No Jumper - The Untold Story of Zack TV | His Brother CGB Mike Speaks for the First Time

Episode Date: July 27, 2026

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No Jumber. Coolest podcast in the world. I'm in here with a man Remo today. And we're bringing you all a very important conversation, which is with Mike, also known as Zach TV's little brother, who can provide what I assume is like a crazy perspective on one of the most important YouTube content creators of this whole era and drill culture in particular. No, fast.

I feel like, ain't nobody like that close talk about bro for real. I feel, I'm, bro. Like, everybody that spoke on, like, outside. That's real. Well, people that just been around for a little bit. People knew them from the industry and shit. Yeah, yeah.

Okay. And this is blood cousin, too. Yeah, we know. It should get deep, you know? Yeah, get real deep. We got shit that ain't, they don't know about. And what's your name? Jay.

So, CBG Mike and CBJ. CB. Yeah. Can't go broke. Can't go broke. Yeah. Some shit we came up. like middle school and shit right and what's the age gap between uh you and zz both would be like

damn he'd be like 38 right right so 15 year age difference yeah he the oldest on the youngest okay yeah and and what area did y'all grow up in 150 state it's like in the wild hunt is but he's from eagle wood and we just grew up over there right so by the time you're like like five, he's already like 20. So he's kind of a grown up by the time you're even starting to remember shit, basically. Yeah, but we had a real deal experience, though, like seeing certain shit, you know, growing up in Chicago,

something shit. He down the radio. You know, on God, bro. So certain shit, we're seeing him coming in and out, camera and shit, like, you know, we outside and shit. He outside on the block with his camera, I was doing certain shit, like, we didn't even know what was going on, but we're seeing, we're seeing this shit, we were watching.

We couldn't have processed that shit. You know? But so, okay, you're like a little kid looking at him as a young adult and like, what's your perspective of him? Or like, what kind of dude was he? He's a funny guy. He's funny as fuck. Funny guy. He got a heart too.

But he also, he got that father figure. He ain't had no kids, though, but he had a father figure, like strict on everything, make sure business straight, like, always making sure we, you know. Stand up, new. Keep my head straight and all that shit. Yeah, you stand up too. Okay. And did he always have a camera, or when did that become part of his whole? My OG bought him a camera just randomly on some, I think, around the birthday of some shit.

But she just bought it just like, you know, he just asked for a camera. She just ain't think none about it. She bought that shit. He just took that shit far. So how old were y'all when Zach was going out doing like the first early interviews? How old would y'all say y'all were? I was down to like five, six. Like five, six.

Yeah, around now. He's going around like, we had to. shit called, like on Fourth of July and shit. It was like he used to go around with corn and shit. Like, he was going around with a random motherfuckers. He was a funny nigga, like recording their ass. Joking, cracking jokes on their ass, you know, talking shit. I know it's still up on his channel to this day.

You can go back and watch that type of shit. Like, you know, he had dread doing his hair and shit to Tories, like, untwitting his dread and shit. He'd been doing this shit. Like, wow. Like, yeah. Yeah, so when he first originally got the camera, it wasn't in a way for him to profit off of making content.

for like himself. It was really just vlogging. Hell, no. He was in college and shit. Just doing dumb shit. Just lifestyle. Yeah. Yeah.

People started catching off. Every time. So he wasn't intentionally trying to do music at one point, or was he doing music? Like when he first started? Yeah, he was doing music. But I don't think he was never taking music seriously. You know, he was cold with that shit. But he wasn't taking that.

There's some shit he's chasing, you know? Yeah. But yeah, he was doing music here and that type shit. It was one of those. So from your perspective, with y'all being younger, what was the first, uh, Zach T. interview that kind of like started buzzing where y'all started paying attention where this is 70 second of green or a dog pound and shit oh shit like that

he's with you know Luddug and shit yeah um the Sosa interview um that was around Sosa was getting buzzing so he was first nigga to pick that shit up so that shit was crazy the first one at the at Chi Kew's grandma's right yeah yeah um bro i remember that shit that shit that's one was like okay we see he's got going on but you know yeah he family so it's like That shit was like, like, damn we see it. But it's like, as he started bubbling more, that shit started to get more crazy and more, like, crazy. Like, yeah, I didn't really, I ain't really feel his, like, famousness until he, like, past Bangalah. Like, I'll start real out, like, damn, everybody knows, bro.

Like, everybody can say some shit. Like, on bro, we was at the gas station. You know, he had me with him. Young-ass niggas, niggas, you know? He'd get out to calm mufflers, like, Zach, Zach, Zach. But we know it near the hood on bro. I'm like, what the fuck? How do you know him?

That's what I'm starting to catch on. Like, okay, he got some shit going. He's pulling up different cars and shit. I'm like, okay. He started to make some shit. Like, you know, he started to become somebody. I'm like, okay. That's why I started to pay attention to his YouTube.

So at the time when he did that Cheekief interview, that was super like early on. I think that's one of Tiki first ever interviews. How big was Shekeef in Chicago at that time to y'all? Like, did you know who he was? Yeah, yeah. I think he caught him right after he made the... Yeah, we started buzzing, so start buzzed on.

He doesn't like some shit, something around there. Yeah. Before the Kyya, the regular one, right? Just with him and Reese. Yeah, yeah. All right, so just the original. Hell yeah, I remember we rode past Sosa on Grandma's house. This one, this one's soldier boy trying to pick his ass up or some shit like that.

Yeah. That bitch was crowded like him. That's the one... I caught on like, damn, Sosa turned the rack up, foo. Like, now we can possibly, you know, like, we got a chance in this shit for real. That's why I took it as on, bro. It was like, I saw that shit firsthand. He was really the hope, like, in the hood for sure.

Yeah, I know, I know, I'm sure. So it's really, you know, made the young things feel like, okay, we can do some with this shit for, bro. How much was Zach, like, in the streets versus just being somebody who was kind of staying away from that shit? He was one of those who, like, he had friends that was really in that, but he was, like, trying to keep itself out of that shit. For real. Yeah, he won't push that narrative. He let it be known, too. So, like, that's how he got his respect from everybody.

Do you think he was like concerned or conscious of the fact that doing all this content with dudes who are in the gang lifestyle could be dangerous? No, 100%. Like, he used to tell, he used to call my OG and shit at night. Like, my perspective was like being on my OG cribs and I'm calling shit. Like, he used to be like, I'm here, you know, making sure everybody, you know, everybody know what he's at, what he's doing this shit at all times. And his mind, he was like, he was cautious.

that shit could happen. But he was also like, I gotta make this work. He wanna, you know, help the hood. That was his goal. Hell yeah, he wants to see everybody win. That's what it was with him. I'm bro.

You know, see everybody win. That's the type of shit he was on. What was your household like growing up? That shit was packed. That she was trenchers. I ain't gonna lie. When you say packed, how many people living in the career?

My mom had eight kids. Same mom and dad? Nah. But like, we all. All living in the same crib, though. Nobody with our daddy and shit for real. And Zach living with y'all? Yeah.

All in the hundreds? Yeah, yeah. All in the hundreds? Yeah, yeah. But it was a decent crib and shit. It was just trenchless. I ain't gonna lie. Oh, bro.

Shit, I moved over that. After we know how that shit go. Let's get kicked out. Boom. Got to move in. We're over there now. Shit like that. Sometimes we're all in the same crib.

Literally. Yeah. Me. All the type of shit. Lights might be out. You never know. Oh, bro. Shit like that.

What shit, though? So at the time, Zach was kind of like being a provider since him being one of the older people in your household. Yeah. Him out here actually, you know, have a success early on with YouTube. Did that like transcend early back to the household? Like was he able to do stuff for y'all? No, definitely when he started, it was like around 2016. We was able to like really make moves for us and help us and shit.

I ain't go out. And it was, that shit was good. I ain't go out. It was a lesson. Well, bro, he was really the, you know, I hope on that shit, you know? Yeah. He was the one with that shit. You're making shit right.

Trying to get shit right. Did he have any, like, close calls early on in terms of, like, things that maybe sort of went left when he was out filming in people's hoods and everything? Did he ever run into any situations? Yeah, a couple of shit like that. Shit like O-block and shit, you can go back when they was all out there and shit like that. Motherfugers trying to see, you know, what's to that interview in the ops type shit? You know, you had to put a camera down, certain shit. Like, you know, tell you.

They kind of pressed him. about why he was doing content with people they're not really impressed but you know how they know how that shit come across I think it was uh boss talk it was yeah that's that's boss top yeah that's not better put the camera down you know let him know like it's not you know it ain't no tough shit but it's like hey we ain't known that type of time it though but you know you you had to let them know like it ain't that though bro now uh going back in hindsight do y'all feel like it was risky because he was one of the first people to actually go to hood to hood he'll go interview one block and then go interview the

ops literally the same day or next day. If you all see it from that perspective, imagine like family-wise, you know, like, it could have been any day. Like, you know. Shit, even going to his own hood, like, you know, you know how that shit, that shit gets risky? That's the rack, foe. Yeah.

That shit get crazy. We're like, bro. So where any guy, any of y'all, like, warning him, I know y'all are younger, but like, anybody else in your family was, like, warning him, like, you might be doing so much with going to different hoods and like. Bro, all his brothers and shit, cuz. mom OG the most

She was the worst Yeah for sure So how evolved words her mom Like how tapped in was she Like did she know what was going on In the streets of Chicago Like Did she know that he was at risk

You've been doing this type of job Yeah yeah She used to just pray of him At night and shit I used to come in the room She'd see her praying and shit Or she would just be on the phone For a while you know

Before you do something Do another interview or some shit Make sure you get it I don't know That's all it really was At a certain point Was he seeing a lot of money off of YouTube? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Was he, like, bawling out a little bit or not really? That was around, like around 2015, 2016. Yeah, that's when you know. I'm, bro, he started sitting my mama to thousands and shit. His mama, you know, he started with he was able to, hey, hell. Like, he was coming out, taking me shopping and shit. I'm going to be crazy.

Yeah. I was like, I see it. That's when I started knowing, like, okay, pulling up different cars and shit like that. You know, buying different careers. I'm like, I. Brody touching some shit on bro. What's your best memory I have of being around him? His ass being funny.

It was always some funny shit. I ain't go a lot. His ass, funny as hell, like real fun. I know y'all see that shit in the interview. See the funniest hell? He's as funny as hell. He's as a bitch. But in person, he funny as hell, like literally funny as hell.

I'm bro. Like that nigga comedian. Bro. Oh, bro. So can you give us some more information even though it was a touchy subject? Can you like the day that he died, he was at a club? Can y'all break down more so what? Because it was a lot of, I guess, allegations

or what happened and stuff. A lot of people thought it had something to do with the Kanika Jenkins case. I'm gonna let that be known. It was nothing about the, I'm fault. It was nothing about the interview. I mean, the Kanika Jenkins shit. That shit was.

Oh, yeah, that's one allegation. Why do y'all think people assume his death had something to do with that in the first place? Where was all that even coming from? Because, you know, when the Nika-Jingin shit happened, bro was the first one to, like, pick up the case, and he wanted to show everybody the truth to that shit. Yeah.

Like, nobody, they was handing that shit, even the mother, you know? Yeah. So, like, he was the one to step out of it, you know, his comforts around, his, all that shit, to go do that shit. Yeah, he went deep into that shit, though. On bro, he did, on bro, but his death really didn't have nothing to do with that shit, for real. We see that shit everywhere on bro. I just one thing I really wanted us to touch on, for real.

He was just getting behind the scenes of that shit for what's really going on. A conspiracy shit, y'all cut that shit out for real. Yeah, but that case was that big in Chicago that people thought like the government or something wanted to get him out the paint or people, like, politicians because he was like shutting light to some crazy stuff that could have happened to this black girl at a hotel and shoes. Yeah, the thing is, though, he was getting calls though. He was getting threats.

Like, so. Like, what type of cause? It was one video that he got a call some shit. They like, stay out of that shit, this and that. And he got a text before somebody's saying, you know, like, don't continue to, you know, like stop that shit. Yeah. So I can see why they're saying this shit. Yeah.

But that's not why he died. You think at the time he was scared to keep pursuing it? Because I feel like he still kept like doing interviews about it and like he wasn't really like getting straight away. That shit got real. I ain't gonna lie on. But he was too deep in. So he's like, yeah. You know, he can't turn him back.

He just did more research. I remember he called his mom, my mom and my old-a-ass, aunties and shit. Like, you know, he used to call his ass and let him know, you know, a lot of message type shit. Um, bro, he was telling me as like, this shit getting scary on some shit. Like, my father's calling, unknown numbers

and shit like that on bro. So it was getting, you know, he was just telling him, like, you know, pray of him, shit, you know, little shit. You know, motherfogers, you don't, took it ass, did what he said, you know? And, you know, how that shit, I. All right, but to clear that up, y'all.

y'all saying his shit had nothing to do with canika jenkins for sure no at all at all can y'all can y'all break down the day that uh so what was he was actually going on that day that he actually passed away he went to a club yeah he was at a club with his artist he had two artists he came i think he was coming from Vegas and some shit yeah he just had he came in town yeah so he took the head downtown the shit so was a club downtown It was like a little show type shit. Yeah. He tried to get them to perform and shit, put them on.

And it was some niggas in the crowd who ain't like the artists and shit. Yeah. And they were trying to get on stage while they were performing and shit. He's like, no, he calmed it down while they was in the club. So I guess they took that shit as like disrespect a little bit. You know, they still ain't with it. Yeah. After the shit, fault his artist and shit, drunk as hell.

He's telling him like, get in a car. He's telling them get in the car and shit. They still coming out the club. Trunk as Hill, I guess people watching the shit, you know? Yeah. The option shit, they watch and they wait until you pull off. Muffol is telling what car they in. They follow that car.

And not too long later that, you know, that shit happened. And the artists were these people that, like, from y'allhood? Like, they're from the hundreds. These people y'all know or anything? Yeah, they're around a hundred for sure. So he was trying to put on people from y'all block, pretty much. Yeah, that's what it was. He was trying to put people on.

I don't think, was they exactly from the hundreds? No, they're from the hundreds, though. They're from down, down the way. So it was on some shit like that. That's what it was, bro. So would you say it was a case where these dudes who shot up that car that they wanted, that they were happy to kill Zach? Or was it a thing where, like, he was just collateral damage

because they really just wanted the other guys? Type shit. The other people, you know, they were the target, but I feel like they didn't give a fuck, bro, bro, bro. You know? Right. They still, like, fuck you two. shit. Right. So it's like, yeah. I want some shit like you with them. Like you

with them type shit. You know, that's how that shit go sometimes. But when that's, you know how that shit go. It's like they ain't, you know, that shit, you know, that's different. I ain't gonna lie. Oh, bro. Did you boy, y'all familiar with the artists at the time? Like, did y'all? Like, was he telling y'all, yo, these are my artists? Yeah. That's why I'm pushing. Yeah. Like, the people he's been, he knew for years. Yeah, he tried to push them. That's what it was. You try to push these artists. Oh, bro. That's why even more like that, like, trying to protect them, tell him come on, shit. So more so his homies slash just people he trying to do business with.

Yeah. He had a heart for him. You see what you're trying to do. Try to put him in position. So yeah. That's what it was. He was trying to push down. He was doing all that shit out of love.

And that shit came in between that type of shit. And they're not from the hundred. Y'all know where they were from? Like what part of Chicago was his art? Because one of the artists is fresh, right? AME, fresh or? Fresh and T streets, right? Yeah.

All right. And then supposedly, so what I heard and what I seen, I guess, some dudes try to approach Zach and like, yo, we're not gonna let Fresh perform. And he, and Zach ended up, like, overriding it and letting him perform still. Then he went out to the car and was like, yo, he was kind of basically trying to tell, bro,

like, the niggas in there ain't fucking with you, like, shit, we need to get on down. But I guess Fresh was the one that was like overly drunk. Yeah, folks, so you weren't really hearing that shit, you know? He bought your hair, bro, but he wasn't hearing, bro. But we're fresh from, like what? Like, what, like. I think they're from around Eaglewood or some shit.

Eaglewood, all right, for sure. And then the other guy was T Street. Yeah. And he, him and Fresh, locked in or whatever. Yeah. But not the T Street's from King Vaughn. Nah, not that. No.

A whole different guy. Got it. Well, all right. So I guess the video went viral. Someone filmed it from like an apartment or whatever. From the top. From the top. Yeah.

Kind of see what happened. A lot of people thought that it was some backdoor shit because everyone drove off and left for them in the car, all that type of stuff. I guess now in high science y'all kind of know what happened and stuff but when it first dropped was y'all looking at like damn what the fuck because people were kind of mad at fresh and street

for just leaving Zach in the car yeah I ain't go lie the way that bit the way it just blew up and how that shit happened it looked like I ain't go lie like

it looked like some it looked like some backdoor shit at the time they getting out the car switching cars and shit that shit looked all walking and shit from you know

when I saw that shit I don't like to fuck bro but do you think that? Do you actually think it was a backdoor situation? Thinking about it now, I feel like he was just on some something, like he was just in it, you know, he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time type of shit. Right.

I don't think there's no backdoor shit. Yeah, I ain't go away. Because I mean, now when you see like those, because if I'm wrong, fresh anti-street streets both got killed after the fact, right? Or are they still here? Yeah. Yeah, they both still. All right, so that's what I was saying. So I just saw, in hindsight, Seemed like people were out to get them regardless of the situation. And Zach ended up just being in the car with them and kind of just got. But when it first initially here, everyone was like, yo, how did this homie just drive off and leave him in the car?

So I could see why I thought, because everyone thought it was on some backdoor shit at first. Yeah, I ain't going to want. I definitely did too. Everybody did. Hell yeah. Oh, bro. Which one of them was the ones that went to, like, the police station doing live? Because I remember one of them.

Like, I don't know if it was live back then because it wasn't a live, but he did a video where he was like at the police station kind of like trying to clear his name. Oh, so T Street. He was wearing like a red shirt. I think it was. Break down from what was that video about?

Because I do it. It was an old video, but I remember him like trying to somewhat clear it up. Because I ain't a lot. Like the whole Chicago thought, bro, did it. So, like, they was all, you know, after you got a name like that, they don't, you get a target, you know?

So he was just. He just wanted to clear all that shit up. He was just tough for a while, you know? Yeah. Doing what he got to do. And how long was it after that both Fresh and Streets was killed? Like, was it like an immediate thing or years later? I think O.O.A.T. Streets died, damn, like, a week after.

A week after? Damn, that's crazy. Yeah. And Fresh died, like, was it like months after some shit? Months after. Yeah. So still in the same year, it was pretty much. Something around that. Everyone that was in that car ended up.

That type shit, hell, yeah. That's crazy. That's, wow, that's Chicago for you. Bro, that's the rack, folks. You see what shit that happened? Shit like that. Do you remember where you were at when you found out? Yeah, I was in the crib laid out.

Like, my OG, you know, is early in the morning. She comes beating on the door. I'm thinking, like, it was on a school day, I think, or some shit, too. School day, for sure. I'm thinking like she tweaking, because of that or something. But I opened the door, she was crying and shit. I'm like, when she told me that shit, I ain't go lie, I was just, I ain't of a cry

and I can't cry none of that shit. I would just shock, like it ain't feel real. It just sounds like she stands for shit, you know? Hell yeah, I just kept tracking my feet, bro. It was one of those type of shit. Yeah, then I look on the end, I see, bro, everyone like, the news and shit started. He was like, this is one of those. Muff-y-y-muff-s out of instantly move around, get to the on foot.

Yeah, I don't think I felt that shit tired. Probably to the funeral, I ain't gonna. I was out of town. That time, I was OT. My brother was on the way to the rack. I'm bro. On our way, they on folks, the will pop off the car. Oh, shit.

On B, I swear to God, folk. We're riding that bitch that will pop off. Now we stuck someone else. We still put that bitch on. We got to get to the rack. I'm bro. It was one of those. No bullshit.

Yeah, there's a lot of shit going on. Does Zach have, you have older brothers too at the time? Yeah, I got older brothers. Well, they were, like, frustrated with what was going on? What was that initial response to like, oh shit, to the situation? The second oldest, he was, he was, he was up about it for show. Then, like, all my brother was fucked up about it, but one now was, like, he was locked up. He can't, you know?

Yeah. I think he went through the most with that shit because he got out still, you know, feeling that shit, talk about that shit, breaking down from that shit. But everybody was up, but I feel like, bro, who was locked up, probably went through the most with that shit. He couldn't see that shit, you know? you can see bro in the cat you know, no funeral

none of that shit Oh, bro. That shit f***ed up And did the people ever get charged? I think so, but yeah, I think someone got charged

they got let back out I hurried someone ain't here no more to show. Yeah, I heard someone passed away. But there was a trial where someone

them got charged and let back out how did that? Yeah, I don't know how that shit worked. Were I at the trial or? No, no.

Yeah, I wasn't at the trial. how do you even like move on after something like that honestly that shit I don't think I forever I don't think I ever you know really move on you just got to take accept that shit and like see what you're gonna go next you know you got capital out of that shit

is a party that like wants to just crash out yeah like I don't crash out I mean I know what he said though okay but I don't know he said Okay, but I mean like either directly or to just like your life up, I don't know, just get high, like forget all your priorities, whatever. I mean, there's like a lot of ways to crash out. No, not really, though, because that's some shit.

He ain't going to hear him with that type of shit, you know? He ain't want motherfuckers around them, do drugs and be that type of person. So that's not a shit, you know. I ain't a lot of it's tempting, though. It's tempting to like to just give up, you know? But it's like you got to think like, bro, that's not, it's a type of movie. you know he what he taught us was the opposite of that shit so why not do what he's you know how he moving yeah get do some get something better out of this shit you know who was uh so how did

everyone get access to Zach's account like after everything because of his I believe like I don't know how shortly after but someone did try to do some vlogs on the page was it you or his other brothers or it was our cousin yeah so what was uh what was the process like of like all right get let's keep Zach name going and who was the side in fact that you're gonna one you're gonna be the one to keep Zach uh YouTube channel is still going on social media um the cousins came together like I owe little cousins they came together and shit they put that shit together and shit like around that time she was like we gotta keep the shit going around that time like you know they was a little you know they wanted to keep that shit going and then they should

they started with corn motherfuckers getting certain interviews landed like polo g and shit the lazeal um interview then shit we thought they just when i had the ball going again like keep that shit going i think they did a couple more interviews or el hila or ontario yeah yeah that's who and then that was part of the last one yeah why do they stop doing interviews on this honestly we don't know life you know probably some life shit i don't know but we don't know personally but we've been telling like you know keep that shit going well you know we're gonna try to push that shit ourselves yeah so yeah i'm more so passionate about rap more so than the vlogging aspect of it yeah yeah yeah yeah oh bro yeah i feel like yeah but i feel like we

We're going to, you know, divv and double today, you know? Yeah. What would y'all, what do y'all feel like, out of all the Zach TV interviews, which one have the biggest impacts or which ones have the biggest impact on Chicago that standout to this day? Yeah, L.A. Capone interview. All right. L.A. Rondo. That's one of the one of them. I don't want to stand out to y'all so much.

That shit all over TikTok. I ain't go a lot. That shit still all over TikTok. That shit like that, fool. It's just the theme of the shit, too. Like, you know how rare that shit was? Like, because they both, you know, they both, we don't see their ass no more. Like, one, like that one.

Both of their first interview was rare. He'd been doing rare shit, like, that shit rare. L.A. pulled up, I mean, nah, who was it? Rondo pulled up in the Hicah. They shot that shit in the Ops Hood. That was the Ops Hood. There was L.A. and Cuando, right? Yeah.

Yeah, it was about L.A. grandma house. Right. She lived in the Ops hood and shit. It's crazy. because it probably seemed normal to him at the time. It was just like those are the rappers who are around, just go make some videos with him or whatever. And then in retrospect, it just seems so crazy and so legendary

and just so ahead of its time. Because now there's no shortage of people who want to do the exact same thing that Zach was doing. He was just on that way before it became commonplace, like literally like 10 years earlier. Because, you know, like, if he was doing it in 2011, like, that shit really only started to become common. I think, like, maybe around COVID type shit is when everybody started making, like, hood vlogs and shit more consistently. And, like, he was just on that, like, way of him.

Look, I'm bro. He was living with us. I'm broke. He said, I'm going to start doing interviews and I'm going to push this shit. He left that bitch, turned the fuck up, no back. There ain't no turn back. I ain't go, why. He didn't.

He didn't look back. He didn't look back. He turned to fuck up. It was from now. Like, whatever type of run he went on, for, that's exactly what I needed to do, fool. I ain't go to lie.

Like, he did some legendary shit. Yeah, there was a lot of people making content at that. Well, not really. Like, there wasn't really people making content at that time. You know what I'm saying? Like, there was, like, people making channels, like, I'm blowing music videos and shit. But there just wasn't people like,

the whole dream of like, oh, I'm gonna make a living off of doing, interviews and vlogs and shit that just didn't really exist yet people that weren't thinking about that before Zach he kind of introduced hip hop to that in general in a lot of ways as far as like you can just be a a random dude and you can just do this from scratch I can't really think of anybody before him and the thing is most of these motherfuck people you know he know he knew and shit like way before this like duck he'd been new duck before the shit all they had a friendship before they started doing interviews.

Yeah. What was that relationship from anyway? Because he's from the Hunts and Doug all the way in the low end. Doug used to live up there. And the Hunnics? Yeah. They put the school together. And like Little Durk and shit.

Like he got them shit like he was able to just do that because he used to be out there. Yeah, because he got one in the little dirt and he had a little dirt early on interview. That's like second cousin. Oh, so he's called. He related to dirt? Yeah, second cousin. That's all because I think through like marriage and some shit, bro. They said that was said her in some of the vlogs.

His pops is my, um, mama, ah, mama, like, you know, cousin. So, you know, that's how that shit go. Y'all got a relationship with Dirk any, or did y'all have any? We saw him. We just saw him and shit, shit, shit like that. But now, you know, he weighed older and shit. He was, you know, that Chicago. So shit like that.

O.G. probably be at his O.G. He come through. Like, our bigger, you know, our bigger people got more close relationships. Yeah. Yeah. How do I feel about all the trials and tribulations that's been going through recently and everything he got going on? Yeah, free Dirk, I wish for us the best, no bet.

Um, bro, yeah. Y'all, like, I'm a big fan of his music and shit, or? Oh, fuck, a fuck, a fuck, yeah. Hell, yeah, hell, yeah, I'm, for sure. He definitely, he showed us, too, you know? Shit like that, he showed us too, bro, you know, you can do this shit, whatever, you know? So did, for the most part, did Zach get left alone about, with both sides and shit?

Like, like, you said that you kind of got pressed in O'Block a little bit, but, like, for the most part, was he good? Yeah, for the most part? They just told him that shit, but he's like, he telling them, like, I'm not on no, street shit, it's strictly business. Like, y'all want to keep getting y'all shine where I get, you know, like, let's do this, or we're not going to do it, you know? Yeah, because Zach was pulling up ready too, though.

He had that on him. And he well, folks. Yeah, he was ready. So that was a crazy altercation he had just with Ida and boss talk, or he had other run-ins and shit that we might not know about. I don't know. That one played out on camera where they put the camera down and you can kind of, we know about that.

But like, what else? Was there anything else to happen that we don't know? Not really hell, no. I'm not really, bro. No, it was one of, folk, but I don't think I want to say too much about that, for it. Was it young money? No, it was a situation, folks.

Like, you know, they lucky, they try to, you know, get on that with folks. What area was it? You could just say, like, is it a vlog that's out that people know? No, I won't on camera at all. Oh, yeah. But he told, he definitely told my OG and him and shit. It was like... Is it word, word.

So, yeah, some people wasn't really rocking with everything. Another big Zach TV that I remember is when he had the, I think he had one of the first Young Money vlogs, and they got all the young money dudes in there. I think Melly's still alive, Wu-al-al-law. Y'all remember watching those back in the day? Yeah, I remember that. Yeah, girl.

It's crazy just like watching, like, if you go back and watch all the Zach TVs, just to go see like how many people that's not even here that was in those vlogs. Yeah, that shit is honestly crazy, fool. I ain't a lot. Like, I was recently just watching that shit, fool. I'm like... That shit is f***ed up,

but that shit, like, legendary shit, I ain't going on. That shit, but folks captured, like, the real history of that shit. That shit was really going on back then and he was captured in between that shit, like, you know, that shit legendary to me on, bro. That's how I feel about it.

Give me the top three most legendary Zach TV interviews. shit we're gonna go to la one uh shit keep one for sure yeah I'm bro social one and shit I say the dirt one

because look you know look look like look what it you know and that's the first one ever shit yeah so the dirt one was before the sheet keep one no I don't think I don't think so

yeah I think Sousson came first and then the dirt was after that one got yeah so then so what got when did you got start rapping We start rapping like, how old are we for? Yeah, like...

Early as hell on bro angle. I'm elementary rap. I'm a fifth grade. That's when I really just like, f*** this year. I'm in Chicago, footh. When bro's a lot, we weren't like overly taking the series, you know, to try to even, you know, get on and shit.

We're just on some rapping in the career or shit. Yeah, I flamed that bitch, brother. No bet. And that's when y'all formed what, CBJ? CBC. We did a little else that with bro in them over there. them over there yeah bro my bro yeah cgd b can't go broke we named that shit because we ain't want to make no type of game type of shit we about money so yeah moving you know so we

just said cgb can't go broke we bought some money i ain't gonna lie we ain't on that type of shit so who all rapping on y'all label me bro and bro right da yeah yeah yeah so yeah most to ear you want to ell me brother Yeah. So, yeah, that's when you started rapping and shit, though. I feel great and shit in Chicago. I ain't gonna lie. I start, that's when I started rapping.

But my big brother's going crazy with that shit. He was sparking decent views. I ain't gonna lie. Louis-Zack Savage on, bro. He the one who got locked up when bro dad and shit. He just recently got back out and shit. He did like four. He from the hundreds too?

Yeah. Y'all, like, feel like you need to make drill adjacent music because that's like Zach's legacy and shit? shit? No, I don't think I don't think I'm gonna be deep on drill too much. Okay. Now, I'm gonna be a brousy tell I ain't go lie. I make, I make some good shit.

Like artists type shit, that's what I'm on. I'm artists, I can give you whatever. Type shit, that's what I'm on. Do you think drill's dead? I feel like it ain't dead at all. Muffalo just is gonna play it out with the same style. It's a lot of the same

stats. Yeah. Nah, I f*** with it. I ain't gonna lie. I ain't gonna lie. The show you know, got it going on, um, Fats on them, checking them. I ain't gonna lie they got that bitch They got their own style

though that's what I'm saying Yeah It feels kind of stagnant Right now Generally speaking Feels like people are kind of tired Of the same old shit They want

They look that's different Interesting So it's like The rappers are actually progressing And doing interesting shit I feel like are the ones Winning

And it definitely ain't like 10 years ago When it was kind of like You could just Rap on the same flow And talk about killing people And people would just go nuts for it That shit for sure

and working like it used to at all. You sound the same kind of that shit right off. How often are y'all in the studio, like? Shit, every day. I ain't gonna lie. We being that bitch all day. We're trying to get that type of shit, you know? Bro, we ain't that bitch air day recording.

I ain't go lie. How do y'all feel about the people who's kind of like doing the same thing? Zach doing like you got like the on-a-couches, on-the-couch TV. Real shit, though. Shout out to them, though. Because, like, you know, they're taking that shit and work going on. Yeah, it's doing something. Oh, bro, so shit.

Yeah, on the couch, got it turned up right now. No bad. Bro, he's doing something so shit. Hey. What other Chicago platforms, I feel like got a way going to? Let y'all watch. It's like, oh, yeah, this was that. Zach what the fuck with this.

DJ you was probably the number one for me. I ain't a lot. He's doing this shit. On the couch for show. What else? Live with Bobba or some shit like that? A lot of Bobbi is going to cry. Damn.

Oh, bro. DJ you. Shit, who was? 16, all this, you know, in Chicago. We never get DJ you back on the ground. What the hell happened? He didn't put out videos in like, hell long. I think folks, but he said he was doing a documentary or something shit.

Word. Yeah, yeah. Motherfuss, I got an interview with him, but folks had some other shit going on. But he was going to do an interview with one-hour cuts and some shit. And he reached out of type of stuff. Somebody did an interview on DJU and was kind of breaking down

the story of what happened that night. Who was that guy? I ain't a lot. I don't know. Don't know that guy. But y'all seen that? Y'all know what I'm talking about? Yeah, I've seen that.

Yeah, but don't know that guy. But he got a relationship to Zach or something, right? Or? I think he probably, if he do, that's like one of probably Zach, homie or some shit. We don't know for sure, but I don't know. Yeah, you know, same motherfuckers, but I don't know.

Nobody in the film. So nobody in the film said they, you know. Nobody could vouched and that knew him. Yeah. What about any of, like, Zach TV, a media homie, still around that y'all cool with or got a relationship with? Roan. Yeah, shout out. Free Roan for, I ain't a lot.

Free wrong. He go crazy. Y'all know Rome. You know what Roam is? Nah. Not? No, you from the HHS? No, you from the hundreds.

Nah. Put me down to him. He from the hundred and six. Yeah, wrong. You know, he goes crazy, but he liked that right now. So, shit, free wrong. If they go do their research, you know, they'll see quick. Just type in wrong.

MMG, 100th. But he was one of the main ones out there. You feel like Chicago on a street level is, like, way more f***ed up than it was, even 10 years ago when Zach got killed? Like, like, how do you feel like the climate is these days? I feel like it's crazy. Shorty's got bunts, folk.

It is. That's shit out of hand now. Sure he's got bunts and the AIPs. That's his first kick, yeah. It was a little storkshire, folk, but now that shit over with, I ain't go like. It ain't, like, ain't no storks. You can't tell him, niggas.

You know, I don't think There ain't really no big homies out there for real It's just, it's just wild I ain't go out. Why are you, I think people sleep on the hundreds Why how come the hundreds don't really get as much shine As like other parts of Chicago? Because they really don't got nobody right now

Just trying to push some shit for real, you know? Yeah, you know? So that's what it is for real They just got to get somebody from outside trying to push that shit, you know? What do you think got out of right now? I know y'all said Chuckie and Faso I was like Vaughn,

Von been doing this shit Oh yeah Von too, yeah Fully chopped No for it. Oh, bro All their ass Raven

You know Yeah, she go crazy too Yeah The whole, you know Everybody from that scene You know The rack gonna go crazy I saw

I fucking In the rack in general Bro support, you know Was Zach charging people to do Some interviews and stuff Like was he

It was certain people But you know Certain people Yeah Like man faces Go get it for free But then like certain people Yeah

Yeah It was a lot of nigg You know Yeah, that's a risky thing too Getting paid and having to pull up on the block You know, like that shit Yeah, for sure You can't trust that shit

That's why you had to come How he was coming What happened to your arm? My head? Yeah Oh, shit I don't want to get into that one for It ain't like that.

You knock somebody out? No, no, bro When you talk about that, you know? Hmm, okay What's your dream clap? Like, now that you're y'all do music like anybody from chicago that y'all want to work with

maybe zack worked with they might watch this uh all right i want to do some shit with hurry folk probably a hurry polo some shit polo re-start and show polo type shit

um bro we fuck with prolo we fuck with polo have yous we still on shit we might we might tap in with folks while we y'all some shit yeah pull up here a lot oh I think he live out here actually yeah

but he reached out to y'all him and Zach had a good relationship yeah he focused yeah he focused zank Do anybody from Chicago, like, reach out to y'all on behalf of, like, their relationship with Zach? Because, like, when he died, I've seen a lot of people speak out and they were kind of, like, upset.

Like, man, Zach, a good nigga, that wasn't for him. He spoke out. And he put him in a song with some shit, bonjour. He put him in the end of the song, shit. Doug spoke out. He called and shit. Yeah. I mean, what do you think Zach's legacy is?

Because, you know, some content from that time period, Like, I'm thinking academics in particular with the whole Warren Shirek thing. Some people look at that and they say, like, oh, this shit, content about drill music was encouraging violence and everything like that. Like, do you think that applies to Zach and his content at all? Or what do you think his legacy is? He was really, his goal was to, like, just get the authentic streets, you know, to get the real shit was really going on. He ain't mean to try to cause violence here and that, you know, even if something it did happen but happened for the, you know.

He was trying to shed the light on the hood type of shit, you know. That's where he comes from type shit. So he's shedding a light on it. It was just bad happening through the video that, you know, you can't stop. For sure. What would y'all put on the Mount Rushmore of Drew music? You had named four people who like, stamp this shit. Me first for his foot.

Oh, bro. Shit, I'm going salsa, for sure. We're going next on, bro. I'm going dirt. Polo. Herb. The last one, bro. Let me see.

I give you one more. It's usually four, but you get one more. Damn. Oh, bro, I just my... I go down. Now, somebody I'm missing, though, for sure, foe. Like, I don't want to put it in out, bro. Love for, bro.

Yeah, love for, yeah. Right, right. That's a decent I'll say. You gonna get you four or five? Yeah, you can do five. Sure. Dirk for sure. I got to do it.

Chief Kee. Then I'm going to go. Hurd. Yeah, then. We're doing it right from this. You said just the drill scene? Yeah. Like the amount works more.

like who put on for droulde the orders oh yeah derrick i'm forna pollo herb and uh g herb do you feel like the new generation the drill artists can be bigger or just as big as the old faces nah because it was like the way they just did that shit foe had the whole come up the whole everything had it went for it was just it was different like it's something you can't compare no back that's your wow i ain't gonna lie the shit was going on like back then that show was really going on like right in the midst of that shit so it was like she was crazy they going to make a song right after some shit you know yeah she still do the shit now but it's like most shit like uh she get water down this shit going on but it's getting water down though you know it's getting to

a mother's getting used to it and shit like you know that type of shit that's crazy though it's like even though like because a lot of people feel like this era of chicago is more dangerous but in a sense this is watered down because it's like everyone's kind of used to the sense I'm sensitize to like all the shit at this point. Yeah, everybody used to all this. You used to see in a 13-year-old with a button on, bro. That shit is normal. What do you think, uh,

it could be done in Chicago to, like, stop someone to violence, if y'all have to answer that? Or if y'all had some say-so? Shit. I don't think, I don't think, I ain't go like, I don't think it ain't no stopping for, like from now. I don't think there ain't, there ain't nothing you could do, bro, you know? more police

it's just gonna get it's gonna be the same shit they'd be scared and shit out the police scared so it's like it's loki of free world yeah yeah

yeah yeah better grounds GTA oh yeah yeah yeah yeah

yeah I still stay in Chicago no no I'm gonna lie I'm for now I'm close to Chicago but I'm a little

yeah no no more you know I make sense like if you can leave might as well right yeah

for sure I ain't go lie. That's the dumbest thing you can do. If you get some money for you, you can't do not just stay in the same spot. That bitch, trenchress. Hmm. All right, who you guys want to shout out or what should people keep an eye out for? On foot on.

No, we dropping. CGBJ, C.G.B. Mike. On phone on. Hell, yeah. The whole camp type shit. Free Wala, shit. Shout out Lil' Zach. Oh, bro.

All that, long Lizak, man. All that, you know. Lulazac, man. All right, he's that, man, for real. For sure. For sure. Thank you for sharing your memories of them and everything like that. You already know for sure.

Appreciate it for having you. Appreciate it. Yeah, for sure that's love. Shout out Remo. Shout out Remo. Shout out Remo. Shout out no job. Coolest podcast, the world.

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