No Jumper - The UnoTheActivist Interview: Getting Shot, Drugs, Playboi Carti & Lil Yachty Beefs & More

Starting point is 00:00:00 No Jumper. Coolest podcast on the world. Today we back in here with Uno, the MFN activist. How you feeling, guy? Dee. What's going on? This is our second interview. First time, downtown, feels like a million years ago. Like five, four. It was like four years ago, maybe three and a half.

Starting point is 00:00:21 I don't know. No head at. Ballhead, hell shit. Totally different guy. Now you're rolling. You're rolling your own joints. here? Yeah, this man almost killed me last time I seen him. I didn't know if you wanted to talk about it. I gave him a blunt last time. I don't know why I was rolling you a blunt or whatever, but

Starting point is 00:00:38 rolled me the whole entire thing. They take no paper off that motherfucker. You smoked the whole thing and you were kind of catatonic by the end of that. By the end of the blunt, I was dead, literally. I had to leave, bro. I was going to throw up on camera. That was a good time. I wish I could go back and rewatch that, but if I were to watch, like, my old interview from a couple years ago, I would probably want to put a fucking bullet in my head because it would be so depressing watching myself do an interview back then. Yeah, definitely depressing. I don't blame you for saying that.

Starting point is 00:01:09 I just don't want to see what I was like as an interviewer like four years ago. I can't imagine it. But now, you know, for this interview, it's like, I feel like there's this whole community of Uno stands online. And Adam stands, though. Adam stands, too, but that's its own thing. But, like, you know, I had to reach out to some of my connections in the YouTuber world. I had to say like, yo, listen, I got an Uno interview.

Starting point is 00:01:30 I know you guys are fucking obsessed with him. Let me know what you need me to ask. Yeah. Because we're going to get in that ass. Pause, pause. Let's do it. Not my ass. So what you've been up to?

Starting point is 00:01:46 How would you summarize with the past few years of your career and what you've been up to have been like? I would say I just evolved tremendously over the time. I grew older and. And my mental and the music, you know what I'm saying? You can really see all that show on this album I just rock. The growth and development. Right, because you've kind of gone through a lot of different experimental phases.

Starting point is 00:02:11 Like you seem like somebody who's very much, you know, you're still very motivated by the real art of making the kind of music that you want to make, right? Exactly. I don't really try to fall into other people in pens when it kind of is music. But like, at the end of the day, I still, you know, I still want to please y'all. Definitely, yeah, because it feels like a lot of the fans out there kind of feel like they feel like Uno, the activist hasn't really been given the shot or the spotlight that he deserves, given the quality of the music, especially in comparison to maybe like other artists from a similar generation and stuff that have experienced crazy levels of success and stuff. I feel like to the fans, there's a certain amount where they feel kind of hurt by that. Like, they feel like they want to see Uno win, and sometimes they, they feel personally aggrieved when they feel like you haven't necessarily gotten the shot that you deserve in their eyes.

Starting point is 00:03:09 I feel like the fans just got to get down speak on that shit more so it can be like a thing. Like, the more the fans speak on it, the more it becomes, like, actual reality. You know what I'm saying? People start feeling towards it. Hey, let me see a flame though. A flame. Flame, shit. Y'all got a flame?

Starting point is 00:03:27 I don't got the flame. I ain't flaming shit. I heard you got the flame. No, I got the fire on me, but I ain't got the flame. There it is. Oh, so you don't even do the lighter, huh? You got to be extra healthy with it? Mama clad.

Starting point is 00:03:43 There it is. Yeah, so like, do you feel like you've been, like what has kind of maybe held back the progression? Because I see people who sort of want to blame it on, like, the idea of you being blackballed. I see people trying to blame it on the label thing. from your perspective what has sort of stood in the way

Starting point is 00:04:04 of you maybe accomplishing or getting to a higher level in terms of the music industry or the rap game. I just got to put out that right one. Obviously, I ain't putting out the right one. You know what I'm saying? I can't blame nobody for it.

Starting point is 00:04:16 I just feel like when that motherfucker hit is going to hit and it's going to take over. I feel like I'm on the breaking point right now, you know what I'm saying? So go back to this album and y'all tell me which one y'all think is the one that's going to take it over the top.

Starting point is 00:04:28 Because it's definitely on his album somewhere. Okay. We just got to find it. Do you feel like you know one of your songs is going to be a big hit, or is it kind of something that's going to surprise you? No, I know it. Like, it's something you know when you're good at something. Like you've been in an interview or something.

Starting point is 00:04:44 You know you're going to do a good interview regardless on your half. You know, you're going to be straight. You know what I'm saying? And sometimes, you know, you were going to do your thing, but that sometimes the lyrics and the beat just combined to create something that's way bigger than either piece on its own. Exactly. That's what I did a lot on this album.

Starting point is 00:05:02 know y'all really got to check it out like shit everywhere apple music Spotify you know title soundclad for the ogy listeners right i told i tell my fans i was gonna retire from soundclad yeah it feels like a lot of people maybe have stopped putting stuff on there like i remember when x put out his project like his first album and didn't put it on sound cloud and the fans you would have thought that he fully fucking sold out yeah that was a really big deal at a certain point a couple years ago. Now people don't really care so much. Yeah. I mean, you always got easy and then slowly but surely like, but I feel like

Starting point is 00:05:35 people that just listed shit on SoundCloud just need to get their money just a little bit. You know, support your artists, you know what I'm saying? Nixby giving y'all shit for free for years on years on years. Like, we just want a little support. You know what I'm saying? We got to eat too. That's real. I feel like sometimes with the fans, though,

Starting point is 00:05:54 doesn't it feel like the reason, the thing that they think or the reason why they feel like they thought you were going to maybe get to a bigger level is because you sort of came in the game more like industry cosigns from the beginning. Like you had like the what song and shit early on and that sort of sets the stage where they feel like, oh, this is a big enough hit that his career is supposed to go in a certain kind of direction from here. You know what's crazy about that whole little shit, though? I'm doing more numbers right now than I did on that song at the time.

Starting point is 00:06:22 Like, I'm bigger right now than I was at that song when that shit dropped. Like, it's weird. Like, even though that shit was so hyped up, it was just hype. Like, the plays and the numbers wasn't the same. You know what I'm saying? As the hype. It wasn't the numbers in the shit wasn't as big as the hype in the song. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:06:41 Right, because, I mean, at that time, especially, it's like the fans are, the fans are kind of easily fooled by big industry cosines and shit. And they see you around certain people, and in their head that means that things are as big as it might feel. Right. But people got realized, people live everyday lives, you know what I'm saying? One day might be lit it in the next day. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like on my album I was really explaining that. Like, every song different, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:07:10 Because I'm not feeling the same every day. Some days I might feel geeked up. Some days I might feel sad. Some days I want to fuck a bitch all day, you know? So I make music accordingly to how I'm feeling. You know what I'm saying? I feel like the fans got to understand that even the artists go through regular problems. They still feel regular.

Starting point is 00:07:26 You know what I'm saying? Even though we getting money and all this, living better than others, but at the same time, we still had them lows and how as everybody go through? Right. Yeah, because, I mean, you're somebody who, I don't think you're afraid to, like, live your pain through the music. Right. A lot of people just make boastful music and just want to tell you about their wins,

Starting point is 00:07:47 and they don't really give you the substance and stuff, and maybe sometimes that could even sort of mislead the fans in the sense that they think that you, you know, they think that you feel like a failure, or something because you feel comfortable telling them when you're sad in the music. But I feel like for me personally, that's the only way I can even get anything out because I'm a person that I hold everything in. You know what I'm saying? So like I can be mad right now.

Starting point is 00:08:11 You're not even going to really know. But if you hear the music, you'll understand what I was mad about that day or maybe that time, you know what I'm saying? So like I feel like a lot of artists, the only outlet for them to, it's like a therapist. Like the music be like a therapist that you can just tell. everything too, you know what I'm saying? So that's really where to be. And people don't understand that. That's interesting. The real, the real Uno. So take me back when you first came in the game, what was it like? Because it's, like, kind of hard to separate you from that original, like,

Starting point is 00:08:41 we first found out about Uno as part of almost a collective of the 2,900 thing. Right. You just see you around a lot of different artists and stuff. And that's been a big part of sort of watching your career unfold, just seeing how those various relationships played out. That watch just kind of stayed. Stayed back, you know what I'm saying? Take a step back. Because I didn't want to be considered with all that shit, because I feel like, personally, my music was way better. That's just how I felt on the inside. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:09:04 And I felt like it was just getting clouded over with everything, the whole, you know what I'm saying, vibes and the settings and, you know what I'm saying? So me personally, I feel like I'll take a step back, you know what I'm saying, wait to the demographic change up a little bit, you know what I'm saying. Harness my sound, you know what I'm saying, because there's a lot of niggas that sounded similar.

Starting point is 00:09:24 So I'm going to create a new sound, So I'm doing that at the same time as letting this shit brush over, which you kind of did, low-key. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, because as time goes by, it's like people get less obsessed maybe with the idea that they want to see you around the same people that they used to see you around. Right. Mone fuck is feel like people who can. I mean, I understand that. You want to see somebody together that they came like you originally lay eyes on.

Starting point is 00:09:49 Right. Made you fall in love with them people being together. But it's like, just like you, you ain't going to have them same friends. whole life. Hell no. Shit happens. Even if y'all, y'all could still be friends and maybe just stop doing music together. You know, I just, stop doing business together because they may have fucked up. So y'all just

Starting point is 00:10:06 friends strictly, you know what I'm saying? It'd be like that. Like, people just got, again, people got to realize that. As artists, you know what I'm saying? We, the only reason why people got down idolized us is because we're not scared to do what the fault we want to do. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like, as people, we all need to learn

Starting point is 00:10:24 that. Don't be scared. You know what I'm don't be afraid, just do it the fucking you want to do. People going to feel how they feel regardless. Right. That fearlessness of, like, being willing to try something or do something that you don't have a 100% assurance that it's necessarily going to react or it's going to do numbers. That takes a lot of confidence and the fans sometimes reward that, but a lot of times they might just totally miss it, right? So you got to keep pushing it, put in their heads, like, you know what I'm saying, until they get it. It's like teaching somebody, like you got to keep doing it until they finally learn.

Starting point is 00:10:55 Like, okay, I get it now. Right. Does it bother you? Do you feel like people ran off with your sound or made big careers or got credit for a sound that you were sort of early on? No, I don't feel like that, but I was actually using that sound a lot in this album, you know what I'm saying? I'm not really going to say people were doing too much of that because I honestly don't know. I just know that on this album, my made sure I used that flow.

Starting point is 00:11:21 You know what I'm saying? And when you said that flow? I mean, your music had gotten a little bit more melodic. You've experimented with different sounds over the years. I'm my R&B singing that, man. I had to take, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's only so much people can, like, imitate. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:11:38 So you just got to keep taking it up a notch. And I feel like on this album, I just kept taking it up and notch and notch. Even going high, it changed the pitches, frequencies in my voice, all that. It just show people like, I can do that. You know what I'm saying? And it comes from me. You know what I'm saying? I don't have to look around for something.

Starting point is 00:11:53 You know what I'm saying? Right. Do you feel like there's a certain extent to which your fans just want to hear you say a bunch of shit about Zanes and Perks and make that kind of fucking music? Like, is there a percentage of your audience that just wants to hear that shit? Because that's a lot of the content that you were kind of coming with early on. I mean, I feel like I still dibbling dabbling, you know what I'm saying? And you know, I'm going to say it with drugs. But, you know, so I'm still talking about it a little bit. Well, I ain't going to lie.

Starting point is 00:12:16 I used to be a drug addict back in the day. I'm talking about Zanz every day, perks every day. Drink every day. you know what I'm saying I feel like I look skinnier than my last interview you definitely look healthier I think yeah awesome shit you know what I'm saying but it's like me if I talk about I talk about it but that's not what I talk about what I go through every day type shit like I only know how to speak real shit so like if I'm not doing that shit like I used to be I'm not going to be talking about right that that can be tough for them too though you know they like you want to grow as a human

Starting point is 00:12:46 being you want to be healthier happier et cetera sometimes they're not really invested in that in the same way that you are. But that's why it's a whole bunch of different artists for them to listen to for that. You know what I'm saying? If you want to feel heavy, you want to feel uplifted, kind of the act way. You know what I'm saying? If you want to be down or whatever, how you want to feel Zandot, go listen to somebody else. Right. That how it is. I mean, some people be on, people tell me my music sound the best when they have drugs, so I don't know. But Molly, though. Do you tell me my music sound the best when they on Molly. I mean, everything sounds better when you're on Molly, right? Low key.

Starting point is 00:13:19 I mean, I'm sure Frank Sinatra sounds a lot better if I was on Molly, right? Ooh. If I was in that state of mind, everything's going to sound great. Back when I used to do, Molly and should I be talking to girls about their jobs and shit. I feel like drugs just enhance how you feeling, no matter what it is. Mm. You can be on the Molly bad. They can be having bad tricks on Molly all the time.

Starting point is 00:13:39 Oh, yeah. Do you ever get to a point, though, where you were like, I really need to, like, was there an abrupt moment where you're like, I can't really be doing drugs the same way that I have in the past, where you're either caught up to you, physically or some bullshit happened? Honestly, I just got down. Just started working out with the drugs. They're just sitting down. So you kept doing drugs, but then you were working out?

Starting point is 00:14:00 I'm just doing activities, you know what I'm saying? It's not being a slob, you know? Just getting up, getting active swan and shit out. Right. So it's like, I don't know. I still be dimly diving and dabbing. I ain't going to lie. For me, once I start exercising or eating healthy,

Starting point is 00:14:15 then it makes me want to improve every other part of my life. So it's like, once I start doing it. doing a couple of healthy things and it's like I start thinking about the drug thing like like oh I definitely can't be doing that because I'm focused on feeling better that's just gonna take me back a step drugs feel way better when you feel healthy like sometimes I be on drugs like when I used to I used to be on drugs like I used to take a lot of like LSD and shit like oh really you got that phase I had that phase major phase but when I was doing I just felt sloppy you know what I felt where I was sloppy at like fat feeling fat at you know what I

Starting point is 00:14:47 saying not comfortable with the shit. When I was on that, I was like, man, next time I get high, I got to be feeling good, you know what I'm saying? Right. So I just start goddamn hooping, going to the gym, running, shit like that. Did acid, like, fundamentally change

Starting point is 00:15:01 the way that you viewed your life, though? You know that, man. Oh, yeah. Come on, I had the biggest e-o-death in a rap game. That high feel, you know what I'm saying? That's interesting. My shit, a whole 360, I mean, $180, other side. It's easy to look at a lot of rappers in the game and think that they have never experienced ego death, that they don't know what that is, that they fucking could use that big time.

Starting point is 00:15:25 Like, you need to forget that you are what you are. Or really, you are nothing. But you're like out here draping yourself on these fancy clothes and jewelry and girls and all the drugs, all this shit. Like, you're doing all this to sort of create something, turn yourself into something when, you know, stripping all that away will teach you a lot more about who you are. Exactly. The richest man in the room ain't never got no. chains on. He ain't you never got no nothing on because he understands that shit don't

Starting point is 00:15:50 matter. You know what I'm saying? He'll go by a Walmart outfit every day of the week because it don't matter about looking fresh. You know what I'm saying? You're trying to conform to other people's ideas. You're supposed to be conform to your own ideas, you know? You want to do what you want to do. You know what I said? I see it with people

Starting point is 00:16:06 where they're like kind of normal people and they sort of get addicted to the hype and the clout and then all of a sudden like even something as simple as, like okay, two different things. You could just be taking Instagram pictures where maybe it's an iPhone picture you see somebody you fuck with, you take a picture with them, whatever. Some people get into the mind

Starting point is 00:16:21 state of every Instagram photo needs to be a perfect, unbelievably professionally shot photo, designer, head to toe, everything. The lights is a motherfucker. To maximize the likes. And the lights fucking niggas heads up. What's the point at a certain point? Wouldn't you rather be around somebody who's just

Starting point is 00:16:37 kind of them yourself? I ain't going to lie to you, man. I didn't seen anything yet. 5,000 lights. Go to the show. 10 people in that motherfucker. I didn't see that with my own eyes. Seen it. Like, it don't matter. That shit

Starting point is 00:16:51 don't matter. It's about the real life. You know what I'm saying? People got to understand about what's reality right now, you know what I'm saying? Like, once you get out of the internet, you're going to meet the person in real life, and that's when the real shit happened. You know what I'm saying? Shit only gets set up over the internet. The real shit happens in real life and reality.

Starting point is 00:17:07 You know what I'm saying? So people got to get into that mind state more like, and live and breathe. Like, motherfuckers are robots right now. Right. Cyborers and shit. Like if you were to take the next month and just really live your life to the fullest, you know, spend as much time with your family or your friends or whatever it might be, work on music, et cetera. But if you were to not post on Instagram during that time, the conversation about you is going to be someone so fell off, someone so ain't. Like, what he's been doing?

Starting point is 00:17:32 I ain't seen him, you know, like. But I always wanted to have that frank ocean effect, though. I always wanted to just, like, I always wanted to just post it. And when I posted, it just be big. It's good. You know what I'm saying? It's a good content when it drops. so that shit don't really matter.

Starting point is 00:17:45 And in reality, that shit, honestly, if it's good as hell, you know what I'm saying? And you already got your platform and don't matter. You know what I'm saying? That's true to that. You cannot post on Instagram, but post your tape. Post a picture of your tape, and that shit going to go crazy. You know what I'm saying? But do you ever have those doubts of, like, if I don't put shit out for six months

Starting point is 00:18:03 or if I don't do this for this long, the fans might just move along. We've seen fan bases move along throughout our time in hip-hop in crazy ways. Like someone to be super popping and you almost like literally see their fan base just transition to another artist. Yeah. Because they didn't inspire another artist. He sounded like he sounded at first. You know what I'm saying? But I honestly had to go back to how I sounded at first and just try to maximize that.

Starting point is 00:18:28 You know what I'm saying? That's really what I've been trying to do. Going to my original sound, but tightening it up, you know what I'm saying? Making this sound crisbier. Because people going to want to hear how you first come. They want to hear how you first grab. It's going to be motherfuckers that want to hear you growing shit. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:18:44 But you still got to grow and keep it the same at the same time. You got to grow and be you. You know what I'm saying? You got to grow into you, actually. You go back to your old music? Yeah, yeah. I really only listen to the old shit or the very old shit or like the very, very new shit. Right.

Starting point is 00:18:59 You know what I'm saying? And like in between, I forget about it for a little bit until it become old and then I listen to it. Because me, I'm going to be honest, I ain't going to drop the song if it's timeless. So it's like every song on my album kind of older. But it's like you listen to the song after a while you be like, damn, that shit ain't that hard as I used to think you were. But then you listen to a song that's all like yeah, that shit's still hard as hell. Like I just made yesterday, the only ones you got put out because the only ones that people are going to listen to in 10 years. Sometimes the energy in the studio can be so good.

Starting point is 00:19:28 That's your all going to song. You think that the song is the best song ever, but then when you listen to it three weeks later and you ain't fucked up and you ain't around all your friends and shit, you're like, all right, maybe the same. It really be the ones you'd be sleeping on like, yeah. Really? be the ones that when you first make it you don't think it's that hard you know what I'm saying listen to it a couple weeks later that shit hard as hell like damn when you really listening to it you know what it's like taking a picture you just took a picture you know like you might see them same picture get posted like weeks later you know what I'm saying you'd be like damn

Starting point is 00:19:59 you're actually kind of hard you know what I'm saying it's the same if you had a photo you might look at it six months later and be like man that shirt is whack why the fuck was I wearing that shirt but then you see that photo five six seven years later it doesn't matter how goofy the shirt might have been, you're like, wow, like, that's a moment on my fucking like, like, that means a lot to me right now. Yeah. Yeah. You know? It's historical. It's timeless. Right. So what do you hear when you listen to like a teenage version of yourself or in your early 20s or whatever? Is there something that, like, what were the lessons that stand out to you that you needed to learn when you listen to your older self? I wasn't talking about shit.

Starting point is 00:20:35 Like I was just rapping. Like, I just remember all my friends just everybody's like, yo, like you hard as fuck but like you need to start really talking about shit like start talking about your life you know I'm saying like start including that shit but still keeping it the same way but like just start including it and that's what not really that's the lesson I learn like you really got to be real in this in the sense you know what I'm saying like if you just rapping like shit people can't really feel it you know what I'm saying because it's like you're not feeling it you're just saying it ain't really true people want to relate to shit that really happen because shit happens to multiple people like You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:21:09 That's the biggest lesson I learned. Keeping it real and authentic. It's like really speaking your truth in the music because motherfuckers want to hear that shit. Muffer's really listening to music to get away from their problems. You know what I'm saying? So you really, it's like you got to speak your problems so they can relate to it.

Starting point is 00:21:25 And like, that's how they get away. It's crazy. Right. You speak your problems and other people relate and they get away from their problems. Right. And if you go in there and just say a bunch of generic shit that anybody else could say,

Starting point is 00:21:35 then they're just not going to be able to... Then you just like everybody else. like go listen to him he said the same shit you're saying bro right you know what I'm saying you want to the goddamn speak your shit because people nobody's gonna go away exactly you go through you know what I'm saying so people want to hear that like damn he really him he's not nobody else you know I'm saying like I can't just go list to somebody else he's gonna be saying the same shit as him right that's what it's really about there's a lot of pressure in the music industry though to like do things for the short-term value of your career that you might not really think is

Starting point is 00:22:05 the best idea in the long term is you have you ever like done things or you know sort of gave in to things that maybe other people in your career wanted you to do and then you ended up looking back at it because it's kind of as an artist you're building this like overall brand of who you are and sometimes if you were to go off and do something and then you sort of look back it and you're like man like that wasn't the right that's all about the growing experience though that's the experiment that's what scientists do that's how they figure out what is what they keep experimenting until they find that shit they keep tries and errors like I kept going through tries and errors until I found something I like

Starting point is 00:22:38 boom and I put all them bitches on the album oh god right just keep experimenting like you gotta keep I don't know explaining really but it's like you just gotta keep doing it bro until it works keep trying something different until that work for you until you find your niche you know what I'm saying that's real

Starting point is 00:22:55 does it bother you that the fans seem so obsessed with trying to figure out like what your relationships with are with various people that you previously worked with are it really don't bother me because I really just don't care for it that much. I really be in my own world. Like, I'm on my some little one and shit. And I just be in my own world, too, and then locked in the studio. So I was locked in this whole time and came out with the album. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:23:20 But do you ever worry that that's not good enough for them, that they want, I don't know, they want drama, they want explanation. They want, they want something to hang on to like that. They're going to want something, but shit, my real fans don't care about that shit. So, your day one fans is don't care about it. So it's like, why should you care about it? If you have those kind of fans that you feel like you don't have to doubt what they expect from you, then that's like about as good as it gets because I feel like, I don't doubt my fans, man. Because the numbers is still going up.

Starting point is 00:23:51 The numbers is increasing. So it's like, whatever they're saying is good, if it's bad or not, it's good. You know what I'm saying? Because they talk. That's really what it's all about. having, stand in somebody here, a conversation. Like, you don't never want to get somebody too much because then once they feel like they know you all the way,

Starting point is 00:24:09 that's when they stop. You know what I'm saying? You want somebody to keep, like, damn, what is it to him? Like, what's to that, man? Like, I don't really, I'm still trying to figure him out. You still got to, you know what I'm saying? You still going to try to figure it out until you try. You ain't never going to figure it all the way up.

Starting point is 00:24:26 So you're going to keep in tune. You're going to stand soon. For sure. I remember, you know, maybe a couple years ago that somebody told me that basically like Uno got shot. Right. Was that, when you look back at that, was that a really sort of fundamental changing point that, like, forced you to really think about what you were doing and where you were at in your life?

Starting point is 00:24:47 Oh, hell yeah. Of course, anybody who that happens to, like, especially when you feel like it's somebody closing, you know what I'm saying? Or regardless, it's like, you got to just check your surroundings. Like, you got to make sure niggies is really here for you. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can't just be it. You can't think everybody, bro, like, realistically. That's why, you know, growing up, you see them demographics to be like ninth grade, out of fan, 10 grade, less fans, 11 grade, three friends, 12 grade, no friend. That's really how to be, like, you know what I'm saying? He just got it. Because the more you people who really here for you, the more you see, like, what's really going on. And that's what I had to learn. You feel like you start moving over a niggas like that. You start moving around a lot. You start moving around a lot. different because of that. Yeah. Like I don't want to put myself in situations where anything could

Starting point is 00:25:35 happen. Right. I start moving smart because I was just moving around like, I just move around like a little street kid, you know what I'm saying? Because I ain't no shit, just moving around with anybody, you know what I'm saying? Oh, we lit together. Yeah, we can get lit. But as you grow older, you understand, that ain't the way, you know what I'm saying? You got to stay on your, you got to focus on you so you get some money, you know what I'm saying? You ain't going to be getting no money with just having fun every day with everybody. You got to hone this on your You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:26:03 Yeah. People who really focus with you that's gonna help you achieve that. That's what you got forward. Especially as you become more and more of a target, more and more bad shit that could happen to you that wouldn't happen to a random person. Yeah, and I spoke a lot about that in my album. I was just touching up on basis about like, you got watch you call your friends and, you know what I say? Keep close.

Starting point is 00:26:22 Keep your eyes on, on your enemies, you know what I'm saying, and your friends. You got to key eyes on both on because you don't know, you got to stay yourself. Stacey yourself. Facts. Okay, so, because I went back through my research and I seen an extremely old version, Uno, the

Starting point is 00:26:44 activist, in that first Cardi video from way back, ooh, man, you had the flat-brimmed hat on. I don't know what the song is called. If you search Playboy Cardi first video, you're all in that video. I'm talking about the Cry video. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it was over that old currency Singapore or whatever, yeah.

Starting point is 00:27:00 Yeah, that shit was hard. That was ninth grade act. Ninth grade. That was ninth grade at. Wow. So if you think about that, like where were you at in your life? Or what memories does that bring back? I ain't going to lie.

Starting point is 00:27:15 And at that specific time, I was really running. I was really, really running in the streets. Like, really, like, breaking in the houses and shit. Across the, breaking in and careers across the neighborhood, the street and shit like that. Like, there's skipping school again. hot every day. Like I remember the first day in ninth grade like every grade I ain't smoked that month. Every grade summer I started smoking you know what I say on my birthday I never forget I just

Starting point is 00:27:41 watch my friends it was my birthday I walked so I was like hey man what the weed at man I try to smoke they look at me like you're trying to sweat you know what I'm saying boom so I started smoking my my birthday boom ninth grade came I'm smoking every day before I get on the bus facing them right I'm saying face a half a blunt of mid every day. So I faced the half a blend of me every day before school. Wow. I still do. Half a blunt of mid. That's my morning recipe.

Starting point is 00:28:11 I went to the school, the hell is like, you changed. Because you got that different vibe, different aura. Because my eyes red as a motherfucker. You look grown up. I don't know what it is, but there's something different about you. That's when you're the outcast. Whoever the first thing that starts smoking is always the outcast.

Starting point is 00:28:29 Until everybody starts smoking, they're the the coolest one. That's so real. You know what I'm saying? He's the real. He's the plug. You know what I'm saying? Everybody going here for the guy. Right. That's basically how I was. Like, just one of the first thing you're smoking. Outcast at first. And then, now everybody I'm a dick for smoking. You know what I'm saying? Shit like that. But that was ninth grade. How old were you when you first started to actually get some hype going as a musician? Like when you really started to come out to L.A. and be doing shit.

Starting point is 00:28:54 Like a year after I graduated high school. Okay. Like the following year after I graduated, I came to L.A. I'm glad. But no, when I was in high school, that's when I started buzzing, like, locally type shit. Like, everybody know my songs at the parties and shit. I had this song called, I doubt it. Like, it's shit going on.

Starting point is 00:29:13 I ain't gonna lie, play it right now. I still sound like, probably, I made it like two years ago. Right. That was my first song that just had every party. I'm walking down the street on Edgewood. I hear they playing it in the club. I tried to go in there. Like, yo, this is my song.

Starting point is 00:29:26 Right. But they're like, yeah, that's what they y'all said. But yeah, so then, like, the first thing. the following year I just started getting mobuz like just dropping on soundcloud and shit I don't know I really was just dropping on sound cloud that's really all I was doing just in the crib dropping on sound club right and that should just somebody just found that shit like on some you know surfing the web shit you know how motherfuckers used to be back in the day trying to find new talent and that's when I was getting like 400 500 views no I was getting like probably like 2,000

Starting point is 00:30:00 3,000 views on SoundCloud, though. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's a lot, though. Yeah. Well, as a kid, yeah. Yeah, as a kid. Excited.

Starting point is 00:30:08 Excited as hell. SoundCloud's probably brand new to you, too. But that's like, 2000, like the first week, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, really going up on some shit. So then, my boy, 40-ounce. I got tagging the hot new hip-hop shit. Oh, really?

Starting point is 00:30:24 40-ounce van. Yeah, 40-ounce van. I feel like 40-ounce shot. He did really, he the one who really kicked my career off. Like really he's the one who really got the buzz behind me that's crazy there's a bunch of people could say that about him yeah he was posting he was doing the playlist with i knew hip-hop and like he posted like he was posting my songs in that motherfucker you know what i'm saying and like motherfuckers just liking that shit like you know what i saying you start going up like i think i hit

Starting point is 00:30:50 my first million that year damn because of 40 on god shot to him that was that was like that was 2016 days You know what I'm saying? I graduated in 2014 and that was like 2015 summer 2016 you know what I'm saying? So like the following year after I graduated. There's a lot of pressure for somebody who's just getting that opportunity they don't really know anybody who necessarily knows the music industry you know what's fucked up because I ain't know nothing about none like at that time I didn't think nothing about them posing me you know what I'm saying? I knew hip-hop like I didn't think nothing about it like you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:31:29 Now I feel like I should went harder. You know what I saying? When I found out that, you know what I'm saying? All those blogs was posting me and everybody was fucking with me and shit. Because now it seems so much more obvious we see like a new rapper every month or every couple months who like gets a small underground thing. And all of a sudden they're huge. And like that was like a new concept of like, oh, I'm buzzing on SoundCloud so therefore I can just blow up from here. Yeah, like right now, I feel like I said earlier, I feel like I got the biggest hype right now.

Starting point is 00:31:59 than I ever had before, you know what I'm saying, as an artist. Even though it was a big hype back then, it really wasn't no hype, you know what I'm saying? Like, people talk about it now, like, yeah, it was a hype. Because they remember, like, you know what I'm saying? But they ain't really go hard as it for it back then. Like, they didn't appreciate it at the time. Right.

Starting point is 00:32:18 They appreciated overtime, you know what I'm saying? But like now, it's like, they kind of appreciate it immediately almost when I drop it. You know what I'm saying? I feel it. Yeah, because I mean, do you feel, because you waited a couple years after you originally started buzzing to sign. Yeah. I actually signed in 2017.

Starting point is 00:32:39 Oh, so it's 2017 a little earlier than that. I never really told nobody I signed. This is the first time I ever in the interview said I signed. Oh, really? To Republic. Yeah. Right. It's the first time I really just ever came out and said I was signed to somebody.

Starting point is 00:32:50 Did you always want to keep that under wraps? Did you want to be low-key about it because you felt like people would view it in a certain way? I mean, yeah, no. in the sense because it's like I signed to Republic but it's not like I was signed to them awesome yeah he's gonna be the focus you know what I'm saying type shit like he's the focus of the label type shit

Starting point is 00:33:09 you know what I'm saying I ain't signing no shit like that almost so it's just like we just kept in under law because it was still I was still almost independent in the sense with it you know I'm saying still gotta do my own get my own marketing buzz and shit and all that basically it's interesting essentially it's like a distribution deal

Starting point is 00:33:27 The fans think like Oh somebody signs That means that they're gonna get gigantic And the label is gonna make them gigantic So then like that really increases The pressure that the fans Are gonna put on me. See, motherfucker might sign for A whole bunch of money like millions

Starting point is 00:33:44 of dollars but they really owe all that shit. You know what I'm saying? The less you sign for is really the better because you can pay that shit right back And then now you're just freeing that motherfucker You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's time to negotiate You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:33:57 you got leverage type shit. They ever tried to get you to do anything that you thought was kind of goofy? Of course, but that's what every label is going to do. Right. You know what I said? But was it like a lot of pressure? Like I know some people were like the label really pushing them to do some weird-ass shit. No, not like and weird is what?

Starting point is 00:34:14 Like what's you talking about? I don't know. Like do a song with this weird ass person. No, no, no. Wear a dress in the video. I don't know. Wear a garbage bag in the video. I don't know.

Starting point is 00:34:22 See, that's when the motherfucker be signing for them big-ass budgets and like they got to do all that because like you sign them for this and you got to do whatever. fuck we want you to do i ain't do all that you know what i'm saying we got to calm calm to you know what i'm saying cool little booing we booed and we booed and that's it that's good what um when did fawning come into the picture and where what's the status of you guys relationship these days that's one thing that the fans really want answers on i really should put that on my album but it's like we so much of friends that we don't need you you don't even think about it like that like it's not necessary it ain't really that's it we don't get

Starting point is 00:34:56 man but it man That man just watching my crib one day, actually. Like, I was standing in this shit called Westmore, my loss. You know what I'm saying? Ruby Rose is actually standing there. She was staying on the floor atop of my shit. Oh, you dated Ruby Rose back in the day? Is that what you're trying to tell us?

Starting point is 00:35:12 Nah. Trying to get them real quick. Hey, but now, I want some real shit. Try out Ruby. Yeah. But that niggie really just walked, knocked on my door one day. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:35:31 That's how I met him. That's how I met a lot of people, though. It was like on some pretty proud shit. This is the trap house of sorts? People pulling up because you had something available? No. I honestly don't know why. I honestly really, you know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:35:49 Just energy. There's energy. Like, we used to be in a group chat with each other, you know what I'm saying? All of us, we had the fake TSI, but I don't even know what it was called at that time. We were just in a friend group chat. Uh-huh. You know what I'm saying? My homie put us in a friend, group chat.

Starting point is 00:36:06 The nigga FaceTime me one day. I think I was seeing on the bitch back like this. He was like, yo, I'm pulling up. You know what I'm saying? We already had been talking. It's like on some internet shit, but we were doing it through text, me. It's like back when they had a kid before, you know what I'm saying, all this shit. So it's like he pulled it up to my career.

Starting point is 00:36:25 First day he got the, we go out to a party. We go out to a party. The whole party. getting in the fight I didn't defuse the situation but the whole party trying to beat him you know what I saying whip his ass on some shit that man was just wild it since day one like the first week I was with him and we was getting fights every day with just random motherfuck it was lit though you know what I'm saying but you were young you didn't mind yeah you were up for the smoke though even when this whole party tried to kill him I was up for all the smoke but yeah that's how really first man that's crazy

Starting point is 00:37:00 So has your relationship gone through any ups and downs, or has it always been pretty cool? Yeah, that's still my boy to this day. Right. Shout out that thing. His album just dropped. Our album's dropped in the same month. My shit dropped July 10th, go check it out, 8, everywhere.

Starting point is 00:37:13 His album dropped on the 21st. Go check it out. It's everywhere, Clifford. Yeah, because, I mean, the fans, they love seeing you guys together. Yeah. That's a big deal to them. But in the sense, we was never really a group, though. Right.

Starting point is 00:37:28 That's what people always try to make it out to be. You know what I'm saying? And so us being friends, we just realized we didn't have to drop that much music and we see each other every day. You know what I'm saying? So we can kind of build our own careers up as individual artists. That's really what happened. So it's like people think we separate it, but we never separate it.

Starting point is 00:37:47 It's like shit. Because that's such a thing for kids to do is that they just come up with like a crew name or a little click or whatever. Yeah. But as you get older, you start to realize like, oh, my friendships are not always as set in stone. so I'm not going to make up a name for whatever it is our friendship is. You are going to stab yourself as an independent artist

Starting point is 00:38:04 because motherfucker's going to start paying y'all as a group. Then if y'all, motherfuckler's going to try to give y'all group deals. It's going to be like 6040 type shit, you know what I'm saying? Like, these going to be tripping on the cuts and the facts of the group and shit like that.

Starting point is 00:38:18 Like, now we are individual artists. We just fuck with each other tough. You know what I'm saying? Same with me and lucky. Like, we just fuck with each other tough. I feel like, you have. You, Fawney, and Lucky, all kind of fall into a similar category of, like, artists that sort of came- Because we hang out, so niggas put us in the category together, which is cool.

Starting point is 00:38:35 You know what I'm saying? We kind of made our own categories type of shit on some real shit. But you guys are, like, kind of early era, like, SoundCloud rappers, quote-unquote, but, like, still have massive respects from the fan basis and fan bases. But today, people still find those categories, though. Yeah. To this day. You know what I'm saying? So it's like we started some shit.

Starting point is 00:38:53 Right. I feel like you, Fawney and Lerner. lucky would be like the tour that would that people would really go crazy for? Or the project. We should do a tour like that. Once COVID's gone. Yeah. Because if we do a project, we ain't

Starting point is 00:39:09 going to get y'all as many songs as we want to do. But if we do three separate projects, that's hell of songs. So while we're on tour, y'all bumping and everybody's whole project, it's lit. You know what I'm saying? Definitely. Okay, so the fawning relationship has always been strong.

Starting point is 00:39:24 Were you, you were super tight with D. Savage for a period of time, and did that just not work out at a certain point? No, D. Savage is actually still my homie. Oh, you guys are still tight? Yeah, we just did some fun out. But, you know what I'm saying? He kept real, we kept it real. We had to, we had our discussion about it. Now we back to coolies and fuck again.

Starting point is 00:39:42 You know what I'm saying? Shout to D Savage. Well, that's good to know. Like, you know, that the things could be made right. Yeah. You got a thing, bro. Yeah, he can die tomorrow, bro. Mm.

Starting point is 00:39:51 He don't want to just die like that. You ever had that happen with somebody you got killed and then there was somebody that you were friends with but then you weren't on good terms with him at that time? No I know a guy who broke his back and we used to be cool and then now we're not cool. There's some niggas that we used to be cool if they died right now I want to give a damn though. Oh yeah that's facts. That's facts. I'm not going to be writing LOL on Twitter but I'm going to secretly be writing LOL in my head.

Starting point is 00:40:17 I ain't going to be writing LOL on Twitter. That's too much. Somebody might get sneaky. I see people get killed and then people are just clowning it right away. and I'm just like, oh my God. This is crazy. RIPDU-R-I-DUK-R-I-DUK. Crazy on that man when he died.

Starting point is 00:40:33 That shit, crazy. I mean, all you had to do is read Duck's comments to understand how deep that beef is and also how many fucking fans are just out here just watching playing along. They're talking about, I ain't even get into that, man. That conversation. Because it's like, right?

Starting point is 00:40:48 They might sew me. I might say some wrong word. They might sew me and that shit. But it's people I respect who are saying things that I cannot believe. And then I just realize, Oh, this is, that's the nature of where their conflict was at. Oh, God.

Starting point is 00:41:00 Bugged out. Bugged out, man. He's foe crazy. Yeah, I'm trying to stay far away from that energy. Yeah. Okay, so. I'm trying to stay out. See, I'm already, you know what I got to stay out of shit.

Starting point is 00:41:13 Mm-hmm. That's real. I'm going to read you this old tweet from you. This ain't no diss, but I would never sell soul for the fame. I would never change in my family over pussy. I would never friend my brother's enemy I would never talk down on a family so dudes don't fuck

Starting point is 00:41:31 with him before they meet all that devil worship feeding statues is out yeah would you do that would I do what? Would you hang with somebody like that? No exactly I don't think so that's what I'm saying

Starting point is 00:41:43 I'll never do it did that hurt almost worse to like what hurt worse getting shot or realizing that there were people that wouldn't necessarily necessarily have your back after an occasion like that.

Starting point is 00:41:59 But the thing is, it's our fall into the same situation. I really spoke on that shit on the album, on a couple of songs, like, What Time to Be Alive? I actually spoke on it, even on the Lid Shined Die album. You know what I'm saying? But at the end of the day, I appreciate it. It helped me make way better music and not can effimate. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:42:20 Because now I really got real, like, shit to talk about. that niggies that ain't band through shit you know what I'm saying can't talk about I don't have been through it so I can really talk about and that's why people feeling me right now you know what I'm saying it helped bring pain out the music

Starting point is 00:42:33 people love the pain in the music you know what I always wanted to I always wanted to get down I always wanted to experience that so I even had a girlfriend for a period of time just experienced what love felt like

Starting point is 00:42:45 you know what I'm saying and it actually got deeper than what I thought was going to be you know what I'm saying I really got into it just like I want to find love just so I can like, I don't heard Thug and Jericho, they're going crazy. Thud was going crazy in the middle. I was like, I gotta feel that.

Starting point is 00:43:00 You know what I'm saying? So I gotta fucking around, I got a girlfriend too, just to feel that, even with the heart breaking all that. Was that hard to open yourself up to a girl like that though? Not her though. Really not because I wanted to do it, so it wasn't hard, you know what I'm saying? Because it's something I wanted to do.

Starting point is 00:43:18 Right. It's like, it's different when you just accidentally do it, you know what I'm saying? It'd be hard. But no, I wanted to do that shit at the time. So I was all in it. Right, yeah. It's hard to, like, you know, once you have had so many fucking thoughts in your life,

Starting point is 00:43:31 it's hard to, like, open up to one once you've treated 100 of them like shit. Exactly. But I only had one girlfriend my whole life. Right. One serious relationship in my whole life. So, like, I ain't even really trying to do all that and break hell of a bitch's hearts and shit. No, we can all be free for the time being. Right.

Starting point is 00:43:48 Nobody's anybody's, bro. Could you see yourself getting into another relationship? At this point, though, or do you feel like your heart is open enough to it? Also, I feel like, am I really saying this? No, we can do. We talk about love out here. I feel like, I feel like if the shoddy got me my standards, though,

Starting point is 00:44:06 like, shoddy, oh, Shardy had met all the requirements I needed for, you know what I'm saying? It's like, you got to have your own job. You got to have your own career. You got to have your own car. Your own club. You got to have, you don't even got to have. had no, man, you know, I don't want you with no clap back. You can have to clap now for that, no clap.

Starting point is 00:44:27 Yeah. But if you got it, it's cool. Didn't Yam say that you can't be fucking with bitches that, more than 500 followers? Yeah. Was it 500? I forget what the line was that. It was probably got to be more now. Yeah, that's exactly what you said.

Starting point is 00:44:37 But that was like 2011, so. But yeah, I'd be on that. That's real. That's real. There's a lot. Okay, so I wanted to ask this question. When you did the Pissy Pamper remix, was that you trolling certain people? What was the thought process there?

Starting point is 00:44:53 Is that someone you'd even want to troll? Nah, bro. You know that beat was hard as fuck, bro. No, yeah, yeah. I just knew people were going to say something that hot on it. But I really just wanted to hop on it because the beat was so hard.

Starting point is 00:45:04 And I don't really care for I'm in it for the music, bro. Like, period. Other people did it. But they got all that shit removed for it. Oh, yeah. But it's cool because my shit ain't really get removed on YouTube.

Starting point is 00:45:17 I feel like I got the only remit's left. Yeah, I've seen it on YouTube and I was like, how did this stay up? I feel like everything else of this be got taken down at some point

Starting point is 00:45:23 but come clean up the shit hard as far that was hard yeah no you did justice for sure how do you feel about

Starting point is 00:45:34 fans leaking your music is that because that's something you've dealt with a bunch over the years yeah bro I'll be feeling like I want the only

Starting point is 00:45:41 niggas they get that shit I don't even know how niggas get that shit you really don't know I honestly do know niggas go to the extreme

Starting point is 00:45:47 nigs go to the extreme to like dark web to get into my accounts and shit shit like the fans that we got bro is like the smartest fans in the world like real hackers like if specific fans my crowd got bro the fans are crazy bro they hackers scammers they all everything like they get fresh as hell you know what I

Starting point is 00:46:11 saying get fresh as hell I'm listening to uno in the crib get fresh as hell don't go out just be in the crib fresh as fuck for no reason listen to that just listening to leaks fuck it I got to listen to more this shit boom hit me they might yo I ain't gonna lie the first time I should get hacked because yo somebody hacked no jumper yes Twitter account they hacked the Twitter and found your phone number or something no ask me for my phone number oh from the no jumper account asked you for your phone number yeah what but the thing is

Starting point is 00:46:42 there was always on a no jumper account but they didn't like they didn't really do much oh so they just had access for a while yeah they brother I was talking to the naked brother and they had access to hello man accounts never really posted on the But he might den somebody on the low real quick and then delete it. You know what I'm saying? Nick, delete me like, I mean, he did me like, what's your number? And I literally just had got your numbers like a week before. Right.

Starting point is 00:47:06 Because he just had the interview. So I'm like, maybe he lost the number. You know what I'm saying? Right. Boom. Soon as I sent the number logged out the Instagram. Wow. Instantly.

Starting point is 00:47:18 But look like I got my shit back. Right. Boom. Man. But they got, once they, bro, from the Instagram alone, bro, they got to my emails, they got to my Twitter account, they got to my SoundCloud, they got to my YouTube, bro, they just like, I don't know how to be able to just link all them shit together. They just be surfing through that, like, just hopping through all that

Starting point is 00:47:40 shit, you know what I'm saying? But it was, but that's how they got some music, but everything that get leaked, bro, I swear the guy would be old as fuck, shit, I never was going to drop. Really? So really just do me justice, because this songs I never was going to drop, and I'm surprised y'all like them, bitches. It's kind of cool because then the fans who are really, hardcore can see that shit on YouTube or whatever but then they like that if they go to streaming services they're gonna see the shit that you put out but it kind of fuck up the way you

Starting point is 00:48:05 want to be looked at by your fans because now all the music is gonna leak so it's like you know what saying they listen to odds foreign to you now even if you really just want to pull out this one for like you feel me Drake probably got a hell of songs this bullshit you know what I saying niggas was leaked them holes the motherfuckers probably think of Drake a whole different way now You know what I'm saying? But the fact that Drake shit never get leaked, and he only put out a certain type of music,

Starting point is 00:48:31 even though he made all these different type of music. You know what I'm saying? It helps his image. Like, he got certain image. You know, it would be like, you know, if you're a boxer, you have your official fights, and nobody knows that when you're training in private, you could be losing your matches in private.

Starting point is 00:48:49 Yeah. Those are the leaks. It's like what you're doing when you're training. In training, you can your ass whoop. Being he has, well, all day in training, but you don't realize their trainers really be the ones. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:49:00 I didn't see a trainer hop in the ring and not one of the bosses out. I don't see shit because his boss is just lost to the other boss. You know what I'm saying? Right. That's real. Did you ever end up talking to Yadi? Yeah. He actually followed me on Twitter.

Starting point is 00:49:18 We passed things up. You did? Me and Yadi never had beef, though. Because when you said we all here looking for both. Kind of like that. I love Yadi, but I kind of like the way that sounded. I'm not going to lie. Bro, but everybody knows the situation called for what it needed to be called for.

Starting point is 00:49:33 Oh, that's you riding out for your friend, right? Bro, Yadi is on his man album. So how could I beef with him? Right. I got beef with him for the name. I was only beefing with him because he was beef with my home. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:49:45 I was just on some real ninnu shit. Like anybody beef with Yadi home, he's going to beat for him. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. We're going to keep him in the music, though. You know what I'm saying? We gonna keep it like me. I keep everything in the music If you wanna say something to me say it in the music like you know what I'm saying? You're just some money off of the least you know what I'm saying? So it's like

Starting point is 00:50:05 Oh am I seeing him in the studio? I was like damn I'm proud of y'all next. You know what I'm saying? Well he's like yeah bro like fuck out that bullshit. We like yeah we patch things out right there and nothing That's cool when you saw him in the studio you didn't think like our boy I didn't see him I seen fun I seen the video of him and finally in the studio. Oh, okay. I haven't seen him in a couple years, actually. Oh, okay. I probably ain't seen Yaddy in like four years.

Starting point is 00:50:31 We gotta make that happen. Yeah. Well, yeah, Yaddy. You're looking for boat. He's out there, you know, corn dog somewhere. No, but we on the, we on to get money shit. That's facts. Do you regret doing the song with 6'9 or how the fuck did that happen in the first place?

Starting point is 00:50:49 I don't understand. I can't regret nothing, bro. I ain't gonna like. Bro, you know, like, the song is with Trippy Red. Yeah. Ansix 9. Yeah. That's how it happened.

Starting point is 00:50:58 Like, you already have the song with Trippy. No. And then he wanted to hop on or? Nah. Boom. Like, so my nigga Kane Grocers. Shout out Kane Grocers. Yeah, me the name, Sean, young Sean.

Starting point is 00:51:11 Shout out my boy, Can Grocer. Boom. He was like, yeah, bro. I'm with this new artist. He's a young nigga, bro. He's like 16. He's like 15, 16. I forget what he said.

Starting point is 00:51:21 Uh-huh. He says his name Trippie Red. you know what I'm saying and I look he already kind of new trippy but I didn't know him but I just met him in Atlanta for Cody Shane birthday he was with a little while but this is before they were just regular you know what I'm saying a lot of goats being discussed here man yeah I missed the little whop era yeah I was still a young nigga right boom they used to DM me and shit it's a crazy story I'm not going to get into that though it's a crazy story they used to DM me all the time shit but so he was like yeah I'm with trippy red and shit but so he was like yeah I'm with trippy red and shit

Starting point is 00:51:52 I was like, I like, Trippie, Ray. I ain't never heard one of his. I ain't never heard nothing. Send me a song. The niggas sent me love scars. Ooh. This is nobody heard love scars, niggins. I was playing shit every day.

Starting point is 00:52:05 You knew. You're like, everybody like, man, turn that shit out, man. What the fuck? Who is it? I'm like, y'all, tripping, bro. Listen to this shit. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:52:11 I'm just playing that. I'm playing a little trip. This man, you know what I'm saying? People don't even know who he is. Like, shout can't gross because he got me be one of early niggas on, you know what I'm saying? Shout trip. So then, boom, we linked up. We got a picture actually the first day we linked up. You know what I'm saying? It's still on the end of that. Okay, I think I know what you mean.

Starting point is 00:52:31 Boom. So we got in the studio that night. Muckuck fucking made, uh, made, uh, damn, what's the name of that song? What's the first name that everybody loved by me and Tripp, bro? I forget it. It's called, uh, man, it's gonna tell. Hey, look at that real quick, bro. What's name that bitch? Trippian or no. Deep discard. Boom.

Starting point is 00:52:57 We made that song the first day we ever linked up. Really? Yeah. That shit just, boom. That nigga dropped that shit. I ain't, bro. Honestly, bro, my verse ain't even mixed. You can't even hear my verse on it.

Starting point is 00:53:10 Like, my voice so low because the verse was unmixed. You know what I say, at the time, because the niggas was just, this before niggas had buzzards and all that shit. Right. You know what I'm saying? Versus so unmixed, that shit. I thought it was ass. It was ass. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:53:24 Honestly, but just because, not what I was saying, but just because how it was sounding like, they just couldn't even really hear what I was really saying. So people making that day on words. It's like, but yeah. Then we linked up again in New York. You know what I'm saying? I was in New York and he was out there.

Starting point is 00:53:41 He was like, man, pull up. He was with Little Walk and Six-N-N-N-N-N-A. You know what I'm saying? This is before all that, you know what I'm saying? Right. This is literally today. Then folk took that picture like that. Right.

Starting point is 00:53:54 The crazyest one with the camo pants. And it's like, if a nigga throws in. Yeah. He said, if these three niggas walk a boy, what's you going to do? Nicky said, throw a zan on the ground, watch a fight over. There was just a picture of them with the camo pants, all the shirts off, and it looked so crazy. I literally just missed that picture. That's so funny.

Starting point is 00:54:15 I was supposed to be in that picture. Yeah. But you probably didn't have camo pants on, so it might not look right. Camo pants on, man. I have some. I'm not a lot of pants on. man at a whole number nine fit okay oh so and they had played a one of the tributes the songs got leaked which is that song right to owee shit right so then

Starting point is 00:54:36 they nigg was on phone that six nine he was like and I was like man this shit hard I'm trying this man we should put on on that motherfucker too I was like hell yeah man I was with him on the phone it's like hell yeah that shit gonna say sit on hard his hell boom so Which cause now is six nine versus already on me we're talking about the man six nine that shit funny You're gonna six nine versus on the song and shit already so I just went to the studio i went to six nine studio meet trips It's now I think we still some shit on the internet while of us you know what I'm saying boom And I just made that shit I think I was on the tab too and I made it when I did the shit

Starting point is 00:55:16 So on did that shit real quick we shot the video the same night bro In Times Square? Not you just even in Times Square. Me and Six 9 shot, I seen... No, yeah, we was... Exactly, we was in Times Square. Right. We was on this little back street on Times Square,

Starting point is 00:55:32 like, boom, shot a little bit of that. This nigga... This nigga is six now. I was shooting the video. You know what I'm saying? He was filming it, right? He was actually filming the video. Like, he was the one with the camera

Starting point is 00:55:44 licking and shit, you know what I'm saying? And it's a couple of my homest, you know what I'm saying? It's crazy because I still forward the other two niggas to this day. Hey, I feel, I still fuck with them to this day. You know what I'm saying? But they were dead from day one. Like, I had met them with six-nine.

Starting point is 00:56:00 Right. You know what I'm saying? But it's like, there was their own collective. You know what I'm saying? They were just shooting his videos all the time. Right. But yeah, I still fucking them next to the day. But did you get removed from the song

Starting point is 00:56:09 and replaced with X at a certain point? Was that what happened? Bro, this is the fuck shit behind the whole thing. I mean, I'm glad they were getting this version just so that we can have the record. You know, I'm always happening. Oh, she's shit. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:56:20 I just want to know the details, you know? RP the dead black rest in peace yeah you know what I'm saying boom this nigga X dropped the video on his page we shot the video right oh oh oh X dropped the video the link and shit on his Instagram right you know what I'm saying boom went up you know I'm saying this and it's crazy because I always knew these I always knew these I always knew these little niggies before they blow up you know what I'm saying? Like way before they blow up you know what I'm saying I've been new X that's That's why he even folk with me.

Starting point is 00:56:53 That's why he even post video because he like, damn, I know two nicks on. You know what I'm saying? Being new ex, being new everybody, you know what I'm saying? But he posted the video. By the hour deleted it. Posting his remakes on SoundCloud. On his SoundCloud, though. Right.

Starting point is 00:57:14 You know what I'm saying? You know what I like the song so much? He's like, you know what? I like it so much. I'm going to just do my own version. Exactly. And then, boom, they had that version. That's a good strike.

Starting point is 00:57:27 Jaycee just redrop the song Me X, Trip. Mm. That shit go out good at right now. But that song's not going to be on streaming services in general, right? That's a YouTube exclusive. YouTube exclusive. Yeah. That's a streaming service.

Starting point is 00:57:40 Crazy. YouTube is a streaming service. Right, yeah. But not as difficult to get some scammer shit up as it is on Spotify and stuff. Right. No scammer shit, man. Our authentic view. Right.

Starting point is 00:57:52 Yeah, that's a good story. They fucking the gay with these fake-ass views, bro. It's really fucked up right now. It's really so cheating right now, it's like, everybody got cheap. Yeah. But I really don't give a fuck about this shit. I'm on my currency shit. You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 00:58:08 My own wave, fans are going to love me regardless. I'm getting rich out of my fan. Right. You know what I'm saying? I ain't trying to be the biggest artist in the world. You know what I'm saying? That was never my goal, actually. Right.

Starting point is 00:58:19 I just want to make music and just capitalize off the music. You just got to really believe that when you make that fucking hit that your fans will help make it that. And that's what it's all about what the fans keep talking about. And my fans, everyone he keeps talking about, man, I swear this man don't get the recognition he deserved.

Starting point is 00:58:37 It's up to y'all to help me get that recognition. Y'all was supposed to be spraying the word. Y'all was supposed to be, you know what I'm saying? Proving niggas wrong. Y'all supposed to be showing niggas facts. Y'all supposed to blow me up, man. From this way forward, bro, no more of that, we're just going to go up together.

Starting point is 00:58:52 Shine fan base. We're going to shine forever. You know what I'm saying? There is. So what's up with your brother, MDMA? He's the future. He's still making music and you still working with him? He's the future.

Starting point is 00:59:05 He's a secret weapon right now. He's a, hey, go follow him right now. But for some reason, Instagram keeps taking his Instagram down. Oh, really? Like, this man that had Instagram with 20K off the fans. He did he take it down. Boom, had another one. Did he hit 10K, boom, took it down.

Starting point is 00:59:21 He was his third one already in like two, three months. But yeah, go follow him right now, MDM. Molly and DMA on Instagram. Was he nice before you started working with him? Or did you just like hear his music one day and be like saying he's good? I'm gonna tell you how gold at this man is, bro. His first studio, he ever been in. I moved him out of here like when he was like 19.

Starting point is 00:59:45 He's like 22 right now. I feel like. I don't know. I think he's 22. But I moved him out here when he was 19. Boom. He ain't never been in no studio. I put him in his first studio session.

Starting point is 00:59:59 The nigga made a hit. Never been in no studio ever. But I knew he's going to be so far because, like, he always used to write music. Like, my little brother used to have shoe boxes filled music. You know what I'm saying? Going crazy. And I was like, fucking, I'm bringing him out here. Like, he can't be in the trap no more.

Starting point is 01:00:15 Like, he got down working nine and fire, all that bullshit. Hell no. Come out here to L.A. I'm going to bring you out here. You know what I'm saying? You old enough, I'm just going to bring you out here. You're going to do it to do it. You got it.

Starting point is 01:00:27 You gotta figure you gotta go through your own trials and tribulations at the work. I'm gonna put you on the right area. Boom, put him in the studio. That man had been going crazy everything. But, you know, he's still unsigned. So he got the biggest chance to blow up quick. You know, people love the new artists. That's good, though.

Starting point is 01:00:42 He's still working? He ain't go crazy out here? Like, fucking fall into any of the temptations that you get in L.A. As a 19-year-old? Pretty sure. I'm pretty sure he felt this on. I mean, like, we all did. Right.

Starting point is 01:00:54 That's how you learn shit. I want him to. But how hands-on are you? Are you, like, really trying to make sure that he don't fuck his life up, or are you going to let him make his own mistakes? Oh, yeah. I mean, I let him make his own mistakes, but I make sure that he don't fuck his life up at the same time.

Starting point is 01:01:08 You know what I'm saying? Because you got to make your own mistakes. He just wanted to make. He's got to learn from mistakes. That's how he do his shit, so he wanted to know how I hear that. I'm sure there was people trying to tell you what mistakes not to make when you were 16, 17, whatever, and you still got to get fucked up and do all this crazy shit

Starting point is 01:01:25 just to figure it out for yourself, right? don't trust these bottles of water. Why not? They're unopened. We just rip the labels off. I'd have the labels off. Because we don't want to give arrowhead any free clout. Y'all got Molly in that, shit.

Starting point is 01:01:36 I'm not going to. Yeah, we don't get these fucking free clout. That'd be a weird prank. Who know? Turns out. No, because you couldn't do a one-hour podcast like that because you're going to have to do like another three hours of geeking out. First 15 minute.

Starting point is 01:01:50 That Molly Water kick in fast. That's real. We should do a Molly Water podcast sometime. The Molly Water Challenge. Prank. You ask you should do that. I'm down. Molly water prank.

Starting point is 01:02:02 Yeah. It's on that water. By the way, it's Molly. No, but there's these comedians I know, and one of them, like, drugged the other one, like, when he didn't know it. Like, he put Molly in his drink. And people were really upset about it because he was with his wife and kids, I think. And then all of a sudden he's just off mad ecstasy, and he's just got to deal with it.

Starting point is 01:02:20 I ain't going to let that. He's like a 40-year-old dude, too. It was not like he's some spring chicken. He didn't that goddamn Bill Cosby in the game. You know what I said? I for a little Ross, but he ain't ain't even know it. Buddy put it mighty out here, just champagne. He ain't even know it.

Starting point is 01:02:34 That was a crazy bar. But that was like one of the first times we really heard a motherfucker getting called out. Ever. Nicky like, hold on, they can start the song real quick. Like, nigga, what? We were kind of used to rappers be able to say whatever they wanted up until that. Up until that point because it was like, that's when women start first going really, really hard with the feminists.

Starting point is 01:02:55 Yeah. Like just, I mean, they've been going really hard. hard, but it's like the new age, feminine at the time. They're like, hold on, bro. The world was at a pause for that moment. Rick Ross is going to drug me? That was a world pause.

Starting point is 01:03:07 Like, he'd been doing that. What you mean? You been, write this song? Oh, you record this a minute ago. He just thinks he's rapping, just having fun with words. He didn't even know it. I don't think he meant to say that shit, though. I don't think he thought that people were going to take it that way.

Starting point is 01:03:20 I think he meant to say she put mine in his champagne, he ain't even up. Yeah, but he would just Rick Ross song. Maybe like Rick Ross's lifestyle that he just can't even imagine that somebody wouldn't want to do Molly. I feel like he still do Molly. Man. I'm telling you, I'm 36. I cannot imagine what a Molly would be like that.

Starting point is 01:03:39 Rick Ross went from bar head, from bar head to hair. To, I don't need that. I know it's not too pay. So I know he on some type of Molly. I want to see Rick Ross get to like Gucci Main's ab status. I don't know how Gucci Main did that. I don't believe that shit. I got some theories.

Starting point is 01:03:56 What's your theory? I just think at some point. he had to have some kind of surgery to clip up his fucking waist because that shit his skin is strapped to his fuck the the the kitchen di yore remove the thing that squeezes it all in is that too yeah he was wearing that actually yeah yeah yeah i've seen him talk about that i think no he was wearing that shit i don't think that's good for you i don't think you're supposed to that's probably how Gucci got that shit man shot a big Gucci man but he must be working his ass off we're just talking theories but we don't know how he got so buff we just trying to figure it out bro it's just surprising you know you never seen

Starting point is 01:04:25 bro i mean niggas really wanted to get the Gucci belly i wanted to get the Gucci belly I wanted to get the Gucci belly. I actually had the baby Gucci belly. Well, if you were a real drink head, that's like a badge of honor. Oh, God. Badger honor. When I came here, the first time, I had the Gucci Bellet. You were working on it. You're like, check it out. Yeah, well, I was, what, 20 years old with a Gucci Bellet, Ben sitting there, being sitting there drank, no cap, been sitting there. I remember I was like, I had posted this picture, but I had like 20 tech bottles. It's all on me. It's still probably on the end of somewhere. I missed them days, man.

Starting point is 01:04:54 It's just done changed. I missed them red and, uh, and, uh, uh, cream. so the day, but. $200 a line now? You paid that yet? For red? Not for red, but I hear a lot of $200 of line stories. I pay that.

Starting point is 01:05:07 You would? I did. Did it hurt? It didn't. Oh. It didn't, bro. I ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna talk about this.

Starting point is 01:05:17 We're gonna talk about out of the camera. But you just love the drink so much that you didn't mind spending $200 on? I did some real fin and shit in one time, but like, I'm not a finer. Okay. But it was one of them days. Brian said this in like a year Where is that? You know what I'm saying?

Starting point is 01:05:35 Yeah One of them anniversary annual I gotta I gotta fix the itch Mm That's real But I do miss them days But you can't even find red

Starting point is 01:05:45 No more so Yeah Game's gonna change man Real service Real service note If you keep your red bottles If you still got your red bottles You might find some red crystals

Starting point is 01:05:59 in the motherfucker. Real tip is no. You know about the joint crystals. High tech diamonds. So basically... It's really high tech diamonds, for real. If you got some red, who knows, DMs are open?

Starting point is 01:06:13 Oh, God. I ain't paying... But look, though, I ain't paying more than $200. Right. Hey, red going for like $4,500 a line. Mm. If you got it. Jesus.

Starting point is 01:06:22 I remember Ben Baller, like, posting about how he was addicted to lean back in the day and how he was paying $200 a pint. So now $200 a line. It sounds kind of crazy, right? 200 a pint, bro. I ain't never experienced them days.

Starting point is 01:06:34 I think you were, you were probably like 11. Ben Baller was sipping drink in the, I was in a pretty historic age. But I was definitely sitting in fake drink at 14. Mm. Just coding pills, bromaphosine pills, and two or solid with jolly ranchers at the bottom. I was a young drug kid, bro.

Starting point is 01:06:51 I was getting arrested. I was doing a whole bunch of ill arrest shit. Right. Yeah. We did now, babe. It happens. It happens. I don't learn how to get frustrated.

Starting point is 01:06:59 rest on the bed now it late yeah you got the Dennis Robben shirt under there yeah the Dennis Rob man he don't get the credit he deserves he don't because you know we in it we in the we in the day where that shit's cool now but but he fathered the way a lot of SoundCloud rappers ended up looking yeah not me though seen seen with the green hair and the tats and shit and you're like man this guy looks like all kinds of different SoundCloud rappers I've seen but he don't look like no SoundCloud Robber he just looked like exotic he was just doing it before yeah he was just doing it first he's doing modern day shit that

Starting point is 01:07:29 back then that shit looked crazy fucking on Carmen Elektra? Bro, bro watching the goddamn Last dance last dance That's what took me back I'm on the show with the toes out Oprah with the toes out fresh hair On God Toes out, ugly his hair

Starting point is 01:07:45 He don't give it damn That's how you got live bro, he just ain't give fuck And that's why he made it so far That interview I did with him We had to book it three different times Because he kept getting fucking loaded in the morning That's a guy, he likes a drink or two Right now that man look crazy at him

Starting point is 01:07:59 He looked like he got his lips done. How the fuck he oversees with Kim Jong? I know. And then he got too drunk. If you watched that documentary, you got too drunk to meet up with Kim Jones. How you do that, though? In North Korea.

Starting point is 01:08:10 How you do that, though? They don't fuck with nobody. But they fuck with you. And you went all the way out there, and then he couldn't even meet with you because you were too loaded. Right. He's trying to get loaded, too. We all know what we're going on.

Starting point is 01:08:21 It's crazy. Let me not say that. He might send a bomb. No jump. Just for me saying that shit. He knows what it is. He knows he got a shit with the drinking. Dennis Rodman must just really love it.

Starting point is 01:08:30 I'm talking about Dennis Robin. Oh. Oh, Kim Jong-un, yeah, yeah, yeah. He'll definitely drop a bomb here. No, we thought we can't. We got a Korean employee, so he ain't going to leave us alone. Is he South Korean? No, she's North Korean.

Starting point is 01:08:41 No, my buddy over there said he's South. She's South Korean. He don't give it down. He probably is, yeah. Yeah, that is a good point. I mean, if she's over here, she's South Korean. Yeah, she escaped. Escape the camps.

Starting point is 01:08:52 Shot of North Korea. We don't come in harm. I really heard they just blew up the shit where they'd be making peace at South Korea and North Korea. Right. But then they said it was an accident. I didn't follow up on them. There's too much fucked-up shit going on in the world. Man, they say everything is an accident, man. Nika hasn't really killed this stuff in jail. Yeah. How do he do that?

Starting point is 01:09:09 You don't believe that? Suicited. Suicide. What going on, man? Hey, I got my theories. Hey, man, if you know, you know. We're going to find out, though, because we're going to see his old girl on the stand. We're going to find out what she's going to say. What happened to wine stand? I thought he was spilling the beans. Epstein?

Starting point is 01:09:28 No, Weinstein. Oh, Harvey Weinstein? Yeah, I thought he was spilling the beans. That's a good point too. Did he get suicide? I hear he had COVID-19. No, but isn't he like sitting in there for like, he's in there for mad years? That man said he's gonna spill the beans.

Starting point is 01:09:41 I'm ready. I want to know what the fuck he's got to say. I want to know what they all got to say. I spill the beans. I spelled the beans too much on this album. Yeah, that's facts. It's all about the album. Hey, yo, whatever y'all want to know about me, though,

Starting point is 01:09:55 I swear to you gotta put it all in the album. Like, I really just made sure that I made sure that. everything that I could talk about that I feel like people wanted to hear but kept a subliminal though because you know that's what I did I like that though that you you obviously know that there's shit that people want to hear from you about I never edited a nigga on Instagram or Twitter mm I just want people to know that so it could I could be talking about anybody you posted DMs though I did that was that situation right I could be talking about somebody

Starting point is 01:10:25 It's good though like all the greats. I feel like find ways to take the shit that the people want to know about and put it into the music I love it I'm here for it all. I'm here for at all I'm here for at all I'm still holding it down Yeah, I'm just gonna go by the act from now on might just change my name from one know the act is just the act Start just singing R&B shit It's the act yeah I fuck with that The real act though not academic You're trying to get me caught up

Starting point is 01:10:55 Shout out academics, goddamn. Oh, yeah. Shout out Uno. No jubber. Google's podcast in the world. Go get that album. Download and get it teddy on you all that. YouTube, SoundCloud, iTunes, Spotify,

Starting point is 01:11:15 like, comment, subscribe. And go fuck with my man's project. Yeah. We love it. There it is. Important historical document. Shout out to all the hives, all the internet nerds. We need y'all to dissect.

Starting point is 01:11:27 this whole thing. Tell us what we talked about. We already talked about it, but now y'all got to talk about what we talked about. Where's time to be alive, though? If you want to know something, listen to that song. If you feel like you want to know something, what a time to be alive? No cap. If you feel like you want to know something about my ex, devil on your right shoulder. Yeah, there it is. Uno, appreciate it, man. Game. Gang.

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