No Jumper - The Trapzilla Interview: Lil Peep, Mexican Gang Politics, 6ix9ine, Riff Raff & More

Episode Date: September 12, 2021

Trapzilla and his friends took over No Jumper to talk about the negative effects from rappers and record labels promoting g*ns, dr*gs, the jail system and the lack of education. Stamps by Eli Mcfly https://www.instagram.com/eli518mcfly/ ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper. Coolest podcast in world. Today I'm in here with Trappzilla. What up, brother? How you feeling? Feeling really good, man. You're one of the more interesting people that I know. We've always talked about doing a podcast together.

And I figured, you know, what else are we doing? We've got to try this side. We've got to see what's going on. And as soon as I hit you up about it, I said, what should we talk about? And you sent me back a fucking list of some of the craziest shit I ever heard all kinds of, like, shit, It's spanning... It's been a wild road, bro. It's definitely been a wild road.

It's banning the entirety of human history, it felt like. You know, bro, I've just been around a lot of different people, a lot of different waves. I've lived pretty much all over the country. But at the end of the day, I'm a Mexican from Southern California. And I think that kind of plays into a lot of things I'm going to be doing in the future. I played a big part in all the South Florida kids when they kind of moved out here. It's kind of make sure they were good when they were here. Everyone from Pump, PURP, Nick, Puyah, shit, Lonar, all of them.

I mean, every pound of weed you ever saw these kids take a picture with pretty much mine in my house. I mean, you kind of experienced the trap a little bit. Right, because I think I only went over there once, but it was, it was the first, I think, first time the Lilnar ever recorded a verse, right? Yep. Bizar. No, I was a good kid, man. It was definitely a good kid. Over the past couple years, I guess we've all kind of moved to our own separate waves, that makes any sense. I'm not the kind of person to put pressure on anybody to fuck with me at the end of the day. Okay. You know what I mean? I'm proud of that they were able to build everything they were able to build out of there.

You know what I mean? I definitely got a lot of love for all those kids. Everyone from Germ, Nick, all of them lived in my fucking house at one point. Right. How did that end up happening? Well, I was in a penthouse in Miami. I was running a call center out there and doing a bunch of other stuff. And I just saw a Fat Nick video and I invited them over to the crib. I started off as an EDM DJ, like doing like trap shit, playing festivals and all that kind of shit.

So my initial run with them was to start doing music with them to bring them into that world. I think things got a little bit more involved than I really ever intended to with them, if that made any sense. because they all moved to LA, like shortly after I moved to LA as well. Okay. And I just noticed they didn't have any really homies out here whatsoever. And they run around with chains and all the other shit. You know what I mean? Just wanted to make sure they were good.

And this city, I think there's a lot of ability to just run safely and run properly if you move with the right people. Right. So I think a lot of the reasons why you didn't see these kids get robbed for a lot of ten purposes was because they were fucking with me at that point. I don't think anybody really wanted to have that issue with me at that point either. And I made it known that they were safe with me. Right. For sure. Okay, but give me some more like early backstory, like where exactly you're from?

I grew up here in Panama City in the San Fernando Valley, went to the high schools out here. Pretty much every one of them got kicked out at that point. I started working in call centers, started moving a lot of weed around the same time. That moved me to Phoenix, Arizona for a couple years as well. I'm lived in Dallas, Texas, doing the same thing. Just making money. You know what I mean? That's been the most focus point of my life.

You know what I mean? At this point, I'm just especially having two kids and everything else. I'm way more observant on what my influence in the music world can mean for kids like me that grew up in these areas. I've seen the, it's been weird, bro. I mean, LA radio, I think you saw Drakeo today kind of go off on LA DJs, not playing the shit. Oh, really? And I think we all have a degree of understanding that LA radio has never been representative of L.A. kids whatsoever. I mean, you very rarely hear a Mexican kid besides O'Gizi really hit the radio at this point right now.

And that's bad. That's new. They really weren't playing on the radio until he got these features with like Ace Boogie or whatever the case may be. I feel like that's the case everywhere, though, because everybody in New York will forever be complaining about them not playing anything underground. And it's like maybe there's some places like in Atlanta, maybe where you hear a bit more of like the shit that's going on that's not huge yet. Definitely. I mean, the major corporations play a part in that. Everyone from Clear Channel and the like. I mean, these radio DJs really don't have the freedom to play whatever they want.

Right. And who listens to the radio? You fucking women on their way to work at Weight Watchers and shit. Surprisingly, a lot of fucking people. I mean, a majority of music listeners you see on radio or representative of other areas, you know what I mean? So it's the security guards at work. It's a lot of different people.

But at the end of the day, when you're getting radio play, it's this free promotion. At the end of the day, it's going to push you in a lot of different areas. And I don't think any radio DJ has really taken the time or effort to really force these kids onto these playlists. And I see them really move for certain managers and certain types of people in the sense. but at this point, I just think there really needs to be a wave of kids that look like the kids that are actually listening.

Because they do listen to radio at the end of the day. A lot of these kids aren't even that tech savvy. I mean, we have this new generation that's solely focused on YouTube. YouTube has kind of become radio as well. They kind of made their own waves. I mean, there's kids like peso, money signs, Swifty Blue, and a lot of these other kids that have really positioned themselves on their own. And not even really putting out that much music either. So it's kind of trippy to see these major labels, like, really like,

focus on them and sign them so quickly, but I just don't think they're really putting the developmental budgets behind them or really putting the mindsets behind them that need to happen. I mean, at the end of the day, these labels can put people on the radio if they want with the proper radio budgets, pay to play in every situation. Right. I think that they just don't really see that being like a valuable, you know,

tool that it's kind of like if you're going to clearly be showing the momentum that you're going to get to that level, or if they really feel like they can turn you into that kind of artist, otherwise I feel like the costs are just so prohibitive that to take O'GZ and turn him into this, like, radio artist that has radio hits on the radio all the time. I mean, it's going to be so goddamn expensive. And I don't feel like they really see that. I think they make enough money to do it.

Yeah. At the end of the day, I think a lot of people have a misconception of how much money is actually involved on those shit. I mean, you see it with these major labels when you go into these offices in New York. Like, when I took smoke perp to New York to meet with all the labels, it was pretty interesting just to see, like, the desire they had, the kind of offices they had. It's like, dude, there's big fucking money moving here. It's all bullshit, they say it's not. The reality is, in the advertising and everything else, streaming or sinking in the whole nine yards,

there's a lot of money moving around, and I don't think it's representative of the people that are actually listening. One out of four kids that are coming in the United States, are Latinos under the age of 18. I think we're going to see a huge demographic shift happening as well. And the labels are the managers and the people that have influence in that are paying attention. I mean, you see everyone from TK signing every Mexican kid he can at this point,

like, from Bravo to the like, you know what I mean? So I just think there needs to be a, more solid understanding of the history of Los Angeles and kind of like what these radio markets mean at this point it with Mexican influence in the radio and media I mean right now what do we have like foods gone wild pretty much representing everything I'm Mr. E or save yourself if you want to call him you I mean he's a I could tell there's a there's a respect but there's a lack of overall respect when it comes to the imagery of the SoCal Latino or a Mexican or the case may be I think it's been so focused on making fun of and making jest of every single

thing that I don't think they would do with other cultures. I mean, if there was like a, let's say, black's gone wild or whites gone wild, I don't know if it would end so pretty as well in those situations. And I don't think people would really, we have a, as a culture, we are very, very. But I mean, we do. We have World Star and then we have Barstool. Barstool, yes.

That kind of plays into it, but there's a- Who's gone wild could be a fucking $20 million a year business if they went full Mexican bar stool, don't you think? You don't definitely if they were to get, the right advertisers behind them. But, you know, there's... Investors. I think there's a understanding that the kind of stuff that they push on there is just

completely making fun of the SoCal Latino. See, I feel like it's kind of transformed into more of like an overall general interest Latino culture type thing. I don't know. I think the SoCal Mexican is a much different beast than what's assumed, I think. I mean, I think that dude's from San Diego for my mistake and save yourself the mystery duty. The one who started that.

if you look at some of the videos that have gone viral, I mean, none of these people agreed to kind of go viral with these situations. You got actually, you got that one dude, you know, I don't live to live dude video guy. Like, he's constantly getting harassed on the streets. You know, I mean, because these videos, and he never got paid a dime for him. And these, like, they built up on top of these dudes that they really went with.

Some of the guys that they've posted over the years, you know what I mean, got taken down pretty quick because they were the wrong people to post like that. But I think the overall message is that maybe we shouldn't be the butt of joke so often if that makes sense you know i mean i just think there's a lack of respect when it comes to the entirety of the mexican culture in southern california when the focus is so based on that completely i see little mr egan a record deal before most of the other kids out here you i mean i'm pretty sure he has offers on the table but he put the clown nose and the mask on for a reason i think he's going to keep it that way for a long time as well who is this i don't know the dude the dude who runs fool's

gone wild oh okay okay he kind of keeps his name out of the mix as well i think there's a reasoning behind that as well. Okay. Much respected, dude. I mean, anyone who could build a platform like that, you know what I mean?

I never really thought about who ran for was going to while until I saw a boy boy west coast, threatening to kill him. Oh, yeah, that was interesting.

I mean, good old boy boy West Coast, I bet you got some feelings about him. No, not necessarily, brother, at the end of the day, you know, he is a homie. He's definitely a Southern California

Mexican at the end of the day and I have my respect. But it's just funny to me when the labels throw so much money at that kind of situation based on that little blip of virality that he had. It's been interesting to watch, to say the least.

That is another good example, though, of people, like, it seems like when this shit goes viral, it's more the extreme version of it that they can laugh at, not the version of it that they can relate to and actually genuinely fuck with the music. I think one of the interesting things that's been happening as well is that if you're a black and you're a rapper and you're affiliated with the hood, that's totally fine in every major label's boardroom in the whole line yards. but if you're actually a gang-banging Mexican or Southern California and Latino at the end of the de los Rhenio, to represent that culture has kind of got you blackballed in the industry for a large extent.

Unless, let's say you're someone like the traditional, like, let's say Latin hip-hop dudes over the years, you're everyone from Little Rob, Mr. Capone, and everyone alike. But they kind of built their own little platforms. You know what I mean? I'm not sure if they're re-representative

of this generation of kids at all. There's definitely a generation. Yeah, yeah, completely. And I see a lot of focus on the media and podcasts that focus on those dudes. I mean, they got kids like Paiso's like only like 16, 17 years old. And the money signs Wade. What is he like in 18, 19, if I'm not mistaken as well, these kids are really young.

And the youth of Los Angeles is really behind these kids completely. You see their shows selling out with like a day announcement. I mean, the shoreline wave was crazy. And I feel like they broke up before they could really fully capitalize on. You know what? I think everyone who kind of looked at the shoreline stuff kind of looked at it in a sense that O'Gizi was kind of like the focal point of what they were doing. Phoenix was kind of the focal point I thought they're doing as well

But I don't know if the way that was pushed Was entirely Right in the sense It was weird from very early on You got them signed to Atlantic didn't you? No Who's in the middle of that deal? I think TKs

But I mean It was weird how they stopped touring together Like very early on I've heard a little bit now About like why they might have tension and everything But if they're going to tour with anybody You're not gonna fucking like them Shortly thereafter bro

Just having to sleep with people in the same rooms and shit I mean imagine some of the big ass recording contract with Atlantic with just like the people that you happen to be friends with at that time in your life. At that age. Jesus Christ. And like, you know, when I think about it, like the people I was hanging out with at 19. And then if you looked at me at like 21, 22, it's like, your friends change a lot at that time in your life, even though, but you feel like it's like permanent. Like, these are my boys. This is it. And a lot of things like that, but not always. I mean, they've been a, it's been nice to see them on the radio. I'm not saying

I'm so close to them or anything like that because I'm not at the end of the day. but it's been nice to see Mexican faces on the radio. I mean, even people like 6-9 and all those kind of people at the end of the day, you know what I mean? I'm not, I wouldn't back up any of the bullshit they've done, obviously. But at the end of the day, you know, I mean, just to see a Mexican face out there is interesting to me because it creates opportunities for other Mexican faces at the end of the day.

Because Shoreline were like big to me because that was just indicative of, you know, popping-ass rappers who just remind you of normal Mexican kids in L.A., kicking it with Armenian dudes, white dudes. black dudes, et cetera. And, like, you know, it's a very multicultural group. But it actually represented what I think of, when I think of the average kid who listens to rap in L.A. And I think those kids, you know what I mean?

Like, I don't know, this next generation of kids kind of gone through the system in a sense of, like, youth authority or the prison system out here. And they have a different understanding of the way things go. I'm not sure you've ever been to county, Adam? No. You never been to jail out here at all? No.

It's just a different world. Once you've gone in out here, I mean, I mean, shit, you get separated by race very, very quickly. You know what I mean? So experiencing that kind of. It kind of like opens your eyes to things. I went to jail when I was 18 years old and I found out real quick what time it was. Really?

Yeah. You weren't like street affiliated before that? Oh, no. I mean, bro, I grew up around drug dealers. My brothers were fucking a youth authority, fucking prison, the whole nine yards. I was like the baby of the family. So in the sense, I kind of got isolated from my family network, kind of created my own with the weed shit. I opened dispensaries on 2007 when I was only like, what, 21 years old or something like that?

Okay. So, yeah, just having an experience in that world kind of open my eyes to the realities of shit out here. I mean, there is a structure, and there's a very respectful structure. And I think that kind of exists in every other race and is accepted by the major labels, everyone from, like to say, like Wack 100, a Big U or the case may be. And I don't think there's really a Mexican person that's in a position that can really speak for the Mexican kids as we've already seen with the other races, kind of, not to bring everything into a racial paragraph and like, but there's just no one that really speaks for these kids or opens doors properly for these kids. That's what when I got on here, I made sure to bring a couple kids over here with us as well. some of the older homies as well that kind of have representation out here and want to see things change and they have the budgets to really put behind them to make things change because then they money talks

especially in this industry for sure yeah no definitely we're going to have some of them come over in a moment but uh okay so talk to me about getting into the weed shit as a young man like you you're doing that before you had a job my first job was for my father in a nursery actually you know the first pack of weed i saw was what prior the age of like 15 i mean high school we were selling grams not kind of bullshit is just part of the culture. I mean, this is right when medical marijuana became legalized in California as well. My first recommendation was one that we're making ourselves

that a fake doctor put our phone numbers on it and there was like only two dispensaries in L.A. at the time. The Yellow House and LAPCG. I was kind of like the first young Mexican kid to actually own one of these places because I figured out the game that was being played. And I got raided a bunch of fucking times and I dealt with law enforcement and tied up by people robbing me in the whole nine yards and stuffed in safes and shit like that.

Definitely a lot of PTSD. from those times. You know what I mean? Stuffed in a safe. Oh, yeah. There's my dispensary, Golden State Collective in Granada Hills. I see two young kids in front.

It was before my security guard got there. I opened the door to them. Next thing I turn around, I got two Uzi's in my face. They robbed a bunch of shit. But, I mean, it was part of the game at that point. I mean, the original dispensary operators in California understood

that you were going to get raided. I mean, we'll be sitting in our back offices looking at security cameras, just waiting for them to raid. And there was like a network of people that would contact each other. So if they would hit one location, you knew and knew more

raids were coming, so everyone would kind of shut down. And it's still happening to this day. You still have illegal operations that exist. Everyone from these marijuana sessions and the whole nine yards. It kind of exists outside of the law. I just played one this last weekend with a Swifty peso and Money Signs Wade and even self-provoked was there as well. But dude,

the cops came and they were outside and the security guards got real scared and had me shut down the place. But it's kind of funny to see everybody scattered with pounds of weed. You know what I mean? Definitely. It's an interesting little world. But I got kind of top that world from a lot people from the Bay that moved out to West Hollywood during the time. But during that time was the main stress that, like, you know the cops are going to raid you, but then you also know that it's very likely you're going to get robbed, so you basically

need to have a hell of guns on hand at all times. There was a fine line of what you could play with at the time. I mean, you could have a concealed carried weapon security guard there, but he would have to stand a certain amount of feet away from the front. So everyone kind of operated on their own, like, little psychopath, little fucking thought process. And you really felt like you could trust the security guard to do what he had to do? Well, he made sure you actually knew where he was from or where his background was. You know what I mean? Like, these are people that you actually knew. If I didn't know your family,

I was going to put you in a position to protect me on that kind of shit. I just feel like there's probably a lot of security guards that turn bitch made. Oh, those are the ones that definitely, definitely. Like, they pull oozy's out. Like a lot of security guards are probably just like, all right, like, whatever you need to do. I think the security, the security guards pretty much in every situation, they're getting paid, what, minimum wage? Yeah, exactly. So you got to deal with their pay scale to a certain extent. You know what I mean? It's a deterrent.

But then when it actually happens, like how likely is it that they're going to fucking start shooting at somebody? No, they're not going to. No, everyone's getting on the fucking ground and getting tied up. It is what it is. You know what I mean?

We would literally like keep a certain amount of weed inside the dispensary and then keep another amount in a car. You had to play your own little games and everyone had their own loqueta that makes any sense. It's own psychosis with that shit. But I mean, that was definitely a very definitive part of my life. I made a lot of connections during that time and the music and arts and stuff like that.

When I was like 14, I used to work in like all ages, nightclubs and Hollywood and shit like that. Circus, disco and arena Friday nights, most you're familiar with that kind of stuff. That's really old L.A. shit. The Hardhouse days. That was the first time like real Latinos really got on the radio in L.A.

People don't realize Power 106, you just played nothing about Hardhouse. Okay. That was when they started. Well, they started with nothing with Hard House. What is Hard House? Is it a form of techno? Yeah, it was a form of techno, I mean,

but it was all Latinos that were kind of behind it. Everyone from Richard Humpty Vision to DJ Irene, a bad boy, Bill. It was a really closed network in that sense. But, I mean, I even worked for Larry Clark for some time at that point as well. It was interesting during the Westup Rockers times and shit like that. I helped them with all that kind of stuff. So I definitely been around a lot of weird shit over the years.

You know what I mean? I think that's why people have a lot of different questions about me on that kind of stuff, and who the fuck I exactly am. Right. Or whatever is that in the day. But it's been around a lot of stupid shit over the years. You know what I mean? And I've tried to make a smart situation out of a stupid one.

It's kind of been my calling card for a lot of different situations. Definitely. So you were in the weed game at that time, though. Like, how deep into it did you get? You get more serious when you shipping it? This is kind of like during those days, most marijuana was being grown in Northern California. But like older white dudes, like hippie dudes and communes and shit like that. My dispensary was right off the first exit off the five when you go out in the San Fernando Valley. And we were kind of the first huge market to like open up. So a lot of the farmers and a lot of the old timers out there used to bring me weed directly.

And that's kind of how things started. Then you had the L.A. growers that were growing mostly like OG Cush and things like that. That's when shit was like $6,000 a pound. That was the initial stages of that kind of stuff. Yeah, but those kind of people kind of still exist. They're just in the shadows a little bit, if that makes any sense. You know what I mean? The originators of medical marijuana, Los Angeles don't have any representation with the new breed of it.

I mean, yeah, everybody from Burner with cookies, you know what I mean, the connected dudes. There's all kinds of companies that exist right now, but they don't really represent like Los Angeles, if that makes any sense. Right. They're not from here. Well, kind of the spoils of that war coming. and went to the people that were the most organized business-wise, not the people who had been doing it, right? I know people that burned down their houses with live grows in it, you know what I mean, just scared.

I mean, it was a way different time. You know, it was a way different time. Burned their houses down because the cops were coming? Just like, let's say you've fronted a bunch of money from different people to like set up a grow, right? Let's say the grow is going bad. A lot of people committed suicide in those situations because they couldn't back up what they did. You know what I mean?

They opened their mouths and they could grow. Rather than what, oh, like $20,000 or something? Yeah, oh the wrong people. 30, $40,000, maybe $100,000. And if you're setting up huge warehouses. Killing yourself over 20 grand. Jesus Christ, Robert Bank. You would think.

Load the dice, dude. You would think. Some people just can't handle the pressure. Yeah. I mean, I guess I, because growing up around it so much, you know what I mean, I'd never really feared that kind of shit whatsoever, because I know how to talk to people at the end of the day. And I think what people don't understand about most of the people in Los Angeles that actually have some power, they're actually very respectful people that kind of will work

with you if you're willing to work with them. You know what I mean? It's just when you turn to the people. them when shit it's a fan but you don't turn to them beforehand is kind of when the issues create themselves you know what I mean? And that's kind of my experience with that stuff in the Wii game, you know I mean?

I mean, shipping packs and all that kind of bullshit, bro. You got people like CaliPug and everybody else kind of made that shit really popular and they use it almost as like almost like a comedic intervention on that sense, you know what? Because I saw them like they have like sweaters with like different buildings in downtown

LA. We kind of have like a wild wild West in downtown LA right now when it comes of marijuana. You know what I mean? You have dispensary disposed all over the place. And everyone kind of knows if you fly to California and you want to get some fucking weed it can happen. And I think you've got the youth of pretty much the entire United States

has that kind of figured out. So it's like a thing to fly out here, rent a car, get an Airbnb, shoot a rap video. You know what I mean? Start fucking with certain rappers. You know what I mean? How many people have gotten robbed outside of round two in the last couple months, bro? I hear about it. She's getting hot. It's really getting hot. And it's because these kids are coming out here with the assumption. This is the thing.

I spent time in New York. I spent time in Miami, spent time in Phoenix, some time in Texas as well. I would never go to one of these cities and try to set up a trap or start doing illegal activity without having the backing of some type of organization there. And I think everybody comes out here thinking shit's sweet, and they find out real quick that it's not at the end of the day. This is a major city and has a lot of people that are making money with what's going on here.

But if you fly out to California and you're looking to pick up pounds and ship them back, And it's gone. People almost feel like it's legal. Yeah. I mean, they've lost sense that they're actually doing black market activity. You know, I mean, if you're going to be doing black market activity, you have to operate a certain way. Right. Otherwise, you get robbed, man. You get fucking beat up. If a pound gets shipped to the East Coast, what percentage would you guess it is that it gets through?

Like 90%? Oh, I would say at least 90% of those packages are getting through, bro. And a lot of people don't realize this is most of the postal inspectors and everything else, they're not looking for fucking weed, dude. Right. And if you're, if you sit in there and dealing with packages that got hit by a dog, constantly. You're not going to want to deal with the weed dudes. Even like people do it in the airports as well. You know what I mean? Like, but if a dog hits weed and they open it and it's

just fuck the weed, they don't really, they don't stop it, bro. Okay. They really don't. That's good to know. When did you get out of the weed business per se or would you get over the dispensary thing? You know, when they, when I got rated pretty hard at Golden State Collective, let's say around 2008, 2009, it kind of was that a crossroads in my life to say at least, you know what I mean? I had millions of dollars and had nothing, like shortly thereafter. You know what I mean? So just dealing with that, kind of opened my eyes

and maybe I should do something different, you know what I mean? And I have a lot of background in mass media and marketing and shit like that. So I started working at call centers, started doing voice broadcasting calls, which is pretty much when you ever pick up the phone and say, hey, you want a free satellite system, press one. I was one of the innovators of that kind of technology that existed. I got sued by direct TV. Well,

the people that ran the call center got sued by direct TV. Why? Because you were just scamming people pretending to be them? scamming people. I mean, they got their free satellite system, you know what I mean? But we're abusing the phone system like crazy. Right. Thank you. Still smoking. Still smoking. Still smoking. No, I'm cool. Thank you.

Yeah, I always stay smoking, bro. It's the only thing keeps me calm. Yeah? Yeah, I mean, I've stopped everything else. I mean, shit. I think we all had our time with the fucking opiates and the like, you know what I mean? It kind of gets old after a while. Lost... That night I met you, you were definitely putting some junk up your nose for sure.

Jesus Christ, bro. I was doing so much fucking coke at that time. fucking nuts. I'll be the first one to say it, bro. Like, I'm not ashamed of my past whatsoever. I've definitely had a lot of struggles with that. And there's been moments in my life that really opened my eyes to shit. I mean, when Gus died, when Peep died, I mean, that shit really fucking opened. I mean, shit, my last conversation with Gus is, I'm going to beat the fuck out of him when he got to LA because he had posted that video with all the zanz in his fucking mouth. You know, I mean, I don't know. I found out my girl was pregnant, literally like 10 minutes before I got the phone call that Gus died.

And that kind of like opened my eyes a lot to the situation. I'm like, what am I going to fucking do in my life? I want to have these kids and me be fucking addicted to drugs. What am I really representing? Yeah. You know what I mean? Because I started noticing a lot of these young kids in LA like looking up to me. I mean, when they started going viral with pump and everything like.

And the reality is, you mean, got a 16-year-old kid in my house doing a bunch of fucking drugs. And I think we all kind of turned a blind eye to his age. Yeah. And a lot of these kids age, you know what I mean? But the reality is, yeah, we had a bunch of fucking drugs, money and guns around a bunch of young-ass kids. You know what I mean? Like, and it helped them to go viral. in a lot of different senses.

But was it the right thing to do? As a father or two now, if my fucking son was out there doing drugs with some random dude in fucking LA, no, I probably wouldn't be okay with that shit. You know what I mean?

But we all living and we learn. I mean, I was around so much of that shit or even like going on tour with pump. It's like, I remember that shit. I mean, dude, they were fucking,

they had a hundred Xanax. Somebody had a fucking firearm that wasn't licensed. They had fucking, you know, just every night, they're bringing random ass girls back to their hotel rooms.

and shit. And when I look at it now, I'm just like, bro, fuck. Like, bro, we got off easy on not like running into any really terrible situations there, but... I look at some of the pictures sometimes, bro, and you got, like, fucking pump like fucking a firearm that's not even legal in California. And then a bunch

of pounds of weed and you got purped with the lean bottles on his fucking head. Remember I'm shooting the gun out the window of the car? I remember that day. I remember getting those phone calls that were interesting. Those kids run run am up, bro. I mean, they just didn't give a fuck. They were young and they just wanted to have fun, I guess. I mean, like, they didn't really have any, like, OGs or any structure behind them either.

You know what I mean? South Florida is a really different place, bro. I mean, a lot of those kids are from Hailea or Broward County and everything like this. It's just a different group of fucking people, bro. And they come to L.A., and all of a sudden they have access to all this shit. So it was a culture shock for them, I think, as well. And everyone kind of wanted them to be around drugs, money, and guns. And, like, they kind of like, you could see their variety of their posts.

Like, one of the more smarter kids, bro, is Nick. because Nick would actually look at his pictures and be like, look, if I post a gun, I get this many likes. If I don't post a gun, I get this main likes. If I post drugs, look how many likes I get. So, like, these kids were marketers at the end of the fucking day, and they're really smart about it. They didn't even realize how smart they were when it came to the social media metrics and shit like that. Yeah, because it's inherent to them. They just grow up with that shit pumping through their veins and knowing inherently, like, what'll be a good troll, what'll make people freak out?

Because, you know, for us, it's like we kind of had to learn that at some point. during our life, you know, how to use the internet. Well, they were born with it in their hand, you know? These kids learn how to read it. They know how to fucking run the internet before they know how to read a fucking book. Get another water in your bed, Judge? Right there.

This is future strip shit. Those are some edibles if you want to get really loaded at some point in your life. T.C. is a psychoactive fucking thing at some point, bro. You don't fuck with edibles? Bro. Me and edibles have a bad fucking, bad experiences, bro. It's fucking worst

and dope at the end of the fucking day. You think? Bro, give somebody that's never done any of that shit. Let go a fucking whole bag. They're dead. But that's not where I'm at. I don't have the tolerance of a person who has never done it. Now I have a tolerance where I can eat 400, 500, 500 million grams of weed a day.

And it's like, it feels good. But it's not like I'm, you know, it's not like I'm losing my mind. But it's like, then like I'll take a week off from it. And it's like, oh my God, I'm moving so much better. I'm not fucking just like slumped half the fucking day, you know? You got getting your program. You know what I mean? You got to run that program.

But then that's the thing, too. I wake up at 8 o'clock every day to work out, and they're like 7 or 8 or whatever. Your life changes when you have a kid, right? Fighting through the weed. Every workout, I'm just beating the fucking edibles out of myself. And it's kind of like, Jesus Christ. You said at the higher levels of, like, fitness shit, you start seeing that they do way more drugs and other people as well. I mean, shit like GHB is really popular with bodybuilders and shit like that in that world.

You know what I mean? It's definitely a different fucking world. You ever do steroids? Yes. Me too. Yeah. Yeah. I was on testosterone for a long time.

For a long time. Just straight? I miss it, to be honest. For how long? Probably like three years straight. Three years straight. Wow. I actually got a doctor.

I went to go get my blood tested and a lot of people don't realize that opiates and marijuana kill your testosterone. You know what I mean? A lot of people have their conspiracy theories about like fucking the killing of the man of the fucking world and they have those kind of thought. You think weed does too? It does. It scientifically does. It kills your testosterone. It's what it does.

You know what I mean? Like, be honest with you, like, I'm going to say that I feel really bad about it. Okay, for years and years and years I busted in bitches, never got anybody pregnant, okay? It wasn't until I got off drugs that I got my girlfriend pregnant. Thank God. You know what I mean? I have my two beautiful children. But for a fucking good 10, 15 years in my life, I just didn't give a fuck at all.

You know what I mean? And it just never happened. But I was also doped up at the time. So in reality, yeah, my swimmers were fucking drunk. You know what I mean? They couldn't penetrate no fucking egg. I mean, that's the reality of it. A lot of people don't realize that.

But yeah, opiates and all that kind of shit, they fuck your body up. Yeah. You know what I mean? So have fun. Do what you're going to do? But how many more kids got to fucking die until we wake up to that reality? You know what I mean? Do you feel like Zanz and perks and shit

are still, like, secretly just as popular as they were in 2017? But people don't brag about it as much. One of the more troubling aspects of this shit that I've seen personally, especially with the fentanyl's fucking total fucking destruction of shit is that a lot of these kids think they're taking real shit

and they're not. You know what I mean? Like, I've lost a lot of these kids. You got a letter? Even fucking like, there's one kid also. in the Pac-Man that lived in my house, you know what I mean? He was one of the... I look at it now.

It's like, I kind of trip out because I see like... I'm like, fuck, you're gonna open my eyes to these young Mexican kids that were fucking popping off here. And I read... I took him serious, but I... You know what I mean? Like, he loved popping Zanz. You know what I mean?

And unfortunately, this is the reality is if someone offers you Xanax for purchase and they have more than a script worth, they're fucking fake. You don't got fucking a thousand Perkinsets. You don't got a thousand Xanax. Get the fuck out of here. It doesn't work that way. Right. That wasn't a thought.

in our heads in 2017, right? It was much easier to get at that point at the bulk level. But I feel like you were, yeah, you weren't getting like, I was never hearing about people getting hit with fentanyl pills until like peeping shit. Like that wasn't that kind of way? That was kind of the eye-opening moment. I think people don't realize

especially because it happened in Tucson, it was right over the border. You know what I mean? I think a lot of people think it really based on that in a sense, but it's all coming from China. You know what I mean? Like you've ever seen that one dude got popped in Mexico City, the Chinese dude, he had fucking gold everything in his house

and the whole nine yards. They found like over a hundred million cash in his fucking place as well. But you have Chinese infiltration of fake drugs into Mexico into the United States. That's where it's coming from. I'm just kind of assuming that people are making their own press pills. There's a lot of white boys in Florida

that fucking have the little presses and shit, you know what I mean? I've definitely seen that in the past. You know what I mean? Thank God I was able to avoid all that shit. But bro, I mean, a lot of these kids don't get it. And a lot of times these kids die not because of the fucking drugs. everybody freaks the fuck out when they pass out and they don't fucking call an ambulance.

Oh, really? I mean, I think the whole people situation, you know what I mean? I put a reward out trying to find out. I was just all fucked up and I was just hurt because I lost my little fucking homie. I just wanted to figure out exactly what the fuck happened. You know what I mean?

After really speaking with his mother and like doing the documentary and all that bullshit, I kind of came to terms with the reality of what had happened was, yeah, it was a fed in all death, bro, but if they would have fucking called the ambulance immediately, we wouldn't be sitting here talking about that shit in the past tense.

I think a lot of these kids, same situation. But here in California, thank God, there is a law that if you do call an ambulance, they're not going to fuck with you in terms of the police shit at all. They will come and they'll save your fucking friend and you don't have to fucking bury your homies because you fucking panicked. You know what I think there's way too many white kids, way too many Mexican kids, way too many black kids that are just dying for no fucking reason. I think it. You know, nobody ever wants to talk about it. But the reality is, bro, it's like if you narcan someone immediately, there's. they're going to survive.

You know what I mean? If you call the ambulance immediately, they're going to fucking survive. I mean, when the paramedics actually got to peep in that bus, they took a temperature of his body. I think it was like 87.1, if I'm not mistaken.

His mom posted a, it's kind of cryptic message on his feed one time on Instagram with the actual degree. And what she was trying to say with that picture in the degree, I've read some weird shit on Reddit. People are like, oh, you look at it like this.

They're trying to, trying to like analyze it. But the reality is, when you die, when you're alive, your body's usually around 98 degrees. Every hour after you're dead, it goes down like a degree or two, regardless of what the temperature in the room is. So when we see Gus's temperature was at 87.1, how many fucking hours did that kid sit fucking dead? And I think we saw everything from the Bexie video of him dancing in front of him, not even realized what was going on. But by the time the ambulance got there, was he already gone?

Yeah. His body was at 87 degrees. Right. So what? he'd been sitting there for six, seven fucking hours dead. I mean, that documentary, bro, like, it really fucked with me in the head a little bit because a lot of things were kind of left unsaid

for legal purposes. Oh, really? You know what I mean? So, like, I have to kind of walk a tight line with that kind of shit, too, because it's still litigation that's happening right now. But the reality is, is like a lot of people weren't talked about

that were management and the like, you know what I mean, that played a part in this whole situation. The reality is, is that Gus fucking loved drugs. He liked doing drugs, and he'll pretty much do any drug that was put in front of him at the time. Right.

a lot of these kids, they get into this mode where like, it's like some cool shit to just be down to get all fucked up. You know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I mean, you see it so much. And it's like, I feel like the peep thing really broke the situation open of like how much do the grownups in the room have blood on their hands when this kind of thing happens. How do you feel about how that lawsuit is going to play out? And do you think, I mean, who do you think there's a fault? I think at a certain point, it becomes a financial battle because the reality is like alive.

it would have been worth how much, bro. Right. I mean, like, it, like, blows my fucking mind the traction he was getting, like, in reality. Like, you know what I mean? Like, he would have been the biggest artist, I think, in the world at this point. I'm not even trying to blow him up like that, but the reality is he was very representative of a lot of different cultures. His grandfather was a rogue scholar that wrote a lot of books about Malena and Zapata and shit like that. So, like, he definitely had a different understanding of a worldview than most of these other artists.

You know what I mean? And you saw the traction that was happening. I mean, shit, he was walking major fashion shows in the whole nine yards. He was really getting that full fucking, like, exposure that I'd rarely, rarely see a kid get. Right. You know, I mean, I don't think there's a lot of kids that could even pull that shit off. No, definitely. He had a certain order to him, bro.

It was like his music didn't get as big as, like, everybody kind of felt like it could. But then meanwhile... Well, I introduced him to McCona. You know, I mean, and when I introduced him to McCona, my intent and purposes with that meaning was to start writing these big-ass records. Right. And I think you saw, like, a big change. And a lot of the fans kind of disagreed with the direction that was kind of going at that point as well.

Right. You know what I mean? McCona, be honest with you, I don't think he's still, like, right from that whole situation, bro. Like, he lives in Portland now and, like, kind of avoids everything. Doesn't want to really be involved much anymore because there's still a whole album material that hasn't been released yet. You know what I mean, there's still a lot of material. I have songs of his that are on release. It's been this weird, like, back and forth with everyone because they just don't know who to speak to,

because at the end of the day, his mother doesn't control the label. You know what I mean? His father still owns a percentage of his shit as well. And I think that kind of like makes up right there is going to prevent things from really coming out. And there's a big, everyone doesn't want to look like they're taking advantage of that kid as well, bro. And I think we saw a lot of different people like kind of use his death as a marketing tool almost for themselves, try to blow themselves up. Not to get so specific on certain people, bro, but like when you fucking ride the coattels of someone who just died hard, hard, hard,

heart. I think everyone was trying to fight to see who was his best friend who not used to me. Everyone from the GBC kids, Nick and everybody else kind of like fighting with each other over shit, you know what I mean? That was definitely a moment where I was just like, oh wow, I'm way too old to be. Like, this is just not how you handle a death. Like, there should not be this much argument between his friends after somebody passes. There was just a lot of weird shit. The reality is he left LA to get the fuck away from everybody. And that's what he did. and I think and you saw what was happening

with all the rest of the GBC kids during that time sending out tweets making threats to them and the whole fucking nine yards because they wanted to be involved you know what I mean all respect to those kids

you know what at the end of the day but I think they just didn't really know how to handle it and so many people started asking questions and they kind of realized that answering those questions in a public forum would get them some type of like pool

or push it doesn't make sense I mean we saw a lot of kids get signed to major label deals based on the first fact that they could potentially take that wave and run with it. But you know what's weird is with Peepe and with like X and with Juice World? I feel like in all those cases, I've seen a ton of people basically trying to like clone their style after they pass.

And I feel like it never works. I think a lot of people were even saying that about juice. You know what I mean at a certain point? Because, you know, he comes in after the fact. Yeah. Both of them dead. I think that a lot of people thought that juice was kind of trying to take that little Pete Lane or whatever.

But then I felt like Juice was so good. They were just overshadowed They were just all a bunch of young kids making good music Bro, and I think there's no shit They're gonna get like influenced by who's popping And who's up right now You've seen so many artists that are like Trying to take that X style

And it's weird though how No matter how good a job they do of it The fans don't seem to really good They're never gonna grab on to these kids And I think you have a lot of people That have gotten really good at like Giving them a little of exposure in that lane You know I mean

Some people have done it right Some people have done it wrong I mean a lot of people get caught in the middle Like look at scheme Like he was around both of them Very very closely And I'm very happy to see how much he's risen as well You know what I mean

It's fucking nuts in the reality bro That kid used to sleep on my sofa as well You know what I mean? I spent a lot of time DJing for riffraff all over the country What years? Shit what that's what? 2012 to 2015 So like right when he was popping off?

Right when neon icon before that came out I mean shit we're still talking about like Before Versace Python freestyle Before all that shit He was just doing YouTube videos at that point and popping off World Star. So you're with him before Depp Love? Yeah.

Okay. Riff's an interesting thing too because I think he, people didn't really know how to handle him in a large sense. One of my weirder moments of my life was sitting in the BET offices with him and just every single person coming out going to what the fuck is this dude doing here? You know what I mean?

And people just didn't get it. If you grew up in Houston, it's different than growing up anywhere else, bro. Like there's Chinese fools. There's fucking black dudes, white dudes, everyone liked but if they grew up in the same neighborhood, They all have the same hairstyles. They all have the same look. They have the same vocabulary and stuff like that.

I think we're seeing that a lot with the youth right now in L.A. is like the use of, let's say, the N-word and music and shit like that. You know what I mean? Even though I don't necessarily agree with the use of that vocabulary, just out of my life experiences and I just stay away from that kind of shit. When did you stop saying it? I'd say like four years ago I learned that would be a bad idea to keep on going with that lane. But I spent so much time in Houston,

spent so much time in Florida around these fucking kids. It's just part of the fucking vocabulary. They say it like it is what. it is. But growing up in the high schools and middle schools here in LA, now all the Mexican kids use their vocabulary as well. You know what I mean? Like it's interesting to see, but it's part of the culture that's developing here as well. I mean, their heroes are no longer like Tupac or like Dr. Dre. I mean, a lot of these kids listen to Kodak or they listen to someone else. I mean, average Mexican kid in L.A. has probably never had anybody tell them not to say that

word, right? It's just, it's super normal. Depends. I mean, if they have older, if they have older homies that just got a prison or some shit, I mean, if their family's actually affiliated with some shit, I don't think they would be so willing to do it in front of them. You know what I mean? Because it is different. But these kids are growing up different as well. You know what I mean? I think there's an understanding with the older guard here as well that these kids are going to say what they're used to saying.

You know what I mean? It's not a point to judge them or knock them down for it, but it's the vocabulary that exists in these day and ages, you know what I mean? Like someone older like me has a different level of respect for those kind of words. But the youth is going to say what they're going to fucking say and they have to stay true to that as well. I think these kids are, if they pop

off as big as I hope they do, all these young Mexican kids, it's going to be getting on East Coast radio, getting on the East Coast radar. You know what I mean? And like, can they pull it off? I mean, we've seen a lot of other people who fucking do it and face no retaliation for it whatsoever. It's just going to be that one person with that star power that is sort of able to push it through. I mean, if we look at fucking Daniel's situation, a six-ninth situation, bro, like, that kid recorded a lot of music in my house. I met him through a dude.

I met him through a dude named Pac-Man that was out here. It was another Pac-Man, not Austin, but he used to sell a lot of weed out here as well. one of the early affiliates with Cali plug and all them. He did that, what's that fucking, what was that fucking song they did? Sixth and just really stole it from him as well. But they did a couple songs together. There was one video in New York where Sixthines with a bunch of packs of weed in it.

And those were all stolen from someone in Los Angeles. You know what I mean? Stolen. This is the reality of what was happening. People don't understand this. But when Six Nine was in LA, with all the nine trade dudes, they were literally going studio to studio,

asking a bunch of questions about a bunch of drugs. And I looked at it really, really funny from The second I met him, the second I met him, he asked me for some coke. I'm thinking he wants some coke to blow, whatever. I gave him a little sack. And he's like, no, he's like, I want a lot of coke. And my spidey sense with that kind of shit is very, very, very, very on point. The second someone starts asking for hard drugs and large amounts,

you either a cop or you're trying to rob me. Right. One of the two. Yeah, I mean, Shottie was with him. I mean, a lot of people don't realize that a lot of six-n-n-nights music was being written by Trif True and all. I literally watched him in the booth and TRIF, like, sending him text messages while he was recording the entire time. And that's when I realized how much. And I was actually friends with like Zilla Kami and all those dudes as well because just because of the fact that I was like

Trabzillas online and someone had mentioned them to me and we had talked and everything like that. While he was at my house, I fucking messaged Zilla Kami. I'm like, does this fool actually owe you as much money as you remember they were saying like a fucking $100,000, $200,000 or some shit like that? Right. I was like, this fool really owe you that much money? And he's like, he's like, oh no, bro, you know what I mean? But we're just putting it out there like that. Okay. I mean, everyone's going with their marketing schemes. at that point. But I could say with a straight face, bro,

I have fully, fully in belief that, like, when 6-9 came out to L.A., I think he was already facing some charges that weren't even being unsaid. And I had heard that he had been popped with some heroin at one point earlier than that. I think he was already kind of a fucking law enforcement asset at that point, and they kind of let it keep on going

to see who they could take down. Because I saw a bunch of people get robbed. I saw a bunch of people get popped. And they were either getting robbed, by all nine trade dudes and the like or they're getting popped by the feds, you know what I mean? So like I just kind of saw that and I separated myself. That's when Diablo was living at my house, actually.

But old Diablo. Six-nine was trying to buy large corn of these a code. So the conversation didn't really like lead anyway? No, you should fucking, I gave him a small sack and he went to the microwave and microwave just supposed to check this purity. And I'm just sitting there like, okay, motherfucker. What are you going to do with a microwave to check the copse purity? Good fucking question.

I'm still trying to figure that one out myself. But he was just trying to fucking look a certain way, bro. And I just, I can say what this. I really, really believe that he was already a law enforcement asset at that point. Don't you think that like given that he's running around with these nine trades and given that there's a lot of them who are not really doing anything in terms of the music, that the scenario where it's likely that he was trying to help line up somebody to get robbed is probably a lot more likely than that he was already informed? Yes. But some people that kind of exist as honey pots. A lot of people don't realize this.

But if you get popped and you don't go to fucking jail, getting them getting, them getting. access to your phones, communication lines, is completely easy for a fucking federal enforcement officer at that point, especially when they're holding a major case over your head. I mean, I've seen a lot of people get raided with large amounts of guns and drugs, and they don't go to jail.

You know, I mean, I'm not really here to call anybody a snitch or anything like that, but it's kind of fucking obvious that they either didn't pop you because they want to find out what else you're doing, or you are working with them in some capacity. I mean, being on paperwork is a very big misconception, I believe, to say if you're a snitch or

not. Because let's say you got caught with something. Let's say the D. I have my own experience is the D.A. Like, where did you get this from? Like, do you want to fucking face this shit? Or do you? They talk to you like regular fucking people, bro. That's what people don't understand. Like, it's not like some big, complicated thing. They usually send someone that looks like you to talk to you in those situations. During my dispensary days when I'll get raided, literally the DA agents would sit there and be like, so do you want to help us or do you want us to take all your shit this time? You know what I mean? I just shut the fuck up because I already knew what time it was. You know what I wasn't going to play that game. Right. But if you got rated and you

had a bunch of automatic weapons and the like in your home and you do not go to jail or have a face a case, they're either using you as a honeypot to bust somebody else or whatever you did is on your conscience at that point. It's pretty obvious to everybody else what happens. Were you paying attention to the 6'9 Jim Jones accusation thing? Oh, bro. That shit was fucking hilarious to me, all that shit. I mean, 6'9, like, it's weird because anyone I think could say about almost any rapper, like look at him look at all this shit that he clearly is guilty of and he's not in jail so therefore he is a snitch that's like an easy line of logic because every rap not every rapper but a large

percentage of rappers are basically just like telling you about their crimes these kids a lot of these kids represent something they're not really made of and that's be honest with you that's why i like these young mexican kids that are coming up because if you listen to their raps and what they're saying it matches up to the reality of their lives they're talking about having blowers catching cases, the whole nine yards, but it's actually real. And I think the South Florida wave got really good at kind of telling the story

of that kind of shit and not actually living it. Right. You know what I mean? Like, I listened to a lot of the lyrics. Dude, some of the shit they would rap about shit they would see me do. You know, I'd be like, what the fuck? I'm like, okay, you know what I mean?

Like, but they're very good at telling the storyline but not actually living that life. And that's why the music was kind of fun because they'd be saying shit about drugs and shit that didn't even make any sense. Shit about guns. It didn't make any sense. But, you know, if you don't know anything about guns,

except like a bunch of random shit you heard in rap songs. It kind of gives you like a license to be really creative with the shit that you're saying. And like, okay, I heard Axe say that at one point is that SoundCloud Wave was the wave of cute young kids with crazy hair talking about street shit that they weren't actually doing. But that the wave now is the actual gangsters. And I think you get a push heist who shot a security guard in the club while he's the highest rapper in the world.

but that is the problem. Like that's what happens when you get the real gangsters popping. And then that's the reality of it. I mean, if you're, but at the same token, if you're going to rap about that life

and not live it, you know what I mean? It's just, you're going to put yourself in a lot of bad situations. You know what I mean? I think we've seen a lot of these kids get themselves in weird situations

of people when they're doing features around and people like, why the fuck you get this can do the feature when you're so popping. There's a, they paid a level of respect to people that actually live that life to play it off right.

You know what I mean? Like, but they definitely benefited from that culture. I mean, they definitely profited off that culture as well. I mean, to say, I mean, music is going to be something that has an effect on the people that listen to it. And I think if you're really pushing a bunch of bullshit about popping 100 zanz or whatever the case may be, you don't know it, but you got blood on your hands. And it might be misdirected, and I'm not going to judge them for it. But if everything you fucking talk about is about doing drugs and not giving a fuck in the whole nine yards, and then the younger kids kind of hear this shit and end up doing that, you know what I mean?

Yeah, that was. you did that. I feel like you're talking to future. Well, bro, future's actually a really nice person at the end of the day, bro. Yeah, I mean, he's amazing artist, but I mean, that is basically, you know, and it was never more obvious than the Juice World situation where Juice World told them, like, you inspired me to get fucked up. I'm still kind of confused on what exactly happened with Juice on that situation, bro, because when I hear that, when I heard that story, I was just like, it just like, why would you

pop that many to yourself? I mean, like, why not pass amongst the group or some? But I heard the part about. I heard that that was bullshit that was like a media invention or a rumor or whatever. How did he die? I think he was just like freaking out because there were feds pulling up on him

and I think he was probably already super overtired, super fucking strung out. They found a bunch of packs on that plane too, didn't they? And guns and like all kinds of, they were like somebody, somebody,

and I've never looked into it so I actually don't know who, but somebody was basically like using his career as a way to move packs on these jets, which if, you know, it's a brilliant move, right? I think it sends a message to all these young rappers as well as like, be very careful who you affiliate yourself with.

Be very careful who you put yourself around. I mean, if they're not, if they don't have your best interests in mind at the end of the day, they're going to push you in every direction that they see fit. And I hate seeing these kids kind of get pimped in a sense. You know what I mean? In all respect to these people, signing them to labels and management deals in the whole nine yards.

I mean, when I first met Lil Uzi shit, he had like, what, like eight deals at that point? He had the diamond cuts deal, the drama deal. Everybody had a piece of that kid. It wasn't until when Rock Nation kind of stepped in and wiped all that shit clean. The hook was kind of like that too. He's done a bunch of contracts. Yeah, he had a bunch of different deals with a bunch of different people, bro.

Like, how the fuck do you make money in that world? I've seen, I've seen people like selling features and they don't even have rights to their own music. And when you try to clear the fucking fucking verse, it doesn't get cleared. Oh, that happens all the time. It's nonstop. You get a couple thousand in cash in the studio and then the feature can never get cleared so you end up leaking it on Santa Cloud. Wave did it for drugs for a fucking couple lines of lean. Oh, yeah.

All that time. I saw Versus traded for fucking 10 perks. Like, I would just sit there, like, fucking amazed. I'm like, you have any idea how big you guys really fucking are? And I think a lot of these kids didn't really grasp how big they were, in essence. You know what I mean? Like, everyone from pump, perp to the like, they were just running around running amok.

And they really didn't give a fuck about anything besides what happened that day. So, like, if they could fucking get a couple of lean or some drugs and being a nice car that day, they didn't really give a fuck about anything else. You know what I mean? It is kind of weird, though, because you look at the landscape and it's like who has whose career has really survived since the sound cloud wave and if you want to include them you can look at uzi and cardi and so like obviously they're gigantic see they came up from more traditional backgrounds in the music world they had older heads that were kind of there like the real real sound cloud kids is like i like i like i like didn't have that kind of backing like whatsoever right you know i mean so i mean you have somebody like yadi who's still pretty relevant i mean it does feel like at a certain point the world kind of turned their back so on Pump and PURP. Obviously, a lot of the best from that world

straight passed away too early. Yeah, I mean, we're never going to really know it's a real true effect. But I think the effect that they have is not going to be a financial one for them proper, but they definitely influence a generation of kids that just put shit out there. The whole DIY concept of music

kind of went hardcore once people saw the SoundCloud shit. Because SoundCloud kind of started off of like EDM DJs and shit like that, bro. It was like, mostly DJ mixes and shit. That's when I first kind of got involved with that kind of stuff. So, like, once all the hip-hop stuff started popping up on there, it was a much different fucking scenario, to say the least.

Yeah, I mean, if you actually look at that era of all these young kids, now that you have, like, you know, streaming and, you know, putting your music online is a real bona fide way to make money. And it's like, who controls these things at the end of the day? Because there's been playlists on Spotify are controlled by such random fucking people sometimes, bro, and like, and they all have their own different agendas. And a lot of them kind of been farmed by the labels to kind of work with them and a lot of shit.

They all do hell of business. This is more along the lines when I speak about radio shit. I speak about the industry as a whole. You know what I mean? This playlisting is part of the whole radio world. It's a radio budget at the end of the day. Like if they get these people on these playlists, it's a very, very set fucking plan to pop someone off nowadays.

That's one of the main things when you sign to a label is that they're going to get you on a bunch of playlist. Maybe not all of them. That's like their pitch at this point, I assume. But you can, I mean, if you are interested in, you know, hopping on Google or making some connections, you can definitely find. the firm that can get you on as many places as possible. That's kind of like what I want to do with this generation of Mexican kids

is kind of learn the tricks that I've learned from being on the sidelines of this industry for so long and kind of taking the financing and the budgeting from people in their background that actually have these kids' best interests in mind and really push them to a new level. You know what I mean? Getting them on these major playlists is something like

it's going to be amazing for them, for their exposure, and I think this is where they're going to benefit from their vocabulary they use. You know what I mean? Like saying saying the N-word on a certain song, but if it's popping off on the East Coast or something like that on a Spotify playlist, the youth might grab onto it just based on that,

you know what I mean? Because it sounds like how they talk. Yeah. You know what I mean? So I think there's definitely a marketing avenue right there that they could take advantage of, and I'll be very glad to help them take advantage of it at the end of the day.

Definitely. Okay. We rearranged the seats. Introduce these fine fellows here. We have my boy, Devoie right here. Can I introduce himself? D-Boy smooth. the representative Westways, which is a music label, which is, you know, it's pretty recent

birth. Origines in the west side of Los Angeles, you know, referring to the Westways. That kind of has, it's its self-explanatory. The most prominent, prominent, honorary member that we ever had was Austin and Pac-Man, rest in peace, passed away, you know, to a sad incident, whatever, something you guys were touching on, that whole little fentanyl epidemic or whatever. Yeah, man. And then we got a couple of young notable young man now, young demon, stretched.

We got trapped on the executive board. So we, we, yeah, we relatively new just to the scene. Okay. I mean, I've seen you before on Melrose. We've conversated before. I was with Pac-Man, actually, that day we pulled up. You was with Desto. Right.

And we came, we said, well, you know, you've always been respectful with me. I've always been, you know, you always show that recognition. He really is a thing. the day i always wish where i was on bell rose that was like had more time to like really tap in with people because it would be like just such a fucking non-stop barrage of people bro i felt like i got shot at in there didn't didn't you not shot at luckily it was a fake gun actually like a mental health episode right basically dude was having the mental health of your interview that dude later didn't you no no that was the clickbait but i went to court oh because i'm a civilian and i saw the

fucking guy sitting right there with his dad and it was mad awkward his dad was looking at me like what the wrong with you. I'm like, your son fucking came with a gun. I'm lucky we didn't blow his fucking head off. I got my boy evil from Mount Up Records as well. I can introduce himself as well. Yeah, Big Evil. Mount Up Records. You know, we fresh out in many ways. I mean,

just trying to put on for the city. Right here with the team. Thank you for having me. You're fresh out? Yeah, many ways. Really? We both are out, fresh out. That's the origin, the real... You got a fresh cut. Yeah, he does. I throw that out there, too. Appreciate that.

in many ways. That's just why I figured what he's one of the ways would be. So how do you know these guys and what do you feel like they are? I mean, I've known them for, I've known Dewey for a long time as well, recently introduced to evil and the Mount Up Records dudes as well, but they're kind of

representative of the people that here in Los Angeles that can really do a lot of things for the youth in a positive manner and in a way that's kind of accepted by the leadership structure here in California. Tell me more. I mean, their experiences in life in general. kind of plays into those situations.

I think both of them have spent time in federal prisons or state prisons as well. You know what I mean? So there's a different level of understanding of how things work here in California that comes from these kind of people as well. You know, I mean? But at the end of the day, they're just here for good business and to do things properly. I think we all want to see these young Mexican kids actually get pushed in a very positive light and where they're willing to put up the money to really make sure that that does happen like that at the end of the day,

getting these kids playlisting and the whole line yards. They've kind of worked with a lot of the youth in Los Angeles in terms of these, like, record labels, they have a lot of ability to really touch these kids in the sense that they're going to listen to these older heads a lot different than they would, just to say a label head or someone random like an R or some shit like that. And kind of keeping them out of trouble and keeping them out of situations that they don't need to give themselves involved in, can they offer the ability to really do that at the end of the day? For sure. So how many years did each of you do? I spent over 23 years of my life incarcerated. Holy fuck. And that's just from the

age of 16. Wow. So you're definitely qualified. I'm in the Pelican Bay, yeah. God damn. I've done about 10 collectively. I'm younger. I'm about a couple decades younger. Right. But, yeah, that's pretty much bringing.

Well, I guess it's a super general question, but I mean, all that time, how does that, like, what is that left with you with in terms of how you speak to young men who you feel like are, you know, probably at risk at making the kind of choices that you guys made that left you in that situation? Well, you see, the thing is that we've actually gotten the experience of actually being in the streets, going through a whole nine yards of, you know, going to jail. We both went a youth authority. We both went to prison. We both were a maximum security prison. So we've been through actually pretty much what comes with, you know, the streets and pretty much, you know, the fun parts. We've been through the fun parts. So we, for the most part, our whole jump into music is that we understand right now that the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the.

the most important, how can I say, the most effective form of communication is music right now for these youth. And it's the most effective form to communicate with, you know, mass amounts of youth where they kind of understand more so our upbringing and where so we come from, you know, because I don't think that's never really been put out there prior to, you know, I mean, ever, just because we really come from a background where we really don't talk about what we do in the streets.

We're not about that. We're not talking about what's in the streets. We're not about dry snitching. You know what I mean? We've never really, we've never been into that. Well, I got invented while you guys were away for the most part, right? Right, right. I mean, it's, I mean, it's been happening in media.

It's, we realize that as a form of entertainment, you know what I mean? It could be presented as such as, you know, we also have the ability to be directors. We have the ability to be, you know, real writers. And we can write actual stories. We could tell actual stories with a certain vividness that another individual has never experienced. So we in essence are the essence of the whole story

that's being portrayed right now in the media and has forever been portrayed in TV media roles, whatever the kid. We understand that energy they're trying to portray. Yes, we get it. And I think a lot with the South Florida kids you saw, they were telling a lot of stories but that weren't really real and then we have to deal with any of the backlash from it from talking that kind of shit.

But I think the youth of Los Angeles, these young Mexican kids that are coming out, it's a much different territory for them to be walking in and be talking like certain ways you know what I mean so it's just it's best for everyone if you don't think that there's a structure because these kids actually know the people that are at the heads of all these situations and a lot of people that actually have a lot of pool out there so they don't have the liberty to really go out there and just say whatever the fuck they want in large sense you know what I mean like of course they're going to be able to make the music they want to make at the end of the day but they don't have the liberty of these South Florida kids or

they're really bullshitting you know I mean they're talking about real life situations and involve real people that and people are really affected by the level of communication that they have. So it's important for us to have a real structure behind it. And I don't think the music industry has really had anyone in place that could really like help broadcast that message in a proper way without scaring the shit out of everybody and just making everything just go away to a certain extent. I mean, a lot of East Coast shit, a lot of Midwest shit kind of exists in this little paragraph where there is no backlash. There is no repercussions to any of the actions or the things that they're saying. But these kids out here in LA, it's just a different world out here.

Right. It's important that they are led by people that have their best interests in mind at the end of the day. Right. But, okay, so from you guys' perspective as people who just recently got out of doing long bids, how do you deal with the fact that if, like, we were just having the conversation, people want to hear from actual, you know, young kids who are really in the streets who will really shoot somebody, et cetera? Like, how do you deal with the fact that it's like it's hard to sell people on positivity? it's hard, and it's really easy

to sell people on like violence and destruction of the community, basically. Well, that's what we grew up on. I mean, that's, I mean, it's just, we're just following what we've seen. We just, I mean, what results? They didn't teach us how to trade, you know, Bitcoin, you know what I mean?

They didn't teach us. That's what these kids fortunately nowadays. They're going to need some positive things. But we didn't get that, you know what I mean? So it's a regurgitation to just, all right, this is the true interpretation of what's, you know, and we're not here to glorify, you know, particularly anybody, it's fictitious businesses, you know, here, you know, what we seek to do is simply just kind of grab that voice and, you know, help it prosper, help it know that

they do have some heroes in their own proper culture that, that do exist. We just, you know, we're, we're, I'm not going to say we're, but there's in the, in the, In the, in the, how can I say, how can I say in the beginning in the, you know, just like any other culture that came to America, you know what I mean, that's pretty much what this is, you know. I'm representative of the immigration wave that happened in the United States. You mean, these kids are young, they're Latinos for the most part. You know what I mean? Like they grow up in these same streets that these guys grew up in as well. You know what I mean?

And like, I think we've had like a wave of people that didn't live the life that they were speaking. And these kids you actually really do. So there's a different way of working in those worlds. You know what I mean? It definitely is much different than let's say, let's say like Pump saying all the crazy shit he was saying. You know what I mean? You see these kids not really, when's the last time you saw these kids like in Hialea or in Broward County? You see them like in Miami maybe or you see them around these areas,

but you don't really see them back in their own neighborhoods. These kids coming up live in the same neighborhoods that they're talking about. Right. You know what I mean? So there isn't this isolation from that world. You know what I mean? So they're in the midst of all. everything so they have to carry themselves in a much different way than other people would that

makes any sense no definitely yeah it's kind of crazy that you don't hear more now that everybody's in miami all the time and shit and it's like seems like that's the big hub but you don't really hear about who we can rob that much out there right no bro it's fucking security everywhere it's different i mean that the florida culture of miami is like separated from the rest of florida people are going to consider you from florida if you're from miami to a certain extent you i mean like oh yeah definitely it's different yeah 100 percent i remember why one time, one of the first times me and my friends drove down to Miami on a BMX trip, and we stopped at some random Denny's in Florida, and some old white lady was talking to us

about the fact that we were going to Miami. She's like, I wouldn't go there if you didn't speak Spanish. And I was just like, whoa, like, I never had somebody say something like that to me. That was crazy. Like, you're racist. I mean, they're racist against me being Mexican out there. I mean, the old Cuban dudes hate the fuck out of me out there. Live in the penthouse, you know, I mean, and they were all working there.

I guess there was a weird, like, back and forth. I think in culture, the whole SoCal Latino Mexican thing is looked at everywhere else in the country, like if it's just people that are like gang banging or if it's just people that dress a certain way and the life. But they come in all shapes and sizes in our reality, bro. Like they really do. I mean, there's different races that are involved in a lot of every street grain here in Los Angeles. You know what I mean? It's the representative of the areas that they're actually in.

Definitely. Okay, you take over and ask them the questions that you think would be the most interesting for the audience. Here we go. Boom. whole time. In all reality, what would you like to see from these young kids coming up? Honestly, I just feel like

a lot of them are glorifying all this gangbang stuff, right? Gang bang is the thing of the past. That's in the 90s, it's not the 90s. You know what I'm saying? I understand if you want to tell a story, it's entertainment or whatever, but I just feel like most of the rappers nowadays, they're talking about the stuff that we used to do back then, that we actually lived.

I mean, if you don't really live that, why are you going to perpetuate something that's negative onto our future generation when in reality, like, if all our people, like right now, as far as as Rasa, all the Mexicans, like, we should all be getting along.

There should be no reason why you feel like going somewhere to just gang bang on somebody for no reason because you're trying to prove yourself or something like that. When it's like there's cameras everywhere now, you're going to get caught. Yeah. Why are you going to do it for

gram because you want more followers it just doesn't make sense if you're going to talk about stuff like that i mean come up with some other it's entertainment but come up with some other songs as well to balance that out where you actually talk about how you really feel and talk about something positive the struggles you're going through that's what i want to see from that so in reality at the end of the day you don't really want to see these youth kind of go down the same roads that it put you in prison in the sense Exactly. I spent over three quarters of my life incarcerated, or at least two-thirds. So it's boring the wire, raising the pin. I've seen the strongest break, so it's like, I don't want that from them. We've ran into some rappers in prison, I'll assume, as well, over the years, right? Yeah, I feel, yeah. It's like I say, like, a lot of these people, they rap, and they're not really, they're not really about that.

So if you're not really about that, what you're rapping about, why don't you talk about what you really? about. I mean, but so what's the key thing that has changed from the 90s to today? Because from my perspective, a lot of the kids you're talking about, they basically are talking about what, like shooting at their enemies, selling drugs, doing drugs. It's pretty, seems accurate to me. Those are things that that's basically what they're spending a lot of their time on. Yeah, that's not really going on as much as it is going, it used to go on before in the 90s. It was worse then, yeah. Yeah. So it's like, yeah, real war on the streets out here. Yeah. And it's like, now it's just people that are bored that are going on doing this stuff.

Like, you're really going to let something pump you up to, we're like, you know what, I want more followers. I want more attention. It's like, you need attention. It's like, why do you need attention? Like, go do something, do something positive for the community. I'll do something that's going to actually help your neighborhood. A lot of it is like, gangs used to war over, like, what, drug turf and shit like that? But now, like, so much of this shit is really not about, they're just warring over nothing, over just like social media disrespect and shit.

Yeah, most of these kids talking about gang banging and all this stuff on, especially on social media, they're not even gang members. It's like, you're a resident dude. Like, why are you talking about, I'm going to go gang bang on this dude and go put in work on their set. That's on the set. That's on the hood. Like, you get locked up. You're not even claiming nothing. It's like, I don't even understand that.

So why are you talking about stuff that you don't even understand, like, the fact. power of lyrics, the power of music, of entertainment in general. Yeah, it's entertainment, but some young kid's going to listen to this. He's going to be like, oh, yeah, you know what? I'm going to go do something stupid. Then you got idiots doing drive-bys thinking that that's cool. Drive-bys are, that's not cool. If you do a drive-by, who knows who you're going to hit. But why? Because you got pumped up on some fucking idiots saying something about a drive-by on a song, and you think that's cool. People do not understand the power behind their lyrics and their words. So that's why I'm saying to me it's just funny

It's like you're talking all this stuff Like they say now all cap and your rap But you don't realize like you could have blood on your hands Like you said earlier Have blood on your hands So I look at it like talk about something that you actually do If you're in love with a girl Talk about that

Make some music that everyone can relate to That's real Yeah I think a lot of the people that are more willing to speak about That kind of shit and like their lyrics for people that haven't really had dealt with the consequences of that kind of shit. It's not funny to talk about when you actually lost a family member. You lost a mother.

You lost a mother. I had a friend of mine who lost his mother and they had a friend of mine who lost his mother and they didn't even targeting them in reality. And I think the misconception of everyone is that those things are kind of glorified by the older heads when in reality they are not okay with that shit. They're really not. Yeah, it's weird because it's like there's no shortage of young hothead 18 year olds and there's no shortage of 40 year old dudes who can tell them that. it's a bad idea. Same with drugs. Yeah, the generation has been in prison.

You know what I mean? They've been incarcerated. They haven't had the opportunity to really, like, have the direct influence on these kids. You know what I mean? I think as we're seeing, a lot of these older heads get out of prison, you would think that people have a misconception on their thought process because their thought process is to maneuver their people out of that shit into different avenues. I think there's an understanding of the power of political influence, the power of mass

media marketing. I think there's an understanding of a full-blown propaganda war on the youth. of Los Angeles and the youth of the nation in a sense to be pushed towards drugs and violence in a large sense. And when we see these artists that get pushed by these labels and back by these labels, the thematic structure of their songs and everything else kind of

rings the same constantly. It's putting these kids in some situations that they don't really know what the consequences are. I mean, I think that's been very problematic if we've seen and you see the major labels kind of they play along with it completely. You know what I mean? At a certain point, I don't like

being a conspiracy theory or something shit like that because I don't like playing those games, but it gets more and more obvious that, okay, you guys are either seeing the numbers of this and seeing that this sells well, or you guys are kind of perpetrating this consistency of just fucking the youth of this country being influenced by people that don't really understand

the realities on the ground. Yeah, I think it's just easy to sell war. Yeah. Like, that's just something that forever will be attractive to people. You know, it's like, when we think about like conscious rap throughout our lives, like how much it was really like

made an impact on you in comparison to the number of times you heard a song and there was some gangster as shit and you were like oh that's hard you know it's just like an easier emotion to have I think the idea of what is gangster is like really miss thought out in a way because I mean as I said that the older heads don't really

play along with the bullshit they see in here you know I mean I don't think there's really a backing from the older heads like in Los Angeles all Southern California even the whole country if you speak to the older people that have actually been to prison and dealt with the consequences of living that kind of life, the same story keeps on coming.

It's like, live different. You know what I mean? Their advice to the youth is to stay away from that shit. Focus on making money and living your own life. At the end of the day, it doesn't make dollars. It's not going to make sense for these kids. And I think a lot of them kind of run to these artists that kind of push them in a bad direction just because it's easier to deal with that than it is to deal with like educating

yourself or putting yourself in a good financial position. It's easy to kind of turn to that like worst element of things because they could just pick up a gun and do whatever the fuck you want at the end of the day. But to do it with some honor and do it some class and do it with some thought out respect is a whole different avenue that I don't think these kids have ever really been under before. And I'm very, very glad to see the older heads

kind of come in and want to have some influence on this world and the messages that are being put out there. Because if they're going to make money pretty much based on the crazy shit that they did back in the day, you know what I mean? Using those themes and their music, they have to do it with the understanding that, you know what I mean? That they have to do something good for positive.

for these kids as well. I mean, I think youth authority and the juvenile system out here in California has really created, like, a lot of different kids that put them in really weird situations at the end of the day. I mean, like, my brother went to juvenile hall. It came out a complete different person. I think it's, like, it's almost more hot in the juvenile halls in the WIA system than I think it is, let's say, when you're getting processed into the county.

And I mean, they get put into a whole different world, like immediately, and they come out way different. I've seen it over the years consistently. You know what I mean? Like, there's no real rehabilitation being done. There's no real education being done. They just kind of push them into even the worst-case scenarios constantly. And I don't think there's been any, like, be it government-wise or education-wise.

These kids are all going to underfunded, un overcrowded schools. You know what I mean? So when you got a mixture of a horrible political system and a horrible education system, backed by the music industry that's pushing all these themes on these kids, you create this, like, Tinderbox. And then they act surprise when kids get killed over this kind of shit. But the reality is, it's like they perpetrate it, you know, they keep it going. And I think that's kind of always been my back, my issue with the music industry is that, I mean, some of the meetings that I've had with some major labels that would it come certain kids, I'm like, well, we know this kid needs to get off fucking drugs and everything else if he's going to really succeed in this going forward. And it's always just like a laugh off and push to the side. You never see them put these kids into any type of rehabilitation programs. There's no mental health thought process to any of it. You know what I mean? They don't help them get therapists. They don't help them get psychiatric shit whatsoever. They just kind of expect them to keep on going. So,

It's a mixture of not having any good mentors and just perpetrating a bunch of bullshit at the end of the day when the older heads don't even agree with them even talking like that. You know what I mean? And it's their stories that kind of get told in this music and they're not okay with it. At the end of the day, they want to see positive avenues for their youth and they're not going to change the thematics of a lot of the music is being put out.

Like I said, a lot of these kids are really living this kind of life and fast forward. But I think there's a desire for everyone to slow the fuck down a little bit and kind of take, really take advantage of the position they have in a positive way. And it's easy to say that at the end of the day. But you know what? If they show it and they actually try, you know what I mean? I think there will be a really good influence here in Los Angeles.

These kids listen to these kids, bro, and they really, really grab on to, like, any big popping artists. I mean, if we look at everyone from like MoneySight's Sway, I just seen the way the crowd reacts to them, and it's all young Mexican kids, you know what I mean? So we have an opportunity here that they have these, like, figurehead kids coming in. that could really push the right messaging. You know what I mean? And I think it's very important that they have the backing of the older heads

and people have actually dealt with the consequences of a lot of these situations to really steer them in the right directions. Right. I mean, I have a lot of experience in the industry and shit like that. And any way I could provide that to help them navigate those roads, I will.

How did you have tapped them with peso? With these kids, with Swifty. Swiftie Blue is the first one I actually met. And he's kind of played a mentor role for all these kids as well. Okay. Yeah, we got Pesol here quick. Pesol.

Yeah, we got Paiso here, though. Introduce us. Paiso? Adam 22. How are you doing, G? You want to give us a little background on where you come from, Baisel? Shit, I'm from the park site,

Maywood, Huntington Park. You know, we're right there. Nobody really knows, like, oh, Maywood, where's that? South Central. We're like five, ten minutes from right there. Yeah. Okay, so how did you meet Trap from your perspective?

I made him through, it was at a meeting greet. Was 50? Yeah, we threw in Maywood and shit. He pulled up with a couple of homies, D-Boy and shit, so I already knew off the top of those good people's. Okay. How'd you start rapping? I know you already heard about my boy Swade.

Yeah. Yeah, he got me into rapping. Swade blowing up. He was your boy before music? Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. So I was on bullshit, in and out of jail and shit. So he was like, he was getting ready to do a year in the county.

And he was like, man, I want to come home and you this time fucked up for real or you dead. And he knew, like, I was rapping, but I wasn't like taking it serious. So he was like, come to the studio and shit. And then after I did my first song, like, like my first song like that I fucked with, it was just a rap from right there. So it wasn't like for him like, hey, pull up. Like he didn't just give a fuck like, man, like he just wanted to help me, you know? Right.

I would have probably been dead in jail right now. Wait, so you were in the streets that heavy before this? Yeah, for sure. It was getting crazy? Yeah. These kids really live the life that they rap about. You know what I mean? It's kind of something that I've looked at

and wanted to come in and kind of have some influence over these youth because I think they have a great opportunity here and they're getting and they're blowing the fuck up. I mean, they really are. The numbers speak for themselves. They're selling out concerts quick as hell and people are screaming the words along with them. I mean, shit.

I don't think they really saw that coming that quickly, bro. How many songs do you actually have, like, really be released right now? Probably like five or so. Yeah. Like five or so. Okay, but so we're having a slow conversation

about, you know, young kids coming up and getting wrapped up and all this crazy shit. From your perspective, how do you think, like, it actually makes sense to try to, like, keep kids out of trouble or keep them away from doing 10, 20 years in prison like some of the guys we were just speaking to? Like, from a younger perspective?

Yeah, like, from your perspective. See, you can't really like, you really can't. Like, like me, if I'm hearing somebody tell me, hey, don't do this, don't do that. But I'm broke and I need it. I'm going to do what I got to do it to get what I want. You feel me?

So like, and then shit, like saying, all right, stay out of gang violence or stay out of violence. If, and this is just me speaking for me. I can't speak for everybody else. But if my brother would have got to get knocked down, I'm going to do what I got to do. Feel me? So you can't really, you can't really do too much to stop somebody.

It's just whether they take that advice or not. Provide better opportunities and better situations. They don't have to make those kind of decisions as well. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? If they're not, if they're in the environment, 10, 9 times out of 10, that's what they're going, you know. But if they're not in the environment, they're good.

They got paper. They, you know, whatever, they're not going to do it. Unless they're just one of those weird kids that just have a mom, my dad, everything, and still try to live that life, then good luck. He's going to either snitch or do some weird shit. You've seen a lot of that? Well, me personally, no, there's not too many, like,

kids with money where I'm from, so not. But I've seen it before, like, I've heard about it, and shit. But where I'm not. It's usually kids that don't really come from the kind of background, come from very stable homes and kind of choose to jump into the gang life or some shit like that, and they're the ones that kind of make those, like, really shitty. decisions. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, like those are the ones that end up snitching and they end up doing

really stupid shit and getting people hurt for no reason. But the kids have actually lived in these environments and have dealt with the consequences of those situations. Like they're very, they're much more smart by how they navigate these things. Right. I mean, so of course, we're never going to tell these kids not to live the life that they're living or do what the things that they're doing, but if we can provide better resources and better avenues from the really take care of situations that would normally lead to situations like that, put them back in prison or wherever the case may be. Right. I mean, it just needs to be done. Definitely. You want to introduce us your other friend here?

Go ahead, boy. It's a fan first. Run two studios out here in the valley. You know, same thing. Get to use, the little homies, the opportunity to record for the low, sometimes for free. Just, you know, I'd rather see them in their recording that in the casket or anywhere else. You know, in the street just keeps them out of trouble, you know. I did 13 years myself, so I know. I know how that goes. God damn. I think these guys see themselves in a lot of these little kids, bro, not to say little kids, but just they see the youth and they see themselves, and it's a mirror to the realities of them. They don't really want them to fall into the same traps that they fell into in reality.

I mean, streets of Los Angeles are a crazy thing. I mean, people of your own color, people, your own race, people of your own neighborhoods, get yourself put you in bad situations. You know, I mean? But I think there's a solid understanding amongst everyone that we need to provide better representation for these kids, give them better role models, and really get them in. different situations than they were before. Right. I mean, I'm gonna be here and do whatever I can do for all these kids at the end of the day. That's good for sure.

You feel like you're like trying to correct for some of the stuff that you kind of feel bad about now in terms of, yeah. Sending low pump to do hits for you and all that shit. It plays into a lot of shit, bro. To be honest with you at the end of the day, like I watch a lot of kids die in these streets. I mean, I've lost a lot of fat. I've seen a lot of families broken up. I've seen people lose their fathers.

brothers to the prison system. You know what I mean? If there's anything that we could do that could positively impact on these kids and provide other resources, you know, that's what we're here to do at the end of the day. And I think there's a collective understanding amongst all that, say, hoods, whatever the case may be, in

California, in Los Angeles, that yeah, we've got to do something for everybody together. There's no real point in warring amongst each other and shit like that. I mean, everyone's kind of over all that 90s shit. You know what I mean? And now they want to build big business. They want to build these kids into huge acts. You know what I mean? And they really

want a part of everything. Definitely. Payso, you making money out here? How's it going? How are we monetizing right now? Yeah, I'm doing all right. Yeah? We got to get you fucking Twitch streaming and shit like that too, right?

Yeah, yeah. You were signed up, you signed a Gazi right now, correct? Yeah. Oh, so you did the Empire deal. Yeah. Who set that up, TK? Nah, that was me. That was huge.

Yeah. You're a resourceful kid, dude. Damn, look at that. That's what's up. Yeah, what else are you into, aside from music and trapping? No, no, actually, I ain't ever trapped in my life. I'm just kidding. There's an honesty to these kids.

It's refreshing, bro. To be honest with you, they don't really say shit they don't do. Trapping is just a metaphor for, you know, getting it one way or another, right? Yeah, I wasn't good at that shit. How old were you when you first went to jail or caught a case? 13. 13 years old. What was the case for?

Did you have, like, family that they were involved in shit? well like see I mean I can't really say too much you know what I'm saying yeah he was raised well smart kid

don't speak even when your elders are asking you on a podcast they are very very smart bro and that's to be honest that's what I like about these kids

at the end of the day is that they are smart right where I saw the other kids kind of like for South Florida kind of take the lead whoever was fucking

talking the craziest these kids have like a reservation to themselves like they step and take a little step back with that kind of shit bro I'm very happy to see it, to say at least.

Yeah. I mean, he structured it on, got himself a deal by himself. Yeah. That's pretty fucking crazy in and of itself. You know what? Somebody helped me out was Daveo. Oh, Mazzy manager? Yeah.

Yeah. Because he, he, what's it called, like my flow and my style? Like, it reminds him a lot about over there. Yeah. So he kind of like, he had commented under one of my, one of my posts, but I never knew Who's the first thing that you had that really went viral? Six blocks

I recorded it in August and I was on a run so I never dropped it and then I dropped in December and when I dropped in December we got rated in January so I was down for six months You got rated because of the music or unrelated?

Like sometimes music videos and shit It was like a we got that was already looking for us So I guess like me being a rapper they kind of knew where I'm gonna be now more often So they hit the studio boom pick me up for some stupid shit Got out and then pick me up again because of rap So social media shit get people fucked up real quick bro fuck they pick me up again because of rap and then I ended up doing like six months of house stress I got out for like a week and went straight back in oh man

So I really haven't got to do shit other than I haven't got to do no shows no well I have But like as a guest because you know that I got out I got out on house service again and then they try to hit me with some other shit So I cut it off. I mean that's what's up there's not you cut the fucking ankle monitor off oh man that's what's up now I was like wait a minute I probably shouldn't be endorsing that behavior No because we already had a swayed interview schedule so we're supposed to be doing that at some point you feel like there's a whole new way going on in LA right now? Shit, for sure, yeah. It's the Mexicans' turn.

For sure. It's our turn. It's really that, like, California or Southern California, Mexican is a much different beast than, let's say something, some of the other ones have been pushed. I mean, Kid Cuddy's half Mexican,

you know, whenever it speaks to him being, yeah, he's not representative of Mexican culture here at all, so people don't even realize that, you know what I mean? Like, and it's been crazy to see these kids, like, really... I don't know, I'm very good at reading shit quickly when I see certain metrics start popping up

and I look at the metrics of him from the YouTube videos and the plays, I'm like, okay, this is about to pop. It's about to go to a whole other level. And it really is. I mean, all these kids, I think Swade's been kind of a positive influence on some of these kids as well at a young age. Yeah.

I mean, we just see him speaking about it right there. You know what I mean? Like, it's good to have some type of figurehead involved that really knows what's going on and understands it. I mean, the crowd really, these kids really listen to each other more than sometimes they even listen to their, older heads, you know what I mean? Like, because these kids, the kids live in the same lives,

you know what I mean? And it's easy, it's much easier to understand and listen to advice from someone that you know is living your day to day as opposed to someone outside of that, like, realm. Yeah, what do you listen to and what do you come up listening to, like, when you're younger? When I was younger, it was none, but like, pot, my, uh, my, my, deep, shit like that. Wow, that's fucking good to hear. You know, I hear that from a lot of younger guys these days. Yeah, so that was me, like, my, you know, You know, Dre, whole NWA, all of them. It was just shit like that.

You got you into Mobb Deep? My uncle. It's so East Coast that I'm surprised to hear you say that. I felt a younger generation out here wouldn't necessarily gravitate towards Mobb Deep, even though they are some of the hardest, some of the hardest albums of all time. I think the Wu-Tang Mob Deep has a big influence on Mexicans and stuff. I mean, people haven't really think about. Really?

Remember when like Wu-Air got really big. got here at one point. You know what was it? Yeah, it was mostly like Asians and everything else wearing it at that point. But I think East Coast hip hop, especially the reality of that generation of music like Mabdi, Putin, and the like, they really were speaking about shit they were actually doing and living around them. You know what I mean? As opposed to people are just kind of telling stories. Right.

I think these kids that are real, kind of picked up real quick who was like saying real shit as well. I feel it. Anything left that we should talk about? Anything like to say, Paiso? Fuck the haters You got a little one locked up Right I'm a letter I'm gonna you there still

You know it's yeah It's easy to forget about Free Grito Yeah a lot of these kids like represent Like a lot of their dead homies You know what I mean like It's crazy to me But everybody in this room right now

Has like a bunch of people That are dead right now From the same shit that they're talking about And they're rap And they want to get big And blow the fuck up Because their homies They didn't get the chance

You know what I mean So a lot of these kids Are there representative of a whole group of people. I mean, when you have dead homies behind you, it's different. You know what I mean? You have a different weight on your shoulder. It's a cross to bear.

It's much different than just fucking saying some stupid shit. You never really lived it. These kids actually already been to jail. Already fucking seen shit go bad. You know what I mean? So I want to see these kind of kids get big position out here because they're actually, if the culture is going to push in that direction

and the media is going to push that direction, then I'd rather see these kids bubble up and really blow up as opposed someone who's bullshit. I think everyone's kind of tired of seeing these fake fucking gangsters and the fake street people talking all this shit that they never really actually lived. Call them out.

Name names. I don't know. Call them out. Come on. I don't know. I think it's pretty obvious at the end of the day that, you know, I definitely put a lot of kids in position that maybe I shouldn't have.

Really? You know what I mean? Like maybe I shouldn't have given them connections to labels, connections to radio people. You know, maybe I shouldn't have given them all that. You know what I mean? They didn't relive the life that I live and understand the things that I did.

you know what I mean? And secondly, got kind of access to those resources. That's like the last time you hear from them. It's sort of certain case. You know what I mean?

But at the end of the day, I think there's a collective understanding of everybody that we want to see these kids blow the fuck up and then we're going to do everything we can to help them get there in a positive way as best we can.

I mean, the thematics of the music isn't going to, we can't really define how they're going to rap at the end of the fucking day. Right. But how they carry themselves, you know, I mean,

how they really go operating, how they're organized. I think there's a lot to be done in the background that could really give them a position to really, he should be on LA radio. I mean, Swade should be on LA radio. And I think the reality is if these, if the demographics of their listeners is going to stay to the people that are actually here, it needs to start representing the kids that are

actually living in these situations that are listening to these radio stations and the like. I mean, there's a lot of marketing done to the youth in high schools and the like. You know what I mean? I just want to see the kids that are really living this life, really get an opportunity to profit from this wave. If this is, it's going to be what it is at the end of the same. the day but yeah happy to see everybody maybe they could be like a slim jesus of the mexican

la world where they get like a white kid to come in and kind of do that exact style you see you know kinds of like different it's gonna be all different types of fucking like just talk right there's gonna be all different types of people that come out i mean it's not gonna just be these kids at the end of the day if we look at shit like wutang you had everything from like at o db you had a fucking method man you had jizzle there's people doing different things and i think think we're going to see a whole different wave of kids come out as well as these guys bubble up people are seeing that people like them looking like them living lives they live blowing up and i'm well fuck be mad you start rapping too and i think we're going to see a whole even larger wave come out of

this you know i mean like at the end of the day a lot of these kids learn how to rap and everything else like well they're in ya or they're in a fucking prison cell and they got nothing better to sit there and write in the fucking paper all day long a lot of these kids already have the songs written before they even get out of jail there's no beat there's nothing but they got that shit Let me tell you, I've seen those situations pop up Yeah, they're just doing fucking beach like that, bro. And you're seeing them rap inside like that. Right.

You know what I mean? And it almost brings them back to an early level of hip hop to a certain extent where there was beat boxing and the shit like that. We're seeing almost a reemergence of the early days of hip hop in New York here in the streets of Los Angeles. And I love to see it. And I want to see it going to even bigger. You know what I mean?

It is what it is. Get locked up. Write some verses. Blow up. And then caught trap. Just like that. Call my man, Try.

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