No Jumper - The Smoke DZA Interview

Episode Date: December 16, 2019

Smoke DZA made his way to the No Jumper Podcast to talk about his career as a whole, how he moves, being humble, Kanye for President, The Smokers Club, wrestling and more. ----- FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://spoti.fi/2vi9lsD CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/No-Jumper-198283650194402/ http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm follow Adam22 as well: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and follow adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper, coolest podcast in the world. I'm in here with the one and only smoked this. How are you feeling? Really? I'm good, bro. Can't complain. Can't complain. I was just in New York for the first time in a couple years.

Smoking big dope everywhere. What the fuck happened? I mean, I think they got tired of doing that paperwork. Just don't make no sense. You know what time it is right now? Look at that clock. Ah, shit, it says 418 up there. It's just 420 on my phone.

But look, it's two minutes to 420, even though it's 420 on my clock every day. We're right there. Works itself out. Yeah, but I mean, it says 418 up. Yeah. I mean, that's crazy as fuck for anybody who's had to smoke in New York over the last, like, 10 years. You know that it has often been extremely precarious. Yeah, that's been the only thing I've ever gotten in trouble for.

Really? Yeah. It's just letting me stupid shit, like fucking 27 grams. Right. Wouldn't even be 28. Take my weed. Hack me up. Bullshit.

Because even though it's New York, somebody who smokes as much as you. you smoke it's just at a certain point like you're just not going to be able to go inside or find a little spot to do it at sooner or later you're just going to smoke on the corner yeah i mean it's like smoking a bogey at this point yeah exactly that's how you feel but then you forget that there's still cops that have a stick up their ass but then all of a sudden that seems to have changed yeah because some of them smoke weed too you know i mean at the end of the day if um we're gonna arrest somebody that's sick that has to smoke weed it's not like we're actually out here committing crimes with it i mean you know

on a black market scale if if they suspected somebody was um doing distribution i guess then they could peer it to violence somehow and then have probable cause but for somebody that's just casually just living their life smoking weed it's a little pointless it's always seemed crazy as fuck to be worried about that i mean that that is kind of the problem though is like uh you know bigs from rockefeller got caught up with a crazy ass case for distributing many many pounds over the years, whatever. It's like, to a certain extent, they can't just let everybody smoke weed because then that encourages the black market and they don't want motherfuckers getting rich and killing

each other, et cetera. Right, right. I think, I mean, you know, that shit even go on out here. Like, L.A. is, like, probably a little more notorious for that, even though it's, it's compliancy and shit going on over here on that level. But, you know, you could still get followed and whatever. Yeah, definitely. I mean, so.

Well, at this point, it is starting to kind of become where I think dealers who just sell on the black market are starting to like, once again, be sort of looked at as people who are doing illegal things. And they're trying to do so much to make it so that it's hard for those dealers to get pounds by having the tracking systems on the pounds in the official grow ops. It's like, every pound you grow got to be labeled and goes to the dispensary. And they know what happened to that pound every step of the way. They know how many ASA got broken up into.

And all that shit is just them attempting to make it. it'll be really, really tough to scheme on the system and not pay taxes. Yeah, I mean, that's a lot, but you know, they'll figure out a life hack. Yeah, yeah, that's what they always tell me. Like, we'll figure it out once the system's in place, then we'll figure out how to skirt around the system. Yeah, like everything else. But it's weird. I don't want to be presumptuous here.

I'm going to assume that you are the kind of guy who might have made some money off marijuana in his life. Legend has it. Allegedly. Legend has it, allegedly. How do you feel the game might change for somebody who is a street deal in New York? Do you know over the plans for dispensaries and shit like that? I mean, you know, I'm far removed from that because I own a brand Smokers Club. Right.

One of the founders and owners. And, you know, we're moving into compliance and just doing different things in the marijuana world. So I'm not really, not even really. I'm not paying attention to anything black market because that's, not my lane a shit you know I mean so um or at least you know what's going on right now so smorgas club is focused on compliance and and really doing different things in in the entertainment world with marijuana so that's interesting because I notice that rolling loud like when I look at their promotional materials I don't really see anything weed related and I'm

pretty sure that's because they're trying to go to China they're trying to go international where we just look down upon a lot of places and they want to be. be able to say, yeah, it's called rolling loud, but what, the music's loud. Like they don't want to have to be caught up in being like a weed specific thing because internationally that plays a lot different. Right. I mean, I can't really speak on what Tariq is doing on that side. Yeah, I haven't asked them about that. You might have a different perspective on that. But, you know, I think for them is more for

the experience that you could see all of these dope artists in one place at one time. Because I know that's for us, me, Johnny Scheiss, like, we want to give it. experience where you can get that and it's like you know woodstock it's like you know catered to stoners right by stoners so that's our you know spin on what we do what i shouldn't you know we we started with doing the tours and stuff around 2009 um south by southwest and just you know growing and that first show like we had every who's who on that like kendrick was on that show i was on that show where it's crit spit up i think i remember that flyer yeah yeah Yeah, like, you know, it was a big show.

But have you ended up in situations where you're doing Smuggers Club shows in places where you basically can't smoke? Yeah. And it's like oxymor. It's like, you know, I'd be like, how you book Smoke Desert out of show or Smoke Does It Can't Be Smoked Zeller. But at the end of the day, you got to understand it's a business too. Yeah. So, I mean, you don't, it's kind of weird, you know, because the fans is here to do that and you're watching people that came to see you get kicked out because they're going to spark up once you get on the shit anyway. Right.

And, you know, sometimes I might break the rule. and just do it and just be like, well, fuck it. My show was almost over anyway, so I'm gonna leave with them anyway, but then sometimes, you know, you just gotta respect the game. And you don't have to necessarily be smoking to give that content. Yeah, you gotta be able to be a little smart about it at a certain point and just know the spot you're in. Because, man, sometimes you are in a venue where you light up a fucking blind

and you just see like buzz cut ass security guards just like the eyes just hit you. And it's just like they're really going to treat it like you just like slap the baby right there. Like they're going to act like you really did the worst thing ever. Yeah, they get, they did a bit extra sometimes. And I'm like, yo, dog, it's not even worth your job, dude. Like, why are you? Let the kids smoke. Like some shows like, or at least being on the road and watching die hard fans get put out, like either after my set or before my set.

And I would be the guy to go get the fan and bring him back in. Right. Now, let him back in. He's good. He with me. You know, just because. Because, you know, these kids is here for a show. They hear, you know, this is what we do at the end of the day.

It's not like we hurt in nobody. And it's not like they're underage kids either. Right. So, you know, if this is what we partaking in and this is our spiel, then they should be able to enjoy it. Yeah, it feels like a lot of the world is getting a lot more open mind. It's a weed, but it's still, when it comes to, like, smaller boundaries, you're still just sort of steadily seeing things broken down. And for me, just to go back to Williamsburg and be staying in Airbnb and to be able to would be smoking on the porch and not even thinking twice about it was a very different experience.

It feels like a different city because everywhere we're going in the city and shit. You were smoking in Williamsburg, Adam. Yeah, you were smoking in the hood with us. It's a little different. In Harlem? He was in Harlem with us smoking. That's different. In the project's like in a house, like in an apartment building.

Yeah, but yeah, true, but still in all, you was in the hood. Yeah, but I'm talking more about my days riding BMX in like 2003, 2004, shit like that where if you fucking lit a blunt Union Square, you were really looking around like you were breaking the law. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it depends where you was at, but yeah, that's true. Yeah, there's a lot of white owls getting smoked on the corner that the cops just somehow managed to ignore. But is that what you're on? What do you smoke at this point?

At this point, I'm on backwards. Okay. I was a Dutchmaster guy for a long time. And once they switched the leaf, I felt like they started making it in Connecticut. Really? Yeah. It changed up that much. Yeah, because the whole text, everything switched up and I was like, eh.

started making the weed taste funny. Really? Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah, for me, I didn't even know that there was a blunt besides a Dutch master for a long time. Really?

I mean, that was just the only thing I knew of was just my homies or rode bikes just going in the store and being like, let me get a Dutch. It didn't really. I guess I knew what Phillies too.

But what kind of Dutches, though? The Palmas, like the cigar duches or the cigar duches? Or the cigaroutes? That shit with the thing that you wrap around it and everything. But I mean,

me, I didn't really get that into smoking weed. Like, I wasn't buying wheat and rolling blunts myself until I moved to California in 2009. I was always just a dude who was smoke when other people were smoking, but I never really got so married to it that I had to, like,

facilitate my own smoking until about 2009 when I moved out here. Respectfully. I mean, living out here, you would have to partake if you're any bit of cool. I mean, it was just an education in how, like, smoking a lot, a good weed, or we thought it was good at the time at least, like over and over and over. As soon as I got out here, man, there was a lot of very early night's sleep. There was a lot of spinning out, a lot of, like, just getting too high to bust through that wall that you got to get past. You know, you meet, like, a girl all the time be like, I can't smoke weed.

I freak out. I go crazy. You know, I just didn't let that stop me. I had to break through a few of those walls. Yeah, I mean, you know, my first few times coming out here, not even few. Still, I might smoke, like, some Billy Kimball, like some Luigi and just be decapitated for the rest of the day. Yeah. But I learned to really, like, have some type of moderation.

if that even is such a thing for me when I got to work. Like right now, I smoked a little before I got it. Like, I was outside smoking before I got in here. Because I know it's this, no smoke dizzar. Yeah. No smoke dizzar. Three months left. There's a countdown until we get a new spot where we can smoke freely.

I can't wait. I'll be back so I can really, you know, conduct myself the way I want to. I don't know if I could get unpleasantly high off, like Smith splits are blunts. But if I take one dab, it's going to really affect how I'm living. Yeah. Do you dab like that, like often? But once in a while, somebody will bust them out. But I'm not really going to do it unless it's like I'm probably going to be relatively close to my bed or at the end of the night or like I'm not really trying to just be trotting around.

I ain't trying to do an interview off a dab. I can't fuck with the dab. That shit took me out the game. Yeah, that's like weed basin, I call it. Yep. I even like the whole idea of it creeps me out. That is a funny effect when a regular person sees you taking a dab and they think that you're an actual crackhead. Like, yo, like, what are you doing?

Like, yo, what is that shit you just put it in? You put it on it. What's the little shit that you scooped it? That's how I felt the first time I saw somebody do it. I was really like, oh, no, you're like a real drug addict. Yeah, that's a lot going on. It's an intense form of marijuana that I don't like to indulge it. That's not my type of thing.

I feel like you've really done a great job over the past, like 10 years or so, of creating like a really strong personal brand of just being like a cool-ass New York motherfucker that smokes a lot of weed. Yeah, I mean, you know, staying consistent being myself. So, you know, I don't really got to adjust to what's going on around me. It's really just living. If I fuck with it, I fuck with it. If I don't, I don't. And if I'm indifferent, I'm just indifferent.

Like, I'm not, I support all the young artists coming up. You know what I mean? And I support all the legends too that, you know, might want to work. Like, I'm not against working with people. You know, that's what building a camaraderie is what keep you going. Right. See the same people you see going up. going down.

So, like, is there anything about the Griselda shit that sort of inspired you or just made, like, I feel like to a lot of like a certain type of rap fan, them blowing up over the past couple of years has been like extremely motivational. Extreme. I just got off the phone with West Side. It's one of my best friends. All of them. But yeah, I'm very inspired by, uh, about what they do.

Just the craft, the, the, the cadence, the way they do. the way they line their shit up the choice of beats and you know they're they some they're some real brothers at the end of the day like we all come from from some type of struggle right and you know just to to exist in this game right now and to have the shift back to lyrics like for me it's a win i love seeing griselda i love seeing davies like you know i mean like shit like that it warms my heart because that's my feel of shit so yeah, I do the stoner shit too, but I'm also from New York and, you know, those are my peers. So to see that shit being highlighted is like, okay, cool.

So now I could fit myself in there and do what I got to do as well. I was like just having that conversation with Dave East on here where I was saying that like Bronson to me was one of the first dudes who came out who really was able to take a different approach towards a rap career where it's like, I don't need to be a dude who has a number one hit. I can just be a cool as real person from a city. I'm a great representation of that city. People love me. I can go and do some video content and do a TV show.

I could do YouTube. I could do the music thing. And it doesn't matter if my album don't sell 100,000 copies because it's all part of just creating a strong personal brand. And with you even doing the events and stuff, it's like you definitely in the similar way to Dave and Bronson and everybody. It feels like there's a lot of people who are really able to like create. these dope careers without necessarily compromising their music.

Because somebody like you, if you wanted to try to make it as a rapper in the late 90s, you might have gone and thrown on a shiny suit. At least it would have been a temptation. I mean, maybe not. But I get what you mean. No offense to Stiles. Stiles is on the album. I mean, those is my brothers at the end of the day.

You know what I mean? But I don't know. I don't know what mindset I would have been at in the 90s with being smoked. Dizzy. But I definitely, you know, that would have been placed amongst the elite. I know that. But, you know, just, I got a cult at the end of the day. Like, I got people that that follow what I do. So I don't, I never really tried to make a hit record because I never really cared about, it never was about a hit record to me. It's about a legacy. So, yeah, I might not have a song that you could be like, oh yeah, well, smoke, this is the guy that made that X.

But I have a career and a catalog and a lineage of, you know, helping artists and, you know, just being a part of the culture. You can't take that away from me. Yeah. That's more of a long-term brand building thing, you know, where it's like so many other things kind of depend on that. Like you being able to come out and do the vinyl shit, it's like that type of thing, having that kind of fan base that fucks with that is not going to really work if you're a

compromised artist. If they feel like you're just kind of doing whatever you got to do trying to make a hit, they're going to be looking at you like, you know, you're compromised, which you would be if you're really like going extra in that direction. There's something to really be said for keeping it solid and hardcore. Yeah. I mean, yes and no, because I can't say that, you know, I wouldn't like one if it happened, but it's not something that I was focused on because like I said, that's not my bread and butter. Like, you know, I'm not, I don't make radio music so I don't expect to hear myself on the radio or in the club even though it might happen right you know i mean but that's just that's just me just being straightforward just being like all right this is what

i want to do that might change yeah but for right now you know in my journey that hasn't been something that i was all the way focused on when i think back to the first time i even knew about you i think about it was a noisy piece that they did like on the basketball court and shit way back in the day it was probably 10 years ago yeah it was a while ago yeah i ran down on my mom and all types of other shit. Yeah, where were you at in your life when you look back at, like, when that was being filmed? I was still learning the game.

Like, you know, I've always been in the, I've never done a major situation, but I've been in situations, right? Contractual situations where it might have not been in my best favor, and that's not to knock anybody. Like, I'm not disgrunt to anything. But, you know, it's just learning business.

Like you got to bump your head and you have to, you don't have to, but when you make these mistakes, these are the mistakes that teach you. And it's the lessons that help you. It's even going to elevate you. It's going to leave you where you at. The goal is just to make the mistakes inexpensively. Inexpensibly. Because I made a lot of expensive-ass mistakes and they ain't that fun.

Right. Right. So to double back where I was at, you know, I was making a lot of expensive mistakes. And I was learning. And, you know, I'm grateful for the times, but I wasn't in the best place. Why, you said that? You just weren't satisfied with your life? No, I mean, I'm breathing and I'm here.

So I'm always satisfied with my life. Well, career-wise, because, you know, you always, I have goals in ones that I haven't achieved yet. But, you know, career-wise, at the time, I wasn't all the way right, business-wise. Like I didn't really My structure was there But I was doing a lot of finding myself It was like I was at a time where I was being Rebellious to a lot of my mentors

And a lot of people that was around me That was trying to guide me to do the right thing But then it comes to play with like you know I got a family So it's like But what so you have regrets about who exactly you worked with in that regard? I don't got regrets at all I don't live with regrets but you know I would have done some things a little different

had I had I probably not been just thinking like okay just let me take the bag and do this and worry about that later when you know later comes sooner than you think you know I mean later ain't always later there's always as soon as you get anywhere in your life there's always going to be opportunity to get a short-term bag that is going to fuck up some other shit that will work in the long round yeah I mean it's the music especially as a music guy yeah shit happens I mean but at the end of the day we we still all blessed to even be able to get that bag. Because there's some niggas that could rap till eternity and nobody wants to pay them to do that.

So, you know, to be able to make those expensive mistakes, you know, that says a lot about character too, that you could even be able to have something expensive to fuck up. You feel me? That's true. Do you feel like, like, have you ever lost the motivation to keep creating as a rapper? Did you ever lose that along the way? Because you have had a pretty long career at this point. Yeah, every now and then, you know?

Like, I deal with real life shit. I'm human. You know, I deal with shit with my wife that might fucking rattle me. Right. Like, I deal with shit with my kids that might rattle me, with my parents that might rattle me. Right. I wouldn't say make me lose motivation because, you know, like, I was telling one of my younger homies that was asking me about, like, when's the last time you had writer's block?

And I'm like, I don't have writers block because I live a lot. Right. Right. So for motivation, like, I live a lot. and I live a real, a really fucking cool life. And that's not even like on like, you know, lavish. Like, you know, shit, I'm doing what I want to do in my life. Like, you know, like, I'm sitting here talking to you high in L.A.

I'm from New York. I'm from New York City. I've never had a job a day in my life. You know what I mean? Look, so it's like, you know, motivation just comes from living. So I don't really. That's crazy, though, because I will. Look at my Instagram story.

Last night I'm looking at my Instagram story. I might have the night before. And I've seen a whole bunch of my friends. And they were at some cool-ass, like Thug and Migo's show or something shit. They're all backstage, kicking it with all these people. And, like, you know, I'm just really looking at it. Like, damn, I was really in bed by like 1130. And, like, woke up and went to the gym and was eating super healthy and shit.

And I'm like, happy, really happy about living that life. But then at the same time, I'm like, you just sometimes get that reminder. Like, damn, I could be outside doing shit at the end of the day. A lot of the best opportunities that you're going to come to you in your life are because you just went to some function and just tapped in with somebody randomly, met somebody, et cetera, you know? And it's like, that is the weird part about getting older, is getting further and further away from that. Whereas when I was 20, if there was some dope party going on down the street, I'm there. Right there. Right now.

I probably couldn't have got in, but I would have wanted to be there. Right. Right. Shit, man. Like, you know, I wouldn't call it jaded because I still like doing certain shit. but I don't be like gonna be out like that right yeah I mean like like because all the same shit unless it's something special unless it's something that you know one one of my peoples is doing that I respect or somewhere where I

might need to be now what it's times where I don't want to do something and I go and I might bump into a bag you feel me or bump into an opportunity right for a bag so you know trying to get out of that is a is a process with in itself, but like you said, getting older and being around the been so long and doing all the same shit, it's like, how much of this shit can you do? Like, how many times can I go to South by Southwest? Right. You feel me? Like, when you've done it 10 times. You've done it 10 times. I'm about to go to South by Southwest. I'm going to perform for the same moving crowd that's following me from venue to venue. And you might get into a feta for it. But it's like, okay,

what else? So, you know, that's where we at with you. That's beautiful. That's beautiful. It's easy to be excited about shit when it's your first time around the block. You're 18, 19, whatever. You're just like outside, really for the first time getting to go to a club, go to a party, whatever. It's like, you couldn't tell me that shit wasn't dope. Right. No, it was because it's new energy. You feel me?

New energy is always dope. But then when you repeatedly, repeatedly do it over and over. It's like, all right, what's next? You know everything about it. You remember your first time on tour? Yeah, my first time on tour was crazy. My first time on tour was with creating currency. Oh, wow.

Smokers Club. That's official. 2010. I think our first show was in, like, Canada or some shit. I didn't even have a passport at that time. And you got through it? No, I got one, obviously. Oh, okay, okay.

I got expedited in 24 hours. But, you know, that was the reason that I even got one because it's like, all right, cool. We're about to fucking go to Canada and do different shit, so I had to have one. But that tour taught me a lot. How so? I learned a lot from spinning and crit, like, performance. wise you know i mean being able to rock a crowd and just movement you know and being able to to watch them every night and learn from my peers and like repeatedly do that like get to tour with whiz

and get the tour with methadman and juicy jay and like all these people that rock crowds for real you know it helped mold my craft as well because i took bits and pieces from all of them right just being there watching i watch the same set every night and enjoy it the same way. You know what I mean? And it's like, I wasn't just watching it just as a fan. I was watching it to learn. You feel me?

Because it's a reason that these guys are successful. Something like Juicy or Whiz or whatever who just go on tour and they're just used to just grinding out these fucking back ends just over and over. You know, you have to get that physical actor going on stage and perform it down to a science. Because when you just go on tour, you do a random show here and there for your first time, I mean, you could just sort of wing it and not really know exactly what you're doing. Maybe you get by on the energy from the crowd or whatever. But if you want to keep going doing that shit for decades, I mean, that's a real skill.

Nah, the mechanics in that shit is like some whole other shit. You know what I mean? It's breath control. It's knowing when to talk and when not to talk. You know, it's even up to putting your set together with how that should be. You know what I mean? So, you know, learning that structure and seeing how that shit went helped me move. how I'm moving right now.

Right. Shout out to all those guys. Definitely. Do you do the fronto ever? Not really. Not a fanto guy. Not like that. No.

Oh, my Brooklyn homies do that shit, though. Yeah. My friend Black Dave from Harlem, he has... Shout out to Black Dave. You know Dave? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I know Black Dave. Dave has fully converted me to, like,

Fronto, except I just don't like the actual process of burning that shit and putting in the spliff and shit. It just haven't got used to it yet, but... It's a lot. That's a whole process. Salach, you might as well just smoke a bag with him just be done. It's just a lot. I don't like smoking Fonto with the white paper because it's like it tricks me.

So if somebody be like, yo, pass me a spliff or pass me a joint or what looks like a joint to me. And I hit it thinking it's a joint and you get that punch to the gut out of nowhere that. And it's like, all right, but I can't fuck with this. That's the part of the reason why I don't even smoke with people. Like I do personal parties all day. You feel that way that if a fan walks up to you and passes you a blunt and ain't really. It's not worth it? No, it's not.

It's not worth it. The way I have PCP in there? Not, not just that, but it's, you're funny. Fentanyl weed. I heard that fentanyl weeds out.

I know. I can't have a hard time believing that anybody would waste their fentanyl and putting it on weed, but. I hope you just didn't put that in the universe. No, that's a real thing. I heard people talking about this. I heard,

Artie Lang was on fucking Joe Rogan saying that there's fentanyl out there. I'm like, man, that's news to me. See, See, that's why you got to know what you're smoking and you got to know where you're getting it from and, you know, what it is because. But that's the whole never topic because you're about to just have my whole lot.

Deerle you. You need to derail me. Fet and all weed. But, nah, I'm not smoking no fan weed. I used to. You know what I mean? Like, they might, if they come to me with like tree, like I take donations. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's a good. Yeah. Bring it. Give it, dog. Smoke it. It's like fan pussy. Seems great at first. But then over time, you just start to,

your lesson. You're on your own with that. Yeah. You never did it. Oh, you're not about to bait me into that. Fuck? No, oh, you've been a married man for a long time? Yeah. Okay, so you don't even know. You never heard of it. Was there a girl in the crowd? I didn't notice it. I have no idea. I don't be girls at my shows. My shows was stoned. How do you feel about that, though? It's good. Whatever. Money is green.

Yeah. That's real. But girls be at the shows, obviously. Girls smoke weed, too, but, you know, we did to perform. Yeah. I go back to my hotel room. my life right that's real watch sports center watch uh fucking wwee network that's what you go to when you get in the hotel now yeah respect to order fucking room service or ubi eats if the room service is trash it doesn't exist but you stay up on current wrestling like that hasn't lost its appeal to you at all nah because i mean you know sometimes i might fall out with it just living my life and not being able to tune in.

Right. But I still catch bits and pieces on Bleacher Report or whatever. But yeah, that shit keeps me interested. Because, you know, I go to the events. Like, me and Wes, I go to all events. Like, we're supposed to be going to Survivor Series on Sunday. I can't make it because I have to do some shit with my daughter, but he's going. But it's not, it's not a pay-per-view that we don't miss.

So, you know, just staying in tune. And it's like, you know, getting tuning out of all the important. important real shit that's going on in our worlds to just go be entertained and just be a fan or something and just be able to just be like, cool. We know it's not real, quote-unquote. It's real to me, God, damn it. I wouldn't say it's fake, you feel me, because those guys are really getting hurt. There's no such thing as, you know, those guys faking neck injuries and, you know, those

different fucking mishaps that happen with them, although it might be scripted in a certain kind of way, but it's a sport. You know what I mean? Like it takes a lot of will motivation and talent to pull that shit off and cut them promos and different shit. Like I got a whole respect for fucking all the wrestlers in that business because it's a lot of shit that comes with that a normal person couldn't do. Yeah. I mean, it's like the rap wrestling comparison is almost kind of tired, but it's so true. When you're really watching a rapper or a wrestler like give that promo, bro, that's like you ever heard 50.

He talked his shit at the end of a song. You ever heard Cam, shout on you to start a tape off? Cam is the Rick Flair at. That's a beautiful thing right there. The best thing you can do as a rapper is get to the point where you could talk that talk so vividly that it feels like a rapper,

a wrestling promo. That's the best promos. Those are the best rappers too that entertain in that way. Right. That's kind of the problem, honestly, though, is that a rapper a lot of times can have that energy when they're young

and they don't know shit and they're not, like, exposed. So what the real world is like, they can go on camera and talk the craziest, toughest talk ever. And then they start to, you know, be 30 and everything starts to, like, feel a little bit more real. And it's, like, harder for them to go out there and just act like that big of an asshole. Yeah. I mean, I mean, pretty much. But, you know, nobody gives you a fucking tutorial when you come doing this shit.

You know, luckily you might, you might have an OG that's been in this shit that could, give you advice. But it's up to you to take the advice at the end of the day. Everybody got their own lane with what they want to do. How do you feel, though, because it's like a very specific style of rap that has kind of taken over a lot of different cities and shit. But in New York in particular right now, we really seeing like that drill wave of like real gang banging on record saying crazy as shit, so many threats of violence.

I'm not even going to name specific artists. But we then are seeing the actual violence play out in real life. And it's kind of crazy because, bro, that is just. just like a completely different world of hip hop sometimes when you really look at that shit because it's so, it's so functional. Like, it is there to provoke and represent and show what is going on in a very specific part of like street life. It is.

I mean, it's art imitating life in certain ways. But kids are expressing themselves, man. Let them kids express themselves. If that's the fucking music they want to make and it's working, it's working. It's working for a reason. You feel me? Like, before I might have been a little ignorant towards the whole idea of it. Because making music with substance and like, you know, I'm really racking my brain

trying to think of this shit and these niggas is just coming with the whatever, you know, it'll have you a little resentful, right? Until you look at the art and you think like, yo dogs, like, it's something for everybody. Like, it's a crowd for everybody. Like, that's just not the crowd for you. Like, why are you trying to make them people like your shit? Like them people like that. Like let them like that and embrace that.

Because you got to understand like everybody is not supposed to make the same music. That's why you know this shit is, it's no rules and rap. So if that's what they're doing, like I embrace pop smoke. I embrace all those dudes. I think that shit's hard. Like, you know what I mean? Get money. You know what I mean?

Everybody can run that shit up. Right. It's not stopping it for nobody else. I mean, they're not in the way. Don't matter. Yeah, that's true. But sometimes it just feels like somebody sent me a video or some kid rapping the other day. that are like three, four million views

in like a few weeks or whatever. And they're like, what do you think of this? Like you think I should sign this kid? I'm like, I'm going to be honest with you. There's a 16-year-old kid with a machine gun and the projects. That's like why it has four million views. Like if you were to just listen to this,

it's not really anything special going on. It's just popping off because it is ridiculously violent. And at the end of the day, how long are you going to be able to monetize that for? Are you going to be able to monetize that with a clear conscience? What does this guy have left once he catches a case and he can't be having guns in the video and shit? that's true

that's true but I mean that's not the shit on them it's just to say that like from a label perspective do you not feel some sort of level of like that that's all you want to push what guilt you know I would feel guilty if like if I was pushing an artist

I had signed and they're like a fucking 18 year old kid going out and saying a much of stupid shit about popping perks and having guns and all this crazy shit don't you at a certain point be like man like what the fuck am I putting out there into the culture I mean me as a man with kids yeah but you know somebody that doesn't see it like that and sees it for entertainment might beg to differ because

you know we can't act like that doesn't exist in a world right now because it's a lot of it that exists and it's working and it's being empowered by something you know so yeah i mean you a regular person would have guilt but somebody that's in the business that sees the dollar signs and knows how much they could benefit from it they don't give a fuck about these kids I mean, so it's like they see a dollar. And if it works, it works. And if it doesn't, then they drop it and move on to the next thing. That's the music industry.

Yeah. But there's no part of you that's interested in really dealing with some fucking 17-year-old nutcase. Or could you see yourself? Because, I mean, you're coming on and doing a project with somebody like Benny, who, yeah, he's a new rapper, but he's also like a grown-ass man. Yeah, and Benny's the same age. He's the same age. Yeah. And he could rap, for real.

But to go back to your question, me with a 17-year-old knucklehead, I had a 15 year old son. Right. Enough knucklehead for me. It's going to be weird. Like, I don't need nobody else knucklehead, son, that I'm trying to get rich. That's a knucklehead that I got to deal with and be a fucking babysitter. No, I deal with my own kids.

But do you have to deal with, like, being a father in this day and age, it's got to be weird. Like, do you frequently find yourself having to explain shit to him that, hey, this thing that's being depicted as dope in the media or in music or whatever is not as dope as you think it is? Do you have to have that conversation at some point? I do, but I don't because I don't want to be a hypocrite. Right? So that's like obviously, you know, I don't want my kids smoking weed. So I'm going to say don't smoke weed. And he's going to say, well, you smoke weed.

Right. I'm going to be like, well, you're not me. But that's not enough of an explanation. You feel me? So the best thing you could do is you can guide them away from it by saying, hey, don't do this because this ain't for you. And this is not what you're supposed to be doing. However, you're going to be grown one day and you be able to make y'all. own decisions and I can't tell you shit. But right now, this is not what you should be doing.

So, you know, having those conversations about music and shit, I let them express itself. You know what I mean? Not express itself enough to be disrespectful. But it was a point of time where my parents ain't want me listening to Biggie or ain't want me listening to O'Nex or Tupac or that didn't stop me from listening to them. You know what I mean? Because back the fuck up on a T-shirt back in the day, my mom's wasn't here. She wasn't having that. The best thing you can do is to draw the connection between them being 14 and listening to fucking 6-9 and low pump be able to draw the line back and say, yo, yeah, like, I thought with what you're into.

It's cool. But also, take a look at the history of rap and look at how it took so many different things along the way to get to that point. To get to, right. See, just recently I took my kid to his first rap show. Which one? Big Crit. Nice.

You know what I mean? Big Crit and Rhapsody. Nice. This is real music. You feel me? And I don't know if it might correlate years from now with him, with his palette of music with what he listened to. But, you know, I'm trying to guide him in the right direction.

And music with substance. Shit that you could gain, you could get a mineral tool from out of that and just not a whole bunch of yelling and screaming, which I have nothing. Not a hater. I mean, best scenario is to be able to, like, be able to teach it. kid enough about rap that they can appreciate the entirety of it like okay you might be into this shit because this is the shit that's popping off on youtube but i'm gonna show you a rhapsody and i'm gonna explain why it's dope to you i feel like if my parents had like taken the time to really explain the

we've thing in the sense of like this is a thing that adults can do and it's it's cool for them to do it but you're 15 and you need to be focused on school this point listen when you turn 18 i'll go and smoke a joint with you and we can have a conversation about it but it's just not something that you want to jump into too early. I don't know. Did they understand that? They wouldn't understand that. That would be something they're looking forward to.

That was like, you know, for me, it would be like, well, when I'm 16 out, can I get a tattoo? Yeah. You feel me? So it's like, I don't want my kid being like, well, yeah, dad, when I'm 18, can I smoke a blunt with you? Like, no. Go figure that shit on your dog. Because I don't want to take you from zero to 60.

That's stupid. You know what I mean? You can't come smoke with the goat to start your weed career off? I mean, I'm his pop. You need an apple ball. He could, but that's, but he don't need to smoke weed at all. That's my whole point, you feel me? But, you know, that's what I do.

That's what I want a kid to understand is, like, if you're 18, 19, 20, you're just getting started in your life. You need to be more concerned with making some money, being passionate about something, figuring out the kind of shit that you want to do with your life. And fucking with bitches and doing drugs needs to be like a very distant thing in your brain. Those are things that are rewards for everything else you're going to do in your life. Yeah, yeah, I didn't know. You don't agree? What, fucking bitches

doing drugs? I just think if you're 18, if you're 18, you don't need to make that the focal point. You know a lot of people, I know a lot of people who are like 19, 20 or whatever,

and they wake up in the morning, all they're thinking about is how to get some weed. It's not a life to live. It's not, you're not ready for that. It's not good. It's not promising. What about going to college?

You know, having the job, you know, like, trying to build your future, You know, worried about credit. Credit. Shit like that. Man, I got perfect credit now all of a sudden. You got perfect credit?

All of a sudden, I had bad credit my whole life, and all of a sudden all the medical bills I didn't pay and shit back in the day. They're all gone. I never had any credit until recently. Really? Yeah. Finally, and now I have good credit. Better than having bad credit.

Yeah. I mean, shit. No credit is bad credit. No, but, yeah, credit is a good thing, man. Shout out to you for having good credit time. I appreciate that. We should specify that the first time I think we ever met was in Harlem. Yeah, Duke the God's crib.

Duke the God's spot. And me and Duke the God got drunk as hell doing an interview together for like. And I did like a five-hour podcast and I left y'all because I'm like, yo, what the fuck is this thing? This thing got mad tattoos and Duke is drunk. Duke is drunk. These niggins is rambling about a whole bunch of fucking lineage that I heard a thousand times. I was chilling with Hellrell.

Hellrell is just posted. Rugi posted. Shites in the building. Brugie. I'm going on that. Sheists in the building. I'm like, man, give me the fuck out of here. This is a lot.

Yeah, that was a good time. I didn't know that Duke the God was prone to, at least when he had a lot to drink, he stopped busting us with conspiracy theories and shit. So there was a point in the interview where I was just like, nah, this probably shouldn't come out. Duke is a YouTube connoisseur. He goes down those holes. He'll scour those little rabbit holes for fucking rare Malcolm X interviews and fucking conspiracy theories on fucking random shit. That's amazing.

Shout out to Duke the God. I remember that night too that like, I think it was hell rel. He said, he was like, yo, show me some new shit. If you know about all the new shit, show me some new shit. And I put on the fucking 6-9 and Trippy Red song, Poles. And this is like the first song that really popped 6-9 off. And I remember like, Hellrell and Duke looking at it and just being like, all right, whatever. Just sort of like, if you say so, like they just seemed like they were like, yeah, I'm sure it will blow up.

But whatever, man. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it ended up working. Yeah, it worked out for a while. least. And I remember having that conversation with them. I was like, who do you all listen to? You were probably in the room too. And a couple of people mentioned that they listened to fucking CMG, listening to Gotti and Black Youngston and all them a good amount. And I was thinking

about that is like, is there a part of you that's drawn to any like down south type rap in particular? I like Young Dolf. Dauph is great. I think Young Dolf is super dope. I like Yo Gotti too. I like Big Crit. Currency. Currency is fine. I mean, you know, like, it may sound biased, but that's what I listen to. Like, I listen to my friend's shit. They just happen to be my friends, but they make good music, so.

Do you listen anything outside of the rap? Um, I listen to old school R&B. Mm. Fucking shit, like fucking, um, Teddy Pendergrass and fucking, fucking Bob Molly and the Whalers and fucking Otis Redding and, and just random shit. It's so different going between some old school shit because at times I'll be with my girl.

She don't really want to listen to rap as much as I do. We put on some old school shit that we all heard. You know, at least you heard these songs dozens of times. Versus what I'm usually listening to, which is just new rap music, where it's like I'm probably not even going to listen to it enough times to be able to remember any of the lyrics. I'm just sort of taking in.

It's like the difference between reading a book and being on Twitter. because I'm being bombarded with all this new shit versus listening to some album I put on the blueprint the other day it's such a different experience musically to be listening to something that you heard 300 times it is it's a movie yeah I mean it's a lot going on

and that shit it invokes a lot of different moods and the production just everything about the album is dope and it's music that not only did I listen to it hundreds of times throughout my life but it was very much made with the knowledge that that's how it was going to be consumed. Whereas these days, no matter how much you care about your music,

you still know in the back of the head that this is an attempt to get people to listen to this shit, knowing that it's hard to get people that listen to shit, and that they tend to move past the project. They might listen to it once or twice and move past it. It's like to listen to something that was made to last and has done so so effortlessly. That's life after death for me. I can listen to that album every single day and I get tired of it. but you know the new way I feel and making music to to give replay value is not actually putting out albums and doing these EPs right and you know like pairing up with with different artists and different producers making it exciting making it more of a movie you feel me because people could see the same thing over and over and yeah they like it you have the people that gravitate towards it but then you know when you do something with somebody you know you do something with somebody

else it's a different energy and it's just it's just more of a story somebody like you when you draw a project i feel like yeah it's important that you either like doing the thing with benny was brilliant but like if you just sort of lock in with a producer to make the fans feel like oh i'm getting like a moment in time here yeah this is something that's specific produced the whole shit so that's that's a story within itself and you know that's us coming off don't smoke rock something that he fully produced too so it was you know keeping that same sound in that same pocket

so people knew what they were gonna expect when you go and do a song with Stiles Pee though like I do you reach out for that verse I'm assuming it's not really that big a deal for you at this point to go work with him on something but I mean that's that's your childhood too

that's who you grew up on yeah I mean those guys gave me I got an open door policy over there really like I don't have to call any of them I just show up and they just like yo there's a what's out We're sweet.

What we doing? You know, but Stiles is one of my mentors, one of my big brothers. So it wasn't nothing but just a call. Like, I got one for you. I ain't sent it through. Same with Kiss. Same with Luch.

Like, it's all, you know, it's all love. It's never really a big process. Yeah. It's like a crazy thing to get used to, though, huh? It is because that's my favorite rap group all the time. So, you know, for me to be doing fucking interviews sitting next to kiss and kisses like,

yo, this is one of the niggas that if, you know, was war going on and, you know, you needed to gather the troops, I'm grabbing him. And, you know, just getting those plugs from niggas that I look up to and, you know, really took pieces from. That shit is overwhelming. I wonder what it's like to be him.

To have, like, grown-ass, respectable-ass rappers who look at him like that. And for him to be a grown-ass man in his 40s, knowing that he's got that whole like a whole layer of rap history that knows all about his shit that's pure respect for him one of the live in legend living legends one of the godfathers of this shit crazy crazy to think about it is it cold for polo new york at this point or just in general you feel like the designer just took over polo you know i don't want to throw water on that because that's why it came from and i got a lot of family

that's that's into that and i'm a low life so i'm a low life so i'm a low life so i I don't, you know, I would never say, yeah, of course. That's, you know, that's loving loyalty forever. But, you know, right now for me, I'm just trying to do something else. That doesn't stop me from mixing the low up because I wear Greg Lauren. And I still wear certain Ralph Lauren pieces. You might catch me with a double R. Ralph Land or something on that's just, you know, that doesn't say Ralph Lauren on it.

But I wear a lot of pieces like that. But is it cold? Depends who you wax. I think it's a brand that I live forever because you know the lineage And it's just too many classic pieces that you could always go to So it would never be like Completely cold

I don't want to shit on no brands But it would never be completely cold Like another brand that might not be as cool right now in the culture But um No to answer your question I don't think it's cold Well it's crazy though because you could easily imagine like some new rapper Just popping off and just fully just going full polo and all of a sudden polo's right back right back i'd be i'd be at my uncle at my uncle house

that's like my storage for all my rugby shit and i probably have to bring all my shit out because i can't keep my shit in a regular space i need like a big room for my shit and i need to trust that nothing's happening i'm always trying to figure out what happens to all the designer after rappers are done with it i mean a lot we well me i give a lot of shit away like a lot of shows i didn't gave away hundreds of sneakers at shows like once i'm wears like shit that I might not have no use for anymore or I might not have a wig and just throw them shit in the crowd, sign them, make it memorabilia.

What size are you? I'm a 12. What are you? 13. I might got something for you. Oh, word? Damn. To be real, I got 12s at the crib, too.

Oh, word? People sometimes be thinking I can rock a 12. Hmm. I might have to have a conversation. They're wrong, though. I actually wore 14s for a good chunk of my life. Word? Man, I don't know what the fuck I was thinking, though.

I don't need all that tow around. I was random. He must have been sliding in the shoe. I was slide. You was a slyd, bro. At this point in your life, do you have a lot of concern for, like, exercise and diet? Has that locked in fully? Why, because I'm fat?

No, I'm just wondering. Like, you know. Kind of fucking questions you asked. A lot of fat guys got to, like, they're, like, reasonably fat because if they didn't eat healthy and fucking exercise. I'm fat because I want to be fat. So you're feeling it. Okay. Yeah, and I'm fucking with you.

No. Nah. I mean, you know, yeah, when I feel like it, I have my little spurt's where I want to be pescatarian or fucking I want to go box or play basketball or some shit. And I'm like, yeah, I'm working out.

But then, you know, I got my spots where I'm just like, whatever. Bro, the other day I seen Jada and I was like, look at that skinny dude. It looked like Jada. And it was Jada. It was Jada. But I was like, in my head,

I couldn't even process it for the first, like, minute that I was looking at him. Yeah. I mean, you know, they got the juice bar. They take very good care of they selves. You know what I mean? The juice is the key, apparently. It is.

I'm in the juice bar a lot. You are. Apparently. You know, it happens. I just happen to look how I look because I want to be this way. I'm saying it's apparent that it's working because these dudes are all grown as fucking, like, apparently losing weight. Although myself personally, if I drink the juice, I don't feel like that's replacing

a meal at all for me. I just feel like it's me taking in a whole bunch more calories and shit. I'm saying you to the bathroom, man. Good for you. Oh, yeah. I love taking a bright purple shit. Well, it's just when you can pee a lot. Right, yeah.

No, I love to eat asparagus and then have just the connection of knowing that my piss stinks because of something I just ate. That's a lot, Adam. Feels great. It's a lot. Yeah, sometimes I forget who I'm talking to. Yeah. No, you know, I learned a lot about life because one time I was listening to, I think it was a combat jackpot cast, rest of peace of combat. But he's interviewing Memphis Bleak.

And for some reason they just started talking about farts, farting in the studio and shit. Combat and Bleak was having a, uh, it was somebody in the room who started like just talking about farting in the studio shit. Bleak shut that shit down. Bleak was not about to be having motherfuckers talk about fucking. Too cool for that. Too cool that motherfuckers talking about farting.

What do we do we do? Yeah, he was just immediately like, hey, yo, we, no, no, no, no. Like, we don't talk about like, nah. And I was like, that's a real man right there. I'm a little man. Like, all I got is fart jokes. How you assess a real man from somebody. I don't want to talk about fart jokes.

Because to me, I am a child because I am still gleefully laughing at fart jokes. Somebody calls something gay. No, I laugh at that man. Fugged up shit. I'm a fucking child too. I feel like a kid, you know? I ain't got a filter on what I'm laughing at. I'm laughing at all kinds of fucked up shit.

Yeah, I laugh and fucked up shit too. But we're younger. Yeah. It's different. Yeah. We still pretty fucked up, though. But, you know, like, all that Tyler created shit that he'd be joking about and shit. Like the older generation doesn't know what the fuck Tyler's on. I just barely am of the

generation where I still think it's funny that he's making all these fucking offensive jokes and shit. It's funny to me because I know Tyler and I understand him. So I know he's trolling and being sarcastic. So, right? So he did the flex. Yeah, that was funny. So funny. Because it's like, you know, let me see how awkward I could make this person type shit. That's what I'm about. I'm a fan of the office. I like awkward shit. Like somebody who says the thing that is so, painful for everybody in the room to hear that everybody just winces. Yeah, it's the shock value. Yeah, I mean.

That's all that shit is. That means a lot to me. Shock value. I grew up listening to Howard Stern. That's what it was all about. That was the culture that that shit was built on. And then you know what happened with him is that he goes and he moves to Sirius Radio where all of a sudden he doesn't have the FCC telling him you can't talk about quefs and shit. And then all of a sudden

his content fundamentally changed because all of a sudden he didn't have somebody telling him, now you can't do that. Right. And when you take that away like on youtube like you don't see that much shit that's like gross out comedy because there's nobody to tell you you can't do that now that's true i mean it's a lane for that but i don't even think that that's the driving force of the culture right now anyway so that's probably why we don't see it too because it's it's so much serious shit happening that nobody even wants to see that that's not even funny in the real world that is true when you got

don't trump as your president and all this fucking wild shit happening that way that way on you think about every day? No. Because at the end of the day, I knew what was going to happen? Shit, I'm going to run for president next year. If they fucking voted Trump in, you know what I mean? I might as well go for a bag, too. I mean, I'm going to be honestly, I'm not voting for Kanye.

I don't care if he wins. He's contributed a lot to hip-hop. I don't think you really got what it takes to be the president. I'm going to be totally real. I don't think none of them do. But I'm indifferent and I support Yay. So I'm not about to even go there with that neither. It'd be nice to have a rapper in there, but I don't know.

If it's going to be a rap. rap in there is going to be smoked as a George Cush. Yeah, give me a Bunby. I take Bunby. You know? I take Bunby. I like Bunby rule my country. That's fucked up.

Why would he ruin it, though? No, rule. Oh, I thought you said ruin. No, no. I don't think of what we were ruining. I'm trying to think of like, you know, Scarface is running for office. I don't know if he won. Is he running for mayor or Houston or something like that?

I think it's mayor. I think it's some sort of city councilman or some shit. But that's going to be a beautiful thing when we start seeing rappers really like holding office and shit. Killer Mike could do that. I'll take killing Mike as a president That don't bother me Mike is a good guy

Really I'll give it as a Jay Z too but I feel like he's too low-key I feel like you don't want to even be on camera that much Hove is a man I got nothing to say about Hove You got a lot of bait You got going to know what you But you all I'm saying is I would like him as a president I just don't think he seems up for it

He's so low-key He could be so much more public if he wanted to You know Fucking J-Z bro You don't really have to like be outside You're Jay-Z But that's the problem is a lot of people have suggested that Joe Rogan would be a good person

and reprisent. Joe Rogan's like, bro, I don't want to live that life. Joe Rogan. The interviewer dude on YouTube, bald USC fuck. Oh, the UFC dude. Yeah, yeah. I think a lot of people suggested that, but his response is that's going to ruin my life. Like, I'm going to hate my life.

Why would I want to do that to myself? He loves his life. He gets to hang out, do podcasts, host of UFC, do some comedy, smoke weed, work out. That sounds like a nice life right there. Yeah. And especially if you've got all the money in the world from having a, you know, why the fuck you're going to want to go and work 12 hours a day being the president?

Fuck that, man. Yeah. Sounds like a stressful job. It'd be cool, but it ain't going to help your quality of life. I mean, it depends. What if you ran for president? What would you do? Well, here's, here's reason number one that I'm not going to be president.

I'm just like everything I've ever said on this podcast and beyond, yeah. I feel lucky to even just be, I feel lucky to even be able to be able to. Well, I appreciate that, but I feel like it even be able to exist, even the fact that I just sit here and just say crazy shit all the time. Bro. It's a sensitive-ass world. You live a good life, bro. Yeah, it's all right.

So let's do a threesome tonight. On camera. That's what you're doing? I'm supposed to. My girl put it in my calendar. I'm not 100% sure. I feel like the girl wants us to have a more recent test. My most recent test was over a month ago.

I don't think she's into that. She wants a fresh one. It's unfortunate because I'm fucking the same girl. You're a legend, bro. Appreciate that. I'm trying to share that part of my life too often on here. You want to go smoke one? Yeah, I do.

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