No Jumper - The RMC Mike Interview: Rio Getting Locked Up, Signing to Peezy, Lean & More

Episode Date: April 20, 2022

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No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. Today, I'm in here with a repeat guest. This is number two. Yes, sir. RMC. Mike is in the building. What's up, though? What's up, though. How you feeling, man?

It's nice to have you in here. I'm all right, honestly. I'm glad to be here back for a second ago. Back for another round. What's going on in your life these days? A lot more excitement, a lot more traveling. Yeah? Yeah, a lot more moving around, you know, just putting my head.

everywhere. Right. And shit, a lot more music. Because last time we were together was kind of like very mid-pandemic, I'm pretty sure. For sure. Where even though you guys are the types of guys who weren't staying home, you were still like kind of staying home because there wasn't shit going on for a little while there. For sure.

Right. So no, it's just good to be moving around, back moving around in years. Definitely. Yeah, I'm listening to this new project and I'm feeling like, oh, okay, Mike's, he's taking some wrists, hopping on different types of beats, getting a little bit more interesting. perspective. I'm glad you noticed that. I'm glad that's what I was, that's what I was trying to get out of people.

Yeah. I just want to just show them like, okay, the shit talking shit gonna always be there, you know what I'm like, I'm trying to learn myself to be more of an artist now. I'm trying slower beats, I'm doing hooks and shit now, so it's like, I'm just trying to learn, man. A little bit more like having like a concept for a song as opposed to just like, when I think of like most of, like, most of the of your biggest songs, it sounds like you in the studio just punching in saying the funniest shit, the craziest shit that you could think of in that moment. It's like a little bit of a different

style. No, for sure. We got a little bit. Definitely got more thought. Right. The process is going into it. Because that's what people always wonder is like, is the Detroit and also look at our light going in and out. We need a surge protector. That's what people always kind of say if they want to try to like criticize a lot of the music or the style that came out of Detroit and Flint over the past couple years is that like oh it's it's cool or it was cool but it's kind of repetitive and you know that style like we kind of have that conversation now is like how is that style evolving and how are all these artists taking in different directions yeah because believe it or not it's a lot of people with that style now you see you hear a lot of

people trying to rap like the Michigan way right you just hear it all over down South, East West, New Jersey. You'll see a rapper whose career is on ice. Ain't shit happening to him? And then they will just pop up and be like, hey, I got this hard new flow. And then it's like, oh, okay. We heard this.

We heard this a few hundred times. You know what I'm saying? But shit. I don't know. I just feel like that's what made it pop. That's what made us different. Right. You know what I'm saying?

You know what I never stopped shit talking, but it's like I still want to, I'm still trying to learn myself as an artist. Like I want to, you know what I'm saying? Get on slower shit. Right. I be trying to see you don't even know. Really?

All those, too, and all that. I'm just trying shit, bro. Did you dip into that on this new project and I missed it? Or is it still in the process of being developed? No, I didn't... The moment, well, all or not one. No, I really ain't dip into that. Okay.

But I got some sums where I had dipped into the... I actually just did one last night. Really? Yeah. What gets you in that mood? You drinking red wine or something? No, I just... It ain't really just gonna feel it.

Going up to fellas, you know what I'm saying? I'm just like, fuck it. I was in one of those moves last night, kind of in my fellas. Really? So I'm like, fuck it. Let me just try. I think you're like a superhero.

You're telling me that you go through mental health as well? Oh, hell yeah. I'm human, bro. We all go through this shit. Right. But it's like it's crazy, though, because right after I was down, we were right back to some old turked-up shit.

Right. So it was like, I just had to get some shit off my chest. Yeah, definitely. I mean, do you ever want to, like, make music that could take place in different environments? Because sometimes, like, I'll be playing, you know, you or Rio or Peezy or whatever, I swear or whatever, around my girl. And after, like, 20 minutes or 30 minutes, she's just like, okay, can be listening to some fucking Blink 10 or something? Because it's just kind of, it's a little too masculine for the girls sometimes. Yeah, sometimes it is.

It could be that. But, yeah, I definitely want to tap in a different, you know what I'm saying? Different drivers. just learn this shit. That's how you evolve as an artist, bro. You just, you know what I'm saying? 100%. What has life been like since Rio winning?

How long have been, six months? Actually, been a year. A year? Yeah, it's been a year, April 3rd. Wow. April 3rd, it was a year. Okay, first question, what was it like leading up to the time where you knew he was going to go in?

Were you guys going in super hard? Are you having more fun than usual? Yeah, that's exactly what we did. You know what I'm saying? We knew that time was coming to an end, so it was like, we got to do what we can. We got to do what we can. You just going hard, bro. Right.

You know what I'm saying? Having fun, going hard, making a lot of music, make a lot of money. You know what I'm saying? Spent a lot of time together. Right. It was just, it just went crazy. Peezy said that was a crazy-ass time period. Before Rio went in, but after PZ got out, there was like a period of how many months?

Man, it was wild. Like, for real. Like, I can't even, it's really hard to explain because it was every day, now I stop doing some shit. Right. It's unexplainable for real. Just our working.

He was basically standing in the Rio would, like, go to the mall every day buy a brand new outfit and a pint. He was on that. He was on there for show. And wake up, we had Somerset, seven, eight in the morning. Right.

His nigga buying the outfit every day, man. That's a beautiful thing. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's a blessing that you were just able to do that. Right. And we carried from nothing, niggins, so the shit. Right. How many years do you feel like you've been having money now?

Yeah, about two years. Really? Do you think about when you were younger a lot, like how much different life feels now that you've got so many things going for you? Hell yeah. I think about it all the time and reason why I keep it on my mind

because I'm not trying to go back to that. You know what I'm saying? So it's like we would just, it wasn't really motherfucker like I said. We was young. I was still, I was lost for a second, bro.

I was trying to find our way, but we were still young, just doing shit, but it's like, shit, we play with some shit now, so shit, we even trying to make it bigger,

man. We just keep going, keep striving. What's the bigger vision at this point? Man, I'm trying to get up like bigger artists, you know, bigger features and shit like that.

And tap into other shit, like, shit, acting all the type of shit. Act? You got a plug on that? No, I don't have a plug, but we got a couple of my home boys,

we're taking over this movie. Oh, really? Yeah, we try to put together. We try to put that in the work some way, somehow. And it's really just gonna be like a movie about me and Rio come up. Really? You know what I'm saying? Just from basically childhood and shit to us getting introduced to the rap,

you know what I'm saying, and blowing up quigger than most artists. That could be dope. I feel like Boosie's made a bunch of things. of money when he did his movie recently. I'm pretty sure he, like, immediately recouped what he spent on it and shit, which is very inspiring because when you really think about it, like, that's what these comedians be doing, is that even if they don't got a deal with Netflix or whatever, they'll put it on their website, sell it for five bucks, make a million dollars, make a couple million dollars

in the course of a week or whatever, and they totally sidestep all the Netflix's and HBO's or wherever the fuck, they might be splitting that with. Yeah, if they had to go, if they had to come down to it, that's what we're going to do. Right. It's hard because you can't convince people to speak. spend money on music, but maybe they'll spend money on a movie. And a big inspiration, too, Vassau. I watched

this movie, and he got another one coming. What year did his movie come out? Did I miss that? Uh, well, just, uh, um, damn, what's that shit called? Pell. Uh. Uh. Last year? What was it called? Pater? I mean,

that what was called? Uh, something in love, bro. What was it called? Drank in love. No, it wasn't. And I've seen, you know what I'm saying? Like he, I was at the, the preview, you know. Right. Went to the morning.

It was just like, that shit was dope. It was motivational. Right. Like, shit, we need to do some shit about that, about our story. You know what I'm saying? Me and Reed touched on it a little bit. We ain't really get too far with it. But I just tossed it to it like, brother.

I think that would be a good idea. Right. Have you thought about or have you actually started any other businesses? Are you going to any like side hustles aside from rapping? I'm currently into that now. Me and my manager, we're coming up with different ways. You know what I'm saying right now? I haven't yet, but I am.

That's what we're coming. We're looking different shit to do now. Right. I feel like that's the name of game these days. You can't just depend on music. No, you can't just depend on music. No, you can't do it. I mean, you can, but you're kind of really limiting yourself.

No, for sure. But it's like a adventure to know. For sure. So tell us about a little bit of the, the early days of you and Rio, or how you first connected, I forget, what age we had?

It was around like shit, ninth of 10th grade, freshman year high school. Okay. So we probably was 16, 17 around this day. Some shit like that. But me and Rio grew up in the same hood. Okay.

Like, I used to see him around, but it was like one day, we actually get, we got cool on smoking weed, bro. I'm gonna keep a gee with you. Seeing the nigga at the stove, we was both blind,

buying woods. went out, Wool's Blunts at this point. Right. I'm shit, bro, you want a match? You fuck it, come off. And it was my nigga here he said. Like, it was just, we clicked like that. You just hit it off like that?

No, to the point. We went to the same schools and everything. He started picking me up every morning because this nigga was driving, I wasn't driving. Yeah. Rio was driving, a nigga. He was picking me up every morning to go to school.

Right. Who was the more turned-up person at that time in terms of personality? and what y'all were getting into you were you were the bad kid man rio was really quiet bro like y'all that niggins really quiet like he ain't he didn't say too much at all in school none of that like he was to himself type thing right he's quiet as hell though but were you guys having conversations about music that early on hell no hell no just hustling yeah basically we're this next dollar for to come from right you're where were the dollars coming from at that time

doing a little bit of anything like I say we was in a house bro just trying to find a way you know what I started working I work jobs and everything I was going to work and everything come out

like that shit still one another I remember being kind of surprised that you and him were like very quick to be like hell yeah I had a fucking job like not even that long ago I'm not embarrassed of that yeah motherfucker be trying to down play Man, go get a job, money. A lot of rappers want to convince you that they've been in the mob

since they were fucking four years old. I didn't work in plenty of shops. Right. No care. Shops, like weed shops? No, I just, it really bad. I went to damn there, any Tim Surgeon, and Tim agency, you could think, yeah.

Really? I had something got a damn job. The longer job I probably cared was like two years. That was the fun and shit. Which one was that? Auburn Hills, man. I was a welder. A welder?

Hell yeah, they told me out of weld. You learned on the job, you didn't have to go to school for it. I didn't have to go. I learned on the job. How was that? It was dope as hell. We was, uh, man, these big ass, I don't even. It was, it was a robot line, put it like that.

Oh, okay. The robots welds weld. But you know robots, I know always perfect, they fuck up. So I'm at the end of the line. When the park come out, I got to go over part. It's like 39 wells on the park. I got to go expect every part. Some of them be fucked up.

I just fixed it. So it was, you know what I'm saying? And it's just a random part. You don't even know what it was going to? Man, it was going to a car for show. Oh, it was a part of a car. Yeah, it was part of the car for show. But it was like part of like the frame of the car.

Right. Like the actual chassis. But were you thinking that whole time? Like, I'm meant for something better than this. Like, this can't be the less of my life. Hell yeah. But it was a seat. I had to do what I got to do, bro.

You know, life steel goes on, bro. This should have passed you back. Nothing will inspire you to get your hustle going more than a fucking job. Because that's, for me, I had to do it. Even when I was like 13, a job was just like eight hours of me thinking about how the fuck I was going to figure out how to not have a job. No, for sure. But it was like the shit. The hustling wasn't even working.

It wasn't even good for us at this point. Right. Like, a nigga, a nigga go, you maintain for it. But the nigga, I always are falling off. Yeah. I'd be like, man, fuck. Like, what do? I don't know.

It sounds a lot easier in rap songs. Something always goes wrong in real life, right? Yeah. But you always go. make another way. That's the part about being the hustler, bro. Hustlers is just making sure you got to do what you got to do, period, no matter of where it ain't always about being in the streets. Hustling is going to work. Right. You know what I'm saying? Hustlers doing what you got to do. A lot of people who are hustling, like, in the streets are somehow oblivious to the fact that

a job could probably earn them more money on average health benefits, no risk or very little risk. I was just going to say that. He got to worry about the police. Niggins trying to get you, watch your back the number one thing that you fuck up when you're a young kid is that you can't properly calibrate how important risk is because if you're a drug dealer and 99% of the time you get away with it

and then 1% of the time you get locked up and you get 10 years then guess what? That severely impacts how you should be thinking about how much money you're making the other 99% of the time you know for the show that makes so much shit yeah and when I was a kid man I just

took me a while to figure that out it took me a while It took me a long while How many time you've been locked up? It's the theme, bro. I'd never been locked up. Ever. Never.

Not even a little overnight. It's real wood. Hard to say. It's probably some sort of composite. That's real wood right there. Oh, that's wood. This for sure is wood. Yeah.

But no, I see what it was. I'm going to just put it like this, bro. I would just add, I damn near turn my back to the streets before I was able to, you know what I'm saying? And it's sad to say, it took some of my own boys going to jail for me to turn my back to the streets. Right. That's what I said.

I started out where I went to, I went full of jail, went to jail, went to jail, went back to school, got my GED, started working a job. So you decided to do all that even before the rap shit started cracking on? Yeah. Really? That's good. Yeah, that's what it was for me. So it was like I stopped putting myself in the predicaments to even having to go to jail. But what were you seeing?

Were you seeing your friends catch like real serious charges watching them go away for five, ten? 10 years and that was just like too depressing. Yeah, I mean, shit, my friends was going to jail for the same shit I was doing. Yeah. You know what I'm doing? I'm doing it with him. It was just, shit, motherfuckers got caught. I never got caught, bro. That's all their boys down to, bro.

I did it down there anything next nigga that did, bro. I just never been caught for nothing. And I turned my back on the streets before. It was, you know what I'm saying? And then meanwhile, though, there's a lot of people who might, the first thing they ever do, they get caught. I talked to a guy the other day who did 33 years for a robbery when he was like 18 that turned into a murder. Boom, 33 years.

He was a kid, you know? He didn't even have a chance to have a nice little run in the streets. He got caught up, like, right away, you know? At all. But, yeah, like, my own boys were more than prison, man. It was just a big-ass eye-opener-all-this shit real. Right. And they ain't just handed on no five, ten years, man.

Right. They got more than that. And I guess so I'm like, shit. There's a big eye opener, you feel? Like, dude. Somebody was in any other day telling me that Detroit's so fucked up that if it ain't a murder, then the cops aren't really that concerned. They're like, you can get caught with a gun,

and it's not the end of the world because they have so much shit to deal with. I mean, I really can't speak on Detroit. I be down there a lot, though. Right. I mean, I'm pretty sure it's like that because it's like that at my own. Right. It really ain't no murder, bro. That's motherfuckers.

Right. Be forever before they pull up on you. When did you and Rio start talking about rapping? It was really at Little E house, Grand R.E. I told her, like I told her last time, you know, me and Rio got cool. We got the hang and boom. Bumped in the Little E. So we just got a little E crib, nigga, just to get high house.

Right. You feel me, he had a studio. So it was like, shit. We're here getting high. fuck it, let's rap. And that's where I learned how to damn their punch rap. Like I was telling you, I used to write, bro. Like when I did, when I dibble and dabble with music before a real.

Right. I used to write. But I started rapping with them, niggas. It was like, dead fuck around had the whole son done before I was done my verse. Writing my verse. Yeah. So it was like, nigga, you got to get with the program, nigga. Oh, fuck that.

I'm going to go here and do it. like yo. Right. You feel me? You felt like you had talent and that Rio had talent from the beginning? For sure. Like, everybody around us was telling us and we was just in denial about the shit. Yeah, bro.

You are, for real. I mean, here's this. Aria since a motherfucker heard me start rapping. No bullshit. Like, bitch, you are. Right. You feel me. Who were you riding around listening to at that time in your life? Who was like, and especially on a local level, who was making you think like,

oh, all right, this is possible? Shit. We grew up on Detroit music, bro. Begat him with the Peezy, the bag, you know what I'm saying? Of course, Dope Boys cash out. We listened to all that shit grew up, bro. So that was like our biggest, we thought they was big. You know what I'm saying?

Which they is. But we're like, shit, we try to be like that. You're trying to get up there. So you're a big Peezy fan for years before you met him? Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Peezy. Always in rotation.

Been in rotation. Still going to be in rotation. Definitely. When did you, okay, so you started rapping at E's house and then how does it kind of progress from there? It just, this is what we did.

It was like, we get to the, we got the sons and shit. We'd do the subs. And I used to record the song on my phone, like after it's done. Right. And I used to put them on my Facebook page.

I swear to God. Not the actual audio, The phone recording of it? Yeah, the phone recording of me recording coming out of the speaker. I used to call it white speaker music. It was all I used to post, nothing but white speakers. Right. I'm just letting you hear the song.

And this shit used to go crazy on Facebook, bro. To the point I'm like, what the fuck? So that let me know the streets listening. And after that, it was like, man, the streets, they damn their demand in this shit, bro. Like, y'all niggas got to drop a tape. Right. Like, y'all got to do that. Like, you feel, whoo, who.

And that shit happened. We dropped dumb and dumber. Oh, my Jesus. Oh, okay. What year is Dumber Dumber Dumber? Dumb and Dumber, 18, right? Oh, okay. 19?

18. Dumb and Dumber one, 18. I'm seeing. I'm probably. I believe 18. The team is all rubbing their chins. It's a minute. It seemed like a minute ago, but I think it was about, yeah, 18.

It's funny because 18 don't. It's 18 or 19, though. It's one of them two for sure. It's crazy, though, that that's like four or five years ago. Yeah. Because it feels like, 2018 and I feel like you're talking about like a year ago. But then I think about what the date is and I'm like, okay, it's been a while.

Time really flies. It's 18 or 19 for sure. I think we dropped. Pandemic is what really fucked that shit up though, man, because there was just this big two-year chunk where there wasn't as much going on and that really made it feel like time flies. No, for sure. That pandemic shit was wild. Right.

But okay. So you put the tape out and then does Peezy reach out to y'all based on the tape or how of that proceed. I mean, it probably had played a part, but this hour was. We had our own way. KD. Free him.

He a rapper too for Flint. Right. He was already, Lincoln went like Peezy and doing sons with them. So, KD and Rio had a hard-ass son. Like, that was going crazy at this time. And Peezy heard it.

He in the car with KD, whatever he let him hear. Peasy like, he asked KD, like, Bro, who was your man? Like, who dog you rap are with? That's my nigga Rio. Who, who? Damn.

Like, bring that nigga to me. You feel? So, that happened, they late. And, like, there's just anybody, it's hard to listen to Rio without listening to me. Rio and Peas, he got the chilling cooler,

you feel me? Right. He heard of me. One day I go down there with, we're a nigga Pete. We had the gas station. I hop out of my car. I'm like, bro, you're all right to sell.

I'm like, I'm talking about this shit, shock. It'll fuck me up. I'm like, this Peasy telling me I'm hard. Right. You feel? That shit fuck me up, bro. That was motivation off the dribble right there. Right.

This nigga think I'm hard. If this nigga think I'm hard, who else going to think I'm hard? Like, you feel? Yeah. Would you say he's like one of the biggest influences on you guys's style? It could, yeah. Because Peasy's been shit talking for a long time, right? thinking or not.

Right. You know what I'm saying? He just got his own swag. He got away the word. He's shit talking at the same. He been doing this shit for a long time, so yeah. Definitely. Yeah, for sure.

How long did it take before you started having conversations about, like, becoming part of ghetto boys or I don't know how that conversation went? Yeah. I don't know. The love was real kind of quick. Like, the shit all came together kind of quick. Right. You know what I'm saying?

It was like, shit, it was a bro first. But in the back of my. mind I knew they was coming though even bro no it said it was destined like you can't just get one and the other right you gotta come get both of these niggas you feel me so it was like i knew i knew it was coming especially just off the little how hard he was fucking with bro right off the love he had for bro so i knew it was coming so like i remember having that conversation with rio about how he kind of like picked up so much of the game of actually being a rapper and all these different income streams you had to have from you know streaming shit to features to shows, etc.

Like, was that kind of the moment where you started to take your whole career more serious and start to figure out the business? Hell yeah. And then it was just like, bro, Bro, there was dropping, you know, jewels and shit, Harry Dian, Harry Dying, too, you feel me. Give them, try to give us the game. See, that's the thing. Like, it wasn't just no, oh, I'm assigned these niggas get them some money.

And the nigga really was teaching us the game. Like, I know, teaching us the business side of this shit. Right. You know what I'm saying? So it was like, that's the biggest shit. That's more than. anything, bro. You can nigga ask for, bro.

Fuck some money. He was talking about how he likes signing an artist and how he wants to sign an artist and not even necessarily be the one rapping as much as shit. And I was like, so would you be able to sign somebody who wasn't necessarily your friend but was just somebody you thought that had talent?

And he was basically like, nah, because why the fuck would like, I wouldn't trust their motivations if they were trying to fuck with me if we weren't really close like that. I mean, I don't know, I don't know. I know. I know him. in Rio, like, built a relationship

before the actual signing. So I kind of get there. Like, I made him, I think I met P. like twice, bro, before I signed with him. But he showed me all I need to know, bro. It was the love that you gave my brother. You feel, me? That was enough for me.

Right. So it was like, fuck it. And then I'm rocking with bro anyway, man. We were rocking with each other. If it was the other way around, he would have did the same shit. Guarete. Did you feel, when did you feel like

you actually started to really experience? It's like to come up. Like when shit, like I know it was snowballing, but when did it really feel, feel like I started to just spike the fuck up. I feel like it was maybe six months or like a year before we did that interview. Yeah, for sure.

For sure, like, a little, I want to shout out of you, because that interview did some shit for a legendary shit. That shit just reminded me on how good interviews can be, yeah, because that interviews damn their skyrocketed the nigga too, though.

Really? Yeah, probably like, It was, yeah, I'm trying to think. It was like, we was doing millions of views. It was that chart shit, bro. I ain't even going to lie. So that was done there recently, bro. When we charted with number number three charted, bro.

That's what I really like, man. This shit, you got to think about it, bro. Our shit went number four. Right. Without no big machine behind it, bro. Like, no, we got empire. You know what I said? We got boys, but, you know,

empire's the distribution deal. Like, we ain't got no big major label, stupid machines behind us, bro. We went number four. The check was different that month? Hell yeah. Hell yeah. It's got to be a good feeling.

But that opened my eyes, bro, like, duh. Like, we just two kids, bro, for Flint, Michigan, bro. And we up here with big ass. names like this. That shit is a blessing, bro. You know how many people don't even make it to the charts? And how many people are on the charts, but they need this big-ass machine to get them there?

My point. We're doing this shit by ourselves, bro. They're just going off the love of the people. It's crazy. That shit big, bro. That shit opened my eyes for real. What made you decide to do the shit with Empire? And what do you actually, like, for an independent artist or independent?

and style artists like, you know, what do you get out of the? Yeah, I went with a distribution. You know what I'm saying? We came with a distribution deal. They distributed my last album at the junior season. Uh-huh.

You know what I'm saying? That went crazy for me. On the solo side, it charged 35. That's where it stopped at. Right. So that's big for me. I'm more than happy with myself for that,

bro. Like I said, I'm still an upcoming artist. Right. You feel me? I'm pushing 200,000. followers on Instagram, bro. So I'm still climbing up. That's big for me to be top 50.

Yeah. Still independent. That's crazy. Still, you know, that shit. That shit, blessing, bro. I can't thank them enough for even wanting to work with a nigga. You never got deleted on Instagram? No.

Fingers crossed. All right. Knock on wood. Every day I see somebody who got God on there that I'm just like, damn. That shit wild. To the point, I really stopped.

Like, I really, I really started kind of posting like that like I should. I'm going to be honest because I'm like, man, they take this bitch away. It's like that shit. That's going to be so discouraging, bro. I saw something totally new the other day. I saw a rapper who got arrested last year for attempted murder

and he was selling or promoting somebody's account who sells ghost guns. Posting a picture of the ghost gun saying, join this dude's telegram chat. Duh. I was like, what the fuck? He was in it for the fast cash, man. I know. That's what I was saying?

I'm like, what's going on that you need the money that bad that you'll risk losing your Instagram or whatever? Yeah, fuck that. Yeah, that was kind of. I ain't trying to lose that Instagram. Yeah.

So, okay, when Real goes in, how do you, like, how does it change the feel of shit? Because you always kind of had, like, your partner in crime, and now all of a sudden you've got to figure out how you're moving on a solo ticket. It changed shit drastically for real.

Like, bro, I was down there. I was fucked up. for a minute. I'm gonna keep a G with you, because like you said, it was just me and him for all these years, bro, just doing this shit. And they all attack him away from him.

So it hurt it. But he, the shit that he instilled in me as just being with him and watching him do this shit, I know I was gonna be okay. You know what I'm saying? Like, shit, he showed me a lot. He taught me a lot.

just by him being my brother though you know what I'm saying like he even taught me a lot bro how to move in this shit I'm watching shit like it'd be days that nigga the rap guy I wasn't even rapping for real bro I'm just moving around with him be doing so much shit so I'm sitting back observing this shit you know what I'm saying taking notes and shit like I've been in that position

because sometimes when you have that one homie that you're really tight with and you just be moving around together all the time and sometimes you end up kind of relying on their energy No, for sure. And you can be there and have your own energy, but if, you know, if it's, like, you, I've had homies who it's like every day, they're telling me, like, let's go at, like,

nine in the morning, let's go. Let's, like, start hustling, you know, back in the day. And that, like, then various shit happened, they go away, and then it's kind of like, fuck. I don't, it's hard to, like, summon that same momentum by yourself. No, for sure. By yourself. Yeah.

It definitely is. And he had, that nigga had to drive, bro. Like, that shit crazy, bro. But is it stealing in me, too? Like, I be having to, I think of him. Every time I feel like I want to be lazy or something, I'm like, man. This nigga will be in the studio somewhere. Right.

You know what I'm saying? Let me go and get my shit together. Right. You know what I'm saying? You're rolling around solo for the most part? You got other people that you work with. Yeah, I roll around. I mean, you know, I still roll around the same people, Jay.

I still be with Jay. I still be with Louie. Right. You know what I'm saying? But we all still, we are still growing as our own artist. So, you know what I'm saying? It be times. I got to be years.

You gotta be there that. But, niggins, it's all. We still come together. We still move around. But it must be a good feeling for you because when I'm looking at your videos on YouTube and everything, I'm kind of like, oh, okay, his views are looking good, which is a good sign because you kind of wonder,

like, when your boy gets locked up or whatever. Is the fan base necessarily going to stay as interest as they were? But it seems like you still are moving very strong. They're doing okay. They're doing good, actually, but they can be doing better. Right. Always can be progressing, but, you're doing it. I'm just taking it day at a time, bro.

Right. I'm going to keep giving your own music, hoping you all I love this shit. Right. You know what I'm saying? Definitely. How many projects do you think that you try to drop a year? On average.

One, two? See, I came in this year with a big, I wanted to drop at least like four tapes this year. Wow. But I got people in telling like, yeah, that's too much. You know what I'm saying? Like two, three, three. be cool.

But on top of that, I'm going to be dropping EPs, too. So it ain't just no big thing. I'm going to be driving like little EPs in between and shit and, you know what I'm saying, doing shit like that. I'm going to give you on some music, man. It's a fine line because on one hand, you really want to, like, just flood the streaming services because that's just going to pad your checks for however long

it's just going to keep kind of adding to it. If you've got 10 tapes instead of one, you can be making more on average. But then at the same time for the fans, you really want to like make them focus on certain projects or certain songs. For sure. So that's what I'm learning now, like working with Empire and shit. Like, you know, it's funny.

We would just, we just do some shit and drop it, bro. That was our thing. We just dropping this shit. They know more what time to drop. What's the good, you know what I'm saying? Like they know everything. They know a lot, bro. They help a lot with this shit.

Marketing-wide, my marketing shit is serious. Right. You know what I'm saying? So they're doing. They're teaching us this shit right now. Yeah, I noticed you coming in with a little PR team today. Yeah. No, I'm moving around my babies.

They're helping you move around, like, knowing what the right shit you should be doing with your time is and shit? No, for sure. That lady right there? Yeah. She's doing a lot, man. Okay. And there's people behind the scenes. Okay.

It's doing a lot. So that's not your girl? No. Okay. Well, I don't. It's my role manager. I don't know. It's my role.

manager, bro. She's pissed. She's giving me the stank face right now. She's like, I ain't fucking with him. No, that's my role manager though. She got everywhere with it. For sure. Then I got my other manager on top of everything while she's not here. Shut out Chelsea. Right. She's doing it. She was from Empire. So you try to, do you spend a lot of time at home or do you spend more time on the road? Like, what do you feel is more beneficial? On the road, it ain't shit at home. I'd be trying to move around as much as I can, brother. Right.

You know what I'm saying? It's time I go home. Couple days, chill, relax. But, I'm trying to get on. I don't want to be there. Right. You got a lot of shows and shit? Somewhat. I'm booked. That could be booked more, but I'm booked. Right.

What part do you like the most, though? The recording part or the performing? I love performing, bro. Like it's just Especially when you got that good crowd And they really fucking with you Like that's there ain't no other That's the best feeling in the world to me

Right That's why I was thinking When I seen everybody at South West Southwest And I'm seeing people performing for these dead ass crowds And I'm just like oh my God That is the fucking worst I mean that's the part of being You know that's the part of the come up

They all went through it Those are all people who could become your potential fans But God that shit is painful When you already have a fan base and then you're still performing the people who don't go fuck. I say, man, let something be too dead. Yeah. Were you a South by? I wanted to do that.

Yeah, I was there. How was it? It was dope. It was a dope-ass experience. Right. You know what I'm saying? How many shows you play in the weekend? Week or whatever it is.

Five shows. The best one was the Empire State, though. I'm a lot. That bitch was lit. Really? That was the biggest one. Shut up, guys. Yeah, that makes sense.

You kind of got, kind of got, like, a large, large percentage of all the underground. When I was on there, where I was on there with some big artists, bro, like, damn, they're right up under. Like, baby face right, you know what I'm saying, money, man. Mm. You know, even trade a true stop by on some unexpected shit. That's literally. You know what I'm saying? O.G. Bobby Billions, he was on there, too.

You feel competitive with all the other Detroit artists coming out right now, or is it all of? No, it's all up, bro. A little bit of competition. I feel like, we go. This shit gonna do what it's gonna do, bro. Right. I'm trying to stay in my line and still figure me out. I'm work as hard as I can, bro.

Right. I'm trying to make everybody proud around this bitch. I ain't doing this shit for me, man. We're doing this shit for the arm team. On a scale 1 to 10, how strong is the unity in Detroit? It's big. Yeah. I'm honestly, it's Detroit big as is, bro.

Like, more and more artists coming together. Right. Now, it's shit. It's politics that You know, shit never happened You know what I'm saying? But that's the politics Within the streets

But as far as like majority of the artists A lot of these niggas working together And that's dope Yeah, because you know Every city realistically at this point Has like drill type rappers Talking about all this crazy shit But that is kind of interesting thing

About Detroit is that Most of the artists who are really making moves right now Are not really talking about You know People directly. You might be talking about some, I'll shoot this bitch up, but they're not talking about I'm going to shoot this person. Oh, on that disc music.

Oh, we ain't on that. We want to make you get some money. We want to make you laugh. We want to make you dance. Shit like that. Yeah, there's more longevity in that. Yeah, bro, that's all it is. I mean, we say some fucked up shit sometimes, but who don't?

It's reality, bro. Who do you think says more fucked up shit you were Rio on average? Rio got me beat. Yeah, do you think that you're saying less offensive shit now that he's fucking locked up? No, but he got me beat. There weren't that many bars on this tape that I heard that I was just like, ugh, that's horrible.

Whereas I've had a lot of that listening to you on my life. I can't believe he just said that. And listen, that just goes back to me and Rio, bro. Like, that's why that goes back to where Rio is. Rio, he got me beat. He'll fuck around and go in there and say some shit. You'd be like, but I got to go. I got to say some dumb shit.

Like, I got to. I got to say some fuck. up shit like yeah he didn't make you do that it's important um okay what the biggest ad lib in in rapper music right now bitch bitch i feel like you kind of like breed new life into the word bitch man that's shit crazy i i don't even really no under i don't even remember how this shit began bro right i this shit it was like dude and ain't like pitch you got to say that in front of every song now so it was like it started at e-house michel Which is weird because that's like a lot of rappers adlib over the year,

but you say it in a very distinctive way. It's the voice. You couldn't mistake it for like Too Short. No, for sure. Made a lot of money off saying bitch over the years. For sure. But it's like you would never mistake the Too Short bitch from the RMC. Mike bitch. I want to do a song with you.

Let's do it and let's call it bitch. I think he got a studio in downtown LA. They could definitely make that happen. It only makes sense. That would be legendary. Let's do a song called bitch, me and two short. Nobody's brought the bay in Detroit together like that. Come on, man.

Eons. That makes sense. We need to make that happen. Too short you see this shit, we need to make that happen, bro. I heard a bar from you that said, make the bitch suck dick and totter English, too. Yeah. Really?

Yeah. Where are you meeting these women who don't even speak English? Moving around. You know, I'm in big cities now. Life of a Pimp, of a player. I ain't a player. I'm just single. No.

kids. I don't know what the... You're single. Hell yeah. It's very rare that you meet a rapper who would admit to being single. A lot of rappers live like they're single, but then meanwhile, they got a girl yelling at them on FaceTime all day. No, I mean, I talk to people. I talk to people.

Everyone talks to people. I talk to people. Right. But I ain't, as a relationship, I'm not in a relationship with no one. Why'd you and the last girl break up? Shit. Is it? I mean, it's not like I'm going to be able to fact check you.

I came here with it already on my sin, man, that nigga Adam. He'd be asking you some questions, my nigga. He box you in real quick. Right. But if we be honest, I couldn't stop cheating. Yeah, that's why I was going to guess. Get a boy shit. And it was, I ain't going to lie.

It was like, that d'n't know. That d'nick said get off boy shit. But no, that's what it was. That's what it was, bro. I just couldn't stop cheating. It's fucked up. Hey, man.

But shit, I had my heart broke before, too, so. You're young. You only live once. I'm getting old. Now, no, so. I feel like it. It's hard to find a girl worth not cheating on. No, for sure.

There's a lot of opportunities out here. I just look at it like this. Like, most people that's locked in that I grew up around, they're doing like high school sweethearts and shit, been together since high school, 19, you know, y'all locked in by that time. Right. I was never locked in with a female with that long.

Right. I mean, hey, I think it's important to interact with your fans. And there's no better way to interact with your fans than having sex with some of them, you know? That's what you're going to be fucking. Hell no. I ain't fucking no podcast fans. No podcast. Why not?

I mean, maybe. You probably got some of the best fans. Yeah, I mean, it's like 95% dudes. But besides that, there's got to be some cuties in there. You got to be a couple cuties. I don't know. I'm off the market. I don't know.

Yeah, that's dope. Right. What you got going on, dope. Yeah, this is a different. It's a different thing. We hustling together. What made you want to get on that Fuji sample on the new project?

The beat. It was strictly the beat, bro. I heard it. I'm like, man. Right. Come on. See, that's how it is. Like, I don't sit there and listen to those beef.

I want to listen to this bitch down there's 60 seconds. It's going to tell me right off in the rap on this bitch or not. It just heard it. Even though that's like a very, different style of beat than what you normally fuck with that. Yeah, that's what I'm on now. Like, that's what I was telling you. You're like, challenge yourself?

Yeah. That's exactly what I'm trying to do, challenge myself. You spoke to Lauren Hill about that? No. Empire did that? No, it was just a beat that popped up, bro. Right. We was in this two and it just popped up.

Somebody had to sign off on it, though. Hey, we made it work. Yeah, for sure. I notice one thing in your lyrics that really stands out to me too is that you seem to really believe in fucking off perks Yes Like that really just supercharges the activity And I see it yeah

At first it wasn't all that fun But now I was like Because when I first started taking perks I used to be so high, I'd go to sleep Really But now I ain't like that It's just kind of like numbs you so you can get in the groove That's all it is

truck ride and bust quick without a perk There's been times where I like Busted too fast and I was like God damn I gotta get one of these perks These rappers are talking about Yeah You're not necessarily It just fuck it

You do shit Wait your little five to seven minutes To go back year Right You slow down with the lean and the drugs After Rio got locked up Oh yeah Really

Because now you kind of have to like Be your own boss a little bit more Have your own motivation a little bit more For sure And then you know It just come on That was my brother. He damn there ain't going to do shit.

I said, I gotta get high with him. You guys kind of encouraged each other? Basically. So I was like, fuck it. But no, I don't do it as much. I still sip airy woo-woo. Right. But it ain't no airy day like it was.

I fuck around with the perks to you. Peezy fell back. Yeah, I'm proud of it. You see all that weight he loses to it. It was way. He's looking way better. When he came into the interview, I was like, I know something looked different about him.

Then I'm watching all the videos, and I'm like, oh, wait, he was fat as fuck for a while. I'll show you how that he had. Them drugs or do you. You got to think about it. He was on that shit for so long. Were you guys drinking a lot of lean before you met him? Hell yeah.

Oh, right. My old lean is just, you know, niggas is down there boring into the culture of that shit. Pisi seemed kind of hurt, though. He really doesn't want to do it because of the, the fact that he knows is bad for him, but then he still loves it. He just knows he can't really be in love with it.

It's the taste that hook you, bro. Like, to the point. And then this shit, the lead on different now, bro, like even coming straight out the pharmacy, bro, they're cutting that shit, and all the type of shit. Shit ain't as strong as it used to be.

Really? For real. There's too much. There's too much to deal with, for real. That's another thing why a niggas laid back. Niggas scared. Niggas are cutting you and shit. On top of the pharmacy cut, you know, shit.

It's just too much, bro. People overdose on our fake drugs out there a lot. Where I wear in Detroit sweat? You hear about that a lot out there? You hear about all the time out there. Not really. I know a couple. You know what I'm saying?

And one of my little homies is a little mini bad coping gone for a little bit of a little. That Michigan immune system. The fentanyl can't do none. That shit fucked up, bro. Yeah. Shit is fucked up for sure. Okay, so what else are you doing the time at this point, aside from just making music and everything? What are you going to have any hobbies we need to know about?

Yeah, I got some hobbies. I'm glad the weather, getting back good, back home. It's getting a little bit better for shit. You know, I like the drag race. Oh, really? Yeah, like that's a big thing I was born into for it. And me and my pop's got a drag. I got a race car.

Really? You go to the race track and do us? Yeah, we go to the race track. Oh, wow. The real track, race track. You and your pop still do this together? Hell yeah. That is dope.

Hell yeah, that's a big thing. Balling. A lot of people don't know I know the ball. Really? I wouldn't necessarily guess that. I know the ball. I know the ball. I know the ball.

I whoop a nigga ass. Respect. That's dope. Do you really have a gay doctor? No, I was just talking shit. I don't know shit because, you got a joke. You don't actually.

show doctor them personal questions. Who you sleep with? You never know what the fuck that motherfucking doing back home. I don't know. Right. That's hard. But not knowing, no, I ain't got no gay doctor. It just sounded like the right thing that said. You said like, I got a new doctor. I got a gay doctor.

Yeah. I had to switch my doctor. I really switched my doctor. Really? Yeah. Why, just stopped handing the scripts over? No, it's just because, bro, at first I was just dealing with it. You know, that guy you like, I really can't understand.

Andy for real. I'm like, y'all got to get me somebody I can understand, bro. I didn't talk to. He knew English, but it was like, I just... Was he Indian or something? Yeah, some shit like that.

I'm like, man, I can switch my shit. Yeah. I need somebody I can understand, brother. Yeah. You walk in there and it's fucking Steve Harvey. I'm going to keep coming back to you for the rest of my life because you got a good vibe.

We got a good rapport here, you know? No, for sure, for sure. Yeah. Steve Harvey should definitely open up a small practice He should. I don't know why. He just seems like the kind of guy I would like to kick it around. Well, he's coming there as your dog.

He'll be fucked up. Yeah, I was watching like... Yeah, he didn't even worried about you. Just got shot three times. He's just like, it's Steve Harvey. You know, I was watching, like, best of Steve Harvey on the Price's Right or whatever. Man, this motherfucker is so funny. Like, I never watched that shit, obviously, but he is so funny.

Like, his facial expressions and shit are just unbelievable. Oh, gee, nigg. I think they plant contestants on that shit to make it funnier, though. They plant people to say stupid shit. Yeah, you know it is. Because some of it's just too funny. Like, it can't. This can't be real.

Man. Mm-hmm. All right, so you got the new project out. What else we got to look forward to? I'm looking forward to the drop her EP soon. Okay. You know what I got to tell you? I came up with a name.

I was called the Ghetto Assassin. Mm. So I'll be looking for that real soon. I'll be giving you all that. Right. You know, I'm still working on that. I'm already working on that senior shit. Yeah.

Sear's seeing looking good. Nice. So you're going to do a whole separate project with that, or are you going to sprinkle it into your other shit? I'm going to sprinkle it into that. That's going to probably, that's going to be the last of my little. You know, I started with rookie. I'm in my end with senior.

Okay. Then we just going to figure some of shit out as we go. By the time I come out, I'm trying to be working with bigger artists. and shit like that. You know, you said senior, and I thought you said singer. Oh, senior. Because I know there's going to be somebody pointing it out that I just thought that we had

a little miscommunication there. Even though you breeze right faster, like it was nothing, I'm like, fuck. Senior, see, easy. Okay, but what about the R&B music? The R&B music. I might, I probably thought, that's more like, I might throw him at y'all on, like, an EP or something. Okay.

Because, like, I want to stay true to my fads when I drive, like, real serious, like, albums or you know what I'm saying so you got a empire to get you a Beyonce feature oh that'll be big I feel like they could do that right yo B what else are they doing? I just need eight bars man I just need an A bar hook but she's gonna make you clean up all the lyrics what I'm gonna go there and not cuss at all I was reading about some artists who cleared a Beyonce sample and they had to completely rewrite their lyrics yeah Pavia O'Forn I think that's crazy I wonder if he did it by itself Hell not,

the label I didn't. No. He wasn't writing a fucking email. Hey, Beyonce, can I get this sample cleared? No, I'm talking about

rewriting this verse. Oh, rewriting it? I mean, shit, you just take the offensive shit and say something else

that rhymes, right? That is easy as you think it is. Really? Hell no, now when you, especially, most likely it was like

a real song, so you're talking about a certain shit. Yeah. So it's kind of hard to revise some shit. Yeah, I mean,

It depends on who you is. It might not be as hard as to other people as to me. I mean, your bar is like you're sort of like rapping fast and like cramming it all together. I feel like it could be hard to replace that, but a lot of rappers, the flow is a little bit more spread out. You are right? Makes sense. What am I talking about? RMC. Mike, I appreciate you coming in, man.

I appreciate you, brother, for having me for the second time. No doubt. We're going to do it again someday. Yes, sir. Appreciate you. Everybody go check out his shit on Spotify, Apple Music, all that shit. everywhere rmc mic on rmc underscore mike on instagram run my guy up on youtube and all that shit as well yes sir appreciate you man i appreciate too no jumper coolest podcast in world check us out on

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