No Jumper - The Pno Interview: 10 Years in Prison, Fighting 1090 Jake, The Milk74 Beef & More

Episode Date: May 5, 2021

PNO talks about doing years between wild camps and prison, arrested for the first time at the tender age of 11 years old, now leading with positivity while telling his story to encourage other kids to stay out the streets. https://www.instagram.com/aliboobrandonboo/ https://www.youtube.com/c/PNostopplayinwitme/videos ----- CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5tesvmDS8h50LkjnSAWMOs?si=j6sJD6DkR4mk5NZZWnlK7g FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFICIAL http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today we got a YouTube legend, a street legend, et cetera. Pino is in the building. What's going on? How you feeling, bro? I'm feeling good, bro. How you feeling? Man, it seems like there's a lot of tension in your fucking life.

Like, I was doing all this research for you. And then I feel like it don't even matter because, like, the last couple days of your life have been so exciting that there's a lot to talk about. Not really exciting, but, you know, I just wanted to put a couple people in their place, for a lot of people get on the internet and they like to play tough internet and shit like that but and then they want to they want to claim oh keep it in the street keep it in the street and shit like that but then they be around like in downtown somewhere with a full bunch of people ready to go to jail like i literally last night bonded out of jail

at two o'clock in the morning bro and called a flight at seven to come to the show why did you get locked up possession of marijuana seriously florida's so on my jesus christ with and i got a medical card. Oh my God, really? It wasn't in the proper bag. Oh, so when they pull you over, it has to be, like, stored a certain way? It has to be in a bag that comes from the dispensary. Oh, my God. With your prescription on it. So basically, like, despite the ever-changing laws, Florida cops are still using weed as an excuse to be fucking assholes like they always have. He told me to get my license and registration. I got my license of registration out of the car. He said, what cost about light weed? Uh-huh. But you got out two in the morning. Two in the morning. This

happened at 10 a.m. yesterday. And you said, this, I'm still hopping the flight to LA. Absolutely. Why would I miss it? How often you come out here? This is my first time in LA. It is, okay. This is my first time in LA. How are you feeling it? I'm feeling it. I'm feeling it. I like the LA vibes. Everybody in L.A. show good love.

Yeah, because I mean, that's kind of part of like why you stand out on YouTube so much is that you're clearly a guy who's, you know, comfortable in the country, you know? Absolutely. We breed different types of gangsters out here, more or less, you know? And so it's, I think part of what makes interesting is like when I see Florida, like, culture and shit, it's just so different. I feel like you, you stand out to like a lot of maybe people from a similar background. They look at you and they're like, all right, I'm like him. Right.

At least a little bit. I mean, we just different in Florida. It's just I don't know how to explain it. I don't got nothing against no other state. Like, I got love for everybody, you feel me? Like I'm not going to say I'm that YouTube that go out and try to fight everybody because everybody that know that follow my channel

or follow me from the start know every beef I've had came from somebody coming at me. And I just, I don't play that. When I feel like you're going to apply pressure to me, I'm going to apply pressure twice as hard. That's the only way to handle pressure is to apply it. That's it.

Let me ask you this question. Do you plan on becoming sort of street slash prison YouTuber? Where did that idea come from? How did that begin to be a thing? Um, so I had just got fresh out of prison and there was a couple people for prison that knew me and they were all pushing me towards the 23 and one show. Okay. So, shout out him.

Right. Shout out of 23 and I was sketchy about it at first because, you know, everybody, I just got out of prison, you know. Whereas like, number one rule is you don't talk about your shit, right? You don't talk about shit. And I was like, man, even if I get on there and say something and people start selling me out in the comments, like I'm going to get mad. I'm going to want to do this and that. Like, you know, you don't understand the whole concept. I just got out of doing seven years straight.

And before that, was three years straight. So I missed 10 years of my life. And this was where all smartphones were developing and all this new shit was going out in the world. When I went to prison, the first time, we still had flip phones. Right. There was still cigarettes on the canteen. You understand?

I went to prison in 2008. So what year they get rid of the cigarettes in Florida? 2011. I believe it was like August or October. Did that fuck prison up? Because before, at least you had that. I would say it fucked it up for people that got money on their books and were able to go to, like, the commissary and, you know, say, okay, I want to buy some cigarettes from the commissary. But now that they took it off the commissary, you have to buy it illegally on the compound.

You have to buy it from people selling it on the compound. People sell cigs illegally. Holy shit. Well, I mean, you're going to go to confinement if you get caught selling cigarettes. So at the end of the day, it's not legal to sell cigarettes on a compound or whatever. but because they took them off the canteen, the price raised so much, they take one cigarette and cut it in five and sell them at $2 a piece. Yeah, they call clips.

That's crazy. And Florida prison, they call clips. They like this big. Just to get that little tiny bit of tobacco. Just to get that little nick in. But the cigarette shit, like, kind of plays a different role in prison as well because it's kind of like it's used for trading and bartering because it's just known as like a symbol of value basically, right?

So did that kind of fuck it up too? All of a sudden you got to like pay for something with fucking Fritos or something? Um, not really. You can still pay for it with Fritos. You can still buy clips and shit, $2 dollar clips, a honey bun in a soup or something, and you get your little $2 clip. But at the end of the day, like, if you were a real cigarette smoker, you would send like 50 on the wire and get like two packs of cigarettes. Okay. You know what I mean? Because at the end of the day, when you send money to the street, it's always worth more than Zoomzums and Wham-Wan. And if you got two packs of cigarettes, you must be like fucking

Ben Baller in there, bro. Like, you must have to be hard to hold on to your two packs of cigarettes, right? I knew at one point my home boy had a whole mattress full of cigarettes. But that's because he had a fresh route and it was going smooth. And once that route goes smooth, he just had too many drops to deal with. So he had to stuff his whole mattress with cigarettes. Wow. That's getting sick.

That's what you would call Chang Gang Rich. Yo, so I just got done watching the most recent, I think, season of 60 Days in. You ever seen it? I've seen the one episode with the, the, the, the, Chico that was a former Latin king or something like that and enforcer for the Latin king. That's the only one I see though. The one thing that stands out in that because it's in like fucking Arizona or some

shit is it's everything super racial. And then I was listening to Utah and you said that in Florida like the prison ain't really split like that. Absolutely not. You go to Florida. Okay. So they have white gangs in Florida which are and people are going to take offense to this but I'm just being fucking real and I don't give a fuck.

The white gangs in Florida. like the white supremacy gangs, like the unforgiving and shit like that. They're not really deep. They don't have numbers on the compounds like that. So they don't pull a lot of rank on the compound. The gangs that do pull rank are the gangs with numbers. Everything's by numbers. Florida prison is absolutely nothing but gangs.

Bloods, Crips, kings, niettas, serenios, all that good shit. I've seen vice lords on the compound. But just not divided by racial lines. There's no racial lines. You always hear that in LA and shit is that like, okay, you could be a crib, you could be a blood, you could be from this neighborhood that hates this neighborhood, but then you go to prison and all of a sudden it's like you're a black guy or you're a white guy. Nah, it's not like that in Florida.

In Florida, you go to prison, you are who you are. It doesn't matter if you white, black, Spanish, or other, that doesn't matter. Although the Latinos in Florida do hold a strong knit system, the Latinos do tend to migrate together. But you will see Latinos in other gangs. You'll see Latinos in the blood. You'll see Latinos in the Crips. You'll see Latinos in different gangs. Yeah, because in that 60 days,

then I was watching there, at one point, there's a white dude. And he seems real cool. It seems like he probably been hanging out with black people this whole life. And he just doesn't relate to the white supremacist dudes at all. He don't want nothing to do with them. And so he decides that he wants to start, you know, clicking up with the black dudes and being around them and stuff. And it just like very...

I've seen that episode. The white supremacists already to kill him. Yep. That wouldn't go down in Florida at all. That wouldn't go down. Now, as of if you were just a bumping white boy and you didn't want to join no gang or nothing, but you were going about yours, the whites would go to you and be like, bro, you know, run with us, da-da-da-da. But if you chose not to run with them, they weren't there for you.

You would still have to fight your way through prison. And in Florida prisons, everything is about gangs now. Back in the day, back in the early 2000s, the late 90s, it was more about up north Florida against down south Florida. Orlando against North Florida. Now we're in 2021. You can land on compounds that the nickname is gangland. So when you are, okay, so they take me back like what you actually ended up doing the seven years for and what your life was like before that. So I originally did three years.

Okay. I originally did three years Florida State Prison as a youthful offender. We actually did a little lick. I don't really want to talk about it. But, you know, we did a little lick and we got rope for it. I did three years. I got sentenced as a WIO, three years, Florida State Prison, followed by two years community control and one year probation or some shit like that.

It was a six-year Y-O sentence. Okay. I did the three years. I got out. I was out for like six months. I originally was living in Martin County. When I got out on that first three-year bid, I said, you know what? I ain't going to go back to Broward because everybody I know from Broward.

This is where I'm from. I know I'm going to fall in the state. some dumb shit if I go here. I was only 21 at the time. I was fresh out of three years. So you got out motivated to be like, I can't keep doing this shit. Right, but I also was on the dumb shit

all the way to the door in prison. Like, I was a loose cannon. But did you have to be that way? Or do you, you know, like, did you have to be that way? When I did my first three years, you had to be that way. I went to two wild camps.

There was no, I never went to an adult camp. I did all three years at two different wild camps. I went to Lancaster and Lake City. My EOS from Lake City. And when I EOS, you know, my people were more supportive and, you know, like, yo, you know, go to chill out, go to Martin County, go live with your grandpa or whatever and see if you can just chill out for a little bit. And I did that for about a month while I was on community control. And, you know, anybody knows that community control is like a setup.

Like, it's house arrest. You don't want to be on house arrest after just doing three years in prison. Oh, yeah. I was 18 to 21. I went to prison. So that was my youthful years. So were you excited to be home when you get home and get put on the fucking ankle monitor or whatever?

You're excited to be home, but then it's like, oh, there's all this shit I want to do and I can't even fucking leave the crib. Start going crazy. So I was on level two community control, which was with no monitor, but they come to your house once a week and you have to go there and fill out an hourly schedule

of what you're doing throughout the day. You can't leave the house. The only time you can leave the house is for work, church one time a week, and grocery shopping. shopping or some shit one time a week. Okay. That was the only time you could leave the house.

So you're going to church even though you probably would never normally go to church? I was going to church even though I never normally go to church just because it was something to do. I will go to church if that was the only thing I could do too for sure, yeah. Honestly, yeah, it was the only thing I could do. So I went to church. Just like the barbershop, I made sure I had a haircut every week. You know what I mean?

That was on the list. I could do that one time a week. Right. But it only worked out like that for about a month and a half before I said, fuck it. And I just, I cleared it. And I went back down to. I got into some shit with my people and I was my grandpa specifically.

Well, it's all love now, you know, that's my grandpa. Right. But at the time, I was young, I was dumb, so I got into some shit with him and then, you know, time made the wounds heal and we've talked to that since. Okay. But I left and I went back down to brow. And when I went back down to brow, the only place I had to stay was the trap. So like, that's why I was living on the second floor in the tribe.

And did you get introduced gangbanging through your time of prison? prison or were you already on that before you went? I was already on gang banging before I went to prison. We was originally, you know, pushed over when we first went to prison. You know, when you go to in wild camps, you can only have certain sets on compounds. So you can have rollings on the compound, Hoover's on the compound, and then Sane's on the compound. Anybody else that's on the compound got to push over or leave. Really? Yeah. That's just how they keep it for order. That's just how they keep order. Okay. That's how they keep everything in order. Um, I was originally, you know, originally just a Crip out of the neighborhood, you know.

It was a bunch of us out of the neighborhood, all pushing the same line. But when you go to prison, obviously, you're going to be around some big players. And I had to put work in all through my three years in wild camps. I had to put working and put working. Put work in what? Like they tell you, like, yo, you got to go fucking cut this dude open or go beat this dude's ass. Not necessarily. It's more along the lines like when, in wild camps, when you have the new Cox coming in,

the new Cox is the new people coming into the dorms. People are going to see what they own because they're just getting to the wild camp. They're going to get pressed immediately. You don't bang, tighten up. Just like that. If you don't bang, you got to get to the grid. If you do bang, your homies got to tighten you up, period. And this was in 2010, 2011, 2009.

This was, like I said, when I was 18 to 21. And I put a lot of work in there. my work proceeded to like I said when I got out 2011 I was only out about four or five months I don't know if I told you right four or five months I was living in Martin

Martin County for like a month and a half before I said fuck it went back down the broad I was living in the trap and you know I had my hands and everything there because you know I'm on the street you know I'm already on the run I was carrying pistols all that stupid ass shit you know um it's it's just it

I don't know how to explain it your name carries in Florida prison your name is going to carry because everybody always goes back to prison I've been to prison twice in Florida so you're going to when you go back to prison you're going to see people that you were in wild camps with you're going to see people that you were in

like I've been to a juvenile program I did 19 months in the juvenile program so you're going to see I know a dude right now doing life that I was in a 9 to 12 month juvenile program with and he's doing a life sentence right now crazy shout out Brandon Ramsey you could go look him up Uh-huh. And, okay, so you get, you get done those three years, you start fucking off a little bit, and you're running around with guns and all this stuff. How do you get popped and ended up doing the seven years?

All right. So I had a little bitch that was doing burglaries, and she was bringing me cards, socials, everything. And I was paying her off and dope. This is when I had, this is when I had already moved out the trap. I was living in a trap for about a month and a half, and then I moved to Deerfield. I switched my spot. And this is where I met the bitch. So when she got popped, Originally, she just threw my name in it. They came to the house. They found all the stolen goods. They found everything. So they charged me with everything. And given where you're at in your life now, doesn't this seem like a bad idea

to just trust a dope fiend with your whole criminal enterprise? Absolutely. Absolutely. I just wanted to make sure. Absolutely. Just wanted to check. But, you know, I was, like I said, I was on the run. I had just moved the Deerfield,

so the bitch brought me two big screen TVs for the apartment. Oh, wow. You know what I mean? So it's just, I didn't give a fuck at the time because I was, I was basically knew I was going back to prison. And if a bitch comes with amenities, then I mean, hey, two flat screens. I mean, most of these girls are coming with nothing. Most of them come with nothing. Two flat screens is a bonus.

Two flat screens is a bonus. Facts. And this is, we're talking 2011. We're talking when a big flat screen on the wall, you was, you was dope boy status when you had a big, big, big, big, 64 inch flat screen on the wall. That's real, yeah. Okay, so you get, she basically rats you out. Exactly. So we all go to jail.

We all go to the police station. We all get booked. Both of them get out on bond. They both end up getting probation. I sit three years in the county jail fighting the charge because I had just got out of prison. And they hit me with the Prison Release Reoffender Act, which is the 15 minimum mayor. Whatever to charge in Florida, they have the Prison Release Reoffender Act. If you get out of prison within three years, if you commit it,

a violent crime, which they consider burglary of violent crime. If you commit a violent crime within them three years, you face the maximum on the charge is the minimum man. So the maximum on a burglary of an unoccupied dwelling is 15 years. So that would become your minimum mandatory.

Holy shit. Yeah, absolutely. So if you get out of prison within three years and you rob somebody with a gun, your minimum mandatory is life. Right. Because it's a PBL. It's punishable about life. Wow. So you met a shiller to people who are basically like doing life in Florida prisons for shit that like is hard to imagine. I know, I know three people in Florida prison right now doing life off of armed burglary.

Really? Wow. Went into the house, picked up a knife or a gun and armed herself in the process. Wow. That's crazy. Damn. So, okay, you go in, you're about to do this seven years. How do you feel going into this?

Is this like emotionally? Like, so is it destroying you or are you kind of like, well, you know, I was doing all right in there before? Or like what was your attitude? I mean, I just did three years in a wild camp. I had only did five months on the street. I really had nothing going for myself. I did meet a girl and she helped me down the whole seven years, which helped me get through my whole seven years, which is now my wife.

Oh, wow. That's amazing. Yeah. What was that seven years like? So the seven years, honestly, after you get about two years into your bid, it becomes just a everyday thing. So when people hear like, oh, he got 15 years, he's going to be stressed out. the whole 15 years. Not everybody's like that.

You kind of just give up after a while? No, you don't give up. You just go with the float. Right. You just, you know you're incarcerated. You know there's nothing you can do to change it. You understand? If you got 15 years, you know, four years into your 15 years, you know you got 11 years left, bro. Right. And that's just that. And it's like, it just, you stopped counting down. You stopped thinking about it. You have to, like, give up hope temporarily. I counted calendars. I didn't count months. Wow. So, and that was with both my bids. I

kind of calendars. It was just easier to do time that way. What kind of role would you say you ended up playing in prison during that seven years, though? Like, were you fully active? Or were you trying to pull back a little bit and think about your future? No. I didn't pull back at all. I was fully

active the whole seven years. As a matter of fact, the whole seven years I was active. One of my big homies actually just died a year after I got out. So he got stabbed at death in the dorm at ACI. Holy shit. Yeah, his name's Anthony Spencer, you could look it up. Wow, rest in peace.

Rest in peace. The Department of Corrections didn't want to release the video or nothing. Normally they do that? No, they didn't want to release it because it happened in another dorm. Oh, okay. The inmate that stabbed him wasn't from the dorm. Oh, okay. So he wasn't supposed to be in there in the first place?

Yeah, so it was under investigation by, I guess, the Attorney General or some shit like that, to see if the deputy or the correction officer let that person into the dorm. Hmm. And so, but they just don't even have to release the footage, so we're never going to find out exactly how that went down? Well, I don't know. His family's still fighting. So if anybody wants to donate to his family, his name's Anthony Spencer, you could pretty much contact me anywhere about it and not give you his mom's information. But that's going to be a crazy feeling to like, you go do the seven years and like the way you describe it, it's basically like at some point. It just feels like just a big block of time. Like you just kind of give up on counting down. I mean, the three years in it, like I said, I did almost three years in the county jail. Right. fighting the 15 minimum mandatory

before I caught the bottom of my guidelines during that minimum mandatory see we ain't even get into the whole story this shit goes deep during the whole story I told you I sat three years in the county jail fighting this both of my co-defendants were free one already copped out the probation within the first year the other one went to

mental health quarter some shit like that and got totally out of the district but both of them were listed as witnesses in my discovery so three years into into me sitting in the county jail, I get a new lawyer. I get

Michael Gottlie. Michael Gottlie goes to court. He gets me a change of hearing, this, that and the third. During that time, my co-defendant happened to die, the one that was the only witness. She was the only testifiable witness. They were both witnesses on the case, but with him, it was just my word versus his.

With hers and his word, it was both of their word against mine. Okay. So, at the end of the day, when she died during that little process, he went to court, he was like, Your Honor, the only testifiable witness in this case is now deceased. We like to take this to trial. It's that in the third.

Within a week, the state came within an offer. They came below the 15 minimum mandatory. And they said, we're going to waive the minimum mandatory, but we're going to give you the bottom of your guidelines, which is 12 years. Right. So I caught seven years Florida State Prison, followed by five years probation. Wow. How does this girl die?

She overdosed. Oh, Jesus Christ. Damn, that's fucking crazy. Yeah. So, okay. I guess just a general thing. What was the craziest shit that happened while you were locked up? Let's just throw that question out there before we move on to you getting out.

Like what was the top memories in your head that you're like, I cannot believe this is fucking happening right now? The top memories. Was there riots and shit? Most of my top memories were at wild camps. Oh, really? Yeah. I mean, at adult camps, I had some memories and stuff like that.

But it was mostly just like, you know, It wasn't nothing like wild camps I mean at adult camps They're more They're just gonna stab That's it When you go to adult camps in Florida A lot of people ain't on that fighting shit

Really? A lot of people don't want to fight And that's just And that's when you know you're on a real compound When you know you're on a real compound When nobody's fighting and everybody's carrying knives On a compound you know you're on gangland basically Right

So like I was explaining earlier But from okay from your perspective Everyone has knives why is it's so hard for the cops to stop that? I don't want to get into that. Why? Because you're going to tell us like every last fucking trick that they do or whatever. And I'm not that type of YouTube.

I don't got into it where other YouTubers about this situation. Is that a big conversation about like what's considered snitching once you get out? Yeah, it's kind of dry snitching. So you're not supposed to breach on topics like that. I mean, you know, off camera. We can talk about it all day. For sure. But I don't care me.

We ain't know about that. Yo, on the fucking 60 days in there shipping in letters, and the letters are dipped in acid or meth or whatever, and then you take the fucking, you cut the paper up and shit, and they don't even know about it. I'm like, holy fuck. That's the same thing everywhere. That's normal.

That's normal. Oh. But, you know, Florida's more on K2. Yeah? Florida's not on acid or nothing like that. Why K2? That shit is disgusting. K2, Mali, and Cigarettes is the number one, you know.

Really? Currency. You smoke much K2 in your day? I smoked a couple joints. here, no. How would you compare it to, like, smoking a joint of weed? How would I compare it to smoking a joint of weed? Honestly, I would say it

and... It depends what kind of K2 you get. You get the good shit. It's not even... Because you could get some fucked up K2. I'm trying to get that loud K2, man. No, you don't want that shit. K2, Zaza, man. They got Zaza K2. They got K2 that if you hit

one time, you're going to be on the floor rolling. Right. That's the K2 you don't want. But then they have K2 that's more of a lighter K2 that you can smoke it and it kind of has like a weed high, but it's more of like a mellow weed high. And that's the weak shit. Nobody wants that on the compound.

Right. Because the whole compound that is buying the K2 are dope fiends. They want to get high high. Real high. You know what I mean? Because I just remember when I was, we had a shop downtown and when we first moved into town,

a cop pulls up, which is the only time that a cop ever pulled up and talked to us while we were there. But he started telling us like, yo, When you see people tweaking out, it might be meth, but even more often it's K2. Like, that's the shit that has all these motherfuckers tweaking down here. I mean, in Florida prison, it's Mali or K2 that's people tweaking off. People tweaking off Molly in that, which is dangerous. Yeah.

Motherfuckers will stay up for three, four days in their self, straight, sniffing Mali all night. What the fuck. And then come out in the day room and think somebody talking about him and stab him in the neck. Holy shit. That's more adult camp. Madness. Okay, so you get out of this long-ass bid And what's your game plan at that point?

You've had all these years to think about What you might do when you get out? What's the plan? I'm done at that point. You're done. You're like, fuck the streets. I'm done. At that point, I'm done.

Like, I'm still going to hold, be a man. You know what I mean? I'm still going to hold my own at the end of the day And I'm going to apply pressure to anything That tries to apply pressure to me. But I don't go out my way looking for trouble. I don't do what I used to do. I don't, you know what I mean?

Like, like I said, I just got booked for the first time in three years for possession of marijuana. Right. Like, I've never had a possession of my life at him. But you don't have to worry about going back in from a violation like that? No, I'm off of probation. Okay, cool. I got terminated off probation. So, like I said, I did three years on probation.

I haven't been in trouble. I ain't been in no run-ins with the law. I've been kind of off the radar, you know? And if I did something, I did it and still stayed off the radar. So it's just like that. And that's how it's supposed to be. You know, we've grown now. Right.

Ain't nobody got time for prison no more. When did you start getting... Oh, okay. So they were guiding you towards 23 and 1. I think we were at this point in the story at one point. So you basically set up an interview with him, and he got... You know, did you get a lot of traction right there? So I did my first interview with 23 and 1, and it went, like, kind of viral, I guess.

I mean, it's at, like, 400K right now or something like that. Really? And then I did a second interview and it's almost at 200k now. So he did, he was a big influence in my YouTube. I can say that because I do ask Josh for advice a lot of times. You know, when it comes to this YouTube shit. Right. Because I'm, like I said, I'm new to this shit.

I'm green to this shit. Like I just learned how to use a smartphone two years ago. So, you know what I mean? Is this, is the prison YouTuber scene talked about a lot in prison? well I guess you haven't been back but I wonder to what extent I never even heard of the prison really okay but it has gotten a lot bigger

so maybe it is a thing now it's a lot bigger now but I never even heard of a prison YouTube scene people were pressing me towards that and that's when me and Josh talked in the DM and I was like go ahead we can set it up and we did our first interview and so

did that kind of open your eyes to like damn people want to know more about this life that I've lived that and the drama People like to pick apart the drama because with that interview, I kind of breached up. You know, he asked me an honest opinion about another YouTuber who I had no idea who he was. And I just gave my personal opinion. He said, do you know about 1090 Jake?

I gave him my personal opinion, bro. 1090, what the fuck that mean? 1090 means set tripping. Like, when I'm from 1090 means set tripping means you got to move, you got to get out of the way. So I said that on the interview, and I guess it sparked a little like, you know, back and forth through the comments and the fans because he just went viral on 23 and 1. So the fans were like going back and forth or whatever. We ended up being cool after that. Okay.

Me and 1090, Jake, we talked it out. We did an interview and all. We ended up being cool. And we linked up with another YouTube. I ain't even going to give that fuck boy, no clock. Honestly, I ain't even going to say his name on this channel. Okay. But we linked up with another YouTuber who I ended up,

I ain't even going to talk about it. I ended up bitching him up. I called him out to a fight in this city and he didn't come. So that's that. Me and 1090 Jake ended up getting into it because... Remember this. Where was that that you pulled up on? It was on Dorchester.

Oh, okay. Why the fuck you in Massachusetts? So I was... All right, so everybody thinks so. All right, let me explain this. situation, bro, because everybody thinks that me and 1090 were just like a sanctioned fight.

Like, we were just supposed to fight. Like, this shit was set up. It did not look like that. It looked like you ran down on them. It was not set up at all. It was none of that. I was going to Boston with my brother on a personal business mission. We were on a whole

other tip. I posted my trip. As I posted my trip, he came at me. Because obviously, I guess he felt like I'm coming to his city for him. I didn't say anything about meeting this dude nothing I took my trip

went all the way up there he got on his live I posted a little boomerang on my Instagram saying I was in Southie Boston the weather was nice so he gets on his live and sells me out

people start DMing me of course I ain't paying attention to nobody's live people start DMing me and my phone's blowing up so I'm like fuck okay so I open my phone and they're telling me

that he's on live talking about me so he's on live talking about me calling me all type of this, that, and the third I won't pull up on him, and I can push an old man and this, that, because there was an old man at the corner store that called the police on me and pulled a gun, and I pushed him. So that shit, I ain't going to say it went viral, but it kind of went viral at the time, and he kind of used that as like leverage, oh, push me like you did this old man. Right.

And he started posting that, and then he went live while I was in South Carolina. But if someone pulls a gun on me and I just push him, then, yeah, I'm pretty crazy. That's like, that's pretty crazy. You just want to shove a motherfucker with a gun in your face. And let me tell you about that video. He cut the video. He took it from my Instagram, cut the video, and reposted it

because I used it as a story post. I didn't post it to my post. So it disappeared in 24 hours, and I left it alone. Because obviously I didn't want that shit up there like that. He took that screen recorded, it cut it, and then post it. Wow.

And made it look like I just pushed the dude. Wow. So obviously you can still see in the video towards the end, you can see him like this with the gun. So 1090, gives you his address? So he's on live and obviously there's like seven, eight hundred people on a live and he's selling me out like on some bum shit. Like you, you know you, you're in

opposition. Like you know what I am. I know what you are. Like, why would you even play like that? And is this gang related at all? Because you guys are from different gangs? Absolutely. I mean, it absolutely has something to do with politics because at the end of the day you say you're from Tampa, Florida and you did time in Florida prisons. So you know what the politics are like you know you that shit is nothing to no business you ain't my name should never come out your mouth unless you expect in retaliation okay and the fight was not set up nothing was set up like hey i want to fight you we can go to a gym we can do this that and a third so like i said i was in southeuboston and he was selling me out on the live and he was like oh fuck boy this that in the

third seven 800 people on the live so obviously i pulled up on him he dropped the address i got a bunch of people to go on his live and spam dropped the address and he ended up dropping the address. He was more, I ain't, now I ain't going to take nothing from him. You get a little closer to the mic, sorry. Yeah, I ain't going to take nothing from him as a man. Because as a man, he was out there. As a man, he was on his live.

The only thing I'm going to take from him is he was on the main street where all the police are this, that, and the third. There's no entrance to the houses there. You have to go around back to the parking lot to enter the houses. So I went around back, parked and waited for him to walk to the back. When he walked to the back, I told him, nah, don't end your live. I gave him plenty of chance. He put his hat down, put his phone down, and he squared up with me.

I'll give you the video after this, obviously. Because you never dropped the video, but you dropped a couple screenshots from the video. I'm going to give you the whole video. Oh, man. I will look at it and then never do anything with it for the record. All right, cool. So, absolutely. So I pulled up on him, and that was that.

You know, I handled up on him. Was this a fair fight or were there weapons involved? There were weapons involved. Absolutely. On one person's behalf or both? On my behalf, absolutely. That's what I heard. Absolutely.

There's weapons involved on my behalf. When it comes to gang politics, you don't play that shit. So from your perspective, you weren't interested in a fair fight. That's just not how you get down? No, not at that point. You didn't even ask me for a fair fight at that point. At that point, you went live while I was in your city with 700 people on your live selling me out, saying I won't pull up.

Right. That was the one thing that surprised me about that is that just the idea of somebody, and shout out to Jake, because I've talked to him, I think he's a cool guy, But the idea of like a gang member waiting for other gang members to fight outside his crib and he don't got homies with him or a gun. He had somebody on his live saying they were going to leave me slumped out there and shit like that. If you look at some of the old lives on YouTube, he had somebody out there saying they were going to slump me with a little red band down on. So obviously, I came to the fight prepared. Obviously, he was just on live with his homies and shit like that on the front street.

And like I said, at the end of the day, it's politics. You ain't got no business speaking on me. I ain't got no business speaking on you. And when it do come to that, that's what it comes to. And nothing was set up. Like I said, I was in Boston on a whole other mission. Right. And so that situation goes down and then what?

You just leave? And then how does it ensue online? So I shot the Michigan real quick and hit a couple dispensaries and then went home. Hit a couple dispensaries. To Michigan? Yeah, to winter. From Dorchester? That's kind of out of the way if you're going to.

Because it was the first league of state besides. besides mass. Why the fuck you care about being legal? So we could go to the dispensary. Oh, you just wanted to go to the dispensary? I think we needed some weed. I feel you there. That's exciting the first time you do it.

Our whole plan just had got blown by this whole little shit. So when that shit happened, like blood was everywhere. You know what I mean? So like, and there was people watching and shit like that. There was people coming out of their houses. So obviously we had to get the fuck up out of there. Like I said, he was on the front street at first. There was police all up and down the front street.

If anybody knows that area, they obviously know what the fuck I'm talking about. I've never been to that area a day in my life before that day. Right. You probably won't ever have to go back to Dorchester either, to be honest with you. I mean, I got big love from Boston. A lot of people fought with me from Boston. We grew up thinking of Dorchester as like the Compton of New England. Like that's like the worst part in Boston area.

I never heard of it. I never heard of it until I went there, you know. And when I went there, you know, it's all right. I got big love from the people out there. So, you know, it ain't like there's no pressure out there. You didn't release the video because you just didn't want to get caught up again? Like I said, I was on three years. I was on five years probation, but I just got terminated off the three years just so I could fly out here and come on

this show. Wow. My manager paid the lawyer. We went ahead and did that. Lawyer went and did his thing and got me terminated. Oh, that's sick. So did you guys keep beefing after this? Like, how did he approach it after that?

I noticed he went on Instagram live and talked about it with his head bleeding a little bit and shit. I mean, there really wasn't nothing left to say after that. I mean, you know, I ain't never get nowhere. This is the first time I ever told the story a year later. Really? Yeah, absolutely. Because I was on papers and, you know, I'm not trying to check in like that. That's some stupid shit.

Definitely. So from your perspective, let's just say same shit was happening. Let's say he happened to be in your neck of the woods and he called you out and said, let's meet up and fight again. Would you, all right, let's do it? Yeah. Yeah, anybody. I mean, nobody puts fear in my heart.

Not to say I'm the baddest man ever. Like I said, I'm humble. I don't go out my way starting with nobody, but I'm just a person I am and the way I was raised. I was always taught if somebody applies pressure to you, you got to just apply it twice as hard. It's the only way to deal with it.

And that's what I've done my whole life. Is there a part of you that wants to not ever do that kind of shit if you can avoid it just because you know that you're always kind of playing with your freedom? Absolutely. I got a beautiful family. I got two beautiful kids, absolutely. You know what I mean?

I'm not on that stupid shit, you know, that everybody be trying to be trying to be. to say I'm on. Like I said, I'm humble. The only time I've ever came at somebody was with these YouTubers that came at me. And I came about it the best way I could. With one YouTuber, that was how the situation was handled. With the next YouTuber, I called him out to a gym. He bought the call out. He had the date. He had the time. He had the location. I was there. He didn't show up. Were we talking about milk now? No, we're talking about a whole other YouTuber that I, like I said, I ain't going to give no clout to. Okay. Then with the new YouTuber, Milk, I didn't give him a new

address and new location. We don't, we don't register the gym 10 minutes from his house for him to show it to the fight. And obviously he's saying he don't want to show it to a show up here. But he did show up here earlier today. Luckily it was like two hours before you were supposed to be here. I guess he was just guessing at the time. I was still on my plane. Like, come on Adam. I told you, I got out at at 2 o'clock in the morning. I didn't get on my plane until 7.30. Right. How did you guys started beefing? So he originally the beef started when he attacked, because like I said, I was straight with 1090 Jake at first and I was straight with the other YouTuber at first.

We were all, us three were straight. You understand? And when he attacked one of them, of course, you know, I'm gonna fire a slick comment back or whatever because we was all doing the YouTube thing at, you know, we was on the same page. We was all in each other's DMs trying to promote

each other, you feel me at the time? For sure. And this was before they went sour on me. So I left the shit alone for a year. I ain't say nothing about him. And then I did a little spar with Mighty Mouse, and, you know, he wanted to get and do a little reaction. Like, he wouldn't even last two seconds in the grid with Mighty Mouse.

Many people, myself included, would not last very long against Mighty Mouse. He's pretty intimidating. And the funny part is, is we wasn't even serious with me and Mighty Mouse spar. We had just smoked a joint, and we were walking in the parking lot, and I was like, let's box. And he looked at me, and he's like, you serious? I'm like, yeah, let's box. You know, we just played around and just uploaded it. And then he did the whole reaction video saying I bucked his call out,

this, that, and the third. So I was just, you know, if I bucked your call out, I've been promoting it for a week from 5 to 6 o'clock, show up at this gym, 10 minutes from your house. Like I said, Adam, I bonded out at 2.30 in the morning, got on a flight at 7.30 to come to the show, bro. I appreciate it. You got to understand how hectic my morning been.

I ain't had nothing to eat but a fucking bagel since yesterday, bro. Bagel, no. Yeah, man. My, bro, it's been on go. 24. I went from booking to the second floor, bonded out from the second floor, shot up, got all my shit ready,

jumped on a plane, from the plane to the hotel, took a shower, got just enough time to smoke or join at the dispensary and come here, bro. How was bookings? You haven't been in that environment

in a while, and I know it's not as intense as the shit you've seen, but was it kind of nice being back? Let me explain something. I haven't been to jail or prison in three years. Right.

When I walked into booking, bro, I had so much anxiety, bro. It was out the roof, bro, because I got a life now. So, you know, back then, like I said, I was young. I was dumb. I was legit. But when I went to booking this time, I'm like, the anxiety level is like, damn, dog. You know, you're stressing what the fuck going on, what the fuck going on on the street. You got bills.

I got a business I run. You know, so it's a lot of shit you're stressing when you're sitting in there and fucking book it. When you went to prison before, your life wasn't that great before. Your life wasn't that much better than prison before, right? Like, now you have a good life, and it really must stand out. My life back then was clubs, fucking women. Okay, that just better than prison, yeah, for sure. Gang banging, going to parties, fighting other gang members at parties and shit like that,

finding out that they're going to be at this person's party. So we show up 14 deep and shut the whole party down. That does sound fun. Okay. That's Florida shit. But, and that was more my juvenile life. Like, you know, it was wild. You know, I didn't give a fuck.

I sell I sell everything from dope to fucking breaking in houses like it didn't matter to me my juvenile life didn't matter

because I guess you can say from being in the juvenile system it kind of set you up when you become an adult you're not skip all those developmental years

you're not ready for it so let me explain this so this shit is serious and people are going to comment on this and this shit is serious juveniles from 12 to 16 years old 17 years old, 18 years old

they get incarcerated, they go in and out of juvenile detention centers and programs. They never do any real time. They do 6 to 9 months, 21 days in the detention center, slap on the wrist here and they're getting slaps on the wrist for arm burglary, carjacking, shit like that. They're getting slaps

on the wrist. When they turn 18, it sets them up for failure because now they're still in the same mind frame that they can do the same shit. Right. And when they get out there and they do that same shit at 18 and they catch a carjacking, they're facing life in prison now.

It's no longer fun in games. You're not facing 21 days. You're not facing 6 to 9 months in the program, 9 to 12 months, 36 months at the most in the program. You're not facing that shit. No more. You're facing life.

So it's a whole different ballgame. So I feel like the juvenile system is kind of in a way fucked up because it does set you up, you know, for thinking that you're just going to be sweet when you turn 18, 19, 20 years old, and you catch a charge. I could see that for sure.

Yeah, no, that's super fucked up when you think about like, just the fact that like... And it's the mentality. You're in and out of juvenile detention center. So you're in and out of there with people who have the same mentality as you that are robbing people, breaking in people's shit, selling dope. It's, you know, 15 in the juvenile detention center, obviously you're doing something dumb. Right. And you're just going to get put on to so much game in there. Absolutely.

But not in a good way, most likely. They're not going to teach you how to not get caught as well as they're just going to teach you more shit to do. They're just going to teach you more shit. And that's what every institution and being incarcerated. over time you learn more and more nifty-ass shit like the most intelligent motherfuckers are locked up definitely so is there a street element to the UN milk thing too since you technically kind of bang the same thing but absolutely absolutely see the thing is is he knows how he's supposed to go about it

he knows he's supposed to go about it one-on-one man-man combat we're in the same set he knows what time it is we're supposed to go about it one-on-one man-to-man fist-to-fist and that that goes from most gang culture and politics right if a If a person in one set has a problem with another person in the set, they have to bang it out. Right. That's what that is. And they keep that in the set. It's respectable.

It's respectable. And you shake hands afterwards. You keep it in the set. He knows what that's about. He's online playing all type of games and shit. Right. Obviously, he knew I wasn't here yet, obviously. Let me know if I'm overstepping any boundaries by asking this.

But out here, from what I hear, is like there's the Hoover Crips and Hoover criminals. and you are a Crip and he's a criminal. No, I'm a criminal. You're a criminal. I'm a criminal. And he is too. This is where people, this is where people, no, let me explain this. And this is a big thing. This is where people get confused on the internet

to where when I do say I'm Crip. Okay. When I went on 23 and 1, I told my story about being incarcerated. A lot of my stories on the Internet are about me being incarcerated. Okay. When you get incarcerated in Florida prisons, it doesn't matter if you are criminal, you're falling under the sea, period.

And that's how it is in Florida. Or you're getting ran off the compound. And that's how it is with, you can be on a compound with 43 hovers and one insane gangster on a compound and literally will all be knit tight. Right. It doesn't matter because behind walls, the sea rides.

That's it. It overrides every type of politic, any type of dispute that any gang has had from the beginning. So basically, you're just going to fall under the sea. Okay. Basically, you still, you still, but you enforce it. under the seat. Right. Because it's prison politics. There's no, there's no, none of that. Like, it's not, just like with the G's, when the G's go to prison, it's not, oh, you are BD, I'm a GD, we're going to

sit here and fight all day. That's not how it is in Florida. Right. And Florida, the BDs and the GDs in prison are shaking up. Really? They got each other's back. Because they got a, they got a band together against these other games, right? Absolutely. And that's where that comes in. It comes about, like I said, earlier in the interview, it comes about numbers. The gangs on the compound, everything is about numbers. And you want to bring people into your group. You want to bring people into your circle. So that's where that's where the Hoover guideline falls under the sea when you are incarcerated in Florida prison. But that's why it surprised me so much that it wasn't actually divided by racial lines. Because if you're really trying to bring everyone in as much as possible, it seems logical that

it would end up being like every Hispanic gangs together, every black gangs together, every white guys together. With the Hispanics, they're more like they stick to their gang because like if the niathas are obviously the neas are obviously the thresas and they're obviously different gangs right but they're latino so i can say in florida prison that the latino gangs are all tight-knit the latino community is a tight-knit community in florida is like a cartel influence or you're hearing about all that i mean i don't know how to explain it because you can see you can see chico's in black gangs you can see you can see chicos as crips you can see chico's as Kings, you can see them as zoos in prison.

But how to explain it is that the Chico community is still just a tight-knit community. Regardless if you see two Chicoes in the Bloods and two Chicoes in the Cribs or a Chico over here that doesn't bang anything, there's still a tight-knit community. For sure. Milk recently posted some paperwork claiming that you were snitching. I'm assuming that you're not a big fan of this. He posted a police report, a police statement at that. I posted my discovery. I did a whole video on my channel about it, posted my whole discovery,

broke down the whole case, and this is what me and the other YouTuber went through it about. Okay. This is where it originated. This is kind of a throwback. So he tried to stir up some shit that I already went down, that I already done broke my whole case on the internet. Because what they did was they took a police report, and a police report, which is a police statement, not mine, the police statement, and said I was snitching.

Okay. So describe the scenario and, like, what the, issue is here, like how they're trying to represent it? I admitted to myself being on camera, by me admitting to myself being on camera, there was co-defendants with me. They basically, like, tricked me. They basically, oh, that's you on camera? Yeah, okay, boom.

And they combined the case together as co-defendants they put. Because, like I said, the girl told on me. So they combined the sense, she was thinking that she was going to get off by telling on me or something, I guess, saying it was me. Right. But she didn't get off. We ended up getting charged as code offense, and that's where I ended up, like I said, sitting three years in the county jail.

fighting my whole case while she died the other co-defendant caught probation and like I said I was facing a 15 minimum man okay so he's you're saying he's misrepresenting whatever the fuck happened just to basically paint this picture absolutely because I posted my whole discovery I posted statements I posted the witness statements I posted everything right like nowhere am I telling him my discovery nowhere my police report none of that shit am I telling he posted he posted what the police said right he didn't post what I said which was nothing okay interesting all the way till three years down the line when we threatened to go to trial and they waived the minimum man like i said earlier and they gave me the bottom of the guidelines which was

12 and the only reason they did that is because she died which i showed on my channel as well i sure i broke all that down i even showed her death certificate right i missed that upload but okay that's good to know um when you come to california for the first time what's what are your thoughts on tapping in do you have like relationships out here with people you already wanted to link up with I mean, I have my own relationships. When people say tap in, like, who the fuck are you talking about? Like, I don't even know who the fuck you're talking about. Like, nobody's telling me who they're talking about.

Are you for real? I don't know who you're supposed to tap in with. You just hear a lot about tapping in. Tap in, tap in, tap in. And it's like, it's like, it's, you know, like I said at the end of the day, it's politics, the West Coast, East Coast, everybody has their own politics. Like I said, my politics that I was explaining about Florida prisons does not go down in California.

Right. But the shit in California. does not go down in Florida. It's the same fucking way. And that's what people, a lot of people, fail to realize that haven't been to Florida, haven't been to the East Coast in general, haven't been to New York,

haven't been to Virginia, haven't been to Baltimore, haven't been to Atlanta, you know what I mean, North Carolina, haven't been to the trenches out there. Right. So they don't know what it's like.

You know what I mean? Some people have, so they do know what it's like. They have an understanding just like me. Everybody has an understanding of what it's like. So like I said, I got big love everywhere. Mm-hmm.

But when people say this, tap in, tap in, tap in, tap in. But, like, okay, Anneli Chapa and Blockboy J.B. both claim Grape Street, but from Memphis. And I notice, like, you know, they come out here and they're, like, shooting videos. Absolutely. See, the thing is, is that the media is so fucked up. I read the comments and I laugh to myself. I'm like, bro, these people sound so stupid. So they say, oh, because you're a Hoover, you got to be from California.

Because you're a Pai Roo, you got to be from California. because you're a Great Street Crip, you've got to be from Grape Street in California. No, we're in 2021. Okay. That's not, that's, we're talking about gangs that developed in the late 60s in the early 70s. We're talking about gangs that developed years ago. We're in 2021 now. Right.

These gangs have spread all, you have Crips in England. You have Crips all over the world, just like you have bloods all over the world. It's just, it's expanded, like any type of religion would expand. Damn. Um, okay, that makes sense. That's why you have, why you have people like Blockboy J.B. That's why you have grape street crips from Memphis because obviously somewhere down the line, one of the homies from L.A. traveled to Memphis and pushed the line down in Memphis.

So obviously that's how that went. Yeah, I was watching a like hood vlog from Grape Street where I sort of started to realize like, oh shit, there's a ton of people who live here that are from over there and shit. Like there's a crazy crossover that I never knew about. Absolutely. And that's why I said that the politics are different. That's exactly what I was saying about politics and shit like that while incarcerated. It's a lot different. Definitely. Okay. How do you, did you ever think that you would be someone who's like participating in actual like boxing matches online or whatever? How did you link up with Mighty Mouse and where that all come from? Really, I mean, most of my fights been in prison. I'm just going to be honest about the situation. Like I grew up fighting in my neighborhood, of course. My neighborhood was a fight. in neighborhood like we we were more fighting than toting guns when I was growing up

um we even threw boxing gloves on all day and just sat there and boxed you know what I mean so we had a lot of fights in our neighborhood but we was always cool and my neighborhood was a tight-knit neighborhood so if any neighborhood outside of mine had beef we would always come like i said 14 deep and shut down parties like we were on some dumb shit right and uh what the fuck was i talking about um just fighting oh so most of my fighting like I said most of my fighting been in prison but I did have a little fighting on the street when I was growing up most of my my street wasn't pissed to play when I was legit it was more fighting right I grew up in a Florida neighborhood that you had to fight in right um same I grew up fighting all the fucking time and it's crazy to me now when

I see people who it's like unthinkable to them like like out here in particular where just kids get shot at 15 all the time right it's so so I was obviously I was born in the 80s, so it's a lot different than now. You know what I mean? I grew up in the early 2000s. It was more about fighting than pulling pistols. Like, nowadays, you could be 13 and you're pulling a pistol, and this person's your op because he says something on the internet.

I'm not promoting that shit. That shit is dumb to me. Right. All that is smoking your op pack and doing this shit. All that shit is dumb to me. Honestly, at the end of the day, the only thing I'm promoting is if you a man and you got a problem, approach that situation in the right way,

y'all can bump it out. Y'all can handle that like men. all this bitch shit pulling guns on 13 year olds and drive-by shootings and kids dying and shit it's bullshit it sucks that's gone to that point just because you know it makes my childhood or i guess your childhood seem a lot more innocent and nice in comparison because it's like you know it's a great thing when you could like fight somebody and then go home and it's like you know there's just there's no coming back y'all would smoke a blunt on the green box the next day you know y'all would sit on the green box the next day and smoke the idea of making these like permanent decisions like shooting somebody when

that that young is just so fucking crazy to me. I'm going to say that when I did my first three years, it hardened me a little bit more towards weapons. Like I said, I grew up bumping. I didn't grow up, you know, totem pistols too much like that, you know, here and there, you know. But when I did my three years, it more put me into the like heavy gang life

because in wild camps, everything is run by gangs. There's either you gang bang or you're breaking it off, period. and that's how it was. Every nine and then you had a solid person that was known from his area that was holding it down, that was bumping, that was good on somebody else's face or good on a whole other gang space

like you weren't going to fuck with him and he didn't gang bang and that's just what it was and he was going to fight about his. But like I said, we used to line up at the window waiting. When I talk about putting and working wild camps, we used to line up at the window waiting for the new Cox to come in to press them about their shit.

And that's just how it was. And that's how you put in work throughout the Department of Corrections as a YO. You know, it just is what it is. Extortion and fucking feeding the gang. That's just what it is, taking hits. If somebody did something wrong, you gotta do it. You gotta take the hit. But so you weren't worried about like fighting on camera or anything like that?

I mean. In terms of the Mighty Mouse shit or the local boxing type stuff? No, absolutely not. I mean, at the end of the day, like I said, we both men. I mean, at the end of the day, that goes with anybody that has a problem with a man, they should be able to settle it. Like, man, without, like I said, we've grown. I'm not 21 no more.

I'm not a loose cannon like I was when I first got out of prison and I got through that shit with 1090 Jake. You understand? Like, I don't settle down. I got two kids, you know, shit's, I got a family life. So at the end of the day, that's what I want. But you could still be a man. You could still be that gangster that you are. You just ain't got to be in the street.

You know what I mean? But the question is, is like, would you give a fuck about taking a real L in a boxing match? Like, would you be able to walk away from it and be like, fuck it, I fought like a man, I took a L? I would shake his hand afterwards. Okay. I respect that. If he showed up to the gym today from 5 to 6 and he fought me, if he whooped me, which I know he's not going to happen, I'm going to knock his teeth out. But if he shows up today from 5 to 6 at the gym, that's 10 minutes from his house.

If he wops me, I'll shake his hand. Even if I win, I'll shake his hand. And that's what type of person I am. I'm just, I like to get the pressure off. You know what I mean? And like I said, the only way to deal with pressure is to apply it. Could you see yourself ever squashing shit with somebody like 1090 Jake or even milk? Or is it?

You don't seem like you have a lot to gain from going out of your way to squash it, you know, like or him either. I mean, as in like I said, shaking hands apart in ways, yeah. But as in being associates, that's done. Like at the end of the day, I'm a man, bro. I ain't from to deal with nobody that crossed me. That's over with it. I feel it. I want to ask you about what you think of the extremely disturbing trend that's been coming out of Florida and Jacksonville specifically where all these young kids are, you know, it's bad enough to be they making the songs about smoking their dead ops and stuff. But now they're sampling pop songs and trying to turn this shit into hit songs.

And Young Eni and All them, yeah. They're viral. And that's what people like, obviously. I mean, that's where most of my clock came from is fighting other YouTubers, getting other YouTubers scale. to fight and you know most of my clock came from that dumb shit but at the end of the day like I said they they they press me and I just press twice as hard right that's that's just it um but the internet like I said the internet loves drama that's what it is they love that shit so when you're saying you smoking a dead op and you fucking sitting on his grave site and shit like that like that's like the ultimate disrespect you can get so I mean like I said it's a whole different error they taking it to a whole different level now 14 year olds banging it holding pistols and shit like that when

we was growing up if we had an op we would just show up to his party and shut that shit down beat the fuck out of everybody i mean they're singing about like 16 year old kids that got shot outside of their house you know right i know i'm old and everything but it definitely is kind of stomach churning to me it's the error and i mean you can't take nothing from it because at the end of the day they they eat and they're doing their thing you know um could you imagine This is kind of a dark hypothetical, but let's say that somebody did a song like that about somebody that you cared about who had been killed. Could you imagine yourself lose in touch with the more mature version of yourself that you are now? Like, is that the kind of thing that could potentially set you off?

They could talk about people that, listen, that's not going to push me to a point where I'm going to kill somebody. What's going to push me to a point where I'm going to kill somebody is somebody coming to my house approaching my family or disrespecting my family in any type of manner. in public or anything in general. Like, I'm more of a protector about my family and not. Like, I don't really care about all the done shit. Definitely. Like, that will push me to that point where you'll die. But other than that, like, you could talk all the shit you won't.

If you ain't willing to put them fists up and fight, then sit your head down somewhere. Yeah, because, I mean, as a content creator or whatever at a certain point, you just have to accept, like, there's going to be smaller creators, there's going to be commenters, they're going to say the craziest shit, about me and I'm just going to kind of have to, you know, just put some separation between myself. I can't just act mad as fuck. And that's when you see like 50-year-old gangbangers that are on Instagram and they got to spaz out on random people and shit, it's like, bro, you're not using the internet right. You got to just, just got to let some of these comments rock. And at first, like I said, when you first get, I haven't been into YouTube for nothing but like a year and a half. Okay.

Like I went by and like a year and a half, almost two years or something like that. I haven't been out of prison but three years. So I wasn't used to it. You know what I mean? Like I see comments and shit. I start responding to comments. And, you know, you can't respond to every dumbass on the internet. But in jail, you absolutely have to respond to every dumbass.

Respond to every dumbass comment because we're up close and personal. We live together. You are not going to disrespect me. On the internet, it's a different story. It could be a 12-year-old kid in his house on the fucking keyboard somewhere, you know. So Pino stands for Pompano. Absolutely. So you're from approximately the same area that Kodak is from?

I'm from Cyprus, but I'm known out there on the ugly corner. Like all the videos you see me with on the ugly corner, my family stays out there, so I'm known out there. Have you seen the impact that somebody like him? I feel like he's influenced the music so much, but then also maybe even the culture, like you just hear about wild that shit going on around there? Absolutely. Kodak's a big inspiration in the culture. He's well respected in the city as well.

You hear about his boy Psychobobo being shot the other day? Yeah, you know, big prayers at the psycho bob. But then he goes on Instagram live right after saying that he didn't get shot, but then they have footage of him coming out the ambulance saying, fuck you to the camera. How the fuck you get in the ambulance to be shot? But like I said, you know, it's part of the culture. You know, I ain't nobody going to sit down, you know.

Because Kodak does the same thing where if somebody like tries to do something to him, he will say that it didn't happen. Because I think in their head that's like a form of snitching, If you go on Instagram live and say that it happened that way, cops could use that. It is. Regardless of the person or the situation, it is. And like I said, I got the whole video of what happened with the other YouTuber in case he tried to video it and do the cut edit shit like he did before.

So I got everything on video. My home girl jumped out of the back seat and got everything on video. So that was for that purpose. The video that I have wasn't for the purpose of releasing to the internet and being like, look, I beat up your favorite YouTuber, this, that and the third. No, it was more for my, in case he tried to attack me on the internet again with a cut edit version or something like that. But I am going to show you the video. That will not look away. Yeah, for sure.

But yeah, you know what I mean? So at the end of the day, I was the only one with the video. So the only person that can incriminate me is me. You know what I mean? At that point, I was on active probation. And the only person that could incriminate me is me. So I obviously released pictures to the internet, but my face was covered in 99% of the pictures.

If you noticed, there was an emoji over my face or something over my face. I was wondering how much that would matter to your probation officer at that time. Like, if they would still be like, we know it's you. None of it was released on my page, though. So it was all released on random pages. And it's probably hard for a probation officer to really wrap their head around all the YouTube shit. Like, they probably don't know all the stuff to be paying attention to that somebody like me would be able to be like,

oh, I'm going to Google this, this, and this, and this, and be able to sort of figure out what's going on, you know? Right. Yeah, I don't think they know about that shit. I don't think they care about that shit, honestly. You know, at the end of the day, everybody got a job to do, and the motherfuckers be busy as far. And especially during the coronavirus, this shit happened right at the beginning of the, excuse me, this shit happened right at the beginning of the pandemic. And they told us that we weren't supposed to report to probation that we just call once a month and just break.

break down if everything's the same, your address, your place of work and shit like that. So shit was really sweet. They weren't coming to the house, nothing. COVID had just hit. So I took off. It's kind of took off, okay. So I took off on a whole other mission. What are your aspirations going forward in terms of like your channel, what you could see

yourself doing in life on social media, et cetera? I mean, obviously I'm in the prison genre. Obviously, I'm going to keep interviewing convicts and people getting out of prison and, you know, hearing their story out and having them tell their story on the internet if they want to, not incriminate themselves, just tell how they got where they are. And obviously, if you watch my videos,

most of my interviews is about a positive ending about what people have done to change, you know, in society and how they haven't been back to prison. And nobody on my channel so far has been back to prison. Oh, that's so. Yeah, which is crazy. I'm sorry, one person went to jail. Okay.

But he didn't go to prison. Okay. And hopefully it gets out soon. Right. Yeah, freaking Georgie. That would feel pretty shitty if somebody, like, got caught up because of something they said on your channel, right? Yeah, right. And I would never put that in my channel.

Like, if you notice my interviews, they're all cut edits. Like, I don't put nobody's name in there. And if they do have a name in there, I cut that shit right out. Like, it's more about your story, how you got where you're at and how you change your life. That, to me, on my channel, that's what it's about. I bet that in prison now there's like a shillot of people just talking about becoming YouTubers once they get out. I mean, I've honestly, there's a, there's a YouTuber that caught my attention that's in prison right now. His name's like Emmanuelo or some shit.

I'll show you him after the show. Right. And he caught my attention, you know, he's been liking my posting shit like that. But he's making videos in prison. He's making videos in prison. I saw a TikTok a other day with half a million followers and I fucking... TikTok is where it's viral. I DMed him on Instagram and started talking.

know him about it and he was just like yeah he's like i got another fucking 18 years i'm like yeah ticot is is is is a major thing in prison it is now it is not when i was in prison how many phones you think are like is every prison fucking full of phones no see the thing is is i was at home's correction institution and there was probably two phones on a pound really so it's some real leech shit you don't get unless you but then i was at like ACI and there was like 40 phones 50 phones on a pound. Everybody in their mama had a phone and every gang had a phone. Right. But is it too much of a risk? Like, is it a big risk

having it? Because if you get caught with it, you can get a lot trouble? I mean, you're going to get 60 days in the box. That's about it. That's it. That's not that crazy, huh? 60 days in the box. Right. I mean, 60 days, when you're already incarcerated, 60 days in a box really and shit, because you're already incarcerated.

You're in prison, meaning you've already been incarcerated quite some time because you had to go through the county jail process and all that. So you're not coming for us. off the street. So when they lock you up and confine me, it is what it is, bitch. Get a book, lay down, and that's what it is. Get a book. Yeah, that's what it is.

Get a book, lay down, and when they tell you to get out, get out. I'm sure you have a lot of fans who are basically young dudes who are kind of in the same position that you were, where they're, like, sort of tempted between normal life and street life. Like, how do you speak to them and, like, what's your advice for people? Because obviously, you live this life and you are a product of this life you live, but then at the same

time, you know, 15-year-old kid asking you about life you don't want to tell him like yeah just go fuck up do all the things I did no absolutely not like like I said it's more about that that's what my channel is about like honestly I want to when people do get on my channel and I have people on my channel

that were sentenced to 50 years I have people that did 30 years in the Department of Corrections and when they get on my channel and they explain that scenario my hope is that a kid that 15 year old kid sees that and it's like yeah I ain't gonna rob Jimmy's house next week you know what I mean like he just seen the video of dude who

caught 40 years now he changed his mind he's not gonna rob jimmy's house next week right you know what i mean and that's that's more like i said my channel is about pushing to a positive outcome and coming from a negative environment or a negative because like you as a kid committing crimes and shit it's like prison well i mean you you went in young for the youth offender and shit and everything but it's like to a lot of people my first time getting locked up i was 11 years old but i mean like that's prison's a mystery to a lot of people until they get there. So to a 16 year old kid who doesn't necessarily have the brain to be thinking 10 steps down the road and be like, oh, I could be in here for 10 years. I mean, the more information that's out there, that's why I think ultimately is good about

the prison YouTube type shit is that if a young kid is a fan of that but realizes what's in for him if he gets caught shooting somebody, then that's a good situation. Right. And like I said, Josh has been a big inspiration towards me with that YouTube shit. Like I said, I use him kind of as like a mentor towards YouTube because at times I can fall back into negativity and you know and that's just that's that's just me it's anybody in general that can happen to anybody anybody can fall back into negativity but everybody should have somebody that has a guide in life you know what I mean when they're doing something like I said I was green to YouTube so he guided me through this you know what I mean like yo don't don't sweat the comments this that and the third this is how you set up

your AdSense account this is how you make money off of YouTube this that and the third so he He's been more of a mentor towards YouTube to learn how to deal with the YouTube society. And the only thing that's kept me going with my YouTube channel is, like I said, having people come on there explain their story and stuff like that. And as far as with the future with my channel, yeah, I obviously want to do reactions, probably to, you know, famous people, obviously. And nobody wants to react to somebody they don't know, I mean, unless they did a backflip off a roof and landed on their head. You know what I want you to react to?

Did you see that I interviewed this rapper C. Mac the Loke? C. Mac the Loke, man. He's a funny guy, bro. He is a funny guy, but... Hey, I like him, bro. He's got an interesting forehead tattoo. I was wondering what you thought of that. Right.

And like I said, like I said, in prison... You'd look past that in prison, like whatever. In Florida prison, you would absolutely have to look past that. If he was riding with the sea and you were riding with the sea, you absolutely, like I said, it's about numbers. You would absolutely have to look past it. He would have probably had to fade some of the omies about. But after that, that shit would have been dead.

And that's what I was going about about keeping it in it. You know, as a man, you know, you just fight that shit out. And that's what it is. If you're pushing a car, both of y'all push that car. He's been locked up for, like, the past month. And I think we're all kind of wondering what that's like for it. My manager personally knows CMAC. Oh, okay.

They're tight. For sure. Free CEMAT. Anybody you want to thank or anybody that stands out to you? Anything else that people need to know about? Not really. I mean with this content shit, you know, I'm going to keep pushing this, you know. And at the end of the day, it's for a change, you know.

It's, I don't want to see somebody do the same shit. My first time going to prison, you know, I was 18 years old. My first time getting locked up, I was 11. So it's old. It's worn out. Prison, jail, that shit is for the birds. Nobody wants nobody telling them what to do all day, when the shit, when to eat, when to piss. Especially for somebody like you had to work their ass off and hustle and do all this stupid shit to get money throughout your life.

and then to now be able to, like, make some videos in your home and get a good check from YouTube, that's got to feel, like, pretty big relief in comparison, right? Absolutely. I mean, I don't really get paid too much off of YouTube. More of my income comes from my business I run. Go subscribe. He's going to get there soon.

Y'all go subscribe, and we'll get there. At the end of the day, like I said, it's about the hustle, and it's about the change. So that's what keeps me going. You know, at the end of the day, like, all this beef shit is irrelevant. That shit don't even matter to me. If you ain't willing to square out like a man with me and fight,

We could go bare knuckle, gloves, whatever, it don't matter. And I know there's going to be a lot of people like, oh, Pino, I'll fight you, Pino, I'll fight you. Like, dude, who are you? Yeah, exactly, right? You know what I mean? So at the end of the day, if you're another YouTuber in my genre telling me to fight, obviously I'm going to come see about that shit, and we're going to do it the right way. You feel like a target for the cops still in Florida?

Or do you feel like they kind of see you as? Absolutely, like I said, I just, so yesterday, I woke up like, nine o'clock I had to go pick up some money from one of my friends I had sold him a car I had to go pick up some money I went to pick up the money literally got 10 minutes down the street fired up a joint

got 10 minutes down the street and got pulled over I got booked with some weed or whatever and they took me in bro they took me in it was my first time being incarcerated in three years and I was like nah nah you know what I mean and it's shit like this that is letting me know that stay on the right track

If you want to fight somebody, fight them the right way. You're pushing the cause. Push that shit the right way. You know what I mean? And as far as with the other YouTubers that you do see me with, the only YouTubers that you will see me collab with or talk with is YouTubers that are on a positive note. You won't see me pushing with nobody on some negative shit

or sitting there just talking shit about every other YouTuber. That shit is whack. Definitely. That shit is definitely whack. Yeah, man, I just like seeing people, you know, making something out of them. So coming up out of, like, shitty circumstances, and then using the internet to help them get ahead.

That's a beautiful thing. I grew up buying fucking Payless shoes when Payless was still around, bro. That's real. I grew up buying shoes that looked like Nike Cortez's, but they weren't. Like real talk, you know, so like everything. And that was what my mom was able to afford. My mom was by herself raising me. My dad was in and out of prison my whole life.

So obviously, you know, I have a lot of love for my mom. She did it all by herself. So at the end of the day, when I had to get them Jordans or when I wanted a nice outfit to fit in at school, like when I was going up, it was more Jabos, you know, polo, buffolino shoes, dickies and shit like that. That was, that was... You get all this.

Yeah, that was my era, you know what I mean? So obviously people wanted that when they were going up, and I wanted that shit and I didn't have it. So, you know, obviously that led me to a life of crime. That led me being locked up at 11 years old. So... Definitely. Well, Pino, it was a good time having you on the podcast.

I appreciate it. Absolutely, a lot of good insight, man. Anytime, man. And hopefully we can, well, I don't know if there's any chance of us squashing any beef for you, but hopefully we can at least push it towards a legal way of expressing it. All they got to do is throw the hands up, bro. I mean, at the end of the day, if you were banging a gang or you are a part of movement in prison, you're going to have to use them hands before anything.

It ain't like you're just going to pick up a knife and say, this is what I'm on. No, you're going to have to use them hands before. anything. And I'm a firm believer that you don't have to use them hands before anything. If more people fell in line with that, then society as a whole would be a lot better off. Right. And we're going to fight and we're going to shake hands afterward. And if you want to continue to talk shit, then we'll continue to fight. Sure.

Until you're done. It's just that simple until you had enough lumps on your forehead. Yeah. I respect it. Pino. Thank you for coming on, man. Appreciate you. For sure, man. Pino, no jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. Check us on YouTube. SoundCloud, iTunes, like, comment, subscribe, nojumper.com if you want to support. Coolest podcast in the world. Appreciate y'all.