No Jumper - Top Rank Demon on Being a Norteño, Beef with Southsiders, Being White & More

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

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No Jumper. Coolest podcast of the world. And today having a conversation with the man himself, top-ranked demon. How you feeling, man? Doing good, bro. Happy to be here. Yeah, man. Does it feel kind of crazy being in L.A.?

Everybody makes it out like it's like the biggest thing in the world when you come out here. Nah, I ain't go a lot, bro. It's kind of regular. I just be, I'm just move. I go where the money goes and not nothing. Okay. So how often you come out here? Like, shit, whenever,

whenever it's necessary, you know, like, I don't be, like, looking, like, to go to L.A. It's cool, though. It'd be a hell of a player out here, though. So it's like, you know what I mean? Keep all the player shit. Like, I'm not going to let in there. Stop me from that. Okay. What kind of business would you have down here on average? Just music, shit, studio shit.

Like, you know what I mean? I fuck with some people out here and shit. So it's like. Okay. We can get into it's all that. You want to introduce your boy here? Yeah, it's my nigga attract money and shit. It's my level mayor.

Okay. Yeah. So, okay, you're actually from Washington State. Can you tell us a little bit about where you're from and everything? Yeah, I'm from Washington State, Moses, like, yeah, come all that. Like, I don't know if you guys heard about it. Like, you know what I mean? We've been popping out there making some motion, making some moves for surely.

And then, but yeah, I'll be sliding out here. It's a NorCal fucking with everybody. You know what I mean? Down here to L.A. too. It's cool out here. So where you're from? How far is it from, like, Seattle, just for a reference point? Seattle, for, Seattle is like three hours, four hours.

Okay. We're like, we're like two hours from Yakima. So it's like Yakima be in the middle, Seattle over here. Okay. And it's like, you know, so the west of the east, the east of the east. Okay. And then how far is that from NorCal? From NorCal, well, specifically like, like the Bay Area or Sanjo, it would be like 12 hours from

LA. It's like 18 hours. If you drive or if you fly, it's like way less. So what's it like in Yakima? Like, I don't know, bro, it's just, it's just like the same old shit. Like, everywhere, you know what I mean? You got the trenches, you know what I mean? It gets funky, you know what I'm?

Is it like a real small town type vibe? It's like... To be honest, I felt like yakima, like, traveling around what it reminds me of. It reminds me of like a... Like, if you in the trenches in Northern Cali, it's kind of like the same vibe. Like the same things going on, the same culture, the same people, the same people, the same, way people talk is kind of like the same basically

definitely yeah because I think to a lot of people anything that's going on above like the Bay Area is kind of like a mystery to a lot of people yeah so what was your actual upbringing like do you have both parents I got a dad and a step mom and my mom fucking she's like it's like

it's complicated you know like she went to prison when I was young so I don't really know her like that but okay so you're mom and your dad they were never like married or super super close together my mom and my dad were never married they were just like kind of like a high school fling like you know like kind of like a little thing and they're like again yeah I mean shit what she go to prison for you do you uh d and d that sorry um what you go to prison for I really don't want to get into too many specifics okay but like it was a solid deadly weapon whoa yeah okay yeah what about your dad what kind of guy I see uh he's cool

for surely, like, always just, like, hella tough on me growing up. But, like, that's what made me, like, to the man I am today, for sure. Just hell of cool. I could grow up with my grandma, mostly. I would say, like, she kind of, like, raised me when my dad was out, like, you know, chasing chicken and shit, like, getting money, getting the money, right? And then, yeah, because then I was kind of just, like, locked up and, like, got it, like, like, through all that shit, you know, like, through whatever else.

So your dad was kind of a street dude, more or less? my dad is like nah I wouldn't say he's like a street dude he's like more just like a construction worker you know just like a normal person you know type of shit but did he have times in his life where he was running around getting into trouble and stuff or not like yeah yeah for certainly like yeah for sure

like getting locked up shit like that but like not never like no never like gang banging and shit like that like going out like that so do you do you see a lot of you know wild stuff when you were younger like you're talking about your mom going to prison and your dad kind of getting into some type of shit like do you have memories of just seeing wild shit going on early on well that's like that's like that's all like when i was like hell of young like whenever so i really don't remember that okay but i would say like yeah like just like obviously like growing up like going through different shit like we all got hell of stories you know type shit but like like that that that part specifically i was hell yeah okay and uh so at what point do you start getting kind of exposed to the gang shit like is that like a like a a real thing out where you're from? Is that just kind of in your face from a young age? In Washington,

I would say, I don't want to, you know, but like Washington, yeah, it's popping. So, and then I would say,

like, around the time I was like 14 and shit, you know what I mean? And, and then, I mean, starting getting locked up, getting into more,

like, trouble, like, to the point where I was getting locked up. And then just, you know what I mean? Started my path and shit. What kind of stuff are you getting locked up for back now?

I think my first charge. My first charge was just, like some drinking and driving. I was like drinking and driving and I crashed and then some people got hurt so I got two counts of vehicular assault. So I was like my first thing so I kind of started me up. But once you get in the system you know like you're just through it like you're going through it.

Like there's no, you know what I mean? It's just like a loop. Right. So you just kept violating your probation or whatever. There's beyond me and then and then fucking like so little probation things and then fucking whatever. I got an assault one I saw a deadly weapon and then I went fucking to the juvenile

prison for like four years or three years and then if I went to the pan for a year after that because I caught a charge while I was in there. Okay. Is that when you really started to get exposed to the gangs and shit? I would say like just like being out there like, you know, and then for surely, but then like going in and out for sure. It's just like when you're going in and out, like I wouldn't say institutionalized a hell of young, but it's kind of like that because then you're just like, I don't know, like the things that you look forward to is different for sure.

Like when you're, you know what? No, yeah, definitely. So that time being locked up, though, was like, what was the culture of it? Like, was there a lot of fighting and a lot of, like, a lot of people go into that environment and just get put on to hell of game and just, like, learn what's going on? It's, well, it depends, like, what you're talking about, bro. Like, well, because when I first started getting locked up, I was young. So, like, the juvenile, it was different. Like, where I was at and the juvenile is called Martin Hall, and it has, like, a, like, an ad saying, like, part.

And that's where I was most of the time. Like, you get in a fight for anything. Like, you'll go in there. And that's so you get out and you come back in. And they already have you listed as that shit. They'll throw you right in there. And it's like two sales in the middle of like another cell and like a bigger shell that has like a little table and a shower in a shower. And it's like when we would come out most of the time, like we would come out on a security program.

It was called. And so you come on a handcuffs. So we'll handcuff you out. You'll take a shower in handcuffs and all that like hell out of pocket. So you'd handcuffed in the front. I can imagine that's going to be a pretty terrible shower. Nah, yeah. Well, that's what it's supposed to be.

That's what the program is like. but a lot of the sales was like, you know, like, that's fucked up. Like, we're trying to do that to you. Okay. You know, type of shit. And then, yeah, so let us do it normal. Okay.

So even back then, were you tend to run? Because, okay, what's, what's your ethnic background? My ethnicity. Yeah, yeah. What's your dad and what's your mom and? I'm white, bro. My dad, my dad's white and my mom is native. Oh, okay.

Okay. But was it kind of obvious to you from early on that you were going to run with the Mexicans? It's just, it's, it's, it's not. it's not racial, bro, at all. It's just more of just like who you fuck with, like, who good people are, you know, type shit. You know, type of shit.

Was it the kind of situation where there's like almost no whites really in that environment? Or I guess it's Washington. So, like, what is the racial breakdown? I would say, yeah, bro, it's not your racial. Like, we got white homies, Mexican homies,

black homies. Like, you know, like shit. Like, Chinese homies. Like, it's not, it's not even a thing. Like, people don't look at it like that. It's just, it's basically like the kind of man that you are, like the kind of way that you connect yourself and the way that you move. Like, you know, like what kind of how you're like maneuvering through life type of shit? It's not like.

Okay. So what age would you say you became in North Daniel? 14. 14. Okay. So while you were locked up or was that on the asset? I don't really want to get into it. But just, yeah, I started like fucking around with the homieus when I was 14 and out in the streets and locked up and shit like that.

And then, and then, yeah, I don't want to get into specifics of how that shit starts. For sure. But so is there a lot of gang shit in the town where you grew up and stuff? Like was that like a big thing in that area? So like. Or it's more of a jail thing. It's like, I ain't a lie. Washington is pretty like I don't know what people like for like for look at it like like.

But it gets active, bro. And you know, you can check the news and all that. But it's just like, it's just like normal street shit. One thing that's different from Washington and California to California, like, for instance, L.A., you got to drive six hours to go to Northern Cali. So, like, the way Washington instead of, we're in the same neighborhoods. So have a close compact. It's like literally just years and years of a whole bunch of bullshit just because of that because we're just like neighbors with each other. So we like waking up, going to the store, or waking up and.

just bumping into people. So it's just like a real congested, congested funk, really. Just like shit nonstop. I mean, that is why, you know, no shots at anybody, but there's been people over the years who, you know, are from down here

and they make it a real thing to, like, diss the Northerners and shit. When you know, they ain't probably never even seen one. Yeah. Maybe when they went on vacation or some shit. Like, everyone is either in jail, dead, based off that. It's not like a,

these people were talking about people that they've never had issues with like over there that that's just all it is. There's no really like fighting amongst each other. It's just like opposite opposite. It's like old school Bloods versus Crips type shit. Basically. Before it kind of got splintered and became super complicated. It stayed like that.

It stayed like that over there. Interesting. Damn. Yeah, because, man, I mean, I feel like it is definitely like when I talk to people who are even from Northern California and I realized like, oh, so you like really have the red side and the blue side in the same city, which is way different than down here. Yeah. And it's it's like that all the way up to kind of like up to Seattle.

Seattle's like really calm. It's beautiful over there. But it's the same thing. Like they're not really like tripping on each other. It's really like niggis running into each other. So are there black gangs like where you grew up as well or is it mostly just the nice thing and shit going on? Nah, yeah, for surely.

It's it. Yeah. for surely it's all mixed okay and do you guys generally get along with the black side of things and it's just like the mexican kind of go at each other yeah nah for surely uh now we're hella closed like locked in it's not even um no problems or anything i mean it's just like a smooth working relationship type shit hmm that's what's so when did you actually uh start thinking about rapping. I've been making music, bro, like, just trying to rap fucking around, like, since I was young. Like, I remember my dad finding, like, little papers I was writing this shit, like,

like, like, like, literally just like, nothing but swear words on a paper. Like, just, like, all the swear words, like, my little ass brain was thinking about. Basically, that's funny that, because I was just talking to Draco's dad, and he had that story of finding his, Draco's rhymes under the bed. And I also, in, like, first grade, my parents found some rap that I wrote under my bed and it was like some some stupid ignorant fucked up shit about like shooting somebody or whatever and i remember my mom i know i remember my mom crying though like why would you write this and i'm like i don't know that's just like every rap song i ever heard was kind of like this so you've been writing music since you was younger this is when i was like seven and then you was like

writing music though like i mean i probably wrote a 16 maybe okay yeah yeah it's not like i ever performed it or anything i was just like a little kid and i remember my mom finding it being like really upset and like it's not like she actually thought i shot somebody she just was confused why the fuck i would even be writing something that in any way like went into that yeah yeah but um okay but so you so you were just kind of drawn to it from an early age or when you start rapping yeah i would say just like yeah and then i saw that's why i started like trying to do that and then i guess i would just always try to do that thing and then but basically but when i got locked up i would say then like i really like have more time to for sure you like sit there and

and do it and like try to do it because at first it was probably wax yeah like for sure like you know I mean but like it comes over time like development and everything and so I just I felt like being locked up had a big part to do with that and then when I got out then fucking um when I got out of a pan I've only been out the prison for like for like a year I got out of September last year and then how old are you now? Yeah I'm 20 bro okay yeah um and then and then so what you call it and so when I got out of prison like September my first music video was in like November So I've only basically been dropping music since November. And then, yeah, seriously.

Definitely. Yeah, because I remember when I interviewed a little Mosey back in the day that he said that, like, we were basically like, yo, so are there any other rappers from Washington to, like, influencer or whatever? And he was basically like, no, I'm pretty much like the biggest one. I'm the only one that matters that ever came up out of there. And I remember a lot of like, even back then, like, 2018, like the Seattle blogs and shit were like just trashing him being like, you know, this is fucked up.

He's ignoring the history. everything that gone down. Like realistically, though, when you break it down, like numbers and motion and ETC, like he probably wasn't lying. Yeah, even that at that point. You know who's coming out that way when you know him. You know, obviously, if you don't know them, it's just for a reason. Like, niggies are not popping like that.

And if you go through the whole history of the state, I'm sure you can find a bunch of different people who had their moments and stuff, but you're talking to like a 16-year-old kid who probably is not familiar with what happened even like five years prior, you know? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. But so from your perspective, like, was there anybody in Washington that you were looking at as inspiration or that kind of showed you there was possible? Well, I'm not going to lie. Like, we have the homies popping and shit.

And then like, so when I got out, like, so like when I got out, I was locked up in the pink down like with the hummies and shit. And I was always rapping in there, like doing my little job. I was a laundry worker. So like when we would go like back to the laundry room and shit, like doing all the shit, it was like secluded. And then when you go up in there, like we have like little mini concerts. and shit, like, put the beats on the little speaker, and then, like, you're doing like that. And the homies that was locked in with mine and attract money.

They basically just, like, put it in line. And when we came out, like, you know what I'm in type of shit? And they got my, I got my shit rolling. So when did you start to actually believe that you might have some potential? Like, like, was that your mission when you got out? Like, you know, as soon as I get out, I'm going to start filming some shit. I'm not going to lie. It was just like, at one point, like, I was just like, damn, like, I'm making slice.

Like, you know, that I can really, you know? And that's like Slaps I was making a prison And I haven't even released those So it's like a whole lot Another different thing My mindset was even probably different You know type shit And then

Yeah basically bro Definitely Wait so what was the actual prison bid for And how many years was that for? So I got a solid deadly weapon And then so I got three years for that And then while I was in there I got two riot charges

And then that gave me like a year Additional year and a day For both of them At the same time So how does a prehist Prison riot work, exactly, like, from your perspective, being, like, super young and being involved in that. Like, do you remember when they first realized this was something you were going to have to participate in? It's, uh, so basically, well, really, it's a crazy thing.

So in the juvenile prison I was at, it's called Green Hill. And, um, and right there, they had, like, a lawsuit or something go through. There were everyone that just got charged with those prison riots got to drop off the record. So, like, some of my homies that was locked up right there for those prison riots because some of them got, like, four years for that. And, like, you know what I mean? Something like that. time like that and then so like they got out because of it and like it got dropped because it was like it wasn't right it was unjustified or whatever because they were trying to do it to the point because they were basically focused on like the gang part of it and they were trying to like give people basically gang and like basically and like basically if it's a two-on-one it's a riot which that's not even a thing like that's not a riot and even like when you look at fucking d o'c or whatever it's not a riot.

A riot is like everybody in there basically right like I mean I'm sure from their perspective they're going to call it a riot if it's only a couple people but I mean, okay. So is this like a full-blown race rider or is just like a general ride? Nah, I mean, for the for the ones that I was involved in, it was just a lot of people were involved. One of them was, is like a seven-on-one. And then,

and then the other one was like, it was like, we were bucking at the COs, like type shit because like, I mean, shit was like, yeah. Defund bucking.

Like not going to ourselves. And when they try to put us there, we ain't we wasn't having it get him with the glock ducky son no I don't know I don't know what goes on in Washington man we got carrots out here in L.A.

No carrot business what the hell is carrot business oh Lord I don't even want to take your innocence and tell you about that shit I mean allegedly in the L.A. County Jail there's been instances where someone to knock somebody out and then shove a carrot up their ass

yeah that's that free shit we ain't going for that yeah that is the opinion of many people I don't know. LA just got some weird shit going on. We got to get that stricken from the record. But, um,

okay. So, but that whole time we were locked up, like, would you say that, like, just being involved, those riots was the most dramatic shit that you were involved with?

Or what else did you have to, like, learn how to deal with? Well, it's like, I don't really want to, uh, come up on here and,

like, kind of glorify, like, the gang culture and, and, like, glorify the prison life experience and shit like that and want to, like, promote my music type of shit like that.

But at the, like, I mean, I don't know, bro. Like, you're doing the time. Like, I was going to different facilities. So I went, like, from one juvenile facility, like, for the younger-ass kids, when I first got locked up, then to the juvenile prison, which is from 17 to 25 years old.

So they had, like, grown men in there, you know? And then, but then the reason why I went to the actual prison and it was because I was 18 and then, like, I caught a charge in there. And so I was already over 18. So that did that kick me out and then sent me up and shit. Okay. But, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. What was, like, your, your fan? family's thoughts when you got these these years at such a young age like what was your dad's reaction and shit i'm not gonna lie uh well with my dad particularly like i wasn't talking to him for like probably like five years straight and then basically that when i just got out the pen like like six months before that or like 30 days or something like you know i kind of like try to like tap in and then whatever and trying to rekindle the relationship like rob when i got out and shit because it's like you know but but basically throughout my whole person's saying it's like i wasn't in

communication. I wasn't really talking to nobody like that or my family side. For sure. Yeah. Um, is it awkward being someone who's technically white and you're rolling as with the Mexicans and like in as a rapper as well. Like I know it's kind of complicated, right? Nah, bro. Like to be honest, bro, like I'm not even like that's the furthest thing for my mind. Like, you know, like there's so much shit going on. And no one even, no one's even looking at it like that. No one look, no, it's not, it's not like a factor that anyone's even hanging And on that, you know what I mean? Right.

Definitely. In real life, too, like, when you make it to, like, as far as, like, Washington, when you make it to certain, like, I would say social groups, like how you were saying, like mentioning the race, it really don't matter because, like, to make it to that social group, you already got to go through, like, a whole bunch of steps, ETCs for you to even get there kind of thing. So you're saying a white boy is never going to be a walk on. they're going to always have to prove themselves before they become part of it. No, no, no, no.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying like whoever is with us based off whatever skin color he is. Right. He's just already like stamped. He's like, right, them guys already. Because like white, white boy in a black gang is like super rare,

but it feels like a white guy can fit in with a Mexican gang more easily. It's a little bit more accepting. You tell me, though. Well, it's like people aren't even be focused on that. Like, I don't even, like, even with my homies, like, I'm not like, I'm not like the white homie, you know, type of shit, I'm the homie, you know what? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, oh, that's the black honey.

Like, nah, that's the homie. Like, shit, you know what I mean? So it's like, and that's, and I feel like that's part of our culture, too. Like, we don't, you know what I mean? It's not, you know what I mean? Like, if you're a real nigga, like, you can fuck with this. You know what type of shit. Over here, too, like, I think back in the day, it kind of used to be like that as far as, like,

with certain, like, Mexican group segments. and the blacks, it used to be, like, tension. But over there, where we from, it was never like that, ever. So we've always been, like, real close with them. Like, we got good working relationships. We know a lot of them. They know a lot of us. And we've never really had, like, no issues as far as, like.

Yeah, I always feel like people from Northern California always, like, kind of take pride in the fact that there's more unity in the different races, spend time with each other as opposed to. Yeah. Like up with their family and all right. As opposed to L.A. where it's, like, much more. divided along racial lines it feels like even though I mean for the most part I would say black

and mice can get a get along out here aside from a few little pockets yeah for sure um okay so okay but when you're in prison even up there I'm assuming that the south siders and the north sideers kind of have to get along based on the racial lines or is it not really like that um like I I already want to get it so I just about it's up it's it's kind of Crud, bro, just, like, just simple, though, but, like, the prison system, like, because we, I be in the prison system, we, we be in the same prisons in Washington. It's, like, really, like, one, one prison, wall-a-wall of prison, like, where, we're, we're, we're, we're, we're, where the bros be at. And it'd be, like, over there, it's, it's segregated. Over here, how they got, like, like, whatever, like, to where you, you live with each other.

We don't love that. It's just non-existent. That, that, that's not going on. So it's, like, literally, if we was. get locked up over here we'd be on some like what the fuck is going on kind of thing it would just be kind of like a like a real life culture shock what it would be

because that's like the total opposite of like a Washington prison system. Interesting. Okay so when do you first start coming down to L.A.? Considering it's such a fucking trek from all the way back up there. I mean

did you grow up looking at L.A. artists and Just thinking that was like the sound of the West Coast was like a big influence or were you listening to more Northern Cali hip hop? Probably Northern Cali for sure. Like growing up like like like like like fucking, just Northern Cali, Northern Cali rappers and shit like Woody. I mean. You're a big Woody fan? Because he's kind of like the most. Woody Slap.

The most legendary white boy from up north. Nah, yeah. Woody Slap. Yeah. Woody. Big Tom. That's a legend right there. Yeah.

Okay. That's interesting that like the young generation still like goes back to the. music. No, really what it is. It's just like with, we go to LA, you,

you, like their top culture rappers, I'm not even going to say no names, but they'll go listen to them certain type people. It's the same thing with, with,

the, the culture over there is like the whole northern region. Like, as when you're young, you grow up, you go listen to big tone right away.

You go listen to Woody. Shut up big tone. Yeah, you, you listen to them right away. Like, that's like the, the peoples for,

for that genre. Yeah, because it feels like especially in L.A. or just in music in general, there's like so much new music that I don't know how many kids even go back and like study a Nipsey Hustle or study whatever was happening in 2010, you know? Nah, I feel like with anybody, like when you got a real good foundation and you actually like saying something, it don't matter how long I feel like the years go by, there's always going to be like a good crowd for sure, like on your movement. Yeah, definitely for like the people who are really tapped in and paying attention and care about understanding the entirety of rap history and shit like that. But then also you just have so many kids that are like 18. They just trying to turn up. They don't really give a fuck about what was happening 20 years ago or whatever. Well, real life, I feel like, I like you saying, they're making history.

So their music's already good. So they, like I said for show, I feel like always have a strong wave. Wave. Because like I know for myself, I got into listening. rap music and maybe like 1992 and i remember like you know snoop dog was coming out that was like the biggest shit and i remember like doing my homework and going and like listening to shit that was popping in like 1988 and just being like nah like i'm not i'm not i'm not a run dmc fan like i i respect it but it's just sonically it just sounded old as fuck to me as a kid you know yeah the same way that

i'm sure if you go listen to some yg from 2011 and you compare it to shit right now it's like damn that sounds old as fuck compared to right now you know even though it's important played a huge role. It's got to be a timeless, a timeless project. Definitely. Even like beats, I'd be trying to rap on beats sometimes and the homies, and I'd be like, that's hard.

And the homies, be like, that's just, oh, that's the beats have a whole. Yeah, yeah, no,

that's a real thing, too. The beats advance so much, especially the producers, man, they're all, like, competing on sounds and drums and everything.

And just, it's like, they're doing shit that we don't necessarily understand as, like non-producers that makes the music sound current, which is. Yeah, we got right now, we got like a crazy, a crazy engineer we liked in with DJ I did. He got like a, he got like an old, like an old mob sound. Like he's, he's older.

So he's all the tunes and the drums he's using is from the 80s and 90s. He's going crazy though. Yeah, I feel like a lot of people are kind of realizing that doing. more retro sounds might be the move. Like Metro Booman's whole new album is supposed to sound like swag surfing and shit. Like it's supposed to sound like shit that's like a decade or two older, which is like, you know, I think a lot of people are kind of trying to

rediscover some of the older sounds, you know? But okay, so how long did it take before your music? I just started popping off. I'm not going to lie, bro. Like, fucking, my first video kind of just went up. Like, it just did numbers. Like, it just hit 300K. like it's like eight months ago or something like that um and then it just kind of like i was just

i feel like being consistent and i was like a new face and shit and i'm like they they was posting on ticot and instagram like kind of going viral a little bit so yeah i had an effect and then and then when i got out i was like with a track and then so it's like kind of his platform here he already has hell of shit hell emotion built up he's already going crazy and then so i'm already i drop on his page and then you know what i'm just kind of like a spotlight for them to see me you know what i'm going on. And I mean, that would fuck with it.

I mean, that's kind of the crazy thing to me is that if you're like a non-gang related rapper is definitely very difficult to get people to pay attention to your music. But if you're like a Nortagno rapper, I mean, there is a built-in fan base that is going to be very, very interested no matter what.

Now, they might just check it out and be like, now this shit sucks and keep it moving. But a lot of times, like, they're just, they're there. Same thing.

Like, if you've got a rapper coming out of Oblock in Chicago, there's like a hundred thousand a couple hundred thousand people that are like going to watch your music video regardless just because they're interested in chicago street politics yeah i feel like real life too you just have to be like just like that person in real life yeah because that's what makes people real life want to gravitate you yeah that's a big part of it is that they're trying to figure out if you're the real deal or not they're watching it and just studying and being like like why is that guy in the video like i got

I see something about him. Like he's a weirdo. Like this, they're just trying to fucking find ways to poke holes in it or figure out if you're valid or not, you know? So like from, from day one was it like there was a lot of hate,

a lot of, a lot of people like talking shit? Like was that kind of weird to get used to just having like thousands of people lining up in the comments to talk about you? Nah, I ain't a lie. From day one,

it was all love. Like so it was just, yeah, it's all love. And then kind of gets more controversial. So like the more popping you get, the more headers you're going to get. that's expected.

So like, you could gauge how pop in you are, just how many hairies you have type of shit. So it's like, and just like the more people are like, then it's like the more people talk about you, and people is going to talk about you good and people is going to talk about you bad.

You know, type of shit. Definitely. So was it pretty quick that you started having like actual rappers weighing in, like actual like well-known rappers talking shit or showing love or like, did it just start opening things up as soon as you went live on there? I ain't going to lie. I feel like I don't feel like.

no rappers been talking shit or like if i if they did like i missed it and but like people be talking shit though like like yeah i ain't gonna get no publicity but for sure okay um do you feel like it's hard to blow up out of northern california or not beyond northern california the northwestern shit in general i feel like bro it's probably hard to blow up anywhere bro you just got to grab your audience and gravitate to it like when i look at my top cities my top listeners my top five it's not even watching It's like, I think it's Sacramento, San Jose, and then it's Seattle,

and then it's, I think, San Francisco, and then, like, fuck, somewhere else. But LA is like my sixth one, surprisingly. Yeah, it'd be, like, real life behind the scenes, though. Bro, like, doing things out there, it's, like, the hardest, because, like, we're talking about, you're talking about, oh, Mosey's talking about he the only dude.

Bro, he probably was. There's literally no one really over there to gravitate to where you're like, oh, we're going to go lock in with bro, we're going to go up. Like, nah, that's not what's going on. So real life, it really is hard. It really took like just hell of years of just dropping. Hell of years is just dropping back to back to back. No close lines or even features with like knowing from any other region. We just kept dropping.

Right. Definitely. Kind of just, like, building the motion up day by day, really. So when did you meet him and how did you get involved with his career and everything? So it's crazy. Like he said, my bros was locked up with him in prison. So I got a call when they, they're like, the bro's about to get out. He's tight.

And I'm like, okay, okay. I'm like, well, just locked me in with him. And they're like, he about to get out in like a couple months. I'm like, okay. So he popped out. and we already had the whole plan. We had the whole plan. He popped out.

I moved the bro with me and shit. And then we just locked in after that. Because I already got the whole algorithm when it come to albums and videos and just like building people up. Like I make my bro six figure off music. So I already knew like I already know what to do. So right away, I'm the one who shot his video. I shot his video. I edited his video.

And then I dropped it on my page and then ran it up, really. Were you cautious at all? because like I meet a lot of rappers that I'm like oh this guy's got potential but then I'm also like he's also a psycho fucking crazy violent gang member and I don't know if I want to deal with that's the reason why the bro is send me to the bro because he know like I know exactly how to move talk operate and and and do things to where they're very sustainable so it was kind of an easy thing because it's really like showing my bro like look this how we doing it so it was it was Kind of like a easy move, really.

A lot of young rappers, though. They'll listen to you giving them some, like, worldly advice based on decades of being involved in the game. And then they'll be like, nah, fuck that. I'm going to do whatever I want. Yeah, nah. So it's 2025 over here. Yeah.

We get money. Like, anything under that we're not even involved in. So if you want to go do that, then we ain't even fucking with you. Hmm. Got it. So what about you? Like, in terms of your. working relationship.

Is it kind of interest in like taking advice from somebody older? Or is that easy for you to kind of fall into that? No, not it's no bro. Like for sure. Like he already knows what's been going on. Like like, like as long the lines

it basically like all the online shit and all that shit and all the video shit. I don't know what any of that is. You know, I just got like what's going on with me. You know, and I put that on a mic type shit. You know, we get it popping. And then everything else. Like the bro was basically like,

it's how we do this. Like type of shit. like lacing me up. And me, if I shot the pen, I didn't really know, I wasn't doing none of that shit. So you're not the type of person who spends tons of time online. Like a lot of rappers are basically like complete and total social media addicts. I see the way they are. They just refresh their Instagram notifications all day.

Yeah. No, that's not really you. Nah, I'd be like, bro. I mean, I'd be like just on my phone when I'm at home, hell of bored. But it don't be like that much. Like most I'll be like out, out like having to do shit, get hell of shit done. Like, I feel like I don't have enough time when they're, day to get shit done.

I'll be up all night until four in the morning. You know what I'm trying to get this money? Yeah, because I feel like there's also like two different types of rappers, some rappers that are like super locked in with whatever's going on in their neighborhood. And then they're just like not really paying attention to everything else that's going on in terms of other music that kind of sounds like theirs or whatever. And then you have other people who know about like every single artist in the scene, period. They just, that's what they do in their free time.

They're on YouTube, watching their op. watching the guy from down the street watching anything. No, it's crazy because we don't care about nobody. We stay he he he hell of busy at the studio like, bro, real life he like, he got like no exaggeration. He got like a hundred slabs. So you divide that up. He got like seven, eight albums literally unreleased. All we really do is is for show work.

Like yesterday we were shooting videos. Right when we leave, we're showing videos like we real life in motion every day, really. Okay. So were you the one who told him to go live and down? downtown LA? No, not. Was that downtown?

I forget. That wasn't me. That was a bro lounging. That was just, that was just lounging. For sure. But you know what you're doing. You know that you're like going live in a place where it's controversial.

It's going to make the blogs. People are going to be excited about it. Nah, bro. I ain't go out of nothing. Like that. And I ain't say shit about LA or nothing like that. So like,

it's just like notice my location. It's just like, I mean, we're just chilling. Like, this is another day. Yeah, we,

we're sliding through like, anywhere to be like controversial like we real life oh me here at a at the at the at the rooftop or we we over here when I was in at the I to where we we we just we just moving around really for sure you're uh you're not gonna be like bands from the Rose going to any uh op hoods out here in L.A he went to lefties neighborhood that was pretty controversial that yeah sure is funny I've seen that other people on my ass about that one why because I like like brought him out here, he did an interview,

and then he did that. I think it was a different trip. I think he came down on a separate trip to do that. But still people are like, oh, you're platforming this dude and now he's out here. He's disrespecting L.A.

Nah, but it really, this is, this is a West Coast platform. You feel me? Right. It would be like all the West. It can't just be over here,

you know? Yeah. No, when I realized like, damn, there's like six, seven fucking Northania rappers that I'm actually really lacking

because I haven't interviewed. I was like, what the fuck is nobody else. It's crazy. Because if you sit there and look at Spotify numbers and look at who's really making money and who's really popping.

Right. You match them up and, bro, we're shit. We're shitting on them. Off top, literally. For real? Bro, like, do some numbers as far as, like, how much they get paid a month.

Take on your bar. I have. And I don't know if what I have seen necessarily supports what you're saying because we got people like, oh, GZ, out here. Charlotte and Mopjev, Phoenix Flex. And, like, I've looked at it.

And it's like, I feel like the top North Daniel rappers are kind of like 300,000, 400,000 monthly listeners. And then you've got a bunch of dudes like, oh, GZ, or like 1.5 million or something. This is, I looked at it probably six months ago. And then, too, like you said... I'm not saying it's equal, because obviously they have it a little bit easier being there on here for sure. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Their platform is right here in L.A.

Right. And L.A. is a big-ass huge audience, yeah. You think about L.A., honestly, that's Hollywood. That's, like, number one, that's like fucking movies and music, all that shit off. tops and so that's like that's like niggas is home base like times just so they got the audience all the tops favoring them i mean oh jz you want to sign to atlantic they're in the same city that you grew up in like he's from hollywood like that they're in hollywood like that's pretty smooth it's it's 2025 in the whole way as far as like you go and other people for the culture

in the whole north region like it's it's really popping through the cracks to where it's like you can't ignore it because when you play it it's just like who who these people you know it definitely sound way harder than this shit because you know how it be bro I'd be like yeah the nigga beat have I guess at the time way more numbers but if you

like compare the music it'd be like bro this shit more slapping for sure yeah well I feel like in general we've just kind of like seeing the Mexican rap community in LA in California as a whole like really kind of like developed their own scene over the past

I don't know maybe even like 10 years with all the food pages and everything like that to the point where like people really listen to rappers like from their area and they're concerned with them they have their local celebrities and shit it's not like everybody's like oh I can't wait for this new major label

to drop a fucking album it's like nah you got like a dude down the street from you that's rapping that you're probably listening to and shit and so I feel like up north the same thing like they've gained an understanding of their own culture my shit's popping out in my session yeah like for Shirley but that's not even on my top five cities

and like so my shit's hell of popping out there but like out here they're popping too and it's probably less popping like you know like fans wise and shit but like there's more people so that it pops up more type shit so right there LA is

now you know the home base home station so that shit is gonna like boost that up it's crazy because on my end because I'd be capturing other audiences LA is my top city where I guess they fuck with me the most right here yeah I mean it's such a big market

that it's like you could be extremely popular in Northern Cali versus like like, you know, much less popular down here, but there still might be more people listening down here just because the population is so dense. Yeah. For sure.

Okay, but so, you know, I feel like, obviously part of why you coming down here is so controversial is because you basically diss, the South Siders, like in like every song over and over and over. At first when I was listening to, I was thinking that, like, they hated on you without reason. But then I started listening to music. I'm like, oh, no.

they definitely have a reason because you're very disrespectful in a lot of these songs. And there's quite a bit to decode. You got to be a little bit up on some of the slang, but I felt like I piece together some of it. Yeah. You know, well, it's common sense. How we were saying over there in Washington, it's like, it's funky. Like, it's a whole bunch of tension, a whole bunch of, a whole bunch of, like, just, I guess, things happening to where people feeling some type of way. and it's just, it's always kind of

on us because it's just like reoccurrent. It's just like how we living, you know? Really? Yeah, it is. But it's like this problem that I feel like we've seen this play out on this podcast so many times in recent memory where it's like somebody will dis a hood or

like their enemies, but then that this term also applies to another huge group of people that are offended by even though they just wanted to talk shit about news down the street. But like you say, like we seen we seen seconds every day like you know

probably you know we run into each other and it's really close quarters out there because like in Washington it's like really close quarters it's so close bro to where it's so close to where

that's how that's that's obviously why they got to separate people when they go to jail because they can't have them together oh yeah it's like that it's exactly like that like they can't have them together

every time definitely Yeah, because we've seen this problem with a little brazy who, I don't know if you guys relate to him. No, I see them getting slapped at all the times. I don't know. To the point where I like, I see a little girl get slapped every week. I see a new clue of him getting slapped. I don't even like watch it.

I'm just kind of used to it. He was dissing the homies. I was like, the fuck is landing on. He was on here just for the people who aren't sure I'm saying. He was on here. This in Nortangelo's like crazy. And then he's like, shout out lefty gunplay. fuck the south side

like he's this in south sides too and I'm kind of like you know they're not gonna fuck with you saying that and he's just like no I'm talking about the dudes in my town and I'm like nobody cares like absolutely nobody cares he just fucked off the market on both things yeah exactly

now nobody Mexican is gonna listen to your shit ever not that that was probably gonna really happen that much anyway but he's really kind of closing the door there yeah that was retarded yeah that was a wild one you think that was fucked up to put a 15-year-old kid on camera saying that shit? Yeah, whoever obviously was running at is...

No, no, no. Oh, then, yeah, that's what shows him. Well, I didn't do that... I didn't beat his ass, but we let him say what he wanted to say on camera. You ruined that nigga career. Oh, boy. Or did I amplify it to a level that he might never have seen otherwise? Bro, just fucking...

Oh, yeah, you cross the shit over. Oh, man. I mean, on one hand, it's like... he's an up-and-coming rapper. Who am I to censor you? Who am I to tell you like, hey, cut, cut, don't disc gangs on my podcast. Don't dis any of your

ops. He's going to be like, what? That would be a hard conversation. I don't know. I don't know if I'm ready for that. Even though as a 15-year-old, it's like, bro, he's doing this in his music. Yeah, like a kid, yeah. Like a little kid. He's really not 15, because you could tell

like wherever he grew up, he really still like 10. Because he's like super. unseasoned, like, like, you can tell, like, bro, he's still on some 10-year-old shit. That's a good point. Like, he don't seem 15, right? No. Most of the 15-year-olds, I know a little more maturedly. Nowadays, like, they're really not their age because they're just lost.

Like, well, his voice cracks all the time, too, which is kind of like, by the time, you're 15, your voice usually kind of settles into a little bit of a deeper voice. But when he gets, when they're running down on him and he's like, no, mom, ah, you're like, oh, shit, puberty ain't even kicked in yet. still bitch that's my boy though I still believe that he could really be something rap-wise I feel like he's gonna reemerge

at like 18 nah it's over as far as because we're talking about the people wanting to seem real like his whole foundation is is just unreal so it I don't think no one's gonna gravitate no one's gonna be like oh yeah

put on a little brazy let's go crazy let's get buff no but I don't believe you because there's always gang members that want to make money so bad that they'll co-sign some goofy shit that they know that they shouldn't 6-9 did it a million other rappers over the years. I just feel like it's going to be a hundred times harder than what it already is to kind of fall in the algorithm of some motion with some music.

Yeah, but I feel like people are going to keep paying attention to them no matter what, you know. It's too crazy to look away. Yeah, yeah, I guess so. Yeah. But, okay, so what does CMC stand for? uh that's cartel money okay yeah yeah that's the bro okay

that's his brand for show oh okay so that's like closed the line we'll see you rocking and shit yeah yeah yeah yeah he's locked in so it's like yeah yeah a backpack money he's shout out backpack boy

oh it's related to that okay yeah yeah backpack boy shout out cute got it for sure um when did the oh yeah shout of the backpack boys um

gas pack But so when did you, like, where did the Tommy Guns thing come from? Because he's from the Central Valley. And he's notably, he's always throwing shade at the Northerners and everything. Was that enough for you to say, you know what? New Op alert. Boom. It's not, nah.

I ain't got a lot, bro. And it's not even like that. Like, so everyone's thinking that, I guess, my song, like kind of like reposting and shit like that. But it's not even that. I shout out, as a Wop song and shit. Oh, okay. So the homie Gwop and Shorty came in me with that song and shit. And we went fucking, me, the bro hopped on it went crazy.

And it's like, but yeah, the beat go hard, you know, for sure. And then, yeah, but yeah, but yeah, fucking mic checks. It was insane. What is a cleat check? Cleet check. It's like a soccer thing, right? No, yeah. Or football, like the check to make sure you got a cleats on.

A hundred yard dash. We'll be like, come on, Adam, we need a cleat check. That means you just, you just skate the corner real quick. You might have to go around the block. Way niggas do that thing. Come back. Okay, I was trying to figure out if cleat was a diss. It just seems like a random word.

Like, like football. Like, you see the back of your shoes. You see the back of your shoes. On the field, cleat check. Okay. So you inferring that he would like run? Huh, we check a feet. Or just that people run in general?

I check your feet in the field. Okay. I might need to read the comments for this one to understand. All right. But, okay, so that song, like, you didn't take it as really like that much of a diss. It was more like they were just hopping on it. And you were like, fuck I hopped on it. Nah, I mean

That's exactly what it was Actually, it's a slap I mean, we went crazy We didn't know nothing about it The bro just hit us like, oh, we got a slab We're like, oh, yep And it's crazy Obviously we knew he knew he did that shit

But it's like, I mean, I should want harder regardless It was hell of unplanned It's not Pulled up The bro hopped on it I literally took like 10 minutes Wrote the verse

And we shot the video on like a mansion In Beverly Hills somewhere Definitely Damn, so you got to spend a lot of time in here, huh? Well, we move and it's like, like the bro said, we wear the money out. We'd be in L.A., we'd be in Miami. We'd be tucked in Seattle. For sure.

But what kind of like opportunities are you out here taking advantage of it? So real life, it's like we work with backpack boys. Okay. So is that type of a relationship? Yeah, we're all the way locked in. So it's like we pushing the brand, assisting, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, really locking down and biting down on the, uh,

the relationship because it's like, where we from, there's, like I said, there's, there's, there's, there's no one there.

Okay. I mean, we over here, we locked in with millionaires. Mm. And moving around and around bosses. So it's like we, we,

we, we, we, we, we, we, we, right here. For sure.

Wait a minute. Okay. Still loading pistols dog and I used to write this blank bitch when I was in the halls. Do you, you know who the bitch was? Because I thought that was kind of interesting lyric. Like, why are you writing to a op? But I guess, you know, when you're locked up,

you could write to anyone, right? You're probably, you could be capping too. It could just be rapping, but. It could have just been a bitch to fuck the homie one time. And he said that. Like, it's not even that. So when you hear that word that rhymes with Custer,

you're not taking that as like directly always meaning that at all. Oh, okay. Because it be like, we ain't focusing on him. We got disrespectful. We got shrewd bitches. But it's just like, it's just, like, okay, we got a street fun. We got a shit. Okay.

No, I mean? I don't know. Okay. I just always thought that was like the weirdest lyric. Like, why are you writing to an ob bitch? But, I mean, when you're locked up with the second bitch, how I do it. No, we got to shhapose. They be sliding.

They be throwing up the whole section and everything. Really? You know how bitch is be, bro. They'd be emotional picking sides and basing it off that, how they feel. Bigger skin. Hmm. These hos are how people getting killed. Huh?

They dropping lows up there too? You got beyond saw. Yeah, to be honest, I really don't even associate, like, you got to be a certain, like, tier and level to even come around. Like, you can't. I don't even fuck with street bitches at all. Like, I don't, I'm not really even into that shit,

to be honest, when it come to hos and shit like that. No, yeah, you got to, like, develop the mental wherewithal to say no to bitches who you want to fuck, but they're just too messy too in the shit yeah that's a big part of growing up and then nowadays like these bit were just like nigga but the bitch is real life for just like bum on this ed so it's like you even gonna go even fuck with a bitch like eight times that attention some bum shit so you really got to kind of weed yourself in and i guess keep rolling the dice till you strike really that's real um okay so where does that's

the hairstyle come from? Because I've seen a lot of very interesting up north hairstyles in terms of like you get the shaved patch and then the tail enters into it. Like you got the braids on both sides. That's pretty epic. It's just a part of the culture.

Part of the culture. We got that. They got that and they got the Mongolian. It's like the one like right here. So it's basically that one, that one and then they got like the tail one as well. That's crazy. I had this shit for like four years.

So since when I got locked up, because then when I started going it out and shit, and I didn't even trim the edges or nothing yet. See, bro, that shit's in the zeitgeist out there. Because you got, like, all the Northern Cali dudes, black dudes and Texas and shit, who got the shagg. So you got like half an Afro growing out the back of your fucking dome.

And now I just even see like... Yeah, you guys do that too. Yeah. Like my boy, Munchy B, he's growing something back there. really know exactly what it is, but he got like a little triangle back there he's working on. I think really all that for sure, because I've seen that. I feel like all that came definitely after the wave of the tail. I feel like really, to be honest, like paying attention to it because I'd be like into,

I guess, I guess a little bit would be going on. I feel like that started really after Briss. I feel like after he popped out with it and then he passed away, like everybody started to get it. Like, and then it's just been like, it rolled over to where, like, how you said, like, people were doing, like, their makeshift tails and stuff like that, but I feel like that really boomed after, after the bro over there. Because, like, when I was in elementary school in the 90s, tales were pretty popular, but not with rappers or anything, just with, like, random white kids, I think.

And then didn't see it for, like, 20 years. And then now it's kind of, like, back with a vengeance. More like 30-something years. yeah nah it makes sense that's always been a thing though as far as over there people are just trying to find new innovative haircuts yeah i like it honestly i was telling my girl i'm thinking about growing a mullet fuck nah bray get up i got a bar to i looked it up on ai it said two years for me to grow a mullet like for it to hit my shoulders break it up all right go crazy see okay i didn't even think about doing some shaving put a big stripe in the bank yeah everything got the swirl design whatever you're

do. Yeah, but I just don't understand why all these white boys got mustaches and weird, like feathery mullets now. Like, they all got the same bisexual looking at. It's their culture. It's, it's like the stuff they do. They're just, I don't, yeah, just, I don't know. Something about it.

Like, this is when white dudes do the mustache with the mullet, it just looks hell of non-binary. Yeah, they, they, they, they don't know any good. Um, so, okay, like, what, what tattoos you got going on? Anything we need to know about here? I noticed the four dots about the eye Big ass 14 right here All right I'm just taking notes for any officers

You might be watching What you talk about? Just kidding You said like the police right there You get a lot of your shit in jail Or is this or in prison Or is this stuff that you got on the outside? No, I got some prison since

Most of it's on the house though Like It's prison Prison, prison Prison And like Prison I got some shit from the house though

Like Yeah I ain't trying to eat Okay for sure Okay, so Who would you say that you Like your actual rapping was really influenced by? I don't know, bro Like I ain't a lot

Like when I'm becoming like people would be saying I'd be coming like original Like I'd be trying to come like It's just I don't know It's weird bro I feel like I'd become different I'd be listening to like when I was younger

I'll be listening to like all this school shit Like Woody and like big tone And shit like that And fucking Oh, shout out Babyface Lil locked there by night And a nigga I go crazy And shit

He was gonna stay popping and shit Shout out too lot We all going crazy right now Free my nigga A WACC A WAC He was going crazy too Like the last video

He dropped A million views It's called If you asked me But the way you spell him Because we got the bro AWax in a bay But he's AWax 4

And he just got Crack for a murder So he's gonna be Sit down for a little bit but he's talking about like some some some laws or something might flip over he might get out soon but he he still got albums so he's still dropping albums and he's still he's still in motion with with the whole shit that's what's up um can you tell us about your friend uh pq who passed recently i notice he's around your neck how do you begin your relationship with him uh that's

a touchy subject bro uh but that's that's the bro 100% i mean that's my nigga for surely rest and peace on everything um um But I don't really want to go too much into that, bro. But, like, that's the bro and shit. Like, we was fucking with each other on, on some music shit. And just on the house, fucking around. He was flying around L.A. with me. You know, he was chilling.

He's from Sack, right? Yeah. Is he, like, one of the main people that you were connected with out there? I don't know. I don't know about that, bro. But, like, that's the bro. Like, you know what I mean? He's from Sack.

He's from Sack. He's fucking. He was a... He was all the way locked in with the bro. He was for all the way locked in with the bro. He's just so, like, Like, he was one of them, um, he was, I guess for me. I'm tired on my face.

He was, he was like the tightest to get out that way. That's, that's why we locked in. We both just automatically just, just fuck with each other. So like the whole, the whole Gator, Northgate. Oh, crazy. Yeah, we just, we just got behind it, um, as far as right when we locked him with the bro, because he's, he's behind us on the same shit. So we just, we really, that's really, we like, he's, he would have been right here.

To be, to be, like, to be real with this shit. Like, he was a part of our whole shit. Like, our whole, yeah, he just got out of the pen. Right. If you, you look at his music is with me, is with me. I think, and the bro just, his, the last video he dropped was with the bro. Right. There's only been a K, by here, a hundred K, less than a mind.

Well, he only passed, like, a couple months ago, right? Yeah, bro. I feel like a few weeks ago, kind of shit. It was that recent. Damn, that's crazy, man. Yeah. Damn, yeah. Rest and peace, man.

That's fucked up. For sure. How did you, how'd you meet Rico smooth? I know you guys got a banging song together. Where did that relationship come from? No, no. That's too smooth.

I left up to two. Yeah, no, that's the bro for sure. Basically, I was just, I was going crazy and shit. He already tapped in with the bro. Like, they're already locked in this shit. You know what I mean? I'm fuck with the bro. It's like people's people's and I tapped in with the bro too.

I was like, hey, shit, let's go crazy, you know? and we went and did that shit We already had the platform Bro to her we got everybody fucking with it So right when the bro popped out It was nothing like they're already lined in To where it's like when we're trying to lock in with bro Due to everything we already got going

Yeah No, he goes too smooth His music is stupid hard He's really really good He's going crazy I feel like he might be one of the best from up there for sure Nah he's going crazy I was just talking to him the last time

I was just talking to I'm, bro. Just to keep coming with it. I know the thing. Just to keep coming with it. Definitely. I found this page that, like, makes videos about you constantly. YouTube shorts.

Oh, yeah. I'm not going to shout them out. But it's got to be kind of weird to be, like, so new in the game and, like, to already have people that are basically trying to, like, kind of build their career of just commentating on you and shit like that. Nah, bro. I mean, yeah, for sure. But that shit was expected. Like I said, like, like, I said, like, no more.

popin you get like the more haters you think and like like look at me bro like they trying to look like they're trying to look like me as like some publicity shit like whatever the fuck like hey white no the time you're going to LA that I do whatever the fuck and then and they sell yeah but it's like and it real it real life don't even make sense on their end too because it's like they're giving us their whole platform because when when they're talking about us now next thing you know we got they bitches and they homies and and really sitting there taking a time and go listen to this shit.

All in my comments, all I hear is like, bro, this shit slapping in L.A. But you're talking like you're beefing with like another rapper. When you're talking about a YouTuber, it's like they don't really, like rappers, it makes sense. Like, oh, you don't want to give the other guy too much attention. But the YouTubers is like,

they don't got bitches. They're in the basement. I'm talking about, I'm talking about YouTube. I'm talking about YouTube people who, like you're saying, constantly make vint. Like, I'm talking about, bro. It is a, it's a, it's a stimuler. I don't know how much of them.

I swear it's like 800K. He's an L.A. He's an L.A. dude, but that's what I'm saying. I didn't do my research. Yeah, like he's constantly making it. And it's probably how you're saying what you're constantly seeing is probably the dude. Yeah, probably.

That's making those videos. Well, because one narrative that I is, is a shame how this works that people are so stupid. But once I heard him make the same joke three or four times, I started to think the joke was real funny. Were you guys hiding behind the rocks and, Malibu. Haldon areas. Hiding behind the rocks. The more it gets here in his head,

I was like, this is pretty funny even though I don't believe it. Now, I just imagine this, you go to the beach to blow on some woods. That's a dangerous thing to do in Malibu. They slide up on you real quick. But when you're on some players,

you're kind of just moving around, we're blowing on the line. It ain't that bad. It's like pulling up. Eat the roach. Yeah. Blowing some woods. And then we just hear like imaginary weird.

shit like bro it gets so weird to where like a lot of the shit you don't even pay they're trying to twist it up like that's like homies is sliding through we'd be out here trying to show him around like y'am mean i you're trying to go to the beach yeah yeah let's go slide yeah type shit i mean i'm gonna be real with you when i got a day off i'm much more likely to go to malibu and hang on on the beach than to go to like the hood like i was talking about you know like yeah it's like we're on some player shit like i want to be on the hood i could be in the hood up

in my section like you know what I mean type of shit like why would I'm trying to be out here in the hood like if I am I'm doing it because I'm like I got some money I got some business or anything you know but it's not like I'm trying to be out here like you know type of shit yeah yeah yeah I have like a theory that as time goes by we're already kind of there but it's going to become more and more like this that every famous person or popular person there's going to be another person for every person who basically bases their entire career off making fun of that person or documenting gossip about that person. Like it's like the world is going in that direction.

You say that I feel like that's what you do when you have no motion. Oh yeah, exactly. But people build careers this way, you know? No emotion. I feel like it's, I mean, it's rare. It's rare. But yeah, like people who do that, I just, when I'm looking at, I'm like, bro, you got no, you got no motion like literally to where you, you're trying to create it off of somebody else.

No, yeah. It is pretty crazy. just that you can get like as much attention being a hater as being an actual content creator you know you could like create things and put them out into the world and you know there's just always going to be somebody following behind you to be like i'm just going to tear that down yeah some weird methods yeah definitely um so have you ever had to deal with any kind of controversy about the n-word or is that just not even a conversation to you i ain't go like bro we know it's not it's not it like i said people ain't even thinking about that,

aren't even like looking at it like that, you know what I mean, type shit and it's like, and it's like, and it's like, and it's like, we fuck with the blacks hell of tough. It's like,

that's how we speak, you know, type shit. And not, not even in the Nourkechal in Washington, like I said, we're,

we're so much tighter. We'd be in prison with all the top blacks from, top blacks from, every neighborhood, literally every neighborhood in Washington. And we'd all the way locked in. Like, there's love.

I feel like I didn't hear anybody making a big deal about Hispanic people saying the N-word until very recently because even when 6-9 was going crazy I remember like the breakfast club tried to bring it up to him one time he spun it they didn't really get anywhere with that fat Joe was saying it all

the time now it's like they're really trying to politic this situation and I'm just like right it's way too late respectfully like even if someone was to say that like respectfully like that's fine I won't even say it like right it's not even a big deal like

but it's just like I said it's not even something that's being thought about when we're saying it's really just like a part of how we're growing up and even how we are in prison. Yeah, I feel it. Also, I'm talking about you saying it like you're a Hispanic person saying it. You're a white person saying it. So that's a little different from a lot of people's perspective. But if you

grew up like that, I mean, this is what it is, right? Yeah, like I said, I'm not going to look it like that. It's just no matter in your car. Like, you know what I mean? Yeah. I would, would way rather see you be true to yourself and offend the fuck out of whatever black lives matter chapter is making tweets about this than to change and just go along with that to avoid controversy that's that's just me i i appreciate people who represent how they actually were

when they were on the block before they were well known you know yeah so it's not my call but i feel like hey forget whatever works for you um okay on related how you feel about uh trump uh deporting so many of our beloved uh mexicans out here is that going on up north too or is it just down here oh it's crazy you say that crazy in la too that's hitting over there like i'm seeing on my thing like free my bro like what the fuck no yeah to me i feel like it's like a it's like a cold tactic like all them them them things you hear about like the way they they they fucked over people I guess back in a day, like, it's like a new age of it.

Yeah. Like, it's, it's crazy. But you're hearing about them doing raids up north and everything as well? Yeah, no, my, my bro's gone from it right now. Really? Wow. Yeah. That is crazy.

He's locked up right now. Yeah, I don't know if it's... It's like they're really diving into, like, the whole community of it. Like, they're not just coming after who they say they're coming after. Because I know my brother, like, he's a regular dude. He ain't got no crazy charges or nothing. No, yeah. Their attitude...

Like, came and got it. Their attitude is, we're going to... to scoop up as many motherfuckers as possible. And if you can really prove that you're supposed to be here, then you can say, I guess, but they're just grabbing everybody possible, you know? It's pretty wild. By the reason it's chip off people.

No, yeah, yeah. It's been a while watching all that shit happening. But do you think that that's making people question their support of Trump? Because a lot of Hispanic people went for Trump this year. Because you got to think about it. You run for president and you talk about, I guess everything great you're going to do

and people go for it and the next thing you know there's fucking kids and people like women or whoever both sides getting stripped from their families and just real life causing like terrible situations for people

when you're supposed to come in and I guess make everything better but just make it better like on one side but just fucked up on the whole other side but now you have people like Joe Rogan saying like oh I didn't vote for this. I didn't know that he was going to do this where I was like, I watched interviews with the guy, Tom Homan, who's like his head of immigration or whatever. And they asked him, they said,

like, are you, so you're going to go after just like the criminals, right? And he's like, no, we're going after everyone, 20 million, whatever it is, illegal immigrants. We're getting rid of all of them. And then all these podcasts hosts are like, we didn't vote for this. We didn't know that he was going to do this. And I'm like, well, I, I knew that. I was watching these interviews and stuff. I knew that he was saying that he was going to get rid of everybody and not just the criminals. They must have not been in tune enough or they lying. I think they just like so many other things that Trump is about that they kind of turn their eyes and we're like, oh, I mean, shit, you get a few or too many immigrants or whatever. Don't affect me.

They didn't read the fine print. Yeah, facts. Yeah. But, I mean, I've seen it with my cleaning lady. My cleaning lady who left us to go work for somebody who had more money to offer. She, this is her first time voting. She voted for Trump. And she's freshly legal.

So he wasn't trying to bump up a race. Bump over wages. It was complicated because, like, all right, you can pay them on the books or you can pay them under the table. But if you pay them under the table, that's just risky as fuck. Because, like, my lawyer told me that he's seen cases where a person will work for a family for 10 years and then just be like, I never got paid.

And just act like they didn't get paid. But it's all under the table. So they're able to be like, oh, you owe them 10 years of fucking pay. So, like, for us, we're like, we got to pay you above board. We got to pay you on the books. so that if anything happens, you know, it's protecting us. And that is, it's not good because nobody likes giving away like 40% of their fucking check to Texas or whatever it might be. But, yeah.

Okay, who's the dopest rappers in Northern California, though? Are you EBK fan? Yeah, EBK or are you a flyboy affiliate? I'm not even, I'm not even into those politics, bro. I'm from Washington, if I mean? Like, yeah, but they're both on bummer. They got some slashes, so. Facts, yeah.

I like all their music and shit. I'm just trying to figure out what you prefer. Nah, I ain't politic in both. I feel it. Who's your favorite South Sider rapper? I don't know. Not a single one? No, real life too.

Like, even like you put this shit on, I'll real life be like, oh, yeah, this shit tight. But a lot of that shit, bro, I'm not hearing about people talking about their homeless or people talking about they were laying. on couch, doing a whole bunch of bunch of shit, like, it's not even in rotation. And, too, I feel like they beat selection. You know, like, L.A. and Northern Cali

is, or even the whole northern region, it's like they beat selection is, like, hella different. So we're not, like, even listening to it, like, because of the beats. And it's crazy, too, bro, because I see it all the time. Like, you hear people from everywhere,

especially L.A. They always be talking about, like, they got, like, they whole shit. from over there. Yeah. I mean... I heard some slaps, though. But I'm not promoting that shit. I ain't never heard a slap, nigga.

Oh, my mama. Like, what? I ain't heard one slap. That's what I'm saying. I would have been like, oh, yeah, this shit's tough. Nah, bro. I heard it, but I ain't fucking with it.

Paiso's got a good music. Paiso is the hardest L.A. Rap, right? You say that because, bro, I was just talking to my bro. He just called. I'm like, bro. My nigga, AWax, 4, you literally put on their songs and shit. Bro.

You can tell whoever, because real life, you could tell, like you said, the fans are or engaging. You could tell you put them next to each other as far as that music. It's great. It's going to, like, surpass it because it's just, it just feels way more real. It feels way more real. You want to compare the music and, like, the platforms and niggas is on. It's a whole different shit. Like, the whole music will be, like, a whole different type of quality and shit.

Like, look at Lefty Gunplay, like. Oh, yeah, I would like to take him out of the conversation. No shots at Lefty, but he's not ready for the main stage. No. Lyrically. But you know what I mean? I don't think he's not ready to be a sore gang representative. No, we can't put him in on the spectrum.

We have many dozens of superior serenia artists that we're going to put in before him. Back to what I was saying about the whole shit, my bro. No shots. Shits on that, nigga. And it's just, it's just simple math. It's just simple math. Like I say, you get the time. AWAC's fault, if you ask me,

slap that shit and then slap whatever song you like of whoever and then you're going to be like okay i see what he was talking about if we did a song battle lefty gunplay versus rico too smooth it's over in 10 minutes it's over i'm sorry lefty it's not it's not even close i'm easy yeah yeah and i'm not taking aside i'm just saying that that one now i put peso up against him sure but peso also is someone who won't do a no jumper interview again because of the nortangos appearing on no jumper which to me is a little silly yeah you don't even know any of them right being your feelings uh because because like i said this is a west coast platform you're you're white like if you for instance you go to jail you're not involved with what we got going on like you doing whatever you doing so whatever you do is what you do hanging out with a bunch of big old Nazis or something right yeah we're not i'm not how do i avoid that i don't want to do that like i'm nah that's that's the bro he doing whatever he's he's out my way like my mouth is way am i white or am i other

What's up with the other? You don't know? I don't even know. I think that's like a California thing. I heard that shit. Do you respect a black dude who, who, okay, do you respect a Mexican guy who's in a black gang who claims other when he goes to jail? What?

A Mexican guy who's in a black gang, but then when he goes to jail, he's a other. This is a conversation we've been having recently about what's appropriate. I ain't going to lie. I feel like anyone who's just doing it. anything in general like if you say you true to something and then you go and then your actions ain't true to it then it's like the bro is on some phony shit or doing some whatever shit to where he just wasn't staying true to himself that's the way I'm looking at it because if you true to what you do you you're going you're going to do whatever it is like to stay true

to that yeah I feel it um okay so what do you guys has got coming up in terms of music and everything like that. Because have you released a full project yet? Yeah. Okay. I got two albums and I got a little EPN shit. Mm-hmm. So I got an album.

Well, like I said, bro, like the bro said, I got over 100 songs. Like, you know what I mean? Type shit just clicked that. So like right now, I don't even be, sometimes I make a slats. But obviously, you know what I mean, going out, doing my shit, you know what I mean? But to be, to be honest with it, bro, it's, it's, like I said, we got the algorithm. If you look at our whole footprint, my footprint, and the bros footprint, it's albums.

We dropping albums back to back. Like, we're not, we're not laying shit, breathe. And we're dropping the videos to all the albums. We're pulling out the Rose Royces. We're pulling out the Lambos. We're up in the mansions. We're doing a whole bunch of players shit. And we're just keeping it, like, literally rocking 200%.

Like, every day with it. Definitely. All right. So anybody wants to do you want to? shout out anything we need to know about. Shit. Shout out my nigga, EV.

Yeah, crazy on the videos. He'd be in the bay. He'd be all around shit. The world, really, he'd be doing this shit for the backpack boys. Shout out backpack boys.

Shout out backpack boy. Shout out my nigga PQ. Shout out our Gators. Yeah, shout out PQ, top gator. Shut out all my North Track people. On everything. All my yak him with people.

Shout out the station. Yeah, we're just going to keep doing what we're doing. Running it up. What do we say if we want to dishe yakima? Well, nothing. What you're saying? I'm just wondering.

When you talk about yakima, though, when you want to bring up yakima, you just say yaks. Oh, you're going to yack. Is that good, though? You want to be in a yack? Yeah, yeah. Like, we're sliding yaks. Just like, we go in L.A. Would you be ready to fade if someone called it Wackama?

Nah, that shit don't mean nothing to me. What? We all around the world. Like, yakima is just the burst spot. Just like the really weird, like, this is for where. where people are from, sometimes are, like, unbelievably funny. Like, the other day, somebody told me, like,

yo, if you want to diss somebody from the IE, you got to call them an ice cream eater. I'm like, that is the craziest sounding thing I ever heard, but it doesn't get a terrible diss. Like, can you imagine trying to offend somebody? Some corny shit, so it's like, you know what I mean? I don't know who really popped out of the law saying that. It does not sound good.

I'm going to bounce out of a little brazy. I'm bringing a little brazy to yakima. Fuck it. You still stay out there? No. No, I can't bring it. bring them there? Do you still stay out there, though?

Is it still like a good place to live at? Yeah, it's cool, bro. Yeah, for sure. For sure and everything. What's this? You guys putting packages in the middle for? Like, murder light. Oh, no, this is empty.

That one's empty, but these ones got it. Okay, we have the crunch berries. You smoke? Of course. You want to smoke one of these? I don't know about that thing. This is. That's that chunky monkey.

Those are like $40 in the store. Really? Yeah, they got the hash. It's a hash. Yeah, don't these hash hole things are fucking gnarly, bro. That's like a different level of high right there. Ooh. No, it really is.

I'm gonna lie. Somehow I just smashed that on the ground. All right. Nice. All right, y'all, I appreciate you guys coming down here. I feel like I'm going to squash it between you and Tommy guns. Squash it?

Yeah. No. I ain't even. I ain't even worry about me. It's not real enough. I don't think is. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

That makes sense. Yeah. Who is that? I don't even know. New guy on the scene, you know. Well, we got to, we got to support all of our L.A. top recruits. Exactly. As far as we got to support.

No, you've been going crazy. You called the bro, which, which we appreciate, goes back to like, you got to support the whole North, which you've been doing. What sure? You've been doing for sure. So it's love for that. My pleasure, man. No, I appreciate you guys coming through, top-ranked demon.

All right, brother. Let's keep it. Let's keep it demonic. All right, anybody true about that? Like, oh, you're a demon. Like, that's some. Satan shit. That's some evil shit. Nah.

The good kind of d'n. I don't make it like that, but it's just, I mean, that's just, yeah. For sure. All right. Yeah, I appreciate you guys coming through. No Jumber. Coolest podcast. Like, comment, and subscribe. Check my man's out on all streaming platforms. Top Ryan Demon. Let's go. One top right demon

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