No Jumper - TK Kirkland on Boycotting No Jumper, if Druski is a Comedian, 4xtra, Stefon Diggs & More

Episode Date: August 23, 2026

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I didn't like that first. Oh, really? I didn't know that. Yeah, you're doing a lot of street shit. Oh, yeah. You're not a fan of that. No, no, no, no. Really?

I can't be at my stage in my life. Was there anything in particular street-wise that you thought was over the line? I saw you guys a couple of times. I just knew it was too much street going on. Okay. And I said, we, what is my man doing, Adam? I mean, from my perspective, it's like, the deeper we get into covering rap music, the more likely you are to land on stuff that is street oriented.

And like, even just no jumper with like the whole idea of like, okay, we're going to get dudes who maybe their rap career didn't work out so much, or they're, you know, guys in their late 20s or their 30s or their 30s. or whatever, and we're going to try to turn these guys into podcasters and actually just, like, put guys from L.A. on the podcast. Okay, so you're going to change their life in the sense. Well, I'm just saying that, like, when you try to do that, and you're looking at guys from L.A. who were rappers or are in the scene or whatever know about what's going on in the culture, almost all the time they're going to end up being dudes who are from gangs out here.

Yeah. You know, so I feel like that kind of, like, pushed us in a direction where all of a sudden we just, like, you know, because then once you have like a gang member or two, then all of a sudden you have to monitor the politics. And yes, you have to worry about, can this person be around this person and everything? I want to say one wrong thing. Yeah, you know, you got to be careful about who you get in the same room.

Yeah. Because you can say one wrong thing, one word or one, something that's not understood. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. We've had a few notable examples of that. That's the robbery. So I said, since he said, y'all don't really do that that much the more.

I was going to start coming back now. You feel like we're out the streets now? I hope so. Really? Okay. Well, if there's any reason for that, it's because everybody got locked up. Brick Baby is facing federal charges for the Roan 60s Rico. So we're actually going to find out tomorrow what his sentence is.

Oh, he's not going to trial? He's going to. He took a pleadio. Smart. Yeah. And then one of our other hosts, Almighty Suspect, is currently. serving I don't know around like three four years okay that's not bad for I think some sort of assault that involved like a woman getting maced or something damn so he was on probation

already I'm not even 100% sure about that one and you get that kind of charge yeah because no one you get probation so he had a record well he had a whole bunch of stuff yeah kind of piled up on top of each other and then we have anne hefe who's been a host on no jumper for maybe about a year and he just recently got hit with a murder charge alleging that him and a bunch of fellow atre gangsters beat a man to the point that he died in a parking lot in their neighborhood. Damn. So that was pretty wild.

Yeah. Because my life, you know, I'm what I call on a spiritual journey. Hmm. A spiritual journey. And I've come a long way and made a good name for myself, you know? Yeah. Plus I'm close to the 70s. Right.

So it's crazy. So have you, did you learn early in life to stay away from? anything that was a little too close to like serious street stuff. Yes, sir. Figure that out. Because it only take one mistake. You know, you ever heard of T.K. Carter? No.

Comedian? No. He passed, right? But back in the 80s, he was on drugs a lot. And apparently I think he did something wrong to somebody in the streets. Okay. But at that time, what they said was when they approached me, it can't be two TKs. Wow.

So I was in a serious, I had to prove to some other people that it wasn't me. But that's how I protect my, I guard my sanity and my life and peace. Because that's one good thing about comedy as opposed to like hip hop is that in comedy, worst case scenario, maybe you get a little fist fight outside the club or something. Right, right. Worst case scenario and hip hop seems to be, you know, a lot more serious. Absolutely. Absolutely.

So, yeah, I've always loved your show. But I'll come back now. Nice. Yeah, I'll come back because I got a lot to say. I didn't even know that we were, we had like a distance between us. It wasn't distance. It was just me being a smart man. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, you know, I've always rocked with you. Oh, I appreciate it. Yeah, always. I seen you in the steakhouse when I went to Vlad's birthday party, which you didn't actually like stick around at, but you kind of popped in, said hi to everybody,

didn't eat any food, and then you were on your way. Yes, I've always been like that my whole life. That's a cool move right there. Yeah. See, you peeped it. Pop in, pop out. I've always been that way.

Always been that way. Dinner's a private to me. Really? Yeah, dinner's a private. It has to be one or just a few people. Not a lot of people. So that's like nightmare scenario for you? Absolutely.

Yeah, absolutely. Semi-famous people? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But it was good to run in tea. I appreciate it. Yeah, I didn't know you was working out like that. When we shook hand, I said, yo, my man, been working the fuck out. Damn. The testosterone's kicking in, I guess. Oh, my man. Just kidding. But, no, but it is kind of like weirdly private eating food with someone that you, like, don't really know that well. And the one that really stood out to me was just

seeing John Sally eat a big plate of vegetables. Yes. He's vegan, I guess. Yes, yeah. I've known John a long time. Nothing but vegetables. Is that what he had? Wow.

Nothing. Everybody else got steaks and lobster and whatever the hell else Vlad paid for. Right. And John Sally just had hell of vegetables, which, hey, respect to him, whatever works best for his life. It was just kind of crazy to like,

you know, you see these people on TV. You never know what they're like when they go out to eat. Who's got eccentric habits. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. It was interesting. It was a nice atmosphere as well.

But I dipped in, dipped out, boom. You know, so it's cool. Yeah, well, okay. So that's your move. That's interesting. I'm trying to figure out the playbook that makes T.K. Kirkland tick. Because you do just seem like such a genetic anomaly. Like just a guy who's like seemingly not aging.

Like other people are and are just like weirdly resilient. He's like a Donald Trump. Yes. Where it's like he's just 80 something and he's still just like moving around nonstop. Just seems like he's never going to break down. I can see that. I'm just happy. I think looking young is just a reflection of my inner peace and how I moved through life.

You know, it worked hard to get to here. So I enjoy it. You know, staying in the gym, trying to do six miles or walking a day. can, you know, so no complaints. That's good to hear. One thing I wanted to get on your ass about is saying that Drewski is not a comedian. Yes, good question. How do we, okay, let's just open the floor for that.

Let me hear your rationale. So, Drusky is what we call in the comedy world a personality. Okay. He doesn't go around do comedy shows. He doesn't do comedy tours. He's a personality. He's funny. He's hilarious.

He's good. He does the commercials. but you don't see him doing actual stand-up shows all around the country on a regular basis. So I'm not saying that he's not an actual comic, but this is just my opinion. From my opinion, he's just a personality. And by me knowing history, what I mean by history knowing comedy IQ. A lot of comedians are comedians, but they don't have comedy IQ, meaning they don't know the history. They don't know other comedians, jokes.

They don't know the whole story, how it began. and we ended up. They just know now. Right. So there was a comedian named San Kenson back in the day. Sam was a wild crazy comic. Right. And this is just my opinion.

I saw a couple of comics, even him, talk about religion. All of them end up dead. Every last one of them. So when I saw Juski do that, I said the universe to me was going to give him a pass because he wasn't truly. a comic that understood what he was doing. Because if you notice in comedy,

they never sell him to make fun of religion. You never see it. Not saying that's taboo, but in my eyes, that's what I saw, and that's what I put to and too. I could be wrong, but that's just my theory. I feel like people do make fun of religion. I just feel like maybe it's not even so taboo

that it gets that much attention in this day and age because it's almost like, an easy laugh i think you could talk about the pastor i think you could talk about the offering right but the actually talk about jesus christ himself and and it's like anything is that what you say is how you say it but what did jerusalem do that was over the line as i just think what he did at the um bt was when he came with the um came in as a i'm not sure i don't know he came in as a pastor or he came in as god but it was something that got everybody's attention because some things i just block out my memory's getting bad as I get hold of the shit.

I can't even lie to you. But that was just my opinion. Doesn't mean, and when people give an opinion, this is good at you ask this question. Right. People need to know you can't get mad at another man or woman when they're voiced in their opinion. Right. The goal in life is to understand where that person comes from.

Or if you don't agree, you say he's entitled to his opinion. Okay. So my thing about Drusky is that I feel like, so you're coming from a world where if you wanted to make it as a comedian, it's very limited routes. You could just do stand up for 10 years until you, you know, get to a certain level where people know about you. But even beyond that, that's not going to make you a household name. You're going to have to like get a TV deal or get a movie. Even that doesn't make you famous. And even that, like, it has to be unbelievably successful to make you really famous. It's just like the hardest path in the world. Yes. And then meanwhile,

Drewski is someone who came up in the modern age. I think I interviewed him in 2020. Yes. And he was really at the inception of that of his career at that time. At that time, he was pretty much just like a guy who had done really funny short form videos online. And it's crazy with him because he was able to like sidestep so many of the traditional routes to fame, where, you know, he does like a reality show a couple times a year. He might pop in on people's streams, he produces these shorts for his own social channels that in some cases, I was told that you'll spend like a hundred grand on a YouTube short that is for sure not making more than a couple thousand dollars, which is pretty unbelievable, just that from his perspective,

like whatever that does for his brand or whatever that laugh is, it's worth it to him to spend Well, here's the thing, again, it goes with comedy IQ. See, I'm smart enough to understand how it changed. Right. See, we do have the tradition around. Then you have people like Jake Paul who took boxing and a whole other level and then go through the normal paths that most boxers go. And you got Drewski.

The game has changed. Nobody's mad at it. It's just like Magic Johnson and Larry Bird, right? Those guys are phenomenal players, but they don't make the kind of money these players make the day. And those guys is on some of them 10 times better than the people playing the day. That's just the way the game has played. Still is just an opinion. Yes, he sidestepped a lot of things.

People, again, he's a personality from a comedian who understands what a comedy is to anybody else who hasn't done this 40 years, because I've done this 41 years, to be exact. So this is just my opinion. And I think that I sit as a chairman on the board of understanding what comedy is and what comedy is in. Right. So, I mean, I feel like comedy has this weird self-importance type thing where up-and-coming comedians are kind of like expected to go through very traditional routes and are expected to know the history of comedy. Yes. Where I feel like take podcasting, which is like a relatively new medium that realistically has only been around for like 10 years, maybe like 15 years if you want to include like that very early days and uh it's not like

you would ever hear a podcaster say like oh so-and-so is is an unacceptable rap podcaster because he doesn't know the roots of podcasting yes with podcasting we all kind of just take it for granted that you could just get on camera and talk and and it's okay you don't have to like earn your 15 years. Comedy has a history is, what, maybe 100, something years or longer. You know, you go back to Charlie Chan and all that kind of stuff. So that's what I mean by the history.

If you guys had been, give me an example, if Johnny Carson was alive. Right. He wouldn't respect podcasting because he's a traditional TV host. Right. But I've been here long. enough to see the world change. That's like I can understand it.

That's like I can respect it. Podcasting is what changed my life. Because when I was coming up, I couldn't get on Johnny Carson. David Letterman, the Arsenia Hall Show. Because it was very limited. Podcasting now, I go anywhere in the world. I could say one thing, boom, go viral.

And I've been consistent doing this for 15 years. So it's been a blessing for me. There's no shade on any comic that don't take the traditional route. But looking at it from an OG, when I say you're not a traditional comedian, it's not no shade. It's just that look at your grandfather and how he's seen the world changed. And he'll say certain things that you would not understand. Look at me as the grandfather.

I just look young. Look at me as the OG that seen this game change. And a lot of comics are doing well with the short films. the going on Facebook or YouTube and making a lot of money. I think all that's great. It's just the game change. Yeah, because I looked up comedian in the dictionary

and it said basically like anyone who makes people laugh through a variety of mediums including stand-up, film, online videos, Twitter, et cetera. And so I just feel like at a certain point, the definition of comedian has had to, you know, widen a lot to contain a lot of different things. I totally agree. I totally agree.

And what you're saying to me is not falling on deaf ears. I'm hearing what you're saying, but I'm already aware of it as well. It's just that my definition to that type of comedy is he's a personality. Yeah. And he's doing well with it. Yeah. Doing phenomenally well with it. Commercials, everything.

Can't beat that. Yeah, it's kind of crazy watching his reality show and he's got the fucking Buffalo Wild Wings deal. Yes. Yes. Awesome. So good good. It's good money. It's good money.

Just like when I saw on Speed in one of those foot locker commercials. Yeah, he's gigantic. Yeah. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. You know, and I didn't know who he was. Yeah. I just saw if he was a regular actor one day.

And then as time went on, I was like, oh, that's speed. Because I actually wanted to erase some at one time, you know, because I used to be a track star. Yeah. And then, but that's my mind. I feel like if you got through to the right person on Speed's team, they would, they would, they would be down for that. No, no, no. Let me tell you the main for the story.

Oh, what happened? In my mind, I feel like I could beat him until I went running one day. I was, I'm going to leave that story alone because I wanted to race speed and Cat Williams. I was like, maybe Cat Williams is really that fast. Let me shut up. And maybe speed is really that fast. Let me just leave all that alone. Because that was just my mind.

It's like a boxer who was a great fighter. Yeah. And years later in his 60s, he still feel that, oh, I can do such. such at my age i understand it's some things i will i will not mention again so speed and cat i'll leave that alone usually that one okay that makes sense well you know i uh what i just watched on youtube was this upload from a stream that kaisanat did with um there's a singer this young lady from south africa named tyla yes she's sort of like a light-skinned black woman like unbelievably beautiful face.

Like she's a pretty popular singer and shit like that. And they were at Disneyland doing a stream. And I've like watching this, I was just so happy to not be as famous as these motherfuckers are. Really? Why? It was just as soon as they walk out of the private area, they are just swarmed by people who know who they are. And I think it's primarily Kai,

but then Tyler a little bit too. I think he's like probably like a hundred times more famous than her, but she's pretty famous too. And like it just forms like a mob around them. Man. And everyone's trying to get photos and it gets so loud. And like Kai keeps saying like we were supposed to have 20 security guards. It looks like they have more like five.

Yeah. And it is like seriously no match for how many people this is. And all they do is walk from this one area to the teacups. And then they wait in line and clear out the teacups. and they get on the teacups and they go on this little ride and meanwhile the crowd forming around them is so out of control i was just like like like such a huge percentage of what is available to you as a human being is kind of ruined once you have reached this level of fame you know yes yeah i totally agree yeah i totally agree and you and that's why you got to play it right yeah

you got to play it right but it's so many more um stars now today yeah compared to when I was coming up. And it's just awesome to see that it's so much to go around. It really is from podcasting to TV shows to movies to people who just do reality shows because I'm going to watch reality TV, right? The women and all that. But a lot of those ladies are super, super, super famous. Super famous.

Yeah. On a weird level where it's like, you know, I interview girls with like 5 million Instagram followers and models. and then like when they come in here nobody knows who they are everybody in the office is like damn that goes hot as fucking then they're looking at her Instagram like damn you would think that having 5 million followers

and everybody would just know right but we all are in our isn't it something little world right all in our little world or like my wife says to me like oh my god I just looked at Twitter for 10 minutes every single post is about Taylor Swift she's like same thing for you right I'm like

what the hell no like my feed is not Taylor Swift. Yeah, she's on a whole other level, right? My feet is like some rapper took another rapper's chain. And then like there's a comedian who said something weird on a podcast. Right. And this other guy and I was awkward. So there's going to be like 100 tweets about that.

You know, it's not really going to be like if Taylor Swift dies. Oh, man. That's on my feet. Yeah. But if she like trips and falls. Yes. Probably not. Right.

Yeah. It's amazing. When I tour, especially when she was on tour, we was all in the same same. at the same time. Mm-hmm. And I felt... You and Taylor Swift. At the same time.

It was inception. And I thought I was blessed that I was still selling out because, you know, she locks down the city. Yeah. Like stadiums nine days straight. Mm-hmm. So I was really impressed.

But yeah, she's phenomenal. She's phenomenal. No, yeah. And I've never seen her perform. Really? You got to see the movie. Really? The eras tour movie.

Okay. Which I'm married to a Taylor Swift fan. Okay. And then our daughter, who is five and a half, is basically, has been raised on almost nothing but Taylor Swift. Okay. So when it came out, we went, and it's basically just like a whole movie of her tour. And it's pretty... And they did a good job?

It's pretty fantastic. Okay. I like when production and direction is on a whole other level. You can be... When you're a good artist, you know what good production is. is, you know, they did everything right. I love that. Definitely.

Did you catch the YG in game versus battle? No, no. I didn't. Just curious. Yeah. What did you think of it, though? I feel like there's a huge dissonance between the final results and what I've heard so many people say about it and what I thought, which is to me, game really stood out

as like a far better performer and like his hits just resonate with me. Yeah, he has on. He has a catalog. And YG definitely has a lot of hits too. You can't take it away from him. But to me, game just like really kind of showed me how legendary he is right there. And YG, I guess same thing. But I just felt like the game just dominated.

But then it seemed like a lot of other people had the exact opposite reaction, which. And what was the other people's reaction? The YG proved that his catalog was superior to the game's catalog. See, again, opinionated, right? That's a great thing about this world. living, man. Well, I guess part of it is that YG's catalog is a little bit more like radio friendly, whereas I feel like the games

catalog has a lot more like hip hop records. I saw people saying that. To me, it's more like a generational thing where in the early 2000s game was just like so inescapable as a rapper. Absolutely. And then by the time you get to YG's era, which is kind of like the 2010

plus era, music was a lot different where I was living in Southern California. I wasn't really listening to YG. I was listening to Chief Keith and Gucci Man and Jeezy and juicy J and all this type of shit that was going on at the time. And so, yeah, it's kind of a... Yeah, and it's just... That's the world we live in now.

You can get corporate-train generations, the young and old. Right. And it's based on the pen. All you got to do is look on your Instagram, right? And you'll know when you put certain things, who's older and who's younger by the responses that you get. You get easily... That's what social media taught me. It taught me the difference between the child.

a grown-up. Right. And I get them both. So that's the part that I find interesting. You have very young fans as well? Very young fans. Really? Yeah.

That's interesting. Yeah, it is interesting. You know, and I listen to them, and I tell them that if they don't agree, I'll say, if you live as long as me one day, one day you'll say, you know what, T.K. Kirkland was right. Because the understanding you have to have lived. If you don't have life experiences, you haven't been nowhere, the stuff that, you know, the stuff, the things I talk about will go over your head.

That's how I truly feel. Some might say that C.K. Kirkland is a prophet. I've been hearing that. But let me ask you a question. Have you ever seen my interviews or whatever? Oh, I've seen 50,000 loud clips. Okay, so watch this, right? People who, to me, who was truly raised right, notice already. What I'm saying is not really being a prophet.

it's something you really should know leaving your home. And my daughter said the best. She said, parents had children, but they didn't teach her nothing. And that's what I see. One of the things that bothered me the most old and young is boundaries. You ever go to the store and somebody, you can pay something. Somebody's just two inches away from you. Respect it is you get that person's space to do their transaction,

and get the, collect their things and then you go on. So you hate places like New York where it feels like everybody has to kind of be up on top of each other. Yes, yes. So crowded. We're just going through the airport. And even the cashier does it.

You're trying to get your stuff together. She'll say next. And you're still trying to gather your things. Put your wallet back in your backpack and all that. And you want to take your time that you don't forget a credit card. You don't forget anything. Right. Everybody's just so in the rush.

Yeah. No, yeah. We got to slow down. Got to slow down. We got to slow down. Just one of my main recollections from our last interview was just that you seemed like way too horny. Is that still going on? No, no, no, no.

I think, I don't know what I was on that particular day. I was just talking, talking shit. But life has taught me, because I used to be a player. Yeah, yeah. And life has taught me. about character in the woman. You got to be as beautiful on the outside is on the inside.

So my sex life from not understanding character was probably a 10 plus. Okay. It's 0.001 now. Really? It's come to a halt because character has become so important to me. What you're doing with

your life is so important to me. Like I'm not just going to date you or have sex with you just because you're beautiful. I understand the consequences. What I mean about consequences do you have three or four children? That's a problem.

It's a problem because as a man, if I come in your life, I have to understand that I'm partially responsible for contributing a little bit because I'm old school. If we're sex and having sex, we're going to dinner and I'm with you six months

to a year longer. As a man, you want a man to help out. But when you get to a certain age, you realize those kids got a father or fathers. And I just don't want to be the next guy contributing. And especially if we're not, this is not going to go 10, 15, 20 years old,

we're getting married, this is a strong relationship. Right. Because I take money very seriously. Yeah. You know, I don't, I'm not frivolous with it. Like, I protect it at all course. A lot of guys make money and then just like spend that money very freely on things involving women.

Yep. So true. Just kind of here, whatever. Right. Have as much as you want. Yes. And you have to respect it because, you know what most people don't do? They never think they're going to get old.

Yeah. Or they never think it's going to stop. And nobody's going to help you once it's gone. Right. It's a rap. Yeah. So you have to protect your future to be safe because you all you got. Yeah.

One of the worst feelings of worlds, ask somebody like, yo, can you know me 20,000? Right. Yeah, I feel like if anything, I get a lot of shit from people because my attitude towards money has always been like, okay, well, I might not get any more of this ever. So I'm just going to sit on it. That's right. I'm not spending shit. Thank you.

No jewelry. That means a lot to me. That you're saying that. Okay. No nice car. My wife had to force me to buy a house with her. No fancy shit, really. and I've done all the fancy things

but I live to be a senior citizen that doesn't mean nothing to me I can go through Versacei I can go through all the nice stuff I got all that stuff I tried all the designer thing It doesn't mean nothing I don't care

In your 20s 30s and 40s Even maybe 50s you think people care Yeah Then you realize nobody gave a fuck Right You realize nobody care I mean you're kind of telling yourself You're telling the world something about yourself

I just question if it's worth it, especially when you're considering that like, you're spending, you know, $800 on a plain white Gucci shirt. Exactly. That if you wear it once on camera, you almost kind of can't wear it again.

That's so true. You know, like, you can wear it more, but like it really kind of like loses cool points. It loses cool points, right. And it's just like, are you going to be the, like, like just thinking your head how much you would have to spend

to even have like, you know, a handful of, of new items from this sort of store. Do you want to spend like $10,000 a month on just like new designer clothes? It doesn't make sense. Even that's not that much. Right.

A couple outfits. Yes. It's not that much. Yeah. It's like maybe three. Fuck that. It's maybe three. I went out one time until I was in here, L.A.

A party was going on. I went to Philippine. I don't know. I don't go enough to know. Well, this guy's up there with, Gucci and Saatchi and Tom Ford Oh, what's his name again?

Philip. It's either Philippine or Philiplying. Yeah, I don't know. P-H-L-I-E-N, something like that. Oh, yeah? Well, I went into the store. This is a Baby Center. Uh-huh.

And everything in the Baby Center is expensive anyway, by the way. I go and pick out the jeans. I picked out some sneakers. Got a nice little jacket. Got a cup of T-Shunders. church $5,000. And my friend had to tell me I deserved it because I felt bad spending my money on me. He said, T, you work so hard.

It's okay. But I knew I had just wasted $5,000. Right. And that bothered me bad. And it's like you said, once you wear it once or twice. I think I wore the sneakers maybe two times. Yeah. That's it.

Yeah. So I bought a nice, a lot of, nice couple of things at Walmart, not too long ago. Comfortable and get on the plane with a nice t-shirt and a jean jacket. You know, you got to have, I like to have nice little accessories. Right. But as long as I smell good, my underwear game is on point. I got a nice hair cut and well-shaved. All my bills was paid.

That means a lot to me. I also feel like at your age, being healthy and in shape is the real flex. Yes, it is. And the dressing to impress gets more and more cringe as you get older. Oh, it definitely does. You know, like the thing that is cool for a 25-year-old to wear on a 60-year-old is going to just be like, wow, that's, I don't know. Yeah, I totally agree.

A lot of times. Yeah, a lot of times. Yeah. Like, I still keep nice cars, and I don't even driving that much. My kind of always say, why are you buying this? stuff and he's so right you know but every now and I'm not every down there just like when I get to where I got to go in my place that I live I just want to have it's just something that I do you know but um everything is about peace saving and health yeah health is the key so many people are very rich

or very ill and we talk about that all the time we tell people to take care of your health either invest in your health now or you invest in medical bills later yeah you got a choice. Definitely. So you are looking to get into a relationship? Like if you're going to be sleeping with a woman, it's got to be somebody that you're really looking to. At my age now, I can't, I just can't have sex for one night. Like, you got to lay there with me. Mm. Mm. It's meaningful. Now I can't even have sex unless we go to dinner. You know, it got to be a nice, intimate evening. I'm just not going to just sex you like I used to back in the day. Really? Now it's a, a lot meaningful.

And I'll take my time. Believe it or not, I really take my time to really know this is what I really want to get into. Because now if I'm having sex with you, we got to almost sum up being a relationship. I got to feel that. I feel like if you don't fuck a girl,

like if you hang out of there a bunch of don't fuck her, that she's almost like more of a liability to put an accusation on you. Absolutely. Than if you hit it. That's right. Quit it. Yep.

I don't know. You hit that, I totally agree. I guess I haven't seen that happen. Yes. Maybe I've seen it happen. I don't know. And the young girls who try to fuck me,

they fuck you now and they do what you do. You ain't got to call them. They just don't even give a fuck. They don't even care. You know, because I have sex with you. I want to call and show you wasn't just about me fucking you. Because, okay, the girls when you were young,

and to a lesser extent when I was young, but I think like, as time has gone by, kids or just people have like lost their innocence more and more. Absolutely. Where like a young girl, an 18 year old girl just in the 60s, like believed that a guy wanted something serious with her. Yes.

More readily than they believe it now. I think that now with the internet, the cat is just out of the bag. They're like, guys just want to fuck. Right. And girls can just want to fuck to. They want to. Like, everything's just out in the open now. It's out of the open.

They don't say it, but the action show after. The girls just get it. Bro, you know that dude, clavicular? Yes. The streamer. Yep. The looksmaxer. So I hung out with him at his stream.

He did a 30-day stream, and I went there on the first day of the stream. He did like a four-hour stream together. Got really drunk. And we're hanging out with all these girls that he kicks it with. And then later on we go to this day club. Or actually, it was a club, you know, a nightclub. Okay. And it's wall.

to wall blonde white girls in their early 20s just drinking, partying like every chick looked the same. These girls are all like kind of like outwardly slutty. Yes.

Like kind of like openly trying to clavicular. Right. And it was crazy because like I just I never encountered like this thing that you could do with your early 20s. I was just like kind of doing more like working.

normal New York hanging on Boston, riding BMX bikes type shit. Like I just wasn't exposed to this crazy ass like spring break shit. You know? Right. And it was, man. It was just crazy to like realize that these girls are just, they're just horrors.

They just are loving it. Yeah. They don't, they have no sense of shame. No sense of shame. They want to do coke. They're like 20 and they want to do coke and they want to fuck. Right.

You know, it's just. Yeah, it's crazy, man. But I've changed. So you can't, You can't mess with my what I call my spiritual growth. Okay. Does that make sense? My spiritual growth is everything.

I got to feel amazing. I got to feel, in the world. No, I want to feel magnificent. That's what I look for every day. Can I feel magnificent the way I felt yesterday? And I've been consistent with that. So when people say, TK, how are you doing? I say magnificent.

Right. That's how I feel. Yeah. No, that's true. Health is well. I mean, especially as you get all that's why I like drinking just at a certain point. just life is all about feeling good and and feeling good enough to do great things with your life. Yes.

At a certain point, the hangover has just made it like, I'm just not able to be even a tenth of what I should be when I'm doing this to myself. Right, right. You got to, because I think what people don't understand is that you damage yourself now, but you don't think about the future. Mm-hmm. And I think it comes back to get you. Yeah.

I really do. It comes back to get you. Especially if you do it too much. Right. You're damaging your heart. You're damaging your organs. Yeah. Are you familiar with what's going on with the whole Stefan Diggs situation?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's an interesting situation right there. So I just interviewed Chris Blake Griffith, who's basically a stylist. Yes. And he was working for Stefan Diggs as his stylist, basically helping figure out what outfits he's going to wear. and then also I was working on like brand collaborations with some of the brands they works with helping figure out what they wanted to do product wise something like that

and so this guy at a certain point says that he's out and about with Stefan Diggs and Stefan Diggs is fucked up basically on like Molly or Tusi I think is the other one that they do which is like the pink coke okay he was caught on camera with a big ass bag of pink I saw it on the boat yeah and so Chris, the stylist, is a straight man, according to him, and doesn't drink or do any drugs. Yes. So he's got a clear focus on what's going here. He claims that Stefan Diggs put drugs in his drink to get him fucked up, pulled out his erect penis, allegedly, and then grabbed him and stuck his tongue into his ear.

and when Chris protested and ended up taking off and basically saying you know fuck you I don't want anything to do with you then Stefan Diggs sent his homies who weren't wearing mask to to break into Chris's apartment in D.C. And basically take a ton of his shit and then beat his ass. And then after that on some drill rapper shit, Stefan Diggs was out and about in public wearing some of the items that they stole from Chris's closet. Going to jail. You know, obviously as a stylist, you got all these expensive items.

And he had like a Chrome Hearts like chain. And Stefan Diggs was wearing it, like, as if to taunt Chris after the fact. And so Chris has this huge lawsuit going on. And for some reason, Cardi B is like involved with this. She's like arguing with him, claiming that he's lying, clout chaser, all this kind of shit. So it's been a pretty, a pretty, pretty. There's so many ways you can go there, right? Yeah.

As a man, if somebody does that to you, to me, you don't go public. You handle it a different way. How would you handle it if your friend grabbed you and stuck his tongue? Well, if I can't beat you, I'm going to find somebody to whoop your motherfucking ass. Okay. I come a whole different way. Right. Especially if I don't have nothing to lose, meaning if I've never been on probation, I've never been in

that's going to be handled a certain way. People who've been in trouble like myself, you can't do things hand on anymore because prosecutors, once they see your rap sheet, they don't really care about your situation today. So you would have done what? You would have just left? I would have left.

And plotted? Plotted. Got it. I would have plotted. Never would have went on social media. Here's the day when everybody know their business. I would have never exposed myself like that because with the way young people think today,

to me, I don't think they well educated. They all run with all, motherfuck are you gay, and you know what you've been doing, et cetera, et cetera, right? So to avoid all that, you go a whole different route. The character of Tay Diggs is becoming more and more unpleased. Stefan Diggs. Stefan Diggs. Right.

Football players, very well at what he does. Yeah. All the babies. And don't get me wrong, I got kids. My kids are grown. But I didn't have them, I didn't have five, six kids in the same year. And I just wish men can set more. I mean, there are great men out there.

But I just wish more men can cherish themselves a lot more because everybody's just winging. They're doing what they want to do, what they like. and not understanding its consequences. And I saw the video of the guys touching him with no mask. Right. I saw the chain on his jeans that is his. This is on tape.

There's no way you win this in court. Yeah. No way. Right. Because videos don't lie unless you edit it. There was too much. You could see everything going on. Yeah.

So either Tay Diggs, Is it Tay Diggs? No. Stefan Diggs. I keep saying, Tay Diggs. Yeah, yeah. Stefan Diggs pulls him to the side and pay him off. Right. Before they get the court or he has a problem.

And I think his messed your reputation up to mess with another football team. Right. Well, yeah. I mean, from my perspective, having seen all this evidence, and Steve on these, or excuse me, Chris was actually showing me more evidence on his phone because he's kind of limited on, like, what he's going to put out there right now because of the lawsuit

and everything. but he was showing me stuff that was even more shocking. And yeah, from my perspective, I mean, Stefan Diggs seems like he thinks that because he's in this extremely rich position, that he can just do whatever. Like he, it doesn't seem like he's really had problems with the law or anything

because anybody who had been in trouble or was even thinking about the consequence that would not send their best friends, their closest associates to go do this with no mass on, I guess. It's just like unthinkable. Unthinkable. Like the worst criminals you could ever imagine. I think that this would be a plan that would work.

What I've seen in my lifetime is when people have gotten money, ego. Ego has destroyed a lot of people. A lot of people. And when you get money, you have to humble yourself because it can change the way you think, the way you move, the way you treat people. Yeah. And you start to treat people wrong. You start doing things.

But when you're in alignment with the universe, you understand your journey with God and all that, he has a way of humbling you badly. Yeah. And everybody I seen who had ego at one time, it was all taken away, and you had to rebuild it and get it back, and you appreciated it a lot more.

So the people listen to us, success might come you away one day be humble it only takes 10 seconds to make someone happy if you have a disagreement try to figure it out Tay Diggs situation with

me again with this Tay Diggs thing it's Stefan Diggs Let me tell you someone Let me tell you something When you said Stefan Duss I'm not going to mess it up next time I did it again With Stefan Diggs This gentleman

And too much bad rep on them. Teams monitor your off-court behavior. Yeah. Off-field behavior. They monitor you. Sometimes you don't get a big check because of your behavior because they say, why should we get that person all this money? Right.

And he was in this way. If he was this way, he was quiet. Right. When he started getting the big checks is when he changed. I feel like. him on a team everybody on the team is going to be wondering and whispering

is he gay it's like I mean it just seems like it's kind of followed him it's just hard to tell it just doesn't really you know it hasn't fully been confirmed but it seems pretty fucking confirmed

I don't know I mean he's definitely not gay but you know bye whatever yeah yeah yeah yeah you know one of the funnier things was that Chris said about his time with Stefan Diggs was that they would go out shopping.

They'd be at the designer store. And Stefan Diggs would be buying stuff for the girls and for him. Right. And then at a certain point, he kind of notices that his friends, like, Stefan Diggs is actual friends and like homies and relatives and shit.

They're just kind of standing against the wall. They're not getting anything for free. But he's buying him stuff. And then at a certain point, he starts to like think about that, like, oh, so was that him kind of grooming me. Like he saw him, he has like a potential bitch.

Right, right, right. That's interesting. How long were they friends? A couple years, I think. Maybe a year. Sometimes when you're with your homie, if that's your homie and you got more money, you like, yo, pick you out, make sure you get something.

Yeah, yeah. And especially because he's the stylist. Because he's a stylist. So, you know, he's helping you get clothes. Yeah. I don't look at it that bad. Yeah. Well, I look at bad as him with an erection,

putting the tongue in his ear. Like, we're going to, war. Yo. So, okay, you and your homie get into a fist fight. Like, you know, he just slugs you and you talk it out afterwards. But you could get over that, like, right? Like, you could get over a punch. Yeah, you get over a tongue in the ear. Oh, now I don't think so. That's too much. Not that your character is strong. Yeah. That's got to really make you question. What kind of person is this guy? Right, right. And you're going to remember that for the rest of your life. Yeah. Even when you go sleep right now, you're going to think of a motherfucker putting the tongue in your ear.

Yeah. That was kind of what I was thinking the whole time I was talking to Chris about Stefan Diggs allegedly trying to do this to him. It's just that I've never really had like a friend who then like turned gay on me and like did like tried to like do something. That would blow my mind so much. Like I'm not ready. Like it would be so confusing. I just feel like I would be very slow to process. it would be mind-blowing.

Part of me wants to go crazy, but like I said, I try to teach constraint. Yeah. That right there is difficult. Yeah. That is difficult. Tung your ear and the dick is out. Oh, no, no, no, no.

We're... We can't hang out. Yeah. Like, the car can't be close by to go to the trunk. Right. is one of those situations. And that's how your life can, that's why I move by myself.

Because people can do things and it could trigger you. And boom, you got a problem. People could be gay. People could be gay. You could just be hanging out with someone and they could just go gay on you. Yeah. I live in fear of that, really. Yeah, good, good, good.

Yeah, I live in fear of that shit too. Did you ever catch wind of what happened to, speaking of gangster shit? Me and my boy, four extra. You familiar with four extra? No, no, not at all. He's a big, tough Crip from out here, from rolling 40 Crip. Okay. And he was kind of on the podcast, like, repeated.

That's the guy held with tattoos, big dude. He does have a lot of face tattoos, but he's not Crip Mac, who I feel like you might be thinking of. Okay, okay. Because he got locked up, correct? One guy looked like Faison Love. Oh, I don't know about that. Okay.

Okay. Shut up the Faison Love, but yeah. Okay, so, you know, this, it's this guy. I've seen him. I've seen him before. Okay. So me and him had, like, a pretty good friendship going there for a while. We were doing interviews and stuff like that.

And then he ended up blowing his hand off with a firework on the 4th of July. Damn. He blew off three fingers on his right hand. Oh, man. He's kind of fucked up because, you know, he was like a legendary squabler. Like, he supposedly. beat up like 200 dudes in a row in prison or some shit like that, you know, like won 200 fights in a row.

Right. And so then that somehow turned into us kind of falling out. Like our friendship, uh, how to heart. Because he heard himself? Well, it was kind of like I did a podcast like a week after he blew the fingers off. And for the record, he still has like his hand. He just is like missing like these three fingers. Okay.

So it's kind of tough situation. Why are you mad at him because he heard himself? Well, no, he got mad at. me because I was doing a podcast with some dudes that basically their bloods, he's a Crip. Okay. And they were kind of taking some shots at him. Okay.

Giving him a little bit of a hard time. Right. And I guess I like wasn't, I didn't condemn it enough. Especially if that was your friend. Yeah, yeah. He thought that I owed him a little bit more and I think from my perspective it was kind of like, well,

these are your ops that you kind of are at war with. And when you blow your hand off, I got to give them a little bit of room to get their jokes off that they want to get off. Yeah, so you play a neutral role, but

a little too neutral. People, he became your friend. Yeah. And he took it very seriously. Yeah. You didn't see it that way. Um, I took it seriously, but I also just, I feel like I have a little bit more of like a realistic perspective

on what you could expect of a content creator. Like anybody who is going to be cool with me. Yes. Has to know that I might end up doing a podcast with your worst fucking enemy. Okay.

And they might end up talking about you. I respect that. And yeah, I'm going to hold you down. Like, if me and you are cool, like if I do an interview tomorrow with some guy that's that most anti-TK Gurgle motherfucker on a... Right.

You know, I'm going to like hold you down within the best of my ability. I'm going to try to like point out the flaws in his argument or whatever. Right. You know, I'm not going to just mindlessly buy into it. whatever they're saying.

But, you know, I don't have like the option of just being like, oh, all right, I with four extra from rolling 40 Crip. So I'm fucking with him and people that he gets along with and then nobody else. As a podcaster in the hip-hop space, that would be untenable. You know, you limit yourself. I got to play both sides. You got to play both sides. You know, I agree.

And there's a little bit of art to it because you don't want to like come off like a total asshole and you don't want to seem like you're like hyping them up against each other. Right, right. But I also, you know, I can't like take away somebody's freedom of expression just because you had a tragedy when, you know, for actually, he's kind of tried to deny it. But like, you know, he's someone who went viral for allegedly like knocking a guy out and then shoving a carrot in his ass. Right. Damn. Which he in jail.

But like, you know, he denies that. I kind of feel like he maybe did it. Okay. But I see your point. I see his point too. I see your point. A podcaster, that's how you make your money. Yeah.

You got to be limited. You got to make your money as a business. And that's something that I always wanted young men who came on any podcast to understand what comes out your mouth is very important. You influence the culture. You could get yourself locked up. Or you can lose friends. Yeah. So be careful what you say.

Be mindful or what comes at your mouth because it can go the wrong way. Because people can't comprehend sometimes what you're saying. They hear it differently. Yeah, me and Forrester actually squashed our beef recently. We did a podcast together. Okay, great, great, great, great. He told me that at one point, because he invited me to the studio at one point. And he told me when we did the interview that he was actually planning to kill me.

Okay. So I'm pretty glad I didn't go to the studio that day. Right, right. He might have just whoop my ass, but I also feel like maybe it could have gone too far and he could have just murdered me. Yeah. Yeah.

That's my point. You never know. Yeah. You never know. I like this life. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want to die. Not yet.

But, yeah, so you're not up on the Crip Macalore either? No. Oh, okay. No. I stay wait for anything that got in the streets. Okay. Yeah. You could talk about guys.

You could talk about anything positive. Right. Comedy world. Acting. That's the way I go. More your land. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, some of these guys kind of take on their own life where they become like social media stars kind of outside of the whole gang. And I wish them will because they get checks from that, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think what podcasting has done. Did you create your own business to get a check, man? Yeah. The world has changed.

Like you can really set up cameras, get a team together, and do it right and monetize content and really make a lot of money. Yeah. I mean, that's the theory. It is kind of weird when I look at hip hop, though, and it feels like there's been so many podcasts over the years, but just so few of them have really stuck. Yes. Or become like real businesses or something that even kind of... They're missing something. I just think that like the reality is, is that the audience for some, like a group of people

sitting around talking about rap related topics is not the biggest audience. Or it's just hard to pull off. There's so much competition. How many hours does the average person want to spend watching hip-hop oriented roundtable content per week? per week. Right. I'm going to say maybe like an hour, maybe two hours on average. You got to have a variety of things.

Yeah. On your show. Okay. You got to have a variety because you want to reach the world. Yeah. Not just L.A. Yeah. You want to reach people in Spain.

You want to reach people in Russia. You want to reach people in Paris, France. Yeah. That's the goal. At least that's what I think. Well, if you're talking about hip-hop, it is kind of hard to hit some of those audiences since, like, they might listen to hip-hop, but I don't think they're, like, watching. Americans break down hip hop so much.

Not at all. Yeah. Not at all. Yeah. That's so true. Yeah. Hip hop podcast. Like hip hop is, I don't want to say niche because it obviously has like a huge footprint,

but, you know, it's kind of niche. And then podcast content about hip hop is even more niche. And it does feel like, I don't know. I just, there was a lot of optimism about the business of hip hop podcasting at one point. Right. And I just feel like a lot of times people are not necessarily having the conversation about how much of that has kind of vanished. Like going back in time, I remember when Revolt, Diddy's Revolt had Joe Button create an entire show on Revolt called State of the Culture that was basically just going to be, you know, a panel of Joe Budden and different, you know, Remy Ma was one of the people, you know. So they got like high paid talent and shit.

all with the idea of creating this consistent corporate funded content about people just talking about hip-hop. And realistically, I think it lasted like a year and then it went away. And the idea of a big corporation funding something like that at this point is, you know, when complex funded academics and Joe Biden to do everyday struggle, which was like the biggest show at a certain point, that just feels like such a different era that I don't know the way I'm saying that again.

I'm curious what's going to happen in the next shit two years in the podcast world you know but the real soldiers will last you guys will be around for a long time but you got to take it seriously

you know one day at a time got to make sure the right equipment the right team right studio some people do podcasts Because some people try to book me sometime. I'm like, are you monetizing? They say no. So what the fuck you're in the business for?

Wait, so you ask them for money and then they say that night. No, I'm just asking, are you monetizing? I'm like a consultant talking to people, especially when they start. If you're not in this to get no money, it doesn't make sense to sit down and just be talking to people. I mean, you do have to, like, upload a certain amount of content before you people allow you to monetize. Or get like a certain number of watch hours.

and subscribers or some shit. Yeah, you got to be over $8,000. It's not that much. You know, realistically, you could kind of like just do whatever. You might. Get signed up. Yeah. If you're going to do this guys, take it seriously.

Yeah. You know, take it seriously because the money's here. I mean, it's like nowadays when somebody tells me that they're going to start a podcast and they just tell me like, yeah, I'm starting a podcast. And I'm just like, oh, yeah. It's just like, I'm just looking at the podcast. I'm like, what do you think is going to happen? Like, and not even on some hate that shit, but just like, you know, do you really think

that people are going to, like, who are you going to interview that hasn't already been interviewed? And then let's say you get other interviews. Well, like, why are people going to watch your interviews with those people as opposed to watching Vlad and me or whoever the fuck interview them? You know, you're kind of late to the game. Like, do you really think you're better on Canada? than everybody else who's kind of out there right now like that put in years i mean it just

kind of feels like are you serious like i just i don't i don't you know i just i don't know like i don't want to be like demotivating people but i also just don't really know what the fuck they could possibly think i agree is at the end of that rainbow you know right like like i think if you are somebody who has talent as on-camera personality do fucking tiktos do short form content right and then maybe at some point branch out and start doing a podcast or something like that but like realistically i would try to like be part of a bigger platform because like you need to like build your fan base up one way or another and if you're somebody who has potential even if you fucking hate no jumper i would say go to no jumper and do six months right if you if you can you know because you got to do it you got to be on the inside I know how this works. You just need eyeballs on you. You need eyeballs.

You have to understand this business. This is, but do you do internship? Not in a long time. We should do that. We should do that. Especially like you get your team to go to one of the colleges in the local area and that way somebody who can go work for

you can get credit, you don't have to pay them. Well, so what we have done a couple times we'll do these events where we have people come and try to like basically compete to become a host. on a jumper in a variety of like podcast type events and then we pick a winner. Did you talk to doughboy out there? I think so.

So I said a little. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You know him? I don't know him, no. Okay. They all know the OG, but. Okay.

Yeah. They know the OG. Do boy, yeah, he's made a splash on here, but he was the winner of the second host competition. Oh, great, great. That we did. But he already had some experience on like, wow. out okay and doing stuff with like all deaf digital and shit like that so he was kind he's actually

like the first person that became a new jumber host that that already had professional broadcasting experience to some extent right because i'm thinking about the behind the things too you don't always have to be in front of the camera right get behind the things too and learn this game you know editing and all the kind of whatever that gentleman is doing over there you know what He's running the switcher So when the camera changes Okay, yeah That's phenomenal

Yeah It's so many ways that you can make money today Yeah Not facts And then you do interviews every day Uh nearly Okay good Yeah

Okay so this is your life Pretty much Yeah Yeah And how many years you've been doing it now About 11 11 wow Yeah

So I think I was here Maybe five years ago Something like that Like right About five Because time went by fast Yeah they went by super fast

did you see yourself as a podcaster you think you'd handle it like for the time I was getting ready to do I was gonna start a podcast what I never wanted to be involved is depending on an artist to show up I think that's because I know people

have situations and I don't want to be dependent on you and you can't make it because I would take it kind of personal so what I did find out that what I like is going around the world doing what I do sitting here with you. Because guess what? I could depend on me. You tell me to be there,

I'm going to be there. So I depend on me and I show up. So what? You actually proactively go out of your way to get paid podcast appearances in a whole bunch of different cities? All over the world. Okay. Yeah, all over the world. So you'll reach out to them. So they'll reach out to me. Either way. Or I've done it before, et cetera, et cetera. And again, it's about relationships. I've been doing it so long that I have relationships. We saw each other. We knew immediately. Let's put this thing back. together and been on hand a while. Right.

It's the same with everybody from everybody I deal with. Drink champs, Angelides, Breakfast Club, Vlad. Oh my God, bag fuel, growth business,

my guys out in Miami. It's a beautiful thing. Let me ask you this. Where do you stand on the Nolan Wells situation? I think that black people when they, anytime around more than three,

white people, they should always carry a folding chair. To attack them with pro wrestling stuff? Remember the thing in Alabama when they had the fight and the guy took the folding chair and was whooping their ass? I do, yeah. Yeah, so I think all black people should carry a folding chair and you feel anything suspicious, clap that muck up a cup of time and let them know you ready. Right.

But the Nolan, that's just my little joke on it, but the Nolan Wilson thing is gotten too confusing. And that's the thing about social media and the news Because once you put out different stories People are going to gravitate to what they think might be true Right And only people that really needs to know is detectors And how to catch the person that killed them Or persons that killed them

Because it's been a nonstop Flood of fake news Yes The entire time Yes And so frequently like a pitcher came out of him around a pool with all of his friends. And there's this whole round of news

and all these viral tweets and posts saying like, look at how they were all together at that night or whatever. And then somebody comes out and says, no, that photo is from like two weeks earlier, whatever. And it's just then you have to go through this whole process again. And it's- Isn't it something when you see something now? You can react, but if you take the time to think,

man, let me do my due diligence. Yeah, if you're halfway intelligent, you spend a second checking yourself thinking, well, this is really true? You got to check yourself. On everything. This is the world we live in now, man. And people react. You have less of that when it's an official account from a name you trust? Yes.

If I see a New York Times article that says that something happened, I'm going to be a lot more likely to think that it's true than if it's some random. Because I've said a couple of things on different podcasts. that I actually read somewhere, and I was slightly wrong. Yeah. I admit that. And some people have corrected me, but it's because I read it somewhere, and I didn't do my doodilies. So I said, play it, make mistakes.

So I will, as we move forward, even today, as we move forward, I'm going to always hold myself accountable to make sure I know what I'm saying before it comes out of my mouth. Yeah, I know. It's crazy, especially in this day and age where just as a public figure, you're kind of expected to have an opinion about fucking everything in political circles and all these, all these things you never signed up. You want to be right. You want to be right. Yeah. Or as a somewhat accurate.

Right. I mean, you just, you know, it used to be that you could just be a comic or a podcast or I guess or whatever. And now it's kind of like, no, you need to like be able to wade into all kinds of things. And especially like, think about the Nolan Wells thing. Like in another timeline or another era, it might have been a case where we didn't even know about it until they got the autopsy. Yeah. Until they got some shit that confirms it. Right.

But instead, we get to spend a couple of months with everybody panicking and freaking out about everything. Just like the young lady, the radio lady, TV radio host whose mother disappeared. Oh, I've seen that, but I forgot her name. Gertritha, Gertrhy, something like that. Yeah. Mom disappeared. TMZ was the head people investigating their thing. Not the detectives.

Yeah. They like live saying what possibly could happen then. That's what I mean. All that damages a case. Yeah, no, definitely. I mean, I'm kind of dealing with a weird version of it right now because basically like my wife has a stalker because she's like a porn star and she's right and so the guy reported it he basically like is being

misled by somebody pretending to be her that he is sending money to and so he was told to file divorce papers for us and forge our signatures so he's basically like he thinks that my wife like needs to be saved from me and so he's fine filing these divorce papers. And so it was like posted on TMZ and all this shit. Oh my God. And then like all those same outlets posted that it wasn't true. Right.

It came out that it wasn't true. But everybody remembers like every day I meet people who think that I'm divorced. And I have to explain that that wasn't true. Man. Because the story about it was so much more viral than the story about it. Right. Isn't that something once the bad part is out? Because people gravitate towards the bad stuff.

Yeah. They never hear the results. Yeah. apology sometimes never because i think people have just been waiting on us to break up for all these years okay want it so bad it would just make them feel great and uh yeah as a result they just the people love like a news story that like confirmed something that they already thought that they absolutely could have predicted right i agree yeah definitely so um did you uh how did you end up feeling about the whole carmelo anthony situation

now that it feels like that whole thing has kind of escaped the public eye. Do you feel like he got a fair deal with the 35 years? Or what do you think would have been fair? That whole situation is bad. I'll tell you why. One, I used to run track. Okay. One, why you got a knife at a track meet.

Oh. That bothered me. Yeah. Okay, that bothered me. Two, when you get jumped or somebody's bothering you, you deal with it. come back and you fight like a man. Yeah. Right? You fight like a man. The third thing,

when they raised the go fund me money. Right. And they raised like over $800,000. Yeah. And they was looking for attorneys. One turn, I think, one, and no, it's true. So we was dealing with this, right? One attorney looks for the $500,000. One turn is $50,000. And they went with the cheaper attorney.

Yeah. And one thing I know, and I tell people all the time, is that there's a lot of the time. Yeah, we can find out. Okay. What I found out in life is that when your life is on the line, you spend every damn dime for your freedom. Right.

Freedom has no price. If you got the money, spend it. And I think that is somewhat hurt him a lot as well. Because when you have a black guy, a white guy, and they say this, oh, look what happened to him. He got less time because he was white. You know what nobody never says? What?

His attorney. Attorneys make a difference. And do you have a record? Yeah. People don't know your record has a lot to do with your sentencing. Right. Yeah. I mean, honestly, like when I think about that situation,

I kind of like recall this one night where I was out, I was probably like 25 or something. I'm out in the bar, and there was some dude that was wasted, and he, like, clearly was not fucking with me. Right. And was, like, possibly going to punch me or do something to me, right? And I have a fucking knife in my pocket, right? Because I'm fucking, I can't fight.

So, but I'm kind of thinking in my head, I'm like, because the guy's kind of big, too. Okay. And I'm kind of thinking, like, if this guy swings on me, I'm going to fucking pull the knife out and swinging at him, you know? and I got it like right in my finger like ready to flick it or whatever and I just always think about in that situation and I forget what even happened that night or that maybe I think the bar led out and the cops came for something unrelated so like

nothing ever went down or whatever but I think about in that situation imagine if things had came together perfectly where he had pushed me and then I swan the knife at him And instead of nicking him on the arm or tapping his fucking love handle or slicing a little tiny piece, instead I just landed that perfect shot. Because I mean, we all, like dudes get stabbed in prison with big fucking knives all the time.

You hear about guys getting stabbed 50 times they don't die. That's true. It's like this so easily 99 times out of 100 would have been a, situation in which this kid just stabbed the dude and then it turned into a fight and he didn't die and it was kind of whatever and nobody ever heard about it because it wasn't that remarkable right and it's just like the it's just kind of a luck thing that he just like every once in a while

when someone swings a knife they're just going to swing it a little too good and just kill the guy and one shot and that's why when I see fights on social media it's always a little extra scary when you're old enough to know what could happen bingo punch somebody the right way you hit you right in the See, knowledge sometimes is a gift and a curse. Yeah, yeah. When you are knowledgeable, you know if you hit somebody the wrong way, probably just even fight. That person falls, hit their head on the curve.

Yeah. Or you did something to their brain, and the person dies. It was a small fight, but y'all was fighting, and he got hit the wrong way. Yeah. It's over. Your life is over. Yeah.

Because it was just a small thing. you could have walked away from it and live a decent life for the rest of your life. But yet, you're in a jail cell with other men that's smelly, horrible food. Take a shower once a week, sometimes every two weeks. Underway the other men, other prisoners have worn. I mean, like, yeah, even something that's simple is just swinging on somebody.

Even something is simple. It's like a high percentage of the time when you swing on somebody, it's not going to land so perfectly that you knock the guy out the first shot. But if it does, and if their head falls from up here to the ground with nothing to cushion that blow at all, then you are looking at a situation

where like it's pretty fucking likely that guy could die. The videos they show on social media, the person always wakes up, right? He's okay. But it always happened in real life. You can hear the person the wrong, way or just too hard they die before they even hit the ground and also when you are a celebrity who

either has money or is perceived to have money it really doesn't even matter if they get seriously injured or hurt or whatever because whatever you're worth they're going to probably sue you absolutely and it might cause you know on the on the cheap end up costing you 10k or 15 20k and that's the way you heard somebody who likes money yeah me and you like money yeah to sue me for that kind of money, I'm going to be pissed. Yeah. That's why I won't put myself in that situation. Yeah. Nah.

How you walk away from it, though? Like, when's the last time you were in a real competition? You got to walk away. I've been in a situation maybe 10, 10, 13 years ago. It almost led to murder. Oh. Yeah. So this was the situation when you pulled the gun out that, who was it, Phazon? These Phazon love stopped you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I heard about this one. Okay, yeah.

You forget that you talk about these things, right? I damn shit, yeah. You saw it in my eyes, right? You saw it. You saw it. So what did the guy do that made you so mad that you pulled the gun out of? They jumped me. Oh, all right. Outside a comedy club?

Inside the comedy club. What for? Because I was late to a show. What the fuck? Yeah, some dumb shit. Of all things. Yeah, I was late. And so these are like employees of the club?

There was owner and some of his employees. They was flukies for this guy. And they thought they were on some gangster shit? Yeah, that's exactly what they thought. Were they Italian or something? No, they was black. Oh. They was really thought they was on some gangsters shit.

Both of them dead, though. Wow. Yeah, both of them were dead. For unrelated reasons? Yeah, unrelated. Make sure I'm say that unrelated. It's on the hit. Yeah.

That's good. And I just wasn't having it. Because I was going through, this is what I'm saying, choices. I've been there that you've got to make painful choices. Painful. To live the life that you want. Sometimes you have to say, do I really want the life that I really want? Because you got to do painful things.

You can't get in trouble. And thank God Phazon was there. Because it was really about to go down. Right. And he snatched me out, took me in the car and drove me away. We was walking upstairs. Yeah. He would have been any later.

There's no telling what my life would be right now. Do you think that you were to shot him in the head or just... Oh, I was going to blast the whole lot of spot up. Really? It was being a couple guys. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy.

But my, you know, I got grandkids, my son. Even at that time? No, no. Oh, no. You know? And that's what I'm saying you don't think about the future, right? and to be here with you, living in Paris, France.

That's why I live out. I've been there for a few years. I know you're doing out there. I just to fly my fuck, I do fly shit. But isn't it kind of alienating? Nah, no, no, no. I like it.

I like sitting in the corner, around the corner from my apartment, sipping on cappuccino, having some pizza sometimes. Do you have a social circle out there? No, no. You don't? It's just really a flex to celebrate

they didn't get me. Okay. Am I making sense? I mean, you're like, anonymous out there, you know? And I feel good. Like I, because the, black people don't get to go to Berlin and Spain and China and stay at the Ritz-Colton. Yeah.

You know, if you ever go to Berlin and stay at the Ritz-Colton. Okay. Oh, man. Yeah. On a whole not a level. Really? And they got a cigar bar in there. Oh.

That's phenomenal. Now, I'm sitting there. I don't know, no German. Uh-huh. But you couldn't have told me a motherfucker thing because I felt amazing. So you got an apartment there, but then you just come to America all the time? Yeah, I come to America all the time. Okay.

Yeah. because this is where I work. And me being the senior says, I have to stay here, you know, kind of, because Social Security and all that kind of stuff. Oh, really? Yeah. So you have to, so you stay in France, but do you pay taxes in France? No, I pay taxes here.

Oh, okay. So I live there, but I go back and forth. So I don't have a visa because if you have a visa in Paris, and I think that's one of the countries, you won't get your Social Security. Okay. And I worked hard to get my Social Security. definitely so that dude doboy that you were talking to out there he recently confided to me on the podcast that he's been depressed lately because he feels like he might die alone he's 46 he's morbidly obese

he looks like he's melting he's kind of at a crossroads of like what he wants to do with his life and everything and it just occurs to me that like you're someone who seems perfectly happy to not be in a long-term relationship or to not get married. And for you, it doesn't seem like a source of stress at all. Whereas for him, I feel like he's in a bit of a crisis. People are different. You get, you know, to live the life I live,

you really have to be disciplined and really strong. Yeah. Because when I do have those moments where I think I want to have that woman laying next to me. But the myth is that everybody thinks that when they die, somebody's going to be there. Right. That's what's so hilarious.

People think that I don't want to die long. You die in alone unless you commit suicide and take somebody with you. Well, you could die before your partner. Or you could die for your partner. But that is kind of fucked up to be like hoping that you die before your partner so that you have them with you. Exactly. Rather than hoping that they die before you so that you can be there for them. But also at that point, I mean, the, I don't.

idea of dying alone is pretty depressing from my perspective but I don't know I mean the idea of like forcing yourself into a relationship that you don't necessarily feel happy with right now because you're going to die in like 20 or 30 years that that just seems like weird logic to me you have to be trying to maximize your happiness long term but I think being with someone that you don't get along with at 46 just so that you might have someone with you and 20 years from now? Right. Oh, that's sad.

That my day is depressing. It just seems unlikely to work. Like, I'm not dependent on nobody. Like, my funeral is already paid. Not my funeral. My service is already paid for. Wow. Everything is done.

I'm not putting that on my children to have anything done. Matter of fact, there is not even going to be a funeral. Really? It's not even a memorial service. Not even a get-together. Nah, I just want to be a fucking leave. You don't want your family to have a moment together to celebrate your life? Nope.

I mean, they're gonna, probably. Probably, but I don't know. Like, they're probably going to, like, at least have, like, a group chat. Yeah, yeah. I think the reason why I got that way is because everybody and my family's deceased. So my dad died when I was 14, was 35. Okay. Nobody in my family lived to be 60 years old.

Everybody was gone before I was 40. So you're kind of like the last of the dying breed? No, that kind of. I am. Okay. Yeah. But then you got all these kids and shit, right? Yeah.

I have my children. How many? Seven. Yeah. So that alone is... Yeah, but even when I leave, it's a brat. And all of them are not getting any money either. Where's the money going?

I got a certain place I was going to send it to. Really? Yeah. But not the kids. They don't deserve it? Well, it depends. I believe in the merit system. Are any of them delivering on what they should be?

Yeah. My oldest daughter is a doctor. She's a brain surgeon. My oldest son is executive out here in Los Angeles, California. Well, it's kind of ironic because like a brain surgeon. doesn't really need like a couple hundred grand, right? Like she already got money. My thing with my children is to see they're self-sufficient.

Right. The girls are soft and women. My boys are men and that's priceless in a world that we live in today. Right. Priceless. Right. And I take pride and it means a lot to me. Yeah.

It really does. Yeah. No, definitely. It's kind of weird, like, the fact that, like, my parents are going to give me money when they die. When, like, clearly every year it gets less valuable for me to be given money, you know, like... I totally agree. But then also, like, early in your life, giving someone a bunch of money is a really bad idea. So, like, if you gave me, like, $500,000 at $20, it would have been a disaster.

Right. If you gave it to me at 30, it would have been pretty helpful. If you gave it to me now, it would be helpful but not that helpful. You wouldn't really be able to care. It kind of crossed that bridge at a certain point. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. Because once you get past a certain point, you don't feel it.

Yeah. Matter of fact, you want more. Yeah. You just look at your account. Yeah, I don't know if this is enough. Yeah. But you still want more, but if something happens, you know, you okay. It's a beautiful feeling. Right. It's a beautiful feeling. But you're not

stressed and giving it to your kids. I'm not stressed about none of that. What happens, happens. Right. I love them all. It's just that's how I feel right now sitting with you. Are you like not particularly close to them? I love very close. Okay. Yeah. It's just the way I think and the way I move. Yeah, that's all. People think everything has to be about money, but not with me. think differently yeah people find that out during when they talk to me i feel like you and i are like different types of dudes because i feel like my problem is that like i could be with like a lot of different girls like i love women yes and i feel like you are somebody who is able like meet a lot of women a lot of women and somehow you don't end up getting into relationships with them so much i i have

like a real problem with that when I'm single like yeah I just start dating everybody you know what I think my situation was the headaches that come with the bullshit yeah I hate headaches I hate issues I hate problems that you cause for yourself yeah and I got tired of being the fixer the motivational speaker yeah therapists got tired so I've always focused on me and look at the results I'm damn there 70 yeah and blessed they call me Benjamin Biden does anything slow down at 70 though

like what's the worst parts like well a great thing I still got erection I still don't need no medication but it's mental though see if you aggrate me I can't you really yeah it's really that dopamine is very serious

I got to be mentally attracted to you deep to fuck you like a porn star. That's how deep I go. If the connection's not there, I don't even want to be bothered with you. It's weird. And like I said, I used to be, I like to use the word slutty or a hole to make it funny.

But I was out there. I was doing my thing. Yeah. Like an old school player. Yeah, old school player, you know? And then I realized today, sitting here in this chair, I wasted my motherfucker time.

Really? Yeah. But it also gave you an amazing. amount of experience. Like, like in terms of you making a decision about being with a woman long term, you have almost the opposite problem that a lot of young people have, which is that you have way too much information. Yes.

Where it's kind of hard for any one woman to stand out. You kind of know too much about what you don't like and what you're particular about. You're Jerry Seinfeld. Yes. Where it's like every episode he's got a new beautiful woman. Right. And he's finding something wrong with them that is like, That is so true.

Right. Yeah. Because to be in a relationship, you've got to kind of be naive. Mm. It helps. Yeah. Yeah. It does.

Am I right or wrong? Yeah. It does. Yeah. If you really were like a hardened person that like knows everything about the world. Yes. Like a like a prostitute or some shit. Then like you're just, it's going to be hard for you to like take the idea of a relationship

serious. Yes. You know, those kind of girls. And I'm smart. And peace of mind is my key. To hand your peace to someone is one of the most powerful things that man can do to his life. Because that person holds the power to your peace for years. Uh-huh.

For years. And if you're a man who's vulnerable and really love hard and that woman cheats on you or steals from you, That's why the kids a day crash out or kill the girl because they're not tough. They're too emotional. And older guys too, that happens to older guys too. Me personally, nah. I like you. It might hurt if you did something, but it's going to hurt me the longest I could be in pain over a woman.

It's probably three days. days. Three days. I feel it. Three days. If she dies, you're in love with her and she dies three days? I never had that happen yet. Okay.

That's a different ball game right there. Yeah. Yeah, that's a different ball game. If the mother of your kids dies, for sure, you got to be fucked up from one. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Two weeks for sure.

Oh, no, longer than that. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Because my kids' moms are important to my kids. because I got seven baby moms. Yeah. So each one of them are attached to their mom.

And so if something happens to their mother, that's why I always try to make sure they're healthy, make sure they're doing right. I want them to eat good because I need y'all to be here to do the rest, even though my kids are grown. I just know because I always get praise on how I made it to where I am with my family being gone. Because most people say I couldn't have lived

if my mom, dad, and brothers died. And that's something that we need to talk to people about is parents need to teach their children how to survive when they die. It's not talked about enough. And kids lose it. They get depressed. They kill themselves sometime. My kid is five and a half. And if I were to talk to her about the idea of me dying.

Yeah. No, that's too young. No, that's too young. You got to wait until they older. You know, you got to wait to the older and explain to them. this is what you need to do. When daddy leaves. Because you want to say that,

but then you have to prepare yourself too. They can leave before you. And that can hurt. Yeah, that's intense. That's intense right there. I don't wish that on no motherfucker body. Yeah, that's hardcore. To live with that?

Definitely. Yeah. That's ugly. Yeah, that's ugly. I just had Michael Blackson on recently. Nice guy. Yeah. Yeah, but you guys have issues with each other?

No, no, no, no. It was never an issue. They got to put to bed? It was never an issue. There was issues at one point. No, no, no. He had, we was at a show, and I think something came up by how much money I made. And I just said the number, and they said I didn't make that kind of money.

He said you were lying. Yeah, he said I was lying. But then they see the Bentley, they see the Aston Martin. But a lot of people don't know I moved differently. Two, I think the world that we live in today, I don't know when they started, announcing people's salaries. How much a person makes. That got to be the most dumbest thing I've ever seen in my life.

That people go around talking about how much money they got. I'm old school. You don't talk about what you have. So it was never issued. I just think it got into the media and it went another way. I don't know. I never paid attention to it. But me and Mike is good.

Yeah, yeah. I had him on here the other day. Yeah, nice guy. Yeah, he had a little bit of a flare-up. Our interview got pushed back by like six months because he ended up having a baby with his side chick. Yes, I heard about that. And his wife was not happy about that.

Yeah. So I guess he didn't want to do an interview at a certain point. And see, that's the kind of problems I don't want in life. Yeah. All that's aggravating to me. Yeah. But again, what happened there? He did it to himself.

Yeah. He could have fucked in that and that in there. Yeah. That's my point about men. you put yourself in these situations and then you get mad at yourself. I never had a hard time pulling out. I did.

For real? Yeah, I think my hip muscles was weak when I was younger. I don't know what it is. It asked me that shit now. Yeah? I can pull out. I can pull out all day.

I don't understand people who can't. Yeah. It's confusing to me. Yeah, I totally agree. It's a mental thing. Yeah. When I sit back now, I deal with it, and I just want other men

And see, times are much harder when I was coming up. I'll tell men, before you have sex, you think you're going to have a child with a woman, just go to a couple daycares in your area. Let's see how much that shit costs. Price it out. Exactly. You won't even need a condom.

Yeah. Just ask the, hey, I like, how much would it cost for me to have a baby and how much would it change my life? Exactly. Have a little chat. Yes. And watch with the numbers.

Some people, daycare, is more than a mortgage. Yeah. That's insane. Just so that you can work so that you can give like all the money that you're making to the daycare

to raise your kid. Yes. And then also the money going into your apartment or wherever you stay at. So you're working all the time and all your money is going into this kid that you realistically

don't even get to see that much. It's kind of crazy, bro. Like my mom didn't even stop. Like now thinking about it, like, I think my mom only took like a few months off for work and then put me in a fucking daycare. Man. Think about that. It's like, that's crazy. Like just the idea of like going back nine to five after like a couple months.

Right. She had to. Yeah, she had to. She had to. Like, I feel like if I was in that situation, I wouldn't even have a kid. That's my point. But that's a lot of people's questions. But, see, because people.

have sex not understand sex makes babies not love everybody is walking straight guaranteed 90% 99% of the people

were not planned everybody you was born because your mother father was fucking yeah that's it yeah

but it was no plan went into it when I see homeless people and people under the bridge and all that I think about their parents

yeah was you accident was you loved like how did it turn out this way for you? Yeah. Or did your parents abandon you at one point because you was just a fucked up child?

Yeah. So many things. And I think people should, when you, especially men and women, look at the person, you know, you can't tell in two or three months. That's why girls who have three babies before 40. Yeah.

And not with the dad. Then you meet a guy who got a shit together. And you want that person to love you, But again, go back to say when you're knowledgeable, it's kind of difficult. Yeah. Kind of difficult because to be a young lady, another young lady explained to me that she wanted to get married.

I said, ain't nobody marrying you with three fucking kids. She said, TK, you really mean? I said, listen to me. Men don't want that responsibility. I say, now you could wait till your children are grown and out the house. You have a better shot. Yeah.

But also by that point, you're going to be. like 50 or 60. Yes. And that's what I say invest in yourself and make sure you look good. Most women, when they get older, they let themselves go. Right.

You have to invest in your health and your look so that when your kids leave, you're still somewhat attractive. Yeah. A lot of women, they're 60s and 50s don't look good.

No. And that's why nobody's hollering at them. Yeah. And they can put the makeup on the wig or whatever. But you get to keep your body because men are visual. I mean, I say this as somebody who is in the porn game.

And by the time a woman is like in her early 40s, I mean, it is rarefied air. Like very few women who still realistically look good enough to be serious porn stars in their early 40s. Right. Even in the late 30s, you know, realistically like, you know, chicks kind of start aging. out of looking the part, you know,

and especially if you've had a couple kids, it's tough, and if you haven't taken care of yourself of these. I mean, really, the girls are still good at 41 or 42 or whatever are the ones who were militant about diet, thank you. Exercise. Their plastic surgery went well.

And you got to take it seriously. Yeah. You can't play with it. Because you understand, men are visual. Yeah. If you look good, somebody's going holl at you.

Then you got to be good, look good on the inside. Yeah. Then you got to have your life kind of together. Can't be fucked up. I mean, I'm at a young lady

gorgeous in her 60s. Really? But she fucked up financially if it was done through a divorce. She didn't prepare for the future. Yeah. But I, being knowledgeable,

I don't want to be part of that. Yeah. I'm just being smart. You're not trying to save her? Yeah, I'm not saving no motherfucker body. What would be your, preferred age if you were going to get into a serious relationship right now. I thought about that today is amazing.

I would have to go young. Okay. But how young? Like 33, 34. Okay. And the reason why no kids, they just get in their life together and I want peace of mind. So to have peace, some of these girls that I notice and they think no children, good jobs. But you want a 33, 34, who has decided not to have kids because that's usually kind of around the time where they sort of have to make.

You can't, you, you, you, if you, I'm not trying to get married. Yeah. So if you want to have, I, I'll get you prepared for the muff, it's going to get married. Oh. I'll get you ready for that guy. But I'm not, I'm not having no more children. My will and all that shit is done. You get the deceptomy?

No, not yet. No, I'm not going to get it. Just pulling out. I'm not even, I'm not, my soul you, my sex life is done. And if I am going to come on, make sure there's an old bitch that got a hysterectomy. That's real. Yeah, you can leave you dicking them all. day and let it drip and not have a problem.

See, okay, this is the problem with being single. Okay. Is that if you're a guy who's in the public eye and you've got your relationship under control, meaning you've got a long-term girlfriend or a long-term wife or whatever, then you realistically are going to have to fuck up pretty bad to get like PR that, you know, if you just go to work and then you go home to your wife, maybe you go out to some parties or whatever. It's hard to have like a bad PR moment. Whereas if you're dating, if you are going, never mind if you're going to clubs,

if you're going out to parties, if you're drinking and you're meeting women and flirting with different women and giving out your number and getting people's numbers and taking a girl on a couple dates and not really letting it go anywhere or whatever, it's like it's a ticking time bomb in terms of this somehow coming to the surface and impacting your public image. Now, for somebody like me or you, if a girl comes out and says, oh, I was kind of dating TK. Or Adam and they were like, he was kind of shitty to me or whatever. Or he was a dick or whatever. I mean, it's kind of like whatever.

We already don't have like the cleanest public image. But it's like just having that element of chaos in your life and knowing that at any given time a woman could say anything she wants about you. And she's someone that you let in your bedroom. Right. And there was no camera set up and she could realistically say anything from minor things to the most serious of accusations. You know, like just being single

feels chaotic in a way that is not really attractive to me. And I would, if I was to become single, that's like probably the biggest thing to consider. A big example. And social media came. You know how being a celebrity

we take pictures of people. A young lady I was dating, she was a doctor. Gorgeous. But her mom. mind wasn't right. And she said, she said, you got a lot of girlfriends. I said, what do you mean? She sent me pictures of about 10, 15 women. She got off social media that I had no fucking idea who it was. But these women had with light skin and long hair. Right. Okay, here come to

psychology. I said, there's something wrong with you. She said, what do you mean? I said, every woman on here is light skin and light hair. You got something against women who are light skin and long hair. Was she dark skin? She was dark skin. Short hair? No, she was gorgeous. Okay. But she had her own hair, whatever, but

not one picture was of a dark woman. Right. And I said, there's something wrong with your psyche. Because one, I don't know who these women are, and you picked all these women. Now, I can't date all these 15 girls that you sent me pictures of. And three, I have no idea who the fuck they are. It was at a show. I took a picture.

You can see the DVDs in my hand. Those are the pictures. problems that I have dating people not understanding yeah or people who don't get it yeah something just don't make sense and I I got to a point I just can't explain things no more you it is what it is whatever you feel yeah you'll see when you get my age yeah you can't explain the shit no damn more yeah yeah trust me no I already before my wife I started to notice more and more that my relationships, I would like meet a girl,

seemed like it was going, okay, spend some time together. And I'm talking, you know, like hang out a couple times or whatever, they sleep over a couple of times. And then I was getting to the point where they would say, like, one thing that pissed me off that I would just like, not even like, oh, we're fighting about it. Right. Just kind of be like, just mentally like, no, okay.

We're done. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just. That's where I'm at. That's where I'm at. Okay. That's where I'm at. The craziest thing, I'm like, I ain't got time for this shit.

Yeah. That's exactly how I feel. Yeah. And what's so beautiful about this, you can meet somebody else. Yeah. It's not like it's one person. Yeah. You could actually go out and meet another person and get that person a shot to after two days.

Yeah. No, for sure. That is the good part. about just living in a major city. Absolutely. There's a lot of... Or just having the gift of gab and having the personality.

Yeah. We are able to walk up to women. See, the young kids, they don't know how to talk. Yeah, yeah. They want TikTok to do their thing. Yeah. Like, now it's like,

if I'm hanging out with a girl who's like 23, and I'm being myself, which is basically just babbling of all times, talking about fucking whatever. I mean, part of it's because they're fucking young and nervous

and like I'm famous or whatever, so they're like, feel weird about me. But it's like, And usually there's a girls that I'm about to do porn with. But like, then they just like, it stands out that like they don't know how to operate around somebody who's just talking about random shit all the time because they are used to being around people that don't really talk. Totally agree. Or don't have good subject matters.

Yeah. See, people who are intelligent, we don't be a little bit of everything. You being in this podcast, you are privileged to different walks of life. and if you say some shit that I don't know about I'll just be like so what's that about exactly yeah and they don't they don't that that's weird to them yes yeah yes that's so true

and that's uh or like you say if you talk too much and too much and it's not about nothing oh no I can't do that yeah I can't do that my mind won't allow it my spirit won't allow it yeah no

no way I got a friend that you know I'll tell you off camera who I'm talking talking about okay he is famous and recently back on the single scene okay older guy meets a girl online she's a little haughty she's sexy yeah she's kind of young though she's like in her 20s okay no how's guys don't know he hangs out with her flies her out and they get into a huge explosive fight because she wants to film a tic-tok and

And he just says, I don't do that. Like, I'm not doing a fun. Like, I keep my fucking dating life private. I'm not doing a TikTok with you. Right. And she gets so mad that she, like, storms out and leaves and ruins the trip. I guess they had already had sex, but. Yeah, go.

Get the fuck out of here. I've had that happen with me. Really? I want to do a TikTok. I'm not doing no fucking TikTok. No way. And kids, if you take them out to eat, you know what they do? What?

They want to take pictures of everything at the restaurant and put it on social media. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's it. No. I'd like for a woman to come out that shit don't, it doesn't matter. Don't fazer? Doesn't faze you. See, I feel like an old head when I take photos of it because I feel like if there's anyone younger, they're going to think that I'm being an old head, being like, oh, I got it took a picture of my fucking sandwich.

No, I mean, you could do that. I would do something like that by myself. Okay. But not on a date. Yeah. Not on a date. My wife was on my case for it the other day because I had the flash on in a dark restaurant taking photos of my food.

She was on you? The flash is what she thought was really tacky. And it was video. So it's not just a bright flash. It's a sustained light. Right, right. She just. Well, that's your wife.

She was embarrassed. Yeah. She was like, you're acting like a cringe old man. How old are you now? 42. Oh, you're a baby, yo. I'm getting there, though. 42 wow you know so start slow now I'm gonna be your granddad yeah you could be

younger and that could be true yeah yeah I'm 66 oh 66 oh I thought you were at 70 all right so that that uh social security do you even notice it coming in no you weigh your whole eye for it and then yeah yeah care like 1400 bucks yeah something like that. Yeah. Yeah. That dude, doughboy,

uh, he was using the language settling. Like he's real concerned that he doesn't want to settle. Okay. With a woman.

And I told him, like, listen, I think you're great. I love you. You're my friend. But you're 46. You should not be worried

about settling. You should really be trying to find like any woman who will take you in and deal with your bullshit. Absolutely. You got, settling is the last thing that needs to be on your mind. Yeah,

I totally agree. Okay. I totally agree. And you want to get chosen. Yeah. And no disrespect to him. He's not like a strong, healthy, in shape, a woman going to chase you because you're so fine.

He's dying. Yeah. Like, you know, it is what it is, right? So you got to do something to get the women to come to you. Yeah. It's no doubt about it. You got to be in shape. You got to look good.

I love him. I think he's a nice gem. I saw him. Yeah. A woman ain't running up on his ass. I'm just being honest. Well, you want to know something? I'll tell you some real shit.

I'm listening. I go to the wild-and-out comedy show that they did during the Netflix as a joke festival, right? I go to the wild-in-out thing with Nick Cannon and everybody's out there on stage and all that stuff. And so afterwards we walk out and this is like Do-Boy's element

because he was on While-N-Out. So the hardcore Wild-N-Out fans, they know who Do-Boy is. And so a girl runs up out of her minivan, shaved head, and she wants a photo with Do-Boy. And I guess he got her phone number and hit the sheets with her

like soon after. Yeah, but she had a shave head. And that's what I told her is I'm like, you guys have the same haircut because he's shaved head. There's no way I'm fucking a girl to just get out of van with a shave head. Unless she got cancer.

Minivan. Yeah, she might have. We don't know. Yeah, you never know. I'm not above that. I'll f*** a cancer patient. Yeah, I'll fuck the actual cripple girl once.

Yeah? Yeah, seriously. I used to do a joke about that. That's the only thing that was only you had to hold the legs. There's a girl in a wheelchair that uh does porn i haven't shot with her but is she fine she's pretty cute got a nice ass how can i get in porn at my age she's always sitting now so you like because let's the mention a question if i want to do porn you can get me in yeah i could actually at first it would probably

be more of an exhibition game a little bit of a freak show thing like hey this is this famous guy t k k k k k kirkling he's doing porn but who knows maybe you could really just be out there because like okay life of a porn dude like i know a guy who does porn and literally every day like Monday through Friday and he has a wife he's got multiple kids but he's just got like a separate condo or whatever and every day two or three different women come to the condo they shoot a couple of different reels they cut they shoot photos whatever they for about a half hour on camera he nuts on their face she leaves he takes a shower

chill out for a couple hour another girl come in three times in a day he's doing this and this is like he's just a regular ass guy and you get to know him like the regular guy family wife the wife is not tripping about him fucking these girls that's interesting I mean that's just his life

and I for some reason I like I have such respect for that for a guy who can like just do that day and day out because I do it but I do it like once a week on average. I could do it once a month. Yeah. Because I'm the kind of guy that once I climax, all my DNA is gone.

I'm weak. Really? Oh, man, I'm done. I got a couple rounds of me. Yeah, I'm done. When I was your age, I was something else. Okay. Now everything has to be planned properly.

Mindset got to be right. And I got to be, I got to have phenomenal lust for that woman. The hell out of her. I think you need to get on testosterone. I think you need to get horny again. No, I do get horny. I can just control it. You need to get more horny.

No, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, no, no. But your testosterone's high? Yeah, it's good. Okay, good, good. Yeah, especially for my age. Yeah, yeah.

I've done pretty good with my health. I'm excited. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm horny every day. Right. Okay.

Every day. Just have to really stay in control, you know? And I know where I'm super horny when I find fat bitch is really attractive. Yeah. Like when I'm starting looking at fat bitches when I'm going through the airport, I'm like, that bitch, fine. Yeah.

I said, ah, no, it's crazy. If I don't have sex or jerk off, because, okay, I did a boxing match. Yes. I don't know if you know about this. I think I heard about that. It did not go so long. Yeah.

But I did a boxing match and so I didn't jerk off for, I think, two weeks. Oh, you was in pain. Oh, I was hurt. Oh, my God. I was pissed. Man, because what people don't understand, MasterBases is a really. release of it relaxes you.

It relaxes your dopamine. It's a great feeling. Takes the edge off. Takes the edge off. And I'm a great masturbator. I didn't want to say it, but that's what keeps me in control. Really? Yeah, keeps me balance.

Can you jerk off seven times a day? Yeah, six or seven times. That's insane. Yeah. But I had to slow down because my doctor said my prostate was elevated a little bit. And so I actually just recently kind of became more of a friend of this gay comedian named J.J. Lieberman. Okay.

Out of Chicago? I'm not sure. I forget, but he plays poker, so that's kind of why I was going to talk to him a little bit, and he's gay, and he's talking on his story or an Instagram reel about how he loves getting prostes, which I'm not really sure exactly what it is,

but I'm guessing that it's, like, stimulating your prostate, like having a guy finger your butt or something, maybe. So that's something new that I just learned to. Yeah, every fucking day, man. Prost. That's what I'm saying, knowledge. Yeah.

Um, gay knowledge. Sometimes I wish I wasn't as smart as I was because I think people who aren't that smart are extremely fucking happy. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. Am I right? Oh, yeah. And that's like proven where you have people who have like really insanely high IQs and they're just tormented. They're like, life is very, very hard for them.

Whereas like you just want to be in the sweet spot because like I know people who play poker, right? and they're pretty good at poker. And they, every day they play poker, and they earn a decent living. And to them, it's about as good as it gets. Right. Life is great. I get to play this fucking game,

and I get to make some money. And life is good. Right. But if that same person was just a little more curious, a little bit more intrigued by the world around them, then life is harder because then you're kind of constantly considering, like, well, maybe I should be doing this with my life. maybe I should have family, maybe I should have kids.

Like, you know, it's like, the more aware you are of like what's going on in the outside world, the harder it is to be content. Absolutely. Yeah. And that's where I'm at. Yeah. Knowledge is on so many levels keeps me where I'm at because it doesn't make sense now to get to this age and get smart to go against everything life has taught you.

Do you agree? Because life taught, it taught me all this. When you get 60 some of you, all your experiences, you graduated. You can look back and I did this, I did that, and I learned from this and that. Now, everything I've learned, if I go against it, I lose. But see, then that's the weird part of getting old is that at a certain point, you're kind of cornered. Because when you're 18 and your buddy says, hey, jump in the car, you say, all right, sure. Or you're like, you know, hey, you want to go do this?

All right, sure. You know, let's do whatever. Right. Because I'm 18. I don't know what the fuck I want to do. You don't know what's about to happen. But yeah, and then by the time, even at 42, sometimes I look at my life and it's like when I was 16, I used to play all kinds of different video games. Right.

Now I'm 42. Realistically, I've kind of like figured out like one or two games that I like to play. And it's very hard for me to imagine like trying a different game or like, you know, I've seen all the different kinds of movies. I kind of know what kind of movies I like. It's not like, I'm very unlikely to just find some new genre of movie that I love. that I just wasn't aware of before. It's so true. And that's kind of the weird thing about getting older is that you just...

When you get older, everything becomes a rerun. You know what's going to come out of somebody's mouth before they do. You can read a situation prior to that person knowing what's going to happen. I see it all. And I think that's part of why people are creeped out when they see a Leonardo DiCaprio dating a 19-year-old model. Yeah, she don't know what's about to happen. Because he's lived this exact thing, like thousands of times,

hundreds of times. She's doing this for the first time. This is the first time she's been around a ball and has dude who's going to take her to the club. It's been worth of money on her and fuck her and drink with her or whatever the fuck it is. And he's just done this so many times that it feels kind of unfair. It just feels wrong. It feels like when you see like a boxer who's like having his first fighting. It's a guy who fought 200 times.

Right. Just feels wrong. Yeah. It feels wrong. Yeah. But people do what they do. Yeah. That's what makes this world so fucking interesting.

And you take it one day at a time. Yeah, that's a fact. TK, thank you for pulling up. What do you want them to do if they want to engage with you on social media or give you money in something? Follow me at TK. underscore Kirkland. If you get this in time, August 6th, catch me a city winery in Chicago. August 7th, 8th, 9th. Catch me in New Jersey, my hometown, and New Rochelle at Bananas Comedy Club.

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