No Jumper - The Ronny J Interview

Episode Date: October 14, 2019

Ronny J, producer best known as the sonic anchor to South Florida's rambunctious hip hop scene, sat down with Adam22 to touch on how his career exploded and how he ended up in the "middle" of the Eminem vs MGK beef, plus his relationships with Denzel Curry, XXX, Skimask, Pump and more. --- FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://spoti.fi/2vi9lsD CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper and iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 and follow us on Social Media: http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm follow Adam22 as well: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and follow adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. Today, I'm very, very happy to bring the world an important interview that has been long overdue. This podcast is oftentimes sort of credited as being like a SoundCloud rap podcast, or at least we came from that. You basically, Ronnie J. Were like the pioneer of that kind of sound, even before X and Pump and the whole era that people kind of call SoundCloud rap. You were sort of there from the very beginning of that. Yeah, definitely. I was always there since, like, day one.

I definitely think that, you know, I was a part of like the whole like explosion of like SoundCloud. Like, you know, like the like it's like, it's like, what do you call it? It's like prime. You know what I'm saying? Like I was definitely a part of like the prime of SoundCloud. And I don't think it's anywhere where it used to be anymore. So I agree with that. We can get into that.

But I just, I'm interested in the early days because it's like you, when you think about you and Denzel, was that like the first person Florida that you actually did stuff with who had any kind of name because threats for those who don't know i mean you do know because if you heard you would recognize it even if you don't know the actual name of the song but threats was like in in my mind that sort of like ushered in what sound cloud rap was to be after space goes perp yeah that uh denzil curry was definitely like the first person that i like linked up with out of south florida that's something actually came out of you know what i'm saying and uh threats was like the first song that you know we had that like just weren't viral right that was that was a song that like just took everything

of. Right. So how deep into the music side of things were you when you went to, like, at that time? Because a lot of people would be like, oh, Jersey, it's right next to New York. There's probably a lot of opportunities there, but were they like opportunities that you weren't necessarily feeling? I mean, bro, like, when I first graduated high school, like, I didn't know what I wanted to do.

So I wasn't even like, I wasn't even producing yet, you know. I just wanted to get out of Jersey. So I was like going to school for like criminal justice at that point. And then one of my friends from back home, he was making beats and he was just like blowing up with it. So he's the one that like inspired me, you know, to like even want to do it. Like I always been playing drums my whole life, but he's the one that inspired me, good work Charlie to like, you know, for me to be producing.

And did you say that at first you thought that making beats was kind of like this nerdy thing where you'd just be sitting on the computer and shit and then you kind of like unlearn that mentality? Yeah, that's exactly what I said. It's crazy. I mean, that's how I used to like, yeah, that's how I used to see it, you know? I didn't think it was like, oh, like, that's lame, but like I just didn't really see me doing that. You know, just being on the computer.

Like, you know what I'm saying? So it's kind of funny how, like, how things turned up. Well, I think it's funny too because I think that if you're going to make something out of yourself in life, that you have to really get into that mentality of, like, working your ass off and being willing to kind of like being a nerd for however many years it takes. Like that's not true for anything as much as it is producing, really, because it's like, if you want to get to be a good producer, you realize that you're going to have to spend at least like a year, a couple of years just post it up learning. Yeah, like you got a lot. lock in and like that's that's what I totally did you know what I'm saying like at one point I felt like I didn't even have a life like I hated my life you know because I was just like

so dedicated to this you know and just like I just wanted to make it so bad so like yeah just countless hours that's sacrifice so you go down to Florida and then you're not really filming the school thing but are you starting to like go to shows or like what's your opinion on hip hip hop out there um so like honestly like before I went to south Florida like I never really attended shows like that, you know, it just wasn't a thing. Like, my group of friends, like, in Jersey, like, we would go to clubs and parties, but like, never, like, really rap shows. Right. So, yeah, like, once I got down there and I linked up with Denzel, you know, I got, you know, introduced to the whole underground scene and like, you know, that was like

when A set Rocky first came out, the whole ASEAT mob thing, you know, Raider Klan. So that was all new to me, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, that whole, like, it just felt like an underground world that like the mainstream just wasn't really aware of yet. Yeah, and it was like it was weird because it was like all of a sudden that Florida, that SoundCloud era, all of a sudden made it like underground rap felt really, really cool in that moment. Like it just felt different. I remember going to see like Wi-Fi and pump and and like young semi like maybe six months before pump started blowing up. And it was like the energy in that room and just a random ass, I think it was in West Palm Beach or something. The energy was insane.

And it just felt like, holy shit, this is really important. And like, there's so much interesting shit going on out here. Yeah, no, for the same way. Like, it was definitely, like, like, something fresh and new. You know, like, it felt like we had the power. You know what I'm saying? Like, we had the power of just, like, of, like, gaining attention from the masses. Like, that's what it felt like, you know?

Right, definitely. So when you were looking at, so how did you meet Denzel? So I met Denzel carry through a mutual friend from one of the colleges that I attended. Okay. And, um. And Denzel's, like, basically unknown at this point. But did you hear his stuff and you were... No, I mean, I totally had no idea.

But, like, he for sure was known. Just like on the internet, though. The Raider Clan and just like YouTube and like a little SoundCloud stuff. Not like the way we are, no, I'm now, but he definitely had a Florida buzz for sure. He definitely had like, yeah, he definitely had some buzz to where it's like, all right, like, I wanna work with him.

I see, you know, he has a big future. Right. So like that was that. But yeah, so I met him through like one of the homies and he was like, yo, I know about this kid named Denzel Curry from like the hood out here in Miami. and we just like linked. I think Simi had like a video shoot

and then my homie like drove me over there and Denzel was there and that was the first time we linked up. And so did you guys hit it off on like a personal level or was it more just like a musical thing where he needed a good producer at that time and you were hungry for for a rapper who could do justice the beats you were making?

Yeah, I think it was more like about like the music you know what I'm saying? It wasn't really like super personal just yet but it became personal because it was like a everyday it was like a lifestyle thing. You know like once like once we dropped threads and we realized like our bet like this could be like a career for us then it became like you know like you know like a part of our everyday routine right so you guys were recording a shit load back then

yeah yeah we always been like working yeah did it did it spiral into like you working with a ton of other artists from that scene like how did you eventually end up working with guys like x and skiing shit yeah so like i mean i never really like i never really planned on just being like for one artist just like you know how like a artist has like their one producer vice versa so i never really planned for it to be like that but you know from me working with denzil making great stuff that that made everyone else want to work with me too that he was around from south florida so yeah it just kind of like trickled down to everybody else you know they just like heard like oh rani ronnie ronie whatever distortion all that so right so in terms when you say distortion it's interesting because

it's like a lot of people when they think about like distorted rap music they think about x and they don't necessarily like go back and trace it to like sgp or denzel or all these different sounds were kind of coming out at that time was there any kind of like conscious conversation between you and denzil about what he wanted aesthetically that he wanted something grimyer that had that sort of distorted vibe to it um i think bro like i think when i first went down there and i realized you know i learned about rid of clan and stuff like that i think like my sound and like their sound it's just like it just like it's just like fused together bro you know i'm saying like i for sure paid attention i realized like okay like their sound is more like dirty like underground it's not super

clean. And then when I was making beats, when I first started making beats, I was just making them, you know, just like not even trying to overthink it. And it just came out like that, you know, because like I never knew how to mix. So, you know, everyone thought I was doing things on purpose, but really, like, I didn't know what I was doing like that, you know. See, that's interesting because a lot of like the rappers who came out and people were sort of, you know, credited in them with doing all this distorted beats and shit like that. You know, there was like certain pump songs where the bass just sounded so crazy. But it seems like almost Almost everybody sort of like cleaned up their style over time.

And then, you know, and you have seen stuff like you've seen, like, am I right that Kanye kind of like took the distorted bass thing and ran with it to a certain extent too? I mean like when though? Like recently or? Past couple years, yeah. Past couple years. But not in the exact same way, but I feel like he sort of, and a few other like people, they kind of like adapted some of that feel without maybe necessarily making it so abrasive.

Got you. As far as Jay, like I'm not really sure. Like I know yet and like I've been around him like personally. So like I just know like he's so like in his own world, you know. Like he's definitely like aware, you know, as you can see he worked with pump, you know, Melly. So like he's, he's aware, but he's so like in his own world as well. So like I know for a fact he was like he was for sure inspired by X, you know, like the stuff

that we did and stuff like that. But I'm not really too sure about the distortion part of him. So you go from working with Denzel, how do you end up meeting X and skiing in that whole shit? Because I'm sure that there's stories associated with that time period. It's crazy bro. So, you know what I mean Denzel? we were working at that at that point i moved in with him um inside the ult house that's we like to

call it the ult house like a unity type of thing it felt like a clubhouse you know like a frat house so you know time passed by and then um we had this house party and ex and ski someone told ex and ski that they can perform at our house party so they just like pulled up and they thought they were gonna you know just like go crazy and then zelle was just like nah like y'all can't perform here but y'all could come in so then that was like the first time we met them and it was cool like you know it's a house party vibe whatever I don't really like remember like really interacting with them like that night so I was hell of lit but um yeah bro then after that I remember like they came back like the next day or a few days later and uh they were just

like talking with Denzel and like Denzel was just like trying to like give them game you know what I'm saying because at that time Denzel was like bigger than that and they were so raw and like did that stand out like holy shit these dudes are crazy it was crazy bro like it was kind of like they came to a party you know what I'm saying and then like I don't know like Denzel just kept playing their music and like Like, you know, like when Denzel loves somebody, he just, like, you know, he'll let you know. So he just kept playing her music and I'm right there. So I'm like, yeah, I fuck with it.

Tell him slide, you know. So then once they came, the second time that they came, that was the, that was the first time he asked me to a song. Oh, really? Yeah. Which song was that? It's called In the Dirt. Okay. Yeah.

And it was one of the early ones on his SoundCloud? Nah, so I think I dropped it on my SoundCloud. Oh, okay. So it's Yoshi Tompkins featuring X produced by me. Okay. And so what was your, wait, before you. met him did you know him as being a dude who was fucking people up in these videos that were going viral on twitter and shit i i knew like yeah like everything happened so fast kind of but like um

i knew that like yeah like it's like he's a little crazy reckless kid yeah because i always think about that how it's so crazy that he's considered to be you know like one of the most influential rappers of the generation but i literally knew about him for like a couple months from just being like that little fucking dude who's fucking people up on twitter and just you know there was because there's like when you watch those videos it's like you see rob banks like in the video and shit so it's so obvious that this is going down like at florida rap shows and that like it was just so fascinating to me i was kind of like discount that when i talk about like when i met him and stuff that i kind of known about him for a little while even though i didn't know his name and uh it's crazy yeah um i mean before like the party i don't really know too much about them um i was honestly surprised i was like damn like i didn't know like there was like other kids like right around our way just like doing our thing too you know i thought it was like just us and i really just like you know made me real

like how much influence we had down there too you know because like they were inspired by everything that we did as well so right what was it like working with exa so did you stand out to you in terms of just his fucking manic intense personality to like make any particular impression on you when you were working together or did he just jump on whatever beat you played for him um so yeah like working with him is definitely one of a kind is you know my all-time favorite um i can't compare it to anyone else the energy for sure is you know um um uncomparable you know what I'm saying uh he's He for sure has influence, you know, in my life, my music. And really, he was just like, you know, just always like one of the realists with me, you know,

because like I make music as well. And like he just always, like, supported that, you know? Not just like, O'Rani beats, beats, beats. Like it wasn't like that. Right. You know, he's really like, he's really like on a more like personal level. It wasn't just like music. He wanted to make music together and not just hop on a beat.

Sometimes he would though. Like he was so diverse, bro. You know, he went from heavy distortion to like just all type of stuff. you know, like pop stuff, like, you know, radio hits. Right. And I remember being surprised when, like, his albums came out and they had so much soft music on it. But really, it's like, even when I did that interview, he asked me straight up, he's like,

you heard my rock stuff, right? You heard my acoustic shit. Like, you, like, from day one, he was, like, trying to go outside that rapper category. Yeah, no, for sure. Yeah, I believe that. He always had, like, diverse stuff, you know? It's just like the heavy distorted stuff was just like, you know, kids want to rage. Like, that's what they, that's just when was, like, more popular.

in the beginning so definitely what about ski though he make an impression on you because i feel like ski sometimes gets under discussed because like ski really what he's accomplished is incredible and his music's amazing and it's like he's made such a big imprint it's like he's benefited from being ex's friend but at the same time it's kind of weird to be sort of like in in the shadow of that in a way you know i feel that um i think they're both like equally talented like in their own ways you know they both bring great things to the table and i think it was like a really like a really like beautiful thing bro like just seeing them like together you know because like not everyone like seen that or like was around that you know i know at one point you know people

seeing that they kind of had like whatever issues but like i know deep down the side they really do love each other they always have and like their brothers like that's how i met them you know together yeah i think in a situation like that it's important it's almost like a reminder is that you know don't don't have petty beefs with your friends yeah no definitely not and you know you should always forgive everyone no matter what you know i'm saying even if you you don't got to be cool with them you know always forgive them and just make sure you tell your loved ones that you love them because like anything is possible facts so do you remember when when their music started really blowing up as particular songs that you were produced for them because it must have been like the song like those must

have been some of your biggest songs at that time blowing up right what was that whole process like um i mean so like one of the biggest ones is sipping tea right and yeah that was like insane like i remember that day It was like a summer, summer day. And I was just in my room, just like cooking up, you know, just like making a beat. And the bass was so crazy, bro. Like, it just like, I was like, I knew that it was something, you know? Because I remember just being in my room and being so excited about it. And then he just like got home because at that point he was like living with me.

Right. Living like with me, Denzel. And he just like walked in my room. It's like, yo, Ronnie, I think I got something for this. And that was at the time when he was like beefing with Perp, Speakers Purp. So that. Inspired a lot of angry ass music. Yeah.

Yeah, honestly, bro, like back around that time, like, he was just like, he was like doing all that on purpose. He just knew, he knew that, okay, like, if I talk shit about this dude is going to go viral on the internet. You know what I'm saying? Because people love, you know, people love that type of energy. But that's very early and he was very young to know that it would have that kind of effect. Yeah, like he, like, bro, like, he just always knew what he was doing. Like everything, he always knew, bro. Damn, that's interesting.

Yeah, it's crazy. Okay. Okay, and so, but, like, in particular, like, a lot of his weird lyrics kind of stand out, like, sipping tea. You ever actually see him drink tea? It was kind of hard to imagine. Nah, but I think he was talking about, like, the Arizona. Oh, really? Because, like, bro.

That makes sense to me. Bro, he loved going to the corner store. Like, he would walk to the corner store and get, like, the hot popcorn and, like, just mass snacks and candy. Like, yeah. That's so funny to picture him being able to do that because, like, the latter part of his life, he couldn't really just go to the corner store. Like, it was all good. Hell not. But it's crazy, bro.

There's so much we could say. him but that was also back when I think it was like a little meme with like the little frog sipping tea you know oh yeah so it was like around that time and I think he was on he was on a vibe like nigger like I'm on your block chilling and I'm sipping tea what up right you know so you don't know who the white bitch you gotta throw a fuck that Starbucks was right that shit probably real though probably was right yeah yeah I think that was like the first lyric I ever heard from then I was like what the fuck that's a weird ass thing to say who is this dude yeah that's crazy so so talk about your life

life change in there too because I mean you must have gone from somebody who didn't have a lot of money to somebody who had a whole shitload of money pretty cool pretty quick there right it was cool I mean it was a long time of not having anything especially like in florida too because i don't have any family there so i was just like couch surf and like just stay wherever you know wherever i can and stuff like that but yeah like around that time i still didn't have money to be honest with you and then me and denzel made the song ultimate and then that kind of went like a little bit more mainstream in the way you know what i'm saying and And then we did like an Adidas ad.

And that was the first time I ever received like real money. Because a lot of times you're waiting for these checks from the streaming services and everything, right? And also did you not have your like paperwork and everything in place with a lot of the early music? Like did you not necessarily know how to structure everything? I mean there was no like there was no like paperwork. It was literally just we wouldn't even talk about that.

Yeah. You know, we just make music. And we just knew like anything that we dropped is going viral on SoundCloud, period. That's all we know. So you're just feeding out that energy. Yeah, literally just building it, you know. That's crazy. What'd you do when you got that first check from the commercial?

So like that first check was like 10,000. And I was in LA staying at like a hotel by the airport. And I don't know, but I for sure blew that shit. Probably with some drip, I don't know. Right. Yeah, clothes is the easy one. Jewelry. 10,000 though, you probably shouldn't buy jewelry.

Yeah, jewelry, no, yeah. That was like, no. But I mean, like, shortly after that, then I signed a deal with like this YouTube company and they started collecting and then i started making like i was making like 40 bands a month okay that's crazy that you didn't even have your publishing shit together but who'd you go create music group and they started just claiming everything on your behalf without you even having to have the publishing arrangements in place yeah but that's some futuristic shit it's crazy not i mean honestly bro like when they first approached me i got like an email and i didn't even like believe it i was like

man whatever like what you mean bro i'm gonna just be sitting home collecting a check every month for at YouTube and then the first month was like, I don't know, bro, like 6,000. And I'm like, this shit crazy. And then this shit, you know, just kept going all the way up. I probably hit like, I don't know, 60 tops. Maybe I don't know. Wow. In a month, bro.

That's amazing. Yeah. That's dope. So were you, like, do you feel like once you start having that success, is your mentality, like, I want to really walk in and try to do as much music as possible with these guys that I've been coming up with? Or were you looking at it sort of more like, damn, all right, like, I did that. now I want to figure out different people to work with.

That's honestly a good question. I feel like I could have always took advantage of like, you know what? Let me just lock in and like link up a pump, Herb X and like, yo, come on. Like, how about my beats? How about my beats? But like I've never done that ever with any of them. You know what I'm saying? It always was like super organic with me, like everything.

Otherwise, you know, I'll probably have more placements or whatever. You know what I'm saying? Like I don't chase. Like, you know, I like things to be super organic. So that's just that's all I know. How was it first meeting pump? Pump. Yeah, so like I remember this is like after I'm at Ex-N-Ski, like I was on Twitter, just

whatever, scrolling and I seen like- P-Short and- Shooting a gun out the window? Doing some crazy shit like that, bro. Like yeah. Like it was like around that time, yeah. They were just like, wilding out, bro, like in the middle of the street, hanging out the car or some wild shit. So I just hit them up and I'm like, yo, we gotta get in.

You know what I'm saying? At that time, like, Perp was like really taking off even more than pump. Yeah. And I'm like, you're just with it, you know? Because I guess like they knew, you know, Denzel Curry X. around DJ or whatever. So like they just stayed with it and then I just pulled up on them. I took my mic. I didn't have a mic stand. Just took the mic, everything I had. Wow. And we just made a song. So they were recording in the booth like they're doing a show holding the mic? Not even in the

bro. They were just sitting there in the room. Yeah, just sitting in the room holding that shit. That's crazy. That's crazy. It must have seemed wild for all that shit to be taken off on such a big level where we're used to like music blowing up because it's backed by labels and shit. And that was such a time where the shit was going up without any kind of help. Yeah. But like even like back then bro, like I never. Like I didn't, you know, like, like, bro, like, when you're living it in a moment, you never really realize how great it is until like time passed. And it's like, I did that. So, like, you know, I never really realized. And like, even like with X and like, like, I knew he was big and stuff like that. But, you know, like, I don't know.

You know he's big, but then, like, I was in the mall in Minneapolis the other day. And they got, like, a guy in the mall who's, like, all selling, like, sketches of pump or excuse me of X and peep and shit. And it's like, you know, and I'm just thinking about it. I'm like, this guy like literally just paints or draws whatever is going to sell the best. So he's got, you know, whatever celebrity is up there and stuff. And I'm like, that's so crazy that X is like what these kids are coming in asking for, that that's their hero that they want so bad. It's insane, bro.

But, you know, I don't blame them. You know what I think that's a great person to, you know, look up to them and stuff like that. That's what I call it our generation. It's like the way that you still will see a kid wearing like a Kirkobane shirt, you know, fucking Jimmy Hendrick's shirt. something shit like that. Like over time, it kind of even becomes less about the music

and it just becomes more about just being like this figure that changed the world and that's what matters. I agree, bro. And I think, you know, it's definitely like that now. It's going to continue to be like that, you know.

I mean, the whole situation is still just like really unbelievable. Yeah. And it's kind of weird from your perspective too because it's like you were making all this music in this completely organic setting and then because that music did so well, all of a sudden you have everybody in the industry hitting you up because they want to sort of be able to copy that formula that you were using there that, you know, to sort of be able to get that same energy that they saw you organically coming up with with people that you were actually friends with.

So what's that like once you start getting all these offers and there's like money being offered up and everything? But then it feels way less organic. You know, that's real, bro. It's funny because like that's a thing too. And that's something that like, you know, I dealt with like a little bit earlier on. And, I mean, you know, it was kind of just, bro, like, you know, like in this business, you want to have a good face card too. So it's kind of like you do things off of other people's faces, you know what I'm saying? Or you do it for the money.

So, you know, it's all situational. But I just like to get the job done, whatever it is, you know, if I feel, you know, if I feel it. Yeah. And it's interesting too, though, because do you feel like, you know, you were coming in the game with a lot of, like, originality as a producer? And then especially with producing pretty quickly, people will just start copying your shit nonstop. And you feel like that was kind of like a weird thing to go through where you're just a random kid one day. And then all of a sudden you see other producers sort of like figuring out the shit that you were doing and sort of making stuff that sounds like you're a beat. You ever listen to the radio and hear a beat?

And you're like, damn, that sounds a lot like some shit that I was making. Yeah, no, for sure, bro. So like, yeah, when we first started dropping shit, you know, I kind of felt like I was the only one with the whole distorted and all that, you know, like the hard, loud. And then, you know, time went on. X got bigger. Everybody got bigger. You know what I'm saying? More people heard the beat.

They want to know who made it. And yeah, I do believe that over time, you know, if you're a producer, you see that something's hot, you know, you're going to try to remake it, you know what I'm saying? And I mean, I guess like in the beginning, it kind of bothered me because I always want to be like, I always like to have my own lane, like my own one of one, you know what I'm saying? But then, you know, I kind of like learn to just like be happy about it, that people are even inspired.

And at the end of the day, like, there's only one of you anywhere. So it's like, it doesn't really matter what anyone else does, like, to get the real thing you gotta come in me. Do you ever look at the relationship that certain artists have with producers, like when you think about Drake and 40 or, you know, like early like Cardi and Pierre or whatever, whereas like, you know, art. And now, like, you hear about that a lot where artists want to get a producer and make them their producers so that they're not really able to just run around and do whatever. Is that the kind of thing that ever appealed to you or how you feel about those sort of situations? Yeah, no, like that never, that was never like even an issue or nothing, bro. I feel like I have that with literally like all the kids.

from South Florida. Like, you know what I have that. And like, they know that. Like, I'm like a go-to. You know what I'm like a go-to-you-hmm. And it's even like beyond music, you know, like we hang out. Like, I'm out to go play basketball at Punt right after this. Like, we do regular stuff too. You know what I'm saying? But- That's good to see you guys still kicking. I've seen you in the studio a lot. I've seen a bunch of more recent photos come out. Because there's been times where I was sort of worried, like I felt like Pump wasn't really kicking in with anybody. Like he was sort of being a little bit too closed off to other people and shit.

Yeah, I'm not going to lie, bro. Like, it'll be surprised like Pump doesn't really have anyone around. So like I'm happy that you know that like you know I'm even around because like you know I was there before all this shit anyway. So it's like I just know pumps the type of guy like he has whoever he really feels comfortable around. So it's brought that level like you know what I'm saying you can't really trust people all the ice and all that. You know I'm saying it's people always out here trying to get you bro. It's like you know. And it's crazy to think about like think about those early days where you guys were just you know hanging out in the house making music and stuff everything felt so simple where you

could just have a party have people just come over your house it's all good. You're not really like worried about people like that. And then in the course of like a year or two, you guys all just sort of went from just regular dudes to just famous as fuck where all of a sudden it makes everything feel a little bit more complicated in the sense that, you know, you don't want to just be having a conversation with a bunch of random people in the room. You can't just be having all kinds of different people coming over your crib to party and stuff like that.

I mean, yeah, bro, it's crazy because like it's like you have to be mindful, you know what I'm saying, if you're smart, you know what I'm saying? You don't want to get caught lacking. You feel I mean? Like, I learned a lot just from what happened, you know, with bro. You know what I'm saying? So it's like that right there has me move in a total different way, you know, especially because like him, like he wasn't flashy.

You know what I'm saying? Super low key. He was down the street from his crib, trying to buy a motorcycle. Like, you know, so it's like you just never know, you know. And I like wearing jewelry. So I always make sure I'm on point. But you know, like there's times like, you know, I like to do like regular shit too. Maybe I don't wear no jewelry, do some regular shit.

So. Do you feel like you can move around in a regular way if you sort of suit up in a normal way? like if you just throw on, you know, like a hoodie and sweatpants, like, are you, or do you feel like you can move around in the way that it's kind of comfortable? Because a lot of times artists sort of get to that point where they can't do that. I mean, I think I can, but to be honest, like, I'm never alone. Like, I don't really like being alone like that. Um, but, like, there's certain times, like, I might have to, like, go run like an errand or something, you know, but I don't know. I kind of like being with the bros. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's definitely,

like, a safe bet. Um. So, this whole time, were you feeling like, like you wanted to do your own thing as an artist as well or is that something that sort of emerge in your head later on um so i think i was kind of like off and on you know like man i kind of want to do this and kind of don't but at one point you know like once denzil started blowing up traveling the world i'm like man like i was still in the house and i'm like damn like i want more out of this i don't want to just be like behind a computer you know what i'm saying so i feel like i could bring more to the table as far as like you know um fashion like modeling or whatever like you know just I could be like a face.

So, um. There's a lot of hot producers or just dumpy-ass-looking dudes who don't look marketable at all. Yeah. So like, you're kind of like, you know, I got the look too, buddy. Yeah, so like, yeah, that's how I'm coming, bro. Maybe you didn't say buddy. No, I might, buddy. Nah, but bro, that's how I'm coming.

So like, you know, it's on that tip. Like, you know, I know what I bring to the table and I just want the world to know so I can get what I deserve and get what I want out of it. So it's like, yeah, like, you know, like I'm totally different from every other producer. Like, you know, I don't even consider myself a producer. I call myself an artist overall, you know? At one point I wanted to be an architect, so I could draw too.

I'm not like super artsy, but like, you know, I could paint and all that. I mean, if you can make a beat or if you can make a song, it's only a matter of time I think until you start thinking about what else you can make. You know, that's why we always, whenever I think of like an artist anything about architecture, I think about when Kanye

it was like, I'm gonna design hotels. Yeah, bro. And like, being around him, bro, like, you just learn so much, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's a real thing too. It's like, he's at a whole other level, bro. The way he moves, the way he thinks is just like, it's not regular, you know? Like, it's really levels to everything in life.

I think he could design great hotels. I just feel like his time has probably split between a lot of different things. Bro, he's designing stuff now, bro. Like, he's building stuff. I think he has, like, like, stuff like somewhere in Calabasasas somewhere, bro. Like, just like crazy, like weird, like structures that you can live in. Like, bro, he's working on mad stuff, bro, to make the world a better place. Like literally bro, he's trying to help with the Bahamas, like whatever happened with them.

Just like make life better bro. Like literally and it's like you're right, he does have a lot going on. So like I was just with him in Wyoming and I was at like one of the sweatshops for like easy or whatever. Right. It's closed and stuff. And he literally had like the studio set up like right in the middle. So he could just sit there record and look at everybody make the clothes. Like it's really. Yeah.

And you like making beats right there in that environment? Yeah, I'm right there like for everything's crazy. When you're making beats with somebody like him, are you coming in with a bunch of shit you already made or you start cooking up in front of them, typically? It's all different. Sometimes, like, he'll give me an idea and be like, yo, you know, go work on that.

I work on it, bring it back. Or, like, bro, it's free for all. Like, he's so open. I could say anything. I could be like, yo, bro, listen to this or whatever. Wow. Yeah. That's amazing.

It's crazy. Is there anybody else who you've worked with that really stands out as the most interesting or just fascinating people that you've been around through this whole thing? Kanye and X, those are pretty like extreme examples. Even with that, bro, like, I don't want there to be too many. So I think that's such a special place.

I can't give that to everyone. And, you know, everyone is special, like, in their own world, like, you know, in their own way. But those are two different people that just, like, touch a lot of people. And even, like, with the new stuff that Kanye is about to be dropping, I think, oh, that's great. And that's also going to speak to the world as well, in a positive way. Have you ever done a beat for Kanye or, like, did a part of it? a song with them and then you hear that song like a week or a month later and it's just so different because sometimes i've heard like leaked uh like songs that were supposed to be on his projects from

early on and then like holy shit it'll be like three different songs all mashed together or you'll hear a song and like the beat will just be completely changed like are you is that weird for you to like work so hard on something and then to have it just end up completely deconstructed in a totally different way yeah bro like the thing about this bro is in this industry you can't take nothing personal and if you do it then you're probably not going to make it far and someone like conya i think he brings around people that he feels that that actually has an understanding because if you know conya you already know how he works so you know even with the song i love it i remember we were in like amsterdam and i asked him i was like yo bro like let me put my tag in this and he was just like nah

so i was like then like fuck it but i didn't i didn't take it personal because i'm like whatever like you know eventually you know my tag will be in something you know like i don't think he really understood that was like you know like oh my god rani like that's such a thing right so you made that song with kanya and then he showed it the pump afterwards uh honestly bro like i don't really like i don't remember exactly the timeline but i do remember um on pump's 18 birthday that was when he did that was like when he recorded his part like his birthday like at the house um i kind of think yay like worked on it and then send it to pump and then like yeah i remember they premiered that shit at the pornha boards and the The second Pornhub Awards is this Friday.

So it's been almost exactly one year, assuming that they are doing the Pornow Awards on the same date, which I have no reason to actually think that. But yeah, I don't know. That must have been a crazy one to be attached to just because the memes were so strong with that video and stuff. Were you around for them thinking up that fucking video concept? Nah, I don't even, I know for a fact it was all, yeah, you know what I'm saying.

Pump's not thinking that shit off. Yeah, nah. But it worked out. Like, he was cooling that shit. It looked cool. But yeah. No, bro. It was a crazy thing to be a part of, you know, like any club I'm in, like all my friends, they know, you know what I'm saying? It was just like a cool time. Even now, it still goes up. Yeah. You feel I mean, like, yeah. People send me videos playing and listening to it, you know, it's cool. It's right to come up with a song that has a hook that is that.

Like vulgar. It's crazy. And that's insane. It's insane, bro. And like, I don't know. Like, I tell people, you know, when they ask me, like, oh, what do you do or have you done? Like, you know the song. Like, you know the song. Like, everybody knows it. Even if they barely speak English, they know. They know. that. Oh, that's so crazy to think about, man. That music is that powerful, you know? And that it comes from, like, just people hanging out, making music in the basement. Literally, bro, just like your thoughts, you know what I'm saying, the vibe. Definitely.

The song banded up with X. Did you guys actually make that song together, or how did that go down? So, yeah, that song, it was kind of like I made it in my room. I made the beat and I recorded my part in the room. Right. And then I kind of had that song just, like, hanging around. And I started working on the compilation tape. Oh, my God, Ronnie.

And I wanted that to feature like a bunch of artists that I work with. So me and X already had like a few other songs before that. So I don't know, I was just like, yo, let me just get bro in this. And it was cool because I sent it to him and he was like, yo, I'm gonna do it. And it took maybe like, I don't know, like, it takes time sometimes, you know, but he would always like check back in and be like, yo, Ronnie, I didn't forget. I got you. So I always appreciated that. And then even when he did it, he asked me, he was like, yo, bro.

So like, how do you want me to come on it? Like, I got the choose, which I thought was five, you know? Right. So I was just like, yo, like, I told him I want him to be like more like rap style. Like, da, da, that's it. That's so sick. So the girl that came up with the, the girl who did the OMG Ronnie thing was just a random-ass girl. You don't even know who it is?

Some random girl. So you could never, so there's no chance of her coming around and being like, yo, I need like all the money you ever made off every song. I mean, she tried. She did already? I mean, she tried to pull something. But I ain't going to lie, bro. I don't know her like that I have a friend that really knows her

you know what I'm saying so I kind of just like let him deal with that like whatever she has going on you feel me he can break her up exactly he'll just handle that you know what I'm saying I already got time to go back and forth she can't prove it either way right nah well there you go

we good yo I gotta admit I'm super curious about how you don't need to 6-9 to do that fucking Latin song the Bebe song yeah bro it's crazy because like people laugh a lot when I say like Everything is destiny. Like shit's destiny. Some things are just unexplainable. Some things just happen when they're supposed to. everything happens when it's supposed to, I believe. And some, like, a lot of great things, you know, that happen is just like, how the fuck that this happens?

It's like always unexplainable. I think that's the fucking best. But with 6-9, I was at this Kanye West studio, at his old studio. And just working. And my boy ran in the room. It's like, yo, 6-9 is outside. Six-nine outside. So I was like, yo, tell him come in.

And bro just walked in with like five securities and was just like, yo, it's good. Like, he was feeling the vibe, bro. And he was just like, yo, he was like, yo, I got, he said, he said, he said, something like like I think he had like another room booked but then he asked me if you could use my room so I was like yeah let's go like I know who you are let's get it and then um from there like we just viving viving and it's crazy because like even that day it was like people circling like the studio like looking for bro so like that was a crazy situation too I mean there's like a couple of different LA trips the six nine took and I remember there being like a early one where he was just

around a bunch of gangbangers didn't really have any security and stuff and I remember hearing like tory lanes talk about kicking him with him at that time and being like yo this fool was out there with no security. It was nuts. But then the next time he came after that was the time that he supposedly racked up like $100,000 security bill and was surrounded by like the U.S. Army the whole time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think it was kind of around that time.

Yeah. Because it was mad dudes there. And then even him, he wasn't really rolling with like mad, like friends. It was just like two kids that he would never even post that. You wouldn't even think he would be cool with it. Like that's saying. But they, everybody cool over there. And he came in.

And then I remember like he was already super big, obviously. So I just told him like, yo, my nigga, you need to make a Spanish song, bro. Like, you need to do this shit. Because I peeped that. Like, he started traveling to all the Spanish countries and doing crazy shows. So I'm like, bro, do a Spanish song. Boom. Then after that, we came up with Bebe.

And I remember he, like, he wrote down his lyrics like on the cereal box. Like he ripped it open. And so he was in a booth like this, like, holding a cereal box, like rapping. So you, you saw him write the song? Yeah, like him and his friends. Like, yeah. Okay. Because I mean, I've always, I know that as a producer, you don't ever want to snitch on

nobody but I've always kind of like heard people say that he didn't write his shit so I'm always interested about people who are sort of around when he was actually doing the recording process I mean bro like anybody can write anybody like you know I'm saying there's songs that have the dumbest like simplest lyrics there's songs I have complex stuff like with the flow itself is kind of the the difficult thing for a lot of people comes up with flows like you know I'm saying like now six nine for sure came up with lyrics even like for Kanye we did some stuff in Columbia like bro for sure does you know but it's not wrong to have like like

help either. You know, you might have a better idea to not do. And it might make the song go crazy. Let's do it. Do you think that the idea of doing a Spanish-type song was completely new to him at that point and he hadn't really thought about it? Yeah, it was, I think it was like really, really new. Like he said like, yeah, I was, he's like, yeah, like, you know, I've been thinking about it, but he never actually did it. So like, baby, he's the first one.

And we got a few more, but I don't know if they ever come out. And that song really stood out to me when I first heard it too, where I was like, oh my God, like, this is a real problem. Like, this dude can make hit songs that don't sound anything like gum up. It's insane, bro. I remember after we made this song, he was like, yo, Ronnie, trust me. 10 for 10, bro. It's gonna be 10 for 10.

And that shit was 10 for 10, bro. And even that, like, we made this song. And he told me, like, he was telling, you know, he talks, he was talking. He was telling me like, you know, he only goes to the studio like, like, twice, twice a month. Because like, you know, like, he's, like, he understood that like he's in it to make the bread because he knew that he wasn't going to be hot forever. But he also knew that like any song that like he ran with would be something, you know. So he would go in there and make one song and make that one song be something.

It's so weird how that worked out for him. Because I feel like for most people, if they try to just make one song and make that D song and push the fuck out of that song, it doesn't really work. It's usually dudes make 20 songs and they find one song that works and they push that. But even when I interviewed 6'9, when he didn't even have gum out and shit, I remember him saying, like, I don't only ever made, like, I forget what number he said, it was like eight songs or like some crazy low number that he had not really recorded much. At least he said. Like, bro, like, low key just, like, hack the industry, right?

for it's so crazy so it's crazy to think about that uh the six nine in pierre situation and i just wanted to ask you as a producer how you felt about that because i recently was doing an interview complex and they asked me how i felt about that situation and i was like man that was a fucking a weird situation that we haven't really seen pull up uh happen in hip-hop where the snippet came out and it had pierre's tag on it and then the full song came out and it was removed and at some point pierre just sort of had to be like i whatever like like like I'll take the money, but he didn't want that situation to play out like that. From your perspective as a producer, could you ever imagine that happening to you?

Yeah, I mean it happens. You know, it happens, bro. It's like at the end of the day, like not every artist wants a tag, you know, not every song needs a tag. I'm all about just like going against the green and like doing things that you're not supposed to do. So I'll throw a tag in on any type of song, on a Madonna's song. Like I don't care. But you know, not every artist wants that and you got to understand like it's their song too, you know? So like if you want to have you want to have a great relationship then you know just let it let it rock you know

I'm saying just make some type of agreement like even on baby I wanted my tag with six nine was like no bro trust me like you know like it's my first band and song I wanted to be like really like commercial whatever so I was with it and he was like he was like yo bro promise you for the next one you put the tag in and which it is so it's like that's crazy it's all like situational you know relationship base damn that's so crazy just because that must have opened up your music to a totally different market where you had people listening to your beats that had never really even heard it before. And I'm okay with that because, like, you know, I'd rather be rich and famous. Is that the mentality rich over famous?

I mean, yeah, like, I don't do this for fame, you know? But obviously, like, the more people that know you, the more income. You know what I'm saying? The more people you can touch. So my goal is to touch the world, you know what I'm saying, a very positive spiritual way. So, you know, I'm working on that, just, you know, but I don't do it for fame. Like, I do it because, like, it's what I love to do. You know what I'm saying?

It's like part of my life. It's my everyday life. Definitely. What was it like recording a bad baby? She's cool. Like she's like a little sis, you know, like real cool like young chick, you know what I'm saying? She's super like advanced for her age, you know, a lot of times you talk to her, you forget how old she is. She'd just be hella like, you know, like on top like she's just like she's like on top like she's just like she's like on top like she's like she's like cool like I could just kick it with her like she just you know she never tried beef with you? She always be getting mad at the rappers that she works with it. She's always flipping out on one of them. I was just waiting for her to get mad at Ronnie. She, nah, we're just like real cool, bro. Like, I don't know. I kind of feel like she had, like, a little crush in me, like, when she first met me.

But I don't know. Like, that's a little sis. Yeah. It's probably just like a big bro type of vibe. I don't know. Her mom crazy too. Her mom is so funny. Oh, man.

Her mom is hilarious. I totally forgot about her. Yeah. I did a vlog where I was talking to her mom and then the label hit me. It made me cut out a big chunk of it because she was just talking super reckless about how wilder daughter is. That's crazy, right. Yeah, like that the whole family, like, it's lit though. I met a lot of her family, you know what I'm saying?

She let. That's fire. Is there anybody in the industry that you think about and you're like, that's one person that I still haven't managed to get in the studio with that I really respect and I would really like to work with? Yeah, future. Shout out future. You know what I'm saying?

I never met him, but I'm very inspired by future and I can't wait to work with future. Do you have an ANR who tries to line shit like that up? I mean, yeah, I got different people, you know, that try to make things happen. But a lot of my plays, like a lot of whatever you see happen for me is like kind of just like off of me. Right. You just sort of go with it from more organic perspective. That or it's just like I make shit happen like for myself, you know, I don't really wait around for no one else. And like all placements that I get like 90% is on my own, 95%. So are there any producers you look at where you're like, I want to have a career like them?

Like where you really kind of have modeled yourself after what they were doing or the kind of moves that they made? I ain't gonna lie right now. DJ Mustard is flexing on a whole other level. So I don't know what bro's doing. I for sure want to flex like that. With that Roddy Rich video made an impression on you? He just put out a new one with him. That was a pretty balling affair, I think.

I didn't even see it, bro. I got to check it out, though. Yeah. That's what so. No, I seen mustard when I was in England for wireless. And I was like, damn, that's fire to fly all the way to England just so you can come out for one Migo song. He might have been playing on his own set as well.

Yeah, no, but like, you know, Not really, bro. I just want to be different. I mean, you know, like, I was always into Farrell, you know, growing up because, like, the ice cream, bait and all that. I love that. I used to buy the fake stuff back in the day. Not even just, like, on a producer tip because I didn't know I wanted to be that, you know,

but just, like, everything fashion, the fact that, like, he could sing and make the beat and, like, people would just accept it. I like that. But as far as, like, you know, I want to be able to, like, design my own world, continue to create that. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah. Eight or nine baby mamas, too.

That's one of the main things I think about before. future. He's just out here running the world. He's going to have a whole army, a whole country of his offsprings. He's going crazy, bro. I can't indulge in that though. That's too risky. You ain't made that much money on Spotify yet? Even if I do. That's not what you want to invest in? Yeah, I take like two. You know what I'm saying? I want to be my mom. Two. Man, that's so funny. Okay. And so I did have, I wanted to ask you about the tight beat thing because that's kind of, I feel like you were one of the first people that was like Ronnie J type beats and shit like that I really started seeing all the time so it was like and I read in an interview with you where you said that you don't really like

think that the type B thing is that great and about idea but I've also heard a lot of people say that that's kind of like the whole way that they got into the game yeah what's your thoughts on that and bro like there's so many different ways I feel about that but um so like in the beginning like I said before you know I always felt I always felt like as soon as I start seeing tight beats then it's like R-Bel like I made it to some type of you know whatever like people know what I'm doing. So I thought that was cool. In the beginning, I used to kind of be like, damn, like, you know, like, how can you be a legend if you're making tight beats? You know what I'm saying? You can make a hit. Anybody can make a hit, bro. You can make a beat right now and give

it to somebody that pulls up to this podcast and make a hit, like, no cap. So, but it's like, how can you be a legend? You know what I'm saying? I want to stand out. I want to be one or one. So, like, I made sure that I just did what I wanted to do. Even if it wasn't hot at the time, I just did what I wanted to do, but I also put, you know, I also gave people what they wanted as well. You feel me? Right now, I embrace it, though, as far as the tight beats. I love it. Like, I want all my fans, everyone keep going crazy. You know what I'm saying? If I inspire you, that's awesome. Like, you feel me? That's super lit. Yeah, when you have a young kid hit you up and say, like, you know, I admire what you've done so much and I want to get in the game, what do you

kind of tell him? Because it's tough. It's like a lot of times the advice that I got to give him is basically just the sacrifice, hang out of the studio, just try to work with anybody you can, just be around people. Don't be super pressed to like make a, make a song every night. I, you know, a lot of the producers I know who have sort of worked their way into the industry is because they just were willing to be around the artist and kick it long enough that they got a chance to prove themselves. Yeah, and I think that's cool. You know, I think there's many different ways to make it within, you know, the music.

I would tell, you know, I would get, like, the advice that I would give is to basically stay consistent, you know, just like lock in with whoever you can and really just, like, create relationships, like great relationships. Just keep, you know, your face clean. You know what I mean? Don't take nothing personal. That's a major thing right there. And, yeah, bro.

Basically just don't compete with me. I'm on top of the world. I'm Ronnie. Stayed my way, exactly. I'm a guy, Ronnie. So how did you end up getting inserted into the MGK and M&M thing? Who did you do a B for first out of that whole situation? I think I sent it.

I for sure sent Eminem beats before I met MGK. Okay. But then I was just like in LA, the homie knew MGK was like, yo, I can have him pull up now. He pulled up. And then MGK was just like, yo, like, you know, I've been hearing about you, you know, from like everywhere. Like I had to see what's up. So he just pulled up on me. I played beats maybe, I don't know, 10, 20 minutes.

He took it to a studio and then the first song he made was rap devil. And then like even like around then, like I didn't even know that like him and M had an issue. Like I didn't even know about that, you know? So that happened. And then Eminem just happened to use one of the beats that you had already sent him? Crazy. That's some wild shit. And that's why I say Destiny, because, like, I had nothing in it.

Like, you know, I had nothing to do with that. Like, I just set that up, you know, it's like meant to happen. But you think in M's mind that that was like, oh, this is funny. I'm going to get on the same beat from the same producer just to sort of troll him in a way. Honestly, bro, like, when I first happened, I kind of just like, damn, it's crazy. Like, I don't know Eminem, so I don't know if you're still going to rock with me after this, you know? And then like with MGK, I just met him. So I wasn't too sure, but off of his vibe, I felt like he didn't care.

Like, he was on some, like, young niggas shit. Like, I want to have fun. Like, let's start war. Like, you know what I'm saying? But I think it's cool that, like, they both, like, don't care. It's just about the music, you know? Right. It's not even like, oh, like, if anything, it's kind of like,

yo, like, we both have a Ronnie J beat. Like, who did it better? You know what I'm saying? I mean, you're definitely the only person out of that who's clearly only benefiting. You know, everybody else is like, yeah, they got. popular songs and shit and they're making money off those songs, but you're the only person who doesn't have to get involved and gets to make money on both songs. It was insane, bro.

It was insane. And the cool thing about it is like, M.G. Kitt is the bro. So like, you know, we still got hell of stuff on the way. You know, we plan on making the tape together and all. Oh, yeah. That's what's so. It's dope. Fire.

So what are your big aspirations going forward right now? What do you really want to see in terms of shit that you can bring to the table over the next year or two? I definitely want to, you know, I definitely want to, you know, I definitely want to, you continue to keep on recording, get better. You know what I'm saying? I want to continue to drop more music as an artist. You know, I want the world to see me as an artist entirely, not just producer or artist. It's just like whatever I bring to the table. I definitely want to continue to just like be more in tune with like myself and, you know, continue to learn myself so I can make the best music possible and, you know, just to really put people on to like, you know,

to like you know being healthy bro and having like you know a pure a pure soul a pure mind being healthy is that is that kind of something you've been focused on is just taking better care of your mind in your body yeah bro that's super like big you know part of my life like i work out if not like every day like you know like every other day see we're seeing the slow change of the sound cloud rap generation too because like at the time that that music started hitting i was getting fucked up and now i'm all like working out eating super healthy it's a beautiful thing It's a beautiful thing, bro. And, like, the truth is, like, you feel much better.

You know what I'm saying? If you haven't done it, you should try it, you know? Eat McDonald's, whatever you do for, like, a few days and then switch it up, and you're going to feel, like, a difference. And plus, like, I like to look good. So, like, you know, like, I'm on a tip, bro. Like, I see, like, I see myself. Like, I know where I want to be.

And I'm just working towards that. Like, every single day, I'm not just, like, sitting on my ass. Like, you know, I might drink with you. I might, you know, hit something. Like, you know, whatever. Well, it's easy to play someone. and you've already had a lot of success, you know. Yeah.

But like I'm saying, like, I could still, like, turn up, have some fun and then get right back to it. Right. Now, you're still young. Yeah. Myself, if I turn up and have some fun. You're a rock star, bro. You live.

Yeah. I do it all sober nowadays, though. So, you know, mostly sober. Besides the cush. Damn, dude. All right, so it's awesome getting to have you come in here. I'm trying to think if there's anything else that we need to mention. That's important.

You got any, like, specific projects or songs coming up that we need to be excited for um yeah i got a lot of stuff you know i'm working on production wise like bro like the list goes on you know but if anything you know i want people to just be aware of you know me dropping my own music and just you know just pay attention like i got going on you know what i'm saying it's going to get to you either way eventually so yeah keeping an eye out yeah on top of that um i also want to shout out my two producers two bina rica um they're from austria so i signed them you sent two producers from austria yeah they're actually out here i don't know i don't know I think they're outside.

Oh, for real? Yeah. Oh, okay. So I got them, and then my artist leave me alone. Oh, really? Yeah, he's out of Florida. Oh, okay. I've seen that shit.

Yeah, check him out. He goes crazy. Wow, that's great. So I got that. You know, it's really so much, bro. So much. So, like, movie opportunities. Not like me in the movie, but like, you know,

scoring? Yeah, yeah. That's badass, too. That's part of a lot of bread and mess with it. Yeah, it's crazy. The money's crazy. Man. All right.

Well, Ronnie J. I appreciate you coming in and kind of educating us. out there motivating the young producers out there and sort of filling us in on a lot of the history of everything you've been through yeah no problem bro appreciate you appreciate you uh ronnie j no jumper coolest podcast in the world check us on youtube sound cloud iTunes like comment subscribe nojumper dot com if you want support go get yourself a condama they dig we don't give ronnie j one too we might teach him to spike it oh not to do this shit peace