No Jumper - Tion Wayne on Having the First UK Drill Song to Go #1, Dubai Airplane Fight, Prison & More

Episode Date: January 18, 2023

Tion Wayne speaks about his rise, growing up in London, Pop Smoke, investing in his music, how his life changed since and more. ----- 00:00 Intro 0:05 Tion on if he feels like he's the hottest rapper in the UK 2:30 Tion breaks down growing up in North London and when he started to take music seriously 4:20 Tion on how the UK Drill scene helped the region be more noticed commercially 6:10 Tion talks Pop Smoke coming to the UK and music helping the two countries connect more 9:15 Tion on his first few songs that blew up that happened to transcend different era's in UK rap 11:00 Tion on how his first songs he made with Russ Millions went platinum and shying away from promoting the wrong things in his music 14:20 Tion on always believing in a song and put money behind it, like his song "Body" 15:50 Tion on how he feels about people monetizing things he did in the streets when he was younger on YouTube 19:20 Tion on the thin line between representing where he's coming from and doing things to gain attention for the wrong reasons 21:05 Tion stands on his statements of not needing recognition from the U.S. to make it 23:50 Tion on how he linked up with Fivio Foreign on the "Body" Remix 26:00 Tion talks about ArrDee and Central Cee 28:00 Tion on making music with artists in other countries that don't speak English 28:40 Tion talks about how his life has changed after acquiring fame and how security has changed 30:20 Tion on if having songs that already went mainstream affects his creative process in the studio 32:00 If he feels like he's more concerned since gaining so much attention and some officers even being a fan of his music 33:00 Tion talks not growing up around a lot of w people, but having a lot of w fans 34:45 Tion on how he was able to get his accounting degree, how the Nigerian culture really emphasized education and always wanting to start his own accounting firm 37:45 Tion on what made him want to incorporate iShowSpeed in one of his music videos and speaks on KSI pivoting from streaming to music 39:50 Tion gives Giggs his flowers for kicking down doors 41:45 Tion speaks on the police setting up a fake recording studio as a sting in his hood 43:30 Tion gives his advice to any artist who is in the position he was in 10 years ago 45:50 Tion speaks on getting into it on a plane in Dubai 47:45 Tion talks new music, releasing a mixtape soon and working with Blxst ----- NO JUMPER PATREON http://www.patreon.com/nojumper CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_... CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz  Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast on the world. And today we got Tion Wayne in the building. Can you just pull the mic in? Yeah, just slide it in a little bit. Sorry. How you doing, man? Chillin, my guy. Chillin, man.

Good to be here, you know. Yeah. I'm excited to have you here. I've been informed by multiple sources that you're the hottest rapper in the UK. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You wear that with pride or you kind of begrudgingly taking that? Yeah, I like the people, like the people, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah. I'm doing my, I'm doing my little. I mean, I'm sure there's other people who are in the conversation and stuff. But, you know, I know quite a few people who are very knowledgeable about it, and they all had nothing but high praise when I reached out to him and told them we were doing this. Oh, yeah, come on here, no, I do my little thing, man.

Yeah, definitely. Yeah, man. How do you feel about, like, where you're at in your career at this point? Like, what brings you to L.A. Because you're kind of taking new steps in your career that you haven't necessarily before, right? Yeah, no, it's a blessing to be here. Big out of the team, big up Atlantic.

I'm helping me get over here to work and that. And it's just like, you know, I've just done a lot of stuff in my career. And it's just, like, I wanted to just, like, listen to some new beats, you know, get some new sound. Right. You know, the culture is different in America, a little bit. It's a lot different from the UK. So it's just like, I wanted to branch out, you know, because you never know. Like, music is just –

I'll just pull that in a little bit more. Sorry. Yeah, yeah. Music is just sometimes it's random, you know. Like, I just go where, where, like, I'm feeling inspired, you know what I'm saying. So right now I'm in L.A. Right. But, I mean, that's what's interesting, being, like, a UK.

rappers, it feels like so much of it is based on where you're from and your roots and like how real of a person you are. And isn't there something like inherently about LA that's just fake? And like I feel like that's kind of like the connotation to a lot of people is like like, like, even if you film the video out here, don't you feel like it would be a little hard for your fan base to take that? Yeah, I don't, I wouldn't really, it depends what kind of vibe I'm going for, you know? If I'm doing like a little holiday vibe with a girl or something, then maybe. But like, no, I think my fans like it more, like where I'm from, like my culture, like, more in the UK, like, you know what I'm saying?

Right. I feel like the UK fans just want you to be like a true citizen of what they believe in. Yeah, yeah. You're right or not? You're right. That's good though, man. I met, I met up with H. and A.J. Tracy and they did a video here, but it was all in a warehouse. So you couldn't.

Because at first I was thinking, like, nobody wants to see them rapping with palm trees and a fucking red, yeah, and like a red curb and like all the shit that looks super L.A., you know? Like that's just a weird look for a UK rapper sometimes, I think. Yeah, yeah, it's different. It's not as maybe to the fans as authentic as they would like it to be. But yeah, man, you see me. I'll just go wherever.

I'll just feel the vibe, man. And then naturally things happen, man. Right, definitely. So, okay, let's talk about your upbringing, though. Like, what was your childhood like? And what area? You grew up in North London? Yeah, North London.

I'm from North London. Yeah, man, just grew up in North London, Edmont. That's my area. And they're just like, yeah, like, went school and that. I had me and my guys like doing our little thing back in the day, trying to let's like make our way out, like make our own money, like, got ourselves in a bit of trouble.

So you know in the UK, like when you're getting something in a bit of trouble, it's harder to like, it takes a while for your record to like, let you like do something things. So it's like, luckily I started doing the music, music started working for me. Because, okay, what age would you say that you actually fully started trying to rap because you've been at this for a long time yeah not for a long time but you know what you see back in the day in the UK it's like um when we when I started music anyway

like there wasn't really no money in the game it was just like it was a hobby and it's like everyone that was making music in the UK back in the day it's like like like if if we was paid it was like you know we was paid like from the streets like what like that was paid from like a tune that so just like because this is a pre-drill yeah this is it pre-jord rap Yeah, road rap. We had Afro swing as well. Right. Yeah, we had Afro swing.

Like, all the people that, like, the streets are listening to, like, we were all making our money, like, from, from, like, the road stuff. Like, weren't really, like, from music. So it's like, I wouldn't say, like, obviously, it was just my passion then. It was my passion. It was like, yo, I love music, like. And, like, I just feel like I got a talent. I was thinking about this a lot when I was kind of doing some research and stuff.

It feels like in a way the UK's hip-hop scene, like it wasn't really 100% till drill until it really took on this crazy life of its own in a way. Or would you say that that was kind of true during like the Grime era and all this stuff many years before as well? Yeah, well, in what sense? So you're saying in like like...

Like, okay, I'll say this as a blanket statement. I think for any city to develop like a real true regional style and to be known as like a hip-hop hub, Like Chicago had a bunch of cool rappers, but it wasn't until drill came out of Chicago that people finally looked at Chicago as like a real player in the music game. And I kind of feel like when UK drill really hit, that kind of like just it took UK rap to a whole different level. Yeah, yeah. No, I definitely played this part, man. But obviously, like, I can't forget that the people that came back before, like, the grime scene was big.

Like, we had people that skipped to our. And obviously, Giggs was doing the road rap, but they were like kind of like the first ones. to put their foot through the door, like, and cross over. Obviously, we had other artists that were, like, doing some stuff crossing out of the UK, but I wouldn't say that it was like, their music was like more catered to, like, the masses. Like, it was like, what do you call?

What do they call it over here? Like, commercial, more commercial, but like, no, we had people that was coming through, but definitely with the UK drill scene now, it's like, it's like a sound that we, that is like, just the UK has and it's like, it's getting more recognised on a global scale. Right.

So it's definitely played his part. Because I feel like once the UK started influencing America, that's when you really knew that they have fully come of age. Because, you know, when you listen to New York drill, and it's like very, very derivative in a lot of ways, it's like, or even I had Ron Suno in here earlier and I told him I was interviewing you. And him and his boys were hyped.

They were like, oh, he's the one with that fucking body sign. He's hard, you know. That means a lot to, like, me as somebody who's kind of always been observing the UK scene and everything. I'm saying like that's important. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really important. I thought that was a big moment, man.

Like, the New York and London thing, like, I feel like that's kind of like when things started, like, getting more, more closer together. Like, obviously, I feel like pop's more pay the big part in that. True. You know, he came to the UK and he just, he linked up with a lot of people. He didn't link up with me, but, like, linked with a lot of people. You know what I'm saying?

Right. Obviously, I recognize it. Like, it's like, yo, like, I remember me and M24, we dropped a song and then just like straight after the song, him and pop linked up. So, I just feel like, yo, like, Them times, like, yo, when the UK and the US was kind of making that link for the UK to cross over more to the US, I feel like it's just been going upwards from then, you know what I'm saying?

Definitely. So your early days rapping, though, is there anybody in particular who kind of like helped you get into the process of recording and stuff? Are you really, like, rapping on the block for years and years before you go into it? I was definitely rapping on my blog for a while. But, like, obviously, I was inspired by, like, the oldest from my area, like, some of the OGs. like we had that scorcher in our area. Like he was doing that big back in the day like he was doing big so just like

I was inspired to like yo let me do it for my generation. You get what I'm saying? So when I started doing it for my generation and I started getting a recognition it's like in UK like it's like if you have like one rapper from like from a block

like it's just like it kind of just helps the whole batch like to just like have a lane to just come out of the area like you know what I'm saying so like that guy for my generation but like the generation before they had scotcher you get what I'm saying

So Scotter definitely, like, motivated me to get into it. But, like, there was a bunch of people that was inspired by, like, globally, 50 cent. All these men, like, I was definitely just looking at them and just like, yo, I was thinking, like, yo, this is what I want to do, do you know what I'm saying? Right. I mean, there's something so different about how rappers' careers get built in the UK, where somebody like you could be, like, grinding and steadily building a fan base and getting more and more respect over the years.

And then you have, like, a big blowout hit, and that takes you to more of, like, a mainstream level. And in America, it sometimes feels like a rapper comes out. And like if they don't become huge within like the first six months, then everybody just kind of moves on and they're on to the next rapper. And it's way and it kind of says something about the culture in general. Because, you know, England loves, you know, I don't even know how to phrase it. They love a come-up story.

They love institutions. Yeah, okay, okay. They respect it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they appreciate the steady come up that sometimes America is so fast-paced that we sort of have lost track of that. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, the UK, no, they love a come-up story in the UK. So it's just like, even a lot of people, a lot of times when I stumble across the up-and-coming artists, like, it's just good to see, like, the people in the comments that are just like, this guy's going to blow soon. Like, we can't wait to this guy gets recognized. And I just like, I remember those days when I was getting them comments. Like, it's like, I had a batch of fans that, like,

knew I was going to do something. So it's like, yo, like, when people come up in the UK, the fans are very supportive. It's just like, obviously, I don't know if it's something. It's a global thing that when a lot of people make it, like, a lot of people, like, they find it harder to, like, relate to the artist. So it's just about keeping that connection with your fans and your good, man, for me. Right.

So, okay, but, like, early on, how did you even start catching a buzz? Or, like, what was the first songs that kind of got people excited about you? You see, with me, I feel like I've had, like, because I've been in a game for a while. A lot of people, like, they don't really know. Like, I feel like I've had, like, two errors of, like, like, bangs, like, where, like, you are blown up in this era, and then, like, I've blown up. up again in a new era now. So just like, back in a day, I had a song

called Can't Go Broke. And it was like, that was like fucking it up in the universities and the streets like, and I was like, I've generated a good buzz from that. But then obviously I went jail for a bit, came out. And then I wasn't as buzzing as like, I was in it. And like, I wouldn't even say I wasn't as buzzing. A lot of people were still rocking with me.

But it was like, the scene started to cross over when I was inside. Like a lot of people started having chart success. Right. Back in the day, we weren't having chart success. It was just like, we were just doing it as a hobby, and it was just like, we had the streets in it. So a lot of people started having chart success

and then I had no chart success, but I was still a real recognised rapper, like, because everyone knew about me from before. So then Keisha Becky came out around them times. I had options, I was on options, I'm chewing NSG. And those are like the two moments when I started getting the chart success. And instead of just been known as a road street rapper,

it was like, yo, man's got the crossover commercial, like, we had like the first draw top 10, you know what I'm saying? Me and Russ, obviously, we linked up with H and 31, you know what I'm saying? So, like, that's when I started having, like, the, you know what I'm saying? The real, the real buzz, the body that pays. So you guys, that was the first drill song that reached the top 10, or was it number one? That was the first I reached top 10.

That's Keisha Becky. Body, we had the first number one as well, me and Ross. That actually is fucking crazy. Yeah, we had the first top 10 and then we had the first number one, me and Russ, yes. That says a lot about just, like, how big the market has gotten and how many fans they're really are for this shit. Yeah, yeah. It's crazy. It's like every time me and Ross linked up, like, we linked up twice, it's that's been massive. Like, we were the first platinum drill. Like, and then like, even when we don't body, like, Ross was saying, like, it's going to be

another platinum. Like, it's just like, we're number one in UK, Australia, double platinum, you know? But those songs are that big and those are the only songs you've made together? And it just worked out like that? Or did you make 10 songs together and those were just the best one? And they're just like, both of them just connection. That's actually crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's It just seems like impossible. Because like, I don't know, that body sign, I just been listening to it all fucking day. And it's just something about it is so infectious.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that was definitely the tune that like, gave us like a global, a global success, you know what I'm saying? We went platinum in Canada. So that was getting closer to like the hole, you know what I'm saying? So that that's definitely like the UK drill, that it definitely like started pushing more globally. But a lot of people in the UK might not see that as like,

the UK dual scene, they might see it as a more a commercial drill from because you see when me and russ do drill we talk about girls we make it more of a vibe for the masses you know what i'm saying right so it's like a lot of people might just might just say like oh the drill scene is like like that shoot shoot stab like right that kind of stuff like you know what i'm saying so but it's like that's definitely the first tune that like started like making a way in drill globally but how did your mind state change over time because i'm guessing that when you first got into making music that representing where you were from and talking about what you had been through was like a big part of why you were making music.

And now it's like you can make music and make millions of dollars and become famous, which is way different, right? Yeah, yeah, it's way different. But you know what it is? I just try and stay grounded because you know when I start thinking about the money and that, like, it might affect the music. So I try not to think about the money. I just think about like, what's my message today?

Like, yo, I want to say this. My want to tell the people this. You know what I'm saying? I want to try and keep out a story. Like even when I'm making songs like Buddy, I'm saying stuff on there that's just like, making my fans realize like yo man's on this level now remember when we was here like like like like look we've come up like i'm here now you got i'm saying so it's like um yeah my man just try and stay grounded when i'm in the studio and just because i can i want to keep a connection with my

friends do you think do you think that you've grown at like the current success of your experience do you think that that's because of your growth as like a songwriter and a rapper primarily like do you feel like you've just gotten drastically better at the actual craft of making a song yeah i definitely I really feel like practice makes perfect for me. Like, because I've been in a game so long, like I feel like, yo, like, my ability to hear, hear a hit or make a hit, like, it's a bit more advanced than a lot of people,

like, in my opinion, do you know what I'm saying? Like, I just feel like, that's one of my specialities, like, like, just making a smash that, like, can just, can just fuck up the whole streets, you get what I'm saying? Because, like, before you, I even had, um, Buddy and Kisha Beki, that had, I don't know,

I had, like, a few tunes in that lane, that was just like kind of really like like like messing up the streets all over Europe. So it's just like, yeah, definitely feel like practice me. It's perfect. And it just like, man can, man can know when it's that time. Yeah. And you guys really go above and beyond with the videos too. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because I notice a lot of times as you guys it'll be like a giant fucking warehouse, a million foreign car. Like you just really go above and beyond for that shit. It's like, is that part of the mentality, though, if you really believe in a song, you've got to put money behind us so the video looks professional? Yeah, yeah. That's always my mentality because it's like, I always say to my guys, like, because a lot of my guys make music as well,

like, always say to them like, yo, when you finish the track and it's a banger, it's a hit, that's your 40%, that's your 40% done. You still got 60% of work to mash. Right. Like, your video needs to bring your song to, bring your tune to live. So it's just like, even when I made body, for example, yeah? Like, I was just, I just got signed at the time, in it? I just got, in my record deal.

And it was like, it was one of the first songs I made when I got signed. And it's like, the label weren't 100% if about me dropping a song. So I was like, oh yeah, I'm gonna drop this song independent. You know what I'm saying? So I've had to pay for the video out my own pocket and it's like, I could have easily just got and got like a handheld and just done it for like five grand like, but like I spent like a 40 grand like a 40,000. So even after you sign you still got to keep investing in yourself. Yeah, you got to keep investing.

So it's like, man's been 40 grand in the video, we've done all them transitions and it's like, yo, the transitions is what blew up the song. Because the people started doing the transitions on TikTok. Oh, okay, like the part where like you're like, you're like, doing a dance and then the outfit changes and all that kind of shit. We were like one of the first transitions like, that Russ came in the video and it's like, he's done the hand movement and then all the man them came behind him in the video.

Right. And then everyone went on TikTok and started doing the exact same thing from the video. Yeah. Was that dance going crazy too though? Yeah, yeah. I don't want to do it, but. Something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it was going crazy. So that, yeah, no, that was definitely a moment, man. So like, yeah. Right. Yeah, man. Yeah, but I mean, okay, so I probably wouldn't even know about so much of like, like things that maybe you had been involved with in the streets and stuff. But a lot of these YouTubers are hell bent on documenting the fuck out of this.

So, I mean, how does that feel to sort of like, you're reaching these new heights in your career, but there are definitely people online who want to monetize making sure that everybody else out there knows about everything that you've ever got into throughout your younger days. Yeah. You know what? Like, I try sometimes not to like, like, get too deep into listening to them things

because sometimes I just feel like, You know, like they might make a mistake or they're saying that they're mistelling something and they're just giving a wrong impression about people and it's like a lot of people will make a judgment of someone, yeah, without even knowing them, like, do you know what I'm saying? So it's like, yeah, it don't piss me up because, like, I can't knock a hustle, in it?

Like, if someone's hustling, I respect it, like, I'm a hustler myself. Right. So it's like, when I see people monetising off of it, yo, I don't blame them, do your thing. Like, I'm a happy guy, like, I'm doing my thing, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't mind anyone doing anything.

Like, maybe I'll be looking at things different if I was still on the block, like. Right. But it's like, I got a better understanding of a lot of things now because my career is going the way I wanted to go. But it's one thing if they're telling your story accurately, it's another thing if you felt like it was just like, you know, a million views on a video that was full of bullshit. Do you feel like you're mostly represented fairly in this type of thing? I don't know. I don't know.

Like, you can't really be, they can't ever be spot on. Do you know what I'm saying? So, like, I don't really look too deep into it. I just let the people just decide on what they feel. I'm saying, but it's like, yeah, now, sometimes I stumble across things and I just laugh it. It's actually funny, like, just to see, like, how deep people have got into these things when I just think, like, yeah, like, but, like, my thing is just like, sometimes when I look at it, I just feel like, yo, like, bro, like, man, that shit, he came up, like, you know what I'm saying?

Because it's, like, because I'm just looking at the way that they're going back to things and I'm just looking like, that shit, like, I'm glad I'm here, like, and I'm not, I'm not on the other end of the story, do know what I'm saying? Right, definitely. Because, I mean, your mind state must have just changed so much from, you know, back in the day. Like when you went to a prison, when you got locked up, did that fundamentally change how you thought about your life and everything? Was that like a big turning point? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely gave me some hunger, man. Gave me a lot of hunger. And it like, it set me back

a lot, you know, like, I couldn't travel, like, certain places for a while, like, I had to get some really, I had to get really look deep into things to get things sorted up. And it's just like, yo, like, when I was, when I was in myself and all we can do is listen to radio and watch TV. And that shit was just torturing me because it's just like, I'm seeing all the people that weren't as big as me when I went inside blowing up. Really? And I'm happy for them, but I'm just looking at it like,

shit, where's my time? Like, that's why when I see people come out of jail now and have success that they deserve pot of papers, Rimsey, these people from the UK, I'm just happy for them because I'm just thinking like, yo, like, we were like one of the first guys like back in the day to do our thing. So like, when I was inside, I was just motivated.

I was thinking like when I come out, like, I need to actually take this music from me because it's like, I was making money in prison from music. And that's when I realized, hold in a minute, like, you know, like, this can be a man's job, like. So when I came out, yeah, I had a different type of hunger. Like, I knew I had to make this work for me.

So I don't, I'm not on the streets. And it's like when I came out, that's when I had the, just the wave of hit, hit, hit, hit, hit. And I came out, because I just, I was motivated by seeing everyone do their thing. You just got focused. I had to focus on it. Yeah, man.

Definitely. So is it a blurry line for you between like representing where you come from and You know versus like you know sort of intentionally affiliating yourself with stuff that maybe the law could see as you know Gang related or whatever because I noticed in some of your videos certain colors that you guys are very prominently displaying and everything And I just assume for you that that might be kind of tricky like you know on one hand you want to represent where you're from But then on the other hand I know that those cops in the UK are fucking and insane with what they will get your ass for. Yeah, yeah, no, the police in the UK, they don't play. I feel like out here it's starting to get more like that,

where they're taking down videos for like harassment and shit when it's like gnarly gang disc type stuff. We've seen a little bit of that. Yeah, yeah, but like you see me, like, when I'm doing my videos, I'm just trying to just like, just do, like, just represent. I'm not even trying to like, like, put across a message that's going to, like, make the youth, the youth want to do certain things. I say like, yo, like, I'm happy I'm in this life.

Like, you know what I'm saying? And it's like, people, what the police need to look at? People that need to look at is like, yo, like, a lot of people are getting off the streets because there's a rapper from the area that's doing good, like. A lot of people would have been dead, like, or a lot of people would have just been in prison. Like, if there wasn't this guy from the area that started getting in the radio, making charts, like, now you've got a manager, now you've got someone that's into, So we've got links with record labels or off the back of one rapper.

You know what I'm saying? So it's like, yo, like, I just feel like everyone should just look at it as like, yo, this is just like positive for these guys to come out of where they're coming from and do something positive with their life, you know what I'm saying? Right. Yeah. All right. So this is a tweet.

When are we going to stop looking for validation from the USA over here? Can we stop and just do our own thing? If they rate, we appreciate you feel me? I thought that was. Oh, what did I say that? Yeah. It might have been a little while back. I actually screenshot it from a YouTube video. I stick by that. I stick by that. Obviously, big up, I'm going to love for having me here, man. But you know what? Like, you see me? Like, I'm from Edmonton. Like, I don't know how to put it. Like, like, we don't, we don't, we don't beg it. Like, I don't come up off, like, begging it. Like, everything is just natural.

Right. So I just feel like, yo, when the U.S. want to take the U.S. want to listen to the U.K., or if the U.S. want to listen to the U.K. It's naturally, don't listen to us. Like, it's not like before where we need the USA to, like, validate us. Like, you could be big in Europe now, and it's like, you're making the same amount of, having the same amount of success as the U.S. rappers having over this side just from having Europe, you know what I'm saying? The thing that's going to blow you up is just being the realist version of whatever you are. And there's been multiple times where I've seen, you know, UK rappers get features from USA, rappers from the U.S., and I'll watch it, and it just doesn't feel right. And it's just super obvious that this is not an organic. hang out and I don't I the the UK fan base are the most you know aware people on earth they are

not falling for the bullshit they know what they're fucking looking at yeah yeah yeah so like that's what I'm saying man just naturally like um like yo like obviously man listen to US music my rock with the US but it's just like you know you just naturally if the US is rocking with us it's love like we're rocking with you too you know it's just like I never I never feel like the US the UK need to look at US as like Yo, okay, we need to do this because the US is doing this. Like, yo, we got our own culture. Like, I've come out here now and I've seen it as well.

It's like, it's so different in London than it is from out here. Like, it's very, way different. Biggest differences. Biggest differences to me. The roads are a lot wider. Cars are a lot bigger. The roads are wider. You know what?

I'm in LA. I feel like the food's better. The hood food anyway. Even a, even a food like in the uptown, like, like, I feel like you can. We don't eat beans for breakfast. Yeah, I noticed that. You guys got better candy. The room service, the room service is moving mad on me when I asked them for beans, like.

Oh, man. I just saw on Postmates that there was like a spot that had a good old-fashioned UK breakfast, and I was just like, oh, fuck. I mean, I'm sure it's trash from your standards, but I did see one that had it, and it kind of tripped me out. That's not even supposed to exist out here. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes the UK breakfast hits, man, without the pork off.

Oh, I love it. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes it hits, man. It hits. Yeah, when I'm out there, that's all. all I mean. Oh, yeah. Well, every day at least.

Yeah, yeah. I don't blame you, my guy. Whenever possible. How'd you link with Fabio Forrin to get him on the body remakes and everything like that? Man, man, I've been chatting to Fabio recently. It's over. Hopefully we've got something new coming soon for you, lot. But it's just like, just naturally, man.

Like, he's just rocking with a tune. Like, you get what I'm saying? He's just like, he sent over his verse. Like, I think it was in like a day after. You know what I'm saying? Like, we wanted him to come to the UK to do his scene, but at the time, he couldn't make it at the time. So he's done his scene over, over hair, in it?

just naturally, man, the sun came out and it just blew up, like, on a madness. I don't think anyone knew it was going to blow up on that level. Right, yeah, because the remix ended up doing, like, three or four times as many YouTube views as the original. As original, it's crazy. It's crazy. Yeah, but obviously, like, the TikToks were just doing a madness,

and obviously R.D jumped under it. Was that one of the first times people saw RD? Yeah, he had these freestars that were doing some stuff. Right. But I feel like on a mass scale, that's the tune that definitely gave. gave him a lot of people knowing about him. Right, yeah.

So I had a few people mention that to me of, like, ask him how he got familiar with R.D. Because apparently some people thought that you guys were kind of unlikely to see together. You know what, bro? You see me, bro. I'm just a fan of music. I wanted to pre-haul, like, me and him sort of chatting. Because I remember we spoke on it on Instagram. Early, early on.

But, like, it was just natural, bro. I'd seen him. I'd seen him. That's what happened. I'd seen him out. Like, I was out with my friends. And, like, you know, in UK, we had a ski. mask and that um going around and like i was going into some hotel like and he was booked into the same

hotel and he had his freestyle just like making waves on the on the on the on the on the streets at the time yeah and they're just like i'm coming to the hotel and he's with his people and he's just like he's a bit scared to see us like the laws of us guys yeah with our ski marsh yeah and then i was the one that came out to all he took off my mouth and they're like you're doing your thing like it's love and then just naturally we started dming each other on the instagram off of me in off in that in that in that hotel and then body came out the original was going crazy. Then I just said, like, yo, like, stare. Like, how do you come hop on, man?

We're doing the remix, like. I feel like that kid really blew up off of just being really, really good at rapping. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know? That verse was definitely iconic. It was like one of them iconic verses. Like, the stuff he said in it,

it was just so, like, it caught on, so good. Right. That verse goes crazy. I see him performing that verse all over the way. I see my rolling loud in Canada. The verse was going mad out there. Right. You know what I'm saying?

So, it was just so natural. And then that song just came and just done what it did. But does it surprise you at all? Like I was kind of surprised when I realized the H was really blowing up just because, you know, I hadn't really, I'm probably forgetting, but I hadn't necessarily seen like a just like a cool, chill-ass white kid come up out of the UK scene like that. And then to see R.D. come up a couple years later, I was like, oh, shit, all right. So they're actually like letting white boys through the door here. Because I'm going to be real with you in America. I mean, you got like a Jack Harlow, but it's pretty rare that like, especially on more of like a street type of, you know, not that those do.

of rapping like super gangster shit. But like on that kind of category, a rapper, you don't see a lot of white guys really getting respect out there. Yeah, yeah. But you know what the thing is about H&RD? They're both actually good, in it? And they're real, like real, likable kind of dudes, you know? And they're not trying to like have like a fake persona,

like, trying to be like, oh, like, someone that they're not. Like, they're just being themselves, like. Right. And just naturally, like, people just are gonna be drawn to that, do you know what I'm saying? So like, yeah, man, like, the UK just, when anything sounds good and they thought, they feel like if someone's talented,

they're gonna cut through, man, matter what they are black or white it's cool yeah gonna cut through definitely you're a central C fan too yeah big up century doing his thing man definitely right kicking down some doors his managers my good friend we grew up together same area right that has been pretty wild to see he I think he's the first uh UK rapper we got a lyrical lemonade video and shit like that yeah yeah yeah no it's good to see man I just feel like um it's just like that's just another example of how like the UK is just like kicking down the door on a wider scale now that so when I see Central doing what he's doing I'm just like yeah like

It's all part of the buildup. You know what I'm saying? Songs like Boddy, songs like Keisha Becky back in the day, even songs that came up from the Grime era. I feel like this all played a part in like us getting to where we are now. I've seen him doing songs with Italian rappers as well, which I thought was pretty interesting. Have you, like, gone to other parts of Europe

and do you feel like when you're on a song with somebody who's not speaking the same language as you, did the fans just not care at this point? You know, I just feel like it's just a joining of the fan bases. Like even we link to. up with some Italian, we linked up with Rondo Italian Repres and Capo Plaza. Right. And that went mad as well.

That's got like, 7.8 Amazon, yeah. On a, on a YouTube, it's just like, a lot of people like Europe, a lot of people like the Europe link up, a lot of people, fans in Europe, listen to rap in general. So that was only right that eventually, like, everyone started linking up with each other. And it's just like, naturally, whoever links up with who, things are going, well, for the Europe scene, you know what I'm saying? So it's good, man.

It's good to see. Definitely. So how has your life changed? in terms of like how you move around and like I'm assuming you don't live in like the same place that you were living in a couple years ago like you must have like different security concerns

and all that kind of stuff at a certain point right? Yeah, yeah. No, you see me like that was always my plan but like growing up like I wanted to I wanted to move out of the area I wanted to make sure my mom was in a nice area as well so it's like yo as soon as I started making the money I wanted to

I was house searching but obviously I'm very picky in it so like I knew I didn't want to be in the area but I just didn't know what house I wanted to eventually I found a nice low-key one out of the area like so now when I'm in the UK I'm even in London like that

I'm only going to be in London for work and it's just like I finally get that peace of mind where I can go around I ain't got to worry about no issues and that's just that was always the plan part of the plan just to just stay away and make my music and just do my business ideas

and just cut through man that's me for sure but do you feel like you lose anything by not being in that environment as much or, you know, as a rapper, it sometimes feels like certain rappers, like, that's kind of like their fuel

of, like, what they rap about. Yeah, you know what it is? I'll never be disconnected, though. Like, I'm going to be 50, and I'm still going to be connected to this thing. So, like, it's like, I might have a, like, my friends, like, we don't change up, like, I'm still locked in,

and obviously we've got, like, new generations from an area that are trying to come up and cut through. So it's like, yo, man's always locked in. Do you know what I'm saying? So it's like, I'm never really going to, going to dilute because it's just like, yo I'm still

amongst these things around these things and I still see people in the position I used to be in that and I'm trying to help my people get to where I am so we can all be good together you know what I'm saying? Right but like okay now that you've had gigantic radio hits and shit

does it sometimes change the way you feel when you go in the studio are you not necessarily thinking about you know making like more street type songs or do you feel you still have to like satisfy that part of what your audience wants to hear from you yeah no I'll be lying if I didn't go in the studio and I didn't hear a beat and say oh yeah this this sounds like I'm gonna

get a lot of money like I'm saying so just like obviously like like I said to you like I just do whatever feels natural at the time do you know what I'm saying that if I hear a beat or if I'm feeling the vibe of producers making that just makes me want to talk about it's something something that people can relate to from a come up then I'll do that now I'm sure you've been in the studio I heard five million of the same fucking drill beat like like at a certain point does it just you hear it yeah bro you know what you know what It's just get boring to you? It's getting boring.

It's getting boring. People need to just try and bring a twist and switch it up a bit. But like, yeah, man, no. When the beats good, I'm all over it. I'm all over it. Do you feel like more like the sound is going towards, like more samples in the beats and more like lighthearted sounds as opposed to just the straight like end of the video game boss music?

Yeah, I feel like a lot of the samples is coming in now because it's like it's just making a gap between the commercial crowd and the streets, linking it like so it's just like yo you got the drill beat for the for the streets and then you got the sample for the masses you whack it into one and it's like right a lot of people are hitting that like um but as long as you're you're making a track that's authentic to yourself it like you can't go wrong man that's that's how i see it right definitely so do you feel like the cops are like way more concerned about you now that you're seeing the success or does it feel like you're kind of being allowed to do your thing like the way like i'm had any encounters

with a, well, I feel like, I don't know what to say because the ones that I grew up seeing, I ain't really seeing them, you know what I'm saying? But I just feel like, like there's a lot of cops, like, I'm saying cops, I'm talking like you lot now. There's a lot of police that's like,

right. There's a lot of police that, like, talk about you lot. There's a lot of police that, like, there might be a fan of me now, it's changing, like, there's police that listen to me now, like, so when I, when I, when I get stopped by a police officer,

So, for example, like, they might just, they just have a fan of my music. Like, so sometimes I get the respect. Well, sometimes you might have, like, one of the old school police officers that are a bit more, like, they don't like to see a black man doing his thing, like, but, like, yo, like, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that they're all like that as a whole, you know what I'm saying? Like, everyone's got different, like, perspective on what I'm doing, do you know what I'm saying? Did you grow up around a lot of white people? No, no, no, a lot of my, but you know what?

I see my school was kind of mixed. Right. So it's like, um, you. Yeah, we were like, like, like, I grew up around a lot of black people, but like, my school had a lot of white people that were... I'm just wondering how your success has kind of maybe like changed your view on other cultures and stuff. Because it's like, once a rapper becomes successful, there's this weird thing where all of a sudden now you're standing in front of a crowd of white people and they're singing the N-word back at you, right? And it's kind of fucking, like, I've heard a lot of rappers talk about where this is because a lot of them didn't grow up around white people. So this is like a brand new thing to them.

It might be more intense for other rappers, but like, you see me, like I had a lot of friends. that were my, I had a lot of white friends, man, that was, like, I was going school with and that. So it was, like, my area wasn't, like, predominantly black. We just had a, we just had a black, a lot of, a big black community. Do you know what I'm saying? So I definitely, I definitely had my G's, my white G's them, man, you know? Right.

Yeah, the UK is so different, too, because I remember the first time that I was in Bristol, and we, like, went out to some. Oh, you've been about Bristol, yeah. Oh, yeah, because in the BMX days, I went out there on a bunch of different trips. Oh, that's a man, that's a man. Stayed in Brighton and Bristol and London a bunch of times and shit. Yeah, yeah.

And I remember being out there and we were like at this rail that was in like a fucking housing project. And the dude that I was with was like, yo, keep your bag right near you and be ready to take off if shit gets going. And I'm looking around and it's all fucking white dudes in like, you know, track suits and shit. And I'm just like, wow, this is very foreign to me. Like I've never been in an all white area in America where people were like, you got to watch out. That's just not. Like, I don't know. This is usually not how it goes.

Yeah, yeah. No, I feel like there's a lot of parts of the UK that you just got to be a little bit, a little bit on point, man. Oh yeah, you watch some fucking documentaries. They got some wild shit out there. White people are real fucked up out there. Yeah, yeah, it gets crazy. It gets crazy everywhere, though, but yeah, it gets crazy, yeah, man. So, okay, how did you manage to, like, get your accounting degree?

I was pretty shocked when I heard that. I was like, damn, all right, so he's a smart guy. And he's able to multitask by also having this going along with street stuff, rap stuff, whatever. Yeah. Now, you see me, like, I'm not driven originally, like, a lot. I know a lot of Americans, they don't know where they're from, like, originally, like. This is true. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, both my parents on Nigeria, it's like, in our culture, it's like a real, it's a real important thing for the parents, for the child to go university and that. So it was like, like, at the time, like, I was kind of like, wanted to do my music. And, like, I was getting my money.

I was getting my money anyway. But it's like, I always wanted something to fall back on. I didn't want to ever be this guy that, like, because if you go to my area and look at my block, like, there's people that are in my area that are, like, doing up 45s, they're still doing the same things they're doing I don't want to be one of them guys

so I was like, yo, listen, if I'm not gonna make it, I'm not gonna make it as a rapper, I need to have something like, because in the UK for you to like cut through on the corporate board, you need something, you know what I'm saying? So like, I didn't get no tattoos, I didn't do nothing, I just said, yo, listen, this is gonna be my little side thing.

So I went there, my accounting degree, got a two one. And I just always had it there and I always said to myself like, yo, like eventually you're gonna open my own accounting firm, do know what I'm saying? And then like, I can start catering to like music artists and like letting them come from.

route of my accounting firm, you know what I'm saying? So that's always been the plan, man. So I just got my degree there on the side. That's dope because there's been so many times where I've been talking to a young rapper and I realize that they're basically considering dropping out of school. And in my head, as like a fucking dude is almost 40, I'm just like, dude, do both.

Like, school, if your parents are allowing you to stay with them so you can go to school and shit, that is like the ultimate, like, cheat code for you to pursue whatever you're into. All you got to do is keep decent grades. And then you have a lot more time. And then if you're working like 50 hours a week at a fucking job, like it's just way harder to pursue your passions at that point. Yeah.

But I see me, I feel like it's much harder for the new, for the generation now. Because like, yo, you could be in secondary school and then you just gone viral on TikTok. Like, you're gonna get a half a million deal like, like that. Like I said to you, when we was coming up, we couldn't, we wasn't making money off music. So it was like, yo, I wanted to make sure that no matter what happens, man's gonna be paid. Right. Legitly, eventually, somehow I'm gonna be paid. So I just said, yo, this is my avenue here.

So like, I can imagine what the young kids are going through now. Like, there's 18 year olds that are like, getting home for a million. Right. Because when you were starting rapping, it seemed like a long-term goal to do something with yourself. It's like, you don't think you're just going to blow up tomorrow. And on TikTok, no, you can literally get 10 million views tomorrow if you do the dance right. Yeah, yeah, if you do the dance. That's what I'm saying.

So it's like, the scene changed now, man. So it's like, yeah, man, it must be harder for them kids to stay in school because I can't imagine myself staying in school for record labels throwing a million pounds like me or something. But so do you stay like, because I noticed you had like an intro of one of your music videos with I Show Speed in it. Like what made you want to like incorporate that? And do you pay attention to all these like YouTubers and influencers and shit now? Speed is funny, man. You know what I'm saying?

So I just like was a nice touch of the video just to get him in there. But like, yeah, I pay attention that. Like I watch a lot of reactors. I watch them, no live shot. I see him doing some stuff on my videos. Right. He's funny. So it's like, yeah, man, not tapping, man.

Whenever I'm on YouTube, I see a lot of stuff. Right. It's just like a good idea just to incorporate at the start, you know? Right, yeah. I mean, I'm sure there's, like, plenty of UK rappers that I can't even think of, but I'm pretty sure I've heard about who have kind of blown up because of those, like, reaction streamers and shit like that. Yeah, yeah.

That's like TikTok where it's like there's all these, like weird routes towards making your shit, you know, get seen by people, yeah. Like, we got like, we got like KSI in the UK. Like, he's, he was doing crazy. Yeah, man, he's doing his thing, man. That's, that's my guy. So it's like, like, he cut through of YouTube, like, and it's like, he's doing so many other business things off the back of that. Like, you know what I'm saying?

I mean, I remember a time period where I didn't think people were going to take him serious as a rapper. Yeah. And then, man, he really showed me. Like, he just fucking did it, dude. Crazy. No, you see me, I thought that someone like him, like, someone like him, like, you have to take him serious, like, because it's a successful business, man. Yeah. Like, it's a successful man.

So, like, even I want to hear what he's got to say because I might, well, I'm at getting some knowledge, like. Right. Do you know what I'm saying? So I feel like, no, everyone should just not be trying to judge music or. There's just so many successful YouTubers that tried to do music and it was a joke. And he's someone who just like took it super serious and actually like got himself into that position. And it is just fucking bizarre to see it taking place. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, man. Even his drink, his drink things going off now, man. Yeah. It's good to see him. No, yeah. If there's going to be like a UK hip-hop billionaire, I don't know, hip-hop-ish adjacent, you know, YouTube adjacent. it's probably going to be him. Like, he's really out there doing shit on a different level.

Don't sleep on me, though. I'm coming as well, yeah. Yeah, I hear you. I got more than a million savings. I was like, that's a very specific brag. I like that. Yeah, come on a couple years ago, man. That's old money.

Definitely. Yeah, man. No, but that's good. Who else can you look at, like, kind of coming out of the hip-hop scene, YouTube scene that you find sort of inspiring? Like, who do you look at that makes you really want to go get it?

Yeah, yeah. But now, obviously, I'm in the game now, so it's like, it's like, I wouldn't say I look at anyone specific, like, but obviously, there's a lot of people that, like, man look up to, like, from, like, from what they've done for the scene and how they came out, like, oh, I listened to when I was young, people like, gigs, like, you know what I'm saying, like, we've done a tune recently, like, someone like gigs is like, yo, like, he was like one of the first people

to kick down the door for the streets, you know what I'm saying? So, like, it was like people that was kicking down the door, getting the charts, but their songs were commercial. Gigs came with talking the hardest, and he came to, hit on the door for the street. So anytime I see someone like gigs, it's love, like, it's like, this is a big OG man.

He's done his thing for the scene, and it's like, it's good to see him, still have any success, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, man. Man, I seen you doing a video with fucking Ed Sheerrin. Yeah, that's my guy, that's my guy. I was like, man, the UK has a lot of unity right here because look at Ed Shearing looking out for rappers.

He's like so many years removed from him having like his rapper type part of his career and he's still out here showing love and doing shit. Like, I don't know. What was your impression at him? No, Ed's just like, it's one of the realest people I've met, like, do you know what I'm saying? It's like, and like, when I do speak to him, I'm always getting knowledge, like,

do you get what I'm saying? Like, so many things he bussed me on and told me to do, like, or said, like, yo, do this or like, oh, bro, like, have we done giving anything to charity? Like, them reminders and I'm just like, oh, hey, like, yeah, it's true, you know, like, love, bro, like. So, like, even outside of us doing a tune, that's actually my guy, like, he's just a proper guy, like, so, like, I don't even check for Ed, like, if I want to shout Ed, like, I won't even shout him for, like, something music, for,

I want to say, like, hey, like, give me a hook, like, I'd be like, yo, like, yo, how do I do this or something like that? Like, just a cool brother, like, he's just mad, mad humble, you feel me? Right, definitely, yeah. Seems like a fucking legend for sure. Yeah, he's a real legend, man, he's a real legend. I heard something crazy. I heard that, uh, I heard from a certain YouTuber that there may have been a situation

back in the day where the cops actually set up a fake record store as a sting operation. He's not in my hood, yeah. That's one of the craziest things I ever heard. Yeah, you don't, yeah. I'm mad you heard about that. You know, it's crazy. Like, one of my best friends the time he went to job for that.

Right. Yeah, my guy Turner, he went job for that. You know what I'm so mad about it? It was like, I just about dodged that operation. Like, because it's like, it's like, I wanted to go, I remember phone in that studio, like, definitely going to be hearing his finger. Oh, my shit.

You know, they got him. I remember phone in that studio to go record. And it's like, yo, like, the way they done it was crazy. Like, like, there were some people that were not, that we were so young them days, yeah. There was some man that were not, like, on the police system. So like, they would grab the CDs.

That sounds like, they'll give the, they'll give the, the man them CDs and be like, yo, give out these CDs for us, yeah? And so we can, like, push the studio and like, push the music in the studio. And they were like, oh no, hold on a minute, give us some CDs back. Like, they gave you too many. And then they'll take the CDs at the bottom and they got the fingerprints. From the guys. And that's how they're getting all the man them in jail for like,

they're going in the studio, talking about stuff, like, they were selling guns to them for the low. Right. You know what I'm saying? That's just unreal. Like, I mean, I don't even know if that would be legal. I never heard anything like that. It's called Boombox. They done that.

They done that. They done that in my area. And you just thought that the owners were like people who are really fans of hip hop and really trying to support shit. They were like, they were like, you all these, like. They had dreadlocks and all that, like, one of us, like. Wow. You know what I'm saying?

So, you know, they got them on them. They got them on them. It was mad. Wow. Yeah, yeah. That's insane. Yeah, man. Crazy.

Do you feel like, like, what is your advice when you talk to somebody who's a young guy who's like in the position that basically you were, you know, 10 years ago or however long ago. Like, how do you kind of have that conversation with them where you know on one hand they have to move around a certain way to protect themselves and to take care of them themselves? But at the same time, I mean, you're somebody who's kind of come out of that and you know what's on the other side. Like how do you encourage somebody who's kind of halfway in the streets or whatever? Yeah, yeah, you see me, you see now that I look back on things, yeah? My perspective, I would say, is like, yo, first, first you just surround yourself.

for people are the same ambitions as you in it. If you surround yourself with man that don't want to do good for themselves, like, yo, you're either going to have your own ambition and these guys are going to come around you and they're just not even going to help your situation. So I would just say to people like, yo, you don't have to necessarily be a banger, like,

to be successful, like, you can just like have a goal of making your money. Like, there's a lot of rappers in the UK, even if you're doing rap, for example, there's a lot of rappers from the UK that are not necessarily street rappers, like, that are doing well for themselves, you know what I'm saying?

So just like I feel like everyone should just have the goal of being successful. You know what I'm saying? And I won't knock a man for whatever route they take to be that. But it's just like, yo, make sure at the back of your mind, you know, that you've got ambition to be someone to chase your dreams, isn't it? That's my advice, man. The streets is not, it's not necessary. You know what I'm saying?

Unless it's like giving you some sort of some sort of way to like make yourself in a better position. I wouldn't advise that to no one ever. I'd always just say like just have the goal of being successful, however you want to do it you know what i'm saying right but if you're like a young kid growing up in london like is it is the option right there for you to just be a square and stay out of all that type of shit because i know that in l.a that's a problem a lot of times is that there's young kids who maybe just don't even feel like it's an option for them to not be affiliated with any street shit because they just are going to get fucking bullied or or treated however yeah no i definitely

i definitely um agree with that like like sometimes it's not an option for people sometimes like they might come from troubled, troubled situations, man. But it's just like, you know, you still have a choice in life. Like, like, what you can try to, you know what I'm saying? It's just like, just do what, like, whatever's going to make you have the success or, like, the happiness you want for yourself. You know what I'm saying? So, like, whatever route that is, that's what I would advise them and them to do what they're doing, man.

For sure. Okay, last question. You've been to Dubai lately? Yeah, that's my spot. So you're still allowed to go? Because you had a very well-publicized fight or, you know, all the time. on the plane coming back from Dubai, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And I mean, this is, you're probably not going to say shit about it, but this is just like the craziest scenario I could ever imagine is a bunch of lit rappers in Dubai sort of like narrowly dodging, running into each other, even though they're beefing, and like, you know, then you just all run into each other on the plane. Like, this is like a hip-hop movie script right here. This doesn't sound like real life.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what it is now? Like, you see me, like, I don't really like, I don't really like dwell on them things because I'm just blessed. I just feel blessed to be here. Like, moments like that, it's like, you, like, things could be worse with me.

I could have still been on the streets, like, trying to get it. So if I have to box it up on the plane, just cruel quick, like, it's like, things could have been worse than that. Like, I could have been like, you know what I'm saying? So it's just like, it could have been

a worse situation, you know? So it's just like, it's nothing, it's not a major. For sure, both parties. Everybody involved, for sure, including Morrison, could probably have, you know, been doing something better

with their time or this isn't the best use of their time on earth. But let's be real when you got serious egos on both sides and there's a face-to-face clash, I mean, shit goes down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely does. At least the plane is good because the plane is the ultimate environment where you couldn't, it couldn't go a certain way. Yeah, you know, I thought a lot of people can get found out if what they're on, like, in situations they're not comfortable with, like.

Yeah. The plane's lovely for me. I love it on a plane. It's like Joe. It's like Joe, it's like Joe. Like, if you're really that guy, like, you can't, you can't, you can't, you can't hide in there. Like, you're on, you're on like. So it's just like, yes, it's definitely interesting.

Yeah, definitely. So, okay, what's the plan for now? You're like building up towards an album of some sort? Or what's the goal right now? I'm supposed to join my single, Cudwa, Guan. Right. Should be coming out in a couple weeks and I should get them a mixtape this year. Man, I'm just working at the moment, man, just doing, doing what hits naturally for me, for me, yeah.

Nice. For plans, that's the plans. Yeah, it's good to hear. So are you linking up with any U.S. artists you could tell us about why you're out here? Yeah, yeah. I've got a session with Blast, big up blast. I'm a big fan of his music.

Oh, nice. Yeah, yeah. I linked up with my Nigerian artist. Like, yesterday, I couldn't eat gold. You done something. I linked up with some good producers out here as well, man. So it's definitely been a good trip so far. Damn, getting blast on a record with you.

That's going to be smooth, man. That's going to be smooth. That's going to be smooth. I'm looking forward to it. We need that. Yeah, man. Do you have any, like, who stands out in your head as, like, somebody that you would love to get on a track with before you die? Oh, snap.

Somebody you're not afraid to fan out over, since I'm sure there's a lot of people you're not, you wouldn't want to admit that you're a big fan. But there's got to be some people out there that you're like that. I go, I go, I go, you see me, my people, people, be surprised with what I like, though. Like, I was wanting to think up with, like, an Alicia Keys or like, or like a, or a Beyonce or something like that. Right. Like, I like old school, I like old school shit, like, you know what I'm saying? So, like... Well, you're a hard rapper, you gotta put that with some soft sounds, right?

Yeah, man, we need to mix and match it. You know what I'm saying? So, like, no, I definitely like to think up with a few people. Of the top of my head, I can't think of a lot of people, but yeah, yeah, man. Definitely. Definitely, definitely. You get an Adele verse? Adele, yeah, that would go crazy.

Is she dating skeptist still? Was that a real thing? I don't know. I don't know. I never really, like, saw too much about that after they announced it. Yeah, big off Adel, though. That she's a legend, man. Don't send me that chorus, man.

I can see it. You fuck with Paul Hollywood? Paul Hollywood. The British Bakeoff? Oh, I don't think I know that is. That's like American UK culture. It's on Netflix, so I'll be watching. I've seen that yet.

I'm going to check that, though. 100. I'm going to 100% share that. For sure. All right. Hey, thanks for your time and look forward to hearing the new records and everything like that, man. I appreciate Adam.

I love for having me, man. Yeah, thanks so much, man. Tion Wayne, No Jumper. Coolest podcast on the world. Check us on YouTube, TikTok, Patreon, Instagram. et cetera, like, comment, and subscribe. Let's go.