your career? Yeah Even before I started A lot of my cousins That's shit Like my cousin would tell me like man They're gonna love you

Like once you start they're gonna love you Like He would always tell me that But I didn't get it until I did it And then once I did it I see like oh he knew what he was talking about Right. So were you doing a good amount of traveling before you actually really started to make it as a rapper? Yeah.

You talk about a lot of trip taking and whatnot. Yeah, yeah. I love sighting in. Yeah, I've been in a few places. Where's your favorite places that you've been in the country? I love New York. I love, like, what else? D.R. I had a hell of fun in the D.R. Really? Yeah. I got a wild story about the D.R. too.

Let's hear it. Should I tell them about Dior? They all nod. I was in Dominican Republic. This probably was like 2017 or something like that. I wasn't rapping at that time either. Okay.

I had been out there, whatever, and it was this older lady that was there. You know, I was with a group of people, and she was with a separate group of people. It was an older lady out there, and you know how they take you? You ever been out of the country? Yeah.

You know how they take you? you on them little tours and they might take you through the slums and there be our little kids that be begging and shit. Okay. So I end up giving one of the little kids my shoes and shit. So basically I walk back to the resort with no shoes on just socks. Island bops. So this lady was really sizing me up, like trying to, you know, count my pockets.

Later on we go to the club, she in a separate section, she slipped her hand, like through the little rope thing and go in my pocket. Give me for some money. So I end up going back to the resort Seeing the lady Whatever happened And she had like a dude cousin with her Man this nigga stood up

And it's like he ain't stopped standing up That nigga was like six foot six and some shit I'm like fuck what I'm gonna do like Me and him just in the fighting It was bad I got a video that shit I'll show you that shit So are you the nigga air off the police came You got on your Mike Tyson shit

Yeah he was too big I had to make him feel me before they broke it up. I, like, what can I do so this nigga gonna remember me? Were you like, how many people were you with, or were you basically alone? Nah, I was with, I was with one person, one other person. Right.

Like the group I was with, they stayed at the club because I told them I was leaving to go look for the lady who took my money. Right. Shit. I'm guessing you didn't get the money back? No, I got it back in blood. Uh-huh, all right.

What about, how much money was it? A couple thousand? It was like something, it was something like shit. But it was just the fact that they took it from me. Right. Like pickpocketing me. That's the crazy shit out of the country, though. Because even if you do have a girl doing some shasty shit,

you don't know if she got some fucking dude waiting around the corner. Nah, she was with a group of people, like I said. And he seen the confrontation we had. Right. And he just, you know, got involved. Wow. That's fucking crazy. It's a crazy story.

You never had to deal with a girl trying to pull some bullshit on you like that in the States? No. Thank God. I don't be going through that type of shit. A girl's greasy like that up in no place? Yeah, everywhere, all over the world. You got that type of shit everywhere. Rio, the young OG, told me that the girls are stabbing dudes in their sleep.

What? I mean, he made me scared that that might happen to me. That's some passionate type of shit right there. Yeah, like they find out you're cheating or something, so they stab you in your sleep. Who told you that? Rio, the young OG? Oh, shit. They got some shit going on there.

You spent much time in Detroit? Man, I still ain't been in Detroit. Really? I'm cool with all them niggas, but I still ain't been up there. All of them, and I'm fucking never been there. Yeah, I ain't never been there. Like, never. Is that, like, a weird relationship at this point where, like, seems like Oakland and Detroit

got a little bit of a little bit of common ground at this point? Yeah, it's, but should have been like that before? Like, like, what the older dudes? Like, so I hear, like, E40 was cool with them older dudes from Detroit. Right. Like, they always identified themselves as, like, Oakland and Detroit being, like, cousins. So it's no surprise that we still fuck with them today. Right.

Our sound is so similar. And now it's crazy like seeing the world except in Detroit because it's like they open in the gates for certain artists in the Bay too. Right. So it's, I fuck with that shit, don't. How'd you end up with a babyface Ray on that record that's kind of going crazy right now?

He fuck with that. Oh, yeah. He's amazing. He's so good. You two together are so good. You should be a group. Them my boys. I fuck with him.

Right. Like, how did I start fucking with him now? Yeah, like when you, or that song in particular. How did that song come about? I don't know. I just did it and I heard him on it. I'm like, yep, right. I need to get on this. Sent it to him.

You know, I've been fucking with them for a long time. I've been fucking with Peezy and them, like, since they first ever came to Oakland. I was there with him. Really? Yeah, so it's like, we've been locked in, like, before I was even rapping. Damn. You have a long history. Kind of.

For sure. Yeah, like, was that, like, did you have to think about that? Like, now you're actually a rapper. Like you have to think about, I'm going to do a project. I got to get some hot rappers on this project to make sure that people want to check my project out. Is that kind of odd for you to be in the position now of like, all right, I'm going to call in that favor to Babyface Ray. Just make sure that I can get this for this project. Nah, it's cool because it's like we already, you know, we already be communicated on some other shit.

So it's like, it's nothing. Like, we all look at this rap shit. It's like this. Like, this shit don't be nothing. Like it's fun to us. So it's like a favor ain't nothing. We call and get favors from each other anytime. Like, Peezy had called me any time of the day.

I call him anytime of the day. Like, I'm cool with all of them, blue, all of them. Like, we got a good relationship outside of music, so. So how did you end up working with my British, UK, white boy friend, H? I know H. I know H from the UK. We got, like, millions of views from the shit we did with him out on the UK and shit. Yeah, that's my boy.

People love him. H had reached out to me on Instagram one day. Like, I wasn't even too familiar. with like shit out there right so uh h had reached out to me he had tagged me in the post he was playing my song he was playing no pressure and um shit he called he was calling me the goat i'm like who is this like i had to figure out who he was and then um i just hit him like what's up like he hit me back and just told me like he fuck with my shit and i'm like damn like you way on the other side of the world like how you even hear about me and he just we just was talking about

I sent him some shit, he sent it right back. And that's how we got Chinese K. Yeah, because he's got good taste in American rap for sure. Because I remember it was before Shoreline had even fully blown up when I first interviewed him. And I said, who would you want to work with? And he said, Shoreline. And I was almost even surprised that he was listening to that. So that's one thing about the UK is that, like, they will pick their favorite rappers from the U.S.

And they don't really give a fuck about who's like the number one rapper. They just like, they have very good ear for who's doing some dope shit. Because I definitely wasn't expecting, like, him to know who the fuck I was. Right. I wasn't expecting that. Yeah. That's pretty fire. It's fire.

What's Chinese K? Like, what is a Chinese K? Yeah. It's an AK-47 that was made in China. This is true. Yeah. You like those better than the Russian ones? It don't matter to me.

Don't matter to me. I'm scared this shit out of you. It doesn't matter to me. We were having the conversation earlier, and somebody in the office was like, you think that it's Chinese Kess? You think that that was what that about? I'm like, I don't know if Officer Jim got any ketamine. I don't even know what that mean.

It's horse tranquilizer. And if you were a drug dealer in L.A., you would probably be serving it right now. For real? That's what they're doing out here? All the hipsters love that shit. I don't even know where you buy shit like that at. From a trapper. Not at the Wal-Ring.

I don't even know where you buy shit like that at. Yeah, I mean, I honestly never tried it. I think I might have tried it one night when I was already too drunk and coked up to really know what I was feeling. So what do you, what you shoot it up? I think you just snort it. Oh wow. You wouldn't even know it was ketamine. You'd think it was coke if you saw it.

Nah, see, I don't fuck with that type of shit. Well, that's good. Got to have some standards. Okay, so, oh yeah, this is another one I asked about is I saw you with Peewee Longway the other night. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, empire. Really?

He'd be around the studio. He'd be around the studio. I'll be around the studio. Uh-huh. He a real nigga, like, I'm a real nigga, like. Right. Just like that. I just, I couldn't imagine the vibe of you two hanging out.

That must have been something incredible. He's a real special guy. Yeah, he cool. He cool as shit. He cool as shit. He cool as shit. Did you really take 14 shots with him? Nah, nah.

My partner took 14 shots. It felt like I took 14 shots. Okay. I don't drink like that. Because there was a picture of you, like, in the club or whatever with, with peewee, and you were, like, making fun of yourself in your Instagram story for how drunk you looked in the photo. That's what I basically took from it. It was a good night.

It was a good night. Definitely. I wanted to ask also, like, where did your name come from originally? Some whole other shit that ain't got nothing to do a rap. Like, all said Jimmy was like, because the nigger was on some standoffish shit, like just kickback type shit. Oh, okay. Not even on the front street, just, you know, chilling, playing the background.

And so, you know, it just came up like that. I never thought to, like, when I took it, when I, when I got the name, I wasn't even rapper. Like I wasn't even thinking about rapping. Right. So it wasn't like offset diamonds type reference? Nah, yeah, no. Okay.

It was some whole other shit. Right. And shit, I just ran with it. But shit. And it got me here. Yeah. But shit, I got a lot of backlash off that shit though. For real what?

Yeah, like they think, like, you know, they talk about the offset from the Amigos like, oh, he's still in his name, still his name. But people really, like, care about that? I would feel like he was the only one who would have a right to say anything. And if he don't give a shit. then who the fuck cares you know i mean she got a big ass platform he got a lot of fans yeah but he was never mad about it or nothing right no i ain't i don't not i don't think so right i ain't we ain't never had no conversation like we ain't ever met or nothing but i would think so i wouldn't think

he wouldn't definitely that makes it ain't like i'm coming out trying to take his style or this and him like right i'm just doing me it's only a matter of time before people have similar names you know yeah i mean shit the world biggest shit yeah 100 percent so So the new tape, Rich Off the Pack. What's that mean? Self-explanatory. Rich off the pack. Pack being legal marijuana.

Right. So it's like rich off legally selling cannabis. Weed has come a long way. Definitely. Is that weird for you? Drive down the highway and you just see like fucking billboards for all these different weed products and shit. Growing up in California, no.

We'd always been like. It ain't never just been frowned upon like how it is in other states. It's normal. Yeah, being from the East Coast, I remember flying to San Francisco on a BMX trip in like 2008 and just realizing that like a bunch of dudes I knew just like hung out in the park and sold weed all day and that the cops didn't even give a shit. Yeah, like that was so different than New York at the time. I was just like, what the fuck? Being from California, it's basically the Bay Area where like the best shit come from.

It's like we always had a privilege. It was always like, you know, it was cool. It was cool with that shit Yeah The law was lenient on it Everybody up north had a pound under their bed Like way before everybody else Yeah exactly

So it's like It was just normal It was normal shit Like you're a farmer Yeah Some shit Like you just have crops on deck It was always like

And then the police like When giving nobody Just hell of time off that shit You could get a ounce of crack And get more time Than five pounds a week Right Definitely

So you stay in New York now Yeah I got a spot out there How long you've been out there? I've been in You were like two years. Oh, shit, okay. How'd that happen?

Why'd you end up wanting to move? I don't know. I just had a calling out there. Sometimes we'd go out there and I went and I just, I liked it and I stayed. Right. I visited it. I liked it. And I just, like, one day I'm like, I'm going to come back here.

You stay in the city or Brooklyn? I stay in, I stay in like, Long Island City. Oh, okay. Nice. I used to live right out there. Yeah. Do you feel like you, like, do you love New York, like, in comparison to where you're from? Like, describe the vibe?

Yeah. It's just way different. Like, I could be. somebody different in New York than the Bay. I got, you know, I got a little bit more freedom out there to do shit. Like, in the Bay, so, like, secluded and segregated, like, Oakland, like, you know, it's not shit for us to do out there. Like, in Oakland, you just, you stay in your, you know, you stay in your area for real,

and it's not too much, it's not shit. New York, it's all type of shit to do. Right. You could wake up and do something different every single day. And there's all, it's crazy because it's like, you know, there's all kinds of street shit going on in New York, but it don't got nothing to do with you. So, you know, you get to move out there and basically just start fresh, and you get to walk to the corner of store, nobody's looking at you crazy, you know? Yeah, like, you just get a chance to be a civilian.

Yeah. Like, that shit, feel good. Definitely. How often you go back, though? Shit, I just came from out there, like, a couple days ago. You ever feel like you might be kind of missing out on some of the vibe that sort of makes your music special when you're in such a different culture so much of the time? Not really, not really, because I'm still too in tune to everything. Even when I'm going, I'm still in tune what was going on in the streets where I'm from.

Like, I know what's going on. And plus, when I'm out there, I'm not just, I'm everywhere. I'm not just, you know, in the suburbs or nowhere like that. When I'm in New York, like, I'll be outside. Right. You tap in with any artists out there, though? Yeah, I fuck with this one kid and he's shiny bin Laden. Oh, yeah, he's hard.

Yeah, I'm going to fuck on him. That's the only one, though. Oh, really? Me and him be chipping him. You just reached out to him because you fuck with the music or something? No, we got mutual friends out there. So it's like. I listen to it shit.

I'm like, damn, this kid hard. And then, you feel me, I synced him on, he always be on the OVO shit that I'd be on, too. Right. So it's like, damn, you know, I just listen to it shit, and I liked it. Right. How did you actually get tapped in with him? I seen that you did a photo shoot with him and all that shit.

Oh. With OVO? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oliver. Okay. You know what? He reached out to you? Yeah.

He had tagged me and some shit. Like, he had posted one of my songs when I dropped no pressure. And I was like, who? Who is this? Like, I went to his page, looked through his page. I'm like, damn, this nigga. He must be, like, you feel me? You definitely got something going on.

Yeah, so I just asked him, like, hey, like, how did you, how you hear about me? And he told me how he heard about me through Shoreline and Black. Shit, it just been genuine ever since. Like, I hate him for advice, you feel me, he gave me his input. I send him the music. He gave me his input. Like, you feel me? Like, I just, I fuck with him.

It's kind of interesting, though, how, like, the OVO co-sign could, you know, it's not like you guys are talking about, like, signing to them or whatever, but they fought with, like, a lot of, like, street artists. Like, they've done the same thing with O. Gizi and Draco and a lot of different artists. They got a good ear for the streets. They got a good ear. It's like, hey, you know, they're just, like, using some of the top rappers in California as, like, models and shit. But, I mean, it helps elevate them even if they're not going to necessarily be doing a song with every different person. Sure. Like, anything on that platform is, like, a.

a blessing like for real like shit they flew me out and let me take pictures of that you know like that was a blessing you have a lot of people tapping in like that were surprised to see you in that hell yeah everybody was surprised right shit even i was surprised everybody was surprised right 100% um what i saw it clipping you in the STG is that dropping soon yeah that's dinner coming out like in a couple days so that's on the project is that That's on the project, too. It's called Off White Mikes. And you shot the video already. Yeah, I shot the video.

Matter of fact, I gave it to OVO, like months before it even came out, like they had previewed it on their shit first. There was the first person to air off white mics. They was the first people to air make no sense for Bayface Ray. Right. They'd be breaking it. They'd be putting a lot of my records out. Yeah, yeah, because whenever I do listen to that OVO radio shit,

I found out, I found out about Kodak super early from that shit back in the day. Like, a lot of artists I found out early from, listening to that shit. Yeah, they be hip. They know what's going on. Yeah, 100%. How'd you tap in with the SDG though? We got mutual friends too. We got mutual friends too. Matter of fact, he had had a show in New York probably like some years ago, like before he was, before he blew. And he was opening up for OMBPZy. Right. So I was going to fuck with them. That's how, that's how I like met him and a couple of dudes from his camp, like back then. Like, it was only, they performed at

SOBs in New York. Okay. It probably was only like 16 people in the crowd. Really? So I got hip to him kind of early. That's fine.

I seen him posting a fucking image saying that he got paid $25,000 for a walkthrough the other day. I'm like, damn, bro.

You getting $25K for a walkthrough? I must be doing something wrong. I got a new manager or something. That's what we in this shit for though.

For real. That's what we in this shit for. 100%. Oh yeah. And the other thing that I thought was pretty dope is I seen a video you actually giving back to the community giving out turkeys in your old neighborhood or some

shit yeah yeah i'll be doing that i love that where that uh when was the first time you did that and how often you do that and what do you feel like you get out of it shit that video that you seen that was the first time i had did it okay like with my cousins like my cousin they're here with me now like that was our first little give back but we're trying to keep it lit like just every time like for me like once i get in position to where i like want to be i want to be i want to always always be able to get back to my community because I know exactly how I feel like I know I relate to them so any way that I can help I'm going I want to be there right like like a hero yeah you definitely got to keep keep that perspective you know no matter how far away from all the

shit that you make it like I'm trying to do another I just told through another day like I'm doing another turkey giveaway like I do that backpack giveaways for your haircuts like all that that's fire. Hell yeah. Um, okay, so we got the project drop in, what is it tomorrow, tonight? Tonight. So it'll be out by the time people are seeing this, Rich off the pack. Anything else that you got coming out or anything that you want? Is anyone else on the tape? We got H, we got ESG Babyface Ray. Uh, we got, we got black on there too. Black's on there, okay. Yeah, that's, that's why I got on there. Nice. That's fire. Only a few of the songs are, like, loaded on Apple Music right now, so I can't listen to the right.

so it's kind of a kind of a tease. Yeah, that's what I like it though. You got to keep the anticipation, huh? Right. Yeah, do you prefer to space out your projects that much? The most recent one was 2019. Yeah, like, I didn't plan on that. Like, I was really supposed to drop in 2020.

Pandemic wasn't good. Yeah, it wasn't even that. I just wasn't as focused on the music as I should have been. And it reflected in the work that I was doing that didn't come out. Really? So, like, once I got back focused, I'm like, all right, I ain't going to do it like this. Because they've been waiting for so long. I got to get him it got to be worth the weight.

Yeah. So I just wanted to get them the best version of me that I could. And shit, that's that's that's that's here we are now. Here we are now. All right. So anything else you got dropping outside of the project or is all about the project right now? It's all about the project right now. Let's go. I've been missing since 2019 and they've been waiting on me. And you know I'm thankful for that.

You know a lot of people die out fast. Like you don't got like people that's just going to really wait for you to do some shit. And my fans. It's like really weighted. So, you know, I appreciate, I'm always appreciative for that. That's a fact. I feel like your music is very, very timeless. So I was listening to the older projects on album music yesterday.

I was like, you know what? This shit's still really hitting like it came out yesterday. Yeah, thank you, bro. No doubt. Well, offset Jim, No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. Check us on YouTube, SoundCloud, Patreon, all that. Like, comment, subscribe, nojumper.com, if you want to support.

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