No Jumper - The Suga Sean O'Malley Interview: UFC, Weed, SteveWillDoIt, Influencer Boxing & More

Episode Date: August 5, 2021

Suga Sean talks about never losing a fight, training camps being the best to get ready mentally, fatherhood, relationship with Dana White, fighting Petr Yan as a goal, partying and smoking between fights and more! https://www.instagram.com/sugaseanmma/ https://twitter.com/SugaSeanMMA Get free access to Bellesa Plus the Netflix of P*rn: https://bit.ly/2W2LL4i ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper. Coolest podcast on the world. I'm here with my man, Sugar Sean. But yeah, that's definitely part of it. Dude, yeah. Well, yeah. Having a reason to lose weight is such an important thing. Whether it's obviously for a fight or just picking up chicks, those are the two.

Yeah. No, I had a penthouse cover shoot at one point, and I was like, holy fuck. Like, I have to be on the cover of Pennhouse with my girl in like three months. Never been more strict with my diet. I'm just realizing, like, I might have to actually be immortalized on a magazine cover as a fat fuck. Dude, did you get jacked? I went hard. I went hard. Definitely lost a lot of weight, you know, kept the muscle

density, decent. How old your baby? Eight months. Dude, me too. Really? Yeah, what? Uh, November 14th. Oh, damn, mine was November 3rd. That's crazy. That is crazy. Little girl? Yeah. Dude, how crazy is that? Amazing. Your first? Yeah. Dude, it's that fucking trip. Feels like a constant long mushroom trip. Like,

every day they just get bigger and fucking the teeth and just Fucking weird. How many teeth you got on you? She's got two little ones popping up. In the bottom? Yeah. Me too. Exact same.

When they smile and they show their teeth, dude, that just does something to you. Yeah. It's just like weird. You know what's crazy is just how, you know, you walk into the room and you haven't seen her for a couple hours and their reaction? Dude. And it keeps getting better and better as they get older. I'm like, yeah. That's crazy.

But only. Because I was, I went to Miami. For the fight. Oh, actually. No. I fought in Vegas, then I was home for a week, and then I went to Miami for like four days. And then I got home and saw her, and I just fucking lost it. It was crazy.

I was like, it was just such a weird feeling. Because Danny, my girl was sending me snaps over every morning at night and shit, and you was like, I want to squeeze it, and then I saw her, and I just fucking, it was crazy. Fuck. It's a weird thing, really. Because you're like not used to having something that just so readily makes you emotional as fuck. Just so attached. Yeah.

It's almost scary. What's the longest you've been away from her because of, you know, camp and shit like that? So I do camp at home in Arizona. I live in Peoria, Arizona, which is like in, it's far enough away from fucking Scottsdale, Phoenix. I don't fuck around down there because, dude, that shit, there's too many chicks. I can't fuck around. I can't surround myself with too many girls. I lose focus, distraction.

I don't have enough self-discipline around that. So I live in Peoria. It's out the way. So when I'm in camp, I'm with the family pretty much the whole time. But when I went for fight camp, we leave Tuesday for Vegas. So Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, I see her Sunday. So five days. It's not bad.

It's not bad. And it's, I'm there for business work. I'm in a different mindset, fight week. I'm ready to fucking kill someone, you know. So it's, I'm okay being away from Danny and being away from the feminine energy. Yeah. I like being with the boys, being ready with, you know, with my, these dudes have fought before. They've competed before.

It's just in a different mindset. So the fight week's not too hard being away from her. But like when I was in Miami partying, like you have that little guilty, like, fuck. I should be home, but I'm home 98% of the time. Right. But yeah, what's the long as you've been away? Fuck.

I don't even know if it's been more than like a day or two at this point. Yeah, I got some like week-long trips planned coming up, but I haven't really had to do a long stretch. It's tough. It's tough. It's just because they change so much fucking right now. It's just, it's such a trip. Definitely.

It really makes me think about like how many people have jobs where they have to be away from months at a time and just how fucking difficult that must be. Especially for the mom. Like, Elena breastfeed still. So she's just so attached to Danny. Like, Danny can't fucking leave from a day at all. Like, she's... My girl went to Miami for her friend's Bachelorette party,

and she was gone for like two and a half days. And yeah, like, it was pretty intense. Yeah, it was like dropping off her outshouse and shit. I mean, I don't really trust myself to be that in the zone for that long. You know, this early on. You need help. 100%. Especially that.

little dude. Yeah. It freaks you out, dude, they choke on their own spit. You're like, you good, you good, fuck.

Yeah, my kid right now will eat a handful of dirt. Like whenever. So just reach into the pot and just eat dirt. Dude, seriously. It's like,

I know she doesn't like it, but it's really weird to me she keeps doing it because, like, the foods that she doesn't like, she just doesn't really want to eat them, but somehow the dirt still gets in there.

I know it doesn't taste good, but she keeps doing it. Yeah, babies do their trip. So it's fun to just watch them. What had to happen in your life to make you feel like you were, ready to be a dad, especially just given the nature of your career. It feels like it's been like really blowing up.

There's probably been a lot of times where it didn't feel like a sure thing. Like, how secure did you have to feel before you were ready? Dude, Elena was definitely an accident. I wanted kids eventually. Like, I wanted kids that was like 14. I wanted to be a dad 100%. Right. Danny, when I met her, we've been together for the 7, 8 years.

She didn't want kids. And then slowly over the years, she's like, yeah, I could see us having a kid. Elena was a complete accident, dude. but the craziest thing of it all is like I swear to God I don't really believe it God like a certain religion or whatever but dude the universe had me have a baby to keep me discipline to keep me fucking grounded

because it's too fun to party dude I don't party that often but when I go out I'm like holy shit I can see how people get lost in this world and for me like I was in Miami they're like let's go to Cancun Monday I'm like do my flight Sunday back home I gotta go I have a baby I gotta go home and you're around all these rich people all of a sudden who don't have anything holding them back to the real world

there's no work on Monday exactly so having a baby I it was the craziest thing like I don't remember busting in her had it been like pre-com because I don't I didn't bust it I've been pulling out for years yeah so dude having a baby was a fucking accident but it was literally something bigger like she

she was meant to be to keep me disciplined to keep me on the right path because party is too fucking fun dude especially like I've been grinding for 10 I'm 26 right now I started training I was 16 and the professional fighter lifestyle. I lived that lifestyle even when I was an amateur. Just go to the gym, train, come home. But you always felt like you knew this was like a sure thing. Like this had to happen or at the least you were going to give it your all until you got as close as possible.

Yeah, like just really making it to the UFC and just really being something. Yeah, I wanted to be a performer. Like, dude, when I was in the middle school, I want to be in the NFL or NBA. I'm from hell into Montana. It's a fucking tiny. I'm like, okay, I didn't realize that wasn't realistic until I realized fucking guys in the NFL NBA of six fucking eight. Like, I was not, that wasn't realistic after a while. I wanted to be a performer, can't fucking rap, even though all the chicks are like, so you're a rapper? I'm like, no, I fight.

They're like, what the fuck? No chicks know who the fuck I am ever. And in Miami we're out, and they all thought I was a rapper. I was like, well, fuck, we'll go with it. It seems like so weird as a UFC fighter because it's like everybody, like a very large percentage of people watch MMA, but then it takes so much. much to make them really remember one fighter in particular. But you've had a bunch of those moments where everybody is paying attention to you.

So you get famous or more famous in these waves of blowing up every six months or three months or however long it is. Right. Each fight, yeah, each fight I blow up a little bit more. I knew like when I was 16, 17, 18 years old, like I knew I was going to make it. I had this feeling that I was going to make it, whatever making it is, having money. Well, originally got in the fighting because I wanted chicks. That's what it came down.

I wanted to, I wanted, I was insecure, and I thought fighting would make me get chicks. So I kind of, that's originally the reason I started fighting. And then training what motivated me was money, chicks. Like, that was what motivated me. Now we're there. And I'm like, fuck, I have that, but that shit's a distraction. And it's fucking, it's a dangerous game to play. But I do a good job of, I do, I can party after my fights for a certain amount of weeks,

a couple weeks, whatever. I'll fight three times a year. like right now I'll probably fight in December and I got a couple things planned where I'll party for a little bit but for the most part I got it on lock where I live such a disciplined life that I can afford to go out and do that

a couple times a year Did you see that a Michael Jordan documentary The Last Dance? You're Dennis Rodman Taking a break from the season To go party in Vegas and shit I can take a flight in on fight night No yeah that shit was crazy though

Do you kind of relate to that though Like feel like you need to release least you couldn't just be a warrior just trapped in the gym every day over and over without turning up a little bit. God, I feel like I could just completely avoid partying and just, it's after fights that I want just because those training camps are so long and so disciplined for two months, eight weeks, pure discipline, diet, sleep, like, dude, no one does training camp like me as far as I sleep.

I try to master my sleep. I try to master recovery. A cold punch every night, stretch every night, do everything right, not over train. I surround myself with the best strength and conditioning coach, the best jujitsu player, the best. My team is so solid and it's just such a disciplined two months that I almost tell myself, I need to go out and have fun. Sometimes I don't even want to, but I just like, I feel like it pulled in. I got it. I got to do it.

I got to experience it. And then when I do, then it's like, oh, I don't want to go back to the discipline. So it's always just a balance of fucking knowing knowing what I need to do and what I want and I got to do what I need Because I always imagine that to be competitive in the UFC that you pretty much have to just be like a total warrior all the time and when I was listening to you with Theo Vaughn you were talking about after weigh-ins you'll See dudes just like going to the buffet and eating French toast before the fight and I'm like oh okay so there's a bunch of dudes who kind of are fucking around Yeah, then those guys will never be champ for the most of part, I mean, there's, there's rare people that can eat like shit and, and not take it 100%

serious. But for the most part, if you want to be world champ, which obviously, that's the main goal. I want to get the belt at 135, move up to 145. I want to be a legend in the sport. And you got to fucking be disciplined, dude. And it's funny, I'll train two months in a row and then go out one night and people like, you need to fucking start training. What are you doing partying?

It's fun. I don't really read too many comments and stuff, but that shit is funny that people, If you just look at my Instagram, it doesn't look like I fucking trained that much. But I mean, I'm in the gym all the time getting better. Yeah, it's kind of like when girls are like getting plastic surgery and they feel like they got to put that on Instagram. It's like, you can just show us the final product. I think it's dope to show up at the fight, beat the fuck out of someone. And they're not thinking that you're just this warrior 24-7 before that.

100%. I respect that. Were you beating the shit out of people before you got into MMA? Like, how many fist fights were you getting into as a kid? kid and stuff. Was that something you were drawn to? Not really. I was just so, I was like pretty small kid, 15, 16 years old, super fucking insecure. Go to high school, like, just worried about

getting picked on from an older whoever. I wasn't super confrontational. I didn't want to be in fights because I felt like I'd get my ass whooped. So I didn't really get in any street fights. And then when I started kickboxing, I was naturally pretty good because I played basketball, football, soccer, baseball.

So I was an athlete, since I was fucking three, four years old, playing any sports, T-ball, whatever the fuck it was, I just became a really good athlete doing all those different sports. So when I went in kickbox, we didn't really have a,

in hell and another world. It was not a high-level coach. You can't get really, really good in Montana. There's not a good enough gym. So we were sparring. Just, we throw on gloves and sparring. I was beating just pretty much everyone up. I was kind of the man at the gym eventually.

And that's when I moved to Arizona. And then I was just the worst. dude at the gym. Like I thought I was the fucking man and I came to Arizona and it was the bottom like the worst dude and it was fucking it was like a shock like what the fuck there's levels. Yeah. But I for whatever reason I just fucking I was like, okay, I can learn what these guys are doing why I'm losing and I'm a better athlete that I could eventually beat them and then eventually

we started beating a couple guys, beating a couple guys, beating a couple guys and fucking just, I mean now we're at the level where I train with such high level people that it's always going to be competition. I'm not going to go into the gym and be the top dog. Some days you are, some days you're not, but that's where you need to be. Were you getting frustrated during those times? Like, was there times where you felt like maybe I just really am not this dude? Dude, 100% a lot.

The first time I went there is when I stayed for seven days. I flew down. I think it was like seven, eight days, whatever it was. And it was fucking every single practice, I would leave crime. I was 18 years old. Complete ego just shattered because I thought I was the man come down. Every single practice, whether it was wrestling, get just shit on.

I've never wrestled in my life until I moved there. Even kickboxing, I'm like, damn, there's guys that can hit me. I've never really been hit. So after every practice, it hurt. I was like, fuck, dude. Maybe this ain't for me, but what the fuck else am I going to do? I wasn't going to go to school. I wasn't going to go college.

I knew that like third grade. I was like, what the fuck. Fuck school. I knew I wasn't going to go to there. Had no other plans. And I was like, I enjoy training. and I don't remember when I was like, damn, I could make it fighting. But, yeah, I knew I wasn't going to do anything else.

Right. And I think Connor was kind of blowing up at this point. So I was like, damn, this motherfucker's fun to watch. He's an entertainer. It's more than just fighting. That's what I was just so, I was like, damn, this is more than fight. The press conferences were fun. I would listen to all of his interviews and just be entertained by him talking.

Right. And I just fucking thought it was so sweet. that he's an entertainer outside outside the octagon. That just that really inspired me like damn, like I can do more than just fight and create all these other businesses.

Right. You know when I was watching a bunch of year fights getting ready for this, I was thinking about the first thing that I saw that made me actually get like really excited about MMA and it was like a commercial for UFC and it was just Brock Lesnar beating the fuck out of Frank Meir and I just like I already like kind of knew

who Frank Meir was for some reason and I just saw him like they're like up against the fucking fence and he's just go go go go go go go go go go go go go like he just hits him with these tiny little punches and knocks him out and I was just like his hands like that big yeah and I just had to fucking like go and like download every UFC fight and like actually figure out what the fuck like how this guy came to like be I'm like this guy's a wrestler and then that just like set me off where all of a sudden I had like a year where I started doing jihitsu and MMA shit and like and just like watching fights constantly and then at some point I just kind of got out of anything besides watching it.

Right. But like, do you have like a version of that where you first saw the UFC and thought this is what I need to be a part of? That's funny because the first time I saw UFC, I was 13, 14 years old. My dad was watching it. And I thought it was the most, I was like, what the, how are you watching that? I remember like, dude, I remember watching people get kicked in the stomachs and thinking, like, how does that not break, like, how does that not break your ribs?

Like, how does that not fucking, how do they, how do they, you? just take that and it was the most disgusting thing I couldn't watch it and that was like fuck I'm trying to think it was Chuck versus Tito I think it was I remember watching Dominic Cruz and Uriah Faber like those are the people that I remember

watching first it's crazy because I could fight you know Dominic Cruz is a potential matchup for me whether it's my next fight or next next next fight whenever it is it's crazy to think because I remember watching him so long ago before I even started fighting and now I

get a beat him up Eventually it's crazy. Right. Damn, you just reminded me even more that one time around that time, I met this girl and she was a fucking big UFC fan and Uriah Faber was fighting and she wanted to go watch it. And then after that, we went back to my house and she told me that she had herpes,

but then she gave me head anyway. Damn. So what does that mean? I didn't get herpes, so I felt pretty good about it. I mean, it was just like a fun memory. I haven't thought about that girl like 10 years. God damn.

But yeah, girls are a fucking distraction. aren't they? But how would you rate the way that women react to you as a fighter? They don't fucking know. Some do. There's something hardcore girl UFC fans that fucking like no. I mean even yesterday we at the mall or the other day we're at the mall and this this chick was married and she wasn't like attractive at all.

But she was freaking out. Her husband came with me. She said, hey, can my wife get a pick? She was going like this. Just like shaking. I couldn't believe it. But she had probably only seen me like in the cage looking like a, fucking character.

Right. Because that's what we look like when we're in the cage, the fucking 4K camera, like colorful tattoos, my hair. You just look at a character in a fucking video game or a movie. So she was tripping out. But, yeah, most girls seriously don't fucking, they have no idea. I feel like once they get accustomed to it, then they get it. Yeah.

Like, you know, I'm sure like you in the club right after the UFC fight is a different experience than like you at the club at a random time far away from that. 100%. No, yeah. Like in Vegas, right after the fight, we went out. and everyone knew the fights just happened. They knew I just beat that dude up. They definitely knew then.

But yeah, I mean, in Miami it was for the most part, so you're a rapper. It was fucking funny. But every fight that you get, do you just feel like more and more, does it feel like you have more and more pressure, or do you feel more and more confident that you're going to be the champion after every fight?

Because it feels like this most recent one was just another huge boost in terms of your clout in this whole thing. Yeah, dude. it's the more fucking people watching the more the brighter those fucking lights the better I'm performing dude I fucking eat that stuff up I fought three fights in a row no crowd I didn't have a problem performing with no crowd because I still it's a mission I got to go in there I'm training you know I'm preparing for eight weeks and I know what I

need to do but dude when like last fight team mobile arena 20,000 people sold out that walking out really motivated you dude it's just fucking It's a different, it's a drug that you can't replicate, dude. It's such a fucking high. Yeah. So sweet. Like those moments, like you knocking the dude, was Eddie with the mustache, you knocking him out and having there be nobody to cheer.

It was sad. But it's like, it's such epic footage in a way. You really get to hear his head bounce off the fucking ground. Yeah, and you can hear him snoring after. Yeah, it is. To his credit, he seemed totally fine like two minutes later. Right. I was thinking, I'm like, wow, this guy must be really fucking used to this.

Dude, but the thing about can cut. It's fucking... Have you had a concussion? Yes. Dude, they're the worst fucking... The worst. Some people get them worse than others. But I've had a couple concussions where I have to be in a room, lights off, completely

dark, can't look at your phone, can't look at TV, any sound hurts for days, dude. And it's the worst fucking feeling. Like in training or are you like talking after fights? I've had it, I haven't had my contender series fight. I don't know if you're familiar with that one. The one with Snoop Dog announcing and shit. Dude, that was the worst. training camp I had ever in my life.

I got concussed like two, three weeks before that fight, and I was wake up in the middle night, puking, like, just from getting hit hard and sparring. Two or three weeks before it. Dude, and I walked into the cage at 138 pounds, which is, so I weighed in at 136, and then I walked in at 138, which is fucking insane. Like, my last fight, I probably was 153, 154 walking into the cage, but I couldn't eat. My head hurt. It was a shitty camp.

And then for me to go out there and knock that guy out the way I did. It was, I was like, what the fuck? Like, something's... That's gonna be even bigger boost to confidence. Exactly. Like, I'm not the best version of myself and I still got this done. I'm like, I can go perform like that, feeling like that. In my every single fight, well, no.

My last four fights, dude, been going into the, into the octagon, no injuries, feeling just fucking good. And that's because I switched up a lot of things. I hired a nutritionist. He, uh, I do like a stool sample, blood sample, urine sample, uh, saliva sample. He looks at all my shit and fucking tells me what I need to be eating, what causes inflammation, what's going to help me perform the best. And then just my strength and condition, his name is Dan Garner.

And then my strength and conditioning coach Brandon Harris. My last like five fights, I've had just like a solid fucking team. And I go into the cage feeling like 100%, which is rare, dude. A lot of fighters don't go into the cage feeling good. I would say 99% of the people that go into the cage, they're dealing with something. Something that's fucked up. Whether they just ate too much after Wayans and they got fucking diarrhea. or they fucking rolled their ankle two weeks before the fight

and they haven't been able to run. Just something. Every single fighter in there probably dealing with something. But when you were dealing with that concussion, did you think about canceling the fight? Like how close were you to that decision? Because that's got to be like the most momentous decision for a fighter. Yeah.

I think thinking back on that now, I don't remember ever thinking like I should reschedule. It was just such a huge opportunity. It was like season one of Dana White's Contender Series. I go out there and knock this guy out or just win. I have a shot to get in the UFC. It's hard to get in the UFC. Like, it's not easy.

Oh, yeah. But I was so young. I don't remember ever thinking about pulling out. I don't remember exactly I was thinking, but I was confident going in there, but I was like gasped the fuck out. Even in that first round, like that fight, there was a couple seconds left in the round. I don't know how much longer.

But I was gassed the fuck out. If we would have made it into the second, third round, I don't even know if I would have been able to stand up. Right. Because I hadn't been able to train the diet. Everything was just so shit. But I don't ever remember thinking I should pull out. It was just too big of an opportunity.

It's just not in you. Yeah. I mean, even now, like, if something really bad happened, now I have security of money. I would pull out. If it was bad enough to where I'm like, if it was like that, now I'd pull out. I don't want to go fight some top, top level dude

and risk getting fucking more brain damage. Like, that's the number one thing. learned. Like I said, I've been trained for 10 years. I've had over 30 fights. So, so many fight camps. Like, I got to take care of my brain. That's the number fucking one thing, especially having a baby now. Got a fucking family. I got to take care of my brain more than anything. Yeah. Man, I keep showing that Eddie knockout to people. Like people who, you know, I'm like, I'm interviewing this fucking UFC dude. He's so sick. And they don't know what I'm talking about. So I just show him that fight because it's like a 30 second clip on YouTube. And it's so gnarly.

It's just everybody gets the idea. That sequence, the whole sequence is so sick. Just that little tiny faint. Oh. Okay. I was thinking, like you couldn't have told someone you were going to do that two seconds before you did it, right? Like, you have this engraved in your brain, but like the opportunity where you knew that that would be a good combo to throw, like that really kind of comes about completely unthinkingly. And that's something I find really fascinating.

Yeah, it's just literally, like I feel like I feel like I. have a really good, it's a skill you can build for letting go. Like once I get in that cage, I'm fucking free, dude. And I think you can see that in my fights. I'm free. I'm flowing. There's not, there's, I'm not, I'm not thinking in there. I'm not, oh, should I do this? Should I do that? What just happened? I'm not thinking at all. There's zero thoughts going through my mind. I'm literally just free, flowing, and fucking just whatever's happening is happening. I'm not thinking about what's happening. So yeah, two seconds before that, I didn't know I was going to throw that. I mean, looking back at that fight, I watched it a ton, a ton, I always

watch all my fights, but I threw that same little combo at the beginning of the fight and I barely missed him. Like that same little combo. But yeah, it just happens. It's fucking nuts. Like when you made your UFC debut, were you on edge a bit

compared to how you feel now going into fights where you have so much of a reason to feel confident going in? Yeah, that's a good question. I remember going into my debut. I fought a kid named Terry on Ware. I definitely wasn't as confident as I am now because I've knocked out a good amount of people since then

but even in that fight leading up to it I had knocked out a fucking a lot of people like I'd just come off that contender series fight so I'd just knock that dude out I thought for sure I was gonna knock this dude out but for whatever reason dude I was eating a vegan diet for six months before that fight I'm like I might as well try it

I fucking watch some stupid ass documentary on Netflix and I'm like I'm a vegan and even saying it back now I'm like god that fucking sounds stupid But I ate a vegan diet and even looking at my body in that fight. I was just, I wasn't muscular. I didn't have that pop. I didn't have enough power. But I was confident.

But right now I'm so, yeah, I'm fucking super confident. Yeah, how would you describe the negative side effects of the vegan thing, which I'm completely in the same position as you? I was vegan when I was like 18 for like three, four years. And my body just did not heal the same way. Yeah, I think initially people are like, oh, I feel so good because they quit eating so much shit. And then after a couple weeks, months, whatever, you're not getting the fucking protein and stuff you need. And I don't know, I'm not a fucking expert in it, but I just don't think you get enough nutrients.

And I'm sure you can supplement for it and all that. But I enjoy eating meat. I feel like it's fucking makes me feel way stronger, especially after lifting. Yeah, I think, I think. But everyone's so different. Everyone's inside. They're so different. people fucking digest differently but for me eating meats definitely has to have to yeah no I'm

exactly the same I find it's people that they say it all the time it just drives me crazy I have some friends though who like their doctors have basically told them that they have to like eat dramatically less you know red meat and and really most meats in general and that scares me because I honestly have a hard time imagining and getting like satisfied from eating without there being some kind of meat as the centerpiece of whatever I'm eating, you know? I got to eat a fucking salad, but I'm like aiming for the pieces of chicken and then get the vegetables around them

in that one bite. That's the meal. Yeah, dude, that would suck. I think the quality of meat, too, there's just such shit. You can go to fucking McDonald's and get a nasty ass beef patty. That's probably like 10% beef and fucking 90% fucking plastic. Or you can go get some 100% grass-fed

beef and quality shit that your body will digest way better. So the quality of meat fucking affects that a lot. You know what's one thing I really love about you as a fighter? Never celebrating. That is so badass, bro. Are you adding a little bit?

But the walkoff, the Eddie one was so clean. The walkoff, what was it? The walkoff's clean when you just fucking doping. That was the most gangster thing I ever seen. It was. What the fuck is wrong with this dude? He looks like a fucking killer. Just like that, too easy.

No, my new thing now is just a little jump shot. I did it the last, almost all made a fight, two fights ago, and then this last fight, hit a little jump shot. Sons were in the fucking chipper lost. But just a little jump shot, fucking, but the walkoffs are clean. No celebration, they're clean. I used to watch Fador all the time. I don't know if you remember him, but he was like the greatest U.S. or an MMA fighter who never fought in the UFC possibly.

And that always to me, like, when we talk about character building, I was like, that, the fact that he doesn't even put his fucking hands in the air, just solidified. my mind with him being like a Russian sociopath like murderer. Dude, Russians. It's crazy. The Russians fucking taken over. Yeah. Like Habib, um, Islam Islam, the

Machchev, I think. Right. Like these, dude, the Russians are fucking gangsters. They're tough. They're always a tough fight. I want to fight. The top dude in the division right now, uh, he's number one right now. Peter yawn. Yeah. He's Russian. I. Dude, I want to fight Peter in Russia next year. You want to be the bad guy.

I do, but I feel like I can spin it to where I don't, I feel like, I don't know. We'll see how it plays out, but dude, Peter and Russia would be legendary. Really? It would be fucking legendary. Russia would be kind of scary. That's a tough culture in general. I went out there like maybe 10 years ago on this BMX trip. And I mean, honestly, it was great, but like it is like a very, very, like, serious culture.

Dude, well, their religion, right, too? Muslims. Are there a lot of Muslims in Russia? I don't know. Maybe. I don't think they're allowed to have a fucking religion Isn't Putin not really okay though? Oh yeah, Putin just owns them, huh?

That shit's crazy over there. And they all hate him but they can't say anything about it. Allegedly. They're all terrified. Like they honestly like, it's weird being in a place and they've warned me before I went there. Like if a girl's acting like she's really into you, don't believe it.

Trying to get the fuck out. They're all trying to get out of there. And you can't even imagine like a whole country where everybody wants to leave. I'd get suckered right in. I'd be like, no, I think it's genuine. I think she likes me. Yeah.

No, I was kind of like that too. And then I met this girl and we were kicking it for weeks and then we kept talking afterwards. And then at a certain point I was like, what the fuck am I doing? I want to smash some Russian biscuits. Have you? Just that one actually. God, dude. Her accents are fucking Russian would be my number one that I would want to smash.

But the one thing I learned from her is that it's really, really pointless and stupid to be trying to date somebody who doesn't have mastery of the English language. Yeah. Underrated. That would be fucking tough. Like even like like like say you meet a girl at the bar and she's kind of a dumbass and you're trying to talk to her. That that's tough. Yeah. They like a lot of these girls have like a couple hundred words at their disposal.

Like we take it for granted that like what we're doing right now is actually like very, very difficult for 99% of people on earth. I don't know, probably way more than that speak English. But yeah. Yeah, no, for real. That would be tough. Jake's not. I mean, it's hard enough to talk to a girl in English. Yeah.

A lot of times. Russian. For sure. Yeah, so like, I have to ask, like, when you were on your break, injury-wise, how long actually were you injured and how hard was that for you to deal with mentally? I was out. I fought March 7th, 2018, and then I fought March 3rd, 2020. Or no, I think it was March 3rd, and then I fought March 7th.

So it was over two years. I had a Liz Frank surgery in my right foot when I fought Andre's soccer mom at UFC 222, and my foot snapped with three minutes left in the fight and the kid took me down like a fucking idiot Yeah, yeah, that was crazy That was crazy Do you think that he just I think was out of it enough?

I dropped him in the first round I was fucking beating his ass for 12 minutes of the fight He was probably concussed He was probably like, okay, I'm just getting pieced up I don't think he hit me once Yeah, because you beat his out so bad at one point That he couldn't even find his corner He was fucking stumbling around

So I think he was just concussed And then he had the opportunity to take me down because in his mind he's probably like okay i can't i mean even on one foot i was fucking hopping and slapping him up so he took me down um then the fight ended up playing out and i the fucking doctor came in and like squeezed the top of my foot where it snapped uh like a fucking idiot but so that surgery was like a pretty major surgery it used like it could potentially be a career-ending surgery for some people it's called liz frank and uh that fucking thing took literally two years

it still fucking gives me problems or like it'll still hurt but dude that fucking surgery sucks so bad the whole the whole process of it sucked like there's still scar tissue in there that I probably didn't get rubbed out enough through physical therapy that still fucks with me and then I had a right

labrum surgery in my hip which had been torn for two fights so my UFC debut and that that fight where I broke my foot my labrum had already been torn which is, it depends how bad the tear is. You could have a small tear like I had and still be able to perform. But dude, every time I ran, it just was the worst pain.

But after that fight, it was torn enough to where I was like, okay, I need to get surgery. So I had like back-to-back surgeries. Right. But after I felt like a fucking new human, I was like, holy shit, it felt so much better. Were you kind of like tormented during that time just thinking about like what if?

What if this doesn't fucking work? Yeah, a little bit. It was like, fuck. I was 20, what was like, 22? 22 years, no. Yeah, 22 years old. So I was like, I'm so fucking young right now. I knew I'm gonna, I'm gonna fight till I'm 35, 36.

Like, that's the plan. So I was like, I still have a long fucking time. Right. But dude, I literally would just listen to podcast. Like, just listen to a podcast, read fucking journal. Just try to keep my mind on the right path. Like still, what do I got to do today that's going to help me? Just every day I got to do something that's going to benefit me, whether it was reading,

journaling, because fucking when you're laid up with a boot on, you can't do much, can't drive anywhere. And also gaming. Fucking Fortnite was popping up. At that time, I was fucking, I could play Fortnite eight hours a day, no problem at that time. It was nine hours. And I was streaming on Twitch.

So I was like, okay, I'm making a little bit of money. I wasn't popping on Twitch like I am right now compared to back then. But I was gaming. That helped a lot. Fuck trying to just keep my mind right. But yeah, two years was a long fucking time, dude, especially because when I was 16, 17, 18, 19, 2021, I was fighting. four or five times a year.

Like always had something coming up. Always had that like goal. I need to eat good for this. I need to do like. I always had that. And then those two years it was a fucking trip. But now looking back, I'm like,

damn, that shit flew. Yeah. Because when you talk about like starting businesses adjacent to the fighting thing, like did the Twitch stuff and the podcasting? Was that stuff that like might not have come around if it wasn't for the fact that you had a bunch of downtime?

Um, I think I was, no, probably not because I was streaming before that. And then the podcast, I do it with my, with my coach, my best friend, Tim Welch. And he was always the one pushing the podcast.

I'm like, dude, I got other shit. I'm down to fucking sit there and talk every once a week. So he was the kind of the one that was like built the podcast, put it on Apple, got the cameras, figured all that shit out. And I would just show up and talk. But now we're 160-some episodes in. We do it every week. We do it for a couple years.

And it's, you know, we're making money. We got sponsors, all that shit. So, you know, that I think would have just happened just because Tim wanted to make it happen. Streaming is just something I've fucking love gaming. Dude, I fucking gaming's so fun for me Playing with the boys Like hopping on putting the headset on and just going into a virtual fucking Battleground and hanging out with the boys

That shit was just so fun to me How many viewers do you get? Right now I've been popping off right after the fight It's always way more I had a thousand for a couple days Now it's back down like 500 400 400 500 But dude yeah gaming Just streaming in general

So much more fun than just gaming like without a stream Not because you're just making money but just you do something sick, you look over the chat, they're like, wow, like it's just fucking fun. Do you ever fuck around? I stream online poker. I play all these tournaments and shit, and that's fucking. It's stressful?

It kind of is, but I really like the feeling of being on stream because of the fact that it forces me to try to like really verbalize my decisions and not just like sort of, like when you're playing poker, it's kind of like you can just allow yourself to be like, fuck it, let's gamble. But like when I sit in there and I know that there's people watching, that are going to tell me if I fuck up that it's just like that much more pressure for me to play well

and I find like I kind of learn a lot more when I'm doing that. But poker is a weird thing. What do you play? Texas Hold'em on America's card room shout out to them. Used code no jumper. Dude, Texas,

I haven't played that in so long, but I was telling my buddies back in Arizona. I'm like, we have to have a fucking poker night, dude. We have to have a poker night because that shit would be so fun. Oh, yeah. We got to make the hack.

I could get the site to fuck with you if you wanted to do anything for sure. They would fuck with you for sure. You can play in America. There's the only set you can play them in America. Really? Damn. You like play poker or not online ever?

Sometimes, but usually like from my perspective, it's like I don't really want to play poker unless I'm either like, unless I can do something else at the same time. Because a lot of times I'll play poker for eight hours, but I'm also like listening to hella podcast and just like getting so much more like ready for the interviews that I have the next week versus like if I just go to the casino and play, it just feels like kind of a waste of time. So I like going and playing these games where they live stream it from the casino. So because then I feel like I'm like sort of building more of a name for myself in the poker world and shit. When you play poker online, are you playing with random people or buddies?

Yeah. But the other day actually I played this game where we all put it 20,000 and the other people. The other people were like Logan Paul, Mr. Bees. All people, yeah, who definitely like 20,000 means less to them than it means to me. Yeah, they're like, I heard Logan say like, yeah, I lost 20,000 on his podcast. Like it was no big deal. Because it wasn't being recorded, so they were just talking about their deals and stuff. And like, let me tell you, if I've ever, like, felt comfortable money-wise,

hearing the fucking bags that they bring in, I was just like, all right, like, I just cannot stop grinding because these dudes, it's fucked up how much they're getting. Yeah, no, that is crazy. Ninja's probably popping the most at all, those guys. I wonder. Yeah, but Mr. Beast and Logan Paul, KSI, Jesus Christ. They're all killing it. Crazy.

Yeah, Mr. B is fucking. Steve, big Steve, Steve will do it He's going crazy too You said video of him buying all Or there's the video that you were in Yeah, he bought you one too I've been rocking it He gave me chain too

Steve's man That was crazy because he was at the fights in Vegas Right And I would I like blacked out for the first time That night after my fight And I messaged him on Instagram Sent him two videos

I've no idea what the fuck I said But he's like you're the man You want to come out and film Hang out with six in Miami That next week And I was like what the hell yeah That sounds so fun So that was the first time I

met him. Super Knight. He's 22. 22 years old. He's a young kid. Newly single. Newly single. Steve,

Steve will do it LLC. Dude, that, yeah, he's a fucking man. Steve's cool, cool dude. Right.

No, he's sick. I can't believe we give so much shit away. That's what I was thinking. I'm like, bro, if you can buy half a million dollars

with a jewelry for your friends, like how much does that mean that you're bringing in? You feel comfortable doing that. I'm like, that's amazing, but I'm also just, but he keeps saying, too,

like, he's like kind of worried, like what his mom was going to say. I know he's always saying, Mom, sorry, fuck you. Like, funny, though. And that's what I realized, like, I'm his mom in this situation

because I'm sitting there just being like, oh, Steve, I don't know if this is a good idea. I know. I don't know if you bought four Tesla's this week. You already, were you already, like, a Nuck Boys fan before you met him and shit? I wasn't, I didn't really watch it too much. It's funny because I started actually watching

Steve will do it videos, that fight camp. Like a couple weeks out from that, all fight week, Tim and I, we're just chilling at the hotel. We're quarantined in Vegas. Dude, it was funny.

We watched so many of those videos, and then he was going to, I don't even know if I knew he was going to be there or not. I knew the Nelke boys and Steve, they go to the fight. I don't know if he's going to be at that one specifically. Dana's got a huge heart on for him. Who? Dana just has a huge heart on for him. Dude, we FaceTime Dana every night. He doesn't seem like it really likes anybody, but he fucking loves those dudes.

And we call it, Steve would call him every night. He's like, make sure you don't hurt him. Don't hurt O'Malley. I like four selfies from me and Steve to Dana. Just fucking drunk as shit. Well, side note, does that feel weird that somebody like Dana White is clearly like very invested in your career, like you becoming a big star and you not going on a losing streak is like one of the better things that could happen for the UFC.

Like if they're able to build you up to Conner's level, then that's the best case scenario for them. Dude, the UFC is an entertainment business, 51% of 49% fighting business. It's an, dude, they're, they're an entertainment business. Dude, they know what they're doing. They know how to build stars. They built Connor, Ronda, um, Izzy. Like, yeah, I mean, it's,

it is good, but it's, yeah, I don't know. I'd rather be on the good side than the bad side. If you don't like people, he don't give a fuck. He'll tell you he doesn't like you. He'll fucking... But like you must, at least in the comments or whatever, you must get accused of them sort of being, like, favoriting you. Would you say that that's true?

And does it feel like that in your actual life? I feel like a lot of people want me to fight someone ranked. And that's the plan. I've never like I picked that last fight when someone pulled out. They sent me a list of a couple people and I picked the hardest dude on there. But then he said he couldn't make

weight. So it I don't know what it's hard to say. Next fight a lot of people want me to fight someone ranked. They wanted me to fight someone ranked last fight. I was supposed to fight Louis Smolka. For me, I have a contract to fight

a certain amount of fights and I'm going to get paid a certain amount of money whether I fight Louis Smolka the dude I was supposed to fight or I fight Peter Yon the number one bantam weight in the UFC I get paid the same I'm gonna fight this dude and I'm gonna fight this dude

on a Connor McGregor paper view because you just keep getting better too I just keep getting better I'm gonna keep improving like Chale Cells Sounden always says fight the worst dude on the highest on the highest part of the card a lot of a lot of bantam weights

and just people in the UFC they definitely hate and it comes from jealousy like I'm getting way more eyeballs than them for whatever. I'm performing there, dude. You go and watch some of these guys perform. You literally pick up your phone and start surfing. You're just not, you don't give a fuck what they're doing.

I'm fighting. You're fucking, I had Beeb standing up in the fucking, like, I watched my fight back all the time. It was sweet to see you at the end of my fight, like the last 30 seconds, Bieber was standing up watching. I'm like, that's fucking entertainment. That's what I do. That's why I get paid, what I get paid.

That's why I'm on these. in this position it ultimately comes down to my performances but the branding shit matters too because like you you kind of feel for some of the dudes or like Brazilian or whatever where it's just going to be so much harder for them to really like form a bond with the audience because they don't speak English that well or whatever you know some fighters just aren't really out spectacular you know and they don't care to be some fighters don't care they just they literally just want a fucking fight they just want to train fight they don't really give a fuck about interviews but I mean that you're not going to get paid

you're not going to make as much you're not going to be able to sell merch you're not going to be able to stream on Twitch and having people that give a fuck about what you're doing outside the UFC or even in the UFC some like there's plenty of people in the UFC that don't no one really gives a fuck about so but for me going before I even got into the UFC I wanted to be an entertainer yeah so I fucking I'll eat it all up it's interesting when you say that the USC's 51%

of uh entertainment company and 49% like an athletic organization because i've always respected that so much about dana that there's been like so many like easy routes that he could have took towards like making huge fights happen to the uc over the years and yeah there's definitely been people that he's sort of like fast i'm talking about brock lesnar that they fast tracks into a position to get a title fight and shit but for the most part i feel like they exercise like pretty amazing discretion at treating the fights like a serious thing and not, you know, wanting to just put like some fucking monster against some pussy-ass dude so he's just going to get the crazy knockout or whatever like the easy route would be. It feels like they more often than not don't

take that. I agree. No, I agree. I think, yeah, they make good fucking fights. Dana's a smart, smart, smart motherfucker and they know exactly what they're doing. They have their matchmakers, Sean Shelby, McManard. The UFCs obviously knows what the fuck they're doing. They're their billion dollar company. But then it's super fascinating to see the rise of like YouTube boxing where it's the total opposite dynamic of let's put together some fights that are going to get a show a lot of eyeballs and who gives a fuck about like who's the best or treating it like something that needs to have integrity.

They're kind of showing that like the total opposite approach is also viable. Yeah, 100%. There's less fights you can make that route though. Because are you invested in, were you invested in the Jake Paul Ben Ashrafite? Did you watch? I watched it, but I, you know, I'm friends with Jake. I really thought he was going to get his ass beat when he didn't. I was, you know, happy for him.

But, you know, I don't really like, I didn't feel that invested in it per se. Are you watching Jake versus Tyron? Tyrone? I'll definitely watch that. Yeah, to be honest, I probably tuned into pretty much all these, like, influencer fights. For me, like, those fights, like, Jake versus Ben, I was so much more interested and intrigued than 99% of the UFC fights. Like, I'd rather, unless it's a Connor fight, like, you know, like, you're not. a Conner fight, like a Diaz fight, unless it's a huge fight, or it's one of my buddies,

I don't really watch the UFC too much. I don't get too excited. I mean, same with Belator. Like, I like watching exciting fights that are, that are, like, interested in, like, what the fuck? And even Logan v. Floyd. I was sitting on my fucking chair, like, sweat and like, what the fuck, this is crazy. Yeah. Jake versus Ben, Jake versus Tyron, I'm going to go to that. It's going to be fucking sweet. For whatever reason, I'm just super entertained by those. And I love how much shit Jake talks. Yeah. Because it's like, it makes that fight so much more interesting.

From your perspective as somebody who's obviously got a lot of experience with striking and stuff, how do you feel when you watch Jake Paul? Do you feel like he really is getting like to be that good? It's kind of like our perspective of him is colored by the fact that we haven't seen him take an L, so we're all kind of like, fuck, this guy's dope, but a lot of us aren't necessarily experts. Yeah, no, Jake, I'm definitely buddies with Jake. I wish I could watch him spar against a professional.

boxer that I knew and could get a really good idea of his skill level. Going into the Ben Askeran fight, I'm like, I know for a fact, Ben Ascern can't box. Like, you just look at him, hit Mitch, you look at him. He's never been a boxer. He's a wrestler. So when he knocked out Ben, I was like, okay, that just proves to me that Jake can box and Ben Askron can't fucking box. This fight, Jake versus Woodley, will prove a lot.

Woodley can fucking box. He's not a high-level black belt boxer. He's a wrestler that knows how to box, and he's knocked people out in the UFC, so I think this fight will definitely prove if Jake... Jake's improving a lot. He's a young kid. He's athletic.

He's taking it fucking serious, and he's improving a lot. So I'm excited to see this fight and how it goes down. Obviously, like, your career path is already, like, pretty set out in front of you. Like, you know what you're trying to do. You want to be a UFC champion. but if you maybe were at a different point in your career, could you see yourself being interested in doing those kind of

influencer fights where maybe the bag is 10 times bigger? But then you're not fighting like the top level competition. That's a good question. I mean that I have a couple of fights on my contract left in the UFC. I plan on staying with the UFC. They've been nothing good for me. But we'll see what if there's $10, $20 million bags out there being offered. You know, we'll see.

UFC don't pay you like that. They just don't. Eventually I'll get to a point where I'm Connor level and I can make that money. But dude, I have to become champion. I have to defend the belt. Probably move up. I have to win some big fucking fights

to make that kind of money. But also with winning the fights, even just winning that last fight, that makes the merch go up. It makes all the sponsor money go up. So I am making good money from the UFC because they give me that platform to be able to get all the eyeballs

for everything else. So I'm not too worried about it. But if you want to make millions, it's in boxing right now. It's in boxing. Did you see Bryce Hall versus Austin McBroom? Yeah, I watched that. I didn't watch it live. Fuck, what was I doing?

I don't even remember what I was doing. Was there another fight on that night or something? But yeah, I think that was a UFC fight that night, wasn't there? But I went back and rewatched it. Austin looked pretty good. Yeah. It's funny, dude. It's so funny how delusional.

not those two in particular, just delusional males are when it comes to fighting. If they've never had their ass whoop before, they think that, they think fighting something totally different. They have this completely made up story in their head that they think they can whoop someone's ass. Right. And then it comes into it and you 20 seconds into a fight and you're fucking gassed out. That's the one thing that so many dudes will just allow themselves to be fucking deluded about. They'll just tell themselves lies about like, oh, if so and so did this, I would fuck him up. And it's like, you know, it doesn't seem like there's any attempt to sort of tether that to reality, which is fascinating.

And I probably do it too. I'll probably sat there and told my girl, like, if that fucking dude sits on me, I'll beat his. No actual consideration of how I would do in that fight. Right. How would you do? Yeah, that's funny. I see that all the time, dude, people talk of shit. Even like, it's like how would, if someone says, a lot of people say, too, like, I'll just black out and beat his ass like, how.

would you be to that? Like, what would you do? And blacking out is probably not a great. Definitely not a good idea. Like for me, if I'm fighting somebody, I would rather them be very upset, angry, emotional, wanting them to fight me. That's what Connor did so well, especially with Jose Aldo. God, I'm so aggressive, so mad, so angry.

You make some mistake. Fucking, you know, that taps your cardio too. Cardio is king in this sport. You have to have good cardio. You could be as skilled as you want in the first round, but you gas out in the second round your skills aren't there and your cardio's i mean if your cardio's not there your skills are going to drop drop drop drop drop so cardio is fucking king in this sport um and that's another thing people don't even think about like random people that'll get in a street fight or something like

dude you'll be gassed out heart rate 200 on your knees in a minute what would it take to make you get in a street fight at this point knowing that it's probably a pretty bad career move yeah very bad uh you also know that you're very capable What would it take? Someone trying to jack my watch. Disrespect you in front of your kid? Yeah. That's got to be one.

Elena, like, she's so young. I feel like someone that I would look at whoever's disrespecting me in front of my kid. Like, I would look at them as just like, you're retarded. Like, what do you do? Like, it would take a lot for me to actually physically want to do anything to someone just because I, I don't know, I just would look at that person as like so stupid. I don't know. I definitely wouldn't want to hurt anybody in the streets. If I did get in a street fight, I'd probably teep kick,

that little sternum kick I'd throw right to their sternum, and it'd probably make them fold over. Yeah. But I definitely would want to hurt. It's nice. It's a nice way to take care of it from a distance. Yeah, long kick, doesn't hurt his face. I don't want to kill anybody.

But yeah, a street fight, I can't see myself getting in one. I got a friend of mine who is, you know, regular guy, but takes a lot of pride and knock him motherfuckers out, and I've seen him knock a lot of fucking people out throughout my life, including, like, me looking out the window of my house and seeing, like, a 40-year-old dude laid out in the street because he almost hit him with his car riding his bike, and my homie just, boom, and just fucking knocks him out in the street.

But he was telling me a story, and this is, like, I've never heard, I've never heard a story that basically was, like, him getting disrespected and then just letting it go. And he told me that he was, like, at the beach, and this dude who was, like, clearly a gangbanger, like, came up to him while he was with his, like, 4-year-old and fully tried to punk him. I forget exactly what he said or did,

but he told me, he's like, yeah, I just walked away. Like, I'm not going to fucking get clapped in front of my kid. I'm not going to, like, let this. This situation just seems so obviously bad that he turned his pride off for once in his fucking life and just let it go. And I was like, I'm kind of proud of you. Dude, yeah, that's the bigger man right there.

That's the bigger person being able to walk away. That's a skill, too, fucking being able to just, you know, your ego, you want to fucking, especially if you knock people out, And you know you can knock people out to be able to go, all right, we're not going to, it's a good skill to have. But like when you're out of like the club or the bar and like you're surrounded by other professional fighters, does it feel like the odds of anyone getting into a fighter like

extremely low or kind of higher? That's a good question. I don't, I've never really partied with a bunch of fighters. Keep my circle real small for the most part. Every time I've been drunk, dude, I just want to fucking dance. call it dancing i don't know wiggle mostly uh just fucking fucking stumble around drunk just i like going up to everybody just you have a good time just fucking screaming just i'm a happy happy fucking drunk so i don't even think about fighting or

think about if i'm in danger i'm sure if something happened i need to fucking bust someone up real quick i'd be able to right but i've never even when i'm drunk dude i'm just making sure everyone's having a good fucking time yeah no that's definitely you drink much i used to drink a lot and like do drugs and shit, but now at this, I haven't really been drunk in probably like three years. Damn, really, three years. That's, dude, fuck. Because if you, yeah, what was the craziest drugs you done?

Meth. Meth? Dude, I feel like. Just one time this girl, we were already drunk as fuck. And she's like, you want to do this? I'd have probably done it too. I thought it was Molly. And then she's like, no, it's, I forget what she called it.

But she's like, it'll make sex really amazing. That's all I had to hear. I was go. That'd have fucking got me in there, too. She wasn't lying, anyway. Was it crazy? I were up for, like, my, my homie, I had to, like, host this BMX contest, like, yelling over the megaphone or whatever, like, 10 in the morning.

And me and her, like, get home and start fucking. And my homie, like, banged on my door. And I'm like, yo, like, I'm going to go to sleep for a little bit. And I'll be good. He's like, bro, it's 9.30. Oh, shit. And I had just been completely, like, in the zone fucking that whole night with no clue how much time had passed.

Dude. That's when I really realized how dangerous of a drive. that's that's pure just being in the moment though it's crazy how some drugs just put you in the moment drugs are fucking fun but they're dangerous and what I've what I've kind of like you do drugs and you have all those happy times I feel like with those come like the like depressive like you have those ups and then after you've got to have those downs

that's how the fucking world works so let's least mine those ups and downs but like when I go those training highs after jiu jitsu after a hard workout like I have those highs but after it's more of those like it's more peaceful So it's like a different high. It's a similar high, but without a come down. My favorite thing about Jiu-Jitsu when I was doing it was just that feeling of leaving the gym and literally every single part of your body is just lit the fuck up.

Did you do ghee? Yeah. Just pure soreness, just like radiating out of me. And I would have to just go home and like lay down at like 7 p.m. And just not be able to do any. That was the best. It really is. Just peace, dude.

I swear to God. I have a cold plunge at home. Just dope ass. And that makes a big difference? I do it 100%. I think because I do it every night. I do three minutes every night. When I'm in camp, the water will be 38, 39 degrees.

When I'm out of camp, I'll have it like 47, 48, 49. It's just a little bit more easy to get in and sit for three minutes. But, dude, after a hard jiu-jitsu and your hands hurt and everything aches, you lay in that thing and get out. My sleep, I track my sleep every night too. My sleep is way better, dude. Way fucking better. Definitely. Yeah.

I mean, when I think about party and stuff, it's like it was great for all those years, but then I just started to hit this point where I would just get fucking hung over for like a day and a half and that was when I was just like dude fuck this shit because I used to be out like fucking drinking like crazy doing Coke

and then we wake up at 10 in the morning and go ride bikes for like 10 fucking hours in the van and it didn't really affect me and then like I'm 37 now I mean at a certain point it just started to really fuck me up I think I enjoy the partying so much after a fight because I'm celebrating

it's like okay I fucking just did what I did like won it was a lot of hard work now i can let loose i can just not give a fuck for a little bit so when i go out i just fucking can i just like to go out and go hard now like we're in la this weekend i brought my baby and danny we're here so i'm definitely not going out but uh it's good to have the because if we have the baby around it's like obviously i'm not going to fucking go out and party so it's nice but when i'm out in miami by myself shit's fun i still haven't even like gone out and like really

partied since I had the kid, which is something that I'm like kind of looking forward to, but also like kind of just feels weird, like a different level of pressure. Like a little bit. You know, I was just like, because I know my kids waking me up at like six in the morning. Dude, shit. Isn't that the best other waking up? Oh, yeah. Usually pretty much every morning Elena wakes up at 637, stuff.

Whatever time she wakes up, wakes me up, I take Elaine out, take her outside, change your diaper, whatever, and Danny gets to sleep for a couple extra hours because Elaine will wake up in the middle of night and want boobs. and Danny's sleeps gets interrupted. That's the same thing I bring her in the garage while I'm working out in the morning and shit. The mornings are the best, aren't they with them? They're just fucking fun.

You got a little, you lift weights in your garage? Yeah. Nice. But I bring my kid out and put her in her little thing and she just sort of like wanders around and kisses it. Observes. It's crazy. They're just constantly.

Their eyes are so big just looking at shit. It's fucking tripping. I still lie to myself every day. Like if I have to work out at 8 and I'm like setting my alarm for 7.30 And just knowing that there's no way I'm sleeping until 730. You wish, huh? It seems like a great idea, but it's not very realistic.

I know. Especially once they're up, they're up. It's not like, I just go back to sleep. It's like, no, you're fucking up. They're pulling my hair. Oh, God. You having long hair. That must be worse.

Dude, on the plane here, I fell asleep like on Danny's lap and Elaine was sleeping. And like right when I was about to fall asleep, she just fucking yanks it. Yeah. I was like, oh, you're fucking cute. Yeah. Like anyone else on earth, if they were to like wake me up necessarily in the morning, I would be like, what the fuck you? Like, I want to kill you.

Get the fuck away from me. But then with a kid, it's like, they're waking you up, but they're just radiating cuteness at you. You can't do anything, but just be like, ah, all right. Yeah, four hours sleep. Fuck it. What time you usually go to bed? I try to go bed at, like, midnight and then wake up. What do you do?

What do you do so late? Like, from, like, from, like, nine to midnight. What are you doing? I mean, usually I'm, like, here until, like, eight. Sort of, like, eight, nine. And I try to just, like, really, just, like, zone the fuck out and just watch whatever I'm watching on YouTube. usually like poker tournaments or a lot of times I have to get ready for interviews so it's like I'll do six hours of interviews here and then I go home and I'm like post up on the couch roll a blunt and it's like

I'm immediately back into watching other interviews to get ready for my interviews which sometimes that's what it really feels like I'm burning the candle at both ends like I can't have my mind thinking about interviewing all day and then preparing for the more more interviews after that but that's actually what I'm doing and I just it's not that bad I was just try to like think like you know Could be working construction. Then I have to then think about the money to like remind myself like this is not like a normal amount of money. Like I asked my mom this morning. I saw her.

I was like, how broke were we when we were kids? And she confirmed that we were really, really broke. So that like that kind of thing like really grounds me to like not take anything for granted. Dude, fuck yeah. Especially being able to podcast. It's like, dude, you see people waking up 7 a.m. going to construction jobs for 8, 9, 10 hours. You drive past them on the road. I'm just like, fuck, dude, if I ever bitch about anything, I'm the biggest pussy in the fucking world because my life is so fucking easy compared to 99% of people.

I think about that all the time. That like most people are stuck working a lot for an amount of money they're not happy with and they don't like what they're doing. It's like, yeah, I'm working a lot, but I'm being rewarded well, building something and I'm actually really passionate about it. So I just like always try to bring myself back to reality anytime I'm feeling like pushed over the edge. needs to be like a daily reminder too. Yeah. Because you can go fucking while without thinking like that. It's important, I feel like it's important to think like that to have those fucking

thoughts, be like, oh shit. Life's pretty good. There's a lot of other people that literally changed their lives to live my life. But it's like a good reminder daily to just be grateful, huh? Yeah, because I mean, I see rappers all the time who might, you know, like, cancel the show where they're supposed to be getting paid 50 grand and they just don't feel like it. Or they're like, you know, like, they cancel the show. It's like, I mean, that to me is like, I never want to like start thinking that 50,000 is not worth going hard for, even if I've got a lot of money in the bank.

You just, to me, that's like a place that I just like never want to get to, you know? Yeah. Dude, perform. Rappers are so lucky to how they can perform, dude. Because for me, like I said, I love performing. I love entertaining. I can only do it three, four times a year. Max, four times a year. Like, I probably won't fight more than four.

Three seems to like three was last year. I'll probably have three this year. like three seems to be the, but dude, these guys can go perform on the rolling loud and then go fucking perform the next weekend somewhere else.

Like that's so fucking sweet. It's fun watching people perform that enjoy performing. It's fucking sweet. But it's weird too because it's like the performing is like the immediate way to get paid.

But then in reality like staying home and being in the studio and just recording all the time is like that's like a completely separate side hustle and you have to be managing both of those things at the same time and it's really hard. But there's been some people that have had creative solutions.

Like I always think of a little Wayne who had two tour buses, one to sleep on and one to record on while he was on the road, which I was like, that's gangster. That's some rich shit right there. That's fucking crazy. Yeah, that creative process for musicians and rappers are so crazy. I would love to go on tour with someone and just see like, because they go, they'll fucking perform in this day. And then the next night, they'll be in another state, right? Yeah. He's taking jets, fucking places.

It's weird because the only times I've ever been on tour of rappers was like in a 15 passenger van. like people basically like sleeping on each other like little pump's fucking head on my shoulders sleeping and shit like when i think about when i see like rappers who are like really on some rich shit taking private jets or having like super nice buses and shit i'm like that seems pretty dope dude seems like it would be easy that seems so sweet yeah i would love to go on going to tour with people just fucking follow them and watch what they do i think when me and tom first he was living with me when we first i think we were watching little pomp and your vlogs. I think that's when we figured like, what was that five years ago? Yeah. Four or five years ago, whatever was. There was a while where like people would just on the street be like, you're a little pump's friend. Like before I had the whole no jumber identity fully built out, I was a little pump's friend for a while. That was cool. How's he? Just a normal little dude? Yeah, I don't know. How tall is he? Five four, five five? He's a little guy. And he probably could have been a bigger guy if he didn't do all those drugs when he was a little

kid. God, because he's still fucking young, right? Yeah. 20 something? I always just wonder that. It fucking... We would have grown a couple inches. You know, like, sometimes I see these dudes, and I'm like, would they have been bigger if they weren't popping all these zans when they were little kids? Dude, God, that...

Yeah, that's fuck sad. Or you vape? You have a vape or no. I smoke blunts and eat edibles. Yeah. Actually, shout out to these 2020 future strips. We've got to gift you some of these because these things...

Before your next camp, you got to make sure you experiment with these and let us know how to go. Usually for weed in camp, I usually cut about 14 days out. Oh, that's all you need. Yeah, well, now in Vegas. I could smoke the day before the fight.

They say, just don't show up high. They're completely new now. But for me, that two weeks, just cutting it out, I feel way more clear-headed. And every time I do, like, a weed break, I always feel so fucking good. I'm like, clear-headed, everything feels good. And I take one puff, and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's what I'm going.

It's fucking, it's so hard not to. And it's like, what's the negative effects? Nothing, really? All right. Yeah. You wake up a little doggy. Dude, edible is, like, it's like, I wake up groggy like a motherfucker or if I smoke too close to bed like I've gotten really

really fucking good at not smoking too close to bed and it's kind of hard I think that's bad I think well I track my sleep and I've I've been tracking my sleep like three years with the uh the you have the bracelet oh use the ring yeah so it's like I notice my sleep difference dude if I smoke right before bed I just get super fucking dry um my REM sleep's not as good um if I smoke if I'm going to bed at 1030 I smoke at seven And that high Pretty much wears off By the time I go to sleep

I sleep way fucking better Dude just according to my ring I feel better too But it's hard not to fucking take a rip before bed Just you get blasted off laying bed And fucking just spin Yeah I fall asleep like immediately And I don't dream

Which is the weird part about weed Is that for the past like 10, 12 years That I've been like a daily weed smoker I just don't really have dreams And then but recently like I got COVID So that made me not sleep for a week And then when I started smoking again We did like this all day live stream where we listened to people's music on stream for donations

And probably smoked like four blunts and my fucking throat was so swollen and fucked up from it I think I just like dove into it too fast and those were like two weeks where I wasn't smoking and it just really really like I started having weird dreams Freaky shit started happening in my brain Dude yeah weed we did trip for me like so I don't I try to keep my lungs healthy as possible I have a really nice vaporizer the volcano do you know the volcano is yeah but Is that, that's a concern? Is that you think it might affect your cardio a bit? Yeah, I think so a little bit.

I have asthma too a little bit so I can feel it. Like last night we were smoking joints and like I woke up and I could just like, I could feel it. So for the most part, I'm, I mean, even even a clean dab at a good temperature won't fuck me up. A clean dab. And the vaporizer doesn't really fuck me up. Edibles obviously don't fuck me up. But dude, like a bong, bong, pipes, joints, blunts. fuck me up a little bit but

I remember one of the Diaz brothers when you said the thing about don't show up high that like his drug test said that he basically was high as fuck for the fight was when he submitted talking to where he'd go me I'm pretty sure it was Nick Diaz they said his THC levels were so fucking high

that he had to be like smoking in the locker room yeah but those dudes dude those dudes could fucking fight high oh yeah some real gangsters right there I wouldn't want to fight high like I'm like I just couldn't do it some people could Tom you probably fucking could he likes chief

Nick, Nate, obviously could. You do Jiu Jiu Jitsu hi though? Oh yeah, dude. I always hear that that's a big part of the culture. Oh my God, dude. Jitsu fucking stoned is so much fun. It's probably one of them, dude, it's got to be up there with like partying hard. It's like that level of fun doing Jiu-Stoned.

Right. It's so much fun with some good tunes. Oh shit. A couple years ago I was supposed to interview those two because they were like coming into my store a lot and shit. And we had the interview lined up and I actually spent like a whole weekend. I fucking got UFC Fight Pass, which I had to do. get again for this interview. But they fucking, like, I was just rewatching all their shit.

And, like, you know, I was actually talking to some of my friends who were in the store with them. And they said that they're just, like, in a constant state of, like, shadowboxing. Sort of, like, getting it in with each other and shit. And there was actually, like, some gangster dude who was at the store, like, who kind tried to, like, press an issue, like, with the fucking cashier, like, kind of trying to, like, acting like, he should get clothes for free or some shit.

And he told me later that, like, he could see one of the gangster dudes, homies, like, basically, like, warning, like, being like, don't, don't try to be tough right now. They're professional UFC fighters. Like, they will fuck you up. They're crazy. Dude, yeah. I mean, it's crazy if you don't know what people are capable of. Yeah.

Like, if you look at those guys, you might think they're gangsters. You might think they're badass. They'll fight. But they got the look in their face like they would, like, they look a little bit around. They know, too. Yeah, you look into their eyes. Okay, they know some shit that I don't know. Yeah.

No, they're fucking, yeah, Nick and Nate. Dude, Nick's fighting again. How crazy is that? I'm so curious because if you see him on Instagram, like even two, three, four years ago, he just looks like he's in Vegas partying all the time. Like, that's what I got from it, from his, like, a couple of Instagram stories and shit.

So fucking curious how that fight plays out against Robbie Lawler, because they fought, how long ago was that? That's what he's fighting too, yeah. What they said was 12 years ago, 11 years ago they fought? Wow. And now they're fighting again. Nick hasn't fought in five years. I'm so, that fight's going to be crazy.

Yeah. So you are a fan. dude a little bit that's but that's a big fight that's what i'm saying that's a big fight that's on a nick diaz returns after five years uh i'll definitely watch that but like i think there's fights this weekend that i fucking don't know who's on the card right like i don't i definitely watching to what's say friday tomorrow i could definitely watch every card and enjoy it but it just feels to me like is this the best use of my like four hours tonight when i'm with my girl and i know she's not exactly dying to watch yeah so i kind of like hold off on it what do you

What do you and your girl do for fun? Do you guys have a Netflix show you guys like to watch or what do you do at night? We're always like rotating between different shows. Although right now she's in like season six of Grey's Anatomy. So I'm not watching that shit. I haven't seen that either. She kind of like leaves me at some point at night and just goes and watches that in the room. Dude, fuck yeah.

What have you been watching? Just usually preparing for, uh... Yeah. Who do you have next? Do you know who you have next or do you have people look it up or? Yeah, I always have a fucking schedule that's like, slowly in a state of being built up. But they're probably all rappers

that you haven't heard of. I got these two LA rappers. This dude, Waleigh, the Sensei, and then this dude, Japp 5. There's a rapper from back in the day named Little Mouse who, like, disappeared for a long-ass time, and I got him on Monday.

Do you just hit him up on Insta? Or a little bit of both. They hit you up? Oh, actually, I really have to tell them that that Monday interview is not happening because I have to do this poker tournament. But, you know. Damn.

that's sweet, though, you interview with guys that, so they're just, like, coming up, maybe, potentially? A lot of them, that's kind of like with No Jumper, one of the main things I realized that was kind of crazy for me early on is like people want to know about rappers even before they're some big ass star because it's like they're just interesting personalities and characters and shit. So like for me, at least in terms of like L.A. dudes who are really from the hood, like I like to just try to interview dudes like super early because I'm just interested in getting to know them. And then like I feel like the audience appreciates like the biggest successes that I've ever had with the podcast are usually just. getting somebody who ended up being a huge star but I got them like really early at a time where they were just raw as fuck and just not because once they're like really rich and

famous then they kind of get media trained they realize oh I don't really have a ton to gain from going on this podcast and just talking all this crazy shit you know yeah no that's fucking that's way cool how long you've been on youtube 20 well 2012 I started doing BMX shit on on on on YouTube and then 2015 2016 was when we started no jumper so damn that's a That's grinding though. You've been grinding. Because you have fucking fat subs, too. You've been grinding.

It's $4 million. Like and subscribe. All you fucking UFC fans who have not subscribed yet. Oh, they'll watch. They'll subscribe. You know what they do. Dude, that's fucking sweet, though. Been grinding on YouTube.

That's so cool that you can make money off, like, social media shit like this. It's still blows my fucking mind, dude. It still, like, because even, even like, when I was in high school, it wasn't like, oh, I could make money off YouTube. Like, it just didn't seem. That wasn't even an option. It was like, what are you going to do for work? So it's crazy right now you can make money.

doing all this shit. That's one of the things I love the most is like seeing these dudes who are like kind of like the new generation of YouTubers where I know that they would literally be like a drug dealer or robbing people or whatever and they figured out at a certain point like oh I can make a YouTube video and make a couple hundred bucks and just sitting in my house or like you know same thing about a lot of Twitch streamers and stuff like I know so many people that this is really like their alternative to being in the streets. That's pretty amazing to me. Yeah using their creativity. their energy towards making videos or thinking about what can i make a new video for instead of selling drugs doing fucking robin doing whatever taking risks you know because a lot of dudes are doing that they're taking those kind of risk to basically be able to take care of their kids but you're taking a risk that you're not going to be there for a big chunk of your kids upbrain you know yeah 100 no it's we're fucking lucky to be in 2021 living this crazy ass fucking life that's true um okay so you're going back home after this and uh what was the game plan look like For L.A.

Yeah, tonight, I'm going to hang out with my buddy Dingo because I just signed with Monster. So he lives out here. He's going to take us to the monster office or some shit. And then he's going to take us to Nobu, Malibu dinner tonight. Got to hit Nubu. Is he a fire? Very important part of just L.A. culture in general, yeah. Okay, we're going to go out there.

That's like the nice restaurant that you got to like take a girl to or a couple. You've got to just see a bunch of celebrities there or whatever, you know. Okay, damn, that'll be sweet. You'll see famous people there for sure. Is that, that's right on the beach, right? Yeah, up in Malibu. Is there like, how's the beach, because right now, obviously, L.A. might be shutting down again or whatever. Is there still, like, a ton of chicks on the beach or is it, like, kind of calm down?

Because not as many people are visiting, or what's the chick situation like? If you survey a large percentage of the beach to Malibu, you're definitely going to see some chicks. I don't know what beach you would be the best beach to go to. To pick up a chick. For me and my girl. What if me and my girl want to pick a chick? Where should we go in L.A.? Probably, like, some sort of bordello and just find yourself a prostitute.

Okay, because I brought a babysitter tonight. That's what she's operating? Yeah, she's my babysitter. No, yeah, so we'll have to go check out some prostitutes. That's tight. You think that that, like, bonding experience of fucking a girl with your girl brings you closer together? I think so, for sure. Yeah, we've been together for about seven, eight years, and we've had definitely had a couple three-sum.

There's, dude, it's just fun. Just like, I think it brings us closer together for sure. Yeah. There's a lot of trust right there. A lot of trust, yeah, definitely a lot of trust. Just the new experience, especially for Danny. just fucking being with a girl. She enjoys it.

She likes it. It's fun for her. It's fun for me. But yeah, what's our chances picking up a chick in L.A. tonight? Man, I just don't know where to go. I know.

It's crazy out here. I feel like it's not as poppin. Clubs, yeah. I know. It's like, if I told Danny, I'm like, I'm not going to drink. We're not drinking tonight. Or this trip.

Like, I'm going to be sober this trip, but I might have to, Saturday night. Got a babysitter. You might have to go find a little mamacita. You might have to. Damn, that sucks. Like the porn star girls I know, I feel like if I told them like, hey,

holler at this rapper friend of mine, but holler at this UFC fighter friend of mine. They call me a rapper than I like it. Oh, yeah, yeah. You basically are rappers. Dude, I need to get on something. I wish, do someday I'm going to be on something. I don't want to be like Tyron Woodley, though, and just get made fun. Have you listened to his?

Oh, bad. He just gets made fun of so bad. I don't want to be that. I mean most athletes throughout the years have been also, yeah. Shout out to this fly that is totally like making us. You got the reflexes. You almost got it? You read that book before?

Mastery? Yeah. Good ass book. Classic. Yeah. But what were you saying? Most athletes that tried rap and suck. Very few athletes that people have seemed willing to take serious as rappers.

Well, there's a couple of those dudes in the NBA that are fucking got some sweet shit. Who is it? These days? Do you know what I'm talking about? I feel like Lillard. I'm thinking about Shaq. Shaq's career was pretty wild. Wait, what you said?

He got some fire shit, right? A couple? Oh, really? Okay. I'm pretty sure. Oh, he's got some sweet shit. but Shaq, definitely. Yeah, it's probably not realistic, but you never know.

They're probably out there. If I can just scream some shit, like a five-second scream thing? If you want to think about an easy way that you could fit into a rap song, there's a skeptic song, and Asap Bari, who's not a rapper, he did the chorus on the song, and he just literally said, it ain't safe on the block, not even for the cops. And they sampled that, they made it the hook of the song. is a very dope song

and it like gave him a chance to basically damn wrap the hook of the song without actually really rapping that's sweet I always felt like those so there's opportunity there's potential

so you're saying I got a chance well you could hop on an intro maybe yeah okay I was at to say like kill a perfect post fight and then they'll throw it on the song didn't they someone do that with Connor when Connor did something

on one of the post fight interviews he said something fucking funny I think someone threw it on his song You think Connor's done? Dude, he hasn't won since for like five years. I still think he's super fucking good. Obviously, it's a very high level. But who do you give him next?

Everyone in the top 10 is a dangerous fucking fight. Like, I just don't know who he would fight next. He has to win his next fight. He can't fucking lose his next fight. When will he fight again? Honestly, probably not for another 12 months-ish. That's a pretty serious fucking surgery he had. Yeah.

And then the crazy thing is like, I don't think Connor really wants to be like, you know, number five in the world. He doesn't want to be like in the top 10. He wants to be number one. And if he's going to just be sort of like shrinking away from number one, it seems like it's not his personality to keep it going. Yeah, he's just so fucking rich right now. But even then, like going into this last fight, that was what people were saying. Like, is he too rich to fucking want it? And that seems like one of the most consistent things from watching USC for like 10 years is that went like Rhonda when she fucking got in a different place financially. It's like, boom, the losing streak just starts. It feels like that is just like,

like so consistent in M. Unfortunately, yeah, it kind of is. I feel like with Rhonda, I mean, as I'm watching, I just never felt like

her skills were super high level. I thought she was just fighting people that sucked way worse than her. It's such an early days of that division. And then, like, she fought Holly home and Amanda Nunez, like girls that could compete

and she just kind of got exposed for a real skill level. Connor's good, though. He's like really actually good as fuck, but every single fight he has has to be a mega fight. So he has to fight someone else

that's a, name is somewhat of a fucking name. So it's tricky for him to get fights because whoever he fights, he's making famous as fuck and he's making them rich. So he's, you know, all that goes into his mind. Like, who am I going to pick to potentially beat me that I care about making rich? Like, Dustin Porri is a star now because Connor fought him twice. You mentioned moving up and wait at a certain point if you were to, like, dominate your

own division. Like, that's always, I would always think about that with Connor though. I'm like, bro, like don't move up and wait. just keep fighting in this division, just have this ridiculous win streak as the champion. Weight cuts, bro. I think you want to get past that. Motherfucker, dude. Like cutting.

I'm probably, I would wait myself this morning. I was 157.4 or something. And when I fight, I'm weighing at 136. Dude, and to get down to that literally takes fucking, I'd say six, five, six weeks of strict, like I do, I do eight weeks, but like strict, strict, strict, strict diet to get down to 140 or to 151, 150. and then fight week I go from 150 to 136. So mostly water weight and shit. But dude, it fucks with you so bad.

You literally are basically dying. Like fucking laying there 137 pounds and one more pound left. I have to sit in this fucking tub. My heart feels like it's about to beat out of my chest. Like, just no fucking energy. So weight cut, like Connor moved up from 145 to 155. Dude, the weight cut just fucking sucks.

Like eventually I'm going to move up to 145 and I'll probably put on a couple pounds and it'll still fucking suck, but I definitely see myself going up 145 after I get the boat. But it's a pretty crazy thing being a USC fighter because it's like,

I think that you have the skill set that 100% of people respect. You know? Like the most gangster-ass rapper dudes that I know if they were in here and I said, yeah, he's this guy and showed him a little bit of your highlight reel or whatever.

It's like immediately they're going to be treating you like you're the fucking man. And that's got to feel pretty good because you're one of the best at the thing that every guy knows is at least a possibility for them when they leave the house. Right, right, yeah.

I heard all rappers want to be fighters and fighters want to be rappers. But it's, but it is, it is cool because I walk into, if someone, if a group of people know who I am, they all treat me super,

like I don't know how to really get a good read off people because everyone treats me like really, really good, which is sweet and I like, obviously, rather people treat me like that than like shit, but it's hard, it's tricky,

you don't know, you can't trust people because when they meet, you, it's like, you're like, God, that guy's cool as fuck. But he could turn around and go be a complete douchebag to the waiter. Like, what the fuck? So it is tricky. I mean, I'd rather have people respect me and do shit and be nice to me, but it's hard to

know who's fucking cool or who's just fucking sucking my nuts. Like, you know what I mean? I relate to that because I feel like at a certain point, I just realized, like, I have no ability to judge who's a nice person or who I like because it's just like in the rap world at least or whatever. It's just like a huge percentage of people just have every reason to. suck my fucking dick and it's just like I don't want to be around that

energy like I don't want to be around fake people so it kind of makes me not want to be around to not like take people seriously even if they seem perfectly nice dude that's a real yeah real issue you keep your circle pretty small who you hang out with yeah I don't know I ain't doing shit I'm like a weird ass hermit these do us me too I feel like

which is good for me when I'm at home and I'm smoking weed I feel like I'm anti-social I'm like I don't really want to go kick it with a bunch of people I don't really want to do a bunch of shit that's why I like weed so much too Like when I'm back home If I smoke I'm like

I can just chill at home tonight Watch fucking Netflix Dude I can just chill And no issues But if I'm not smoking My natural Like I'm like let's go do something Let's go fucking

Let's go to the park Let's go do something Which isn't bad Let's go hang out with people Let's go out to dinner What all that shit But smoking I'm just like I'm good with chilling

And I think that's important For me to keep fucking Grinding Just chill Be out at my house Fucking not being distracted by chicks and just fucking chilling. Because, yeah, like, I agree that it's good for you to, like, you know, be, like,

take some time to party and stuff. But also, like, you kind of know that, like, let's say you went all your fights in the next three, four years and then you take a bad L. The first thing that your brain's going to be going to is, like, I'm not partying. I'm fucking, like, just going to grind. Like, that's going to be the first thing to go from your schedule. But, I mean, as long as you're young and shit, too, it's like, I feel like there's, There's got to be some value in not driving yourself crazy by just being a pure monk.

Dude, yeah, 100%. The thing about taking an L too is like, I feel like I'm in a spot in my mind to where if I lost, it's like I could, it's all about perspective. It's like, dude, like we were talking about earlier, I don't have to go to fucking construction. Like, on my life still so fucking good that losing is not that it won't fuck with me, I don't think. Like some people think it could. I don't know. I've never lost. But the confidence is a real thing.

Some people lose and they don't have that confidence going into their next fight. They're like, fuck, maybe I'm not as good as I thought I was. Or who knows where Conner's confident is now? He was so confident over those years because he kept knocking people out. He hasn't knocked anyone out since Cowboy Soroni, who was on like a five-fight losing streak. So who knows where his mind's at. But yet, it's hard to say. It's hard to guess where someone.

one's mind's at but i feel like you're right though like i think you could handle a loss very well because it seems like you're i think your mind state is like your biggest asset to be honest like you just are you're so calm i even like that's why i was asking about like your first u sc fight because i could tell that you weren't as calm then and like in comparison to your demeanor of like your most recent fights it's just like oh fuck like this is like a totally different person with a totally different level of confidence yeah when i walk in that octagon like obviously i'm fighting Chris Montoya who it was a short

late replacement whatever it didn't matter who it was when I go into that cage I feel like I'm the best in the world 135 pounds like my skill set going into that cage I'm like I'm gonna beat whoever the fuck's in here and it's a good confidence feeling but it's yeah like I said it comes from those

training camps those eight weeks of complete mental discipline it's not you know I don't party at all don't drink at all it's train sleep recover train sleep like that's literally two months of fucking just pure discipline but that's where you get that confidence from for sure appreciate you coming through man dude yeah I'm glad we were able to

fucking set this up it was super short notice yeah I mean I did like 13 interviews this week and then I was like bro like if you're coming to town boom we got to schedule it fuck I appreciate that 13 yeah it's been it's been a rough week damn dude no yeah thank you so much for having me on the studio's fucking dope this place is this place is badass

I trust that you're going to fucking high kick that fly to death once we stand up. Dude, I know. I'm going to fucking smack the wings off this fucker. I appreciate it. Yeah, I appreciate it. And I'm mega looking forward to your next fight from here, dude. December. December's the plan.

December and Vegas. I fucking own Vegas. My last eight fights have been in Vegas. I'm going to put every last dollar I have on you. Yeah. It should be a big fight, dude. It should be a big fight. People have been wanting me to fight.

Someone ranked, someone big name. I think this next fight should be it. But I don't have control. I mean, the UFC, you know, they pick who I fight. I don't pick who I fight, so we'll see. But fuck, yeah, you guys got to go. Let's fucking go. Shoghan.

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