No Jumper - The ZayBang & Lil Bean Interview: Blowing Up Out of San Francisco, Leaving The Streets Out of Music

Episode Date: May 24, 2021

ZayBang and Lil Bean talk about their come up, being the new ones to look out for from Sac, the ups and down of being independent, give Zaytoven his flowers, having each other's back no matter what and more! https://www.instagram.com/08_zaybang/ https://www.instagram.com/lilbean/ ----- CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5tesvmDS8h50LkjnSAWMOs?si=j6sJD6DkR4mk5NZZWnlK7g FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/NOJUMPEROFFICIAL http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: https://www.tiktok.com/@adam22 http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast on the world. And today we got Zay Bang and Lil Bean on the podcast to the hottest rappers coming out of the Bay Area. How are you guys feeling? Feeling good. What's hiding? Do we got to talk like into the mic like this? Yeah, if possible, just try to kind of aim it at your mouth.

This is a good height. You're good right there. You good. Respect for inquiring, though, for sure. Okay. So you guys are blown up. My boy Trevor is always playing you guys as a music. in here and doing my research

it's like it seems like you guys are actually living up to this like hottest artists out of the bay right now title would you agree it looked like that for show he's just working though for real he's just working and letting this be for herself right definitely yeah

I mean it's kind of interesting though because do you guys feel like you are getting a shitload of recognition in your area but then it's kind of like a bubble like it's a little difficult to pop out of the bubble that you guys are in Yeah, that's the main thing that we're trying to overcome for sure. Separate ourselves.

Where we're from, we can't go nowhere, you feel me? But we come to L.A. is like, people know who we is, but it ain't like, you know what I'm saying? Like, how you would see other people like they just know. Yeah, I just, I don't know. It's interesting. Okay, so let's go back to when you guys were young. I don't know who should go first in terms of sort of describing you guys' circumstances coming up and everything. like that.

What you mean? I mean, who should go first here? Like, when did you guys meet just so we can know that? Shit, we was in like kindergarten? Kindergarten. Ever since I can remember, I knew him. Yeah. You know what I mean?

We was really like first friends for real, like real shit. Yeah. Right. Like, for sure. Like, we was hell young. Before he even, like, we went to school together, before he even moved to our hood. Yeah. I live there on his point.

We went to the same school. And then when he moved over, I see. We were just like, oh, we go to school together. Now you live over here and it was on. Yeah, for sure. It was just on from there. That's what's up. What was going to elementary school in that area like at that time from your recollection?

You know, do you have room to be a kid or was it kind of crazy? No, it was cool. We were room to be a kid. We was kids. Yeah, we was having fun. We was bad, but we was kids. We was having fun. Bad in what way?

What kind of shit were you getting into? Nothing. Just like throwing rocks. That car is bad and shit. Like, riding garbage cans down the hill. type shit. Yeah. You used to go throw rocks over like a bridge and like hit the cars up below. Just a car, just a car, just drive past.

Try to break the window. There was a kid who, growing up, there was a kid who caught a body in my town for doing that throwing rocks off the bridge and somebody fucking got hit, died. They charged him more murder. Yeah, that's danger. Damn, because it's so high. Yeah. I might have just been making this up, but it's something I remember from my childhood.

Somebody said you drop a penny from fucking in New York somewhere. It'll kill you if it hit you. Yes. that's true I mean it's that high up like it's that high up it's coming so fast

like if it hit you in a head yeah imagine that I don't know though you got beef with somebody you invite them to the World Trade Center and then you are the Empire State Building and then you just dump mad change off the roof and just hope it hits down

what to hell no like doing a drive by but from above yeah that is hell of crazy that's crazy also they might be able to kind of figure it up pretty easy. Like, oh, I saw him going up there while the jar change. And great.

Okay. All right. So, you guys always stayed good friends or what was, uh, did you go sort of in and out of your friendship over the years or what? No, we was always always good friends. We went different ways, though. But like, you know, what? Well, I went to jail. He went to jail.

I went it. 16. Yeah, up 16. 16. 16 to like 20 or 20? 22. 22. Damn.

Locked up for all those formative years. What'd you get locked up for? Some dumb shit. Some horrible stuff. Like what? Can you can't tell us about it? I don't really like talking about stuff like that on interviews. Yeah, that's serious.

Yeah. It's a little dark? Yes, it's just, I don't know. I just don't be comfortable. Okay. So how did, what was your experience being locked up like, though? It was a wake-up call for it. It was like a blessing in disguise.

Like, you got to see what's in store for you. Like, if you want to be bullshiting out here as a, like, it don't matter. You could be 70 years old, and you want to do. decide the bullshit, they have a place for you. So, like, I felt like I had to see that in order to take life serious. Like, you know, because it's like, when they say all it takes is one time, you could be doing good for 40 years straight. But that one time you choose to go left, they got somewhere for you.

And I mean, six years. I mean, if there was a lesson for you to learn at that age, you probably feel like you could have learned in, like, a year. And do you feel like, I was certain, but six years? You did. Yeah, I wasn't lying. It helped me. Mentally, I talk to him every day.

Like, so for me about. growth and just how I think different. You know what I'm saying? Like it just, I did. I needed it because I used to, I needed it. That's what I like that. You just slow them down. It just makes me think because, you know, I got a kid, feel me? So I don't want my son out here up under the next dude.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm out here providing for my son. I got swimming pools at home and shit now. So it's like, you know, I'm just trying to be here. Like, you know, that shit was stupid. Right. But so when you got locked up, like, I was just interviewing somebody who told me that the moment he got locked up, he got like initiated in and he just fell in love with the jail shit.

And he just, he was just, he was with that dude Cali Muscle. He said that as soon as he got into prison, he just, he fell in line with it. And he started just doing crazy shit and just sort of becoming part of it. What was your attitude going in there at 16? No, no. I seen people like trying to follow suit and just like that. But I just knew that that wasn't somewhere where I was trying to be for the rest of my life. A lot of people do that because they're not nobody on the.

a street or they just you know they're trying to fit in they're looking for some love like you know a lot of people go through shit in life because they looking to be accepted they're looking for some love like you know so i guess he they felt like that's where they didn't want my people in there i wouldn't i don't even say by to people i was the dude that sneak out when i'm going home or getting transferred or something i'm not saying by passing my number none of that i'm gone you don't even want to talk to you weren't even like friendly you weren't even like browing down with them cool with people like as far as we play basketball in the yard and play peanut or spades but like them wasn't my friends like i don't know none of them people like a lot of people was in there showing me

what i did not need to be like you know i'm saying followers people ain't think for they self people did shit just because other people was doing i was never like that really like you know so i it was just it showed me a lot like it just showed me a lot like it was people in there hell of older than me like i watched the dude meet his child in there i was I was in reception with a dude. And then he was like, out of nowhere, he'd like, brady to be weird if I ran into my pop. And I'm like, yo, pops in the pen.

Like my pop's been in the pen the pen the whole time I've been born. Like, he's like 22, 23. He said he never seen him. Nothing. Br, when we went to the, when we went to, when we went from reception to the main line together. When we got the main line, he said his name, my OG dude looked at him and he spinted off.

So when we walking on the yard, another OG dude, I'm laughing. I'm like, that nigga looked like. little Paul. Bray. It was his pops. How did he seem like he was affected by it? Was he, did it seem like a big deal?

The other one or he was just trying to thug it out and just act like it won't nothing? I don't really like, I don't know. I can't really. I don't know. Like, I seen it, but I wasn't really like paying attention to it. No, it wasn't Paul. That was somebody else's parent.

He was in there with his dad too. His name wasn't Paul. It was something else. It was a dude though, but he was like, I don't know they was lost. Like, they didn't really know how to take it, But they built the relationship, though. Right.

But I've seen a few people in there that was that their parents was in there. That's why I said brother named on accident. My partner from Richmond was in there with his pops and shit, too. And I was just like, man, this crazy. Like, you know, I want to be on the streets. Like, you know, like, I want to do something different. Like, that shit was a lot. Yeah.

Yeah, that's fun. That shit was a lot. So he's locked over six years. What are you doing during that time period? Shit, I was normal going to school, playing sports and shit. Uh-huh. It's normal trying to survive. It's normal.

You thinking about music? Nah, I am. No music at all. Right. I was just trying to survive, take care of my family, my little sisters, for real. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Were you thinking about music while you're locked up? Yeah, I rap. Like, I listen to music. I like music. Like, I can listen to the radio and know every song, word for words. So, like, I like music

to the point to where I used to just beat on the table and make raps, you know? So, like, I've never seen myself coming home being a rapper but I've definitely always been into music though like always been into music were you guys excited about like sort of local like smaller underground

rap and shit because I feel like that's like the difference with the Bay is that there's like a whole fucking thriving culture of shit that other people don't really know about it yeah hell yeah it's people from where we're from that's going crazy we get excited about it all the time we call each other phone you seen this song so definitely it's definitely people on a rise

Is anybody who comes to mind, though, that you guys were looking up to when you were young that might have put the idea in your head that this is something you want to do? I never felt like... Yeah, never felt like a rapper, but, like, growing up, like, my pop's, like, had us listening to Messy Marr or MacDray type shit. That's what, like, I first started, like, listening to music and liking and shit. But when I got, like, older to where I'm listening to my own music, I started listening just all the type of music, like...

Mm. Yeah. Yeah, I never, I never thought that this was going to happen. No, hell, no. He had a plan. Like, he had four songs. He's like, yeah, I'm just drop these last four. If it work, you work.

If it don't, I'm done. Really? But the songs was like crazy songs, like crazy. Like, I'm like, everyone was different. Like, neither one of them sound the same. So I'm like, this dude got potential to make real music. So I don't know. Like, I just seen something right there.

I'm like, bro, I told him. I'm like, bro, we got something good coming our way. I don't know what it is. But I've never seen it coming because I used. telling him like, bro, if you rap and I, I'll just be on security guard, bro, I don't care. I'm your brother. Like, you know, like, for real. It wasn't, I ain't know.

We just blessed, man. That's funny. I just kept him in there, though, yeah. Like, you, like, you, like, you, do you think that you were underselling yourself? Like, you didn't, you didn't have the confidence to say I could be the star. Yeah, I never had that because I'm so used to losing. Like, all I do is lose, so I just be sitting back prepared to lose. You know what I'm saying?

But lately, like, I've been seeing what I'm capable of, like, and I've just been winning. And that's all I've been on. Like, I've just been focused. I ain't been worried about nothing stupid. Nothing that's not going to get me nowhere. No, false talking from nobody else, I don't pay nobody, no mind. Like, every day I call him and vent to him about good stuff, good energy. I'm not complaining about nothing.

Like, I'm like, bro, we're doing this. We got to be grateful for this. We got to just stay focused. And he do the same thing. Like, you know what I'm saying? Just put positive energy. Gotta keep going. Yes.

Got long ways to go. Mm-hmm. Definitely. I mean, I feel like life is like, you kind of like need to build momentum by having things work out or like, you know, trying something and succeeding over and over. And a lot of times when people are young, it's like they haven't really like figured out how to accomplish anything or they don't have any like confidence that comes from like doing something and making something happen over and over. So it's kind of easy to get lost in that mentality of like, fuck it. Like none of this shit is going to work. Where life is really about just learning as much as you can and just getting to the point where you can.

progress and keep having these W's that sort of like compile on top of each other over time. I feel like. And music is like that too because if you put out one project on Spotify, I mean the odds of it just going crazy or kind of low. And if you keep doing it, then your check is going to keep getting better and better. And you hear that from rappers all the time. Yep. That's exactly. You build your time. That's how it was with us. I used to we used to drop shit and I used to delete it. He used to be like, bro, you got to let it build up. Like let it build up. I'm like not delete that shit because it wasn't doing them. But now we got so much shit that built up like it's just part of your journey.

Definitely. I feel like I heard a lot of drivers sit here and talk about like seeing their streaming checks come in and that's what made it clicking their head of like I just got to keep going. I just got to keep letting this build. When we first started I was putting my music on Distro Kid, the first check was like my first when I first like seeing like a check, it was like 600. Then you had like 1200. Then I remember they gave you like 2400 one time.

I'm like, damn. I'm like 2400. I'm like, y'all could give me that one time and I'll be all right. That's how we ain't had been. We was starting from the bottom. Like, he just kept telling me like, just keep going, bro.

Just keep going. Like, and that shit worked. He started getting paid. I remember one time you got like $4,000, bro. Our mind was blue. Kept growing every month. Just kept getting bigger and bigger.

Now we can't even say with the mother of his beat. Because your mind keeps growing as that happens where it's like, at one point you're like, damn, I could pay half my rent. Yeah. You're like, damn, I can pay my whole rent. Damn, I can pay my rent and my food for the month.

And then your mind just, like, where could I take this? Like, could I be able to pay for my whole family? Could I be able to hire an assistant? Could I be able to do this, this and this? And it's like, it's a powerful thing to see somebody's mind opening up like that. Because I just did that. It's like when somebody get their first million dollars, they think it's a lot of money, but they realize it ain't.

And then their mind start growing it more and more. That was funny, though, because remember when I moved in my spot, I paid my rent for it. year I was talking hell of shit I'm like yeah my bills paid I don't give a fuck bro my brum I was paid for a year I wasn't playing with no body but I went crazy I respected myself so no that's when I started seeing shit like I'm like bro this shit for real did you have to pay it up front for you to give you the spot no I did it just because I'm like I'm a man I don't know what I'm about to do with this

money so I'm about to put this to the side and I'm about to pay my whole little lease up for me paid the whole thing it's funny though because that's not actually a good idea because that, let's say you rents a thousand bucks a month. If you give that landlord 12,000 up front, that's 12,000 that you are not able to do shit with

in the meantime and if you're really hustling then you could take the money in. No, I didn't give it to them. I had an account where my shit was just bop and it just automatically, whatever it is, I just take it out of there so I felt like it was paid because it was, you feel me? I had to, I tried to play it smart because I ain't ever been able to do nothing just for myself

personally, so that I was kind of big. me, I felt like. So you get out of prison, and then do you guys just link up and start talking about the music shit right away, or how does it start to unfold? No, hell, no. We was just. Nah, we really. I feel like he was just trying to keep me positive.

Like, he's like, bro, you been going to jail. Like, that's all y'all do, brus. Go to jail, bro. And I'm like, what do you do? He's like, nothing, bro. I just started taking me to little random food places. And it was just the environment, just I'm looking around. We cool.

we all right i'm like i like this like femmy we was doing weird little stuff we was getting on the ferry going to eat at restaurants we ain't have a clue about he just was keeping my mind clear like and then i'm watching them go to the studio and i'm like we both like music like you feel me it was i feel like it was i feel like

it was just a plan i feel like it was just meant it was just meant because we was just doing it like we used to have hell of fun we used to be riding to the studio to remedy house rapping a song together giving each other hell of handshakes like oh you're going crazy You know, we just motivate each other, bro. Like, you know, no matter who wasn't fucking with us,

we was motivating each other. You know what I'm saying? Definitely. Yeah, I mean, like, even just like that feeling of just going to some random restaurants and not having to, like, watch your back and all that kind of shit. When you're fresh out of prison,

that's got to be a big significant feeling. Yeah, I learned that from him. Like, you got to just get away. Like, just go. You got to understand. He had to learn. It was a whole new world. I had to, like, relearn everything again.

Like a little baby. Like, Phimmy. but I understood that. I feel like when people don't understand that, that's where they go wrong at. They feel like, oh, I'm still the same dude from this, and I'm still going to do this, and I'm going to know the fuck you're not. When you first came home, I don't learn how to use Instagram,

you can't post where we at. Like, we got to just learn everything. Hell of stuff. Like, it was real. It was just different. Everything was different. Like, you got to move different. Like, you know, and he just was showing me how to move,

like, and I just was taking pointers and he ain't go to jail. So, feel me, he must have did something right. Like, you know, so. Definitely. So, okay, how does the music thing start coming around? Like I said, he was rapping. I had a little, like a little city buzzed like in my city, like just like a little bit. So like when he came home, it was just like, oh, we just going to the studio. We used to just go to the studio for fun type shit.

And then we just started making songs and one of them just started to like catch fire in our city. With the video or just the audio? Just the audio Side of me It was just the audio Right of first Yep It was it wasn't even out

It was just We were sending it to people But it was everywhere Like it was in Richmond Instagram stories They slapping our song It was in Richmond Oakland

It was everywhere People just sending it around Through their phone That's crazy It was everywhere I was like bro They really liked that Like so when we made the video

It didn't get a million views Right away But I just felt like We were still gonna get At least a million on it Because how crazy it went I'm like We just served at least a million

And it got it. It was happy about that. But it just, I don't know, like he said, he was already kind of rapping, like had a little bud. So he was having fun. It just was giving him something to do for real. And I'm just hanging with him. So I'm just going, feel me?

Really, I was just rapping. I was just hustling, making money for real. And just rapping for fun, for real. Just something to do. Definitely. Let me just say, it feels like a lot of times when at least the stuff that we end up paying attention to in terms of like Bay Area or NorCal rap or whatever,

a lot of times it's like extremely street and extremely specific. Whereas with you guys, I mean, you talk about your lives obviously, but it doesn't feel like you ever are like, you know, really using conflict as like a way to get views. Nah,

hell no. Is that, was that ever even like something you thought about or is it kind of like, is that temptation there because you know that's like an easy way to go viral? No. That's why when you just asked me what I went to jail for, I'll just say I don't want to talk about it. I could easily sat here and say some hypey-ass shit

that I get everybody. You know, I'm not even going to go that route because that ain't even how we came in this. Like, you know, like, we ain't come in like that. Like we came in like, you know, we're just making our music. This is really my brother. So it's like we just, we make it music. Like we're not gonna mix the music with our regular life.

Like you know what I'm saying? That's two different worlds. Like, you know, we come out here, we raping, but we get out that studio, we still us. So you know, you gotta live a. live up to that shit like you know how you want to get viewed out here that's that shit like that's like you said niggas try to do that just to go viral that's just for a moment that shit that shit ain't gonna stick you feel you know we wanted to make real music so that shit stick

they ain't trying to just be a wave we're like so used to seeing people just use the conflict in their life basically for you know content views whatever saying people names and stuff like that and it just gets worse every year it gets worse you know for sure we i see it too i'm every day on Instagram. We ain't going there, right? We ain't about the point. We're grown, bro. We're in the streets,

leaving in the streets. If it's an issue, it don't need to be discussed because it's already on the floor. Right. You know what I'm saying? So that's how I look at stuff. Definitely.

Because somebody, when they were, you know, someone who's a fan of you guys was requesting questions. And one of their questions was ask them how close they live to the enemies in their hood. We don't have enemies.

You don't? This person seems to feel that you guys do and that you live in close proximity to people you have issues with. Is that inaccurate? Yeah, I don't know what they're talking about. Okay, fair enough. When you get out of prison, though, and stuff,

do you feel like, was there a shitload of conflict? Like, you guys getting into the rap game and being fresh out of prison and everything? Is it like, did you feel like you were in a situation where there's people hating on you and where you were going to be targeted to some extent because of having some success musically? Hell, yeah.

It's... Yeah, realistically. For sure. Like, if I'm going to the mall or something and somebody see me walking out, they might think I got money and try to follow me and rob me or some crazy shit like that. Some something like that, yeah. But other than that, yeah. Definitely a target, though.

Yeah. Definitely a target. Everybody want to come up. Yeah. We are leaked right now, for sure. That's how it feels? That's what they think. That's what they think.

That's what they think. So are you guys super careful how you move around at this point? Yeah, super careful. Super careful about how we move, what we say, all that. Like, you know, we ain't about to be, you know what I'm saying? We ain't. We don't even post our cars. We didn't do a lot.

We ain't do a lot. They talk a lot. They do a lot. We ain't, I'm just, it's not that serious. You know, it's realer than that. You know, if a niggas just be running his mouth, people talk too much, I think. Yeah, definitely.

And I mean, it's, well, okay, do you have people sort of trying to, You, like, we're talking about using conflict for attention. Do you have other people trying to sort of use you guys's name for attention? Do you have anybody kind of trying to publicly beef with you guys? You ran into that yet? No, people like us. Yeah. People like us.

I feel like we stand-up dudes. That is the weird thing when I'm, like, prying into you guys' careers. I'm kind of like, they seem like they just keep it all pretty positive and stuff, which I'm really not used to from a lot of artists, you know? Like, a lot of artists, they have a whole lot of grimy shit that they talk about. We stand-up dudes. We just rap for the streets, man. We just want people to relate to us and you feel me,

fuck with us and motivate people to even push into that direction too. Like, you know, that's all. We just trying to get some money, bro. We're trying to motivate the-in-me. We're trying to move our mamas into some mansions or something one day. And lead their ass there. For real, that's all I'm trying to do, man. I don't really care about that thing.

Lead their ass there, for real. For sure. Do you guys, do you feel like a group? Do you feel like you guys are much better together than you are on your own? I think we better to be better together. together because we got good energy together, but when he be by himself making the shit that he be

making, I'd be like, bro. So it's like, I don't know. And I'll be making some different type of shit that I wouldn't make. So I would just say we just got good chemistry. We're really brothers. But like he can do his own thing and I can do my own thing

and we can still come together. So we don't never look at it like, oh, we're supposed to be doing this or we're supposed to be doing that. Like we be doing random songs together for the most part. I rap by myself. He rap by itself.

We talk about it every day, shit like that, like, you know, but I don't know it's hard to explain. We hell of different than a lot of motherfuckers. Definitely. I don't think we're,

I don't think we, like, a group. We just, we just brothers. Like, we just brothers. Like, we just root for each other. Hard. And, like, like, he had make a raw song and it just be like,

he don't know who to get on it. I'll be right there. That's just how it'd be. Vice version. by his versa. I make a raw song and just be like, I know he's gonna fit. It don't be like a plan.

Or we be there at the studio together. Our energy together just be crazy. Has there ever been a song though that, like, one of you made and you put somebody else on it instead of the other one? And then you ended up kind of feeling like, fuck, like that was the one. I wish I was on that one.

Nah, we got. We don't feel like that. We don't even be thinking like that, we don't even, yeah, yeah. We don't let the music like. At all, right. Yeah, dictate our, like, fringe. But, like, think about the Migos when they had bad and bougie and Uzi's on it.

And takeoffs not on it. And that's like the biggest song ever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, like, in that kind of situation, it's like, you could just imagine takeoff thing and like, so I've been on 5,000 fucking other songs, but I miss this one. And you put that little pink hair guy on it. I don't think about it like that because, like, said, he make, he make a song and then go up. I feel like it's me.

We on the same. Yeah, like, I feel like that's me. Like, we both on the bus. Because whatever we go. wherever he go i'm gonna go with him wherever i go he's gonna go with me and i was just thinking about that like he got a song a good song that could possibly be a big song with a good artist right now that's you feel me i'm not on no damn i want it to be on that i'm like bro i can't fucking wait till y'all drop that i want to see what that's about to do like you know i'm saying

even if not let's keep going like we don't never bruh is never about that like you feel me we on the same we're together like i don't go fuck who driving this motherfucker we're going to the same location. Same destination. Like for real. Even when he first started going up, I'm like, bro, I'm not to fall back. You got to just go. He's like, nah, bro. We all going. You ain't like that. He never liked it. I said it to him

a hundred thousand times. I'm like, bro, fuck that shit, bro. I'm not, but I don't need to wrap. I was acting like I was too hard. I'm like, I'm really, you know what I'm saying? Feel me? He like, bro. Then I was on a house on house arrest, and I couldn't lead a house, and he was shooting a video. He paid

the cameraman to come to another city to my I was living in Oakland. He paid the cameraman to come to my... I'm like, damn, he really ain't going to count me out. Like, he really going to make sure I'm a part of this. Like, he played this part, bro, and just made sure I found that route. Like, you feel me? And I appreciate him for that, for real.

That's dope. Okay, so we talked a little bit about you, like, you guys getting into music and everything, but did you just keep grinding? Like, how did you ever hit a moment where you're like, okay, we really got something? Like, we can't fuck off on this shit. recently more recently I don't even say that because like probably like our first solo projects like probably like our first solo like my first solo project it did hella good that's what I'm like damn we got to feel me then he

I did that so we put out his first solo project went crazy went crazy and then we both starting to see money like it's just like damn we can really do this we can really make a living and you know it just kept going from there. Now it's just like, we're trying to just figure how to take that next step to get bigger.

Yeah, it's real. Because I see this shit different because when I first got out, it came from, he used to come pick me up. Sometimes I really ain't, I'm talking about no money, like nothing.

Like, he used to be taking me to get some food and shit. We used to just be chilling. He's like, you good with me, bro, like, we're good. Sometimes I just knew, like, if I go with him out, get some food, probably go ride somewhere

or something, go do something. It was that bad, out like you know he'd come get me come on bro we're riding come on come with me here coming me there like let's do this let's do that he used to have to take me to see my p.o wait outside you feel me to court like we was doing it like he was he had my back like you feel me I used to have to borrow $100 here and there sometime you feel me to now like we just be talking about our dreams bruh and we just be living and it ain't about the money but we be bawling out together like you know what I'm saying like and this come from family him half taking

taking care of a nigga, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, just trying to get me right mentally and shit. Now we together, like, you feel me, we both, you know what I'm saying, on the right path. I mean, being at a real low point, like, you're having to do that prison time, and you just basically holding them down during that, and then being at this point, it's got to feel a lot better than, and doing it together versus just getting it is one thing, but if you've kind of, like, seen the lows together as well, that's like a whole different thing. Hell yeah.

What? Hell yeah. He know my mama, I know his mom. What? What? I know what he's been through. I know what I've been through. Everything we lost was the same.

We cried the same tears, bro. Like, for real. Like, we really, like, you know what I'm saying? We really locked in. Like, we really brothers, like, and this shit, that's why we always be saying the music. It ain't going, it wouldn't get in the way or make us. Like, you know what I'm saying?

I could fall off today. I'll be a construction worker still coming to every show he got. He could fall off today. I still, we'd be still together. Like, you know what I'm saying? You're a little bit of becoming a construction worker, though? Not at all. I talk about a job every day.

Ask him. I talk about I work a job. It's crazy. When he first started, like, his first song, his first song video, he did like 100,000 views in a week. He's going to work. I'm like, bro, I'm still going to work. I'm never going to work.

I'm never, I'm never stopped going to work. He's telling me that. I'm like, why don't you see them checks? You're going to stop going to work. My first nice little check was like 20 bands. They gave me dub. And I went straight to work with my dove in my pocket. From the streaming services?

Uh-huh. Wow, really? Yep, I went straight to work. I had 20,000 in my pocket. They were about to damn near, they was about to fire us. It was a program that only lasted a year. It was just to train you basically for probation. For me, they was about to leave us on our ass.

I'm like, I got dub. I ain't never had this much money. I'm good. So when I damn near got fired from the job, it's like the rap shit just fell in my lap. Like, you know what I'm saying? It was like, it was just giving for me stand down. And you know what I'm saying? Even though when I was like I said, I didn't have nothing,

I still used to give everybody their props. Like, you know, I was never a hater. I was never a hater. And then I was excited for motherfuckers to be winning. So I knew it was going to come one day. Right. Definitely. You think you would have kept going to work for a long-ass time if they didn't fire you?

Hell yeah. I was serious about that. I liked it. He had his mind laid up. I looked forward to it. I was the first dude at work every day. It was, I wasn't making no real money. The job wasn't tight.

I was picking up trash on the side of the street with a garbage bag and the vests. I think more the job was more just to keep him like some structure. You feel? Because I ain't ever been able to do nothing. I was in prison working in the kitchen for 10th and hour. Right. Had to do it. So I'm like, bro, when I get out, if I don't work, I work at the dollar store and be the

janitor there. Right. If I had to, like, for real, right now, though. That's why I can't lose. Because as long as I'm free, no matter if I fall off with that, I'm going to get a job at somebody warehouse. I'm about to do something. Like, you know, I'm not, I'm not scared.

I don't care. Like, you know, I can't lose because I'm too determined to work. Like, I'm ready to get physical. I mean, that's a good thing about, like, an actual job is that you have this chunk of eight hours or whatever where you know what you're doing in your time is accounted for and that's kind of the thing that can be shitty about being a rapper is that i mean y'all could go make 10 songs today or you can make zero songs today is really on you and you know it's it's like it's up to you every day you could book a month long tour yeah or you could not it's up to you know you can

make an extra hundred grand this month or you could not it's every it's always up to you with a job you show up you get paid it's over you know that's it you go home at the end we'd be having so much fun though we're making so much music i know people from the outside looking in probably be like timid his beat working but to us it's just so regular like it's just we just do it like it's just a part of our life now i call him re-at the studio i'm call you back feel me it's just regular like i don't know you guys stay in the studio of shitload though because i feel like that's that's the big thing that makes rappers succeed is when they actually take the the craft serious and realize i be if i really make a couple hundred songs i'm gonna be a lot better by the end of those couple hundred songs than

I was at the start, you know? No, for sure. Every song, you definitely get better. When I first used to make music, I was scared to be in there on a microphone. But you was always raw, though. Yeah, but now it's like definitely you get more comfortable. It's like you play basketball. Just keep working.

It's your craft. Who's shown you guys love in terms of the music scene up there and everything? Who's reached out or sort of showing you guys some support? A bunch of people. I got a song with E-40. He called my phone. That was crazy. What was that?

Like, you picked up the phone and he was just on the other land? Hell yeah. He really talked like how he rap, too. I think that happened to me when I was interviewing too short. He just all of a sudden, E40's just on FaceTime,

and I'm like, hello, E40. How are you doing? Yeah. Cool, though. I was like, I always fucked where I am Sue as a kid because I liked how he held it down,

like, on some base shit. Like, when people felt like it was dying out or however they felt about it, like, he was rocking with it, you know? So, like, we was rapping. And I'm like, damn, if I, if I, could get somebody on a song i wanted to be him and he did it for me facetime me rapping the verse i'm

like damn bro like i feel like we're really doing something now these people they recognize as people that we used to like you know acknowledge and get a props to they fuck with us too now we know that whole project with fucking zatovin yeah zay tovina i've never seen that kind of how did that come about uh shit um he from san francisco and gauzy was just trying to bring some unity gazi is uh he from san francisco he wanted to bring like a whole San Francisco album together. Okay. Mm-hmm.

We, like you said, you said we're the hottest in the, so he had to bring us alone. That's crazy because I heard Zay Tovin is the reason why Gucci-Mane did a whole mix-tip with V-Nasty too. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I never knew V-Nasty did a mixtape with Gucci. That's great. That's big.

Bay Area history right there. And never really went anywhere, that tape or whatever. I never really heard much about it afterwards. But then I just remember hearing the reason why Gucci did it was because Zay-Too. Went to him and said, this girl's gonna be huge like you should you should fuck with her you know damn that's what's up zay told him he a real one for sure yo and he's a crazy personality just in the sense that he like

I mean he's just been around all that crazy ass street shit his whole life and he's like a god-fearing man he don't drink he don't smoke he on a he's married no fuck shit he's just the most straight up good dude you ever met your life uh-huh he just be chilling we at the yeah he just be chilling for sure kind of crazy like one of the inventors of trap music basically like just does not want to be in the trap shout out Zaytovin

so somebody else's told me to ask you guys about basically like the stigma of just being a rapper up in the bay in general and it's like the cops look at y'all crazy or like even though you guys are kind of staying out of a lot of that shit. Yeah something happened we're going to be the one

to blame for me that part but other than that like for the most part how we move we don't even be running into them we don't deal with them we can't even tell you how they feel about us for real we be sticking in the movies we're rapping we making our videos we paying our bills taking care of kids and families and that's it for real we like how you said zay tovin is god-fearing man right here that's the goal definitely you bray yeah because i noticed that you guys kind of like stay off social media like not totally stay off it but don't really It seems like you're trying to do the like, nowadays is like you got to be part-time musician,

part-time like social media influencer antics guy, like crazy dude. I don't even know how to do that. Yeah, I don't even know how to do it. They want you to be part-time six-nine with it or some shit. Nah, man, we ain't fucking with it like that. I feel like you got to separate yourself. You ain't even going to see, you ain't even going to see me post my car. I'm driving.

You ain't going to see. Yeah, I've been seeing people doing that. I mean, my more power to you, but your boy ain't doing it. I can't, I don't know. It's just, you know, I don't live for that. I ain't going to post my house. You know, people get a new house. They walk through it.

Somebody just moved out of there. You don't know who just moved out of there. They know exactly where you are. That house is all over the internet. You know what I'm saying? You know, when they were trying to sell it. There's a million pictures of it and walk through. But people don't think that far, though.

Like, feel me? They just be one of the years. Show Instagram. People get shoes and shit. They can't even. What? People can't even get a pair of shoes without posting it. You know what I'm?

Hey, but you get a girlfriend? Try to tell her not to make a YouTube video about showing off your new house because I was kind of like, oh, I don't think we should do this. She's like, I want to show it off. I'm like, all right. You know, I guess we're going to show the house off, but, you know, whatever. It's not feeling it. It was just at a certain point. It's kind of like, I don't know, like, I'm scared about showing off where I live, but it's like, I got to ask myself, like, am I being irrational with feeling like this since you just want to show off, like, the biggest purchase you ever made in your life, you know? Am I acting crazy by like assuming that I have enough

beef that, like, I might not want to do this? I don't even got beef with anybody. Like, I don't know what I'm so worried about. I feel you. But you don't even have to have beat for them. It's crazy people. They have beef with you, just because you get to beat, you get the interview who you want

and you get to do what you do and you in your own world. Like, you know what I'm saying? They like, oh, he thinks he's somebody because he'd be, y'all ain't got nothing to do with y'all. I'm working, you know what I'm saying? But in other people's eyes, they always make it a competition

for no reason when they can't get around you, they find a way to not like you. I noticed that. They can't just be like, he doing this thing. I like that. Like, you know, with me, rappers, I meet rappers, I'd be like, bro, you going crazy, or I would never ask

a, I can't know rapper tell you, I asked them for a feature, except for like DeLo and I am so people I like, you know, but just, I don't just meet people and be like, yeah, bro, we got to do one. Like, you know, you can't. But that's the weird thing is that people will really, like, be a fan of NBA young boy

who they never met in their life and would not fucking look at you if your life depended on it. But then meanwhile, if there's somebody in their town that they, like, went to high school with, it'll be so, and and that person doesn't 100% fuck with them? Or like, if they're looking at you guys, like, oh, he don't really like me, you're the fucking enemy.

Like, even though y'all have something in common, but they want more of you. Like, if you're going to be coming up in that area, they want to have some ownership over your success. And if they can't get it, you know, fuck you. Basically. I don't like him. He changed. Yep. Yep.

Yep. You hear that a lot? What? Everything. Definitely. People we grow up with. Really? Crazy.

Damn, so you see it a lot, interesting. Okay, so in terms of what you guys have playing, in terms of new music and everything like that, like, what's your path going forward? Do you feel like you want to focus on like a big project or are you trying to just go single by single? I think we project type of people. We do good projects. We do good projects.

But I'm working on my project right now. I'm about to be crazy. Trying to get it together for real. He's an animal. Trying to take it to that next level. It's there. Just believe that. And you guys are with Empire?

Empire, yeah. Okay. Distribution to do it with Empire. Big Empire. You're loving it? Yeah, Empire. Shout out. Shout out the Nama and Ghazi, Nima.

Nobody other has any complaints when we talk about them. Come on, man. You can't. How you ever play about Empire? The best place. My whole life, all people do is, complaining about their label. I just want to know why Empire doesn't get that treatment.

Because Empire, they're going to treat you like you are a God in there. You don't, you're going to go to the studio. It's backwards. It's every snack you could think of. They're cooking nine course meals. Br, it's the, bro, what? The Empire is life, bro. I love Empire, bro.

I feel like the big labels, you don't really understand what you're going into. Like, Empire, you go in. you can like they give you a contract you can understand you don't even really need a like you should get a lawyer for sure but you can really understand what's going on and how you getting your money like you know what I'm saying so I feel like that's reason why they're trying to sneak attack you he gonna keep it real bro this business like you know it ain't you know what I'm saying straight up whatever it is straight forward and as people them dudes is hella cool Ghazi and Nima and Ari and all the dudes what like we got a real friendship like family for sure that's what i'm saying like gazi he treat me like i'm his little brother like feel me that dude love me bro i fuck with that dude bro like for real bro they i love empire bro that shit like going to your hood or something when you go to the studio for sure it's hell of fun we shooting basketball we eating good fear me we snacking we making good music we ain't even knowing we make hit records we cracking jokes way it's live at empire bro i love that shit man

i'm sold let's go sign me up for real for real I'm making it too. Real. I'm telling you. Fuck, yeah. Okay. So anything else that we should cover? Anything in particular that you guys want to let the world know about what you all got planned?

We just want to let y'all know, man. We don't, we ain't entertaining none of that fake ass shit. You feel me? We differing, man. We having fun, taking care of the family. God-fearing men. We love y'all. You like that expression.

I love that. There's your tape. Next tape. God-fearing men. I'm telling you. That sounds kind of hard. That sounds so positive. brad, just give me the chills.

Actually, yeah, now that I think about it, no, that's too positive. That's not a good album title. It sounds like a gospel album. Say that and they'd be talking about popping somebody on assing. Yeah, yeah. They don't be like, he's faking. It's got to have, like, if that's going to be the title, you've got to have like an evil-ass color.

You know, you got to, in rap, you always got to balance a good with the bed. Yeah, you definitely got to balance. They don't want too much positivity ever. I don't want to hear some ignorant shit. No, you just got to stick a move, you know? They like that dumb shit. That's why like, if you look at it, like, I should write an article about this at one point, but in my mind, like, I've seen so many rap bars that are like some of the best,

most thoughtful, emotional rap bars ever, and there's usually a bar after it that is something like, but I will still shoot you. Like, that's just kind of like every great rapper kind of knows that they can give you something deep or entertaining or, you know. But then they got to kind of pull it back to them. Yeah. You got to get retarded a little. Just at least a bit, you know, just to keep him reminded.

Like, this ain't no games. Nah. It's saying it ain't sweet. That's why I like, what's the name? What's Bradford in the City, 24-Kare-Golting? He'll be talking shit in his little song sometime. Sometimes. He'd be saying some nice shit, bro.

Like, he's different. I like that dude. No, he's good. He's such a fucking great person, too. He gets tight, right, rare. He got the energy. I feel like right away like that, too. They'd be talking that shit.

Soulful, but then he also would tell you. Y'all want to do a song with 24-carad golden? I'll do something He's a good dude for sure I'm gonna make that happen That could be you guys That could be you guys he's like Hmm okay

We could push that Okay I'll have right way for us too I don't know if I got that one All right Appreciate you guys This is a good one Stay bang

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