No Jumper - The Slump6s Interview: The New Soundcloud Wave, Zack Bia, BabySantana & More

Episode Date: March 3, 2022

Adam sits down with Slump6s to talk about his crazy rise! How he found his way to music, learning how to use programs by himself, playing around making beats and landed a hit! Being inspired by Ski Mask, Xxx, Scheme and more, Slump6s has a great head on his shoulder and should be on his way to big things! https://www.instagram.com/slump6s/ ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

You ever put some weed under your nuts to sneak in the club? And then once you get in there, you got all the hummys smoking nutweed. Oh, fuck. No jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And we're smoking. I'm here with Slump Success. Hey.

Matter of fact. And. SG. Y. How you guys doing? I'm good. Yeah. We're already blowing your mind?

Yeah. This shit is crazy. It is. We just kind of been, like, talking normally about stuff. then we just keep seeing his eyes light up a little bit by little bit. This is insane. How old are you? I'm 17.

17. So you're still knowing the game. It's his birthday. Is it seriously? Yeah. Should we do it? Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to you.

Hey, I'm getting excited. Happy birthday. Wayne. Wayne? Wayne? Wayne? I'm not Wayne. Happy birthday to you.

This is why when people are going to bring their homie on camera, they got to tell me to fucking look them up too, so I won't be coming in blind. Yeah, for sure. He's goaded. Yeah? Oh, you goaded? He's not.

Oh, okay. That's lit. Fuck, man. How's it going? What are you doing out here in L.A.? There's recording, working on shit. Right. Definitely.

Simple stuff. You still live in Rochester, though? Yeah. Okay. So go to school and stuff. Oh, yeah. Tell me a little bit about growing up in Rochester Because I'm from the East Coast

So I know about Rochester unlike most people Yeah I mean it's pretty normal Like it's nothing too crazy Like there's of course like The The low Parts and there's the high parts of Rochester

Yes There are good ass parts of Rochester Yeah Bad I say I was in like The dead middle Like I had I was living with both my parents for a while.

I would say probably until I was like 10. And then I started just living with my mom. And I still live with her now. Why your dad just dipped out? No, he's still around. They just ended up splitting. But he still, like, we talk all the time. But yeah, like after like fifth grade, I think,

I started living with my mom. And nothing really changed. Like it wasn't, it wasn't like, like, I wasn't in the trenches. Like, oh, I couldn't eat certain days. Like, I just lived. Like, I went to school and, like, and just did, like, normal kids stuff. Were you rap obsessed at that point? I wouldn't say rap obsessed.

I feel like that, like, was, like, later on in life. Like, when I was, like, around 13 is when I started, like, getting into, like, rap. Because when I was, when I was, when I was, when I was, when I was, like, when I was, like, I was, like, like, I was, like, when I would be around my dad, he would play, like, Lil Wayne and shit like that. Okay. So that's what kind of, like, sparked my interest in, like, rap music. Right.

Is Lil Wayne old school rap to you? No. That was a yes, for the record. For me, like, I don't know, because I used to listen to, like, Biggie and shit. Oh, okay. And that's, like, kind of older than. That's old school. All right.

And it hurts to say that because I was, like, you know, 14, 13 when Biggie died. But realistically, now, now. days that fits a little school box for sure but yeah little wayne plays like a really big role and like the whole music thing because his like remix mixtapes that he used to put out were like all i listened to since i was like 13 he said like the prototype for like so many rappers to come after him because he recorded five million fucking songs he dressed crazy as fuck yeah all the crazy face tattoos drinking lean all this shit that like he just put the whole puzzle together and like he doesn't get enough credit for how many rappers these days is kind of following that blueprint the rapper mpc the default rapper mpc i like but he's a go yeah definitely but okay what was going past low wayne though

you started getting attracted to the underground shit or the sound called rap type wave i mean like that that was probably around like 14 or 15 and that was it first started with Uzi. All of my friends in like school and stuff used to listen to Uzi a lot. I noticed you still got Uzi bars just randomly. Oozies a goat. Like Uzi's like actually a go. Right.

But yeah, it started with Uzi and then when I got into like SoundCloud because that's basically where I got all my music from then I discovered who X was and ski through I'm Dante. Wow, so you were watching

YouTube's before you were watching? Yeah, I was watching this. Oh, really? Wow, okay. What the fuck? This, like... Dante's a goat, though. Yeah, for sure. All, like, Berleazy, your rage,

like, all of them, like, all of them. I used to just, like, watch music-related shit because it was, like, all that... Like, I did, like, sports, like soccer and basketball, but I knew I wasn't going to go, like, pro in that shit. All that shit, all those YouTube channels, and this one shit are all, like, training,

your life. Like if you want to be in the music game and if you were to just watch every fucking interview I ever did, you would pick up on so much shit you need to know. Man, I watch interview after interview after performance after performance just picking up shit and like learning from what other people do. That's dope. But you're actually taking advantage of the power of the internet. Yeah. 100%.

That's cool to hear. What was it that stood out to you about X when you first saw him? Just like how he didn't care. about like his image like he just did what he like wanted to do and people say they live that lifestyle like oh I do what I want to do and like I'm my own boss but to a certain extent they're lying because like there there is point in times where you have to like stop and hold yourself back because you don't want to jeopardize something else he didn't care like he was doing whatever he thought was right in that moment right and it was just like so like refreshing

I guess because everybody else is so fabricating and stuff. Right, like all the normal things the rappers do to make money and shit, like he just didn't give a fuck. I remember right before he died, like the last time I talked to him, he told me like, bro, I'm going to Russia. I'm going to do a show for 500,000. And I remember thinking like, oh shit, he's actually doing something for money for once. Because he never mentioned like, I'm doing this and I'm going to make this amount of money.

Like he never said anything like that. I could get into so much as to why he's like my number one. but like RIP him ski mask it was such an honor meeting him and like for him to like tell me about his experience with him was crazy

when did you meet him? I met him at Summer Smash Oh nice and what was that like It was crazy How much did you fan out? Oh yeah It was me and my friend Santana

and we met him and it was just like crazy because I'm pretty sure like he knew like one of our songs like the song that like really blew us up He's tapped in Yeah, and it was just like, what the fuck? Because, like, he, like, him and X were, like, gods.

God's. Like, so to meet him and for him to, like, semi-even acknowledge the fact that, like, we're rappers, it was, like, it was, like, crazy because it's, like, that's, like, one of my idols. Right. And after that day, he gave me his number, we exchanged numbers, and he had hit me, and he basically just, like, told us, well, at Summer Smash, he was basically telling us about how, like, he's happy that there's two young people that are, like, trying to put on the same, like, message as him and X. And to hear that from him was, like, crazy. Well, when you think about what they were doing and you think about what you're doing, like, do you see the direct similarity? Because

style-wise, you guys are quite different, but. Especially because he, like, pointed it out, it was just, like, yeah, I can see it. And, but, like, of course, It's going to be hard to live up to such a high legacy like X's, but I'm happy that it's being like acknowledged, I guess. I mean, when you think about what makes them unique in a lot of ways, one of the main things that stands out to me is that X was someone who, while he was huge, was not scared to go be off the internet. He's gone for a couple months. You would not see shit. And ski mask is even worse with that shit because he did put out an album, I think, last year. But, I mean, you just don't see him for like a fucking year.

You know, he just doesn't seem concerned with being a traditional rapper who always wants the face out there. The shit that Schemeass is working on is crazy. You heard on release stuff? I've been, well, I've been hearing, like, little snippets here and there, but, like, when I, you still got it. Like, you don't think you don't. You still got it. Definitely. I feel like he's never really gave the people what they wanted in a way.

Like, he'll give him some dope songs and stuff that he's never hit him over the head with, like, a 20-song project. He never really let the people get sick of him. Where, yeah. They've always just been wanting more. I mean, I'll never get sicker, bro. He's going to always be in my top five, both of them, forever. So you started making music around that time? Yeah, it was around like 6th, 7th grade.

I, like, started to try to record on, like, garage band and shit on my phone. And then I had, I had tried, I've been doing that for, like, a year. And then I finally got, like, a, like, it was in a lot. lot. It was like a hundred like genuine people that would like tune into my music. And from there, I had met the um, so fago. Yeah. And so he had like a group at the time and they had all, um, like told me you should try getting FL like you should try and get a laptop or a computer. And you met him online. Yeah, through Instagram. Um, and then I had originally as my mom for computer and she was like, no, you're going to get like a virus.

I don't know what she was like trying to get at. I don't know. I don't know. Did she not know that much about computers? No. So that probably, yeah, but. Honestly, my mom would say shit like that all the time. When I was a kid, you were just getting virus.

But yeah, like, it was just like boom. No. But after like a couple months of trying to like convince her to give me a computer, she just basically like let me have her computer that she had already. and I was just like, all right, it's a computer, fuck it. So I had got like FL and I just started like trying shit. Like my friend sent me like a couple of things to like get me started. But really all it was was just like me trying shit out and wanting to do it.

Like looking up YouTube videos, finding out how to do certain stuff that I wanted to learn how to do. Right. And then yeah, I've been, I still record myself now. and I'm a junior right now so that's like five years Were you just literally coming home from school every day And just going to work? Yeah

Like every moment that you had It was literally like every Every like free time I had I never really did like homework and shit So I would just come home and like After basketball or soccer practice Just come home and start like trying shit Right and you were just figuring it out

Were you watching like tutorials and shit on YouTube Trying to figure out the right way to do shit? I mean, I would find out how to do it to a certain point, and then I would just say, fuck it. I don't feel like listening to this guy's directions and figure it all myself. Right. Yeah. That's basically how a lot of the stuff weren't. So you're just making like a shitload of songs and just like each one just keeps getting better little by little? Yeah. At first, it was a lot. Like, I feel like I used to record a lot more back then than now because I take a lot more time with everything.

But back then it was just like learning stuff and then going with it. Right. You can kind of take it for granted that your very early shit is going to not be that good. So you're just trying to get past that stage. Yeah, I already knew. Like, people would tell me my shit was asking. I was just like, oh, well, I'm going to try and get better. Right.

It never really affected me to the point that, like, I wanted to stop or something. From the beginning, though, did you very much want to go in, like, a somewhat experimental direction in the sense? I feel like you were always kind of pushing at the edges of possibilities. I mean, I started listening to Uzi.S. So off-rip, that's like experimental. So like from me really all only knowing people like Lil Wayne and Uzi who are both like big innovators and like rap music, that kind of gave me like a head start because I already like knew how to like

mess around with like different like flows and melodies and stuff like that. So from like an early point of my career I was always good at like coming. up with new shit right i feel like you're part of a whole generation honestly that saw x kind of started out as like a regular rapper and then take all these crazy wrists on his albums and that that that basically told a whole fucking generation of rap fans and up-and-coming artists that like you do not need to be in any kind of box at all you can completely get signed as a rapper and make a fucking acoustic album and it could be one of the biggest albums of all time so many people saw that And we're just like oh fuck like I don't need to be confined as long as people see you like

Being confident about the shit that you're putting out they're gonna like it because it's like if he if he's confident enough to put it out to like So many people then it has to be worth to it works that's what I'm saying We've seen a lot of people take risks exactly like bro Cardi The whole lot of red shit like yeah nobody expected to come out with that shit But then like after people really sat down listen to it now he was able to go on whole tour and sell out arenas because that's shit so like it's really all to be being about like confident what you do yeah because to be honest like a real legend you can never really be a real legend by just doing whatever the fuck everybody else is doing you have to take risk like the people

are going to be viewed as legendary are always going to be the people who change the shape of what the fuck is going on in the culture by doing something so different that everything kind of moves because of it yeah that is when you make your own like wave right make your own legacy type shit. So how did you guys become friends? We met over like Instagram and like Discord and stuff. It was Instagram. I remember how. It was like, because he dropped this song called Upit. Okay. And I d-in him and I was like, Upit's crazy.

Yeah, he did. And then he did me back. No, but he didn't like, he liked my message, but he didn't follow back to like the next day. Oh. And you're sitting there just like, hmm, so he fucks with me, but he don't really fuck with me. I was like, damn, you don't fuck me. But then he followed me the next day. Right. And then we had made a couple songs. We had made a song called

Fuck the Goofies. And we got, I got that title from, I think it's in like, where's Jay from Missouri? I think one of my friends had told me about like this disc track, some guy in his city in Missouri had made. And I was just like, I don't know, this song is like loud and mean. So I just want to call it some bullshit. We called it fuck the goofy.

This is like a fake drill song. I mean, it's just like loud. That's a really loud song. You were never tempted to be a drill rapper? Bro, it literally almost broke his speakers. No, no, I've never tried to be a drill rapper. I don't know how, like, I sound stupid on a drill beat. Like, it's not for me.

I've done it a few times, and, like, I have a few drill songs, but they're not like, like, the New York City drills are always, like, you like, you can hop on those beats and have fun with it, but the the literal content is the shit that it makes it. I feel like you have to have a voice for it. Yeah, like you have to have some different shit because everybody in that like whole scene

like that's how they go up as if you're like good at some different shit. You guys should stick to the scene that you're in because that's a scary ass scene. Bro. They're killing each other. Oh yeah. Like, bro, the place that like we're in

is a good play. Like we just be chilling, you don't really got to indulge yourself into stuff like The fans don't have like the expectation. I feel like the place where like the fans are like strong. Yeah. For sure.

Like they're like watching you grown. They, if they see you from like your beginning stages, they're going to stick to you to like ever. Right. Definitely. Yeah. I mean,

a lot of people like at a certain point we're basically saying the SoundCloud rap is dead. But now there's like a whole new generation of all these different rappers who kind of embody the ideals of it even if it's like a whole new generation. Yeah. Like we still use. SoundCloud like the same way that like the last I mean just to the outside people is like the last generation or last wave or whatever but we still like utilize SoundCloud and stuff it's really like it's really important to use SoundCloud in this day and age because it's a free app you don't have

to pay for it right and you can just listen to music that isn't on the radio or that barely anybody's listening to it and do you feel like the important part is just that it's that direct connection to your audience? Yeah, it feels crazy, like, seeing an artist go from so small to so, like, that's like a really rewarding feeling for, like, the listeners because they're like, damn, I really stuck it out when people were calling this thing an ass or whatever. Like, that, that, I feel like that's really why the fans connection and, like, the underground are so crazy.

They're like, somehow, like, waiting two weeks to get the shit on Spotify. Bro, that's what I'm saying. That's what I feel like SoundCloud is fine because it's. It's like, it's low-key, like, you can customize everything. I don't know how they do it because, like, I can't, all my music's on SoundCloud, all of it, like everything I listen to is on SoundCloud. I use Apple Music, but SoundCloud is for songs that can't be on Apple Music. Because with all the samples and everything, that's the main thing, right?

Yeah, we just dropped this song that had a sample. Yeah, we couldn't drop it on Apple Music because that's a sample. Do you try to upload it to album music and it gives you a fucking warning and just says, like, no? I don't be feeling like trying that. I don't like talking to people. Like, I don't like having to go back and forth with people. So I'll just be like, all right, bro. I want to drop this song, so I'm going to drop it on.

But I've known a lot of artists who are like that. And then they, like, sign up with tune core. And they all of a sudden start getting that streaming check. And then they're like, hmm. So if I put this project on Apple Music and shit, I can make this amount. No, like, all right. I mean, SoundCloud is like to build your fan. Yeah.

And I feel like you could start putting shit on, like, Spotify and Apple Music once, like, you have that thing. Yeah. I mean, it's good to start early. like with that album music and Spotify stuff just so like you don't have to re upload stuff but but sounds like it's definitely like where you could build a good foundation of fans at definitely so yeah how did you start making connections with all these other rappers and shit you guys just met in the DMs randomly but yeah where i was all this happening a lot of it had to do on like discord and instagram group chats like that played a really big part of it for like a while

but now it's really like moved on to like discord and stuff because that uh kinder is more to like the artists and like you're able to work on on stuff through like discord um but yeah like a lot of a lot of the people i've met i mean now i'm not going live now that i've been like traveling more a lot of people i've met are have been at like shows and festivals well you also blew up during the pandemic where it was like extra hard to socialize yeah for sure It was definitely like people knew me, but people didn't like know me because of the fact that we like nobody could travel. Nobody could really do anything. And it's not like you're in New York or L.A. either. You're in Rochester. Yeah, exactly. The internet is like. Literally like by myself, bro. When I tell you this whole quarantine shit has been so boring. But that's a story for another thing.

So were you just like not even in school for hell along? No, bro. During my like online school that I had to do. when quarantine like first hate I wasn't doing shit and I felt so bad because my mom would have to see that report card like every fucking few months but I wasn't doing it I literally would just like wake up at like 12 o'clock in the afternoon

and just start recording and then not go to sleep to like 3 p.m and then just repeat the cycle for like six months and my appetite was just like pizza rose and like Gatorade but in a lot of ways though that's like your training right there because otherwise you would not have all the time in the world.

If I sat down and did my work and did all the shit I was supposed to do that year, I would not be in the position that I am right now. So at the time, it seemed bad. It seemed like, oh, he's not about to. But in the end, and I'm about to graduate still. Even though I feel all those classes, I'm still about to graduate this year. Right. So it's just.

What's the attitude like with all the people that you're around back in your hometown and shit, though? because I'm sure like 99% of them got nothing going on, right? I mean, it is, they live their regular people lives. I mean, for me, I go to school during the weekends and then I'm usually out somewhere else during,

or I go to school during the weekdays and I'm usually out during the weekends. So I go in, I just try, I try to just move around the school as tech as possible because the middle schoolers and all the weird old kids in my school, but I'll be trying to move around for them. But I literally just go there, do like the bare minimum of work and then get out.

But are they fascinated with like, why are your songs that have a bunch of plays? People are interviewing you and shit. Yeah. And like when I tell you, when I go home, bro, and this is out and everybody, like, oh, my God. Shout out to Rochester. Yeah. Nojumper.com. No jumper.

But yeah, like the first week of school, everybody was just like stunned because they're like, I didn't even, I thought he lived in like, like, nobody knows I'm from Rochester. Like, even though I say it all the time, like, it's still like a new fact when people hear that I'm from Rochester and not like Atlanta or L.A. or something. Right. But, yeah, like the first week of school, there was a lot of pictures. There was a lot of weird shit that went on. I think the first week of school I had to like slap some kid because he followed me

into the bathroom. It was really weird. What was his plan? You got pee on your shoe or something? I really don't know. It was a weird interaction. You ever bust that move, though, when you're at the urinal and you pee on somebody's shit? No.

What the fuck? I had a homie who told me you did that. I was like, that's the most badass thing I ever heard. I'll get so pissed off. If somebody's going to be my shoe, bro. I'm not going to lie, bro. I'll fight fucking Brock Lesnar if he pees on my shoe, bro. I'm going to be so mad.

Nah, literally. I've been seeing pranks like that on YouTube. Yeah. What's the most essential YouTube accounts to watch from you guys's perspective, like to stay up on the culture? Just reaction channels. Reaction. I'm not going to lie. I've not been watching YouTube.

No? Yeah. No. YouTube, like, channels, like... Bro. Got, like, gaming, all that shit. The pranks on there are fucking stupid. They're so fake, yeah.

Bro, they make me, like, want to become an actor because it's like, there's no way they just suck this bad. Yeah. But, like, they came up off that shit, though. Like, when I was in, like, middle school, all them pranks and shit, they, they, they was running that shit. I'm not going to lie. Now I think about it. I was so young and I was. believe it. I was like, I was eating

that shit up. I really thought it was real but now looking at this like, it's not. Because me as a YouTube when I think about it, it's like, yeah, I could go film a real prank video if that was my thing. It might take me like all fucking day to get a couple of good reactions or I could have my friend or my

friend's girlfriend or whatever just act freaked out and that would be so much. But those channels really appeal to like young kids. No, yeah, because they're naive and they could just like, and they don't know that shit. So. There's people who make like horror kids videos. No, yeah.

Those niggas are weird. I'm not going to lie, bro. What do you mean? They're like torture like children's toys. And the niggas I'll be doing the 3 a.m. videos. Bro. They just be making shit up, bro. I remember when niggins will die and they'll just be like calling them at 3 a.m.

It's like, bro, who the fuck are you calling? I have beef with the biggest dude who did this. You're talking about that did the X video. I think I know you're talking about. Because when he did the one about X, I was so mad. Literally, I think I commented under that video, but I was tight, bro. I'm like, what the fuck is he doing?

But he got his whole channel deleted and everything. Dude, fuck, bro. Like, what the fuck, bro? I ain't gonna lie. I started watching. Like, I watched him when I was like in seventh grade. So I did believe it in seven grade. I love that you guys aren't saying his name, not giving him any clout.

I did believe it. But, like, now I was just like, how did I believe that? Like, it's so like fake, but I was. I was always the type of kid that wanted to, like, depict everything. that went on. Like, when I was watching a movie, I would be annoying as fuck. I'm gonna be like, that shit's not real. Yeah.

Like, so, like, when it was that YouTube shit, I would pick up on that city. Now I feel bad about being that person because I was watching a movie and I'll be pointing out everything like, that's not what would really happen in real life. No, yeah, but that's probably why I don't watch movies now. I don't do it. I don't do that movie shit. Do you got, like, tunnel vision in terms of the music? Yeah, kind of.

Like, literally all I do is, like, this music shit is literally like my life. Like, this is how. I'm living like I'm really like really grateful that this is my career path because if it wasn't I don't know what I would really be doing I mean it really allows you to be yourself you know in a way that pretty much every career path you kind of have to fall in line and be a certain type of person I never wanted to be like old and like paying like having to be worrying about like bills and shit like that was my biggest concern because I would see like my mom and like family members have to do that shit like like being like damn

I have to save up for this shit like I just wanted to be able to like get them out that shit because it's so like sad yeah it's a sad it's a like that shit is depressing thinking about it because it's like

it's not sad you have to just I feel like it's not sad if it's something you want to do but yeah if you're I can't picture myself doing anything if your passion is like a doctor a lawyer or some shit and that's something like you really want to do

then of course go do that shit but like for people that have like artistic desires like shit that college can't provide for you it's just like you really got to be like on top of your shit I still to this day like if I go to the grocery store I'm looking at the

employees like I respect the fuck out of it so much that you could stand here and work for 10 hours straight but when I think back to where my mentality was at I would have done anything to avoid that I would have fucking traffic drugs done all kinds of crazy shit

just to not have to stand up and work at the grocery store. It just was not happening. I would have took all kinds of crazy risks. I'm not going to lie. I was like this close to getting a job at like a convenience or some shit like that. But I'm happy I didn't because like

now I can do shit like this during like a school week. Do you think it would have drained you of your artistic energy? Hell yeah. Because school already did. Like I would come home and not want to record but I'm like, bro, I have to.

Right. I, like, have to. But, bro, if I had a job, like, I would have to come from school and then go to a job. Oh, no, I'm not going to lie. You probably would have seen me go ahead and music. I appreciate the honesty. Yeah, I'm not going to lie. That shit.

That's what I'm saying. Like, for the people that do go and do that shit every day, the biggest respect to you because you're able to do what the fuck I can. Yeah. Because I'm, I see my mom wake up in the morning at, like, six. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. I'm not going for that shit. She's going to be like, why'd you have to say six like that?

I'm off. All right, question for both of you is, when did you really start to feel like your music was connecting? And, like, you actually had a son that people were really fucking with, and you were like, oh, fuck, this might be really happening. Well, for me, it was antisocial. It was really, like, quick. Like, everything went by that's the fuck.

Because it was, like, we dropped it because it leaked. Like, somebody leaked it. And we were just like, fuck, we got to hurry up and drop it. We dropped it. And then in like a week, it just like went up to like 100K. And at the time we're both that like 9K, 6K, like we're nowhere near like averaging 100K on a song. But that day, that time that we posted it, I guess it was just like the perfect time.

And then boom, out of nowhere. Like a week later, it's just a hundred different TikTok trends, a hundred different people using the sound. And then it's just more and more people getting put it onto the song. And then it really just became like a household song. Like everybody really knew like the song anti-social or at least the part that people were like fucking with. Yeah. And so like that was the point where it kind of became like, oh, okay.

Now everybody knows about this one little thing at least. And I'll always be grateful from the TikTok community just because they already played like they played such a big part in my career. And on top of that, it's literally like the biggest app ever. So like I can never be. like ungrateful of the of the people that help push my careers to such like a far position because nobody would really expect their song to like go with that crazy and the ultimate promotional device yeah yeah for so like that that could take your career to the next level and like a day just if your shit hits the algorithm right same question when you really start to feel like oh this

shit is working? Probably like November. Okay. Because that's when I started like gaining like followers. Followers. Because I used to never like gain like followers like bro I would literally like gain 3,000 in like nine months but now I'm like

getting 3,000 in like a month. Or like or like sometimes it just goes up like gradually. Like I don't know but it just started but I've had that like hit song like he had yet. Right. To like really do it but I'm going up like a steady. That's the weird thing about you guys' world though is that it feels like the hit

songs don't really matter as much as like the fans are fans of like the whole body of work. Yeah, because like of course there's going to be like people that have like a few songs, not even a few songs, maybe like one song and then that's it. But like when it comes down to how you're going to go from that, like how are you going to keep going from that? And personally, after that song, I dropped a mixtape, and that's been doing really good, and I'm working on my album. So, like, I'm carrying on from that really big spark that I had. There's a lot of people that had that big spark and just got comfortable, and then, like... That's the time when it's the most important that you start working your ass off.

Exactly. Like, there's people that are going to just take that shit and run with it, and then, like, eventually and give it like a year they're going they're going to be out of out of bread but like you you got to be on top of your shit you can't take big opportunities and then let it just fold because you got lazy right okay so at what point do you speak to zach bea for the first time um i started talking to zach last summer um it was when i was playing basketball and i remember he had hit me like he had DM me and it was like you're hard or something like that And I was like, I know who his guy is. Like, I know who he is, but I don't know who he is.

Like, it's like, I've seen his name before. We all had that moment with Zach where we're like, okay. Yeah. Who the fuck is this guy? Like, why? He's a mysterious man. But why do I know who he is? Exactly.

But I just, like, responded. I was like, appreciated it. And he had, he was just, like, talking about me. He was, like, asking me, like, where I'm from and stuff. And I was just letting him know, like, I'm from New York. This is that and third. And then he had, um, talked to me about, like, his label or whatever field trip

he he's just explaining to me how it works and like who works with him and then that summer I had signed to them I'd signed a field trip and so

from there we've just like been working like after that that's when I put out my mixtape and it really felt like I was taking the opportunity I got and putting it to good use because like I've never had something performed that well besides like that mixtape so like really are they involved with the music or they really just

involved with like the marketing and shit or getting it out really i'm pretty sure how it works is field trip is more like the promotion and planning side and then republic records is what does deals with like the money or whatever right so uh i don't really like go into deal with it like i definitely try to like play my role right uh i have people to like deal with that stuff like i really like just being into like the music because i was gonna say before that it's like when you really think about it it's like you have to make music and then you have to figure out how to get people that listen to the music and those are two such different things but that's really why you sign to a label is because the label is going to be able to get you out there

they just they know how to do that way better than you know how to do it well so unless you just focus I literally, like, all I have to focus on is recording the music and making sure it's good. Right. So that's, I got, like, a weight lifted off my shoulders with that. Right. Definitely. Have you, like, been to the clubs and so? Zach's, like, super famous for ruling the clubs out here?

I've been to a lot of clubs, but I'm not going to lie. Probably by the time, like, I'm, like, 20, 21, I'll probably not go because that shit is boring. You think it's boring? It's, like, I mean, I can see why it's, like, fun to, like, people that drink. but I'll never touch alcohol So like That shit is not it Bro, I'm not gonna lie

What turned you against alcohol? I don't know I just I guess like I'm a little kid for this But like I like flavored Like juice and shit And that flavor is just not it I feel you man

I never really That flavor that smell It was just not You know what's crazy is like When I first like When I read a article about him One of the quotes from somebody about him was like

everybody who gets into the nightlife business nightclubs and everything everybody gets into it either gets into it because they're trying to get pussy or because they're drug addicts and Zach is like the one dude who just realized the business opportunities that would come to him if he really focused on that.

That's a smart guy. I always give it to Zach. He's a smart guy. Yeah, definitely. Anything else to stand out that you've kind of learned from watching how he's moving right now? I just know what I really learned is to listen, take in a lot, and then just know how to apply it to different places.

Like being able to learn and listen and just stay quiet and keep to yourself. And then being able to use what you learned and use it somewhere else is like that shit's like a life cheat code. Yeah. Because that shit will get you places you never thought you'd be at. Big part of life is learning your lessons from other people before you have to go through those things, you know? Yeah. You could totally watch some interviews on YouTube and realize like, fuck, I don't want to go to prison for 20 years. Yeah. Which is way better than going to prison for 20 years and then realizing you don't want to go to prison.

Yeah, literally. To use an extreme example. That's... I'm happy. I'm just like out the way with that shit. Right. So how did the baby Santana relationship start? We originally, like, didn't like each other. Like, we both, like, mutually just didn't like each other's presence.

And I think that's what made us, like, such close friends is because, like, we didn't like each other at first. So we know all each other's bad things about each other and good things. But we started to be friends, I'll say, like, two years ago. And it was just like on Discord, I guess. Like we used to like play the game together and stuff. And it was like three months into us, like being actual friends that we decided to make like our first song together. And that song is called Surgeon. And then from there we decided to make a second song and that's antisocial.

But we originally planned it to be like a sequel to Surgeon. But it didn't even get pushed that way. It just ended up like being another song. you just start to think like oh shit our sounds work well together kind of like he he rarely mastered that fl studio shit so like a lot of the shit like i'm not going to like i learned a lot from tana helping me like with like fl studio and shit um so he he he and on top of that he's like insanely talented for his age so like it was just like always something i wanted to do because like he was just like the the song that he had sent me for antisocial it was just like some different

shit it's like I don't really know how to put it into words but it just proved to me like damn this kid really like is innovative like he's able to come up with some different shit this early and I was and that what that's what kind of like made me want to like build a friendship with him even more because that kind of inspired me to like go harder at the shit that I'm doing because like I'm only two years older than him but it's still like it made me want to go harder. That's one thing that like stood out to me a lot of listening to your shit is I'm like it felt like you really challenge yourself on every beat because it would be so easy to just sort of hop on a beat and rap regular to it but it's like you're trying to really like fuck with it and just rap definitely on each song. I feel like what definitely does separate like the 2016 17 wave to like now is like vocality like being able to actually like sing in the mic and like not sound high high like like not like not know what you could do like like not know like I don't know like

don't smoke weed type of stuff but like I'm talking about like actually like showing off what you could do into the mic like like for me i've done like rmb and stuff like that and i feel like what's that's what kind of like and so is he like like what what separates us is like versatility you choose to just challenge yourself with that kind of shit from time to time like just just to like see if i can do it see if it sounds nice right but of course like rmb isn't something like i can see myself consistently doing But shit like that is just shit you do to like change it up a little bit Just to like show people you can do different shit Yeah right because I've seen common sections where like

It's just like oh he only has one sound But then and then as soon as you do some different shit like Then they have a problem They're like oh my God what the fuck is this it's like okay Bro you can't like please but then to the people that get it it's like they get it They're like okay he can really like change Right. But that is a weird thing, though, because by the time you get around to putting the album out, the way people listen to albums, if you have 10 songs. It's always some different shit. If you have 10 songs and you kind of have the same flow on every song, it really stands out of like, oh, fuck, this is it, you know?

It's always, it's always going to be mixed reviews, especially with, like, albums, mixtapes, anything, because there's some people that like hearing the same shit over and over, and there's some people that like hearing different genres and different attempts to. to try new shit. So with that, you just got to take it under the chin and keep it moving. 100%. So you tempted to fuck around with fucking lean and shit like that? Hell no. Don't tempt you at all. Bro, that shit just don't even look like.

It don't even look appealing. It don't even look like it's like I'm supposed to be fucking doing that. Like it looks like chemicals. That shit is scary. It's like the effect can't be that fine. It can't be that good. Listen, for like people that do that shit, that's them because they get their own like effects off of that shit.

But me, I'm from, I'm perfectly fine being sober and just moving about my. That's definitely the way to be. Because I don't like any of that shit. And especially to see how many lives have been lost off of that shit, like, it just makes me not even want to like let people around me do that shit. Yeah, you have to force yourself to ignore a lot of stuff. Like not like okay even if it feels good while you're doing it you have to ignore the fact that you feel like shit the next day for however many hours You have to ignore the fact that all these 30 and 40 year old rappers that you can point to who are legends in the game

Who you have to respect their opinion so many of them went through you know a five year phase a 10 year phase however long where they were doing Pills and drinking lean and they're now talk about it like it was one of the dumbest things they ever yeah Somebody like little boozy will tell you it's not a way to live you know yeah you can that's That shit's old shit. Like, people just got to put that shit down. Like, the fact that that shit could just take somebody away so fast. Yeah. That's enough for me to not.

That shit is... I'm good off of that. If I could die... Yeah, I don't want to do it if I could die. Respect. You guys got good heads on your shoulders right there. And it's, like, it's crazy. There's been so many rappers over the years where I think about how I met them.

And they were, like, young, energetic, tons of personality. they were just so ready to go hard on the music and then they really start fucking with the pills and the lean and I'll see them six months later and it's just like a different person. Yeah. It's sad. A lot of it has to do with not having good people around you because they play a really big part

into what you get into. So like, I mean for me I only keep like the same few like five people around me just because I know they know what I do and what I don't do. Right. And then same applies for them. like I if they get into some shit that I know they don't need to like I'll let them know

but are you starting to get to that point now where you have a lot of people in your life who you see and they're fucking making bad decisions I mean I mean right now I feel like a lot of that was like earlier in my career because I definitely picked up fast that I had to start like separated myself from people I don't need to be like just cool with like they're not doing anything for me or they're not doing anything for themselves um so yeah it was really early in my career where I like kind of narrowed down who was in my like circle I guess

majority of them not being from my city like I don't really talk to anybody from like back home are you anxious to leave yeah So soon as you graduate, you're out of there? Bro, I'm not going to lie, bro. Disconnecting flight bullshit is not it, bro. Bro, I have to take a flight to Atlanta every time. And there's always that chance that you miss that second flight and you just stuck there, bro. I can't wait to move, bro.

I can't wait to move. How your parents feel about the shit that's been happening? I mean, I think from what they tell me, it's like they're just happy that I don't have to do what they did. to live a normal life. Like, I'm able to just do what I love instead of doing what I have to. Right. So, they're kind of more just, like,

happy at the fact that I'm doing something. They're not, like, worried about you? Yeah, no. Because I never gave my parents a reason not to, like, trust me. Right. Like, they, I never really was, like, a rowdy-ass kid.

I just did what I had to. Right. Well, okay, you guys are staying away from drugs and everything, but are you staying away? away from girls as well. I mean, I don't, I got a girlfriend. Okay.

That's a very good answer. I have a girlfriend. We all have girlfriends. Yeah. Look at these guys. Well, that's good. I don't know a girl. I don't have a girlfriend either, but I do at the same.

Right. She'll understand. They will understand. They will all understand. Okay, what do you... How much music do you guys actually have out together? I don't know. We have like five songs.

Five songs, all right. And then we have a couple of release ones. If you were going to put a project out right now, who would you want on the project? And how do you know young bands? The fuck? Well, he was on the last one, and I just saw that. And I'm like, that's interesting.

Young bands is my boy. Like, young bands had been rocking me first. a minute, like from the beginning type shit. So when he had sent a verse from my album, I was just like, damn, that's crazy because like him

like all of the SoundCloud days it was young men, ski, like it was all of them. So to get somebody on my album like that was really like special to me. But who I would run on my album now it would probably

So how many people are you thinking? Like, give me... I'll give you five. Five features. Okay. So this is anybody, right? Oh, okay. Yeah.

Like, okay. Okay, okay. So fuck it, right? So boom, right? First would probably be Chief Keith. Ooh. You are a drill rapper. In development.

Once you become Globe Gang is over. Yeah, facts. They're going to tell you about lean. too. I'm gonna be like no. But then second, I'll probably have Wes. Nice. And then

third, Destroy Lonely, if you know who that is. From Atlanta, yeah. Yeah, he's a goat. Definitely destroy lonely. Fifth, or no, that's my third. Fourth, I would want ski.

Ooh. Okay. And then fifth, I'll probably, young nudie. Ooh, I love young nudie, man. Yeah, facts. Young nudie's a goat. I interviewed him back in the day. That would be such a good one to do again. He was so fucking funny.

He's a goat. I'm glad you, man. I still put him on when I'm in a mean mood. Word. You got to. You got to. You play EA at any Atlanta function, bro. Hmm.

You're going to see some shit. So you actually spend a good amount of time hanging out in Atlanta? I mean, no. We had a show there, like, a couple weeks ago, and it was fun. He's from Atlanta, so he kind of, like, knew the environment more than me. Right. But, like, even me being there, I feel like I fit in well with the Atlanta people. I feel like Atlanta is my place.

Like, I'm supposed to be there. Like, if I wasn't born in Roger, I feel like it would be born in a way. Next time I say you better have dreads in a chain. I'm like a Versace fit. Where? I'm like, nah, I'm not going to lie. The Atlanta niggas dress in them. That shit is crazy.

He's like the only person out of Atlanta that I haven't seen dressed like an Atlanta nigga, but they, they dress like an improper fraction. Like it's like, it's like, they have like. I'm trying to think about it. They have like less amount of legs. Like their pants be like skin tight type shit. And then they be having big ass shirts and it'd be like, what the fuck? So many fake asses in Atlanta too. No.

So many like GTA here. Here? Yeah, I'm not going to like, here. There's a lot of good places to live. It's OD. Now, here is some different shit. Because you go to the places that niggas really have, like, money. Right.

You go and see some shit. Bro, it's like everywhere. Once you really learn to start spotting the plastic surgery and then you can't even look at girls normal anymore, I look at a girl and I got a whole fucking price budget built it up in my head. I'm like, oh, she has the eyelid thing done too. Grocery shop. Literally. Really? You did all that to go to Vaughn's. Shit. All right.

Literally. Amazing. All right. Where do you want him to go check your shit out or what do you want to tell the people that do? Everywhere, man. Go check me out on Spotify, Apple, SoundCloud. I have an Apple drop. I have an album dropping soon. He's dropping new music soon, so definitely check SGP West out. That's everywhere.

And just be on the lookout, man. Big 1500 shit, man. Big C.C. shit. You already know. Let's go. Appreciate you guys coming out, man. He hit that shit. He just went take A on us. Happy birthday, Ben. Happy birthday, Ben.

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