No Jumper - The Skylar Blatt Interview: Cincinnati Upbringing, Viral Freestyle, Hustling & More

Episode Date: April 23, 2022

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No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today we're in here with Cincinnati's very own, Skyler Blatt, in the building. The Blizzard. How are you feeling? I'm okay. I'm doing fine. How you feeling? I'm glad to be here.

Excellent. I just noticed what's going on with their glasses there. How they chipped off? Yeah, they have the pieces out. Yeah, the missing motherfuckers right there. I call them. I could cuss right. Yeah.

I'm not missing motherfuckers right there. Where did you get those? I got them from a female in my city, her name, my mouth. Oh, okay. She got the fine beauty on social media. Oh, it's her brand. Yeah, her own brand. I was thinking they were going to be like $800 fucking Dior sunglasses or something.

Yeah, I don't really do too much. You don't like that? Yeah, I like, you know, I'm into it, but I'm simple. Yeah? Yeah, I'm super simple. How old are you? I'm 26. Okay, so still young.

Yeah. Do you feel young? No. Really? No, I'm getting old. My bones and shit, like, you know. I mean, there's a lot of different ways to be. be 26, though. Like, I know some 26-year-olds that are grizzled. They've been through everything,

and I know some 26-year-olds that don't know shit. Yeah, I've been through everything. Really? Yeah, everything. Almost. I first noticed you because you were going viral on Twitter for the freestyle that you did. What's it called? On the block? On my block. Yeah. Yeah. And that people were just going crazy saying you rap better than most dudes and all this kind of shit. Was that just a total surprise? As far as what? That specific tweet going viral. No, not, yeah, kind of because it came out of nowhere. Right.

The viral part. I didn't even know one day I was just at the salon. I kept getting notifications on my Twitter. I'm like, what the hell? Because my Twitter wasn't really having too much motion at the time. So I'm just thinking like it keeps being hell of notifications. I'm like, what the hell of it? So I go on there.

I'm like, oh, it's going viral. Like the guy that shared it, I never even, like, I didn't know. nothing about him. Like, you know, like, and it was just like viral. I'm like, damn. Damn, but that was a nice boost career-wise. You have a lot of people noticing you from that and shit? Yes, yeah, a lot of people. Right. A lot of people. When I saw that, I just felt like, I don't know, there's something about your delivery that I just thought was very, like, cool and calm and composed. Like, I'm not going to use your interview as a platform to tell you what other girls are not good at, rap-wise, but I do feel like a lot of girls rap like it's still the 90s.

right you don't have to agree with me no I'm not I'm not I'm just listening to you I'm like right like I'm just following you I wouldn't agree I don't know I just feel like there's a lot of girls that are like and I'm not putting this on everybody but I feel like there's a lot of girls who like have a buzz going or whatever but they really don't rap that good or at least they don't rap like cool they might like be able to put a lot of words together but it's it sounds like too much effort right see me I honestly I recall I just go in there and record too. Like, I don't even write my music.

I just go in there at the top of my head. So it's, like, for me, that's better for me because it's like, it's more natural. Like, I feel like I can just, however I'm feeling that day, so it's like, okay, if I go to the studio today, however I'm feeling, it's just going to naturally come out instead of me just sitting down trying to, like,

write it. And I don't go against people writing either. I love music either way. But it's more so, like, I just be more so about emotions. Like, I just rather my emotions, just let it out. Because it's just like it helps me come up with different flows and shit too. Like it'd be more, it's natural. I feel like if you show up with a written verse on a track with Babyface Ray or I swear Vezo that you're probably going to sound out of place because that like their recording process

and how casual it is is kind of like a big factor in terms of how the music ultimately ends up sounding. Right. Yeah, it's more like it's energy too. It'd be about the energy like it's more, it'd be better to just go in there and freestyle. Because I used to write when I first started. Right. But it was like, it was taking so much time. Like, you know, it's like you're trying your hardest to say something.

Instead of just going in there and putting the words, twisting it, you know. That's something that like a lot of people who rap actually talk about, but that a lot of the fans I don't think know about is that rap is kind of like an actual sport once you're actually in the studio because motherfuckers will be like emphasizing how long it takes you to record as well. And I've heard stories from people about being in the studio with Gucci back in the day and how the pressure was fucking on where if you didn't have your verse done in 10, 15 minutes,

then you just weren't going to be able to hang because you got Gucci and thug and all these people just spitting verses like that. And it's like that creates kind of like a weird level of competition. It's obviously not for everybody, but... Yeah, I used to be thinking like that, like I gotta make a song in an hour and do it in this now. Like once I got the confidence, they're really just relaxing there.

It's more so like I'll let it come. Really? Like, I might make a hook. in 15 minutes. I might make a hook in 40 minutes. Like, I don't really try to, I try to take my time with it now. Like, because it's more, it's also about being creative.

Right. Like, I don't be wanting to rush the music, and I don't want to feel like, oh, I need to do this. Like, you know, I work at my pace. You have a home studio or you go to the studio? I go to the studio. Okay. What's the environment like? As far as, like, the studio environment. You know, a lot of guys

I see that they need a lot of amenities in the studio, whether it's any hot girls around and then you have certain drugs or alcohol or food or candy like what is inspirational to you um i go to the studio alone most of the time like i invite people sometimes but it can to be a lot when you in the studio trying to focus and then you got 10 people doing all type of you know like it can't be a lot sometimes but that's how i would feel for sure i look at rappers like i can't believe you're able to be creative with this much shit going on around yeah so i like started inviting people around just so I could get used to that because you know in some studios it's going to be

people there. So it's like I do it sometimes but like most of the time I go to the studio alone it just be me and the engineer. Are you dressed up when you go to the studio? It depends on the day. I'll be dressed down. I might go in with a you know a mask like or I might just go in like this like I'm not true with it. I just think it's fun when I see rappers and they're in the studio by themselves or with like two other people and they got that like $800 shoes on and the whole outfit and I'm just like, damn. Damn, like you need to do that to, like, channel the power of the drip? No, not really.

I'll be dressed down most of the time when I'm in the studio. I'm dressed down. Girls are always looking for any opportunity to not get dressed up because it's such a pain in the ass. It's so much. Like, right now on these jeans, killing me. Really? Yeah, these are some. I can't even see them.

They probably can. Yeah, these them soupies. Fuck, okay. So tell me a little bit about your upbringing. You're from Cincinnati, which is a little bit out of ordinary. We haven't had a shitload of artists from there on here. Yeah. It's, I mean, it's a wonderful city.

It's like You got the good and the bad That come with it I'm from downtown Cincinnati That's the West End I heard you're from like the worst area Yeah that's like The worst like

Okay you got downtown Cincinnati And then you get all the other neighborhoods Right But the other neighborhood Like people They can't come down You know on our side It's not really

You know safe for people It's not dangerous No outsiders allowed It ain't really safe for us It's not safe for people In general And it was always like that even when you're a kid? Always.

Really? It's actually gotten a little better, like, recently. It's, like, have it moments. It's moments, like, but as a kid, it was, like, 100% not safe. Really? Like, I wouldn't just be inviting my friends down there, like, you know, and wasn't really safe like that. Were your parents really cautious? Nah, they were, they born in it.

So it's like, you know, it's like they're used to it. It ain't much, they ain't seen, they're born in it. So they would let you play outside and shit? Yeah. What was the concern? It's like a, it's in our blood. Like, you know, I didn't really have the parents. It was like, oh, you can't go outside.

It's crazy. Right. No, we outside. My parents outside, too. Were you seeing crazy shit from a young age? Yeah. Do you have memories of seeing shootings? Yeah, all the time.

That's normal. That's really normal. That ain't even like, that's super normal. Really? Shootings and, yeah. We'd have been running from shootings. We'd have been in the crowd where they were shooting it. Like, it's serious.

You think you've been traumatized by having to live through that? Hell yeah, I'm traumatized. Yeah, I'm traumatized. It's just like a, you know, when you grow up in something and you really grow up in it, like I've been in downtown Cincinnati my entire life. Like I didn't leave and go duck off and like I've been there my entire life. Right. So like I'm really, you know, I'm one of them.

Right. So it's like we just think everything, shootings, killings. It's been everything. Sometimes one thing that my therapist has said to, me a bunch of times that I think about a lot. She's like a lot of the people that you interview have extreme undiagnosed trauma that they often haven't confronted. You know?

And like it's not really like thought of that way. But when I think about some of the stories that my friends have told me about growing up or whatever, I'm just like, it is a fucking miracle that you're as normal as you are, given that you've seen this kind of shit from such a young age. Yeah, it's like, because you adapt to it. if you don't adapt to it you're going to be somewhere with your head cut off

so you got to adapt to it you got to know what's right and what's wrong too also like you don't want to get caught up in it like that's the last thing to do is to get caught up in it but you know it's good and bad because like I would rather be

grew up in that community than grow up in the suburbs and then be in the real world not knowing what's going on right like if I know I grew up in this type of environment I know how to move and survive That's how I feel.

I know. I look at my kid every day and think you're not going to know shit. You see what I'm saying? For real, like, it's like you want to know how to survive. You don't want to be nowhere in the world. Oh, I'm out in L.A. Don't know right from her home. Like, you know where to stay away from, how to move.

Like, it play a big part with your life. And I feel like the community helped us be better people for the, like, you know, for the future. Right. Do you, but do you look at that upbringing? Like, we talk a lot about the fact that. it's hard for dudes because there's so much pressure to get into gangs or crimes, selling drugs, et cetera. As a woman growing up in that environment, how is that different?

And how did you view the world around you at that young age? At first, it was like we kind of was blind to it. Like, we got one of them neighborhoods. People, they can't come down there, but they would love to come down there. You get what I'm saying? People would love to just be there because it's like, you hear about it. Like, their parents tell it, you know, even if you're not from my neighborhood, your parents than told you about it.

Like, because a lot of people, they'd be from different neighborhoods, but their parents might be from downtown Cincinnati. And they might have just moved and felt like, okay, I'm not going to let my kids grow up in that. So it's like, you know, you meet, I went to school with people that wasn't from where I was from, but they would love, they wanted to come there so bad. Like, we just want to, let's go down there.

Like, but you know, like, it ain't that easy to just bring people into it because, like, I'm not even safe in it. Really? It's like, it's very unsafe. just as a whole, the community. But, okay, was it the kind of community where you have older dudes,

street dudes or whatever, who are, like, really taking care of shit? Or was it just straight mayhem? Just like people indiscriminately going at it and there was nobody, like, governing it. We all chilling at the park. It's liable to be going down tonight. Like, we don't know that.

We're just kids. We're at the park. We're doing kids stuff, you know? Like, and then next thing you know, shots firing, you got to move around. So it was like, it was like a gift and a curse, honestly. Like, I'm blessed to be from there, though. Like, I wouldn't want to be from nowhere else.

For sure. Nowhere else. What was high school like? High school. It was cool. You know, everybody coming. They're trying to bring their best fits, best, you know, the gear, the money. Everybody wasn't really getting money at the time.

And money really, I ain't even act like it mattered that much back then. But if you was getting it, you was getting it. Okay. But it wasn't really our community. had us so blind we wasn't even really the money wasn't even mattering that much like you would get some money then go spend it all on outfit right you know like just like just trying to we everybody linking up we linking up like it's it was so we was blinded because it's just that type of community like it was you really was blinded to the real world right was so when you were coming up did you know a lot of people were hustling and doing well for themselves or was that even like did you know people who had business or was that even like did you know people who had business or anything like that? No business. It's just straight street,

fredic and that was it. It wasn't no, oh, I got this property. I didn't know, no friend, none of my friends ain't had properties, wasn't doing nothing legit.

Everything was illegal. Was there any rappers you were looking at as like the hometown hero at that age? Yeah, Scali. Okay. He's from my community too. Oh, nice.

Mm-hmm. His name Scali. Yeah, he was like, he had the city, though. He had the city on lot. Okay. Like, it wasn't,

it was the city. Not just my community. everybody even if you wasn't from down there everybody were you always interested in music or were you fucking around freestyle at a young age um i started doing music and no i wasn't as a kid no i play sports i played basketball based like sports every sport almost you kept doing that even after high school no oh okay it was over like ninth grade it was over oh okay it was over you know because you start seeing other things and you start getting into other things and good things and good or bad things?

Bad. Really? Primarily. I wouldn't even necessarily say it's bad. It's like a hustle. Right. You know, so it was like, once I started getting into other things,

it was like, I ain't had no time for this. This one bringing no money in. You know, household was different at the time. It was time to figure it out myself. Because I was getting that from listening to music. I'm like, she sounds like she's done some hustling in her life. Or she's just saying it. Nah, I ain't just, uh-uh.

Like, it's a well-known fact. Everybody in my city, though. If you know me, you know better. How'd you get put on to that kind of lifestyle? I was already born in it. Oh, okay. So it was like I just adapt. It was easy for me to adapt to anything because I'm born in it.

There wasn't some bad dude at one point to put the batter in your back? I control every situation, you know? Like, I'm not a leader. I don't follow the situations. Like, I was doing things and people around me wouldn't know how I was getting my. Really? They just see me with it because I'm not really a person

I'm not trying to talk about it. I'm trying to do it because I had to do it. Like, I'm not old enough to get a job yet. Okay, I got to figure something out. Right. You know, so it was kind of already in me. Like, my grandma, gangsta.

Really? Yeah, like it's really in me. That's interesting because I feel like with a lot of girls it's kind of like a challenge for them to find their own sense of confidence. And so a lot of times we have that assumption

than when you hear about a girl getting to rap or a girl getting into the streets or whatever, that there was a dude who was at the very least coaching her on how to get into whatever kind of shit she was trying to get into. You always kind of had a little bit of that force of personality? Yeah, I was into it before the dudes around me. They was kind of late.

Right. Like, I really was, I was been in it. I was just quiet. I knew like, okay, I'm a female. I can get away with this. If I'm about myself, nobody ain't going, you know? Like, if they don't know nothing, it's nothing to talk about. That is a good point.

Like, I was by myself. I wasn't really being. I was still hanging with the, you know, with the gang, but it was like I was by myself when I was doing what I was doing. Did you ever have legal problems associated to this lifestyle? No. As far as like. The cops, like you never had issues with all that?

No. Like, you know, they. We, tickets and stuff like that. I've never been in no trouble ever. Really? Like as a kid, you know, a lot of driving. without license. I might have 13 warrants at the time,

mask driving without license tickets, like just stuff like that. But I went to juvenile when I was like 13. Really? I did two weeks in there for masks, man's driving without license, weed tickets, truances and stuff like that. After that, I never got in trouble.

Really? You were smoking weed at 13? Mm-hmm. You still smoke weed now? No, I just actually stopped. How long ago? Like a couple, like a week ago, two weeks ago. Perhaps it'll stick.

Why'd you stop? Because it's like, weed can't make me like I get irritated fast. I'm a gym and I'm a jimini, so like we really be, you know, like snappy. Yeah. So like the weed.

I wouldn't want you yelling at me. Yeah, like I could be having a positive conversation like and it might be something I need to hear but if I'm off the weed, I might not want to hear that shit at the time. Like, I don't want to hear that. You don't need to be like that, especially when you entering this type of business, you need to be full-fledged. You want to be straightforward, straight up or down.

You don't want it to be like I'm just holding myself back because I'm getting high and I ain't in a mood. You know, like, so I had to really let the weed go. It felt like it was because when I'm really smoking real weed, not no play play play. Not no play-play. You were getting real high. Yeah. No limit. For real.

So I had to really stop. Like, I had to stop. Respect. Okay, but so then you're doing your thing in the streets or whatever. Like, what has to happen before you get interested in rapping? Like, how did that become a thing? We used to, like, me and my friend K. Wan, we used to get drunk and record ourselves rapping and stuff.

And then the next day we'll watch the videos. And he was like, you need to rap. But, you know, I'm really not. I felt like I was so lit in real life. I'm like, rapper. I didn't want to be no rapper. It's hard to imagine before you get in there. Yeah, I couldn't take it serious.

I'm like a rapper because that's really something I never thought about. That's the hardest part of being a rapper is accepting and fighting past the fact that people, your friends are going to like laugh at you wanting to get into it in the beginning, I think. Yeah, it's like you want to be a rapper. So it was like I tried it. I tried to freestyle and I put it out and they really liked it. So it was like, because I told you I already played sports and did a lot of stuff. I've always been like an active type of person.

Like, so I'm thinking like rapping, maybe I do need to try this. Like, and I tried it. Seriously, like, I tried it like, 2014. That's when you started. Yeah, but I still wasn't taking it serious. I wasn't never taking it serious for real because it was still like a rapper. Like you got to think I never had social medias or none of that. You never went into that.

Yeah, I never been on my space. None of that like, and that was popular in our era. So it was like rapper. I got to take pictures and make social medias and see. Like, I was a very private person. So for me, that was kind of a lot. Like, okay, I got to let these people into my life. Yeah.

Like, you can't just make some music. You got to also be your own fucking marketing campaign. Yeah. So it was kind of a lot. Yeah. But once I got into it, I say I started taking a series probably. Because I dropped the tape in 20s, like 2018. Okay, that's when you started to take a series.

When I knew like, okay, this is really what you need to do. Because I started, once you start getting good at it, you realize like, okay, I'm getting better. So it's like if I'm getting better, if I keep going, I'm going to get better and better. So it was like 2017, that's when I really knew. Like, I'm hot. Like, I'm hot because I stopped writing too. People were fucking with it in the city or online. Like, you know, SoundCloud.

That's one, because I didn't have no YouTube or nothing like that. It was SoundCloud at them days. So it was still like I knew that I was hot because the streets was like when they were seeing me. That's a lot. In my community, if everybody really, because we ain't sugarcoat with nothing. We ain't fin to just be like, oh, yeah, you my people's, you hot. Like, if it ain't right, it ain't right. But you were feeling it when you went outside.

They were like people actually fuck with it. Yeah, people used to be like, you need to take it. They was telling me to take it serious. It's like they knew I wasn't taking it serious. Like, you need to take it serious. So it was like, okay, I'm going to take this serious. And were you always scholar? Blatt? That's your actual last name?

No, no, no, my name. No, you don't have to tell me your last name. But where the last name come from? Uh, like we was, see, in my city, well, my hood. Yeah, we fuck with young thug a lot. So like, that's when he was on, he was slat. So it was like, it's like a merge. It ain't nothing but emerge. Slat, like, you know how you just, it's not a gun sound. It's more of a slat homage. Yeah, like black. Oh, yeah, I guess he does say that. It's not. It's not like black, like I'm trying to, you know, it's like slap. So it was like, we used to be, we was on young thug heavy at the time, heavy, heavy, heavy. One of the greatest.

Yeah, so it was like slime. He was, you know, he was preaching that to the world. And a lot of people was, you know, in my city, they wasn't listening to him like that. But our hood, we was, like, we was listening to him heavy. And he was saying, we was, we was rapping the slime shit. Like. You guys bloods over there? No, we don't do no gangbanging.

Oh, okay. No game bag. In the whole city, it's just like different neighborhoods? Yeah, just madden neighborhoods. We don't do no game. Like red, flag, blue, we don't do that. Okay. So you see somebody and, like, you just start rattling off what block you from or just calling them a bitch in general?

See, look, right? Our neighborhood is big, but it's about one, two. It's like six different hoods in one community. But none of them get alone. Right. Like, nobody get alone. So it's like, we ain't really, you got your certain beef. Like, you might be cool with one side, but the other side, y'all both might not like them.

You get what I'm saying? So it was just kind of difficult, but I was always an all-around type of person. Like, I could go anywhere. Right. Like, I ain't really, nobody ain't giving me no problems. Like, I can go anywhere. That sounds like, because in a way, the gaming shit in L.A. makes who has problems with each other

kind of like simpler because if you're really around it you start to know like all these people don't like these people but then on the other hand like what you're talking about just sounds kind of like chaotic where like nobody knows

who's supposed to be getting along yeah it's just it's static right like and then you might have a moment or a time where everybody be from with each other like that's how it's been right now lately right like it's just been static who are you looking at in terms of inspiration

like early on and even up till today. Who are you looking at thinking, like, I want to have that kind of energy that they have in their videos or with their music? Gucci. Luane.

Let me see, did I really been, like, all time? Sure, yeah. Gucci, Wayne, Nikki, Drake. Like, I used to, Chris Brown, too. I remember one time when they dropped their lawyer, that's around the time when I first kind of started rapping, but I was known.

Everybody knew like, okay, Skyny Black, like in my hood, they knew in my city, I mean. But that's when I knew, like, I got to step it up. They drop and shit like this. Like, I got to make it make sense. Like, some rappers had me like that. Like, I listen to their music and be like, yeah, you got to, like, you got to step it up.

If you're going to do this, you got to do it the right way. But did you ever make R&B music? Do you ever sing? No, like, I'd be messing with the auto tune. Like, you know, the melodies. I got a lot of melodies, but not really, no, not singing. But it was just more so like the fact that how hot they was at the time, it's like, I got to be hot in order to be, you know,

because it's like a friendly competition. Like if you got to produce hot music that you got to be trying to go against the hottest. Like you want to be in them topics with them when people mention it and, you know. But you get learned a lot about a rapper about who they choose to do songs with. So when we see you doing shit with Babyface Ray and Vezel and she, shit, like, is that how you see yourself as a rapper? Is that you're this sort of, like, minimalist style, like, real street type rapper? I like both lanes.

I mean, I like all lanes. It's just, like, that's like a Midwest thing. And, you know, we really, we own that Detroit music bad in my city. So it was like, yeah, we need to work. So is that what a lot of the music coming out of Cincinnati kind of sounds like at this point that people would be fucking with the Detroit sounds? Not really. Like some people

You know you got them Some artists that rap like they from Detroit I'm not really into that Like if I get on a beat with a Detroit artist I'm gonna sound like me But you know once Detroit like blew up with their music People start trying to sound like them Right you know but

Nah that's not what's going on in this And everybody got there we're really different Everybody got their own facade For real like we really It's different there So you were rapping on Facebook originally Facebook Live? I used to be doing some

No, I just We record and post it on there Like little recordings Like me, I'd be sitting here I'd be freestalling or something Or, you know, like I write a free This one I was writing at the time I'd write a freestyle

And just upload it Because it was like I was trying to see How the world felt about it Like instead of just my city And my neighborhood It was like, let me see how the world feel Because you know Facebook it's easy to go viral on any social media.

Right. So it was like, okay, if I'm going to do this, I need to do this the right way. And it was like, I was shy at first. Really? Like, naturally shy, because I know everybody, but it was like, I got to get up there and rap in front of them. Doing that into the camera just feels way different. Yeah, it's like, hold on.

So if all these people come see me, I got to get up there and rap. So it was like I was really breaking out of that stage. I was ready to break out of that stage. Like, shit, fuck it. I'm about to do it. and start rapping. Right. And everybody had already knew me, too.

So that kind of made it a lot better. Just having the degree of support from the community. Yeah, because everybody already knew me in real life. So it was like, like, yeah, she's rapping now. Yeah. Well, that's good. So it was smooth. So you felt like it hit its stride early on?

Or like, when did you really start to feel like you were gaining momentum? Um, I see, like, on, like, social media or in general? Just, you know, YouTube, social media, or whatever. it was like 2019 it might have been right uh i had went out with i had got started dealing with meek mill and them right so how did he get in touch with you he he just wrote me on i mean or did i wrote him he watched my story and i tagged him you know and they went from there right and then they was on tour him and i think future okay they was on that tour and they was coming to my city and they had somebody reach out. My homie talk, reached out to somebody who was from the city that knew me.

And they like, yeah, have her pull up here. Like, and I just pulled it up there and then we just bonded from then. Really? Okay. So what was that like? It was a good, it was a great experience. Like, it was my first time ever even dealing with anybody in the industry or anything like hands on. So it was like, it was new to me. It was like, what the hell? Right. And you know, you're dealing with dudes that are like just so used to like crazy levels of fame and money and success. that it's just a lot of times like a normal person being around that it'll just kind of be mind-blown like what the energy is like from these types of stars yeah it was really like damn i'm in here like you know like i'm at the grimy party like it's all type of people in here at j z it's like you know

it was really like what the hell like i'm time i remember really being in the middle of the party just looking around like like what the hell wow so did you think you were going to sign at first or was that conversation going around um it was more so about like we really was building like a friendship type of thing but it was like okay we want to work we want to sign you but it never really felt through all the way because it was a lot I never really knew what happened with they situation interesting yeah so it was like but it we never had no bad blood or nothing I still fuck with me can anything did you actually get to the point of having the actual conversation about signing or was it something they got fucked up with

like the lawyers were dealing with it and then it never ended up happening like more on natian but we yeah we was talking about signing and everything yes I had multiple conversations with them interesting like multiple was that a letdown when it didn't pan out nah I'm I'm from the hood so it's like it's not really much I didn't I ain't seen you know that was just like a lesson you got to keep going it's it's always going to be a bump somewhere it ain't you ain't never get through life without taking the bumps like so it was just like boom were you uh but you know were you going around acting like or feeling like it was a done deal where you're starting to like count your chickens before they hatched um like was i acting like

like i was already like yeah like was there a point where you were like really excited about it and then it kind of didn't pan out and you felt a little let down by it um i was excited but uh like i said coming from where i come from your guard always up it's never not up right it don't matter if you in the room with the greatest whoever your guard is always because it's just naturally in us so it's like I know this can go wrong, just like I know it can go right. You know, it's like a balance. So it's like, it never really, you know, I was excited, and I also knew like it can go wrong.

It is wild when you think about a young rapper's career because it's like something like that one video, somebody clipping it and going viral on Twitter could have this like big moment for your career. That's, it's not like a paid thing. It's not something that anybody could have seen come in, you know? And like you meet rappers or like you have rappers would be interested in you.

And that might seem like it's going to, to be the biggest thing in the world for a little while, and then it doesn't really turn into anything. And like, I don't know, it's just, it's wild as a rapper. How you, like, you never know. You want to have as much control as possible, but a lot of times the biggest things in your career are things that are completely random

that you have no control over. Yeah, that's how I was with the like, on my block freestyle. I didn't know that was about to, right. Like, it just, literally, I didn't, I couldn't sit right here and be like, yeah, I knew that was gonna do that.

What was that actually? That was in a, like, with a green screen, in a studio? It's outside. It was outside? So that's the actual background? Yeah. It's like...

Oh, okay. I'm over here thinking everything's fake because I'm watching it just thinking like it doesn't look right. Like I feel like this was done in the studio. It's had a like record...

It's how they film it. Like it make it look like it's fake but no, that's really the background. Oh, wow. Yeah, it's like a complex. So if you go in there you see different people in different locations

it's like a big complex. Okay. That's really the background. There's like your neighborhood or like nearby? No, that was. It was in Atlanta. Oh, you went out there to do it.

Yeah, that wasn't in my city. That was in Atlanta. Okay. How'd you end up doing that? Like a press run. You know, Atlanta press run. My team set it up, and it was just like, showed up, and I did it. And that was a song you already had on a project.

The song was already out? Mm-hmm. Oh, okay. Because then you put the video out afterwards, right? No, the video was out before. Oh, okay. Mm-hmm. Oh, all right.

So the freestyle must have just come out then, right? Yeah, it just came out in February. Okay. Interesting. So do you, are you like really putting in work in terms of the music? Like, you feel like you're still like getting a lot better all the time when you're recording? Yeah, because like I listen to, I'm not the type that I just record a song and leave it at that. Right.

Like, I'm a, I take time in there. I'm recording it in. I want to hear it in. I want it right there. Like, send it right now so I can hear it in the car. And then it's like, okay, give you more ideas when I listen to it in a car for me just going in there and just rapping one. and just like, okay, yeah, mix it. I don't do that.

I go over songs, like, just to make sure I ain't, you know, because I wanted to be how I wanted to be. I don't want it to just be all over the place. I wanted to sound right. I might need to switch certain words out, like, so I like have a lot of rough, I do rough drafts with all my songs. I think more rappers should do that.

Yeah, I do it with all my songs. Because there's no way that the bars that you come up with, your first go are the best possible bars. You might, you might sometimes land on just, insane song but I mean I don't know I feel like going back and working on it more would usually be a good thing for most rappers because you want to like you want to be creative too I'm not just a I don't just rap about street shit like I got another lane I go other lanes and you know so it's like I really be going over all my songs literally I want to hear him in the car like I don't

think that word should go right there I should say another word like you know it's like you just got to be creative with it. Like, so I always go over all my records, always. Right. Like, if you think that- I touch every record. If you think your first drafts of a song is the best it could possibly be, you're probably not being honest with yourself. Yeah. Yeah, you got to go over it. I make rough drafts to every song gotta make. In the last past two years, everything. Do you feel like your fans mostly want to hear you talk about street shit or what would you say they're interested in? It's like a balance. Like people be wanting, like, they want street shit and they want the melodies too. Because it's like

you can't get enough. It's like, okay, you rap about one thing, boom, okay. I like her. She rap about street shit. But if I'm rapping about melodies and not rapping about other things, you know, real life shit, but it's still like with melodies, it's like, oh, she can do this too so they really like it all.

Like, that's one thing that I had to learn because I was doing melodies for a while. I came out rapping just hardcore and then once I got on to the auto tune and learned it, I started doing melodies. And then, for while I was just doing melody music. I'm like, no, I need to stop doing this.

I need to put a mixture. You're making little Uzi records? Yeah, if that's what you call it. That's what you call it. That kind of thing? Is that what you call it? Okay, but you said that at first you didn't even have a MySpace or a Twitter or whatever and you weren't really like in tune with the idea of having to market yourself.

What is that like for you as a woman where you know that like how you look is a big factor and how much attention people are going to pay to you? I care but then I don't like I'm not really a person that feel like oh I got to look good and like you see I just came in here normal no makeup like I really don't be caring for real but then I have moments where I want to get dressed up and dolled up like that but it's not an all time thing for me

because I was going through your Instagram last night and just like started to notice as like more and more photos of you know like the makeup's fully done the outfit looks really good And I can tell you're like really kind of going out of your way to put yourself out there like that. Yeah, like it's a mold. I got to really be in the mood for it. Like if I'm not in the move for it, I'm going to have on some sweatpants. And for real, like, I come as I go.

I don't really be like waking up. Like, oh, I got to do this. Like, I need my makeup doing it. I'm not really that type of person. Yeah. Like, as a guy, once you realize how long it takes for the average girl to get ready, a girl being ready or like being dolled up for no reason starts to make you think that they're sick in the fucking head.

Because why would you go through all that unless you were gonna be seen by a lot of people, right? Yeah, for real. You know, no, like it's drive you crazy. That it drive me crazy if I was really waking up trying to do that. But some girls are naturally like that though. Right.

That's not how I'm not like that. You know, you got some girls that just feel like, I ain't going nowhere without no face beat. I'm not going nowhere without being dressed up. Like, that's them. I'm not like that. So if you see me somewhere, I'm out. out of pocket. If I'm just somewhere like that, I'm out of pocket.

Right. That's not really what I do. But it says a lot about your confidence if you're a woman and you can like be in the club and be wearing like a fucking sweater and a pair of jeans or whatever. Like if you could style yourself so you don't have to be super dolled up. Because I always tell my girl that. I'm going to like, just wear whatever. Like it doesn't fucking matter. And she'll be like, I'm not fucking tall and skinny. So I can't pull that. It's not going to look cool if I wear some shit like that, you know. Yeah. I, I stay natural.

But I don't have nothing against people like that. I got friends like that, family. I just don't do that personally. I be chilling overall. You got a boyfriend? No. No? No.

Do you often? Like, are you somebody who's in and out relationships, or are you more often single? Single. It's just your style? Yeah, it's like relationships is a lot. Like, I'm not trying to pour all of myself into one thing.

Right. Like, and then you don't even get that in return. So I rather just, like, focus on myself. I'm not really a relationship type of. I got all the time in the world to be in a relationship, you know? Right. You ain't got all the time to wake up and chase your dreams, and you don't have all the time.

Do you feel like you're in, like, grind mode, like hustle mode, where it's like everything you do right now is really important and you can't really be chilling? I can't play. Let's play, play, play. So if I'm dealing with somebody, it got to be, they got to not have enough, too much time for me either. like we both have to be busy

I ain't got time to sit and talk on the phone all day like some days I don't even want to talk I can't be in a relationship right now that's just not true you know I can't no that makes sense but I was looking at your Instagram photos and I see you had an Instagram caption there was something about

keeping dudes in rotation and I was like oh damn all right so she boss is like that okay talk to me about about that? What is a rotation? I don't know if I've abandoned a rotation. I know I have, but they didn't call it that back then. No, it's, um, yeah, they're in rotation, you know. You had moments for people where everybody not like forever. Right. meant to be for forever. You know, it's a moment

thing, move around. But a rotation implies that there's a bunch in rotation, like Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday might be a different brother, no? No. No, it's just. something, it sounds cool. Yeah. You know, and that's something like, when you say stuff like that, the people that you do deal with, they feel some type of way about it. Right. So, you know, it's just something that's

sound cool. It's not really like, I don't even have time to have dudes in rotation. Yeah, if I had a girlfriend who was just rapping about treating dudes like shit, I would be like walking around, like wondering if my friends had another secret group chat making fun of me for the fucking bars. No, it's like, they just sound cool.

Them lyrics, that was actually a lyric that I said. But then the next photo after that said that you were accepting boyfriend applications? Yeah, see that's like a completely different energy. Yeah, it's like, they went from that to that. It's just a mold. Like, whatever mood I'm feeling.

But I really wasn't serious about me doing them. I'm not accepting boyfriend. It was just a caption. Like, it sound cool. It's cool. Get the male part of your fan base, excited. Maybe they'll listen to the new song. Let me see what she got going on.

He said, let me see what she got going. Yeah, you know, it just get on rattled up. You know, just entertainment, for real. Have you been doing meetings with labels and stuff like that? You having those conversations? How's that going? You thinking about signing? Not at the moment.

Like, me and my team, we really focusing on building ourselves and keep building. You know, I feel like it's all the time in the world the sign. If you're doing the right thing and you're doing it correctly, people still going to want to work with you regardless. As long as you keep pushing and, you know, getting stronger, building the leverage to, you know, have it to where you get a good deal. You don't want to just walk in the room with somebody and they're like, here we go this, here go this.

And, you know, like you want to build yourself up so they can come correct without even you have to say anything. I don't even got to talk. They know how to come, you know? At this early stage in your career, what does your team look like? And it might not feel early because you've been grinding for a long time. But like, I don't know, like, do you have a manager, an assistant? Like, there's a couple people you rolled up with, like, what roles do you?

I just got a partner. Oh. It's like we, you know, we're looking for managers and assistants, but it's like you can't put anybody in that position. You got to be able to trust them. You got to be, you know, we live, it's an era where you can't even trust people in regular life. So how am I trust you with some business and some money?

Do you see the Carl Crawford guy that made the studying sign to was in the club with Torrey Lanes? No. Well, that's the situation you don't want to end up in. Yeah, you see, like, for real. I didn't even see that but I definitely don't want to end up in that. Right. Like shit.

Maybe signing your career over to somebody and such a great idea. Who knows what could happen? You know, I just feel like when you're building from ground up and you just keep pushing, you learn stuff and as you learning and you push and you build relationships with people that's in this business. So as long as I'm building the right relationships with people with genuine people

and when it's time to sign, I'm going to be ready. I'm not personally ready to sign with nobody. I don't feel like I'm ready. I don't feel like I know enough to even be in the room like, okay, I want to sign. Right. You have to know the background, though you want to know everything, even though it's not like you can just, you know what's going to happen. You can't plan it out and know like, okay, it's going to happen this way.

I'm a sign and this going to happen. But it's like I at least want to be prepared for whatever going to happen. Right. Yeah, I'd rather be prepared. I don't feel like I'm ready to be in a room signing no dotted line. No. Respect. What do you have coming up?

You have a project coming out? Are you just going to keep dropping videos? Like, what's the game time? I have a project coming out in May or June. We decide on the days right now. My birthday is in May. Okay. So I'm trying to see if I want to drop it for my birthday or, like, June, full, fledged summer.

But also, I'm doing a tape with Cardo got wings. Oh, yeah, I've seen that. I got a tape with Cardo got wings on the way to. How did you start communicating with him? I had reached out the Cardo, like, in September. He reached out, like, a couple months later, and was just like, yo. email I'm sending you like he just must have you know

went and seen my page and listened to the music he just started lowering me up like let's work let's tap like he tapped in I fuck Ricardo like on a personal level that's my homie I fuck with him like outside of the business you know you do business with people

but like you don't treat them like a friend outside of it like I fuck Ricardo on both ends like business and friendship that's dope you feel like it's a big weight on your shoulders or like your responsibility that you want to put your city on?

Yeah, I got to. I can't even get this far or not do that. Like, look, I'm in no jumper. With Laura. For real, like, I can't play. I can't play. Like, this is going to go down in history. I can't even play.

So, you know, you don't want to climb to a certain level and then feel like, oh, this is like, I ain't taking this to my head. Like, yeah, I was at no jumper. Like, I'm looking at it. Like, this is a blessing. I can't believe you, but this is still like, you know, like, you don't want to feel like, oh, yeah, I got a hundred K followers.

Like, no, I'm trying to shoot for the moon. I love getting somebody's interview early on. You already done other interviews and stuff, so it's not like we're fucking breaking totally new ground here or whatever. But yeah, when I definitely, when I first saw you rap, I was just like, oh, fuck. Like, I wonder if she's got interviews because I could definitely see her being fucking big after this. So we should probably try to get in there early.

Yeah. When you wrote me out, I was like, what the fuck? For real. That's tight. That's tight that after a lifetime of, like, DMing girls who probably didn't want me to DM them, that I could DM somebody who was genuinely happy. Yeah. Hell yeah. Well, I come from nothing.

This is crazy. For real. That's sick. You've been to L.A. before, though? Mm-hmm. I traveled to L.A. It's kind of hard getting used to the time zone. Right.

Because, like, we three hours behind. So when I got here, I'm like, who, it's 2 o'clock in the morning at home. Right. You know, it's like you got to get used to it. Yeah, I feel like through the magic of coffee and or weed that I can kind of make it happen. I can force myself to go to sleep early or I can force myself to get up early. So I don't know. I just like fight through that jet-like thing.

Yes, because this time's on is crazy. You want to get fucked up is when you go somewhere like 12 fucking hours, 20 hours on the plane. And you get there and you're like really like your body has no clue what to feel. That's when you got to take Zanz or something. Like you got to fucking do something to like regulate your sleep and shit. Yeah, I'm scared of them Zans. Oh yeah, that's a good thing. I'm scared.

Definitely. Stay away from that. I don't want that to be the purpose of this interview. Getting Skyler on the Zanz. He said, got Skyler on the Zans. Pretty sure. Okay, yeah, I appreciate you coming in. It's a great conversation.

I think we all agree that you got a ton of talent and that we're very optimistic about your career from here. So best of look with everything. We'll be back. We'll be back. Yeah. And we're all looking forward to hearing more shit and everything. Yeah, we'll be back. It's early on.

Yeah. I'll give it about six months. No doubt. So we'll be back. And my condolences to all the guys who are in rotation that are getting roasted that are in their fields watching this. They're in their fields. They're going to be okay.

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