No Jumper - The Toosii Interview: Relationship Status, Summer Walker Collab, Won't Speak on Tory Lanez & More

Episode Date: September 18, 2020

Toosii stopped by the No Jumper podcast to talk about his new project dropping at midnight (9/18), his work ethic, working with Summer Walker, how he's been living during quarantine, Rod Wave vs PNB Rock, all the misconceptions about him and more! Stream/Download “Poetic Pain” here: https://toosii.lnk.to/PoeticPain ----- FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/529mn7of2HBKdLfrAMUzcK?si=rWVBWCuWSXeh0TFYb2P-dQ CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/No-Jumper-198283650194402/ http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. We out here with the one and only, Tusi. Yeah, the big step of the well-known flex to the girlfriend, ask heressa. That's a real thing. Because normally my girl doesn't give a shit about the music I'd be listening to. She's not much of, like, a hardcore rap fan. Yeah.

She heard you. She was like, oh, my God, he's so talented. He's so good. Like, his voice is so good. Like, she just immediately, like, gravitated to it crazy. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate it.

Right. That's you, though. That's all me. But, you know, musically, you can hold it. it down. I saw you saying that you had a new song coming out and that you were going to actually have sex to it, but that you don't, you've never fucked to your own music before? Nah, I ain't, I ain't never have sex to my own music, but I'm gonna try it. I try it with that specific song I got to.

It seems like your music is pretty good music to have sex to it, to be honest. Probably one of my fans. Oh, really? That's your way of giving back to your fans? Sure, got to give it back. Damn, I respect that so much. That's big of you. Yeah, man. Spread the love. What was, it's the Summer Walker collab, though, that really made you feel that way?

Yeah, man. It did something to me. Really? Yeah. Because I definitely like that song. That's the, what's it called again? Love cycle? Yeah, love cycle.

You know, they're calling me Tusi Walker. Really? Yeah, that's my name. That's how you feel about her, though? No, that's just me. Or you feel like you're... Like, when the song come on, it ain't no in-between. You can't be Tusi or Summer Walker.

You got to be Tusi Walker. Right. So that's what they call to me. Was she, like, a dream? feature on that song when you first put it up? Nah, it's crazy because we just sat down one day and we were just thinking like, who would be somebody that's perfect to go on this song?

Uh-huh. And instantly, I'm like, Summer Walker. Right. Don't nobody else get on it, I don't want nobody else on it. So are you a big fan of her music? Yeah, I love some... I was on tour with Summer Walker. I know all Summer Walker music.

Right. Because you've emphasized that a lot, that you got a real thing for like non-wrap stuff, non, like people that are in your lane type of thing. Yeah. But see, I really like pop music, though. Mm. Yeah.

What, like, describe that, though. Like, what kind of pop music and how does that then translate into what you're doing? And how do you describe what you're doing? Um, I can't really, you know, I make, I make music for, for everybody. You feel what I'm saying? I make music for the people who, who, who, who broken, but, but don't talk. talk about their problems. I make, you feel me? I make that type of music. Um, hopeless romantic music. That's the type of music that I make, but I also switch it up. I'm not in no, you know,

specific lane. Like, if you really listen to my music, that shit not like, it's not like straight love. Like that should just be gangster with a twist of love. Yeah, no, as I went deeper into the catalog and started listening to all this stuff, I heard more stuff about spraying people up and shit and I was just like, oh, okay. Like, do you feel like you've gotten more? You gotta keep it balanced. Like at the end of the day, I gotta, cause I don't want, like, so I make gangsta love music.

But I gotta, I gotta let people know that I'm a gangster first. Like, that's what I come from, you know what I'm saying? Like, and when I say gangsta, I don't mean like heavily in the streets. I just mean, you know, what I come from, anything that I come from. But like, yeah, I make that type music. But back to the pop music, like, I feel like, I feel like that kind of cater to my son a little bit because, you know,

I mean, I listen to it so much. And that's what I'm into. You feel what I'm saying? I don't make pop music, but it definitely got an influence on the stuff that I do. Do you still feel like you're, like, finding yourself as you work more and more? Because I feel like I can see the development

where your stuff is getting a lot more refined as you go. So I could say that I don't really think I'm finding myself. I think I found myself. I think I'm just growing. And each step will get better and better. You feel what I'm saying? Right. So, yeah, I be going on crazy, though.

I'll be, you know, I'll be locked in. You do. So you're like crazy studio rat. You're in there all the time? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like, the studio at my house. I don't like to go to no other studios. Like, I only like the studio that's at my house.

Why is that, though, do you think it's the most important thing for you to be comfortable when you're recording? Maybe because, maybe because I haven't found the studio that I, like, really loved yet, like, that give me like that, you know, being at home feel? I ain't got there yet. Like, you know? So I'd be cool with the studio that's at my house. I've seen that over the years, though, where I'll see some artists where they have that mentality of, like, going to the studio where they're getting dressed, they're getting all their stuff.

They're getting all their friends together and stuff to go to the studio. And then sometimes they'll just be like, all right, boom, fuck that. Like, we're setting it up in the crib. But, like, I don't know. I feel like one thing that's really common, though, is I never see a rapper make a song who is not fresh. Like, you've got to have your nice shoes on and your ameries and shit. You just can't record unless you feel like. You are the person you're represented, right?

Man, when I be at home, I record some of my best music in pajamas. Really? Yeah. Like, I record some of my best music in pajamas. I might be dressed one time. Like, I might, if I'm ever dressed, I'd probably make some fly-ass shit. Like, it's a song on my album that come out to 18th. It's a song that come out called Right Now.

I made that shit when I was fully dressed. And that's probably the fly's song on my album. Right. I don't know. I feel like it hit the most, but I was fly-as-haid when I recorded that. Right. Yeah.

Yeah, I feel like there's something about that where like a rapper artist just needs to like have all the amenities, like have everything there. They need the right atmosphere because on any given day, I mean, what you say on a song could be whatever. It's really kind of like how you say it, that energy that you're bringing to the track. They say you look good, you feel good,

you play good. Me and it, yeah, I was looking good. I was feeling good. I played good. Right. But let me ask you this. I feel like for a lot of rappers talking about gangster shit is almost like the easy way out on songs where they're saying a bunch of tough shit sort of like gives them a way where

they don't have to really like present much depth. Like kind of with your stuff. Would you say that about yourself? Because does it does it take more to make yourself feel vulnerable? Or is you being vulnerable and emotional on a song? Is that kind of the easy thing for you to do? easy thing for me to do because it's actually me you feel what I'm saying like I ain't never make music and first of all like any nigga that like be like nah yeah I don't listen to all that

love shit that's girly and not a fuck them at the end of the day love love is real love is gangster right any female to tell you that feel what I'm saying so like shit that's what I come from like you know it's easy to talk about the gangster shit but it's easier to talk about love because shit i'm a person who love everybody you know like i don't got no problems with nobody i love everybody you know i wish the best for people and shit that's that's that's the easiest music to make for me that gangster shit that should be cool but shit when you talk that gangster shit you gotta constantly live up to that like feel me and fuck i'm gonna be going outside you don't see people like ed sharing going outside

having to look over their shoulder to worry about people like, I'm like, who want to live like that? Like, niggas think that shit cool, that shit not cool. Right. I mean, a lot of people are out there, that's all they have,

is like to be able to present themselves as being tough, badass. Like, that's the only thing they have. You have, like, real talent so you don't need to rely on that. Yeah, now if you, like, if that's all you know, I respect it.

Because, like, some people, all they know is that lifestyle. You feel what I'm saying? And if that's true, that's shit, that's so big. but I'm gonna tell you, shit, I made a better way for myself. So I ain't gotta constantly talk about shooting niggas and all that. You might hear about it, but hey, we ain't gonna only give you that.

The thing I like about your music and that really made me like get into it once I started really listening to it is that I feel like a lot of R&B stuff is kind of boring to me because like me and my friend AD that I do the news with, we've argued about this many times where he sent me playlists of of a lot of R&B shit he likes. And I'm like, bro, this is 20 songs of dudes talking about how good they are at fucking. And I just don't care. Like, I just don't, I don't care.

But like, you bring the fucking storytelling and a lot of like really interesting portrayals of like not only yourself, but also other people, which really gets me way more into it. Yeah, because I mean, you know, it'd be a lot deeper than fucking, you know. Like, it'd be a lot deeper than just fucking when you listen to it.

Like a lot of my songs actually got meaning. Like, I got two songs on my album. One of them called Don't Tell. And, you know, my song, Don't Tell, it's about sexual assault. You know, females who don't have been abused, touched, you know, whatever case may be. Just because simply I feel like, you know, we live in a world where men are looked at to be more dominant. And when you looked at to be more dominant, you know, a lot of females take it as, you know, being that men looked at to be more dominant or some some females want to be dominant you feel what I'm saying long story short

I feel like a lot of females scared to speak up on some of the things that they've been through because they don't know how to how the world going to look at them you know how if they speak up on it you know somebody might now take them serious whatever case may be so you know I reached out on that topic you know and then I got a song up there called telly telly it's about um prostitution you know like yeah like so that should be a lot and in the song is say, uh, freaky bitch you're trying to fuck up in the telly telly. If you listen to it, you'll probably think like, damn, this shit is just about, but if you really listen, it's about prostitution. It's a, it's a lot of meaning behind a lot of the shit that I'd be saying.

You just got to sit and listen. And we live in such a fucked up generation. Like my generation's so lazy, they probably ain't even going to sit and be like, damn, like this nigga really talking. Right. People got to sit and listen. So, you know, and it'll take time.

Right. They're going to sit and listen. Okay. I mean, what you're bringing to the table, while I just like that the Mercedes song where you're talking about the girl who eventually kills herself I mean when you think about like what you're bringing to the table in terms of that story that you're sort of telling about her in the picture of your pain I mean that's like a million times more depth than the average fucking 20 year old dude god named fly is actually like

bring it to the table what but is that like something that you go through in your head where you're like okay I want to talk on the the subject of prostitution I want to do a song where I talk about a girl ends up killing herself. Like, do you, like, put a lot of thought into your songs before you make them? Because a lot of guys are just going out there and just freestowing. Man, so what I do is, a lot of the times

I make songs on live, and I, you know, I ask my friends straight up like, you know, would this beat make you, I feel like, you know, and I just go through a list of names. I let them name them, let them name them. And I see a name that I like, boom, don't tell. I like that, euphoria, I like that. Let's go with that.

And whatever they, you know, name they give me, I go off that topic. Or if it's a beat that I hear and it makes me feel like something, nine times out of ten is based on a true story. So what I'm saying? So, I mean, it's just real-life situations. It ain't hard to speak on it. But I don't write nothing. Everything I do be freestyle. So, like, even the Mercedes song, it was just so easy to make it into a story because it was real life.

like shit. Yeah, I mean, so I don't know. Because, I mean, there's a lot of dudes out there just acting hard as fuck and acting like, yeah, I'm fucking all these girls, and I don't go to fuck about any of them. Have you, is there a part of your personality that is like that? Or is it hard for you? Because, like, one thing I heard Joe Budden say about him and Drake is he's like,

we're the dudes in the strip club. They're just falling in love with every chick in there. Like, they can't help but, like, actually start to care about the person, you know? I'm going to tell you some real shit. I'm a real nigga. I ain't no sucker. I'm a real nigga, you know? And being that I'm a real nigga,

I like broken people. So I could say that I'm in that category with them because I go to the strip club and I might, you know, I go off vibes and energy. I might, shit, Shorty might be dancing on me. I might be looking at her like,

damn, I bet she's going through some shit to get this money, like, feel me? So I'm on the same page with them because I know what that's like. Feel what I'm saying? So yeah, I ain't no sucker though, but like, I fuck with females, though, you feel what I'm saying? Right. I feel like, man, I feel like, niggas be right.

At the end of the day, like, it's a world. Be tough. What I'm saying? Like, yeah, people go through problems, but I was raised by females, so I know what I know what life like on that end. I was raised by a female, you know, I was raised with two sisters. I got three nieces, you feel what I'm saying? Niggas are like, my brothers, they know. All right, y'all be all right.

Like, at the end of the day, our job to take care of them. You know what I'm saying? So when it come to the females, like, my love for females is different. I fuck with females. Like, I got more, probably got more female friends than I do nigger friends. Right. You know what I'm saying? Because, like, when you're in the strip club, the reality is that every one of those girls has a story,

an interesting story, sometimes probably a really dramatic story. And it's almost like their job to not let you in on the fucking story because they're there just presenting themselves as the sexualized version of themselves, that's the job. And it's like, but at the end of the day, like, if you really, like, care about people or, like, are interested in people, you can't help but, like, wonder exactly what led her to be here, how she feels about being here, what she wants to do with her life. It's like, you know, you describe yourself as an empath, right? Like, you can't help but want to know and want to care, right?

So, for sure, for shit, so. But not, like, should I say this just because, you know, I said it in the song, like, my sister dancing, bro. Like, my sister dance. One of my sisters dancing. And at the end of the day, you know, I never judge her on dancing because at the end of the day, I know what type person she is. And if it's ever problems, you know, like, if they ever call me up to the club and things like that, I might know how to handle it better than when she know how to handle it. Like, shit, the lifestyle that she is. My sister, gangster. Like, my sister done dead more time than a lot of these niggas. My sister be beating bitches up all the types.

I'm talking about, yo, for real for it. Like, they call me from the club. Like, yo, your sister up here about to fight again. Real. Like, it's real, but, like, at the end of the day, I know what type person she is. Like, she doesn't been through a lot, and on top of her, but going through a lot, she's one of the nicest people you could ever meet.

She just don't like being fucked over. You feel what I'm saying? So, like, I know what that shit like. All of them girls got a story, you know. I feel like everybody got a story. Everybody got their own story. But, you know, as of right now, as I'm building, shit, we're going to try to reach on all topics, you know?

and that shit because at the end of the day life go on and problems recycle recycle, recycle new problems come about and it's just gonna be nothing

when you're talking about real shit when you're talking about to shoot them up bang bang shit it's a lot of ways that you could kill a nigga but a nigga ain't gonna these niggas ain't gonna talk

about every fucking way that you kill a nigga they're gonna just talk about shooting them every fucking time like when we ain't a nigga don't be trying to hear that shit every time so shit you know it's life problems

it's easy to talk about life problems than it is to talk about shooting a nigga. Right. You know what I'm saying? Definitely. But are you the kind of guy where you're like always on the edge of being in a relationship? Oh, hell now. Are you tempted by it?

I ain't like that though, nah, because I don't see, I don't be, I don't fall in love easy. I ain't that type. I got, I be, I'm good at keeping it at friendship level. You feel what I'm saying? But where I fuck up at is I, I, I. It ain't people be falling in love. Feel me? I don't fall in love.

I make the other person fall in love and I don't be mean to do that shit. For real. Like, that shit get bad. Like, everybody want to be Tusi and have all the girls until y'all have tosy problems. Like, yo, that shit is terrible. Yeah, because you're like a terrorist going out there

and just spreading your fucking, making all these girls fall in love with you and then leaving them, like, fucking hurt and wounded. I don't be meaning to do that, though. I love them, though. You know what I'm saying? I love them. I got love for them.

but I don't mean the nerd they is. They ever be coming out and exposing you? They call me Chip Skylar. Posting a video, are you sleeping or nothing? No. No. Oh, yeah. You know what's so crazy, bro?

Not so boom, right? And like, you know, if they ever do that, I'll just hit them up and I'll tell them like, yo, like, come on, don't do that. You know what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day, I'm still cool with a lot of the girls that I, like, you know. My thing, my biggest problem is,

I don't have females take pictures in my bathroom. Oh, yeah? And everybody know my bathroom. I don't have, like, four girls take pictures in my bathroom. You can't stop the selfies, man. I can't.

They like the mirror. They like the shower. Like, I don't even think they like that. I think they be knowing. Right. They be knowing like, yeah, they know this bathroom. This is a popping-ass bathroom right here. They're going to know.

I'm telling you, and then they boom, I'll be having to tell them like, yo, like, come on. Right. But I ain't, you feel me? I'll be chilling now. Like, I ain't even near no more. I won't even, you know what's so crazy, though? I'm gonna just be honest

Yo, like During Corona bro Like the beginning Right Man bro I flew so many girls out For real You started to get addicted to it Yeah

Bro cause I got I don't be fucking with the girls In my city Like I can count on one hand How many girls I don't fuck with in my city Yo nah I was flying I was flying them out left and right My cat

Do you feel like it was It's like kind of a dangerous habit At a certain point Yeah that's what I'm saying Is this like popping pills or something where you're like, feels good, but this is not good for me in the long run, man. Yeah, bro. Like, I was not, I wouldn't even too much thought to you.

I was thinking like, damn, like, I'm a whore. Yeah. But I'm not, though, so, yeah. It was always hard for me to be the flyout guy because I'll be, you know. But you know what, though? You have sex with them and then it's like, fuck. Now I got to kick it with you for like eight hours till I'm ready to nut again. Yeah, nah, they already know.

But see, ah, damn. Listen, but, but, but, but, but, you. you know what, though, I'll be having a phone with them, feel me? Yeah. It stopped, though, because I had flew this one girl out, and I had liked her. Like, I had liked her. But she was, she was a whore. She was a whore.

So I had fucked up because I type had knew she was a whore, but, feel me? Yeah, I mean, I don't. Like a little of prostitute, or it's just fucking a million guys that you know? Nah, she was a whore. Like she was. She was fucking with all the rappers. Like I could, like, feel me? I ain't ain't gonna name none of the rappers,

but she was fucking with some of the rappers and, like, I just already had knew that. But I'm like, nah, like, maybe shuddy, like, no. Man, what? She got to the crib. I liked her. But she wanted them, first of all, if you know you were a whore,

don't try to be boozy with the pussy with me. Like, I ain't the type nigga where, like, oh, I could fuck him because I know him. Like, don't try to fuck him. fuck that nigga because you know you don't like him but then don't want to fuck me because you like me. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah, doesn't that feel so backwards? You don't want to give me the pussy

because you want to be in a relationship with me but you don't want to be in a relationship with him so you're going to fuck him. Don't do that. That's like high school logic. If I don't kiss him or fuck him for this period of time, then he's going to fall in love with me. But does that work? I feel like that's pretty good advice for women, honestly. No, they didn't work.

It didn't work on you. I would tell my daughter that for sure. Do not hand the pussy. over if you like him. Oh yeah, for sure. But you know what, though? You know what? I had liked her, right? So being that I liked her, I dropped.

Yo, and I, she got me. She got me. I dropped her off at the airport. When I dropped her off at the airport, she boohoo crying. She like, you know. I wish I fucked you. Man. So I'm like, I'm thinking like, damn, okay.

I'm thinking like, I hype. She's crying. I'm going to go back to the airport. Get her. Fuck that. Like, she's about to fuck. Right. Man, I went back.

got her she ain't even fuck i dropped it back off again bro she ain't even fuck i'm like nah at that point are you still managing the flights you're buying the flights are you just like buy your own flight nah no no no i ain't like that though yeah yeah yeah i ain't like that i'm i'm gonna buy your ticket back home but that's gonna be the last ticket i ever buy you right no cap would never see each other again but do you mostly fuck with normal girls you fuck with sex workers um only fans girls porn stars i like the only fans guys okay i don't need too much lie to you i like the only Fans girls, because the only fans girls be knowing some. Well, they got bread now.

They rich. A lot of them are rich as fuck. This is like a new thing. Rich sex. Normally you had to be a porn star who was like huge to really be making that much money or whatever. Now, Only fans, bitches buying Maybex. Making more money than most rappers easily.

Easily. Crazy. Sucking dick. Is that intimidating at all, though? Like, meet a girl. She's making quarter million a month off OnlyFans. And you're like, damn. No.

She's kind of like on my level. Nah. I ain't got like these Spotify checks. But you know what, though? You know what, though? When you were a rapper, the only fans, females love you. Something about, I'm telling you, you ask any rap. I'd be asking all my rap homies, you feel me?

Yo, bro. Yeah, the only fans, bitches be fucking with y'all, huh? They be all in their DMs. I'm telling you, they blow your ass down. I feel like the only fans girl is kind of like the girl version of being a rapper. Yeah, I'd be like a normal with you, man. It's like you guys are kind of meeting on common territory. You're popular.

You got money. You know, it's like you're looked at by your peers with awe and envy. No cat. No cat. But, okay, could you see yourself being with a girl out of OnlyFans? That's been like kind of a conversation and rap, like certain people saying like, like, oh, a girl got OnlyFans never going to get wiped up, whatever. It is what it is.

Like, you do what you. Honestly, if I like you, I like you. I don't care what you do. Like, if I like you, I like you. Just don't be up there sucking like a thousand dicks. Thousands a lot, yeah. Yeah, a thousand a lot. A hundred.

Seven in a row? You see the girl in here talking about that? Seven in a row? If you knew your girl's like seven and seven basketball players off in a row, would that be weird for you? It would you look at her different? Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

If you're going to let them niggas dribble on the court, then dribble their nuts in your most. But would you be one of the basketball players if you were in that position in six years? your homies that just got sucked up you'd be like yeah fuck it okay wait hold on hold i say it again if you were with if say you were in the NBA and you're you're with six year homies and you just ended up in a hotel room with some random girl and she wanted to suck everybody off oh i ain't isn't that weird i ain't even that type niggins you don't run through it like that man hell

nah i ain't about to be in no room with no nigger one nah that shit ain't that i'm Hey, and you know what's so crazy? Yeah, I'm about to expose my homies because I got some homies, I got some homies that would be doing that. They're running trains on bitches and shit. And, you know, that's what y'all do. Any nigga out there that, you know,

if y'all like to run trains on females and all the types of shit, cool, do what y'all? I ain't that type, nigga. I don't want to be in no another room with no dick out, no none of that. Don't do that with me. I'm cool.

Right. I'm all right. I'll be upstairs. I've done that shit in my life plenty of times, you know? I know. Yeah. I know.

He have to. Yeah. Y'all probably did it together. He's actually married to my sister. Oh, God. Okay. Next topic, go. That's tell you.

Hey. Now, for real, for a, though, is he really married to your sister? So, Bo, how that feels? How would feel to have him married to your sister? Because I always told my homies, like, I don't even play my homies, like, talking to my sister. Like honestly, I'd be a lot more worried about my sister dating you than him. I'm a good dude, though. I don't think.

It's not that I think you're a bad dude. I just feel like dating too si would come with some complications. Nah, definitely do. It would be a wild ride to hop on. But whoever, yeah, pause. But whoever do, though, you feel what I'm saying? They're lucky, they're a lucky girl. Right.

I don't take care of them, no care. You're the man sister, though. You're a man sister, though. That's crazy. He put a couple kids in her. Yeah. Word. You got to take care of her, bro.

Right. I'm pretty sure you do, man. You plan on having any kids soon? Yeah. Oh, whoa. Hold on. Hold on. The last part threw me up a little bit.

Now, uh, soon, man. Like, if I, yo, if I ain't have such a crazy female fan base, I tell them something, but I don't want them to be at my door. You feel what I'm saying? I don't want, I don't want no kids soon. But I don't know if I want to tell them Because you know my shit about to drop me Like I don't want my you know

What? Myself's gonna go down If you're in a relationship Yeah bro No I'm lying I'm lying No you're not I've seen it on your story

No no no no And I was looking at her comments And all the comments were Oh my God Why did Tusi post her Finally posted a girl Alright check me out Check me out check me out

Check me out right That's not my girl But I fuck with her But I don't You feel me At the end of the day Tusi's still single. She's single. She do what she want. I do what I want. But I fuck with her.

So when y'all see her, treat her with respect. Okay. You should actually check in on her because she, um, she was thinking about pulling an all-nighter last night because she has two midterms. Yo, you'll be lurking. Yo, that is crazy. Did she pull the all-nighter? Yeah. Well, can we call her and see? She also has her own lashes brand, which I thought was pretty cool. Can we call it? Yeah, yeah. It's dope. What is like, you know. This is pretty tight. She don't answer.

Viral. Hey, she might be in her fucking. Is this the first, like, time somebody? No, definitely not. But, you know, this could just prove, we're going to find out if she pulled the all-nighter or not. Yeah, let's find out. All-nighter, brutal, man. Fuck that shit.

She did good, though. What about the mic? Oh, yeah. She might be at work. See, I like girls, you know, who got a job, businesses and shit like that. So much respect. for that yeah yeah she had work she doing lashes right now man that's pretty badass that you finally posted a girl though yeah she'd call me back but yeah she'd call back but you know we have to

to be continued yeah we're gonna find out but so is that scary for you you're like a boy band guy where you're like you're worried that the girls are gonna yeah catch feelings huh oh me yeah more definitely like justin bieber or something yeah they call me the black justin bueber i can see that actually too Black Justin Bieber, LL2J, Chip Skylark. Mm. Your name. That's badass. Yeah.

But so, yeah. I think I'm, I think, I think I'm going to name my next album, Chip Skylark. Really? Yeah. Might as well. I like it. It's like chicks tape, but it's Chip, Chip, Schuy-Lark. Right.

How do you feel about that? Toy Lions is getting a lot of, a lot of flack right now. Yeah. I ain't even going to speak on it. Yeah. I ain't going to speak on it. It's a weird position to be in, right? Where it's like if you were to believe everything in the news,

yeah. it's a it's a tough one for i'm assuming you you've got a fan of his listening in the past a lot most definitely i'm gonna say i'm gonna say i don't i don't support you know that type of that type of action but i ain't gonna speak on it just because simply because you know um i'm and i'm gonna put it like this i'm a real dude you feel what i'm saying so um being that i'm real if i fuck with you before you did some flaw shit I can't help that you did something that I wasn't I was in I was if I was there it would have been different but I wasn't there so I can't speak on that but you know like I say I ain't going to speak on it whatever it happened you know I'm praying for me praying for the both

of them um yeah definitely um okay so this new project that's coming out actually tonight I believe because we're dropping this album, I believe, on Thursday, the same Thursday that was probably just coming out. You got features on there besides Summer Walker, or, you know, how does that work? Because I feel like a lot of dudes in your position end up relying on rappers a lot to make this shit pop off, and you don't really seem to do that.

Yeah. Actually, Summer Walker was my first feature. Right. But I got a song up there with dirt. Right, right. Okay, true. Yeah, I've sung up there with dirt. But I would put you and him in,

he's a little bit more of a rapper, I guess. but you guys like he's really blossomed into a guy who's really much more focused on the melody over the years which I think is a big part of why he's such a legend now. It's crazy because he started off, you know, with the drill rap, you know what I'm saying? But over time, you know, people just start to see like, with my album, the first four songs on my album

is nothing like what people are going to think it's like. They're more of temple songs, you know, and then it hit that fifth song, and shit just like it real. Right. How many songs? 18. 18.

18 songs. Is that because you wanted to do as much numbers as possible so you make the album long or did you feel like you had to include as really? It was longer before. Yeah, it was 21 songs and then we shortened it because you know we people with tension spend so, so you know we want to keep them, keep them there. Right. If we need to will, we might go back and add songs. So you're in the position where like, you know, you could have put out a 40 song project if you wanted to but you have to have to to like trim it down you got to make it shorter what's that what's that heartbreak on the full moon is that

by chris brown oh yeah because he put out like a 50 song project or something i could have did that right i could have did that tell chris next year i'm coming for him right yeah 70 songs i heard drake having that conversation and he's it must be so crazy for him because he's got like rap shit and rmb and he's got to somehow trim it down to like 18 songs working all the time yeah and So, and shout out to Drake because I just feel like, you know, when it comes to the melodic artists, I feel like, like, Drake is the definition of where a lot of melodic artists want to be. Like, we never want to be put in that one category where it's to, yeah, you're just a singing-ass rapper or you a rapper, rapper. Drake is considered an artist, you know, and

that's something that all artists, well, all, every melodic artist wants to be consistent. sitter you know yeah that's that's really the lane that I'm aiming for like I don't want people to look at me and be like yeah that he'd be singing too much so yeah that's really one of Drake's biggest contributions to rap that one of the main things that he changed is he made it so that a artist like you could be viewed as a rapper a singer and it didn't really matter anymore that was like a huge shift it got to a point where I really I don't care with people like consider me like if you consider me a singer you consider me a rapper you consider me a rapper you consider me a rapper. I'd rather be considered the artist, you know, because I could do both.

Right. Did you start out as more of a straight rapper? Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, you know, for the people that was around when I was doing that, like, they know, like, I started off, like, rapping, rapping. Like, I started off rapping out the car. So what I'm saying? And it elevated, but, yeah, I just, whatever people consider me to be, I don't care as long as you like my music. One of the things I thought was really interesting when I was watching that love cycle video is that all the comments were like about how dope it was that you had a dark skin video girl or shock that you had a dark skin video girl, which I did not realize was going to be such a shock. Was that like a very intentional choice? And do you feel like dark skinned women are like not properly represented in rap videos?

Yes. They sent me a hundred 13, like 100 light skin girls. I'm like no no no no no dark skin that's that's what we're aiming for what other video I just did I had a dark skin girl right you had another one I saw too right the poetic pain right the poetic pain video dark skin like feel me like nothing against you know any any any any any color but I just feel like dark skin girls is overshadowed like yeah we're gonna we're gonna we we're gonna make that a norm like come on y y y y y y y y y y y y y y y'all start putting dark skin girls we because that shit fucked up. I don't like that.

Right. Just like, is it your personal preference, or is it just something where you feel like they're not represented as beautiful, as frequently as they should be? I feel like, so, you know, I know people that's not comfortable with their skin complexion, you know what I'm saying? I know people that get picked on because of their skin complexion. I got a homeboy that's black as my phone. You know what I'm saying?

At the end of the day, I feel like everybody should feel love, everybody should feel beautiful, feel beautiful. And if starting with a few music videos is what's going to make it happen, shit, we're going to do that. Like, it's going to happen. Yeah. You get a lot of support from the fans for that. Yeah, I guess so. I don't really be paying attention to it, you feel me, because it ain't, like, I ain't one of those type people like, hey, look what I did. Right. So, like, I don't know. I don't think, I guess so. I get, like, yeah, you say you see the comments, so I guess so, yeah. I don't never really be, I'll be looking at my YouTube comments sometimes. Right. Like, just for the funny.

stuff. But is it weird for you because you're artists who sort of came up out the mud from like, you know, you grind it up from nothing on the internet primarily in terms of building a fan base and you probably used to be able to like respond to a large percentage of your fans and really be able to interact with Michelle

but you've kind of gotten big enough that that's probably got to be a challenge. How do you think about that? Yeah, I know. I ain't get too big for that though. I still talk to the fans. But I'll be eating their ass up on the internet. I'll be looking for the comments where people be talking shit because really those are the comments that keep me humble you know so I'll be looking for the I don't be looking for them but they pop up and when

they pop up I be eating their ass up I tear their ass up right anything they say they be talking about my hats they say my hats be big somebody said look like my hat swallow my head I'd be you know size hats you were seven and three eight seven and one eights right so just like it a little loose in there yeah I like it a little loose more room to think right back in the day oh my god if you've seen some of these dudes who used to be around the diplomats and shit back in the day the hats were so big sitting over their ears. That's nothing compared to that. Yeah, for sure.

Tell you, tell them, tell them, tell them I'm good. They shit used to be huge. Right. You never had dreads? Nah, I did. You did? That's crazy. How do you know that?

I don't know. I was just wondering, because it's always like a complication when you rock hats and you have dredds. All of a sudden you have to be buying like the biggest hat in the fucking world. I feel like you was lurking again. I just, no, I didn't see that. I just have a huge head. So I was like,

damn, if I had dread locks, there's no hat that would fit over this. Nah, I used to have dreds for real. Right. Yeah, that was the small dreds, though, like ducy dregs. Okay. And I'm just like that. You couldn't see yourself going back? Yeah, I did want to go back, actually.

But, you know, Shorty been telling me not that, you know what I mean? So I've been chilling. Right. Yo, so before we go any farther, y'all don't get mad at me, feel me? Because, like I said, don't got a girlfriend. So let's still stream the album, please. And leave her alone. I'll leave her alone if y'all make me go number one.

Y'all, we go number one. I leave shitty alone. I call her right now and tell her, yo, we're done if I go number one. You know what I meant when I said earlier, though, that a lot of, like, people in your position end up just putting a rapper on every song. And that's, like, how they try to go big. It's like, we're going to get all the hot rappers

on every fucking song. Because, listen, this always been my thing, right? If one of my songs blow up, that's a feature, I'm going to be pissed. to the highest level of pittivity because I worked so hard to get here and y'all listen to this shit only because this person on it.

I don't like that. Nah. So I'll be trying, and I don't be fucking with people. Feel me? That shit don't be genuine. So I don't, like somewhere, that shit was genuine.

You feel what I'm saying? Dirk, that shit was genuine. Like anybody, if that shit genuine, cool, let's do it. If not, fuck you. I respect that for sure. You had a bar where you said that your homie smashed so many girls off the back page

that you kind of had to let him out the crew No cat You know it was just taking over his life or what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I say Uh, uh, and your main folks who the fuck a bitch off the back page.

Yeah. Right. Like, basically saying like, feel me? Yeah, your main focus is getting pussy and you won't, trying to make money. You feel what I'm saying?

We're into two different things, you know? You're going to sink the shit. Oh, yeah. about your business. Yeah, that could be a problem for sure. We don't do that. We won't never put no female before the money. And like, if I'm constantly telling you like,

yo, like all that shit that you're doing, the money, the female's gonna come when the money come. If I'm constantly telling you like, yo, you're chasing the wrong thing and you continue to chase that shit, I'm going to cut you off. I don't care how long you've been around or none of that. Like, I'm gonna cut you off because shit,

like, and when I say cut you off, Like, I might not, I don't know, cut you off for good, but you're not going to be around when we're doing the shit that we're doing because at the end of the day, shit, we don't got the same, we don't envision the same shit. Shit, when you ready and you focus, let's get back to it. But have you found a girl yet who really understands, like, how much work you have to put in and how on your grind,

you have to be to try to accomplish this thing that you've been building all these years? Most definitely, you feel what I'm saying? Like, shorty definitely understand it. Like, you know, um, see, she, she, she, she, she, she the type female, she don't even like the, she won't, she knows all my music. But she's shy. She's a shy person. So she don't, being that she a shy person, she'd be scared to put my music up on the internet. Like, because everybody in the city know me. Right. We live in the same city. She put my music up on the internet. It's like, so you mess with Tuesday. You feel what I'm saying? Like, so, but she, she tried to sneak share my post, like, and stuff like that.

You know, she, she, she makes little tweets and all the types of stuff. She'll cry, baby, but she, she understands it. She know I'll be working. Sometimes we'll talk all day. Right. It's crazy how, if you're a popular rapper and you start hanging out with a regular girl, that all of a sudden, her world is just going to get rocked by having people deembing her and commented. It just, like, just becomes a huge fixation for all these.

random people it's terrible it's terrible you ever worry about making girls famous yeah give them too much power they might become out of control with it i'd be i'd just be worried about you know like this somebody who want to be a dentist you know what i'm saying like that's she and she in dental school like she ain't asked to be living my lifestyle right so like shit i be trying to keep that shit out the way too there's a lot of things that you might have to deal with that in the dental world might be looked at differently. Yeah. I seen you posing with guns on the gram.

You're not over that yet? I knew they were props. I didn't want to be able to say. I was like, those are music video guns. Fake. You know? I feel like it's the same gun that everybody in L.A. got for the music videos. The big wooden piece on this shit.

It just looks something about the way. But they'd never know. Right. So you just have fun with it? Yeah. But I do like to go to the gun range, though. I do go to the gun range. I go to the gun range.

I go to the gun range like three times a week. Really? It makes you feel good. just to be in practice with it? Oh, yeah. I'm going to quit. Like, for real, for real. A lot of people out there with guns,

I don't think they know how to use them. Nah, you got to clean your guns. I'll take all my guns apart, you know, anything that I, you know. Right. So, sure. You liked it. What else, like, because I feel like when I'm watching interviews with you,

that a lot of the people interviewing you were just sort of doing the thing where they hear something interesting about you in another interview, and so they just start talking about this thing that they already heard discussed. I know that gets you. There's a pain in the ass, right? Yeah, man, but I don't, you feel me? I play it off. Right.

I let it go. What's the shit about you that is interesting as fuck that people don't know about or like, just stuff that, like, there's got to be more to you that the world doesn't know about yet, right? It's a lot of things. I don't drink. Right.

On my own smoke. I got a shopping habit. What else? Where do you do, shopping? Where, like, everywhere. online shopper and shit? Because I know that you got some rare Supreme on right now. Yeah.

Oh, I got this from Cool Kicks, though. But I'll be trying to get the stuff that people don't have. Okay. You see these, he's called Cause Force. Okay. These $3,000 shoes. But they Jordans, though. You feel what I'm saying?

Like any Jordans that, like, people don't be having and stuff, I be trying to buy them shit. Like, I got a... I'm... Guns, Jordans, and cars. That's that's that's like I want to open my own gun shop for the people that don't know like on some on a good cause like you know not not illegal guns and all types of things. Yeah don't open an illegal gun shop. No we ain't well you feel me on like anything that y'all ever see if it do be real it's it's legal license like feel me I want to open my own gun store though right that's just something that I want to do a gun store I like shoes and I like cars right how many pairs of

shoes you got at the crib? I don't know. Right. Too many. Hundreds? Yes. Like, and they all, like, some exclusive shit,

you name it, I got it. And every day, you just sort of look at them and just ponder, like, how fly shall I get today? Yeah, bro, I literally wake up. Like, I don't care if I'm just going outside. I get dressed, you know what,

though? You know who I like, who be fly? I fuck with Key Glock. Key Glock. I was actually thinking when I was watching shit that you guys kind of reminded me of each other with the teeth and like sort of similar style-wise. Man, Key Glock be fly as hell. But the Memphis niggas in general, like Memphis niggas in general.

Like Memphis niggas be fly. I fuck with that shit. They pop their shit. I like that. Key Glock's a great guy. Could you imagine getting in the studio with him? What's stopping that? We got to break down these egos, break down the barriers and bring these artists together.

But you know what, though? Listen, a lot of, see, that's the thing too. I think a lot of the. But now, though, that ain't the thing because I be seeing, I meet a lot of street niggas like real, feel me? Because I'm a chill nigga. I ain't no nigga that's in the streets.

I'll be chilling. I don't feel me? I'll be in the house watching Netflix. Right. My homies, whatever the fuck they do, that's what they do. I'll be in the house watching Netflix. Boom, I meet a lot of street niggas.

And I think some of the street niggas be thinking I only make love songs. So if y'all out there and y'all thinking that, y'all might need to come fuck with the niggas put your line to that side and no cap but I don't only do that though you know what I'm saying like that shit only not like that

a nigga are artists you know what I'm saying but he Glock though tell him come on I fuck with his shit yeah you guys just kind of remind each other personality wise too so I don't know I fuck with Glock I feel like he'll layback nigga he too where some other rappers that you really fuck with

as a being that you don't really even make the type of music that they make but you fuck with what they're doing I fuck with Key Glock I fuck with ride wave I fuck with little baby I fuck with Key Glock

right wave, little baby I fuck with young boy young boy everybody who else I fuck with man it's a lot of artists I fuck with the of course I fuck with dirt you know I fuck with Vaughn

um let's just go on and nah Did you see the thing with P&B rock and Rod Wave going back and forth about the emotional type music? Yeah, but you know what's crazy? I fuck with P&B too. Yeah. He really was like very early on some stuff that's pretty popular now sound wise, you know?

So but see like I ain't you know like I say I ain't I ain't the type of nigga I'd be in the middle of shit like that like I'd never like if I see a post like that I'd never like like that shit coming on that shit like that's them they they're gonna. Easier to just stay out of it and shit yeah they they grown. I fuck with Kodak. Kodak hard. I fuck with Kodak free. Man, what?

It's a big loss for the culture, not having him around. Man, Kodak, so fucking hard. Like, if you really listen. Yo, I listen to a song Kodak made when he was, like, 16. Yes. Codak, so hard. So it's crazy. He had, like, the ultimate old soul effect, which you have, too, by the way, because it's crazy that you're only 20.

Yeah, bro, I'm only 20. A lot of people, people, be thinking I'm like, 24 or 25. Oh, yeah. Easy. You just seem like you have a little, you've seen a lot. Yeah, for so, for so. One of the best PNB rock songs ever is that one with Kodak. He told me he wrote that in prison.

That was, oh my God. And I swear I don't shit. I might get a little, that tugs in my heartstrings. Listen to that. Hey, y' y'all. I said not day goes by. And PNB said he was singing that in jail for like years. Yeah. Then he got out, did it, and got Kodak on it, and it was a huge hit.

That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, they went crazy on that shit. That's a fact. Okay. So, yeah, the gun store, we opened in the gun store.

We opened in a sneaker store. I got to do something for the kids, too. You think it was important to give back at this point, too? Yeah, most definitely. At the end of the day, that's who I do it for. Like, you know, at the end of the day. day that like yeah I know what it's like growing up being a kid and not having shit you know being a kid not having a shit being a kid not having nobody to look up to like yeah for sure so

whenever I ride you know the kids see my car you know they see me you know um that should just be motivation and it'll be wrong and not give back to the kids I got to do something for the kids definitely so I might open up my own community center really that's a long-term play Something like that. Right. Something big. The album? Is this like, you know, I've heard people say like rappers just put out, they just call it mixtapes or projects until one of them does really good, then they call it an album. Is that how this is or is this actually the album? I call all my shit's albums. Okay. Because it's album worthy. I don't care if that shit. I feel like people look at, people overlook mixtapes. If they, if you say mixtape, people overlook it. So I'm going to say album regardless. Even if it's, even if you're, I'm going to say album regardless. Even if you're, even if you, If it ain't an album, I'm saying the album because shit, it's album worthy. So, shit, that's what we're going to call it. But people don't know, like, in the music world, like, there's certain things that has to happen, has to be delivered in order for your project to be considered the album. Right.

Like, it got to be a certain amount of minutes, have a certain amount of songs. Like, you know, like, they have a certain requirements, like certain things can be on the pictures for the cover art, like, all types of shit. Oh, really? That shit different, yeah, but a lot of people don't know that. Definitely. They'd be like, yeah, hell, yeah, seven songs. This is my album. All, buddy.

Nah, no, the EP never go on count. Yeah, yeah, you're going to have to drop the deluxe version. Are you going to do that? You got that in the stash? Might. Right. I don't know. But what's the point to dropping a deluxe when I could drop a whole other tape?

Just more sales. That's why people would normally do it for? Fuck it. You're not concerned about that whole, like, sales on the next shit. You're not concerned about that whole, like, sales mentality, where everybody's out here doing merch bundles and going crazy, trying to prove themselves that way? Nah, because I feel like when you focus on that,

you lose the fun. You know, you're getting too caught up in the numbers. I try to not, like, don't need come to me with the numbers, no, none of that. You know, I try to leave that up to them. So, like, yeah, they go crazy, they got that, you know. I got my team in here. They got me.

I respect it. You're going to be on tour one of these days. You feel like you have any clue when you could possibly be doing shows again? Have you been doing little shows here and there? I'm gonna start my own tour next year. Like we already, and it works of working on it. I just found out I got booked for rolling loud Portugal.

Wow. I don't even fucking know where Portugal is at. It's in Europe. How is they gonna send me across the fucking country? And my first time being booked for rolling loud was this year, and it was supposed to be in, where was that, Miami? Was that Miami? We were supposed to do the Miami shit,

And y'all gonna send me across the country before I even get to do the shit here. Right. That shit fucked me up. Yeah, I know. I was thinking about that. Like, fuck, I gotta go to this shit.

I can't wait to hear their accents when they singing that shit. Really? That shit gonna kill me. I might bust out mid-performance. Yeah, that is what's gonna be crazy. It's like, what does Portugal want from a rolling loud? Like, what artists are going to be popping out there?

But they've been tagging me like, yo. Right. Feel me? Like, yo, we excited. Toos shit, too see coming. I got it. Yo, I'm gonna be honest with you, bro. I don't know the map.

So where the fuck is like, what is that by? I'm really bad with the map too. I just know it's in Europe. Can anybody tell them? What is that by? Is that by UK? Portugal. You want to find it on a map?

I'll just bring it up real quick. Feel me? Near Spain, right. That makes sense. So this is what I'm saying, right? That shit about to be crazy, though. We're going to figure it out right now. That shit about to be crazy.

I mean, if you haven't really been to fucking Europe in general, Yeah, they've been excited. I'm like, yo, I fuck with you. I'm coming. Whatever, it's just a fucking picture of a shape on that. It don't mean nothing. Yeah, but no, whatever that's by, though, I'm coming. Like, yo, we coming.

That's lit, though. But I wonder if there's going to be a lot of American rap fans who are like, man, we ain't been to a festival or a concert. It's so long. We've been saving money by not going on this other shit. Fuck it. Let's go to Portugal and see all these artists. I think it is going to be like that, though.

I feel like that shit is going to be crazy. Like, shout out to Portugal. When I say it like that, it makes me. think like fuck maybe i should go out there for that shit oh that should about to be crazy spain spain imagine i'm gonna get security in spain or what am i gonna do i'm gonna portugal portugal bodyguard okay hey listen you got it portugal shooters yeah you got it you got to somebody you know we're there though we're out there oh yeah we out there with security though maybe i'm going to portugal yeah let us know we got security a lot of different concerns once you go

to portugal big monstrous ufc fighters oh yeah yeah yeah Yeah, nah. Yeah, because I don't think they can have guns and stuff out there. Yeah, I think they'd be punching shit out. I was backstage at a show in the UK, bro, and I seen one dude had a security guard who maybe was like seven and a half feet tall. Like, giant buff fucking white dude who looked like he was like, he had punched the shit out of you. I was like, yo, that is such a flex to have a security guard that when they walk in the room, every single person is just staring like, what the fuck is this? And then imagine somebody I just woke up, slap the shit out of him and he cried.

Viral. Oh, yeah, no, I was picturing him, somebody smacking him and then him. Just falling. Yeah. Damn. All right, Tusi, bro. It was amazing to have you on here, a big, big fan of the music. People definitely need to listen to the project, which is coming out tonight as you watch this.

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Nojumber.com if you want to support. That's a real thing. Because normally my girl doesn't give a shit about the music I'd be listening to. She's not much of, like, a hardcore rap fan. She heard you. She was like, oh, my God, he's so talented. He's so good. Like, his voice is so good.

Like, she just immediately, like, gravitated to it. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate it. Right. That's you though. That's all me. But, you know, musically, you could hold it down.

I saw you saying that you had a new song coming out and that you're going to actually have sex to it, but that you don't, you've never fucked to your own music before? Nah, I ain't, I ain't never have sex to my own music, but I'm gonna try it. I'm gonna try it with that specific song I got to. It seems like your music is pretty good music to have sex to, to be honest. Probably one of my fans. Oh really? That's your way of giving back to your fans? Sure gotta give back. Damn, I respect that so much. That's big of you. Yeah, man, you know? Spread the love. What was it? It's the Summer Walker collab, though, that really made you feel that way? Yeah, man. It did something to me. Really? Yeah. Because I definitely like that song. That's the, what's it called again? Love Cycle? Yeah, love cycle. You know, they call me Tusi Walker. Really? Yeah, that's my name. That's how you feel about her, though? That's just me. Or you feel like you're... Like, when the song come on, it ain't no in between. swings you gotta you you can't be to see or summer walker you gotta be too see walker right so that's what they call to me was she like a dream feature on that song when you first put it up nah it's crazy

because we we just sat down one day and we was just thinking like who would be somebody that's perfect to go on this song uh-huh and instantly i'm like summer walker right don't nobody else get out there i don't want nobody else on it so are you a big fan of her music yeah i love some i was on tour with some walker i know all some walker music right because you you've emphasized that a lot that you got you got a real thing for like non rap stuff non like people that are in your lane yeah type of thing yeah but see i yeah i really like pop music though mm yeah what like describe that though like what kind of pop music and how does that then translate into what you're doing and and how do you describe what you're doing um i can't really you know i i i i can't really you know i i i'm

I make music for everybody. You feel what I'm saying? I make music for the people who broke them, but don't talk about their problems. You feel me? I make that type of music. Hopeless romantic music, that's the type of music that I make, but I also switch it up.

I'm not in no specific lane. Like, if you really listen to my music, that shit not like, it's not like straight love. That should just be gangster with a twist of love. Yeah, no, as I went deeper into the catalog and started listening to all this stuff, I heard more stuff about spraying people up and shit. And I was just like, oh, okay. Like, do you feel like you've gotten more?

You got to keep it balanced. Like, at the end of the day, I got to, because I don't want, like, so I make gangsta love music. But I got to, I got to let people know that I'm a gangster first. Like, that's what I come from, you know what I'm saying? Like, and when I say gangst, I don't mean, like, heavily in the streets. I just mean, you know, what I come from, anything that I come from. come from but like yeah I make that type music but back to the pop music um like I feel like I feel like like like that kind of cater to my son a little bit because you know I mean I listen to it so

much and that's what I'm into you feel what I'm saying I don't make pop music but it definitely got a influence on the stuff that I do do you still feel like you're like finding yourself as you work more and more because like I I could feel like I can see the development where your stuff is getting a lot more refined as you go so I could say that I don't really think I'm finding myself. I think I found myself. I think I'm just growing. And each step will get better and better. You feel what I'm saying? Right. So yeah, I be going on crazy. I'll be, you know, I'll be locked in. You do. So you're like crazy studio rat. You're in there all the time? Yeah, yeah, for sure. Like the studio at my house. I don't like to go to no other studios. Like, I only like the studio that's

at my house. Why is that, though, do you think it's the most important thing for you to be comfortable when you're recording? Maybe because, because, maybe because I haven't found the studio that I, like, really loved it like that give me like that you know being at home feel i ain't got there yet like feel me so i'll be cool with the studio that's at my house i've seen that over the years though where i'll see some artists where they have that mentality of like going to the studio where they're getting dressed they're getting all the stuff they're getting all their friends together and stuff to go to the studio and then sometimes they'll just be like all right boom fuck that like we just we're setting it up in the crib but like i don't know i feel like one thing that's really common though is i never see

rapper make a song who is not fresh. Like you got to have your nice shoes on and your Amiri's and shit. You just, you can't record unless you feel like you are the person you're represented, right? Man, um, when I be at home, I record some of my best music

in pajamas. Really? Yeah. Like, I record some of my best music in pajamas. I might be dressed one time. Like, I might, I might, when I, if I'm ever dressed, I'll probably make some fly-ass shit. Like, I, uh, It's a song on my album that come out to 18th.

It's a song that come out called Right Now. I made that shit when I was fully dressed. And that's probably the fly's song on my album. Right. I don't know. I feel like it hit the most, but I was fly to it when I recorded that. Right.

Yeah. Yeah, I feel like there's something about that where a rapper artist just needs to, like, have all the amenities, like have everything there. They need the right atmosphere because on any given day, I mean, what you say on a song

could be whatever. It's really kind of like how you say it, how you, that energy that you're bringing to the track. They say you look good, you feel good, you play good. Yeah, I was looking good. I was feeling good. I played good. Right. But let me ask you this, like, I feel like for a lot of rappers talking about gangster shit is almost like the easy way out on songs where they're saying a bunch of tough shit sort of like gives them a way where they don't have to really like present much depth. Yeah. Would you say that about yourself because does it does it take you take more to make yourself feel vulnerable or is you being vulnerable and emotional on a song?

Is that kind of the easy thing for you to do? That's the easy thing for me to do because it's actually me. You feel what I'm saying? Like I ain't never make music and first of all like any nigga that like be like, nah, yeah, I don't listen to all that love shit. That's girly and not a fuck them. So what I'm saying? Like at the end of the day love, love is real. Love is gangster.

Right. any female to tell you that you feel what i'm saying so like shit that's what i come from like you know it's it's easy to talk about the gangster shit but it's easier to talk about love because shit i'm a person who love everybody you know like i don't got no problems with nobody i love everybody you know i wish the best for people and shit that's that's that's the easiest music to make for me that gangster shit that should be cool but shit when you talk that gangster shit you got to constantly live up to that like feel me you and fuck I'm gonna be going outside.

You don't see people like as sharing going outside having to look over their shoulder to worry about people like, I'm gonna who wanna live like that? Like, niggas think that shit cool, that shit not cool. Right. I mean, a lot of people are out there, that's all they have is like the,

to be able to present themselves as being tough, badass, like that's the only thing they have. You have like real talent so you don't need to rely on that. Yeah, now if you like, if that's all you know, I respect it. Because like some people all they know is that lifestyle. You feel what I'm saying?

And if that's true, that's shit, that's, that's so be it. But I'm gonna tell you, shit, I made a better way for myself. So I ain't gotta constantly talk about shooting niggas and all that. You might hear about it, but hey, we ain't gonna only give you that. The thing I like about your music and that really made me like get into it once I started really listening to it is that I feel like a lot of R&B stuff is kind of boring to me. because like me and my friend AD that I do the news with, we were, we've argued about this many times where he sent me playlists of a lot of R&B shit he likes. And I'm like, bro, this is 20 songs of dudes talking about how good they are at fucking. And I just don't care.

Like I just don't, I don't care. But like you bring the fucking storytelling and a lot of like really interesting portrayals of like not only yourself but also other people, which really gets me way more into it. Yeah, because I mean, you know, um, It'd be a lot deeper than fucking, you know, like, it'd be a lot deeper than just fucking when you listen to it. Like, a lot of my songs actually got meaning. Like, I got two songs on my album. One of them called Don't Tell. And, you know, my song Don't Tell, it's about sexual assault.

You know, females who don't have been abused, touched, you know, whatever case may be. Just because simply I feel like, you know, we live in a world where men are looked at to be more dominant. And when you looked at to be more dominant, you know, a lot of females take it as, you know, being that men looked at to be more dominant or some females want to be dominant. You feel what I'm saying? Long story short, I feel like a lot of females scared to speak up on some of the things that they've been through because they don't know how the world going to look at them, you know, how if they speak up on it, you know, somebody might not take them serious, whatever case may be.

So, you know, I reached out on that topic, you know, and then I got a song up there, called Telly Telly. It's about prostitution. Yeah, like, so that shit be a lot. And in the song, they say, freaky bitch, you're trying to fuck up in the Telly Telly. If you listen to it, you'll probably think like, damn, this shit is just the bop.

But if you really listen, it's about prostitution. It's a lot of meaning behind a lot of the shit that I be saying. You just got to sit and listen. And we live in such a fucked up generation. Like, my generation's so lazy, they probably ain't even going to sit and be like, damn, like, this nigga really talking. Right.

People got to sit and listen. So, you know, and it takes time. Right. They're going to sit and listen. Okay. I mean, what you're bringing to the table, I just, like, that, the Mercedes song where you're talking about the girl who eventually kills yourself. I mean, when you think about, like, what you're bringing to the table in terms of

that story that you're sort of telling about her and the picture of your pain, I mean, that's like a million times more depth than the average fucking 20-year-old dude, God named Fly, is actually, like, bringing to the table? But is that, like, something that you go through in your head where you're like, okay, I want to talk on the subject of prostitution. I want to do a song where I talk about a girl ends up killing herself. Like, do you like put a lot of thought

into your songs before you make them? Because a lot of guys are just going out there and just freestyle. Man, so what I do is, a lot of the times I make songs on live. And I, you know, I ask my fans straight up, like, you know, what'd this beat make you? I feel like, you know, and I just go through a list of names.

I let them name them, let them name them. And then I see a name that I like. Boom. Don't tell. I like that. Euphoria. I like that. Let's go with that one. And whatever they, you know, name they give me, I go off that topic. Or if it's a beat that I hear and it makes me feel like something, nine times out of ten is based on a true story. So what I'm saying? So, I mean, it's just real life situations. It ain't hard to speak on it. But I don't write nothing. Everything I do be freestyle. Right. So like even the Mercedes song, it was just, it was just. just so easy to make it into a story because it was real life shit.

Yeah, I mean, so I don't know. Because, I mean, there's a lot of dudes out there just acting hard as fuck and acting like, yeah, I'm fucking all these girls and I don't go to fuck about any of them. Have you, is there a part of your personality that is like that or is it hard for you? Because, like, one thing I heard Joe Budden say about him and Drake is he's like, we're the dudes in the strip club. They're just falling in love with every chick in there. Like, they can't help.

but like actually start to care about the person, you know. I'm gonna tell you some real shit. I'm a real nigga. I ain't no sucker. I'm a real nigga, you know? And being that I'm a real nigga, I like broken people. So I could say that I'm in that category with them because I go to the strip club and I might, you know,

I go off vibes and energy. I might, shit, Shorty might be dancing on me. I might be looking at her like, damn, I bet she's going through some shit to get this money, like, feel me? So I'm on the same page with them because I know what that's like. You feel what I'm saying? So yeah, I ain't no sucker though.

But like... Right, but it's... I fuck with females, though. You feel what I'm saying? Right. I feel like, man, I feel like, niggas be all right. At the end of the day, like, it's a world.

Be tough. You know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, people go through problems, but I was raised by females so I know what life like on that in. I was raised by a female. You know, I was raised with two sisters. I got three nieces.

You feel what I'm saying? And niggas are like my brothers, they know, all y'all be a'all. Like, at the end of the day, our job to take care of them. Right. I'm saying. So when it come to the females, like, my love for females is different. I fuck with females. Like, I got more, probably got more female friends than I do nigger friends.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Because, like, when you're in the circle, the reality is that every one of those girls has a story, an interesting story, sometimes probably a really dramatic story. And it's almost like their job. to not let you in on the fucking story because they're there just presenting themselves as the sexualized version of themselves.

That's the job. And it's like, but at the end of the day, like, if you really like care about people or like are interested in people, you can't help but like wonder exactly what led her to be here, how she feels about being here, what she wants to do with her life. It's like, you know, you describe yourself as an empath, right?

Like you can't help but want to know and want to care, right? So for sure, for shit, so, but not like, should I say this, just, because, you know, I said it in the song, like, my sister's dancing, bro. Like, my sister dance, one of my sisters dancing. And at the end of the day, you know, I never judge her on dancing because at the end of the day, I know what type person she is.

And if it's ever problems, you know, like, if they ever call me up to the club and things like that, I might know how to handle it better than when she know how to handle it, like, because shit, the lifestyle that she is, my sister gangsta, like, my sister doesn't get more time than a lot of these niggas. My sister be beating bitches up all types of. I'm talking about, yo, for real for her, like, They call me from the club, like, yo, your sister up here about to fight again. Real.

Like, it's real. But, like, at the end of the day, I know what type of person she is. Like, she doesn't been through a lot. And on top of her, but going through a lot, she's one of the nicest people you could ever meet. She just don't like being fucked over. You feel what I'm saying? So, like, I know what that shit like. All of them girls got a story.

You know, I feel like everybody got a story. Everybody got their own story. But, you know, as or right now, as I'm building, shit, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, try to reach on all topics, you know? And that shit, because at the end of the day, life go on and problems. Recycle, recycle, recycle, new problems come about, and it's just going to be nothing.

When you're talking about real shit, when you're talking about to shoot them up, bang, bang shit, it's a lot of ways that you could kill a nigga, but these niggas ain't gonna talk about every fucking way that you kill a nigga. They're going to just talk about shooting them every fucking time. Like, when we ain't, a nigger don't be trying to hear that shit every time.

So shit, you know, It's life problems. It's easier to talk about life problems than it is to talk about shooting. Right. You know what I'm saying? Definitely. But are you the kind of guy where you're like always on the edge of being in a relationship? Oh, hell no.

Are you tempted by it? I ain't like that though, nah, because I don't see, I don't be, I don't fall in love easy. I ain't that type. I got, I be, I'm good at keeping it at friendship level. You feel what I'm saying? but where I fuck up at is I it ain't

people be falling in love feel me I don't fall in love I make the other person fall in love and I don't be meaning to do that shit for real

like that shit get bad like everybody want to be Tusi and have all the girls until y'all have too si problems like yo

that shit is terrible yeah because you're like a terrorist going out there and just spreading your fucking making all these girls fall in love with you

and then leaving them like fucking hurt and wounded I don't be meaning to do that, though. I love them, though. You feel what I'm saying? I love them.

I got love for them, but I don't be meaning to hurt their ass. They ever be coming out and exposing you? They call me Chip Skylark. Posting a video, are you sleeping or nothing? No. No. Oh, yeah. You know what's so crazy, bro?

Not so boom, right? And, like, you know, if they ever do that, I'll just hit them up and I'll tell them like, yo, like, come on, don't do that. You know what I'm saying? Because at the end of the day, I'm still cool with a lot of the girls that I, like, you know, I, my, my, my, my, my, my, thing my biggest problem is i don't have females take pictures in my bathroom oh yeah everybody know my bathroom i don't have like four girls take pictures in my bathroom you can't stop the selfies man

i can't they like the mirror they like the shy where they like like like i don't even think they like that i think they be knowing right they be knowing like yeah we they know this is a popping ass bathroom right they're gonna know i'm telling you and then they boom i be having to tell them like yo like come on right But I didn't, you feel me, I'll be chilling now. Like, I ain't even near no more. I won't even, you know what's so crazy, though? I'm gonna just, I'm gonna just be honest. Yo, like during Corona, bro, like the beginning.

Right. Man, bro, I flew so many girls out. For real. You started to get addicted to it? Yeah, bro, because I got, I don't be fucking with the girls in my city. Like, I can count on one hand how many girls I don't fuck with in my city. Yeah, no, I was flying them out left and right. cat do you feel like it was a it's like kind of a dangerous habit at a certain point yeah that's what I'm

saying is this like popping pills or something where you're like feels good but this is not good for me in the long run man bro like I was not I wouldn't even too much thought to you I was thinking like damn like I'm a whore yeah but I'm not though so yeah it was always hard for me to be the flyout guy because I'll be you know what though you have sex with him and then it's like fuck now I got to kick it with you for like oh no eight hours till I'm ready to nutty Yeah, no, they already know. But see, ah, damn. Listen, but, but you know what, though?

I'll be having phone with them, feel me? Yeah. It stopped, though, because I had flew this one girl out, and I had liked her. Like, I had liked her. But she was, she was a whore. She was a whore. So I had fucked up because I type had knew she was a whore. But, feel me?

I mean, I don't. Like a little of prostitute, or it's just fucking a million guys that you know. Nah, she was a whore, like she was fucking with all the rappers. Like, I could, like, feel me? I ain't ain't gonna name none of the rappers,

but she was fucking with some of the rappers. And like, I just already had knew that. But I'm like, nah, like, maybe shuddy, like, no. Man, what? She got to the crib. I liked her.

But she one of them, first of all, if you know you were a whore, don't try to be boozy with the pussy. with me. Like, I ain't the type of nigger where like, oh, I could fuck him because I know him. Like, don't try to fuck that nigga because you know you don't like him, but then don't want to fuck me because you like me. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah, doesn't that feel so backwards? You don't want to give me the pussy because you want to be in a relationship with me,

but you don't want to be in a relationship with him, so you're going to fuck him. Don't do that. That's like high school logic. If I don't, if I don't kiss him or fuck him for this period of time, then he's going to fall in love with me. But does that work? I feel like that's pretty good advice for women, honestly. No, they didn't work. It didn't work on you. I would tell my daughter that for sure. Do not hand the pussy over if you like him.

Oh, yeah, for sure. But you know what, though? You know what? I had liked her, right? So being that I liked her, I dropped. Yo, and she got me. She got me. I dropped her off at the airport.

When I dropped her off at the airport, she boohoo crying. She like, you know. I wish I fucked you. Man. So I'm like, I'm thinking like, damn, okay. I'm thinking like, I hate. shit she's crying I'm about to go back to the airport get her fuck like I'm she about to fuck right man I went back got her she ain't even fuck I dropped it back

off again bro she ain't even fuck I'm like nah at that point are you still managing the flights you're buying the flights are you just like buy your own flight nah nah no no nah I ain't like that though yeah yeah I ain't like that I'm I'm gonna buy you take it back home but that's gonna be the last ticket I ever buy you right no cap would never see each other again but do you mostly fuck with normal girls you fuck with sex workers. Only fans, girls, porn stars. I like the only fans girls.

I don't need too much lie to you. I like the only fans girls because the only fans girls be knowing something. Well, they got bread now. They rich. A lot of them are rich as fuck. This is like a new thing. Rich sex.

Normally you had to be a porn star who was like huge to really be making that much money or whatever. Now. Only fans, bitches buying Maybex. Making more money than most rappers. Easily. Easily.

Crazy. Sucking dick. Is that intimidating at all, though? Like meet a girl. She's making quarter million a month off only fans. No. She's kind of like on my level. Nah.

I ain't out of that. Kind of like these Spotify checks. But you know what, though? You know what though? When you were a rapper, the only fans, you must love you. Something about, I'm telling you, you ask any rat. I be asking all my rap homies, you feel me?

Yeah, bro. The only fans, bids, bids, be fucking with y'all. They be all in their DMs. I'm telling you, they blow your ass down. I feel like the OnlyFans girl is kind of like the girl version of being a rap. Yeah, I'd be like a normal with you, men. It's like you guys are kind of meeting on common territory. You're popular.

You got money. You know, it's like you're looked at by your peers with awe and envy. No cat. No cat. But, okay, could you see yourself being with a girl out of OnlyFans? That's been like kind of a conversation in rap, like certain people saying like, oh, girl got OnlyFans, never going to get wiped up, whatever. It is what it is.

Like, you do what you. Honestly, if I like you, I like you. I don't care what you do. Like, if I like you, I like you. Just don't be up there sucking like a thousand dicks. Thousands a lot, yeah. Yeah, a thousand a lot. A hundred.

Seven in a row? You see the girl in here talking about that? Seven in a row? If you knew your girl's like seven and seven basketball players off in a row, would that be weird for you? It would make you look at her different? Hell yeah. Hell yeah.

And if you're going to let them niggas dribble on the court, then dribble their nuts in them out. But would you be one of the basketball players if you were in that position and six of your homies that just got sucked up? You'd be like, yeah, and fuck it. Wait, hold on, hold on, say it again. If you were with, say you were in the NBA

and you were with six of your homies and you just ended up in a hotel room with some random girl, and she wanted to suck everybody off. Oh, I ain't even that type nigga. You don't run through it like that. Man, hell, nah. I ain't about to be in no room

with no nigga when I. Hell, nah. That shit ain't that. Hey, and you know what's so crazy? Yeah, I'm about to expose my homies because I got some homies, I got some homies that be doing that. They be running trains on bitches and shit and, you know, that's what y'all do.

Any nigga out there that, you know, if y'all like to run trains on females and all the types of shit, cool, do what y'all, I ain't that type nigga. I don't want to be in no another room with no dick out, no none of that. Don't do that with me. I'm cool.

Right. I'm all right. I'll be upstairs. I've done that shit in my life plenty of times. I know. Yeah. I know. He have to.

Yeah. Y'all probably did it together. He's actually married to my sister. Oh, God. Okay. Next topic, though. That's tell you. Hey.

Now, for real, for a, though, is he really married to your sister? So, bro, how that feels? How would feel to have him married to your sister? Because I always told my homies, like, I don't even play my homies, like, talking to my sister. Like honestly, I'd be a lot more worried about my sister dating you than him. I'm a good dude. I don't think. It's not that I think you're a bad dude.

I just feel like dating too-see would come with some complications. Nah, definitely do. It would be a wild ride to hop on. But whoever, yeah, pause. But whoever do, though, you feel what I'm saying? They're a lucky girl. Right. I don't take care of them, no care.

You're the man sister, though. You're the man sister. That's crazy. He put a couple kids in her. Yeah. Word. You got to take care of her, bro. Right.

I'm pretty sure you do, man. You plan on having any kids soon? Yeah. Oh, whoa. Hold on. Hold on. The last part threw me up a little bit. Now, I assume, man.

Like, if I, yo, if I ain't have such a crazy female fan base, I'll tell them something, but I don't want them to be at my door. You feel what I'm saying? I don't want, I don't want no kids soon. But I don't know if I want to tell them Because you know my shit about the drop And like I don't want my you know What?

Myself's gonna go down If you're in a relationship Yeah bro No I'm lying I'm lying No you're not I've seen it on your story And I was looking at her comments

And all the comments were Oh my God Why did Tusi post her He finally posted a girl Alright check me out Check me out check me out Check me out right That's not my girl

But I fuck with her But I don't You feel me At the end of the day Tusi's still single. She's single. She do what she want. I do what I want. But I fuck with her. So when y'all see her, treat her with respect. Okay. You should actually check in on her because she, she was thinking about pulling an all-nighter last night because she has two midterms.

Yo, you be lurking. Yo, that is crazy. Did she pull the all-nighter? Yeah. Well, can we call her and see? She also has her own lashes brand, which I thought was pretty cool. Can we call her? Yeah, yeah, it's dope. What is like, you know. This is pretty tight. She don't answer. Viral. Hey, she might be in her fucking.

Is this the first, like, time somebody? No, definitely not. But, you know, this could just prove, we're going to find out if she pulled the all-nighter or not. Yeah, let's find out. All-nighter, brutal, man. Fuck that shit. She did good, though. What about them, Mike?

Oh, yeah. She might be at work. See, I like, I like girls, you know, who got a job, businesses and shit like that. So much respect. for that yeah yeah she had work she doing lashes right now man that's pretty badass that you finally posted a girl though yeah she'd call me back but yeah she'd call back but you know we have to to be continued yeah we're gonna find out but so is that scary for you you're like a boy band guy where you're like you're worried that the girls are gonna yeah catch feelings huh um yeah more definitely

like justin beber yeah they call me the black justin bueber i can see that actually too you know Justin Bieber LL2J, Chip Skylark. Your name. That's badass. Yeah. But so, yeah. I think I'm, I think, I think I'm going to name my next album, Chip Skylark. Really?

Yeah. Might as well. I like it. It's like chicks tape, but it's Chip, Chip, Schuy-Lark. Right. How do you feel about that? Toy Lines, getting a lot of, a lot of flack right now? Yeah.

I ain't even going to speak on it. Yeah. I ain't going to speak on it. It's a weird position to be in, right? Whereas, like, if you were to believe everything in the news, Yeah. It's a tough one for, I'm assuming you've got a fan of his listening to his music in the past a lot. Most definitely.

I'm going to say, I'm going to say I don't support, you know, that type of, that type of action, but I ain't going to speak on it. Just because, simply because, you know, I'm going to put it like this. I'm a real dude, you feel what I'm saying? So, being that I'm real, if I fuck with you before. you did some flaw shit I can't help that you did something that I wasn't

if I was there it would have been different but I wasn't there so I can't speak on that but you know like I say I ain't going to speak on it whatever it happened you know I'm praying for Meg praying for the both of them yeah definitely

um okay so this new project that's coming out actually tonight I believe because we're dropping this album I believe on Thursday, the same Thursday that was probably just coming out. You got features on there besides Summer Walker, or, you know, how does that work? Because I feel like a lot of dudes in your position end up relying on rappers a lot to make this shit pop off, and you don't really seem to do that.

Yeah. Actually, Summer Walker was my first feature. Right. But I got a song up there with dirt. Right, right. Okay, true. Yeah, I have a song up there with dirt. But I would put you and him in, he's a little bit more of a rapper, I guess.

But you guys, like, he's really blossomed into a guy who's really much more focused on the melody over the years, which I think is a big part of why he's such a legend now. It's crazy because he started off, you know, with the drill. With the drill rapping, you know what I'm saying? But over time, you know, people just start to see, like, with my album, the first four songs on my album, it's nothing like what people are going to think it's like.

They're more of temple songs, you know. And then it hit that fifth song. and shit just like it real. Right. How many songs? 18. 18. 18 songs.

Is that because you wanted to do as much numbers as possible so you make the album long or did you feel like you had to include as really? It was longer before. Yeah, it was 21 songs and then we shortened it because you know we people with tension spend so, so you know we want to keep them, keep them near. Right. If we need to will, we might go back and add songs. So you're in the position where like, you know, you could have put out a 40 song project if you wanted to but you have to have to, but you have to have to have to. to like trim it down you got to make it shorter what's that what's that heartbreak on the full moon is that by chris brown oh yeah because he put out like a 50 song project or something i could have did that

right i could have did that tell chris next year i'm coming for him right yeah 70 songs i heard drake having that conversation and he's it must be so crazy for him because he's got like rap shit and rmb and he's got to somehow trim it down to like 18 songs working all the time yeah and So, and shout out to Drake because I just feel like, you know, when it comes to the melodic artists, I feel like, like, Drake is the definition of where a lot of melodic artists want to be. Like, we never want to be put in that one category where it's to, yeah, you're just a singing ass rapper or you a rapper, rapper. Drake is considered an artist, you know, and that's something that all artists, well, all

So every melodic artist wants to be considered, you know. Yeah, that's really the lane that I'm aiming for. Like, I don't want people to look at me and be like, yeah, he'd be singing too much. So yeah. That's really one of Drake's biggest contributions to rap, that one of the main things that he changed is he made it so that an artist like you could be viewed as a rapper, a singer,

and it didn't really matter anymore. That was like a huge shift. It doesn't got to a point where I really, I don't care with people like consider me. Like, if you consider me a singer, you consider me a singer, consider me a singer. You consider me a rapper. You consider me a rapper. I'd rather be considered the artist, you know, because I could do both. Right. Did you start out as more of a straight rapper? Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, you know, for the people that was

around when I was doing that, like, they know, like, I started off, like, rapping, rapping. Like, I started off rapping out the car. Feel what I'm saying? And it elevated, but, um, yeah, I just, whatever people consider me to be, I don't care as long as you like my music. One of the things I thought was really interesting when I was watching that love cycle video is that all the comments were like about how dope it was that you had a dark skin video girl or shock that you had a dark skin video girl, which I did not realize was going to be such a shock. Was that like a very intentional choice? And do you feel like dark skinned women are like not properly represented in rap videos? Yes. They sent me a hundred 13, like 100 light skin girls.

I'm like no no no no no dark skin that's that's what we're aiming for what other video I just did I had a dark skin girl right you another one I saw too right the poetic pain right the poetic pain video dark skin like feel me like nothing against you know any any any any color but I just feel like dark skin girls is overshadowed like yeah we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna make that a norm like come on yeah yeah y y y y y'all start putting dark skin girls with y'all videos because that shit fucked up i don't like that right just like is it your personal preference or is it just something where you feel like they're not represented as beautiful as frequently as they should i feel like so um you know i know i know people that's not comfortable

with their skin complexion you know what i'm saying um i know people that get picked on because of their skin complexion i got a home boy that's black is my phone you know what i'm saying at the end of the day I feel like everybody should feel love, everybody should feel beautiful. Um, and if starting with a few music videos, it's gonna make it happen, shit, we gonna do that. Like, it's gonna happen. Yeah. You get a lot of support from the fans for that? Yeah, I guess so.

I don't really be paying attention to it, feel me? Because it ain't, like, I ain't one of those type people like, hey, look what I did. Right. So, like, I don't know. I don't think, I guess so. Like, yeah, you say you see the comments, so, yeah. I don't never really be, look. I'll be looking at my YouTube comments sometimes.

Right. Like, just for the funny stuff. But is it weird for you because you're an artist who sort of came up out the mud from like, you know, you grind it up from nothing on the internet primarily in terms of building a fan base? And you probably used to be able to, like, respond to a large percentage of your fans and really be able to interact with Michelle. But you've kind of gotten big enough that that's probably got to be a challenge. Like, how do you think about that?

Yeah, I know. I ain't get too big for that, though. I still talk to the fans. But I'll be eating their ass up on the internet. I'll be looking for the comments where people be talking shit because really those the comments that keep me humble You know so I'll be looking for the I don't be looking for them, but they pop up and when they pop up I be eating their ass up I tear their ass up right anything they say they be talking about my hats They say my hats be big somebody said it looked like my hat swallow my head

I'd be you know what size hats you were seven and three eight seven and one eights right So just like it a little loose in there yeah I like it a little loose more room to think right back in the day oh my God, if you've seen some of these dudes who used to be around the diplomats and shit back in the day, the hats were so big sitting over their ears. That's nothing compared to that. Yeah, for sure. Tell you. Tell them, tell them, I'm good. They shit used to be huge.

Right. You never had dreads? No, I did. You did. That's crazy. How do you know that? I don't know. I was just wondering because it's always like a complication when you rock hats and you have dres.

All of a sudden you have to be buying like the biggest hat in the fucking world. I feel like you was lurking again. I just, no, I didn't see that, but I just have a huge head. So I was like, damn, if I had dreadlocks, there's no hat that would fit off for this. No, I did. I used to have dreads for real. Right. Yeah, that was the small dreads, though, like ducky dress.

Okay. And I'm just like that. You couldn't see yourself going back? Yeah, I did want to go back, actually. But, you know, Shorthy been telling me not that, you know what I mean? So I've been chilling. Right. Yo, so before we go any farther, you know, y'all don't get mad at me, feel me?

Because, like I said, don't got a girlfriend. So let's still stream the album, please. And leave her alone. Yeah. I'll leave her alone if y'all make me go number one. Y'all, we go number one, I leave surely alone. I caught her right now to her, yo. Right.

We done if I go number one. You know what I meant when I said earlier. Just kidding. A lot of like people in your position end up just putting a rapper on every song. And that's like how they try to go big. It's like we're gonna get all the hot rappers on every fucking song. Because listen, this always been my thing, right? If one of my songs blow up, that's a feature,

I'm gonna be pissed to the highest level of pistivity because I worked so hard to get here and y'all listen to this shit only because this person on it. I don't like that. Nah. So I be trying, and I don't be fucking with people. Feel me, that shit don't be genuine. So I don't, like somewhere, that shit was genuine.

You feel what I'm saying? Dirk, that shit was genuine. Like, anybody, if that shit genuine, cool, let's do it. If not, fuck you. I respect that for sure. You had a bar where you said that your homie smashed so many girls out of back page that you kind of had to let him out the crew. No cat.

You know it was just taking over his life or what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I say, and your main folks who the fuck a bitch off the back page. Yeah. Like, basically saying, like, feel me? Yeah, your main focus is getting pussy. And you won't, trying to make money.

You feel what I'm saying? we're into two different things, you know? You're going to sink the shit. Oh, hey, about your business. Yeah, that could be a problem for sure. We don't do that. We don't never put no female before the money. And, like, if I'm constantly telling you, like,

yo, like, all that shit that you're doing, the money, the female's going to come when the money come. If I'm constantly telling you, like, yo, you're chasing the wrong thing, and you continue to chase that shit, I'm going to cut you off. I don't care how I've. long you've been around on none of that.

Like, I'm gonna cut you off because shit, like, and when I say cut you off, like, I might not, not, I know, cut you off for good, but you're not gonna be around when we're doing the shit that we're doing because at the end of the day, shit, we don't got the same, we don't envision the same shit. Shit, when you, when you're ready

and you focus, let's get back to it. But have you found a girl yet who really understands, like, how much work you have to put in and how on your grind, you have to be to try to to accomplish this thing that you've been building all these years? Almost definitely, you feel what I'm saying? Like, Shorty definitely understand it. Like, you know, see, she, she's the type female, she don't even like the, she won't, she

know all my music, but she's shy, she a shy person. So she don't, being that she a shy person, she'd be scared to put my music up on the internet, like, because everybody in the city know me. Right. We live in the same city. She put my music up on the internet. It's like, so you mess with Tuesday. You know what I'm saying?

Like, so, but she, she tried to sneak share my post, like, and stuff like that. You know, she, she, she makes little tweets and all the types of stuff. She'll cry, baby, but she, she understands it. She know I'll be working. Sometimes we won't talk all day. Right. It's crazy how if you're a popular rapper and you start hanging out with a regular girl, that all of a sudden, her world is just going to get rocked by having people deeming her

and commented. It just like, just becomes a huge fixation for all these random people. It's terrible. It's terrible. You ever worry about making girls famous? Yeah.

Give them too much power. They might become out of control with it. I'd be, I'd just be worried about, you know, like, this is somebody who wants to be a dentist. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what she in dental school. Like, she ain't asked to be living my lifestyle.

Right. So, like, shit, I'll be trying to keep that shit out the way, too. There's a lot of things that you might, have to deal with that in the dental world might be looked at differently yeah i seen you posing with guns on the gram you're not over that yet i knew they were props i didn't want to be able to say i was like those are those are music video guns fake you know i feel like it's the same gun that everybody in l.a got for the music videos okay big wooden piece on the oh yeah it just looks something

about the way but they'd never know right so you just have fun with it yeah right but i do like to go to the gun range though i do go to the gun range i go to the gun range like three times a week Really? It makes you feel good just to be in practice with it? Oh, yeah. I'm going to quit. Like, for real, for real. A lot of people out there with guns, I don't think they know how to use them. Nah, you got to clean your guns. I'll take all my guns apart, you know, anything that I, you know. Right. So. You're like that.

What else, like, because I feel like when I'm watching interviews with you, that a lot of the people interviewing you were just sort of doing the thing where they hear something interesting about you in another interview. and so they just start talking about this thing that they already heard disgust. I know that gets in your, there's a pain in the ass, right? Yeah, man, but I don't, you feel me? I play it off. Right. I let it go.

What's the shit about you that is interesting as fuck that people don't know about or like, just stuff that, like, because it's got to be more to you that the world doesn't know about yet, right? It's a lot of things. I don't drink. Right.

I don't smoke. I got a shopping habit. Uh, What else? Where do you do your shopping? Everywhere. Online shopper and shit? Because I know that you got some rare Supreme on right now.

Yeah. Oh, I got this from Cool Kicks, though. But I'll be trying to get the stuff that people don't have. Look at it. Okay. See these. He's called Cause Force. Okay.

These $3,000 shoes. But they Jordans, though. You feel what I'm saying? Like, any Jordans that, like, people don't be having and stuff, I be trying to buy them shit. Like, I got to... I'm... Guns, Jordans, and cars.

That's, that's, that's, that's, like, I want to open my own gun shop for the people that don't know, like, on some, on a good cause. Like, you know, not, not illegal guns and, like, all types of things like that. Don't open an illegal gun shop. No, we ain't, we don't, feel me, I don't, like, anything that y'all ever see, if it do be real, it's, it's legal license, like, feel me, I want to open my own gun store, though. Right. You know, that's just something that I want to do a gun store. I like shoes. and I like cars.

Right. How many pairs of shoes you got at the crib? I don't know. Right. Too many. Hundreds? Yes. And they all like some exclusive shit.

You name it. I got it. And every day you just sort of look at them and just ponder. Like, how fly shall I get today? Yeah, bro. I literally wake up. Like, I don't care if I'm just going outside. I get dressed.

You feel me? But you know what, though? You know who I like, who be fly? I fuck with Key Glock Kee Glock be fly as hell I was actually thinking when I was watching shit that you guys kind of reminded me of each other with the teeth and like

sort of similar style-wise Man Kie Glock be fly as hell I fuck with Memphis niggas in general like Memphis niggas be fly I fuck with that shit They pop their shit I like that Key Glock's a great guy

Could you imagine getting in the studio with him What's stopping that? We gotta break down these egos Break down the barriers And bring these artists together But you know what though Listen A lot of C

That's the thing too I think a lot of the But nah though That ain't the thing Because I be seeing I meet a lot of street niggas Like real like feel me Because I'm a chill nigga

I ain't no nigga that's in the streets I'll be chilling I don't feel me I'll be in the house watching Netflix Right My homie's whatever the fuck they do That's what they do I'll be in the house watching Netflix

Boom I meet a lot of street niggas And I think some of the street niggas be thinking I only make love songs So if If y'all out there and y'all thinking that, y'all might need to come fuck with a niggins put your line to that side.

No cap. But I don't only do that, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, that shit only not like that. A nigga are an artist, you know what I'm saying? But he Glock, though, tell him, come on. I fuck with his shit. Yeah.

You guys just kind of remind each other personality-wise, too. So I don't know. I fuck with Glock. I feel like he'll lay back, nigga, he chill. Where are some other rappers that you really fuck with as a... Being that you don't really even make the type of music that they make, but you fuck with... Yeah.

With what they're doing. I fuck with Key Glock. I fuck with Rye Wave. Mm. I fuck with little baby. I fuck with Key Glock, Rive, little baby. I fuck with young boy, young boy, everybody. Who else I fuck with?

Man, it's a lot of artists. I fuck with the... Of course, I fuck with dirt. You know, I fuck with Vaughn. Um... Let's just go one. This just go on and nah. Did you see the thing with P&B rock and rod wave going back and forth about the emotional

type music? Yeah, but you know what's crazy I fuck with P&B too. Yeah He really was like very early on some stuff that's pretty popular now sound wise, you know? So but see like I ain't you know like I say I ain't I ain't I ain't the type of nigga I'd be in the middle of shit like that like I'd never like if I see a post like that I'd never like like that shit coming on that shit like that's them they they too grown man easier to just stay out of it and shit like that's just stay out of it and shit like that's just stay out of it and shit. Yeah, they grown. I fuck with Kodak. Kodak hard. I fuck with Kodak free. Man, what?

It's a big loss for the culture, not having him around. Man, Kodak is so fucking hard. Like, if you really listen. Yo, I listen to a song Kodak made when he's like 16. Yes. Codick so hard. So it's crazy. He had like the ultimate old soul effect, which you have too, by the way, because it's crazy that you're only 20.

Yeah, bro, I'm only 20. A lot of people, people be thinking I'm like 24 or 25. Oh, yeah, easy. You seem like you have a little, you've seen a lot. Yeah, for so, for so. Definitely. One of the best PNB rock songs ever

is that one with Kodak. He told me he wrote that in prison. Oh, my God. And I swear I don't shit. I might get a little, that tugs in my heartstrings. Listen to that. Hey, y'all.

I said not day goes by. And PNB said he was singing that in jail for like, years. Yeah. And then he got out, did it, and got Kodak on it, and it was a huge hit. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Money. Yeah. Yeah. They went crazy. That's a fact. Okay. So, yeah, the gun store, we opening in the gun store. We open in a sneaker store. I got to do something for the kids, too. You think it was important to give back at this point, too?

Yeah, most definitely. At the end of the day, that's who I do it for. Like, you know, at the end of the day that like yeah i know what it's like growing up being a kid and not having shit you know being a kid not having a shit being a kid not having nobody look up to like yeah for sure so whenever i ride you know the kids see my car you know they see me you know um that should just be motivation and it'll be wrong and not give back to the kids i got to do something for the kids definitely so i might open up my own community center really that's a long-term play huh something like that Right. Something big. The album?

Is this like, you know, I've heard people say like rappers just put out, they just call it mixtapes or projects until one of them does really good, then they call it an album. Is that how this is or is this actually the album? I call all my shit's albums. Okay. Because it's album worthy. I don't care if that shit. I feel like people look at, people overlook mixtapes. If you say mixtape, people overlook it.

So I'm going to say album regardless. even if it ain't an album i'm saying album because shit it's album worthy so shit that's what we're gonna call it but people don't know like in the music world like it's certain certain things that that has to happen uh has to be delivered in order for your your your project to be considered the album right like it got to be a certain amount of minutes have a certain amount of songs like you know like they have a certain certain requirements like certain things can be on the pictures for the cover art like all types of shit. Oh, really?

That shit different, yeah. But a lot of people don't know that. Definitely. They'd be like, yeah, hell, yeah. Seven songs, this is my album. All, buddy. Nah, no, the EP never going to count. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're going to have to drop the deluxe version. Are you going to do that? You got that in the stash? Might. Right. I don't know. But what's the point to dropping a deluxe when I could drop a whole other tape?

Just more sales. That's what people would normally do it for? Fuck it. You're not concerned about that whole, like, sales mentality. where everybody's out here doing merch bundles and going crazy, trying to prove themselves that way? Nah, because I feel like when you focus on that,

you lose the fun. You know, you're getting too caught up in the numbers. I try to not, like, don't need come to me with the numbers, no, none of that. You know, I try to leave that up to them. So, like, yeah, they go crazy. They got that, you know. I got my team in here.

They got me. I respect it. You're gonna be on tour one of these days. You feel like you have any clue when you could possibly be doing shows again? Have you been doing little shows here and there? I'm gonna start my own tour next year. Like we already, and it works, working on it.

I just found out I got booked for rolling out Portugal. Wow. I don't even fucking know where Portugal is at. It's in Europe. How is they gonna send me across the fucking country? And my first time being booked for Rolla Lyle was this year and it was supposed to be in, where was that, Miami? Was that Miami?

We were supposed to do the Miami shit And y'all gonna send me across the country before I even get to do the shit here. Right. That shit fucked me up. Yeah, I know. I was thinking about that. Like, I gotta go to this shit.

I can't wait to hear their accents when they singing that shit. Really? That shit gonna kill me. I might bust out mid-performance. Yeah, that is what's gonna be crazy. It's like, what does Portugal want from a rolling loud? Like, what artists are gonna be pop it out there? But they've been tagging me like, yo.

Right. Feel me? Like, yo, we excited. Toosy come in, I got it. Yo, I'm going to be honest with you, bro. I don't know the map. So where the fuck is, like, what is that by? I'm really bad with the map, too.

I just know it's in Europe. Can anybody tell them? What is that by? Is that by UK? Portugal. You want to find it on a map? I'll just bring it up real quick. Feel me?

Near Spain. Right, that makes sense. So this is what I'm saying, right? That shit about to be crazy, though. We're going to figure it out right now. That shit about to be crazy. I mean, if you haven't really been to fucking Europe in general, it's what it is what it is.

I eat it. I'm like, yo, I fuck with you. I'm coming. Whatever. It's just a fucking picture of a shape on that. It don't mean nothing. Yeah, but now, whatever that's by, though, I'm coming. Like, you know, we coming. That's lit, though. But I wonder if there's going to be a lot of American rap fans who are like, man, we ain't been to a festival or a concert. It's so long. We've been saving money by not going on this other shit.

Fuck it. Let's go to Portugal and see all these artists. I think it is going to be like that, though. I feel like that shit is going to be crazy. Like, shout out to Portugal. When I say it like that, it makes me think, like, fuck, maybe I should. should go out there for that shit oh that shit about to be crazy man spain spain imagine i'm gonna get security in spain or what am i going to do i'm gonna go portugal portugal bodyguard okay hey listen you got it portugal shooters yeah you got it you got you got to find something somebody you know we're

out there oh yeah we out there with security though maybe i'm going to portugal yeah let us know we got security a lot of different concerns once you go to portugal big monstrous ufc fighters Oh yeah, yeah, because I don't think they can have guns and stuff out there. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I think they'd be punching shit out. I was backstage at a show in the UK, bro, and I seen one dude had a security guard who maybe was like seven and a half feet tall, like giant buff fucking white dude who looked like he was like on. He had punched the shit out of you. I was like, yo, that is such a flex to have a security guard that when they walk in the room, every single person is just staring like, what the fuck is this?

And then imagine somebody I just woke up and slapped the shit out of him and he cried. Viral. Oh, yeah, no, I was picturing him. Somebody smacking him and then him. Just falling. Yeah. Damn. All right, Tusi, bro. It was amazing to have you on here. A big, big fan of the music. People definitely need to listen to the project, which is coming out tonight as you watch this.

Most definitely the big step of the well-known flex to the girlfriend, ass crissor. Might fuck your bitch in the Tesla, Nissan or Honda, whatever she wanna. Ask your mama. Hotel Rwanda. Oh, my God. See, I got words. Is you wherever. Yeah, I've been working on it.

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