No Jumper - The OJ Da Juiceman Interview: Coming Up with Gucci, Beef w Waka & His Mom, Short Bus Shawty

Episode Date: November 11, 2022

Legendary OJ Da Juiceman brought his fire energy to talk to Adam about his rise, success, legacy, relationships with Gucci, Waka, Nicki Minaj, and much more!   --- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. Extremely excited today to bring in one of my favorite rappers, one of my favorite hip-hop personalities, really, throughout my whole life of paying attention to this art form. The Jew man, OJ is in the building. What do, cool? We had the No Jumper, man. Legendary, man.

I'm happy to have you in here, honestly. That's hard, man. Thank you for having me. I love being here. No Jumper is the biggest motherfucker podcast out right now, sir. Oh, I appreciate that, dude. Well, a big shout out of the album 22, man. I remember, because you know what I did today?

I went on World Star, and I typed in your name, and I searched from the beginning to just see, like, the exact moment. Because I was such a hardcore World Star Watcher at that time that I could just assume that I probably found out about you from there. And I just remember, like, being so mesmerized and just being like, who the fuck is this guy? I never heard anybody talk like this. And even the music, the same thing with the Adel.

and everything, because I was already like hardcore Gucci fan, right? And so then I've got introduced to you, and I'm just like, this is the craziest shit ever. Because Gucci was obviously in his own world creatively. Creatively. But then you come in with a whole different attitude on everything, and it just blew my mind as a young. I wasn't that young. I guess I was like mid-20, you know, 26, 27. Okay, okay. No, that's all, Adam. Thank you. Yeah, but, you know, and the other crazy thing that I actually got to witness is I went to that show in New York where they actually booed you.

And I was bummed, because I, and I remember, like, it was a crazy show with, like, 30 rappers on the fly. Man, it was fucking a Wutane clan. They called it a backpack show. Yes. But I'm a fucking trap rapper, so I'll come out and think of it, I'll come out here and see her some dope on stage. And it was early, too, because I remember Walker was one of the earliest headlines. I remember Wiz Khalifa was one of the earliest artists on the bill. So that says a lot that it was early enough that people didn't really know about Waka and Wiz yet. But yeah, because it was like, I think Rayquan and Jadakis and a bunch of Wu-Tang and like all these different guys

headlining and stuff. And I just remember like really being hurt watching that happen because I at that time, every day we're out riding bikes all throughout New York City because that's what my thing was for like 10 years before I started interviewing rappers. And so every day I'm just like in different neighborhoods, just really listening to you being like the sound of that summer. Because if I remember correctly, that show was at the end of the summer. So it's like I had just gotten through like three months of Make a Trap Say A that was just like that was the song I was hearing in every neighborhood in Brooklyn. So then I was kind of bothered to be like, damn, here I am I with this hip hop show. And I got some elitist people in the audience who don't respect what you're bringing to the table.

So it was very much a sign of the times, you know, where like the East Coasts and the South were still much more divided, I think, than they are now. But that definitely brought me a little bit of sadness at that point in my life. Yeah, it fucked me, too, because I looked at it as like, damn, I'm O'Shea to Jew, man. I know I got some good music, but I think they really wanted to hear some lyricists. You're talking about copper chicken and I'm booming, I'm bunking.

we want to hear the shit they got break corn them and I just felt like it was probably like bad timing maybe like maybe if they would have brought me out with Jada kiss to do who's phoned and who's fake first and then going to like one or two OJ the Juice Man records it probably would have turned out better

so you know what's funny about that too is I remember seeing both of you on the flyer and I'm a mega hip hop nerd so I'm like OJ and Jada kiss have a song together they need to perform a song together that's what I thought too like that was a big-ass record too jada kiss yeah because i was a young kid i'm thinking that when you see two rappers doing a song together that that means that they're really homies which you know as you get more in the game you're like realistically why did why did jadikis have a oj verse on that song probably because

he was looking to get some of that young hot down south energy get himself exposed to a different audience you know it's a business end of the day you know you're right yeah but yeah i mean how do you feel about that because it feels like that argument has gone away in a lot of of ways where there's still a lot of people who love, you know, classic style hip-hop, but you're definitely somebody, you came in the game with different ambitions. But how would you describe the way that you look at, like, lyricism in that whole debate? I mean, I don't got no problem with it. If I could, like, do my whole song with fucking big words, I would do that, but I come from the street, like, I'm a dude that stood on

the corner, so I only really rap about what I did or done or doing. Like, to my audience, I don't want to be a liar. So if I sit in and try to rap to them, like, lyrically, like, I'm a lyrical nigg. I'm a, I'm a, I'm be lying. Because that's not what the fuck I do. I try to show them the view of me from standing on the corner making money, just to get them a perspective of how I made some money,

but you really don't got to go the route. I went to make that kind of money. You can make that kind of money doing anything right now. Because it's like 2022, you could do anything to make some money right now. How long would you really say that standing on the corner trapping part of your life was before you really became a rapper? I started, man, I was on the cone at 15. I started at 15. Shit, I'm going to be 41.

I might have got away from the cone. I made it in 2008. Okay. I still didn't get away from the cone because that's really all I knew. And the rapping shit was new. Like, I never left Georgia until I probably got booked for my first show. Mm-hmm. Never flew before.

I couldn't even tell you how to even get a, from back then, like, to try to book a plane ticket or a flight or Greyhound, I couldn't tell you how to do none of that because I'm just no bolder, Chris. Like, even with me living in Georgia, I couldn't even, I still got to use GPS to go to the west side because I don't leave my area. Right. Yeah. Damn. That kind of like really puts it into perspective.

And I remember when I read Gucci's biography and he was talking about you just really being out there and stuff. Because, you know, even when I'm young listening to OJ, I'm like, is there any chance this could be faking? You know? Is there any chance? Like maybe he's just a real creative guy. He never really did nothing. He's just talking about it. But like, then I read Gucci's book.

And I'm like, oh, okay, 100% I know that that's real. Yeah. Yeah, that's crazy. Because Gucci, on one song, Gucci said, sign woo and French your butt, Jew got his own money. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's for sure. Yeah. So what was your perspective on rapping, though? Like, I really want to drill into that time period of your life. Like, before you were rapping slash when you first got started, like, who actually put the batter in your back to let you know that this was a thing? And were you guys just staying on the corner rapping? That. And see, in our apartments where I grew up, they got like a green box. I guess it's like a generator box. They run the power through. So we started on that because we used to hang at that, the 10, 12 people. We standing around, everybody from the same apartment. So we started off being on a, they call it generator.

Well, we call it the green box. We started out being on the green box, freestyling. And then I had one of my personal buddies who got killed before we, like, I want to say, it was way before I started, like, made a name, O.J. The Juice Man. I always been O.J. or the Juice? I just added the man on when I started rapping. Because the reason why they called me O.J. is the oldest junior. Right.

So that's the OJ. And then since OJ, I put juice, you know what I'm saying? So some people call me, hey, OJ, or, hey, Jew, you know what I'm saying? So I just added the man with that. And I want to say, man, my buddy Dayun, he got killed. But he was telling me he used to walk around with a boombox. And I always try to freestyle or just joking around, rapping over other people's beats. And he's like, boy, you really can rap.

You need to try. But I still went taking the series. I got some jail time. I had to go to Frank Scott Penitentiary, but I ended up getting some boot camp. And the boot camp was in the middle of the penitentiary. And the key of time, I brought that rapping shit I was doing from San Valley to the chain gang.

And everybody was liking me. I'm making music. Because in the boot camp, they got it where when a male, walk in, you got to say, attention on debt one, sir, good morning, sir, tension on deck two, ma'am, good morning, man, you know what I'm saying, shit like that every time an officer walk in. So I started making raps about how I was doing the cadence for the officers that come in. I had a song called, attention on deck, attention on dick, attention on deck, she'll bust

it for me, she'll bust it for me, you know what I said? But I made it off sitting in jail fucking with the correction officer coming in and put a headcount. Right. Yeah. So once I got, once my family came and picked me up from that, Goetja had probably just drop a trap house. And my sister gave me the CD when I get in the car like, like, why did you drop, son?

He put out a real album. I said, oh, man, I've been in Hill rapping. I want to try to do some shit like they did what my buddy just did. I want to kind of try to rap. But I went as far as to say, I wanted to do a real album, but I just wanted to try to make music. How well did you actually know Gucci at that point? Was he like a friend or was he just kind of a guy you knew from being around?

No, he was a friend. I mean, because we've been knowing each other elementary from Mountain Park apartments to Sun Valley apartments. And then from Sun Valley apartments, Gucci had already been rapping like before Big Cat, you know what I'm saying? We had like a studio on Gresham Road, our locally homeboys that we all knew each other. two, three of the homeboys had money and made a studio to try to help people like us

who don't know which way to go to try to rap, you know what I'm saying? Which is pretty incredible if you think about it because that's a bunch of careers that wouldn't have happened if, you know, if they didn't help you guys. Maybe you would have figured it out on your own, but maybe you wouldn't have.

You're right, you're right, Adam, you're downshall right. Yeah, so big up the world, you know what I'm saying? Big up to never again family back then. We were doing that. Right. Definitely. How would you describe your personality at that time because a lot of that

that's what you brought to the table is like when you think about a dude who's standing on the corner selling whatever all day you just expect them to have a certain type of personality being sort of quiet to themselves not even really talking and stuff a lot of times I meet these young friends of rappers and shit

from Atlanta and shit like that and you realize that like to them not being weird and not talking too much is like a huge thing you know and so that's a part of why it stood out so much when you came out because you were like like sillier and just saying crazy-ass shit, having way more fun,

making selling drugs realistically sound a little too fun. Yeah, for real. Have you, did you always have that energy? Like, were you always just a ball of energy as a kid? Yeah, because I want to say, like, I was the funny guy. Like, I'm gonna tell some jokes.

I'm gonna play. I'm a funny type guy. Like, if you're my boy-boy, like, we play tight game. Like, I'm probably try to, foot clip you, walking to the bus stop. I probably, if you wore some old ass shoe, but you know we was going to a part,

I'm going to be the one kind of laughing at you about, bro, you know we was coming here. You know it was going to be female. Why would you wear the motherfucking this sick of the air? Everybody tried to get fresh. We might have wanted to stole a couple of outfits or whatnot, but, you know what I'm saying? I'm that kind of guy.

I'm just fine at hell. But then I kind of, oh, I want to see y'all just silly man playful playful silly did you realize that would work for you musically at a certain point that like you could still talk about real shit but that if you animated it and especially with the ad libs and shit that made it sound even more fast-paced crazy high energy okay uh I want to say yeah because see I'm a fan like of all kind of music and back when before I start rapping like we riding around I might rent a J-car.

You might run a J-car for a full a day. And my buddy Levis, older brother, had all the hardcore cassette tapes like fucking dog house posse, fucking roofless juvenile, fucking hard boys, ghetto mafia. So we were still his tapes and be riding in the J-car. And now we're in there more bouncing and we're rapping and worry-for-word. My buddy might say in one part. I might be the other rapper on this song, this single part, and we're in the car, Ryan, having fun, whipping.

What we call whipping is, like, you might be riding in the car. You're doing 10, 15 miles per hour, and you whipping left or right, but you're bouncing while you whipping. So it kind of looked cool because now your car like this. But if you're looking at the drive at the same time, he's bouncing while the car, you know what I'm saying, whip, he left the right, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah. Definitely.

Yo, there's one scene, like one old-ass freestyle that comes to mine. Back in the day where you had the grill in, you had like a big baggy, like, red polo shirt, I think. Coozy, yo. Yeah, and you're just wrapping your ass off into the fucking camera. With a cigarette behind my, yo. Yeah. And I'm going to be real with you.

Like, I've watched a lot of shit from you. And that energy always made me feel like there might have been something in your system that was hitting a little different that day. That day, yeah, and then because Adam, I swear to God, I'm not a, freestyle rapper I can freestyle rap but not not like around people because I don't want them like damn you fucking up so I rather write it but that day I'm freestyle and I'm like damn and then years later

everybody liked it but it was really to me a bullshit freestyle right when I really should have like I see on some ciphers how they rap their shit it been like previously wrote right I could have did that you know what I'm saying but I went thinking I was over at the spot one of the spots we had and then somebody came and told me like bro you know Mike will and guzscheon them over the film they said they say they say a pull up I'm like oh yeah and I wanted to get in the camera bag I wanted to be seen you know what I'm saying like let these folks know but I can rap too you know what I'm saying my buddy can rap we all bollucres

niggas we damn there can rap you know what I'm saying so boom I made I made sure I hurry up and got over there and then they they gave me an opportunity like I don't think nobody really said like you can freestyle just like go ahead. If I can remember, I just remember Mike Will playing the beat, Gooch it, freestyle. And I'm like, and then when Gooch it stopped, I'm like, shit, it's my turn. Let me try. Let me grab some of that. You know what I'm saying? And boom, I just gave it a try. So was there any particular pills or anything wrong at that time, or was that just pure energy? No, that was pure energy.

Okay. But now, it was ecstasy time back then. You got into that for a while? I probably tried ecstasy. Maybe I want to say for buy. Maybe. Maybe. four or five times, but every time I would take that shit that make me throw up. Really? Yeah, so I just like my, fuck that. Right.

Because ecstasy made me throw up and champagne made me throw up. Okay. That's interesting. That's probably two good things to avoid, though, realistically. Okay, so I remember as soon as you blew up that you lost a lot of weight, like right after. Man, fucking caught type two diabetes. Wow. Not caught, but diagnosed with type 2 diabetes.

I don't know well. I want to say I got diagnosed with diabetes in 2008. One week, I had to go to the hospital, setting the hospital like, I want to say about six, seven days. When I first got there, I was throwing up. I couldn't stop throwing up. I don't know why I was sick. I couldn't, I just couldn't stop throwing up.

I got to the point where I'm throwing up nothing, like black stuff, yellow stuff. They say that my stamina line. But I can't stop throwing up and I can't stop pissing. I'm pissing. And I'm super dehydrated. I can drink two bottles of water like right now.

And then as soon as I drink the water, I'm back dehydrated like I didn't drink in the water. Wow. So then after that, my bones and stuff started cramping, feeling like, damn, what that fuck going on? So I have my girl take me to the hospital, get in there like, oh shit, boy, your blood sugar fucking almost a thousand. I'm like, well, where are they supposed to be?

They're like, the normal regular body without diabetes complication is 150. Right. I'm like, well, how in the fuck my shit, 900 something? Wow. So, boom, they put me on a potassium bag. They chew me with insulin. Then I started doing good. I made it to the metformin pills.

Starbatching in the can because I'm a snack man like a motherfucker. Right. And I think I got that shit from my dad. I watched my dad eat snacks like a mother. I said, you know what? You got you fuck me up with the snack shit. You got me snack manning. Yeah.

So I went from the metformin pills back to the insulin shots. And then I went from type 2 diabetes to type 1. Okay. So type 2, you can really avoid it long as you do straight to not take the shot. and just take pills, but type one, you got to take a shot. I ain't no pill, nothing can help you. And then so they put me on a three-shot a day system, one for breakfast, one for lunch, and then one for dinner.

So I had to get accustomed to it, but then on top of that, they want me to prick my fingers to see where my blood at to know how much insulin I need to shoot. Right. So now I'm like, God damn, I'm back in math class. It's been so long. I've been in math class. You want me to ration out this?

What a nightmare. Most people are just not going to do it. Yeah, and then they're telling me what I eat, how I know if it's sugar in and go out to total carbohydrates. Right. So anything that has total carbohydrates, you can't really eat. So that would make me switch to all diet drinks because I learned everything diet, zero total carbohydrate.

Right, because you're probably eating whatever before that, right? Just regular food? Honey bun, big honey bun, motherfucker. I might put peanut butter. I might put peanut butter on my honey bun. I'm going to fuck crazy. I was like 24 before I even really started to think. Like, maybe eating pizza every meal isn't good.

Nah, not without that crescent bread. Yeah, yeah. But so, wait, was that hard for you to, like, switch to eating healthy food? Yeah, at first, yeah, because I was mad of the fat. Like, why the fuck this shit hit me out, the blue? Right. And if you only ate fast food and shit your whole life, eating a salad's got to feel like shit, you know? Oh, my God.

I didn't really start eating salads to fucking. Because I'm like, ain't no meat on a salad This shit, all grass, I'm not a horse. You know what I'm saying? Horses eat all grass, well. You can put some meat in the salad, though. And I learned that, and then I had to find out what dressings I like.

You know what I'm saying? So now, when I do eat a salad, I put like three dressings on it. I do ranch, Fritzantalian, and Thousand Island. You mix them? That's the most OJJJJew's a thing I could think of. Yeah.

Why that shit tastes so good, I'm like, oh my God, bro. Now I see why people eat salad. You're a man of taste. Mm, no, for real. My girl was like, she came down there. I got all three barters out the fridge where I'm squaring this one, squirt this one, and then I squirt this one in the circle.

Right. Yeah. Did you have to stop drinking lean too? Yeah, but I still was drinking, still drinking and lean. And then I got my dumb ass. Didn't know I had tried some tuscine eggs one time. That's the yellow one with all the grits in it. Okay.

That's the fucking. sweet as wine, bro. I had one cup, pulled it up, one cup, two hours later I was in the hospital. Wow.

Shit shot me up immediately. Like, I'm talking about, ain't no sticking to insulin and trying to burn your levels back down.

It's all out of wet. The lien got me all out of wet. I'm in the hospital two hours later after drinking the lien, bro. Holy shit.

So I bad, I start, I ain't touched yellow sense, but I still look cheap. I still a cheat. When I do get my hands on it because it's very scarce in my neighborhood. So if I do get my hands on, say if I get an eight, most motherfuckers going to pull

if they get an eight in that shit scarce, a nigga might cut down from two ounces every two liter to an ounce or an ounce and a half of two liters. But me, by me being diabetic, I'm going to pull up light. So if I had an ounce and then I got a 20-ounce bar to diet spryder or anything, I'm going put probably like point of a half of a point five of lean instead of the whole uh ounce right you know what I'm saying because I remember like there's definitely been some people who took it too far I remember there's this classic video of a mac Miller rest in peace where French Montana's like telling him like bro no because he got he got a bottle of sprite and he poured it up so dark it's like the darkest

sprite you ever seen and you're just looking at it like what the fuck and French Montana's to tell him like bro you gotta chill like that's not cool right you're gonna need lots of water that shit right a lot of a lot of polled up lean gonna keep you dehydrate because a lot of them texas dudes always talk about oh yeah the texas dudes always talk about how they basically have like the texas style of drinking lean is you don't drink so much that you get fucked up and have health problems and shit like that because that is some grown-ass man shit to be able to have that self-control to be able to enjoy it enjoy it and not hurt yourself at the same time because we all know people who took it too far you know i don't see i don't see any go for i used to

drink hard like i used to pull it hard but once i got the diet was diagnosed with the diabetes and learned how to maneuver with the sugar i like you can't pull it like that bro even though i still be one that take because like when i get in studio i be might want some lean to help me be creative lean my weed right but i'm i'm not fin of j gawk it down i'm gonna sip that bit it might even get water down from the ice, you know what I'm saying? But that bitch is going to get drunk, but I'm not going to drink it fast. Right, because I always want to say that whenever I see younger dudes who are drinking weight too much and something, I'm like, listen, I can show you a boozy interview with

Vlad, him talking about how bad his lean addiction got and how bad it fucked him up. I'm like, I wish the young people it was easier to just let them learn from older people, but they usually want to learn themselves. They want to go through it, they self and fuck up theirself when they come. could have found the fuck up through somebody who did it before you. Yeah, yeah, for sure. You're downshall right about that? Definitely.

Yo, I was, I just interviewed Metro the other day. And I don't think I actually, Metro booming the legend, but I don't think I actually said anything to him about it on the interview, but I was watching an older interview with him where he was talking about how early, early in his career that, like, you, I think were the first rapper. That fountain. The first, like, legit rapper that he worked with and that I think his mom would be driving him to go produce for you.

Yeah. I brought Metro His mama Rest and peace to his mother She was up When I first brought Metro To my studio on Gresh and Road I want to say his mama

Was spreading it with his little sister Wow Yeah And she wouldn't let Metro lead Way from St. Louis Right Yeah Yeah

She wouldn't let him leave by himself Because he was like Fucking 16 Right Do you remember how you Discovered him the first time? How I first met Metro was Let's Lugge.

I found Lerz Luga, but then Lus Luga went, Walk a Flok Away. Right. And then in the midst of that, Les Luga wasn't really sending beats no more. So, but I needed that sound because I had did the whole six rings and that were majority produced by Lus Luger.

Go in an email, I see a kid emailing me. They beat it so, so Metro. That was his first tale. Damn, motherfuckin' heart. So I hear them back like, damn, bro, I'm starting using some of your shield. Like, man, I appreciate it. I make my beats like Lex Lugah, woo, do, who.

I fuck with you. I'm on that style, like, what you on coming from with Lek's Lus Lug, but he's not knowing in my head. I'm like, you my next Lidz Lugie, you know what I'm saying? Bro, I ain't really, you feel me? So, boom. Because the big part of being a rapper is having the ear to be able to listen to all these new producers and decide which ones you should invest some time and money into.

Exactly, exactly. Like, Mitchell wanted to sign to me, but I was telling him, like, I don't want to give you that bad paperwork. I don't really know that lane of paperwork. And when you sign, you're supposed to get something. I don't want to be that one where you 50,000 dollar producer, but I give you 5,000 because I see you don't know. And you're just getting in it and you don't know that your potential could be higher worth more. Right. You know what I said?

So I don't want that on me to will. Man, I signed that fuck, nigga, and he, you know what I'm saying? Which is respectable because there's a million of those stories in rap. And you'd rather be the person who helps them get on the right course than just be the one who snatches up a big chunk of their publisher. I'll rap. Whatever you see him, I rap on, put it out, put your name on it. I would sign you a good nigga, but I don't want to do bad business. Right, yeah.

That's very respectable. But so what was that memory like, though? He just come to your studio and work. My studio, let them wear the 32 chain. This was when I had the orange and white 32 chain. Right. Let them wear the 32 chain. I think Metro might stay the weekend maybe.

Or I'm trying to think because I know I had a lot of shows on the weekend. I was doing Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. If it wasn't a weekend with the weekday, but they wouldn't stay long. It would be like two day, maybe four day run, and then they'll go back and then we'll just utilize email from there. Right. You know, I believe it was just the fact that he wanted to face to face. At the time, I'm OJ the Juice Man, the real rapper, Woo to Woo.

He's trying to get into music industry and then, boom, it happened. Were you particularly impressed by his talent and his work ethic at that time? Work ethic, talent, and the beats were going to fuck crazy. I'm like, oh, my God, I got the rap on these. Right. I'm talking about, he's something so many beats. I probably still got Metro beats with. the old tad right now to this day.

Really? It's crazy because, like, just to see him start from that position, and then the other day I was watching this clip with South Side, and South Side said, he's the number one producer, period. Wow, South Side said that. South Side big as hell.

Because it's hard for me to take all the producers and really decide who's the best or who's the most successful or whatever. It gets discussed a lot less than the rapper conversation, you know? But to hear South Side say that, I was like, man, that really... That says a lot. Yeah, for real. For real.

Sasa I said that. Yeah, no, side-south-side stamp. He's high caliber. Right, yeah. No, that was crazy. Okay, so you had this thing last year with Waka. Is that still a thing, or what happened with that situation? No, it never was a thing.

It just, I don't think Walker really, like, Walker wouldn't know my contract. Like, you know what I'm saying? I understand the thing is, that's your mom. You got to defend your mom no matter how I do the same. What did his mom say that made him want to jump in and defend it? Because I said it was bad business, bad contract money was taking. I didn't say I want my money back or I need to get my money back or I just realized. Because they on an interview that asked me where it went bad.

And I was just being real, like bad business, bad business. You fucked up. And, you know, it probably touched them because that's a neat. That's dude mama. I respect that. but I don't got no reason to lie and I don't want nothing out of it I'm just

they asking me what happened to me why the buzz level hey man it was bad being the bad contract and I didn't I'm coming

when I signed up front of street I was standing at the fucking bus stop I got shot eight times I got diabetes I just wanted to try something else so I hear ya I went in that bitch

no lawyer and signed right up so you got diagnosed with diabetes before you blew up? Mm-hmm. Oh, well, in the midst of it. Ah, okay. In the midst of my first show, my first show, it was in Virginia, Roano, Virginia. I got sick there.

Like, my, the sugar shit was going out of rec control then because I was still in sweets, drinking regular drinks and didn't know that the diabetes was Ryan the corner. Right. Yeah. But so, yeah, because I remember years ago, Deb doing an interview on, I think, the breakfast club, and they asked her what her regrets were or whatever. She said something about how she wished that she had put her full effort into your career early on and how she didn't. And she always felt like she regretted that she didn't give you her full attention, I guess.

True. That's true. That's somewhat true. But it's majority of not staying real, bro. Like, because if everything was, if I was satisfied on my end with Ms. Entertainment, I'd still be written them. But that was kind of personal. I am.

I'm real loyal. Like, if we getting the money together and everything going as planned and ain't nobody stealing, ain't nobody cheating. But I'm still be with them. I'm still, I mean, I'm going to be 41, man. I've been with these same people I've been with since I was freaking 22. So I'm just that kind of dude. Like, my loyalty is dead. But once I peeped flaw,

Oh, yeah, I'm gonna get out of them. I mean, to be fair, you kind of fell out with her around the same time that Nikki and Gucci both did too, right? So it's not like you're the only one. So why I'm the only one line? Like, bro, I don't got nothing to laugh at all. Like, I don't even be wanting to go into detail. Like, bro, I don't have anything to life.

And then I see, like, the way they kind of tried to bash me saying, I'm lying. Jushin right, why you do that. I ain't try to do it to, like, down there I fought with deal it just the business

went handling the right and then once I see flaw man it ain't gonna sit well with my I'm gonna be

a whole different person than what you thought oh they cool let you homie no

I mean when you think about it it's not that surprising if the business wasn't done correctly either because I mean

she's just like a regular manager or whatever doing a thing and then all of a sudden all these artists she's fucking

with become huge but you got to think I'm the only artist that was signed to me. Like, Gocha wasn't signed to me. There was just management shit, right? She was business partners.

So I see. Okay. Or even the Nikki thing. Like, who the fuck is ready to handle Nikki Minaj's career at that point? You know? Like, that's got to be pretty wild. I want to say, Nick and Mighty Kahn.

I don't really know Nikki Insights. I remember she coming to the video shoots and stuff. I don't know if it started off as management or label. I was watching your old videos today, and she's just in the video, sitting there, like, counting up money or something, that's sitting next to you like on some regular shit i'm like that's crazy nike minnodd morfuck yeah yeah she still follow me right now till they day on a twitter i seen i'm like that damn that's right because we probably started their friendship twitter friendship back from that video

shoot like we're sure i don't think instagram was big back then you know what i'm saying so and then so because i look at my twitter i'm like oh damn nick i ain't hit the unfollow but she probably is so big now to even go through the list of see who following her you know I'm saying. Oh, who she's following. That's legendary, yeah. Type shit, so. Definitely.

I mean, when you look at that, you being around for the beginning in Nicky's career, in a lot of ways, that was like the beginning of the era that we're in right now where there's just a shitload of female rappers who feel comfortable trying to make a run at it, and a bunch of them are popular and shit. What's that been like for you to see that? Could you ever see yourself signing a woman? Yeah, good. The shit.

The women cracking right now. Glorilla going to fuck crazy. Like women cracking me. All the female car to be so hard. Nicky hard. Yeah, I would sign a female as long as I see that potential, though, and willing to work.

Because, you know, jump out of my tribe artists. But they was all, like, local homeboys or nephew, my brother and nephews, or just local people from the area that, see, we got a studio. they ran to me and they didn't really want it. You know what I'm saying? No, yeah. And it's funny because nowadays you see it where, you know,

somebody like Little Baby, if you look at his album, realistically, he's probably not going to have any features from his homies. His homies, like, famous rappers, sure, but it's like, it's just not really like a normal thing

to put like a bunch of your homies who are just getting started as rappers on their projects. But you guys all were kind of doing that at that time. Yeah, trying to help. With the mixtapes and everything, it was just much more normal. Whereas now it's like, little baby will sign an artist

and give him a verse on his album, you know? But they treat that shit like it's really special these days because they realize that if they shine the light on four or five of their homies, that realistically the world probably ain't going to pay attention to any of them. But if you pick one artist and really focus on pushing them, that kind of works better, I guess. Damn, you right. I don't know.

Yeah, no, you're right. Okay, so this is one thing I always wanted to ask you because at one point, you were one of the first rappers that I seen really grinding features. And I think I noticed mostly because they were all getting posted on World Star. Okay. So at first, I'm wondering on what the fuck the user submitted thing at the end of the title means. And then I'm watching it.

And I'm like, this don't really seem like a dude OJ would really be kicking it with. Like, OJ don't seem like you're really trying to stand next to this guy in the video too much. What was that era of your life like? And what's the most you ever ran up in like a month or a year off of doing features, especially during that era? I'm doing feature, man. I want to say, because at one point I was $5,000 a feature. Then one point I went up to, I don't think I went in Ohio than sent it 500 for a feature,

even at my peak. Right. Early days, though. Like old days of rap where it just wasn't normalized the way it is now. I remember my hires. of a show I made was 15,000 per show. And what I'm doing on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. They told me don't go no higher.

Like, just, no, you can't go higher like that. You gotta stay with a promoter of fuck with you. You try to charge the 20,000, 25,000, you're gonna run a promoter. You're not gonna get booked. Yeah, I remember them telling me that. And then I look at it now and they, like, these motherfuckers-dee, these motherfuckers doing show 300,000.

Right. You tell me, don't get a dub. But that is interesting, though, because when you think about that sort of circuit of down-south clubs and shit, that I could imagine that if you start asking for a lot, that you would sort of price yourself out of a lot of those venues. But at the same time, yeah, definitely you don't want to be caught just low-balling yourself. And see, when you low-ball, they wear you out in them city because they're going to bring you so much. Now people really slit tired of you coming to the city.

They don't want to see you no more. Right. You just came three times in one year. you know what I'm saying right definitely do you still have like your touring destinations the cities that you still prefer to hit regularly um not really just whatever called my booking line right you know what what I'm saying along with the bad though we're gonna bust move right definitely um yeah because I mean I was just listening to one of your uh tapes that you put out in 2001 I listened to the whole way through uh was it the Alaska and Atlanta three yeah finally did a third edition I did a third edition I did

Yeah. Right. What's your attitude on making music at this point? And, like, how does it feel, how does it feel different than when you were, you know, a younger man? When I were younger, by, we, we have in that neighborhood studio. It's fucking, at any given time, it's 20 to 30 people, you know. Right. Versus now I got a studio at home.

I didn't really got to go here. And I ain't got no enthusiasm at home. where, like, creativity I can get from you, him. You know what I'm saying? Versus sitting at home doing it by yourself, all your creativity got to come from you. So, like, when I'm sitting in the studio around buddies and I'm putting a song in a girl that they might be right there

and they hear me, like, nah, where you should say this? Because they're in their head being creative too, but they're not a rapper, but some shit, he might just say it might kind of sign the fight, and it's similar to what the fuck I'm already rapping about. And you're growing as shit too, so you might not always know what the kids are saying these days or what the new shit might be or whatever. But then that raises the question of like, how much do you want to even be influenced by that?

True. But see, I look at it as on that style, grabbing the younger generation because of the fact there, my older generation is still spending money with me too. But that younger crew who maybe never heard of me and then once they do, and they hear the energetic type of shit I'm doing in it and they get hip-to-bide-it because they still go on to school or they do a lot of workout or their athletic player and they just like the energy that I'm giving.

They'll spend before someone my age or a couple years or fun of me they might go bootlegged. I ain't tripping on bootleg, but I just care about as long as you hearing it. But as far as in the money-wise, I just want to get that younger generation because they're more responsive to the music right now. none of where the screens are still going than the older people. Right.

I feel like getting the OJ's Ducement feature if you're from your area needs to be like a right of passage. Like you need to save your money up, get the OJ feature, shoot the video, and that that'll be like, that's like certification in a lot of ways, you know? Yeah, and then see that's why I let get two out of my own

videos. And then a lot of people been coming to him like to shoot the host, I started looking at it as, you know it's right, and it's content, it's all content, yeah, the song might have came out 2007, 2008. But when I put it out, I never put out a video. So you can really never see the visual content

of this song. Yeah, because you're somebody who's seen this weird effect where you could make a song and have it be kind of like a regular song. And then all these years later it becomes huge because the no-hook shit being on Atlanta blew my mind when I saw that.

Like, once I seen that, when they hit me about, could they use that or whatnot? that, I'm like, bro, that's so fucking huge because I wouldn't know, because, you know, I managed myself, but I got a manager, but he don't, you know what I'm saying, not how to get in key spots to where you can get OJ the Juice Man on the Lama. Right. You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

I'm like, man, when they restarted to me saying, um, Donna Glover wanting to use the fucking, I'm like, oh my God, what, he knows about fucking no hook. Right. You know what? I made, I shot this shit at the disco. I remember that video, or I remember that song when it came out, and I remember thinking it was like the best song off that mixtape, right? And so then all those years later, I remember people would still mention it.

People would like, I would even hear it played in some parties and shit like that just randomly. And I would always be like, fuck, I can't believe they know about that song too. And then when that song was in that fucking show, I was just like, oh, my God, I cannot believe that Donald Glover was hit to this fucking same song that I felt like I'd be kind of following me for like 10 years. That's hard. That's hard.

It fucked me up. I called my mama. I called everybody. Hey, brother, put the churn on this. I ran it back so many times because, you know, on the K remote, you can pray to rewind on the live shit. And it rewind. I mean, I kept running that motherfucker.

And I'm like, bro, my shit made it on TV. Right. That's dope, bro. It's hard to go TV, especially with the shit I'm rapping about. You know what I'm saying? They told me made the trap say A wasn't going to make it because I'm referencing too much drugs.

Right. And then this thing, no quarter, half a, whole, aye. Half a hole, aye. Honey, thousand, aye. You know what I'm saying? It sounds crazy when you don't say the A's in between.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, wow. But, I mean, hey, that was like the Coke rap era. You remember? You know, Gucci, Gizi. you everybody was like just it's it's almost crazy because at that time it was almost like you couldn't really be a rapper unless you were talking about selling some drugs and even if even dudes who clearly just had no business talking about this we're talking about it you know yeah you down

sure right you down show right that's crazy that's crazy yeah I mean did you feel like you were kind of like a little bit famous in the city before you started rapping or was was your reputation mostly built just like in the neighborhood and then you became a rapper and went national In the neighborhood, everybody knew me for Dope Boy Cars, the 1988, Boc Chevy on 24. So you were really doing good before the music? Chevrolet C-10, two-tone, 1984, 26th, Roof Beat. I don't have so many of Box Chevroft. They know I'm a Box Chevroo.

Cutlasses on 24. on 24 with the geeked-up motor T-Tot. Yeah, they... Because, like, bolder-cress so strict. But, see, if you went to Matnail, that's how we out, you know what I'm saying,

LinkedIn. So it's like some neighborhood. Man, I always knew, bro, we're going to be some, God damn, because he always stood out more than the crowd, you know what I'm saying? You would catch some people saying that, like, who was around way before rap.

Like, man, I used to see, bro, saying that the bus stop got down. I always knew, bro, we're going to be something. Yeah, I know. Is that fucking crazy? Just like... Crazy. Just being able to do that transformation.

Yeah, true. I'm sitting at the bus stop. That's how I got 32 entertainment. The local transportation, like our shit called Marlter. If you don't got a car, you can pay a couple, like, a dollar. Back then it was like $1.50 to ride the martha bus to wherever location you need to go. And me standing at the bus stop all day, the bus that came down. down the street with 32

Bouldercris. So I'm like, you know what? My shit gonna be called 32 entertainment because I'm fucking sitting at the bus I'm watching 32 Bouldercris out there. I'm like, well, I'm a boatercrace, nigga. I'm gonna name this motherfucker 32 entertainment.

Sound kind of catchy. But so was you getting shot that big of a motivating factor for you to stop really being in the streets like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I was on some dumb shit on some shit. I don't even really work on a Sunday. I really played a video.

games on Sunday with my nephew and shit and phone call come in I get money hungry and go do that shit and they shoot me eight times was it a situation where you were was it competition in terms of just a robbery I remember me there I want to get there I pull up with that motherfucker boom boom boom boom boom they thought I were going to drop it and I end up eating the bullies I'm out there like there like a's ventura trying to dodge the mother you remember oh age ventura we played on the mass and he was trying to dodge the bullets and shit that's all right they're doing boom boom boom then that morpher started

in my leg and I put my foot down like oh shit I can't feel nothing in my right leg these niggie don't hit me right you know what I'm saying boom I jumped back in the car with the shit and we pull off call my people hey don't do no don't ask me no questions and meet me down the street at the pilot

niggins don't shot me we got to go to the hospital right now right boom pull up my mom pull up at the pilot my mom's no problem my mom my mom my sister-nephew pulled up maybe one minute later took the shit back to the house first then went to the hospital had you not really seen the negative effects of trapping at that point was that like the first because had you done much jail time at that point um yeah i don't yeah i got convictions like a fool i don't been uh raw that gunpoint several times maybe at that time maybe

it three times and then I got smart to go get a legit gun get a legit gun pull up the bus some move on one of my people they pull their gun I tried to rob me I'm trying to get to my gun and shoot them before they shoot me

we tussling over my gun but he got his gun on me I'm trying to get that motherfucker I can't get it so while we tussling, I guess the other robber who was sitting in the car, he get in my backseat put me in a choke hole, boom. Put me in the choke hole.

But I'm still tussling with this nigga at my driver, though, who got the gun on my reel. But I'm trying to get my gun and shoot him through the pants. But when he put me in a chokehold, I want to say, shit, two minutes later, I'm like this. I can't breathe, you know what I'm saying?

So I just give up, like, bro, you can get the shit. I took my real gun took me a little bad with my shit in it and now my slow ass instead of reporting the gun stolen because it's in my name

going to buy another gun I'm mad I go home and get one of my hot guns stolen motherfucker I got gun license when thinking boom get caught with the stolen gun license oh game over with it

I mean, get caught with a stolen gun, and it killed my gun license. Oh, so then you couldn't have one after that? Did. Damn. So that's why, like, in recent years, like, there was a time where I'm looking through headlines and the news about you, and it's like, OJ gets caught with guns and drugs. And I'm thinking you about to have 20 bricks in the fucking trunk or some shit. And it's like, no, it's a handgun and weed.

And I'm like, oh, all right. Okay, that one in Tennessee. Going to do a show somewhere, but I had to go through Tennessee. Right. It pulled over. We got three legit guns and an ounce of weed. Ours weed make the guns not legit no more. So I hired the best lawyer.

He ended up being that case in Tennessee, too. But the state of Tennessee said the only way we can beat that case not under a felony is if we let the state of Tennessee come skate out. MP 40, a Glock, and a Draco. Okay. So we had to let them have the guns, but we not get a felony. And then the Kentucky shit I just had, I beat that gun case. I just, the Kentucky shit was just fucking March, 8th, January,

for, yeah, March. Got pulled over, smelled weed. I didn't even have an ounce of weed. Then I had fucking six, seven ground where we, but they're saying, by me being a convicted, feeling I know I wasn't supposed to be around a bullet but I'm saying I'm not your regular civilian right I hire your arm security because I'm an entertainer police didn't want to hear still like me oh hey don't care about that you commit the feeling

your own po be around a fire on you can't even hire your arm security you can't that's what they're telling us as a felon that's what I'm like that's what I'm like bro I got jury I'm going on the road to pick up money people know I'm coming to do it if if I'm if I'm if I'm if Just say I'm not OJ the Juice Man, and I live in fucking Pennsylvania, and they got OJ the Juice Man coming to Pennsylvania to do a show. Bro, he's coming to my city to get money. Right. So if I'm on that, and I know my area, I know this club,

I know what I can lay at, and hop out on this nigger when he come out. You're a sitting duck, yeah. You feel me? So I'm like, how could the judge say I can't have the right dog? I ain't got the firearm on me personally. See, when we got pulled over, my. my security slash personal buddy, he got a gun license. He bought two guns.

He one in the car, one on him. One in the glove box, one on him. You feel it? So when they pulled me old, they got the gun that was his on him, but then the gun that's in the glove box. I'm sitting on the passenger seat. And I'm thinking, being truthful to the police, letting him know, like, yeah, I got something around the weed.

Then he flipped it. Are you a convicted felon? Anybody in the truck convicted felon? Yeah, I'm a convicted felon. Because I know, I'm thinking he going to find out anyway. So why lie? Go on and tell the truth. Hey, man, yeah, I'm going to convict a feeling.

Oh, yeah, come on. Put your hand by the end. Oh, God, damn, I should have lied then. Because by the time he gets to my little brother, Patman, to see if he convicted, I'm already handcuffed. So when the police asked him, are you a convicted felon, which he is? I'm like, no. Say no. Because that's how he just tricked me.

He tricked me. I worried. I thought telling him. true you know what I'm saying if you're police you're gonna find out if I'm convicted or not right but the thing I seen was by me in Kentucky and I'm convicted in Georgia it takes a lot of hours for you to find that out

all right so that's why I said in Kentucky jail for so many hours because this bastard couldn't didn't know how to write my charges because the convicted felon shit when coming back because it's Georgia and we in Kentucky computer the NCIC shit you know

But you beat that shit. I beat it. I walked away with a misdemeanor for the weed. I claimed the weed out the gate. Claimed the weed because it's my weed. There ain't no use to them taking the whole truck from my cellground's weed. And I got to pay bond for six niggas.

I could just pay bond for me. And they wait on me outside the jail. You see what I'm saying? Right. So they charged me with possession of marijuana and possession of drug after they. It went from a felony because at first they had Possitional marijuana, possession of a drug,

paparine, possession of a fire arm by a convicted felon. So I'm asking, no, I'm in the head, could y'all hit me with a possession of a firearm by a convicted felon, and you ain't pull it off my waistline. You got them motherfucker, the glove bar. Right. So if the glove bar was locked, would it been the right of the way it didn't look like mine?

Like, you're trying to say, when you walked to the police car, I put it in the glove, I know, brother. Because he asked me, how long the gun been in the, man, that gun been in the, when we came out. out the hotel from doing the show last night. Right. We headed back to Atlanta. We're not,

or y'all trafficking marijuana? No, sir, I smoke. I smoked. This shit here. This is my personal. So that's why I had to do a fucking life skill class. Oh, God.

A fucking marijuana education class. Some shit I never fucking heard. You've been smoking away for 30 years. Bitch, I've been smoking for 35. We started out rolling his fucking and hay in the apartment they had hay up on the department and we roll a fucking hay in school paper

so I've been spoken to this fucking 11 years old 12 years old right so I do that I pass the life skill with a 90 and I think I'm a bitch shot now I'm trying to take the drug education class to

man I hit that motherfucker man these folks I said god damn it Russian passed that bit with a 77 right I'm like it looked like I'm dumb. I'm smart in life, but I'm dumb on marijuana. Right.

Well, hey. Lesson line. Well, but you probably, I'm going to be real. If I looked at your answers, I feel like I would think your answers were pretty reasonable. It's probably because they're trying to, you know,

they have a harsher understanding of weed than us, right? Because they went to saying people, hospital lies off marijuana. So me and my dad are sitting in the room while I'm taking a test. I'm like, I never heard of anybody hospitalized off of smoking marijuana. No. They always say that nobody's ever died from smoking marijuana. Oh, and they test shit, they say, and people don't, they got a percentage of people that don't

die from marijuana. See, I've always heard the opposite. I'm like, bro, I never, ever heard that shit. They got me reading some shit, some shit talking about the membrane and cerebellum and. Right. I'm like, oh, shit, try to use Google. That shit don't work because I got the answer wrong. I had to redo the motherfucker. Google gave me the wrong motherfucker's counsel, man. Holy shit.

And niggas told me, boy, go to Google, you can pay that motherfucker with a honey. Right. But that's a dog won't lie. I'm really bad at test taking, too. Like, when I had to get my gun license, I'm, like, overthinking all the questions to the point where, like,

I'm, like, really simple questions are starting to seem really complicated to me. I did the same thing. I'm reading simple shit. Like, I got to reread it to see how they're describing it. Like, man, this shit seemed different. Why they giving me this? I wanted to ask you this.

I remember back in the day, there was this video that a lot of people on Twitter reminded me of this, like, cartoon, animation thing. Oh, man. Short buzz shoddy. Man, fuck that. What was going through your head when you first saw this back in the day?

Who the fuck made this shit? They, well, they, they're trying to say I'm retarded? That's the first thing. I asked myself, man, is they acting like I'm slow? Right. She's like, no, they kind of picking that how you rap. Right.

Hannah, Montana, and I got stamina. And I like animals. Hannah Montana. I'm like, oh, okay. So y'all taking some of the shit I was saying and making it reversing it funny style on me. But it's funny how they were also saying things that you were saying, like I'm still whipping babies.

And it shows you whipping a baby. They got fucking Gucci walking around in the crayon. Talk about where's my car max? Man, bro. I was so fucking disgusted with this shit. I'm like, who even got the time sitting there and do all this? Yeah. To examine how we rap, because they ain't even fuck with flogger.

Fucker, fuck, fuck. That was so good. I was like, oh, my God, bro. They ain't, oh, bro, y'all did that wrong, bro. Y'all did add wrong, bro. But I understand it. It was all funny. Right.

But to me who the motherfucker y'all talking about, bitch, it wasn't funny. It kind of helped make you more of a legend, though, right? I don't know. Probably a lot of people remember that song and don't remember that it was a parody. And they walk up to me thinking I actually made this fucking song, bro. I'm like, bro, you know that's a parody, right? Yeah. They're like, no, no.

Bro, yes, bro, they were making fun on me, bro. Right. When you heard him say, or you in the song, the version of you, say something about and I'm still getting blumpkins. I don't... Okay, I just wanted to make sure. I was thinking, like, there's no way OJ knows what a blumpkin is.

I don't. What is that? It's when you get head while you're taking a shit. Man, stop it. Yeah, well, that is what it is. For one, I only even want to give her that cloak

because my shit finished time. Yeah. You don't look at me as a nasty that nigga after you smell this, your life's not going to be the same. And once you hear it, I'm wanting no point. Motherfucker,

you feel, I'm like, you're hearing it hit the water. So you ain't going to want to suck a dick after that one. Nah. She got to be a real fucked up bitch. Yeah, I'm having to get you tested guy. Or get my sausage tested water. You don't fucking gave me, son.

Yeah. If you're cool with this shit. Yeah, for real. Damn. A Blumpkin is a getting fucking head-washy. Nah, that's new. Now you know. Damn.

Now you're more connected with the white fan base who probably knows about that more. Wow. Hey. Wow. The world has changed. That's crazy. What is rocking, like, cut off stockings? Oh, what is rocking like cutoff stockings?

I mean, like, we down, like, four flat tie. We can't go nowhere. You know what I'm saying? Like, we rocking, like, you my buddy, buddy, like, shit, and then you call me. Right. And I can be down on my lad 10,000, but you need 5,000 to help pay your... I'm going to get it to. Right.

But you're my dog. Right. But we're rocking, like, nigger, that's how we're rocking. We're rocking like that. But what are cut off stockings? and why are they so tightly knit? Like, why are they... Like, I don't even know what that is.

Because I want to say, like, the stockings, you know, they are already tight. Right. So that meaning, like, we tight. Okay, okay. You know what I'm saying? Cut them off, goddamn. Because in the chain game, you know,

you wear them high-ass socks. So, but you'll cut them down to what name. You got the mid, low socks, you know what I'm saying? So we'll cut the stockings, you know what I'm saying? Or you might cut the stockings to... While you're in chain game, you purchase the win. in stock and you cut it and then you got du rag right you know what i'm saying i like it and the du

do rag give you the ways and shit yeah that makes sense definitely you always just had the gift of gab i got to give it to you man i appreciate it i always memorize that even though i never you know never really know what i mean Okay. I ain't really seen none here. Y'all got 76. Yeah. What's the other big one I've seen?

It's green. 7.11. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 711 everywhere. Yeah, y'all got them everywhere. Y'all got them without gas. I said Sonoco the other day. And nobody knew what I was talking about.

I'm like, oh, I guess maybe that is a gas station that I haven't seen in like hell a long. No, we got them down. Oh, you got them, zero. That's in Carolina. Okay. I grew up next to Texas Coast. So I always liked how you would say that shit.

Yeah, that's right though. like we walk into Texaco and get the fucking hug juices and the 30 cent chips and walk back to the bus stop right definitely it was funny when they uh okay also when i was searching name on world star one of the first things that came out though was when you and soldier boy went at it over him jacking your ad lives back in the day that was a classic one because soldier boy did that to a lot of people i'm be real with you because i haven't i hadn't really got in where i needed to be yet and then you trying to take my shit but then after that So you brought being end up being a cool that, man. Yeah, you guys got along good after that, right? Boy, cool, here. We did two records.

The reason why I was on the BET Hip Hop Awards in 2009, 2009, maybe 2010, won on them when I had the purple on. At first, I thought I was going on stage. They told me I was going on stage before him. I brought two outfits. I changed after I went on stage.

But I ended up, wasn't able to go. on stage. But I mean, a jeweler in the back that gets from jewelry and at the same time soldier wore against some jury from the same jewler

and he sees me. He's like, Juke coming in my trailer. He got a whole fucking trailer back down. I put it up in the car. I ain't got shit. I got sitting in an audience.

He was big as hell at the time. Go back down to the trailer with her. And at the time now I made the diss on mad at him about stealing my shit. Boom. He called me back there.

Hey, Jew, I'm doing Gucci Man down on stage. Br, I think it'll be dope if you do the A's. That's how you squashed it. I said, bro. So he didn't even acknowledge the diss song and then? Hell no. Hell no. That's legendary.

I'm going up here. I'm doing Gucci Man Down, I need you to do the A because you do a nigga with A. I'm like, you know what? These folks told me I were going to perform and I get up here that saying I can't. And now you're saying I can with you. Come on. Right. I'm feeling to tell their ass up.

I don't even know Guja Bandana, but when I hear the A-coming up, that's what I'm going to do. Hey, Guja-band-da-a. Hey, Gucci-Ban-A-A-A-ha-ha. Fuck you mean. That's all you want. Come on with it.

Right. And then after that, we did songs together. I don't think any rapper ever had a high-pitched adlet before that. You know, like a non-high-pitched voice, but then they have a high-pitched adlet. If you think about that in isolation, I think that was why it was so shocking at the time, yeah. High-pitched, damn, yeah.

without a super high-pitched voice. Yeah. And then, but my age's coming up, hey, okay, damn. Legend. You know what I love to is one time I went to one of your shows in L.A. Some event, some brand book to or something. And, oh, what was it?

It was some beer. Oh, Coke 45? Yes, yeah. I did a Coke 45 deal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember that your live show was crazy because you just have like a track of all your tracks so that the DJ doesn't have to spend time,

clicking between them or nothing. You just come out and just kill every single one back to back. That shit was fucking fire. I still run out of the same method till the day. When I ain't able to brain the DJ on flag drive, plug and play. They're motherfuck going to run all the way through. I got like three different versions.

I got a 12-minute version. I got a 15-minute version. I got a 28-minute version. Oh, wow, really? Okay. I got a 34-minute version. So the long, the short ones, just all the most popular son?

songs packed together? Yeah, compared to what kind of event I got to do. They didn't give you that Minnesota. They give you three songs, bro. Right. You know what I'm saying? That makes sense. All right, this is my last question is what, like, obviously you're somebody who has such

love for the streets and for your old neighborhood and everything like that. How do you, like, what's your current relationship with that environment? How do you keep tabs on it? And what is your overall thought on what's going on in the environment that you come from at this point in your life? I keep tabs on it I pull up time and time I pull up time and time

I try to not hang out like super like that because I don't been in a situation where I'm OJ the juice man but I'm still thinking street mentality so I'm standing at the Tesco and some robbers peep me front of like

okay boom I don't see what they're on boom I'm chilling chilling boom I go on the show And you're looking like you look right now? No jury, but... Oh, okay. Dress good.

Car. And they see my face. Okay. Well, that is. He on the ear. He's on the other year. Get some chip, juice. Not knowing a nigga behind me

following my every move. Like, if I go to this juice, he go kind of right here. When I go to the bag of chips, he go right here with a juice at. When I go to the candy, he go right here. So, boom, I ain't peaked this at all.

Now, I put my shit on the counter, pay for it. I ain't peeping the steel Pay for it, boom Come out of the store Go to my car My car park right in front of the store Boom what he do is

He fake put his shit on the counter But then come out of the store behind me Don't get none of the shit So now I put my shit on the car But my gun in the car So I put my shit on top of my car Give him a car key Talking to my buddy

And him who I was standing And the next thing no A nigga come out around the corner with the gun up And he said A nigger run, a nigga gonna die So I look I look I look

Poon Because if I would try to go to my gun He gonna shoot me the fuck up Right I pune Knick bust in that While I'm running I'm zigzag

I'm doing all kind of shit But in my head I'm like Bro what the fuck I'm running slow a hell I know I run faster than this I look back It's a nigga got me like this

Somebody's holding you Somebody fucking holding me While I'm running, I look back. I don't even know this nigga Faye. I look back on his shirt, he blooded down. His buddy shooting at me hit him. He looked back holding me hopping on one leg. Stop, stop, bro, stop, bro.

Stop shooting, bro. I got him. I got him, bro. Start shooting. How long goes this? It's 22 now. This had to been 17. Maybe 18

But this never got reported on or nothing? No So what happens then? Once I look back to see that the nigga holding on to me I look up, I go from shirt to face. I'm like, bro, I don't know that nigga. I'm knocking their hand. I'm like,

bro, get your hand out. I'm like, bro, get your hand out. Nick, these niggas, shoot. Not knowing he went dumb. But I see he hit, but I'm thinking he hit running behind me. Right. But in actuality, while that's going on, he's still German talking about that.

He won't let me go. So I come out my pan because I see this is what you want. I come out my pan. So, God, I made some true religion shorts. That's why I ain't had my gun on me. The pocket on the true religion shorts had, like a slant in it. And that, my test score where I'm from, the county police and the Atlanta police can pull in on you.

And the way the shorts made, I don't got so many gun convictions. I'm like, I can't stand another one right now. Boom, let me leave the gun in the car. Running stole get the shit come back out. Boom. And then this shit happened. So, boom, I take out running. I see there what the nigga want.

He either wants some mining or he want my pan with the wallet type shit. I don't know. Because, you know, my ID got my address on it. You feel? Right. Boom. Come out to pan ASA. Well, they're some shorts.

They're true religion short. Let him get the short. I'm running across the street of my draw now. They're trying to get away from the nigger who's shoot. Right. You see him. Because he aimed him directly at me. That's how he hit buddy.

So from that once he got my shorts He turned around He wrapped my shorts around here on And hop back towards the way his buddy ran After shooting at me And so I waited I ran across the street I'm like behind the bus stop slit

Looking to see if I see niggas moving funny If that's them I like the stow kind of clear now I go back through the stove parking lot Bro my car key He followed out my shirt As he wrapping my shorts around on my wallet stayed my money stayed but my car key fall out boom i get in the car first

i do grab my scrap i'm mad here now but them niggas gone so boom i'm riding around looking for anybody looking like they shot or moving fine there when shit like that so it was a lot but they're just coming to show and the cops didn't show up i got away before because i'm gonna the feeling. I got gunpowed on my hand. Oh, no, I ain't got no gunpowder because I can't get to my gun. Right. But I got my gun in the car. You know what I'm saying? What the fuck? So basic lesson right there is it can still go down no matter how much you think and not a target.

Yeah, much I think I'm back in my neighborhood. I'm cool niggas. Oh, but that's just juo. He broke. He's back at the store. He got to sell dope again. When you're trying to be on some cool shit go and tap in with everybody, right? Yeah, just, you know, kick it, chill and just pull up. Like, oh, I ain't on no rap or shit. Like, I'm still the same. OJ as you knew, you know what I'm saying? And then another situation, I do the same shit, go back up there. We in the hudder talking and we had the Texco motherfucker, a PT cruiser pulling, and the

nigger got a green mask down, face down this way with a hood on. So at the gate, I'm clutching. I'm ready to shoot that motherfucker out of the gate. Cause ain't no way you pulling up at Newtisco 10 o'clock at night. Green ass down. They way before young boy. It had to been like 2018, 20, not, he went to in 19. Oh, it was before COVID.

Yeah. Because the mask is less scary now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Used to be real scary. This nigga pulled up. So I'm telling my buddy, like, boy, y'all seen how these niggas just pulling him, boy, I'm from the shoot home. Nah, dude, you tripping, you tripping.

Don't do it, bro. Hell, nah, bro. That's a Muslim. I'm like, bro, I ain't no goddamn. Boy, yes, it is a mud. She come up here every night and buy shit. I'm like, bro, I ain't no Muslim coming up here, no hoodie and no face masks down. I mean, a bandana, a nose down with a hoodie on.

So we arguing back and forth. Now, the PT cruising on pulled in and bagged up towards the Tesco to where he's just facing, he can just shoot straight out and be back on the street, Boulder Creek. So, but we in the hudder. I'm in the middle. I'm in the middle. And we in the hudder, got down the PT cruising.

You could tear from his head most. He's like this the whole time. I'm like, bro, let me shoot him. But I'm still arguing with my buddy about Muslim shit. Right. Boom. The PT cruises see how the circle is to get me. You find out to kill a few more people.

Right. To get to me. Just to get to me, you're going to have to kill about two more niggas. So how it is, like the gas pump, gas pump, you can pull through, pull through, you can pull through, you pull in, pull in, or you can bag up straight to the store door. Boom. He pulled up. We're in the middle. I'm moving with his car now.

I'm on whatever he on. As his car pulling up, I'm walking around so I can get an aim at him just as he's trying to maybe get an aim at me. Right. Boom. He pulled through the gas pump. I'm moving around. Boom. He's going down the hill.

And then I'm walking kind of behind the car, but I don't want to be like seen like I'm just aggressive. I'm the aggressor. You know what I'm saying? So I'm walking just to see where the car went. I hear a car those shut. Boom. So now I whipped my fire because it got to be him. Right.

Boy, I wilt my fight. He come off around the PT crews on the main street. He's like, oh, yeah, I fucking got y'all five. He got your fire. Boom, I raised mine up. My shit said, click. I know my five bucks. I j-bussed a few days ago.

But I know my five bucks. Then he got his fire. I pulled my five. That bit said, click. So my buddy grabbed my arm. Pulled me off from around the corner like, well, hell, no, come in, come in the stove. Come in the stove.

Your scrap ain't even working. So I'm walking in the stove, checking my scrap. Now, I forget I'm gonna convict the feeling, because I'm worried about why my scrap ain't working. Right. I'm on camera now walking in the stove, checking my fire. So boom, I'm in there morfuck, wait a minute, checking my fire, but then a bud I know come in.

Boom, see him. Normally he keep his gun. Hey, boy, you got your file on you? And you know it. All right, cool. I'm going to walk out of the store with you. I start implicating what happened or why I'm asking you do you got your fire.

Boom, we get out of the store. PT Cruz is coming back up the street now. This nigga don't turn around. Road winning now. So, boom, I do it. That's the first thing I do. Everybody do it. So he's not even trying to rob you at this point.

No, he's just shoot. Right. Do you think this is a robbery to start or you think there's a person who had a problem with you? Well, I can't say. Damn. I don't know. And I'm not no.

I'm not no nigga that's gonna start the shit. See, that's why I'm wondering, like, do you have issues? No, hell no. You'd be surprised by that, right? Yeah, hell, no. I ain't that kind of nigga. If anything, I'm just not even going to come around. You know what I'm saying?

So in the midst of him, shoot, I got my five, but my fire did win bush, so I ain't thinking about my fight no more. My brother who came in the stove, well, give me your fire since you ain't busting back. Let me bush, because then the guy ain't stopping. I ain't got it. Bro, you just lied to me in the stove. You said you got your fire. Now you're saying you don't got the fire.

Man, this nigga can come on here and kill a little, bro. So something told me, Juice, retry your fire. Now my fire bus, p'r, nigger, pull it off. But in the net, he was just going to still keep sitting there shooting at me. You're making Atlanta sound like a very scary place where this shit could just happen. It's like, not that crazy.

I mean, I'm just giving a perspective of me thinking, I ain't O.J. the Juice, man. Right, yeah. So do you feel like you've kind of had to learn this lesson over and over of like? Bro, you just can't hang bro, you can't do the old shit you were doing before you was OJ the juice made

you can't do the OJ shit Right You were on the XXL cover with Nipsey Damn If you got killed in one of those situations We'd be talking about you The same way we'd talk about him, you know?

Damn Like if you got killed At that gas station especially That would be like I'd rap about the gas station Yeah And I get Man let me stop coming

Bro Let me just Let me wise up bro because it can fucking happen no matter if I do got my gun I can't believe that you would have checked that kind of attention from people who especially if you're wearing on your

jewelry and shit it's like more understandable but I know not to go outside like that because I don't want them to draw that kind of you know what I'm saying I already got to deal with hey bro let me get a picture now I need to know what do you on a real picture or are you on some

or are you on some fuck shit yeah I got to decipher that like within seconds. Like, do you really want this shit or you want to move? Right. All right. So last question, because they're trying to get you out here.

But so what's the good life to you at this point? What really matters? What are the things that you need to make OJJJJ's a happy person? I want to try to be back that top-tier artist I was. I hate that problem. And I don't feel like I really waited so long. It just the marketing and promotion ain't. death for me, you know what I'm saying?

But I want to be that caliber artists to where people, you know what I'm saying, had fun with my music, you know what I'm saying? It's like, they didn't forget about me. I still got my hardcore people, but without their right marketing, promotion, it's too many of the rappers to be focused

on O.J. The Juice Man, when it's a new one. Don't sell yourself short, though, man. You're a real legend. Like, there's absolutely nobody who fucks with, like, street music, that I could have a conversation with besides maybe the real young kids that weren't, but I'm saying

like everybody knows. OJ, I mean, you've had an incredible career and a huge impact on motherfuckers. So I hate to hear you kind of selling yourself short like that. Yeah, true. Yeah, a lot of people telling that, I just, I don't know, man.

That would I feel like that would make me, you know what I'm saying? Because it's like, right now, I got to work down there three times harder just to keep everything, level ahead, you know what I'm saying? and at the same time still make my payroll

to people I put in position because I don't want I never was that kind of person where if it go bad tomorrow man I don't deal all this shit for that nigga man

he wouldn't even paying me you know what I mean I don't want that on my name I pay for everything I do and I move out how I can move based off what I know you know what I'm saying

other than that I try and some people like Damn, bro, what happened to you? You quit? Nah, I was still putting music out. It just maybe your enthusiasm of OJ, the Juice Man wasn't there because it wasn't in your face. So when I dropped something, yeah, I might just throw it out without a whole bunch of videos.

So yeah, you might not know because on top of that, the newer artists that you like it, when they're dropping their shit, they got the content to come with it. So now you see and they're hearing. But with Juice Man, you hear him, but I like him, but he ain't giving me enough. He's taking too long to drop You know on that And shit like that So I feel like

I need to Try harder or work better At putting the content More getting Like The music's great But I need the visual content

I need to stay more active In their face Because that Where they care more about Once you kind of fade out of the eye I want to see OJJ's just man on TikTok Every day

But on TikTok Do I got to dance All the time? No Okay, okay You can't smoke weed. Oh, you can't. They'll get your ass for that.

It's a little different than Instagram. Oh, damn. Yeah, I don't know. Either way, man. It's been a real honor getting to sit down with you, have a conversation, man. You've been a huge, massive influence on a gigantic percentage of the artist I interviewed on here over the years. So definitely just know that your effect has been felt on me and many other people in this world, man. Thank you, Adam.

I, let no jump. I put out the song called Jump, they're like, bro, you need to do it. No Adam. I'm like, nigga, you know how long I've tried to do a dope job off over. I've been trying to do it forever. That nigga Adam, man. That nigga Adam Horve, bro.

I appreciate it. I'm talking about, man, I've told a lot of my buddy in that like, man. The nigga Adam hard, bro. That nigga, part of care. The no jumper, man, man. Hey, I appreciate that, man. Real, bro.

Let's do some more shit in the future for sure. I've seen you doing the pop-up with my boy Desto Del. Oh, yeah. Desto big shout out to Desto dude. Awful lot of Jew, man. Yeah. Ooh, that was a hard air collab. That was fire.

Yeah. I seen you rapping in the store. I should have gone out for that shit. Yeah, I sure did. I did a lot of songs too. All right. All right. OJ. Juice, man, appreciate you, man.

Hey, let's get it. Make sure y'all follow me, man. Shout out the No Jumper. Thank you, Adam 22, and the whole style, man. We rocking like, Cud. I'm stocking down like four flat time. We can't go nowhere, cool. Aye.

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Appreciate you, man. Yes, sir. Adam, thank you, man. That was dope, bro.