No Jumper - The Rio Da Yung OG & RMC Mike Interview

Episode Date: November 23, 2020

Rio Da Yung OG and RMC Mike sat down with Adam for an exclusive interview, dissecting their journey to success! From their early family ties, legal troubles and rise to fame! https://www.instagram.com/riodayung0g/ https://www.instagram.com/rmc__mike/ ----- FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFICIAL http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast of the world. And today we got Rio the young OG smoking a black and mild and arm C. Mike. How are you guys doing? Mike, how you doing? He's great. Yeah, I'm excited. We were just going to have Rio on. Then I'm looking at Desto Dub's Instagram story.

I see Mike and I'm like, oh, I hope he pulls up with him. We can get them both on together. Yeah. Really talk some shit. Yeah. The best way. Original shit talkers. Right.

We the wild factors. Yeah. Okay. So I'm going to start with Rio and then we're going to loop Mike in and figure out how you guys all came together and everything. But Rio, tell me about your early life. Where were you born exactly and what was the come up like? I was born in Flint, Michigan. Well, all you that don't know, a lot of my fans think I'm from Detroit, I'm not, though.

It's only like an hour away, right? Yeah, it's an hour away. It's the same thing, for real, but you got to know the difference, you feel, you know. Like, I'm from Flint, but I love Detroit, you know what I'm saying? I was born and raised in Flint, though. honestly I never went out of town for real probably till I got

grown grown I went out of town a couple of times on some quick shit but I never really been out of Flint so all this shit was new to me for real so you're really like a product of Flint but see like now the whole Michigan there's like a lot of fucking artists coming out as you hear people making that

distinction of like oh there's Detroit rap and then there's Flint rap and like even though they're only an hour apart as a very It seems like there's so many people popping off out of it. There's almost two distinct sounds. Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day, it's a Michigan thing, so. But it still is Detroit and Flint, you know what I'm saying?

Like, because Detroit style of rap was kind of different from ours. Like, it was more flashy and Cartier's and all that shit. We didn't, we was more struggle rap. Like, our biggest rappers before us from Flint was from, Like, I still see them in the hood today. Like, you know what I'm saying? Any names we recognize, or are they most of the dudes? Well, the dating family for the movie.

MC Breed. They was all, like, my mama hung with all of them. The dating family. My granny stayed on dating all their life, you know what I'm saying? So it was more like, like, they was kind of close, but that was what we had on the music side. They was the biggest people out of Flint. And they really was still.

Like Flint. They weren't really, they ain't get big, big, but they was big, you know what I'm saying? Right. To this day, they still in Flint. But when, all right, so your come up though, were you thinking about rap first or were you in the streets before you even considered the rapping thing? Streets. Honestly, the rap was just a joke to us. Like, we used to rap. We always like freestyle around, playing around. But once we start, I say once we got introduced to Pro Tools, and we was like, we was chilling at my man's at a little E, he right with his two, Grin'HR E. Right.

We was chilling at this house just on some chill shit and somebody walked in with a studio for sale, like $400, everything, so we bought the shit. We didn't know how to work, and we ain't had no engineer nothing, but just on some high shit, we planned. We'd have figured out how to record ourselves. Like, if you go back, because a lot of our old songs on you,

YouTube, you know what I'm saying? Like I say from like 2017, 16, it sound horrible. Like, we ain't know nothing about mixing sons, none of that. We were just, we really was doing it for us, you feel me, like, just so we could listen to it in the car and let our boys hear. It wasn't really know, oh, we rap, you know what I'm saying? It was really just a joke for real, like we were going there. But you guys were friends before you even started thinking about rap? Yeah. What age did you guys come together? I want to say probably like 19. Ninth grade in high school, freshman year high school.

Okay. But it's crazy, though, because it's like I always used to see him. Like, we grew up in the same hood. So it was like, we was all. My, my child, my brother basically, that, because I ain't have a lot of friends when I was growing up, so my brother,

he really my cousin when we was like brothers. He got killed when we was 18. But Mike, Mike was close to him. Before, I knew Mike, you feel me. Like, when my brother died on his obituary, Mike was on the back, like on a picture with him. I'm like, damn, you know, bro.

He's like, that was my baby. So that even put us even closer, you feel you, because he was close to somebody I loved. So I'm like. Yeah, because I always get the vibe in your shit that you consider Mike to be kind of like a person who is essential to you getting where you're at in terms of rap right now.

And it almost seems like you, as you've been blown up, you make it very clear in your lyrics like, nah, like Mike is with me. Like even if y'all ain't listening to Mike yet, he's with me. Like he's the best rapper. Yeah. Honestly, bro, like, if you see how we record, it's been like this since the beginning. Like, we're going to booth, I feel like Mike going harder than me. But he'd be like, hell no, bitch, what you just said.

And it always been like that. Like we damn near being. We motivate each other. We motivated each other. Like I always feel like he's going harder than me on a song, but he'd be like, no, I don't know, you feel me. When that shit, it's like it went together so good. Because honestly, first, I was rapping with Lil E.

Like, we did a, we was doing a lot of music. Like, Mike was working a lot, so he weren't really had time for the studio, but he always knew how to rap. But we being Mike started doing some, as long as it's just like, because honestly, leaving a little ear to tell you, nobody could keep up with me when we was rapping. Mike came along and fucked everybody here it

was they like, damn, like, he was coming back and like to the point I had to come harder. Like, so that shit just was, it was supposed to be like that. But how would you describe the style? Because there's something like very specific and unique about it where it's like very extremely specific stories about, you know, shit that really happened to you in the streets. Plus, like, I feel like you guys are both basically, like, part-time stand-up comics

because, like, there's such a degree of humor in what you guys are doing that it's like, that has to be part of what you guys are competing on when you're in the booth together. The crazy part is, see, with me, you have to meet my daddy to know this shit and my brother. Louis Ray, my blood brother. My daddy is the funniest motherfucker in the world. But he's never trying to be funny. Like, he's seriously.

Like, he's not trying to make you laugh. It's just the personality guy is just, it's crazy, man. Like, if you met him, you'll understand my style of rap because it's really, like, I'm not trying to be funny. Like, I'm telling you what's going on, you feel me? But if you mean my daddy, you would know, like, it's different. But you guys both will definitely have bars here and there that like are clearly things

that didn't actually happen to you but you know how fucking funny it would be to just throw it in the mix and just fuck with everybody's head right quick. You have somebody like, this is how I look at it like I speak my mind. Like I say you get kicked out of school

and get your ass beat by your mama all kids want to hit their mama back. You know what I'm saying? Like are you a said? Like man I, and it's like no we ain't, like, I ain't fought my mama, but it's a thought. Like, everybody didn't thought about crazy shit like that.

So you can kind of, like, live through things you might have thought. Like, I'll kill this bitch. Like, you know what I'm saying? It just really be, I feel, like, we just speak our mind, you know what I'm saying. I call it blunt rap. Yeah. Blunt rap? In the sense that it's blunt.

Yeah, I just feel like a lot of people think of the shit we say. Yeah, you just don't see it. They just be afraid to say it. Or they hope. Oh, back or... Like, my whole breakup was how I feel when I dropped that ghetto boy intro with Peezy on the front.

Everybody, the main body, everybody was tripping over was... He said his mama smoked crack, and I'm like... She did in the past. You know, she don't no more, but, like, it ain't really nothing to hide. Like, it's a million kids out here

who parents did drugs. But that's one thing I think when I listen to you guys is that has there ever been a lyric that you said in the... the booth and then you decided it might not be a good idea afterwards never never never i ain't second guess and i ain't on my tongue for shit definitely i ain't gonna lie like 70% of that shit be true for real like we really live the fuck it up life but like it's entertainment too so you know what i'm saying

man if you say a few things that aren't true then it kind of opens the door for you to say shit that you really did that sounds crazy as fuck but they don't really know where the truth ends right They don't got to judge you off it because they really don't know, but a lot of that shit be real. Right. So you guys have been around Louis Ray and Y and J and everything. Like this whole... Louis Ray, my blood, brother. Right.

We got the same daddy. But so you guys have been... He was rapping before you? Honestly, Louis was the main factor in Flint. Right. Because after the Dayton family died out, like in the early 2000s, we didn't have no rappers. Like, no nobody really making no noise for real. It was a few people rapping.

Like, we got a, it's a guy named John Connor. He signed to Dr. Drake. Dr. Dr. Years ago. But he started as a rapper. Now he was engineer. I don't know. I never seen him.

They said he just put out an album too, I heard. Probably. I was reading an article, but you guys in the Flint times or something. I never seen him in Flint, so I kind of pushed him out of the Flint scene. Like, he's from Flint, but when he moved away in, like, that ain't nobody you will really see her. Honestly, you don't hear his music for real in the streets. It's just crazy to find out about, like, I started listening to Rio and then I found about Mike, and I guess I already knew about Jay and, like, Louis Ray and all these guys. And I'm just like, this is very rare that you find a whole bunch of new rappers coming up, have a different sound.

There's like a unique thread between you guys where there's a similarity, but you all have your own styles. It's not that often that you really find that in rap, and it's very exciting. Right, because honestly, like I said, Louis has been rapping me forward. Louis Ray can actually rap. Like, I don't think I can rap for real. I just know how to speak my mind and talk shit. Louis, because I like, if you go listen to my music, I don't have a lot of hooks.

Like, it's hard for me to, which is the easy part, is to make a song on a subject. Like, said, we make a song about swiping. You gotta talk about swiping in each verse. With us, it's more unorthodox. Like, you might talk about swiping, killing people, stealing, smoking crack, all kind of shit. Louis can make a structure some and really be hard.

Like he can, he melodize all that. But with us rapping together, nobody really rap like each other. Everybody got their own style like Jay. Jay got his own whole different style. Yeah, but- They can scream on the sun again. The thing about Jay too is that people might not know he make real music just like Louis.

Jay really just got in his bad, like, when he got around us. It's interesting that you guys consider your music to be less structure, but I feel like that that's a big part of the appeal. A lot of people like the fact that you guys just go in for two minutes and that it's not attempting to throw some hook on it or whatever. That's what I said. Like, I don't have any hit songs for real. I don't have no big song.

My biggest song is legendary. And it's really not a song that you should be able to recite word for word, because there's nothing catchy or there's nothing that's being repeated. But do you see why that song is so popular or like movie to me is one of my fair ones too? Yeah, movie is another big. Like there's a certain energy,

like the fact that the fucking bars are so consistently hilarious. And something about that beat too. Yeah, that movie beat. Do you consider energy to be like the fucking almost like a pioneer of the sound in a way? Because there's that upbeat tempo, the crazy-ass drums. There's nowhere around it. When he was first sending us beats, we really didn't like it.

Like, it's too much bass. Like, it's just too crazy. Then once it's set on me, I'm like, this us. Like, you feel me? Like, so it only made sense, for real. Like, energy, a big factor of the shit talking, though. So do you feel like, because I feel like Y and J and Louis Ray and them,

they sort of saw what you guys were doing stylistically, and they sort of shaped their style a little bit away from, like, more structured type of songs to go in a different direction? What it was is, basically we told them because like they, this go back, they was like real artists,

like they was real serious about this shit. Like us, we weren't never really serious about it. We were just having fun with it. So basically what we told you, like have fun with this shit. Like they want to, like when I drop my first. They want to perfect everything.

You know what I'm saying they want to be perfect. We just telling them, though, like just loosen up. As soon as they loosen up, they made Cucci son. Look what happened. Wow, that's crazy. Yeah. Just loosen up. Have fun with it, bro.

That is wild. They drop coochie and... When I made my first two tapes on Tether, Jay was right there, like literally. He didn't get on one song, though. Like, we'd be rapping for 20 hours straight. He never had on the song. He let me hear some shit.

It was a song called Walk In. It was a real song, and I'm like, I'm like, he talented, you feel me? But I honestly was like, we can't, he can't, all right, his style not mixing with our... you feel me so and louie always been like a real son so when i like because when i came in shit was going so fast and louis didn't understand it he like man i've been rapping all i don't put all this money behind this shit he like what am i not doing and i'm like honestly you just got to

have fun with it because personality is everything like you you make up for the fact that you don't consider yourself like this super talented lyricist with the personality and the energy and the humor Yeah. It's like, it's just, it's in the world we're in now. Like, it's not, like, Jay-Z is always going to be the greatest all the times. Nobody listen to Jay-Z right now because he's too serious. Like, the older people do, but they're serious. Like, we want to have some humor sometimes, or we want to hear how somebody really feel instead of just doing what you spoke, got to do. Like, I mean, it's crazy because when I think about when I was 16, 17, 18, listening in Jay-Z, it's like, we really thought he was hilarious like but in such a different way like humor has changed so much in like 20

years of rap that we thought j z was funny but his type of humor was like very much like understated whereas with you guys it's just straight up like you'll make a motherfucker laugh their ass off by just telling him something that like okay when you had the bar about uh almost dying cooking up uh hitting the dog with the fentanyl with no mask on which i mean i've never fucking cooked heroin so i don't actually know but i've like read about that being like a risk for people I don't know that that actually happened to you, but when you said that, I just fucking died laughing. No, it never happened.

No, you know what I'm saying? I never sold drugs. I don't know what fit nor look like. None of that. Right. But you can die mixing it. You got a great imagination for sure. Yeah, yeah.

Never sold drugs. Okay. Mike, what made you decide that you wanted to start rapping? And was part of it always that you have the fucking craziest voice ever? No, because honestly, I could play a clip probably for like three, four years ago. I did not sound like this. I don't know where the fuck this voice came from.

You think I might have something to do with the backwards? Maybe. Or cigarettes. I smoke cigarettes. It could be. I have no clue. But I've always been around rap like all my life. You know what I'm saying?

Growing up, my mom's my favorite artist was mystical. So think about it. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He was one of the most groundbreaking rappers at that time. His shit didn't sound like music to a lot. lot of people. Yeah.

But I was always around it, like some of my close friends was like, I had one of the, my, my nigga Pistall. He like, co. But he was like, he freestyled like, he's more like of a battle rapper. Like, do you watch Better Rap? I have watched a lot of power. So you know who Kay Shine is. Oh yeah, yeah.

This who, that's who Pistel remind me of Kay Shy, he aggressive. He just, you know what I'm saying? We used to always have battle people. So I've been around him all my life, so he's fucking around with him. Then my brother Benji, that's where this RMC shit came from. Okay. This is not for me. This is my brother's shit.

He got locked up. Free Benji. 22 years. I told him I was going to hold it down. Right. That's where I came from. I started rapping with him first. But you'll never get rid of the RMC.

No, hell no. This shit's tatted on my skin. Respect. And another thing, a lot of people, I'm not RMC. Right. I'm Mike brother, you know what I'm saying? I fuck with Benji. all them, but I never was associated with a group.

Right. I feel like that's why we kind of got fired too, because you couldn't really put us in a category with people. Do you, could you guys have seen yourselves becoming battle rappers? Because with how funny you guys are and how creative you are, as soon as you said that and saying, like, oh, we made them battle people. To a lot of kids these days, they don't know nothing about anything about that. I couldn't be no battle rapper.

I could see him doing it. I probably could do it, but. I couldn't do it. Like, I couldn't do it, but I couldn't do it, meaning you're not fin to sit here and talk about my mama. I might hit you. Like, that ain't normal to me because I don't understand the whole shit. You're not that much of a rapper. Yeah, like, I couldn't do it.

But I know I can battle somebody and probably whoop their ass in there, but I just, I probably can't take the, what it's called? I can't take the, whatever it's, I just can't, I can't, it's like arguing to me. He can't, he can't take what he did, show. Like, had we ever argued? Hell no. Like, I just don't argue. That's funny. I can't see myself arguing with nobody.

You said that he can't take what he dish out, but that's actually like a theme in Rio's music is that his standards for himself are different than his standards for other people. I mean, like, I cheat a lot. But if you cheat, you, bye. Yeah. I appreciate that. Yeah. It's very honest. Yeah, you got, that's just how it is.

And my girl would be getting mad when I'd be repeating those lyrics and stuff, because it's like the worst things you can think of. Imagine when my girl go through the motherfuckers call her, did he really beat your ass? Did you do this? Like the shit's so funny, man. Right. It's like, I'm not into domestic violence. Right.

You know what makes you want to say shit like that in a song that you know that people are gonna get fucking mad when they get that? Because I know a lot of people who beat the shit out of their girl. I know they're going to like this shit because they do it, you know what I'm saying? I know, isn't that crazy when you realize that a dude you know is like just out there just beating on his girl?

It's like hard to imagine, right? It's not nothing to good, but honestly, I didn't punch the bitch in the head a couple times, and that's only because I know a lot of niggas who got killed by females. So I'd be like, a bitch can hurt you, you know what I'm saying? I know a bitch bigger than me that probably would knock me out.

Yeah. So if we get into it, I might have to punch her. That's one good thing about having women's UFC is that we all now know that there's a lot of girls that could probably fuck us up. Because people make it so bad, like, of course we men, they women, but it's some women out here that's stronger than men. Right. It's women who stab men in their sleep. Wow. Really?

Yeah, I know a couple people got stabbed in they sleep. I cannot say that. I was arguing with they bitch and got stabbed. I feel like if a girl is capable of stabbing you in your sleep, then the whole rule about not him. And girls goes out the window. That's my point. Like me growing up, I seen my uncle, I ain't going to get too much. My uncle, baby mama, like, he cheated on her.

She put acid in a bowl and threw it on them and fucked his whole. He almost died. Holy shit. So from that, really, when me seeing that when I was young, it made me hate females. I'm like, I would beat the shit out of bitch. Uh-huh. Like, I can just can't, like, because they can hurt you, you know what I'm saying? And nowadays around where we at,

All the females buying guns now. You will get into a shootout with a bitch. Sure. And they will shoot that bitch. I'm not going to flint. It's like that. It's a fish off. Sometimes you got to beat the bitch.

It's crazy, though, because my mama, my mama told me if a woman raise her hand to you, she feel like you less of a man. Yeah. And it's coming from a woman. So it down there fuck me up. Right.

You know what I'm like? Like, damn, for real, she hell yeah. But not letting no bitch put their hands on you. Right. All right. Took me and ran away. Shit, if a nigga hit you what you're going to do, hit them back.

Definitely. Bitch, put your hands on me. I got to beat you. I got to beat you bad, too. You can't do that again. You're making me thankful. I'm in a relationship that we haven't ever laid hands on each other. I think that, like, especially now that you're getting money

and you guys are getting famous and stuff, probably just don't even be fucking with. girls if you think there's any chance that she's going to hit you or especially throw acid on you in your sleep exactly is that uh so i've heard you attribute the scar on your face to a fry cooker and to a gunshot wound in a song but i couldn't really tell which one you were serious about a gunshot wound oh so that is what happened no i didn't try to figure out what bar you come up i thought you said that that it was uh shit i thought you you you chocked it oh yeah you said like gunshot wounds but people think it's acne or something no you were probably talking about somebody else

Yeah, that was probably something else. I did an interview with Landau like a year back and told the story on my face. It was like, I was like 12. Smoking weed, one supposed to be smoking weed, first of all. My mom was, my mom used to club hop a lot, you know what I'm saying? So she'd come home at like six in the morning and be sleep all day. One day I'm chilling with my friend, we smoking. I was actually 12 because it was the day before my birthday,

feeling to be 13. I'm smoking. I ain't got high as hell. I'm like, man, I'm hungry. So me watching my cousin, she used to cook fries, but she, like, you got to let the grease get hot first, then drop the fries. So I cut the stove on high, put the grease on there,

go back in my room and smoke. And totally forgot about it. Yeah. So the fire line went off. Now I'm trying to hurry up before my mama wake up because I'm damn there for the burn house down. I run in there. It's the pot of fries on fire.

I mind you, I'm 12, so I don't really... I see fire. All I think is water. Right. I grab a pot. Like, I'm trying to ease my way to the sink. I cut the water around and fucking put the pot of grease under the water. And the shit just went everywhere.

Like hit me in the face. My whole right side of my face, my neck. And this was the hand I was holding it with. So it hit this whole arm. It just got a little bit on this hand. But I'm thinking I'm straight. I'm like, it's just grease because it didn't burn when it hit me.

I'm like, I'm just greasy. And when I got to wiping my skin, that shit was like peeling. Oh, shit. Then he got to burn it. I had to go wake my mom up. I'm like, man, I don't know. What the fuck happened?

She kept, she screamed. Like, what happened? I don't want to tell her. I just kept saying, I don't know. I'm like, I weigh some grease on me. She's like, what kind of grease? I'm like, the pot court on fire. She's like, oh, hell, go get in the shower.

Made it worse. I go get in the shower. Now that shit, it feels like my skin is boiling off my body. So now I'm hysterical. The hospital, like, five minutes from where we at, she fly me to the hospital. I'm hanging out the window trying to get air. I'm like, I'm going to die my.

She's like, no. I'm like, I felt like I was gonna die, you know what I'm saying? So I go to the hospital. They put me to sleep. I wake up. I don't know what's really going on, you feel, me. All my family there, my face feel heavy as hell. So about two days, I didn't, I couldn't get up.

I was just in the bed. So I finally had to pee. No, I figured out my face was fucked up. My little cousin, she was probably like, nine or eight. My whole family came to see me because I was supposed to have a party that day. But it was before my birthday, so they go, I came.

When they brought my little cousin in the room, she just bust out screaming like, like a monster. Like, she was scared. I'm like, what the fuck? So they like, don't go. Like the doctor kept telling me, if I had to go to the bathroom, don't look in the mirror. Just me, them saying that I had to,

I'm like, let me go, look in the mirror. My fucking face was like, this big over here or black like in a shirt. I went in. I just cried myself to sleep. I sat back down. I probably didn't get up for it, three, four days to be used the bathroom.

And then I was literally lost. I'm thinking this I'm gonna look for the rest of my life. Like, this whole side was big and black. My arm, the same way. I'm just like, I'm damn there ready to give up. I'm like, this shit, hell not. So they're just telling me like, I eventually get my color back all that,

which was the worst shit ever. Like, this shit, this shit 10 times worst thing in the shop, like the cleaning process. Wow. They used to have to scrub this shit off. So I was in the hospital for like three weeks, came home. Now my whole iron pink, my whole face pink neck is pink.

But it almost was a third degree right here. So it kind of like They was telling me I might have to get a skin graft But I didn't want to do that I'm like I just live with it You feel me Most kids probably wouldn't have did it I come home

Wrapped up now A day I got to change rap I can't be in the son like that My mama like you don't got to go to school I still wanted to go to school She's like people gonna talk about you all that I didn't care Like

I never It never hurt me Like, I went to school. People used to talk about me, but I didn't care. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, I'll be straight. I fuck around there. They told me that.

This hand was probably going to be the only one that come all the way back, which is still kind of, you can see it, but it ain't bad. But this hand was second degree, I think. With the way you just described how bad it was on your face, it's actually amazing that it's only a couple little bumps over here. That's what I be telling people, like, I appreciate this. You know what I'm saying? Because if you were to see me then, it'll be way different.

Like, people DM you all day, get that shit off your face, though. I'm not a dirty person. Like, you know what I'm saying? If you look, notice this side of my face is clear. Right. This is a scar. It's not bumps. It's not acne, you know what I'm saying?

It's a scar. These is blisters, like, it's three big blisters. And if you notice, it's like a little darker over here, if you can see it. But it's not acne at all, you know what I'm saying. Right. I got it still I don't care about the shit to this day you would never get it fixed because it's like no kind of your singing just thing at this point yeah it's me right I mean that's one thing that's how a lot of people know me somebody to see you one time and even if your music wasn't good it's like they would remember you from that I'd have people like since this corona shit they're tripping on they're like that ain't him and let me see your face pull my mask down like it's him right you know what I'm saying like they'd see the chain and they'd still be like that ain't him I pull my mask down like it's him right you know what I'm saying like they'd see the chain and they'd be like that ain't him I pull my mask Don, like, yeah, it's him.

Like, I, and my pussy didn't drop. I really got more pussy when I was young, because I feel like bitches was feeling sorry for me. Do you feel like it made you tougher and funnier and able to handle your shit more? Because, like, you don't seem like the kind of person that would ever

let you say anything about you now at this point. Like, it really made my character for real, because it showed me how strong I was mentally. I never been into a fistfight in my life. Really? Right. No, I did get in one fight, but I provoked it. There was some kid's shit, but nothing you can say.

Honestly, nobody, when we was kids, people used to talk about me, but since I got older, nobody ever really, you feel me. Like, they said it on the internet all them, but, like, nobody ever really disrespected me in my face. So it would be like, I don't care, like, because this is a part of me. Like, it's nothing you can tell me to make me feel bad or feel like I'm ugly. I still feel like I'm cute.

You know what I'm saying? I mean, hey, I respect that, man. It's just like a confidence. To me, it was a confidence builder. Like, it showed me how strong I was mentally. Right. Nobody ever made me mad about it. Like, I never was mad.

Like, oh, they're talking about my family. I'm going to get the shit fixed. Never. You guys ever have day jobs? Hell yeah. Let's hear about it. I don't lie. Mike was the reason I got my first job.

I stay working. Because Mike came from a working family Okay Yeah, I came from On my daddy side Was the working side My mama's side Was the side in the streets

Okay But shit Selling dope and shit Weren't working out from me So That's not easy huh It wasn't I kept falling off

Selling weed Kept falling up It just wasn't for me Robbing people stealing shit Stealing shit Breaking houses That's how I used to survive Bro. I was a B&E artist

Wow For years? For years. For me and Mike met, like, it was just, at first, like, I just distanced myself. He used to steal TVs. And I used to be like, man, I don't know. I like this guy, but I don't want to lose my TV. Yeah, I'm like, but we got closer and closer, and I realized, you feel me, it wasn't.

He's not going to take my TV. Yeah. But this was the real, Mike was the reason I ever wanted a job, honestly, because my daddy wasn't in my life. My mama worked her, worked her out. But that made me not on a job because I'm like, she working every day. How the fuck is we still late on bills? How the fuck can I still not get shit I asked for? I'm like, even as a kid I used to be like, I don't feel like a job is enough.

I was so intelligent. I added my mom a whole paycheck for the year. And I'd be like, at the end of the year, you're making this. You're making a set amount of money. You're not even going to see all that money, though. You would never in your life be able to buy a fucking Lamborghini. Right. It just don't work like that.

So that made you always want to get creative? It made me just, honestly, I just always wanted more. Like, I didn't did everything from stealing, robbing people, selling drugs, working jobs. I don't work jobs. I probably never had a job for more than two months, though. Because after so long, it'd be like, this shit still ain't. going nowhere. I always knew though, like some, like, it's like just with me having my mindset I had,

I'm like, I don't know how, but I'm gonna be a millionaire one day because I just couldn't settle for, you know what I'm saying? I know how, because we used to talk about it a lot. Uh-huh. A lot. About how you're gonna get to that point? We didn't know how, but we just knew it was gonna happen. We never start rap, though, honestly.

We were thinking about robbing people for a lot of money, trying to find the best way to embezzle with bank. We was thinking just, like we used to smoke a lot of weed and just think about how can we get rich. Right. Never thought it'd be from rapping, man. Did you even know how much of money you could make as a rapper? No. Like I said, we never seen it hands on. We seen the entertainment side and you hear so much you really don't know. Right. It's like unapproachable when you don't know anybody in the business, but then you meet somebody's in the business and it's kind of understandable. I met Peezy. That was my, he showed me a $20,000 check. Probably the first day I met him.

From like a streaming service type check, yeah. Then I rode with him. He picked up like $10,000 for shows. Like, he's like, this ain't even all the money. I got to get the other part when I go to the, you, I watch this. So the verse for $7,000. He like, I just made $50,000, honestly, today. You're, that made me right there.

Like, this shit, seriously. You know what I'm saying? Because from my perspective, rap was like, I used to feel like it was just a show. Like, I used to think, like, that ain't really that rich. They're not really making that much money. When Peasy showed me, that shit has showed me, like, this, damn, when he told me how much he liked in my music, I'm like, I damn there, got to do it, because Peasy was somebody that we, like, Team Eastside was serious to us when we was growing up. Like, I thought these, this was the, you feel me?

Because I had never watched his interviews or really, like, listen to him that much before I started listening to you guys. And then I went back to see, like, what you were kind of influenced by and shit around that time that you first started fucking with him. I was like, this guy's incredible. So how long could we expect him to stay locked up? I mean, obviously. It'd be out top of the year. Top of the year, yeah. That's crazy.

We got to get him on. Yeah, and he'd a fucking go. But who met Pizzi first? Me. Oh, so you met him first. Louis made him first, honestly. But, all right, it's this guy from Flint named Katie. He's been rapping for a long time, too.

He always was tied in with the Detroit rappers, like not on the music till we'd go down here, drink, lean, whatever. I did a son with Katie called Indictment Talk. So, Katie and my brother that's locked up right now, this is who I was with every day with Peasy. It was me, Peezy and my brother. So we did the song, me and KD. And KD had already knew Peasy he had sons with him all that.

So they go down there, chilling. KD. let him hear the song really just letting him hear his part. Like, listen to this song. Peasy, like, cut the song off. Like, who is the nigga rapping after you? My brother, like, that's my little bro. Woo-woo. Yo, I want to meet the nigga.

They called me with Peasy on the phone. They like, man, Peezy fucking with you. He said he wanted to woo-woo. I'm like, it blew my mind. I'm like, team, he's like, I'm like, what? So I still really wasn't, I'm like, he probably just liked my music. It got to the point he was calling every day when they go down there like, man, bring the nigga down here.

But at the time, I was working, and I had just got my own little crib. I got a son. So I'm like, I want to go down there, but I really don't got time because I still got to make ends me at home. I can't be in the studio for 12 hours and come home. Like, I ain't got no money, but I did a hard-ass son. So I'm like, we had figured out. So one day, because me and Louis, I was like,

Louis had been rapping, but I was on a couple of CDs, but he ain't used to press me for real because he knew I didn't care about a rap. So I think he posted a song we did because Louis knew Peezy too. He had did a song with him back then. Peasy wrote him like, you know Rio? Louis, like, that's my real brother.

He's like, bring the nigga down here tonight. Like, I want to rap with him. So Louis called me, and now with Louis being a rapper, he know a little more. So he's like, bro, I think you should do it. He's like, shit, this might be a big look. So I'm like, fuck it. I caught off work.

I'm like, let's go see what's going on. We go down there. So we find a beat Peasy like, the beat we have. The beat we had, he like, no, he's like, I got a beat I bought from a nigga. So we like, shit, we'll pay you for the beat, whoo-woo. In my head, I'm still thinking, like, we don't have to pay him for the feature, you know what I'm saying? So we do the sum.

I go first. I went in this one. I was in my free, like, tripping. I go in the studio, come out two minutes. Then my verse. I hear him out there scream like, man, this nigg is so hard. So when I come out the booth, he's like, man, we're gonna make a million songs together. So Louie, like, what we owe you?

Y'all, nigga, y'all don't got to give me shit. Y'all, y'all don't got to pay for nothing, bro. You all, you all, just rap. So from thereon, I'm like, fuck it, let's get it. We end up doing that son. We came down there to do the video. Peasy, like, get in the car with me. I'm like, what?

I hop in the car with him by myself. my brother and them follow us. He took me to his street where he grew up at, bagged in his granny driveway, and gave me one of the realest talks ever. Yeah, it sounds like he did you this huge service by putting you on so much game

and really showing you what the shit was, what was possible. He asked my brother and I'm like, because they came down there. We bought five cars deep. They got on jury, all that. He's like, all niggas ain't put no money behind this,

they're like, shit. He ain't, basically I wasn't serious enough. Had you had anybody really acknowledge your talent like this up till that point? Was he the first person to believe in you like that? No. Especially somebody was at that level. He was the first person, like outside of the family. Right.

All my niggas loved it. But I used to be like, you're probably going to like it because you're all my people. So it ain't never really affect me. But when he told me he loved it, I'm like, I might have some. And he just kept saying it like, if you rap, bro, He told me out of his own mouth. If you keep rapping, I feel like you'll be bigger than me, bro. You don't know how unique this shit is.

So now we locked in. He didn't show me anything. He's telling me what to do. I'm like, shit, listen to this son. Me and my nigga Mike did. Luce in Nightmare, I play that for him. I swear for God, we listened to that song for an hour. And every time he played it back, he laughed.

Laugh to get harder. Every nigga pull up. He's like, hey, come here, you all listen to these niggas, dog. Everybody he letting hear it like tripping. Like, what the fuck wrong with you? I'm like, that's Mike. You all right, man. I damn their press mic on piece.

I'm like, this is what I, you feel, I'm more comfortable rapping with. So once he's seen how unique this shit was, he just used to tell me, like, rap. That's all he used to say is rap. I fuck around and catch a case, a pistol case. Get out, PFI. My brother had just got locked up. It was just me, Peezy, and my brother for months.

He'd get locked up. Peasy fighting in his case. He'd fin and go in. He's getting closer to his sentence date. So when I get out, he's like, he called me. He's like, bro, I need you to rap. He's like, I'm fin to go to prison. bro in prison you can't get indicted too you are then you feel me

I'm like hell no I ain't gonna get indicted I'm gonna rap fuck it at this point I'm all in now so I'm telling my girl I'm gonna go to Detroit for days and rap I fuck around and get indicted two weeks later

wow now I'm like fuck peasy mad as hell you like I told you bro you got indicted for what this time around conspiracy Okay. Phone tap. Wow. So they're on you.

So I'm like, now I'm back discouraged, you feel me. I go to, they grab me. First case, all that. The officer that arrested me telling me, like, don't worry about you.

You'll be home before I get off work. I see people do this all the time. You're going to get a bond. So I'm like, cool. I fuck around and didn't get a bond. So when I go to court, they bring up a music. video in court. Oh shit. I'm like man. Now I'm like fuck rap. What were they pointing to

specifically lyrics like shit you said you were doing? And then it was a video where we killed a federal agent supposedly right but it was obviously fake. Had you even thought about the fact that this might never be a thing it was really the cameraman idea like they felt like I was taunting them right never knew I was being investigated so that just threw me all the way off I'm like I'm not rapping. Because my lawyer tells me, like, you really incriminating yourself trying to rap. So I'm in jail.

I was locked up for like 20 days before I got a bond. I'm in jail. I'm calling home. I'm telling the cameraman, take all the videos down. Fuck the shit. He's like, you sure are all this shit talking video? We just dropped damn there at 60,000 views. And back then, in Flint, that shit was serious.

Like 10,000 views were serious. I'm like, how? I'm calling other people like, did he buy the views? They like everybody around this bitch talking about you. But when I walked in a federal holding county, I swear for God, bro. I walked in this bitch, everybody in the cell that was in the pile looked at me.

I'm thinking I'm going to have to fight. And you don't even have been locked up for a few weeks? No, it's the first day. But you don't, oh, okay. It's the first day I go in. Right. I'm wondering why everybody's looking at me. Like, I'm thinking it's a problem.

A nigga walk up on me. Like, you real? Why the fuck you know me? He's not even from Flint or Detroit. You all, man, you hard as hell, you rap with Peezy. I'm like, damn, niggas know me. So after that I caught home. I'm still like, fuck the rap.

They're like, yo video is going crazy. Right. They're like, you on Instagram going crazy. I had just made an Instagram last year around this time probably. Or probably a few months. Like, it was in last year. year. So, I'm like, man.

You didn't have an Instagram at all before that? I meant Pizzi, I didn't have an Instagram. He made us, make an Instagram. He made us. He like, you got, this damn their viral for your career. You have a Facebook? Anything you just, never had a Facebook. You weren't interested in being on social media, just trying to, you were just trying to be low-key? Not even low-key, I just, I just, I stayed to myself.

I feel like that shit was just, right? Facebook is just other people. Oh, that nigga just some music, yeah, man. He used YouTube. A lot, a lot, a lot. Like, I never had. Facebook, Snapchat, none of that shit. Okay.

So, nigga. When he told me to make it, I made it because he like, this is what you need to do. So I fuck around in. Come home. Motherfuckers calling me for features or this shit, first day home. I'm like, this shit big. Right. So my cousin, I think he ain't here.

My cousin, he put me, he like, he knows the business side a little bit more, you know what I'm saying? Right. He's like, I feel like you should drop a CD. He on Apple Music. I'm like, how? He's like, I know what to do. He's all, you got some songs, he on phone? I mind you, none of these songs are mixed.

None of that. I sent him seven sons, like, let's pursue what happened. You're like, don't expect no money, though. You know, you may get paid, but don't expect nothing. You like, just keep doing what you're doing. You're like, and they take 90 days to pay. So now I'm back discouraged. I'm not gonna wait 90 days to see what happened.

I gotta get some money now. Right. I got a case now. I need a lawyer. I fuck around and dropped the CD. No kid you, bro. 21 days later, I never forget because I dropped my CD on April 9th. April 30th, he called me like, you just got paid.

I'm like, huh? I'd never seen them pay out this quick. How much money is it? You're like, 16 in it. I'm like, what? I'm like, it's real money? You're like, yeah. I'm like, go get it.

He'd go to the bank, pull it out. He showed me. me or what I got paid, he ain't wanting nothing for him or nothing. He's like, this you. Right. I'm like, now I'm thinking it's a one-time payment, so I'm like shit, well if I drop another CD or I get another one of them,

you all go for it. I dropped another CD two weeks later. Now, in these probably four, five weeks, I didn't probably did 10 features. Like, niggas, damn, I'm telling, whatever I tell them, they pay in it.

I'm like, shit. He like, you think I should fuck with Mike? Because Mike heard, I'm like, hell yeah, that's my brother. Go put this shit out too. He's like, I think y'all should drop a CD. We go, we like, we come up with a CD. We were going to do a house party. Who was going to do house party? Kid and play. Kid and play. Okay. My cousin, well, I really, my cousin is one person that I really got the rap from. A lot of people don't know. Like, he was a good freestyle, but he just didn't care

about it. He like, no a piece he told us like kid and play too simple. You're all hard. He said Gus doing some hell That's funny that that's what you guys think of when it comes to mixtape titles like dumb and dumber Kid or Play. My cousin said

dumb and dumber because he like, you're so fucking funny. You guys got to leave us and butthead. Yeah, we've been said that. He's like, you're all so dumb and funny. You all got to do dumb and dumber. So we do that. Throw that out there. Now shit is going crazy.

And you're starting to realize like, oh, this shit is going to compound on streaming services. Like, just because I had a good month, don't mean that I'm not going to get that next month. It was doubling. The next one I got like 35 in it. Next month I got like 5,000. Then I started making little odds here and near all features. I looked up, I had $10,000.

I'm like, this is crazy. So when you said I made my first 10,000 off features and quit trapping or whatever, was that basically really how it went? Basically really how it went? Honestly, when I got out on bond, I was, like, kind of lost. I'm like, I don't want to sell drugs because I'm fighting a drug case. And having your phone tap must have scared the shit out of you and made you realize, like, wow, I'm being looked at in a totally different light. And you're getting more famous by the day.

By the day. So the cops are going to be paying more. When I went to fucking court, because when I got out, the press was on, they like, you got a rap. I drop a video, not thinking nothing of it. My lawyer called me, because I had to go find a job too. So I'm at work. My lawyer called me like, hey, your bond is fitting to be took. Like, you got to go to court.

We got a court date. I'm like, for what? She's like, did you just drop a music video? I'm like, yeah. She's like, I don't think that was a good idea. So now I'm pissed off. I'm like, man, I'm back like, fuck this rap shit, dog. I go to court for this shit.

they telling me I threatened a witness first like no that's not what I said they're making it what I said but I didn't say this so they're like oh well you're you're in a you're in a driveway you don't supposed to come out the house you're on tether

I'm like I didn't know that I couldn't step in my own driveway I'm like that wasn't a miscommunication to me I'm thinking I just can't leave home so they fuck around they like it's 50 to Because that video, I dropped the video called fucking around.

It did 50,000 views in three days, man. Right. This was so big back then in Flint. So I'm like, I got a rap when I go to court for that. The day my lawyer called me, I took the video down. When I took it down, it had like 55,000 views. It was only up for like three days. So they said in court, like, it's almost 100,000 people tuning in to him,

basically telling people don't snitch and all this woo-woo. Right. So they didn't feel like they hated it. They like, no. I'm like, I'm getting paid off it, though. They didn't want to hear that. So I end up not getting my bond to it

because the judge kind of didn't understand the metaphor. So he's like, you really not threatening nobody. But I go to fucking back to work. So I'm like, shit. I'm just not going to upload no. video outside now. I'm not going to say anything harmful. I'm like, I damn

never have to do this because it's making me money. I worked for about a month. I brought home. I had to send my pee on my checkstub every week. I'm making $200 a week. I'm saving all my money, though, because I'm like, I'm going to need a lawyer. I know I am.

So I fuck around and ugh. I fuck around. I tell my P.O. like, I think I should be able to use this as an employment because it's making me money and I'm kind of missing out on a lot of money. So I tell my lawyer, she like, just brings some proof and we'll try. I bring her my distro kid payment for the last two months. It was like $4,800. The judge, like, you made that much money in two months off rapping? I'm like, yeah, my work check. I'm on your work check. I'm on your work. making like 1,200 a month. And I'm not making a whole 12 because I got to do this, taxes, bill.

If you made that much money, I feel like it's a job. Right. So it took off from there. That's crazy, like, that you had so much talent, but that you have to go through these sort of growing pains of not really understanding the game

and exactly what it is, but that you were able to put it together and figure it out. And that's why it's so special to me, because I'm like, 97% of the game, people would have gave up in my shoes. I was on Tether.

They made me go back to my mom house, first of all. I'm sleeping back in my mom house with a kid, my girl there. I'm fighting a case, a bad motherfucker. But I'm still rapping. Like, if you go listen to them back to some of them old CDs, you probably hear my son in the background. I was holding my son feeding them rapping.

I'm like, I just kept, I had that feeling like, this is going to change my life. So I ain't letting nothing slow me down. Like, anybody else would have gave up because I'm getting treated like a kid again from the federal government. I can't leave home at all. I damn near can't make a music video for real without having a problem. I can't meet nobody. I can't do it as a show to nothing.

So, like, most people would it get. gave up. Yeah. It slowed up for me for a minute. Then that shit just started going crazy when they seen

I did over 50 videos in the same house. It'll be days I do four feature videos and I tell a nigga like I just shot a video right in his body like I don't care

we gotta do it. Were you just doing different shit to try to make the house look different? It was I fucking got an refrigerator what it was. You got a refit

inside the refrigerator and Came out. That niggins shot of seeing inside the bathtub. Inside the bath tub. On top of the house. Under the house. In the basement.

On the front porch, backyard, front yard. Utilizing everything. Right. Man, I did more features in that house on Tether than I think anybody ever did. But you're still on papers right now, so you got to get permission to come out here and shit? I ain't on papers. I'm on bond. Right.

So it's kind of a little more stricter. I had to get permission though, but the crazy part where I say it's so unique. I was on Tether for 12 months with no plan of ever getting off. I'm thinking my next step going to be when I go turn myself in, my P.O. requested me to be took off Tether. Really? Because it was, like, he's seen the growth. Like, honestly, when I first got playing on Tether, I didn't have no money, nothing, none of this.

This was in April. In October, I bought a house in Flint. I told him, like, I think it's time for me to move my address because, like, I'm kind of getting more known. And I'm like, and I just need my piece because it's like seven people living at my mama house. It's just too much going on. Right.

He's like, you bought a house. He's like, how? I'm like, from the music, showed him all the shit. he like you really bought a house I'm like yeah went to my house it wasn't even done I had to re-renovate the whole house

I'm sleeping in one room at a time to the next room done but he got to come over there every month and check so he's seen it progressing and I feel like he was like because I'm not a I wasn't a delinquent

like I didn't do anything to make him feel like I was really a bad person and it's so fucked up because this all starts with you just having a gun protect yourself more or less right no I was tied up in some oh well shit where drugs was being sold right right right but I had a gun but it was my gun registered to me okay but with the drugs in a gun okay didn't right I'm saying but at the end of the day I didn't have a criminal record so

the judge never looked at me like this bad kid he like you probably just made a mistake my p.O. called me one day. He was just tired of coming out. Because every time he come out, it'll be my mom and them would probably be smoking weed, which is not illegal. He didn't like it because I was there, but I told him, like, this wasn't my choice to be here, y'all. I made me come here, and I can't tell her what to do in her house. I'm not smoking. He just got tired of dealing with it. So one day, it shocked me, like,

why don't you call your lawyer and ask him to put in a motion and get you took off tether? You all, I tell him, I said, you should, you should be off tether. I tell my lawyer, he's like, no way. He's like, he doesn't ask to get people took off tether. He's like, maybe he said you could get passes. Because my P.O. had went on break.

So he caught down there. They're like, he caught him personally. He like, no, remove the tether. I don't think the prosecutor agreed with it at first, so we had to go to court. That motherfucker called me and said, come down times. Let me cut this tether off. And I ain't looked back since. I probably ain't been home since, for real.

Damn, you've been just grinding? Grinding, like, grinding, man, like, real grinding, man. Like, up for three days straight, rapping, shooting videos, rapping. Like, Mike will tell you, bro, I don't, I don't, me personally, I don't feel like nobody... Ain't anybody, his work basically is unbelievable. Like, even the big-time people, like... And I can literally go in the studio. if I got 20 beats that I like,

I can do 20 songs within three or four hours. If I got enough beats and the engineer moving fast enough. And I still, to this day, I don't feel like I did enough. Like, I still feel like I got to, like, it had been points where I didn't make enough money to chill for real for a while. But I just can't. Like, it's so hard. I feel like I got to do this. I got to do this.

Well, you think it is, you think it's the fact that being broke is still such a fresh memory for you? Yeah, it's fresh. And then on top of that, I'm looking at some prison time, and I got two kids now. I can't just go. That was the main thing that was fucking me up when I got indicted. I'm like, I take the whatever risk was for what I was doing, but I got with my son not going to have nothing. If I go sit down for five years, I'm basically leaving. Even them dry, you feel me?

I feel like it was my obligation to make sure they were straight. If I got to go to prison, there's nothing I can do. So with me being blessed in the situation, I'm like, I got oppressed as hard as I can. You probably never meet nobody that's in the position I am that do as much as I do. Like most people stop doing features with anybody. Like I said, I would do a son with God if you got enough money or what I want.

It had been days. I did a verse for $1,000. I did one for $7,500. I did one for $300 over here. Like, I feel like I treated like the streets. Like, I can't turn down no money. Because at the end of the day, what we doing? Who says you can't, you feel, like, who says?

But do you worry about blowing your shit out and, like, making people tired of you by doing too many songs or doing a song with a whack artist? Because honestly, when I first started rapping, my fans was used to that consistency. So this year, I dropped two tapes this year, I just dropped one. My fans really was kind of mad because they want to hear new music. But I did so many features this year, it kept me relevant from the bigger names to the nobody's and I'm doing sons with nobody's fucking around gaining fans over there.

I feel like that kept me afloat this year, because I didn't drop a lot of solo music this year. Me doing all the features kept me afloat. Then when I came back and hit them, now they're actually happy again because they don't really like the features. They just like my verse. Right.

So I'm like, now if they hit them back with me, now it's back. Like Mike even says sometimes, like, bro, I think, I think, like, it'll be daisy. It'd be like, I can't say. shit. We didn't say it everything. I never felt like that. I'm like, no, bro. I'm like, at this point,

I'm so intelligent. I'm going to say the same thing. Like I said, legendary. They say I talk about the same shit. Well, that's all I know. This is what I know. But what I learned about the art of it, you can say this in a whole different way and make it sound good.

You can say the same thing four times and make it sound good. every time if you say it right. You know what I'm saying? He told me that. Like I had to, like it's never, you can't never tell me there's nothing else to talk about.

There's always going to be something to talk about even if you have to re-rock it and say it a different way. Yeah, because that's what a lot of the best rap lyrics are is like saying something that's incredibly simple but finding a unique or interesting way to put it. Exactly. Like anybody can ABC

rap and make shit rhyme. And there's so many people who do. Yeah. Pull up with a stick. That's where I feel like the art and the telling come in that when you can finesse the words, you know what I'm saying. And that's what's funny is when people say like, oh, all rap is the same or everybody just say the same shit. It's like all the best rappers that I like are pretty much saying the same shit in totally bizarre in different ways. That's like the number one, like, back to Gucci.

Like Gucci fucking managed to do that. He talked about being in the streets and totally ridiculous. That was one of the artists I always looked up to was Gucci. That's good to know. Loved Gucci. So I got a question for you. Who you picking Gucci or Gigi? Gucci all day.

Gucci all day. He's going to rip Jeezy's heart out and eat it. And Gucci's just what we want. You know what I'm saying? He's the streets. Yeah. It's profiling. I'm sharing my opinion on that.

I feel like the thing is, a lot of people might have forgot how hot Jizi was at a certain point, but somehow Gucci's like respect and relevance has endured in a different way. Like, he's still just treated. In all honesty, if we're talking about, like, hit songs. Yeah, Gigi will win. He does have probably bigger songs.

You have bigger songs, but the influence, people, some people feel like Gizi influence bigger, I really don't. I feel like Gucci's was. They're both ridiculously influential, but I feel like Gucci on the current generation. I don't know personally, but from when I was here, Gizi really wasn't, he was rapping by other people's lives. we know what Gucci was when you're in the streets

and you that street you gotta go to prison you got to shoot somebody this is what we want you know what I'm saying are you about to do time is that like 100% I'm not 100% sure

I don't really want to talk about it because I ain't you know what I'm saying but right now it's like 50-50 for real I took a plea that's why I took a plea

so oh you did I should be doing time, but I don't know. The way life has been good, I don't know. With all of your success, you feel like that might actually be able to help you change the situation as well you say? It might be. I didn't have made it to a point where I feel like I wouldn't be in Cali right now. Like, they let me come to California on a plane and they know I have money.

I could have be a flight risk, but I feel like they'd be. trusted me enough to do this because my judge is fair honorable man. Sounds kind of understanding. So I'm like at this point the way life has been going like you never know, you know what I'm saying. I always I always think positive but I be trying to prepare for the worst. Right. I'm making sure I got anything in order just in case I have to go sit down.

But I just don't know at this point. Like I'm just really playing a patient game. I've been out on bond for two years. Wow. Man, that's crazy. Just that, you know, that makes me definitely want to make sure that everything we say in this conversation presents you in the best light,

just knowing that there's a chance that they can be seeing this. Like, I feel like the judge is called a judge for a reason. Right. To judge you. Okay, if you got caught with six, you've got six dope charges, a gun charge, then you go to court again. Then you catch another case.

Honestly, if I was a judge, I wouldn't believe shit you say. If I let you out right now, you're probably going to go back again because you already did it so much. Right. I don't have a background at all, so the judge knows. He see what kind of person I am. Without this music, I didn't did things I never thought I would. Like, backpack giveaways in the community. We're doing a turkey dry this year.

When I was on Tether I fed over 50, 60 families from home Never left, but I made sure I did what I did. I don't know how I'm... I didn't even care about the money. I was just go buy it. I'm sending everybody to the stove

to go buy turkeys. Go buy it. Putting together boxes. A couple people pitched in with me. I fed a lot of people on Tether from home. And I didn't do it because I wanted... I didn't do it to be funny

like, oh, I'm helping to give. It just was me being able to provide it financially and knowing how many people. Like, I didn't had Thanksgiving's where we had to eat fast food. So I'm like, besides all that shit, I wanted to do what I could to help the community, you know what I'm saying. Right. Oh, that's great.

Just seeing how much your life has changed in such a short period of time, it's kind of crazy. Do you ever feel like there's a conflict there, though? Because a lot of your lyrics that you're most known for are kind of, saying horrible things about yourself or making yourself sound like a kind of person that you're clearly not trying to be at this point in your life. You ever feel that sort of conflict? Kind of because it'd be like it's entertainment, but at the same time, how I looked at it,

it's all on you individually. Like, you could take this out of it or you could take this out of it. Right. You could be like, no, I don't want to go to do that if he did that and that happening. Or you can be like, oh, he said this. And to me, that's just, Like, I can't influence nobody to do nothing. Like, they're just dumb. If you watch a movie and see somebody kill a police and you go kill a police, you're dumb. He didn't tell you to go do that.

You know what I'm saying? Maybe you take it the other way. Like, oh, he killed the police and got life. I shouldn't kill the police did. You know what I'm saying? That's how I look at it. I feel like if anything I say makes somebody go do something they wasn't supposed to do, they're dumb.

It's nothing to do with me. But even with me, like, I feel conflicted because I laugh my ass off at this lyric, but I also immediately felt kind of bad about it. Pimsy ain't drink more lean than me. I'm going to go ask him. I was just like, oh, like. Then what I said after that? Something just about four caskets.

Because I'm overdosing this week. Right. So I'm like, I'm going to drink lean, die. He didn't go ask him, did he drink more lean than me? It was really just, I don't even know how it came. I didn't write that down. Like, he just came out. I thought about something else, said it, and it sounded good.

You punch in often and you just write verses in your phone? Honestly, that's what we is, punch rappers. We really punch rappers, but, like, you don't hear the difference. Like, all of my old tapes I dropped, I was writing them because I was sober. I'm at home. I'm kind of, like, I don't know. It was just, I don't know. Like, I'm still sober, but I didn't got back in what it was.

was, I was making so much money off the shit, it was like a job now, so I'm like, I gotta make sure, but I didn't got back to my fun stage with it, like I'm just gonna have fun. Cause it's so easy for, like me and Mike and Louis Ray, honest to God truth, we set up one day and rap for 20 hours straight and didn't record one song. Really?

Just rapping. And that brought me back in my bag, like where I could just go have fun again. You gonna hear the difference in these next stage. I was gonna hear the difference. for the same. Perfect example. Dummy, dumber, one end, two, was row.

Yeah. Okay. But this third one. Serious. I'm going to sing you a couple of songs off it. I'm talking about you. This shit is so serious, Adam. We're going to change hip hop again.

Really? Because they don't know. We'd never, like, it probably sounded like we was having fun with it, but that was just our personalities. Now we, I'm really back in my bag where I'm just having fun with this shit again. You're gonna hear a complete difference in these next tapes we drop. But so do you feel like the future of your music is in changing your shit up? Like when you do a song like dance moves, that's clearly meant to be more of a song.

It's like very different than most of the stuff you make. Do you think that that was a success or do you think that's not really what your fans want to hear from you? All the songs that I did. Dance moves didn't do anything compared to what songs I didn't want. That's why I don't make structure songs because I'm like, you don't pick the hit. the people do. I'm not going to go in here and be like, this is going to be the one.

Like, I did that because the people, you know, the labels and they all, I feel like you should do this. It didn't work for me. I thought that song was going to be big in the club. It didn't work. Your biggest songs are like your raw songs. My biggest song is legendary.

Now movie. And every song on Dumb and Dumber One and Two got two million streams on Apple, each song. Right. So I'm like, them bigger than songs that we thought, like we didn't make songs that we thought was gonna be huge. We made a song card three minutes.

Oh, yeah. They didn't do anything. We thought that song was going to be the one, no bullshit. Didn't do anything. Didn't do nothing. Then we made a song card back in. Right. We didn't, we didn't think that was going to do shit.

And that bitch took off. You're getting super silly in that video with the fucking sports coats and the basketball shorts and shit. That was the last minute. I'm like, what are these dudes doing? They had like half of the costume. That was part of the us. tether shit I was just bored thinking I was thinking anything else like what can I do what can I do are there any gas stations in Flint that you haven't filmed a video at shit no now for real any gas

station in the Flint we can go I'm damn near knocking out half of the D right now yeah I go any gas station I see you can ask Mike be photo rapping all that I don't know what it is about me but I was to see that gas stations all day yeah rappers love gas stations because you could take a photo because it got the really good lighting. It's a good light. And it's kind of like in Flint, the gas station is dimmed there like a club. Like a club.

They're going to see everybody in the city because our city is not big. Like when it's hot outside, the hose at the gas station. The dope boys at the gas station, you know what I'm saying? So I always love just the, I don't know.

Like when I go to the hood, when I get back to Flint, I'm going to the gas station on Ballinger first. Respect. Then I'm going to lead here and go to the one on Stockdale. I'm going to get the blacks from Bavanger.

I'm going to go get the pot from Stockdale. I'm going to go get two cups off Clio. For real. You can't get it all at one gas station? No. They might not have a cup I won't here. The bitch might not work at this one that I want to go pull out my knack. Like we still regular people.

I might want to just pull out my money in front of the bitch that worked during. But do you worry about getting too famous and still being in all these spots where God knows what could happen to you and just act like a regular-ass person? I don't think I'd ever be too famous to be in the hood with my people. I feel like a lot of people get pulled down by that because they feel like they're too famous. It makes people want to do something to you. But it's crazy, though, because the people, the people love that fact that we still be around.

Like, they let us know. Like, they appreciate you or not. It's like motivation. Being famous. Like, you know, motherfuckers get a couple dollars, get a name, and they act boogey, but we still are same niggas. For real.

If you go to Flint, Adam, like, it's going to be, if you came to Flint right now, Adam, and we was in town, you're going to see us. Oh, yeah. I don't give a fuck if you're not looking for us. You're going to see us somewhere.

We're going to the show. We're going to the Valero. We're going to the, I don't know what change you guys really got out there. First liquor store. The 76. You're going to see us within a 12-hour span if we're in the city.

100%. What's up with Little Boat embracing y'all so much essentially becoming a Flynn rapper. She's respect. He's genuine person. A lot of people probably get it misconstrued because the type of person he is, but he's kind of weird,

but that's him. He's not trying to be, like I haven't been around. We was with him last night. He's not trying to be a street nigger. He's not trying to impress nobody. He's him. That's what made me, like, fuck with both. Like, honestly, I didn't listen to a lot of little.

music because I was more of a rough. Right. But once he reached out to me, I had to go do my research and I looked at him as a human. Like he, he, he, him. You can never be mad at somebody for being him. And he's still young as fuck. That's what's crazy with him is I've seen him since he was like 16 and I seen him becoming an adult.

But the one thing that's always been crazy consistent with Yaddy is that me and him are kind of doing the same thing because I'm always looking for like who the new hot rappers are to interview and shit, he has always been on it to a crazy degree reaching out to people. You know? Just, that mean a lot for you to be able to be as big as you is. Like if I had reached out last year and asked for a Yadi feature, they probably told me $200,000.

And I'd have told him to go, fuck your show. Hey, Coach K. That nigga wrote me out the blue one day, like, you so hard, dog. I'm like, I appreciate it. Woo, woo. He's like, we gotta do something. Sent it to him, he sent it back in minutes. Right.

Then he finally came out. He came to Flint, man. That's why I love his name. He came to Flint. Got in my car and told his security guard to fuck off. He rode through my neighborhood with me, man, Lilliatty. Right. Like, we at the stove.

A lot of people didn't got killed up here. Standing there comfortable. He wasn't, he wasn't boogeyacking or I'm a millionaire. He didn't even have his jury home. Not because he was scared. He wanted to feel regular. He told me that 10 times. Like, I just want to feel regularly.

He's like, y'all make me, y'all bring it back out. He's like, niggas get boojy. He like, I know niggas Rio that's in your position right now that act way bigger than they really is. He like, you more humble and it makes, like, he, it fucked me up, he told he told me I make him want to be more humble. I'm like, you feel, me? He's crazy.

Like, I'm always that respect for Yadi. Like, he came to my seat, man. For me. Yeah. Like, Mike and them all can fly out there, wherever it's seen. He came strictly because he wanted to meet me, and I couldn't come to Atlanta,

and that meant a lot to me. And you guys have done a lot of videos together now at this point. It's like you get us up a real thing going. Could you ever see yourself doing a phone tape? Oh, there's a good. Yeah, I got an EP done. He said he's doing an EP card. From the eight of Michigan, some shit with all Michigan rappers,

but I'd be dope. Me and him got our own EP. When he came down here, we did about six, seven sons. Then we'd be doing a lot of sitting over. So matter of fact, me, him and Drakeo the ruler fin-do some shit. Yo, yeah. Shout out to Draco, too. He's a real nigga.

Let's do that. We gotta do a video for the No Jumper channel we all together while we're out here. We're gonna try to put an EP together for our league, because Draco big. Drake goes like the hero to a lot of us in LA rap around. And I didn't know how big you was till I came out here. How did you end up on his mixtape that came out while he was locked up?

These guys I knew, TK. TK., yeah. They had, uh, tell me like it'll be a good look. Yeah. They let me hear it. That's actually the first time I think I ever heard a verse from you. I think you recorded this verse in jail. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They let me hear it. And I'm like, yeah, I fuck with that. Did that. That was easy. Yeah. I used to pray for that man. I used to pray for Drake and I ain't even knew him. I was praying to get out of jail off that situation

because he seemed like a genuine dude, and I finally met him. Like, when did you meet him face to face? Yesterday, right? I talked to him a lot, though. I think I talked to him when he was in jail. You met him in the studio, though, or did you guys get a chance to record yet?

No, yeah, we did this long. I was so tired last night. I forgot. Tire. Yeah, tired. We did. You hang out with Draco, you get tired. I don't know what it was.

We did some shit. No, I think about it. Last night, and that one, it just happened. But before I leave, we're going to put like five, six sons together. Right. Because that's big. I get a DM at least two, three times a day about Draco. Like, every day.

They're like, y'all got to do this. And then when I met him, he the same as the music. So I'm like, yeah. I don't want one other question that I wanted to make sure I threw out there is I feel like I've heard you say that you're willing to drink green lean and basically said that you would beat somebody's ass for drinking green lean around you can we get an official statement on this in the beginning it was I would fucking hurt you if you drink green lean then it became to the point I did it son I say I used to hate niggas that drink green I respect them now like it had to to sit on me. Like, it ain't always about being cheap. It's not my preference when I did drink cloth syrup. Yeah. Because I don't drink off cereal no more. But it's like, the green is like, we used to laugh at it because it was like the cheap way out. Yeah. You'll go spend fucking

$5 on an ounce of lean and be higher than me. That's what made me understand it, though. A nigga had to, I know a nigga up damn near a million dollars that drink green happily. He say, we only drinking and get high. Rang gets me high. Why would I go spend $400 on the ounce? I'm not going to get as high as I would. You feel me? But it's the same thing that's always happened in the lean game

where people didn't used to want the red at all. Yeah, they hated red. Now people pay crazy as money to them. When the Walker came out, when I was drinking back then, I hated Walker. Like, hated it. Then it became the top dog. You know what I'm saying?

It's just like, And the future green might be the one. You know what I'm saying? That shit might be a hundred in the line. There's been drugs that were super popular, like, quailudes and shit that eventually they just decided that they were too dangerous or whatever they stopped making it. It's like that feels like what's happening in slow motion with lean over time. And it's so big right now.

It's like, it's crazy. For sure. Don't do fucking lean. That shit is horrible. Yeah. I did the shit. And it wasn't good. They fuck me up.

It'll fuck your body up, first of all. It'll fuck your pockets up if you ain't laying like that. It just make you do stupid things. Like, don't drink lean. I advise all the kids out there. Don't do no drugs. Follow your dreams. Drink water.

Work out. Eat fruits. That's real. Don't drink lean. That shit bad for you. And it's real expensive. Have you, can you put me on to anything about the dog fighting game?

I've never heard anybody rap about dog fighting so genuinely. I know a couple of people in Flint that is big. You were clowning people for fighting like $200 dollars. No, because at the time, my brother had bought a fucking expensive-ass bully, right? You know, them show dogs. And he fought a nigga fighting dog, and his dog won. That shit fucked me up, man. I'm like, he'd been training this dog to fight.

He brings his lazy-ass person. pretty dog over there and they fucked that dog up. I'm like, y'all got to stop fighting them cheap as dogs, man. You know what I'm saying? The dog knew it was cheap. He gave out. That's amazing. Yo, okay, so what do we

get to look forward from you guys? This is an amazing envy, by the way. I don't know if you guys realize that, but this is incredible. Accidental shit talking out right now. It's still on the top 20 on the Apple charts. No promotion, no marketing. No budget. Go get that shit right now.

Go grab that shit right now. It's crazy. Dumb and number three, will be here in the next two, three weeks. Then Mike dropping a little. I got a sophomore season coming right after that. I got so much shit done. I don't know what I'm doing,

but just expect a lot of crazy-ass music within the next two, three months. I got an album, Life of the Young OG. That's going to be the one. I got an EP called Les Rio. I mean, less features more Rio. I'm going to feature about six artists on there, but I'm going to do 10 by myself

and fuck everybody. I got one called Organic Spice Talking Volume 1 This shit gonna This shit right here Gonna fuck hip hop up Organic spice talk I'm honestly like

I ain't gonna lie Mike I had to do this one by myself The real six baby coming to though Mike got something by itself too Like a lot of people feel like Why do you keep doing CDs by yourself They don't know what's really in store though

Like we got When me and Mike drop It's damn near Like when I drop by myself, it don't be that big to me. Like, the music's there, but when me and Mike drop, it got to be something. More exciting? It's just going to be crazy. But this organic Spice Talk Volume 1, I guarantee we change music again.

Are you kind of bummed? You haven't been able to play shows and shit, or less shows? No. I haven't. Because, you know, Mike was fun as fuck to me. I ain't going to lie. I love before. In the height, when our career was rising, I was on Tether.

So I probably did four or five shows. I held it down to him. Mike held it down, but I never been a club person either. Mike drunk liquor, so he kind of, like, I hate being around people. No, you're over now? I hate being around drunk people, first of all. And, like, I found, like, to some people, shows they've bread and butter. So, like, I never made a lot of money doing them, so I don't really care for them.

But that first time that Corona sort of ends or whatever, and you have your first really lit show. It was probably going to be such a crazy feeling. I did a show in Ohio, man. I did a show in Ohio. I love performing with him. It was crazy. When I first started performing,

a lot of my performances wasn't with him. It was solo. Yeah, he had to hold it down. So it was like, shit. It's like, when we get on that stage, that shit, that shit be fun as fuck. I didn't even know that too. You know what I'm saying?

Like in the city, and I don't really beat his shit because everybody. When I did my first show in Ohio, it showed me, huh? Turned that bitch. Everybody was record, and it was just like, They really here for us.

They knew the words. When we back at home, it's not like that love ain't there. It's just like, but then the same niggas that's standing in the club just looking. I'm going to be the same thing. You're like, bro, you so fucking hard. When we go do a show, they just want to stand there and hate. Doing the same niggins there. After we done perform and they go to their car and play our music.

I want to take a picture with us, but they want to do it behind the scene. They just don't know how to act in the environment. I feel like a lot of people, you know. Like, it ain't even a fan. If you're a supporter. Support it. You don't have to look mean. You don't have to feel like you got more than us or you can do something better.

Just like the music. Right. Because I've seen it a thousand times. I just can't wait to our first beat, like, arena performance. That shit is going to be dope. Now, when we bring that many people out, it's a different feeling. I love to do shows. But this strip club shit is weird.

Yeah, I'm tired of the street club. You can pay me to just play my music. and I come fuck around, but as far as me rapping on stage to 14 people, I don't feel it because the energy don't really be real.

But then again, I haven't been able to do a lot of out-of-town shows. You're going to always get more love. Out of town. You get in a long city, so. Yeah. No, I mean,

if you had a show out here right now, it would be packed. Honestly, we got a show at Deja-Javu Saturday. Oh, for real? We just locked that in. Oh, no, y'all ain't going to hear this interview before. there's no

all the LA promoters line that shit up we'd come down here and fuck this bitch up COVID don't matter fuck COVID it's 2020 I know a nigga in the hood got more bodies

you got COVID you got COVID from not washing your hands huh? Yeah I pissed and didn't wash my hands I don't know if I ever heard a rapper admit that before but that's a real talk

I don't really wash my hands up that pee I probably got Corona I just pissed and I used to tell bitches today like why you ain't watch your hands because I wash my dick this morning

I know my dick not dirty so why should I have to wash my hands I'm scared to my own dick I'm really a nasty some nasty shit but it's true like sometimes you don't wash your end it's okay

you pee outside yeah when you pee outside when you're moving around before all this COVID shit when everybody had hand sanitizer nobody was carrying hand sanitizer like that like shit it's a part of life

I was doing a vlog in the hood around here one time and they told me though you're probably the first person, the first white person who ever took a piss out here in the street. Shit. That's crazy. For real.

I mean, they said it. That shit is a law in Detroit. There's probably some other guys out there. They got to decriminalize taking a piss in public because this shit's fucked up. Like, homeless people, people that, I mean, I got to take a piss like every hour. I'd be drinking gallons of water every day. If that's the point, the bitches who walk around have niggish shit, that should be a fucking crime too. Bidges walking around with their nipples out.

Yeah. That's real. I'm peeing behind a building nine times out of 10. Yeah, I'm doing everything I can so you don't see it. Man. All right, yo, this is a classic interview. I appreciate you guys for real. Shout out to Addo.

Oh, Jumper. Free to Hogue, ghetto. Yeah. Oh, tune in. Oh, yeah. Boil and A crime two drop at midnight tonight. Tonight. If I see this interview, it's going to be will over stream,

but I want you to her streaming some more. Yeah. Peasy. We'll be home soon. He just dropped a bag. Bad motherfucker. We own that bad motherfucker.

We own that bad motherfucker. It's ghetto boys for life. For sure. You ain't with us to fuck you. I-Ur. M-C-D. Shout out the whole fam, man. Shout out to Adam

for bringing us in here. I'm still mad. I was not the first Flint artist to be interviewed, but I'd get over it. You owe me something, BFB. He's on the press list.

Shout out to BFB, though. That's my man. You know what I'm saying? Man, what up, bro? But I'm Rio the fucking young, oh, gee. I put Flynn on the map. I said it. I'm sorry, but I did.

I said it. All your other interviewers and all your other, come to me first, man. Come to ask me first, man. I gotta ask me now. If I say, I might be a real nigga and tell you to interview Jay first or somebody, but I gotta get to say so.

Don't go behind my back. We're gonna get Jay and Louis and all these folks. After, we gotta get this shit in too soon. You know, they be down here every fucking week. Jay on his way down here now. Louis, he probably outside. There it is.

We need them lined up immediately too. Y'all got to fuck with us, flint niggas and understand us. Going down. We coming to take over the world for sure. Classic, classic shit. Hey, Rio, Mike. One time. One time.

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