No Jumper - Trap Dickey on Getting Shot & Getting a Lazy Eye, South Carolina Come Up & More

Episode Date: June 6, 2024

Trap Dickey talks about his incredible come up, his upbringing, his eye incident, friendships with Akon, Shawn Cotton from SayCheese and more! ----- 0:00 Intro 1:20 There's only about 4000 ppl where he's from in Carolina 5:10 His mom was 14 when she had him, his pops passed away shortly after from the streets, his dad was 17 6:15 His dad was in the streets and a preacher, his grandad was a police officer 9:30 Dickey spent most his life w his grandparents, his mom was young and still in school 13:00 Dickey loved school! He used to get in more trouble at home than in school + His brother is the one who really got the first W when it comes to music 14:45 His brother, 3 yrs younger, ended up going to the Feds, so Dickey took music seriously 16:15 Dickey was trying to keep his brother off the streets, booking studio session, he didnt show up so Dickey recorded for himself instead 17:18 Dickey got arrested for firearms, where they from, the cops are on him they aint playing, "in the country, rules be easily broken by cops, cameras get cut" 21:45 People becoming cops to arrest their opps! Anyone can be a cop at 18 w a clean record 23:30 Dickey got shot before he became a rapper, wrong place wrong time, he walked into the crossfire 24:50 The bullet got stuck in his head at first, didn't feel overwhelming at first, he didn't lose conscious, after the hospital he didn't go to the doctors 25:00 Hospital visits and medical bills was way more stressful than getting shot, the paperwork, the insurance, and he didn't have the money then, he said: "If it's NOT about to kill me, let me come back later" 27:30 Dickey was never insecure about the way his eye look, if anything he stands out 32:00 Dickey on giving back to his community, and putting his area on the map, says the mayor is proud of him, and cops who arrested him before also support him 35:45 SayCheese believed in him since he got sh*t, and always showed love 38:30 Dickey got a m charge, the cops knew he had nothing to do with it, but they still questioned him, it was a scare tactic, all charges were drop 41:00 Used to rap with an eye patch, then he just stopped caring 42:15 NoFace NoName, is his cousin and he always had an eye issue, he's the life of the party everybody loves him where they from "I know i aint as ugly as him" 43:45 Waiting for his brother to come home, he just went back coz he had a violation 44:50 For Dickey, rappin as a hustle! 45:50 IMix Nation is Dickey's engineer, he recorded so many ppl in their area, he bring ppl together 49:05 Dickey met with a few labels, his money is growing rn but he's open to sign, Dickey suggest to go to a label meeting prepared and professional 55:40 Dickey and Akon are super close! It's like big bro "that's my Daaawg!" they know each other's families + Snoop as well that was major 59:00 How he promoted his song "Blue Devil" and it grew after the On The Radar freestyle + Working on his project, he has so much cooking he can't share but he says big names 1:06:45 Dickey's mom side is from Phily + Dickey is super cool with Skrilla 1:08:00 Dickey is checking up on Crip Mac, says he's looking forward to see him out again 1:09:00 Dickey loves Lil Dickey and would love to link up S/O all the Carolina artists Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper, coolest podcast on the world. And today I'm sitting down with a South Carolina resident who's making a lot of noise. And I believe you have a big future ahead of you. Trapped Dickey in the building. How you feel, man? I'm feeling good to be over here. Yeah? In your facility.

My guy. I got that vibe right away. I was like, he seems like he's happy to be here because I feel very extremely guilty about being an hour late, but I had to make a series of very important phone calls earlier. So I'm a little, I was a little miscombobulated, but now I'm in the zone. Come on, man. We ain't tripping on no time. We're here.

Oh, that's a good thing about people from down south is that they ain't, like, used to be on, like, a rigid time schedule, like, people from the coast. We late to the funerals. Weddings, all that. Because you've been out to L.A. a bunch of times. Yeah. Yeah, I've been out of L.A. a bunch of times just mingle around doing what I do. You feel I'm saying? It's very different from over here from where I'm from.

Like, we see different stuff when we come out here, but it's real different. Okay, because, like, there's a lot of different. levels of South Carolina, right? Because I always hear Charlemagne talk about where he's from. Yeah. And I think it's Monk's Corner. It's like he describes it as like the most remote place, barely fucking anybody from there. So is where you're from?

Is it like that or is a little more active? No, I'm going to tell you the truth. Like Carolina's so spread out. Like, you know, like you ever heard of something called a hole in the wall? Oh, yeah. Yeah, like that's where it's a bunch of holes in the walls in the Carolina area. Right. Like where I'm from, it ain't nothing but like 4,000 people in the population and 30.

minutes, it's another whole different county, but it's probably 6,000 people in that population. Well, y'all in a bigger city, it's like 30 minute drive is nothing. Y'all make that all the time. That's probably like seven miles, you know what I'm saying? And that's why it blows our mind from a L.A. perspective

when we realize how much fucking violence goes on in a lot of these down south states, because it's like everybody's so spread out that to us, it feels like people are killing each other because they're stacked on top of each other. Like, you got to think about it. in the city, okay, like,

for example, California, wherever you go shop at at Walmart or groceries, it's probably five of those stores in the same area. Where we from is one Walmart in that area. It's probably one high school in that area. Probably three gas stations open at the 12th. So it ain't like you ain't going to see who you're going to see. It's a respect thing.

That's why they're saying Carolina is more of a respect thing. Like, when y'all hear the horn blow up here, y'all probably know it's a regular thing. When we hear the horn blow it's, oh, shoot, who's blowing the horn? What's going on? That is a good point, yeah. Because it's like even, like, I lived in Texas for a couple months, like in Austin, which, granted, Austin's like one of the most hectic-ass cities in Texas.

But it was definitely that kind of vibe where it's like when you'd be going at the bar or the club and that shit letting out, you realize like, oh, this is when everybody's seeing each other. So if there's going to be some shit going on, it's probably going to be an environment like that. They don't need to be around each other all the time as long as they get around each other once in a while. Yeah, that's all it is in the Carolina's like, trust and believe, you probably see, yo, if you don't like him, you know where his mom stay. You know where his grandma stay. It's just that you're from Carolina, you know, it's boundness.

We respect people, you feel what I'm saying? We respect others. We live here, you know what I'm saying? It ain't like we can, we can't tear down one side of the city and go to the other side of the city. Like if, like in New York, you can go from Brooklyn to Harlem to different cities. Like in Carolina, if you damage this city, the whole. city know what you just done. So it's like, it's a respect thing.

Nobody ain't going to try to shoot at nobody with their grandma and none of their baby mama. We know we're going to catch you. But I always hear about that from like people in the mafia or people from Chicago and the whole drill scene and everything that they'll be like, you know, it used to be like you didn't start some shit with somebody when they were with their kid or when they were their grandma, etc. And like they always end up saying that that shit just goes away as time goes by where

when the mafia shit gets more extreme, all. of a sudden people getting blown down with their grandma next to them and shit you know? It's like I can't I can't tell you about like I never seen that type of thing like mafia shit like like like all I can talk about is Carolina you feel I'm saying that's what I know about like we we big on respect like you know a lot of people we I ain't gonna say we ignorant to a lot of shit but we're ignorant to a lot of situations like we we're not the last to catch on but we damn sure ain't the first you feel I'm saying so it'd be stuff like that like we feel like makes the major part of the streets, other living, this way.

Like, you know better than that shit. Like, you know you can't do that. Like, why we're going to go to his mama house? You know his mama at all in there. Right. Mutual respect. Yeah, it's mutual respect for the parents. Right.

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want to do a performance video at the store on Melrose we do have some availability so hit up Josh at nojumber.com yes just hit the email and we'll get back to you thank you so what kind of environment did you grow up in you have both your parents as a no no when I was my see I like my mom had me like 14 15 right my dad died at 17 so as soon as he had me he passed and like I won't say I grew up in a bad environment but the community was was bad but I I live with my grandparents so you know grandma's boys like you feel I'm saying grandmas take care of their kids most likely they're older

you feel I'm saying so I didn't I can't say I jumped here first in the streets like I just was in the streets so what do you think sort of led you in that direction were you more of a normal kid at first yeah I could say yeah but being traumatized like you got to think about a growing up when when your parent or something get killed or something like that you feel that's that was my mold like to be in the streets like my dad died from the streets like you got people in the streets for no down reason like you got people who be hustling trying to be street nags like you ain't got to be in the streets to hustle wait so you're saying that you grew up knowing what happened to your dad and that

really impacted like how you went about shit yeah down right like i said my dad he he died at 17 but he also was the preacher son you know what i'm saying so yeah the preacher's son and and everything like that so another thing like big community he also was a police officer my granddad was a police officer so for his son to get killed at 17 selling drugs and all that it's like I said it's a community thing

so it was like a big impact on their lives definitely on my life were you his only son yeah I'm his only son he had me young so of course only son so that would really have me focus like okay I'm gonna make sure I do what I got to in the streets to make sure his name stay alive

But, you know, at the risk of saying too much, but like, are there rivalries, like, where you're from in terms of street shit between, like, like, they have been passed down for generations, like the same people don't get along or as time goes by? We don't, like I just said, the Carolina's a respect thing, so it's never a color banging thing. Like, you got people, nobody don't gang bang, really. It's a, like you said, neighborhood, you got this neighborhood stays on this side of town. This neighborhood stays on this side of town. So like you said, his rivals pass down, like, from generation to generation. It's interesting because, like, I feel like California is less like that because the gang should have been around for so long that you could have somebody, like, go choose to be from a hood that is not the actual place that they're from. But then you go to, like, Chicago, it's like, Oblock is Oblock.

You ain't Oblox unless you grew up in Oblock. Like, it's very unlikely. Like, you're basically just going to be from where you're from. Yeah, yeah, like that's the Carolina thing. like how they say you might, I said in a song, like I got a cousin who blood or brother who crippling or cousin who GD. I think I said like that. Like it don't matter what gang you in.

Like if you overhear, you over here, you over here. Like, of course people go other cities because grandmas and stuff stay over there, stay over there. But mostly wherever you're from and you hang out, that's what you represent. So you don't have to be in no gang. Like a lot of us don't gang bang. We just on our side of time. Right.

We might rep with majority rep, but it's a town thing. It's a block thing. That's one thing that I hate is like sometimes I'll be interviewing a rapper, and they'll be from a very dangerous neighborhood or whatever, but it's obvious to me that they're choosing to go in a different direction. They're trying to keep it positive. They're trying to like not diss their enemies, et cetera. But you know that they're still a fucking target for whoever they don't get along with.

Like no matter how much he's trying to be the change that he wants to see in the world and trying to be positive and all that shit, that if they catch him the wrong way, that he's a symbol to them of that neighborhood, so it don't matter if you're trying to be positive. You know, a lot of this shit is so bloodthirsty that that shit don't matter,

and that shit can be kind of scary, just knowing that even if somebody really tries to change, there's people who won't give a lot. For a fact, it's like that everywhere, though, man. I can't say I see that a lot in Carolina, but of course with the internet, we see that all the time. Like, with rappers, we feel like,

probably wouldn't so hard towards the streets, and then they get caught up in the man. And it's like wrong place, wrong time. That's how I look at it. Definitely. So does your mom try to guide you in the direction of, like, being a good kid and trying to, like, really keep you on the right path? No, like I say, I'm not going to say my mom wasn't there, but I live with my grandparents all my life. Okay.

Like, when my dad died, my mom still was in high school. Yeah, because she's really young, right? You know what I'm saying? She was still in high school, so I was living with my grandparents. I ain't going to say she's staring me wrong or right, but mom always did what she did. Like, you know what I'm saying? She came through when she was supposed to. She made the birthdays.

She made the games. Like, I ain't going to sit. Now, my mom went no bad mom. She was young. She went on bad mom. Right. Because what's the age difference? You said that she's like your best friend because you, like, hang out with her on some regular shit.

Listen, my first shows, my mom at the club taking money from the dough. My last show even sold out my mama in the booth with me. You know what I'm saying? Like, my mama ain't that older than me. She's only 14, 15 years older than me. me. So that makes my granddad not that older than me. You'll see my granddad in the club with me. Right. I'm saying. On her side. So it's like, I'm really about my family. I make sure my family are tight. That's my main thing. Dude, that makes a huge difference because like my mom

is like, you know, 33 years older than me. So that's just like we always, she never been like the hot mom. I never had to think about one of my friends saying like, damn, your mom looked good or some shit. I'm sure you probably dealt with that kind of shit. Like that shit never was a, was an impact on me so I guess I kind of got lucky in that way. No, I ain't gonna lie too. Like you just said, like my mom, like my best friend type stuff. So of course, I might be, when I would be at her house, I might be smoking a little room and my friend like,

and your mom let you smoke in a little room. Right, but your mom's smoking too, because she's like only a little older than you, yeah. So when she stopped smoking, it was like a, all right, your friends know what I used to do, but cut it out, go to your room type stuff. So my mom always been cool. She always been cool.

She'd be rough on the little ones, but when it came to me, it was like, he's great. So, okay, you were always wilding, or you were doing good in school at the same time? I ain't never been wilding. Like, hell, no, wilding. To me, wilding is when you get caught. Okay. I'm saying, wilding, like, acting out in school, like being in a chatterbox and getting suspended, shit like that. I'm not talking about, like, really wild and wild.

No, my grandma walks my ass, you know? Like, I gets beaten, you feel me? Like, that's what goes on. Of course I get in trouble in school Who I was getting suspended But man I'm getting an ass whoop And every day I go home from getting in trouble I know like hell nah

Like grade wise Yeah no I ain't play that I knew Like the me fun was at school When I got suspended I'll be home I don't even see the same girls That I used to see every day at school

So it was like what was the point I getting suspended Like I'm trying to be where the girl's at And when I started Woo to Woo and like clientele at school Like when they're, I don't see the point of getting kicked out of school. I'm trying to be at school where it's going down at. See, I never had that perspective.

As a kid, I always just wanted to be out of school so I could do what I wanted to do. But then once I graduated school, I realized like, oh, there's never going to be another time in my life where I'm surrounded by this many girls as well as like, you know, people that, you know, once you get out of school, you start arranging yourself in society by like who's friends with who, who's got certain things in common. but when you're in high school, you're just around everybody. And after that, that shit never comes back. Because even college, if you go to college, it's more, these are the people who can actually afford to go to college or have an interest in learning, et cetera. But when you're in high school,

that's when the poor kids, the rich kids, everybody is all coming together, you know? I love school, bro. I ain't going to lie to you. I think probably after, like, the fourth grade was when I stopped getting in serious trouble at school. And I was like, man, hell no. I can't keep getting suspended.

I'm getting more trouble being suspended. at the crib than am I going to school so I was like I rather just take my one ass beating coming from school from getting in trouble than being suspended all the time and getting in trouble yeah definitely so were you always like obsessed with music or what was the the role of music in your life to be honest like a lot of people know I speak on it a lot my brother actually is the the the rapper right like he's the one he had a viral freestyle from famous animal oh really like he he he's the he's his truth. Where's famous animals located? Memphis. He out there in Memphis.

He really doing this thing. They've had a bunch of huge free styles over the years. That what really got me rapping. He's originally, like I say, he's my mother's child too, so he was in the hood every day. So it'd be hard to convince him to take the route of, man, get out of the hood, let's do some news. He in the hood every day.

So I can't kind of convince him to take it serious, but he's way talented. He's way to me. You feel I'm saying? He's way better. His impact to the streets is a different, different prospect from what I do. So it was like that really got me into doing it.

When I seen him slacking at certain levels, I would like, now I could do it too, nigga. So I thought it would motivate him and that would do. Like when I do some here, try to double back to still show the screeze, like he still can do it. Right. But then you kind of ended up taking center stage?

Like when do you feel like you kind of? He ended up going on prison. He ended up going to the federal system. And when he went there, that's when I actually kind of full throttle. Like, took it serious, serious. Like, he locked up. So I started basically riding his way.

You feel, my little brother, I rode his way to it popped off. You feel, me, to it popped off. Like, everybody already knew I was in the streets because I'm his big brother, you know what I was saying? So it was like, it kind of went to a whole other level. Okay, so you were actually looking up to him, even though he's younger than you. Yeah.

How big a difference in age was it? Three years. I'm three years older than my brother, yeah. Okay, and he was always, was he like the plug or was he just doing a little bit? No, I ain't gonna say the plug. Like I say in Harzville, it's only like four to seven thousand people. Like, he didn't take the right idea, you know what I'm saying? So school was never an option.

Like, he's outside of school, he's in the streets. I remember him playing ball against the old head And the old head was like Ain't you got school tomorrow? He's like hell no And I got school tomorrow I'm like down this nigga My little brother grown his head

So it was like I can't say he was a plod time He was just a street nigga Like real life street nigga Going hood to hood that they know Did you approach him and tell him That you wanted to get in the game Or did he kind of put you on inherently?

Fun fact, real story I booked the studio session for this dude man and he ain't show up he ain't show up he so you were trying to keep him on the right path in terms of music yeah down right like because I knew like being realistic like I knew

he had what he needed to back him I was going back on fully like 100% whatever we need to do whatever we need to go viral if we need to beat a nigga up in the club we need to do anything he knew I was going to do it I was going to take it to that extent to taking him to that next level

so when I seen him slacking like I said I bought a studio session. He ain't come. I'm like, fuck it. I'm about to spit something in here. And I went to, when my people were like, that shit sounds pretty good. Like, you really can do it too. Like, you think so?

Like, yeah, I kept going with it. So it was like, if he ain't go to the studio, I'm going. It was more of a, if you ain't going, I'm going to force you to go. Right. Like, I go pay, come do this on. If you don't come, now we back at Mama House fussing. Why you ain't come to studio? So what did they end up catching him for?

He went from on for fire arms being real, convict the felon with the fire arm. Like I say, bro was a screey baby. He had them been through the juvenile system, all that back and forth, you feel me, convict the felon, convict the felon with a fire arm. Yeah, because you're describing where you're from as being like a small town type vibe.

So are the cops on your ass? Does I feel like the cops are like super in? Everybody's business? Yeah, like it's like it's levels the power in the country. You got to think about it. Once you get to a certain level, you know, you can control certain things. But once you look like the main target, oh, the police ain't playing with you. Like they come to see about you.

And we in the country so you know rules can be broken. Rules can be broken. So like in the country down, right, police on you. If you're making noise, I'm trying to put another good. Like, okay, problem example, like over here, if you in Cali, you're in Cali, you're, you and Cali destroying the community on this side, this other side of Cali probably not worrying about you. True.

Because you over there doing what you're doing over there. Because up north in Stockton and Oakland and San Francisco, I know because I interview them and shit. But like to the average dude in L.A., that is a distant planet that they'll probably never visit. They don't give a fuck about what they got going on. You know, it's like a totally different world. But like I say in Carolina, the cities are so small.

So when you're making a bunch of ruckers in this city, They got to come see about you because you make it too much noise in their community. Like, a problem example, I got a good following. If it's only 4,000 people in my city and 3,000 of them can say they know me, and 2,000 of them say they like me, and 500 say they'll do something if I tell them to do it. That means you're very powerful. You can have a bunch of people do something in a small community. So the police got to try to have that on, you feel what I'm saying?

because if you're messing up the community, you're messing up the whole city. Because that's the one thing that I like about living in a bigger city is that it's like out here, you really got to do some shit to attract the attention of the cops. And I see that with a lot of different things.

Like the graffiti world, I pay attention to all that shit. They're not opening investigations on motherfuckers. You know, they got to catch you in the act and then they'll charge you with some shit. Same thing. Like, I know dudes who've been selling

lean and perks for like 10 years and advertising the fuck out of it on social media every goddamn day. Every goddamn day. And it's not like the cops ever just showed up at their crib. Like, hey, we're going to get you. Now, if you're the brick man, now we're talking. If you got bodies associated with your shit, now we're talking.

But as long as you keep your shit kind of like underground or whatever, then you should be all right. Carolina is a different vibe. Now, we got big cities now. Like, we got Charlotte, Columbia. Like, we got big population cities where, like, a bunch of crime go on and people don't, you feel what I'm saying? Like, it's still a bunch of crime, but it's a difference when you. you in these little hole in the walls and you causing so much trouble.

Like, damn right, police come to see by two. Fads, too. And like I say, everybody knows each other. So you damn there went to school with this cop. You know what I'm saying? You can get pulled over and it's your classmate. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Like, we all went to school here. We all, everybody know everybody. But you were saying that it's like easy for them to break the rules? Yeah. So you witness a lot of like really shady shit over the years? Yeah, like that's basically what I just told. we all know each other so if I pull you over and I'm a cop and I know your mama and my mama best friends or some way down the line we know each other we have mutual respect

rules can be broken cameras get cut you feel I'm saying gone by today yeah that's dope though but then it goes the other way too it goes the other way it's like if I went to high school with you and I'm sitting there watching cars and I see one I see some dude drive by and I know he good he's not a criminal you're not a criminal the next car go by oh I remember that mother He sells drugs, boom, pull his ass over. Like, I mean, that shit got to happen as well, right? Same thing. Same thing.

That's why, like you said, you got to, if you're in the streets, you got to be in the streets for your reasons. Like I told you, I see people in the streets for no reasons that, like, hustlers are trying to be in a street life when you just was a hustler. You should have just been hustling to get out of the area you in. And you got fighters that be in the streets getting killed for fighting. Right. Your ass should just went to play you at.

or see a boxing or something like, you didn't have to jump in the streets because he was a fighter. But do you see people get, become police officers and then basically like use their power to kind of like take aim at people that they don't get along with?

So I could be like a sneaky blood cop and only arrest people that are on the other side of the equation. You can be a cop at the age of 18. Like it's like it ain't no rules to this shit. So when you're a cop and that's why they leveled the arm, they lowered the age,

carry a gun now. Like, bro, you could be a cop if you got a clean record. Right. So if my little brother got a clean record and he's been banging blood all his life, as soon as he getting the cop game, he could definitely go straight to that area over there and pull his power card. Right. What's up? What I smell like? I got some. I ain't got nothing, Rob. You just, okay, you're going to chill with me, but we're going to do this together. Yeah, sit your ass down, Rob. See, He always hits you with the paw, yeah. No, but that makes total sense. Like, if you are basically like a gang leader,

don't get people that give you money so that you can put guns out in the streets. Just turn the little homies and the cops and have them arrest all your ops. That's a definitely route you could take. It's a pretty good strategy, regardless of the ethics involved in it. Yeah, I know that like,

that's like if you go shoot on somebody, mama house, you're going to call their mama a snitch because he told on you. Exactly. Like, you can't do that. She's not in your street life. She's not in a street life. You should have did it the right way.

I had a gangster dudes kind of tell me before, like, you know, you could call the cops. Like, I can't do it, but you could do it. And, like, you know. It's like you said, it's rules to it. It's fucked up, but it's rules to it, man. But definitely, though, no lie to you. It's definitely cops that choose their side. They'll let you know, like, we don't deal with this side.

We deal with this side. Wow. Small town shit, especially. Damn, that's crazy. All right. So what age are you actually when you got shot? This is after you popped off as a rapper? No, no.

I got shot then turned to a rapper. Okay. So you were at 21? What were you actually doing? I spun a nigger around and put them in the full Nelson. For real? Nah, nah. No, what happened to be in, being honest,

my baby brother shot me in a crossfire. Like being at the wrong place, wrong time, playing around, doing stupid shit. You know what I'm saying? And I kind of walked in his line of fire as he shooting. I turn around and boom. But who is he shooting at? I actually, I don't know. It's just a crowd of people type shit.

He was doing his do. I'm in the way. Where were you at? Like a party or something? Blot party type of shit. Okay. Blot party type shit. Holy shit.

And you just accidentally kind of walked into it? Walked into the line of fire. What the fuck? And this is the same younger brother that ended up going to prison or a different one? It's like four of us to be real. Okay. I'm just the oldest. He didn't end up getting caught for it or anything?

No. I'm a little brother in the school the next day. Holy shit. The little bit of school the next day. So do you get rushed out of there in the ambulance right away? No, damn, it went like a, like when I got shot, the bullet actually was still stuck, so they had to cut it out. Like, it was a, like, when I got shot, it was like a boom, damn, what the hell just

happened? Like, look around, no falling, like, damn, how did I, let me look in a review mirror in a car, and we went to a car. damn I got shot let's go to the hospital tight shit like it went no oh ambulance he's falling

it didn't feel that crazy no it wasn't that type of vibe like it was a boom boom shot it's going all type oh shit boom how it happened then I go to the hospital

or get the bullet out you know boom boom boom boom and so you realize that your your eye was f*** up right away or nah to be honest my eye didn't start

getting f***ed until actually later down the line. Okay, right, because you didn't go to the doctor's visits. I didn't go to no doctor's. That shit was, being shot wasn't traumatizing.

Going to the doctors and all that shit, like insurance, bills, that was the traumatizing part. Really? Like, when I got shot,

it was like a, boom, damn, what just happened. Like a, oh, man, you had the wrong place, wrong time,

playing around, and look at you. So when that happened, it really was like, damn, I didn't lose conscience. I didn't fall. I didn't have a headache or nothing.

It was just like a damn, a lesson learned. Like you, all right, now you see what going on. You've been out here long enough. Now you got, you felt the fire. So what you're going to do? Holy shit, dude, that's crazy. That's how that was. But, like, going to the hospital, that's the traumatizing part.

So you were just, like, young and crazy enough that you just didn't even give a fuck about following up on the appointments and shit? It was traumatizing. Like, going to the doctor. And if the insurance run out this type of, at this time of the month, I might have to bring my money with me to pay for this. And it's like, I ain't had the money then. My granddaddy trying to get me to keep going. I'm like, bro, I'm tired of riding two, three hours with you.

I can't smoke. I'm to the point. Now, if they tell me I ain't fin to die, it's over with. I ain't going to no more appointment. So you're a real rapper. Like, no, I ain't driving for two hours to where I can't smoke. We just get my fucking eye fixed. Yeah, like, man, that's, come on, man.

I feel it, though. I asked them straight up, like, if this is not going to kill me, I could come back later for it. Like, shit. Like, it was my first scar. Like, be real, my first scar on the streets. Like, you know what I'm saying? My first broken bone type shit. Boom, I got a war room.

Like, if it ain't going to kill me, shit, let's keep this going. I got to get back to making some money. Were you insecure about the eye shit at first? Hell no. I got a cousin who were born with a messed up eye. Okay. So it was like my eye wouldn't, it wasn't lazy at first. So it was more of a you doing it to yourself thing.

Like, I'm not worrying about it. And I was already somebody before I even got shot. So it was like, for it really to me, it makes people recognize me faster now. Right. Like it even helped me get the way I'm at right here. Yeah, no lie. Because when I first watched your video for the one song that was blowing up, I was like, it made me more curious about you

to just see that you had clearly been through some shit. Yeah, like you got to think about a lot of people I ain't never seen nobody that actually got shot in the face and still be, you feel what I'm saying, communicating all that. Right. Like, a lot of people don't see that. You know, most people that get shot in the face ahead, they're gone or they got a dysfunction or something really going on with them,

you know what I'm saying? All I got from it was a lazy eye that probably can be fixed if I go pay for it. Oh, really? So that's still an option? Yeah, like, yeah, I still, I never been to the doctor. Really? So you just don't even know what the official prognosis would be?

Yeah, I remember what they told me. It was just damage to the retina or whatever it is. The retina, yeah, yeah. So I was on, if it ain't going to kill me, maybe I can get a fixed later. Right. What if I had got a fix, and then I wouldn't have been, like, so recognizable. I know. That's what I feel like.

I feel like it doesn't help me out so much. Right, yeah, maybe down the road or something. seen that a lot of times over the years though like uh i remember danny brown the rapper blew up he had all ficked up teeth made him like super recognizable thinking about like playboy cardie got a big ass like birthmark on his face asap yams had this big birthmark on his face and that to to a lot of people that just kind of makes you stand out and i think a lot of people see that and they realize like oh this person has the confidence to not give a about something that they know that if they were dealing with it they would probably be hell of you know if i if i cared out of the thushase on before i came here

or to the other place. Like, you got to think about it. What am I afraid to say? I got shot. A lot of people, it's crazy. You got people that died from getting shot. Then you got people that's dying to get shot. They just want to feel it like, ooh,

they want to be so gangster to get shot and survive. Do you think a lot of people, like, want to feel that? What's so crazy these kids so damn crazy now? They really want to. They want to feel it so bad. They'll shoot themselves. Like, you've got people shooting themselves now, playing with guns shooting themselves.

Like really chettle bobbing themselves. Yeah, it is the kind of thing where like a rapper or like a public figure will just wear that shit like a fucking badge of honor. If they've been shot, just like they just take that to the grave. Like that's just the most illest shit that they ever been through. Ever had ever to. Yeah, even though. But then also now a lot of times when I do an interview with like a drill rapper or a street

rapper, it used to be that people would like brag about how many dead homies they got. Like it's this cool thing. Now I have a lot of people who deny it and will be like, you know, our side, we ain't really take too many losses, you know? Like my side, we only lost like one person. Them other dudes, they got like 30 of them dudes died, like, right, right. And I'm just like, this shit is really taking a turn because people used to be like really proud of like saying how many of they had lost, you know?

Yeah, I mean, shit, man. It's the power of the internet, man. Like, I feel like the internet did. The internet did a lot of stuff. Like, it took a lot of fun out of music and a lot of shit. internet changed the game like just think about how many rappers wouldn't be here if it wouldn't for the internet no 100% think about it like back in the day it was that hey listen to this if it ain't hard doing it's good and bad because somebody

like you is able to make a name for yourself off the internet in a way that like in a prior generation even in like 2014 or something you probably would have needed to get signed about like a Rick Ross or a Yo Gotti or whoever in order for anybody to give a about you and now you can kind of do that work on your own you know you could do it out the internet but I'm not I'm not gonna put myself in that box or say something like that because I actually feel like if I was rapping back then I would be farther than where I'm at like after strength of my music sound different from a lot of people I got my own sound but the the checking out of who we really is because you

know everybody do their background shit when they hear a rapper who he had where he from I just felt like my background would have match the stuff on rapping and it'll be able to blow faster you know what I'm saying so basically like you don't have insecurity about talking about a bunch of shit that you haven't really experienced which a lot of rappers probably do feel a little bit like that yeah like I have no problem it probably certain stuff I won't speak on but it's like me being as who I am like what I'm rapping about is really going on it's really happening I'm not the like I'm not the little man that in my situation, like, I'm one of the people that everybody know

handle his business. I stand on what I stand on. I do for my community. I buy shoes for the kids. I buy shoes for this school. Like, I really do what I'm supposed to as a street guy. Like, I'm not in the streets because my friend was in the streets. I'm not in the streets because I was a good hustler.

You found I'm in it because this is what I wanted to do. This is what I knew I was going to do once I got to a certain age. Does it feel like your city and the people, around there are like proud of you, proud of the fact that you've been able to make it this far? Like they're looking at you like the one who's going to kind of put the rest of the country on to what your lifestyle is like? Man, my people, I felt the mayor of my town proud of me. Like, everybody's proud of me.

Like, they see what going on. They see me change. You got to look at some of these cops was there when they locked me up for my murder. Yeah, I was thinking about the cops is that the cops are probably like a lot of the same people that are giving you a hard time who now got to admit, like, hey, we're happy to see you winning. They love them. You got to think about it. I went to jail.

I got out. I ain't mess up. I ain't had to tell to get out. I did everything I was supposed to. Like, they look at, even the cops got to respect somebody like this. He was a street guy. He did what he had to do. He did his time.

He came back. He gave back his community. Like, it's like, that's what you're supposed to do in the streets. Like, if you even look up to some of these big bloods and big crips and big Gs from back in the day, they preached the community. They preached. We was here for doing it. So it's like, shit, why not do that first?

like go ahead and knock that out the way so when they do see me grinding and get to the top or whatever you can't never say I never did it I did it when I ain't have it so imagine when I get it what I'm gonna do down right man my communities and I just want

I do for a bunch of cities around in my area like because at the end of day this is gonna look out for me when it get rough like when I'm going through hard times if I get pulled over from from speeding because I'm on the phone down right I'm looking for this cop to let me to go

Because I'm home. You know I ain't doing no wrong. Right. Yeah, yeah. Definitely. Okay, but where you're from, is it a whole, is there a lot of, like, different street dudes making songs about each other and that whole type of thing?

It's not so much. Somewhat, somewhat, but like I saying, I'm not the littlest person in my situation. It's a bunch of rappers from Carolina. I lie to you not. It's a bunch of rappers, but we all got the respect thing. Like, of course, this rapper from Carolina might not like this rapper from Carolina But this rapper, no, he's not going to dis the other

rappers that's hanging with them because it's a respect thing. We all might see each other at the club, you know what I'm saying? The fact that it's such a small environment keeps a level of respect that kind of has to be that way. Yeah, because we know once it go down, it's going down. Like, if you look at a prison rise or the type of prison rise, Carolina's going to pop up on Google or anything. Like, because when it goes down, it goes down, now.

Like, when it goes down, it's going down. But it's a respect level. So was the Blue Devil song the first time that shit really started to crack off? Or was there anything before that kind of had the momentum gone? Worldwide, Blue Devils is the first song that I had, like, crank up. But, of course, other songs that took me locally famous. Like, I had songs, like, Rive for me. the viral freestyle I had before

Blue Devils was actually on Mama on a Lauren Hill beat Say cheese, that's my dog, Sean Cotton, he really He really showed me a lot He was like the first person to post you Yeah, Sean Cotton definitely was the first person to post me back then Like he believed in me back then Yeah, Sean Cotton believed in me

The whole ride from getting shot to Going to jail to come at home on the arm, charges the whole thing, the whole nine yards. Did he try to sign you? No, he ain't even tried to sign me. He was more of a, he wanted to sign me, and then he came and actually seen me and then realized, like, I don't have to sign this guy.

Like, this is my little brother type shit. I don't even want you in that type of thing. Like, I actually seen him do everything with everybody else before he even attempted to tell me to come to the career. He always fucked me off the scrum. Like, he never even gave me to vote. vibes of, hey, I want you on my team. It was a shit, you're my little brother.

Like, I really like you. So he put me in predicaments that I thought I'll never be able to down, like, be in and situations. So, like, that's why I fought with Kyle, yeah. No, even though he's like, I think he's younger than me and shit, I still took a lot of inspiration and kind of pay attention to what moves he's making. Yeah, cool dude. Like I said, I like a lot of people, but he's a cool dude.

He reached out to me. A lot of people from Carolina started reaching out when he did what he did. So that what kind of made me. As soon as they start realizing that people on a national level are paying attention to you, they're like, I don't want to be the last one to the party. Oh, yeah, yeah. Like one thing about Carolina that a lot of people don't say, I'm not knowing if you're familiar with a lot of Atlanta and Louisiana, Alabama,

all those type of rappers, but they call scrape the Carolina first. Really? Memphis. I'm trying, I can't think. think of a lot of them but all those states they come to Carolina first to get that money like a lot of rappers will tell you from that side that they probably got their first hundred thousand of shows in Carolina like from Florida all of them they come to Carolina they'll tell you that so not necessarily known for being the place where the

most rappers are coming out of but the fan base is like big time for the biggest fans most of these rappers biggest concerts are in Carolina for a fact if you if they if they say it's not tell them to bet the money I'm willing to bet any rapper from that area like they biggest shows be in Carolina

for a fact interesting that's good enough yeah yeah but so okay you talked about getting shot but then you said you had a murder charge at one point was that before that

I had a no I actually had the charge before I got shot and I didn't get picked up until after I got shot really like they didn't charge me because like I said

in South Carolina, its rules can be broken, you know what I'm saying? They knew I had nothing to do with it. They knew I wasn't there. It was a, hey, you know the guys that we feel like, know something? Come on, let's lock you up and see if you're full. So the situation they tried to charge you with wasn't even, you weren't even there. No. No way near the scene, it was a, they break rules like that.

Like I'm telling you, like, to me, I think it's smarter to do that if you're a cop. Like, if they really want somebody to tell, like, we're not going to come pick you up, because you did it, we probably think you won't tell. Go talk to everybody else. Yeah, go pick up somebody else and see a... Scared the shit out of your mom, get her talking. Yeah, let's go to my... I mean, like, you know, it's not pretty, but that probably works.

That worked faster, you feel you, yeah. Because if they go straight to you, you're going to try to, like, plug all the leaks around you. You're going to tell your mom, hey, you got to say that on Thursday night I was doing this, etc. But if they hit your mom first, she might get scared and I don't know. I said it in a song called Simple. I was like, um, they locked my sister up for murder. I told her keep inside it I paid a bill like my partner had gotten some trouble they locked my sister up for murder before they even went and got him off the

scrunt though if we get her she a tail but you feel me it was like that was a viral thing I said to my son like you don't say nothing I'm coming to get you whenever you get your bond damn okay that makes sense um but so you ended up beating it like it was no big deal yeah they end up dropping a charge of the scrimpher up they already knew I had nothing to to it. It was just a, how they call it, a tactic, scared tactic type thing. So did you have to, like, when you first started rapping, though, was that, like, what, what about getting shot made you decide that you wanted to really, like, go hard with the rapping shit?

Shit, all eyes was on me. Like, it was, they already knew who I was, you know what I was and it wasn't like I got shot by anybody that was trying to hurt me or anything. So it was like a all eyes on me moment. RIPA to two-power, all eyes on me, they look and so I want to give them a show. Everybody looking, they want to see what I look like. When I first got shot, I didn't just pop out rapping. I actually put an eye patch on. So it was like everybody started seeing me with the eye patch.

So I just went to full rapping mode. And when I started rapping, it was like take the eye patch off. You know, the eye wasn't lazy yet. So as I see it getting lazy, I'm like, shit, I might as well keep going with it. So you weren't, you were like self-conscious about people seeing it at first, and then you were just like, fucking you took that eye patch off? Yeah, like, at first I had the whole patch, and I was thinking like, hell, no, I can't go out. Like, Doe Be with the patch.

He already took that and then Slick rulers. Like, they already got it. Yeah, Slick Rick. Yeah, Slick Rick. Slick Rick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, there's been a few people who made it famous over the years. But it is crazy that like such a small percentage of people end up losing use of an eye.

You know, it's like it's something that's so rare that we can only think of a handful of people throughout rap history that had that shit. So I would like down, Fetty Walk. Oh, yeah. Walk down. He don't wear no iPads. And I don't, he, nope. All these people that something happened to in my mind, I'm thinking like, but nobody ever had no gangster stuff or nothing happened to him. And they, you know what I was like, dude?

Like, Dobee had the, I got the got, I got it. So I was like, I ain't got a weird. He got, I got said, I ain't got a weird. I can talk about it. Right, definitely. So, okay, one name that I kept hearing you reference was no face, no name. Yeah. So that's just your homie.

Is No Face the crew or is No Face No Name, his whole name? That's his name. Like, I just said it earlier when I was like, hell no, I ain't self-conscious. I got a cousin who got a messed up face. Okay. Like, that's where he comes with the no-face, no name. Like my cousin grew up like that. He was born like that.

Okay. You know what I'm saying? So it was like. and he had the popular he was one of the most populous person I ever seen in my life all the girls all the homies everybody gangst want to be around him

even if you don't like the people he'd be around you're gonna want to be around him because he was so funny so when he jumped out in the streets and started doing what he was doing in the streets it was like shit ain't no way I'm gonna be scared to show my face and this nigga out here

showing his face right no that is kind of crazy like but is that I don't know that was a little bit the inspiration from your perspective it'd be like if he don't give a man I don't this dude don't get a I know I ain't as ugly as him I was just want some shit but that's like one of the closest members of your crew and everything like he's like one

of your closest friends my first cousin like first cousin like I ain't gonna lie his mom my mom's sisters so and that like another thing my brother was with him when he was rapping he no face no name like he he don't want took my brother like niggie do this you for me I was just the one backing him with the street stuff and stuff like that How long until your brother gets out of prison? Actually, he in their arm. I actually don't even know his day because he went back for violation. Like he got out and went right back.

Bro, hot head, bro. I ain't gonna lie, I just can't wait till everything fall and play. So when I be able to really put it in his face like, I pay you to sit your ass down. Right, definitely. But is he like really proud and excited about you have emotion? Yeah. Like, yeah, yeah, bro, bro, ain't no hater at all.

Bro, actually, he likes it. Like, he, he's the type, I just hate that he won't prove it, but he's the type, like, if he see me do some, he'll show you, like, that shit ain't nothing. Like, I can do it 10 times easier. I went to famous animal and did Blue Devils, so everybody was like, Hardaway, won't you do it? And then he went up there and showed his ass.

So, it's like, bro, he's going to show up anytime. Definitely. Yeah, like do you consider yourself more of a rapper or a hustler? Like, do you look at what you're doing with rap as like you just love making music and you love the art of it? Or is it more like you just were going to find a way out the hood one way or another? Yeah, this is definitely hustling. Like, this is definitely hustling. Like, it wasn't no growing up wanting to be a rapper, got the shit, got raps written back at the crib as a child or got my shit bumping in the crib or my old rap.

definitely hustling. I looked at it as if all these guys can spit this street stuff and probably never been through it, never actually had to be on the other side of trial or not like a lot of these rappers probably never seen nobody that got life and five and 25

of life. So it was like, I know I can do this. I know I can write what I've been through and what my people's going through and get it to the street guys like because we actually really lived it. So it was like, when I heard how the music was going

and I'm watching my brother spit it and I'm hearing him saying the stuff that we're doing and everybody's like, ooh, I'm like, I know I can do it. We talk about the real stuff. Definitely. So, oh yeah, I wanted that. On like a lot of your songs,

I don't know if it's a producer drop or whatever, but it says, I Mix Nation for real. On like a ton of the songs. Is that the producer drop or is that like your shit? That's the engineer. I ain't gonna lie. Our Mix Nation is the, he's the Carolina goat. Man, there's so many people that's from Carolina, but he's the one.

Oh, really? That makes nation, he records the biggest artist from Black Zach, the Tip T. Shout out, Black, Zach. I ain't thought about him in a minute, yeah. And that's another thing. All of us are near each other. Okay. Like Tip T, all the Carolina people, Rennie Rucci.

All us know each other. Rennie Rucci. All us know each. My heart. She's such a babe, bro. I've been feeling her forever. I've been trying to get her to do an interview forever, too. Yeah, like all of us, we,

know each other so it's like it's a mutual thing like everybody see each other everybody grinding everybody hustling so it's like nation really puts people together i mix nation is the engineer that if you want to meet other people like you got to go there like shout it to my brother frank denaro he was the real one that put i'm mixed nation and me together swear to god like i never did once again i'm looking out for my brother frank denaro tell me to come to i mix nation for the first time I take my little brother, I'm like, you go. Right. You do the rap in the Amix Nation.

Because we knew it was big. We knew if we get the nation, we're going to be able to see all the other rappers that come through. Wow, that's really good to know. There's always, like, lesser-known pieces of the puzzle that are, like, holding together, like, smaller scenes all over the country and shit, you know? Who that was, like, back in, I don't know what that studio is in New York, where everybody will go to. Like, you might see Buster Rhymes in her one day. You might see Method Man or whoever. Like, it was that studio.

wherever pot got shot at everybody was going there yeah fuck i can't remember but i can't think of that either but no that's that's dope like but i feel like now the mentality is a little different when nobody wants to all be at the same studio oh hell that's it's a little recording the air bs and stuff yeah yeah now it's different right air bambes but back then like that that's the vibe and that's the vibe nation try to keep alive like i might come in there ain't try i got an i got an artist from such and such such he bluzzin, he buzzing, he's doing good. Hey, go ahead and boom, boom, boom, you feel me, we're from Carolina.

We ain't, we're from Carolina. We ain't worrying about him charging no feature or nothing. Okay, boom, knock it down, boom, boom, boom. Like, that's how it works. Like, oh, black, Zach left a feature in here for you. Go ahead and knock that, boom, boom, boom. Like, that's how I go, because you was introduced the nation. You know what I'm saying? Out of his nation for real.

He mix it for real. Like, he's the true founder of the Carolina music. In my eyes, you feel me, there's nobody, like you said, you even catch it. I Mix Nation for real. Right. So when you listen to a lot of these other Carolina artists, you're going to hear it.

Well, hey, that's the point. For people who don't understand why producers or engineers put their drop on shit, it's like it kind of gets into people's heads to a certain point where you might end up just talking about them on a podcast for five minutes. That shit worked in the long run. Yeah, yeah, that's my dog, though. He really did that. He put things together.

So, okay, like that song and the freestyle and everything, they kind of blow up, what do you start doing? doing with that momentum, like, in terms of moving around. Like, have you signed or have you just, like, entertain the labels? I entertain a bunch of labels. I go see a bunch of people. I ain't going to lie to seeing so many people, and they all tell me the same thing. They give me the same options, you know, they tell me the truth.

Like, I think when they meet me and realize, like, yo, this guy is so humble. This guy is so dedicated. I really think they just tell me the real truth. They tell me the real side. Like, hey, look, this is what we want to do. If you're not with it, we're cool with it. we don't even want to do you dirty because you got to think about like I said it ain't like I got a bigger person in my situation so it's like they start to feel it once we get to talking and

chilling and okay this dude might be a real one so it's like nobody wants to be known for fucking up a good guy or fucking over a good guy you know what I'm saying no yeah even in the music business it's like there's a lot of people who will just treat the engineer like shit treat the the publicist like shit be a dickhead to the labels or whatever and like if you you're really like cranking out popping music then yeah a lot of people will give you some leeway in that regard but at the same time like if you're a nice person i mean that'll take you so far in terms of the people in the building that the record label's wanting to see you win and shit like that that'd be my thing like i ain't gonna lie i'm looking to get in a situation but how

it's going it's like my money's growing everything is growing a little bigger so i'm just really just steady going do-to-do they say they want to talk to me they want to meet and we push it up you feel me how you hey how you do you do you're doing it's you're doing it's a little bit you on. Because it's like you have interest now, but if you just end up making a song next week that gets 10 million views, all of a sudden the offers from the label is going to change a lot. They're going to be offering you more money. They're going to be giving you better terms as soon as they realize, oh, he can make a bunch

of hot records. Then all of a sudden, their confidence level in you changes a lot. Man, we got so much unreleased music. So that's another thing that artists I feel like they need to know. Like, when you go into these label means, put your work in. And so when they ask you what you got, they can pull it out. You feel me? That's another thing.

Like every meeting I ever went to when they asked for the work and I pull it out is like a damn. Like shit, you got all this, you got all this. Damn, that might be another one. That might be another one. Because the labels are extremely used to dealing with people that are very lazy and unprofessional. So if you can show them right off bat, like, hey, I'm not like that. Like, I got music. I'm producing music.

I don't need you to stick me in the studio for two weeks to come up with some good songs. I'm already doing this shit on my own. The label sees that and they're like, oh, all right, this is the kind of guy we want to invest in. It also scares them too because it's like they don't want to be known to fuck you over.

Like you got to think about it. I don't have people, I come sit down and talk to him. They're looking like, damn. See, well, I'm going to send you over here to these foes like, damn. I thought you could help. Nah, you got everything together.

You might need to go over here. That's like, prime example, Sean Cutter. Like it was a Like shit Right, I really believe in you Like I'm gonna try to get you to go over here I'm gonna try to get you go over here

I'm gonna send you let these folks talk to you Like that was the vibe like certain people don't want to be known To fuck over somebody that's good Because at the end of the day everybody know what the label's for It's like borrowing money it's like a loan like they they're the machine Yeah, so if you can make certain stuff pop without using the machine It's like you want to get in the bad best situation you can to let you really work.

That's all it is. From your perspective, though, like most of the money's coming from doing shows, or you make good money off streaming and shit as well? Like, with my point of view, I look at it at screaming and shows, like, money is money. A dollar is a dollar. It's by how you stack it. It's all by how you stack it. You can make it from, you can make more money doing walkthroughs if you do it the right way.

You know what I'm saying? So I don't look at it. as which one is bigger because of course the show money comes faster and bigger but the screaming something probably you never even see so when it builds up to that amount you're like damn I got that over there

yo that walk through shit is crazy because I remember when I remember I interviewed ESTG and then a couple weeks later something happened where he was like he was beefing with a promoter over something where I think they they put him on the flyer like he was going to perform but it was just a walkthrough and then they tried to make him

look bad by saying that he didn't perform or some shit like that and I'm looking at he's posting the paperwork and I'm like he got 25k for a walkthrough and this is like beginning of his career like when he first started popping off and I'm like realizing like if he's getting 25k I can't even imagine what a lot of people are getting or never mind what he getting for a show like that kind of put it in perspective for me of how much money you can make even just with the the clubs and the smaller shows in the in the down south you know like that's that's the thing about it like man and like of people get lost in it like a lot of people that come from nothing get lost in it

like you could be doing this right here doing shows and this right here then the next day it's gone so it's like with me i don't i don't play around with the promoters like i tell rappers that too don't play around with them if they pays you give them they drop some they pay you like go ahead and make their shit easier you know what i'm saying make life for them easier so when you go to get your other back end it ain't like they don't want to give it to you they'll love to even at the show flop. They'll love to give it to you because you did everything they asked. Like, shit, you did this, you did that. I can't be mad. You feel what I'm saying? I heard that from a few people over the years saying that like certain artists will succeed by

when they're doing like the Chitlin circuit or whatever. Like get your rate and get them used to paying you like a good solid rate. But when you start to blow up or whatever, don't necessarily like put all this pressure on them trying to get an extra 510K out of them like show them love because they folks were doing the first place. And then they'll keep booking you even after the initial wave of hype kind of fell off, you know? After one promoter book,

he's telling you about the other promoter. After they book you, they're telling you about and then some promoters if you do what you're supposed to, they're even alive for you. Oh, yeah, man,

he was doing this outstanding. The nigga came with only such a such amount of people. I ain't lose a dollar. Right. Like, it's all about making ends meet in the rap game. No, definitely.

Real, for real relationships and making ends meet. Who's the craziest person that's reached out to you since he started popping off? because I heard about the Acon one Oh yeah that my doll I ain't gonna lie to you

Acon really my partner Like that's big bro That ain't nobody that reached out to me He got a wife that lives in my That's from my city Right You feel me so it was like he was coming home Like you know what I'm saying

So when he tell me to come to the crib But shit like that I'm eating at the table You know what I'm saying So that ain't even no Like celebrity to me That's a big brother. Like, he actually checks on my family.

He knows me. Like, that's really, like, I go to the crib without kind being there. I know the kids. Like, we family, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's a whole different level. I went with Wack 100 to Nick Cannon's office to talk to him about something. We walk in and it's just Acon sitting there. And I'm just like, holy fuck.

Like, I never thought I would walk into a room and Acon would just randomly be there. Yeah, like, man, bro outside. You got to think about it from the whole, from, even. out here bro do some decisions and you look like huh but it's a con like imagine the whole six nine thing like oh yeah remember like and nobody does nobody give because he's acon like i'm watching people like acon why you with him like i even i watched a whole youtube video about that city that he's building in africa yeah i'll be honest the youtube video did not make it look like that good of an idea or like it's going very well i don't give a fuck i would never

you know that's acon like he just he's He got a different status. I ain't judging you. I don't give a fuck. What happened with that city? You can say, come on, bro. My man got good hair. Whatever it came from, you can't stop him.

Like, he's a king at what he does. Yeah, I don't know exactly what Acon is doing with his lineup, but he got like the cleanest. It's like a cyborg robot fade. Like, that shit is lined up so crazy. I tell a lot of people you wouldn't believe that this guy's personality is like that, though. There's a lot of rappers I can say that reached out to me. But him, like I said, I didn't even look at that as a reach.

Now, I looked at it as me going to my uncle house type of shit. But Goddy, the me, though, the biggest one, was Snoop Dog. He reached out. Yeah, when Snoop Dog reached out, that shit was like, that was great. You got to think about the Snoop's elderly. He's older. So that put all the old folks on, I ain't a lot, Snoop. I got to see you real soon.

If he do see this interview, I got to see you real soon. Because he motivated all the old folks for me. Like when he did that, oh, man, I was walking in the bank one time, and I'm looking at an older dude. He's like, ain't you that dude, that Snoop dog on coming on that? I was like, oh. That's crazy.

All the old folks love Snoop dog. Because as much of a legend as Snoop is, he's kind of like underrated. Like people almost don't talk to him, talk about him as much as they should when he might actually be the most famous rapper. Snoop is actually to me, the famous rapper that really don't do what he want to do.

Like, he don't, he doesn't. He does what he want to do, but don't, like, come, like, man, I think if he come down south, he don't even know, like, it's probably a statue somewhere, Snoop. Like, people love Snoop, bro. But he's also, he's, like, so himself that he don't really do a lot of the famous guy's shit that a lot of other people in his position would do. Like, he does do these crazy ads and stuff. You watch the Super Bowl.

You watch a football game. You see him 10 times throughout the course of the game. But, like, really, from what I understand, he basically, he got a big old compound out here, multiple recording studios and shit like that and he's just in there like all the fucking time anybody that go live with that do rag on you could tell they live as well he's home he relaxing

keeping his du rag on he relaxing when he step out he type of dude probably don't even get dressed no more until he steps out like Snoo could tell he had to create relaxing but I'm not going to lie to you snoop got to come down south there's a lot of love for him down south for so for so I'm gonna let them know.

Yeah, you got it. If you can, let them know, Trap Dickie definitely want to meet him. I will. I know some people who know some people, so I'm gonna tell him. But, you know, so, okay, you put out the Blue Devil shit four months ago, and then you haven't actually dropped any videos on your channel. You haven't dropped a mixtape since then. What's your perspective on dropping more content? Like, you just wanted to let this one just continue to buzz?

Actually, man, I've been grinding. I've been hustling. Like, shit, the Blue Devils was amazing for me. When it popped and it blew, it was like, with me and my team, we realized like, damn, it's so many tracks. Like, okay, we dropped Blue Devils. It didn't do what we did until we promoted. Oh, okay. We went to on the radar.

We went to Philly and put some promotion by it. I paid the money to do what I had to do. And Famous Animal, too. I went to Famous Animal paid my money, so the freestyle didn't catch until they actually seemed to on the radar. And it boom. So it kind of made me like, damn, I really got to get my money up, really, because when I did Blue Devils, I ain't going to say I was broke, but I was, you feel me, street living, you feel me, hustling, doing what I was doing. So when I first started seeing the money and, like, damn, I got to pay these dudes for features and stuff. But that is crazy that the on the radar shit and the, like, the famous animals type shit or all that on the block, the hanging mic shit, like, all of that stuff can make a break a career at this point.

Yeah, that's insane. It's the internet, that's what I'm saying. Like the song been out, the song, the song was out like eight months ago. But when I did the on the radar and it caught, it was like, damn, run the promo behind it, go to Famazana, go here. Shit, now we got to shoot the video. You feel I'm saying? It was a whole, whole different perspective. Like, how are we going to shoot the video?

What to do? Like, we got to, it was a lot of things. So now it's like, when I dropped that, it's, I'm. I don't want to come half step. Like, I want to be able to say, yeah, I did this, I did this, I did this. And like, the shit costs. Right. That's why a lot of people sign, I feel like to help them back them.

So that's the hardest part about it, like really standing down, grinding, getting where you want to be. For sure. Pop out. So do you have a plan right now in terms of dropping new music or in terms of dropping a project? Oh, yeah. I ain't going to lie to it. It's going to get real spooky.

Like, it's going to get real, like, rappers going to, I ain't going to like. with all the beef going on rappers got a rap now so it's like my my from my perspective this is what I'm gonna do I'm gonna change it up for the street niggas like I'm I'm really preaching to him I'm gonna preach a grandson I'm really giving them the sauce of being in the streets like so I feel like when it's tape drop all the real screed guys the real ones they're gonna recognize and hear what I'm saying and seeing like yeah this dude ain't playing like he's really one of us if if it is some rappers out that's really done been through or the been discreet,

they're going to salute me. They're going, you can't deny it. Whatever I'm saying, you know, you got to go through it a certain way to say it. A lot of these people

I ain't never been through what I've been through. So I know it's going to catch certain ears and it's going to shake them. And the people I got on this tape. Like the features I don't pay for all my part. This shit is crazy. Who you got?

Some people. Oh, yeah? You're going to keep it low for now? Keep it low. I'm going to keep it low. But I got some people. I got some big names. I respect that.

No, I like people who are done to, like, reinvest into their career. Because it's like a lot of the more successful artists I know are the ones who make money off streaming and shows and shit. And we'll just double down and reinvest into the features from big artists. But then those artists actually fuck with them. And they are able to kind of like build their career from there. And like that to me is like a really like smart way of kind of handling the feature thing. I feel like the best thing that people don't do. I mean, the best thing that people should do is invest in yourself and book and do.

features I understand some of these artists will just get your money and do what they do with the feature but I feel like that's the best thing Because you never know what going through another artist's mind or what he got on his heart He might want to take you with him you found saying You type shit like because if you just hypothetically if you bought a Gucci main feature And you actually get around Gucci main I feel like Gucci man with you I feel like you're gonna try to sign you of course like YTP Fatt, he's a little bit younger than me. He's a little bit younger than me. But as you can see, the Rod Wave thing,

how him and Rod Wave actually got together. And, Ron, I'm not knowing, I don't know the situations, so I'm not speaking of knowing. I'm just, I don't know if YTB Fatt had to pay for a tour show or anything, but I can guarantee he didn't have to pay it over and over. Like, Ron actually got him with him.

They rolling dice in the back. You feel? I'm saying? And that's another artist that actually reached out to me, like YTB Fet, he reached out to me all the time. Every time he comes to Carolina, where you're at? Like, so it's stuff like that that I feel like

all this should do. Like, if you see this guy, if you got the money, or you know somebody that want to help you, pay him for a feature. I don't give a damn if you, pay them just a talk on your shit, just pay the man. And you would never know where it go from paying that person. Yeah. Yeah, you got to invest in yourself. You'll never know.

Yeah, I see it on our Instagram. Sometimes somebody will pay us to post a story, and then I'll see it post it on 10 different accounts they didn't pay but they all saw it on our shit and thought it was real or like real news or whatever and then they all posted and i'm like damn that motherfucker just got his money worse because it didn't just get posted on ours it got posting all this other shit too think about it man you could pay you to post it and as soon as you posted it could have been records posted it then this person posted like so it's like you gotta pay for it but the best thing is

that there's like another platform they like i don't want to make it sound too serious but it's kind of like our And like just the other day somebody paid for a post and then I seen them posted for free And I didn't say nothing but I was just like you stupid motherfuckish Yeah, you know that's how I go to man it's the internet man that's how I go for sure um yeah man I feel like you got a huge career ahead of you that you just got the personality you got the music you got the energy I think people are gonna really want to get behind you and support you and all that shit man I tell everybody if you ain't been to the south come to the south man come to that carolina lifestyle am i have to yeah you got to it's whole Hard to slow down, I ain't gonna lie. It's easy to speed up. It's hard to slow down, but you'll love it, man.

Man, I'm gonna bring Adderall with me. I ain't slowing down. I'm gonna go hard in Carolina. Nah, you ain't wanna go hard. You gotta think about the streets even turn small. The streets turn smaller. It's only going this way and that way. I mean, that way.

Like, it's only two lanes. So you go on and slow your head down. All right, I'll slow it down. You know how y'all drive 90 and all that? Oh, yeah. Not a good idea out there. Nah, hell, nah. Speed limit.

You like, you got a waffle house? In your town? We got Waffle House, hudder house. We got the late night. Then I'll feel comfortable because I spend a lot of time in the Waffle House is throughout my life, you know? Yeah, we've got all that type of stuff, man. Carolina, I'm telling it, man, it's the best thing to go through, man.

For sure. A lot of people just don't want to say it, but they need to tell that shit, like the truth. What I can't say, these new artists, they're saying it, though. Like, boss man, Dilo, they said it. They let them know, like, nigga Carolinas were going on. They show love, get to Carolina, so I'm rocking with them for putting us on. Wait, you said something about doing on the race. Wait, you said something about doing on the radar in Philly,

but then you also have a song called Philadelphia. Like, what's your relationship with Philadelphia? Oh, to be honest, my mom and them from Philly. Oh, my grandma's side. Like my daddy's side's from Carolina when that passed early. But my mama's side, they're from North. And my granddad from Philly, my mom, my aunts, no face, no name, his brothers, all them.

They're Philly guys. Like, they just moved down south. Definitely. Like, auntie still got baby dad is in Philly. You feel like I'm saying? Like you with any of the music coming out of Philly right now? I ain't gonna lie. Scrilla got me turned right down.

I was gonna say y'all should do a sign together, but I feel like you have very different vibes. I ain't gonna lie. You said a little bit more energetic. His shit is a little bit more morbid, but. Nah, but it's a Philly thing. Like I love how Scrilla doing his thing, though he got the people recognize,

right now. You know about Mr. Disrespectful? You know about Mr. Disrespectful? No, I don't know. Oh, man. That's too disrespectful. I don't want to see you get on those songs. Because then you're gonna have to have to

security when you go to Philly if you get on a song of this full. I love, I love Philly, man. Hey, Philly Rough, though. I ain't gonna lie. They about took me down for going up. They're playing with him. Oh, yeah? Yeah, when I did the owner radar and they said, from Philly, you know, Philly.

He ain't from Philly. Oh, shit. They just thought you were there because you recorded it? Yeah, they just went, though. Who is this? He's not from Philly. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah.

Well, hey, man, whatever happens, like, I got, I got you back. I feel like you can be huge the next year, too. Definitely. I'm excited to see the next videos, the next projects. I'm subscribed on YouTube and all that shit. Okay, there, man. Hey, man, let me know what my boy got. I ain't seen Craig in a minute with Craig Mac.

Craig Mac? I mean, not Craig Mac. What's my Mac? Oh, Crip Mac. Yeah, Chris Mac. What Crip Mac? That's a different generation. Now, he locked up.

He got federal gun charges. Yeah, I've seen that. So he might be doing like three, four, five, six. We don't know how many years. We were waiting to find out. But he played guilty on that shit. So he's going to be sitting down for a while, but we still have been talking to him and helping him and all that shit.

already. I got to meet him too. He'd be having me laughing. Oh, yeah. No. Man. Yeah, that's a character right there. I can't wait to see him back in the streets. Yeah, man. But, um, yo, thank you, man. For real, man. I appreciate you for having me up here, dog. My pleasure, man. Thank you. Tribe Dickie. You know how we're going.

Wait, last question. Talk to. Where did the name come from? Are you Dick? Yeah, my last name, Dickie. Oh, okay. Last name, Dickie, real name, Travis. You know what it'll be a good photo is one day if you ever run into Lil Dickie. Man, that's my dream feature, man. I'd be You fuck with him like that, for him.

He's, he, ball. Philadelphia, he rock all that. I fuck with a little dicky, bro. He loves the area of that area. You always see him in his Philadelphia, Jersey, all that type of shit. Like, he played ball. You watch his TV show?

I was used to. I seen the first season. I didn't catch the other season. I feel kind of guilty. I got to watch that shit. I ain't gonna lie. I kind of slow down watching my dog. But yeah, that was the, man,

him and Chris Brown did that song. I was like, damn, my God. I think he, like, regrets that song, Because he feels like it came off a little too racist and shit. I thought it was hilarious. Yeah, it was. I liked Lil Dickie, you feel I'm saying? You're a real rap fan, though.

You got a full knowledge if you know about a little dicky as well, so that's good to know. I listen to the music. I feel like music is refreshing. It's do what it do. Hey, you ever wear a pair of Dickies? Man, I got so many Dickie. I almost was embarrassed and said, but I'm like, man, to be honest, you don't even know. That's my lane.

I'm going in a few. Oh, yeah. In a few months, there's nothing but Dickie. You know the problem with the dickies is that it's like water resistant. So I remember I would wear it in high school and I would go to take I would take a piss and I wouldn't fully shake my shit off. And so you'd feel the pee kind of like coming down your leg a little bit because it's water resistant. So it just rolls down the whole thing. It's so serious.

There's too much info, but that's real shit. That's real shit. I ain't gonna lie to dickies. I'm hoping they sponsor me when I start rocking their shit, man. They got a whole skateboard team and stuff. So they're definitely doing some shit. man. I'm rocking with them so hard. Hell yeah.

You know, oh yeah, shout out to Carolina before I get out the podcast. Shout out of all the Carolina rappers, man. I love Carolina. I'm Carolina to the death of me. For sure. I probably won't never leave. Even if I get rich,

I'm probably moved to another city of Carolina. Hey, man. I can see why they love you because you got a real, you can tell you got a lot of local pride and all that shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely that. Yeah, yeah.

Trab dicky. I appreciate you, man. Appreciate it, man. Much love. Thank you for coming through. Everybody who watched this, turn my man up on Instagram and all streaming.

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