No Jumper - The VL Deck Interview: Doing Prison Time, Getting Shot, Young Thug & NBA Youngboy Co-Signs

Episode Date: July 2, 2021

VL Deck talks about his come up, relationship with Young Scooter, with Young Thug, with NBA Youngboy, making money with music and more! https://www.instagram.com/vldeck/ ----- CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5tesvmDS8h50LkjnSAWMOs?si=j6sJD6DkR4mk5NZZWnlK7g FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFICIAL http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper coolest podcast in the world. And today we got VL Deck on the podcast. How are you doing, man? I'm blessed, bro. I'm here. I'm with you, bro. So, you know, that's a positive for me. You're the only person that young thug ever asked me to interview.

How do you feel about that? Thaw's my brother. I love Thug. Really? Yeah, thug, my brother. He never even asked me to interview any of his actual artists that are assigned to him that he makes money off of. Exactly.

They call organic. Some things call organic. When a relationship organic, it'd be like that. Like, we can go talk six, seven months a year when I call. bro, what you want, what you need me to do? That's love. So when it's genuine, it's different. And it's always been like that.

Like, I got like over 30, 40 songs with the... Really? Yes, yeah, he has all my tapes, but I just stopped putting rappers on my tape now, but all my previous tape, my brother on now, he didn't like, anytime, asked for anything, need or want, he'd do it. He never told me no. Because I saw another interview where you were saying that, you know, in Atlanta is so about the streets that, like, you're...

You said, you're like, I'm a nobody in music, and this is a few years ago too but you said I'm a nobody in music but as far as the streets go people fuck with me so it's like the fact that my music hasn't exploded or whatever that don't matter because it's different even not it's just like a person

from the projects with a name and then a dude getting in the rap game and blowing up he still needs somebody from the street just like I need somebody in the rap game see what I'm saying so it even out so your face card really matters in this game and then you know respect take you a long way and I got a good face card

in that lounge I mean so that's just what it is. You're born and raised in Illinois? Yeah, Zone 6. Talk about it. Edgewood, trouble, probably all right, all that's from the same neighborhood. Edgewood, Aliboy, yeah, from the same neighborhood. You know, it's just the same neighborhood. We had to hustle. I got my name from my corner. See, a lot of folks like VL, my name is Vich's Living Debt. That's what the VL stands for. I don't bang. Shout out the bangs, but I don't bang. On my corner, it was like 10, 20, but it was maybe 30, and we had to get it how we lived. Anything went on our corner to myself, old folks, rape, and kids.

Well, earlier than that, we had to get out how we lived. It was vicious, so that's how we were running the cause, and that's how we had to survive, you know what I'm saying? Really? We ever get to the cell first. So was Gucci already like a fucking superstar by the time that you were really coming up off the child phase of your life? True story, though, man, Gucci really came up together.

In the same club. It used to be this club called the Libra. Uh-huh. And everybody who somebody went through that club. I used to always hear him talking about that. Yeah, the Libra. Like, all they should be enough doing open mics and stuff, for everybody blow it up, you know what I'm saying?

So Gucci from the same zone, like, you know what I mean? Yeah. Before Gucci, though, who was, who was, like, well-known in Atlanta out of Zone 6? Like, who were you looking at, like, all that? Aliboy. Okay, yeah, that's true. That's my brother. Like, I got to give him at Rose.

Like, Adaboy brought the gang. He did a video with Crips and the blood before. Really? Yeah, you know what I'm saying? So Ataboy, he had his run, like, on the ground king. Like, people who wanted to hurt each other, but they put it aside for the video? Yeah.

He can just have them in the video. together, but he did it. Like, he went to their hood, his face card with that good to, hey, I'm on the way, Adam, whatever you is, and then I leave me. I'm on the way to you, bro. So, he was someone that you were around, like, or was he something that you didn't even know because he was a little bit, like, older and stuff? Oh, no, man.

Because you got videos with him now. Yeah, man, added on thought it together. It's before rap. Like, everybody really see me with before rap besides, like, Y, B, um, who else? Like, I got songs, feel like. But everybody else from rid of Atlanta. Like, I know him. like, future, like, them my people,

Scooter showed me the rap game. When I came off of prison, he took me around the rur. Really? And I just took it upon myself to depop up every promoter, every time I came out stage. Like, one thing I respect by school and how I do my artist now, when I come, he let me open up, and then he brought me back out

in the middle of the show with a song that man him own. So that gets him like a bud. They don't know you, but they're going to remember you. And it's on you to do what you got to do in your 10 minutes. And that's all I used to be, now I mean? So then, man, Scooter, we never had a crowd. meaning a lot of people to chant out with songs to make folks look at all with being me and him on stage. So, and that gave me a lot of courage, too, because he never had a crowd.

He made it, and I never had a crowd. And I'm on the way to making it. See what I'm saying? To me, Young Shooter is like one of the most underrated rappers of all time. And one of my most listened to rappers of all time, which I don't know if people would expect that or understand. But there's something about how he just simplifies shit and just hits you with the realest shit over and over. I believe 100%. Not every last word.

There's a little bit of exaggeration, but for the most part, I'm on board when Scooter starts talking. 100%. Because you're going to get that. Every rapper's exaggerated a little, but some rappers are really like that. You know what I'm saying?

Bro, I can say he's really like that. And then being really like that, the hymn does from our career, too. That's why we really ain't took it out sometimes because we really be like that, if you know what I'm saying? So, yeah. Interesting.

Yeah, okay, so I don't know, take us back to the early days of you. It was kind of like a played out question, but I was saying this for you. years. Shout out to Dirty Globaster, but when did you pop up off the porch? Like, what was like you kind of getting out there for the first time like? I'm trying to draw this narrative out. See, with Dirty Glove, they always been around. I watched, they platform bill, too, so they used to pull up on me in the projects and interview me. That's how we go back. They used to pull up,

like, bro, I'm pulling where you at. And I always been my label called Section 8. But while I used to get my role on that, I used to call it the 8. They used to air up on me. That's why they shot bad and boozy head. Like where I was, it was a little historic project site, you know what I'm saying? So it was known for that. Everybody wanted to come visit. Folks, you just come visit and take a picture right there with me. See, you know what I'm saying?

I don't have my boy slump going to pull up on them. Like, a lot of folks deal with me, see what I'm saying? And that's just what it was. So dirty glove, I always pulled up on me. And then as time come, every time they bring something like, I got a podcast. Come on now. I'm going to come on there and speak when I speak, because I'm always trying to help and hear the next person.

So I'm saying? That's why I say trap house. So Dirk Glove just always been with me And we had dropped a couple songs and stuff together So we just built together Oh, okay, because I was just asking like About you literally hopping off the porch But you're basically saying that they were

Oh, oh yeah Oh man, I've been out of the porch since I was 12 I got kicked out when I was 12 But my mama loved me to death But you know she showed me tough love I went with my dad And that's when I started hustling But she kicked you out at 12

What were you doing that was so bad That when you was bad growing up When I'm from your grandmother's say Hey I watch my hand with you, I give you the gun And once they say that, you're really bad. Wow. Like, it was a point in time, like, this is going to sound crazy. I, like, I wanted to go to jail.

Like, I was doing so much stuff. I went getting caught. Like, I want to go to the train game. I want to see what they're like. I want to get my fine game up. That's how your brain can be messed up. You see what I'm saying? And so that's how I was until I finally went through everything.

Like, oh, boy, I don't want to do that no more. Now I got kids. And when your kids, like, you go to doing so many skit beds. Like, I ain't never did a long time, but I don't did a lot of two and threes and threes and threes. You see what I'm saying? So your kids go to growing up, and then it got to the point where they finally asked me, like, hey, man, why you keep leaving?

So it's over with now. Now he's time to grow up and get you some money. Like, you can be known for being a crash diamond or you can be known for getting some money in the hood. You start out on to be a crash dummy and get your name or like, he'll do this. And then it turned into one against money. It's almost better to get caught at that point because you want the experience more than you want the money and not getting away with it. The man who, don't take this wrong. The man who fell, like, he don't been through more than.

the one who never failed because okay I can I know how to survive they give us one and two muscles in a sandwich pack on the on the on the and you locked up I saved them three days and make me a perfect sandwich late on three days later so I'm not to survive on the other side of the world and I'm not to survive in the rear world but the average person ain't never been the chain game some folk do what ain't I don't seen people like millionaires regular people can't hounder jail thugs or whatever get in jail and cry like him come on bro you just doing a lot out there. You see what I'm saying? So a lot of folks really don't know what they're looking for in life until they find

it like, oh, this ain't what I really wanted. It's too late. It's crazy when you see a young guy who you realize, like, they're not scared of shit. They're not worried about getting caught. They're not worried. Like, they'll rob somebody. They're running around wherever they got to go. Like, no precautions. And you just realize like, damn, you could only really

be that way until you face some fucking consequences, you know? Yes. And the person who don't have nothing to live for like that, too. They don't care about crashing. They ain't got nothing. And they feel like, boy I don't about to love me so I don't care nothing about what you're doing because you got something going on yeah so that's what they call like you got respect the error you know what I'm saying a lot of people don't respect the error it ain't about being scared it just you know what I'm saying

you got respect the error a lot of folks don't respect the area that's how you'd be like rappers getting a train took and stuff because they be doing too much and and moving unaccordling you know what I'm saying you know you like this don't move like that but don't get me wrong I'm out of it I'm out of my jury on jimmy and my old lady see what I'm saying but that's just me and I don't see him people like, bro, what's up? Like, what's happening? Because, you know what I see? But when I get to a certain level where they just barn rushing me, then I will, no, I mean,

but other than that, though, like... But you got people that you meet up with when you come out to California? Yeah, yeah, yeah, my brothers, I'm just landing. Like, gone and thought them just landed right now, because there's seen no and fruit, you just hit me, like, so on, like, they here, you know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I got people here, but, you know, I just like moving like this because it gives

me a comfort, it gets other people's comfort, like, like, like, bro, ready like that. What up, bro? You mean just just only moving around, like, with your girl and not with like a bunch of dudes. Like a lot of times people pull up with 20 people and you kind of feel it like he needs those 20 people to like feel like he's really moving around right, right? Yeah, I'm going to have this thing. Like you wouldn't know what's going on with me even back home.

If it's up, wall, trial day to now, I always have this smile. So you'll never be able to read me. You know what I'm saying? But like club nights, we come deep because, you know, that's just how it is. I'm not just walking in no club by myself. But club nights, you know, I got my people with my other night. I'm really moving like this because I know what I'm going to do. And that's sad to say.

You don't never know what the next person is going to. don't do. Right. Yeah. That's just how I did, though. They're on cover. The club is different. Yeah, the club's different. People like go to the club to start problems. Yeah, and then can't club just to fight. That was the song back in the day.

That is weird, though. There's a lot of dudes who are like that. If they can't get some pussy, they're trying to fight. No, now. I'd be having that going on, too, man. No 9 to 5 or no street hustler. So a lot of folks just be angry with their self, bro. That's where it be like. Because I want to anger with myself, but I ain't ever been a hater. A lot of folks just be a hater. I'm just going out

pedestrian rob, anybody robbed. Now, go hit you a bite. You're going to get the same time. You're going to crash out. Go on hit you a bank, man. You know what I'm saying? That's funny. Because, yeah, I mean, if you do an armed robbery,

you're getting how much time? Man, they get out more time. Now, back in the day, it was five to ten years. Now you're getting life sentences. That's crazy. Okay, so what was the first bid that you did? Like, how did you actually finally get caught for the first thing? My first bid was,

man, I think I had. My first bid was armed robbery, man. I thought, yeah, that was my car. I was 17. They sent me straight. the prison. They gave me scrape without everything I was wishing for. Scrake the prison down the road. Then it was so messed up because prison was overcrowded. And they had just took the coffee off the stove so they had a war going on back then.

It was Keith of coffee was a big thing. And I was 17. I was just coming in while over. Asked me to get me a shake. Asked me go make me a shake. My old dude pulled me down to the side. Like, bro, you're going to die. Like, how long you got me got? Back then you used to have to lie for your time. So I was like, I got 10 years. You're like, bro, you're going to die if you don't sit down. You know what I'm going to die if you don't sit down. He was like, man, get you some weed, man, save some weed and send you some money home, man, and live off the land. You were trying to get a shank right away. I was back, because that's, man, it was the movies, you know what I'm saying?

Like, that's what it was. Now, my uncle was going to the chain gang. It was a popular chain game called Alto back then, and they had a shuffle. It was an altar like a fine game. Like, it was a certain prison called Alto Shuffle. And the Shuffle is your fine game, so you want to go get your fine game. You come home and bring that shit to the streets. And now I don't have a whipping niggas in the hood, but the gun and shit came now.

But back then, that's what it was. wanting to go get you a fine game. So you remember Atlanta when it was still more normal to fight? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. When did that change in your opinion? It changed. It changed out the blue. I ain't going to say, I'm going to say, I'm going to say, like Katrina messed out of sit up.

With New Orleans, I ain't going to lie, they turtling us up with the killing. You know what I'm saying? Because they were killing and we were killing. So New Orleans really turned it up. So 05, all city, it's been turned ever since then. Like, you made a pair of 2005, like you're a gangster. Like, so just a little bit of a pair of a year. you may have a fire your geys.

Can you? Yeah, sorry, but we got to, the sound effects going crazy. Okay, so, but how did you end up eventually, like, adapting to prison? How did you end up making it through your time? Like, do you slow it down a little bit? Yeah, once you don't get no mail, you'd be angry first because you can get no mail call from your girlfriends and partner them, stop sending money and stuff.

And then you'd be like, man, I just got to do like that. That was back then, though, so I'm speaking on that big. You know what I'm saying? Because bed's over with now. now, but it was like you just be in a hurt space if you ain't got stow money and stuff. You know what I'm saying? And then I was locked away a recession hit, so a lot of my family was messed up. So, you know what I mean?

Well, 2008. Yeah. Yeah, the one jesus was rapping by. It was bad. You know, whatever one that war, you know what I mean? So I don't really, now that I don't got older and you get a certain type of money, you unpunished folks for what they did to you. Like, even to folks not sending you money, like, bro, ain't nobody obligated.

Like, obligated, is it? obligation is a sin and that's something I learned so I unforgive a lot of people you know like whatever I'm trying to say like I'm not mad at a lot of people no more who I was mad at y'all didn't have it a lot of folks just fucked up and couldn't say that and you know you can't tell no female hey do this right don't fuck him you can't you didn't raise that girl

you can't tell her never do her pussy see what I'm saying and once you get that out your head your time easy because you is you like but you have to basically get rid of all your expectations man you got to let all that go because your time is going to be hard them folks still gonna do what they want to do they're gonna have to still go get their something to eat go to the club you can't tell them folks now

they're a lie and say they ain't gonna go but you wouldn't want that you know what I'm saying sometimes I see I have certain friends who they have you know family members in prison or whatever and the world stops when they call and they will sit there and talk to their fucking homie for a half hour even though he don't got nothing to talk about and that's when I realized like that's a real person

and that's a real relationship right there see guess what I used to be mad at folk because they used to send me money And I respect it too I talk sometime But at me long I'm gonna send you some money Even though I'm too busy to talk

Because some people do Be too busy to talk I can really say that Like you might be driving anything Mad at anything You can't talk He think you mad But I'm gonna send you some money

I don't think I'll tell Send me your cash out bro Like all my partner I'm telling you like Send me your cash up You know what I'm saying Because I know you gotta go to stove Even if you don't want to

You call it because you want to go to store You want to hear what going on But you still calling because you want to go to store And I know about that boy But I want you make store every week because I know that's the feeling just to eat and gamble. That's all you got to eat and gamble. In Atlanta, you were in prison in Atlanta or the ship you off somewhere else, Georgia in general.

Is that like, does the gang shit still matter? Is it race-based or what? Yeah, gang, gang, game, season. Now ganges series in Atlanta. At first it used to be a joke with Nashville. Like, gangs real. So gangs real. And then down the road, ganges rip down the road, they said back then it was cities, Savannah, Atlanta,

making like it was it was section off and where you're from now gangs on matter or joy all right all right al Atlanta and it'll be vice versa see I'm saying so gangs rule now period you'll trade on your family for the gang now how's your last change when you got out though like do you stay on the same shit or do you try to change my last bid I bought in the scooter and I was like man you're like bro you can come on the route with me wait while you were locked up no when I came home 2012 my last big I ain't been in prison no more I'm grown man. I got an assid, whole record label.

Oh, so that was the last one. That's awesome. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got a whole record label. All my features and everything, I haven't been since I've been home. I ain't seen the jail cell. But so then you meet Scooter

in what sort of environment? Like at the car wash. Okay. Yeah, I'm pulling through the hood. I'm at the carwine. Him and my little partner and we called the ruts. They were with him then

because everybody had got out of the streets. The runts. I remember when he used to talk about that. Yeah. I started the runts. Before the runts. Before the wreaths. Before the week, everything.

We were thugging in the hood. We got it off the movie City of God. We was in there watching the movie See the God when they, and we just took a bit traitor that started doing dumb shit. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, but it's crazy. Damn, so, okay, so how did you and Scooter start? Like, did he start to really put you on the rap game?

Were you not really doing your thing before that? We always rap. We used to, like, rap in the hood, make CDs in my partner, Neil. He, he's not going to be big, too. We just rapping his closet, you know what I'm saying? So, anyway, long story, I'm just running. running past the hood and we got a car wash in the hood. School of everybody was at the thing.

I pull up on the thing. I pull up on school. I jump out, hollered out of my partner. He's like, bro, I rap. I know, I know you're rap. You've been rapping forever. You're like, bro, you need to come with him. I'm like, bet. I'm going to come with you because I'm fresh out.

I need to try something new. I went to the first show with him. Seeing how they were reacting to him, he was getting 25 a show then. That was a lot of money. 2012. That's when he was first popping up too. Man, my wife was getting 25 a show. So he was doing it like four times a night.

I'm like, damn, you know what I'm saying? I'm from the rap. So he had it brought a K Blocker, free K Blocker. He's been to get out. Put up in now, we had a little rap group, rapping. And if I ain't know, I started performing my little one or two songs, and it picked up over the years.

You know what I mean? Like, it picked up, bro. Every time I come out of stay, I'd dab up the promoter who booked him. Like, remember me, bro. And it just came like that. And then I had got cool with this promoter named Tim Boss. He big with Promone right now.

Tim Boss booked me in my first show in Charlotte, you know what I'm saying? Later on down the line. Scooter showed me the ropes. Like, you know what I mean? You don't need a crowd, bro. Just do it. Get up there and handling your business.

I feel like I have so many interviews where somebody has that story about a more established rapper coming along and basically putting them on the game, like a talented young guy like you who doesn't necessarily know all that. Like you know how to make money in the streets, but you don't know how to figure out the Spotify checks and the fucking all that stuff. I read up on a lot of that though. Like I had to read them. I had to took a lot of losses though.

Like I had to get stole from them to. I had a lot of music, like, though. You know what I'm saying? Like, right now I got like 20 tapes out, you know what I'm saying? But I had, I had to learn the business. Who stole from you? Like, some former people I was signed to. They signed you some bullshit.

Yeah, and he was like, really stealing is something you don't know about, but that ain't that stealing. I don't care of your name tied to this water bottle right here. You eating off of it, give me my money off of it. Don't tell me I don't know about it. So that's stealing. You feel me? So, yeah.

But it's on you to not know your business. been so I start reading. I still start reading. And really, by that standard, then sign into any record label is stealing. Because, you know, that's the whole deal is that like, oh, we're going to make you famous. We're going to take a shitload of your money in the meantime, but we're going to help make you famous in the long run. Yeah, it's crazy. But it was some hood shit anyway, so I need to go through that to make me who I am now because

now it's old. You know what I'm saying? I went gold and checked before. Shout out. How do you spain my brother's name right here? Who? Right, yeah. How you say it's name?

I hate when I mess up with my boyfriend. Yeah, I always like, bro, you just can't. Women went cold and everything. How do you say this right? I can't wait. Such a dramatic buildup to how to pronounce this person's name. Man, what? I just tagged them on my Instagram, anybody.

Yeah, it is right. We could probably cut out a little. It is right. Yeah, my fault. Hold it right. How you say that? S. Barakuta? Yeah.

I went gold in the Czech Republic. Yeah, but that's his name, though. I just can't pronounce his name, though. Shout out, S. Barracuda, is this person with 141,000 followers? Crazy-ass face tattoos. Jesus Christ. That's my brother, man. We did that record, and it's shout out, man.

He's from the Czech Republic, and he tapped in with you and just wanted the music. Yeah, that's my brother. He pulled up in the song. Shout out. Like, we eat off the song. So that's why I really tell people, like, just because you ain't in the limelight, you never know what the artist's doing.

As long as he know how to sell his moods, and I'm not to sell my music. Shout to the guys the Empire. You're like, it's just all about standing down, man. It'll never give up. Definitely. Yeah, okay. So how hard was it for you to like turn off the side of your brain that was still in the streets? And by the time you came home from that last bid, was it like clear to you?

Like, I can't keep doing this? Yeah, because you have to see like as the streets slowed up for me, my last bid as far as getting money and going to store. Like, man, I was like, oh, no, I can't do that. that now I got to come home and mold I had to mold myself for my own backbone like meaning if you're going to be in these streets you need to have lawyer money you need to have family money put up for them

and you need to have store money however long you're out here thugging whatever bids you catch you need to have some money put up for that bid and so I was like okay I got to minimize my crimes I start selling weed now I got a weed license now though

so I'm with Canada's the dealer but now yeah that's what it is though that's got to have been crazy see that change throughout your life. Man, I love that part. Like, I really got a deal in Oakland with weed. You know what I'm saying? I got license.

Like, and it came from the corner. Like, my label called Section 8 Entertainment. Right. So when folks here, they'd be like, bro, you crazy. Now, this is me. I'm giving you this me. Like, this is what I bring into the rap game.

Every artist got to know what they're going to bring into the rap game. And a lot of artists don't know. They just, I'm a rapper. No, bro. I'm an emce. I tell stories of what people going through. Every one of my tapes is something you're going through in your life, Adam. I promise I got a song for something.

I heard it. But what I lived by, too, though, is no depression. How do that? If I'm not dead in jail, I'm never depressed. You can ask anybody around me. You never been depressed? If I'm not in jail or dead. In jail, you can get depressed.

I'm super depressed. Really? I'm super evil. I still like your locker box. I'm surprised you would say that just because it feels like these days it's kind of trendy to be depressed. And people would be rabid saying, like, I got demons that are chasing me. Man, they're true.

man you ain't doing that man you're trying to sound cool man I'm having fun right and they having fun because get what they're doing more they got more machines behind them right know if I'm having fun with me selling my own music I know what they're doing because they can sit in the studio everything and bought for them so don't tell me you find demons bro you just rapping good well it's funny because when I think about somebody like like thug that's one thing that I've always respected by him is he seems like he made a lot of money and he's really happy about it and he's enjoying his life

and he's not, yeah, yeah, yeah. He seemed a little bit turbulent in that early part of his career when he maybe didn't have the money right and everything like that, but, like, you look at somebody like him or also, I know this was a rappers in general, that thing you said about how you could have a court date tomorrow hanging over your head and you're still going to be walking in here with a smile on your face, right?

Dang, you can't read me, man, you know what I'm saying? My brother thought like that too. Like, he liked that, like he's turnt. He forever turk with pipe, like, we're not going through no depression, man. We got some sad songs. You have to make sad songs. But no, man, we're piped up. We having fun.

We're living life. Like, every day it's fun. Like, I'm gonna work so I can live like this. So I work to live special. Yo, I've seen the weirdest video where some Australian girl or a British girl was in your fucking trap house or your house, I guess. Shout out. She can't wait for my scraity. And she bought me some chocolate, too.

Like, you're telling her what lean is. She has no idea. She's on that. We had burgers on the grid. We called them eight burgers back then. Yeah. Like, she was just like, wow, we came way over here just to see. Like, because she told me you never.

know who's looking. So that's why I tell the next person like, bro, you never know who like you because you're going to always hear people. Folks tell me I can't rap all the time. Like, his voice, he too this, he too old. Bro, everybody olden to me. Every rapper you can think old to me. So don't never give up. It's just you. I know

what I bring to people, man. I'm a bright side king. I find a bright side of everything. So listen to my roots for that. I think you've got a real magnetic personality. Like regardless of the music, you're just somebody that I think. That's why once I really starts happening in the music, because like there's not a lot of people that can ask me to interview somebody.

I'm just immediately going to get really interested and like really start looking at them and stuff. But I started looking at your shit. I'm like, oh, no, this is tight. Like people really, I can see why people fuck with them. And if I ever do get main, main screen. Like I said, I saw in Reese. I said, I got worked with slime fruit.

I had a little talk. 125 in Jersey still don't feel like I pop. That's true because like I still wake up and do regular stuff. Or I can get on, you know, Hollywood stuff too. I can easily live like a rapper security guard up, do all this, but I just like being, it's like I'm in the middle of it. It's like I'm in the middle of it.

Like, it's battle. I hope I really stay like this. You know what I'm saying? Because it's a sense of mind to me. You know what I mean? Like I see some of my partner's really big, and they like, damn, they can't come back and they want to come back.

Really? I know, man, I got some partner to really want to come back to the street. Now as far as hustling, but as far as regular. Like, bomb rush, let's take a picture. The foe asks me for pitching stuff, but a dude to walk past. I'm like, bro, you're real and keep going. Versus Sam, I thought.

I'm like, bro, we got to have a picture. Like, you know what I'm saying? That's an overwhelming part. Once you get to the level of fame that, like, you're a cloud opportunity for everybody who sees you, including the people who don't even listen to rap, including some nine-year-old girl who's with a mom and she don't know who you are, but she wants a photo.

That's when it gets a little overwhelming. Yeah. But, you know, whatever destined for you're going to happen for you, though. but any different day I can wake up big, but like I say, I'm right here with you, bro, so I'm doing something right. Hell, yeah. Okay, so yeah, yeah, give me an average day in your life when you're at home. I want to know what the L-DEC lives.

Well, I get up whatever restaurants. We got a lot of good restaurants, so I, whatever restaurant go on the town, studio, four times a week, shop a lot. You know what I'm saying? I just really stay to myself. I've been in my own rural. I got product. I got Seamoss in foods with TAC. I got regular Seamars.

Like, man, shout out how the vegan life. I just got like a quarter, like a half an island of Seymour. That's another hustle. Seamoss. Is that the shit that Emily Chop is selling as well? He's selling some kind of holistic shit. I feel like that's where the game is going. Yeah, the guy, everything is even crypto-crips, everything is just switching over.

So I'm just staying in the loop. You know what I got books. I got a real R&Q. I got a book out right now, Amazon Five Stars, right now. It's a quote. It's not a book. It's just everyday things. I might say, don't do that lane on one page, or never pocketwatch your time coming.

So I got a whole book of Coke's out, now, I mean, just something to live by, now what I mean? So you want to do that lane. I practice on not doing that lane. Like, man, just be you. You get the same results. Yeah, what I got, stands to do for the Instagram stand. I got shirts and stuff, merch. Yeah, I just, I just, I follow the steps of Master P.

and Young Doff as far as independent grind. So that's why I'm met with it. Like, I'm always working. You're a big doll fan. Strucks and everything. Yeah, Dolph, my brother, we got videos too. Dolph, my brother. We got a song called Loners.

Like, I'm a loner. I don't mess with nobody. Yeah, we just be tall. You really feel like that? Because I think a lot of people say that, and then whenever I see him, there were, like, 500 people. I did that. Like, guess what?

Like, I'm a loner now. People tell you, my clothing line called famous loner, you know what I mean? So that just me, and I don't been around rap as well. You wake up every day thinking, man, I've been with YBE at his prime. So imagine that. Like, man, why we got a tape out.

Like, he's getting born-wresting. Folks start born-reshing you, so you're waking up every day. Like, I'm going to blow up today. You don't get that same feed. So that's why I tell people, your timing going to be different. Because I don't been, I got a video with fruit out. You know what I'm saying? Thug, like, tape will I be?

And I'm still at a certain level. But I'm not judging my position. But I'm supposed to be way bigger. Every person doing tape with these people right now, they're out of here. You know what I'm saying? But that's just how it is with me. Like, I'm cool with where I met. I'm just crying.

How did you meet young boy? Where did that come from? It was out of the blue. His crew hit me up. Like, Baneru, I got a, I got, I got, Baneru, like, my second fan base, really being real. Louisiana pier. And his crew hit me up where he had, like, 40,000 followers.

Oh, so is that early? Oh, yeah, we've been. Oh, my sofa. Like, we don't, we don't have been through a lot together. Like, why we here? But they hear you up just on some shit where they fuck with the music and they saw what you were doing and they just wanted to get involved? That's how I'd always be with any rapper.

Like, you see that rapper on Instagram. as his self. I mean, I want to see if he really liked that. And they go from now, it's turning to organic. Right. Like, man, we sit around each other six or something before we even talk. He's crazy. I mean, he's crazy.

You know what I'm saying? He's on Little rural. Yeah. But did you see him as being like a upcoming superstar when you met him back then? I always told him he was going to be big. I just want to listen to you. You know how you always got advice for your little brother? But, you know, everybody thugging in their own way, though.

And they come from a different thugging. See, my thugging is thugging and getting money. Baneroo shirklingling. Chop of slang in there, you know, it's a few more getting fat money, but it's more killing than grinding. Why do you think that is? Because that feels like a big difference between a lot of places. Yeah, that's in the way, like, it's folks, it's something. It's not even if I'm right, it's some people getting major money, but it's more killing. Like, you cloud up out of killing in certain states than grind Atlanta. Atlanta's like, baby Harlem. Like, we want to show some money. Well, you get

knocked off too, but it's about turked up now. You know what I'm saying? Like New York Harlem, turked up. You know, you get killed in a while, but you know your certain cities for money. and certain cities are killing. Certain cities have just made it a lot harder to kill someone. Like, when you think about New York, it's so much more dangerous to have a gun out there and shit. So you just don't think of it as being this place where that's where motherfuckers died. But when you think about Miami right now, it's like, that's where motherfuckers get shot and locked up. Like, bad things happen to you when you're Miami.

There's too much freedom. You got to think a chopper one 50 to $200 down south. So you got a dude on the corner that just when him got paid, got his check and went about him a chopper. He got 50 rounds for $2 to $300 on the corner. Now you make him mad. Okay, get what? Now, add that time 10 in the hood.

Now, you got 30 choppers in the hood. You know what I'm saying? So you don't want to go to walk with that hood. Now, this hood got 60 choppers. That's what it is. ESTG was telling me in his neighborhood that you just walk around and everybody got a gun. Everybody walking around with a machine gun under their arm. Oh, yeah, that's an idea.

And Louisville. Yeah, that's an idea. Like, shout out Louisville, too. Shout out G2. G, my boy. But, yeah, everybody, like, every hood like that. Like, it's no lacking right now. And then if it's up like that, you can't lack because you know it's up.

so why you outside? You know what I'm saying? Why you ain't got a gun? Why you ain't got your crew with you? Like some stuff would be like, come on there, bro. You knew it was up. But it feels like there's like a thin line because on one hand, like, okay, the gun laws are strict in New York, so there's less gun crime.

But then you have somebody like Fabio Forne who was actually in Jersey, but it's similar laws where he's just popping over to the ATM real quick. They go to give him a ticket. The gun falls out of his jacket. Boom. He's facing a crazy case. He might go away for a few years at least. But then on the other hand, it's like, do you really want to live in a place where

everybody's walking around with a Draco in their hand. That just like me, like, everywhere I go, I always say I can't stay here. I got to go home. Like, ain't nowhere like my town, and that's how everybody is about they sitting. Because I don't have people like, bro, you can stay in Atlanta, bro. We can get money live right here and do this every day, bro. I got to go inviting it. Oh, you're right, bro.

That's your environment. So till you're ready to get out your environment, like, hey, man, my boy just moved to Mexico. Hey, he moved because he, he don't bra on his horizon now. You got to bra on your arrival unless you just want to, some folks just want to see the same the rest of they like like i'm that man in the club the whole now you young growed up in the same club you got money too though but you just want to be known in your city some folk take it out of town like in all city we got new york dudes run out with clubs people from every other city around our club and that namad dudes don't even see that i'm one of the one saying

that i'm gonna call me some hooker loungers too because i see everybody around the time yeah hooker hooker language just sounds a little different yeah don't die on south i'm from the trap you know what i'm know what I'm saying. But yeah, like, I'm going to give me some hook a lounge. Wherever you said, hook, I can't say it right. Some hook of lounge and that's what's it. You got to have you some lounge talk seafood on your appetizer. Like, what it is, you know.

But it's crazy because, like, all right, I remember when I was young, like stealing and doing credit card fraud and even selling drugs and all that shit, that made sense to me way before the idea of starting an actual business made sense to me, which I really regret. Yeah. Because I could have spared myself a lot of fucking. and frustration. I ain't have good with scamming, man. I always got jailed, though.

That was one of my prison. I ain't have good. My partner, man, they had some good luck with it. I ain't have a good look. I always got caught up, man. I just walked to charge. Really? A late charge from seven, eight years ago.

They got you seven or eight years after for scamming? Yeah, because that's just how it be your name. I always be tied to it. It didn't make it so bad. It wouldn't even me. Man, my partner was in some cars in a whole other city, and he got his name around. They let us go and everything,

but his name was still on some stuff. stuff, he get caught out of town somewhere else. They run his tag at a Walmart, put me in the car. I'm going to sue them right now for whatever, cause I'm following in the right. Man, I had to go through. They dropped me out from the middle of Kentucky, three weeks can call, all type of stuff, man.

Damn, that's all fucked up. But, yeah, I mean, I don't know. I think that is the best thing that you could do for a young person who's coming up from a tough environment is to put them on. legitimate business or help them see that there's a better way that they can make some money rather than a lot of people never thought like oh i could open a you know and a lot of that stuff takes capital so it's not like you know if you if your family has never had 10 000

then the idea of starting a business where you're probably going to need a hundred thousand dollars it's like a fantasy you know see in the hood right now and they're catching on they start little hood girls getting them boutiques selling hair eyelashes dudes selling clothes and stuff so they finally catching on in the black community as you really sit back and just look now they finally on now like as far as you know trying to start being and then the PPP just turned them up too so they buying me everybody got business I heard that uh like half of the PPP money was scammed yeah especially from out this way they tow this town up they're talking about here they were locking people up on road a drive you can they go shopping but right they said we're putting out car they're locking you up

that's crazy to see I was talking to people who own stores on Melrose and they're and you're expecting them to say that the sales are way down and they're like nah actually with the PPP You got random-ass people coming in and spending $500 on shirts and shoes and skateboards or whatever. Man, that only can kill. They went crazy. It's really good for the rural, though. I ain't going to need to lie, man. The real.

It was buying so bad that they had the I-shot money. They took us through so much they had to. The whole world went through something, every race. seeing so much more shit. You're seeing all these people together. It's kind of tripping you out. He didn't hear by Corona no more. Oh, no.

Everything is just a myth. It's just, you know, you just got to go with life. I just smiled through it all. Like, you know what I mean? It is the way that it is. I saw you tell a story that I feel like it kind of deserves some retelling, but basically you ended up getting shot in front of your kid.

And it not only was stuffed with bread at some point. Yeah, because I couldn't. I was in a halfway house. So you didn't want, okay, you couldn't go to the hospital. Right. The halfway house, you can break your finger. Guess what? You're going back to prison.

Just for breaking your finger? Yes, because you can't go home like that. You got to go hill up. And I was like, my God, I can't do that. I had got locked up in the halfway house and everything, but I always had time to get out or make it back or call home and have my old lady on my partner extend the time on the, like, he's going to be late tonight because my partner had a shop.

And I used to work for him. You know what I'm saying? So when I ended up getting shot, I couldn't go. But the only thing about it, it went through the seat and beat me on my back. So it was stuck on my back. with my girl's scene, so it was really like a flesh wound. So that slowed the bullet down, so it didn't go the whole way through or anything? The one to have the seat. The one to have to see, I was blessed, you know what I'm saying?

And then my little girl screaming, we were four deep in the car, you know what I mean? But the wrap up was crazy because it was my partner waking me up the next day. Like, bro, get it up. I had to get him $10 to watch the cover because I had to act like I'm going to work. I had to come out. You know what I'm saying? It was just crazy. Then I ain't going to get locked up.

Like three days later, man, I was crazy in the head way. I made it home, though. I don't been through some, man. I'm gonna be through something, you know what I tell anybody, man, keep going. Shit rides to the top. I never would have known about the bread stuffing trick into the hole, though. Yeah, with the, remember Saran Rock? You know, you put that over in some hood.

You got to think quick. You know what I'm saying? You got to think quick or go back to prison. Me and my girl, he's like, you're not going back to prison. I used to, like, be big fans of these dudes who are in these hardcore bands, and they would get into knife fights, and then they would have video with them just stitching their own fucking holes in their body up. Man, they always been hard to me, man.

The bikers, man, they just fight it out. Like, they barely got guns. They just flesh wound up. You miss those days? Like, I could watch them on documentaries. I don't know what I remember. I just watched the documented bar fights and stuff. I don't go crazy.

Like, the big ones that went down. And guess what? They never snitch. They just beat. You could put it up. The last biker game, like 80 dudes just got off. Hmm. I was watching a documentary where Big U was talking about how he was catching fades outside

the roller rink, like, nonstop. 50 fades, like back-to-back dudes coming from other towns just because they heard about them, wanting to fight them. That's how big a deal it was to be tough, but they weren't shooting each other, which is like, it's like impossible to imagine now. Yeah, and like, now it's going to be a gunfight.

That's what they said back then. It was all about your fine game. You know what I'm saying? Now, it's all about your stick game. What kind of biggest gun they got in the neighborhood? But that's why it's funny is that a dude like Big U who was the size of a fucking house, and when he was younger, obviously, it was probably even more intimidating. They said, you were knocking shit.

But he ends up being the fucking king of the spot because of physically, whereas now the craziest dude might just be a dude who's not scared to shoot somebody, but he's like 80 pounds. Yeah, you're right. You say you had a wood. Oh, yeah, I guess you. That one wood. Talk about my boy Desto. Let's go.

Yeah, shout out my boy Desto, how do you mean him? Shout out Toulon. Tulun gave me a vest and then he had a whole lot of concert. Two line is the, I'm a brand and bristling for it. Like, we got our own black man. doing good right now. Shout out to Lund. So, they were like, bro, put their best on. So he was tagged that story. I tagged them and went to the page. He was hustling, now I mean. He had a whole

lot of call service stuff. He was hustling back then. They're like, 18 months ago, he was hustling. You know what I'm saying? Years ago when they introduced me to him, they just said, you got to meet this dude because he's like kind of low-key famous, but he ain't really like, he's famous for selling lean to rappers. They told me they're like when Thug and Migos or wherever pull up to L.A., they call this dude. That's how I met him. That's what they told me about him.

Then I met him and we get along cool and everything, but then we had a no jumper tour with L'Opump. He just says, he's like, yo, can I come on the tour? I'm like, oh, this shit, the van is full or whatever. He's like, I'll get my own van. I'll just pull up. He pulls up. He meets Lill Pump.

Lop loves him so much that he spends the next couple of years of his life on Torwood Pump. And then through that, his clothing line starts getting lit. And he just, all of a sudden, he got thug wearing it. He got everybody, Roddy Rich, all these fools wearing it. And now he got two stores. I'm like, you were really like, I don't want to say a drug dealer, but you were really in the streets when I met you and you changed it. That's right.

That's how it is. You're giving me a rose and now. We're giving you your roses, bro. They're all a lot of costs. Well, that's his runs. Yeah, shout out the bro. That's the jokes up runs. Or is that?

Oh, no, it does say awful lot of runs. You know, that's what he do. That's why I say it's marketing and crazy. He's not a collab with everybody and he knows that's going to make the money. I got to make my way back out to Atlanta. Yeah. Where should we make sure we go when we come to Atlanta next? Man, we're going to go wherever you want to go eat and the nightlife.

We have to go out on the nightlife. You know what I'm saying? Because the nightlife is what it is. That's what it makes Atlanta. Uh-huh. I ain't been out at night in Atlanta. I went to Atlanta and I drank a lean and sat in the studio for a week. Yeah, see, we're going to do that and we've got to go on the nightlife because it's lit.

It's a baby Calais. Baby Hollywood. Mm-hmm. That's what you hear a lot, huh? Black Hollywood, actually. Baby, I guess. It's smaller? There's like less clubs popping off on average night?

No, we got a lot of club. Monday to Monday. Monday to Monday is something to do. Not Sunday to Sunday, Monday to Monday is popping. Yeah. You know what's so crazy about these notes that I have written for you is that I accidentally mix them in with the notes for the next interview. So like a lot of these questions make no sense about him.

That's all right. Okay. I just have to ignore the second half. of these notes because they were written incorrectly. But yeah, I mean, all right, so where do you feel like you're kind of at in your career now and where you're trying to take everything and what you need to do to get to the next level? Right now I just found myself. So I know I'm going to take it to the next level.

I just bought him, Dun & One shot at Dunwin. He's on with the layboard with my cameraman. He's hard. Got a quick turnaround and I drop a lot of content. Like me, I believe in dropping a lot. Tapes every three months, videos every other day. I mean, because that's where I'm at with it. Like, I miss the overnight bus, you know what I'm saying?

So I'm on the ground now, and I'm going to stay constant with my fans because that's what I'm known for a drop a lot. Like, I can't keep up, bro. I don't know your songs, but you're hard. I saw you say that, though. You said, if you don't get the overnight, then you got to focus on the consistency and the longevity. Yeah, like, for real, bro.

Like, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to compare something like Detroit rappers. They don't got hooks. Nope. They just drop. Like, they just coming. Like, so that's where my hope, that's how my hustle. like a Detroit rapper. My whole host is like a Detroit rapper. No hooks.

I'm just going. I'm making money out of this. I'm doing that. I'm selling this. I'm tying my name to everything. That makes sense. It's on that shirt, this is hat. Waterball to Seamoss. This is what I'm doing. I'm doing everything. I'm an MC. I'm not a rapper. So I tell stories and topics of what you're going through. So don't

really look at me like a rapper. A rapper in the emcee is different. You can call old emcees like Redman and Methamman. They'll break it down to you too. I talk about what you going through. I get on stage, too now and rap but I talk about what you're going through. Trapped Palser. Please come to me for that. I'm not a

lyricist. I'm talking about what's going on right now and what just happened. Definitely. Yeah, okay, this is the other question I wanted to ask you because I know you've been around the whole world for so long. Like, Gucci as an A&R is like

all of a sudden looking really fucking good this year because you got, you know, push icey blowing up and Fujiano and everything, but then now it's like you see Gucci as kind of being the dude who's not scared to sign the most street rappers from a certain city. But then you're kind of seeing it like Fujianoszzi apparently shot someone in the ankle in the club. You know, that's like, it's tough. It's a gift and a curse because guess what?

Like my artist thugging. My artist's from the middle of nowhere like a country town. All they know is gun gang bang gun slinking. But they got a know to feed off you like, bro, used to be thugging. So if he's living comfortable now, I can live. like that. If they ain't got that right now, you can't make nobody a lawyer or mow nobody be no kind of way. It's too late in the game right now. That's 2000 down to 22. If they don't know to take care of their family

and turn into the man, like if you don't want to be the man known for having money now, used to be killing or whatever you want to be, you got it messed up. You got it all messed up. It's all about retiring and ball. It's not about going to prison and dying. I'm telling you that. I'm going to be through everything. However tough you think you it's about getting out the game balling with your family, not going to prison and die. And don't let nobody crash you out. Who ain't like that?

When you're so young, it's hard for you to see what's going to happen or what the results of shit is going to be. Because that that Fugiano case, it was a gun case that apparently the gun wasn't his. Somebody else was going to take credit for the gun, so he was probably going to skate. But then at the same time, he don't want to have to sit around waiting for the court date or whatever.

So he fucking melts his ankle monitor off and just goes on the run and starts doing all this rapper shit. And it's like, now he's, doing five years for cutting the fucking ankle monitor off when he didn't have to be doing that five years he could have just just sat in the house for a couple of weeks months whatever got it over with and been back to regular life well patience patience in this game too you got to know that like I might go out top it right here like I don't care about the vibe like what mean like if it's popping out cool if I want to go I'm a go like I ain't just pumped up by doing that and a lot of folk

be new to getting money and new to fame and it's like that don't get me wrong because I don't been in those shoes, like, just want to be, like, I got to do it. I don't care. So, like, I think anybody would be like this hill, like, hey, I'm feeling high security. I got a show tonight. Hey, man, I got all these dudes with me saying, they might hitters. You know I'm supposed to be, I don't put to be shooting my gun. But if some dudes really like that to shoot their gun, so I can't tell, you know what

I'm speaking for real, like, I'm telling you, because I'd be tripping on certain situations, you know what I'm saying? So I can't say, no, shawter pole a shot for him. But get what? If I'm fined, homie, if I'm fiend, if I'm fiend, if I'm fiend. You know I'm supposed to be swinging on no niggia on soon. Period. Like, I'm keeping it real.

Like, I'm supposed to be stopping y'all. Like, he cool, bro. Period. Any rap out now, you're supposed to be telling your partner. I'm cool, bro. Not you going off and crashing out. And everybody's looking. Then a nigga won't come around when you locked up.

Like, yo, you want to my spot. That's where to be, you know. A nigger, out of crew for the nigger won't they spot around right now. They don't need no. So that's why a lot of folk be head first and I didn't even knowing. Like, hey, bro, I keep crashing night. I don't just gave you a dime or $20. It's about the money I gave you.

It's about I don't post a move. I pose to have security. And I'm going to think ahead too, so I'm going to have my own security. You know what I'm saying? I got to try out there what it is. I got to sit down out. I'm not running. Because, get what?

Man, wherever state you get it locked up here, and you run over here to Caledon. You get caught in the county. You got to sit in this bucket. Or you're too far. They might fly you like Connell, but you got to sit in the meat and ride all right to that city. They're going to stop three, four times.

So you got to go through way more. What about I'll just get caught in the same city? Now I'm telling you. You might get caught in the same city. Turn yourself in. Those are the kind of details, though, a lot of people aren't thinking about. Yeah, because I'm going to bend through it. So that where I really tell a dude, like, if, man, I do something in Calder right now, bro, where I know I don't do it too much.

I'm not going to run. Because, yeah, what, cattle going to come get you because they got money. You know what I'm saying? They're going to extradite. A lot of dudes don't know. Then you get, I don't been tricked though with it. Don't sign the waiver and sign it. I don't set.

I know the game. You know what I'm saying? So that's that's what it is with me. I only move what I can handle. The dudes don't even know what they're getting themselves into. I got a homie who caught a case. And for a while, he was just ducking it, staying super low-key, deleted his Instagram.

First couple years, he was just being super sneaky. And now he's just, it's been like eight years, and he's doing whatever on Instagram now. And I'm wondering, like, the cops just decided at some point they'll stop looking for you? Yeah, no, I ain't telling them what to do. But, you know, the longer you run the battle. Because they get old. It'd be old.

You'd be like, oh, man, I ain't even have to run that long, be it straight out. Yeah. I ain't going to tell you to just turn yourself, but I just said me. Like, I just know what it is to ride through, the going, going back if you get caught. Some dude get away forever, you know what I'm saying? Forever. That's crazy.

You ever have a charge hanging over your head and you thought about just, like, going on the run permanently, trying to just never get caught up? I did. I did. I did. Man, true story. I had them got all the way where they thought it was gone. They had them told me like I don't got my life.

They paid the law where you can go get your license. Now, I'm ryan. I had them got me a jag truck. The new one, I'm riding. Whole precinct behind me for some old junk. You see what I'm saying? But I hadn't thought it was over with. Just like that, though.

Like, it's just crazy like that. They pulled me over and went through the ropes in there. I would tell you about they dropped me on. I don't been through a lot. What's a, give me something that you saw or read or something recently that inspired you and that made you feel like, okay, that's some real shit right there. Oh, the red is. I just saying thug and just bunting some fools out of jail.

Oh, I just said, no. That was too hard. They vines out of on Rice Street. Like, they did that. They bundled them out. And just off hands since you just asked them fast, like, they bunning something out. Jail, like, jail, like, messed up, bro. So that's why I'm always trying to free somebody.

You know, rapers are dead and there, no old folks or kids. Man, free them people, you know what I'm saying? Because jail messed up. And then COVID really messed up in the house. A lot of people, like, get out of prison and don't really have much to say about it. they just try to act like it didn't happen. You seem like you're still kind of like permanently affected by how shitty that was. Yeah, because every day I'm moving not to go back.

Every day I'm moving not to go back. So I still move and hustle like I just got out. And that keeps me on my toes, you know what I'm saying? Because if everybody else can ball and go home, I can too. I feel like a lot of life is like just being appreciative of what you have. And a lot of times it's really easy to forget what you got because everybody around you got the same shit that you got or is at a similar level. Yeah, but that's why I get a lot of, like, I feel really happy watching some of these prison shows

because it really makes me feel like that's where life could be. Exactly. And so everything I got going for me, it's like... That's your third eye open. Exactly. Like, that's where you could be. You ain't have to go through it. I can't even imagine being there and how much worse that would be.

You know what I said? You got to block out the kids, not your kid, but you got to block out of everything because you know when you want to think what's going on. They're going to mess you up. You got daughters, like what they're doing? Who they around them, grown? You know what I'm saying? So all that mess with, you got to block it out.

So now that your eyes open, that's right. So now you even moving out to go. You ain't letting anybody around. You crash out. How old was your daughter? I got 16 and 15. So you still tell him that you getting shot thing was a dream? Man, that's crazy you said that.

I tell her, you can ask my girl right now, I call on Faytime. I tell my daughter right. Yeah, she said, dad, that wasn't no dream. That's crazy you said that was a dream. I tell her that right to this day. Like, I tell her that right to this day. But how old was she when this happened? Because she was so young that you kind of had to lie to.

Yeah, she was like four or five, I thought. Oh, my God. So you had to try to soften it and make it. Yeah, but the whole time, like, see, I can tell her right now. She said, but dad, that wasn't no dream. I know what happened? Because, you know what I mean? Her friends from over there right now.

She's growing up now. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy that she's going to grow up thinking that it's not that out of the ordinary that her dad got shot right in front of her. Yeah, they say a lot in the head. Crazy a situation. They say a lot in the hood. PTSD real.

PTAD real. My first thing I say, He didn't rest of the piece black. Like, he got stalled in the neck by his girlfriend on Hudson. Like, I was super young, like eight on Hudson Street. Like, the cornered to hustle on. Wow. He had the sunroof, too.

That was so crazy. He came out of the sunroofing with his girl at the sunroof. She stayed out right in the neck. That was my first homicide. Wow. She killed him with a knife in the neck. It took him so long for the people to come and your body blow up. Like, you know, for the, the carmone to come.

A dead body blow up. And I always fucked with him. Like, damn. Do you know what happened to her? Yeah, she went to jail. She should probably stay there for a long time. Yeah, I don't know. I don't remember when I was young as hell, but I did that was my first time.

He was just dead out. Like, damn, blacked out. He was cool, the head. He just gave me dollars and shit. My nigger black recipe. Damn. I hate how I keep hearing about these women catching bodies and shit, stabbing dudes in their sleep for cheating on them.

The world is out of control. They'd be having that thumbahead. I'm a name of the Inum girl too good. Honestly, it was like last year where Rio the young OG started telling me that, like, he knows a bunch of people that got stabbed in their sleep by their girl. That's scary. I can't see that thing with nobody.

I'm so glad that I'm dating the girl who doesn't seem like the stabber type. What about your girl? Do you think she could stab somebody? Yeah, she don't hit me in the head with a gun, my foe. She has to have to have the girl when she loves fighting and shit. Really? She's crazy. She's a girl in me.

Yeah, she tore up. I guess that is good to know that they got it in them. Yeah. Anyway, anything we should keep an eye out for? I got a minute movie coming, man. Like a dog and man. It's going to be like the old mouse. movie to Unabout it.

Yeah. They'll know what I'm talking about. Classic. Yeah, I'm taking it back. Like, I feed out a dude like boo. I want to work with Busa, too. I feed out like the old booster used to put it in their face, like let you see him like, you'll be a thousand dudes behind the gate.

Bitch, we out here, all the way retarded. Like, that's what we were. Like, no what I'm saying? I was saying that's something the other day. I grew up about the old plies. What happened to the good old-fashioned hood movies? I'm coming back with them. That's wrong.

Yeah, what? They make a lot of movies in the chart, though. I like the chart scene. Ohio. They make a lot of moves up there. Like, you type in. They're on Prime Video. Shout out on Benner, Get Benny.

He got, he, well, I think. Benny just rock the move. It's on Prime Video, too. Okay. Benny the Butcher, he's hard too. Oh, yeah, he did, huh? That's what's up. I didn't even know that you would have been a fan of him.

Yeah, I listen to, everybody. I'm a real, like, Atlanta, like, it's a real motown. And Benny might rap over. I know. I know. I know. He might rap over, like, different types of beats and shit, but, like, the shit that he told me off camera about, like, what he was.

was doing before he was rapping. I was like, wow. He real. He real. He real. He real hustler. For sure. Anybody want to shout out?

Anybody want to thank? Anything we got to look forward to? No, shout out there about it who deal with me, who mess with me, who listened to my mood, the whole session that E&C, cameraman, one. My artist skipped, you know what I'm saying? I'm finishing for, like, two more females. I got one working right now, a little red. She working.

Like, I'm just, I'm just really on the ground, too. I'm barely in mind. I'm going to be the next. some mouse to pee. You know what I'm saying? I'm really coming. Like, all product, everything. Like, it just up with me.

Like, shout out my old lady, shout out my kid. Like, shout out you for you, for you. My pleasure, man. Shout out, shout out slime, because you know, slime make a lot of fun of me. Shout out everybody who ever did something for me, genuine.

If it wasn't genuine, I don't care about it. Because a lot of folks do something for ace in the whole faves. You know what I'm saying? Just keep going, man. Like, I always find the bright side of everything. Don't tell them you can't do it because they told him I couldn't do it either. And I ain't even reach my pee. I'm going to get him hell out of him. You know what I'm saying?

But it's stay grinding. For sure. I was going to put this out there in the universe. We got to get Young Scooter on the podcast. I'm going to get him up here. He's coming right now. I'm going to make sure he comes. So you can tell me if they I get him up here, he ain't a thing. I'm going to make sure he you come out of him. That's on me. Crazy. Let's go. VL. Deck, No Jumber. Coolest podcast in the world. Check us out on YouTube, SoundCloud, iTunes. Like, comment, subscribe. Nojumber.com. if you want to support.

Appreciate you, man. Trap. Much love.