No Jumper - The Steve-O Interview: Whip It’s, Lil Xan, Amy Schumer’s Bad Joke & More

Episode Date: August 17, 2022

Steve-O made his way to the No Jumper to talk to Adam about his recovery journey, Jackass, being a legend, doing comedy, going on tour, still having a list of stunts he wants to do and much more! ----- 00:00 Intro 0:47 Adam had reached out to Steve about the whippits in the rap community 3:56 Steve-O started dabbling in 1993, it got gnarly when he started making money 4:31 Doing a competition with Party Boy of who can stay homeless the longest 8:55 On his way to rock bottom, Steve actually loved the hallucination phases 13:11 Being messed up was such a waste of time and mistakes made got clean and sober in 2008 15:39 The difference between the symptoms and actual disease of addiction 21:14 Adam pretended to be Steve-O to get a girl 28:55 Becoming famous overnight, fucking the baddest chicks the next day, and falling in love with the power of fame 31:42 Putting drops of acid in his eyes + Pushing himself to the limits because he was jealous and impressed by how fearless Bam was 34:22 Always thinking about some crazy stunts he could do to this day 34:41 Going to comedy clubs a lot since 2010 and developed stand-up routines, quickly started touring 40:28 Steve on building his podcast studio on his tour bus 46:59 Joe Rogan has surpassed Howards Stern 50:46 Lil Xan on Steve's podcast + S/O SonnyV2. Xan was bragging about this up-and-coming tour on Steve's pod and literally the next day the pod came out, the tour got canceled 53:56 Ryan Dunn aka Random Hero in Jackass, looks up to him for showing love to the BMX culture 59:30 Started his youtube channel after getting fired from a tv show 1:01:29 Creating his own ecosystem is way more valuable 1:04:56 Amy Schummer made a bad joke about Ryan Dunn during a roast 1:08:39 Metallica getting canceled for old footage resurfacing ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! nojumper.com SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. And today I got a legendary interview going on with the man himself, Stivo, in the building. Steve, how are you doing, man? I'm very well. Thank you. Very, very happy to have you in here, man. I've been a fan since I was a wee testosterone-laid lad.

Well, I appreciate that. And this worked out so great. I was talking to my business partner. Like, man, we need a podcast guest this week. And he says, Adam 22. I'm like, of course, dude, that would be awesome. And so then I looked up your Instagram. I'm like, no way.

And he follows me. So I followed you right back and DMD you, and then here we are. Doing a double. A double. Did you see the thing that I had DM'd you before? No, I don't think I did. All right. So let me lay the scene for you.

A couple, yeah, I guess like two years ago, we started to see the NOS popular. up in the rap scene a lot more. Right, okay. So all of a sudden, a bunch of different rappers, like Gunna, and I mean, it's been around, obviously, like people who know people are really into drugs. It's been a pretty common part of the drug user lifestyle

for a long time, but all of a sudden you started to see rappers just walking around, posing with the canister, doing little dances with the canister on top of their head and shit like that. And so I made a whole YouTube video about this trend unfolding, and then, and you were like one of the main reference points where I was like basically a lot of us didn't really know much about this shit besides that Stebo had a whole fling with it. Sure.

And dude, I was completely unaware of that. And had I seen it, I'm sure I would have responded. If anyone isn't aware of what you're talking about, NOS being nitrous oxide. Right. Which is used by dentists to kind of sedate people during dental procedures.

Right. That's the method. medical grade nitrous oxide. But then they have, like, crappy car nitrous oxide. Right. To, like, soup up supercars. And then they use it

in Starbucks to make whipped cream. That's why it's called Whippets. And this is why so many people are able to continue to get their hands on it. Right. It's not like they can just outlaw it because it's used in all kinds of valid forms, right? Right. You don't want to inhale the auto stuff. The auto

Automobobile stuff is filled with all kinds of gnarly stuff. Really? The Starbucks kind that they make the whipped cream with, I don't think that's medical grade, but it's better. And that's where you can get it in every smoke shop. Right. Yeah, because when I was a kid, we would do the whip. It's up the whipped cream can or whatever.

Yeah, I used to buy cases of boxes of those whip it cartridges. And it was 24 cartridges per box and like, I think, 25 boxes per case. So it was like 600. I've seen rappers blow through a whole box like recording a verse. Oh, yeah. Like a two-minute verse that takes them 20 minutes to record, and by the end of it, the whole box is gone. And that's when I realized, like, oh, yeah, this is a real problem. Right.

But for, dude, for sure. I would do my best to not even inhale air. You know, I would have like two of the cartridges things. So I'd fill them both up. I'd be inhaling one while I was filling the other, going back and forth, and breathe in nothing but nitrous oxide. Right. And my goal would always be to do it until I lost consciousness,

which is called fishing. Right. You actually, like, I guess you just starve your brain. of enough oxygen that you just fall unconscious. How long were you in love with this beautiful woman? Ah, man, I mean, the, the, I was introduced to it, like, as far back as 1993. But it's casual for a while, and then at some point it just becomes this habitual thing. I would go in and out of, uh, kind of, like, uh, what do you call it, the phases?

Right. With it, when it got really, really gnarly, would have been, well, I mean, I guess it got pretty gnarly right when I moved out to California when I first had some money. Right. I would, it's so crazy when I moved out here and could have gotten an apartment, but I didn't. And it became this competition between me and Chris Pontius, aka Party Boy, from Jackass. You were feeding off each other? Well, we had a competition to see who could stay homeless the longest. Ah.

It was just for a laugh. You're mostly staying with girls or sleeping on friends, couches, and shit. That was the idea. The goal was to just find a different girl to stay with every single night. Right. And never get an apartment. Now they call it being hobo-sexual. I like that.

It's like a real term. That's a great term. I think. I folded the quickest. I had a real drug habit, and it didn't make sense to be, like, always looking for a place to stay. When you're a drug user, you need a drug den. Yeah, I needed a drug den.

But, so Pontius won that competition by a lot, and he went on to record MTV Cribs out of his car. Wow. He was like, dude, it was the funniest crib segment ever. He says, I hang this. this cross by my mirror, not because I'm religious, but because it's a deterrent to criminals. That makes sense.

Okay, so say you were friends with, like, pretty much the most prominent rapper who was messing with the gnaz and presumably he hasn't been doing it for a while because he's been locked up for a few months as Guna. Let's say gunna was just your homie. Like, live next door to you. You talk to him here and there

and you knew that he was fucking with it. And you've seen the other side of things and you've seen how bad it could get. What would you say to like your actual friend if you saw them fucking around with that shit? Um, I mean, I don't know. Like, I, um, I'm a sober guy. So like I, I, um, kind of live in this, this 12-step community. And it's, it's not our place to push sobriety on people.

you know like the whole poke someone in the chest and tell them to get the if you try to push sobriety onto someone really what you end up doing is pushing them away from it so i i think um the the message from me and i think uh in general from sober people is hey man um do you do what you got to do and i hope it gets real bad you know because generally it has to get so bad for anyone to actually, you know, do the recovery thing. But, I mean, just, just like the practical advice side of things. Like, I definitely still, I'll let my friends know. If I see them fucking with pills too much or snoring coke or whatever, like, you know.

Right. That's a fair point. I mean, it's not like you say, hey, I love that you're doing drugs. I hope you do more. You know, that's not the message. It's just kind of a question of how you approach them or how to give somebody practical advice. because a lot of the young, you know, early 20-year-old dudes who I've seen fuck with the Nas, I'm thinking, like, realistically, they're too young.

They probably don't even know about Civo's story. They don't know about, like, all the people who've probably had to deal with health issues as a result of this. Yeah, I mean, it definitely will fuck you up, man. Like, it, like, what does it do? It reduces your vitamin B-12 to a point where, like, it's dangerous for your, brain or something like I'm not I um got but then again I mean I would be doing cocaine for three days in a row without sleeping and the whole time trying to breathe no air right so my my deal got

pretty wild where you know getting getting into that second and third day like I I had people walking through walls I had you know I my apartment was was filled with people who were never actually there. Right. You know, I was, like, hallucinating some wild stuff. So what was Rock Bottom like for that? Was that part of everything where you kind of had to, like, quit all this shit sort of at once? Yeah, I mean, I don't even...

All the hallucinating was, like, my favorite, dude. I loved it, man. Like, I absolutely loved it. I would hear voices. I would just see all this cool stuff happen. Like, I just remember just all these experiences so fondly. I remember being in this chair, and all of a sudden the chair just bursts into flames,

but I'm not getting burned, and I'm just like, whoa, this is so cool. Like, the curtains would, like, close and open and close and open. Like, all these lights that were never there would be, like, flashing on and off. like I had the coolest, raddest hallucinations ever, and all of it just made me want to just keep just piling more drugs into my body to keep that happening. Well, I like that you are honest about that, about just loving that experience.

And that kind of contextualizes for people and lets people know why it's hard to get clean when you actually really do love that feeling. I mean, dude, 100%. It was like a spiritual experience. You know, there are times when, you know, like I felt strongly that I was like communicating with God, you know? Like there was this like that like the like the barriers between our 3D experience like were eroded and all of this like, you know, other dimensional spiritual entity stuff was just like creeping in and I was hearing voices explaining it all to me. And I was just like, I was privy to some other world shit. And I loved that.

Yeah. Like my thing for the period of time that I was bad with drugs and alcohol was just drinking, doing Coke, and then taking Zanz all in like the same night. And then just letting that run like all through the fucking weekend. And it never really got that bad because honestly as soon as like after a couple of years, once I just really saw it impacting my productivity as like a podcaster and shit, it was kind of. kind of easy for me to just be like, all right, I'm done. This isn't worth it, you know? So I was kind of lucky in that way, and a lot of times people expect me to have, like, a more dramatic story about how I got clean.

And it's kind of like, nah, at a certain point, it was like I was getting hung over for two days straight, and I just wasn't fucking with it. Yeah, and in our community, we would say that they didn't. That's like a problem drinker as opposed to an alcoholic. Right. You know, like the problem drinker can recognize that there's a problem and, you know, stop altogether or moderate just because they have a good reason to. Right. Whereas the alcoholic just has no control.

Right. You know, no control, no power to choose. Like, you know, that's the real disease of addiction and alcoholism where you just, you're powerless to choose to choose not to do. it. You know, like you don't even want to do it and you can't not do it. Yeah. But now I'm at the point where I feel like I treat myself so well. Like I actually act as if I love myself on such a consistent basis, you know? That's a high bar, man. I think most people don't do that. But you don't feel like that? Because I feel like that's the difference between your life now and your life when you were a fucking drug zombie is that you were, when

you're doing all these drugs, you're telling yourself you hate yourself and that you want to die because you know that's the outcome of this in the long run. I mean, I've made incredible progress. Right. There's no doubt. But, I mean, all that negative self-talk, all that, you know, that's real stuff for everybody, I think. Definitely. But, like, you know, when you wake up and you eat a fucking salad and you go to the gym and you, you know, like, you go and record your podcast.

Like, you just enriched yourself the whole day. That's really, like, the best thing that you probably could have been doing with yourself that day and you chose it. I mean, dude, I'm with you 100% on that. And, you know, I look back to when I was all loaded. Just the amount of time that I squandered, you know, like so much wasted time, so much wreckage, mistakes, like just, it was a lot, you know? And then I got clean and sober in 2008. and it turns into acting out sexually.

And there's another real time suck, man. Like chasing pussy around, dude, that's a lot of work. And then all the stress that comes with that. But do you think of that as an addiction, almost exactly like the drug thing, where it basically was fulfilling a similar role in your brain? Yeah, I mean, dude, like, it's been addiction, whack-a-mole for me. You know, like, and I had to. to really address the sex stuff.

And then, you know, and then I got really out of control with sugar. And that's been another sugar and food, you know, like, but so every new level of recovery, of sobriety, like, it just, it's like it's sharpening my axe, you know? And I've gotten to a point where I don't waste any time. You know, all of my time is just straight.

laser focused on what I want to accomplish. And it's made me a monster, like an absolute fucking monster of productivity. Right. And I love it. So yeah, like I've got, I feel largely really good about who I am. You know, like I don't put my dick anywhere. It doesn't belong.

I'm in a committed relationship. I feel really good about that. Right. I, you know, I'm reasonably healthy. like I do the right thing and I do the right thing when nobody's watching. You know, I'm generous to people.

Like, all this stuff, man. Like, I get to be who I really want to be. And so, so yeah, absolutely can say that I've made a lot of progress in loving myself. But there's just always going to be that, like, fuck, why are you? You know, like...

Because as an addict, you learn that this is always going to be a part of you, so you don't ever want to, like, declare victory over it, right? Oh, you can't. Yeah. You can't declare victory, but here's the thing. Like, if anything, the disease gets worse and worse, because it's not like all of the drugs and alcohol, whatever the behavior is, is just a symptom of the disease.

And what the actual disease is, is just this underlying discomfort in your own skin, like this irritability, discontent, just like constant. just discomfort and that doesn't go away right so it's a motherfucker dude it's a motherfucker and you got a like kind of deal with it on a daily basis which sucks but what's rad is that there's any other disease like it literally any other disease when when you suffer from it the best you can hope for is to be restored to as healthy as you were before you suffered from it right whereas with drug addiction and alcoholism, when you treat the disease on a daily basis,

you become a better version of yourself than you were before you suffered from it. Really? Which is pretty killer. I mean, there's zero question that I'm operating at a higher level, that I am, there's no question that I'm an improved version of myself than before I had. But so you think beating the addiction made you? that much better of a person that you could clearly like see that as an attribute yeah i mean like i think uh absolutely in in the whole like scene of of uh recovery you know everything that we do

there's so much emphasis on uh spirituality you know they they describe the the disease of uh alcoholism drug addiction as a spiritual malady you know and like the the way to like all the whole 12 steps things is about as about like addressing all the records you've created writing all the wrongs you know like that that's spirituality right there so by uh turning by turning all of your attention you know by making it such a priority to clear away the wreckage of your past to write the wrongs to to conduct yourself in a way that you feel good about by by doing the right thing. I mean, that, that, like, makes life a lot, you know, a lot easier. 100%. And then add on top of that, all the layer of just not fucking being distracted and wasting

all your time and just being focused on accomplishing what you want to do. You know, I, like, I spend very little time bogged down with, like, serious guilt and shame for doing the wrong thing, because I'm pretty good at avoiding doing the wrong thing. Right. I mean, not to say that I don't fuck up and, you know, hurt people's feelings or, you know, I mean, I still fuck up all the time, but when I do, I'm pretty good about addressing it, you know. How much of, like, because once you have that narrative, it's, it's, you kind of realize that this is something that you can kind of sell back to the public, right? Like, there are people who want to hear this and that this is inspirational.

some people, do you feel like you're past that? Or is that something that you're still kind of utilizing as content? That, uh, it's tricky, man. It's tricky. And I love that you brought that up because, uh, you know, like the stuff, the, the stuff that we do as far as like, you know, 12-step work, like, it kind of needs to stay on the not professional side, you know, because, uh, you know, because, uh, you know, You know, if I ever like, I can't charge money to go talk about recovery and shit.

Interesting. I can't. Because then my wires are tangled up. I'm doing it for the wrong reasons. Right. I had a, like, I remember a few years ago, I got booked to do a Q&A about mental health at some university in, like, Washington State. Right. And when I showed, you know, they were paying me, I don't know, like 15,000 bucks for something to do a Q&A.

I was like, yeah, right on. And in my experience doing it, like all the questions, I was like, oh, well, I can't really speak to, you know, like this, like, you know, mental illness kind of thing. I don't really know about that. I kind of know about, like, the addiction thing. So it just turned into me being paid to talk about addiction. And I remember after it was done. thinking like man well if everything doesn't work out I could maybe just like get paid a tight and then I'm like no because that that that that that that that's a slippery slope man so so I

like to do like the the spiritual work like all that I'd like to leave that you know just doing it for the sake of right you know like I try to kind of keep keep everything and it's appropriate compartment. Sure, I mean, like, I'll never shy away from carrying the message of recovery, but I don't professionalize it. It makes sense. Can I tell you, I have a really good Steevo story. Cool. I mean, you're not involved in anyway, but I was on the beach in Barcelona in, I guess, like, 2012, and it was this, like, they have this crazy party thing on the beach where it's just people are like there all fucking night. They got tents. Everybody's fucked up. on drugs and drinking or whatever.

And I'm there with my friends. It's like four in the morning. I'm drunk as shit. And I'm walking through this beach thing, right? And this girl just locks eyes with me. And she grabs me by the back of the head. And she just goes, are you, Stevo? And I just look her right in the eyes.

And I go, yes. And then she turns me so that she can see my back. Because I actually have no shirt on at this month. moment for whatever reason, you know, it's Barcelona in the middle of the summer, and she sees that I don't have a tattoo of my own face on my back. And she said, no, you're not. That was the end of that. Now, I always wonder, like, would I have had the heart to actually, like, get involved under the pretense of being somebody else? I don't know. It sounds like you were well on the way. Because that's fucked up. But I definitely don't think I would have, like, realized how fucked up

that was at the time. Well, I mean, like, if, uh, if, if, if you were in Barcelona on the beach and there was like a big party scene, like, yeah, it might have taken a few days to realize. But in that, in that element, like, isn't looking like Steveo just as good as being Stevo? Like, realistically, Steveo's probably not in Spain at this time. Like, I'm as good as it gets. I would dare say that you're better looking than Stevo.

Hmm. And. Fame goes a long way in the society. of ours, you know? I don't think anybody's thinking about our, like, facial attributes. It's so funny, man. Like, I have someone that I would, like,

really confide in with my, you know, my fears instead. And I'd be like, man, my, you know, I'm getting older and my, my appearance is deteriorating, man. Like, I feel like, and my buddy says, see, I got news for you, man. You didn't get

to where you are because you're a sex symbol. For real. I mean, how many guys do you really know that you, that, because every once in a while you meet a dude who you realize that they are good looking enough that it has really significantly impacted their life. Like, like, there's this guy, Leo, I know, who's like a model or something. He was on The Bachelor, The Bachelorette, whatever.

And he admitted that when he was on the podcast. You know, he's good looking enough that he's always been able to just get chicks to take care of them. he's been able to kind of coast through life in a way as a result and I'm like wow I don't know almost any guys that I've ever heard say anything like that I mean that that's a slippery slope in and of itself yeah you know if you gotta be careful with that man that that's like uh if if you if you're extremely wealthy and you've got um kids and you spoil your kids and then you know then the you know your kid's gonna be a pussy and not like a not a hustler no I think about that all the time because I have a two year old she's almost two and it's like I don't know even little things like I she she sees me ordering postmates every day and it's like I don't want my fucking kid thinking it's normal to just order postmates every day I want you to be a cheap fuck like the way I came up yeah that's great I'm just going back and forth with it a little bit but um yeah all right so I want to revisit

was at the time period too where I first became cognizant of Steve-o. I was like 13, you know, perfect prime era. How old you now? 38. Okay, cool. How old are you? I just turned 48. Okay, good.

So I'm like, you know, 12, 13. And I was fucking with CKY before Jackass came out. So this was very like revelatory of like, holy fuck, this fucking weird skate video that we had been passing around at school and trade, you know, with VHS tapes, you'd always have to like, it would be a real thing. to let your friends borrow it because you'd actually watch this shit two, three times, right? And then Jackass comes out on TV, and this was like, all of a sudden, this thing that we kind of knew about becomes huge. Everybody in school is excited about it.

Everybody's, you know, trying to jump off a building into a bush or like, you know, getting a wheelbarrow and get pushed into a bush or something. Collide with a bush in some way. Can we revisit this time period and what it was like to have the show come up? out and become just this fucking massive? Oh yeah, for sure. I mean, I remember my first time watching the CKY video, and it was after Jackass had already come out on MTV. Oh, so you didn't see CKY until then?

I mean, dude, I never even met Bam until we were filming the second season of Jackass, and it was already a, like, historical hit. It was like the biggest ratings for any show in that. kind of format in the history of MTV. Right. And we had all never been in the same place yet because like by, you know, the nature of the show, it was all just like a hodgepodge of different clips. Right. So, you know, and then before that, I had gone from like, you know, selling pot to being a circus clown.

Right. And, you know, and I went, like I was working in a circus. when we filmed the first season. When the show came out, I had been fired from the circus and spent the money that I got. I got like no money for the first season. It was less than $1,500 that I made

for the entire first season of Jackass. And that was gone. And I had been living with my sister and she kicked me out of the house. So literally, when Jackass hit MTV. I was unemployed,

homeless, and broke. Wow. And a star on the biggest show on MTV. And did you just feel it immediately wherever you go? Oh my God, yeah. Everywhere you go, every kid's got to say something to you. Dude, it was intense.

The, um, like the, there was the, I didn't really do anything spectacular in the first episode. It was the second episode that aired where I swallowed the goldfish and barfed up the goldfish into a fish bowl. Right. And dude, when that aired, boom, my life changed so much.

Because, like, that was October of year 2000. Like, fucking, you know, just about 22 years ago. And back then, there was, they had the internet, but you couldn't watch videos on the internet. It was like, like, telephone fucking, like, modems. You know, there was no high-speed internet. You couldn't watch. Even porn was, like, photos of porn. There was almost no video online, I think.

You couldn't watch videos on the internet. And they, I mean, they had, like, cable TV and shit. Like, and then, and that was it. So the media was not so fragmented. Yeah. And it made a fucking difference. and especially when the show was a hit. Like, it was like everybody knew me overnight.

And, yeah, dude, like, I was in Florida at that time. And immediately I found that I was able to, like, hump hot chicks, you know? Like, I was, like, I mean, I just immediately, like fell in love with the like the with just fame and all of like power that that gives you know it's really the power the you know like the the the the the the the the like hot chicks being super into me like people thinking like man this guy is a big deal you know like all of that and like I just took to abusing that power like I think most most anybody would you know I think

the becoming, like, famous on any level, it has growing pains, the attendant growing pains. You can't sort of have this power bestowed on you and not... Try to figure out the limits. Right. And not abuse it, you know? And that manifests in different ways. People will have, like, just shitty attitudes. They'll be like, you know.

and I you know acting out with chicks I burned a lot of chicks I'd you know I'd fucking I had my growing pains man I'm really grateful that when I did that there wasn't a video camera

in everybody's pocket you know I kind of made it through my growing pains and you know then through all the addiction stuff and you know where I'm at today like I'm pretty stoked to not be like a, I mean, I'm a douche.

You know, I'm still like, I have my own ways of being a douche, but I'm not like, you know. Yeah, there's levels to docherie. I can completely live with who I am now. Right. But to, but to the, so that was what kind of what it was like becoming famous overnight. And I remember thinking, too, that the way, that the way my life changed overnight that I had to get the fuck. out of Florida. I was like, man, I got like, I got to get out of Florida, like, and moved to California. And, you know, kind of to avoid mistreating people who, who cared about me and who I cared

about them. And more to take advantage of the opportunity that all of this represented. Right. And so I, I moved out to California. But I remember watching the, the CKY video. I just taken liquid, like liquid acid. We've actually, had a dropper. We put like drops out of the dropper of liquid acid in our mouth, tripping fucking balls. My buddy's making a porno movie in his bedroom. He's got his video camera and he's just boning this chick.

And I'm waiting for him to get done. I mean, whatever. He's just boning the chick. And I'm watching CKY2K on a VHS tape in his living room. Right. And I'm just seeing, bam, jump off all this stuff. and like, remember he jumped off like a six-story balcony into a pool and that was just too much for me. I was like, I was like, man, it made me feel jealous of him.

It inspired me and I was just like, ah, immediately I came up with the idea. I was like, I've got to get to put on my stilts. You know, like I kept, I was a clown, so I had all my shit in the car. I was like, I'm going to put on, I'm going to walk on stilts with my stilts. costume on and i'm going to throw myself over the railing of a fucking bridge like into this uh intercoastal waterway in in florida like uh just that was my natural i had this intense urge to do that because i was so jealous and impressed by bam and so like i got to a point i was like all right dude your pornos done dude we got to fucking go this and we're just on ass it so bad that like

my button i just barged into his room like when you come on you And sure enough, dude, tripping my fucking face off. My buddy, like, filmed me throwing myself off this bridge while walking on stilts. Right. But that's fucking crazy. Because, like, okay, if somebody wanted you to put on some fucking stilts and do something potentially dangerous, jumping into a pool now, it would be like, all right, well, how much am I getting paid, et cetera, right? At that time, it was just, you were just doing it for the love of the thrill? No, I mean, it was always about getting the footage.

And I don't know that that dynamic's any different because when it comes to doing stuff like that, I still have like a crazy to-do list of super fucked up shit. And it's not even a question about what anybody's going to pay me to do it. It's when I film it and I own the footage, like how much will I be able to exploit the footage? So like, I'm the boss. Right. You know, and that's, it was kind of like that back then too. What kind of stuff are you thinking about doing at this point? I've been, I thought you were past like torturing yourself.

Oh, no, dude. I mean, like, what I did, what I've done, the way that my whole kind of career has evolved, in 2010, when Jackass 3D came out, I was newly sober and found myself. in comedy clubs a lot of the time because going to bars and nightclubs didn't make sense as a sober guy and and I had like this real you know pull

to to dive into doing stand-up comedy because I was in the comedy clubs all the time and I did and then when Jackass 3D came out I began touring comedy clubs which I did for like 11 fucking years tirelessly and largely under the radar like people didn't know that I was is really doing stand-up comedy as a career.

And that was important to you to just sort of grind away at it without trying to bring too much attention to yourself? I think so, man. I needed to develop that craft. I was also kind of self-conscious. I didn't want to say like, I'm doing stand-up comedy because I felt like people would hate on that. And people did hate on that.

But I didn't give up. And after 11 years of touring comedy clubs, I graduated to theater. Now, like, now I fucking go around on a tour bus and like I've like, it's nuts now, you know? Like on a Tuesday night, I got a fucking thousand people in a packed theater. Amazing. And I just, I'm on the tour bus with my buddies. And what's exciting about it is that as my comedy kind of grew and evolved, it became multimedia.

At first, it was like, I mean, I'd just do the act. And then in post-production, I would edit footage in to illustrate the stories I was telling. And then I did that as my last comedy special, which was multimedia. But for the tour I'm on now, there's like a fucking gigantic screen in the theater. And so I'd like tell these stories about this fucked up shit that I wanted to do. And after each bit, I screen the footage. so yeah man like I've been doing higher level

fucked up shit than ever before does that feel like a compromise though because then you can't really like modify your set because it has to sort of fall in line with these specific topics I do modify the set within those confines

I'll kick bits out I'll replace them with with new bits like you know and I don't know that I think pretty much any touring comedian is largely staying to the same. You know, you work on the show, you're going to do the same show, you know, like you might deviate a little bit here and there,

but it's not any different because I have video, video breaks in my show. Right. But I've been doing this, this tour is kind of, in its later stages, and I'll tape this, a comedy special, I'll do a special for this tour, the bucket list tour. and then I'll move on to the next door and that shit's gonna get fucked up then Right yeah definitely is it Are you still motivated to spend that much time on the road Or do you feel like you need to find balance in that regard

And set aside time to spend it home and shit I See I love being on the road Especially now But like when I was in the comedy clubs It was a fucking nightmare Because it was just living groundhogs day I was just fucking trudging through airports

and then check into hotel, check out of the hotel, the fucking radio, you know, it's just so much work. No matter how much you love what you're doing, having to have that as your everyday existence will challenge it. Yeah, nightmare. I've got this new book coming out in September, and in the book I say that any comedian who says they love life on the road on the comedy club circuit is either lying or even more mentally ill than I am.

Right. because at a certain point it's a miserable fucking existence. You're sleeping in hotels, you're eating the same shitty fast food or whatever. I mean, you're getting a very surface level experience of all these amazing places.

But then also, once you've been to every American city, it all of a sudden doesn't seem so romantic seeing them over and over, you know? But then it's, everything changed now that I graduated at theaters. And I can do, the comedy clubs you only do shows on the weekends.

Right. So it's, Every week is just devoted to one spot. And you're there like Thursday through Sunday. You know, same room. Like the whole, you know, and like, now I'll do a different city every fucking night of the week. And I'm on this magic fucking, the tour bus is just like this magic pad that I'm in hanging with my bros on. I bring an editor.

I bring my, you know, my fucking tour team. and just hanging with my bros, just fucking raising hell, and it just magically teleports to where I have to do an hour of work. It's like I work for an hour. You know, I made an hour and a half with a meet and greet after.

But you feel like you're able to be super productive on the tour bus with everybody. That's amazing. Fuck, yeah, dude, because, like, I've got, you know, like I'm doing all my production shit on the road. I got my editor with me. We're filming.

We're fucking editing. I got a podcast studio built into the bus. Right. You know, like. But so the one that we have right out here, this is a separate one that's smaller. That's the, the class B. Ah, so you have multiple mobile podcasts. I got the tour bus.

Got it. And I've got the little class B fan. Wow. That's dope. Why is it so important for you to podcast on the road when everybody else is just setting up studios in buildings? Well, I mean. I can understand the tour bus. for sure, but to have that one and be able to just pull up here so that I don't have to drive

like 20 minutes to your spot is pretty impressive. It's crucial. And I mean, I launched my podcast, the Wild Ride podcast, and like right when the pandemic shut down. I had no idea the pandemic was coming. But I was like, finally, I'm going to get on this podcast bandwagon. And it was something I'd resisted because I got so annoyed. so many times by the question, will you do my podcast?

You know, like every fucking asshole and their mom has a podcast. And like 99% of them have no audience and no I don't want to be on your fucking pocket. I don't want to waste an hour of my time talking to nobody so that you can

fucking record it. You know? And then like the idea of me starting a podcast and being the guy with the annoying, will you be on my podcast, it was, I had such a visceral fucking, I just didn't want to do that. And I thought, okay, well, it's important that I do it.

But if I'm, if I'm gonna do this, let me make it convenient for, you know, I'll bring the studio to the guests. Right. And it was just a rad gimmick. It's fun. Like, and yeah, it's, it's pretty easy to it. What would you describe as your podcast and style,

like how you would prefer the interviews that you do? to go. I mean, it feels very freeform, but is there an objective in your head that you're trying to get to? I mean, I think that, I think that it's, it's, uh, it's about me being entertained, you know, like, I really think that that's what it is. Like, the, the, the experience I have podcasting, there's so much anxiety with having to book a guest every week, you know, and I've got, like, crazy ambition, you know, like, I've, I've, I've, I try to, to hold myself to super high standards. I want to have like epic guests.

I want to, you know, like, and so it's a, a constant fucking state of anxiety trying to book the show. That's like the miserable part. The actual recording of the podcast is the fun part, you know, and it's such a benefit to, like, on a weekly basis, have conversations with like super fucking impressive, fascinating people, you know? And if I'm fascinated, if I'm engaged in the conversation and really entertained by the experience, then it follows that the audiences as well.

You ever have bad interviews? Sure. Like, I feel like when you interview comedians, it's not that hard, or it's kind of hard to have a bad interview because these are people who talk for a living. My bad interviews are like a rapper who may or may not be under the effects of opioids. and he's just sort of quiet as fuck. One word answer, clearly super uncomfortable. Those are the ones that are the duds in my experience.

I mean, there's going to be bad ones. And fortunately, the digital realm is so democratic. You know, it's like shit that sucks just kind of doesn't get traction. And the shit that kicks ass fucking picks up speed. So, like, kind of the good shit rises to the top. And then it becomes kind of like a battle where you want to make your podcast so good that the fans will watch you interview somebody that never even heard of. Right. Because people who are at the top of their game, somebody like Joe Rogan.

And even Andrew Schultz right now. I feel like Andrew Schultz could interview a fucking bum off the street and get a million views right now. It's like, you know, Joe Rogan, I'm sure his smallest episodes are still fucking gigantic. Dude, it's insane. Joe Rogan's even like just flexing on it, like rubbing it in. He's like, oh, let me see if I just have a fucking marine biologist. But, you know, you got to wonder, is he, like, just having a laugh? Right.

You know? Because those, that's when I kind of, like, tend to tune out a bit. Sure. Because he's just way more interested in science and nature than me. Right. You know? Did you follow him over to Spotify? I did, although it took a little while.

But, yeah, because, like, pretty much when I started. started doing podcasts, it was like, I think Joe Rogan might have been on episode 300 of his podcast where I think he's at like, damn near 2000 now. Yeah. And when I started, I was like, I'm going to do what this motherfucker's doing, but I'm going to do it for like underground rappers and underground clothing lines and porn stars and all these weird people I know. So for me, like, I felt like up to a certain point I watch every single Joe Rogan episode.

Like I was such a student of it. Like I basically learned how to podcast from him 100%. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's insane. It's insane how, you know, Howard Stern, the king of all media. And then, like, and Howard Stern is so much, like, of the old school. You know, like the, I think that to Howard Stern, the, like, the entertainment world, it's like, are you in a movie?

You know, do you have a TV show? Like, oh, you're a musician. Do you have a record, you know, deal? Like, all this, like, sort of, you know, establishment kind of approach to it. And for the longest time, Howard didn't get YouTube. She couldn't understand. We're going for views, like podcasting. Like, no respect for podcasting or YouTube or anything digital.

And that made me really look down on him as somebody who grew up listening to Howard Stern. And I was like, how do you not understand how Joe Rogan do. this for three hours straight about whatever the fuck he wants is just inherently more artistically pure than what you're doing with ads crammed in every five seconds and you're introducing bits and when people are paying a subscription fee and they're doing ads so it's better content and it's better business-wise because you're not having to do all this other bullshit to pay the bills i mean do i i am like a super fan of howard stern you know like um And I also acknowledge that I think that he's of the old school and Joe Rogan is of the new school.

And Joe Rogan has fucking eclipsed him. And to be real, Joe Rogan is a big inspiration to me still to this day because of the way he handles his power. Where given all of the fame and all of the opportunities and all the money that anybody could possibly have, he chooses to just basically live a fairly ordinary life. You know, obviously he lives in a super nice house and everything, but you can tell that he just does, he chooses to abstain from basically everything that's available to him, which kind of like when we're talking about being young

and getting that fame and getting addicted to drugs. Obviously, he's had a slow build up to this in a lot of ways, but that to me is very inspiring to like get that much success and then just stay normal. For sure. And I love that. I think that when I look at people who get into all the flashy shit, you know, I mean, you're talking all the rappers and everything and all the, like, it's, and for me, I look at my buddy Bam, you know, like, Bam, just got so sucked in to the, uh, the appearance of things, you know, with the lumbos and the, you know, like, he got caught up in the flag. And it's so scary to me when when people get caught up in and flashy shit and then

ultimately their shine wears off a little bit and they can't keep up those appearances anymore. And then the question becomes how far down how far are they going to go to try to maintain that appearance when it's beyond their means to do so? And then at what point does something got to give and they're in real trouble? Yeah. When I hear people tell me about, oh, I was in the club and I saw this basketball player and he spent $100,000 in the club or whatever. I'm just like, this is the worst thing that I could imagine. For sure.

And shout out to him enjoying his life if that makes him happy for this time being all power to you. But I just feel like that is the worst thing you could do is to take like actual real amounts of money that could change people's life and just spend. spending on indulging in yourself for the night. For sure. I mean, and I don't even quite understand, like, how I've been able to not get caught up in that shit, you know? But, like, dude, I buy my fucking jeans at Target.

Really? Still? Yeah. I'll buy some $200 jeans. $300 jeans. I, like, I buy my shit at Target. That's sick. That's right.

And I almost think, like, dude, like, I could be getting. getting at Walmart. You know, like, I just don't, you know, even though now I did order a Tesla. Oh, nice. But I got the, like, the, whatever, the cheap one. Oh, okay. Yeah, because people are always trying to convince me that I should, like, have more expensive hobbies, like jewelry or cars or something.

Like, I just don't really feel like that's the kind of thing that would make me very happy long run. Yeah, dude. It's nuts, man. So, dude, I know that I'm going to want to ask you about this stuff on my podcast. But when you say that, did you see when I interviewed Lil Zan? Well, I didn't actually see it, but I was meaning to watch it last night. I mean, whatever, dude.

Like, don't trip. You can imagine, like, kind of what it was. No, because I know Lil'Zan very well because he was basically like a random kid hanging out at my store. and then all of a sudden he's just huge right i uh got very interested in um in the the lil zan story because of of like just a i don't know something like really well put together video about what was going on sunny v2 correct yeah that's a great channel dude he's good yeah it's a really good channel shout out to sunny v2 he's on a run he fucking millions and millions of views on everything he does yeah Yeah, he's, I remember I watched that and you played so prominently into that video.

Oh, yeah, yeah. You know, where, where I was, I was impressed by you kind of moderating the whole deal. Because he was accusing his sober manager of feeding him drugs, which just didn't make any fucking sense. Like, sober people don't feed people drugs. I know his manager, which made that particularly upsetting for me. Right, right, right. I felt that you did a, you did a, you did a, you did a.

very good job of being like objective like not like you know like very you moderated the situation very fairly yeah thank you appreciate that and it made me kind of fascinated and then

out of nowhere like the the kid reaches out to me really I think it was like and I was like fuck man cool dude yeah let's do it right so so we get him on the on the podcast and he's like yeah man it's great job I've got this this tour man it's almost sold out like and you know that's the one he canceled yeah i mean dude this the he was talking about

this tour being almost sold out and like oh it's just great now i'm like in this great place and just got out of rehab i'm totally sober i'm going on tour big success and like that podcast came out like and the next day it like the tours you know i mean when i talk about loving yourself or like acting in your own best interest. I mean, Zan is just clearly somebody who struggles with that because it's so obvious that he just has to wake up,

work on music, and then like tour, do shit for his fans, just like stay on that path. And he just like has always had a hard time staying focused, man. Yeah, it's gnarly, man. And that's the other thing too

is that in speaking with him on my podcast over the course of that hour, fucking I fell in love with the kid. He's a great kid, yeah. I fell in love with him. I really, you know, rooting for him. I remember, like, at the beginning of every one of my episodes, I give the episode an adjective.

And I call that a redeeming. And I welcome to a redeeming wild ride. You know, I've got this kid, we're really rooting for him. And it just seems that he's got some more getting in his own way. Right. 100%. Okay. I wanted to say this.

I was always a Ryan Dunn fan, in particular because I, I grew up riding BMX bikes, and he showed love to it multiple times where there was jackass footage of him. There was like a BMX brand, Little Devil, and he'd be rocking their shirts and shit. So we thought he fucks with us because we're always looking at skateboarders. Like they're the coolest motherfuckers, and they got all the money and the girls. And they're the famous ones. And then just to see him fucking with the culture, that meant a lot to us early on.

Yeah, on the BMX colliding with trees. Yeah, yeah. that kind of thing yeah dude i mean right ryan was uh it's so notable to me that he was okay with being given the moniker random hero like whereas i have always been such an attention whore i am such like a such a a self-absorbed self-important like just like just a ego maniacal fucking attention seeking lunatic that if

anybody tried to call me random hero I would have lost my fucking mind I would want my credit I would want my name I would want like and Dunn just was it's just the opposite

of that that's what Dunn was just so the opposite of that he had just like the ego was oh random hero great Like, oh, you want to have me in your project and, like, not even give me any credit. Like, call me random hero, like, to, like, as a way of, like, even making a joke out of how you don't think I deserve credit. Right.

And, like, he was okay with that. Yeah. You know, like, that kind of spoke a lot to who he was. Like, he was pretty really well-adjusted, not, like, fame-hungry, ego-driven, you know. Like, he was a real-ass dude. Was it hard to keep going with the Jackass thing at a certain point because he was such a big part of it? I mean, we didn't. Like the Jackass 3D came out in October of 2010.

Right. Ryan passed away in June of 2011, and there was no more activity with Jackass until 2020. Right. So it was like 10 years. Like, now, I don't, uh, was that more of a natural break or was that kind of because of that? I mean, I think there were a lot of factors involved in, uh, and, and, and I, I was shocked as hell that after there being no activity with jackass for like 10 fucking years. Like all of a sudden, Knoxville wants to do a fourth movie, like, huh? you know like that that caught me off guard because you had moved on mentally you were like this is just

a thing that we did in the past and we moved on i thought that ship had sailed yeah i thought that ship had sailed and um i had uh i mean i've just always been even when i was on drugs i was a fucking hustler man i was always like like i might have been going the wrong direction i might have been but i was always moving right you know i was always doing something and um for the that whole 10 years, I, you know, I dove into the YouTube thing. Right. Like, I got on that, on that, uh, that digital hustle. And, um, so I felt pretty comfortable that I was building my own momentum.

I was, I had my own stuff going. Like, I kind of was going to be fine either way. Right. When the idea for a fourth jackass movie came up, like, it was a no-brainer for me because, you know, I, I'd never stopped doing fucked up shit. You know, I was, I was, pushing myself on my own. For sure.

There were even emails going around over those years. You know, like one of the guys would be like, hey, come on, let's make another movie. And I would reply like, yeah, man, fuck. I'd rather make a movie than a stupid fucking YouTube video. But it's one or the other. I don't care. But does it really feel like that?

Because the thing with YouTube is you have complete control. You do whatever the fuck you want. The movie thing is a million people involved. Right. A million. 100%. And here's what's crazy. And it was 2013, you know, like Jackass came out in year 2000.

And 13 years later, I still had not learned how to properly edit footage on a computer. You know, like I was just a slave to the establishment, you know? If I was in a movie or a TV show, it was because some fucking asshole in a suit in a boardroom said that was okay. You know, like I was talent. You know, I had no, like, hand in, in the production of shit. And I remember 2013, Knoxville was making the Bad Grandpa movie. And God, that's fucking stung, dude, because it was like, Jackass Presents Bad Grandpa. It's the new Jackass movie.

Right. And we're not in it. Yeah. I was like, dude, Knoxville Timberlaked us. You know? Beyonce idea. Yeah. And now I'm the Jackson Four.

You know, and that was a tough one, man. And, you know, there was some other shit going on that year, too. Like, I got fired from the one TV gig I had. And, you know, I was still new doing the comedy. Like, I was hardly killing it as a stand-up comedian. So I just kind of felt like I was done for. And this guy, this guy called a meeting for him. me, he says he wants to manage me.

Going to this meeting and the guy's like, dude, it's all about the digital space. You got to have a YouTube channel. You got to have a podcast. You got to be fucking posting on social media all the time. And I was like, okay. I'm trying to kind of compute what the dude was saying. And it sounded like I should be making all this YouTube content and podcasts. Like myself, he never mentioned one fucking thing that he was going to do with this manager guy.

Right. You got to use, I'm like, he's telling me to do all this work, create all this content so I can give him 10% of everything, including my touring. Like, nah, it doesn't sound so good. And the bigger problem when he made this pitch to me was that I had this ego going on. I was like, hold on a second, dude. I'm a fucking movie star, dude. Like, I've been in three number one movies.

You know, I've had my own TV shows. Now you're telling me to... upload you know like a fucking youtube video it felt like such an embarrassing depressing demotion you know back in 2013 it was like so much like swallowing my pride to do that and then uh another buddy of mine just talked me into it taught me how to edit and and and i got on the youtube thing in 2013 and dude it revolutionized it brought about a rebirth for me right because i'd take control now now i don't need fucking permission from some cocksucker in a suit. Right. Now I fucking

deliver straight to my own audience. Right. And is that just feel way more important? Like if you had the option of you could have a successful career in movies, but you can't do YouTube or social media, or you can keep going hard with YouTube and social media and you're never going to be in another movie?

I mean, yeah, I think having my own ecosystem is where it's at. I agree. You know, like, and, and, like, because they can't take that from you. Right. You know? I mean, unless you're promoting too much gambling shit. Shout out to Steve Wood do it, man.

Is that why they got him? Yeah. I don't understand. Like, I mean, he's promoting the same gambling shit that everybody else is promoting. No, no, he was promoting this unregulated offshore. Steak. I don't even think.

Same shit Drake promotes, right? Or maybe he was promoting something else. I think it was something else called Rubet. Oh, Rubet was the, but Rubet was. came before steak i believe yeah i mean i'm not even sure i don't even know i don't even know but i know it had to do with some gambling shit right you know and uh and it's a it's a fucking that's it's gnarly i like yeah texted him yesterday like hey man how like how are you doing i gotta believe he's he's having a tough time yeah i know it's been making me think what would i do if the youtube

channel disappeared and i had and it's like all you can really think of is all the other social networks. Like maybe I could make TikToks and then like tell people to go watch my interviews on Facebook. I mean, it's a rough, maybe you make an app. Right. And then you go super hard on all the app, all the other apps, and you try to get people to watch the full length shit on your app. I mean, either way, this is

just not as good as fucking YouTube, right? Right. I mean, dude. And, and like on the subject of people who are caught up in the flashy shit and maintaining their appearance, you know, like, I, I Right when I met Steve will do it, I was looking at all this spending. And I'm like, I actually got him on my podcast, which was like some of unicorn shape,

because he didn't do podcasts, you know? And I asked him, I was like, what, you know, I'm just, I'm dying to know is all this spending that you're doing, like a strategic, like, masterful thing? Or are you just out of your mind? Right. You know? And his answer was I just believe in myself

so much that I just go... Yeah, because I've heard him say shit like that talking about, oh, my mom is so mad at me that I'm smelling, and the thing that goes through my head is like, you don't know that this is going to keep going forever.

And I don't think that... I mean, Steve's a smart guy and he's got all the opportunities in the world. I'm sure that six months or a year from now his financial state will be fine that this will just be a temporary hit. But, I mean, to me,

when I see him buying everybody $60,000, dollar watches i'm like bro do you know how much fucking college that's paying for for my kid you know how much that that's a lot of fucking mortgage payments dude like you can't just like treat your life like a joke like that you have to prepare for what's to come i know dude it's so and and i even like when i was on the podcast with them i felt like i was like uh taking a like a big brother role trying to like hey man i like i want you to look into your future and and set yourself up 100% Dead. Narnely.

One more thing I wanted to ask you about that was watching YouTube video the other day. And it might have been a sunny V2 video, but I can't remember. But it showed a clip from a roast where Amy Schumer made this really off-color joke about Ryan Dunn. And it was basically being used to demonstrate the point, which is that Amy Schumer is very disliked by the public, I guess, at this point. I think I watched that video too. And that was such a controversial joke on that roast. And to be fair, it wasn't a joke about Ryan Dunn at all. This is true, yeah.

Like what the joke was was... You're a piece of shit. Yeah, the joke was, hey, I'm sorry that you lost your friend. There was nothing inappropriate about that, you know? And, you know, like, I was thinking with, like, everyone else, man, why did I have to be Ryan Dunn? Why couldn't it have been Steveo, you know? Right.

So the joke was like, Steve, I wish you were dead. wishes he were dead. I mean, I don't know. Like, that's not, uh, I don't, like, I mean, what made it so controversial was that, like, my facial expression was just like, yeah. And I think in that video, they're like, because we're used to seeing you laugh at everything. Right. And in that video, it was like, Steve was always smiling. Right. You know, now, like, you know, I don't know. I think, um, it's, it's whatever. I don't, uh, I don't, uh, I don't hold any grudge over that. And, and, and what's, the, the, the tragedy of it, was that at that time way back then,

I got, I let myself get sucked into like all of the negativity that was aimed at Amy Schumer around it. And I even like piped off in some interview. I had some shit to say about it. And it was fucked up. It wasn't cool. And I ended up reaching out to Amy Schumer

to acknowledge that. You know, to just try to, you know, to clear that away. And I had a great conversation with Amy Schumer about it. I felt that, you know, we were good from that point. And I was able to see her rise in her career to the meteoric success that she had and genuinely feel good about that for her. Because, okay, I had the same reaction when I first saw it, which was like, that's so fucked up.

How dare she say something like that? And then I did, I started to double back my mind. And I'm like, if this was Dave Chappelle making the same joke. For sure. How would I feel? And you know what? Jeffrey Ross on that same fucking roast had a very similar joke. Really?

He said, it was fucking a really good one too. He said, you know, hey, like in all seriousness, the jackass. family has suffered a real tragedy lately. We wanted to say our hearts go out to them. You know, they've suffered this terrible tragedy. Steve O has gotten into comedy. That's funny. Yeah, I mean, the super similar joke is that one was just a better joke.

That's funny, yeah. Yeah, nobody was mad at him. And so, yeah, I don't know. It's all good, dude. Yeah, just because, I mean, you don't want to be the person who's picking out fights and being selective with their outrage in terms of comedy of all things. You want to give everybody the same fair playing field, and if somebody really does something that's out of bounds, you want to be consistent with your judgment about that, right?

You know, I just saw, like some fucking TikTok or something. It's a story in the news cycle right now about how. Metallica was featured on the show Stranger Things. Right. And you know, their fucking song from 1986 hits the billboard fucking charts because of Stranger Things. Right. They're enjoying this like this resurgence of, you know,

like just this crazy moment of attention. And then like virtually the next thing that happens is that under all of that, like with all of that attention, has come scrutiny and now there's this movement to cancel Metallica because people have unearthed like some legitimately fucking upsetting stuff. So what did Metallica do back in the day that they're pissed off about? They've got like pictures of them doing like Nazi salutes and fucking like there's like whatever it was there was included in this article that I saw. You know like I've watched the TikTok of this of this like kind of goth chick like making her whole case for why.

you know, Metallica should be canceled. And she had all these assets to like illustrate her points with like pictures of them doing Nazi salutes and like, you know, this and that. I'm not cool with the Nazi shit, but ain't no purple-haired bitch on TikTok going to tell me nothing about Metallica. I'm sorry. It's just it's not happening. The ship has sailed.

Metallica is cool. Anything they've done in the past, they are absolved for. I can't let this occur. My feeling about it was that there was, you know, there was some unfortunate images, you know, it bummed me out. But what bummed me out way more was the purple-haired chick, like on this crusade. I thought, you know, like that's what cancel culture kind of amounts to is that like everything that you're trying to. to be against hatred, you know, like, like, racist, you know, like all of that oppression, all of that, like, you know, just negativity, you are harnessing and aiming to, like, this is

just a woman being racist on Metallica. And I don't, but I don't think any. You know, like, I mean, not racist, but like, but this, this whole, this whole like of, like, just venomous hate. and like, like, you know, it's everything that they're trying to speak out against that they're doing. They're bringing more negativity into the world for sure. And, and I mean, I don't think that there's a chance in hell that this chick actually gives a fuck at all. This is content.

She's playing the algorithm. She's playing the game that has been set out. She's working with the incentives of the social media platforms that reward outrage. I'll give her even less credit. She's trying to harm people, you know? It's trying to harm people. And that. And so, I don't know.

I mean, like, I don't want to see. I've never been fucking down with any shit like that. Like, I don't know. Yeah, Ryan Long told me that when comedians try to cancel each other, that it's like when rappers snitch on each other. Oh, yeah. Like, when I explained to him basically why none of the rappers fuck with six and I, anymore. He was like, damn, that's like when a comedian tries to cancel somebody on Twitter,

and then they just show up at the club, like, it's all good the next day. And we're all just giving them the stink eye. I'm like, ah, that does sound about... Wow, dude. Yeah, six, nine, man. Like, let's... Yeah, you might have to talk about it on your show. And I could easily, for the record, I could easily go for three hours with Steve, but maybe we'll have to do a part too because we're on a little bit of a time crunch and I got to go pop into yours. Yeah. Yeah, for sure, man. Well, uh, we'll, we'll... We'll do that.

And by the way, man, thank you so much for making the time for that. Oh, no. My pleasure, man. It's a real honor, yeah. Yeah. All right, cool, man.

Then let's fucking regroup and jump in the van. Let's do it. Steve, oh, I appreciate you so much. Hey, likewise. And if you want to see part two, essentially, of this, make sure you check it out

on his channel and subscribe to his channel and everything like that. Yeah, dude. Appreciate it. We'll say the same thing on mine. Appreciate you, man. All right, dude, you.

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