No Jumper - The Taleban Dooda Interview: Being the King of Tampa, Recent Jail Time, Florida Politics

Episode Date: November 9, 2022

Taleban Dooda shares a powerful message to urge kids to stay in school and out of jail!  ----- 00:00 Intro 0:03 - Taleban Dooda explains why he recently got locked up 1:57 - Dooda keeps getting arrested by being linked to bright cars 3:35 - Police down south are different. Dooda admits most cops aren’t racist they just don’t like rappers 5:02 - Dooda on getting caught with two g*ns at 17 years old 7:50 - Dooda explains the difference between Orlando and Disneyworld 8:36 - Dooda has been moving differently since Pop Smoke and PNB Rock got k*lled 11:45 - Dooda says he listens to NoCap the most 14:44 - Signing with Brooklyn Johnny 16:35 - Dropping out of school. Wishing he could go back. Urging kids to take school seriously 19:24 - Dooda encourages listeners to stay out of jail  20:24 - Streets are too hot right now. Rappers and celebrities are being k*lled regularly 21:31 - Dooda on the impact of XXXTentacion 24:22 - Dooda on his recent experience in jail. Dealing with boredom 25:57 - Dooda breaks down his strategy for being locked up this time versus the past 27:08 - Dooda breaks down the politics in Tampa 29:49 - Avoiding conflict when out in the clubs. How to tell if someone is a fan or foe 31:12 - Dooda feels like the King of Tampa right now. Shoutout to Kodak and Melly 32:11 - Dooda on the popularity of Jacksonville artists and gang beef 34:00 - Prevalence of sneak dissing and how to properly disguise disses 35:05 - The origins of Dooda’s supposed beef with OTR 36:58 - Dooda thinks becoming a Youtuber would risk his freedom 37:35 - Dooda’s thoughts on police using rappers’ lyrics to build RICO cases 39:00 - Dooda doesn’t think rapping about vi*lence and politics hurts his chances of being a major artist 44:08 - The origins of the Taleban name and why Dooda changed the spelling --- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And today, we got a very highly anticipated interview for all the jits out there. I guess you might say. Taliban, dude out is in the building. How you feeling, man? What's going on? What's going on?

I'm Gucci, man. Hipe to have you in here. How long to be here? How long do you go away for? I was going for like almost a month and a half, probably like 45 days. Okay. So what happened in this situation? She had a little situation had to happen.

Um, they're trying to say like we did some shit type of shit, but, you know, it was all false, you feel me? They're trying to say you did a drill? Yeah. Okay. Most, they try to say we did some shit like that, but, you feel me, it wasn't any nothing like that at all. Like, we ain't had nothing to do with nothing, you, you feel me?

But. Why, what evidence did they have against you, or how were they able to even try to make this case? I guess. When the situation hadn't happened, the last thing he seen was, you know, You feel me, the cars that we was in. Oh. I guess that's all he could, like, really remember. You know, I was in a bright car, you feel me?

So, you know, you're going to remember that bright car. You feel me? It was a bright car, that's all I know. Okay. So, you feel me? But. And this was in Tampa? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Damn. And so you were just in the jail there for a fucking month and a half? Yeah, man. I was on, I had a VOP hold, though. I ain't had no bond because I had a hold because I was on probation. My probation was out in Miami, but, you feel?

I had a show in the old, like, the day before that, the night before I got, you feel me, arrested and shit. The same day, actually, I had a show that night in Orlando. Shout out in the Mello, you feel me. I got out. When I got out, I already did it. I did the whole show of us, so on. But yadro, like, was, um, on noodle.

Wait, so, okay, what was it like being locked up for that month and a half? Is that the most time you ever spent my bars? Nah, it happened. That shit happened to, um. Around last year, the same time I got arrested, around last year I got arrested at the same time. For what? Same thing.

For some, another mistaken identity. You feel me? Really? Yeah. It was really off of a car, though. You feel me? A car that they seen type of shit, I had took a picture in front of the car. You need a different car.

Or like a bunch of different cars, maybe an Uber. It wasn't in my car, you feel me? Like, it wasn't in my car just took a picture in front of the car. Uh-huh. You feel me? And then somebody did a drill in that car. They said it was my car. But if they're going to link me to a car, I would think that they would need more.

Like me owning the car, proof I ever drove the car. So when they picked me up, the officer said, when he got, I had me on the ground and shit, they had him pick me up and shit. They're like, oh, yeah. He's like, where's your mazie? I'm like, I don't got no fucking car. You feel me? I ain't got no car.

I ain't got no license. Right. So these cops are super. tuned into social media in your area? Damn. Then when I'm from, they don't like us, you feel me, so it's like... Right. I mean, that's what they always say about

Florida, though, from my experience, I've had this conversation with a lot of people. Florida got some of the worst cops in the country, the least tolerant. They're dirty, man. The most eager to lock your ass up for some shit where in a lot of other states, the cops, the tone is just different.

Like, a lot of other states, it feels like the cops are not really looking to lock everybody up and they're kind of like... It depends on where you're from. I say it depends on where you're from and like... You ever see these videos going viral in New York where the fucking people will be barking on the cops and just calling them bitches and...

Crackers don't do shit. All this shit. You do that shit down here, them crackle off, but a beat your ass. That's what I'm saying. You feel, me, they lie with a beat your ass out here. That's what I'm saying. It seems like it's crazy out there.

But okay, so you feel like Tampa in particular has a real big investigation until rappers, anybody who starts popping off As a rapper, you get a lot more attention. Really? I was really fin to say that. No, count. I was really fun to say that.

I was really fun to say it's really big on rappers, too, because, like, you feel me, like, that's rappers anywhere. Like, when you're from your city and you're a rapper and you, like, you turn up in your city type shit, them, them, crackers going to hate, you feel me, like, they're going to be on your dick, trying to find a way to, like, you feel,

and break you down and just, you feel, me, keep you off the streets, you feel, you feel, me? Keep you out of, like, winning. Like, that's what they want to do for real. I ain't going to lie. them police down there they know me like like they really know me like you feel me and they like listen to my music and all like I don't got investigated and all they're asking

me like oh yeah my little brother a big fan of you really real deal like telling me like my little brother a real deal like ain't your name taliban duda all right so serious question though do you think that they're racist or do you think that they just genuinely think you're a piece of shit and think that you should be locked up that's the second one they ain't racist I mean the racist is probably part of it like at least A little part of it, right? It probably is a little bit, but nah, they just, they don't want us on the streets.

But when did you start getting in trouble? At what point did you start to get locked up? I caught my first charge at 17. For doing what? I got caught with two guns. Oh, Lord. Yeah, but it was on some shit like, we could talk about it.

The case over with type shit. It was on some shit, like my big cousin, actually, I don't know why I said my little cousin type shit. Like, he was out on double bond. You feel me? Props to you, by the way, for rolling a backwood and a paper and a paper with the, is that fronto? Yeah, that's fronto.

Okay. That's grotto. This grabber. And you burnt it a lot before, okay, and that's graba not a backwood. Okay, interesting. I just, I respect the fake. I don't smoke that way. Like, backwoods, they make me sick and shit.

Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. What's different about the grubber? It's just like, the gravel give you, I could taste the weed more. Like, with batwood, you take straight backwood. Uh-huh. Yeah. That's how I feel.

Okay, I got you. So, wait, your cousin had a truck? What were you saying? Yeah, my cousin was out on double bonds, though. You know what, I mean? He was out on double bonds. And the incident happened and just happened type of shit. So, but my cousin was I don't double bond

and I had seen undercover police, you feel me? Uh-huh. You feel me? So he ain't see him. I seen him. Like, so I'm like, I told him give me his scrap, you feel me? He was really like, ain't want to give it to me, but I was like, man, just give it to me, bro.

So I guess he knew, like, I knew something that he didn't know, so he gave it to me. And you guys aren't licensed to carry these? No. No. I was a juvenile. No, I was on the same. Oh, yeah.

But, yeah, like, Crack's hat and end up jumping out on us. And, like, you feel me? I ain't even run. Like, I don't know why I ain't run. I was fin of run, but I don't know why I ain't run. But, you feel me? And they got you.

Oh, so. Got me. That was my first charge. I went to a little juvenile tent. How much trouble you get in for having two guns at 17 in Florida? I mean, you don't really get in too much trouble because you feel me, like, it really depends on, like, how many times, like, you feel me,

you don't got arrested. and all that extra shit. Like me, I ain't never had them got arrested. That was my first time getting arrested. So when I went in there, you feel me? They, I'm going to cry. My carers really be on some shit, like, man. Like, he ain't doing nothing.

Like, he just, you know, the wrong place and wrong time, probably with the wrong crowd. So they were being a little more forgiving at that time? They hadn't fully decided that you were trouble yet. Yeah, at the same time, it was juvenile too. So it's like, it's not really a big of a deal. You're just going to go in that bed. Where I grew up, if a 17-year-old,

got a car with two guns, I feel like it would be a pretty big deal. I actually don't... New Hampshire. Like a random-ass place outside Boston up on the East Coast. We'd be driving down to Tampa to go on vacation when I was a kid, though. Orlando, Miami, all that shit. You know it's tough airwear that you could do. That's fun.

Like, airwear for everybody is different. Right. But that does say a lot, though, that we went to where you're from to go on vacation when I was a kid. People still do that. They come there to get on, like, rods. to go to theme parks and shit. Yeah.

Just like the old. I don't want to sit here and say the old light, just that, but a lot of motherfuckers go to the O for like Disney wearing and shit, but that's not the O, you feel me? Right. I'm not from there, but I know that's not the O. That's just where motherfuckers go, you feel me? You get a little vacation and you'll feel me?

Right. But don't just think it's always just, oh, you can go there and have a vacation. Right. Well, I mean, New York has one of the worst murder rates in the country, and it also has Times Square, which if you go there, it seems like the nicest fucking place. But we also know rappers who fucking have had attempted murder charges in Times Square in recent memory.

You know, L.A., obviously, like, the home of fucking gangbanging, and then you got Hollywood Boulevard, you got Santa Monica Pier. There's, like, nice-ass touristy-ass places, too, you know? L.A. crazy. Yeah, you like it out here? Yeah, I love L.A. But it's, like, ever since all that shit been going on, like, motherfuckers being rock and shit, like, I ain't really been out here like that.

But that make you want to move around differently with what having to pop smoke, P&B Rock. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That shit, like, it's like, it's like, it ain't safe for rappers. out here for real. Like, there's like, that'd be another thing, too. Like, the police, like, you feel me, they'd be on rappers' ass and shit like that. Like,

you feel like, you feel me? Like, we got to protect ourselves, too, you feel me? Like, we our own brand, but you feel me? In their eyes, you feel me, they're gonna see, like, we just, like, you feel me, on some other shit, we're part of criminals or something, you feel me? Like, they just don't want us to win type shit, but

we got to all, like, we got to protect ourselves and, like, we got to protect our brand. Like, if we are own brand, you feel Because a lot of niggas, you feel me, I'm an up-and-coming still as I speak, you feel me? I might be signing out, but I'm still up and coming, you feel I'm still trying to get to where I want to get. So it's like, you'll see all these bit rappers, like, bigger, bigger rappers,

like, you feel me, they got security and all that extra shit. Everybody can't, you feel me, everybody's not from sitting here and get security and do all that extra shit. Right. Sometimes it might be, oh, the artist might have that father. The artist might have to protect himself. Right. But they don't see it like that at all.

Yeah, but I would say that in L.A. definitely as an up-and-coming artist who got some jewelry and you got some cloud or whatever maybe some people are looking at you as a lick, whatever. Even with all that, it's like the cops are not

the thing to be worried about. It's definitely like the streets are the thing to be worried about and one of the things I see people doing wrong is either they like get some bad information and they come out here

and they linking up with weird people. Linking up wrong people and all that shit like me. I just stayed to myself, you feel me like, I'm tapping in not here though. Like I ain't gonna say I'm like I ain't top in

because I'm tied in with a few people. I just really like be trying to stay in my own lane, though, because, like, I ain't from my hell. Right. So what the fuck I'm going to do? Right. But, I mean, you know how it gets where you're at. I know how I get where I'm at then.

You know it gets crazy out here. If I was you, because, like, I remember there was a time pair where, like, young boy was out here, and he would be out in hoods, like, popping out and SUVs and, like, politics with people and shit like that. And there would be other hoods who have beat with that hood, posting up a picture being, like, If I catch him, he hanging out with these people and shit.

And I'm just like, what the fuck, bro? Like, young boy is not a part of this L.A. street shit. He should just have security, stay in the crib. Just like, you have no reason to want to be wrapped up in the politics of L.A. And-combeying shit, though. Yeah, but like, but that's the whole thing is that somebody like him, he loves street shit. And he's just as curious about what's going on in L.A. as he is where he is at. I'm just saying, wait a way, do I can't in a lot to you.

Like, I'm just like, the street's just like. I don't know. You'd be fucked up about that shit, though. Like, you can understand, like, you feel me? A lot of people that grew up, like, why be or whatever, like, that's why motherfuckers can really relate to him type shit. Because, like, everybody kind of grew up the same way, just different times, you feel me?

Right. Everybody really going through, like, was going through the same, still going through the same shit. Right. It's just different times. Who's the current goat of, like, street music? Because I feel like the conversation a lot of times is, like, a young boy, dark, Kodak, Little baby maybe

Throw him in there for sure Sales-wise You gotta be up there Yeah But I ain't Who are you listening To the most Well I listen to the most

I ain't gonna lie to you bro I'll be on no cap Heavy No cap super underrated He's underrated Very Amazing music Amazing lyrics

Super well written Very underrated Yeah Amazing like melodies and shit I went to his show We did a vlog at his show Everybody should go watch that Because his

The way he rocks a crowd those are some real fans yeah yeah he got some real frill some fans I'll be seeing that shit real shit I'll be seeing that shit definitely yeah I'm gonna be real with you like I watched the interview with you

before I really started listening to the music and I definitely didn't expect your music to be as good as it is because you were kind of like just you're high as fuck just like moving around at the Dirty Gold Bastard interview I was like I was expecting the music to be a little bit more dysfunctional

But then actually, like, your voice is really good. The melodies are real good. Like, I was actually very impressed. Yeah, yeah, I appreciate you. Appreciate you. No doubt. I'd be like, no, I'd be in my own lane, no, like, I can't in. Like, I don't know.

I feel like I'm different from me, everybody else. Mm. Do you work at the music a lot? You spend a lot of time in the studio? Yeah, yeah. I do. What's that like? Like, what's your typical session like?

How many songs are recording a session? I take my time. my songs so like like when I first started rapping type shit like I used to have like I used to write so you know everybody started all right so you feel me I used to write and like the song I used me like probably like if I got a six-hour session and I wrote all my songs type of shit I probably do like five six songs each hour I'm doing the song like if I write it how it was like if I write it I can lay it down in an hour fast right like if I'm freestyling I take my time with it you feel me like that's what you're doing more now?

Yeah, I do freestyle way more. So, like, every time I go in the studio, six hours, I make probably, like, two, three songs. Right. What do you like doing more, like, the street type shit or the stuff with, like, the guitar beats that's more emotional? I like them all. I like them all.

But I favor, I ain't a lot of love to favor pain. Like, I favor pain music. I feel like, that's my scrimp, you feel me? That's like a whole genre. Yeah, that's a whole genre. When we talk about no cap, young boy, you know. Yeah. I ain't really put all that out.

Like. I just put this shit out, but... Really? My real deal, pain, like... You feel like you got a lot more to offer in that department? I know I do. Mm-hmm. I was deaf.

And the gangster. And, like, I do it all, though. Right. Gangster. Love. Pain. Whatever. I go commercial, all that.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. You're down for that. Down for it. Who'd you sign with? What's the management deal and all that shit? I saw it with Brooklyn Johnny. Mm-hmm.

Who else says, as he worked with it? He worked with Kodak. Oh, okay. Cardi B. He popped them off. Kodak and Carter B. He got, legit, I look like K. Flott.

He's been rocking with him, just not to him for a little bit. He got a couple people. They got Warner Bros. They got some people on the, Warner. They got some people from Tampa. They got a couple people from Tampa. So when do you get with them? And how did that change the trajectory of your career?

I got with them like. Damn, I don't know how many months that was ago. I can't even think, but... It's really like on some family shit, though, like... Johnny grew up with my manager, them type of shit. So, but Johnny was on some shit, like... You feel me? He told me, like, he got a vision type shit, like...

Like, he wanted to take over the whole Florida like he did with Kodat. Like, you know, when he parted off Kodat. He, like, he had a vision, like... But he don't think no artist in, like, Florida could, like... Could do it, but... But me. You know what? So, like, yeah.

That's dope. Yeah. So, like, how, at what point did you get to in your career before you signed, though? You already had videos with M's and all that shit. And did they just see the, and did you do all that yourself? Like, you got yourself popping and everything? Basically, yeah, I did. Like, to be honest, like, really, like, when I first started rapping, it was in school and all that shit.

So, like, I really got lit in my city from school, you feel me? All the schools in the city used to post my, really. repost my shit like then the streets you feel me like I was always in the streets but if I'm I turned up in school like with all the friends at other schools and shit like that that's smart when I dropped that it was just I was all in when I dropped that right when I dropped out of school I was I was just all in why did you drop out because you were getting in trouble yeah I had um I ain't never used to go to class no way though I ain't gonna lie to you like I'm smart as fuck but it just like it just wasn't in my head like school was what I wanted to do right you feel me like I

I always think, like, shit, I could be doing something more than just sitting in this class, listening to these people. Right. If they ain't here getting their paycheck, and I'm just learning from them not getting no money, I'm going home every day broke. There weren't any subjects that you found interesting? Yeah, I ain't going to lie. I like math and history.

Right. So I like math and history. Those are my favorite two subjects. I look back at school, and I'm like, damn, I wish I had a better attitude about it. Yeah, I ain't a lot of do, too, because, like, I was just talking about this with my partner. I ain't going to lie. Like, once you get out of that shit, like, yeah, miss that. Because you're watching random.

To all the kids, stay in school. Right. You're going to miss it. I'm telling you, like, when you leave and, like, you got all your friends done, you just, you be the one to, I was really one of the, me and my partner, T-9, we was really one of the first ones to really, like, like, in our generation type shit. We was really the first ones to really, like, drop out and everybody was still in school. Right.

Trendsetter. You feel me? Like, when we dropped that, bitch is like, damn them boys and, like, said, fuck this shit. Right. Well, now that you're popping, you've got to encourage the kids to stay in school. I was just on space. I was just on space with a whole bunch of people who were just talking about that. Twitter spaces? Twitter space. And I was like, there was like something about school.

And I was like, I ain't going to lie. I might go back to school. They was like, why you feel like you can do it not if you couldn't do it before. Right. But I was like, shit, I'm in a way better spot financially. Right. You feel me? So, well, in my head in school, I'm broke. I'm just coming to school.

I'm getting free lunch. That's it. I'm coming to school, just fucking with these holes, not going to class, no, none of that. So when I dropped that, I went to getting paper. It's like, okay, I'm back, right? Right. So, okay, I got money now. I'm straight.

I can really, I got enough songs. This is what I told him. I got enough song to just stop rapping, stop going to the studio. I can just drop music and be in school learning. Right. I can do that now. I really can be a good gimmick. I told them, I said, I can do it, but am I going to do it probably not?

And they're not going to let you go to school anyway. Yeah, probably not. You're going to be a disruption, like, just being there. No, I can get my, I can go get my GED then go to a community. A lot of rappers do that at some point, you know. Because you could have like take home homework type of shit. I can go to a big school though. Right.

Probably. Go to Harvard. Harvard? I don't think I'm smart enough for Harvard. I don't think I am either. I think that almost everybody would. You got to be the smartest kids. The smartest people in the country go there and fail out of there.

Like some of them, you know. I mean, that's your hard. Yeah, it's not. I think you got to be gifted. Okay, so wait, what was it like having to sit down for that month and a half? Like how boring was it? What was the vibe like in there? Hey, that shit, I ain't going to lie, bro.

Don't ever go to jail. I'm going to tell everybody that. That's the name of the game. Don't put nobody in jail. Don't do none of that. Jail is for no, man. Only people that are supposed to be in jail is fucking rats. They should be the only ones that stay in jail.

What about like murderers? Man, murderers, that's normal. Motherfuckers have been murderers. Like, like. Motherfuck's been murdering. That's true. For decades before any of us. Like, K men was murdering.

Right. But as a society, I think we have to, like, scare potential murderers by showing that if you murder someone, then you'll have to go away for a long time. Yeah. It's unfortunate. Because, you know, some people out here that just, like, I don't know. Motherfuckers would be doing crazy shit. There's babies out here done and all the type of shit. Really?

So, like, it is getting crazy out here. In the same, bystanders will be getting hit all type of shit now. So it's like... This shit. You don't want to be in this shit for real. Yeah, because there is like a nationwide crime surge. You feel like you see that where you're from? Yeah, yeah.

That shit don't win up. Right. Everybody murder rate don't win up. That shit. It's bad out here right now. A lot of rappers done. Football, players, basketball, everybody. Muckuckuckers just dying.

That shit crazy. It's crazy. It's like everybody's numb to it. Everybody's numb to it. It is just like getting normal. Yeah. It's really getting normal. people.

Yeah, like when Tupac and Biggie died in the 90s, that shit was like, it rocked hip-hop. That shit was epic. Now rappers die and it's just a couple months later, it's totally forgotten about.

I mean, everybody's still gonna say long-lude of them and long-lough of that, but everybody get forgot about. Yeah, it's tough to make a mark

that'll actually last when you're gone. Yeah, but music is the kind of thing that does that. Yeah, you're right. Like King Vaugh, he left Impact.

Yeah. He was one-on-one. left for impact, P&B Rock left for impact Nipsey left an impact A lot of people, pop smoke left a big impact. Facts. Like, he put their little shit on the mouth. Do you listen to X?

X, yeah, yeah, I listened to X. X was like, he was a different type of artist. Right, different type of Florida kid. Like, a lot of motherfuckers, like, you think X, like, appealed to a different type of kid in Florida? Or, like, you know, you're more like a street-type rapper, but you listen to him and you, you understand

He was creed, though. He was screet, though. True. It was real screed. A lot more streets than a lot of people, yeah. Yeah, it's a lot of people out here that street. You feel me? But, like, me, I'm screed, but I listen to everything.

Mm-hmm. Like, everything. John Legends. Really? Bruno Mars, Sam Smith, all that. Did you like that pop shit? Yeah. So, you ever work with songwriters?

You ever go in the studio, like, trying to make a hit? Shout out, Darry, um, my Lano. That's my boy. He didn't, um, did some shit for me. Like. Is that something that you work with your management team on where they'll be like, hey, like, we got you some sessions with this dude. No, they just be like, like, am I willing to do it?

You feel me? Like, that's all it is. If I'm willing to do it, then we're going to do it. But I fuck with Derek. So it's like, I'm with, like, whenever Derek want to do some shit, we can do it. You feel me? I know we both going to eat off this. It's going to be a banger.

Right. I have a theory. I actually have theories about a lot of rappers. Whereas, like, a lot of popping rappers who I believe that they work with their label, to get pre-written songs and then they sort of do their version of the song but they basically get like hits pre-written hits handed to them

and then they change it up 20-30% make it more of them and then they move with that. I'm not going to say names because I don't want to put anybody in their particular but I believe that there's a lot of artists who are like very open to that at this point. It is artists I hope it's that.

Like all they did like with people that written the song I only did two of them. you feel me ever and I was like both of them was like last year no one on was last year one on was like two years before that

probably a year before that I only did two um but do you like the do you like that style of creation as opposed to just going in and spinning over the beat? I don't really like it but you feel me I'm I do it

you feel it because I know you feel me you got to do shit that you don't usually do you feel me in this right shit like it's gonna try for sure you know like everybody say you feel me got to get out to cuff is on to get where you want to be you feel me i saw that happen to juice world one time though he personally though i don't he had like a pop star come through to do a song with him he had like

the song pre-written and it was like kind of fascinating seeing him do something that was already written for him because he had almost never done that before you know yeah but i don't really like i don't i wouldn't prefer it but i'm willing to do it i prefer like my shit right definitely so wait But sometimes you do need those extra ideas. I feel like I keep trying to say this and I keep I keep fucking up. But like, or we keep getting sidetracked? But what was that month and a half actually like? Like, what was the vibe like in there for you?

How crazy was it? It was crazy. I was, I was chilling. Like, this time I was chilling. Like, my first time in County, it was crazy. I was fighting. Like, I was really, like, getting into it with niggas in that bit. But this one, like, I was really chilling.

Like, I ain't have to worry about shit. I was chilling. Really? It was just like, that shit just be boring. Like, you see, you like, it's around the same niggas every day. Like, some niggas just be like, they'd be bug, dot. On weird shit, it's weird niggas and all the type of shit. Right.

There's like straight tweakers in there, just doing wild that shit. Not all tweaker, like, some niggas didn't know. There was my partners from the streets, shit. I knew a lot of niggas from the streets, but some niggas, it was just like, them and like, you just screaming up the wall. Yeah, they're just like screaming. Yeah. losing their fucking minds.

What, uh, what, what, what, what, what, what,

what, what, uh, I was watching movies and shit. Got a tablet in that bed, watch movies and shit. What are you able to do on the tablet?

Like basketball, you can, um, you can, um, you can, um, and they let you do that, I didn't know that. Yeah,

you can call it off the tab, but it's like, still the jail phone, you feel me? So like, you got still gotta, no, push,

run, do all that extra shit. It's still recorded and all that shit. Right. But you feel me, like you can like lay on your bed and just be on a tablet and shit you ain't post to but you know we do it we won't well in jail anyway that's cool but uh is is was it rough for you to go into that environment since you're like used to being on rapper time at this point i mean

i ain't like when i got in there this was my whole mindset when i got in there you feel me like when i got enough i went up to the um what they tell you if you got a bond or not you feel me like when i go up there i'm like the first thing i'm finishing see if I got a bond, you feel me. All right, like, I ain't had no bond, you feel me. Same thing happened the first time I went to the county. I ain't had no bond.

So I was like, I'm already knowing what time it is, you feel me, I got to get in that mode. Well, you feel me, you're in jail. He ain't on the streets no more, you feel me, you know, you got to do what you got to do in here, you feel me? So, like, that was always my mindset when I go in there, you feel me, I'm going to do my time,

but if I got to do what I got to do, I'm going to do. But sometimes when you're going to, like, my first time I went in there I went in a whole different time. and like demon time like right how'd you avoid fighting this time i ain't really avoid it you feel me just like one nobody like nobody that i wasn't cool with you feel me coming into where i was at you feel me because it'd be it'd be points to where i could

have been in the pot with straight niggins that i don't like right if i mean i would win it enough it would have just been i think so you got that kind of thing there's like sides in tampa yeah it's side okay it's side it's um you got we ain't got like games and shit well it is It is games. It's bloods and crips and all that. But that's not what we like, you feel me? We're not really based off that. We're based off hoods, you feel me?

Like east, north, and we got streets, you feel me? Like, okay, I'm from 43rd. That's the east side, though. I'm from east side of 43, you feel me? But, like, the east is big. Right. The east is big, but we're not all together. So you got the east, the south, the north, the west.

The north big, but they're not all together. Right. The west big and they're together. Some of them not together, though. and then the east it's like east separated like you got different hoods in the east you feel me

that claim the east but someone probably don't mess with each other but someone probably do right but would you say like you know because it's weird like when there's an event in LA like a concert or whatever that there's a lot of gang related people

who are going to be going to because there are so many different hoods that there's such a high likelihood that people are going to see each other who don't get along and that is fucked up but then also sometimes I think it's almost kind of

useful having these groupings of who gets along and who doesn't get along because if it was just like total mayhem and it was just like it would just be hard to even figure out like who should really be going where or whatever like I don't know sometimes I feel like that shit is kind of necessary I feel like everywhere like every city everybody know who who beefing and who ain't beefing right everybody know when somebody got something going on so if you know they got something going on over there and you don't mess with them why's you going over there? Right. But some people don't give a fuck. And sometimes

there's a concert where everybody wants to go. Yeah, or just like club or whatever it might be. But everybody that goes, y'all know what might happen. Yeah. So who fault is that? But is that your attitude about the nightlife in Tampa and shit is that shit is just so likely to... I don't go everywhere. Right. Like in Tampa, I don't go everywhere.

Like, I don't like going out. Like, none of that. I don't go out in Tampa no, none of that. Like, I might, like, it's certain shit that I might go to you feel me but I don't really go too many places you feel it's it's interesting it's like a cultural thing because like okay in Texas it's like all those rappers are just going to the strip club throwing money wearing all their jewelry being out in front of a million motherfucking people every night that's the culture like

straight up and a lot of rappers been killed a shot or whatever as a result of being in those situations you're leaving up out of there you fucking stepped on somebody's shoes earlier in the night all of a sudden they're spraying your fucking car up you know it's It's like, but to me, I look at it like, man, I'm sitting on the couch at night. I'm chilling. Like, if I want to do anything fun, I'm going to have people come to me. Or I'm going to, you know, like at a certain point, I don't really like putting myself into those situations more than I have to. Yeah, you could keep yourself out of a situation all the time.

Yeah. Real shit. Definitely. I don't have to find my way out of a cup of situation, just like avoid it. Right. Yeah. Is it involving the fact that you're more high profile now and then? I mean, yeah, it's that.

But it's like, you feel me, like, being a rapper, like, everybody don't know, like, but being a rapper, like, they probably do know. But being a rapper, that shit, like, it comes with a lot, like, you feel me, you can go, like, anywhere you go, like, anywhere you go, somebody might know you. Right. You feel me, but it's like, you don't know if somebody's a fan or on some other type of time, you feel me, so it's like, we'd be having to move, like, a different kind of way, you feel me, like, we'd be having to make sure, like, like, like. I know when people be fans, you feel me, like, you can just tell. Like, some people just give off that, oh, he's going to try something. Right.

Like, he looked like he'll try something. But then some people are like, man, he probably, like, he looked like he a fan. And that's the weird feeling is when you got three guys in a fucking truck all staring at you. And they look like some hard-ass dudes or whatever. The whole time they fan. And then all of a sudden they're like, I love the podcast.

Yeah, and it's like, Jesus Christ. Like, I thought you were different types of dudes for a second there. Yeah. Real shit. But, okay, do you feel like you're the king of Tampa right now? Do I feel like I'm the king of Tampa? Most of the stuff. I can't lie to you.

I feel like nobody fucking with me out of Tampa. Right. Like, like, really like with this music shit, like being an all-around artist, nobody's messing with me. Mm-hmm. Who's the king of Florida? Who the king of Florida? You know, you know his codat. Yeah.

You know his codat. For right, Nato. Right. On his ass. Melly, when he gets out, he's going to be back in the conversation. Yeah. You fuck with his music? Yeah, yeah.

Melly tough. We can't erase Mellie from the conversation, man. Because Mellie's music was incredible. His career got cut short. But, I mean, a lot of people seem to think he's coming back. So I'm not going to count him out at all. I hope he come back, man. That's a lot.

His shit, that's a sticky situation here, I hope he come back. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. So, okay, you're in Florida, but you're looking at what's going on in Jacksonville and everything. I'm sure you're seeing all this craziness. And you're seeing also that that shit is very good marketing. Obviously, like young and age and all them, they had a big fucking year when the Who I Smoke shit dropped. Does that make you think, like, oh, I want to put more on my personal bullshit in the songs? No, it's so crazy, though. Like, it's so crazy what fuck people like out of you, you, feel me? like people that's what they love they love the bullshit yeah

so like two people beeping they love that shit everybody love that shit like people like fans everybody in this world love that shit that's what excite them so when there's two people beefing like that's what make

I feel like that's what make people like really blow up like that sometimes like sometimes they really make them blow up like that because people really be trying to see what the fuck going on oh yeah like why is y'all really beefing

like God forbid but if something happened where you got robbed and there's a video of it your name is going to be a hundred times bigger the next day worldwide they're going to know or vice versa if you beat the dog shit out of somebody

same thing yeah like they just people can't look away when it's some bullshit they can't they don't love it they love that shit but then that's the question is like okay you're mixed up in that shit but how much do you want to put into the music or how specific do you want to be it's like that shit risk out of

could like you got you got them boys you feel in me you gotta worry about a lot like a lot you don't want to say

the wrong thing I don't get in the shit though so I don't be worried about what I see right but it's like okay the whole question is do you want to use your

because a lot of people a lot of major label artists basically choose to use their platform to rub salt in the wound of shit that happened in the streets because they know that that shit Like sometimes I do that because

And that ain't in that I won't be wanting to do it Sometimes it's like you gotta do it Sometimes you get to the point Where motherfuckers just doing it to you so much Sometimes you just gotta do it Like it doesn't been times like that Like where you just like You get to that breaking point where like

You just gotta like Gotta say something Right Then once you say what you say It's just that Like motherfuckers love that shit That shit But there's also like an art to basically saying shit that only your ops would understand.

That's what really people need that. That's what I do. I ain't going to lie. I do that. Anything I say, whoever I'm going through it, they know, you feel it. It's not for everybody, you feel, me, to be in our business, you feel me, and know that we're going through it. And this is what's going on out here. But them nitty's no.

When I say that, they know. I've seen you beefing with another rapper or another crew on live or some shit. Who? O-T-something? O-T-R. I don't know. Oh, you're talking about O-D-R. Yeah, sure.

What was that about? Man. Nah, man, that shit wasn't about nothing, man. It was some shit that had happened like a couple years ago. One of the time ago. Okay. Me and another artist type of shit. We're from two different sides, though, you feel, me?

Right. But that's how it's never really got alone, you feel me, but we was on some shit. All right, we was going to stop it, you feel me? Really, we was on some shit. Like, we ain't care. We was going to make some shit, and we was just going to y'all.

But I ended up getting in-tah with his homeboy. He, you know, I don't know what niggas going to do. They're going to y'all. That's my brother. I'm going to whip my brothers. Right. You feel me? Just got in here, feel me.

I hate it. But it was like a battle rap, though. It was like a battle rap, though. That's how it started. It started as a battle rap, but me. A battle rap like you guys just sort of dissing each other in the songs a little bit. It was just music. On Instagram though, like we freestyle in them.

We were writing some shit and rap it and post it. Right. Then the whole city was on it. The whole city was fucked up by the day. It was loving it. Fair deal. Right. But then you, how'd that get squashed or did you just sort of leave it alone?

Yeah, we just left it alone. A homeboy had a homeboy in jail, though. free him though I don't wish no jail on no man Right Ain't nobody in the How do you feel though when you see the fans Like making content about it and talking about

You and turning it into a little project It'd be funny It'd be funny I'd be laughing at it Right I'd be laughing at it Because motherfuckers don't really know what be going on They just be feeling

assuming and be on the outside looking in But have what I'd be going on Really don't be going on Really? You don't know what's really really You should become a YouTuber You can fill them in I'd be thinking about it, but I don't know

You think that fucks up your chance of being a rapper? No, yeah He ain't gonna fuck up my chance to be in a rapper It's probably gonna fuck up freedom Yeah, that's too That'll be about it That'd be the only thing that, you know, everybody be having to worry about out here for real

You feel me, you got to worry about You feel like to pretend yourself in dying and shit But It's really them boys that'd be trying to like Police, they'd be trying to put you under Really? Like, away for a long time You know, they were trying to do.

do that to us, but you feel me, it's like, y'all can't do that. But you think you could just put something in a song that would be so spicy that the cops would just come pick you up or try to make a case out of it? Probably. Yeah.

They'd be trying to make shit out of anything. Not what's going on. You see how they just rico and everybody? Right. You feel me? Like, they just rico and all the rappers. They reico and everybody. It's definitely something to be concerned about.

There's a lot of rappers who used to put more personal, beef shit in their lyrics and they had to stop. Yeah, they did, but at the same time, you don't know what's for real, though. You feel me? It's like, rap us, bro, we rap what we see. If we rock what we see, what we live,

what we hear, we rock whatever. You feel me? Whatever is going on, that's what we're going to rap by. So if that's what the people like, then that's what we're going to give them. If we just give them what the people like, then why y'all are going to feel like we did it, you feel me? Right.

But that's why you don't want to be too specific. That's why you don't want to be too specific. Because if you say, I spun the block. It's like, okay, whatever. Like, that could mean anything. I can mean anything. You don't know if he did that for real. He's just saying, like, you say, I spun the block and I killed Lil Rodney. And Lil Rodney's a person who actually died. Yeah. Yeah. Shout out Rodney. There's probably a little Rodney out there who's like, what the fuck?

Leave me out of it. For real, for real. But also, okay, so what do you know, you clearly have aspirations to be more of a big major star. pop star type rapper, you feel like putting the politics and the music kind of takes away your chances with that? Putting the politics in it. Or putting too much violence and aggression in the music? No, because right now, like I said, right now, like that's what they, that's what they're loving. You feel me? Everybody loving that.

Like, you know how once there's a time where everybody was just on Rod wave. Like, everybody would just own rod wave. Like, that's all you are here playing. Right. now it's like everybody straight drill straight gangster shit like killing shit

that's all people want to hear right now girls and all they love that shit real shit right everybody love that shit so it's like we gotta get the people what they want at the end of the day no matter how do you

do you notice your fan base being like increasingly white kids though yeah yeah yeah yeah Is that a different feeling? Like knowing that the people who are enjoying your shit Might be?

I go a lot It just show me like You feel me? I can be molding and just Really? The hood. I can just be molding just for my city and shit like that. Right.

You just show me that. Definitely. What, uh, you got a girlfriend? No. Not interested? You got to be free? Yeah. Something like that.

That makes sense. at this point in your career be too much shit going on you don't think you could benefit from that stability no I can't just I don't know I don't know I'm probably my

I don't know that shit just everybody young I'm young right now I'm 20 right I got a long way to go before I just want to really settle down

I could though but I don't know if I am could you get yourself a TikToker or something a TikToker A clout relationship? A clout relationship? A R&B singer? No.

I don't know. I don't know. It depends. Once you get to really know somebody that I really like, tell it all, you feel me, like, because, you could just want one of these, you feel me? Fine rapper girls or fine singer girls, you feel me? And they just be, like, what you never expect it, you feel me? Right.

In the good way or in the bad way, you feel me? I mean, it's kind of unlikely that you. you would be able to find somebody that was on the same wavelength career-wise. Then it's like them girls, like, when they get, you know, they say like when niggas get their cloud and shit, like, they like forget about everybody

and, like, get boogey on girls and shit. Some niggas do, but some niggas don't. But it's like, it ain't even that because we're, like, niggas, I don't think, like, men, we're never like, I feel like we too over a female, not even over. We'll never feel like,

oh, how I want to say this. You're saying that there's a lot of poppin-ass rappers dating bum-ass bitches? Basically. We'll do that. We will, though.

We'll do that and build our bitch up. You see it all the time. But then we do that and build our bitch up. It'd be like, either way, it's going to fuck us over because we'll do that and build our bitch up

and shit leave us and go be with, you feel me, then God lit off us with other niggas. Everybody doesn't seen it before. Or, they'll just

fuck you over it's just like they'll fuck you over either way you've had your heartbroken or what? Yeah I have my heart broke over

damn before the fame before and after damn these bitches are scandalous huh shit happened

I do my dirt though so I won't be tripping you've broken some hearts as well I can't trip right ain't trip at all

yeah happened to the best of us yeah fair enough um okay So in terms of what you got coming, what's the game plan look like in terms of just music, everything?

Content. Straight content, dropping music, content. Just building up soon. Drop that big album on. Big album. Big album. It was big plans. Big plans.

Go crazy. 23? Yeah. Best what's up? The rest of this? Fire. Turn. Turn.

What was deaf. Let's go. All right, I appreciate you, man. Yeah, I appreciate you too. Anybody you want to thank? Anything you want to shout out? Thank you to all, my friend. You know, shout out to the city, you know.

Shout out the green light, you know, the music group. Shout out Brooklyn and Johnny, you know. Family, you know what's going on. April, Tray, Bibi Squad, Stang game. Popper, like 30 ain't gonna be easy for a little dude. We're thankful, too. I know how we coming, man. Oh, yeah, I wanted to ask, too.

Was it originally Taliban? And then you change the spelling because that is a terrorist group? No, it was Taliban with an hour at first, but then I had gotten into it with some niggas from my city, you feel me? They was like, um, they was just tripping like, oh, this ain't, like, you ain't Taliban, some shit, they were saying some crazy shit, like, but trying to beef with me by the name. So I'm really like, I ain't even really stressing it.

But then, like, really why I ended up changing it was because I had, um, I'm from the east. side. So really that's why I put the E. So it stands for the E side, but I had it at I first, but I ended up changing it. When I ended up changing it, that was why I changed it. But I wasn't tripping over them, I'm

changing because of them niggas. I was going to change it, but I was, I didn't change it. Then, like, one day I was like, bitch, I'm from the east. I'm from change this shit. If anybody asks me, it's going to be because of that, because I'm from the east side. It stands for the east side. Okay. Street lore. Trave lore.

Taliban, that came from my... My sister called me that one day. She said she ain't never called me that. But I swear to God, she called me that one day. I had a shirt around my head. That's what I was thinking, yeah. That's why I had a shirt around my head. Because I ain't had no haircut.

When the time I ain't had no hair cut, I used to put a shirt over my head. So then... I think dudes look kind of cool when they don't have their hair cut, though. Yeah. It's kind of gutter. I ain't got no hair cut right now. I'm thuging. But I've been in that mood, but she found, like, all right, Taliban.

One day she said that to me. I was like, oh, I like that. There's a music video where young Dolph is like pretending to work normal jobs or whatever. And he's pretending that he's like a janitor or some shit. And all he did to look like a janitor was he like didn't get his haircut for like a week. And I thought that was pretty lit. That's real. That's real.

That's real, though. Yeah. Rest and peace, Dolf. And shout out to all the janitors, the real janitors. Appreciate you, man. I appreciate you too much luck. Taliban do that. No Jumper, coolest podcast in world.

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