No Jumper - The SosMula Interview: City Morgue, Drill, Pouring Up in 40s, Rock Music & More

Episode Date: September 8, 2021

Sosmula talks about what he's been up to, relationship with ZillaKami, been locked in the studio, new merch, how 6ix9ine got everything from City Morgue, Bizzy Banks collab and more! https://www.instagram.com/sosmula/ https://twitter.com/BigSleezzzz Stamps by Eli Mcfly https://www.instagram.com/eli518mcfly/ ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today we're bringing back an old friend of the show. He was on about three years ago, and he's been going crazy ever since. So Sousmula is in the building. It's goody, what's goody? How are you feeling, man? Feel it good. I feel it good, man.

What's changed in your life in the past three years? Give me big, broad strokes here. Definitely, the fan base and shit, like the shows, the everything is bigger. You know what I'm saying? When we first did that interview with you, I was like coming out of SoundCloud I feel like I'm saying like we only had one video out Shindersvitt right so I felt like that was like coming out of SoundCloud and I was like been on mad tours sold out shit there's everything's bigger now you know what I'm saying

it's crazy uh my merch sells like crazy now right I'm saying all that type of shit so that is one thing I've noticed it's been kind of crazy is that like I just see mad people wearing Citymore shirts that I'm pretty sure either don't know who CityMorg is or just I don't know like I don't know how they got it but they're fucking with it it's crazy that oh V-Long Collab was big for us right everyone got that shit literally everybody rappers that don't even know who I am did got that shit so right I mean it's a good brand name to be honest like it's kind of like a rap group name that's such a good name that even if you don't know you or Zilla it's still

like seems like a logical thing to wear yeah it is it's fire yeah and we from New York City City morgue it just it just sounds good you know yeah for sure that's a beautiful thing okay so I guess just for the people who didn't see the first one or whatever give them a little brief reminder who you are and where you're from my name is Sos Mullah I'm from Spanish Harlem Eastside Obarrio Upper East Side Stanley Isaac Projects Yeah, been there my whole life, pretty much everything. I'm saying, everything there. All my dirt there, went to jail there, started everything there.

Everything that I know in the street started there. But most importantly, you like to sell crack there. I like to sell a lot of crack there. A lot, a lot of crack there. I went to all my cases was crack cases, you know what I'm saying? Except for I had a gun charge. That was my first charge ever. I was like 15, 16.

I called that, yeah. But all my shit was trapping, selling drugs, getting cold with drugs, direct sales, serving undercover police, shit like that. I was mostly referring to on the first interview because at a certain point I was just like, so what are you doing, Harlem? And you were like, I like to sell crack. And we all laughed our asses off. I don't know if that ever really became as big a meme as I thought it should have been

after that because that shit was so funny the way that it came out. It went viral in his own little way. Right. Yeah, like, it went viral in this own little way. Like, in my fan base, I went viral, you know? Yeah. They love it. Definitely.

So, in terms of seeing your fan base grow and stuff, like, do you feel like you guys primarily get fans who are more on, like, the, you know, interested in more of the metal side of things or whatever, or do you feel like you also appeal to a lot of more, like, regular hip-hop fans? Definitely. Definitely fans is into the metal shit more and more. But it's crazy though because it's like now it's more like a little bit of everybody now Like you know what I'm saying people are starting to come along like you know what I'm saying?

People that don't understand it because not everyone understand this shit they don't get it you know It's like so many different genres of music and our shit is like screaming we're rapping on guitar beats Not all of it like a lot of my solo shit is different yeah because when I was like really like watching a lot of your recent shit and stuff I was interested in seeing that I'm like you know he doesn't man is to like sort of because you know sometimes you'll see a rapper and they go fully in one direction i've seen rappers become country rappers i've seen rappers become metal type rappers but like you do sort of mix it up and put stuff that i think would appeal to more of like a regular hip-hop audience as well as doing some more alternative shit yeah for sure because i'm i'm saying i grew up on all that shit i grew up on everything like from rock to rap because of my mom's she was playing that

shit in the crib. So like I had mad different phases in my life where I had like different favorite rappers, you know what I'm saying? Like I had this favorite rapper at this age. I had another favorite like you know what I'm saying? So I had like a lot of different. I listen to everything. My mom's just playing everything from fucking Manson to Jay-Z to fucking Bob Molly. Everything in the crib. I heard everything growing up. So I feel like Hispanic people are low-key like the main consumers of like metal in the world because forever you will be in the hood and see a random Mexican kid and a metallic shirt, Slayer's shirt, et cetera. Now that's just kind of cool, but like I always just felt like that,

there's something about that shit that really gravitated towards a lot of Hispanic people. Yeah, no, it's definitely very big of Hispanic culture, especially South America, up from South America. Right. Of Brazil to Argentina, so, yeah, our math fans out there, they be in the comments and the DMs are going crazy. You haven't toured overseas yet. I toured Europe with Zilla and 20. We had like a short Europe tour. He ain't, yeah, like four or five days, some shit like that,

six days, six shows, but I'm about to go to Poland in a couple days. Wow, really? Warsaw do two shows. I did a show there in 2018 before. Your fan base is crazy out there? Yeah, it's crazy. They're going nuts out there.

They like die hard, for real, for real, out there. Right. They're like different. Because when you pull up, they know they might not see you another couple of years, if ever again, so they really make it count. They make that shit count for real. They show by love, they buy all the birch, they support, you know what, no matter what.

So back, when did you start rapping and were you doing more traditional rap stuff for a while, and when did you get turned on to maybe going a little different direction direction-wise? All right, so like, you know, I started rapping like, I would say like 13, like bullshit. I should be like, you know, like any little kid just start rapping, boom, boom, boom, but taking it seriously had to be when I met Zillow. Like, you know what I'm saying? And it's rapping that way, too. Because, like, we just, like, created that. Like, when I came home, I came home in, like, 2016,

and then we was just in a studio locked in every day, just creating that shit for, like, six months before we even put anything out on SoundCloud. Right. So then, yeah, we just got into that. Whatever that was, we created, we created that, and that's what we put out. Right.

I'm saying. I don't like calling it a trap metal. Like, I hear, everyone calls it. trap metal or I just I don't know I don't know what to call it yeah because there's been so many bad combinations of rap and metal over the years that it's like you don't really want to associate yourself with it that strictly because then you feel like they're going to put you in a limp biscuit category or yeah whatever it might be like none of there's anything wrong i fuck with limbiscuit too shout out to him but there's just been so many weird versions of over the years that it's

it's hard to like really put a title on it i feel it's hard it's hard but i don't know they they They'll come around soon in LA. It's a high in there, little by little. Yo, it's crazy to think, though, that when we did that first interview, that it was like the 6-9 thing was just this big, looming, you know, like, you guys were popping off at that time, but that he was so big at that time. Fast forward a couple of years. He snitched.

He went to prison for a little while, came out. Nobody really gives a fuck about his music. It's like that whole chapter just kind of, like, pass by, and you guys are still going strong. Yeah, for sure. I mean, you know, it was really, really. real it is what it is like you is what it is it must be crazy to just have seen that all happen and just have like lived through it the music shit is crazy especially now this internet

shit is crazy I don't know I'm saying anything is possible now like I'm saying I don't put shit past nobody like you're able to see anything on on fucking Instagram right the next day but just for the fans who aren't aware though like you guys kind of in a way really kind of gave him the style that he was running with that first. Got everything from us. Right. Got everything from us. Everything.

He looked like that because of us. He talked like that because of us. Everything he got from us. Right. Yeah. That's what it is. This is weird too because it's like, it used to be like you could just click bait the fuck out of it. Everybody wanted to hear anything about it and it's like that era is kind of gone.

I probably wouldn't like cut this and be like so smooth to speak so six nine. People are gonna be like, man, he's a fuck. That was years ago. Oh, it cares about that shit. That shit is old dudes, you know? We still, we still moving. I just dropped by solo tape, 13 songs to die to. Shit is going crazy, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, definitely. Are you independent at this point? Nah, I'm signed. Republic? Republic. I'm still like Republic. How many years have that been, and how's that going? I've been, like, three years now.

Yeah. Right. And so how do you feel about the job that they've been doing with your career? You're a very different type of artist than what they're probably used to dealing with. Yeah, for sure. Hell yeah. I fuck with a Republican.

I'll fuck with the... You know what I'm saying? They, they patient, and they get it. They understand it, you know what I'm saying? Even though we're not, like, the mainstream, whatever, the acts at the label, but they get it and they understand it and they let us create.

They give us a lot of... What's that shit you call it? Like, creative control. Right. Yeah, they give us... So as long as they're giving that, like, you know what I'm saying? I don't got no complaints, you know what I'm saying?

Right. It's good. Yeah, because, like, what's your kind of vision for you? career like you got you are outside of the the norm of what we expect from a rapper like what do you see as being the thing that you're working towards or where you could imagine your fan base getting to honestly I love this music shit like I'm gonna do this shit forever I'm saying but I really want to get into movies I want to start showing movies like I'm saying

not not like on some like I get a lot of inspiration from like Rob Zombie Quinn Tarantino shit like that you know I'm saying so I want to definitely get in them shoe movies, you know what I'm saying. I'm actually about to start showing some shit. Right. I'm about to start showing some like independent shit. With my boy, ill views. He shoots all my vids.

He's a, he's a maniac. He's a genius. Right. Yeah. Have you been sort of, like, dipping your toes on that a little bit just with the videos? Because I've seen you doing more and more theatric shit where you're dressed up like a fucking evil priest and all this kind of shit. Yeah. Yeah.

That was actually the Kim Dracula kid. Oh, so that was him. That was him. That was him. Yeah, it's all good. It's all good. But yeah, definitely more cinematic shit. You know, like having fun with this shit.

This shit is fun. So it was like, you're not having fun with this shit. Fuck you're doing this shit for. Like, I'm saying? This is, this shit is fun. So that's really what it is. Right. Yeah.

Like, how often have you been dropping? Like, how often do you think that you can really drop a project and have your fans stay tuned in? Well, I don't drop a lot. You know what I'm saying? I don't drop a lot of music. But I have a whole shitload of music. During the pandemic, I recorded like 300 songs in the pandemic

because I couldn't do it. shit. You know, we couldn't do nothing. We was on lockdown. So, but my studio do, they was open on the low for us. So I was just locked in the stool, recording crazy, recorded a bunch of like 300 solo songs, and I was just going crazy, you know what I'm saying? Recorded the album Mozilla 2. We've got that by to come out soon, volume 3. Just going crazy, locked in, you know I'm saying, till they said we was allowed to drop music, so they started giving us dates again. Oh, okay, yeah.

Oh, so you didn't want to drop music before you could tour it as well? Yeah, it was kind of like, we was just trying to figure it out, like what was the next move for us as a unit as a whole as far as like, you know, the team city more again, I'm saying, before we do a solo project and then give them another city more projects. You know, we never put out solo projects, so it was more of that thing, and I'm saying, waiting and see what was the bad. I mean we just basically went with the flow and yeah it's lit so have you guys ever like gone through ups and downs in terms of your ability to work together or are you guys like

really straight together like always like brothers yeah shit is so organic me and zila go in the studio we don't even got to be talking in the studio we like we're here to beat we just is that look he just go play his verse I go whatever I go do my thing he goes whoever go first it's like on that type of shit who else. Sometimes he go first, sometimes I go first. It's just really on the beat. I'm saying, it's really that beat, like, and that vibe. I'm saying? The beat give you the vibe. Right.

Because I don't, I don't, like, write no more. I just, like, punch in now. Yeah, I haven't, like, the whole pandemic I started doing that, I stopped writing. I still write here and there, but very rare. Right. Yeah, I just punch in now, so. Were you just making so much music

that it just became easy for you to just start punching in? And did you feel like, like, is it a different thing for you to be making that much? much music compared to only going in the studio so much because it's like you really only have so much creative juices to work with right well the thing is I don't know like when you punch for me now like when you punch and it's like more like of a vibe type thing like I go to the studio I go for vibes like it's super high you know I'm saying might get drunk who knows whatever what I'm saying I'm saying I'm saying it's like try to create a vibe and I'm saying the stew and

hit them beats it's really the beat the beat the beat give you the vibe and sometimes I go to the through, I might record 10 whack songs and two of them is hot, but all right, that's cool. Like, whatever, we just keep going. But do you think they're whack and then you just finish them anyway? Yeah, yeah. I record a lot of, I always finish the song and, uh, sometimes I stop mid through, though. Like, this shit is whack. Fuck this shit.

On to the next. Play the next beat. Um, but a lot of times I do that. But yeah, I got mad songs that there's never going to come out. Probably on them 300 songs, I only like 50 of them. You know what I'm saying? It's like, it's that ratio. It's like, all right, 50 of these.

like really bangers like and then it's like another 50 of them is like personal songs like like i like i like i like i don't think no one else is gonna like it you know what i'm trying to say or like i don't know right i over think shit sometimes too but try to just go with the flow i'm saying for most of my shit you know you just made me wonder like what's the vibe at your live shows like is it really fucking crazy in the crowd mosh bits and all that shit that's crazy people be breaking their legs bloody noses you've seen all that yeah like it was crazy like People getting their teeth knocked out in the pit. Like, they're going crazy.

It's like accidental injuries? Yeah, accidental. It's not like real blown-out fights in there as well? Nah. I mean, it happens. You know what I'm saying? It happens. But for the most part, it's all love.

They end up pet. And after that, you know, they're hugging. You know what I'm saying? So it's all love. It's not no, yeah, it's never no, like, fights in the pit and shit. How high energy, though, do you keep your performance, though, in that kind of environment?

because that's one thing I've always said is that rap live is usually like not that great whereas in comparison like metal and hardcore all the shit I actually grew up going to some of the best live experiences because the crowd gets so into it the fucking band or whatever like all every all these people playing instruments at the same time in unison it just kind of like creates a wild ass demeanor yeah yeah nah it's crazy like I mean I'm used to it now you know I'm saying like we just started doing shows again I was a little rusty like the first we did rolling loud right we did uh We just did the lyrical lemonade shit, Chicago.

I did the Utah festival. Shit, I'm about to go to Poland right now. But yeah, I'm back used to it already. Like, I'm just used to it. And it's short sets. It's 20 minutes sets. You only do a 20 minutes set? Yeah, like for like these festivals,

but on tour is like an hour. I could do an hour set. Definitely going, I mean, definitely got to work out, you know what I'm saying? Right. Keep in shape for that, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, because it's all about like what stand you want to hold yourself to, too,

because you could just kind of walk back and forth and it's all good, But then also sometimes you see people and they're really running back and forth running that stage and that shit is like kind of priceless. Yeah. And you also, you want to get the fans that, you know what I'm saying, you want to turn out with them. You want to, you want to give them that, that, that, that, that, uh, that, uh, connection. So it's a, you know, it's a, I don't know, I'm used to it. So I just turn up the whole shit.

I get tired, you know, we have little breaks and shit, but the most part, you just turn up. Sometimes we're ready to pass out, but it's just, it's just, it's just, just, you just, you just, you just, you know, you just. just keep going. What's the longest tour you ever been on? Longest tour, probably been on was a grade A tour. Yeah, everybody was on that tour. Juice and shit like that? Suicide boys. Everybody was on that tour. Showline was on that tour. A lot of people shake, germ. Okay, now I know what you're talking about, yeah, yeah.

Poo-Yal, Denzel Curry was on that tour. A lot of people was on that tour. How was that? The chemistry, though. It was fire. There's a lot of different types of people right there. Yeah, it was a lot of rappers on that tour. It was fired, though. Everybody got along. Yeah, it was lit. That's what said. Love.

I would hate to see anybody give you all a hard time on that one. It would be a complicated beat down. Yeah, nah. I was telling it's all love. You've been staying out of trouble? Hell yeah. I don't get in no trouble no more. I can't afford it.

Really? Yeah. I really got three felonies. Really? Yeah. All from like before the most recent interview? Yeah, before. Before, like I don't know.

I really live what I rap about. Right. So you got to actually like stay out of trouble? Like, what's that look like to you? Yeah, I got to stay out of trouble. I mean, I can't catch no violent. Oh, no, drug charges again, you know what I'm saying? It would slay me.

So you can't be out just like hanging on the blog, just like doing whatever, like a lot of your friends are? I mean, yeah, like I got the homies that still in the field. They're still in the streets and shit. And yeah, I still come around. I'm still be in the hood. Like, you know what I'm saying? But it's like, you know what I'm like? More of an in and out thing now.

It's not like I'm on this block all day. Like, oh, social's on the corner right now. Like I'm always going to be on that corner. It's not hell no. It's more of an in and out swing through type of thing. You live right in the city? Are you up there? Yeah, I still live in New York right now, but I'll be back and forth here a lot.

I just come out here a lot to kick it, record out here a lot, I'm saying? Who you tap in with in LA for the most part? Really nobody. I be in my own world, you know what I'm saying? I come out here, go to the studio, shoot vids out here, shit like that. I'll be with the gang, gang be out here with me. We really just be in our own world. Yeah.

That's what's up. Yeah, do you feel like, I mean, do the, the, the, the, the, Does the pandemic affect anything else for you besides just recording all the time? Because I feel like for a lot of New Yorkers, people are just like used to be in social all the time. And that's a big part of it. They got fucked up. Oh, yeah. I mean, the pandemic fucked up the show money.

It wasn't making no money. But is that a big source of income for you? Oh, yeah. Now it is. Oh, yeah. Because we sell out shows now. We sell out these little venues, thousand cap venues. I'm saying?

That shit is a bag. So, and it's meet and greets. You know what I'm saying? all that type of shit. So I mean, hell, yeah, that shit was a big, not, on the pandemic. The only way I was making money was merch. You know what I'm saying? It was merch.

That's how I survived. And features, shit like that, dudes him for a feature. Shit like that, I might do it. I might not, depending, you know, how broke I am, you know? But other than that, yeah. You don't mind doing that? You ever have somebody that asked for a feature and they were whack as fucking? You just did it anyway?

Bro, I did a lot of features that I wish that this on the end. internet right now that I wish I never did you know I'm saying especially like the first year when shit started going up you know like dudes game you might do a feature I remember I did a feature for $300 you know what I'm saying give a dude the verse this is three years ago I'm saying right so I wasn't selling crack at that time I was just I feel like that's got to be weird too because if you're in a rap group and then one of the people is kind of like selling themselves short you ever feel like the other person in the group might sort of feel the way about that I've been there. I've seen that where I'm looking at it thinking like if I was this dude,

I'd be mad at this dude for doing that feature. Nah, no, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we family, you know what I'm saying? We, we understand each other. So, yeah, nah. But yeah, I don't, I'm trying to do now. I'm charging 20 for a feature. Like, I be, like, I'd be in 24 feature now. Like, not a lot.

It's not consistent. I don't know, but not everybody got 20 bands because I just don't want to do them unless I really fuck with you unless it's on some, you know, like, I'm not. I'm not in the pain for features either. I'm not paying nobody for a feature. Right. I don't go fuck who you are, I'm saying? So yeah.

I got to ask you this, because I always looked at you as somebody who's kind of pushing the limit of what people were willing to wear in rap music. So that's the question is what's hot right now? What are you fucking with and what are you absolutely not fucking with that you might have been fucking with at a certain point? A lot of this shit I'd be wearing is custom. I mean, these are- The pants still got mad patches on them?

Yeah, yeah. We still doing that. doing that I mean these is ricks you know everybody wearing ricks now but uh these is ricks these these pants right here are some some dirtin pants we working on okay yeah some leather shits we working on it's crumb heart you know but um yeah i mean we still like i don't know like i i wear i just wear a shit that i like i don't really like go with the times and shit or whatever you call it like i don't know we just like i don't like the jeans that we do wear the patches that's ms t we wear them shes every day you know

I'm gonna' see. I don't got them on today, but I wear them, I might have them shit on tomorrow. I'm saying. I've been wearing them shit every day for the last five years of my life, you know what I'm saying? I got flate, I got multiple pairs now, but it was a point when we only had one pair, you know what I'm saying? So we try to just keep that aesthetic too going forever, you know what I'm saying? Because that's what God is lit too, you know? That's what, niggas fuck with us, you know?

Just stylewise, you guys were doing something different for sure, yeah. Yeah, I feel like nobody got more swag than us like when it comes to this shit. And we don't even got jury. These dudes be having all this jury. You're not a fan of that? No, I'm a big fan of the jury. I'm definitely, I definitely want to get jury. I'm just, you know, I'm just waiting.

Really? I'm definitely gonna get some jury. I'm a big fan of a hell. I be looking at that shit all day. All fucking day, I'll be looking at a jury. That's interesting, because there's a lot of people, that's the first thing that they do as soon as they get a check. It's like, oh, I gotta get a whole bunch of chains and shit.

Yeah. I mean, the each is on, you know, if you could do it, you could do it. I just feel like, don't do something. You know how people say don't buy something if you can't buy it twice. I feel like, don't buy something. don't buy something if you can't buy it three times because you know like you need you need to hide that bread for real you don't want to spend a hundred k on jury and then have 20 racks left 10 racks left you can't really survive like that i've seen it happen many times oh yeah for sure i've seen

people get their check their 20 grand advance and then they just go to the mall and it's like it's all gone that shit ain't no brand yeah that's a short brand i mean if you want to live like that 20 grand ain't much yeah nah that shit is why if you want to be a normal person in middle america 20 grand get you ahead in life for sure yeah some people only get paid 20 grand a year yeah salary those people also don't buy 20,000 dollar chains yeah yeah yeah that's true that's really how you want to live what type of lifestyle that's you know 100% true so do you listen to much metal or or hardcore or anything like that or you mostly to rap uh i listen mostly to rap but when i do listen to um i listen to nirvana i listen to deaf tones i listen to manson i listen to weezer i listen to

Green Day. Parker Weezer. Yeah, I listen to, I listen to, what else I listen to a lot. I listen to red hot chili peppers. I listen to corn, slip knot, you know, I listen. But I mostly listen to rap, mostly, but my playlist is everything, you know what I'm saying? Right.

Speaking Nirvana, do you see that the baby from the Nevermind album cover is suing Nirvana? No, I didn't see that. That's saying that they basically roped him into doing child pornography with that album cover. That's crazy, man. That's fucking crazy. That's crazy. So he's grown now. He's like 30-something years old.

I mean, I don't think there's a lawsuit. It has a lot of legs. It doesn't seem like it's really going to do anything. But also, I think, I don't think anybody's putting out an album with a baby penis on it these days. Yeah, no, that was a bold move. Yeah, back then you could get away with a lot of shit. You know what I'm saying? You can't even say certain shit now.

You get whatever. I'm worried about even saying baby penis. Yeah, yeah, you can't. They might cancel us. I mean, it's just like If you were putting out an album I guess they just didn't think about it But for me, if I was putting out album

It's like, why would I want to look at a baby's penis More than I have to? I mean, it's definitely something Shock value shit, you know what I'm saying? He's chasing the dollar And so that's the argument is that Because he's swimming after the dollar That it's supposed to like insinuate

Child pornography Yeah, yeah Which I think is a stretch Yeah, it sounds like it's, you know I don't know Internet Internet. Internet.

Internet. That's a fact. Oh, yeah. What, yo, so how you feel about all this crazy-ass gang shit going on in New York? Like, especially since we last talk, shit fucking heated up in Brooklyn. So much more, the drill wave took over. When I did that interview with you, it was even like before Pop Smoke. Obviously, that kind of puts in perspective of how short and intense his career was.

I fuck with it. I love the drill shit. I got a drill song on my tape with a drill artist, Busy Banks. Oh yeah, he's born up. Yeah, hell, he's on my tape. I fuck with the drill shit heavy. I love it. And I be in Brooklyn heavy.

I'm saying? I fuck with it heavy. Right. Does it seem more intense or like more dangerous than a few years ago? Brooklyn, New York always been dangerous,

especially Brooklyn, Harlem, Bronx, you know what I'm saying? Queens, the shit's just dangerous, you know what I'm saying? You could be an LES and two, three blocks down

down as a project. It's dangerous. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's dangerous everywhere you go, you know what I'm saying? And even, it's peaceful too.

in the hood too, you know what I'm saying? It's peaceful too, but it's, I mean, it definitely, it definitely turned up, you know, there was a lot of, I heard New York had like the most shoe and some crazy shit this summer. We was like on the top, one of them top things for this summer, a lot of shoeings, but um. Got like way worse than it's better than recent. Yeah, it definitely got way worse. I mean, but yeah, I'll just be out the way, so. Yeah, that's probably for the best. Yeah, I'll be out the way. I'll be worried about you, though, some of the stuff I see on your Instagram. I'm like, bro, how, how do you, You got two big ass extendo clips in the whip with the red beams. And I'm like, I don't know.

Like, I feel like the cops in New York are not very tolerant of that. Yeah, I mean. Are you just real tricky with it? Like, you just managed to get the photo. You posted two months later. There's no trace of it. You show up in my house. I don't know what that was, officer.

You know, I might take that photo in a different state, too, you know? Right. That photo was taking in Atlanta or something. So, or whatever, you know, shit like that. So I don't think about it. I don't, I got my crib got rated before. Like, you know what I'm saying? when I first started posting that type of shit three years ago.

I think we talked about it in the first year. My crib got raided. But ever since then, they ain't been fucking with me. But, you know, every now and then I'll be at the airport. It'd be like DA, run down on me to search my bag. So it was Mullah. What you got? I'm saying?

Like, shit like that. They'll say some slick shit. Like, they send those little narco officers, them undercovers to search your carry-on back right before you board a flight. Like, I'm supposed to, I don't know what they'd be thinking I got in there. I don't know. Right, right. money.

One time I have to do you. of like 10 racks they was like why you got all this moment it's 10 bands bro like right shit ain't no money but but they just be you know they suck dick that's what they do that's crazy you never had the rocket launcher nah that wasn't me with the rocket launcher yeah that was illa okay he had it right yeah i had the grenade launcher that okay yes yeah that was that was that was that was that was that was that was i think yeah it was around all that time we was posting that shit that they uh they kicked the door in and shit grenade launcher on the hood could be a big problem yeah we wasn't in the hood though yeah we were

somewhere else that's what's so sure i just remember back in the day i had a kid in one of my blogs in new york and he he was talking about the rocket launcher and he said the cops showed up his house the next day after i put the blog out damn yeah that's crazy yeah i mean new york don't play with guns i'm saying they don't play at all they they're on some bullshit yeah they on some bullshit for real 100 but way more disturbing than the than the blicks that i seen in your Instagram was you pouring lean into a sane odds bottle. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. A 40.

Explain this to me. To be honest, Thug did it first. Young Thug did it. He put it in the, but he didn't mix it with the fucking alcohol, right? He just poured it up in the container? Yeah, he poured it in the bottle. If you look on that picture in the swipe, I put the same picture of Thug up in the swipe. Yeah, yeah, it was more just, I don't know, I was acting up that day.

Right. Yeah, I was feeling good. Is the lean basically useless once has been mixed with fucking 40? Not useless, but you're gonna get fucked up. You know what I'm saying? You're gonna get fucked. It's like drinking. It's like drinking lean and, you know, drinking alcohol.

It's like an upper and the downer, you know what I'm saying? It's like, it's a crazy high, though. It's like when you want to lean and you pop a bean, it's a crazy high because it's like, you don't know if you want to go up or down. You're in the middle. Right. But whatever, I don't recommend it, but. Yeah, that's some scary shit right there.

Yeah, but. I remember low pump on time poured a bunch of lean all over some cereal, and he was like pretending to, eat it for like a Instagram clip or some shit and then like afterwards I just grabbed another spoon and I'm like yo I'm gonna fucking eat like I'm just like eating the fucking cereals to just get to the lean and it really kind of ruin the experience when you don't get to like taste it it taste good you gotta just do it traditional you guys just pour it up with the with the soda I felt like a bum yeah with the juice however you pour it up you know what I'm saying right you're doing all the other

extra shit it don't really go what's your average turn up these days are you scaled it up or You scaled it back over the years? You got a little more professional? It depends. Like, I definitely don't go crazy as I used to go, you know what I'm saying? I'm trying to be a little more healthier now. But I'll be on my savage shit. I turn out.

When it's time to turn out, we turn it up. We're on it. We drinking. We're doing everything. You feel I mean? We're wilding. But I'll be chilling, you know what I'm saying? Maybe every show we turn up.

I was just turned up in Chicago. We was off the shits. I'm saying. But I'm chilling right now. You ever go too hard and you couldn't perform? Nah, it's happened before, it's happened before, but I catch myself now, like, right? I know how to catch myself now. I know when I'm not going to stop.

Right. I remember one time we were on tour with Smoke Purt, and he was so fucked up that it was, it was like we were holding up a fucking, like, weekend at Bernies or some shit because he could barely stand on stage. We were like walking him through the performance. That was rough. Yeah, I never get to that level. Never get to that level.

Yeah, that shit was ugly. Okay, in terms of rap, what have you been listening to these days? I've listened to a lot. of fucking young nudie. Oh yeah, he's hard. Yeah, he's hard. I listen to a lot. I mean, I listen to a lot of future.

Doug, I'm saying. It was like my favorite rappers. I listen to a lot of future. But listen to a lot of shit, though. I'm listening to ESTG. I've been listening to... Oh, yeah. I've been listening to a lot of UK drill.

Oh, yeah? You get into that? Yeah, I'm a big fan of that shit. I love that shit. That's what's sad. Yeah, any artist in particular? Could you imagine yourself working with any of those guys?

For sure, for sure. Hell, yeah, hell, yeah. They fire over there. I fuck with the heavy. They're super fire. I fuck with, I fuck with Dick Dye shit. I fuck with Frato shit. I fuck with Central C shit.

Yeah. They fire. Fuck with it. That's what so. Oh, yeah. Okay, so anything new that you got playing? Like, are you just, like, I wanted to ask, too, in terms of the merch, do you just do random drops or do you keep the fucking online stores stocked all the time?

No, it's a random drop. It's a random drop. It's like, whenever, like, I've been working with it. with that brand five to 2000s we had sent you some merch yeah yeah i just do like they creative control that's the owner right there with my boy zion i didn't realize that that's crazy shit the shirt that we sent you and shit yeah so i do like all the creative shit with them shit yeah that's and then i've been dropping my solo merch too my soul's mullah merch this is like my second drop i had but yeah i just i did one like when i dropped those like couple singles a couple months ago

i did a merge drop and then i just dropped the merch drop with the tape so but it was up for two days 48 hour drop then it's over i'm saying can't get you can't get it that shit is on ground selling for the high you ever see anybody wearing your shit where you're like damn I wish they weren't wearing my shit nah nah hell no I don't because even if even if it's someone I don't like that's fire where my shit you you you make it it's more promo because I was having that conversation with my friends the other day I'm like you ever think about it like if you own Supreme it's probably been a thousand times that somebody was a rocking Supreme that they did not want

rocking it and they could never say anything yeah because if they if they diswereing person, then it would like open the door where people would feel like they were at risk of getting clowned if they were rocking it or some shit. So you kind of, if you're going to make clothes, you have to basically accept that you're just not going to pass judgment on who rocks the shit. Yeah, nah, you pose, you can't be on no bullshit like that. You gotta just, that's part of the brand. You got everyone's going, whoever wear that shit, that's better.

It's more promo, what I'm saying? That's how I look at it, more promo. Yeah, that's a fact. You got to accept the good part. accept the good part of it. Accept it. For sure. Okay, anything else you got going on?

Anything we need to know about? Um, I'm dropping a bunch of vids. I'm about to go on tour. Bottom of the Barrow Tour, Volume 3, that's the name of the tour, me and Zilla, headline tour. It starts September 29th, October 29th. It's an American tour, USA Tour.

You guys perform together the whole time? You don't like, separate it a little bit? Nah, we don't. Even if we perform, we perform solo songs on stage. We're right there. We're together. The whole show is together. Yeah.

That's what's up. Yeah, it's turned up. But yeah, that's about it. Thirteen songs, the Dots are out now. I'm dropping a bunch of vids to that shit. Back to back, I'm about to drop some shit. It's going crazy. You know what I'm saying?

That's it. Sure, man. It's dope to just see you still going crazy and everything. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Appreciate you, bro. Appreciate, man. Yeah, for sure.

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