No Jumper - The Vince Kelvin Interview: Running Pick Up Artist Bootcamps, Being Married 5 Times & More

Episode Date: October 2, 2021

Vince Kelvin talks about his come up, his hey days doing music and living in Hollywood, bootcamp for men to help them with women and more. https://www.instagram.com/vincekelvin/ ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFI... http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper, coolest podcast on the world. And today I've got an absolute legend in the form of Vince Kelvin on the podcast. How are you doing, Vince? Well, I'm just a simple man. It's really good to be here, you know. I became an instant fan. I just saw the Ryan Holiday episode. Oh, really?

Oh, yeah. He's part of the people I listen to on a daily basis. Oh, nice. Yeah, he's super good, right? Marcus Aurelia stuff. Yeah. And both of you, I love the flavor, you know? Hell yeah.

I was like, I watch other episodes, and I was like, my God, got to bring girls over there. It's going to be about showing your cock. I have a rooster tattoo, so I always say, like, you want to see my cock. Where's the rooster actually located? It's on the pubic area? It's right here. Oh, okay.

There it is. Yeah. I went back with pubs during the pandemic. Oh, yeah. How many times have you busted that line out on a woman? On a woman? I want to see my cock? Quite often, quite often.

That seems like it would just work so consistently. It's a good test, and you'd be surprised, you know? I want to see my cock. I mean, it's not for everybody, okay? Right. But it's all about how you say it and the vibe you project. Right. But it's a great way to have people reveal themselves super fast.

I used to always want to get a tattoo above my dick that said, you'll regret this. Because I thought it was funny. But I actually had a couple different people tell me, like, you will regret that if you do that. Because, like, in that moment, the girl might not get the joke. And it's kind of double me. meaning, you know? I really meant it just in like sort of a dark humor way. I was in like, ha, ha, ha, I was going to get like a big skull. You'll regret this. My second wife told me about this guy who had a backwards head shave, backward tattoo of Jesus on his head. So when he would

go down on a girl, she could see, see the face right there. Wow. That's brilliant. Yeah, that's like the question. Like, what do you want a woman to be thinking about when you're doing that? Because I have the bald spot. I have a tiny bald spot. I could probably get some. little like tattoo right there and they might be able to read it. Yeah. There's a classic shake well before use, but it occurs to me that your haircut might prohibit you from eating pussy from time to time or I guess maybe you just whip, wick it back when you're ready to go to war.

Doggy style. There you go. Okay, so for those who have been picked up on the vibes, Vince is a legend in the pickup artist game. He's got years and years and years of extreme experience with talking to women and seduction and whatnot. I'd like to start out by just talking about your early days when you were a young man, though. Tell us about your early days. Well, I grew up in Switzerland. Okay. Beautiful parents. You know, I've only realized that more recently. My mom passed away last year.

It was intense 2020. And my dad got really sick four months at the hospital halfway through. They were asking us, like, you're ready to sign papers long distance for me. Wow. So it made me even more grateful of how lucky I had been growing up, you know, beautiful beings. Wow. Scored high, every possible level. We traveled a lot. So I grew up in that small town in Switzerland.

And then my parents decided to go and spend three months in a country. That's what we could do. So we stayed in Paris, in London, in Amsterdam. Wow. And one day, you know, my, we could have continued like that. We're homeschooled, and my sister started like, I want to go to school like every other kid. And me, just like a little cartman, you know, I went like, yeah, I want to go to school. And the moment I showed up in school, I always remember.

I entered. It was after the year had already started. I see those two little boys fighting over a plastic truck. And my energy went like way down. And then there was this girl Stephanie there and her friend Angelique. And I could really sense and feel and smell their hair in the distance. So right away I was more comfortable like hanging out with girls. I played hockey.

Okay. Yeah. Nice. Yeah, nice. But I wasn't built to play hockey. I was fast. I liked it. And eventually I got hit by a puck right there.

Really? We were doing that trick where I would pass it backwards, be right by the goalie, and in case the guy didn't hit it, I would take care of the rebound. But when he did it, when I passed it backwards, I got hit in the eye. And after that, I spent probably a month at the hospital. And when I came back, I was told I had to wear sunglasses. Up to this day, I see a line moving, left eye, but I got used to it. Okay.

But it would help me at first to wear sunglasses. Then something shifted. I became the guy with the sunglasses. So I started to realize, you know, it's silly. It's like it's cool. The guy with this, the guy with that. Right. Yeah.

But so why do you choose to cover up your other eye with your hair? That's just the hairstyle. I'm not covering anything. But your vision's fucked up a little bit in the eye that you are using. Driving. Driving's not easy. I got this Dutch Challenger. And I, you know, my guardian angel is with me because it's very difficult.

So already the Dutch Challenger is known to be one that the visibility is less. And you got to do a full turn to reach all the way to the back. Right. But it's also interesting because I love to study, you know. I got that entertaining side, but really, of my own, I'm like a monk. And I'm studying hemispheric therapy from those two people. It's a couple, Al and Marilyn Sargent. So right brain connected with left eye, and it criss-crossed.

through the body. And of course, a right eye would be connected with the left brain. But by covering my right eye, I access my right brain even more. Wow. Just interesting stuff, you know? Food for thought. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. So you become used to being the sunglasses guy. And what, do you feel like that? Just sort of like gave you some additional level of cool amongst your peers or something? It did. Everything has a plus and a minus, you know? So it became. became almost like a little gimmick. It made me realize, you know, just how it works. And even as an adult, you know, this, I meet so many guys. They're awesome.

They're genuine. Oftentimes, they would probably be a better bet for a girl than the guy with this. But girls are so fast, you know, at like, oh, the guy with this. Oh, you're the guy with that, you know? So it made me understand that it's good ammunition to be the guy with something. With something special, you know, because we talk about, or in the pickup artist community, you talk a lot about peacocking, or at least they used to talk about it back when I was really paying attention to this stuff. But do you look back at that and see it as kind of like a form of that? Like this was just this attention getting thing?

Yeah, that's in pure pickup artist terminology. That would be social proof. Right. Working with the social dynamic. The peacocking, for me, I think that I really love to. to get to the core, not the surface. Okay. So I think that it's about honoring what we sense is right for us.

Self-expression. I've always loved fashion. As far back as I can go, I love fashion. Okay. During the pandemic, I still would be like I gotta dress up, not for anybody but myself. Right. So okay, yeah, you're, but describe what like the rest of your high school years are like,

because I'm interested in like what, what the edge of you education in your life was like prior to you sort of getting into this line of work. Yeah, absolutely. So very rapidly, you know, my parent were giving me so much freedom with a lot of love. Right. With a lot of love. Sweden's a pretty safe place. Switzerland. Switzerland, sorry. People are always mistaken the two. No, but it's good. I think I've been to both and I'm just being a total ignorant American right there. Yes, Swedish girls. They're responsible for the end of my second marriage. That is no joke right there. I mean, Europe and I went to

Stockholm for a conference to speak over there. And, ooh. Yeah. But, yeah, the rest of my upbringing was super active, thanks to my parents. And they were super proactive. For example, my dad became the number one hockey coach. Wow. And a very genuine guy, not like, oh, my son's going to play or anything, just to be of

service, very noble. Wow. And with the hockey coach, they decided, let's take all the kids, the hockey coach was from Canada, Calgary. Let's take 40 kids and 80 parents to Canada. And my parents said, let's do it. So they organized all those different events, larger scale, and we made it. So I played tennis.

I was a Boy Scout as well, very active. And then I discovered music. Really? After the hockey accident, music became my new passion. When I played hockey, I, you know, I've had a little challenge. with people who were just, you know, a little critical and so on. So I got a little turned off and I joined the cool crowd. Okay.

And I was playing music at a super early age in a small town, very interesting town. I just revisited. That's where Jean-Louis Chevrolet, Chevy Cars, was born. But, you know, about 40,000 people over there. So the demand was greater than the supply. So suddenly there's this guy who's about 20-something that's starting to gain a little bit of fame in the area. And they need a drummer, they cannot find one.

Somebody says, hey, this 14-year-old, he plays drums, is fairly good. They decide, with the permission of my parent, okay, you play one gig with us. Surprise the next day. I'm in the paper, big picture, and, you know, just like now, catchy titles on social media, that grabs attention, so they say you're officially part of the band. Right.

So then I'm hanging out with 20, 21 years old, you know, they're very, like, hardcore rock and roll. We play a lot of music. At 15, I'm asked, what do you want to do? I want to be a tattoo artist. I got my first tattoo. I was 13. Right. So.

But you were still in the band, but you also wanted to get the tattoo stuff? And what kind of music were you playing? It was like punk or? I went through every possible phase. Like, it's a long time ago, but the stray cats became like the thing. So I went hardcore rockabilly. And then the birth of heavy metal, new wave. And then my parents were, again, super cool.

They said, okay, you do the footwork will help you. It was tough because there was a catch-22 back then. In order to acquire machines, you need it to be. a member of a tattoo club. In order to be a member of a tattoo club, you needed to have your own machine. So they were making sure that not everybody would start tattooing.

They were trying to avoid the future that we now live in where like anybody can just become a tattoo artist. Absolutely. Yeah, it's so easy in this day and age. So I did that for a while. Again, a lot of press, youngest tattoo artist in Europe. And then I wanted to really take music

further. I started to play more and more instruments. And to my surprise, again, I was asked, what do you want to do? I had heard about that place in Boston, Massachusetts. Yeah. Berkeley College of Music. I grew up like a half hour from there. No way.

Wow. Yeah. And so, okay, so that's how serious you were about the music. They actually pursued it and moved to Boston. Yeah, so I signed up. Berkeley. They accepted me right away. Relocated.

Last thing I said when I left, I was like, I told a buddy, a buddy of mine says, you'll be back. And I said, watch, I'm going to stay in America. Are you going to do this? I'm going to get married. So I was on a quest to get married. Oh, Quest for Love. This girl, she went by the name of Ericane, from Puerto Rico.

Right. So, and, you know, I mean, everybody was staring at her in the dorms. I was like, that's it. That's her. I knew it. And how old were you at this point? I was 19. I rapidly dragged her to Vegas, got me.

married super vast. And wow, that girl, man, she was just very hardcore. Like, total kleptomaniac. Oh, yeah. We're in San Francisco. We come out of one of those little museums like the World Guinness or whatever. We're being chased. An alarm is going on.

She grabbed something precious from one of the display. And how long were you with her before you realized that she was a kleptomaniac? I realized pretty much right away I was in denial. What the fuck? Oh, my God. But, you know, it was good training. That was a woman that I wouldn't wish a girl like that for anybody. Oh my God.

She was like a black widow, prime black widow. How long did you last? She could destroy. We lasted two years, but it was a disaster. Right. But it allowed you to stay in the country. Yeah. Right.

And I did fall in love with her, you know. Despite her. Yeah, it's easy for a man. We find a sweetheart. We want to turn her into the slut and we fall in love with the slut. We got to watch out with that. And that's one thing. It takes us a long time to learn that.

Right. And then she passed away when she was 24. While you were still with her? We were on and off at that time. Wow. On and off. How's she done? You know, it's still under investigation.

My best guess is that she was with a group of people. She OD'd and they didn't want to get any trouble and they dumped her somewhere. You mean it's under investigation because they never found the body? They did find the body, but you know, the best information we could get. That's prior to the Internet. So it wasn't easy. I can't imagine what her mom went through. I did a little bit of my research story, you know, going to the Hollywood police station, but they just say, you know.

Good luck. Private investigator. I went to pay my respects afterwards, realizing that she had been buried in a common grave. Wow. Hardcore. Crazy. So did you guys ask? actually get divorced or did this happen before you?

No, I'm a widow. I'm a divorcee. I'm a widow. I'm about to get married again. Wow. Yeah, I got married five times. Five. Yeah.

Holy shit. Like, I'm sure you look back on this and you're like, why the fuck was I getting married so many times? Why did you feel like you were doing it at that time? To stay in the country? To stay in the country? No, because I was good with that. Some of it was genuine.

Before I said my second It was my third wife Who had the thing with the tattoo The guy who had the tattoo on his head Second wife We still really close friends Beautiful But after five years

We looked at each other And we're like I don't know anymore I remember I was a blockbuster Video Store And we were Trying to find something We had not seen

And I started to hear And we couldn't In my head I was like This is not my reality This is not my reality So So, you know, yeah, and part of it also was that just like the fun of it.

Some of them, they were a joke, you know, most of them in Vegas. On the other hand, okay, we've been very playful so far, but on the other hand, I see it as a gift of experience because, yes, you know, I started in that community of pickup artists. I never really came from the same angles. than the guys from the game and so on. True genuine love for women. And I, my debuts in terms of the, you know, self-help spiritual work where Tony Robbins, I did all the schooling with Tony Robbins.

And then you name it Les Brown, Marion Williamson, Wayne Dyer. I just dived in it. Up to this day, I just absolutely love that. So my teaching is very 360, meaning it's not limited to, you don't want to get late, let me help you with that. Right. It could very well be. I coach married guys. I'm helping a guy like right now he's not sure should have the kid or not divorce, you name it.

Right. 360. You didn't get stuck with any crazy child support or alimony or anything like that with any of your ex-wives? No. You were able to move along pretty much? I did not right there. You know, I always went for a pretty good pre-nup. Okay, that's good to know.

You're ahead of your time in that regard. I've been hired for that too, like the ultimate pre-up. Nice. And how to present it. I have the very rare situation of having a fiancé where we both make enough money that we both want a pre-nup. So that's cool. Nice. Very nice.

Yeah. You have an awesome situation, by the way. Oh, I appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you. I've had a podcast since 2004. So when I entered, I was like, oh, that's what it takes to really have a podcast. Oh, okay.

Yeah. Now, we sort of just eventually grown into it. But this is still a pretty cheap spot. We actually have another spot that we're moving it too soon that we're pretty excited about. But, okay, so throughout all this time with all these marriages and stuff, would you describe yourself as just like a real helpless romantic that just couldn't help but fall for women over and over? Or how would you describe where you were at at that time mentally?

I think that all of it is like riding a bicycle. Okay. Meaning we've got to find equilibrium. And I meet some guys and I've been there and you could catch me in certain areas of my life being there myself where it's purely coming from a place of desperation. So there's the phase of desperation. Then after that there's the rebellion and there's the phase of I want to win. It's still not complete because it's overly informed. I want to feel good. I want to be looked at as being good. And that's not the true nature of the human dynamic in life.

So I went from like, oh, I probably couldn't not me and so on, a constant apology. And then certain places at the level of technology, I'm just adorable. I have my IT clients from up north who go, but aren't you doing with technology exactly what you tell us not to do with what? women. Okay? And then, you know, the phase of like, I got this, you know, I'm the best. Fuck everybody. Or not necessarily that flavor. To now, you know, first, I still don't exactly know why I'm here on this planet, who I am. Catch me at a certain time. I can be the biggest asshole on the planet. Catch me at another time. I can be totally brilliant. Catch me at another time. You may be like, what, Vince Kelvin, you're actually acting a little shy. So it brings a great deal of peace when we no longer like, you know, one handcuff is desperation.

I'm not enough and so on, which costs constant comparing. And we personalize. We start to think it's just us. Every guy that comes to me, they're under an impression that is. It's just them. Guy tells me like, oh, well, I was talking to this girl and then a little voice tells me this and that. I go, I hear that voice every day. I just don't listen to it.

Okay? And the other part of the handcuff is, you know, I have to constantly show I'm the best, I'm this and that. And it comes short eventually. So I'm lucky with age came the maturity of, you know, it's a bit all over the place. Part of me is full of shit. Part of me is just brilliant. I come to peace with that. Now I can work with it and find my equilibrium.

Right, because you're making me think about just being young and being in high school and shit. And I feel like probably like 95% of boys in high school age, you know, 13, 14, 15, 16, they basically feel like the same way where like they want women to like them. They want to be liked by everybody, but they have no fucking clue how to get there. And obviously you're just young. You have nothing to offer. It's hard to get anyone to pay attention to you from girls and stuff. And then you have that one little sliver of the population that believe that they can just get any girl.

And that's like those are like the real badasses. But then like when I think about it, it felt like it was just such a tiny group of people who had that confidence. And everybody else is filled with insecurity, but kind of like projecting that they're more confident typically than they are. Like nobody wants to admit that they have absolutely no clue what they're doing, socializing when they're that young, you know?

Yeah. And make no mistake. I mean, there's the fantasy of the natural. I've witnessed them, those guys. I've learned a lot from them. Initially, I hanged out with a couple guys that really were doing well with women. Right. But they're not only that.

It eventually came short. I knew this guy from Italy, Stephano. Stephano, I mean, just a riot. He'd be in Hollywood with flip-flops, little sandals, and he'd be like, stopping cars, he'd be like, roll it down to the window, roll down to the window. And he did it with so much certainty and coherency. They would roll down the windows, all freaked out. And it would be, do you know any good disc attacks around here?

Told Borat before Borat. And then he stayed at my place. He would arrive. He rapidly had all those pieces of paper. I would say, what is that? He said, where is the trash? And those were the numbers he got during the day. Those maybe, and then the top he would just quickly arrange them.

Can I borrow your fauna? And he would start to call them and meet them at night. But after that, whenever a girl would somehow say no to him, he just couldn't take it. Really? And it didn't take long in a relationship without him, you know, being like really challenged by that. So let's not fantasize about the myth of the natural.

And then I love guys like Ryan Holiday and so on. because even if I'm already doing well, I got to make distinctions, you know, I want to learn. So we got to watch out also because I've seen it's almost like the guy's body is so like designed for athletics. You get so early like high school fame. Few pass through that because they demand a little less on themselves. Yeah, yeah. So for me, I just want to study right now. It's a very, very unique season. Like this past year was just, wow.

Gave you a lot of time to look into things and just sort of work on yourself. Yeah, yeah. But I eventually, you know, just went with it. I faced it. Right. I faced it. I just came back from a trip and it was very unique. Right.

Definitely. Okay. So you go through all these weddings and stuff. When do you actually find pickup artistry or what led to that? Were you already studying, you know, a bunch of different things that sort of helped guide you in that direction? It came unexpectedly. Okay. I was doing fairly good being a resourceful guy in L.A. playing music.

I mean, a total hustler. I would get in my car, put my drum side, bass drum on front seat, even thought of putting a hat on it so I could be in the carpool lane just in case. And I would drive as far as Corona, Riverside or further, because I realized it was easier to get gigs and drunk clients over there. Right. But I had a chronic tendonitis. And my passion for hypnosis and I started to study Tony Robbins. Tendinitis is a bitch. Oh, yeah, yeah.

And I was persistent with it. I went seven doctors after that. I was like, well, that's it, you know. Yeah, I was walking on Hollywood. I was taking care of it. Yeah. Still all fucked up. But, yeah, continue.

Yeah, I'm distracted by the tattoos, very cool. But so, and fairly rapidly, I really enjoyed hypnosis, hypnotherapy. I went fast with it. I started to emerge from teaching music at most L.A. colleges, Mission College, Valley College, and so on. I talked them into letting me teach meditation and hypnosis, which led to also teaching public speaking. Then I got a glimpse of corporate coaching. Yeah. Very renegade, but I turn a couple of companies around.

It was good. I enjoyed it. I felt uncomfortable with the suit. Wow. What do you credit that you were able to get into these lines of work? Because it feels like that would be so hard to break into. I credit my parents, the level of encouragement, you know, to be independent. Right.

It's a little bit of core generalization, you know, like one of my first, my first kissing experience was two girls who wanted me to kiss them in the woods. What age are we talking? Oh, I want to say five or six. And I knew you had to use your tongue, but I didn't know exactly how, so I licked their their cheeks. So after that, I'm operating from this core generalization. So nobody should be envious of that. Because you can change your core generalization through quite a bit of work, and it's never going to be perfect. We've got to watch out, because whether it was the 80s infomercial, the YouTube for three payments of 1999

or the Instagram stuff right now, like, you can be this now. We've got to realize, yes, it's possible. It's going to take everything. I want to do a class on, are you willing to go through effort? I think that's the one everybody must connect. So I attribute it to the example of my parents,

the level of freedom they gave me. Also, sometimes no choice. and just doing the footwork. Right. So suddenly I'm at a Tony Robbins event and this guy, and I'm starting, you know, this little challenge there because I'm fast at grabbing participants, even though I got the leadership award from Tony Robbins.

So that's starting to be a little bit of a problem. We're doing this thing where we're in deep trance, all the trainers in training, and we got to draw a poster. And on my poster, I use lipstick, and it says three-so. four sums, reverse gang bang. And I'm like, yes, I can do this, I can't do this. And those in charge go, I don't know about that.

Isn't this about live your dreams? But I love Tony and I went back to it with a little more humility than initially. So eventually this one guy goes like, wow, are you teaching? Are you studying Raj Jeffries? Because in that moment, it didn't occur to you that anybody would maybe be offended by you talking about reverse gangbangs? in this sort of self-help setting? It was almost like an omission, you know? Whenever we go into something extreme,

there's got to be an omission, right? Definitely. You know, like, MMA guy, he's got to admit, like, you're going to get hit. I did two years of taekwondo, but the first time we had to just do it with an actual human being, I was like, I don't think that's for me. Oh, shit, my ribs.

So Ross Jeffries was like one of the first people in the pickup space. I kind of remember this name. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't remember much about him. Absolutely. And so people assumed that you probably already knew about him because of some of the stuff you were talking about? Yeah. And then I connected with him.

I brought him a girl that was a little bit bizarre, you know. He was on Fox News at night, remote from L.A. with East Coast. And he challenged me. He said, I think, number close, the girl that's at the reception. the entrance or something like that. Number close means get the phone number. Yeah, so we became close buddies. I was a little young, you know.

I was like the go-getter, and I just was not necessarily really fair with him. You know, I was just like I observed his weakness. I observed his strength. I was a total strategist. And I, uh, but anyway, so I started to hang out with him. And he was doing this event at the airport. at the time they wouldn't venture in field to talk to people. And I took a little break.

I didn't know. It was like a two-way mirrored from the seminar room where they were about 60 guys. You could see the outside of it. And I grabbed two girls on the outside on the street, and I started to kiss them. And after that, that was pretty fast. And then my classes started to shift. It was hilarious because prior to that, mainly it was, uh elder women for weight loss those who had been on a yo-yo diet their whole life you know

i'm doing a little bit better than i'm doing worse right so um and life matters uh certain life matters of uh the typical stuff most of my clients were women and certainly my class would be splited where you had those women on one side and you had guys who go like teach me teach me So it wasn't planned at all. It just came to me and I felt very comfortable with it. I enjoy it. So what were you teaching the women to do? Overall self-help take charge of your life, whatever it takes.

But then the pickup artist side of things started to just get a lot more traction, you're saying? And then at a certain point did you decide to just go all in on helping guys? I did. Yeah. I did. And many times, you know, I feel like, okay, well, but I can. back to it. When I was on CNN with Lisa Link at the end, she said, off camera, she said, you know, with the jobs that you have, you could teach other matters. And, you know, I'm totally

open, yes. And once in a while, I still do a touch of corporate coaching. I had a fun instance where this lady, years after, she goes like, hey, you're still do corporate coaching. And I'm like, I'm going to show up like that, you know. And I arrive and I go, I got to warn you, I look different. now. I got, I got, and she said, oh, no problem. And I arrive and she goes, oh, shit, you should have told me you got pink hair. I just dressed differently. And she took off for her hat and she had blue hair on the name. Oh, wow. Twins. But I'm going to Lady D. Like, I've been up since five, like stacking condolini yoga, gym, pool, sauna. Yeah. Oh, nice. So I actually got, I got like nine, I got like nine and a half hours of sleep last night. Nice. So I just want to be. So I just

want to say that I feel more rested doing this podcast because for some reason I just went to bed at like nine than I have on probably any podcast ever. So I just want to throw that out there. I'm going to tune to your vibe then. Moving into a new place. If I seem rested and also drinking coffee, then that explains it, I guess. But okay, like, let me ask you this, is that there's like a lot of a man in his mid, late 20s, etc. You know, there's a lot of different like personality types when it comes to women, a lot of times you'll have a guy who, you see a lot of guys these days who just really have no confidence, they feel like completely helpless when it comes to, you know, meeting and attracting women. You have some guys who will, you know, meet a woman at a young

stage in their life and they'll just happily be with that girl for years, for the rest of their life. You have some guys who want to have, you know, extreme amounts of sex who just really want to, like, fuck hundreds of women. Where were you at when you sort of started to get into this because you're talking about being in the Tony Robbins seminar writing about wanting to be in reverse gangbangs like what where what was your mentality towards dating and sex at that time i started a little bit earlier than most you know it's not a common topic and guys we fast at like boosting it you know male ego uh but when i research it i had a little bit more than most and the appeal was like you know i i mean from like 13 on i always had girlfriends

I was very sensitive, you know. Lived with a girl for two years from 15 to 17. My parents said it was okay. Total misunderstanding. At some point she told me, like, I think I want to go back to live with my family. That's not what I heard. I heard I don't like you anymore. We're done.

I got afraid. I didn't want to be like she's going to break up. So I broke up with her. Looking back on it, I was like, you could have just said, yeah, I understand. and that baby, you've been missing them, right? I could have said, perfect. We had our fun anyway. Now, this way I can focus on me a little bit more, and I'm still with her.

But even if I'm not, but I didn't take it that way. Right. That's the part that matters. And then I rushed into like first girl that I could kind of think as crazy enough to say, yes, I'll go to Vegas with you and I'll marry you now. Right. But again, lack of long-term calibration. to a period of time four years where it was so intense with her that I had not,

they call it approach anxiety. It's not what it is really. You know, it's just like how many steps are you taking every day to correct that? That's always like the core. If we're really honest with ourselves. But for me, I had approach phobia and I had like almost like flashbacks of being with her. I was on a date with a girl. So yeah, I got up.

I was like, fuck you, Erica. she looked at me, she was like, we're done. So four years was tough. Embarrassing moments. I'm like this cool guy in his early 20s in Hollywood. I'm a musician. I got everything going on for myself. I go to the porn store.

It's not downloads back then. It's those. Almost like on purpose, they said, how can we take a thick VHS video and make the packaging, make it look even better? Right. A bigger, right? Yeah.

had a little crush on a girl in my building at the Hollywood Studio Club. This guy was always talking shit. I arrive with my little brown bag. He grabs the bag right in front of her. He goes, I just saw you at the porn store. What did you get? And after that, you know, it went pretty fast. Suddenly I reached a place of desperation where one night I was with this guy who was a little drunk

and he was so complaining about his ex and so on. I was like, I do that. I'm done doing that. So I went through all sorts of phases, stages. One of my colleagues, AZD, he says, well, you know, the benefit of experience is like, yeah, you can find a 20-year-old that's doing quite well with women that's going to teach you a few trick.

But he's not had the perspective of how do you, look back on it with the years what can happen afterwards at what point are you no longer true to you so that's yeah there's all those different flavors of guys i like to encourage everybody to become mindful of what comes after that every new generation thing we got this look at those those people. But I think the margin of success is so small, you know, to be able to turn around and say, I chose this girl. We've been together for 15 years. It's not always easy, but we work in it. Wow. Right. But that's not often the case. And the ones that I feel the most for are those men who scored very high everywhere else for their entire life and then they come back.

you know, and they're like in their 40s or 50s, and they got to get back in the game. Yeah, that's got to be tough. And we look at those guys, and we think we're much better than them. But, you know, the margin of success is super, it's a delicate topic. And where's it going? Eventually, oh, my God, I've witnessed my father, top alpha guy. And there's different flavors of alpha. You know, there's alpha like, wow, who's that loud guy?

He makes me a little shy. I want to be like him, but there's also alpha, like integrity, like backbone. Right. My father, at all levels, you know, scored super high. Right. And what was his journey like? Later in life, 79, to have to bury my mom to deal with that. He went from, like, riding his motorcycle and also being a CEO of a company,

going all the way to the tip of Mexico with his Harley and I have buddies you know the Vargas I told them the story they go like we don't even go like much beyond Tirana with brand new Harley

Yeah isn't that like suicidal Yeah he did it back and forth Wow he's got Parkinson and he's managing that And he lives alone now 80 Props to him So I better be fully equipped

Because I don't know where he's going to go You know It's a passing experience. We're not here to stay. I mean, I would agree. I've seen that of, you know, so many great men that I've known who, you know, all through their 40s, 50s, even 60s, etc. They're just on top of the world. They're really calling the shots. And I've just seen, you know, so many people just come to health problems and shit. And it is, it really makes you think about, like, how long you have to be here on earth doing your thing. Because I've seen, you know, high-powered men just turn into, you know, shrinking, very.

versions of themselves before they die. And it's like that really puts it into context. Like you only have so much time to do something here on earth. We all are going to end up in the same place in the fucking ground. But that can be also extremely liberating. And it also, one thing that's important, we can grow and we will grow. It's, you know, a person could be very talented. Indeed.

Hey, we don't question that. Rather successful, but according to what measurement. And it's easy to not realize we're still operating from a value system that originated in school. Where I'm constantly filtering my achievements to compare to what others are going to think. And I can grow strong in that until somewhere, somehow, I start to go, is that really the way to measure it? yeah and then to I pass it back to you

you know I'm excited so much I have days where like download of information is so intense so rich I like that though that's that's that's what makes life great you know just being able to learn really that's like why I give a fuck

about doing this podcast in the first place just get to meet new people all the time and take information from them It's super valuable to me. Let me ask you this. So around the time that I read the game was like 2009 or 2008, I guess, were you already doing some of this stuff helping guys out and you were already part of the greater pickup artist community at the time that there started to be this sort of like big pop culture moment where all of a sudden mystery has a TV show? Like where were you at and how did that sort of boom in that world? how did that change things for you?

I already was there. Okay. Yeah, yeah. For me, I never was credited by it, but in 1998, if I'm correct, that's when I took the first group of guys. We didn't call it a boot camp, but we called it Seduction Sunday, and I took them to the mall. 98? 98. So that's almost 10 years before I learned about this shit.

I have a video on YouTube in 1995 where I pulled this Italian girl in Paris. I think I've seen this. Yeah. And she turned out later on to be one like prime anchor on a major network in Italy. Wow. Yeah. So, but I like to be in the world, but not of the world. And maybe that's a mistake for me, you know.

I've been approached by so many marketers and so on. But it never really resonated with me. I was there coming from a different angle, different school, and then came some guys like Eben W dating. Okay. And brilliant marketer. And the plus that he brought to the plate was the guy is super computer savvy. I recall I was listening to he was explaining how to really market something.

and it was a kiss close. And I was hanging on to it. I was like, wow, he's sharing a similar one than mine and so on. And suddenly by the time we got about 45 minutes into the program, into what you can do to kiss a girl quite fast, I was like, what? That's it. So I brought to the play a very artistic, genuine aspect

and a passion and devotion for, for teaching. Many of those companies also. They have trainers teaching for them, you know. They're the main guy, but they branched. And, you know, who's right, who's wrong? They're doing their thing. Part of me could maybe have cashed in a little bit more.

Would I have done this? But I just, like, I love the trenches. I love to steal. I was just in San Francisco walking the streets with guys, Miami, Las Vegas. I did it in Europe too. So I was there. I probably was a little less. public than most of the guys back then.

Do you feel like, yeah, when the game became a bestseller and all this shit, where you kind of looking at it like, damn, like I've been doing this for a long time, but I sort of missed out on some of the marketing of it and putting myself out there and really becoming a celebrity for this stuff. Did that occur to you as like, you know, you were interested in a different side of it, but that you might have missed out on a little bit there? Oh, yeah. We all have those moments.

It's essential to art grow them. don't compare who knows you know and it turned out that later on maybe you know if I had had it sooner later on it led to beautiful things CNN Steve Harvey and more is coming right now

right now we've had that thing with the channel 5 guys which is hilarious and there's videos about the video about the video I didn't watch any of that how did you get approached to be in that video the channel 5 video that has like two million views or some shit.

Oh, right. At a pure standpoint of the kind of deeper stuff we've been talking about, I came back a year ago, you know, and I just said, you know what, whatever the universe wants, I'm done chasing, pursuing. And so much, so many opportunities have come. So I think it's really the surrender. I own it, it doesn't own me anymore. Same thing with women, okay?

It'd be wonderful to be with this girl. It'd be equally wonderful to not be with her. And anyway, I am with me. And in the end, I will be with me. That's tough to come from that core. And that's when it's also fair for the woman. Because if my sense of value and well-being depends on another human being, that's not love. That's not even fun.

That's codependency. So I've got to work on that. And it's hard. Of course, at first, it would piss me off so much. you know to see what those guys and uh out i would i would grew it um it they approached me i knew that it was going to be a lot of fun and i just flew with it october third uh another show the better man vice tv is coming out oh really yeah yeah october third i'm looking forward to see that that's exciting um yeah okay so one thing i wanted to ask about is like do you feel or how do you

feel, you know, like the game came out and then I feel like early 2000s era, it started to kind to kind of become a thing where people started to really aggressively hate on pickup artist shit online. I started to see articles all the time from somewhat normal publications as well as like, you know, real feminist publications and stuff, really taking issue with a lot of the things that the guys were maybe saying or doing or teaching in that world. How do you feel about that? because it feels like that's like a real, I think that there is a space for the pickup artist community, for people who want to learn how to, you know,

open a conversation with women. I don't think that that has to be inherently viewed as a bad thing at all. I think it's actually a really, really important skill for young men to learn. Like, you know, talking to a woman out of the blue in a bar or a club is like a fucking really difficult science problem to figure out for a lot of people. And then you kind of see like it vilified because the truth is that there is a lot of corny-ass shit going on in that world and a lot of, you know, weird, weird stuff being preached.

How do you feel about the way it's been presented in the mainstream media and whatnot? Wow. That is such a good question. So there's an aspect of it that indeed is, you know, when typical guy, you know, he read the book or whatever the source was. I'm the first one who go, this is not what it's about. Right. This is not what it's about. So, you know, it also grew in a way where it's not healthy.

But that's not what it really is about. Any guy that's still out there, you know, whether it's a mystery or however they have evolved props for, you're doing something right if you have that longevity. We could open it more. There's probably also like, hey, why not pick on the pickup guys? Why don't we make them the black sheeps right now? Because we cannot make anybody else that.

For me, we are the solution. Because at the core, the male behavior that would be at its worse, at a psychological standpoint, is rooted in one thing. Scarcity, false sense that if I don't get that, I won't have. And that's why we got a cure. So I like to go to the core. And for me, I'm also, here's where it's at right now. Okay, post still kind of pandemic, post all that 2020, where are we with all of that?

Okay. I think that there's a natural, beautiful dynamic. in which if we look at the vine order, the greater good, it's perfect as is. Men are always going to some degree to stir the feminine. Always. Vice versa. Women are always going to some degree to stir us. If we go back and forth, you know, that's never going to end.

So we each take responsibility. And we realized that it's not a problem, it's a gift. So I like to ask myself, how can we present that thing right now and go about it where even the most hardcore feminist out there, be she right or wrong, would go, yeah, he's got a point. Right. So that's the assignment. And that's how we help each other. The feminine, it doesn't matter how much we work that thing at some point.

the feminine will destabilize this. So we can, and I have this incredible protocol. I like protocols because protocol, military term, it's something that we're not going to violate. A system, it's, yeah, that's a nice system. So protocol is live by it, okay? Better understanding of feminine, masculine. So there's the lower feminine and the lower masculine in all of us.

There's the higher feminine and the higher masculine in all of us. almost, you know, like I'm the guy, if I was IT, I would arrive, I would look at your cables, I would be, it's right there. If I was a mechanic, I would open the hood, I would be, it's right there. So right there, the lower, let's start with us, the lower masculine is we can become very rigid. You take a guy that's not nurturing that aspect of his life, more and more rigid, you know, like their energy starts to get. get mixed up and so on, messed up.

The lower aspect of the feminine, it's an endless debate. And it's also not healthy for the feminine. Feminine needs to know how to put its own break. That, should I do this? Should I do that? Oh, I think I should have chosen the other one. OK, baby, ease.

It's 2 a.m. You need good rest for tomorrow. And now the guys that are in the worst position, they're in a debate. Also, I was on Playboy Radio and they still were on. And suddenly we took calls from live callers. Hilarious. Every question, non-pick-up guy, was like, I'm with that girl.

Should I marry her or should I leave her? Debate, debate, okay? So the higher masculine, I'm in my own radiance. And what is going to help me to find even broader radiance, like the pure masculine sun energy? That own radiance, I, I, I'm going to have to be stirred by the feminine. And when the feminine presents something to me, and I turn and I go,

baby, you're adorable, the things you say. And when I do that in pickup, you know, if I'm still the guy who wants to really line it up. Because game is simple. Game is you get started. You're excited. Let's go talk to some girls. At what point, something that happens within you or around you, some guy is talking to the girl you wanted to talk to, the girl is not texting you back.

Right. Okay? She blocked you. She unmatched you. At what point something is going to take place and you are going to shift and you're going to become rigid. Right. And built endurance with that.

So higher masculine would be the radiance. One great way to understand masculinity at its best would be, okay, first exposure a woman has to the masculine would be father authority. Let's depict a couple examples of a father. The father doesn't give a shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's not what we want, right? Or the one is the father is a pleaser.

Now, I'll get you another one. Next one, the father is just like, I dare you doing this. I told you already. Eventually, come here, sweetheart. Don't drop your ice cream. Here you go. I'm still in my radiance.

Okay. Right. And that's what the feminine is telling. us to do. Now, how are they saying it? Okay? Some girls, they, they sending us those messages by going, don't talk to me on the street, looking away. Some girls are doing it hardcore by proclaiming things against men. See, and right there, that's also the pure masculine. I don't, I don't depend on you to be in my own radiance. Right. Okay. So, when you look at, where you're at in your life in terms of the pickup and all that kind of stuff like when you were young

I'm assuming you had like a extreme urge to sleep with as many women as possible does that still carry over into you being older now do you do feel like it's worth your time to necessarily be investing and trying to you know meet a ton of new women consistently it shifts you got to you got to be prepared those guys who drag their feet through their 20s and 30s you know your values and your biochemistry You can still do a lot about it, but they will shift. No, not me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's the core, where it's coming from.

Right. Right now, nurturing a super healthy relationship. I got to come back to nurturing me. I got to do that rapidly. Okay? And I got to have that in place. Right. Right.

Okay. The sex, I'm suspecting that it's a transcendence. I wouldn't be surprised if at some point I just experiment with that. No, I'm done with that. Really? I don't know. I genuinely don't know. The impulse is still there.

It's still not easy to just properly channel it. Right. I have my own debate is, you know, like I'm faster. I'm like with this beautiful girl. I went to a wedding, a buddy of our, uh, uh, of our, uh, of our, uh, of our, Maybe you know him, Tony Dillinger, he just married Lisa Daniels. She was on the cover of Playboy magazine. I'm not sure.

And there were a lot of it, all film stars over there. But I looked at my girl, I was like, wow, she's not even on the old film star, but she is looking good. And I could tell that vibe from everybody there. But suddenly my mind starts, hey, fuck it, I'm Vince Calvin. I deserve a for some or something like that. So the wrestle will never leave. It's really about what am I doing in the day,

that I'm in. Right. What am I doing? And personally, it's like, I want to score high everywhere. Everywhere I'm out. If I'm by myself, I want to do that well. If I'm with her, I want to do that well. If I'm with three, I want to do that well.

And now I've redefined doing it well. Compared to what? To my buddy's standard, to this? No, to after a life, I'm looking back on it. And I go, that was a good life. Right. But I don't know what I keep asking every day. It's like, okay.

From the perspective of, that's it, I'm gone. I'm gone. I'm a memory that will probably fade sooner than I always hoped it would. Right. People will go through my stuff. I'm gone. At that point, what will matter? And I don't know.

I don't have the answer. And I want to talk about also the young guy or guys that are, you know, like you had, I forgot the name of the gentleman you introduced to me, like the, I'm assuming. from Compton. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This guy can use. It never been a problem for him. You didn't believe it when I said this guy

needs some help getting asked? I believe everything in this day and age. I've seen it all, you know? I've seen like the other day I was with this guy in San Francisco and at some point I goes like, dude, you're black. He didn't seem to realize. I go like, Google BBC. He wasn't aware.

of it. He didn't know about BBC as an abbreviation. No, he wasn't capitalizing on it. I feel like some black guys... He was like the Italian guy that doesn't use his hand when he's talking. Right. I feel like some black guys kind of resent the

implication of them all having big dicks because certainly some of them don't have big dicks. Oh. You had seen it? Potentially, yes. But why not at least capitalize on it? Advertise it. Wear a shirt, BBC. I got to the awareness of it

I'm talking awareness right here so if you tell me maybe these guys are not aware of the impact that it has on women I don't know I don't know yeah for sure how do you feel like the dating marketplace has changed

since you know the late 90s early 2000s when you were really coming of age in the game how has the marketplace changed you know now girls have only fans they got guys on Instagram flying them out etc what do you make of this it changes

and it never changes. It changes and it never changes. And we don't catch that because we're not here long enough to see it. Okay? And we all get trapped into whatever is now trendy. I think that's it. It's going to do it for me.

Right. Okay. So the dynamic slightly. When I'm in Eastern Europe, you know, you got to be no bullshit from the get-go. I started to travel. People would tell me, hey, you know, Vince Kelvin, we love your stuff,

but we're not in Hollywood now. And I listened to them. And things started to change for me. I would still do well, but not as well. One day, I'll go, wait a minute. What if it doesn't matter? Yeah, awareness, suddenly the restrictions in this country, the tendencies here are this and that, you know?

When you're a guest, you try to be, at least you try to be a little bit more aligned with this. But when I listen to, oh, it's like this right now, it's like that. my impact decreased when I was like none of those things really matter. Right. None of those things really matter. So it's evolving, but it's not really changing.

Get to the core. Do you work? You know, yeah, you're online. That's great. What will happen when you face to face? What will happen the next day? Definitely. Maybe you look a little too needy or too, like, absent.

then you'd be the guy with like, hey, the sex was great. How come she's not calling me back? Right. What would you say is like the best basic advice that you would give to someone watching this who's, you know, in their early 20s, late teens, whatever, and they're trying to do better with women. What's like if you had five minutes to just speak to those people, what would be the stuff that you would focus in on?

Yeah, you deserve it all, you know? Don't let it on you. It's the dynamic I heard in your podcast with Ryan Holiday You won't get famous if you chase money Or maybe you're the money expert So You deserve all the social media stuff

And so why not? But don't go out it backwards I bring value to it. It's all value dependent. Value is very broad now, broader than it's ever been. And you totally deserve it. Now you have to be fast and you're not far from high school. No offense, but you're not far from high school, you know, even if it's seven years, seven years is nothing. So you got to drop the rules of then. You're your own man. And if you're doing one thing, you're still in a bracket where the dynamic is power to the guy that's going to be that much more free,

that much louder, that much more on top of it. But it's easy to be fooled by it. It's all a big illusion. So grant yourself that favor. I'm often asked, what's the one thing? The one thing is whatever you do, do it slightly more affirmed. Affirm not in just one direction, because you're not. See, suddenly I could be loud, but I'm too tense.

A little louder, a little more ease, and way less preoccupation the people around and so on. Because the rules and the dynamic are going to change anyway. That's the fastest thing that is going to change. And post the trend, that's the hardest part, right? I mean, whatever is a trend may come back later, then it's vintage. But right after it, that's,

it, you know. I witnessed the birth of Ed Hardy. When Ed Hardy was out, that would be like, it was a lot. It didn't take long either. That was like a year. Yeah, remember? It's only a year after that, everybody. And now people wear it ironically. Yeah, see? Ironically, you may come back ironically. So you're way more free than you know it, but you got to go fast. And the younger guys, it's stuff because you have no reference of being achieved right now. And because, because of that it makes you want to compensate and you don't think that you have the permission to be fully affirmed right now. And that explains sometimes, see, at a younger age, 16, 17, 18, I had some some really good looking girlfriends. I did good. But they always was the older guy appeal.

That drew me crazy. I hated that. Hated that. Especially these days. I think. It's super hard to compete with anyone older than you because they got money, they have success, opportunities, fam, they've just had so much more time to acquire these things that are hard to do when you're young. So when you're young, you start to think, I need to have those things. Those things, I've known plenty of guys that are wealthy. I've even had guys, you know, there's a soccer team in Europe. The captain called me, he says, we're studs, we're famous, we still suck with the ladies,

Vince Kelvin. Can you help us work with the team? on Skype at the time. So make no mistake. Don't let that fool you. See, what girls sense from men who are more achieved, the core dynamic is, because I'm more achieved,

I give myself the permission to be a little bit more at ease. That's where you capitalize. And then at some point, we went back talking about the game. You know, they had a project, Project Hollywood, the former Dean Martin mentioned.

Right. I had heard about it at the time, but I was just getting married. Ross Jeffries was debating. They were telling him, hey, you want to move in. And then after that, one day I'm teaching. We're taking a Hollywood tour to go faster to a strip club and to shop on Melrose. Each time, it's a seven-day training.

The guys show up and it's a disaster to relocate. We've got to wait for them. So I go, how about we take one of those little Hollywood tour bus? A former girlfriend of mine has one of those little buses. I go, name your prize, I tell you, we don't want a tour. We want transportation. Oh, okay. We barely in it.

She starts to go, and two, you're right, the home. She was not registering. We don't want a tour. I go, okay. Guys, what do you want to see? We want to see Project Hollywood. We show up at Project Hollywood. They go, Vince, come in the picture.

I go, I wasn't there. You guys take the picture, but I'm not going to put myself in front of that. Suddenly, I see from the corner of my eyes that the mansion is available. their little vision let's let's move in I'm moving and I partner up with this guy that I don't know

they call him the rat in the community you know and right away it's different we got about 10 15 interns there it becomes prime place for parties over there at the end I think there were

160 something complaints from the city we didn't know a district attorney lived two houses up. But anyway, so he tells my business partner, tells the interns, you guys are going to stay in the garage bunk beds. So I didn't like that. I was going to put them two or three per room. You're an intern. Come on. You're not the one that made this happen. But and all the guys, they go, how can we bring girls here? We like interns. It was one guy that was different. He decked up his little bunk like he was in college. He pulled,

cougars telling them how long since you've been in college you're cute how long since you got fucked in a bunk bed and yeah yeah i mean he didn't start like that but but he showed everybody and he lined up the lace for one year every woman was pleased with the experience so you can't make that mistake right now and uh yeah and you you got to wake up here now and learn i'd be happy to to help give pointers, but it's just observe those guys. And instead of hoping that you'll have what they have, you'll be as wealthy or famous as them, look at their body language.

How do they talk? What do they do? Now, what's funny is that there's guys in their 40s or 50s who never graduated from that. Right. And the moment they have a 20-year-old in front of them, they go back to being uncomfortable and thinking I'm too old for her.

Uh-huh. Yeah, right now we turn to the girl. my girlfriend's super young and I always tell her I say you're a baby right being old is from my perspective it feels like girls like me more the older I get yeah I haven't really hit that point of it getting worse if anything like girls always want to talk about being a dad or you got a dad bod or you know you just like I don't know for some reason there's like a comfortability that you reach as you get older that it feels like girls are kind of attracted to that's that's my kind of obsession and fantasy and mission and research.

I want to be able to take what we get and bring that to those who are younger. Right. That's real. Yeah. Okay, so where should people tap in with you if they want to find out more about what you have to offer and everything like that, website, social media, all that stuff? A lot of my colleagues say, if you want me, find me, that's the first step.

Well, there's going to be the thing on Vice. coming up, vincekelvin.com. And people are always very surprised. I had this one guy the other day, he message me on my website, and the message gets forwarded, and he's like, please, can one of your, the staff member, help me with this,

and he doesn't know that it's going to be me. I got a couple young guys helping me to some degree, but I am, I'm very personal. I was on the streaming. I'm, what, two years ago, this one guy, what was his name? Ice, something. Ice Poseidon?

Yeah. What about him? What do you do? Suddenly he goes, how can people contact you? And I'm about to give my phone number. And he goes, no. And I gave my phone number. And like, I thought my phone was going to explode.

I think I got over 1,000 texts that day. There was also something where somebody, managed texting me as if they were them and say, I liked it. Let's do another episode. Meet me at my apartment and I go to his apartment and that's not him. He said it happened before. Was there anyone who met you there or was there just nobody? His room was there. Total confusion. And then he arrived looking surprised. He goes, what are you here? I said, you texted me. And he goes, oh, that happened all the time. I told you not to give your phone number. His shit has chilled out, I think, a little bit, but his fans used to be the absolute craziest.

You know, he would walk into a restaurant and his fans would start calling the restaurant saying, there's a bomb in the restaurant and this guy just walked in the roof. He's a Nazi. You should beat his ass. Get him out of there. They would do everything. It was so crazy.

Wow. Good times. So, yeah, I mean, reach out. I love the Channel 5 thing we did. There was one thing at some point they go, like, he charges that much. The prize that they showed, if you knew everything that's included,

I will spend half an hour on the phone once a week for a whole year. You do the math, you're making even a minimum wage is making more money than me. Right. You know, I have a very unique relationship, good things come. I always recall I was asked to go speak in Stockholm, Sweden, 21 convention. I show up, $6,000 costed me. I brought my girlfriend at the time, and I arrived and I sold it. and I sold one of my books Semmite Sex, which is on Amazon, for I think $24.

Some of the other speakers, they were like, what, you didn't tell us? There's 12 guys here. You know, you said we'd be a big audience. I'm here, you know? Right. I shall be provided. On the way back, the guy who bought the book just wanted to hire me for some private in-field coaching.

So I'm never worried about that. So yeah, go to vincekelvin.com, reach out. The next phase right now will be to broaden, I take full responsibility for it, you know, showing up like that, but broaden the assistance that I can provide. I'm doing a project, you know, it was one year my mom's anniversary, and I felt I want to do something. She's been gone for one year. What do I do?

and that's something that's tough to go through it you know i had heard joker willing's goal like he has a little chapter on death and he goes it's it's hard but when i would listen to that i remember even sometimes skipping it to the next topic and uh i thought i want to really do something special so i'm gathering a group of people that have recently gone through the experience themselves all ages you know even parents who lost their son their daughter and so on and we're going to do a 100% free resource together in grief no mention of advertisement links or anything pure free service to humanity and yeah the awareness must be broader i used to coach women women are faster at seeking advice i hope to follow their lead men men Man, it's tough, you know.

I see guys go, I got no problem with girls. And then I go, that's great. Then I observe the dynamic and I go, wow, how sad to only come from the perspective of I will do something about it when it's a problem? Isn't that what everybody does? I'm broke now. I'm freaking out. I'm unfit now. I'm freaking out.

Be proactive. Be like a real champion, a champion of relation. And these guys, they come to me. I go like, wow, you know, you're younger than me. You got the odds are in your favor right now. But let's make that even better. And every man, I'm going to ask a question to every and any man listening to this. And maybe you got it.

If you got it, give me a call. Respond in the comments. We'll know that you watch the whole thing. Yeah. So the question is this. Okay. Right now, there's going to be at some point one girl. some situation, something where even though you felt that you were not prone to that anymore,

you're going to get hooked. She's going to make you melt. So in that moment, let's say you just had great sex and normally at that time you do something. Are you going to turn to the girl and go, all right, I'll meet you three hours from now. But, you know, I do that thing. I go to the gym every day. Or are you going to start to gradually dis-your-own disciplines because there's a girl in the picture now? It's not easy. And then we get softer. You know, I used to live at 1600.

Where all the YouTubers would live in. And it was not like you had to have something to be able to be there. So lots of alpha guys. And I remember seeing them like, what, you know, he's holding the door. The girls following him. he's got a beautiful girl. But here's here is leading. And little by little, you would see that shift.

And then you would see them kind of like, okay, so grow strong in it. So do we give my phone number to see what happens? Do we give my phone numbers, my phone number to see what happens? You want to? I'm willing to try it once again. Go crazy. All right.

3, 2, 3.309. 3.2.1. 3.1. I would hope that my fans would be less abusive than Ice Poseidon's community was a few years ago. So hopefully one of those are some of confidence. That's awesome. I genuinely hope that I brought something of value here. For sure, man.

It was super fascinating to learn about you. I will continue to watch. I love the diversity of all the podcasts. And I want to pick your mind to when I get a chance. Let's do it. Yeah, because you got a good life right there. Appreciate it, man. Vince Kelvin

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