No Jumper - Trinidad James Speaks on Blowing Up, If He Fell Off, His Impact, Joe Budden & More

Episode Date: November 29, 2019

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No Jumper. Coolest podcast on the world. Look at that. I'm out here with Trinidad James. What's cracking? I'm just feeling good, man. Just hanging out, smoking big dope. Big dope.

Interview, Trinidad James at 7 p.m. on a Friday night. It works out. It's a beautiful thing. It's a lot of things you can be doing, but I appreciate you to give you time to the game. It's an interesting story. We've got to tell here. Hey, man, it's things. I enjoy it.

It's been a good seven years. Last month, I made seven years. Seven years of having clout. It was an abrupt thing for you. Hey, I didn't know that clout was a word seven years ago. Right. It's quite getting famous. Clout or Vibor didn't exist in 2011?

Popular. He was just like, oh, that's hot. I remember, actually, I have a friend, Alex from Ain't Nobody Cool. Shout out to him because I remember him sending me your Instagram when you have like 5,000 followers or some shit and being like listening to this song. And, I mean, we both had kind of the same reaction. We're just like, damn, that's a banging song. But also, what the fuck is up with this guy? Right.

Because it was a wild visual. We haven't really seen anything like that. That's good, though. I think that I feel like a person like yourself is the type of guy that's going to see something and just look at it. for what it is, wonder, and accept. Like, you're going to keep moving. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Like, people like you are important for shit like me to pop. Right. Because you're not going to shut it down. No. You're not necessarily going to jump on the fucking bandwagon. I'm open-minded. But, you know what I'm saying? You're not going to shut it down.

And because of people like you, I think, and people like mind it like yourself, that's why I'm here. But to be honest, I mean, you had taken, like, visually that video was so wild that it was very much, like, it's almost like there was a degree that was blurred. of like trolling or putting on a performance that at that time 2011, 2012, whatever, it was still very much like a blurred line where it was kind of like you expected everyone to present themselves very seriously and to depict themselves very seriously. So when you see a guy come out and you're coming out with almost like a comical take on,

you know, like, because, you know, in particular that song where you're just, you're really doing it over the top with the gold and the craziness and the image and stuff. And it's like, this is that, like, the time of, like, riffraff. And I remember when riffraff came out, like, we really couldn't tell, like, how serious this guy is. Okay. I felt like that was, like, part of what, that time period, that was a line that was kind of blurred, that you were breaking through with visuals that were that powerful. Well, um, riffraff is a good guy. Shut out of riffraff.

Or whatever. He makes money. He makes money off of their art. I respect any artist that makes their money off of their art. Um, not to say you're riffraff. Not to say that you were doing riffraff at that time. I mean, this is not about being disrespectful. No, no, not at all.

You know what I'm saying? I'm just very fascinated at that time period. That's why I want to explain it to you. So I can give it to you from the horse's mouth compared to opinion. You know, that should always matter more. You know what I'm saying? The actual fact should always matter more than an opinion. I would say.

You know, I'd rather listen to the truth from you than an opinion from some bitch. Right. Well, I'm in touch talking about how I perceived it when I first saw it. So, yes, comical. It was interesting, you know, the people seen it's comical because, you know, obviously I'm doing my shit and I'm being myself. When you're being yourself, you're not thinking about opinion.

When you're first starting music and doing your first videos and things that go on camera to go out to the world, you know, when you put it on YouTube, it's like the future saying, she'll belong to the streets. You know what I'm saying? It's gone. Or whatever.

It ain't yours no more. So with that being said, for me being the guy that I am and just, I'm just doing me and I put out, that's my fit. I would have wore that fit to my fucking Central Station. Right. I would have what I fit to the club.

Like, that ain't nothing to me. I would have it but to the world to a part of your brain. It was like, damn, this is kind of comical, but I don't know. It's got guns in the video. You know what I'm saying? It was tough to understand. And I feel that that's just because I brought a new formula to this shit. When you bring a new formula of this shit, how can you understand?

You know, a lot of times most of the things that we do is part of somebody else's formula. Right. Podcast, yeah, no jumper is the shit. Appreciate it. But being a podcast is just a part of the thing. the formula of a fucking podcast. That's the formula. Trinidad James, yeah, he's rapping.

But the formula of everything that comes with it at that time was a whole new formula. That changed the game if you think about it, right? Okay, 2012, 2013. The formula being, like, to come out with visuals that are so provocative, so over the top, that people can't help but be fascinated by who exactly this person is. I just brought more entertainment to the rap game. Entertainment, yeah. More entertainment to the rap game.

Everybody was focusing so hard on how good they could rap or whatever. It's like that jock in school who's like, I'm so strong. I can throw so far. Motherfucker, I don't give a fuck. It's easy to forget how transgressive this was at that time, just for you to be coming out and just doing your thing like that. That was like, you know, this is still very much, this is way before Lil Yadi.

This is way before, you know, Ebro has to wrap his mind around a new, like, teenage rapper every week. Facts? I mean, it's a different time. Lil Yaddi is, I look at him as a body as a part of my tribe. Right. Or whatever. And, like, I look at my tribe as, like,

like a dungeon family tribe. I would have like dungeon family is like my OGs. So like, you know, C-Lo, Andre 3000, big boy, that whole shrah. You know, those are the guys. Whereas like, those are the people that, the trajectory that I look at in respect as far as from a style to music.

Some people I just like their music. I would have, like, I would never like, I don't know, any of those other artists, like style. I would have like their, that's when I say style fashion, I'm sorry. I whatever. Like rap style, I mean, whatever. You know what I'm saying? But fashion is what matters the most to me when it comes to a lot of decisions that I make.

So Dungeon family was outlandish because he had Andre. Andre, you can't conform. If you want to come with a wave, you want to create a wave, how can you conform? Right. You know what I'm saying? So I knew that. He certainly, so that was influential on you, like Andre and them in them in particular? I would think, yeah.

Because he put himself out there in such a way that it was like he was constantly making a splash with his clothing and shit. It's like he didn't even have to. Well, you see, being from Atlanta, you talk to a lot of Atlanta dudes. You know what I'm saying? You've talked to a lot of Atlanta dudes. Not young scooter yet. Where's Young Scooter? Oh, the legend, young scooter.

That's my boy. I mean a young scooter in here. Then I can say I've interviewed a lot of Atlanta. That's what you should interview at first. I know. That's what I'm saying. Shout out to you interviewing Thug, though. That was cute.

I love that. That took a lot of hustle. That was good. You was on your shit. That was you working. I see a little bullet sweat. That's what you do. You want to get a Young Thug interview backstage. It's going to be tough to get that in L.A. where he's got all these people he wants to fuck with.

You go to England, way less friends. He's like, oh, maybe I hang out of this guy. That's why people that put up numbers like you because they're not going to fucking England. Strategic. All right. If you got to send Joe Rogan some notes, send Joe Rogan some notes. See, he don't care enough. Ah, he wants to interview Young Thud.

Do you think? That would be amazing. It would be amazing. I don't know. I wish that, if I could wish if I could wish if her anything from Joe Rogan, I wish he was just a bit more hip-hop fluent so that we could have, like, seen the Joe Rogan 6-9 interview.

The Joe Rogan fucking young thug interview would just be, oh, man. But maybe we want to hear Thug talk about something other than rap, because he never really talks about his raps, even when you do talk to him for 20 minutes or two. He's not going to talk to you about the raps. It's too complex. And that's the worst thing about interviewing rappers,

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Even Thug, who's his rapping is so, beyond where it's so fascinating but it's really really really hard to talk to him about that because he creates music in a space where he's not really thinking about what he's doing so it's hard for him to almost talk about specific

songs even because it's such a non-thinking process when he's making the songs like oh basically like I'm just doing me I'm not really trying to explain it I'm gonna say this I don't I wouldn't say that I know Thug more than you I might have known him longer than you just because we're from Atlanta And I got a chance to see him early in his career and bring him out on stage and bring him out of the show that I was doing when he was young and amazing.

Equally as amazing then. I just personally feel that if I had to say any two cents about him is that he knows that what he's doing is in a higher cortex than that has enough time to conversate with somebody. He doesn't know that they're actually there for them, for him, or here for clout. everybody's chasing the cloud. So I don't know if Adam is here for clout or Adam is here because he actually cares. It's true. You know, there's a lot of random white dudes

in England trying to interview young thud. That's true. Keeping it above. You know what I'm saying? So I don't know your intentions. A lot of times your intentions are what decides how he reacts to you. Whatever.

He gave you 20-something minutes. Yeah. So shout out to fucking you for that. But he gave Big Boy an hour. He's black. I mean, Big Boy deserves all respect. He's old. I can't question that all.

You said it like he wasn't supposed to get the fucking for anybody. I mean, it's like, motherfucker. How does that? Yeah, ma'am, man. I'll get bit more any day. I feel like he gave you, like, I'm like, bro, I feel like he gave you something that you deserve because anybody else,

I don't think they deserved it. He tried to talk to him for it. He didn't hold back at all. I don't feel like a thug is really capable of holding back when he talks, which is why when he started talking about Lohnaz-X, there was just no degree to which it felt like he had been media trained at all. He had to just spill exactly what he thought. thought at that moment. What do you think that

with Lil Nas X, right? Yeah. What do you think that you need to be media trained about about him about, like for your personal opinion? Well, I mean, Thug... Because he's gay? Well, no, because Thug said, I don't think he should have came out because it's going to open up so many problems for him, blah, blah, blah. And if you paid attention to what he was saying, it was a relatively nuanced take that he was basically, you know...

It wasn't the time to come out. He was being cautious on his Biaf saying, you know, him coming out. It's going to open him up to so much criticism, so much, right, right? Which is kind of understandable opinion. But, you know, obviously the media then runs with it and says Young Thug says that little not should not have came out of a closet. Is that what they did?

A little bit of that. So that's... But that's kind of funny because, I mean, number one, thug doesn't give a fuck. And number two, like, anybody who was thinking about how the media was going to spin what they were saying in that moment would have definitely said what he said way differently. But he's not thinking about how they're going to... And y'all in England. And we're in England,

eating Nando's. Come on, man. Nando's chicken's the ship. Formerly known as Chickenland. So, yeah, you're just coming on. just exploded in a ridiculous way. Do you feel like you're, I mean, you were one of the first to really, like, utilize YouTube and shit to blow up at that time. I just, I just, uh, I had some choice words. I just said at Billboard today. I love them. I whatever, but, you know, for me, I got to, I live by respect. I read the book, um, it's an art and science of respect. That's by Jay Prince, um, senior. Oh, yeah. And I read that whole book. And, um, you know, that book

allowed me to understand that in any aspect of life, no matter how. How, you know, much money is involved because I know that money is most people's God out here, that you can't lose that essence of respect. So when it comes to respect, I was less like, okay, man, all go everything is the shit, right? Right. That's what the media is saying. You're talking about even before it popped off or you're talking about when you're in that moment? In the moment. Okay.

In the moment, right? You know, we drop it on World Star. It goes viral. The term viral never really existed in hip-hip. term of the top. You know what I'm saying? So with Billboard, because that's what I was talking about. You know, today they said, you know, everybody's been dropping their decade. We're going in 2020. I call it a division year. So they're really like the top things of the 10 years that influence this, that, you know what I'm saying? And and I'm not going to say I hate list.

I, some lists make me wonder why. And because I work in the media world also, you know, I know that it's different types of people that are. putting these lists together. And sometimes when I see certain lists, I wonder what group of people in that particular building put this list together. Because that list from them is not wrong from their opinion, but how many cultures do they touch when they leave that building to make that decision when they're in that fucking building? And that is what upset me to a certain extent with the list that they put together for like songs that shifted the decade. Because I know, no matter what the list says, because like I said to them, I don't depend on opinions to feed my family.

I know that all or everything changed the whole perspective of how hip hop works from 2013 onwards and helped open that door to make hip hop the number one genre because I'm just going off facts. I'm not going off of my exaggerated opinion of what I think I'm the shit and you motherfuck suck. No, I'm going off numbers and facts. in 2011 2012 hip hop was not the number one genre it was the shit

but it wasn't the number one genre uh by the time that Domingo's drop flip flop drop top that song hip hop moved in the number one genre two years ago now but also a lot of that has to do with the fact that the streams

all like if you were actually able to at that time count every dat piff stream, every YouTube stream all this shit was not being counted towards the way that hip-hop was being calculated so you had hip-hop being listened to largely in ways that weren't being accounted

for. Now you have Lilal Nizax having the biggest fucking song and it's all accounted for I mean bad and bougie was like one of the first songs that really benefited from that because it was being streamed endlessly on YouTube. Your situation... No, no, no, no, my point I'm saying that to you. But it would be a lot easier to quantify the success

of all-go-de-every thing or whatever if it had came out during the streaming era because then the stats would have been really quantified. No, no, no, no. From a number perspective, yes, I'm just speaking from the standpoint of opening the door to get Domingos to that place so that these people can come through the door and do their thing and get those number one records and hip-hop be the number one genre. I'm just saying that all go, everything is one of those key pieces that helped.

And it crossed over into Saturday Live. It crossed over and it. It was one of the first songs where people actually used the term viral. Nobody ever said the word viral for any niggas song that came out in 2012. Except Furry dropped work, the original. I didn't go viral. That was a hard-ass video. I watched it.

I liked it. I liked it the remix because I liked this video for the first one. If I didn't like the video, I wouldn't have the remix. And they brought me out. But I wouldn't have because I like, I actually pay attention. I actually give a fuck about the people who I work with. That's why I work for many people. Or whatever, because you got to actually be doing something for the right reasons.

I don't be chasing Cloud. I don't got to chase Cloud. I was what niggas chased before niggas was chasing it. When you start chasing Cloud? I'm still chasing Cloud. I think so. What kind of cloud do you want,

I mean, every interview I'm trying to get is, I'm trying to make a splash, trying to get that real conversation that everybody wants to hear, so it'll blow up on the internet, blah, blah, I mean, how am I not chasing a cloud? Is that good interviewing? You know, but it is what it is.

I mean, think about it. Like, there's so many people that have made amazing careers out of basically just being tapped in basically being around everybody they're always there so they're just they come to mind I know so many people have made millions of dollars off basically just being in the right place

and they were in the right place because these motherfuckers go everywhere and they're backstage all the fucking time I don't got it in me what's got I don't either I don't you know what it's so crazy that you say that and you know who I got to applaud for being a person that was just everywhere at the right time

rich the kid very true I think that rich the kid's career is that successful and he's an incredible businessman man, because in the beginning when he didn't know what the fuck he was doing, and I don't know if he didn't know what the fuck he was doing when he was doing it because I didn't actually know him. But I'm assuming, except if I'm wrong, I could be wrong. Or whatever, Rich is a good kid.

Or whatever, we could talk about it. But I feel that the one thing I always say, like, this niggas hustle is amazing. This nigger isn't everybody's IG story. How are you in seven IG stories a week in different states? You're a bad motherfucker. Right. Or whatever, you know what I'm saying? And some people look at it as like, this motherfucker thirsty.

He, he blood crips, this. that, that, and I'm looking at like, man, this motherfucker hustling. Right. So I feel what you're coming from, because I look at a lot of motherfuckers be slimy. They slime here, slime there, slime here, slime there. I whatever. But it's one way when you're sliming and another way when you're hustling. I respect when you're hustling.

When you're slimy, you ain't shit. And you're going to end up getting caught up on that gang changing or whatever you got going on. You know what I'm saying? It'd be happening out here. Right. Yeah. No, I feel you for you for sure. But you want to know something that I noticed is that some random as YouTube channel put out a video

like a month or two ago, like what really happened to Trinity that James? You seen that? That shit got a lot of views. Half a million views. I said, random-ass channel. I'm like, man,

people are still like really curious about you. Like, if that video just had a million views from some random ass channel, that's... Random channel, dude, I've seen that too. I watched it because I was like,

shit, I want to know what happened to me. How did you feel watching it? It was fucking... Because they create a narrative. Yeah, they even used newer clips from this year too. So I was like, this ain't old. This is newer. Right.

Or whatever you know. And what I realize is that either you're controlling the narrative or the narrative is controlling you. And what I mean by that, that's basically black and white. But what I mean by that is that you're going to have more people with an opinion of you than the actual true fact of what you're trying to get across. Just because that's how this shit is set up, bro. You know what I'm saying? Like, why would I be mad at some people trying to tell other people what happened to me? because I got to look at the person that listens to them

about what happened to be compared to you can go to my Instagram and see what the fuck I'm doing every day because every day I drop a daily quote of life, this, that. You know what I'm doing a million things every day? So the fact that you will go to another motherfucker to get drugs when you live right next door

to the drug man, I don't know what to say about you. So you're saying you're the drug man? No, you're the drug man. No, I'm not. You're the drug, man. You want some drugs, though? No, we got no plugs in there. Laura, maybe.

I don't know, Laura. Oh, B, my nigga Laura got the plug. I don't know. But yeah, how do you feel about them? Like, when they make it this, like, crucial, important crux in your career, this anti-New York rant is how it was basically painted. Do you agree with that narrative that that was such a pivotal moment? or is that sort of like a timing thing that just happened?

I think it's a bit of both. You know, that New York situation was important. Man, that was important. Because that New York situation, you got to understand, I'm a student of everything, not just the game. I'm a student of my enemies. I'm a student of my friends.

I'm a student of how my enemies dress, eat, walk, talk. I'm a student of everything, bro. So to be a great student of other things and other people, I feel that you got to be a great student of yourself. So when I went back and looked at that New York situation, I look at that as like, oh, damn, y'all got to just see an angry black man talking this shit. And you get to learn that if you allow social media

to tell your narrative, like I talked about just to say that earlier a second ago, or whatever, then you fucked. But in that moment, your narrative is like this out of control train because social media has just like seizes

upon this one moment. Did you watch the whole thing? The video? Yeah. Because it's like that moment like they social media is so into taking that one thing

and particularly like the booing thing. Like with the Drake thing we saw this like the other day is that like he gets booed he gets booed at a little bit that's not even, that's what I'm saying. You think there's more people booing than not happy?

I don't think so. Come on. Come on, Adam. If you have an audience that's like five or 10% booing, it's going to sound like fucking booing. If I'm filming a Snapchat and there's one guy booing right next to me. Is that it's going to sound like 7,000? And they can fake it.

You remember the MGK thing where they edited and fake booing? Come on, bro. But people do this and they create narratives. And it's like, you know, people are really like with you, it might have worked better than the Drake one. But it's like, you know, people will use that one little nugget to really paint the picture. that nugget, the reason why that nugget worked against me. I was going to say it seemed like it worked.

But that nugget worked against me. Okay. Because I allowed it to work against me. I didn't realize that it's like, that ain't nothing. I would ever like, New York fucking love me. New York fucking love me. Guaranteed facts. Kill me right now if I'm lying.

New York City love turning that James. That's a guaranteed. fact. Rocky on stage. Guaranteed fact. From Santos Playhouse to right now doing my thing at Complex. When I walk the streets in New York because I'm really in these streets. Right. I'm really out. And I didn't know

like I'm in everybody hood. No, I'm just in the streets. Period. Right. If I need to be there, I'm there. I'm there when you don't even know I'm there. Because I'm out of the way putting numbers on the board. You have the bodega getting a sandwich, Trinidad James is in back. I'm going to be there. He's there. I already got my bacon and egg cheese. I'm looking at you from the back. By the naked juices. Security camera.

Come on. Look at that. Exactly. So it's like, bro, to sum it up at the end of the day, man, like I said, I paid attention to that video. And I realized that, first of all, because I know me, my energy was off on that stage. And that's why I ended up apologizing. I think I put out an apology video to New York City because when you actually really do love somebody, you will apologize to them because they actually matter to you or whatever, not because I'm scared or not. None of those other narratives is because I actually love you

is why I apologize. If I didn't love you, care down about you, I don't give a fuck what you think, my nigga. I don't. See me. See me.

I'm still alive, ain't I? See me. Nobody was that mad about it. It's also what I am saying and I had to learn that because I didn't come from music. You hadn't been through a controversy so that probably felt like

the end of the world at that moment, right? I was like, why is the place that I love the most? We just destroyed this. whole 20, 13 year fucking New York up. I'm shopping with everybody, dropping thousands here at this killing this show, selling that out,

SOB, Santos Playhouse, this, that, that, and the other, or whatever. And then, Christmas, we fall out? When you blow up that fast, people are very eager to take you out. And I had to learn that. You got to understand. I come into the game from a different element. I didn't come in like these other guys, they'd be

rapping their whole life, and yes, I made it. No, I came in and made it. And I'm not ever going to take that back. I'm not ever going to feel like I didn't deserve it or whatever. Like, nah, dog, I came in and did what the fuck I needed to do because I was looking at what y'all niggas was doing wrong. And I'm going to always look at it that way because I'm paying attention to the game. I'm not paying attention to your opinion. Right. Straight up, my nigga. But it's love, though. It's love. I mean, look at my hat. I can't be bad. Come on.

I tried to hold it together. So Greedaw's got some ill pauses in his interview with me too. What do you do? It's just like crazy pauses. I hope we can get out on good behavior. I mean, he's got 20 years. He just dropped the Apple and Kenny, didn't he? They did just drop a project, yeah. It's probably like one night in the studio, I'm gonna assume. It's 35 minutes, so, and it's a feature, so I would imagine this is like all the verses that he knocked out with Kenny right quick.

Grito could definitely do a 35 minute project in a night. He's a legend, bro. I didn't even know. I was so late to the party. Oh really? I was late to the fucking party. Nobody told me. Crazy. Well, I lied.

I lied. My good friend. good friend. He does a brand. Actually, I'm wearing a brand. It's called Brownstone. Jack his heart. He ain't out yet. But he told him, he fucking, he doesn't worship Grito, but he, God damn he plays that do his music a lot. And I was like, what the fuck is this

0-3 Grito shit? And I didn't, I usually kind of like would take a little bit what he says and like go listen to my, you know, like artists do this. Like, an artist that hear you say something like, oh, this artist is good, but they won't acknowledge it in front of your face. And then they're going to private and listen to that artist. Like, oh, shit. And I didn't do that with O-3.

3 Grito and I wish I did because he is talented. Right. That's tough. People are always telling you to listen to a new shit. And it's like if you like, it's just tough to like really listen to that much new shit and really care. I mean, you got you got to get your shit good. You know what I'm saying? Like I don't got time to just be listening to everybody new shit.

Right. I'm happy for you. That's cute. That's you good. My shit got to be good if I want to continue to feed my family. Don't you feel like to a certain extent if something's really good, it'll get to a certain level of a heel that you'll just find out about it. Right.

That's how I feel about a lot of news. I do my things in threes. That's how I do it. What? In threes. So it's like if Adam tells me, oh, you should listen to Melly's new album. You know, why ain't it? Melly's new album.

Right. Or whatever. I'd be like, okay, sure, Adam. And then if I go maybe two days later, and then my man's at Complex, Jose was like, hey, well, melly album hard. Oh, okay, cool. You know what I get to that third when I go to Atlanta and then I hollered my boy like Chris Newton who does like this brand and shit.

I would have to be like, oh shit, now I need to listen. That's how I do my things in three is where people should. It's funny how the weirdest memes, because like I literally saw a tweet of somebody screen recording the first song on Melly's new album, which I have not listened to yet. And great guy, Free Melly, et cetera. But he recorded this one part of the song where Melly is rapping so high-pitched. It sounds insane. You don't like it.

Is that what I mean? Tell me the truth. Tell the truth, Adam. I'm not going to say I don't like it. But it was so extreme that I was definitely like blown away. And the tweet was this guy saying like Melly deserves the death penalty for rapping like this, which is pretty fucked up. Can I give you a Woody right now? Pause.

Can I give you a Woody right now? Sure. 645 AR. What's that? That's an artist. That's a artist I should check out. Yes. Oh, okay.

That's going to change your life. I'll do that. It's going to change your whole. Yeah. Is it more high-pitched than the Wyoming? It's going to change. Change your whole motherfucker. That cute shit that Melly did, that's cute.

Right. Listen to 645 AR. The baby voice is the new wave. Cardi did that a little bit. I like Cardi. Cardi is, I don't even know how to explain Cardi. We still haven't seen the baby voice thing get ushered in, blown out to the point. You know, it's like country rap had its moment this year.

Baby voice rap maybe in 2020. I'm, Baby voice. But we all know that this is actually like a thing. No, it is. I mean, you're going to tell the truth. tuning their, or pitching their shit up so that it sounds all crazy and shit. It's like, kind of, it's a thing.

Let this kids create. No, I'm done. That's why I know you are, but I'm speaking, I'm not even, I'm just looking at you because you're in front of me, but, you know what I'm talking to all the motherfuckers are looking at, you know, interviews or whatever, you know what I'm saying? It's like, oh, whoever going to look at this, you know, like, give the motherfucker a chance. You know what I'm saying? First of all, he in jail and released this.

He might have wanted to change that part himself if he was out and could have got to a studio, like, oh, let me fix that part. You know, Kanye worked on his album all the way to the, the motherfucker is out and he's still working on the motherfucker on the album, fixing shit. You know what I'm saying? But I mean, Melly has had so many weird lyrical moments. Like, if you listen to his other

album. The last one before this one? That one part where he goes, that's the way she's sandwiched and dig. And he makes, like, the most ridiculous. Weird noises for dickens ever. And I'm just listening to this. You know all about porno noises. Porno noises are fucking horrible. Don't be mad at fucking Melly because you didn't like his porno noise.

He's not Rico Strong. They get relaxed. He's Rico Strong. That's that porn guy you know? Yeah. Oh, okay. You don't know Mr. Marcus? Oh, no, you know him, yeah. Okay, I'm about to say.

I fuck with Trey Schlongs. I just want to throw that out there. Pause, pause, pause. Oh, I'm not saying. You're throwing a lot right now, motherfucker, goddard. I was thinking I should do an interview with Trey Schlons. Like, I think people will watch it just because his name is Trey Shlongs. Is that the dude?

He might be. I'm not armed and shit. I fuck with a Jason. God damn. I'm already forgetting his name. Jason Love. White guy? He's a giant black dude with his tattoos.

I know. Yeah, he's pretty cool. But actually, I introduced Trippy to him at a party one time, and I was like, this is my homie, Jason, the porn star, you got a huge dick. And Trippie was just like, whoa, he was just like, Adam, you are so fucking gay. What the fuck? He, like, couldn't even look at me.

He was like, how dare you? It's too much for him. Pause. I'm like a toddler of the creator type. I'm like, we're making gay jokes and shit. No, but not you wouldn't fuck boyfriends, but you would make the joke. But it turns out that he's actually gay. But, I mean, for me,

But can we prove that Tyler the creator is gay? I mean, at this point. He's the person that will troll you all the way because you can't prove anything. But what was this quote that they pulled from the GQ interview? Yeah, he's like, I like girls. I just can't stop fucking their brothers. That was a bar.

That was a bar for him. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's a bar for him because that's what he does. I can't, you can't, you never seen him kiss a boy. Right. You ain't never seen him hold a boy's hand. That's an amazing part.

You know what I'm saying? So it's like, sir, what the fuck you got going on? Are you serious? You're not? Whatever? we're going to laugh at your jokes. Everybody else getting caught up with everything they do. So whatever he is doing, he's keeping a so goddamn low kid.

It's not like we're hearing rumors about him dating a bunch of chicks either. He's not. I don't know one girl that said they fuck the title of credit. He probably fucked a million girls. There's a clip of him of like a Twitter, like a little fucking vine type clip of him sucking a titty. It is the funniest thing ever, bro. Is it amazing? He just like, look at this.

And she has the nicest tits. And he's just, well, that means he probably fucks a lot of girls. If you just walk up to a random girl in this type of culture and suck her tit. I mean, even a gay dude, it's like it. Yes, you're right. I'm not going to be that guy.

It just goes against everything that Adam says. You're right. Yes. But, I mean, when you came out in the game, it was still very much the era. Like, motherfuckers ain't seen Thug and Rocky wearing dresses yet. So it's like things had not broken. Has Rock and wore a dress?

I mean, he had that long shirt that they called the dress. Oh, okay. All right, cool. Thug. Wait did you see my next outfit? Yeah, you got dresses on deck? Nah. But it's pretty good.

You feeling Farrell wearing that long ass fucking yellow dress on the cover of fucking Vogue or whatever that was. Well, is it a dress or is it a big jacket? It was too much for me. That's all I know. All right. Well, I mean, too much for me feels like you just gave up on fashion. I don't know, Adam. I never got into it. This is like our main central thing that we got to talk about. You got to convince me that I should actually like become more interesting in fashion. But I think that I should convince you to wear what's comfortable for you. Well, I don't think I want you to, I don't think that I don't want to see Adam in the, in the young thug dress. You know what I don't want to see Adam in the Farrell coat dress.

No. Per se. You know, I want to see Adam and what makes him feel comfortable. We brought you a gift too. But,

we brought you more gifts than that. But, you know, I want to see you doing what you do. You know what I'm saying? We brought you a hoodie. Because we know that Adam

like black hoodies. You know what I'm saying? Thoughtful gifts. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's what you do. Now, you're already open-minded. Wow.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you know what's up? Or whatever? You know what I'm saying? Like, Doug ain't fin to explain to you why he got a gun under his dress?

I'm just trying to build myself up to the point where I could rock a leather. Pants? I want to see you in leather pants. Yeah. Leather pants. You should take your girl out in leather pants. Tell me if you agree with this. I think the most important parts of fashion are being skinny, wearing sunglasses, and smoking cigarettes.

Nah, the first one's confidence. Then the second was being skinny. That's what kind of throws it off because everybody would like, you got people with confidence. But then people only appreciate the skinny fucking models. It's unfortunate. Do you put thought into that? Do you have to control where you eat and stuff so you're going to get all fat? Can't be fashionable?

I've been fat before. Yeah. You know what I didn't give a fuck? You thought? When I was fat, I feel like Gucci Man. I felt proud. That's a certain type of fat right there. Because in Atlanta, when you got a belly, that's a money belly.

That's a drank belly. Drink belly, money belly, but drink costs. Drink costs. If you have a drank belly, then you definitely got some money. Exactly. Because drink motherfucking cost. You know that? Ain't no broke leanheds.

Exactly. You know what you, if you're just sipping a little bit at your homeboy lean, you're going to have a little belly. But you've got a big belly. That means you're sipping a big cup. That means that you got bread. Lean is not a broke man's drug. Have you ever done it?

Oh, yeah. You stop? Ah, not. Oh, it wasn't a thing. You just tried it. Yeah, I mean, I've done it a whole bunch of times, but I've never been the type of person that's, like, going to do a drug. Well, you say got an addictive nature, so I'm not sure you're going to dig into.

But I'm not going to, like, wake up, no matter what drug it is, I'm not going to wake up the next day and do it. So I've never really been able to, like, get into, like, that mentality. You never did coke two days in a row? I'm just asking. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're right. This is your show.

Drinking and doing coke definitely had like a couple of two or three days. I'm about to say, Adam, you're like a two, three-air guy. Like, you'll get it in. It isn't bad? Like, if you got the right intake for it, you can do that. When it got bad for me and I had to stop partying, that was when I was drinking, doing coke and taking Zanz. That's tough. That's tough.

The Zans is what probably took you. The Zans of alcohol is what took you over. You want to blow your life up. That's a good way. I never really had any, like, big fallout from it or anything, but it just started to, like, realize. What's the most money you ever made during that time of taking those three drugs at the most time? At the same time. I was just spending money during that.

Oh, you never had it, like, like, good business plays? No, I mean, I was doing interviews and shit, but in retrospect, I mean, I definitely wasn't doing as many interviews as I am now. I wasn't performing on the level that I am now, you know? So you like the way you perform better on two drugs compared to three? It's all about efficiency. Two drugs. No, I'm just on push now. Okay.

What drugs do you want? I like weed always. Yeah. What other drugs do I do? Do I do other drugs? No, I've been good, man. I've been clean, bro. Yeah.

I drink, oh, yeah. Whiskey. I mean, but this is whiskey. This makers, by the way. You know, alcohol is a real thing, man. Alcohol could take you down. You know what I'm saying? We love alcohol.

Right. You know, me and my friends, like, we drink a lot. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't have a problem. I never really got there with drinking. For real? Yeah, I never got that crazy with it. Why not?

They never threatened my livelihood. Okay. Well, no, drinking never threatened my livelihood. That might think in your life is it. No, but I'm on the mega, mega, mega fitness grind right now. Oh, you've been in the jazz? I'm really trying to, like, do something right now. So for me, it's like, partying is not even an option right now.

I'm going hard. Okay. Okay. It's kind of weird. It's kind of sad, you know. I'm just not, I'm like 100% focus. That's how I feel like I have to be. How are you looking?

No, not even. Okay. No pack, but it's other way. All right. Well, you know, exercise starts with your core, man. Yeah. So get your core right. Okay, so tell me about fashion.

Tell me why it's good. to spend so much goddamn money on drip? I think that people spend money on drip because it's an easy addictive drug. It's an easy drug. You know, fat, you don't realize that you're addicted to it. To you, like, damn, I just spent a million dollars

in shoes and clothes. What the fuck? A million. You know what I'm saying? Like, what the fuck? Whatever, but you got to also look at the reason why you spent it. And that's when you know if you're, well,

the addiction is just you're addicted. You know, when you look how much money you spend compared to, like, what you got going on, when you look at your responsibility and look at things that you should be doing with your money, and then you look at what you spent, and you look at the clothes that you have, and you look at like, damn,

when I wear any of these things in my wardrobe again? What am I doing with these clothes? Did I give it away? Did I just rock it once and put it up? Like, do I actually give a fuck about fashion? It seems like the smartest way to go about it, from my perspective, would be to spend money on clothes, but then, like, constantly be, like, trading those clothes

or selling those clothes to get different clothes because realistically, if you get, like, a dope-ass jacket, you're going to wear it, like, a couple times, and then you're done, right? Well, it's according to who you are. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to be one of those guys that come on the show

and tell you like, oh, I'm only wearing one thing one time, you know what I'm saying? But as a rapper, I mean, you know, some people do that. Like, cool-ass jacket, but realistically, if you wear it in one music video, you're never wearing it in a music video again. You could maybe wear it like a round after,

but it just loses so much best. But then it has value to somebody else because they are not the rapper who just wore it in a music video. No, so what you said, like, people should be buying and trading in this stuff, but they don't. Because first of all, a lot of people that come into the rap game, They just buy clothes because they got money.

They're not into clothes. Right. So they don't even know what the fuck to do with the clothes. They don't even know what they spend in their money on. They'll spend $3,000 on the hoodie, the socks, the jeans, and the that damn hat. You know what I'm saying? Like when it's a piece. Right.

You know, just buy the $3,000 jacket. Buy the $500 jeans. Buy the $400 shoes. Buy the $200 hat. You know what I'm saying? Bought of $100 tea. And you're good. Jesus.

You know, compared to buying the $3,000 hoodie, the $3,000. pants, $3,000 shoes. I'm not mad, you, but he's not rocking on, maybe. Shut up, Adam. You're being, come on, bro. I'm in such a blessed position because I just get new stuff all the time. But you see, the whole thing about fashion is a challenge. Fashion is a decision also.

That's the first thing about fashion, my brother. When you want to do fashion, you got to make the decision, like, are you going to be dedicated to the drip? Or you're just going to do what your money tells you to do? Right. Once again, you control the narrative or the narrative controlling you. That shit applies to all this shit, my niggas.

straight up or whatever you gotta you gotta figure out who you are like some people need a record label right some people don't yeah you know what I'm saying like dog think about this Adam you are a realist dog seven years ago if whoever would a drop dog or everything where would they be seven years from now right where would they be you wouldn't be talking to them no on average you'd be talking about them to another young rapper are you are you amazed by that fact that you've been able to persevere through Fuck no, motherfucker I work for it, Adam. I earned this shit. I earned this spot right here.

No jumper. Right. Because I respect your platform. You do have one of the top podcasts in this motherfucker. Thank you. I'm probably, admit, what the fuck going on? I'm not like these other motherfuckers. Come on, man, look at my hat.

Look at my jacket. Right. Come on, man. It didn't occur to you that the hat is like a different type of red than the jacket. No, because my socks is a same. Oh. Come on, motherfucker. Come on.

I do this shit. Look at these shoes. Let's see the shoes again. God damn. Come on, man. That's a gold. What are those? Should I get on the table?

What should I do? Wow. Look at those. Jeez. Look at that. And so, like, people are going to see this part of the interview and be like, you see, he won't be doing that motherfucker be wild. They're going to be on drugs.

He's on drugs. Some other shit or whatever. So this is how this world usually works. I'm going to give it to you right now, Adam. Right now. This is how the world works. Yeah. Rap radar motherfuckers in here and everything too.

Oh, yeah. He's already putting it out there. All these things are seeing the shit. Laura in here, too. That's a real nigga. I mean, I thought Laura was the whiteest woman in America. I was like, this motherfucker Adam

to move the up. He got a white bitch in here, calculating shit. Woo-da-woop-da-woop-to-wooop-to-woo. Laura came through here. Real black lips. Real black thighs. Let's go.

Long black hair. Let's go, bitch. Go, Adam. Shout out to you for that. Hey, Alicia ain't asking her about her grooming like T.K. Kirkland did this other day? T.K. K. K. K.

Yeah. You got a Washington. You got a little frisky. It'd be like that. So now, this. how this fashion shit works. A motherfucker's seen me on this table next to Adam 22, right? And they'd be like,

damn, that nigger on that weird shit again, there he go. But then wear that ass shoes, and weird ass platforms on it, on some weird-ass gay shit, right? That's right now in this current 2019, whenever you drop this, I don't know when you're going to drop this, you're going to drop when you want to. Let's say it came out in December, right? So December, I'll be gay. December

I'll be platform, man. December, I'll be high sock, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, a nigga, cowboy hat, wear that as Trinidad. usually how it works in my industry by June-ish, let's say my birthday. My birthday is September 24th. By September 24th, your favorite rappers will be wearing something like close to this. And then the consumer will be eating it up, and that's the wave. But you couldn't take it from Trinidad, just like you couldn't take New York from Trinidad.

Because you've already moved on. It's a weird thing. It's like people like to receive the message. from the right messenger. I heard Charlemagne say this a long time ago. It's like, eh, right message,

wrong messenger. And I had to respect that. You know what I'm saying? That's coming from a grown black-ass man. I said, all right, cool. And I had to learn, that's what this game is all about, Adam,

is that figuring out when to tell your message at the right time. Because a lot of times you will say something, but the people don't want to hear from you. You know what I'm saying?

Like, they got mad at you for asking Aaron Clark, Aaron Carter, be a blood. God damn, Adam can't ask Aaron Carter be a blood? The answer was not exactly no either, so we really don't know. Yeah, I just want to know if Aaron Carter's a blood. My nigga G. Weeder, free G. We would like to know if he's a blood. Right. There's a nation of bloods who want to know.

It's a lot of bloods in L.A. We are in L.A. We are in L.A. is one of them. Yeah, of I would just like to know if Aaron Carter is like, who's he wet? Yeah. All the homies would like to know for a se. It's supposed to have O.G., right? Yeah, I was like to show him of a big U, by the way. No, yeah. So, big you. Big you should come and do no jumper. Big you should come and do no jumper. That would be fire.

Yeah. You got the long-lived nip hat on, too. You see that? B.H. gave me that. You've come to Crenshaw, man. You've been to Crenshaw? Generally, my drive-through. My ride on the highway real quick.

Adam, bro, I promise you, bro. It's important, man. It's important for you to always be who you are, man. Right. That's why when B.H tried to get me rid of the blue rag, I was like, I think that's pushing it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I appreciate that, man. You got to give that perspective. of like always stay you man You gotta remember where you are That's why I'm not gonna change up That's why I can't go get a chain You think? Boy, look

Your girlfriend to make you get a chain I listen to you Nah, she don't like that shit either I got the most low-key, humble girl How is that possible? She's in the porn world How? How do you get that blessed?

I don't know All right. She's like me I gotta try to convince her They're doing that shit for herself She got the same junkie-ass civic That she'd been to have forever Oh, buy our bands Adam

I know right You got the money? There's no jumper weed back here? You're a drug dealer? Ask your local dispensary. Yes, I am a drug dealer. No, but, I mean, man, she just, I try to convince her. I bought her, like, design her shoes and shit.

She seemed like she don't know what the fuck to do with them. She's just, I'm not her. Yes, I feel that. You know? I feel that. Sometimes, you know, you got a coach. You got a buying coach. What's the craziest shit you ever did for the drip, though?

Have you ever gone into, like, crazy situations because your bag wasn't right, but you need to flex? Man, I wish I had a good, like, Like just a weird story for you, bro, but I ain't gonna lie, man. I'm a pretty, I make sure that I have money to buy drip. Whatever, I've always made sure that I have enough money for drip. Drip has always made more to me than some family members. Really? Big facts.

You must not really care about them family members that much. I mean, some family members ain't shit. Right. No, that's fair. You know what I'm saying? Your family's the one you choose sometimes. Tight-knit little family. So, you know, no, but there's people on my mom-side family.

You don't fuck with it. Or a cousin who don't fuck with you. Oh, yeah, I have a girl cousin who I didn't like when I was like four, like as far back as I can remember, I fucking hated her and I still hated to this day. And every time they tell me about something that she did that's fucked up, I'm like, yeah. I've been telling you since I was a little fucking kid. Yeah. I was a child. That bitch one shit.

I would have killed her myself if I could get away with it. Is that what you would have said? I mean, murder is a lot. That's a little bit too much. I don't know how they do it in Atlanta. Where you from originally, man? I rouse at Boston, New Hampshire. But Boston?

Boston is a gloomy place, man. How did you get out of it? No, it's a good... Don't fucking say, no, Adam! That motherfucker doesn't even... The sun don't even shine in Boston. It does. You don't have a picture of you

with the sun shining in Boston. Oh, I certainly do. Yeah, right. You never took a picture outside. You never took a picture outside. So many great memories in Boston. It's bad lighting outside. You know, it's like...

It's better lighting in your house than outside. It's like a fucking eight-hour drive from Atlanta. It's not like it's like opposite sides of the fucking universe, bro. I remember going to Atlanta when I was like 18. I remember I went to the mall. Which mall? I don't know. Big ass mall.

But I went there and I got like a peanut butter and jelly smoothie for some reason at the mall. That's the white boy shit. I know. I'm saying. That's why I'm saying. Is that the most Atlanta thing? You came to Atlanta 18 and bought a fucking smoothie, nigga? And I walked out the door.

You didn't go to American deli? Welcome to the A. Jimpy's mom. I love Adam. I've had some pretty good Atlanta experiences. We did vlogs with Shoreline out there. We went to some, fuck, what was that show? I'm on here?

Yeah, we went out there. They're fire. They're fucking fire. That's that good drug dealing music, yeah. I love groups of people rapping. I love that. I love when you could get a group of motherfuckers working together with the same accord. Man, that's not easy, bro.

Pop and exorcies and just hanging out in the studio together. Is that the thing? I mean, that's what they rap about a lot. I'm like, damn, that's hard. That's tough. I never took an E-Pill or a Molly in my life and did not have. You never took a Molly? No, no, no, no, I have.

but the intent was always 100% to just fuck. Okay. Or hang out of a girl. Your dick never got soft on the Molly? Oh, I know, yeah. Yeah, I was about to say, that's why I stopped doing that shit. You need some nursing. That's why I stopped doing that shit.

I haven't done that shit. I don't drive you. I was like, what the fuck? I was like, I'm supposed to have hard dick at all times with Molly. What the fuck? And you know what's crazy now is I'm realizing there's all kinds of people out there doing Seattleas, Viagra? I never did one.

Doug, the fact that 20-year-olds do Sealus is fucking crazy. The fact that that's a part of your, like, party pack? Like, this is the last pill in your party pack? Alice, y'all motherfuckers is nasty. I don't know how dangerous it is, but it seems like a bad idea. Ooh, bitch. That's, see, Alice being your last

pill in the pack of pills to pop? You're a bad motherfucker boy. I think, I'm pretty sure it makes your heart rate go up. So I'm pretty sure that doing it at the same time as like eat your coke and shit is like a really bad idea. Well, you see, I like a lot of motherfuckers you realize. Like, a lot of them 20 years, did you be interviewing and shit? Yeah.

Or whatever, like. They're on 18 perks. Yeah, they don't do coke. yeah they don't do coke like whoever's doing coke that's black that's like being in the closet they be hiding that they're going to hide they ain't going to tell you that

they do the coke unless you play a fly maybe Grito might put a lot I think he put a line in his new thing or whatever like you got to test it he was like I put the coke in my know I got to test that my fucking you know I can say this because Grito is locked away right now but Grito has done a heroic amount of cocaine in his life time he's

he's been known to dabble but I know that's what funny is like Grito used to always be Quote tweeting, like, random-ass hood chicks who'd be, like, quoting grito lyrics and being like, oh, my God, this motherfucker really talking about throwing cocaine. And he would just be schooling him, like, how dare you? You ain't lived my life. I love that. I love that. I love a black man who knows what he's talking about.

Grito's the best. But you get different gritos because you could get a lean grito or you could get a Coke grito. And it's, like, different fucking sides of the planet. Well, I mean, I think that's what the beauty in drug doing. You know, like, drug doing is an art. Right. You know, I don't, you know, I don't talk to junk. No, I talk to people that do drugs and make millions.

You know what I'm saying? And that's when you do drugs as an art. You know what I'm saying? Drug was devised to make you, you know what I'm saying, getting your vibe. It wasn't man for you to be motherfucking begging the nigger. Like, I look like begging. Look at my motherfucking house. I'm not doing no drugs to beg you for no motherfucking money to do more drugs.

No, that's real. Because when you think about like Coke, all these people in the 70s and the 80s and shit who are making movies and being stars, all that shit. These are the people who are basically shaping our society and they're all on crazy amounts of cocaine. shit. Exactly. They were able to control it at least for that time period, at least for that. And that's the whole thing with drugs is that you're choosing to live a

really intense period of your life and the fall off is where you pay the price for that because you might not live past 38, but you might have a fucking wild ass couple of years in your 20s and 30s. And, you know, to each is on. To each of them. It's one route.

It is one route. I'm not mad at that. A lot of the best artists that were basically fueled by some drug. Who you listen to these days? man. Have you listened to my new stengos? Let me ask you. Oh, he'll be a young boy. I listened to the project from 2018, the really soft project. I put it on the car. And I watched some, some videos today. Daddy issues. Yeah. Nice. What's it called it? From a person like you, I always, I always wonder, you know, I get to see some of your interviews, man, you know, and I always wonder, like, what is your perspective of new Trinidad James music? Right.

Like, like, what, like, does it matter? Like, I need to know that, like, you can't offend to me. Like, I live in a real world. You know, like, from a person like yourself, who's just, like, intaking so much, like, you talk to, like, Joe Schmoe to Jesus Christ. Like, you're paying attention. Well, I would say I like, I love the idea of a Trinidad James redemption arc. Like, you really just coming with the project or the song and really just blowing the fuck back up again in the sense of, like,

oh, people kind of, you know, people love a good underdog story. And you, as a musician, now, would be the underdog because it has been a long time. Right. Everything. You're starting to really, like, build yourself up. as more of like a commentator, a podcaster, more of an influencer, what the fuck you want to say.

So it's like out of time like this, I would be extremely invested in that. I think that the whole thing, and this is the weird thing, people always want to ask me, like, is smoke perp falling off? Is little pump falling off, etc? It's like, there's this period

where you're becoming a celebrity, where your interest in you is spiking, where it's blowing up, and then at some point, that slows down, and it just settles in that, like, oh, okay, you're a famous person. And then the unfortunate thing about that is that all of a sudden it's like,

people aren't going to be inclined to give your music the benefit of the doubt they would when you were on this ridiculous upward trajectory and you just sort of become a musician who's for the most part going to be based on the performance like your your popularity is going to be mostly based on the performance of your music so it's kind of what just what you're saying is to us understand is like people could defend you better when they can relate to you when they feel more relative to you that's true right yeah right and now um And I totally agree. You know, like I said, man, I'm a real student.

You know, and for me, all I think about is the consequences. Right. Because what I do, I'm going to do. I don't give a fuck. Right. You know what I'm saying? The consequences is what I think about first. Right.

Or whatever. And I feel that, like, some people get the chance to make it make sense when everybody else think it should make sense. And then some people just got to go the harder way. Right. You know, and the harder way comes with a lot of people quitting, complaining, bitching, getting on Instagram, all that weird ass shit that I don't do. And I'm just about it. You know what I'm saying?

It's like I just feel that if niggas was going to stop me from doing my thing in the game, they would have been stopped me. Right. Because I know the knowledge that I came in with compared to the knowledge I have now. right and if you were going to kill me you should have killed me five years ago right now i mean when you think about it you see you know i've had that conversation about you with like a lot of different people then i think it was like just i like when people talk about me when i'm not there okay yeah i'll tell you what they're saying it's like fucking because we're at complex con and you're there and you got a big camera crew around you or filming something and you know a lot of

people like asking for photos everything like that and i like multiple different people are like oh damn James, he's still around? He's still popping like that, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, you know, in that... That's a hell of opinion, right? That's crazy to hear that when, like, you're in the midst of like, Nick, I just took a thousand pictures. Right.

What the fuck are you asking me about the next single? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's, bro, I promise you, that shit is beautiful, man. And that's the weird thing is that people who aren't paying attention want to know that you put out ex-projects here, you did this or whatever. It's like, to be famous is to have a lot of people

who are not that deeply invested in you know who you are. Of course. You know, and to be famous is limited and boxed. Like we talk about, well, not you. But to be famous is to be famous how you think the word famous, what it means. Or whatever, like, bro, to be famous as a motherfucking job, too. You got to work out here, bro. Right.

You got to do your shit. And if your shit is not only music, then you got to do your shit. Or whatever. Like, people are living for the, ah, the baby. And the next single. and the next single, and this, and that, or whatever, that's the type of wagon they want to jump on. Right.

Because it's an easy wagon. It's hot. It's motherfucking volcano. Because he's in that part of his career right now where he's exploding. But that motherfuckers weren't there when that motherfucker was trying to figure it out and getting his flows together. It took a lot longer than the time period that he's been popular. That's when my girl that told me to listen to him then.

Like, oh, listen to this nigga. She was from North Carolina. She was like, oh, listen to this nigga. You should do a song with him. And I did it. I did it. I didn't But I did it

But I did it because for the right reasons Or whatever from my perspective What It was already an artist from Atlanta Called Little Baby Oh In my mind I've never seen

Where two artists With the same name work At the same time On a high level Right A so rock A set Rocky Yeah

But they were so different generation It doesn't fucking matter Adam But Little Baby and Dudbaby Came out like in the same year Same year Same year Same You know say baby's

baby, baby. You know what I'm saying? And it worked. They got the song again. It's a hit. You know what I'm going to always be loyal to Atlanta. So you just assume there would be... So I was just, no, no. I'm just, like, it's just weird. Because I don't know if this dude's going to make it. Right. You know what I'm saying? He was going by baby Jesus at one period in time. Right. And you can't... That's different. Can't disrespect the Lord, right?

I'm not going there. I'm not going there, Adam. You got like an upside down cross on your fucking, like, come on Adam. Like, we're not, you know what I'm saying? Hello, I'm with Satan. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Laura's like, I go to church tomorrow, Adam. Drop a prayer down in the comments below. I go to church on Sunday. Like, your producer is mad at you right now.

Does she think? I don't know. Laura looks like a church girl. She used to be a church girl before she worked for you. They got all them cool hit churches downtown. Oh, yeah, them Joe Orstein types. Have you been to Joel's church? Hell of fuck, no one.

Would you go to Kanye Suns Nervis? Be honest, Adam. Adam, be real. Adam, you'll be that motherfucker in the interview. Come on, Adam. the clout in you going to be it at sunday service you might wear a motherfucking suit you might be a ugly one because i'm not really a religion guy wait what he's doing an opera at the hollywood ball at the hollywood ball if he sent you a ticket in the morning right would you

pull up i think i got just keep it wrong with me adam can i get a yes to know because i like what if i need a security to protect me not from like the angry patrons but just from like a natural disaster because i'm afraid about what what jesus might bust out if i go to the hospital Hollywood Ball and he's knowing that I'm just this big, big, big old atheists. You're going to be backstage. You're a backstage type of guy. At a Kanye show? You're going to be backstage.

If he gave you the tickets, I just want to know, would you pull up to the Sunday service? I mean, I guess, sure, for a story, yeah. I went to fucking Wyoming for this guy, so yeah, I guess I would go. You went to England for Thug? You went to Wyoming for Kanye. You're going to do what you got to do for your job. I went to England for Disney Rascal, too, and a whole bunch of other great UK interviews. Who did was the main person you went to England for?

I mean, we did shows. We did coverage of wireless. We organized. I did like 15 interviews with different UK rappers. So we managed to be What was your favorite one? What's your favorite one?

Well, there's this white kid H. AITC. And he's fucking blowing up Since I interviewed him. He's really good. Nice. There's a bunch of dope one. AJ Tracy.

Live and direct. Blackout, right? Yes, yes, yes, yes. Light skin, dude, he's really good. Nice. Now, he's like Uzi's homie, maybe. Yeah, probably. Kind of low-key.

He's friends with a lot of motherfuckers out there. He's actually, he's with like ASAP. a lot and shit. Okay. Okay. So, you know, in the UK, he was a good one. Actually, I interviewed this one dude who got arrested for murder like a week later. So what was it? Was it a unknown tea? You? What kind of murder? Gun? Like, no, knife. Like, walk up to somebody and stab him. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. That's what freaks me out is that if I knew that he had shot somebody, okay, that's too bad. The idea of him stabbing someone to death, and I'm not saying they did it, but this is what

the cops are saying in the news. The idea of someone just stab you someone to death and just leaving them to die in the projects like holy shit what a mental image but it do be like that though i feel that um anyway was there ever a conscious moment where you're like i want to become a commentator i want to become a podcaster i want to transition i want to be able to talk on camera and that is part of my value i'm not just a music guy no um i didn't ever i never think about the next step when it comes to like really thinking it out really um a lot i'm really um i'm really, I worship things being organic. Like, I really look forward to

things being organic. You know, when the, to get the complex thing, you know, when it really popped up, it just kind of popped up, bro. Like, I did this show as a guess. And then my accountant was like, hey, bro, maybe you should go up there and fucking do the show. And I was like, I don't need that money. Whatever, you know what I'm saying?

I was thinking about the money. I wasn't thinking like how I need to think, which is like business. Building something. You know what I'm saying? Like, wait a minute. This is a new chance for me to come. Talk my, you know, pitch my brand.

Totally different way to create value out of your personality. And I didn't know what it would turn into. However, I just knew that I cared about guests and I knew I could do it because I was already doing the show. I'd already did my own Camp James type of show on YouTube, 26 episodes, shot myself, paid for myself. Period. I already had a sizzle out there. So motherfuckers knew that I could talk on camera.

When you did that at first, was it because you were hoping that somebody would realize you have the potential to do something on a network or something? Were you just enjoying it for YouTube? So I left Atlanta, 2014, went to L.A., and one of the big goals was to like, okay, revolt. They got me. They black-owned. I got 26 episodes. I'm that nigger. You wish.

There's a part of me that wants to sign with Revolt just because then I feel like I'd be with all the cool black dudes. Like, did Joe Button sign with him? Yeah, him, no worry, puffy. But I need to be with the cool 40-year-olds. Why do you need a black validation in your personal opinion?

I'm just asking you. I wouldn't say I need it, but I respect what they're doing over there, you know? Okay, okay. But do you respect what they're doing over there because they're black or you respect what they're doing because they're killing shit? That might be a valid question. I might need to think about that. Oh, shit!

Oh, shit! But don't you want Of course I want to be involved with something That is like People I really really respect are involved Do you really respect Diddy like that? But it's not it's not like I respect Diddy or Joe Butterer and Norrie because they're black or Dominican or whatever No because they do about that

They're just good I respect that I mean when I got that combat jack co-signed early on that was a very mech of big deal for you Yeah Oh yeah now comment jack is Just because it was like at that point nobody Co-signed me so he didn't fucking with me on loudspeakers was huge What made you even start doing this?

Just happened to be friends with a bunch of SoundCloud rap kids, and I was already doing BMX interviews, and it just seemed like a good thing to pursue. I was just like, you know, I did Xavier Wolf's first. Right, right, right, right. He's a artist. He's like early. He's talented.

He was with Space Goes Park. You know, he's like one of the Raider Clan dudes, and then he had his own wave and everything, and the bones and all this shit. Bones. White War bones, right? They were together, yeah. That's my dog, but he's a talented as fuck.

Do a lot of shit together and everything. What's his producer name? Grief? Grief. Griefer. Woo! Fucking Griefer, the tallest black man

that you don't know and think he looks like. He's just, I don't think there's photos in one line, but I remember one time too. He's 6-10. Yeah.

Figure it out, bitches. That's Griefer. I think he produced all the surrender-surind Dorothy shit, right? Yeah, he's fired. He's super fire. He's the loop master. That's like the bones,

like email. Him and Derringer are probably the two best loop guys and air rap music. Probably like the three best loop guys in the game. I just met Derringer there today too. Westside Gun Derringer,

right? Mm-hmm. That white boy, the truth. He's fire. That white boy, the truth. Griselda moves me. Oh, come on, man. Rizelda is my heart right now.

I've been listening to Smoke Dizzy. My boy who does his brand, he put me on Griseltz. Smoke Dizzy and Benny the Butcher tape. A little EP they did is fire. Come on, brook. Come on, brook. He just did our show on Complex. He just did my show like two days ago.

Oh, Benny the Butcher. That's all with him and motherfuckering. Look, I'll slap the fuck out of the motherfucker. If I'm listening to the club, I might pass. I might do some dumb shit. That shit is true. I'm going to put on some high top moving broccoli. I didn't even amend them that was I really, I love that Puscher and Kanye song.

That's the only song I kept listening to off of Kanye album. That weird beep in the background and then Kenny Jesus comes in and washes everybody. He washes. I mean, the fact that Pusher and Malice sounded like, that was really cute. Hey, they give you Raith Talk. I give you faith talk. Not really here for that one, Malice. I know you was.

That bar, that probably gave you the softie of all softies. That tattoo on your face like jumping. off like what the fuck are you listening to it? I've been waiting 10 years to listen to a new verse from malice and just hits me with that shit. He hit me with this shit. No, that's all right. I'm not. I'm not mad to him. I like his Christian thing. Church. Hell of a sandwich. Do you a thing. Talk your talk. Yeah. But yeah, I like that song. No, man. It's, I mean, to take it, because I'll talk to talk about other people, to take it back into the Trindonet James world. I love talking about other people. Let us do that.

You know what I'm saying? But in the Trindonet James world, man, you know, it's an interesting world, man. Like nobody really truly understands Shrenda James Because I don't even know if that's cool The artist that I like and love, no The artist that I love, I don't fully understand them Because why would you want to fully understand Somebody that you want to look up to? Like, why?

Like, I want to feel like I want to be in the crowd While you're on the stage. Right. You know what I'm saying? I want to keep that nostalgia I want to keep that fantasy going. Right. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I mean, that's why I think a lot of people are... I don't want a nut in the bitch that I want to fuck the most. You don't? you do. I mean, you do. If you could just let one nut go in like the baddest Instagram model in the world right now that you could think of, you're not trying to just let one out?

No. If she's that bad, she's probably got enough money that she's not going to be having you for child support. I don't care about no damn child support. I got my own money. Yeah. I want a kid more than her. I want an IG baby. You're a nasty Adam.

You're a nasty man. God damn. I'm just kidding. I'm trying to put one in my girl right now. Well, if you kid, girls, same different. My kid. A sick man. Whoa.

I don't have a kid right now. If I already had a kid and I made that slip, then that would be Jesus. It's a little awkward. No, I mean, all in all, though, man. Like, you know. You don't got no kids? No, I don't have any kids, man.

You got to work on that. Yeah, shit. We both do. Slot in some DMs. Oh, sliding some more vaginas. You don't got any girlfriend? You don't have a girlfriend either? I don't have a girlfriend, man.

You can't do it. I ain't as good as you. No, I'm not going to say that. I just, honestly, bro, I'm one of those dudes who, like, you can't mean more to me than work. You're not more important than me, creative. You're not. You know what I'm saying?

Like, this shit is everything, bro. Like, I'm so locked into my friends. I'm so locked into the work that they're doing. I'm so locked into all the things that I'm accomplishing and, you know, trying to do. I would ever, like, you know, unless a woman, like, just wants to give up on her life or she got so much shit going on that inspires me, then we're not on the same page. So it's a waste of time. Is there any, like, intercomplex dating?

behind the scenes that we need to know about the complex the place complex yeah just like people dating like is wano dating indesca and we just don't know that'd be crazy wayno dating the desk nah uh-uh uh-uh i don't think i don't think wendo's a deska type i don't think i would assume he would have told me if that's the case right i mean wainno would have been put it out there wainno would have been posted a picture at least my bitch y'all be a shut the fuck up i punch in the face he a real niggie i respect that me too big time big time no i love wano he's the shit actually yeah whatever like people always want to give him shit for trying to re to replace Joe Buttons. I don't think he was trying to replace Joe Bunn's.

I think he was just trying to be wiener. He's just trying to be him, yeah. And I respect that. That's the problem. He had big, big shoes to fill. But I think he's up to your job. I don't think Joe Button shoes that feel that hard to feel. I mean, Joe Bunn, to me is my favorite person to listen, talk to, talk about.

Let my, let my really good friend tell that Joe Bunn's one of the best rappers in the fucking rap game. Who's your best friend? You're friends with the guy who made that list? You made the list? Actually, the guy who made that list is like right there. Which one? The one with the half.

Shut up. Is it a sincere list? Is Joe Bunn really his third favorite rapper? He might be number one. He's number one, actually. We just put him in three to make it humble, but he's actually number one. So you were involved in the proliferation of that list?

I wasn't. I couldn't put Joe Bunn's in top two. It was such a clear troll, though. Like, why is this list that doesn't have that many followers, you get so much attention? Like, if it carried out some deaf jam, vendetta shit and it was like... If that's really him, then that's very interesting.

He's a leisure. If you want to put him on camera, you can if you want to put him on camera, you can if you want, Adam. Should we say, I mean, I'm not against that. I don't know. Adam is on you. It's your show. I think Joe Budden deserves to know who made such a hubbub about him.

You want to tell Joe Biden? Let's get another mic going. Josh, can we get another mic going to learn something? So, but no, I mean, look, man, I feel that, you know, Joe Budden's is doing what he always does. No, no, this is what I'm going to say to you. If it came down some depth jammer and dead of shit, like one-on-one, king of the court. Or whatever, Joe Button's going to smoke. A lot of rappers.

He's going to smoke. You don't want that smoke? You don't want that Joe Button rap smoke. I don't deny Joe Button as great lyricist at all. I don't got time to deny him on that. I think that's why he laugh off a lot of the shit. He got dissed a whole hit song by the Migos. And he laughed at off and still got a $5 million podcast.

That's a bad motherfucker. You got to love that. That's a bad motherfucker. Yeah. That's a bad one. But he had a great quote about it where he said that the whole thing about it was that he's been getting dissed for all these years by losers who are not selling any records. So it's like to be

dissed by somebody who's actually going to sell some fucking records is exciting. Right? I mean, he was getting disby all these random-ass dudes for a long time. You can't beat Joe buttons, bro. Yeah, it's inspiring because it makes you realize you could fall down a lot of times. You could take a lot of else and you can still come out on time. And I feel and I understand why a person like yourself

would say like, no, I respect Joe buttons because he does show you that whole Duane Wade mentality of falling down 10, get up 12. Yeah, that's important, bro. That's super important. You might not realize but you're kind of following part of that blueprint as well because you fucking have done the

sorry, it's kind of confusing having these Russians running around, but you've done this transition from rapper to commentator in a lot of ways. For him, he had to like wait till later in his career to really do that, like where he's already ready to basically be done rapping, which is kind of interesting. I'm not done rapping. You're not. I'm not done rapping.

I drop a new project at the top of 2020. You know, I got a lot of new projects coming. I got a lot the music coming in 2020 that it's my music, music I wrote, all type of stuff. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm really in the game, bro. Like, I'm really out here. And I realize that sometimes you get your flowers now, and sometimes

you get your flowers later. Right. And for a man like myself, bro, I don't need the flowers, period. Right. Because I got the money. And I got the relationships. And that's what matter more to me. Everybody different, bro. Everybody's different. You talked to a lot of people, Adam. How did money will do? a lot to make you feel good about your situation in life. Come on, bro, because if you're creative,

you need some type of paper to keep creating. Right. You know what I'm saying? So I need to do what I need to do in order to keep creating. Right. That's what matters. Yeah. That's why I'm at. 100%. We're going to get these guys on. Who are these guys? You tell me. These guys are the brownstone guys. This guy has Joe Bunn's. Are we having Joe Button talk? Yeah, yeah. We're going to give you a power hour or two minute,

two minute Joe Button. The name of this podcast is now. Joe Button talk. Joe Biden talked. You started this out of you. I actually like that idea. A whole podcast where every episode you analyze a different like moment in Joe Button's life, like the time that you got in the fight with consequence. You know, it's like there's so

many like weird moments. You're talking to like the guy of my age like a motherfucker. Wave is, yes. Go. Go. I hate to speak for you, but Wade just really loved Yeah, we listen to two totally different styles of music. First of all, he'll talk to you about that later. But no,

Joe Stack Bundles, Step bones are my top five. Okay, there you go. Yeah, absolutely. So it's almost like just in, like, tradition now, listen to Joe. But I've been telling, it's so funny, it's like my best friend. Okay. But Joe Button is literally my favorite rapper of all time.

And I will battle anybody who, like, tell me a little bit about how you fell in love with Joe Button's music. Oh, it's a lot. How are you going to do this? Except it's the layer of the chair. Here's a water. There's a lot. Well, Adam, how much time do you have?

them by them. How passionate can you get about Joe Bucat, nobody gets this passionate? No, no, no. Did you ask what you back in? Did you ask what you back in about your original? I'm not to tell you a whole story. It's so funny. It's really beautiful. And it speaks to like,

complex about our actual brand. But I love being able to come to your platform and talk about nothing but Joe Button. Got to hear that. I got an hour and a half for you. So, no, I actually, my, the first Joe mixed tape, he's probably going to see it.

It was probably like eighth grade, seventh grade. It was the old DJ Clute tape. Boy that shit. off of... Before he was... He was buying DJ T'O.

Yeah, dude. He's been talking about me putting him in, like, Griseldade and all this different, like, music artists. Yeah, and Grito. And Grisolde and all that. But, like, no, man,

I was listening to Joe in, like, something great. Okay. Joe's, like, Joe Lupe. I'll just start with those two. Those are two my favorite artists all the time. Right. Yeah.

So, like, the Joe influence has been, like, big. Right. But why is Joe a big deal? It's so funny to see him now. Because, like, Yeah, that's very cool Like I love I love Joe that I listen to podcast all the time

Do you follow all of the different Joe But in timelines because you could easily Be just a Joe button podcast fan You could be a What the fuck is it called? He said seven great Adam Like he made us podcast fans Do you do the love and hip hop

Because I feel like that is No it's so funny I don't watch it at all Yeah Did you like that part? What did you feel about that part of Joe The love and hip hop Joe? I just have never really seen it

besides like a couple little When you love an artist, you can block out their bad points. I don't listen to it. I only know Danzig 1 through 4. Yeah, yeah. And that's I was going to tell you earlier. That's so true. But these are concurrent timelines.

Because like he just explained you, Danzig 1 through 4. And I just came and told you about stacked bundles. Yeah, yeah. So yes. But Joe Button has concurrent timelines where it's like they don't overlap. Like on the Joe Button podcast, he doesn't talk about what's going on and hip-hop. It's funny. I just told you this is my best friend.

So I can block out a lot of shit. Right? Right? Think about that. He's doing a love line. I didn't have a whole type of beeps I have. He's nurturing the grown and sexy black people on love and hip-hop

and then he goes to YouTube and he's got the fucking nerds watching him and then he's, I mean, the music thing was what it was, but now you don't do that anymore. Man, it's really funny because, like, literally, I have, like, an old iPod at my house right now. Literally, like an old generation one. Yeah, the brick one. And there's a song.

Like, if you go to the, songs, there's a song title, Joe Button Freestyle, played this for a name who doesn't believe. Right. It's the title of it. That's the title of it. That's the title of the song. Did you make the song about him?

No, no, no, no, no. He made it. It's actually the old NBA freestyle. Oh. He did a long, long time ago. He did a little NBA on, Joe played the crib. Oh, NBA.

Oh, yeah. He killed a lotion out right now. He pulled a lotion out right now. For what it's worth. For what it's worth. He did kill that shit. It's right. But he got to act like,

I remember writing the school list in the six minutes of death. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, God. You know what you're saying? No, the song, Family Reunion is my favorite song with him and Ransom and all that fools. Family reunion was a classic. I got an old iPod, bro, at the crib. I think I had nothing but 18, three styles.

I think I only did mood music maybe one and two. I don't know if I got to three. Well, no, one is actually fire. One actually has a lot of gems. Did it occur to you at a time? All of them was fired. Well, no, he remixed a lot of stuff. Did you, were you like, this is my rapper?

Because this is the only rapper who raps about depression and prescription drugs. My girlfriend will kill me. Being in Danville, Virginia. No, but that definitely played an influence on what I was listening to. I think that was a big part of Joe Bunyan's overall contribution, being honest about mental health before it was called mental health. I don't know it's really funny. My girlfriend's a therapist. Like, yeah, like, he really listens to like, hardcore punk rock music.

Right. Like the darkest deep. Like, I don't know how deep tracks. Right. Joe Button is punk. Well, Joe used to sample a lot of stuff. So when Joe used to sample a lot of stuff, I would play for my brother. Like, yo, this dude, I fuck with this, like, sampling stuff from your genre.

Right. What do you think about this? Yeah, that's honestly. What punk bands was Joe Bunnan sampling? Joe doesn't sample a lot of punk, honestly. Keep it a buck. He was keeping it. He was like.

Which, no offense. Everybody's like, oh, you like guitar or something. I feel like the producers are doing that, and he's probably in the dark because, like, Usually the rappers don't get super involved with what the producers are sampling. Joe's smart out. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Me and Nick, Matt, but he's my favorite rappers.

He's probably the smartest rapper. So yes, I'm pretty sure he knew all of those samples. Now, you ever seen Logic freestyle with a room? No. You ever seen Joe freestyle on sway? I need the styles in them in the room. I need that. I need that.

No, it'll buy that. I mean you got time for that. I need that celebrity. You don't talk that shit, Wade. How much self-control? Go away. He never took shots to Joe Button,

even though Joe Button's like ridiculed him on the podcast. No, he's smart. He knows better. He might cancel my brain. Let me stop. Logic doesn't want to smoke, you don't think?

Logic can rap. He's saving it for the album. Oh, the album will have the full old Joe 24 hours of death. So me and Nick, we all met. I'm biracial and also fuck Joe Biden.

We all met through Sample. I think Logic coming from love. Logic ain't going to come out. If a Trinidad James, no interview, no jumper interview. brings Joe Button out of retirement, then, hey. Okay, fast forward to the list.

Yes. Oh, he had nothing to do with that. What? Nothing to do with that. That's what I thought he was saying. No, he kept saying like that's what I'm saying. We've been throwing inside jokes back and forth at this whole interview. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, my God. I thought this was all leading. No, no. Adam, you got to understand. I'm from Atlanta. I'm going to finesse you, bro. So you just finesse me? So you just stay with some Joe Button fans, huh?

Come on, bro. One. Because I know that if I'm going to get a podcast, you got to have Joe Budden fans, which Adam fans, Adam fans, they're going to fucking go turn on you. He told you I totally agree with the list. Joe fans go stand. Which I totally agree with the list. But what happened was Nick Sample, Nick sampled bad brains.

Oh, yeah. Nick Sample Bad Brains on the 10 piece mile soundtrack, on 10 piece mile album. That was my second project. And we used to park next to each other in Atlanta. Yeah, we lived in the same condo. So, like, we would be, like, I literally ran into him one day. Like, you know, you run this guy in an elevator. It's like an intro to a story or whatever.

Like, he's going one way, and I'm going another, but we park next to each other. And, like, we literally run in each other. And he's going to the club, and I'm going to a punk show. And he's like, oh, shit, what the fuck you're going? You dress fresh. I'm like, where fuck you're going? You dress fresh. I'm about to be a band called Drug Church.

He's like, I'm about to go to fucking, what is this shit? Some shit, no. He's hosting some club in the line. Yeah, something weird. Like I was about to go host the goal room. Yeah, really. And you're going to go host the drug church.

What fucking kind of You know what drug church is? Drug church is? Shout to my boy, Pat. Shout to Axegrine podcast. I know a lot of crazy sound in band names, but drug church sounds pretty crazy. Like,

there's a whole church full of people injecting heroin. You got a shout out Axegrine podcast because the guy who runs, the guy who sings in drug church has a podcast called AxeGry.

I'm a Jamie John I'm a Jasta podcast kind of guy, you know? Oh. I told him the thing Hey Green is the hardest band in the world Hey Green is the hardest band in the world And I don't actually listen That podcast anymore

But I did listen to a bunch of it When I first found out about it I'm really wanting to meet you off camera So we do all in this life But this is hilarious Shut up to drug church I'm going to be listening A lot of drug church

I want to do a drug church I just wanted to do And he was literally I pulled up on him I was going to my car And he's in the front seat of his car We parked next to each other He's literally eating a 10 piece mile

It's like we fucking literally rap. Right. In the simplest version, I mean, the lowest-hangered fruit, I'm eating wings in my car. I was like, this is amazing. I was like, yeah. I was like, yeah. Top 10 foods, I'm not trying to eat my car wings.

What kind of car you got, yeah? There's too much debris created at BMW. What kind? Oh, it's cool? I love that. But he asked me to, I don't know. He asked me to go hoop with him the next day and I was like, no, let's not do it. Yeah, he asked this.

And he was like, you want to come to this. It's literally. You're like, you want to go shoot some hoops? Five years ago. That's hard. When he's like Prince's there, you want to go shoot some hoops. Right. And I was like, instead you're going to go to a punk show with me?

You went to a punk show? Yeah. Nothing. They were open. That band called nothing. Nicky Nethon is the lead singing that. My boy shot at Nikki Money. They're opening for a ceremony.

Ceremony. Yeah, you know ceremony. Yeah, you know, whatever. They're the shit. But that was my first punk show in Atlanta. Four years ago. You know, and I mean, that really, his perspective of music,

they're both perspective of music. the reason why I brought them up here, well, I like finessing you. Yeah. That makes one day. You know what I'm saying? But if I could plug all my homies, like,

why am I here? Have I ever here now? I thought that you were saying that you were instrumental in creating that Joe Button would be number one. If you're talking Joe Bunn's, you did pretty much say that at first.

One through five would be Joe Buttons. As far as I'm concerned, if your only claim to fame is that you know a lot of, about Joe Bunnan, you come on the No Jobber podcast, for sure. You should do a deep dive with this pool. I was thinking about making a YouTube video and being like, I listen to every Joe Button song and then just talk about the career arc and like really going to depth about it.

I can give you so many. But that's what was funny because he was like, yo, you know, you're like, oh, come up. I was like, oh, God, he didn't hear this straight. But no, I did not make the list. But if it were my list, Joe Bunn be one through 10. Wow. One to 10. That's like completely against the rules.

I'm telling you, Joe going to hear this. Joe, but you go hear this. And, nigga, you owe me a motherfucking thank you. And Rory's come to a party. You owe me a thank you. Rory's been to a brownstone party. You fuck with emotional oranges? Ah, I don't like that type of music.

It's no drug church. There's no drug church. You guys in drug church. There's no negative approach either. You know in Sendier? Yeah, of course. My boys from New York. I used to be roommates with a singer.

I know. No way. They're coming through again in January. We're downpresser for the record release. Yeah, okay. Down press an intro, motherfuckers We need to start a label,

bro, we gotta sign some bands like fucking I got a couple bands What's your top three? What's your Rushmore bands right now? Right now?

I don't know if I found out about a new band in the past 20 years. Oh my God that you like? You don't like Turnstow?

I mean, turns out of cool But I'm not gonna act like I'm like a real fan Relax, relax, relax, relax, relax, relax, listen it to him in my life.

Oh God, Adam, if turnst style, I got to ask a real question. It's your fault. If there's young thug out there. Who's fire? Youngthard. I know the type of hardcore you think of.

You're nasty. You're nasty, man. You're nasty, man. We have a whole segment in Trinity at James talks hardcore. Well, not even trying to be like, I know what I'm talking about. Defends turnstile to the death. Yeah, they're great thing. But I'm sure you've heard, I'm sure you know Power Trip.

Yeah. I'm sure. Have you heard, you know, Triple B records? No. Okay. So triple B is like this really amazing label. Okay. And they put out a bunch of really good.

You know Candy? No. Okay. Candy's not bad. I don't have any, like, hardcore. So Triple Beepin. I love a creator, too. Candy are a great band.

There's a band called Restraining Order. They just put out their debut EP, I think it is, a couple weeks ago. That's a good name. These are the bands you should fucking knocks. If you give a fuck. Girl, ever have a restraining order on you? No. I wear their T-shirts.

I'm pretty good a woman. Never stalked. Never stalked. I don't think that. You don't know like a stalker. You don't have the eyes of a stalker. I don't got it in me. There's a band called Spiritual Cramp.

You know spiritual cramp? No. Wow. You have a spiritual cramp, though. You see the difference, and you ask me about Joe Button and Stack Bundles versus now? Yeah, yeah. The new ceremony record is crazy. Okay.

Like, people are, like, trying to sleep on it because, like, different. The new ceremony record is incredible. Really? Shit. Do you know American Nightmare? Oh, yeah. Okay. I'm from fucking Boston.

I used to see them all the time and shit. Boston is their reason. Yeah. Yeah. I used to work with Wes. Oh, really? In the later stage of his life? I used to work at their bookstore.

I hope I'm not. What year we took? I hope I'm not like overstepping saying they want a bookstore. But I used to do mail order and things for him and Amy. And they're both amazing people. Yeah, they got a bookstore now in L.A. right now. I'm going to listen to American men. Daddy Pounder.

Yeah. To me, to me that that's my favorite. Well, the thing is that's my favorite hardcore man. Yeah, yeah. So to do that, I was like, yeah, fuck it. I was a mega suicide file fan. You know what? But yo, let's talk Boston.

Okay, so A.N. is sick. A.N. is my, like, God tear. But then you got, like, fucking suicide fall. Okay. Okay. I'm saying suicide file. Death before Dissonna. I'm saying, fuck with all that shit, too, or?

I don't. Again, I like, like, and I like, and I try funny? You don't vote with the beat down shit, man? I like a little more art. Nothing against it. Right. But I like a little bit more thought. Fuck.

So I love, like, like, like, you know, Converge were able to walk that path. so perfectly, like, just do whatever. I will always say that the most violence I've ever seen in my life, and I say this having seen people get shot and stuff, the most violence I've ever seen in my entire life was like 2003 Converge

Palladium Metal Fest in Worcester, Massachusetts, it's just the number of fights that were going on all around me in that moment was like nothing I've ever seen. It was like a mosh pit, but it's just... It's just violence. You have never been in a situation where you're watching like 45.

fist fight's going on all around you. It was my ball. Amazing. So for me, so for me, with the Boston sound, it's like, that's what kind of introduced me to hardcore in a weird way, maybe. But it's, you got A.N. A. A.N., a chorus God tear. You got Halfheart, who are like, on a complete

like Pat Flynn and West, I throw, like, probably like, day and night. But you need both. Right. And then for me, it was like HopeCon. Oh, yeah. I'm a huge Hope Conspers. I'm a huge Hope Conspirational. I'm a huge hope and you see my, you see the people that I'm hanging around. That's my point of a rich source of influence.

You know, so you can't just be, you can't get caught up and just be a incredibly underrated band that more people need to listen to. It's a fucking incredible man. Yeah, I can tell you about this shit, bro. You know what I'm saying. Like, bro, this is what we do, bro. Swap information. This what we do.

That's how you get better at this shit, bro. That's how I got into this. It's because I was just learning about shit online and I was like, man, I want to be able to like manifest. Like, why do you like power tripping young thug? Right. Because that shit punk is fuck, motherfucker, that's wrong.

That's cool. When you guys, when y'all got the gun under the dress, I was back, I was like, isn't it crazy? That's so cool. He gave me that. That's what it's supposed to be. He gave me those bars in that interview before it came out. Isn't that crazy? You felt like, oh.

That's why I was proud of you. He teased his album. I was super proud of you. I was like, that's the slang. It's taken over the world. The proud of you shit. And but Reese LaFlair was telling me about that shit like, like.

Three. Reis! Why do you have in your interview? I need to back up. I said the corny-ass thing to Reese that you sometimes say when you go to Sunday City where you say like, what's the slang out here that we don't know about? And he said, I'm proud of you. And I'm like, what the fuck you do talking about?

He's like, no, he's like, somebody to tell you that they did something. You just got him with that. I'm proud of you. But like, he was described and saying in a much more, like, sarcastic way. Whereas now you have all these rappers comments and proud of you on each other's photos and they're totally sincere. But it's the same thing. No, I mean, I think that, man, you're catching the culture from all different type of

concepts and I think it's important. You know what I'm saying? Like you need to see it from that. You know, I do the same thing, bro. You know, in order to do my music, in order to do the, I live in the world of entertainment. Everybody else is looking at the perspective of Katrina James. You're looking for damn, that's the all gold, nigga. I'm looking for gold. I'm looking for this. You know what I'm saying? And at the end of the day, I appreciate you looking. You know what I'm saying? And every time somebody look at you, then I'm going to see what you want them to see. Right. And that's fine, bro. That's totally fine, bro. You know what I said? Because I got what I need. You know, like, I got my boys.

I got my money. I got my fashion. I got my ideas. You know what I'm saying? I got everything that I'm doing. I got my whole life ahead of me. You know what I'm saying? And that's the biggest point.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like that's what it's all about, my G? That's the crazy shit is that a lot of people expect you to like have a hit and then to base the entire rest of your life around making another hit. And if you just make music that you like, then that's somehow like a sign of failure. Yeah. In their eyes. See, that's the concept.

that we, like I said, you either control the narrative or you let the narrative control you. And everybody either falls into one of the motherfucking categories. I'm not lying to you. I'm being honest. Every artist that you have interviewed in this motherfucking show, no jumper, that's one of the top ten podcasts in America, if not the world. Guaranteed, hard body facts. Hard body facts. I don't give a fuck about nobody's numbers.

Hard body facts. Thank you. Or whatever. You either fall into where you lay. and social media control your narrative, or you could tell when it's like, nah, that motherfucker control the narrative. You can tell.

We can tell. The consumer can tell. You definitely can tell. People like you less like minded like you, can tell, or whatever. And that's what it's all about, bro. I know I can shape the narrative, you know? Like, no, but I'm just saying, like, isn't that?

It's so obvious that it's easy because it would be so easy to plant, like think about, we could post a negative story about Trenton to James like you can find something to post like you can find anything like any artists that you really wanted to hone in on the negative shit about myself than the bad shit that people

post about me. You could find a clip of somebody where they look goofy on their story and post it and be like, look at this, you know? That's the power that the media has if they don't like it. Or take it out. Even worse, the media can just ignore you. They can just ignore you. That's like kind of the worst thing they could do. You know? And I and at the end of the day

like I really tried to live by that mantra. I told you earlier, man, you know what I'm saying? Stay out the way, put numbers on the board. But for some reason, motherfuckers be coming and wanted to come and find you in that James and say something. I'll bring my name up or something. I'll be staying out the way. I literally try my best to stay out of the way. Who I've been beefing with?

Who I've been beefing with? I don't even know. Have I been beef or not? No beefs. I just want to jump in and say no beefs. No beefs. But I think it's been. No, don't be.

I think it's been incredible. and interesting to see your growth. Not even in terms of like, like, I think sometimes maybe your friends can tell your story better than me. And I don't mean that in a bad way. That's the big fact. What I'm saying is, like, we see it.

I dedicate way more time to my friends than even my fans. Like, like, I'll be honest with John. Like, when I literally met you. I love my friends. Like, when I literally met you, like, you were, like, I had no fucking idea what the fuck I was going to do with my fucking brand. You know.

I was a different man back then. I was a different man back then. I was a different man. It's 2014. It's like, 2014. You couldn't talk to me. But just to see you. But that's why I stay away from people because I ain't know me.

Like everybody, you know, all these kids that you talk to that come in. But the things you're doing now and the shit you're doing that and shit. Like, you've always been good at it. Like, you've always been able to like hold your own and do a show or do this or do that. But I think it's just kind of like was the timing. has to link up with the opportunity with the expectation in a sense. And I think you just, I mean, I hate fucking, like, I'm like roasting you, like, praising you. Just the roast of the Jones conversation.

But like, literally. Thank you, Adam. Now, you very much taught me that. Like, you have to be fucking prepared for what the fuck is going down. Yeah, got to be ready. Yeah, I think, yeah, your own point. I think that's important. I think that's the biggest point.

And I think, I mean, if people are going to watch this, you're probably going to put it out in parts because that's what you do these days. Not always. Yeah, I'm saying. This is a little bit too meandering. I feel like this would be better as a solid chunk. You're drunk. That's right. No, no.

Not pregame, like drinking. Like pregame prep. About this. What, you guys? Tell him I'm the Joe Bunn guy. I told him, I told him,

I was like, yeah, he's gonna put this out. This is all a promo for the Joe Bunn podcast. We, like I said, we pay attention at him. So we know what you do. Yeah. And we have a perspective.

I don't watch your show. But it's not bad. I just don't. But Wave Wave is very much in tune with everything. Wave is very in tune with everything that goes on. So he's like, yo, this is what the fuck is going down.

It's like when the Grito shit, like even today, Dave was like, listen. You have listened to Grito album today. I'm kidding. Okay. So Grito, Grito name drop me in his album today. Really? Why are we doing this right now?

I was trying that James getting the Grito song. What do you say? And I'm putting him on game before. Go old, like, turn to that James is some shit. So listen, I'll tell you, he told you earlier. He's like, rapist. off like ludicrous. Then he goes into like some, some, some, some, some trend that dreams.

Goldfronts, Trinded at James, some, something to replace the teeth, blah, blah, blah, blah. There you go. Oh, whatever. Grito, he, grito, he's right. He didn't mean in despair. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? And the thing about it is like, bro, ahead of time.

Smoke is not, like, rap is rap. Right. And if you don't know somebody, all you can do is rap about them and give opinions. And sometimes your rap is just opinion. Or whatever, you know what I'm saying? So, like, when it comes to real smoke, what I had to realize in the rap, game because you talk to a lot of people that talk all that gangster shit for your shit. Like that should be super cute.

I love it. All the thugs. All the thugs. You got all the thugs. Every last one. This is like the Cody and Cowboy of a podcast. You know what I'm saying? Let me put my hat back on.

Cody and Cowboy. I'm ready. You know what I'm saying? But when it comes to smoke, the one thing I could tell you, Adam, is that everybody has a chance to prove their point. And if somebody says they have smoke with somebody, they don't have smoke with somebody unless they do somebody because it's not impossible to do somebody. do what you say that you want to do.

Right. Or whatever. So that's why I stay away from that. Because if I actually have smoke with somebody, I'm gonna see you. Guarantee it, but it's not, I'm not gonna see you to prove to point to the media. I'm gonna see you to see if we actually have a problem

or if you was doing this for clout. Because I understand a lot of kids, like to do things for clouds, even old niggas. They do anything for clobacco. They're worse than kids sometimes. So I just be having to understand, like, what's going on, like if it's actually a problem. Am I wrong?

I have no problem checking myself if I'm wrong because I like to be right and if being wrong allows me to learn how to be right then I have no problem. Be like, oh, okay, my bad. But if you're just chasing cloud then I need to see what that's about because I know what I'm about

and I don't have to live my life proving it on Instagram because I was proven it before Instagram. Right. You feel kind of old? I'd be okay. I do it for the right reason. That's the truth.

Well, we just do like an hour and a half. Is there anything that we should touch on that we haven't so far covered? Oh, I wanted to ask you, what's up with Adam Sandler? You hang out with him much or just did the moment? Oh, that's a wonderful question. Because I love Adam Sandler to me. Your name is Adam. No, but he's from where I'm from.

And growing up, he had this one album. I forget what it was called, but it had like a picture of him as a little kid on it. And that was like that was still to this day. Adam Sandler, like, what was it called? You know about the album? We used to do comedy album? Yeah, it was like, did he like drumming some punk fan?

Not that I know. I wouldn't take it from him if he did. He's a talented guy. I feel like he did, and it was like, whatever. But yeah, the last thing I'll say to you is to go see uncut gems, December 13, that's the Adam Settler movie. I didn't get to, I haven't like hung out with Adam

the way that I would love to say I hang up with him. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, I did get to act with Adam Soutley. Right. And that was fun. fucking incredible. Right. Because, I mean, you know, you know him as Adam Sandler, but after December 13th,

you can only call him Howie for life. Really? I promise you that. Wow. What Kevin Garnett? He are. I'm thinking of Ben Stiller. No, yeah.

The film you're doing is right. Oh, I mean, look, bro, I went to the screening early. If that's a flex, sure, or it's a weird one. But, okay. You know what I'm saying? I mean, in the movie, so I should be there, right? Right. You know what I'm saying?

But I forgot I was in the movie. That's how good the movie was. Right. Until my part came about it. And I was like, oh shit. Here I am. Oh, shit, we're here. Fly as fuck.

Jesus, yes, because you know. You know I was going to bring a fit. You did. Oh, I did. I brought the fit. Would you turn down an action role if it was a, you were supposed to pay a poorly dressed guy? Yeah. I can't even pretend.

Every movie, every movie that I've done, I've been able to style myself. The wardrobe has let me style myself. Really? That's facts on my mama. Because they always just get you as just some cool last dude. Because everybody else gets dressed and I dress. I'm being honest Like he's saying like oh he's talking shit

And he's being one of those arrogant black guys No motherfucker Look at my outfit You won't wear this Because you think it's too much for you And I'm just relaxing Yeah I'm chilling

I sleep in this I go to school in this This is nothing You wear your chance to sleep? Yeah I've done that That's wild I've done that And nothing

I mean when I first got all my chains Oh fuck I did everything in them Yeah, come on, bro. You spend $40,000 on something the fuck? Right. Come on, bro. I can't do it. If you spend $40,000 on this, I don't know.

Choke me to death. Dude, if you spend $40,000 on your girl, Titch, you're going to hold them. Like, bitch, I'm just going to carry you around the hallway in the house. You spent $40,000, you got ripped off. That shit should be $10 at most. What I'm saying? Number man. Wow.

Number man. Number man. Yeah, wow, wow. Yeah. Number man is a good nickname for me, though. I'm 22. Number man. Number man.

I like that. Take me back to Trinidad real quick. But now go see Uncut Jams. I mean, you know, for the people that watch this, you know, they, look, bro, you can't get rid of Trinidad, James, bro. You can't, bro. I know that y'all be trying, y'all try to erase my existence, everybody. You know what I'm saying? You just can't, bro.

And it's not because I won't let you. It's just because you fucking can't, my nigger. my nigga, you can't. Because what I did wasn't paid for. It was earned. It was deserved. For real. That's just what it is, man. You know what I'm saying? When you're

doing shit for the right reason, you don't have to worry about what's wrong. And that's the problem. You've got people that got a lot of weird incentives. My incentives never been bad, or my intentions. It's always been to be a visual killer. To always be flat. To always sell confidence. To always

be better. To always protect. Like hip hop, protect rap, protect music, protect people that I love. It's the same code, bro. Right. I don't change my fucking code for wear that social media, motherfuckers, black, white, Asian, Spanish. I don't give a fuck who you are. Right. At all.

You don't run shit over here, man. Yeah. And I know that threatens a lot of people. And I don't apologize for it, but I understand the misunderstanding. And it's all love. Because one day we can understand whether I'm dead or alive. You could either get it now in the present or you can get it when I'm gone. Right.

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