No Jumper - The Peezy Interview: Getting Shot, Fed Case, Quitting Lean & More

Episode Date: March 31, 2022

Great conversation with the one and only Peezy, who talks about his come up, studying music, never doing diss tracks, doing time actually helped him, his close relationship with Rio Da Yung OG and more! https://www.instagram.com/peezy__te/ ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast on the world. And we're in here today with one of the best doing it on the microphone these days. Yeah. Peasy in the building. What's up, Adam? I'm excited, man. What's going on, brother? I feel like there's a very, very important story that needs to be told here.

Yeah. You know? Like, you haven't done like a super in-depth interview. Have you? No, not for real. I watched the Gilling Waller shit. That was cool. You guys had a vibe going.

but it wasn't like the full story. Yeah, I ain't really get a chance to tell him. You know what I'm saying? Right. Yeah. Because to me right now, every once in a blue moon, there comes a moment where I get to interview somebody

who's actually the rapper that I'm listening to the most in my life at that time. I think I might have told I swear Vezo that when I interviewed him and I was being accurate. At this moment in my life, PZ is definitely the soundtrack to my life. I definitely appreciate it for sure. One thing that really, like, endeared me to you early on was when I was doing that Rio interview and he just kind of told me about how much you put him on game and that, like, mental image of you sort of teaching him how to be a rapper and how to make money for himself was very, very inspirational.

I think about that a lot. Yeah. Not to cut you all, too. Hey, let me get them headphones. That's my kind of rapper, man. Usually they never want to wear the fucking headphones. you think it'll help you get in the zone though no I just hear shit and I can't really hear you

had to do a quick headphone upgrade right there but yeah I don't know I mean that just when I heard that story about you just kind of driving around with Rio and putting him on game and teaching them how to make money out of his rapping that just was like very cool to me like that that kind of thing is what we need more of yeah it was just like he ain't had no Instagram or nothing so when I picked him up and did it I was just really just showing

him like you know this what I'm doing and you could be bigger than me. You felt like that when you met him? Hell yeah. What was it about that you felt like he had that you didn't have? He just was, he was saying shit that a lot of, he was like fearless with this type of shit he would say. It just like got my attention. Like, you know, I listen to music, so I really ain't hear no shit like that since like M&M or something.

You know what I'm saying? Then I heard him just saying all the type of crazy shit and it was just funny as hell. Right. And I'm like, well, this could be something for real. I mean, that's kind of like a part of a long Detroit history, don't you think? But, like, that's always been what you kind of known Detroit for is, like, rappers saying the craziest shit, the most extreme shit, the most memorable shit. Like, that's just kind of always been something that the city sort of hung its hat on, I think.

Yeah, but, like, more kind of, like, more known as, like, hustlers, you know what I'm saying? Right. Versus more people that say crazy shit, because we, like, known for, like, gators and fur coats and Cartiery's and shit, you know what I'm saying? So, like crazy shit, when I hear crazy shit, like crazy, I think about rappers like bizarre. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Eminem or Royce the Five-N-N-N-N-or. Right. You know what I'm saying? And I had heard no shit like that until I heard Rio. Really? Yeah. Did he push you in the direction of wanting to be a little bit funny or a little bit more extreme with the shit that you rap?

No, because, to be real before I went to jail, We ain't even have a lot of music together. We probably had like seven, eight songs together, but Rio really took off when I went to jail. Right. You know what I'm saying? You think a lot of your fan base was like, all right, we were fucking with this dude now.

No, it was already fucking with him, like, it was picking up before I went. Right. But, like, after I went, he just took all, like, wildfire. I don't know what it was, though. It probably was just his work ethic. Because he had a fucking machine. I don't ever start working.

Crazy work ethic. Yeah. He said he did, like, you know, I did 30. features in one day and I charge one guy 5,000 and I charge one guy 500 Facts though. If it's like If it's 60,000 in the room, you're gonna get all of it. Right. You can figure out a way

one way or another. All right, so let's do the childhood conversation. Where exactly did you grow up? And what was it like? I grew up on six mile an ounce. Citi grow. It's in Detroit. Okay. Right on the east side. It was like regular.

You know what I'm saying? Same shit. go on and everybody else neighborhood drug dealing killing robbing shit love right you know what I'm saying the regular shit did it strike you as crazy while you were growing up though yeah I was affected because I was I was born like in the drug era right you know what I'm saying because you're a little bit older than a lot of the guys you're rabble yeah I was born 88 okay so yeah I was born and raised in the drug era on the drug block like you know what I'm saying so my childhood was like probably affected differently Really? Yeah.

A lot of people are affected by, like, communities that are kind of ravaged by drugs, but you were right there as it was all happening? Yeah, because my whole family from one street, you know what I'm saying? Everybody drugged it. So it was, like, natural, like, seeing the natural, it was natural. Right. Yeah. What was the culture of Detroit, like, though, from your perspective,

was there a lot of music and, like, togetherness going on in that area as well? I can't really say because at one point of time, I wasn't even really listening to music. Like, I was just a kid at one point of time, just watching wrestling and all this shit at one point. And then growing up, just getting older, I ain't really started listening to music until I got out of high school for real.

Really? Yeah. Okay. But were you in the streets from a young age? Or you tried to avoid it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And was it just inevitable that that was going to happen? It was just because we had, like,

like, I ain't going to say we ain't have parents because we had parents, but we was, like, kind of having our way, like it wasn't strict as it should have been so we got to like see a lot more than regular kids you know what I'm saying right damn so okay you get to high school and that that's when you kind of start connecting with music more yeah basically what was what was the shit you were listening to well I'm gonna say middle school like seven eighth grade going into high school right I was listening to jZ and fabulous and DMX and shit because I was brought up like when I came up it was like Rockefeller rough riders and shit like that

out, you know what I was in? Caz money and shit like that. So that's what I was brought up on. Less local Detroit stuff and more just like... It weren't really a lot of Detroit rappers with these street lures and cheddar boys, you know, rock bottom and shit like that, May West. And so... You'd really have to be like digging to... Yeah, you got to be like older. But if we listened to them, but it wasn't like, I didn't grew up on this shit, you know what I'm saying? Were you... I got on in high school.

You listened to Jay Z and thinking like, oh, fuck, he's telling the story of the the bosses on my block. No. Hell no, because when I just liked the music. Like, when I was young, when I was listening to that shit, I ain't know what he was talking about.

Right. You know what I'm saying? It took a long time before I realized that they weren't all just talking about cooking. Yeah, I had to like really get older and like see life a little bit to understand a lot of music.

I used to listen to back in the day. Right. Yeah. Okay. But you finished high school? No. Okay. Why not?

High school was whack as fuck than me. I was poor as shit, So I just stopped going. Really? Just stopped going in what, like 10th grade? Nope, 11th. 11th? Yeah.

Okay. But did you enjoy it from like a social aspect? It was fun. I went every day. Like, it was fun up until like it was time to like graduate and I knew like, all right, damn. I've been bussed and I ain't really from to graduate. Right. Just stop going.

Like, fucking I'm about this bitch. If you had asked you at that time what you were doing with your life, what were you said? I probably thought I was going to die in the street back then. Really? You didn't have a vision for how. this could work out? Fuck no. I never had, I never seen myself with like more than 10,000 or having a car or some shit like that, you know. Right. Yeah. Did you not, did you not see other people accomplishing that? Or like, were you seeing people who were successful? Do you have

any kind of inspiration in that regard? I mean, how can I say it? All right. My mama's side of the family are drug dealers. My daddy side of the family are working people. So when I moved out of the house with my mama, I went over there with my daddy and none of that shit going on over there. Right. You feel what I'm saying? And that's where I was going to high school. So when I dropped out of high school, I went back over there with my mama and my, you know what I'm saying? Right.

And so, well, like, which side appealed to you more? My mom's the side. Right. You just seem more fun? It just was, that's what was going on. The money's a lot faster. Yeah. I mean, it was like appealing to the eyes as a kid.

You're seeing, like, you know, girls and curse. and shit like that a lot of money and drugs and junkies and shit that shit is like kids i like this i used to like to see that type of shit right of course i used to live in crack houses and shit like it was like regular than me can you yeah go crazy um damn you lived in crack houses yeah yeah just because you were homeless at the time and you had to figure i went homeless just like my family was on drugs and she uh cooking dope in the house smoking dope in the basement you know all that shit right do you remember realizing like fuck some of these people are really fucked up and like I don't want to be the kind of person who's doing these drugs and shit.

I knew as a kid I ain't want to be like them, but that's my, I love them and the death look at this is my family. Right. I don't look at them like none less, you know what I'm saying? But I knew I ain't want to be like them. They ain't had no money. You know what I'm saying? Did you always know that you, did you feel from a young age that you were meant for greatness

or that there was something for you out there better than your local surroundings? I always, I always knew like I was. special because everything I always thought in my mind or it always came like like I knew I was going to get shot and I knew I was going to jail way before it happened real yeah just had a feeling I just knew so when it happened I was just like preparing myself like I hope the shit don't hurt as bad as it like they make it seem and you know I hope jailing I hope I don't get a long long time I knew I was going to jail I knew I was going to get shot what uh Okay, so when did you get shot?

So I knew I was a special kid because I'd be knowing shit before it happened. Right. Yeah. When did you get shot? That was like soon after you got out of high school or whatever? Probably like 2014 or something like that. Oh, so not that long ago.

Yeah, 2018. So what about this whole, after you leave your, like what are you doing throughout your 20s? Basically, I guess is the question. Just trying to survive. Just like, you know, nickel and diamond. And then, you know, Shit picked up a little bit.

Right. You rapping all along? Not all along. I probably started, I started rapping, rapping until probably like 2007, but I didn't get serious serious until probably like 2000 at 15, 16. Okay. And you were just rapping on the block,

or were you actually going to serious? No, I was doing shows and all that shit, but I was still hustling, though. Right. You know what I'm saying? So after I called my Fed case, I took rap completely serious. That's when I stopped doing everything.

Wow. When did you catch the Fed case? In 2016, at the end of 2016. So the most recent time when you were locked up, that was the Fed situation? Yeah. Okay. So you had a little run rapping locally? Like, who were you rapping?

I've always been a nigga in the city. Really? Yeah, yeah. You had that reputation. Before rap, like, we was niggas in the city. Before rap. You got to think we come from Black where it was a lot of hustling that. Right.

You're going to always be the nigger when you're a family getting some money. Right. You know what I'm saying? Interesting. Because when we think about Detroit, it's not like as, would you consider it a gang-oriented? It's more like neighborhood-oriented. That gang shit is new. Mm.

We were from neighborhoods. Right. You know what I'm saying? So you didn't affiliate or consider yourself part of like anybody else besides just the people you grew up around, sort of? No, just my family in my block. Right. That's it. Interesting.

I never was like no, like a blood or, you know, like a blood or, you know, or creep or nothing. Right. So was the music, like, did you give up on it at a certain point, or was it just kind of like ups and downs? You just didn't really see a reason to get real serious with it.

I just weren't making as much money as I was making doing other things. So it was like, it was something fun to do. I was doing it because I loved to do it. It wasn't for the money. Right. Because I was making money doing other shit. Right.

And so where was your music career at, like, before you went in for the Fed case? I ain't going to lie. I was bigger My image was bigger than what I was getting paid before I went to jail because I probably wouldn't get

shit like $7,500 or so probably like $5,000 a verse with the video some shit like that Right I mean that's pretty good right Yeah I mean

It was cool But I mean it's cool for a nigga who just start rapping but not for no nigga like me Well maybe not

It was cool because I was good with money So you know what I'm saying Right It was cool It was cool If you can get $5,000 for

and you're basically in like the top 1% of rappers for the most part, I would say. Let me, let me, let me, let me say this too. I'm a hell of grateful and thankful. You know what I'm saying? I ain't like, I was a hell of appreciative at that time. You know what I'm saying? But looking back, like, it was peanuts to me, not. And so when I started, I wasn't really making no money before I went to jail.

But I was a bigger artist, but I wouldn't really get paid a lot. Right. Yeah. But, I mean, you were working on like a independent, local, level too and especially at that time the Detroit scene hadn't like popped off right because I was moving and groove and I just weren't really they just weren't paying me like you know what I'm saying they weren't fucking with me like that I was getting more money like doing features and shit because I was doing a lot of them you know what I'm saying but I weren't really getting a lot of money for shows and shit like that

right but it was adding up because I was doing so many of them right when you think about the feature thing is that is that a risk for your career you know like do you feel like you're running the risk of sort of watering yourself down when you go do a song with a whack artist? No, now, I do. I think about it like that now. Because now that I don't really need the money. Now you have the luxury and not doing that shit. Yeah.

I just picking shoes, like, who I want to work with. Yeah. No. Yeah, because, I mean, we've seen a lot of artists over the years who, you know, they might have done their image a little bit of damage by just doing a fucking feature with everybody under the sun. Because you don't even be knowing who you'd be doing something. songs with yeah and that could get messy real quick yeah sometimes you got a it ain't always about the money

right you know what I'm saying you don't want to accept money from the wrong type of person yeah that's the hardest thing to figure out I think early in your rap career is how do you figure out what are the opportunities that you should take and what are the opportunities you should turn down because of a long-term brand that you're building you know that's more of what I'm on right yeah so I don't really like doing features no more like that. I feel like it's a big fucking power up when somebody offers me a bunch of money and I just say no, I'm just like not even going to think about this

unless you offer me 10 times as much. I'll be doing this shit all the time though. Like I've turned down a lot of shit. But that's like we're playing street fighter and my fucking super charged move bar is powering up. I don't know what it leads to at the end. It makes you feel good to turn down a big like fuck that shit.

You know what I'm saying? Right. But you got to stand on business though. It don't be a buyer. the money. You know what I'm saying? You gotta stand on what you're standing on. I turned down a strip club booking the other day so I could get a good night's sleep and I felt pretty good about that too. I'm gonna do that shit. I would have went for about a hour or two. It was a two in the morning. I'm just like fuck that. I got a one year old. Yeah, I got to went.

I know I felt like kind of a buster. It's like no, I don't be going on no more like that. Really? Was that you for a long time? You'd be spending all your money in the strip club and shit? Hell yeah. I came home spending a shit load of money in clubs. Hell yeah. So now I don't even go out like that no more. Right. Okay, when did you get, why did you get a shot? What happened? I don't know. I don't know where I'm going to place, one of the time, I think. Right. Weren't you, like, posting in the car or something? I feel like I had a written down here. You were in a car? You fell asleep in the car? Is that it?

No, hell. I ain't fall asleep in a car in your shot. I was at the gas station. I guess I went to the wrong gas station. Right. Yeah. At that time, you even know you had problems with people like that? I don't have no problems with nobody. Respect. Okay, so then what was the Fed? case over I posted been a alleged game remember let the lyrics tell it

hmm they tried to use that against you they did use it against me right that's how I got convicted it was I ended up doing two years due to my rap lyrics and music video any specific bars no it's like two Pacific videos though two specific videos though two Pacific songs. One called Young Nigger Whirl, Young Nigger Way, and another one called Before Rap. They used both of them in my indictment. What was in the video that was problematic?

All my co-defendants, guns and shit, like, you know what I'm saying? Crazy. Were they able to match the guns from the video to other things? No, it wasn't like that. What it was was when we got indicted, I got superseded, so when they indicted them, they went back and looked at the videos and shit and it came back and got me.

Damn. Because I'm the biggest nigga from over there, so they're like, they're thinking that if they, you know, pick me up, it'd be a weakness because I got the most to lose. You know what I'm saying? But the guideline

say I ain't going to have really no time doing jail, so I just went on and did my shit. Right. So what was the actual charge that they got you with? Conspiracy to racketeering. Racketeering conspiracy, whatever. Yeah. And only two years, though.

That sounds like pretty light. 18 months. Okay. Because I ain't had no criminal history. That's why I said the guidelines. Really? Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Fuck. So what- It sounded scary, but in reality, like, once you got in a knit, in a knit of shit, I really weren't looking at shit. The most depressing part about this must have been that you have been grinding for all these years. And, like, around the time you went in is when Detroit's music scene starts, like, to really pop off, right? Which was cool. Like, I feel like it was the best time to go.

Mm. For me. Why is that? You couldn't take advantage of the opportunities that were in front of you right then. I was burnt out already. You gotta think we've been, I've been popular like 12 years in the city.

Right. Never, like not been, like, I never not got booked. I never not been popping. Like, you know, some niggas fall back, take a break and got to get hot again. Yeah. I never had to go through that.

You know what I'm saying? So it was time for me to just go sit back, learn some new. Because if I would have never went to jail, I wouldn't have never got my mind right. Like, I stopped, like, when I got in the hole, like, when I went to prison and went in the hole, like, I picked up some new habits, like, started back reading, started back writing again. Because I hadn't really, like, used the pen or pencil since I've been in high school. Right. You know what I'm saying?

So, like, I ain't even know how to write a letter when I went in that bitch. You were having a hard time remembering how to write letters? My handwriting was just terrible. I was embarrassed to send a letter. because my hand right was so fucked up. Damn. You know what I'm saying? So I just got better.

Just pick that reading habits. Like, you know what I'm saying? And you got focused in prison. Learning body, learning niggas. Like, you know, just, because you're so close. There's nothing, you can't go nowhere. You got to be on point every single day, all day. And it teaches you, like, so much disciplining patience.

And I just applied that shit. Like, I wouldn't have never learned that shit if I ain't go to jail. Right. Do you think, did you need to be humbled to a certain extent? was already humble. I'm already humble. That's why I'm blessed. I just knew I needed to go to prison because that was the only part I was missing. Now I can really say I've seen everything. Been in jail, been in the shit, been shocked, we didn't deal dirt, been to jail. A lot of niggas never been a prison. What was the thing that surprised you the most about prison? You've been hearing about it

for all these years and then you're finally there. It was like, I mean, it wasn't nothing really surprising because whoever you is on the street that's who you're going to be in prison you know what I'm saying so when I got there that shit was like a cake walk for me the only thing it was like during holidays and shit when you miss your kids and birthdays and families and shit other than that it was cool like I ain't gonna say like I like I had a good time in jail but like jail wasn't bad all things considered yeah you went in there with a lot of respect too probably everybody fucking music and shit yeah a lot of niggas knew me for music but a lot of niggas didn't know me for music

You got to think you like dealt with people from all over the world. Right. You know what I'm saying? So some people might know you and some people might not. But you're locked up in Michigan? I was locked up in Ohio. That rapper shit don't mean nothing in prison. You got to be a G.

You got to be on man time in jail. You could be a rapper, but what the fuck do that post of me? Right. It's murderers in this bitch. Like, that rapping shit don't mean. You know what I'm saying? You got to be on man time in prison. I'm on man time.

Damn. Did you run into any crazy situations? Anybody try to test you in there? I had one education in jail where a nigga stole a cell phone from me. Ooh. Yeah. We beat his ass half the death and nobody never stole them from me again. How long?

You had a phone like the whole time you were in there? Mm-hmm. I mean, I had phones the old time I was in jail. Right. It's not that hard to pull it off? No, it's hard to pull it off, but I pulled it off. Damn. Like when you got a few dollars, you can maneuver for shit.

Right. Right. I mean, that must just be the greatest relief ever. Nah, it make your time go slow. Really? Yeah, because you get to see everything going on out here. When you're in jail, the last thing you want to know is what's going on in the outside world. Everybody at parties, clubs, having a good old time, girls. All that shit is supposed to be, like, torture.

Yeah, you're right. Yeah, that shit made the time go slow. But it was like, that was the bid. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's how I was doing my bid, so it was the phone. So you started writing a lot more lyrics and shit? Like how do you-

I wrote some music in jail? Right. I wrote like 40 raps in there. Okay. But I wasn't really thinking about writing in jail because I didn't write on the street. I ain't started writing until I went to the hole. Really?

Because it wasn't nothing to do. Why'd you go to the hole? I got caught with the cell phone. After you beat this dude's ass for it? No, that was another phone. Oh, okay. Yeah. Damn, so they put you in there for what,

like a month or something shit when they get cut the phone? Three months. Three months for the phone. Yeah. Jesus. 90, well, it was a, I got, when I went to the hole, they investigated me for 30 days. And they sentenced me to 30 days.

Then I had to quarantine for 30 days. Oh, my God. It's a quarantine. You're not even around anybody. What do you? No, it was COVID. Like, when I went to the hole, COVID had first popped off, which was like a blessing. Like, I never caught COVID.

Like, I went to the hole. When everybody caught COVID in jail, I was in the hole. Wow. I don't caught it, you know what I'm looking at the bright side. So when I, like, during the whole pandemic, that whole shit that was going on, I was in the hole, so I never seen it. Like, when the world changed, like, what everybody's seen, I ain't see it. It was a wild couple months there.

I ain't see none of it. Like, I never seen it because I was in jail. I ain't see none of that shit. Right. I was reading newspapers and shit and seeing shit, but I had never seen, like, a real nothing of the pandemic. Did it really start kind of driving you crazy because you're seeing a lot of your friends blowing up and like the music

is just getting more and more popular while you're in there. It was fucking me up. Like, because before I went to the hole, like, all right, niggas was doing their shit. But when I came out from the hole, niggas was posting like hundreds of thousands of dollars on Instagram and shit, like new cars and new jury and shit. And it was my niggas.

Like my niggas, though. Like, we was having motion, but niggas was having motion motion when I got out the hole. Right. When I'm looking at it on the ground during the pandemic. And then you, you're all of a sudden thinking like I don't want to miss out on this like who knows because I knew I was gonna be straight anyway right you know what I'm saying but it was

like it was fucked it was fucked up because I had never seen I like that you know right where everybody had money at one time was crazy to me I mean then then it was more hype because I was watching all my friends because you know everybody like the whole world was doing good so everybody was spending money with rappers right so that's when all my niggas like took off took off like not saying like niggas took off and the pandemic but niggas blew up because everybody spent money with them yeah because everybody you know what I'm saying think about how many features Rio did in the pandemic oh yeah I remember him saying like I'm doing three mixed tapes with three different artists this week you got to think

about how many niggas couldn't afford the Rioverse and then got the money there's people like thousands of people probably did that shit the PPP shit changed everything huh and not just Rio ice wear a vezo yeah baby face ray motherfucking everybody they're all the rappers right right Everybody fans have money. Yeah. Fuck. So that's kind of make you want to pull your hair out while you're locked up. You're just dying to get out.

Hell no. I'm sitting back chilling waiting on my time. Right. I ain't fucked. I wouldn't fuck that. I would be going crazy. I'm like, let me the fuck out right now.

I don't never go crazy because what's for me was for me. I'm always happy for him. You always had this sort of like real laid back demeanor? Yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah. Always been like this. I ain't never the nigga in the party dancing and like,

I'm always ninging in the back just smoking my weed, chilling. Right. Just watching. I'm just laying low, playing slow. I look like I'm having a good time, but I'm paying attention to everything. I always been like that.

Right. Definitely. Were you sober the whole time you're locked up? No, I smoked a lot of weed in prison. Really? Yeah. Not that hard to get it? No, I smoked a lot of weed in prison.

Like, it's got to be weird, though. You're just smoking a lot less, right? I smoked so much. I smoked more weed in jail than I did. Damn, you're out here. You got two blunts in front of you for this one interview. I mean, that's got to be a lot of, that's a lot of weed for when you're locked up, right? They're breaking cigarettes in half.

All right. Now, these two blunts, it's probably like, what, what do you think? It's probably like three grams or something. Something along those lines? So three grams, I'm going to roll a gram in each blending jail. And they're not even doing that in there. But I am, though, because I'm getting money. You feel what I'm saying?

I'm rolling that gram. They rolled papers up. Like, let me show you something. This shit right here, like... Like a little pinch. This shit right here, $10 in jail. That's a zigzag. It ain't even that.

This is what niggas in there smoking. Right. Yeah, like when they get paid, a nigga gonna come baddest for $10 when they get their check. Right. Versus a nigga like me, I got three at ease. The skinny ones, though. You know what I'm saying?

That's like 10 at ease. and that. God damn. Yeah, I'm that type of nigga in jail. The streaming money was coming in that consistently while you were locked up? I had money before I went. Right. Then you got to think, like, I was still getting, yeah, hell yeah, I was still getting paid when I went to jail.

Because that was one of the main things that Rio said. He's like, Pizzi showed me how his fucking tune core check or whatever. But I wasn't even making a lot of money like that. Like, I probably show, like, the tune core check probably was for like $12,000,000, but I had picked up like some actual money. Right. Like where he's seen me like hand in hand, like a nigga give me this to do a show or a feature or

and it was a lot of money. Like I had gathered up that day. I'm like, rap with me. Let me show you something. Right. Look what I just got. Look at they just sent me. And I watch what I'm going to go pick up.

I'm like, nigga, you could do this shit or you got to do his rap. And you did that out of the goodness of your heart. You didn't have them signed or anything at that point. No, I ain't have them saying. Right. Like real sign because he wanted to. That's what he wanted to do And when the contract was up

We all had a meeting I'm like bro You know your contract If you're gonna be out You're like bro Don't even talk to me like that bro You know what the fuck going on That's what's up

You had already had the label For a couple years At that point when you met him? Yeah I was yeah The label was already going on When I made rea Okay And you already had some guys sign

And everything It was just me rapping Okay When I made Rio But It was just me on the label, but, you know, we all was clicked up. Me, Ray Vez, we all

was, because you got to think I just met Rio in, like, 2018. Right. So we was already doing our, doing our shit at that time. You had been fucking with Vezo and Babyface Ray since, like, way back, or? Yeah, hell yeah. It's like, me and Ray, we all grew up together. Really? Yeah, me and Ray

from, we are from the same neighborhood, six-mile. We all six-mile, niggies, all of us. But little Perry and D-N-N-Ey's from East Warmer. That's got to be pretty trippy, that you're all doing so good for yourself. That's what I'm when I got out the hole and seen everybody doing good. It was like

but you know I ain't saying like niggas finally came up but I'm talking about like everybody popping doing their shit on you know niggas book for rolling lives and festivals and shit. That's what I'm saying like that fucked me up. I mean a lot of people from outside Detroit talk about all you guys like they're your favorite rappers

myself included you know it's like that's just clearly there's a lot of fucking energy coming from the city from y'all in particular because we've been like Blackboard, I don't say Blackball, but Detroit ain't get no light for so long. Detroit, like, man, I swear to God.

I ain't think we had never get, nobody in Detroit had never had, like, get signed, or never, like, be big as they is. Like, even independently, I just didn't see it because we've been Blackballed so long. Yeah, I mean, there's a lot of generations of fire rappers from Detroit that didn't really, maybe make it as big. Like, the street lords and the Cheddar Boys and all this shit,

like, they wanted, this was they dream and shit, like that you know what i'm saying and they ain't get to do it in a lot of people after them so like it was like a dark cloud on the d for so long i don't know what it was so like now it's like up and it's like a boiling pot it's hard in the d yeah so i hear um for sure but okay so when you finally come home what's that like when i came home like it was lit right it was lit as fucking when i came home but it was like kind of i was kind of like i was kind of like i ain't a lie i didn't understand the house because everybody had a mask on and I ain't know who motherfuckers was right everybody knew who I was yeah and I had a mask on I'm like fuck everybody you know who I am and I don't know

nobody was you know what I'm saying so on because when I first came home I went like moving with security and shit I'm still popping out like how I was before I left and not and not realizing that I'm way bigger than I'm so I'm popping out just popping out and shit I'm like man this shit weird I don't even know these people there was a little period of time there where you would see somebody coming up to you on the street with a mask on and you'd be ready to jump out of your fucking ski. You can't walk up on nobody with no fucking mask, man. You can't do that.

Because your whole life wearing a mask was like, oh, they're going to rob you. And then all of a sudden it's like, no, it's just anybody. Or you're saying with a mask. Like, what the fuck they're doing with a man? You know what I said? So not everybody got them on. Nerves got them on.

So when motherfuckuck was walking in, like, you know what I'm saying? We fuck with you. Or I don't know if they're trying to line the nigga up. Or what? So for a minute when I first came home, like, man, I'm chilling. But as a fan.

It is kind of nice, right? Because you can kind of be a lot more anonymous once you throw that shit on. Not me. You don't feel? People just know my walk or my body or something like that because the mask don't even, I don't even got to have like no chain on it and then people that know who I am.

They might like the eyes or something, I don't know. You're a big guy, but you got like. Like I got a big, like you can tell my body structure. Like you know it's me. Yeah. Like, so the mask don't really mean, none. Yeah. And some of the videos when you're dancing a little bit

rapping it's just like a very very distinct movement. Yeah. Trademarked. But I do that shit like for nothing. I'd be in the house doing this shit. Right. I'd just be doing this shit. I'd be feeling good, just dancing.

Do you get in the studio right away when you get home from prison? Or are you just partying and having a good time for a while? When I first came home, I did get right in the studio. Because I had a lot of shit that I had wrote a prison stuff. I got that out immediately. Then I got on the bullshit. Right. So you spit all the shit that you had already written?

Some of it. Not everything, but like Free Rio, my album had a lot of written stuff that I did in jail. Really? Yeah. That's interesting, because I kind of feel like when I listened to that album, it feels like there's a different level of care to each bar. Because I was like, what can I do different? You know, like, before I went to jail, I wasn't writing at all.

And everybody who I listened to, like, they made. music like your whole substance and shit right so like I'm like you know it's cool that like I have fun but we put a little substance in this shit so I just start taking more care with it writing shit down and just you know what I'm saying yeah sticking to the hook like if I make a hook I want to keep the subject like just you know just doing shit like that did real did real go in before you got out or like right after you got to I was happy because I got to spend like four months with them really mm-hmm how was that Just like the old days.

It was lit because he was rich. I'm rich. It was like, you know what I'm saying? Then we both love the same shit. We both shop and get high. So that's all we did. And shop got high and went to the studio every single day. Right.

Every day. Shop, get high, go to the studio. Shop, get high, go to the studio. Repeat. Right. What the fuck are you guys buying when you go shopping every day? Just mad clothes? See, me, like, I'm going to be gangster with you.

I was, like, kind of chubby, so I was, like, kind of chubby, so I was kind of chubby. I was always a flat nigga, but when I came home, like, a lot of the shit, I wanted to wear I couldn't really fit. So I was just, like, man, all the shoes, all the coats, all the, like, flat shit. But, honey, he was wearing all off white, like, a lot of verge of shit. He wake up every day and buy out of it. Right.

Get dressed in the mall every single day. Like, Monday through Sunday, he'd wake up and go buy outfit. So, of course, you got more shit than me. Right. You know what I'm saying? I just go, I got about 10, 12 pairs of shoes at one time, grab a couple of coats. You know, I'm a white tea, black tea nigg because I wear. a lot of jewelry. Right. So, you know, we shop a lot. You know, that's the type of shit we buy,

and, you know, he was crazy on a syrup, heavy syrup when I came home. Right. Heavy, heavy syrup. You were already fucking with that, or? I've been drinking lean since, like, 2004. Right. Yeah. But he was taking it to a different level? I mean, I want to say taking it to a different level, because we always drink heavy. Right. But it was just, he was able to afford it, so he never, like, took a break, like, never. But the crazy part of the bottle, when I came home, Like, it was so, lean was so expensive. Yeah. But he never made me pay for it.

Really? Yeah. That's why that's my nigga. He never made me pay to pull up. Right. Okay. But so, like, when I'm interviewing him, it really stood out to me like, damn, this is like the most loyal motherfucker ever.

Like, he just really felt like he got the blueprint from you, and he was just like, fuck it. I'm riding with him forever. That's my twin. You got to think about it. Like, when I say twin, like, everything about it's like then they're the same from our our mothers both our parents was on drugs you get what I'm saying both our fathers got different kids our upbringing is the same you get what I'm saying right everything about us is the same you know what I'm saying right that's why I call him my twin even from the way like he

like he moved through the rap shit like I got on like I didn't get like big from I think I made I got all my money like like really hand-in-hand and moving around features and shit like that like that's I stack a lot of my money. That's how you do. Right. Like, I'm a type of a nigga, like, I go out of time, go make me $60,000 in a day. So I don't really be tripping about doing too many shows.

You know what I'm saying? Rio never really did shows. Right. Because we can go make $100,000 a week. It don't take no time to go make $100,000, $40,000 a day. On a good day, I promise you, like, no exaggeration. I watch, like, Rio Cana Callie and made $100,000 as soon as he got here. Like, soon as he landed.

Right. You know what I'm saying? And that's kind of like the influence that you had on him is showing him like this is how you do it. But I wasn't making that type of money though until I came home. Like I can go make me 20, 30,000. That was good with me. I go get my $5,000 show.

Might make me $10,000, doing some features. I'm cool with that. You know what I'm saying? I might make me a $20,000 a weekend. Might be $30, give or take. That's cool with me. But real ticket to where I'm like, I'm seeing niggas make industry money, him. And you got to think he wasn't even,

he ain't even have an Instagram of 2018 to where I come on he's bigger than me But there's something different That he brought to the rap shit Where a lot of rappers are flexing And they're saying positive things about themselves And he was so funny that he took it to like

I'm gonna say some shit that is So clearly a joke But I'm like making fun of myself Making fun of my own bad habits Like he just took What you can do it Yeah exactly You feel me that's why we don't give a fuck about saying

our mammas was a drug agas and shit but they're not no more but we don't run from that shit it's funny to us now why wouldn't it be funny and we bless right it's like saying I'm mad at my daddy still wow I'm a millionaire

I don't get no fuck I'm not mad about that yeah you know what I'm saying like so yeah like niggas don't be tripping it's funny right real life shit is funny now when you're getting money and you're making you loving what you do it's funny to us right

you ever feel you start taking it for granted or are you always thinking about the fact that you sort of overcame these circumstances you grew up in. I was taking it for granted. I did. I took rap for granted for a long time. That's why I never could really get nowhere with it.

Because I was bullishing with it. I was half-assed. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's taking it for granted when you're doing something else. When you know what you really want to do with your life, when you half-ass and doing other shit. I was taking my craft for granted.

I did that shit. Yeah. That's how I went to jail. Do you think of yourself as a rapper or a hustler first? I'm a hustler first. Because if it wasn't rap, it would just be other things. Because I'm going to get some. money regardless.

I sell t-shirts if I got to whatever. That's a hustler. Like, it's a difference between the drug dealing and a hustler. I'm a sell whatever. I used to steal clothes and sell shit. Like, it was, it was like stores that sold fake designer in Detroit.

And I knew niggas, like, it was getting money. I'd go buy fake jeans and shit for like $50 and go selling to the niggas for like $150. Like, I was going to always have some money. I bought my first car. I was stealing clothes. Right. Yeah.

You're pretty thankful that you've figured out a legal route though we don't have to deal with all that fear and risk yeah but even though it was fun it made me like the risk the whatever the fear all this shit made a nigga right it was fun to us because i mean people tend to in rap they glamorize the the fun part of selling drugs or hustling or whatever and they don't really tend to emphasize the fact that you know going to sleep feeling like the feds might be busting in your doors not a great feeling you just got to know what you up for. You know what I'm saying? Everybody grown. We all know what we're doing. You know what I'm saying? So shit. If you want to live your life like that, man, just be standing on it. Right. You know what I'm saying?

You got to stand on that shit however you living. So we don't be tripping about if the feds gone. You know what I'm saying? A lot of niggas, they don't be built for it. They jump in this shit and don't even have to. Like a lot of niggas grow up sport. A lot of niggas. A lot of niggas. A lot of niggas. I mean, I didn't have to do a lot of shit that we did, and be wanting to do street shit, then get caught up and tell. You feel what I'm saying?

Right. Versus when you, like, mourn, you already know, like, I'm going to jail or I'm going to die anyway. Right. So, no, niggas don't be tripping when we, like, laying down in nighttime and shit like that, because we know what's going on.

Definitely. Yeah. Is it odd for you? I'm happy that I ain't got to live like that no more. Right. Yeah. Definitely. Is it odd for you to see a lot of,

smaller rappers in Detroit kind of trying to come up off the beef shit because you always avoided that in the music at least, right? See, me, I knew I could go to, I went to jail before, like, beef rap was, like, hella, hella popular. I got to, went to jail in, like,

2016 for rap shit. Right. So I'm like, I ain't fin to be talking about no gangster shit because they already using it against me, nah. And you weren't even talking about who you had issues with or saying, this guy got killed.

Like, the shit we had going on in the street, wasn't nobody rapping about it. You feel what I'm saying? So when we got indicted, they made it seem like the music was about other people. Right. Even though a nigga just going with the flow. Imagine getting caught up in your power. I never was rapping about, like, talking about no niggas and doing no shit.

Like actual songs where you're like listing off people. But I understand it though. I get it not. I get it though because like, nigga, you're taunting a nigga want to taunt you. Like, you know what I'm saying? You're spying on a nigga. You're rapping about my people, nigga. Like, nigger, we spent.

We're going to rap about your people. And we can make some money off it. Right. Like, that's why I understand it. That's why I'll be telling me like, you're stupid. Because it really ain't stupid. Right.

It really ain't stupid. It's like risky, though. You know what I'm saying? But it's not stupid, though. If you were on step one right now as a rapper, like, if you were just starting out as a rapper, do you look back and think, like, fuck, I might be on that right now.

No, I've never been a nigga that was going to do that. Not me. Like, nah, niggas I'm around. Like, there's some niggas I'm around that's going to do that. But Peezy ain't the nigga who were going to do it like that. Right. I was never going to do it like. that with my brothers to get on that but not pto right you ain't gonna do it do you see anything happening though

in terms of detroit that you're a little like worried about like some really foul shit going on between people who got issues with each other i just see regular shit do you see the cardboard cutouts no oh man i just pray everybody be safe out there that's some shit that i'm out the streets so i don't be really like you know i just see it just like you do i just seen it on twitter i seen some rappers who made cardboard cutouts of some dead people that they had issues with and I was like,

that's another level right there I don't be seeing it because it's a lot it's like I can't watch all of yeah it's like you're saying that it's like 10 niggas did it so I don't know like

I don't really like and then I don't want to see that type of shit yeah because I know everybody and then I'm like the big brother from the city you know so like everybody I can't be the nigga

who would be like I don't fuck with them because you did this to them I don't fuck with you because you did this to them because everybody fuck with me so I just got to be like shit I'm gonna watch a play out just like Adam is you feel what I'm saying?

Right. What the fuck can I do? That's good that you have that role or the people respect you enough to let you have that role. So a nigga don't mind when it's like you did a song with him and he did a song with them

I'm gonna tell a nigga off the rip look bro don't put nobody I'm not doing this record I don't do that. You feel what I'm saying the nigga don't respect that if you want to do a song with me it's my stipulation.

Right. And I'm gonna fall back and let it play. I don't watch it like you. Right. When you're doing your stuff for your album or whatever, is a totally different mind state

than when you're just locking in doing random songs or doing features or whatever. Like, you feel like you have to go way harder for your album? Because you have an album dropping soon, right? Yeah, but I don't really, like, never lock in for no album, though.

Right. Because I don't ever make wax songs. That's what I think. I don't think I make music so like the shit I make I just put it on shit I don't never have songs that just be sitting around like I ain't gonna use that I ain't gonna use I'm using all this really yeah how many songs the album mode is anytime I make a song and put sit on like then it's time turn tape in what we got in the hard drive that's an album mode to me I don't never sit on like

I ain't never done that before to me back end is like one of the best rap songs I ever heard just so consistently like each bar is just some you know incredible shit. But I was thinking about it. I'm like, he probably made five songs that night. And this song probably didn't stand out as all that different than the rest of the songs. You want to tell you something?

I knew that song was hurt. Really? Because I listened to it after I made it, like, ten times in the row. Like, I made that song. Probably like four in the morning. Probably like five in the morning. I was sitting in the car listening to that bitch about, to the sun came up.

That's how I knew that was hard. Yeah. Was anything special going on? You just had a feeling once you heard it. No, no, I wasn't nothing special going on. I think I was wrapping up the No Hook album, though.

Right. Yeah. That's what was going on. And that song was like, I'm like, this is going to seal the deal right here. This is going to seal the deal right here. What were you thinking when you said that you popped a park and said, now you felt like Batman?

It's this nigga. Everybody thinks I'm talking about like Batman. It's this nigga from my way. You know what I'm saying? His name Batman. Right. He was like crazy. Well, he started all crazy on,

liking it. Okay. You know what I'm saying? And when the perks came in, he was like, you know, it's converted over. So when I said I popped the perk, I'm like I feel like Batman. I'm off this perk. I feel like Batman. Not Batman. Like, you know what I'm? Yeah. That's why it's funny to me though is like the idea that like maybe that's why Batman's running around at night fighting all these criminals is because he's off a perk. No, I'm talking about this nigga from my hood. For sure. So was there a point where you were fucked up with the drugs? You had a Xanax phase there, right? Yeah.

When was that? And how'd you get over it? I'm gonna be all the way gangster with you. I just was bad on Xanax when I just got out of jail. Really? Because Xanax is a drug I love. That's why I can't do them. Yes.

That's 100% same. You know what I'm saying? I love Zanex. That's why I can't fuck with him like that. It'll ruin my life. I crashed cars of Xanax. Man, I had... It got that bad.

Yeah. I don't even like talking about that. Zanex shit. My experience with Xanax is crazy. I just crashed. Like, I'll tell you my latest, my recent experience with the Xanax. Okay. I had, me and my nigga Tizzles, like, the rest of piece of Tizzam.

We was riding. Just got back in time. Now, I just got back in time from coming from out here. I popped the Xanax to get on the plane to go to sleep. Right. And now when I landed, I'm like, man, take me to grab two Zans because I had got them to tour of my girl before the plane landed. And I know she's gonna talk my ear off.

So I'm like, if I go on off the Zan, I'm gonna just go to sleep anyway. So I tell Tiz was like, man, take me to get a Zan, then drop me off at the Creole because I'm trying to avoid the confrontation with my girl. Right. But, remind you, I'm still high from the other Xanax.

So when I throw the football back, I black out off the bitch. I'm driving, though. You know what I'm saying? Smack my car. Boom. I hit some old white lady. You know what I'm saying?

But we made it. Everything was good. Like, it ain't like, hitting run and then I took care of that boom left from there I'm like fuck and I need another car so I left from the accident went to lou graham horse loo grange had a white rose royce at this time he had a white bins and he had a truck so I'm telling tizzle like man take me to pick the rose truck up lou never tell me no so I'm like man fucking take me to pick the rose race up I crash my bins take me to pick the rose race it's six in the morning right you feel me tisle like man you ain't

driving the motherfucking rose race you feel me so I go pick the truck up on my way home driving the truck I smack that bitch up boom smack that bitch up boom I just got out of accident 30 minutes ago why tis will let me drive this man

car I don't know I smack that bitch boom hit my nose on the stand wheel wake up took off on the ass you feel me that was it I don't do Xanax no more nothing bad came from that Nah, hell no.

I was like some just some regular ghetto shit. Wow. Some regular ghetto shit. Wasn't nothing crazy. But that was the eye opener right there. I can't do no more X. Yeah. I can't do no Xanax.

Once I'm a motherfucking smack the motherfucking cart, boom. Looked up. My motherfucking nose bleeding and shit. Yeah. I'm gone, man, I'm getting the fucking, I can't do these damn. And I'm guessing you don't even remember that night that well. It's probably kind of a blur. It wasn't nothing.

It wasn't nothing. Nobody got hurting nothing. Right. I'm the only person got hurt. Right. I smacked the steering wheel and then there broke my nose. You feel what I'm saying? I'm like, I can't do this no more.

I can't fuck with D's an egg no more. Yeah. It makes it really hard to stay serious about. But I love that's when I don't fuck with them. Yeah. Because I love them. But you don't strike me as like an anxious person. And that's why I think I like it is because I am an anxious person.

I have that anxiety and it just zaps it out of my body. I don't really, I got patience, but I don't got patience. I can sit back and wait. but like I'll be ready to get shit like yeah be like I'll be like I need Xanax sometime but I don't take Xanax I yeah like my anxiety like like like you say it's like like if I go to the club I'm fucking bored like I want to get the fuck out because I want to do something more like active but then if I was on Xanax I'm talking to everybody having a good old time let me tell you bro like Xanax made me talk like well before I had a girl

oh yeah Xanax made me talk the hoes like I can say the smoothest shit like with no conscience. I can say anything to a bitch of a Xanax and don't care about how she feel about it. Right. The smoothest way

though it could be disrespectful just like the Xanax just make me just like bitch suck my dick right now. Like boy, you crazy. Right. But I'm serious though

off these Xanax. You feel me? Wavy like they make me feel that's why I can't fuck with them. I want to feel like that forever. Yeah. And I know it's a dream. You got to meditate and do yoga

if you want to feel like that forever. They can't make me feel like that's Xanax. I knew you were serious about your girl when I heard make my bitch pull a bitch. I ain't got to cheat. Nah, my girl don't do that type of shit. She didn't like that one? That was just a bar.

She know I'd just be going on my flow sometime. I had a girlfriend like that. But I wasn't talking about my recent girlfriend. She don't do that type. She ain't going. Right. She ain't going. It's funny because I had to basically ask Rio the same thing

about like, how does your girl feel about the bars about beating her ass and shit? Because niggas just be, I don't know. I don't know about Reeble. I ain't saying he'd be this girl. Right, yeah. He said, but like me, like, my girl, she know I just be talking a lot of shit, like, for as, or I could be talking like previous shit.

Right. You know what I'm saying? But a lot of music, though, when I make female music, I tell, like, I try to tell her, like, you just got to let me be free with this shit. Right. You know what I'm saying? Just let me be free with this female music. This is what I like doing.

I notice that when you make a song about sex that a lot of times I actually like it, which a lot of the rappers I like the most. I don't want to fucking hear them talk about fucking. Yeah. But you do it in such a good way. No more. Papa Perk 10. You did a job.

Yeah, because it's like, you know, I know how to make me. You got to think, you got to think, I study music. So all the biggest songs is girl songs. This is true, yeah. You got to figure out a way to do it. So why not learn how to make the hardest girl songs? This is the formula. You feel me?

And I think girls secretly like that kind of, make me make me blow up you gotta think like i always say this like this is my like i always use this anti like if you ride with a female she bad as hell and you ain't never fucked her and she'd be like play fucking rio legendary 10 times in a row i give you some head in the car what you gonna do you're gonna play that bitch 10 times in a row for some head you're gonna do what the bitch is like you know what i'm saying so bitch is like girl songs right so i make girl songs because the bitch is like going to make the niggas listen to it right bitch is going to blow you up you got

keep the right ratio though like you got to be you got to get the women you got to get the girls if you want to really get some money out because the girls blow niggas up but how many if your album has 20 songs how many songs are for the girls got to be at least three hard ones on there for the girls three hard ones though right it got to be three hard ones on there for girls right you gotta have balance with that shit what's it take to make pizy wife a girl up what she what's need. I'm B-G with you. I always had good girlfriends, and I only had, like, I only had my whole life, like, five girlfriends.

And all, like, all of my girlfriends I could say was, like, except for, like, I ain't shade nobody with, you know what I'm saying? I had to make me decent girlfriends. But what makes me wife a girl? Trust. Definitely trust one. With my new girl, with the girl on with now, I knew I could trust her from the first day, like, when we was chilling, I knew I could trust her.

You know what I'm saying? Because she listened more than she talked. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I knew I could trust her. But trust is one. Like respect is another thing too. Like I like how girls talk.

Like if a girl disrespectful to their parents, I can't fuck with them. You know what I'm saying? I pay attention to shit like that. Like style is another thing. You know what I'm saying? Style is another thing. And then education. Which should be kind of like first, but, you know.

You did a white girl? I have a fuck the white girl. white girl before i'm sure you fucked one yeah but could you date one i can't date nobody with korea right now interesting yeah i'm just trying to pitch a peasy day and a white girl i don't know i'm kind of having a hard time imagining it can't imagine it because career is the baddest how many years in on that one are you or is that that sense you got out no i was doing her before i went she held you down yeah it was like it was like because how i was living before i went i was like i was fucking stay in their rooms had injurious and safes and shit right it was like when I

went to jail like it was like right on time God sent somebody I need it boom but it was before I went so we got a chance to bond got to know each other right then I went and she like you know I ain't trying to like over I ain't gonna step my overstep my bonds reason nothing but I be here for you if you need me to be here for you hmm I check on your mama whatever you need me to do like I ain't asked you to be in a relationship with nothing but I be here for you right And she did that, you know. And she just, you know, got rewarded for it.

Yeah. Loyalty goes a long way. Ladies. Gina. Then, like, I'm, like, a real popular nigga, right? So, everybody knew I was messing with this girl. Mm. And, you know, a nigga can't wait to have some dirt on it, on the nigger girl.

Like, especially a rapper. Like, I never heard nothing to this day. Never, ever. Like you and I hear something like you know she used to fuck with dog or he was hitting her like you know right after you start going with a girl you start hearing shit Yep never heard nothing not one time right still to this day and I'll be with snipers I'm a sniper she know that I'm a sniper we everything in the city like I ain't just like back in the right snipers and then everything in the city like my friends my group of friends is like you can't we can sit around like we name them in the city That's how we're like, we snipers. And I never heard her name came up in these conversations.

Right. Just the same way female sit around and talk about niggas, you know how we do. Like, man, you scroll down the ground, yeah, man, you know, I'll take care of that. But then you did, like, you know, regular niggish shit. You ever had that problem in the past? Snipers, though. You had a girlfriend, and then at some point you just realized she fucked somebody that you just, duh. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. But then he'd be like, I'm what? Damn, too late. I'm in. Oh, but, yo, this is the question. would you rather it be fucking future or some loser-ass rapper that you have no respect for?

Wait. Are you asking me what I rather? This is all hypothetical. You know, like a fly-ass rapper that you respect the shit out of. Like, you know, a couple years, she's, whatever, a couple years before you got with her. Or a loser-ass rapper that you got no respect for that. I would rather it be a nigga like.

See, I'm a, I'm gonna judge a bitch off who she fucked before me, who her last nigga was. So if your last nigga was turned, then you know something. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because you see the girls in the game who are smart. If your last nigga was turned, then you know something.

But a lot of these bitches just got saved. Lames is just not getting money and saving these bitches that been losers back in the day. So I got to judge a bitch on who she's been with before me. Right. If I know you and I know your niggas, if I know your niggas is a fucking cornball and he saved you, I can't fuck with you. Right.

You feel me? Your market value is being set very low there. You got lucky. You know what I'm saying? She was polished. Right. You know what I'm saying? It's a difference.

Are you ever, like, just driving in the car, listening to a song you made, and then she just hears one bar that she don't like, and she's just... She don't like the girl's songs that I be making when it's like... You're talking about all this shit that's just imaginary scenarios or whatever. She don't like listening to it when I'm... with her.

Yeah. And she'd be like, you know, I like that song. Send it to me. What's that song where you talk about this bitch a mental patient? Like, is that a real story? Like, you saw her on the club and you had to hide? No, that wasn't a real story.

But shit like that happened, though. That shit was hilarious. I don't have this. You know what I'm saying? That song is like a scene and a movie where it's like you're painting the picture so well that I can imagine you're like ducking behind a planner and shit. It was like me trying to like paint like a picture.

Yeah. Like the point of the song was like if you like you could see the video Listening to it and a lot of rappers don't even get close to painting a picture like that yeah you know So basically like the song was like anybody could direct the video in their head right You feel me so yes it was like a movie for sure what uh what was your relationship with drake how did your first getting communication with him I think it was this first no jumper interview it was like I seen them niggas and they had like a lot of syrup on the table yeah and you was asking I'm like who they fuck with and they was like they listen to peasie and them oh fuck and i

reached out to him you know what i'm saying because really it's my my niggie k o his name k o go a lot of he shoot he shoot a lot of our videos he shoot my nigger foreign videos too he was he was listening to him first before anybody was right in the city you know what i'm saying the flu flam and shit so we used to get with k o used to here then i seen the interview and i seen he said he fucked to me and i'm like this the nigger koh was listening to so i popped that him in a dm Right. He was in jail and I ain't know that. You know what I'm saying?

So whoever was that was running his page sent me a song to get on. I don't think I ended up doing a song or whatnot. But I thought you were on that tape that came out while he was locked up, weren't you? Was I? Did I do it first? I think I did or I might have didn't. I don't know. I think because I almost feel like that's when I first heard you was on that fucking tape maybe.

I don't know. Maybe I did, though. I don't remember, though. If I don't know if I did, but that's how we built our relationship. Right. And when he got out, I was in jail. but you know I had the phone so I see him like damn my boy just popped out so I shot him some love but I ain't know him in Rio like already had like kind of like fuck with each other and

some shit like that I ain't know right oh no maybe I'm thinking a real real real I think I think I heard first on that tape that he did while he was locked up okay yeah yeah you're right had to be real right you know what I'm saying so when I came home and came out here it was like got with bro instantly yeah yeah how did you get along because you guys like lyrically you strike me as like like totally different stylistically But the things that make you great as a rapper are very much the same things that made him great. Just like a style of just saying the funniest most off the wall, thought-provoking shit. Yeah.

Well, if you're asking us how the chemistry was in the studio, he already had the song done. And, you know, we were both getting high. Right. We both doing whippers and shit and vapes and shit. So, like, where I jump on this. Like, fucking, I'm going to jump on that. But I'm going to have my voice sound like he is. That's why the song sounds like, you, if you hear me,

my voice on the song, you know what I'm, like, I got a clear voice and shit. It's something like I'm my ass hell on that bits. That's because that's the, that was the vibe. The whippets make your voice sound weird after a while. Are you a casual whippets? This is when I first came home, though. You fuck with them just a little bit or you go crazy with it? No, I was doing the whips before I went to prison.

Really? Yeah, like, it was crazy because like, 2019, I think I was probably like one of the only rappers. Like, we're one of the only niggas period in the city fucking with them with the whippets. Because I had got on them fucking with some Caldeans and shit. And I pulled it up to get a hookah from the store And I seen him doing that bitch I'm like, what the fuck is that? Right.

He like, trapped. But I remember I used to do them helium things And they used to make your voice change. Yeah, when you're a little kid. So I'm thinking it's that. So when I did that bitch and I went out And came back in, I was like, oh, my God. You fucked with it right away?

Oh, my God. I'm like, bro, give me five boxes of them bitches and give me a tank right now. Really? Right now. 2019, I did the bitches every day. I crashed my escalate. fucking with the whip it

because you were just getting too fucked up off because I wouldn't stop you know like when you drive you're not supposed to drive doing this shit so I'm driving with the knee on the wheel

whip it oh my god that bitch don't come down I ain't feel it I do another one after about 10 of them bitches I went completely out boom

boom I'm like what the fuck man I woke up on a curb escalate a lot of cars got destroyed in this interview

I fuck like my history wrecking cars. I fucked up. I fucked Tizzle BMW up. Tizzy had a 745 BMW. I fucked that bitch up. I fucked a yellow.

One of my men's had a yellow round Chevy, 96 rounds Chevy on 26 spinners with 26 those spinners. I smacked that bitch on the freeway. God damn. I smack my man, Ghost White Magnum. I smack my bins and I smack Loucair off the Zan.

I mean, I'm saying that you remind me of Draco and he was the foreign whip Crasher, so there's another thing you get on going. I smacked a lot of cars, but I can drown. Right. I can jaddo. I just was getting half fucking cars up. Right.

But it's just we didn't lean now or? I don't do no drugs now. Really? Yeah. Not even lean. No, I ain't there no lean in a year. Really? Yeah.

How's that going? That's the lean is that I don't want to do lean. Right. See my skin? Mm. You feel healthy? Hell yeah. You know how I feel like got to like I don't got to go out of time

to spend my money with niggas that I don't know. Because when you got a ton, you got to find a drink. No. Who got the drink? Who got the drink? You're pulling up on niggas. You ain't got no business pulling up on. You never filled up the fucking five-hour energy bottles and put it in your suitcase?

Yeah, but when that's gone, then you got to find a drink. Right. I mean, what are the best things about life now that you're off the lane? Watching my body change. Because you just get so fucking bloated. I don't even like looking at old videos and pictures. I hate seeing that shit. Right.

How the fuck was my face this big and I ain't know it? I ain't noticed like, what the fuck? You know what I'm saying? Right. Now that I look back and I can fit a 38 and 36 and some shit and like, you know what I'm saying? Extra large and stuff. I don't never want to do lean again.

I get fresh every day. Right. That's the number one main motivation is just being able to stay fly. You know what I'm saying? And it's like you got to look at your elders. You got to look at all the flyest, coolest rappers that you look up to that I look up to a large percentage of them did a fuckload of lean for a while and then at some point just had to say I cannot keep doing this this is going to kill me you know that happens to everybody

soon like I was I was lucky enough to quit and didn't get diabetes like you know what I'm saying a lot of niggins don't know when you're doing all that sugar for all them years you're going to get diabetes right you know what I'm saying and I was lucky enough to get off that shit and they have to get that shit. You know what I'm saying? My big brother got that shit. And he don't do lean. Right.

He did type of nigga want to drink a whole pint and a two-liter pot. That's how I'm in Rio. Rio and Lou Green. They want to flush drink like that. That's how they flush. I'm with some niggas that like to just drink lean. I'll be trying to tell him he's like, y'all niggas better chill to fuck out. Yeah.

Yeah, for real. The real challenge, if you want to fuck with it is to be able to do a little bit. You got to know how to drink lean. Right. It's the way you drink it. Really? I learned that from being around niggas in the South. Taking your time with it.

I watch niggas in it. Like, I know a nigga from Dallas. I ain't going to say nobody in that. You got, like, boxes of water stacked up to the ceiling. You got to drink water. You got to drink water. It's a certain amount of water. You got to sweat a certain amount.

You got to go to the dentist. It's like, shit, you can't just drink. Every day. You got to, it's like a car. You got to take care of the car. You can't just drive a bitch every day. don't take it to get a checkup and nothing like that you know what I'm saying the weird thing too is that motherfuckers compete it's like oh I pour this amount and you pour this it's like this this

this what motherfuckers don't know yeah at the every two hours at the every two ounces across there you post the flush with 16 ounces of water um you post to flush it but if you're drinking the motherfucker fucking pint or 12 or 8 whatever you're drinking then you ain't you know you might take your tan you might pull up again whatever whatever the case maybe you ain't even thinking about no water you and by the time you even thinking to drink water you just have to sleep already you wake up it's time to do it again right

you might drink some little water but you ain't drunk what you were supposed to drink they even flushed the two ounces like you're supposed to drunk right you know what I'm saying so now by the time to pop in the sugar oil and then you the water ain't even it's like it's fucked up it's all bad yeah

and I was on it I ain't saying it like trying to be like like no preacher because I love them I love lean that's why I can't do lean I love it that's my favorite drug I love lean to death

I want to be lean I can't fuck with it no more swear to go damn now that's real though man you know that's what's keeping a lot of people connected to it is like somebody like sauce Walker quit for a little while

and now he's fucking with it again but he quit because they ain't had a lean he liked that's right that's right I said I saw that yeah I quit because I can't fuck with it no more I love the lean that he didn't like Quagin. That was my shit. I fucked Quagin.

Could you drink whatever, though, when it came down to it? No, I'm spoiled, bro. I don't drink whatever. I ain't never drank green. I was just about to ask. Never. What the fuck is that? I don't know.

I see people with it, though. What the fuck's that? It's kind of weird. Drink no motherfucking green. I'm gonna walk red. Yeah. I ain't even like red, though, when Wack was out. Right.

I never liked red like that. It don't taste good as walk to me. because I like the sweet drink, you know what I'm saying? Right. So I always was a walker, nigga. You were pouring up act back in the day? What? I am act.

What was you talking about? No, for real though, bro. You had it back in the day, was it that good? My first album called Mud Music, my whole career is based on Lean. That's how I got to where I never built my relationships with rappers and shit like big rappers and shit like on music. That's why I don't got songs with niggas.

It was always, like, who got the drink? Peas and them got it. Right. Niggas got to tap in with me. I'm having a drink. Right. This is when the out was big when AC was out. Yeah.

Then the red, then the walk, it never changed. Like, I built my, I built my, I built me based on syrup. Lean has taken a lot of people, a lot of places. Like, if you go look at my old album covers all this shit, got purple activists and just like, based shit on it. Like, Team ESAP albums got activists and shit on it, bro. Was that like your thing? This was my thing. You gotta think I've been drinking liens since 2003.

I'm older than most of the bros. But was that your primary source of income for a good chunk of your life? No. It was a motherfucking. It was a good chunk. Right. It was a good chunk, but it wasn't the best chunk. It was a good chunk, though, motherfucker.

That's amazing. Why did you go with the name? But it was the good thing about it was the relationships I built fucking with. it though right you feel me i mean desto dub's interview is a hardcore story about how you could take being a drug dealer and turning into a real career no cap how you think you have you know you probably you know what you heard of my brother lou grand yeah stone code like you junkie is a business like see running this shit like built based on he don't even get high no more right but this whole brand is based on previously like being a junkie

You feel what I'm saying? Niggas go around the world Making hundreds of thousands of dollars Built their brand on it That's what I'm trying to say Like lean is how I built Who I am. You had to stop but can you spit a bar

Where you talk about sipping lean Like as if you were just doing it And feel like you're being genuine I'm sipping drink Right But I just stop sipping But does that feel like you're kind of bullshit? No I don't feel like that

Because niggas know I'm a lean man I'm like like I say bro Like I ain't Like I ain't gonna lie When I was in prison I told my girl I'm like, I made a promise. I'm like, I ain't fucking with that shit when I get home.

I ain't fucking with that shit when I get home. Closer than when it was like time for me to get out, I'm like, I want to drink lean so bad. I want to just drink lean so bad, you know. I'm just telling my girl, I'm being honest. I'm like, I want to get high. So when I came home, I knew I was going to get high because I already wanted to. It ain't nothing like I told myself.

I told myself I was getting high. When I came home, I got high. Then I got off it. Like I promised to God I was getting off. That shit. right but when I was on it I didn't feel like I was receiving the blessings that I was supposed to be receiving mm-hmm I'm like man I could be bigger I'm supposed to be bigger I'm supposed to be better right what the fuck am I doing wrong like I'm bigger

than all these niggis why I ain't doing with like certain shit right it ain't got nothing to do with music it's some it's me I lied you feel me I ain't doing what I supposed to do so I had to get off that shit right focus so now you see me doing thing everybody else doing. It's because God giving me my blessings that I'm supposed to be able to see. I'm sticking to my word, no, if that makes sense to you. Do you feel like you should be bigger?

You feel like this album's going to be the thing that's going to push it over the top? I feel like God timing is the best time. I don't know what I'm supposed to be. I'm alive. I'm free. I ain't stressing. I ain't hurting for none.

My family, all right? So, you know, I'm here with Adam. I ain't no lame-ass nigger. I can give millions of views on shit. Right. But like, there's still kind of like, a level that a lot of the Detroit artists are clear like I just see you guys all going for it because you're seeing how possible it is right now because so many people are just blowing

the fuck up it's like me not to cut you off no no I apologize about that but me I understand that this shit is a young man game right now you feel me so I'm not even I'm not fucked up about being no superstar no shit like that I'm more focused on my business my brand because I'm gonna make money sleep I don't got a rat Right. You know what I'm saying? I got shit going on. I was looking at my app on my phone.

I just made money sitting here. That's what it's all about. I ain't tripping about having no big singles going platinum and nothing like that. I'm going to sit back and get money anyway. That's my thing. Can you have somebody bring me a piece of tissue? Yeah. So I ain't really, because I know this is a young man game.

It's they turn. They're blowing up and be to be a star right now. They ain't looking for no nigga that's 35, 30, you know what I'm saying? To be no motherfucking big star. Right. They're looking for some niggas. they got a 10 year advantage in this shit 18 19 they got a 10 year run in them right you know what I mean but that's what's crazy and realizing that a lot of somebody like baby face right who to me

feels like a fucking artist who's just now blowing up me face younger than me he's been grinding for a long ass time face still got a 10 year run to him yeah face young they're younger to me I'm gonna be 34 this year excuse me I'm gonna be 34 this year face is I think phase is not time turning 30. Right. Probably like 31 or something like that I don't know. But a lot of times it takes some time to get actually good at rapping. There's one thing to blow up off just being this young, cool, crazy kid.

It's another thing to be so good at rapping that, you know, that craft takes a while to build a lot of time. You want to know another reason I ain't tripping? Because my hands in it. I'm peasy, my hands in this shit. I'm going to direct videos. I direct the cats up. Louis Ray, like the song that's going viral on TikTok right now. TikTok right now. I directed the video.

Right. My hands and everything. Like, I got real sad to me. Like, that's my brother and my artist. Like, we all, I got the biggest art, independent artists in the world. You feel, me? Like, even if I ain't rapping, Rio's just going to do what he going to do regardless. Right. My hands and everything. You feel what I'm saying? My niggas going to rent me without rapping me because, like, that's what I built. Right.

So I don't be tripping about being no, like, big ass because you got to see me. When you think about where you're going to be at in 10 years, or five years or whatever, do you picture yourself with a whole big-ass crew of artists and really being that CEO role as well? You think you're built for that? Yeah, because that's what is going on right now. If you see what's going on,

I don't drop albums and mixtapes and shit like a lot of people do. My shit be coming out like a year at a time because I'd be really having to go through real life shit to make music, but in that time I'd be more focused on other shit. Like building businesses and doing other shit. That's what I'm doing right now.

So I already was pushing towards that. That's the whole reason for me finding Rio. The niggas like Mike and Reese Young and shit like that. That was the whole reason for that. I've been with doing that. Because I been new to, I didn't want to be 35, 36th, or rapper. Right. This was all ready to plan for me to be a CEO.

Definitely. Why did you decide on ghetto boys? Because why not? Were you a fan of the group? Bro, why not, bro? I'm from the ghetto. Right. I'm from the ghetto.

I am the ghetto. Did you ever listen to the old school group? Yeah, I listen to Scarface. Then ghetto boys damn and feel good to be a game. Yeah, yeah, I listen to all this shit. But that ain't what, it wasn't that. Okay. I'm a ghetto boy for real.

You got to think where I grew up in the ghetto. If your whole family on drugs doing reckless shit and you seeing all this shit as a kid, like you grew up in the, you would get you from the ghetto. Like, there's no such thing as a fake ghetto boy, like what I be trying to tell a nigga. Like that's why we're going to always be the big. because we summed everybody a part of right ain't no such thing as a ghetto boy ain't no such

thing as a fake ghetto boy if you grew up like me yeah I can't say you fake how you faking you raping this shit like me you're wrapping the same shit you come from where I come from right that's why we're gonna always be bigger than everybody because we we'd something that everybody a part of already right you feel me and when this interview come out everybody gonna know that ghetto boy mm facts but okay if somebody calls you ghetto Is that offensive? No. Okay.

Yeah, that's a compliment. I was with a homie who was supposed to be DJing of this club in Hollywood, and he rolled up with, like, me and, like, 20 other people, and they weren't trying to let us in, and the fucking club manager or whatever is, like, you come in here on this ghetto shit, and it was like, it was like they called him the N-word. Like, it felt very, like, targeted and racist.

And I was like, damn, that word got a lot of power these days. You can't call it. How are you going to offend a ghetto boy by calling him ghetto? Right. It doesn't even make sense. The dude actually was not ghetto, which is probably why he's offended. You call me ghetto. It's like, duh.

I'm supposed to be ghetto. Right. Well, fuck, I don't want to be nothing else. I know how to turn. I know how to be corporate when it's time to be. That's all that matter. I know how I got some sense. I feel it.

Ben balling and I'm still bawling. I don't never got a pose a throwback. It's just like such a good bar because you know that that describes so many people. that you know in your life, that their Instagram is like a highlight reel of their whole life. And then some people, their Instagram is just

what they did today because their life keeps getting better. I was just letting niggas know, like, I don't gotta post no throwbacks, bro. I'm doing this shit right now. Right. You know? I might not be doing it big as everybody else doing it. I'm doing it my way, though.

Right. I don't got a post a throwback. And if you did post a throwback, it would be like, look at the shit I used to be on. Isn't this, isn't crazy where I'm at now when I used to be here? If I post a throwback now, it's going to be like, damn, he was getting money a long time.

That's too. So when I'm my throwbacks, I was getting money back in the day. Right. I had roll these cars and shit and big houses and shit a long time ago. You down there can't find no pictures of me not boiling. So if I post a throwback pitcher right now, it's going to be like, it ain't no point. What was the crib on Metropolitan?

Like? The big-ass condo. Okay. Big-ass kind. If you from my way, Metropolitan is like... Oh, okay. So that's a flex. Yeah, that's a flex.

I was kind of thinking it would be like a bummy ass house you got back in the day. No, that's a flex. I had the Creole Metropolitan five years ago. Like, when I made that song, what year was that? Probably like 2000, what? Whatever. 19, maybe?

18. Or you went in 18? That shit was like 2018. So I had that bitch in 2015. Niggas ain't had no fucking Creole metropolitan at that time. And I had a five 50 at that time. With the career on Metropolitan. That's a flix.

definitely yeah how's an artist who wants to fuck with you who sees you and thinks this is the fucking guy that I want in charge of my career

I want PISA to be my bird man how does that artist get your attention in a way that would actually make you want to fuck with him you and that's what made me

not want to fuck with you why would you want me to be in ahead of your career you want like why you want me to be the head of your career what the fuck like I

that's like I would never want to be a part of any club that would have me that's this own joke right because like my shit be more based on love and genuine love like this shit don't be on no

rapper shit with me like you got ghetto boys and you got boys E&T what you want to be E&T do you want to be a ghetto boy like you're going to get treated

like E&T you ain't come of my house you feel me I'll see you at the studio You know, like, it's business. Like, my shit be more based on ghetto boy love and genuine love. That's why when you see niggas with me, it's love. Like, all the people you signed are that you fuck with like that.

I don't sign a lot of niggas. But they're just your friends, right? Like, could you see yourself signing an artist who you think they have a shitload of talent, but that's not necessarily your real. I don't do that no more. I'm going to tell you why. It'd be hitting mess with these niggas because I'm dealing with niggas in the street. You feel what I'm saying?

I'm dealing with niggas in the street, and I'm very hands-on. That means like I got to go there. I got to be around this shit. You feel what I'm saying? That should be hitting this, bro. Because like I say, I'm coming with genuine love, bro. Arms open. So if a nigga snake me,

I don't want to deal with niggins like that no more. Then especially if it happened twice. You feel me? You ain't going to run in the niggas like Rio like there all the time. They're just like on what you on. They really love you like, man, I'm rocking with you, bro. We're going to get up out of our bed for each other and shit like that you got some niggas that just want to be a part of this shit

fuck because they think that you can bl-knock be like man can you do with me what you did for real i didn't do nothing for real real real you feel what i'm saying that's why i don't got artisan to me because i got a little niggas i'm not letting niggas around me on no e-n t-shirt right now it's too risky i feel it do you look down on people who scam or is it just not for you No, I don't look down on scammers at all. I fuck with scammers. Okay. I just don't scam.

And the reason I talk about shit, a lot of shit about scammers, because they ain't never taught me how to do it. They won't sell me shit, like half off and shit like that. So fuck them niggias, like, you know? You never DMTX6? He DME. I think he really just tried to scam me, like recently. Probably one of it if you were open.

Bro, I think he just tried to scam me, bro. But I don't want to say what happened because I don't know if this was real life or not. So I ain't going to say what. happened but I think he tried to scam me though wow I can't even say what happened I mean he's pretty out there with it like he's still posting shit like who got cash apps and shit and it's like damn you signed to Atlantic and you so I can say what happened so yeah fuck it no I ain't he'll be proud of it this is going on his instagram I ain't doing it I'm straight has anyone ever successfully scammed you no yeah yes they did when I was in jail

like shopping online and shit okay I used to be looking at nigg's pages and shit like click the link in the by you, I bought like a jacket and shit. It didn't come on. Bitch a hell nigga scammed me. It's cool. Fuck. Yeah. Gotta take one. Take it on the chin. Yeah.

The most respect for the crackheads. Gotta have it. Right. Gotta have it. You just want them to get themselves out of that position, but you respect the fact that they're in it. I can't talk no junkie out of that. You feel in me?

Because when I'm getting how you can't talk to me out of it. Right. I love, I got to love you for you. I don't give a fuck what you do If you're a good person I'm gonna respect the motherfucking janitor The same where I respect the CEO Right

So I got the up Then the crack heads is the reason For you feel me We hustlers like this how we make I ain't never beat a junkie up Right I don't disrespect things like you What if they're rob you

What if they take some money from you? We ain't well Uh huh Don't have it Oh man Money first And then you Not even that bro

Not even that, bro. Not even that. that it's just, man. I got the utmost respect for crackheads, but they help with, they, the reason, a lot of niggas is who they is. Right. They help you get richer

than the niggas who supplant. Do you ever have somebody in your life that was close to you that you had to help them get off drugs? No, but I got people that's very close to me that's own drugs. Crack cocaine and heroin that I love the death,

that's my family that I talk to all the time that I pull it through. Where you have, bitch, I'm fin to come drop a crate off. Mm-hmm. Or come do this for me. Biss come pick this.

You feel of me? It's my family. Right. The same motherfuckers I was just previously living with in the houses. They ain't got their life all the way together yet. Everybody, a lot of people still fucked up. Right. I can't save everybody.

And I can't not act like they're not my family. Right. It's not too. I feel like, though. I'm all right. That's ghetto boy shit, Adam. When people are really fucked up on drugs, though, it can be kind of hard to love them, you know? It's not hard to love them, bro.

My mama been a drug addict in my whole life. How can't I love my mama? It's just hard to love them in person. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to see my mama have. It'll make me not love her no less. Right.

And let's be clear, my mama been clean for six years. Oh, that's nice. But, nah, niggia. Hell no. I still got to love my people. Like I say, my mom was, it made me not love her. Right. Yeah.

You got to love your people, Adam. I got some people in my life, though, that are addicts that, you know, realistically i might not have talked to them in five six years and it's because when they were in my life it was just a constant source of fucking misery and bullshit now let me ask you this you got motherfuckers in your life that's your family that you ain't talked to in six seven years but you got a friend that you forget for some lesser shit when i think about the people in my life right now it ain't like i got to deal with anybody's fucking real junky behavior that ain't the point I ain't the point I'm making.

What I'm saying is life is shirt, bro. You know what I'm saying? Well, I forgive a friend for something less. Why not forgive a family member for some bullshit but forgive somebody in the street for something less? You can forgive but not want them around. Right. But you ain't got to carry it like it's in your life

that you don't never want to talk to your family ever. Then they die and you're like, damn, I didn't get a chance to tell because I love them. Fuck all that. Right. Bitch, I love you, bitch. I ain't got to hang with you every day, but bitch, I love you.

But loving somebody as much as you're saying, like loving them through everything. Gotta love my people do it. How can you not? Only a select people get put in that category. I don't know how to not. And that's why I'm telling you, like, that's why I don't got niggas around like that

because I don't know how to not love a nigga all the way. Like, love somebody all the way. Right. I don't know how to just love somebody halfway. Like, I love you, bro, but I don't know how to not. I don't know how to not be there if I love them. It's only one way. You feel?

There's only one way to me. That's why I don't got a lot of artists and shit like that. Niggas be, it'd be motives. Like, niggas be, they want to do something. Like, shit tricky, bro. I move off love. Yeah. Do you feel like you haven't learned to play the sort of like fake music industry game

that a lot of people play? Or is it just impossible? I don't got to play the fake music game because I'm independent. I could do it my way. I do it my way. So I don't got to. I don't have to be around like rappers and shit like that, but I fuck with rappers and shit like that,

but I don't have to be in the circles and shit like that, that people be in because I do shit my way. It works for me. Like when everybody go right, I go left. Right. Like if a nigga's wearing green, I want to wear yellow. If everybody hanging out at the club with the rappers, I'm going over here where I want to be where the junkies at then.

If everybody hang with the rappers, take me where the junkies at. you feel what I'm saying that's like let's just yeah when they go right I got to go left definitely what do you think when people say that the Detroit sound is burnt out and the shit is kind of on the way out like how do everybody trying to sound like us hmm how is Detroit sound burnt out when everybody rapping on Detroit signs stuff we just getting started but do you think that there's certain people who are rising above that because you know when a style is like kind of simple early on and it's easy for people to copy.

Then all of a sudden you have people like you, baby, face, Ray, these, etc., who rise above this sort of like standard version style. We wrapped on the song so long without being heard on it. We don't even want to rap on this shit no more anyway. People are just not getting hip to the sign that we're then tired of. That's why we ain't tripping. But it's our wave though. I'm going to say our wave is our culture.

It's our song. Right. It's our sign. We ain't like it ain't. We ain't tricking. What is our sign about? How often do you hear, like, a rapper who's not from your area, rapping on that type of beat, and you just roll your eyes, like, what the fuck?

I don't care about that shit. I rapped on all the type of beats. Atlanta shit, Memphis shit. I didn't rap on everybody type of beats. They probably feel like that. You know what I'm saying? So I don't be tripping. I'll never be tripping.

I respect it. Yeah. Shit, man. Great interview. Are we done? What else we got to talk about? It's like, no, I'm just playing. I appreciate you.

No, for real, yeah. This was, this was, I was looking forward to it, and it was just as epic as I thought was going to be, so. No, that's all I love, bro. For sure. Appreciate you. Appreciate you, man. Legendary. When this album coming out? You don't know. It's almost done, though. Right. It's getting mixed and shit right now. You got any features on there we need to know about? Yeah, but I ain't gonna, I ain't gonna spill the beans because, like, I'm wearing this bracelet. You see this? Yeah, what's it? It's this beaded bracelet, like, somebody gave me a profit, like I was leaving them all. Uh-huh. And he stopped me. Like, I don't know why. He just stopped me. He just told me. Told me some real gangster shit.

You been rocking it ever since? I ain't see him coming to nothing. It was just like, he just popped up. God just put him there. He's like, let me tell you something. And he let the window down. He wrote something, put it in my hand, and we kicked it, and he put this on me.

And he said, keep the zone for protection. You know what I mean? I don't remember why I told you that. What the fuck I told you that for? But I'm wearing this bracelet for protection. I'm going to get over what. You feel me? Oh, the album.

Ain't no features. That's what I told you that, because this man, he told me, don't ever tell my move. You say, keep everything to yourself, stay protected,

and keep everything to yourself. And he put this bead on my wrist. And he said, keep everything to yourself. And that's why I can't tell you what features on my album. That was the reason for me telling you that. Stay protected or stay dangerous?

Stay protected. By God, bro. That's what he was telling me. Stay prayed up. Stay protected. I like it. You know what I mean? Keep everything to yourself.

Keep your mom. move silent. That's what he said. Keep it moves silent. So I got features on my take, but I don't want to spoil it. I don't want to say nothing. I just want shit to come all right. Everybody go turn this man, Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube, etc. Follow on Instagram. I ain't trying to hurt nothing, man. I'm just trying to get a little money. Take care of the kids, man. Turn the nigga up, man. Free my nigga Rio. Adamar. Appreciate you. Free Rio. Yeah. Oh, God. They're going to be listening to this one in the hall. of the jail and the prison or whatever appreciate you man peasy no jumper another classic

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