No Jumper - The Troy Ave Interview: Irving Plaza Shooting, Capital Steez & Kendrick Disses, Snitching & More

Episode Date: January 17, 2022

Troy Ave made his way to No Jumper to talk about everything! From his come up, being in the streets, the NY incident, getting out of this crazy situation, raising kids, media scrutiny and more! https://www.instagram.com/troyave/ ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast in the world. Today we're in here with Troy Ave. How you feeling, Troy? I'm feeling blessed. God is great in the paper straight. How you feeling? Pretty good. I'm glad I'm finally here, man.

I knew he had a couple of, I know I was giving her hell. It wasn't my fault, man. You got COVID a couple times or something, right? No, no. Somebody and my family got COVID, and I had to watch the kids. But COVID is a new excuse for everything, right? That's a good excuse, actually, honestly. It actually is, yeah.

Like, my kids' mother called COVID, and then I had to have the kids, and then it was a bunch of other shit going on. like, you know, I got mad businesses and, you know, fucking, it doesn't matter when you want to be ready if a fucking, a tenant is calling your property manager, 10-subs out of 10. The property manager don't know what the fuck they're doing. So they got to call me for approval. Sometimes you got to just a bunch of dumb shit happens. Like, there was a girl who flew out here from the East Coast to do an interview, and then

I got COVID and I had to tell her, like, yo, I can't do the interview. Oh, that was whack. I mean, you flew across the country and you got a. hotel and all this shit you probably spent thousands of dollars but it's also it's like you can't be mad at me for saying i can't do the interview i just i said bro we got to do this on Skype bro you got to Skype this interview we could have done that from the east coast like it yeah it's no that is true though yeah i fucking i left oh my i left all my jury in the airport i try to like come later or whatever like a lot of it in a fucking airport you forgot it bro i i just got like a new jewelry case for

uh christmas and shit so a lot of times you got to watch the gifts you except from people's Sometimes people will be having negative shit on you, and they don't, so they might give you some shit, like, if it's a chick that you ain't fucking with and she'd give you a car, that might fucking crash. You know what I'm saying? So somebody who was just like, whatever, they might have been a little jealous.

They gave me a jewelry box. I'm like, you know what? I don't never really use jewelry boxes. I put my shit in like a, I got like a Louis Vuitton. What's the shit called for men? What's the bags we keep all shaving shit in? Oh, the toilet tree bag?

Toothie bag. I just throw the jewelry in there. So I'll switch it up, cool. And I'm getting out of the, the airport and it's like, you know, chilling, I say, yo, let me just throw my hoodie on. I throw the fucking hoodie on. By the time I leave and come

away out here, I'll go to get my shit and I'm like, where's on my shit? So we're in the process of calling the airport now. Hopefully they search some cameras or whatever, and hopefully I get my shit back, but... Well, that'll be a pretty fucking serious L if you don't, huh? Big L. It's a big L,

but I look at your life different now. You know what I'm saying? Where it's like, as long as I got my health, I I don't care about no money. I don't cherish money because I got money and that shit ain't about shit. I could always get more jewelry. As long as I got my health, I'm good. But it's like, it's fucked up.

You know you got to speak shit. You got to say different shit to yourself to try to psych yourself up. It's a big hell. I don't appreciate you saying that because I was trying to go another direction. But you just took me to thinking it's a big L again. And, you know, it's fucking crazy. I'll be all right. That's one reason I don't want to own jewelry is because if I ever lost it or.

But I don't even, like, I don't be giving a fuck about jewelry. I wear it for, like, shows off. I'm doing video and shit, you know what I'm saying? I probably buy more jewelry for people than I have. Like, as long as I got a Rolex watch and my people's got rollies, I'm good. But I don't give a fuck about mad jury, but I'm shooting videos while I'm out here. Right. And that's why I bought on my shit.

And it's just like, and I got new shit that I just bought them. I'm just like fucking pissed, man. So I ain't even put insurance in the shit yet, so it ain't even like I could go and do a claim. Right. I'm sure you've done interviews with a million people that, like, don't remember you from the early days of your career, but I could definitely say that I, A, use one of your songs in a BMX video in, like, 2012. Oh, that's. Damn, that's Brooks in my back, man.

Bingo, yeah. And, oh, fuck, what was the name of the song? Don't leave me hanging, man. Look at you, man. If I go look at the, oh, my dad. You know what I'm saying? Sunglasses, I got no peripheral, you know? Right, right.

But then also, yeah, yeah, I remember, like, you doing, I think, was a sway or breakfast club or whatever at the time? And you're just talking about, like, crazy-ass shit that I could not believe you were talking about, like, in terms of strategy of dressing up like a basketball player and shit. Oh, and I used to stay in my drug dealing days. Yeah, facts.

I used to, you got to just be smart. You can't be like a, like, I got an OG who's like the only OG I have. And he's like, I call him OG because he's successful as shit. He's not just, an OG is not just somebody that's older than you. I don't mean shit. But he, like, successful and taught me real game. And like, he's not just like, yo, he used to sell jugs on a block. And now he's fucking a garbage man or some shit.

No offense to garbage man, but like, he's still got, you know, multi-million dollar homes in multiple places. Bentley's in the garage. Girl, always job, like that's how it's supposed to be. I feel like if you risk your freedom for years, you're supposed to be like that. You know what I'm saying? You ain't gonna risk your freedom to be fucking basic.

But you're saying this dude put you on early on? He put me on a game and he always said like, you can't do, you, if you, if you're saying, you can't be a dumb criminal. If you're going to commit crimes, you say you don't want to do, like, have two wrongs. So if you're out of town and you trafficking fucking a kilo or coke, you want to make sure you're not also driving with a suspended license.

Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? So just different shit like that. So I'm like, if I'm going to go take bricks in my backpack, was for me taking a train and, you know, dressing up like I'm a basketball player. Like, you know, like a little fucking regular basketball player, book bag, short slippers, have a bag.

I'm bouncing through Grand Central Terminal going to get on a train of Connecticut. But and then I would just up like I'm a business working guy with a messenger bag, Swiss, whatever that brand is. And button up shirt, glasses on. But I was really fucking a bird in the bag or whatever. But like you don't want to look like you don't want to look like a drug dealer if you really are a drug dealer. It makes no sense. No, definitely. It's fucking dumb.

Yeah, 100%. Yeah. So, you know, he told me that shot to him. That's what's crazy. I know a lot of people who got power for, like, trafficking drugs because they were just driving around with, like, while smoking weed. That's dumb. He always something, that's date.

That's rule number one. Yeah. You don't smoke weed in your car if you got drugs in the car. It makes absolutely no sense. That's probable cause. I just saw one of my people's this other day, he driving around doing his thing, getting money, and something happened, and he had to get up off the scene because, you know, his license wasn't no good, strapped in the car, all kind of wild shit.

and I'm like, yo, you still don't have your license? We spoke about this shit a couple months ago. Right. I say, you bugging the fuck out, though. Like, worst case scenario, if you get arrested and you go to jail for some drugs in your car, like, at least if you have your license, then you got a case for improbable search or whatever. Right. You know what I mean?

And then he's just like, yeah, yo, you're right, but, you know, you could fucking lead a horse to water. But, you know, so all my criminals out there just trying to have to pile up multibular. crums on top of crumbs. If you ride and dirty, have a license. That's a fact. Because you could beat that case. It's like these kids are so out of whack with the idea that if you're going to be a criminal,

that you have to be low-key as well. I don't know if you're familiar with, and I'm not trying to say that he's guilty or nothing, but Kay Flock from the Bronx recently got picked up for allegedly shooting somebody and killing him while wearing some, like, $2,000 Amiri jeans

and some crazy-ass, unreleased Jordans and shit. That's nuts. He did have a mask on, to his credit, but I mean, like, if this did play out the way that the cops were saying it played out, it's like you can't be wearing your nicest outfit when you're going to do a drill, right? But the way they said it, like somebody came out and approached himself. Maybe he might be innocent. Maybe he might, or even though you can't have guns in New York, but maybe he might be innocent.

That's like the best argument is that we don't know what really happened outside of the peripheral of that camera. You know, he might have been just defending himself, but either way. Well, that's not nothing. This takes a cake. I had some people that I know that they end up getting into some type of shit allegedly and they had on fucking company jackets

of the record label and I'm like what? And then we find out from you know the hip hop police like hey you guys sell those jackets to everybody or they're just people in the company and I'm like what the fuck are you talking about so whatever they did? even if you could say it wasn't you, you got on the jacket of the company.

That's like you're going to do something with a fucking no jumper hoodie on, but you got a mask on. You know what I'm saying? Right. So it was like crazy. So like you said, don't, just try not to hot yourself up if you're going to do something. Even though we promote peace, we don't promote unnecessary violence, man. Yeah, you seem like you kind of, you've grown up a lot since I first started paying attention to your music and your career. I mean, it's just with life.

I mean, I'm still with all the bullshit. But even like with my first music, if you listen to my very first records, I was never talking about unnecessary violence. I was never, you can't find nowhere in my rhymes where I'm like,

yo, he got something nice, go rob him. I don't believe in that. Like, you don't know what a man worked hard for. If somebody got something nice, I'm like, yo, that's some shit. How you get that? And then let me get motivated

and then I'll go get my own. So I never talk about killing people for no reason, no, shoot. Like, it's always a reaction. If somebody do something to you, then it's whatever. you know what I mean so that's how I carry myself but now I just promoted more but I always

been like that since life I never did know besides being like a teenage kid with no real guidance not known any better I was never into no robberies and a bunch of dumb shit like that I feel like you got to carry yourself as a respectable man and just do on the others as you were one done to yourself as much as possible so were you a rapper who then started hustling to afford to work on his rap career or were you a hustler who then decided to as a rap about it. So this is what actually happened. I was on when I was younger, I was on, like, you know,

in streets like 15 and shit like that. And then we had like a bunch of, you know, that's when the gangs flooded New York and shit. And a bunch of my friends was in gangs and then. So I saw it as like a way to, well, you know what? I'm selling little weed and shit. Let me use this gang shit to go sell some weed and shit. You know what I'm saying?

Since they got a stranglehold on a certain. neighborhood and Flatbush. So I'm selling weed and we're doing robberies, a bunch of little dumb shit. And we used to like smoke weed and freestyle in the hallway. So while I was freestyling hallway, not taking it seriously, but you know I got a homeboy who was running around with me. His brother realized like, yo, damn, you fucking good, whatever,

whatever. So maybe two years past, whatever, I get into some, I get into some shit or whatever, getting a shootout. Then something happened. But long story long, homeboy, which is my man's brother who was running around doing dumb shit with me. Me and my man got into some shit in the streets or whatever. And now they end up locking him up and he took him for attempted murder. And when they took him for attempted murder now, you know, I'm like, fuck, I got away, but I'm feeling like fucked up.

So we had the courthouse outside and his brother was like some military dudes. So he kind of fake, scaring us straight, like, yo, he's being mad dramatic. Yo, y'all out here doing all this bullshit. And now my little brother's going for life. You fucking wasting your life, whatever. You better get your ass in the studio, whatever. Because he was trying to do music shit.

He was trying to be a CEO. So he had put me in the studio before that. And, like, it's one thing to be rapping and smoking weed in the hallway to hearing your voice on the record. Then your voice actually sounds good, too. So he was saying I'm wasting my talent. And then at the same time, I'm like, damn, if I wasn't quick, I'd have been locked up with my man too or whatever.

You know what I mean? So he kind of scared me straight temporarily. And then so the whole time while my man is in jail, I'm like, yo, let me go get in the studio with him just to appease this guy. Because technically I could be and should be in jail too or whatever. Right. So that's when I start doing more music. But then my man ends up getting out or whatever because some cookie underhand shit that end up happening. And then I didn't learn a lesson.

So I stopped fucking around with music, and we backed and running the streets. And then, um, my mom said, Finagle de Bagel got me a good job. I was working for Verraising and shit. And then, um, while I'm working for Verizon. Finagle the Bagel. Somebody write that down.

I'm gonna start saying that. Finagle de Bagel. I got a son called Fanago de Bagel, man. So she Finnego de Begum got me a job. I'm like 17. I'm not supposed to be working permanently. So I'm working. I'm doing my thing.

I'm getting some money. And there was a DJ that was, um, He was working too. DJ Flipside. Shout out to my man, Flipside. Flip's out working and putting out, man, mixtapes and shit like that. So he, like, telling me about the shit,

so I'm getting more interested. I'm like, oh, you know, I rep a little bit before. He, like, word, let me hear some shit. He liked that he put on a mixtape. I ain't think nothing of it. I'm like, whatever. Then somebody from my neighborhood ended up getting a record deal,

and they got a record deal, and they call, like, a hundred thousand. Somebody that we never ended up hearing about? No, he never heard of them. But, you know, like, He ended up disrespect, whatever. I don't care. But, like, he ended up getting a bag.

He ended up getting, like, $100,000, $150,000. He got raped. They signed a mad labor. They fucked him over. But he ended up getting a bag from it. And that was like, wait, this guy is talking about shit that, like, I'm really doing. Like, I was really active running around doing stupid shit. And he talked about this shit.

So I could get money for talking about doing, like, shit that I'm doing. It's crazy. You know what I mean? If he got this much, imagine how much I could. get. So that's when I started taking the rap more seriously. And then I got laid off from the fucking Verizon job. And, um, like, maybe like 18 months later. So that's when I like started, um, calling other DJs to get on these mixtapes. And this one DJ told me, uh, he was like, oh, yeah, I'll put you on my tape is $1,200 or whatever, something like that. And I'm like, $1,200, eat a dick. Fuck I,

you know what I'm saying? Mind you, I didn't have $12 a giveaway. But this is the early days of like getting your song at the end of the mixtape like song number 20. Exactly. So I'm like, all right. I'm like, cool, eat a dick. I hung up on him. I took that same money. Probably a thousand. It wasn't until $100. I took $1,000 and I printed up my own mixtapes.

That's when you hear like early shit like Choi a verse dip set, Choi at verse 50 cent. Choos J unit. And it was my songs and they songs. And I'm really just getting my shit out there. It wasn't like a beefing thing. It was just putting the songs together. And I started selling shit out of my chint. The price was $5.

If somebody had a dollar, I still give it to them long. Because people don't listen to free shit. You feel me? Right. They don't wear free shit. A lot of shit people don't do with free shit. So my goal started being like, oh, this shit could really happen. I'm selling 200 CDs a day at anywhere from $1 to $5 or whatever.

So now I started making more money than I was selling off a little weed or whatever. And like, mind you, the whole time I was working for Verizon, my same homeboy who I got into the shit with. When he got locked up, we was buying $8.000. eight balls from, we had a little Jamaican plug. We was getting eight balls and crack for $80, $90, and we were selling it for $120. So now I got some legitimate working money. I'm flipping eight balls and shit. But it wasn't really shit.

So now I'm selling music and I got the same eight balls, but I stopped buying my own driving around, the crazy shit, driving around selling my music, I run into a plug. Like my first plug, it wasn't my first big plug, but my first plug. I'm in Cretona Park. That's why I got a song called Cretona Park on the new project. Cretona Park in the Bronx. I'm driving through.

I used to come, I had a towel on 22s, and I would go through every block, every avenue, call people to the car, yo, I'm fuck with my shit, it's my new shit, Choy Ave, whatever. And, oh, I, you selling out, yeah, we sell out of the chunk. It's $5, but, you know what I'm saying?

They'd be like, all right, or I ain't got on me, yo, just take it for $3 or whatever. You got to give me something for it. And they just buy it. Cool. I'm selling the music, and I run into a plow. He bought the music.

And then my mom's got a homeboy. My mom's used to, um, she's from Brooklyn and shit. And a homeboy, like, shout to Brian. That's my man. But he gets high. She's known from high school. Brian get high, man.

He just, whatever drugs, he gets high, man. He's coke. Okay? Right. Fucking, whatever you got, he's getting high with. So Brian was like, I was giving Brian, like, some of my little eight balls,

you'll tell you people. When you're selling jokes, you try to spread the word. You'll tell you people, I got it. He's like, yo, T, man, I'm telling you, man, if you need to get some coke, man, like this shit, because sometimes it was trashed. You get drugs cooked up from other people, they stretch it, like, whatever, it's not going to always be fired. He like, man, I'm telling you, get some coke, man, I'm telling you. I'm like, all right, I'm going to look around, whatever, whatever.

It wasn't really looking. I ran into a fucking plug. I'm selling him music, so now it turns into me selling people music to me selling music and telling them, hey, yo, I got eight balls, whatever, because I'm selling the hood. You're doing both. Yeah, I'm selling both. Not doing both. Right.

Oh, yeah. I was doing fucking eight balls. Oh, my gosh, man. I definitely bought some coke in my days. Coking crack is totally different. When I say eight balls, that's crack, man. Right. But, I mean, I've done some coke in my day where, like, you're so drunk that you just keep doing it,

even though you know it's fake. Yeah, I got some. Yo, I had some coke one time that was so good that they was just telling me, no, something's in this. You know how people get with any how it. No, what is this? No, come on, you can tell me your side. Just tell me, what's in this?

No, I'm like, yo, it's straight off the block. I didn't know how to compress this shit at that time. But whatever, that's neither here, no there. Well, you never did crystal meth, right? Well. One time. All right, about that story. One time.

Girl had me going for a couple days in a row, actually. No sleep. In a hundred episodes and no jumper. All right. That shit was rough. Nah, this is way before the podcast. Wow. Yeah.

Meth is a motherfucker. What that shit made you feel like? It's just like, I mean, you could probably, like, guess what Coke feels like from watching Coke heads and shit. It's like that times a hundred. I used think Coke was like wasabi. I used think like and I asked like because it burns so I thought like Coke felt but then some of my

people was like nah it ain't wasabi kid. No, I met this some wild shit like just from doing it that one fucking little day or two. I really saw how a person could do that and then end up just being homeless and tweaking out for the rest of their life. I seen it. I realized why they could get that that point. What the fuck?

That's nuts. So all right. That's crazy. So I, so with the music shit. You just realize he's getting interviewed by a real J. Nah, there's some other real J's. You're not a real J. I'm like, I'm gonna leave my mind. Yeah.

So anyway, now when I start doing that, the plug, he gave me 10, he like, sell me 10 grams for $26 a gram. And because I'm trying to sell him crack. He's like, yo, I got shake a car. I said, worry how much? He said, he got this, boom. He bought a CD, and then he sold me 10 grams, $260. I bring his shit back to Brian.

Brian, like, see, this is. shit, man, watch, watch. And he took me to Club Ciello. Club Ciello's a spot in Manhattan, like around STK and catch all that kind of shit. We're going in Club Ciello, and now we're breaking it down. We're selling 20s and 50s in the club, but Club Ciello's like fucking house music

or some shit like that, whatever it is. But it's like mad, dope. It's like some European shit. It's not like, you know, like house heads to be on the floor. It's like, motherfuck. fuckers with they get in the table with Johnny Walker Blue, you know what I'm saying, and shit like that. So you're a long way from home at this point.

I'm a long way from home. You're just right over the bridge, but it's a long way from home. But Brian is in that world, so he's getting all the 50s and 20s for me. And then we start getting them customers, and they become weekly customers from being at the club to calling me on, it's Tuesdays and Thursday. I was in Club Seattle. They start calling on Wednesday, Monday, whatever. So now I'm getting a good little Coke flow.

And now I go from 10 grams. Something happened at Lose. I don't know what the fuck happened. he disappeared, I don't know. And then I start asking other people in my hood, yo, who got it, boom? So I buy 62 grams, boom, the color of the six deuce.

I buy 62 grams and I put, my man, my man was fucked up. And I had a crackhead living like two two cribs down from my house. Like I lived in like, I'm from Crown Heights. So it was like kind of residential

and, but it's like, you know what I mean? Crown Heights is some shit. So it was a crackhead. He ran out a basement. And he got all those crackhead friends. coming here, his name Gary, shout out to Gary. So my man was fucked up, like, on the paper side. So I say, yo, Gary, listen, I stop fucking with the little bullshit eight balls.

I say, yo, if I put my man in here, right, and let him do his thing, and I let you smoke for free, would you be with it? He said, hell yeah, come on, come on, cool. Now, let me give you who Gary is. Gary, Gary said he had AIDS since 1981, and he said smoking crack is the only thing and made him not die. Wow. And I fucking believe him.

Yeah. I've seen a lot of people downtown who kind of, that seems like their vibe. So, all right, I start doing, like, I start having a little spot there next door. So now Gary teach, he teach my man how to cook. My man teach me how to cook. So now we're not buying eight balls. We're taking a soap. Now I go to 125 grams called the Big Eight.

But you're letting this dude smoke for free just to be able to use his spot. Isn't he, doesn't he then end up smoking an enormous? some out of crack? No, fuck no, because you got to regulate. You did smoke for free really means like wink, wink, you're going to smoke until we say, no, it's enough, or if we don't make money, then you're not smoking. Right. So he's just getting like a little 5%, you know what I'm saying?

So cool. He's, he, um, I end up buying a big eight, so now I'm, now every day I come home, I'm getting money from the eight balls next door because I'm not going to go sell drugs on my own block. That's stupid. See what we talked about having a dumb criminal. But I had my man coming. He could be in that spot.

That's his spot. I'm just getting money off it and I'm supplying it. You know what I mean? So I go from that and I got the customers in clubs yellow and then all this shit is happening together. Now, I sell my own... This is when my music changed from like this music. Then I start going out of town

and that's when I start making bricks in my backpack. I'm in traffic, different shit like that. Like the music, the music changed as I start doing different shit. My music always changes as I do different shit. So you were doing interviews talking about selling drugs while you were actually selling drugs? No, hell no. I would never... By the time you got to the interviews, you were talking about shit that you were no longer doing at that point?

Yeah, like, even in, like, my first... When, what was my first, like, real songs, like, 2014 and shit. Like, on New York City, the album was... I was, like, stopping selling drugs. Bricks in my backpack, I didn't have no interviews. I was just mixtape shit. Nobody was... And it was just online and, you know, in the streets, there wasn't no interviews.

I wouldn't sit down with nobody, you feel? So, but, yeah, I would never talk about shit that I could be, you know, know, indicted for or whatever. But you would talk about some shit that you were doing a year or two ago? Sometimes the statute of limitations on shit, you feel me? So it was like, if I'm saying shit, it's like vague, it's not in detail where, oh, yeah, we knew that crime right there, this was so here, whatever. But you knew that talking about the shit that you had actually done was the shit that was

going to make you elevate above a lot of other rappers at the time who were just kind of and I'm going to tell you why, because at first I was just rapping about basic shit, basic hood shit that most people do fucking fucking with bitches selling a little bit of crack fucking shooting in the street and dressing and flogling regular basic shit that you could do with two dollars but i knew that's what a lot of rappers was talking about but i knew once i started getting into my bricks in my backpack getting money like the harry powder story that type of shit i knew based on people from in brooklyn and New York, they wasn't doing it like that, because I could look at their videos.

I'm like, if you look at my first videos, you see me get money. The Benz is mine. The fucking Rolea is mine. Whatever big chains I had on, those are mine. You know what I'm saying? The women, like, I had that all that shit in my first video. Most people first videos, they'd be broke, so it'll be capital. You're not telling me you're moving bricks and shit.

And that was a time period where a lot of the rappers who were out were not really like, you know, they really weren't effectively portraying themselves as people. people with money. There was a lot of like rapping in the fucking park in Brooklyn and shit when you go back to those days. It's kind of like, damn, these dudes was really wearing the same shit that everybody else was wearing. That's the fact. A lot of just talking fly shit, but I knew like, I knew like I had to figure out like I had to carve my niche as they say, like what could I do better than anybody? And I know I could talk that getting money shit, having birds, like not just talking about having a little bit of coke or whatever bag. Like people, they'll be selling,

they'll have 28 grams and they'll be rapping about. selling bricks i know because i sold you 28 grand you feel me so like i knew that nobody could talk that that's how i could talk it and really that was like that's what set me apart and made me like level up even though this is like right after the like jz and Gucci era of like them coming out with the crazy coke wrap and so it was like at that time everybody was talking like there were some crazy coke kingpin but not in new york like they like they was trying but it you had to prove it and down south down south is different that's i I love how down south people be like having a bunch of money sitting everywhere.

Like, you know, down south is really the trap. It's not fucking police constantly trying to be in your shit. Like, you could be rural and get money. We got to get money in the city with fucking cameras on the block and bullshit or whatever. So, like, that was inspirational, though, like, seeing that type of shit. You know what I'm saying? And I just really put, I just applied depression and just went hard. I'm going to say, not only am I going to talk about it, I'm going to talk about it in detail that.

that a fucking cap rapper can't do. You feel me? And that's going to go to a different audience. Anybody can talk about getting money. But when you talk about compressors and isotone and you're giving somebody fucking 125 grams, if somebody really doing it, they're going to be like different shit in my lyrics.

I might be like, I gave you 126 grams because I added a point for the bag. You know, that's shit that people's not thinking about. You know what I'm saying? So just a little different. If you cook and crack, it smell like fruity pebble. in a bowl, like... Is that true?

Yeah, that's a fact. Like, good type of coke. It's gonna smell like that. I've never been around crack cooking, to be honest with you. Yeah, that's a blessing, man. A lot of people can't say they ain't been around crack, man. I was saying that to my girl the other day.

I'm surprised I've never seen anybody shoot drugs up. Specifically heroin or really anything. I don't like seeing that shit. That shit is disturbing. It's just like the whole effect. You feel bad for me. I learned like, I didn't have a lot of empathy

and sympathy for people. It was like, fucky, you want to get hottest on you, but to see like a dope thing shoot up and then be nod in the street, and then a little drop of blood, that's just disgusting, then. So I hope everybody over dope, get off dope. Like, that's not a drug to do.

You can do some coke if you want to smoke some weed, but shooting up dope, then it goes from the pills to the dope. So, yeah, I don't fucking that. Does that seem kind of suicidal in retrospect that you were showing off the money that you had made in the streets on such a level at that time?

No, because it was more subtle. It was like, all right, I had to bring new bands. They don't know if, they don't know if I was fucking on having that shit pay for like if I'm paying high-ass card it was like most people I don't know if I that I paid it off um I had a roly they don't know if it was gifted it wasn't like I wasn't doing like his show man I would never show like no bricks I would never show I used to have like 50,000 in the safe under a futon like it's crazy

I'm still living in my mom's career with mad bricks and my dresser and I had to like snap out like what the fuck is you doing go get an apartment I mean, get the fuck out of here. Right. But, you know, that's just the ignorant mentality we come from. But I never show, like, I never would show no guns in my videos because, like, I know. That's suicidal in New York. Because any, like, what if I'm outside, God forbid something happening?

I'm going to defend myself. And then the fuck, they're going to say, yeah, you did it. Look, the same gun he got shot with you had it in this video. So I'm never showing no guns that could be used or whatever, you feel? Me, so. Especially this day and age, man, every rap. So many rappers that are facing. charges based on shit that the cops

would not be able to put together if it wasn't for Instagram and they'd be like oh the internet is snitching now you put it together yourself you told you you said look here's the gun right here I'm hit you with a fucking drako and the guy got shot with a drako and you had a drako right there it's crazy they got pushaise

off the serial numbers on the bills free pushaisty man I don't understand that that's crazy and he copped out too right yeah like so he was showing the money and he's saying that those serial numbers match this that's something scene of a crime, yeah.

That's some diabolical shit. Nobody would ever, I don't even know if I'm using diabolical in the right term, but it just sounds dope right there. I would have never thought that you'd be able to see the serial number from the music video. That's some shit you wouldn't even think about. You're like, oh, I'm good. It's just money. I got it from any way.

Who the fuck will put that together? They had to really have a hard room for him as they would say. Hell, yeah. He's the definition of doing, like, blowing up and then just continuing to basically be the same person. and then when he gets his reality check, it's not just like, oh, here's a reality check. You've got to go to jail for a month or two. No, it's like you're probably going to do like fucking five plus years.

That's crazy. From your first reality check once you got famous. The only thing I like to look at the, I like to take lemons and make lemonade from whatever the fuck lemons they throw. The only good bright side of it that he could look at is like, yo, listen, oh, you was probably going to go to jail anyway. At least you got a break before you went to jail and you got to make mad money and all kind of shit.

So when you come home, you could probably still make a little bit more money, but you made more money than you were ever making your life if you just went to jail from being yourself regular doing shit that you was going to do.

So he got to take the blessing in that. For sure. This is really like coming full circle right now because I just remember that back in the day, I interviewed this journalist and he told the story about getting punched in the face.

You know it's crazy. I'm glad you wanted to say back in the day. And he told me off camera that it was an essential. assailants sent by Troy Ave to punch him in the face because he wrote a negative review about your music. First of all, I heard about this dumb story, man. Somebody punched him in the face. It's like fucking people like my shit at the time.

Like, why are you trying to chop me down? And I think the same journalist, I don't know for the same one, whatever, but I seemed like, it felt like mad journalists was coming from me. Like, I was getting a lot. I still get a lot of hate from everything from fucking media from Peter for wearing furs. for fucking fake gangster rappers from widow rappers like whatever whatever the fuck

but um I was getting mad hate and I took I took this journalist from oh man where the fuck they was from it was like vice pitch for one vice I think is if it's the one I'm thinking of it was vice it was some shit that I took them out

and I just took them in the hood we was in and we went to a Dominican spot got some cheeshered on the poyo we were chilling we were just in my hood that does make it feel different than just him writing an article because like if he was with you in your neighborhood

and that happened then it does feel a little more personal now I don't know if this is the same journalist but like I showed him mad love all kind of shit and then when he's writing an article we ride around I probably sold some music or whatever

I didn't show him you sell no drugs and no shit like that but like I remember him writing an article and he like yeah and I'm pretty sure Troy has on with the gun I'm like why the fuck would you write that that's for your protection as well

is mine. That's great. You feel me? So then somebody else came and he just, I think what he was is like, I think a lot of times like people be offended. Like sometimes when you confident, it makes people insecure. You feel me? Like, I'm never like cocky. I don't shit on people. If I'm talking about myself and you feel shit on, then that's not my problem. I'm not saying, look at you with your fucking $2 pants. And I don't have a thousand dollar pens. I'm just saying, man, he $1,000 is fire. You know what I'm saying? And then a lot of times I'm dealing with women at that So I felt like I probably had some relations with somebody's girl and they got upset about it or whatever. And it was just like a media blitz about me.

And this person wrote Cho-Hav is the worst rapper since George Bush. And I'm like, how fucking. He's like, they compare me to the rap George Bush. I'm like, pitchfork just said, I'm the best thing of fresh air from New York. And they gave me like a 7.5 or 8 and they give people zeros. Right. Or bricks in my back. Like, where are you coming from with such a far?

fucking opinion, far left opinion or whatever. But that was especially, like, those are kind of the early days of people really figuring out that you could write a blog tearing somebody down and that it would go crazy. And that, realistically, if you write a blog and you say, yeah, Troy Ave is pretty dope. And I like it when he seemed like a nice guy, ain't nobody clicking. I'm going to acknowledge, but I think it's, like, stupid because, like, I never try to get, I never try to Cholo get acknowledgement from hate because, like, you want to invite that energy now when somebody is punched in the face

as fuck now you want to talk about it as opposed to if you write a good article oh shit I'm gonna yo drinks on me wherever you at you might be out dinner

with your girl yo don't worry I got the bill like why not invite that energy not saying write some good shit about my shit if it's whack if it's whack say that

but in journalism I think it's supposed to be like you're not supposed to be personalized it right is that true you're not a journalist right yeah

I mean some people would say that that was a journalist you shouldn't make it about yourself. But I would say that most somewhat relevant journalists involve some percentage of themselves. Relevant because they like fucking troll and be voiceless and shit like that. But I mean like me and academics and Vlad and shit, we're all basically like the modern day like hip-hop journalists that have kind of risen to the top of the pile.

And I don't think anybody thinks that we can't get touched. I used to fuck with Vlad. It's on us to not get touched. You know, like there's definitely people who would want to touch us if they could. Yeah, yeah. My brother told me you, he's talking about. shit about me. He's like, oh, you're going to do no jump by. I said, yeah. He said, yo, you know, he's talking shit about you back in day. I said, where? I ain't, I ain't even

notice. I don't remember, because I don't, I didn't start, I didn't start watching podcast until until I started, um, you right? Crystal meth kicking in? Flashback. No, drip from last night. Just kidding. No, I stopped doing all that a couple years ago, for the record. It's just jokes. It's just jokes. So, um, like, I had to watch during the, um, pandemic, like the lockdown shit. I had to watch a bunch of podcasts and shit. You know what I'm saying? Yours is one of them. Just want to thank you for the inspiration and I was like, yo, I'm going to start a podcast

while I'm stuck in the fucking house. And I got one called the fact of the show. I've seen a couple episodes of it. Yeah, it's just real facts based on, it's opinions based on facts as opposed to just opinions based on fucking nothing. Right. But yeah, I was watching your shit and that's when I really started like tuning in

the different shit like this. You know what I'm saying? And like I remember I wanted a fucking no jump a hoodie. And then I just then order it and some dumb shit. That's fine. Like, I remember though one, like I learned an important lesson because we were talking on the podcast one time way back in the day and this is when the video of you, the firearm backstage at a club, came out and we talked about it.

And our conversation about what happened was so far off from the reality of what happened in the situation that I ended up deleting the video right after, which was actually a weird thing for me to realize like how much responsibility I had. Because by the end of the day, I was getting comments that were like, basically like, this isn't how that happened. You guys are spreading misinformation, whatever. That's one of the first times I realized. Like, oh, I can't just be talking about what I saw in a video without knowing facts. Did you, all right, so that would be my thing with journalism and different shit like that and different people in positions to talk about media shit.

When, you know, bad news travels faster than the good news, you know what I'm saying? So, like, after you deleted it, then did you then go back and make a follow-up video about, yo, I was wrong about this, whatever? Probably not. It's just a rhetorical question. Probably not. Yeah, so now. Which would be the actual responsible thing to do in that situation. Exactly. And that's what. I just want, like, me, I'm always fair no matter what.

No matter if I'm, even if I'm dealing with a fucking enemy on the opposing side, I always dealing facts with them. I don't make up shit or lies about them. I'm going to deal in facts about you when I'm disrespecting. You know what I'm saying? So just like I feel like everybody, if everybody kept it fair and didn't lie. If you make a mistake, it's nothing wrong with being a man and be like, yo, I fucked up my bad. Just how it really is. Because the bad news just goes out there and nobody sees no what actually really happens.

So meanwhile, I can't do no shows. I can't do shit because I'm looking like I just came in like a crazed maniac. First I said, I shot myself like I'm Cheddar Bob, though. And I'm sitting. And I can't go, yo, I didn't do that. Like, I got to keep quiet. Then I said I killed my best friend. I walked in the club doing

So it was like A lot of times If people would be like Just do the right thing All you gotta do is do The right thing Don't do nothing extra Just be like you know what

Like loyalty is a feeling Doing the right thing is a feeling You'll feel it Right I know I feel it sometimes And I choose to fucking ignore it You know what I'm saying But when we're in

Certain positions That we should be responsible We should go with that feeling But you know what I'm gonna just do the right thing And I feel like I do the right thing A majority of time That's why I'm so blessed

That's why I can come from that situation and have 25 more times the money than I had before. I could have way more real estate, way more better. I got shot on my head in Christmas in a fucking exotic far. And I got more farms. It's just way more blessings that come because I always, I might do some bad things, fucked up shit sometimes. But I always, a majority of time I do the right things and anything I've done bad,

been in reaction. So like, I'm a, I give them hell till I'll make it to heaven. But do you feel like you're actually past? to that situation or you still have to deal with that situation? I mean, I'm still in it. It is what it is. Like, you just got to, like I said, I always take lemons and make lemonade. So like you said, with the push-shy-shy shit, he's in jail, but you got to look at it.

You made mad. If he'd been doing crimes for fucking 10 years on year 8, you got stopped. And they say, yo, I'm going to let you make all this money and do your thing. And then now these other two years, you got to go. I mean, the other two years, now you locked up and then do another five, whatever. It's some people that do crime for 10 years, just go to jail, and that's the end. So, like, all this shit I went through, I was just talking about, when I said I got a bunch of flag about saying about suicide, about capital stees jumping off a fucking building and splatman and all kind of shit. But I said, I said that because his friend came in me talking about another friend that sold more records than me making it look like me being independent.

It's an L. When I was mind of my business, it just came in me. It's no rules to a reaction. But I got a lot of flack about that from different people. But I'm like, wait, if you're going against me, you're going against God, though. Because I'm only speaking on what's in the Bible. Take your personal shit away from it. We all know people that committed suicide.

Taking my personal shit away from it. And then you're just dealing facts. And the world would be a better place. Right. So. That was a wild time. I definitely remember people being deeply upset about that one. But fuck the fuck, why?

Why was you upset? You fucking read the Bible. You get upset how I close it? I hate this shit. I'm going to the New Testament. This is whack. I mean, there's just certain things that I feel like it is going to make you look like such an asshole

that even if it logically makes sense, that it's probably for the best to not use that, especially when you're coming at, like, like, you know, because we live in the age of smoking on ops and all this shit that you got to hear about rappers doing all the time. So in retrospect, that does feel like a little more normal for you to say something like that. It's fucking, I'm sorry, Ms. Jackson. They disinfinity-scent dead moms

Jay-Z throwing condoms in the backseat of the... Oh, yeah, right. Like, this is the shit I grew up on. You're right. Push-a-T is one of the greats. Like, this is it... This rap is very disrespectful. So I'm like, wait, hold on.

It's like watching WWE, and then you get into it and you realize, wait, this shit is not... For real, you're not really slamming people. Right. And then when the guy comes and really slam somebody on your neck, he's the bad guy. Oh, wait, oh, you're wrestling too real. We don't do this here.

Like, what the fuck? So if I had to go through everything I had to go through and take all the slander from me saying, yo, if you commit suicide, you're fucking stupid instead of me glorifying and saying, yeah, long live you, you took a leap of faith. Yeah, we're going to cherish you forever. If I got to say, you're a dickhead, don't do that. You're selfish. You fucking leaving your moms in tears and other people who love you.

That's fucking an idiot. It's an idiot move. If I got to do that, go through all my bullshit just to have this literally happen. I had people DM me Hey Yo, Choyav, I'm not gonna front I was going through some bullshit I was thinking about doing something bad but you really saved me

because of what you said. I don't be lying and capping like this really happened so like if I got to go through that to say one life, two life, three lives it's worth it. It ain't no biggie. Yeah, but now the conversation about mental health has kind of evolved to a certain extent where you're supposed to be

understanding of people going through shit and there's like this general cultural We live in a real world, but depression and stuff. We live in a fucking real world. I go through depression. I go through, man. Don't know, I got real,

I can't sit in a fucking low farm without being extra on point. I got shot my fucking head, shot my back, Joe myself, giving me to the hospital. Like, that shit is real trauma to you. It's all about how you deal with it

and all that kidding gloves and being politically correct and shit. That's not the real world. That's like I got two little boys. I don't raise them like, fucking women, because when they go out in the real world, shit is going to be real. You feel me? So, like, all this, it's too much bullshit happening right now where, oh, it's okay to wear

a fucking dress. You're a man. All right, well, then don't be upset when you walk in on your men sucking a dick. You feel me? Because the girls say, oh, I like him. My God, was the dressed a little school. All right. Don't be upset when you walking on them sucking a dick.

And I don't have no issue with gay people. I have issue with people who are frauding because that's when a lot of, you know, And I can say whatever the fuck I want. I'm independent. I'm not going to have to be, oh, you're my sponsors. I'm still be rich. But I don't like when, like, I got a home girl in Atlanta. I'm going to not say her name or whatever.

But long of the second long, she had a boyfriend. And, like, just like from personal experience, she had a boyfriend. He ended up being a down little brother, which is like a gay guy or whatever. Cool. So he ended up giving her HIV. You know what I'm saying? And, like, she didn't know nothing about nothing or whatever. until it was too late and he said he was dying and shit.

And I'm like, what kind of, what kind of low-down dirty piece of shit is that? He gave her AIDS? He gave her HIV. You know what I'm saying? She's still alive now. That's why I ain't going to blow his shit up. She got medication.

Those are two very different things for the record is that, like, you could be a gay dude who lives an honest, healthy life, and you could be a dude who has a, you could be a heterosexual dude who has AIDS and is giving it to people. Yeah, she didn't tell her. He wasn't telling her that, yo, I'll fuck with dudes. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Like, low-key. and he ended up giving her AIDS and like though at least be honest like if you tell a chick yo I'm fucking with dudes I don't know from personal experience but I'm just guessing

she's probably gonna say yeah let's use some condoms or something it's her choice if fuck with you That's a conversation we frequently have on here where we'll be talking to random girls and we'll ask them how they would feel if they knew that their boyfriend used to fuck with dudes and they always

I want to say always but they almost always say that they would not fuck with a dude if that was any his past, even though politically, you know, media-wise, you're really expected to not say that. But it's like, it's like a, it's an opinion that it seems like a huge percentage of girls, probably by far the majority of girls share, but you can't say it on camera, which is, if there's something. You could say whatever the fuck you want on camera if you don't give a fuck.

Or the facto show. Yeah, on the facto show. If you don't give a fuck, you can say whatever you want. You could double down. Look at Donald Trump. He became the president doubling down when they, when they said the. Yeah, what he said, I grabbed it right by the pussy. They thought he was going to back down and shit.

We all thought it was over for him, right then. We all thought it was over. We all thought Crooked Hillary won, but she didn't. He stayed the fuck in it. Like, this is what it is. Like, fuck. All right, because people respect honesty more than anything. You might miss out on some sponsors and shit like that,

but I've been being me, and every year you see me, I'm always elevating. It ain't no fucking, like, yo, I'm never, you're never going to see me. I'm not having better cars, better jury, better homes. everything is elevating. And I just always be myself. And sometimes people might think I'm right.

Most times I stand on the word of God. If I'm saying something about some suicide shit, like if you got mental issue, get help. But the end of the day, that's unacceptable. The argument, the best argument, I think, is that if you're suicidal, it's not like you're suicidal. It's not you chose to be suicidal, the same way you don't choose to be gay.

It's just something that's kind of thrust upon you. I've been deeply depressed at different times in my life where I could barely get out of bed for a couple weeks or a month or some shit like that. And it's not, I didn't choose it, you know. Well, I got a bed. But it was not easy. I mean, well, you know what? You've been deeply depressed and you say you didn't choose to be depressed?

You know, no, I don't know. I know shit. Life happens, but also you didn't choose to commit suicide. Right. That's a choice. But that, just having that inside you is not really a choice. Like the fact that I had the fortitude to not want to off myself. Exactly.

bro and that's what it's about and that's what it's about make we got to celebrate the fucking we got to celebrate the strong the people and I it's not long live you it's don't do that it's like fucking fight through it it's life real life happening I don't be with none of that sugar-coating shit real life happens we live in a different world now where the gymnasts the size that she doesn't want to compete in the Olympics and they celebrate her that's fucking nuts man I mean like what she I guess she's young enough to feel like I could go get another one you know what we When you were kids, we would be looking up to the basketball player who had a fucking broken ankle and he still went out there and performed.

Yeah, that's the fact. Now it's like even you look at the NFL. I don't know if you always watch sports. You watch NFL. All right, well, but a lot of people watching sports, you know, like when I used to watch sports as a kid, the running back of steam, Emmett Smith stays in the game. Not I run 10 yards or let me get a timeout, let me get a breather. Fuck out of it. The world is self.

And it's all about how self, you let it be. Like, for example, you got to redirect the energy. all my people with kids checking the shit. It's a bunch of dumb shit on YouTube. You know you fucking make a living off being on YouTube. You let your kids start looking at one thing. They start looking at another than another. Then there's some fucking bozo who's fucking talking like,

oh, yeah, and I'm here, yeah. And he's like, what the fuck? This ain't a real man. But this is the people that your kids were watching, watch, and in their brain, whether it's in the front of your mind, back of their mind, they start to act like that. So my son is drawing a bunch of bullshit. How old are your kids?

Five and six. My son, but they're like a mature five and six. I let them do real shit. I let them earn money. They clean the fucking bathroom. They piss on the toilet. You piss on totally, clean the bathroom. I don't do, oh, why you piss on to-toll?

No, just clean it. Whatever. So my kids are drawing, like, stupid cartoons, like some corny dumb shit from YouTube. That makes no sense. Like, weirdo shit. Cocoa? I don't fucking know.

I don't even get that far. So I don't say, yo, don't do this. This is weirdo. This is crazy. I said, let me redirect the energy. I say, oh, listen, hold on, don't draw this. This is a little bit like, it's funny. I don't want you doing this.

But since you're drawing, let me show you something. I pull up YouTube, I pull up Basquiat. I say, look at this. Now, I need you to go draw stuff inspired by Baskiah. He's going to show you everything how to draw. You learn how to draw, and then you go from there, and you draw shit like that. That's what he started doing. He comes to a kid fucking six-year-old coming out with dope picks.

Boschiat inspired. And he's too young to really copy it. copy, you know what I'm saying? Just like my kids was doing, watching what's this shit called, like a bunch of the superhero shows and super kids and all kind of like the little what's the shit with the guys that dressed up

in the fucking mask. PJ Mask? No, this is like grown men and the hackers and it's the biggest shit on YouTube. My kids won, so she's getting introduced to. But it's like hackers, but it's a bunch of grown men running around. Who? Yeah, and we're over here. And oh my God. And they're talking stupid. They're

fucking widows. But I can't explain that to my kids. I'll say, yo, whoa, whoa, don't watch this. Y'all want to watch these little kids

and all this and these grown men do silly shit? How about we make our own YouTube show and we'll call it the Superbros and we'll have good lessons

behind it? I took my fucking GoPro and I made them a video show and said, here's your camera record all your shit. So it's just about redirecting the energy

and shit. Just like if you fucking feeling depressed and sad over some shit, go punch a fucking punching bag. That shit helps you.

You let out your frustration in other ways Not by jumping off a roof or hanging it up You ever done therapy? No My therapy is like You know, I'm not to mention You know like I'm black So therapy is not like a thing that's readily available

We don't know mad people That's therapist that you could just go to Or whatever you feel me It's just like asking me if I ever did fucking Meth You know what I'm saying? I don't even know where to get meth or whatever But like just doing

Like we just learn to deal with shit It's like if we was reversed and you was me and you got, I've been 17 mad deeds pull us over eight cops, pointing guns in our face and all kind of shit. That's what I'm saying. I don't know everything about you, but I know you've been through a lot of trauma that there would be some value in you discussing it with a professional. I discuss it with myself. You got to talk to you. I'm going to tell you some real shit that and music helped me a lot because when you just, even like times where like a lot of times,

I might see somebody throw a jab or slight me or whatever. I'll say some shit in the music that now I got it off my chest so it was a West Coast rapper, a big West Coast rapper and he said some corny shit about me the other day and then I like covered up his name and I said I had you strip a bitch in the bed

whatever you know what I'm saying like now you wife the whatever but I got that that's therapy to me instead of being mad yo when I see him it's on you could get a lot of shit out in music so I do that with music and I just do that but my pastor told me some other shit I called him about something, and I'm like, yo, it's the same pastor that helped me after I crashed my car, driving the hospital, and drove me a couple blocks of getting.

So he's like, yo, I say, yo, I'm feeling this way. I was feeling like doing something to somebody. And I'm like, yo, man, I feel like a way. I feel like, yo, pastor, I want to do this without really saying it. But I feel like, man, like, if I do this, am I blocking my blessings? Because I'm really, really blessed. Am I letting little small shit bother me? And is that going to block out all the shit that I was blessed by?

You know what I'm saying? And even down the shit, like, I'm like, yo, I can't say that on camera. But I asked him, yo, if I was just an inch over doing something, right? If that shit went this way, I'd have been good in the clear or whatever. And then he said, yo, what if when you got shot in your head it was an inch over, you'd have been dead? And then I say, yo, I'm telling him what I'm going through. and then I'm saying, well, but then I'm feeling like this. He said, now, where are you getting these answers from?

He said, y'all, I say, y'all, I'm talking about it, and I'm answering my own question. He said, now, whenever you're answering your own questions, don't think that's you. That's God talking to you, and that shit made perfect sense. So a lot of times, if I'm going through some shit, I talk to myself in, like, real shit. You got to, you got to check yourself before anybody could check you. You got to look in the mirror. Am I bugging the fuck out? Like, you could really, you're going to be your best friend.

That's the fact because you're going to have your best interest at heart no matter what I've never heard nobody being disloyal to themselves. You feel me? That's a fact. So I feel like all the therapy shit is cool is for some people who fucking need it. A lot of people don't. Some women need a nanny to take care of their kids. You got some mother to take care of eight kids.

Ain't other people's kids in the neighborhood. So it's all about your mental fortitude who you are. And I'm saying there's nothing wrong with people who are. for lack of a better term, weaker. But so about how you deal with shit. Like, for example, if somebody slights me or disrespect me in my face,

I might choose to deal with it in violence. Somebody else might choose to deal with it a different way. It's different ways of skin a cat. I'm just, am I weaker because I'm dealing with it that way? And that lands me in jail or whatever, whatever. Maybe. When the other person get their same shit, they might say, well, you know what?

I'm going to call it boss and get them fired from a job or whatever. That's popular. You still fuck that person over. and you still won. Do you, does it affect you mentally a lot to still have this trial hanging over your head? And what are the charges, this is one thing I couldn't really figure out, is like, what are you accused of? At first I was accused of murder, murder of my best friend, accused of possession of a fireworm,

what kind of attempted murder, a bunch of shootings and mad webbush. mad weapons possessions. I don't get how this, like, how any of those charges could hold up based on what I've seen. That's what I'm saying. And I say that as somebody who is friends with people that clearly would not want me to have that opinion. But it's hard for me to figure out how you're supposed to be guilty in this. So, it just, you know, it just goes with it. Like, I'm, like, before all it is, this type of shit, I've been in the real, realist situations.

Then it's before this. Like, just growing up, trying to make it out the streets or whatever. You know what I'm saying? This one just happened to be publicized. So as far as me being stressed about it, I'm not thinking about it until a court date is coming up. Then it's like stress with my mom. But I'm not like, oh, fuck, because I got shit to do.

I got kids. I got to feed my kids. Like, I got real life businesses. I got to keep up with shit. I can't be letting no depression of no shit that may or may not happen that I really got no control over. I can't let that shit stress me. So, like, it's only in the front of my mind when a court date is approaching,

but it ain't no biggie. I've been through work. and I just dealt with it. It's such a crazy thing. Because especially like I said, we had that conversation on the podcast and then we ended up finding out more about what happened. And then I realized that I had been listening to a podcast every week that frequently alluded

to this conflict. And that really fucking blew my mind. You were supporting the hate, man. Can't never support the hate. If you see somebody, you could see people call shit trolling and we laugh at it now or whatever. not. You're giving platforms and you're giving energy to haters. And that's how they'll continue

to do that shit. You feel you're not ever supposed to give platforms of that shit. That's like giving play. That's like fucking some Hitler's shit. You keep on, yeah, Hitler's right. He got a couple good opinion. No, the fuck he doesn't. What are you talking about? Can I give platforms to hate ever? And by giving it

an audience, you're giving it a platform. And that's what's wrong with a lot of people. We laugh at it as entertainment when it'd be little beefs and shit. If I see artists beefing, I'm not going to let me see what he said, let me see what happened. I look at the beginning of the beef. I remember Gucci Man made the fucking grave digger, the record, you know the record, the truth.

The truth. But I remember trying to find out way. Why are they going back and forth? Let me get to the beginning of it to see who, because I can't even enjoy the shit to look at it if you're just being a hater. I don't fuck with no hate. I don't fucking hate is a suckers to me. And I'm not going to be like, yeah, he's a sucker, but I'll fuck with him because of this or that. No, it's no way.

It's unacceptable. So I just think if we'll stop giving platforms that hate and suck of shit and corny shit and cop chasing, then again, the world will be a better place. But your issues with tax go back many, many years. I heard some wild-that shit from way back in the day, true or false. I heard about an altercation outside a liquor store a long time ago when you tried to sell them a CD.

That's cat. It wasn't no liquor store. I think you got it fucked up because he tweeted about that. He didn't even tell me about this. I heard this from somebody else in the industry. I really respect. They told me that you had an encounter outside the bodega. Tell me what happened in front of that.

Let me. You try to sell him a CD and then he reacted. And then a couple days later, something happened to him. What? That shit don't. I can't go into greater detail than that. If something happened to people, they ain't got anything to do with me. Right.

I'm sure, yeah. But I've never, I don't remember this. I know the only time that he ever said I try to see. Tell him a CD was, you know, we're calling Ratstone, by the way. Only time he ever, that's a fact, it's paperwork. Only time that he ever, I tried to tell him, he was in the McDonald's parking lot, and I think he tweeted about the shit. And then, like, you know, I would be like, if somebody said they ain't had them money,

cool, I'll take it, but if they, like, said something slick, I'd be aggressive and make them buy it. So I think he might have tweeted something in, and I replied, yeah, then you remember such and such and such it made you buy it. and then that was it but I don't remember no liquor store and something happening like I was never on feet

selling my music like I was always in a dope V and they come to the truck I was never no bum shit with me or I'm in front of Lickerstow the Obama I don't know

this so when do you trace the conflict between you back to it when did it really start was it just when he got a podcast that you got really aware of this or before that no no it's so many

it's so many people that you get haters when you start doing entertainment and people can know you and you don't know who they are. Right. That's when the shit starts. So it's so many fucking different people, which is cool because it all, I'm overly paid for all this shit I got to go through.

Right. But I don't never be focusing on like, yo, this happened and I happen. I only remember that because I remember a tweet about it. But does it go back to him being around Mano and Uncle Murder, who you initially had conflict with? I never had a problem with Meno Uncle Murder. Oh. I came and did records for Mano

I fuck on Uncle Murder Uncle Murder, me and Uncle Murder go back before music like street business His people's is like my men in my house Like that like see this one Shit take on a life of his own This is he doing my own research I go and I talk to people and then they tell me stuff

And I bring it up and you're just like I don't know what you think about it? Yeah that never had and I would say it if it's not going to incriminate me I would No that's that's a fucking myth That never happened So I don't know where the initial problems go back to you see like I don't know But when you started hearing him go in on you on the podcast I never heard it you never heard it be here about it right I told you yeah I would hear

about it but I never heard it like I said I never listen I'm not a nosy person right I'm always I'm always getting to it like I got a lot of shit going on you feel I'm just in life like I got a lot of shit going on I got mad different I really got mad different businesses I I be doing my own shit. I be in my own world. I don't even listen to a bunch of music because I don't want to start sounding like motherfuckers. You know what I'm saying?

I'm listening to pop or big, like, oh shit, whatever. Or soul music, like shit from the 60s. So I'm not a nosy person. Like, yo, let me be on top. Only during the pandemic that I start watching shit. Yo, let me see about this. Let me see about that. I don't give a fuck.

Yo, it's hard to eat when you're looking at somebody else's plate. You're going to keep missing your mouth. I don't give a fuck about what people got going on. So I've never heard episode. None of this shit at all. You're not curious about what's going on with all this new school, New York beef and all this shit? I would just hope that it would end, but it's the same shit that's been going on for years. Right.

And then once blood is shit, it ain't no real coming back from that. But now they got YouTubers making videos about it and summon it up for people who want to watch. That's nuts. And I think everybody that's doing shit that's running drills or whatever, you should try to stay the fuck off YouTube. If you're going to do work, do the work and don't look for the cloud about it. it. You know what you did. You know what I'm saying? They saw I know what they did. Don't go on. Don't spin through the blocks, through the ops block and put it on Facebook. That's, unless you try to go to jail. Like, at the end of the day, what people don't realize it is like, like, we was coming out here and shit.

And it's a lot of, um, shit is at war, a lot of gang wars and shit going on that. Here. Yeah, that motherfuckers don't like, you know what I mean? It's not, like, coming from New York, when I first started coming to Cali, I was thinking like, yo, it was like, yo, it was like, you know like the 80s and movies that we see colors and shit like that but when I first came out here I was on Rodeo jobs in Beverly Hills you feel me right but now as you come out more and you start meeting people you start finding out the town business and politics however y'all call it or whatever so I would never like give a fuck or get myself involved in that and like even from my

hood we had like I said I've been through serious shit before any rap before anything going through serious shit but that shit ain't known outside of 20 blocks so a lot of times if we stop being so prideful and so self-centered

you'll realize like this shit that we weren't over it don't even fucking matter to motherfuckers in another state another burrow another zip code it don't even matter so you might get a one up

or two up on a scoreboard and you felt yeah I'm the man I'm known in my hood but then when does it end because you got to go somewhere else and somebody else gonna try you then you got to go somewhere else and somebody else gonna try you.

So it'd be nonsense. We warring over shit and going through shit about nothing, and now it's come to where you ain't getting enough clout for it in your neighborhood, where now you want to put it on YouTube and make songs about it and shit like that. And now, but guess who? You're gonna get the clout, but you're gonna get the clout

from the police too, and you don't want that shit. Did you ever have problems with anyone out here because you called Kendrick a weirdo on Twitter back in the day? No, never. Really? And it wasn't on Twitter. It was on a record. And I only did that because

Well, one, he was on some weirdo shit You know what I'm saying? Different from Like, it was different from You know, the shit I grew up on Fucking clips, 50 cent Fucking Gucci Man, Jay-Zee It also might have something to do with the fact that weirdo Is a big word out here

I didn't know that. Weirdo is like a very, very disrespectful thing out here Way more than it is on the East Coast Well, I did that because there's no rules to a reaction He made the control freestyle And that's why I did it. People act like I did it before that. I did it like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, it's me coming out. And I'm, I've been representing, I probably made the most records about New York and Brooklyn than any other artists. Even when it's time to make a single and it's not popular to do that because you want to appeal a broad mass of people. I'm just, now, fuck that.

I'm on New York. I spent my first video, rep it with my heart. It's about New York. I'm from New York City where it ain't shit pretty except the girls in the most ain't right. And I spent $30,000 on that video to get that shit on BT, everything.

and I'm always rapping New York so if he said something about New York I'm offended and why is it to everybody who these motherfuckers made full songs, and full replies and my one little bar is bigger than the songs that they made. You know what I'm saying?

So like I don't, I just like fucking most definitely be considered a widow rap but he's dope backpacked. You know what I mean? Maybe not a little, but like it's different. I wasn't saying nothing that's a lie. I wasn't making shit up. I didn't, like I said, I don't even lie against somebody I'm going against.

I didn't say, yo, you suck dick or whatever. I don't know if you suck dick. It's crazy because so much beef in rap music basically comes down to who's the most liked. Because in the shit with you and Joey Badass, it really didn't matter who was right, you know? It mattered that at that time, he was really looked upon as somebody that the industry and the fans were really fucking with. And you had already kind of started to get a reputation for being kind of an asshole. So it really didn't matter that much. I'm from New York.

I'm fucking, I'm me. I'm really, like, on some New York shit. But I'm really, like, different. You guys, it's two sides of a new. Like, somebody could come here and see a fucking gangbanger or they could see a skateboarder. You're both from L.A., but it's two different shit. And now, just because that other person

got different type of things, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, it ain't nothing with Joey Badass. He's whatever. I don't have no, I'm not carrying on no beef or whatever. I'm just saying that, like, if you see the fans or the people it was probably industry people

or it was more so fucking like little white kids with a fucking gremlin emoji saying hey you nigger and shit like that like these are his fans but it's a lot of them because they're on the internet definitely were fucking with him more than you

at that moment I don't know about the NWRaport part of the white kids with the gremlin avatar were definitely Joey bad at his fans so just because it's fucking 10 lions is 10 sheep and one lion they're just more voiceless There's a bunch of them because they own the internet.

I'm not even on the fucking internet. I'm doing a tweet. I'm doing some shit to make money. I'm not like an internet person. So that's why it might seem. Just because you yelling more and you're more louder, that don't mean that you tougher. That don't mean that you, you know what I'm saying?

But whatever. That shit is in the past, man. No, I feel you for sure. I was great in the paper straight, man. I'm just like. So people have done a lot of work to try to smear you with a snitch thing over the last couple years. That's the fact.

How do you feel about that? How do you deal with it? For a while, it felt like you were kind of leaning into it, like, with the 6-9 thing and shit. I was kind of like, well, you know what? When 6-9 got, when it was, like, I was like, all right, now at least people can see the difference of this is an actual snitch. He was down with the game. I mean, I don't give a fuck. There's no.

Right. It's not nothing with 6-9 or whatever, you know what I'm saying? He can't deny being a snitch. But, like, you're in the actual gang, you join a gang. You can't tell him the game. no matter what, those of your friends, it is what it is, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't like, you took that oath,

you into that shit. It's not no internet shit that's already out in the public. Gang shit is in the streets. So, like, I really just stop, as long as it's not said, like, to me here, again, it's the majority of the Gremlin avatars and shit.

You feel me? Like, I'll be out with my fucking kids front row of fights. It'll be, yo, choy, oh, all kind of shit. Right? Chef, chef, chef, be with me, we go to fights with it, it just be nothing but pictures and it, like, it never, you know, I had my security.

He said, damn, this job is fucking easy. That's the fact. So I don't really like, the internet didn't make me. I came from selling my music in the streets. That's why my foundation is so strong. That's why if blogs don't post me, my shit is going to still go. I'm going to still be a profitable, you know what I'm saying? So you got to just control what you could control.

And the rest you can't give a fuck about because, Like I was calling my pastor about some other shit like, yo, yo, I want to do something, but, yo, like, am I going to block my blessings? If that shit was happening and I was fucked up and I was broke and you see Choi having, I'm just like a pop, broke-ass, nothing, then you know it is wartime, because you motherfuckers made me broke. But all this shit is happening, it just keep on leveling me up. Maybe it's not leveling me up fast, but it's still leveled up more than I would have ever been leveled up.

if I'd just stayed in the streets. Right. So, like, you got to, you got to take it. If somebody was to tell me, yo, Choyab, you was going to go through all of this. You got to go through all of this bullshit. But you're going to have this much. I'll take it any day. Oh, give me that.

It's a weird situation for you, too, because you can't, I'm sure you would love to just come out and tell your whole side of the story in terms of certain things. But you know that you putting out more detail out there into the world is probably a bad thing for you overall. Yeah, that's the fact, especially when you got an open court case. And then you can't like, you don't want to prove to, you don't want to prove to fake people how real you are. Well, anything you say contradictory or anything that, like, you. Oh, the truth never changed. You accidentally say the wrong word and telling the story.

I'm sure your lawyers told you. But the truth will never change. That's one thing about the truth. The truth will never change. And I don't be in the line in a bunch of bullshit. So, I just take it. It comes with it, though. It's whatever.

It's just whatever. It's like, it's the fucking, you got to take the good with the bad. but the good outweighs the bad by far. You feel me? So I just take it all on the chin and pause and go from there. That's a good pause. And you don't want, yeah, that's a good pause. You don't never want to be like, yeah, what?

I did this and I did that in the third. And like you want some Vlad TV shit, you feel me? Then you be, oh, Adam got. What happened to that relationship? Um, I ain't in front. Vlad was there early, like, when I was having, like, the fucking mix tape shit. Yeah. I met Vlad and his stuff.

studios somewhere. He was, like, showing love. Like, as much as he gets show, I don't know what the fuck. He wasn't doing shit for me, whatever. Like, he would post the videos or whatever. And then I seen he started, he got in bed with somebody that was, like,

a hater of mine, you know what I'm saying? And then, like, I don't like when people are swayed by opinions of suckers, because then I mean, you were a sucker. You feel me, that's how I took it. And then he started getting in bed with a hater. And then started, like, not posting my videos and shit like that because of your relationship with

some other dude that's obviously sucking dick and it just didn't make no sense. So like a lot of times I don't wait for if somebody showed me they suck I bet they suck and I keep it pushing. I'm not gonna, there's no coming back especially when I'm self-made and self-paid.

I don't need nobody. It'd take me longer to get to where I'm going by not having a bunch of help and being a dick rider but I'ma still get there so I'll just be like all right fuck it there's sucker write them off not gonna be fake with you

see you oh what's up what up you're sucker forever and then now it's a short fuse so if anything happened it's a sensitive relationship if you know once I put you in that place of you being a sucker

then unless you make it right it's a short fuse where this shit could you know so then you just never had a relationship with Vlad after that yeah it's just like is with many people.

You just, you don't need relationships. You don't got to hold on to them. You don't have to hold on to that unless, like you could really, in life, that's why I be preaching in my music and everything in life. If you really work hard, stay dedicated, have faith in God, you could do your shit yourself. You don't have to be a dick, right?

Oh, let me fuck with this person and be fake. Like, I like them and, yeah, we're cool with them. Just to get ahead, that ain't, it's a faster way. But at the end of the day, it's not solid. It ain't no foundation till. Okay, but someone said this to me recently, and when I heard this, I realized that I wish that I had known this earlier in my career, but they said the music business or entertainment business in general is about building relationships with people. More so than anything else, that's the most important thing in this world, is just to make relationships with people because it's all about who can do what for you. And yes, a lot of it's going to be fake, but that's like the number one thing that you need to keep in mind in this business.

And I thought, there's a lot of truth to that. And I wish that I kind of figured that out earlier. It's truth to that depending on what you're trying to do. Yeah. It's truth depending on what you're trying to do. If you're saying that you wish you would have figured it out earlier, like you're saying if you were to figure it out earlier, you'd have more success ahead of time or whatever.

Yeah, and if I just sort of like realize that, you know, how people feel about you in the industry or in your world or whatever is extremely important. And like when I got on to a certain essential, I was just like, oh, all right, now I don't have to give a fuck what anybody think about me. Right. Well, at the end of the day, I don't know about you,

but it feels better than me to look in the mirror and know I don't got to be fake with nobody to know if somebody called me, I don't got to pick up their fucking call. If I don't want to go to their party, I don't got to go to their fucking party. Yeah. If I don't want to say happy birthday,

I don't got to say that. When you actually describe it like that, I'm like, oh, yeah. So I'm trying to say, so would you rather have been a dick rider with relationships, like fake, like that's what makes you. That's what makes you a dick rider. cultivating fake relationships. Real relationships is different.

Y'all genuinely fuck with you. We build. But a fake relationship, that's like me being like, like I didn't fucking know you. I just started fucking with your shit on the thing. Like I didn't know when my brother was telling. I didn't,

when I started doing the pandemic, watching podcasts, then, but it's not like before you see people will follow mad people, they don't even fucking know them or fuck with them. And they're like, man, I want them follow this person, but you stuck, you chat.

I don't like that feeling. So if you would have been a dick, rider cultivating fake relationships, maybe you would have blew up fucking 10, 15 years ago. I'm just putting any time on it. Right. But you would have been at this point probably not really happy with yourself. Yeah.

So I'd rather take my success when I get it because it's going to happen when it's supposed to happen. And it's more longevity. Say you would have been fucking with a bunch of fake people where they'd put you on a platform. One wrong move that you do, they could pull that rug from under you. Because that's how you feel, right? A lot of people you probably thought you were solid with at a certain point just kind of decided that they were going to take an average stereo stance against you. Yeah, like, I mean, you see people like picking sides and shit, you feel me? And maybe it's picking size or false information or because I never, like, I never come across like I don't be on a bully shit.

I bully a bully, but I'm not a bully. So sometimes fear is stronger than love with certain people and with like suckers and fake people and, you know, outside people. And in this industry, this type of entertainment shit, it's not, it's suckers, you feel me? So if somebody showed them fair, like if somebody showed them tough shit and show guns and talk tough, they believe stories.

I don't believe stories. I believe action that I see. Right. Because I'm going up in hood. I hear a lot of bullshit stories. But, like, in here, I think people chose sides because they've seen somebody like, if somebody is talking about you,

saying what they're going to do to you a hundred times, and then when you actually see this person in real life, they apologize, but you don't promote it. They just say, yo, me and Choi have good now. All right, cool. I didn't say, yo, I made this pussy apologize and whatever, whatever, yeah, I'm the real tough one. They still looking at the person

who's popping shit about Choi have 100 times and he got away with it. Right. So now they think, wait, oh, well, we thought Choi Ave is tough, or we know he's some type of tough. Now, this person is really tough. So a lot of times they just get to choose and size. And it's like, I never really took, like, when I fuck with somebody, I'll fuck with them genuinely.

You know what I'm saying? Like, even after this, I take your number. I might hit you pop and shit. Yo, it's good, whatever, whatever. Regular. You know, oh, yo, I'm in L.A. Let's get some fucking food or something. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I really fuck with people. I don't fake. I don't, hey, yeah, I'm in town, baby, let's do lunch. That's corny. I don't do the Varnel Hill. You watch Martin? You know what Varnet Hill is? Yeah, okay.

We got to get you fucking more culture. I've got to watch Martin in my life. I just don't remember who that is. Well, anyway, y'all know Varnett Hill? And he said, come on down. Whenever you in L.A., come on down. Maybe we do lunch. And he said, well, what would happen if I really came to your house?

I'd probably get sprayed. So it's just a bunch of fake shit. But it just feels better. And if you sit and really look at it, like you just say, yo, I wish I probably would have what I learned. I wish I probably would have just did that earlier. No, don't take what you have in and now for granted. Don't ever take that shit for granted. Yeah, because when I think about every, like,

Every time I've been to like a listening party or some shit, somehow somebody can worst me into going to an album release party or whatever. I realize when I'm in that environment, like, oh, this is this is very, very good for my career, but I do not want to do this. I don't want to be here. I don't want to be here even though it's probably really going to make me money in the long term. Right, right. And that's the thing. Everything ain't about money. Yeah.

I rather have, I rather have $5 million being myself than $50 million being a fake one. And because you're not going to be happy with yourself. That's when you want. you gotta get home and take off the makeup and shit. Just paraphrate, you know what I'm saying? Like, that ain't really you. There's never been a time you felt like you had to do anything that wasn't you that you regret,

looking back on it? Mad times. Mad times. Like, just getting into this, into this shit. So, like, I just, like, dealing with people and being around people that you wouldn't normally fuck with just for, like, for some clout. So, like, it's certain, or biting your tongue.

Like, sometimes I remember going on my first interview, and they kind of telling me something about my music or something. And I'm like, man, I would punch this fucking bitch in the face. What kind of shit? Bitch ass, I think it was, pardon me. I hate when people say nigger around fucking, like, they say around white people. So I try not to do it, you know what I'm saying? Because that shit could be offensive to you, even though you hear it all the time.

I do not care at all. But just in general, but just in general, I feel like it's fucking ignorant. You know what I'm saying? Whoever don't like what I said. I don't care. Yeah, because you hear it so much. But that shit is not the nether. know them. I got fucking, my

Italian friends don't call each other racial slurs in front of me all the time. You know what I'm saying? Do they do it when they're not around you? Yeah, I got some real deep-rooted Italian friends. Like, yeah, they do. They talk offensive. Is it just Wop? No, it's some fuck-up terms. Yeah. I won't say it.

But anyway. I'm part Italian. I don't know what the fuck they call each other in. Wap has a different meaning now, man, you know. Oh, yeah. That new WAP. Yeah, I just, I was saying something about you not. fucking doing oh money it ain't about

money dog it ain't about money you're gonna come as long as you bless with your health the money gonna come I've been getting money before rap it's just perspective I was getting more money than everybody from my neighborhood

then I started getting more money and everybody from my borough then I started like you know what I'm saying like it's just perspective so like I would never do nothing to compromise my integrity for no money but just going on when I first started

and people would like say certain shit And I'd be like, well, I can't just slap the shit out this fucking pussy. Fasain is asking me this question. Oh, because no, this is, you can't come in like that. You got to be a little more passive for shit. Right. You're going in a professional world. You want to do music.

You want to make records. Then you were professional, whether you like it or realize it or not. Right. Yeah, if you beat the shit out of fucking Charlemagne, that would probably, I won't go over too well. You and Charleney got a beef? I know you have beef for academics or somebody. Yeah, you did how I put it on my show, man That was wack

I shouldn't have no beef No, but I'm just using Charlemagne as an example Like I'm sure there's been plenty of people Who wanted to smack Charlemagne mid-interview But I always say that Like it's kind of crazy in the history of podcasting And of disrespectful questions and answers And everything that you never really

And people whenever I say this Somebody pointed out like a comedy show Or there has been some violence on podcast But not really in hip-hop There hasn't been Like on a podcast? Oh, I don't be well Thousands of these.

I'm sure multiple times people have more than to jump across. Do you ask people crazy shit? Sometimes. That's nuts. I mean, I try to be cool about it, you know? It's the right people. You feel me? Because if you're talking crazy like, yeah, this, that and the third.

What the hood shows us is that we're supposed to crash out and not give a fuck. We don't tolerate no disrespect. Yeah. So if you sit down and you tolerate disrespect for what? For clout so that they could get some views, some suck of shit. That's not real shit. And then you can know who that. You got to judge him in.

body actions, you'd be like, wait, this motherfucker just let me say what? But what would it take to make you walk out of the interview? How would you have to feel? Like, what line would they have to cross? Walk out of an interview? And walking out is probably, you probably walk out before you smack the interviewer, right? I think you'll smack the interview before you walk out because if I walk out, you can say six shit.

And that's Troy, yeah, walking out of my interview, like some slick, funny shit, you know what I mean? And then you basically kick me in my ass out the door. I probably woke out if it's like a woman, because we're not going to hit women or some shit. I've had multiple women walk out of your mid-interview. Yeah, see, that makes more sense. But a guy, I would check you during the interview.

You'd probably edit it. I'd say, oh, who the fuck are you talking to? Like, you know what I'm saying? No, I would have to put it out. Because that's gold right there you go. But yeah, I wouldn't walk. I'm going to miss it on that bag. See, look, you got different prodding shit that we, that weird, everybody's told different,

how we was talking about how to deal with certain shit, how the guy offends me and the guy offends somebody else. And he's like, wait, what? I'm going to do this. You like, man, I'm put that on. That's great content, which makes more sense because you're going to get more money. I mean, even if I was bummed about the person

saying something disrespectful to me, I still like, well, I got to make the best of a bad situation, right? Yep, let me let me let me eliminate. And it's also like the whole concept of this podcast. It's like, we're going to have a conversation and then I'm going to put it out to the world. Unless it's something way over the line, it's like I want to give people the real shit.

I don't want to give them a polished version that makes me look better. I know. How did you start? this shit and like like yeah how did it start because you just had the whole concept i never knew how no jumper started did it was it from the bone like an athlete but got no jumper like oh did you just had a bike shop downtown and we were selling BMX bikes and shit the bikes that like i saw them riding yeah yeah like we i've had i've had a website uh pushing bmx videos and making bmx dvds

and all that shit since like 2006 and then like 2014 because i was in queens and and bushwick and shit when I started it, but then by like 2000... Wait, you lived in New York? Yeah, yeah, when I started the BMX website, I lived in Astoria and then I moved to Bushwick. I was out there for like seven eight years. So you're from out here? No, I'm from New Hampshire. Oh, all right, you're from the East Coast, all, cool, cool. But then, uh, so then

2014, I start this BMX shop, and I'm doing podcasts with different BMX pros and dudes who own companies and that kind of shit. And then, like, SoundCloud Raps really starting to pop off. And I was going to a lot of these sort of, like, underground, like, warehouse shows because they were all in downtown L.A. Yeah, oh. So I was going to him.

Wait, you went back to L.A. No, I'm out here when I started this. Like, I moved here in 2010. So wait, you said, you told me that you was in a story or Bushway. From like 2003 to 2010. And then I moved out here in 2010. Oh, so then you moved back and then that's when all the SoundCloud shot. Yeah, yeah.

And so, like, I was just around all these like SoundCloud rappers and shit. So I'd start interviewing fools and I interview Little Peep and XX and Tassian and all these fools who end up just exploding. Yeah. And so then I just started getting more and more opportunity. But I always just wanted to interview rappers. Like from the BMX shit, I started to just be like, damn. Like maybe I got an interview with Gangsta Boot from 3-6 Mafia because I like plotted on it. I saw she had a birthday party at this bar and I went there, took a picture with her, posted on Instagram, DM her.

All of a sudden I got her fucking with me. And then I just started to just try to figure out how I could get more and more rappers to fuck with me, you know? So you always like been a fan of rap music? Yeah, huge, huge. Like starting with Doggy Style and then like around the time I graduated. You're from the East Coast. Who's your top five? I'm going to say, like, well, the ones that people don't put on their top five is 50 in Cam.

I'll put them on my top five. And then Jay, obviously, is probably number one. And then, like, nah, I got to put him on there. No Tupac? I love Tupac, but I feel like at some point. What? I don't know. What?

Tupac is the influence of a lot of that. Now, you're right. You got to take the influence. It starts to, who influenced a lot of that shit down real. My number five is the only reason I stutter on it is because it's like, is it too Pock? Like it would have been for a long time or am I ready to take that spot and seat it to Young Thug because I feel like that's been the most important rapper of the last like 10 years to me. But you can't put Pock.

First of all, Puck should not be number five. It doesn't sound right. It doesn't sound right. Pock should not be number five. It's fucking nuts. No, you're right. I'll put Pock before 50 because 50. Bro, you've got to have Pock up there.

Pock even influenced big, fashionably. You got to put Pock up there. But I also just feel like it's really important to be. It's your top five, whatever. Who you've listened to the most and who meant the most to you during your life. See, but my top five. That's why everybody wants to put M. I respect the shit out of M, but M is not in my top five.

If we talk about lyrics. If we're talking lyrical. Oh, and that's a whole different conversation. That's why I like the fact of show my opinions is based on facts. If like remove the fact of who you listen to, who made you feel away, like who can you really identify as nah, this is the fucking top five. Even if you don't like their music. you could identify like, nah,

they're fucking fire. But I don't really care about, like, who's empirically the best at rapping or, like, who empirically has, like, the best albums on. It's about,

like, who made me feel... Right, so you personalize it. Yeah, I feel like you have to because otherwise it's like, what are we even talking about?

I listen to a lot of shit, and I know, like, who's overall, who's fucking dope as fuck. You know what I'm saying? And, like, even where I do,

like, it's points, it's your style, your voice, your, your lyricism, your, not your wordplay, but like how much truth is in your music

because you can make up shit is easy to make up shit. Like, I do that type of point system and then that's how I come up with your influence. Like, that means a lot, you know what I'm saying? I respect that. I almost wish my top five was more unorthodox because there's been so many rappers that I love throughout the years. Like, when I think about all these years,

I spend love in, you know, easy-e. And it's like, I don't, but at the end of the day, it's like, can I really put, easy E on that list. If you put top five gangster rappers, you can put Easy E because he kind of set that shit over. And even when I think about Cam on it's like, I love Cam, but like how long was Cam's run

in comparison some of these other rappers? Because if you have a rapper who had like four crazy albums versus a rapper who had 10 crazy albums, that's why I have a hard time with the Biggie thing. Like yes, Biggie had two of the best rap albums in my life, but it's two albums and one came out after he died. So am I really going to compare a person with two

albums to like... You could, of course. You can, but it's just a lot harder to compete when you got Two albums versus... You do that average. It's like, yo, if you played five games and you scored 50 points every game and you played 100 games and you only scored 25 points, you're better in those five games. That's the fact.

But Kim, you could definitely move Cam up because he had... Fuck the albums. Cam had the mixtapes. Those mixtapes are legendary. Because when I think about 50, it's like most of my 50 fandom was mixtapes and then like two albums. Guess who's back and shit like that. But then the two albums, because like even by like the third album, I'm kind of starting to check out.

Like you heard it. Yeah, that's the fact. the shit with the drawings and all that shit. Yeah, yeah. Well, the massacre was cool, but then, like, the shit after that, I just started. I'm gonna buy Curtis because I wanted him to win over Kanye. There's a part of me that wants to put Jada in my top five. You could, I don't know if I could do the calculus to put him above nash and shit, you know?

It's just, ah, fuck. They got, their styles are so different. We gotta get, like, a real rating system. And, like, I think they show, like, Kumo D had did this, some rap that did it. And I'm like, oh, shit, I've been doing that in my mind. But if we put like a real point system, like, remember NBA jams? And you really could judge get a real madden's score of that. Then it makes sense because it's like a formula to it.

And that should have really, then you could really, there's no debating. But sports is like that. And rap is like. Even that TV show, they got the shit where they got the Warriors and they show scientifically what their blade is going to be like this. Like you could scientifically break down and say, if this rapper doesn't use the same word in his whole fucking song or verse, he's fucking not. If you use the same word, if you use a bunch of curses that's taking up, you're not lyrically nice. But my thing, too, is, like, 50 being so important to me clearly has something to do with the fact that I was, like, 17, 18, graduate in high school. Like, the music from that time period of your life feels so fucking important.

And in comparison, like, run DMC were amazing. I was a small child. I didn't really understand their contribution the same way that, like, 50, I felt him coming out because I actually was kind of a grown. You pause. I was just like a grown-up. Like, I got it. I got it for what it was. Yeah.

And music always sounds better when you ain't got no fucking bills and you're chilling and you're living off your parents and shit. So I remember that. When you haven't heard it a million times because I'm 38. It's like, if I hear a fire rapper tomorrow,

it's like for sure he's dope, but he also has to compete with like 30 years of me listening to other rappers. Whereas early in my life, when I first heard doggy style, nothing will ever hit me the way that doggy style.

that doggie style did. Yeah. Because it was just pause, because it was just so wrong. Whoa. Whoa. The girls are pausing me. Hey, ooh, that was nuts. It's all girls pause to be.

Yeah, thank you. Thank y'all. But like, you know. I missed that one. Thank y'all. I don't know if any album could ever have that effect on me that that had at that time. Doggy, I think doggie style, like I had it on fucking cassette tape, and I remember I took it to school and my fucking teacher took it and called my mom's and all kind of shit and got me in trouble for

having it but that shit was hard I still remember my dad walking in on me listening to Tupac and he he heard like the the F word the shit word the N word every single word all in like one bar and he just walks over takes the CD out and he just walks it walks back out he didn't say nothing you just take it out I don't know if I even I figured out I got to be able to go look through his drawers later like it wasn't like a big house so there wasn't that many spots where he would be able to hide the CD so I figured I would be able to go get it back you got it back I don't really remember how that played out I used to get my girlfriends taking away.

I had, like, gold friends in junior high, saved my little $150 to get girlfriends downtown Brooklyn. And my mom would fucking take them and out sometimes I forget with him. And I was taking them and hide them. I always would find them to go get more. But that was our thing in junior high, girlfriends and polo.

When I go back to, like, thinking about high school, there's so many things I'm glad I didn't know about in high school. Like, I didn't really know about drugs. I didn't know anything about, like, I was interviewing somebody one day, And they just said, they're telling their life story, and it sounds kind of normal. And then he just goes, so then I turned 16 and somebody introduced me to armed robbery. And that was pretty much it for me.

And I'm just like, damn, I'm glad nobody put me on to that at 16. I was doing armed robberies at 15 years old. Yeah. That was nuts. And, like, thinking about, I didn't go, friend, if my sons ever grew up and did half this shit that I did, I feel like I felt as a father. Right. You feel like, I was doing shit that you think about it. Like, you could have died.

And this time, that time, and another time over nothing, over false leaves. Like, we could be chilling right now. All those homeboys, we 15, fucking, some 16, 14. And somebody coming, yo, I got a spot right here. They got a jewelry store. And they're selling Coke out the back or whatever. We ain't doing no fucking homework. We in case a word, I bet.

Grabbing guns, we're not even driving, bro. We're walking to the spot, riding bikes to the spot, doing wild. shit just off of like you really not having no I pray that I'm gonna try to instill in my kids to be fucking thinkers and I have that impulse I don't know if it's really like a testosterone with you a teenager shit going through your mind but it was just dumb shit that like you'll be mad I wouldn't be mad at myself if I die on some legendary shit but you'll be mad if you die on some dumb shit that you could have avoided you'd be in the coffin like I'm a dickhead yeah especially these days pursuing a life of crime just

seems like the craziest shit imaginable in this day and age because of the cameras, because of the surveillance. Like, you know, there hasn't even been, like, a real serial killer in, like, so many fucking years because they just, they catch them so fast. I think they are. They just don't publicize it, man. It'd be some shit. I guarantee you it some, look at all this shit with ain't it a bunch of girls getting

sex traffic and taking the kidneys? Y'all heard about that shit? That shit's just crazy. Like, I don't have no daughters and I'm not a girl, but I know, like, girls, talk about that shit. So I'm pretty sure some of them are getting killed. And knowing about that and seeing videos,

I've seen a video in New York of like two dudes popping out of a car and trying to kidnap a little boy, like a five-year-old boy. And the mom is chasing him back to the car. And then I think they ended up catching the fools. But I'm like, what the fuck are they going to do with this boy? I'd be thinking that too.

And then I just don't even want to answer those questions. Scary. I don't play. I don't let my kids go by fucking other people's crib, spending night. I don't play none of that shit. shit like y'all gonna be the fuck with me or with your mother or my mother i don't all that people be too loose with their kids and that's fucking n't even like sometimes like girls that have

dudes by the crib and you'll be like yo what fuck you just guys around your crib or whatever you know what i'm saying like my brother had to ask a chick like yo she's like oh you're good he said how you even know i'm good like what's up with you you you know what i mean just like sometimes like that's the problem people will see something and then they'll just talk about it after something that happened after the little girl get molested. You'll talk, yo, she always be having motherfuckers in the credit. You could check people. They might not know what the fuck they're doing.

They might think it's okay because nobody's saying nothing. So a lot of dudes, you know for bitches a bad mom and she, you shouldn't be in her fucking bedroom and she got boy childs or little girls and the fucking door is open and you having sex with all. She's locking the door and the kid can't get in. Like, I'll say something to a chick like you're not being a good mom. some corny shit. You need to deal with it.

Have your kids sleep or whatever or real shit. I'm so glad I never had to encounter that. The kid just like hanging on the door. You got to do what's right. You got to do the right thing. Even just the fact of having a door locked and the fucking door being locked and your mom's in there, that's like terrible. I know how I would feel as a boy child if I seen that.

That's fucking terrible. So I like to do the right thing and then tell others to do the right thing and not just go along with the flow. so many things I used to do that I thought would normal seem crazy in the movies. So like go to a fucking warehouse party doing hell of coke and shit and then bring like 30 girls back to the crib and we're all just hanging

out like what the fuck was I think? No condoms. No condoms. No condoms. Never. That I promote. I tell my people we're fucking condoms. Condoms and coke dick don't go well together. Some might say it's impossible. Myself being one of them. Condoms and coke dick.

That's your next mix. That's a t-shirt. Now that ain't my name safe. You're going to have to host that shit. I'll have no content. Connums and Coke dick. I have no content. There should be one record. That's a single.

You should put that on a shirt. It's for the condoms and coke dick, man. I'm trying to beat the Coke head reputation, though, man. Yeah, you got to. Once I really started dabbling in the streets, I started realizing, like, I mean, Coke is kind of, like, recreational, man. Like, not, I mean, not to me. I won't do it, but I don't judge.

It's like how mad people smoke weed, especially y'all in the West Coast, Like in New York it's a little more hush, but not really. But last time I was in Williamsburg and we're just smoking a blunt, walking down the street, and we walked by a cop and the cop doesn't even look at us. At all. I'm like, what happened? Shit changed.

Shit changed, man. But condom and coke dig I should go on a shirt. And like, you say trying to shake the reputation, man. Whatever. I couldn't imagine putting that shit into my body at this point. I care about myself way too much. That's it. Especially everybody dying off fent on.

You might be partying it. Fane on Coke is different. Nobody's got fentanyl in it all the time now. They cutting it wrong. You got it put isotone in it. I used to take perks from fans and shit. You were taking random pills? Y'all, I never took a blunt from a fan and smoked it.

I did that every day for years and years. I picked it up and I was like, no, I ain't going to smokey. I felt like I'd be, like, we always grow up thinking that you're going to be in a chicken coop. Like, smoking. You smoked the wrong shit. I'm not, I'm not fucking with that, man. You're crazy. Yeah.

But yeah, you got to just, man, do whatever the fuck you want to do. bro. Like, at the end of the date... Don't do fake perks. Don't do fake perks. And you're trying to... Don't shake the fucking... If it's strenuous to shake the coke reputation, don't.

Because look at all these people that, when they be gone. I didn't know Fred Sanford. One of the biggest comedies ever. You know Fred Sanford is? No. Gotta get your culture, bro. What the fuck? Oh, my gosh.

It gets worse. Yeah, whatever. Shit I don't know about that would blow your mind. But, like, they don't mad drugs in living and enjoying their life. Like you gotta live your life. No, but what I'm saying is that like Coke. There's no overdose. Coke gives people, like it occupies such a big part of people's mind that I realized over the years that

me and the homies would be talking about like, oh, we was doing Coke last week, yada, yada. Everyone who hears that thinks that you are a full-blown cokehead. Whereas we can sit here talking about smoking weed and like nobody's going to be surprised if you just don't smoke weed for the next couple days. But if you say that you do coke because most people don't do coke, they just assume that you like I literally have not done coke in like three years. So it's like that that's kind of the weird part is I still will go on Vlad and be reading hell of comments saying look at this motherfucker. He on hell of Coke. Why? You got caught doing Coke somewhere or something before? It was like a...

It's not so much that I got caught so much is that I probably like fully documented myself on Instagram or whatever. Not but people will just look at me and just think that I'm on coke because I have hell of energy and I be like, unless I'm smoking weed, people think that I'm on some shit because I fucking have like really high energy level. That's what they post the thing. But whenever they have an opinion is and they, that means they're. seeing you and you make money off of being visible. So it was like, fuck it. Like, I don't give a fuck. You want to say I'm a crackhead? Cool, long as I'm getting paid for it. I don't give a fuck. You know what I'm saying?

But I started to think about it because now we're trying to get my kid in like, you know, good preschools, private preschools and shit. And then you start to think like, oh, damn, they're going to fucking Google my name. And my kid is not going to get into this preschool because the other parents are not going to want to be around this fucking drug adult, the fucking porn star dude. Well, this is L.A. So probably It's probably not going to go that way, man.

I got a song called so about the money. Maybe, I don't know. We're going to find out, I guess. Yeah, let me tell you something about public school, which I got found out. Like, I get this advice to everybody. My, like, he was beefing, we didn't call it one day, and he just like, fuck.

I'm like, yo, what's so? What was you, man? You're like, I probably shouldn't say his name because his wife watches my shit. Tell her to delete it. Believe it. Oh, yeah. Laura. All right.

Thank you, Laura. So he's like, yeah, my, my fucking. in my fucking wife, man. She's like always, he's like, yo, she's making me get my kid in this private school. And I'm like, what's wrong with that?

He said, the fucking private school costs more than I pay for the bar. Yeah. And it's like, you can really just move into a fucking neighborhood. All that money you're about to spend in school, go moving to 90210. And just move, and

in Manhattan, you could literally do that. You can move the Gramercy Park instead of spending $4,000, $5,000. and upwards for your kid to go to school, just go get an apartment in that zip code and your kid is going to be zoned to a great school. And you save money and you fucking improve your quality of living.

So, like, don't get caught on the concept of private school because I honestly know, I don't know a lot of people who went to private school that are fucking real successful. I don't know a lot of people who went to private school, period, because I just never even knew that was a thing when I was a kid. So, yeah, I kind of agree. I never really knew anyone who went to that shit. Don't get caught.

up in that spending unnecessary money on shit when you could you could fucking how much the private school costs did you trying to think about going to and it's fucked up because they start from three now so bro you you could fly in fucking uh people cultured people from all over to teach your kid four languages you could do all that for the same money that you're about to spend you could videotape it document it and make money off of that like here's how to do it the right way you feel me instead of sending them to that school where a lot of man do you stress out about how your kids might grow up

like once they get older like does it feel like you need to give them this very high end experience as a child it's constant correction I gotta constantly correct shit they're doing like they just nope come back here nope come back here so like the shit it'd be like it's not stress I don't stress like yo they live in the hood

they might go outside and get in the fucking gangs and get killed like how shit like I was growing up with there's just different stresses like I take them to Brooklyn on a regular so they could get that edge. I don't want them just growing up all privilege and soft and shit. You know what I'm saying?

Just different shit now. Now I'm telling my kids, instead of not listening to fucking bad rap music and shit, when I was like 7 and shit, it's like, yo, don't watch these stupid widows on fucking YouTube. And hackers and shit like that. They're like, it's bullshit. It's not real life.

So it's just constantly fixing and adjusting them. And like, I guess you won't, like, I see some of the work paying off because my oldest son, which is five, I remember him telling my six-year-old told my five-year-old something. So I tell my kids, yo, don't play in the street. I live in a real nice neighborhood on an estate or whatever. And, like, you know, kids can play outside, but shit still can happen.

Anything. I'm like, yo, don't play in the street, not only because it's dangerous, but because the car's going to hit you, your head's going to roll on the floor, it's going to be blood all over the street, your mom's going to be crying. I got to pay for your funeral. Everybody's going to be sad, and then you're going to go in the dirt and get eight by one. worms. That's how you got to

fucking shock them. So now one of my kids was going off to the street and my six-year-old said, don't go into the street because you're going to get hit by a car and your head's going to be rolling all over the ground.

So I feel like it's working. Whatever I'm doing is working. It ain't like I got kids and I know how to do. I'm just freestyling it. Because when I think about though, my parents, they really try to warn me

not to do all the shit that I ended up doing. But you're not taking it from them if like, if you're not in it, if you're not in it, Your parents ain't in the streets. Exactly. You know, it's not like they're like, hey.

I can tell my dad was a square. You feel me so like, like, my pops would tell me shit, but I know like he wasn't, he was like in the streets because of the environment, but he wasn't actively being a gangster in the streets. If he showed me like, yo, watch out for these stupid people because here, you'll get shot here like this. Or, yo, hey, I had, look,

you see this picture with me with mad money? Don't fuck with these type of women or don't fuck with these type of people because then you'll be broke and look at this picture of me in jail. then it's like something real because I can see you have mad money

and you fell off you almost lost your life here but if you just tell me don't do it I'm like why because everything that we're seeing in the streets

is glorifying it you don't when people go to jail they just go to jail you don't hear what they're going through how they broke how they're trying to call people

and not get no calls how people's fucking a girl and you know what I'm saying and all kind of wild shit their kids is running around broke like that's why I say

the streets is a myth but if we had parents tell us Like, my kids know everything I've been through, everything I'm going through. I tell them straight up. So, like, y'all know this is what you don't want to do. Or you do it the right way. We all going to have urges.

We all going to want to do certain shit. But don't be in the gangs. Be a leader of a gang. If you're going to do something, at least you don't got to get put to do a bunch of bullshit. And you can lead your gang in a positive way. We're not going to rob old ladies in fucking liquor stores. You know what I'm saying? We might do something else.

Still illegal, but at least you being an leader. And not a follower, because when you're a follower, you could get led to do anything. Bro, I know people are in jail for mad years, for dumbs. Yo, I know somebody who, I know somebody who, fucking, it was a pussy who made him do it. Sucker. He liked, he sent a guy into, he said, yo,

go rob this dread. I was just in a dread house. I just bought a pound of weed. Go to drag crib. Right now, I'm going to tell you where everything is. You could go get it. He got 10. pounds of weed, whatever, whatever.

The kid is hype. He's hyped like how I was when I was a kid. Oh, where? Boom, let's go. But he wasn't as smart. So the same dude, he gives him a gun. He said, yo, take this, boom. I'm going. And you take it from there.

He goes in, everything going. He gets in the crib. Yo, Jay, get on the floor, whatever. Jeff, like, all right, all right. All right. Where to whatever the weed at, whatever. Joe, you all right there. You got something right here.

The dread realizes that this motherfucker gave him a beast. gun the judge goes for his gun and kills the kid right there on the spot real shit and that all comes from he gave him a BB gun to go in a robbery even way is bad if you go to rob somebody for 10 fucking pounds how much was pounds 2000 through whatever you going to rob somebody and it ends up in a murder 30,000 dollars and even going to cover your lawyer or you go to rob with a BB gun they murder you yeah the fuck that money might cover you a funeral but you didn't Beat the murder? I don't know.

I ain't follow up that much into it, but he probably ran to Jamaica or some shit got the fuck out of there. Why not? You know what I'm saying? But yeah, like, and his mad dummy missions like that. I remember robbing whole,

I remember robbing shit. Like, just getting a word of something is there, and I'm robbing shit, and I felt bad because somebody was in there with their kid, and I'm like, yo, yo, hold on, yo, my son. I'm just like,

I felt like a fucking scumbag. But the fake older homies, the OGs, I'm 15, and you got OGs that's supposed to be day 22, 23, and they're just leading you to do dumb shit. And you're thinking they gangster, but it's all about perspective. Because when you grow up, you're like, wait, why are we having gang meetings with fucking 15, 20 people in this OG's bedroom that he shares with two or three other brothers and sisters? You're thinking they fucking cool, yo. Now, this the man, because he got fucking the newest Jordans or phone posits at the time.

You're thinking, nah, this is the man. He's getting money. At 22, I had the newest benzes. You feel me? And that's over-trapping. That's not with no music. But it's just perspective, the environments that you went to and the people you look up to, you know what I'm saying?

That'll make you think, y'all, I should be doing this. I should be doing that. When in reality, that shit, you should be doing the right thing as much as possible or doing your own thing. and that's why I say fuck that private school shit bro you got enough experience in life I forgot that's where we're coming from here yeah

yeah you got enough experience in real life that you can lead your kids and raise them better than anything and if you keep working how you're working we all know money pays for a lot of shit money and relationships that private school you might get them

with a kid who the kid is taking oxy cottons out of their parents fucking closet because the mom's mad rich but she's depressed or whatever the fuck and now all of a sudden the kid getting the pills and some dumb shit

The nicest. That don't happen in the schools in the hood. You might get on weed and do a robbery or murder. The most richest person I ever probably hung out with my life. It was basically like this kid. His dad's a fucking billionaire, basically, in the music business. I'm kicking it with him. And he just starts talking about how he was addicted to Zanz and all this shit for years.

And I remember just thinking, like, bro, like I come from a place where a crazy amount of opiate deaths. Right, right. But those people didn't come from nothing. They were running away from their fucking upbringing. And if anything, they're doing these pills and getting fucked up off heroin because what the fuck else do they have going? I kind of relate to it because there's been times of my life where I was so miserable that I thought, man, I might as well get fucked up doing this shit.

This dude, I'm like, you had every opportunity ever imaginable and you still decided to go become a junkie. That's crazy. That's the same. That's basically, it's like just a flip side of the perspective in the streets. Like, growing up in the hood, like using jugs other than weed that was frowned upon, you know what I'm saying? So, but like on the flip side, there's.

throw their life away as or from where you come from they throw their life away and become a junkie we'll throw our life away and go to jail I know a fucking bum who hopped over a counter and robbed the Chinese restaurant. Yo, how much at the time it was like, yo, he's wild but how much money you really going to get from that

stupid? What are you going to get? Like, but then you throw, he went to jail for some other shit like that but it's like you threw your life away in there 15 years for nothing and it's still for somebody else showing you hey, dude it's just like somebody can show you, hey, do these jugs or whatever.

So if you're a leader and not a follower, I'd rather go down with some shit that I started. You know what I'm saying? Really. I've seen so much. Like, I interviewed a rapper six months ago. Seemed cool. If you would ask me, like, do you think he's a real super gangster? I'll be like, I don't know.

I mean, this in prison time, sure. I don't fucking know. A couple months later, he gets picked up for a body, killed this other gang member, apparently. I'm like, what the fuck, bro? I just met this dude. He seemed like his rap career was going pretty good. Who you talking about the, from the West Coast, right?

I don't know. The dude, he was like a Hoover or some shit. Okay, you know. Yeah. I just been, you know what I've been watching? I've been like, I've been on YouTube. I don't know why, but it's not shit on TV. Although everybody need to go tune into my fucking reality show.

It's called All About the Money. It's on YouTube. The Factor Show podcast. But sometimes it don't be shit on TV. And they got like this shit is in the mix of your shit. And it's called, you could bleep it out when you. It's called Swamp Stories. No, yeah, I fuck with that dude.

All right. It's like, this is why. hoping you were going there. Bro, this is why I say the streets is a fucking myth. This is why I say this. If everybody's gang, gang, and supposed to be violence and tolerating disrespect, he talks mad, sarcastic and crazy.

That dude, but nobody knows who he is. Well, if my gang ain't powerful enough to locate this person and handle disrespect, then I need to get out that gang. That means it's a myth. But there's a lot of people on YouTube now, like even with the Dolf shit, Dahl gets killed. There's people making videos.

R.P. Dolf. Yeah, the rest of me is Dahl, but crazy amount. or research into who kill. I think they had it figured out way before the cops made arrests and shit. Yeah. I mean, and they never show their face.

And if they did show their face, they were probably, you know? They'd probably be dead. Yeah. But Swamp Story said he wanted to come on here. I'm kind of thinking, like, bro, I don't know if that's a good idea. Nah, do it. You got to do it. You got to do it.

You know, it's like the shit with the skateboards. How he was talking about? Like, I'm watching not for the tricks. I'm watching see the motherfuckers fall. You know what I mean? But now that's dope. He got a lot of dope content. So I think you should.

That's a jug. I see him like make a channel and then realize like, oh, I can really get money doing this. And all of a sudden, he's hustling putting a video out every other day. The details that he go into, he'd be like, what the fuck? I don't get that shit. How? It's just crazy how little the value of a human life is to so many people. That's the main thing I always end up walking away from those videos with.

It's only the value that comes from, that comes from, that shit really comes from damn near. I don't even want to say it comes from slavery, but I don't know my research on that. far but like human life really had no fucking value like it's a lot of throughout the history but like i know as far as like in the urban community that shit come from slavery like it really wasn't no it really wasn't no value you could be bought you could be fucking sold you come somebody could come in and just rape your your wife like snatch your kids whatever so we started having that we carried that level of disrespect with each other later on in life.

So it's like if you live in and I think it's human nature on top of that, a little bit of it because for example, when I'm in a husband, I'm in Brownsville chilling. We're eating fucking chicken wings and throwing the wings out the fucking car, out the window, boop. Next to you know,

some pile of wings on the floor, boom. Fleeing other nice neighborhoods. If I'm on rodeo drive, I'm not doing that shit. If I'm going in a fucking I got a condo, really nice area, whatever. And we're getting in the Julian. I'm with one of my people from the hood, like a real close one.

And like dance elevator clean. I'm like, yeah, you know it's crazy. Like if the elevator was dirty, like some shit in the projects, even till the day, if I got to piss, I'll piss in the elevator. But it's just because there's no, like, if the environment you in, don't respect yourself, you're not going to respect it. You feel me? So if you're seeing everybody getting upset and then killing somebody,

and you're going to get on that type of time. You're going to adapt. It's human nature. If you see, my neighborhood motherfuckers walk by, say, hey, good morning. You're going to start saying good morning. It's different.

It's just the environment that you win. So most times you should work and work as hard as you can. Not saying people say there's no opportunities. I don't give a fuck. If you're selling drugs and you're working at McDonald's, combine them both and work

and get out of your situation because it's really not. It's more classism than racism, though. And if you put yourself in a different class, it'll work. Even if it's you and your, girl, y'all got two jobs. Now you're not fucking middle class. You know what I'm saying?

Y'all put your bread together and work. And that should have passed on to your kids, to their kids, and so on. But if you stay stuck... Everybody wanted to be this like cool playboy and just fuck a million girls instead of like realizing like, oh, I don't really have the funds to be what I'm trying to be right now.

And if I find a chick who actually is working and is cool and respectful, you could actually build something again. I go first. Shout out to shout to the women because a lot of women are more responsible and mature than men, and they take care of a lot of these bums. Ladies, y'all are fucking enablers. True, true.

Enablers, they take care of bums, and the bums go to another chick, and so on and so on. She said, she didn't take any bums. But you cannot take care of these fucking bums. If he's a certain age and he don't have a car, he's a bum. If he come and living from his mom's house and moving with you, he's a bum. You should move in with a man, not a man moving with you. Real shit. Like,

take notes, girls. You can't fuck with nobody that don't have their own because they're going to become a leech and they're going to become worthless and then they'll become a liability and not an asset. So I see that a lot of times

with women, they fuck with bums and then they might get with a real one and try to, oh yeah, you should take me and treat me like this bitch

who how? You got the bum who was, you was giving him all your money. Y'all, what did I look like a sucker? Yeah. So I say that

as it's the worth that you have in yourself. You got a show that you got that worth like what? Don't nobody come to fucking live with me in my house with my kids. Automatically, if I hear you had a boyfriend and he's not the father of your kid and you let him live in your fucking house, the fuck type of shit is that?

Do he rescue you and you moved in his house? Or you allowed a bum to come living your house? I'm going to treat you accordingly because that's like being a dirty, fucking pissy elevator. I might piss on you because it's your elevator is pissy. That's a fact. As opposed to if we having a conversation and you, You got a kid. A lot of women got kids.

I don't hold against them. And you'd be like, yeah, I got a relationship. We broke up. You know, I had to move out, get my own spouse over on men, whatever, whatever. That's more respectable than you're letting a fucking bum live with you. Because you already, you're arrest haven't for bums. I'm not going to be the sucker. That's a fact.

Yeah, that's what it is. I want to ask you, I just wanted to know, not only for my own knowing, because I like to know shit, I like to learn. but to even people watching when you say like you was really fucked up and depressed and all that I don't know if you spoke about it before or not but like

what was it that you was going through if you could speak about it because I only ask this because a lot of times somebody might be going through the same shit that's watching and they might hear that shit randomly and be like they might not listen to shit that we said and at the end they might be like

oh shit he went through that shit and he got through it and that might be the purpose of this whole interview this is somewhat motivational I don't know if I ever said this, but the worst one I ever had when I think about it was when I first moved to Long Beach at the time from New York. And it's like, you know, I'm out there for a couple months and I meet this girl. She seems amazing. We fall in love with each other.

Basically, we're like hanging out nonstop for like three, four months. And then it basically just goes really, really bad. And that just like triggered it where it wasn't even that it was just about the girl because that obviously kind of suck that I like really felt like super happy about our relationship. and then she just fucking obliterated it because she was a crazy drunk whore. But then also it was like, I kind of just had also this realization where it's like I got to see my life clearly

and realize like you are not shit. Like you really have not like you can't just walk through life feeling like you already made it. Like you really have not accomplished enough for you to really be happy with your life. So it was weird because it was sad for me at the time. Like it was tough to get through. But by the end of it,

I was so much more. determined to like actually really make something out of myself and to take my life more seriously. So I mean, it was like I had like a rough month and I was lucky because I was living with a bunch of my homies who rode bikes and stuff and they were the ones who really like got me to go out and like actually socialize, be around other girls, realized that this chick didn't mean shit. Right. So I actually came out of it like a completely different person with a completely different outlook on life.

But that was probably the worst, the worst depression I ever had. But it was so many things all at once because it was like the move to California. moving can always be hard because all of a sudden you just, you don't have all the usual shit to rely on or things that make you feel comfortable. Success is not comfortable.

That shit is uncomfortable. I used to have to go sell my music every day even when I didn't want to but I knew it was going to mean something. I used to go to clubs yellow selling Coke, the fucking weirdos. Even when I didn't want to but I had to be there.

Who the fuck I want to listen to a bunch of do, do, do music with no words. I mean, they're getting money. You know what I'm saying? So for people who feel like, I'll be telling this to like, I tell us to my fucking son's playing football. I'm tired of running. You want to win, you won the game,

or you won't be a fucking loser? I don't say fucking loser, but I say you won't be a loser. And you gotta work, you're gonna be uncomfortable. You know what I'm saying? So you gotta tell people that more like, fuck, if you feel uncomfortable, then guess what? You're probably doing something right, because you're gonna come out of it stronger and better.

And it's mad people going through relationship shit. Me personally, that only happened. That only happened me when I was like 16 in high school. And then I got my, I got like my cheating-ass girlfriend. She was a whole out the way early. But it was cool. I needed that. Because then that made me become stronger.

And like I look out for the signs. But some people would have it to them later on in life. Every man go through that shit. That's funny. Because actually the other time that I can really identify when I was depressed as fuck when I was like 18 graduating high school. And the girl that I dated all through high school for like two and a half years, she broke up on my ass

oh my god I was miserable but then like I kind of came like all those times you get your heartbroken as a dude fucking with chicks whether it only has to happen once or twice or whatever that shit will teach you

so much more about life and about who you are and about how you should be moving than anything else you need that I feel like you need that shit it's a blessing a lot of times you can't just take it as like

damn it's fucked up that shit is a blessing dog for real because it's like okay if you were a boxer If you wanted to be a boxer, you go out there, you get your ass beat one time. You know, it's going to feel like the worst fucking thing ever. But then if you keep going and you've had 30 wins and you get knocked out for the fourth, fifth time, whatever it is, like, it's going to seem like fucking nothing.

That's how I used to be so nervous about coming to do a podcast. And then I just fucking did it a million fucking times. And I really, like, I beat the anxiety out of myself. Yeah, that's the fact. Do you like, do it like, that's crazy. Because I'll be feeling like butterflies when I started. doing a fact-no show and it's really just me talking shit or just telling. But you just

don't know if you're going to be able to get on there and actually like hold the momentum. You know? Yeah, was that a good episode? Like, do you write down questions or you just go? Yeah, yeah, I write shit down. And then what you remember it or you got it? Or they tell it to you in? I kind of just like glanced at it. It's just like a bunch of different shit just in case like, in case we get to the

point where you say something and then my brain just goes blank, I can kind of be like, oh right, what about this thing? Yeah, that's dope. Like, so I was like mad down and fucked up and depressing. You know, I just channel my energy different. Like, I had low points in my life and shit. You know what I'm saying?

Like, going through a case and just, like, mad shit, like getting my kids taking away from me and fucking having an ankle monitor. Everything that I like to do was just stripped away. My best friend died. I was sitting in jail. Like, just a bunch of shit, losing mad money. And, like, I leveled up.

I leveled up multiple times more. Just like you leveled up multiple times more. So it always get graded later. My man champs said that, free Ramadan. it always get graded later and I feel like that's the message that we got to pump to the people it's cool like to come up and talk about

I got a new album God is great paper shit I got another album Killer Be Kilt the album They're incredible whatever but it's all about

if you if you ain't doing something to I got I got people that told me a dog I believe in God because of you

that's real shit than me that's better than any album any song in the club whatever you feel me just like I said people told me yo, I was going to kill myself,

but because you said that I didn't. That's what the fuck life is about with me. And, of course, having the money. You know what I'm saying? It helps. It feels good. But, like, if you got that, and then you could do, like, once that's accomplished,

all right, check off the, now you got to do shit to be a good person and make people better, you feel me? So when I feel like a lot of time with your truth, like, I'm about to go talk at a, what's this shit called? We about to go talk after this? Oh, yeah, like a drug prevention

or rehab center. I'm going to talk to the people. And I'm going to talk to them from a dealer perspective. You feel me? I'm going to let them know. Like, I'm going to just talk straight up. I'm not going to sugarcoat all you guys. I'm going to say, like, listen, this is how we looked at you as a dealer.

You know what I'm saying? Would you want to be looked at like that or whatever? And I'm just telling them the real raw shit. And like, to me, I don't give a fuck if there's 200 people in that room. That shit is going to help somebody in there. I did my job. I did my job. And just doing the right thing.

what we pose to do with every trip I like it that's fine I gotta go family weekend I'm about to take off go drop north where you going north where is that

she wants to go to her old fucking college town Santa Cruz so I got to go up there with the kid and hang out for the weekend probably walk Maybe you'd be on Swamp Stories I've seen the same

but Billy Western gonna stay with me right exactly yeah Troy Ave no jumper appreciate you man I'm not gonna say you five me because I'm not

I don't know if the gang was and shit I just seen it on here. Yeah, she's, but look at her with the hat. You know what she's from. Oh, wait, you from New York? No. Who are you from the five-me hood?

New York hat means something different out here. What that mean? We'll talk about it later. Oh, we still filming? She can tell you what she's banging later. Troy have no jumper, coolest podcast in the world. West Side T, baby. They call me West Side T when I'm on the West Side.

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