No Jumper - The ShooterGang Kony Interview: Sacramento Gang Upbringing, Doing Time, Losing 20k in Vegas & More

Episode Date: June 14, 2021

ShooterGang Kony finally made his way to the podcast, to talk about his upbringing, family dynamic, getting in trouble, on papers, being a dad, staying away from the streets, making your own way to success, relationships with Mozzy, Nef the Pharoe and more! https://www.instagram.com/konyginobili/ ----- CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5tesvmDS8h50LkjnSAWMOs?si=j6sJD6DkR4mk5NZZWnlK7g FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFICIAL http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumbert, coolest podcast in the world. And today we're tapping in for the very first time with Shooter Gang. Connie, how you feeling, man? You know, I feel good. You're on good. Yeah? Out there, homies. Yeah, we out here.

We're getting a little bit deeper into SAC. You know, we had a lot of good Sack interviews realistically over the past couple of months. The whole Norkout, really. We had a little Bean and Zay Bang on here the other day. They're my nigs. And I heard them on your new project or your last project and everything. Yeah, for sure, for sure. For sure.

Okay. So tell us a little bit about coming up in Sacramento and what your early days were like. Shit, man. I mean, Sack like coming up, nigger. When I was really coming up, I never really had dreams of like doing no other shit. Like I wasn't trying to be no rapper or something.

It's like, where are we from? It's just like, shit, I say that shit all the time. It's like the legends, nigger, go to jail, nigger, for big shit, nigger. And you feel me, the best shit you go to jail for. that's who you is. Like the legends from our hood is doing life. So you feel me?

It's just like, we was just looking at shit like, no hope where I'm from for real. Like, nigga never thought that he'll be able to get to where I'm at right now, you feel me? Right, but you're from Oak Park. Specifically. From birth or do you move around a little bit of a kid? I moved around a little bit for show,

but from Oak Park originally though. Okay, so like when you were young, like real young, how much did you sort of like detect the fat, Or was there a specific moment you realized? Like, oh, shit is paid lit around here. Man, you know, like, probably, like, you feel me, like, it was some, on some early shit. Like, you feel me, a nigga, like, get into that, bro. Like, when, on early, like, I start, you know, be older, homies, my big cousin, shit like that.

Like, everybody, you start thinking, my friend group, like, it starts to get to, like, where, all right, you feel me, shit's like that. But I was one of the, you feel me? I never was watching, you feel me? Like, I was always involved. So it'd be like, you feel me, I just, shit, come from where I come from. Like, my mama, African. So my mom, one of them mamas that she was always tripping on me.

So I always was getting in trouble. My mom tried to make a nigga not leave the house and shit like that. Like, she'll be gigging. Because parents that aren't from America are supposed to be super protective, right? Yeah, they'd be super. My mom super touch up. Like, my mom called the cops on me type shit. Like, my mama would be, she'd be tripping.

Like, you feel me? She was just never fucking with how it was. So, you feel me? When the niggas start, like, getting kicked out the house and shit like that, then it'd be like, you ain't got nobody but your homies, you feel me? And then you ain't got nothing but the streets for real. Did you feel like you had kind of like a divide from some of the other kids that you're growing up around because your mom was from Africa?

Like, was that ever, like, sort of like a weird thing where they're like judgmental of you about that or anything? Uh, hell, yeah, as a little nigga, you get roasted because you're African for sure. Really? Like, niggas is niggas for sure going to roast you. Like, you feel me? Because you're different. Like, it ain't just. being black. Like, I'm black and I'm African, you feel me? So it's like, shit is damn near like

segregation for real, you feel me? But a nigga don't take it like that. Like, I don't be like, it don't hurt my feelings, but for sure it was rougher, like, you feel me, being with all that around, like, hell of motherfuckers. Like, I used to have an accent and hell of shit, you feel me? Like, really? Yeah, serious. That's interesting. Yeah, so how long had your mom been in the United States before she had you? Probably a few years. It was a war going on in Sierra Leone, that's where she's from. Oh, okay. I'm the first one that was born in America.

She came, you feel me, got pregnant out here, had me. She, I lived in the South. She moved to Oak Park when she had me. Then moved to Fruit Ridge, then back to Oak Park, you feel me? And, like, shit, that's just where a nigga grew up. That's dope. Did she, like, do a lot of stuff to try to, like, keep you in touch with your heritage and shit? Not really her.

My grandma. That was really my heart. She used to, she the one that, like, you feel me? used to have me speak in Manday. That's her language. It's Manday. I used to speak all that shit and everything. And then it's like I start going outside too much

and I forgot how to speak that shit. Like all of it, I start not understanding it no more. I couldn't really talk to my grandmama. So like, you feel me? It just turned into that day. That's funny. My dad told me that he knew how to speak French until he was like eight.

And then he just lost it. I'm like, to me, I only ever spoke English. I'm like, how the fuck do you lose it? Like, you got a whole lot of that shit. That's crazy. Exactly. That's like around the age too for me. I start losing it.

Yeah, and if you want to learn a language right now, it's like you're going to take years and years or working your ass off to learn a language. And it's like the idea that you could know it as a kid and then just forget it is pretty crazy. Yeah, hell yeah. Definitely. All right, so what was your school career like?

You do all right in school or? Hell not. When I started like in elementary, I was cool. I used to get like bees and shit. And then like when I got to like seventh grade when they really start like shit testing them a nigga I start

I was doing bad and then I just did bad bad bad but I was I fucked I graduated for show but I graduated because I was in juvenile hall every summer so I basically had summer school

and you get credits when you go to juvenile hall so I'll be like every time I'm not at school I'll be in juvie Oh okay so I was getting credits

throughout so long that I was damn near above in credits but I didn't have a grade so they just put me on a graduation plan like, look, if you pass these, then we'll let you walk. And like, you feel me, I had a hell of after school classes and shit. I just finished that shit. But did you find it easy to focus on school when you were in juvenile hall, like,

because you didn't have as much other shit distracting you? Yeah, I ain't going to lie. It was kind of easy because I'm, like, smart. So, like, I felt smarter than everybody that was there. So it felt better when I felt like, you feel me, I was an alpha male when it came to being smart. Because, like, when you're on. the street I mean doing school like hey you could do good in school but you got to choose school over hanging out with your homies trying to holler it up girl playing video games watch a tv 5 million other things you would rather be doing so it's like when i feel like you know if you're locked up basically then i mean doing good it's not gonna be as hard right it ain't nothing else to doing we don't

got homework in juvie so it's like it's cool you just go to school and that was my main problem in school i didn't do homework i just refuse so it's like you feel me me being able to be in juvenile hall and go to this shit and do my homework I mean do my work in class that was easy you feel me right where were you get what was the first time you went to juvenile hall how did that start happening? Like 1415 I had

went down my nigs for beating this one nigga up that told on us and then uh yeah they gave a nigga like a soul with a daily weapon like gang a ham's something on some gay shit and then you know after that you feel me after a nigga did that it's like when you

get put on probation you just be stuck in this loop you feel but they gave you the gang enhancement when you were 14 for just beating a dude up yeah but were you actually like affiliating yourself with a specific gang or like nah you feel me that's what they trying to like that's what they

was trying to put on us at the time you feel me like if a group of niggas just beat a nigga ass then they're gonna say it's a gang because normally when I hear the gang enhancement it's way more serious shit where it's like you know somebody got shot and there was somebody associated all these guys associated with it

like benefit in the public eye or through their rap careers or whatever that that's what i've heard a lot with the gang hands man it sounds crazy to use it for just like a couple guys beating another dude up the the d a will tell you that man but you feel me on some regular shit it was like we just got in a fight bang blood they put gang enhancement on it because it's a group of us and the police know us and that was the first shit i was fighting i also feel like blood is too like that is too big of an umbrella term for that to even be the gang like it should have to to be more specific, I would think. It's got to be more specific.

I mean, you can't tell me what I'm doing. You feel me why I'm trying to do it, man? You know, that's what they just be trying to do. Damn, that's fucked up. But so, okay, they throw you in there for how long for that one? I did, like, they gave us, like, four months. We did, like, two months in there, two months on ankle monitor. And what was your first impression of it?

You enjoy it, or was it horrible? Man, at first when I went down, I was like, at first I thought, was going to be worse. And I was like, man, this cool. It ain't even, it don't even matter for real. And then it was just like shit waiting to come home. But, man, it just never really affected me like that. Like, it was three meals a day in that motherfucker.

So it was like, you feel me? I used to be like, shit, so whatever. Right. So that wasn't something that was guaranteed when you were younger, three meals a day? Shit, I mean, hell not. So you feel me? Like being in there, it was like, shit, I know I'm on a track to eat.

I get bigger in here, you feel me? Like, when I'm out, I'd be hella skinny. Like, you feel me, all that? So I just was, I ain't saying jail cool. Like, it wasn't cool, but it was just like, shit, Juvie was like daycare, you feel me? But, like, by the time you got out, were you scared of going back?

Nah, hell of not. You were just kind of like whatever. I'm pretty, growing up, I, like, knew. I kind of knew I was going to keep going back. Feel me? Not trying to go back, but it was just like, I was just like, man, in the lifestyle. It's like, it would be fake to think I'll never

end up back there, you feel me, but I always knew one day I'm going to prevail, you feel me, like, I'm doing cool right now. Like, I'm on bail, but it's like, it's some dumb shit, but not nothing to talk about, but it's just, you feel me, I kind of knew, like, man,

the lifestyle we live, it's police after us, bro, you feel me? Like, it's just like, I'm going running into trouble, you feel me? But running the trouble on the paths of greatness don't matter, you feel me? As long as I'm not doing nothing stupid, you feel me? Like, a gun charge, where I'm from is regular. I got a lot of gun charges. I

get caught with a gun. I mean, that's what it is. You feel me? Like, niggas got to protect themselves, you feel me? And they don't give us the platform to be able to protect ourselves without calling us gang members trying to go do something to somebody else, you know? Right. So, even when you were young, did you already

had you already realized or noticed that you were basically set up in a fucking trap by growing up in this area where the cops were so eager to throw you in jail for a fucking long-ass time, even as like a 14-year-old, that there's no focus on rehabilitating you or or helping you to understand the consequence of your behavior is just like, no, we're going to just lock you up even though you're a kid.

Yeah, I ain't really know that barrier is until I got like probably like 17 and then I realized like the type of stuff that they was throwing at me was like crazy. But it's like before that though, I knew of course it's against us, like the system against us. But like I didn't care about being on probation or nothing until you know eventually you get older and then you want to travel and you want to do stuff. Like right now it's hitting me the hardest because I'm still on probation. But it's like, you know, you want to travel. You want to do stuff. You want to, you know, right now, like, main problems I got like, you know, I want life insurance. I'd be trying to have, like, my kids, set my kids up for generational wealth.

I want to do stuff like for the better, like for the future. You feel me? And like, you can't get that with probation. Right. You know, so it's like a lot of the passports, all that. And like, you know, when you entrapped somebody somewhere, they can't think outside the box. Like, you're not giving us no room to be. like to do it better and my old POs used to not even let me leave set you feel me like now my

p.o let me get some wiggle room because I proved that I rap and like you feel me I can move around but you know it's really like entrapment like it's like you want us to stay out of trouble but you're trying to keep us in one city where you know everybody got problems with each other so you know you're not trying to help us you feel me or else you would send us away to be honest but it's just crazy But what was your mom's perspective on all this, like, when you're getting sent off the juvenile hall and stuff? Her not being from America, I'm sure she's looking at you like this is the worst possible scenario, right? My mom, one of them people, she blamed my partners. So, like, she just always used to be on some, like, you feel me?

It's my friends that's making me bad, you feel me? But my friends' parents would say it's me making them bad. So, you know how parents is. They never want to look at it like, it's for real. I don't never want to think that kid is a bad kid, but I don't never, like I said, I don't think I'm a bad kid. And one thing my mom will tell you is I'll reap what I soul, like, you feel me? And I always, when she used to try to visit me when I'm in Juvie and talk, I'll just be like, man, I know what I did. I'm feeling just do my time and be right back out.

It ain't nothing to cry about it. It ain't no problem. Right. So were you, do you finish high school? Yeah, I graduated. Oh, because you got all those fucking credits from going out of Juven. Jewish credits. Along the way, when did you start rapping?

And were there, like, rappers that you were looking at when you were real young? Because when you were real young, Mazzie wasn't necessarily out yet, or was he already out at that point? I mean, Mazzie been rapping. So it's like, when I was, yeah, young for sure growing up, it's like snubs and little Nick and, like, Mazzie, like, is the main, like, that you see, like, from our, you feel me, section that's booming, you feel me? But, like, not booming everywhere, but it's like, this is what we used to listen to.

You feel me? And then it's like I kind of got the way for like, I want to start rapping, but like, not off that though. I probably start rapping when I was like, I started playing around when I was 16. Like I used to play around on the garage band on the computer, like auto tune and stuff like that. And then probably like a little after that I start really like feeling like, all right, I could kind of, I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I start trying. you'll be in juvie writing you feel me and like I came out and I was just like I had a little buzz around like people

listen to my stuff on SoundCloud and stuff right so yeah after that it just one day it got serious when I I went down again first I had met like like Neffin on Neff de Ferron on and he had like he used to tell me come to his house and like record and stuff

after I met him like I'm I used to go over there I used to live over there for a minute I came back I went to Sack they was trying to give me to come to the studio. I went to jail, you feel me, police was looking for me. I go down with another hammer. And it was like that last time I was down, I was like 19. And then I was like, all right, I'm going to take this serious.

And, you know, my manager, Pookie got me the little empire distribution. And, like, from there it's been serious. Right. Damn, that's dope. So how many gun charges in total did you get or around that time? Actually, before you even asked that, I want to ask, like, when did that become an obvious? thing to you that you just had to start moving around that way even at a young age shit I mean shit since like 12 13 really that's like a reality to you even at that young

yeah for sure don't never have they'll never not have a yeeke wow and was there like a serious serious police presence in oak park like all the time like because a lot of times when I have gone to like hoods and shit it's kind of like y'all there's so many cameras and the are around like doing the rounds very consistently that like not a lot of shit goes down but you're making it sound like it was pretty wild yeah gang tass was harassing gang tats still harassing till today they for show gang tats will bounce out on you right now kids in the car make your kids get out the car probably check under your kids car seat do all type of stuff like they've been gang tats been tripping ever as long as i know wow that's crazy yeah the

black and whites ain't really the same as the gang tess they tripping too for sure show but it's like the gang tass them the ones that act like they know us the ones that bounce out hey connie i heard you dropped the new album man utti wolf you got a gun on you that's that's gang because it's like their job to know everything about what everybody has going on so you drop in the album's like a real thing they're probably looking through rap genius trying to figure out yeah exactly that's gang test damn okay so you got a special kind of relationship with them i i avoid them and i stay positive i don't even i don't even be i don't talk to it i don't got nothing going on over there i just know they love me for some reason when did you like move away

from the the area that you grew up in i'm assuming you had to at some point yeah when i uh i had moved i went to high school when i was high school in l grove but before that like not before that but i went to high school and l grove then after that you feel me i'm still like in my little area and then like i moved that when i got older i went to i went to valayo like two years ago probably Because I'm still young, I'm 22, so it ain't like a long-ass life-spin. So I just went to Vallejo. Then when I went to Vallejo, you feel me? I had met my baby mama and shit, but that's when I was working with Neff.

I moved in Neff house. You feel me? Yeah, I've been putting in work ever since. What was it like when you started recording with Neff, and what did he sort of teach you about rapping? Shit, I mean, it was cool for the show, like, you feel me, seeing the nigg? Because he, like, he for sure wanted, like, the, I ain't gonna say the first because it's Mazi first,

but it's like he for sure one of like the first big artists that like, you feel me, came in a nigga life, like, you feel me and showed me, like, was taking me to every show, you feel me? And like, I was recording with him and he reached down, did a tape with me, like, you feel me? He was just showing me like, shit, it's cool to fuck with niggas under you type shit, you feel me.

He wasn't making me feel like I was just under him, so like I appreciated that for sure. That's dope. Definitely. So you said Mazi reached out to you, for him though? Really not reach out. Like we're from the same neighborhood,

so it's like everybody, everybody know each other regardless. So it's like, you feel me, when Mazzis start coming to L.A. and shit like that, we start coming to L.A. and shit like that too. And like, you feel me, that's what I got from them, like, seeing outside of Sacramento

because I've never seen nothing outside of SAC for a long-ass time, you feel me? So when you're a kid, like, you weren't even thinking about like what it would be like to go to San Francisco? Francisco, never mind, LA. I didn't even know what the Bay was when I was a little kid. Oh, God, I didn't know.

I knew, like, E-40 and shit, but I never was really like, oh, they're from here. Like, I just was like, oh, it's a Bay Area over there. But I, for sure, I didn't know what, I didn't know what nothing was, like, outside of Sacramento until I was, like, literally, like, 17, 18 years old. I'm always so fascinated by that, how, like, a lot of rappers will just have one other rapper who sort of like opens the whole fucking world up to them by just showing them that there's so much more to life than your neighborhood you know yeah for sure yeah definitely so when do you feel like your music actually started to get some traction um when I bounced out of

well I dropped this song called location on a flyer and when I dropped that I seen like my fastest hundred thousand views and then I had I went to jail after that too and I remember when I was in jail, I used to call home and I would be asking like what, like what's going on, what's going up. And then I think I had like 300,000 views right there but you know, that was hell of big right there. So you feel me? I remember

we was playing that motherfucker on the jail speakers in the branch. You feel me like, what's going up? And like, you know, like I just knew like I was talking to Pug my manager. He was in he was at South by Southwest with Nuffing them at the time. And it's like,

you feel me? Shit, that's when I knew like all right i'm gonna get out and i'm gonna drop this tape that i already got half done that's called march madness you feel me and that was one of the tapes that took me off the fastest and i already knew like when i get out i'm from to drop this march madness and i named the march madness because march was when the police was kicking my dough in and looking for me and shit and they caught me in march and i was doing my time i dropped that shit in may though but i'm telling puk i'm like i'm gonna drop march madness in may because niggas marx was brazenes and i'm gonna marx was brazy. Why were they kicking your door in?

Crazy shit. There's a lot of shit that you got to leave on the cutting room floor that you can't talk about in your music and shit. There's some people that put it all out there. And then there's some people that don't put anything specific out there. How would you rate yourself on that? Man, I'm a smart young dude, man. I'll leave it out there. Yeah, definitely.

So, okay, your shit starts taking off. And I don't know. At that time, you were just putting shit on YouTube or did you really know much about promotion? Or you already had the Empire deal at this point? It was just a distribution, so it wasn't like no real deal or they was doing anything.

I just needed a platform to drop music. So promotion, no, I didn't know what no promotion was. At that time, I was just dropping the music and it was just going up. Right. Did your lifestyle start to, like, change around that time? Like, when did you say you actually started to see money from rapping?

Shit, I remember. my first check, I was on house arrest for hell along. They was on, Neph and them was on E40 tour, and I jumped off house arrest, went on the E40 tour, and then my first check was like 1,400, and I thought I was rich, because I ain't never had no money like that before. So I just remember getting that first check, and I was like, man, it's crazy. And now I'm like, I'm in a distribution, so I'm like, so if I keep driving, I keep getting getting money so I just start dropping crazy you feel me and it just after that like I said I just

established what I wanted to do right but what was like the first big single that sort of like took off on its own and had its own momentum uh king Coney was my first million views that song I jumped out that was my first video I dropped when I was fresh out then after that it was a single called scumping that was for the hose that's on that motherfucker too and that was like took me off crazy too because they was like oh this nigger could talk to the bitches too you feel me and i was lit right there defunct skumping for the people out there shit skumping skumping is just you feel me like a bitch that be scooping all the time like you feel me she just be always trying to get up in there like a scoompa a little thut like a thud

a little thudder like you feel me it's just a bitch that's always trying to get up in there but a scoop is cool too like it's cool scoops and it's bad stuff you're bad at scoops you feel me like it's just scooping like we all be scomping like you be scooping like you feel me bro be scomping like it's just scomping like you got a late night hype you're scomping drop a comment down below if you're scooping yeah if you're scooping right now

drop a comment actually okay there's a girl I got an interview after this who's a podcaster and I was listening to her podcast and she's giving advice on how to hack into your man's phone is that scoop behavior so she's trying to now she's trying to stop you from scooping. That's not sco behavior.

But it could be Scoop behavior because the bitch that's doing that is probably scumping too. She might be a little insecure because she know what she's doing, man. That's when I knew the world was all fucked up when I was hearing her talk about that because I'm thinking, if I came on this podcast and was talking about hacking

into my girl's phone, you know what motherfuckers would be over for me? They'd be trashing me and these girls are talking about it all willy-nilly. It's all good. They'll think you were a creep, but like, you feel me? You know, niggas like us, we just got to be player and be superior man, you know. Yeah. So you don't look through your girl's phone?

No, I have for sure. You know, for show. A moment of weakness? Yeah, you know, sometimes it might be laying there and you might be like, hold on. But you feel me, it feels good when there ain't nothing in that, motherfucker? Right.

No, yeah, yeah, yeah. I never looked at my girl's phone, but when I think about it back in the day, I definitely looked through some phones. And definitely, like, seen some shit that just immediately was like, oh, I can't fuck with her anymore. Like, I can fuck her, but I can't. Yeah, yeah. Any thought of my heart being involved in this is over.

Which is good. That's what you can get by looking through the phone. Yeah, if she's bad for you, the universe is going to bring that to you, but the universe ain't going to make you look stupid for that long. One day you'll find out. I feel it. So was that like a new thing for you making music for girls? Because I feel like you kind of came in talking street shit, too or false? No, I always been versatile.

Like, I could rap about anything, bro. So it's just like, it's just the vibe. Like, it was just one day in the studio. Like, I just made a song about killing niggas right before that. And that beat came on and nigger tried to skip it because he thought I was just on this vibe. And I'm like, hold on, go back. And I'm like, hell now, this go crazy.

But, you know, I was nervous. I remember the day I was in the studio with Slimy B and my nigga Blab Dre, the engineer. And I start singing and I remember I stopped on the mic and I'm like, man, this sounds stupid. And then they're like, hell now, that goes crazy. And you feel me? I just kept, because I came in that motherfucker fake singing.

I can't sing, but they love that shit. I think me and currency figured out the other day the ultimate cheat code to making a song blow up is you've got to be talking about the most violent shit but you've got to say it in a cool, friendly, you know, and he pointed out the best example because I pointed out who I smoked with the Vanessa Carlton sample

and it sounds like a pop song. He pointed out Nelly, the fucking street sweeper baby. It's a song about drive-by. It was like one of the biggest songs of all time in rap history and it's about shooting up a block. And as a kid, you listened to it. You would never think that. Yeah, for sure. People like that. They like it till it's real.

People fuck with that shit. You see, back in blood was going crazy. Like, they fuck with that shit. Yeah, exactly. When they see that somebody really gets hurt, people be like, oh, hell not. But it'll be like, man, y'all want that. Like, y'all be promoting that. And I watched a YouTube breakdown of that song. They're like, oh, this song is actually about this rapper breaking into his ops house

and stealing a bunch of guns from them. So when he says you can get it back in blood, he's threatening them to come back. And I'm like, yo, that's so crazy that there's like four-year-olds out here dancing to that song they'll never know that there's a talking crazy shit that people are probably, you know. That old school shit was like that too, though.

Jay-Z-9's-or, and they was talking about killing the nigga like a motherfucker, but it just be, you kind of ain't thinking about it like that, but they for sure was gangster rapping, for real. This is true. But are you the type of rap fan that sort of like went back and looked into more like the older rap that was around before you came around?

Yeah, I love rap music, so I really listened to it. I was just having these niggas listen to Ether in the car. I'd be listening to fucking, you feel me? Still, Maddie, got Black album, all that shit like that old shit. Like, I just, I like studying niggas flows because I feel like rap is hell about flow, not what you say all the time. But me, I take what I say hella personal. But, you know, I know as a person trying to reach a audience, people like flow.

So you feel me, I always study flow, like how the New York niggas used to like slide on the beat and like, you feel me, like to adapt. You don't want to just sound like one thing, you feel me? That means you come and go when you sound like one thing. The versatile always stays, so. And I think if you're only influenced by other rappers that like live roughly in the same place as you and rap roughly about the same shit as you and they're like all shit, if you only listen to music that came out this year, as a rapper, you're not really doing yourself any favors. Like, you should definitely go listen to shit that people are not listening to so you could find inspiration

that'll make your shit sound different, you know? Yeah, exactly. Listen to shit. People ain't listening to or don't listen to no rap because you get too heavily influenced and just start sounding like the next man, you feel me? And the best artist got the, the best artist got original sound. A lot of people are goats because they was the first people

doing what they was doing, not really because they're the best rapper. It's a lot because they're the first people doing that. You know, a lot of young men, like, I was telling my niggas, like, they don't think like Jay Z raw like that or like nuzz and shit like that but I'd be like bro like niggas was the first niggas doing that in their time I'm young I don't even know like I'd be having to go back and do my research and be like if I was born at that time I would probably say he's the goat too you feel me but it's like you know we're young so we all everybody

got different goats you feel me 100% um but yeah there's like I was reading this this book about Jay-Z and it like it really painted the picture because that's a rapper I've been listening to since before I even knew anything and they kind of pointed out like he was the first rapper to put himself out there like as a hustler like a real hustle music drug dealer hustler who's like also just hitting you with all these gems of like life advice and it's like that that character didn't exist in rap at the time the way that it did through him and that like you know people kind of lose lose track are like how different a lot of that shit is you know I was just reading his his book too. I forgot what that shit called

but got the black with the gold the gold on it. Yeah, yeah, that's it. Yeah, exactly. He for sure said something about how nobody was talking about hustling so he was the one to, you feel me, step it up. 100%. Like, how open-minded you consider yourself when it comes to production and shit? Because when I was

in your most recent project, I definitely felt like you might have taken some influence from some of the shit going on in Detroit in terms of like that sort of, like using some of those old samples and having the real fast-paced beats and shit. I'm a I ain't going to lie. The samples is really, I get the samples from, like, that's really, like,

SOB, like, you feel me, Bay Area type shit, to be real, you feel me. The uptempo, like, little, like, yeah, it's a little flavor of Detroit in there, but, like, I take a little of everything, like, shit, like, shit. I heard Jay Z say that shit, too, like, in this little shop interview, like, rap is made, like, for it to be, like, branches. So it's always going to be somebody that starts a certain era, and it's supposed to build down. And a lot of people be mad to, like, give people credit.

But it's like, you feel me, at the end of the day, whether you know it or not, everybody kind of raps a certain way because of somebody else. So you feel me? Once shit's passed down, I for sure listen to everything and be like, okay, like, you feel me? I could get that from there and get that from there. I still got my own style. Definitely.

But it is interesting because when I listen to you rap, I hear little tiny pieces of a lot of different rappers that I could kind of almost be like, I feel like I know he's influenced about this person because of the way he just said that one word. But it's not like your whole shit is like that, but it's like a lot of little tiny influences. Yeah, you might be right. You might be right for sure. Definitely. So, okay, when did you actually start working with Mazi or start wearing the Mazi chain?

When that conversation happened? Probably like, I think I got my shit out like 18. Like he gave me the chain for show and like, but other than that, like, we ain't, we ain't worked. hella you feel me i think we got like two two three songs or something two songs but uh yeah i just got the chain and then shit that's what it was okay but did you have you didn't sign to him no i never signed to him it's just like it was just something you feel me like

blood just was uh you feel me giving the shit to niggas he fucked with for real you feel me okay but so were you optimistic about that turning into more at a certain point or was it always just some more low-key thing No, I ain't never, it wasn't never gonna be, I was never tripping about mo. I always done made it clear, like, you feel me, niggas be trying to be independent. So like, he ain't never came at me like, hey, I'm trying to sign you to some albums stuff, shit. Like, it ain't never been like that.

It was just like, I had that and I was just doing what I was doing. But you guys didn't really, like, move around that much. You just did a couple songs and it didn't really? Yeah, I went on tour with Doug, like, you feel me, like two times. But that was like, the first I went on tour, then I wasn't even like, like really a rapper yet. Like, you feel me type of shit. But yeah, I've been one on tour with dog

and shit like that, you feel me? Okay. Did you guys sort of fall out at a certain point or did you stop kicking at a certain point? I ain't really know like fallout blood, you know, you feel me, niggas just be growing doing that own thing. I feel it.

Yeah, it's interesting because I'm like having a hard time. Like, I'm looking through YouTube titles and I can't really tell like what is actually real stuff and which ones are just trying to clickbait me into believing that everybody has. problems with each other. Hell yeah. They'd be trying to do that shit, though.

You know, they'd be trying to play with Eric Gangsta. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I don't know. I was just, I was trying to make sense of it, but it was a little unclear to me, but, yeah. Okay, so in terms of, like, where your career is at right now, oh, hey, I want to ask this. Do you think that your name closes doors for you ever, just because it's a very aggressive name?

Yeah, my name closed doors. like a motherfucker. I had a conversation with Nima one time and he told me I should change my name. And shit, I thought about, I remember I talked to my partner about it and my partner was like, yeah, you should.

And then I was like, fuck, no, I ain't going that shit. And like, ever since I was just like, shit, well, I'm just when history comes, nigga, they're just going to know, like, shit, I did it with this on my back. Regardless, you feel me? Like, I started this shit that, like, this shooter game shit

isn't like just, but I would never take it out my name because it wasn't, this ain't just like, no, come, like, these is my niggas. Like, it's a lot of niggas was in shooter game that is not rappers, you feel me? Like, it wasn't just no rap group type shit. So if I would never take that shit out of my name, because you feel me, I got niggas that died with that name, you feel me? So it's like I have to keep it. If it's a curse, well, you feel me, I'm going to make it with a little burden on my back.

It's funner to go against anyway. Right. But so the Coney name, you had that before the Shooter Gang part of it? Like, were you just Coney at some point? Yeah, I was just Coney at first, for sure. And so was that, like, the kids giving you shit about the Joseph Coney thing because they knew that you were African? So that was like a joke and then you just rolled with it? Yeah, exactly.

That's exactly what it was. It was a joke. You feel me, a little African nigga with hammers and it turned into, you feel me? That was really, I didn't like it at first. And then it was like, fuck it. That shit kind of tight. That shit was crazy because I feel like a lot of people did. didn't even know about a lot of the shit that was going on in Africa with all the warlords and all the crazy-ass shit.

I felt a lot of people didn't know about it. Then they had that social media campaign against this one warlord. And I was always thinking, I'm like, what the fuck are they going to do to this dude? Like, they're not going to be able to stop this guy from living, doing whatever the fuck he's doing. Like, it seems so crazy. All these white people just trying to, like, project their moral compass onto a continent where they can't possibly relate to what the fuck is going on there, right? Yeah, for sure. That was just some little... I felt like it was propaganda for real, but whatever it was, you feel

me, they pushed that name onto me and I just, I end up taking that shit around with that shit. My name was SS at first, Star Shooter, and then we made Shooter Gang, you feel me? And the SSG, we added the other S. I basically took that shit out of my name because at first I was Shooter Gang, SS, really, but I had multiple names. I've been Genobley, Stoyagos. They've been calling me all this shit forever. So it's like, you feel me? At first, I was shooting gang SS.

I took the SS out of my name. We made this SSG shit, and I've changed my name to Coney. Okay. Yeah. I was actually coming in here thinking that Joseph Coney had just died, but then I googled it, and I'm pretty sure it's not true. I thought that nigger been dead. I already don't.

No, because I read him, I saw a meme that said he died of the coronavirus. I'm like, damn, he ended up dying from that. But then I Google it today, and I'm pretty sure it's not true. Yeah, that shit, clickbait. He'd be trying to get more views than me, but I'd be fucking with that nigga. He'd be trying to get more views. He'd be trying, but I'd be fucking with that nigga for sure. So if you type Connie into fucking YouTube right now, who's winning?

When I used to type Connie, he for sure was popping up first. But right now I'm popping up there on me. Wow, that's actually pretty tight. That's like a real battle right there. Yeah, for sure. I'm fucking with that. There's some, like, bacteria called Adam 22, so I'm a lot. I'm up against that.

What, Connie? No, there's like a bacteria called, like, Adam 22. Oh, that's right. When I, like, search my name or whatever, I got to, like, compete with the Wikipedia page about, like, this fucking tiny little microscopic germ or some shit. I don't know. I never really even looked into it like that.

Some COVID-type shit. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. So when I was COVID for you, though, like, did COVID? I know there's, like, a bunch of references to it on your most recent project and shit. It was at the front of your mind? Boy, I was on tour when COVID came, so, nigger, we had our last show in Atlanta,

and, nigger, that shit was over. We had to drive back from Atlanta. I stopped in Vegas because Vegas wasn't shut down yet. Was gambling like a motherfucker went back home, thought that shit was going to be fake, and that shit been around forever now. Really? Yeah. Damn.

Did you ever let it slow you down too much, or you keep moving around? No, that ain't so much. That ain't really what slowed me down. You feel me? If fakeway did, but like, you feel me? It ain't like really stopped the work ethic. It just kind of stopped like, damn, I was, I have these songs that I don't want to slept on, so I want to perform them.

So now that I can't perform them, that's what's like slowing me down, you feel me? Because I'm feeling like certain shit is getting looked over because I'm dropping while we in the house, you feel me? But that's all. Yeah, it's weird because in a lot of ways, I feel like nothing changed for me because I kept coming here and kept doing interviews and shit. But then at the same time, like, I barely, like, been to some public shit over the course of the past year, year and a half.

Like, I barely, like, been to some video shoots. There ain't been that many videos shoots. There ain't been parties, et cetera. Now I'm so used to not leaving the house that it's kind of hard for me to even imagine what's going to be like getting really social again, you know? I mean, shit, niggas is outside, though. Oh, yeah. When COVID hit, niggas went to Texas.

And niggas, then when Vegas opened up, niggas went to Vegas. So you feel me? I ain't really been feeling like it was COVID. It's COVID, you feel me? I was, like I said, I'd be gambling like a motherfucker. So I was in Vegas going crazy. What's the most you ever lost in the night gambling? Man, I ain't going, it wasn't really a night,

but I remember when I went out there, I was on some, I was on a back-to-back streak, and they got me for like 20,000, bro. Wow. And like, on a, like, wake up, go get hit for this, then go get some more money, got hit the next day, than try to hit before my flight, and they got me together, and then that was like, all right, boy,

I'm gonna slow down for a minute. But I was going crazy. It was a minute where I was just having, naga, stacks of dough on me, I don't be touching my bank account, and I would just have stacks of dough on me all from dice in the streets and gambling. You feel me?

I just would. It was just gambling money. Every day, I never used no other type of money for like a couple months. So really the 20 that got me for was like shit that I was hitting them for, you feel me? Right. Yeah.

But when you're playing dice on the street, you feel like there's a lot more ways for you to sort of make things go your way rather than a casino where it's all by the books? Nah, I mean. You throw the dice at a weird angle and shit? I don't know what you're doing. In the streets, I could punk a nigger to keep shooting if he get my money. You feel me? But at the tables, I could bet a hard six.

You feel me? I could bet the 12. I feel the horn coming. You feel me? I could bet a straight-aid. You feel like I could, it's hell of bet, so I'd be feeling like I can fuck with it. But I've been on back of rat lately. I don't really, I kind of shook the dice because you got to be, like, drunk to shoot dice. Like, if you're sober, like, you be getting smacked, bro, because, like, you ain't vibing.

And when the table quiet, you get hit. Like, every time that shit, irritating this fuck. I could tell you got the degenerate gambler soul and you were like there. Like, I could just hear it in your voice that you like it a little too much. I do. And then a nigger might come from the back. And then they send the nigga from the back to buzzers And a nigga might say some weird shit

Nigger might have to knock this nigga out Because this nigga then walked up And was like, oh, I wouldn't bet that And a nigga like that, it'd be like, boy, we'll beat your motherfucking ass. You know what to do that out in the casino? No, we ain't knocked a nigga out in the casino. I ain't gonna say all that.

But it's just, it's been a lot of times where a nigga than been in the casino and it been like, damn, like, why would you do that to yourself? Like me and my niggas let us say like, he did it to himself. That's one of my favorite phrases. because it's like a nigg will really come and then we'll be like man they sent him

because it's like boy this nigga don't walk up just to play with me you feel me walk up sit right next to me and just be talking and I'd be like oh my god niggas be asking to get knocked out yeah definitely fuck yeah I just play poker so I'm kind of like out of the loop of the emotional highs and lows

of playing dites and shit where you could really like lose everything you got in like a moment yeah I don't I don't know how to play poker. I play poker on Red Day Redemption, the game was over. That's pretty much what it's like. I played it on there a little bit. Yeah, I don't know how to play real poker, but shit, you know, I'll learn, though.

Yeah, it's all good. Okay, so, in terms of, like, where you feel like you're at in your career, like, what has you excited at this point? What do you feel like is going to be the shit that's going to help you take it to the next level? Let's strategize. Man, bro, I feel like

everybody say that shit, but I just feel like shit, I'm the best out, bro. Like, niggas don't be talking about the same shit that I'm talking about, bro. Like, I'm not just talking about popping niggas, bro. I talk about real shit, bro. I could talk about gaining wealth, bro. I talk about, you feel me, protecting yourself, like, taking care of what matters your family, like all that, bro. And niggas need a narrative from a nigga that's really been through everything, bro.

I've been through everything a nigga could name except being shot. But I didn't been shot at countless times, you feel me? But it's just like, man, like, bro, I don't felt all that. Br, I didn't feel like never coming home from jail. felt everything so when you're hearing that bro from a young nigger standpoint where i'm only 22 brad and i feel free bray and i i give your older niggas advice bro you feel me like i be trying teach niggas how to buy houses like i just buy my first house bro you feel me like i be just trying to teach people what to do like i feel like i go through certain shit and people that go

through certain shit are supposed to teach people so they don't go through that shit or you're supposed to nigga i should develop next society like i ain't saying be jesus It's Christ, but, like, you feel me, like, pass down knowledge, bro. And I rap about knowledge and real shit. And I get that shit from, like, gnaz and shit like that, too. Like, I know he was heavy on that talking about, like, black empowerment and all that, you feel me? And that's what I feel like is some real shit.

Talk about what you been through. Talk about the street shit and everything. And then you got to also slip shit that'll help a nigger and make people get through hard times, get through jail, make that shit that the niggas and the pin listen to. make that shit that shit a baby mama might be listening to make that shit that a depressed nigga might be listening to you feel me

so they could feel us, you feel me? Like do you feel like you would feel like you were selling yourself short if you just rapped about gangster shit for the rest of your life knowing that there's probably a lot of fans who that's kind of what they want to hear from you right now? Yeah, but that's not just raw talent though

like all the best all the best artists rap about a lot of stuff but not just that. Of course people want to to hear that so you reel them in with that and then you talk about real shit also bro like nobody's gonna just be the biggest artist just

talking about shooting the nigga every line that's impossible bro that's not gonna happen you feel me and shit some people just gotta realize that shit niggas be weak as fuck yeah definitely do you go back to where you from frequently or is it too high pressure to even be in a

situation out there uh hell yeah like a motherfucker like shit it was a it was a time where like niggas was a telling me why is you here because, like, I would just be at the park, shooting dice every day, you feel me? And then, like, you feel, I just kind of got shit, a couple niggas was on the phone

with me telling me, like, man, you need to focus. Like, it ain't nothing. There ain't no love out here, bro. Like, just do your do do your doggie. And, like, ever since then, I kind of, and I have my son too, so, like, you feel me? I've been a lot, like, taking care of my son, trying to beat her from my son. I ain't have no daddy myself.

So, you know, recently it's been like, all right, fuck that shit. You feel me I love the trenches though but it just be like man fuck that shit sometimes you got to take care of what matters because some people want you to treat them better than you'll treat your own son you feel me so could you believe when you saw yg pulling up to your old neighborhood yeah that's crazy that's crazy that's crazy i didn't i wouldn't have thought about it but trevor was just kind of telling me he's like bro i never seen a fucking rapper as big as him pull up over there that's crazy yeah that's crazy sacramento period like the whole sacramento scene like we don't we for sure got it hard because

it's like we in this bubble where it's like we already be kind of hard for us because the Bay Area already and then people that aren't from here, from here think that sack be the Bay when they're hell of far. And then we got a bubble to break out the Bay, then we got to break out a sack.

Then we got to break out as gang members and all that shit. So it's a lot of shit like shit that you be fighting, you feel me, like trying to get out of a little-ass place like that. Then our city hate us. You know what I was like... The hate within the rappers alone. Yeah, exactly.

Exactly. So, like, you got a lot of shit to break out of you, feel me? But shit, that shit make niggas the strongest, you feel me? Definitely. Do you be getting drunk as fuck when you're out gambling? I forgot I wanted to ask that before. Yeah, you got, you can't get too drunk. You can't get too drunk because you get too drunk. You're going to lose all your money because you ain't going to know how to stop.

But you got to be feeling it, though, in your heart. Because if you're a little tipsy, you're going to go crazy. You just got to keep talking. The quiet man always get hit. You got to talk. You got to talk shit. You gotta ask the dealers what they're trying to bet. What y'all want to bet?

Oh, he hating on me. Let me hit this for you. You feel me? That's how you hit for real. I feel it. When you were talking about how it's kind of, like, you don't have the same desire to be in the streets and stuff with your kid. I mean, that really does, like, change the equation that's going on in your brain about what you want to do with your time. Once you have this kid and you just know he needs some fucking hours of your attention, right?

Yeah, it's a little you. Like, you feel me? And I'll just be looking at him like, man, like, bro, I, I, I'll just be looking at him like, man, bro, I. I felt like I had no love, so I was just on some, bro. Like, I don't know nothing else. Like, I convinced myself that I wasn't worth nothing, so it doesn't matter if I go to jail for life. That's how I was feeling growing up.

So I would never want him to feel like I'm not worth nothing. Like, we're in a world where you can get rich off anything, bro. You feel me? Anything you put your heart to, nigga, you'll get rich off. I just can't wait to be able to, like, you feel me, give him the knowledge that. I got, you feel me coming up and putting hard work into something I believe in, you feel me?

Yeah, for sure. But it's crazy, too, when you think about it, because I'm sure your mom wanted you to know that. Like, I'm sure your mom wanted you to know how valuable your life was. But it's something about being, like, a young man where it's very hard to just accept what your parents tell you. You kind of got to go out there and figure it out for yourself, right? Yeah, she for sure, of course, wanted me to be big.

But it's like, what America do is, like, they'll hypnotize, like, of foreigners, on like to make it seem like not even just foreigners like just the generation before all of us where every parent feel like do this go to college and do this but it's like to me i just feel i feel like that shit's entrap me i feel like if you take the same years you're going to college to read on exactly what you want to do with your life you will be more successful than you're just going to get that degree if you study what you want to do for two years and put your full heart into it you'll be richer, you feel me? Half us rich-ass niggas ain't go to college, you feel

me? So it's just, I don't be, I just don't really go for it. I ain't going to tell my son not to go to college, but I'm going to tell my son, if you believe that you could do something, go a hundred, you feel me, like really put your shit into that and don't never hate a struggle. Because when you hate the struggle,

that mean you just seek the reward and you don't seek your struggle. And if you don't enjoy your struggle, then what you're doing is not for you. Yeah, like I feel like each generation has a different idea of what college should be. And like my parents' generation, like the way that they thought with me was like,

you graduated high school, you go to college. What for? Does it matter? You got to go to college for something. It doesn't matter if you feel like you understand yet. Like pick a fucking major out of a hat and study that or do general stuff in the meantime, which I mean, I do see the value.

Like if your family has enough money to send you to college and it's not important for you to just get a job right away. That might be a place where you can learn a lot about what you want to do with the rest of your life. But for like a poor kid who doesn't necessarily know what he wants to do to just put yourself into that much debt to just learn some random skill that you don't even know if it's going to be useful by the time you get out of college,

because that happens all the time. Yeah, exactly. That people go to school for some kind of journalism or a skill, a technological thing. And the field just isn't even there by the time they get out. Bro, I'm telling you, bro, I got countless homies that went to school and be feeling like, fuck that shit at the end, bro. you feel me and it just be like i said i'll never tell a nigger not to go but if you just put your

passion into something bro you could be bigger than what you think you know me following them guidelines that shit set us up for shit that i don't got no i don't got no business doing that shit so bro and i've had employees who had like crazy like six-figure student loan debt and bro it is very hard for you to be like a happy relaxed person when you're giving half the money you're making in a month until you're fucking debt and you feel like you're still not going to be out of that shit for 20 years. Yeah, it creates stress, but shit, like America make money off stress. So I just feel like that's them people playing, you feel me. For sure.

Okay, so you plan on dropping anything soon? Any big plans on the works? Hell yeah. I've been coming out right around the corner. Man, shit, I feel like I'm going to drop my best work, to be honest. Like, I really, shit, I feel like I found myself hella good. You feel me? I found what I want to do, what I want to talk about.

And I'm at the perfect age and point in growth where I'm going to talk about it all. So, yeah, man, that shit. Next shit that's coming is going to go crazy. And it's right around the corner. Oh, God. Yeah, I mean, you've had some big fucking songs and you're still young as fuck. So, I mean, have you ever gotten frustrated and felt like shit? Like, maybe, you know, like, I feel like even being that young, has there ever been times

or you just felt like, fuck, like, is this shit not going to work out? have you always managed to sort of have that faith in yourself. Man, shit, like, all the time, you always will get, like, a doubt where you be like, man, like, what am I doing wrong? You feel me? But it's like, shit, it's this or nothing. At the end of the day, bro, I can't go do nothing else. I can't get a job.

Like, you feel me? Niggil get shot at work. You know what I mean? So it's like, this is just what it is, man. Like, this is what I'm supposed to do. This is what I'm here to do. For sure. Well, you're super talented.

You know, I appreciate you coming through and having a conversation on this, man. For sure. Thank you, man. Yeah, much love. Love. Appreciate you. Shoot a gang, Coney. No Jumber, coolest podcast on the world. Check us on YouTube, SoundCloud, iTunes, like, comment, subscribe. Nojumber.com if you want to support.

Appreciate you, man. Well.