No Jumper - Trust Mula on Becoming a Latin King, 15 Years in Prison, Dropping his Flag & More

Episode Date: August 23, 2026

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Then we got the greatest baseball rivalry of all the time playing out with your hats right here. That's cool. Oh, yeah. I'm from Boston, so like, like I'm moved. Oh, look. You're full. But not really, not real. I'm from New Hampshire.

So, like, we from New England. You know, we banged Boston, but, you know, obviously. We had our own sport team. Maybe we'd go out. No, no, but I'm from New Hampshire. And so I move out in early 2004. I moved to Queens. And then boom, they win the series after whatever.

40 years or whatever it was. Wow. Finally took New York out. And I think they did it again, too, right? I think so. Yankees haven't won in a long time, though. Yeah? Oh, it's bad since then?

No. No. Nix was like, what, 30 years? Was it? Was it? You a baseball guy or a basketball? I don't go fuck about none of that. I mean, neither. I'm like UFC boxing shit like that.

Me too. So we got the same reason. That's crazy. I'm just saying, like, oh, I'm just saying, Like, all right, because I was reading an article that basically, like, somebody said, like, UFC will never be able to be as big as sports because an individual fighter is always just going to be an individual. And then in comparison, you've got people who love the Lakers and they love the Lakers for 60 years. And they've had, you know, 50 different lineups and shit over the years.

And realistically, like, the average person is just going to care about, like, team sports way more than individuals. But I care way more about individuals and I don't really give a shit about team sports. I care about individuals. So if the individuals in the Lakers, and the I love, we're going to go like Kobe Ryan. All right, I'm a Lakers fan. Right, boom, yeah.

Okay. Yeah, nah, that's a fact. So for anybody who, that's my son, damn, dude, I'll just say some New York shit. That's a fact. That's a snap of fact. A snap of fact.

We mix the grabber with the spray pack, son. They're like, damn, he got us. Yo, let me tell you, I'll save that for the interview. We're going to get to New York. Please ask you that question. Please ask me that question about New York. Oh, we're in.

We locked in. No, we're in. All right, so this is what I want to say about my city. Now, I love New York. Yes. You see, I scream, New York. Mm-hmm. Let me tell you, sir, man.

These niggas don't have no identity, pardon the N-work. They don't have no identity. They don't know who they're in New York. Really? You see how Cali knows who they are? Your workers, they all got the same kind of style. They know they're California guys. Okay, yeah.

You go to fuck New York, and everybody's acting like everybody else. Talking like everybody else. The drill rap thing Hit Chicago Granted New York Was like the next city To really do it

But is that kind of part of it You feel like some of that drill culture Kind of like a race someone What made New York great Let me tell you something Man bunch of niggas in New York Listening to Chicago rap And they start copying styles

And then when I come out with originality I started off in Rikers Attica put in work Ririi Cormstock Madis hell And Drizri Drop Kiki She let me not In the cell

Let me rock So good Got Millions I could boss a Millie Rock my mom it's not drill you get it so they don't want to hear it they think oh yeah nigger you don't know good music because he wasn't raised on good music so when we hear me music you think that that's good music you don't know nobody because you don't know nothing before drill yeah he was born two commissaries ago i think a lot of it too is that two commissaries ago that's how we're gonna make

but a lot of these young dudes you make drill music you don't have to take any risk you already know exactly what kind of beat you're gonna rap on you already know what the flow is gonna be like it's just your voice doing it to do anything like unique takes a lot of balls, you know, whereas the drill thing, you put on the Nike tech, everybody else got a Nike tech, you rap the same flow as everybody else, you rap on the same beats, it's just like paint by numbers. And that's why the people have lost interest in it. Yeah, and then from the beginning of the end, it's called him, I murder, kill your mother, your brother, I'm like, yo, shut the fuck up. Yeah. I'll turn that shit right off. Yeah. Sometimes, like, you'll hear

about a New York drill rapper, you listen on one song, you're like, oh, all right, that's kind of hard, and then you hear the next song, next song, next song, you're like, this shit, all exactly the same. Shout out the chef, Gene Pop. smoke though man I give them respect okay no no yeah pop smoke different category yeah and I don't believe pop smoke was the king of drill I think pop smoke was a hitmaker doing on drill beats and that's that do you think New York drill would have prospered if pop smoke didn't for sure for sure because pop smoke took the drill beats and made hit records these guys are all sounding the same you have to have an identity yeah you see how we know who Adam 22 is we

know how he looks we know that his interviews are spicy we know this we notice about you yeah so that's what makes Adam 22 great they can't duplicate another Adam 22. It just won't happen. He won't be welcoming the hoods. Yeah, no, I feel you, but like, man, Pop Swunk was so hot. 2019, rolling loud. I go out there. I've never seen a rapper run New York since, like, maybe like 50. Yeah. Like, like in terms of like everywhere you go, that is what you're hearing and almost nothing else. Everywhere you go, especially when you hear, I'm gonna fuck who you are. Baby, welcome to my party. I hate to have the script up and have to, I'm a dot. Give me lit.

Baby. Baby. Now, when you're doing shit like that, it's called melodizing. Who had that? 50 cent. Now, who got it now? Chef G. Now they're hearing the trust Mulaw, nigga.

You get it? So now, when you become successful, Adam, I'm sure you went through this in your life. Everybody comes at your hat. I've heard about this, yes. I got a hit record. It's not my for you niggas is dropping dirt. Dirt, diggity, no doubt, y'all get your shit up.

Yeah. Start being with the community. get outside your realm. I went to Cali with a one-way ticket. I could burn the boat if I want to. You did. Like, we said, I was like, yeah, I'm down to interview. You're like, I'll be out there.

And, like, we hadn't even picked the date yet. And you just hopped on the plane. And you were, like, out here on, like, Sunday. And I was like, yeah, like, I kind of can't do it until Wednesday. You're like, it's all good. I'm just out of you're chilling. I was like, damn, trust Mueller really moving around. Moving up.

He's a boss time. Come on, man. You know why? Because you cannot sit around and you know it because you're a successful man. Right. You could not sit around thinking, you're going to give you money or going to give you success.

Success is earth. It's not giving. Facts. You can't cry about shit when they don't work your way. You know, my, I'm doing this,

I'm doing that, man, there's a whole thing that, you know, that me and Hocus went through, you know, your Hocus is my brother. I don't want to shit on him.

I don't want to say nothing bad about him. But, you know, there was a situation with me and Hocus, right? Okay. And sometimes it's good. A coincidence is God's way to be anonymous, my brother. And sometimes God will remove

these negative apples from your life. You understand what I'm saying? So when me and Hokas went to what we went to, I got to see everybody's true colors. So do, well, okay, yeah, why not let's just get into that? So Hokka's 4-5th, one of, like, probably the most well-known online, you know, gang-oriented personalities comes from the gang lifestyle,

but kind of has rejected it to a certain extent. How did you guys get into it? And what was there? Like, give me the origin of the relationship. So, you know, I'm not supposed to, but, speak too much about Hocus right now. But I'm going to get into the to the gist of it because I am on Adam 22,

right? Sure. So let's give Adam 22 some respect. Okay. All right. Now, I ain't trying to like make it a worse situation. Yeah, yeah, no, no. It's a little breakdown. So the people that watch Adam 22 understand what's going on, right? Me and Hocus are

first time going through something, but there was people in this year. There was people saying this, there was people saying that. And as a brother who, you went through with Hokas yourself, right, when the whole dropping flag moment came up. We know y'all got good. Now, I know you on him a good. It's really how we got familiar with each other.

Right. Hi, nice to meet you, Adam. Hi, Hocus, I see you. We're going to beat for a little bit in the school. Right? So, Hocus is a very good guy. You know, he's not a bad dude. He changed his ways around, but, you know, there was a situation that me and him went

through, right? Neither here nor there. He felt like I was doing too much with the industry. And I was. You know, to catch myself now. And in the relevance, Hocus was right about the fact that I was just, you know, focusing off. funkmaster flex but in all reality Adam man I'm fans of whoever look I want show support

towards me bro so I was I was big and flex up and I'm still to this day I'll never stop big and flex up you know but there was other things that was said to him that shouldn't have been said that just you know kind of gets my manipulated and in life there's three sides to every story Adam there's your side this my side and the truth the only way the truth can be evaluated is if you hear all sides so you know and we live in a world now where there's like Everyone has their counter narrative for everything and nobody can ever agree on the truth. And these nobodies have strong opinions now.

Yeah. That's another thing. You could be whatever you want to be in social media. I call that EMS. Eight million stories. Even just online, like, for sure, this interview will have a lot of different comments that when you read it,

you will think, like, what planet is this fucking living on? But people are free to inservor shit as well, how they want. You know, they're going to take anything out of context that you say one little thing. And it's a fake world we live in, bro. It's really not real no more. Yeah. You know, people forgot how to interact with each other.

So everybody goes to social media for comfort. That's not a place of comfort. That's a place that likes drama. Yeah. That's not a place of entertainment where your feelings are going to be entertained or you're going to get hurt. That's why I tell anybody like,

if you got something in your life and you want to keep it pure, just don't put it online. You know, you love your kid and you want to keep that relationship sacred and you don't want to be reading comments about them, whatever. Like, just don't post your kid. Right.

You love your parents. Like, even then, like, you know, I've kind of had to think recently because my mom has been a little bit sick. She's been out of the hospital. I think she's good. But just thinking about, like, if my mom passes, why the fuck am I going to post that on Instagram? Yeah, let me tell you something.

You know, like... I've seen that shit, too, with people crying on Instagram, and I'm not going to do that. It's like, that's why I don't wear crosses to represent Jesus' death? Because, like, I feel like I'm mocking Jesus death. He died on a cross. Why would I wear something to represent my Lord and Savior? suffering like that.

To be fair, I mean, I guess their logic would be that it represents the sacrifice that he made to save the people. Right. And I get it too. Yeah. And I understand that, right? As a Christian brother, I just, you know, I don't even like to see I'm Christian anymore. I like to see I try to emulate Christ as a hood nigger.

Right. As a mohers, you know what? God is using you, using me, using him exactly how we are. God don't want me to go try to talk to him about, talk to kids about God and say, hey, how you doing? Do you want to hear about the Lord Jesus Christ? Jehovah's going to try that shit every time. How many times you don't open your door for them?

Right? But if I go to a kid in the street, I'm like, oh shit my nigga, get over here real quick. What the fuck is you doing out here, little, nigga? You don't know. Jesus Christ loves you. He's your Lord and Savior. Do you know he died on the cross for your sins?

My brother, my nigga. Yo, y'all niggas is wild. Because if y' y'all die, you can't go to hell. You could go to sleep and don't fake up. The question is, is just like how you get third or a young kid? Because, like, we all know that, especially the older you get, as ridiculous as it is, to an 18-year-old, a 14-year-old. 45-year-old telling them to stay out the streets

or to keep the nose clean or whatever. It has to respect your gangster. Yeah. He has to look at you like, oh, that niggas just like me. But these kids got short attention spans where you could have done all the most gangsters shit in the world. I don't fucking remember. But you know what happens?

You know what happens, though? And it happened to me. I was one of them kids. I still have a short attention span. But what happens is, the seed is planted. And at the very least, the roots are starting to sink in. Then when I went to prison, the tree started to grow. Right.

And it started to make sense for me. You understand what I'm saying? So now I got the sun hitting me all up in my head and my tree's still growing. But when I deal with negative shit like this, with the Lankees and what was going on, my brother, Hocus, like I said, me, Hokkins is good. Me and the Lankings aren't so good in New York, right?

So now when I talk about that, it's like, yo, bro, my tree stopped growing right now because I'm entertaining negativity. And what happens does it puts a dark cloud and the sunlight cannot go through the seed that was planted. So therefore, I am forced to try to ignore all of this shit. This platform is one of the most important platforms right now. Because people look at it as,

Adam 22 is always trying to come at dudes, come at dudes, oh, don't go over there by yourself. Oh, I'm in Cali by myself. I just met this man yesterday. He's a producer. I just met her four days ago. She's a producer. I'm here to work.

For sure. People talk about Wack 100. Yo, let me tell you something, man. These dudes that people are judged from social media, you don't know these dudes. Until I meet you and shake your hand, now I can judge you for who you are. Not for what social media judges you for.

You think Wack 100 is wrong for exposing these rat niggas? No. Yeah, I mean, they might think he's wrong for some stuff, but I feel like that's probably not. They might disagree with how he goes about exposing people who'll be snitching or whatever, but ultimately, I mean, that is a good project.

People want to know about that, right? Is there any way to expose a rat? He's a f***er rat, right? We do anything about killing a rat and there's a mousetrap, right? That shit is brutal. They eat the cheese and the shit snaps them. So if Wack 100 want to be a little brutal about it,

right? That's how he makes. makes his money. I cannot tell a man how to support his family or how not to support his family. Well, but okay, let's take that statement literally. What if you knew a guy who was like, you know, selling fentanyl and not just to like able-bodied young men,

but to like, you know, moms and kids and shit like that. He got to go. He got to tell that. That mother, I gotta go. We gotta throw him in a bag full of fentanyl and fucking stomp his head off. Here, do this. Some of the people gotta go.

Oh yeah. You know them rapos. Dudes will take perit little girls You know, I was on video And this is another thing I had to explain I knocked the dude out He went up to a fuck guy Like, let's say you for an example, right?

Without the tattoos in you, let's say you look geeky and soft, right? He goes up to your girl and grabs your girl's ass And say, I'll take your bitch, nigga You don't do nothing, but I'm already looking at the nigga Like he's a cornball He was just doing this to do it It was drunk, I show you the video I got the video here

And he gets his head knocked off Damn And a random guy that you just shoot up for it Yeah, it's not there to random guy Because he kept messing with other females He ran by another girl Wade her hair, smack that hair. I'm like, look at this cornball, nigga.

I hit that, yeah. That would have happened to Cali, they would have shot him. Could go down. In New York... In New York, there's a whole bunch of police. I'm in Cali. I only seen one cop car.

Thank you, yeah. Because I spent so much time in New York before I moved here, and I always say that is that people don't understand how f*** up the NYPD is. I've seen so many policing techniques out there that are so much more advanced. to then the shit that you see out here. I remember I was with some kids from London

who came to ride bikes and we're in Bushwick and the fuck UPS truck drives up and all of a sudden you realize this is like an undercover cop UPS truck and they pop out and they're doing a whole sting and all right and the dudes from London are just looking at me like what the fuck?

And I'm like, I'm telling you it's like war here. They are not trying to let you just get away with your hustle or whatever. No, no. They are on you. Now check it. A dude like me. I go around.

Hey, how you doing? If you could say sound positive to the youth, what would it be? I just did 16 and a half years, Adam. Right. I never thought I'd say what I'm about to say right now. Police in New York City love me. Really? That's dope.

Dude, they pull me over to say, New York! Nice. So I have to accept that my negatives turned into positives. All these hating, dick-riding-ass niggas in New York, the ones that are hating and dick-riding, they can have a three-sign with each other, suck each other's dicks for all I can. I don't care about these.

You know why? Because the world is bigger than New York. When you guys understand that in New York? Because I love my city. But when you understand that the world is bigger than New York, you'll take your mind out the fuck. Yeah, it's very easy to be in New York and feel like this is it. Because it's just so dense.

There's just such a distinct culture that it's very easy to just not really even think about what's going on the rest of the world. Two bedroom apartment almost $3,000. Congestion fees. They fucking make us pay taxes for what? To drive. To drive.

In the city now, yeah. What is it? Like 20 bucks a day or something? Yo, man, the streets are all fucked up. You're getting your cars breaking down. They get a ticket because there's no parking. You got four, five people leaning on your car. By the time you walk out in the morning,

you got to worry about getting to an altercation because you're telling those because you please get off my car. And then everybody's rude and disrespectful over there. You say hi to a girl. They're everybody looking at you like, suck my dick. Yeah. I'm tired of hearing girls say suck my dick. Yeah.

The most New York shit ever. Because when they say that, I'd be like, okay, where is it? Yeah. And then they were like, oh, you're a faggot. No, you just told me shut your dick. I know you don't got a dick. That's why I said, okay, where is it, bitch? Yeah.

What's what we doing over here? I hop in the time machine at him. They don't believe in time machines, but I do. I went to prison. It was 2016. Yeah. I came home to the future. Yeah.

I didn't know how to tap. I didn't know who was who. Yeah. I didn't know anything. Let's go back to the beginning though Tell me about exactly where you were growing up And what life was like So I'm from Brooklyn Marlborough Projects

And growing up You know, I grew up I was like the only one of the Spanish people My family was the only Spanish family But what neighborhood is Marlborough Project? Coney Island, Cooney Island area Slash Bess & Hearst. I lean more on the Bessonhurst side though

Because I get locked up I go to their precinct so But Coney Island is not soft Oh no Coney Island is one of the worst places in Brooklyn It's pretty crazy right Yeah they sweep it under the rug Like they do with Orlando's crime scene

because of Mickey Mouse. So the same kind of concept is a landmark. You know, so they sweep that under. Coney Island sounds like a nice place. Yeah. You hear that. It's like, you know, you get this nice boardwalk and everything.

It's all ganged out. Yeah. They'll fucking leave your body under the ballwalk. Kids are going in the morning to go fucking sneak and smoke blunts under the boardwalk to try to not get caught by truancy back in the days and find bodies. I've seen some shit growing up. Really? So, you know, the thing is this.

It don't matter where you from is where you at. That shit is true. I could get left out here. I could get left in the Hubbard, I could get left anywhere. Especially in Brooklyn. Right. So now most rappers die

from where they're from. Oh, yeah. You know? Pop Smoke got killed in Beverly Hills. Bro. Talking about one of the most nicest places in California. Yeah.

That was pretty shocking, to say the least. Not because, I mean, if you're a rapper, like there's a weird thing that happens where I have dudes like from Chicago, they're in the craziest gang beef ever. Like they are going to die if they stay here. And then they move to Atlanta or L.A. or whatever.

And these are very gang-banging-ass places as well. But it's not your gang politics. So you basically just have this fresh start. Oh, you're 21. Boom, you're in this new place. And if you want to be neutral and not get into any issues with anyone, you can do that. And it's kind of crazy, like, just to see these dudes who just get this new lease on life.

Because now they understand what it's like to be able to go outside. and get a coffee and not have to think about somebody lurking in the bushes to kill him, you know? Right, that's true. That's the fact. Yeah, it's crazy. Let me tell you something though, Adam. I like people to be who they are.

You're white, right? Yeah, yeah. You don't act like a black man. Right. I'm Spanish. I don't act like a white dude. I see you have an Oriental man here or whatever. I do believe he's Mexican, but yeah.

Salvadorian. Salvadorian. He don't act like a Mexican. You understand what I'm saying? Thank you. He really appreciates. So, if I roll, he do appreciate that. Because it's a big separation.

Yeah, yeah. Now, I got to say this. Latin Kings and New York need to start acting Latino. Instead of trying to be blood. So once again, I want to apologize. I'm using this platform to the whole KMC army. Anybody that's not from New York, Whatever I'm going through with New York guys,

I apologize for the disrespect. Now, I'm going to do that as a man. You know why? Because back then, everybody had their peoples, and I liked that I could go to the white people and do fucking white business as a Puerto Rican with all their white people around. You understand that?

Yeah. Now, I don't mean to fucking make this a racial thing because it's not. But, bro, in order to be respected for what you are, you have to be what you are. You can't be blood, you're Latin King. Be who the fuck you are. bring your peoples together.

Without your peoples, you are nothing. You're nothing. You grew up around all Latin King shit. Was that like the culture in your neighborhood? No, it wasn't. The culture was blood. Okay, okay. The culture was blood.

I'm from a blood hood. Are you from a very, like, mixed area with Hispanic and black people? No, just straight black people. Oh, okay. So you were a rarity. I am a rarity. I stuck to my culture.

I could have been blood. Right. You know that. And everybody who's from New York knows my hood Marlboro is a blood hood. Okay. Everybody knows that. And the reason why I feel the importance of wanting us to express that is because

I have people in Chicago calling me. I have people in besides L.A., calling me like, yo, the shit you said about the Latin Kings. Put an address on that, bro. Don't make it look like it's all of us. And they write, it's not all of them. Okay. It's the New York City, specifically New York City ones.

Okay. My right-hand man got murdered named Valentin Rivera-Dia. He was for Donald Trump's Jr.'s wife. She's in office right now. This is all out there. And I said Trump had the story. Oh, oh, who, you know, it was all there. His name is D.L.

And Trump came. They gave him a disclosure. They gave him some money to shut his mouth, right? And this is all there. So when my right-hand man got murdered, they went and started stealing from him. He had about IPC paperwork on me that I gave him from jail to protect me,

involuntary protective custody. There states that, hey, Mullah did not sign in. He was actually placed in. under his own will from the police. So he had that they went, stole his guns. Another bro started marrying his sister. He didn't have nobody around his family. He kept that gang shit separate.

You heard what Biggie said, keep your family in business completely separated. Money and blood don't mix like no chicken, two dicks, fighting itself as serious shit. So when my man died, and I seen all the betray. My shit broke my heart, man. Sorry for your loss, brother.

Yeah, man. For real, man. That's dude was one of the realest dudes I've ever met in my life. You heard, he didn't like the fuck. And I'm gonna say now there's monkeys in every race. And the white race, the Spanish race,

the Indian race, it's fucking animals in every race. He didn't say black. Oh, the black race too. Well, that's kind of the loaded one. They're the ones who actually would be pissed off. They take everything literal right now. Well, no, that's the stereotype

that they've been dealing with for hundreds of years. For hundreds of years. But now, right, like, I didn't say black because I forgot to, but there's monkeys in the black race too. Right. Now, I took it away from the black race because that's the racial word. You fucking monkey.

Right. Oh, but I've seen a lot of Puerto Rican monkeys. I've seen a lot of white monkeys too. There's Albanian monkeys in the fucking jungle. Albino. I said, Albania, excuse me. Oh, my ABI. Shut up.

Big body best. Big body best. That's a good Albania. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. For sure. Fuck with best. Wait, okay, so you're growing up. You're from Blood Hood.

How do you become interested in the Latin Kings? Did you just start kicking it with them? No, so my whole family's king. My uncle's king, this. But that was just inspired from that. Like, you know, you look up to your family members. I had an uncle named Taz, rest in peace. My uncle Taz, I was inspired.

He was official, nigga, tough. What, nigga, Monterey? And he threw that, he'd be like, yo, my crowd represents my people Latino. They were with Latinos. They acted like Latinos. We heard music. Can't let you go, my love,

barbecues, and, you know, real good music, satsa music. These kids are all listening to Drew music. They forget their way. Go back to your culture, man. Go back to good. I'm telling you, it's all part of that shit. Yeah.

A lot of people losing their way is the music industry too. Yeah. That's making people think that that's the, like. I remember I was in the studio and there was some random-ass dude. You know, he wanted to be a rapper as a random-ass kid. And he just starts like, starting to just really complain to an extent where I was like, bro, like, why the fuck you're telling me all this shit? But then I'm listening to him and I'm realizing.

that he's telling me how he feels like he can't be a rapper because he don't got no bodies. You don't got no like street shit to talk about. And I'm just sitting there thinking like, what a predicament to be in. That like you feel like the only way for you to be known as a rapper

is to have done things that will get you 35 years in prison. And this kid is like so, you know, he's just like kind of realizing like he probably dreamed about being a rapper for 10 years. And he's like realizing that nobody wants to hear him. talk about clothes, drip, whatever. Nobody cares.

It's a hard time in the rap game in general now. Nobody cares. Because everybody's numb to all the violence shit. But look, I could talk violence, you ready? And still make a hit. You ready? You ready? I've been selling cocaine, herring on the law.

Dipping from the police, swearing on parole. Living in the fast lane pedals to the floor. I don't need a shootout myself. Let it go. Nigger got a go. And the niggas got her go. Hollows hit your temple. That's a body on parole.

Give me Amber Rose I'm gonna fuck her till she broke If the music shit don't make it I'm gonna make it selling coke No Okay Stuck up in the dog gang Making money switching lanes

Real nigga fuck lames No game Stuck up in the coke gang Some melody that minors Or negative But it was the melody You see It made you

It made you wanna So these kids Now what you say That phrase that they've been telling us for years It's how you say it Why you think 50 cents It's 50 cent.

Hmm. Yeah. He was talking the same shit everybody else was talking realistically. And the melody. But he was really, really talented.

He had the melodies, even his whole mixtape run before he was going crazy. Hot. He was going crazy. Hot. Then also, he had the story.

Back in the day when getting shot was enough. Now you've got to shoot people. Right. Now you've got to have bodies. You can't be an almost pack. You've got to have some packs that you created.

I'm only trying to like think of like a dope 50 bar and I can't even like pick one. Baby if you give it to me, I give it to you. Now he remakes, baby if you get on your knees, put me in your mouth and suck me off. Like that's 50. You in the house with what, nigga, why? Do you in the house with walk, blah, walk, walk?

It's the energy. It's the sound. It's the facts. Bro, but I was, I listened to a random ass 50 and Tony A song the other day. and it just like hit me like you know when you listen to a rapper and I got this feeling in the new push-she-ste-the-al album too

where you listen to a dude rap but you just realize like there's absolutely no way that he's just talking shit like he really was in the streets having guns and doing crazy-ass shit and like some of those bars they used to be sitting on those mixtapes

were like the kind of bars that you just don't get from somebody who doesn't live this and that push-sy thing too he's talking about which switches fit on which guns better I'm like, oh, this guy really all his shit about jail,

he's like, you know, this yard's soft so I'm not gonna bring my knife, I'm gonna just keep my lock and all this shit. I'm like, oh, please, that shit was a corny shit he could have said. Nah? Because he was on a corny yard.

I was just like, you know, it's just fucking hell, right? Yeah, yeah. But he's fresh out, so he's still got all this shit in the line. I'm fresh out. He's talking about he's gonna cut up his locker. 1090 Jake said that the lot,

that's too loud. You can't make a, banger out of your, out of your locker, I guess. It's too loud. I just did it. I just did it. You did? Ready?

I started it off in Rikers. Tadica. Flex is spinning over. Yeah, yeah. That's how I started it. Crazy. Off my fucking knock up. Bang it, bro.

Damn. But the difference in me and other artists is I went outside and believed in myself. Confidence is the key to success. I didn't give myself an excuse me on. Let me tell you something that you're going through with your mom. I meant to talk about this, right? So when you hit me out yesterday, my heart dropped when you text me that. Right.

I sure did. And I'm going to tell you right now, I lost my mother. She was 47 years old. She was born 1973. I was in upstate box in the box when my mother passed away. And let me tell you something. So everybody who lost their mother out there, man, I'm sorry, man. You need gall or whoever's your biggest comfort when you deal with a death like that.

Losing my mother is a hole in my chest that's never going to get filled. Do you want to stand that? This is why I changed my life around because she said you like jail. That shit got, you can't be fun to you. like promise me one thing. Like my mother knew she was going to go. Do you think it fucked you up way worse that you weren't able to be there

in her last moment? She died out Mother's Day. Oof. Wow. 2000, 22, May 7th. Go back, that's when Mother's Day. And you were only two years away from getting up then. I was a year away I thought,

and then, you know, when I lost my mother, I lost it in there. So I did another year. You know what I mean? And one dude played with me. I wasn't hearing words. I just wasn't trying to talk to this, nigga. Wow.

And I blazed him. I lost my good time. Damn. So, you know, when you lose your mother, man, God forbid anybody in this room, please, please don't lose yourself. Understand that mommy has to go to the next level and if you believe in God and if she tells you,

she's the mother that tells you all the time, you'll keep God first. You know, Adam, make sure you always praise the God. Adam, Adam, Adam, and you always, you're always going to hear your mother say, Adam, Adam, Adam, Adam. And you just have to, Adam, bro. I promise you, man, you just have to make sure

that you make peace and you forgive anything, bro. Yeah. Because when you lose your mom, you just want to forgive everybody that you had a problem with, man. Like when my sister texted me last night and told me my mom was in the hospital, it was like for that,

this moment, it's like I realized that I have had this big warm blanket of love wrapped around me, my whole life that is my fucking mom. And that like, as soon as she said she was in the hospital and there was like a moment where like,

we really didn't know if it was going to be okay, if it was like, you know, bad. It seems like it's pretty good now. Like I think she's going to be all right. But there's just a moment where it's like I felt that blanket lift up off of me. And all of a sudden I felt like, oh, like living life without that constant acknowledgement that you have this person that's loved you so much from the instant that you entered the world. I mean. Yo, Adam, I almost cry.

Just hear me you say that. Right. This is a very touchy. What the fuck. Dude, this is like the most touchiest subject you could get on because losing a mother. It's the hardest thing that I've ever went through in my life. Yeah. Because, you Adam, there's nobody like you said that could ever say your name.

The way you hear her say your name when she don't see you. Adam! Oh, the way she touches you and hugs you, bro. Look, I got chills. So when you did that yesterday, Adam, when you text me, I say, you know what, man? God bless you. I pray for her. And I know this interview can't be so long because you got to get back to that.

No, that's good. I mean, but that's the weird thing, too, is that now she's saying and she don't want me to come see her right now because she don't feel like she's put together or whatever. And I'm like, listen, I got to fucking come see you. Go see her. Stop it. Yeah.

They always try to be strong, this strong lady that's, don't worry about me, baby. Just you do you, I'm okay. No, I told my grandmother the other day. Right. Switch these. I'm not, I'm doing it for a reason. I'm doing it for a reason because I'm going to come back.

I'm bad, Bobby. I'm doing it because I want her complexion is in there. in this video. Yeah. My grandmother looks like an Indian woman. She's Indian. Okay.

So my grandmother is short. She's this and I told her, Grandma, I'm reaching success in my life. Soon, you gotta go. You can't be living in the projects where I grew up at. Do you feel like realistically she could ever become a target or something?

Is that a realistic consideration? Yeah. You see, dudes in New York, man, I don't know about Cali. I can't talk about Cali. But I've known dudes in New York that their mother opened the door, the, the peephole and got shot through the peephole. Damn, that's fucking.

That's some coward out of shit, huh? Yo, these dudes, do you know what it is? These dudes will be big bloods, big Crips, kings, whatever they want to be, and they'll tell a little young kid who they feel like there's a dojo, a nigga that just don't listen to the nation and just like he looked like a bozo, and they'll send that bozo to do a gangster's job. And what happens is the bozo fuck up. They know.

They don't care. These kids are impulsive. This is why I made the positivity for the youth because by the time we see a problem now, see back then when we was bad, dudes see it. We outside. They were like, you get over here, Adam.

You'll trust. Get the fuck. What the fuck is you doing, man? Cut the shit out. Now the doge just see guns blaring and bullets flying because the problem is done here. Yeah. All the beef is already done

by the time these kids come outside to execute. Yeah, it's crazy how much the phone amplified that shit. I might not be able to go back. to New York right now. Really? You know, and I'm not scared to admit that. So you stay somewhere else?

Got it, okay. Yeah, but you know what's crazy? I went to Florida to just go on a self-tore positivity. Yeah? Like by myself with $100 on me. Did you fucking hate it? No. I hated the drive.

Florida is, there are cities that have some culture and some shit going on, you know? But there's a lot of Florida that is just the most stock, boring, strip-mulling, strip mall suburban shit that as much as it might be a good idea from a tax perspective and everything, I don't know,

I just feel like I'd probably be taking years off my life having to live in a place that got no energy. I kind of feel that. Which again, there are cities that are dope as fuck. Orlando's cool. But the thing is, with Florida, it's a good place to live. Just live.

Yes, for retirement communities, which is a huge percentage. Live. You pay $1,400. You're going to get three bedroom big fles. Cali's the most expensive place I've been to. I think Cali's more expensive than New York. Especially when you consider how New York is stacked on top of each other

and Cali's like spread out but then still is basically just as expensive. That's all the gas prices and lost his mind. Not only that, I bought a fonta yesterday. It was $3. I got two of those in New York. I thought a dollar 50 was too much. For real? For the fonta, $3 in the yeah, man. That's interesting.

Because I feel like New York like grocery and bodega price. were always pretty shocking to me. That's how I felt about Cali. I said, why I was fucking cheaper in New York, man? Well, you get more for your buck. Quality is better here. You even said that about the food.

Yeah, because you eat organic all there. Me, I go for the cheapest thing. She won't let me. Oh, organic. I was like, all right. That's real. I was eating Modega food the whole time I live in New York. And now, I mean,

organic shit and healthy-ass food all the time. But then when I go back to you, to New York, it's like bacon, egg and cheese for breakfast, and then I won't eat for seven hours, and I'm like, oh, I forgot how fucking good. That bagel is it just sits in your stomach. Takes care of you all day. That's the OG, OZemphick.

Makes you stop eat. You just eat the bagel, you don't want to eat for a long ass time. We don't have that here. The bagel culture. Nah, but I feel like the bagel culture in the valley and shit, I've been seeing it prosper. There's a lot of trendy bagel spots. Are they actually good? Are they $40 for

one bagel? You just took me to one. I've seen a $40. bagel out here. 40? It has salmon and locks and all these bells and whistles. Yeah, you didn't see a $40 a baggie. You see the $4 salmon hooked up bagel. Yeah. I mean, I don't blink when I go to the UC Boys truck and they got like a $15 bagel or

something. I don't even blink, but it does, you know, it's got that real good quality. It means not just like one egg and two tiny pieces of bacon and I get it costs more. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You can't trust every Hobbybee store, man. You can't?

And in New York, you can't trust every Arabic store. For real? Nah, man. Put it like this, man. If I walk in a store and I see a cat sitting on top of a bread, I don't really want to eat them. I don't like the bodega cat? Nah, I don't like the bodega cats.

I call them boddies, nah. Another baddies. Another baddiega baddies, but nah, I don't like that. It's cat hit. I mean, they shed, his fur, his hair all over there. But I like it because, like, having a cat is such a pain in the ass, but then, like, having a cat that you get to see at the bodega every day or two. It's just a nice moment.

It's an honorary pet. I guess you could look at it like they eating the rats. They do, yeah. We're mouth free, but... Wait, all right, so when would you say you jumped off the porch, for real, and started moving around? So, for real, for real, I got locked up incarcerated at the age of 16. Okay. You know, like, like, gone.

For a long time. Like gone. Okay. And then I did, like, four out of that, came home. And then... And that was for, what, a robbery or something? That was for a whole bunch of other shit that they sent us to me for robbery, escape. I escaped from a juvenile detention center.

Wow. So when I escaped from the juvenile detention center, I was 16. I got like the 15, I was 16. I threw myself in a sanitation truck. Did you go right back in the hood after that? Yeah. And they probably were looking for you there?

Yeah, I turned myself in. Because they're going to kill you. My sister was crying and my stepfather. So after I turned myself in, yeah, I threw myself in a sanitation truck. It was Black History Month, and I was working in the mess hall. I told a dude from the Bronx

throw me in the garbage can and tie me in. So I'm in the bag. In the bag. Yeah, I'm in the bag. He tied me in it. He said, yo, be easy, my nigga. Yo, you know, I gotta help you up. Come, the Sanchez truck closed.

They made his rush the garbage out because the truck was coming. Yeah. So I went back in. They're not paying attention that they think we're both back inside, right? And the truck picks me up. Throws me in the back. You ever see when they throw the, when the garbage truck comes, and it's got, like, the giant, like, thing that's crows.

brushing everything. I'm getting there. So that shit starts doing that. It starts doing it. I didn't know that that was going to happen. What? That is a really important thing to think about. I was very impulsive.

So I didn't think. And I didn't know that I just thought if I was a kid, man. I just thought that that shit goes in the machine. I'm in the projects. We don't see sanitation trucks like that, right? They come in with sleep when I got school in the morning. Okay.

So I didn't think the truck was going to, like it could destroy anything. You could throw a friggin' mini fridge in there and it's going to go. So I've heard the noise that I'm describing Mind you that's the machine lifting the can of When they eat the garbage on yeah, it ate truss mullah right And then the machine started going

I'm getting anxiety right now promise you a heart I promise you all in my rap sheet so whack 100 dig it up They go yeah She goes Starts crushing me I said fall in Jesus please I felt the pressure of my body I thought I was done the machine that's go Really

So maybe it's got like a setting that like you can tell if there's a human or I found it out especially those trucks. So? Jesus saved my life. The Lord saved my life. It just stopped on its own. It stopped and it opened back up. When it opened back up, I opened the truck and I started screaming. Azam!

Me Jesus! There wasn't a person operating. It was automatic just. Oh, it was a person operated. Trucks don't drive these stuff. This is 2005. But you don't think that that guy pressed a button that stopped it from. chewing you up, eating you.

No. No. Because right there, he would have stopped the truck and told the jail that somebody back there. He got out the gate. And it had to be his last stop because I don't care where I was at.

Because me trying to get out, it took me that long to get out the garbage to try to, like, I'm swimming in garbage now. Yeah. Trying to get out the truck to make it to the front. By the time I made it,

the truck had slowed down. I ran out. I started running out here. Boop, boop, boop. All right, sirens. I hop in a douche truck. He had metal poles in the truck. Imagine a truck with a flatbed, right?

The back with a wooden gate around the truck. There was horseshoes, bro. He was delivering horseshoes. It was metal poles coming out. I never seen a horseshoe truck in my life to this day. So I had metal poles going up where horseshoes on it stacked. Like, for sure. I went in, it was a white dude.

I went inside his truck. I said, yo, bro. He said, He said, boy, the police are chasing me. He said, oh, what the fuck, bro? He looks back. He said, yo, boy, get the fuck now. God down.

He said, oh, they fucking really look at him. He said, you smell like shit, too, bro. Oh, my God. Oh, my, whoever this right dude is, man, if you remember this story, Bo? I love you, bro. I pray you alive. He was a hardworking man.

I pray you alive. Wow. And you're wearing the jail clothes or whatever, so is it, like, super obvious that... It's 10, yeah. I'm wearing the juvenile jail equipment on. Yeah. So he's seen, he's like, oh,

but this dude, you could tell you, obviously he was the white dude tell he wasn't no fucking. He had a rough life before. So he takes me to the furthest train station in the Bronx. I asked him to do me that favor. And then he goes to telco and buys me an outfit. Wow.

Thank you again. Legend. He's a fucking legend. That's a good white boy right there. Yo, when I fuck, thank you, Beau, I'm telling me, I'm a normal as you. Got you. And so then how did you actually get home?

I took the fucking train. Oh, my God. He paid for the train. Oh, sick. It was $1.50 back then. He said, here's $3, kid. Wow. You said, don't hop the train whatever you do

And get the fuck out of dogs If I was y'all, I'd be going to Mexico Yeah, that's what I was thinking You gotta like not go to your block But you're 16, who the fuck you know? I went to my block Yeah I just wanted to smoke weed and fuck

The little bitch that I had That I was worried about cheating on me Because I was a little tender dick Don't know no better First time of jail My love of my life with my girl Wait, how long were you in before you escaped Four months

Oh my God So I don't know who she fucking is sucking Definitely suck somebody else's dick You had to take a shower before you saw her though I didn't even get a chance to see her Oh They caught you like that day I went in the house

Took a shower My stepfather came in with my sisters They were crying like there was no tomorrow I told them let me get some purrs Then they just started crying some more They gotta kill you And I was like Wow

So you were 9-1-1 and I turned myself for that Guess what though? What? I thought I was going back To the juvenile shit Okay No

I'm right to the precinct right That precinct was so tired of me they went, Happy birthday to you! They gave me a piece of cake and everything, the police. I'm not lying to you. Just because they were going to send you

somewhere worse? They said, I'm adult now, 16. I went to Rikers Island. Wow. And so they were kind of clowning you as in like, hey, enjoy this.

They're like, you ain't going to get out of this one. Yeah, have fun with these. Have fun with these. I went to Rikers Island and out of lessons when I talked about this is where I turned king at. This is where I made it official.

Even when I was born in a lifestyle. Right. But you were young. It's young. Being born in a lifestyle is not, does it make me a land king? It makes me aware of what the land kings are. Right.

But you probably would have got put on, but it happened in jail. Yeah, it happened in jail for me. So I was on the verge of like, fuck the bloods, actually. And then it wasn't from me too much. The way it was moving, being each other up. It wasn't like family-oriented.

Okay. It wasn't like a brotherhood. But was your version of the Bloods? Like, in the project that you grew up in, it was all black dudes or was it they had Spanish people. It was not too money but they had. It was very rare. At that time in 2005 it existed

but to be a Spanish blood you had to put on more than a black blood. Because you had to prove that you really wanted this shit. Yeah, because in LA like a Mexican dude who's a blood like we would all be shocked like everybody'd be paying attention to him. He's viral offer it. Like we gotta know about this dude, you know?

That's just like so out of the ordinary, you know. People love that shit. I know a Mexican dude who's, or a black dude who's in a Mexican gang, everybody want to talk about that. I know a white dude in a black gang, everybody want to talk about this fool. You know, it's just so fascinating to people.

Right, right. I mean. And he's a Puerto Rican here in L.A. That's like a unicorn. Yeah, Puerto Rican, they don't know about that. I hear, yeah. Nobody knows what that is. Seriously?

It's just like almost every, yeah, almost every Hispanic person is basically going to be Mexican in L.A., I would feel like occasional, you know, you'll meet people from other places, but it's not very, very, common, yeah. That's how I was when I was in Baltimore, Maryland.

I did time out there, too, being a Lion King. I went to Baltimore, Maryland. We had a tribe out there. And I ended up going incarcerated over there. When I went into their jail system, they were like, you a Doug? I said, what is it, Doug? I thought it was a show. Remember the cartoon show?

Doug, dude, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do. That I'm quell man. Put the belt on your head with the underwear. That was my shit, man. So he's like, yo, you a Doug? I said, man, what's that? I said, man, what the fuck? The Doug?

He said, little Doug. I said, you mean a dog? A dog? I'm like, what's that? That was how they identified a gang called DMI or BGF. Black guerrilla family or which is, and then DMI is a white group. They're together with the black guys in Baltimore.

So Dead Men Incorporated is the white guys. They got DMI with the pyramid and O.C. and I. And then you have BGF, black gorilla family. That comes from, you know, the culture of some dude who died. I don't really know. They represent 276 for the letters BGF, second letter, alphabet, seven, But the blacks and the whites are tied in

and then they just beef with the Hispanics? They beef with the Crips. Oh, okay, okay. They beef with anybody. No, no, no. No, they cook with the Crips. They beef with the Bloods. So the way the Bloods are in New York,

you see how they're powerful when the Crips are not. Like, they look down on the Crips. Yeah. Which is kind of the opposite of L.A., where the Bloods feel like the minority. Yeah, L.A. is the opposite? Yeah, there's like way more Crips.

Same thing in Baltimore. It's more Crips than Bloods, so the Bloods is, like, outnumbered. You know? Yeah. Crazy scenario. So you get into Rikers, which, you know, just recently I interviewed a dude who was like a Stephen, who was like a corrupt guard there. He was like telling me some crazy-out story about he caught a huge Fed case for sneaking drugs in the prison and shit like that.

But you get into that environment and is it just cracking from day one? Like how was it for you? Was it outrageous? Were you having to think about getting stabbed or stabbing somebody all the time? And Mike's Island, bro, it was straight gladiator school. Yeah. Like in 2005, like, you see this chair you're sitting on? Back then, if I sat on anything other than a chair,

they can stay saying you sitting on iron dick. So they have tables that are placed in Rikers Island that don't move, that solder to the floor with a metal bench. Whoever sits on that is considered a dayroom, nigger. Now, a day room person in their eyes is somebody who don't have a chair. So this chair is stacked. So what you have to do, I didn't know this is my first time on Rikers Island. I didn't grab a chair.

I sat on the iron dick. You get it? So I didn't know that I was sitting where the day room nigger sit. So when I sat on the foot on the metal chair seat, that's for everybody. All the tough niggas is looking at all. He with it. He with it.

Now, if you're with it, that means you're going to give up your commissary, your sneakers, everything. So I'm looking at niggas. What you mean? I'm with it, though. What y' y'all talking about? Me not really being a day room,

nigger, not really being, you're like, shut up. Nigga, you sit on the fucking dayroom dick, nigger. I'm like, oh, hold on, who the fuck you're talking to? That's so crazy to have these very specific rules and then be like, we're not telling you about it. And then if you break the rule, we're just going to like completely assassinate your character.

So I got up, who the fuck you're talking to? When I got up to go approach. And you're 17? I'm 16 on the dock. 16 still, okay. In my first crib, when I go up to approach, you see 7, 8, 9 dudes to get up, start popping on me. Immediately.

The same dudes that were sitting on the same way I was sitting on. They called Dayroom Pop-Off Dummies. They were calling them iPods, international pop-off dummies. Wait, so even though these dudes were like damn near punks, right? Is that basically what you're saying? But they would still fall in mind? They were the ones that were scared of the tough, tough guys or the guys who they thought were tough.

And they were putting in their work for points for clout. That was the first cloud chases. Dayroom niggas and Rikers Island were. first clout chases wow and could those dudes like graduate to be in the sort of up echelon tough guys squad at some point or maybe not um yeah they can graduate to be the tough guys okay they ended up a few of them ended up taking the cribs so every crib belongs to one dude and his team now if you're tough you're gonna take that crib from that dude right so i didn't know none at that time i just got beat up i went to myself they gave me a shirt because i had blood

over me. The CEO came, you holding it down. I'm like, what you mean? You mean? You, what you want? You want to fight too? You want to fight me too? Suck my dick. The seal was like, no, you need medical attention or not. You're holding it down. Now, if you say you need medical, you tell it. That's telling just to want to go get stitched up. To go get want to get any type of attention. Wow.

Or you want this Tylenolano and you stay here in the crib. I said, well, I ain't no right. Give me the fucking colonel. Hey, hurrying, blood, bleeding. But you couldn't say I fell out. off the top bunk or something? No. You could, but they're not stupid. So now they go and say

there was no top bunk because they had single cell. So they're not stupid. They know it was a situation. I've just heard a lot of gangsters just making up bullshit. So the CEO told me, I like you.

Really? That's so crazy that they play into it, too. They play into it. They're anti-snitching, they're pro-tuff guy. Because from their perspective, of course, they don't want their homies

snitch on them, so they got to respect you nuts. So what happened was, she told me the game. Mama G. I'm Mama G, that's CEO, though. Shout it out to her, though. I don't hate her.

She told me that be tough a little bit. So Mama G's a captain now. She's a captain on Rikers Island. Lieutenant, she's big now. She was a CEO at the time. There was rumors of her being Cripped. And I was in a Crip house. War Child, it was a different time.

Playboy was a different time. And she said, listen, my boy, you just need to go out to cell and do what you did before. Keep doing it and keep doing it. Don't worry. You got my support. Meaning, keep going out there and making it clear you're not a pussy.

Keep fighting. And if I get beat up, it is what it is. I'm coming back. Coming back. That's how you get the respect. That's how you get the respect. So I went out my cell. Either way, I was going to do it anyway.

I didn't need how to tell me that. Right. The motherfucker jumped me. One dude that jumped me was actually in my next door neighbor. I knew because when he went to the cell, he looked at me and grilled me and started laughing. Wow. So you're in there, you're young as fuck.

You're just realizing these are some. of the most cut-throat assholes ever ever mind you now mind you with the Crips come to find out they're more lenient even though you hear all this crazy shit right they were more lenient so let me finish so i come on myself and i started all getting on again i get it on with a dude named cereal that was for my that was for my spot because that CEO set it up with like all right you jumped in four times already he needs a chair um i i like him she set the tone for a one-on-one fight finally from me. We go in the corner. I'm like, what up, bitch? Suck my dick, faggit.

I spin the nigga face all out. We start getting it. I got the best of him. I didn't take his shit. I earned the chair. So now I'm not sitting on dick no more. In other words, that's what they call you. Fawls, but yeah. Yeah, you're sitting on iron dick if you sit on that fucking thing. Now mind you, the first time I sat on it, once I found out, they called that chair dick. I didn't sit on it no

because of the no homo shit these dudes nowadays you can't see I want a fuck hot dog oh no homo your city created this for the record yeah no no epidemic that's my city I take it over the whole world yeah that's my city no ditty gang no ditty

we went from no homo which is kind of in your face to pause to pause and you know a yo no ditty no freaky and a yo a is the most subtle one it's like you're gay about me saying it. I like a yo better. Because it's funny. You can say it around normal people.

Hey, yo, everybody's starting to look at each other. It's kind of funny. You can say it around normal people and they're going to get what you mean, but it doesn't come off like you're this homophobic monster. Also, let's just acknowledge that the white person version of this

is that's what she said. Yeah. That's what she said. And so I didn't want to sit on dick. That's what she said. Boom. That's the white guy version. Yeah, we use that too.

That's what she said. We use it too. All the fucking time. Yeah, yeah. That's a great one. All right, so, like, then you start to feel like they're kind of, they're f***ing you. Even though you're young, like, they're starting to embrace you. Like, Damme, you got the warrior spirit.

All right, we got to fuck with you. So that happened, and it was a king dude at the time. So long story short, after I was in that crib for a while, something really, really crazy happens where, you know, they catch a body there. So they separate all of us, right? Moving forward, they put me in one up and north. Mind you, I got escape, so I have to go to cribs. houses areas where there's police escort.

I can't get a pass and say, here, go to the clinic, you can go. Right. So I alert on you. I have to go to high-classification cribs. Oh, bad. Every criminal records is bad, but this is even worse. This is where the toughest or the toughest is.

They send me to something called one up a north side, captain restraint. The bloods gave me a worse of time in the cribs. Really? So now you've got to go through this whole thing again? All over. But I'm not sitting on I in thick this time. Now I'm going in there walking in there,

to me. So as you working, where the fuck you go? And who you, boop, boop, boop. First nigga to run his mouth. It ain't me. Who you talking to? Ain't more talking no more.

I know how to move now. So I got to jump like seven, eight times in that crib. You know, every day I hit one of the big homies. Nah, this is going to drill you every day now. He ain't lying. Every day to my. Wow.

And so they're just. They fucking out too. I can't. I can't. Wait, but like, okay. So they have to go crazy hard. on you for being a king. No, not, not, not that when I went in the crib

and went up on the north side, the dude whose crib it was, he was the one that came up to me, what the fuck you doing? Try to show his strongness and his machismo-ness and I popped on him. To this day, I never got the chance to get a one-on-one fight with him, so I don't know if I would have really won that.

But all his little minions, once again, jump me. So, okay, you do how many years during that initial bid, because then you get out and then you catch a way longer? So that bit right there was part of the escape. I did four. I went home. I did like three and a half, though,

close to four. I went home and then my cousin knocked the dude out, robbed him. I came out the store and told me that the dude touched his girl's ass. So I'm thinking whatever the fuck I think. Now, let me rephrase to show you. He knocks my cousin out. Okay.

So I just don't know what's going on. I knock him out. When my cousin gets consciousness, it hits him again, boom, and robs him. The next day, police him, criming, Stanton Island you, that happened in Brooklyn. I'm living in Staten Island, my uncle, my cousin ratted.

Faggot-ass, nigga. At that time, I don't think nothing of it. But I catch on you on parole. This happened past your curfew. 90 days past you ain't locked up. And then what happened to your warrant? I seen you want it when I went to the precinct, bro. Once you walked it, you got to get that clear by a judge.

I don't give a fuck you all. Right. So he told about something else. I'm not stupid. You know, then the truth comes out. It is what it is. I end up coming home being him. Then I go back for drugs.

Okay. And then I do eight years and stand down for selling drugs. So what level of drug operation are we talking? So fentanyl starts getting big around that time. 2016 and you hear about it, but you don't believe that it's in your work. First person I knew died fentanyl's 2017, and that's when it's like, oh, I can't just do pills anymore. Like at that time, Zanz and perks and shit felt like a game. It was nothing.

Let me tell you something, man. Whoever created fentanyl, I pray that borg never exists ever again. I just, that fetonore drug is the worst thing that's happened to the United States of America period. There's more depths on fetonore overdosing. So now fast forward, right? It makes the 80s look so quaint. People just doing crack.

Even dope was safer in the 80s. You go to bed. Yeah, right. It's a different level. Right. So now, mind you, right, I see one of my code D, well, he's not my code D, but I see one of the dudes I was selling twerk to, drugs to.

He starts using his girls' grandmother's fentanyl patches. putting the microwave and scraping it putting fettin on it. I cut him off for that. Wow. You understand what I'm saying? See, my dope didn't have fetid nor had ketamine, which is a sex drug. Right.

A lot of people are big fans of that out here. New York, too? People do ketamine a lot? I used to like to, I used to like to whip me with my dough because if the dope was too powerful, I used to ketamine and keep them up. Wow, okay. You know, it does it like a good,

it keeps it balanced, right? So my dog food didn't have ketamine. That dude that I'm telling you about, he got four of your life, by the way. He's, he got 40 years of life for that. But when I was in jail for that, doing eight years for the dope, I used to be like, yo, I ain't forced nobody to do no drugs. I'm not guilty like that for eight years.

You got me on seven direct sales. I'm the ringleader. You sold over Google. David Ruiz, look me up, right? And I'm like, yo, bro. Then six years passed by, me and jail, I say, you know what? I went to the People's Magazine. I seen three, four pages of deaths.

Dope, man. Dope. Dope. Fat, no, man. And I said, Father, I got a money. This in the name of Jesus, man. I know I don't have the answers to everything. But forgive me for this one.

For this one, forgive me, Lord. Then he let me read a book by John Burke called Imagine Heaven. And that's why I called the Holy Spirit in prison and say, I don't want to be nothing no more. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do that. So when Hocus did to drop your flag movement. So wait, what year was that when you realized, like,

I don't want to be a part of this shit anymore? Right before my mother died. Oh, okay. No, my mother died already, actually. And was that part of it? You think that that's definitely part of it. Because my mother was like, yo, just promise me one thing, man, you'll be there by your kids, man.

I got five boys, you know. Wow, okay. No girls, though. She was like, yo, just make sure, you know. You got a whole basketball team. Yeah, the first of me, I don't have a relationship with them because, you know, the mom at the time, they push it in the head.

You know, I won the case in court, though. How old are they now? One is about to be 16, August 27. I have 11, 10-year-old. I have a 9, who is my son, to another woman, and I have a newborn. Wow. So it was Michael, Ethan, Julius, John, and Josiah.

All boys, man. All men that I have to make sure my words come out clearly on this camera. That's why I wanted to apologize to the other Latin Kings, the KMCs, because that's serious, bro. I could go to go performing. Them dudes could just execute me like Charlie Sheen. I'm not invincible, but I'm not, God, I can't beat everybody, Adam. But I just want my kids to know that there's positivity in their father.

And I'm pushing that. That's that. I'm through music. I think I'm hot. When they come to music, I doubt you heard a good hot New York rapper, like the way you just heard in here. No, you definitely got motion right now, yeah. So, okay, you decided that you want to be done with it,

but you can't really say that while you're in prison? Or can you? So I kind of did say it in prison. It was when I came home and my man got murdered that I ended up, kind of picking it back up. That's the truth. Okay. So I came home and I told the bro,

salute me or shoot me. So all of this politics with this PCIPC, there was 15 land kings when I came out of prison. I told them salute me or shoot me. They all saluted me. When you go like this, you hit your chest two times, you go like that to another king, you look at me your eyes that shows your readiness

and willingness to die for your brothers and sisters and I have to. It's in the lessons. So when they did that to me, they didn't mean it. Yeah. It's obvious. Right? When I was in prison, they all slanded my name. They all spoke about me.

But whenever it was time to stand, up for the nation I did it I went in prison with you I don't care if you was a regular Puerto Rican dude and you wasn't gang banging if somebody jumped you or two black dude three black dudes I want to jump in with you because my crime representing my people Latino I wasn't with the oppression you see the bloods in Jets and New York they started because of Lankees was oppressing the blacks right then they became the oppressors you get it so all of that oppression all that racist shit it builds other movements this is where the bloods was created in New York

because of racism right You know, so that's another thing. I didn't want to worship two masses, so I wanted to leave anyways. But when Hokka did to drop your flag challenge... And that's when you were out. That's when I was out. Yeah.

Now, would you say I supported that man by dropping my flag? Oh, you did, right? Yeah. You were one of like the most well-known people who participated, right? Right. And then I went and continued

to promote positivity. That's why I be telling Hocus, man, because people would think that I don't support Hocus. I supported him more than anybody. Because my life was in danger. And yet, instead of being a gangster with it, and just valet in every land king that that comes at me. I ask people if you can say sound positive to the youthful,

it would be. I would love to get you to say that too. But, you know, I love to get everybody, especially people with a name. Yeah. Because kids look up to them. And no matter what you're on your life, at least your mom,

at least somebody heard you say something positive. You know? And I tell people that, man. I care of you gang bang. You promote that shit. Would you say that the drop-it-flag challenge, which for the people who don't know, basically, Hocus 4th, who we talked about earlier,

he basically decided to try to create kind of like an Instagram format or a hashtag so that people could speak honestly and kind of encourage dudes to leave the gang life behind and in particular, you know, he's a New Yorker, so it's mostly New Yorkers taking part in this. Would you say that the reaction from the public

or the streets was positive or was it not? It was both, but Hocus's mind state really is, let me see if I could get Hocus on the phone real quick. Oh shit. Let me see if I could do that. Yeah, and did you, in some, inspire the challenge? Like, did you drop in your flag kind of pre-

your flag kind of predate the hashtag? Um, kind of, yeah, because, you know, when I, when I participated in the, um, and the drop your flag challenge, um, it was more so, it was more so how I felt about what these Latin kings are doing. And how they're not supporting their people,

how they don't support the bros that go in there, try to fuck your bitch when you go to jail, and try to do all this corny shit. So when I dropped my flag, it was literally to promote positivity. Right? And then, you know, Shot Caller Snook is another name

I don't like to bring up because I don't really like to deal with this dude, right? But he put me on the Hocus. When I seen it, I said, it's an important movement. It was really an important movement for me to drop my flag with Hocus. And, you know, like I said,

Hocus is my brother and his all love, man. And then, but his movement is important. Yeah. You know, so for me and him to go through something, it hurt it to the whole social media because, you know, we need each other. So, yeah, I mean, what up? That's O.G. Tone right there.

What's good, Dad. What's going on? How are you living, Gee? Don't mind my look. I just came from the gym. I was going to say, you're trying to lose some weight or something? You try to sweat it out? Yeah, I got, you know, I got sciatica, bro. So I'm trying to get back. My whole right side is kind of weak.

So I'm proud to get back. But, you know, I'm a gym rat. Add Hocus to the call. Add Hocus to the call real quick. Huh? He's asking you to add Hocus to the car. For sure. And then you could be like, yo, he's letting you know it's all love, man, you know.

This is, you know, this part of dead in the beef, me and Hocus too, right here. Oh, yeah? By the way. Yeah, is that on and popping? I didn't know, yeah, all right. It's on it, probably, kind of, you know. We ain't 100, but, you know, but like I said, I won't shit on him. You ain't hear me this whole interview shit on this man.

Right. You know, and I never shit on Hocus, you know. Hold on, hold on for a minute, because, Hocus has got two numbers, and the number that's, I gotta get to his other number. other number how the fuck do I do that shit just get it together and call me back I'll be here waiting for you and Hocus what's happening all right brother but you know I think part of the the controversy with that or whatever was that the idea of like dropping your flag and no longer being from your hood or your gang or whatever I feel like culturally in New York maybe that made more

sense than people in L.A. or maybe some other cities were able to comprehend it because I feel like there's a sense in L.A. where it's like you can change your life, you can stop gang banging, you can stop shooting people, but the idea of saying I'm not from Roman 60s anymore in L.A., people have a hard time comprehending that that could mean anything other than I told or I got put off or whatever. Like they take it as a unanimously negative thing, which I feel like culturally that's different in New York because maybe like people always say

like New Yorkers will always say about L.A. like, damn, really gangbanging when they're 55. Feel like to be from your hood or to be a gangbanger as you get older is like more normal in L.A. L.A. does not have an identity crisis at him. Mm.

Get it? L.A. knows who they are. They don't try to be the flyest niggas on the block. True. They don't want around like a white girl behind a They're not flashy.

You understand that? That's interesting. So when you see the culture in New York, everybody's a follower. They follow trends. They follow laughs. They follow the coolest, toughest, niggas the way he bop. They like the, yo, it's popping, nigga. They like that energy.

Negative thing. You got the positive people in New York, man. You know, the working people. There's great people in New York. I'm not going to say my city's one of the greatest cities in the world. But the hood part of it. So this is what I say. I got 10 fingers here, right?

10. You take this pinky nail out. Would you care if you lose a pinky nail? I could get over it, but it would be tough, yeah. But you get over it, right? Yeah. That's hood niggas. I still got 10 fingers.

Right. I still got 10 fingers, Adam. What, I lose? A pinky nail? Still got my 10 fingers, man. Right. So, you know, that pinkie nail represents the people trolling me. All your song is dead.

dirt, you fuck you took my dick, oh, you faggated it. Those are the people that don't like me because I went against what's right. I dropped my flag. When you drop your flag, man, you're gonna have enemies. Or you're gonna have people talking at the very least. Did you feel like it was people in your age bracket,

Hayden? Or was it the Y-Ns? Both, both, yeah. Boy, it's sad to see a dude my age talking stupidity. It's sad to see a dude my age from like this and going like this. It's just sad to see it. To be so committed to the gang life

that to see someone changing their life, you would take that as a threat to your life. There's something kind of sad about that. Like, if you want to live that life, I get it. But how could you not look at me trying to change my life and respect it? Exactly my point. And the contrary of it, just to be completely honest,

they did respect it in a sense. Okay. Probably a lot. A lot did. A lot did. They respected, but you could tell that hate was there

and the minute me and Hokas came at it, you know, them dudes came right back out. Ah, he's a fucking, this, that,

he's this, that, he's this, da, da, blah, blah, instead of, let me not get involved

with two men's disputes no matter what they say because there's three sides to every story. Right. Right? Your side, my side,

and you shade again. The truth. Oh, shit, here we go. He called. Are you seen it? Yeah. I think he had the other person.

He had a three-way going on. Was it WhatsApp? It was two different notifications. Yeah, I think one was WhatsApp. Be on point for that. Pick it up, please. So, let me see, call that for you. Now,

yo, man, I don't know what one man can do to try to change the world or try to change his world or his city. But my city is my city. I like the positivity part. Yo, he don't want to get a, on. I'm doing the interview right now.

Both making moves. Tell her for two seconds and say something. Pose the interview. Like, I'm on live on camera. This is Adam 22. This is not, this is not, this is not, what you would call it? What was the lowest?

I don't know. This is not a, uh, I'm here to vouch for what you're doing and where we at and how we're moving. And I could definitely speak and hope it's behalf. along with my own to Adam and, you know, whatever he needs to hear to clear it up, I'm also here for that.

That's why I'm picking up my phone. So I tell Adam, I tell Adam, I tell Adam, I tell him, Hockers is my brother. Adam would tell you I said nothing bad about the man, right? And I'm here, on the contrary, continuing what we spoke about, the piece. And you know, like I know, that me and Hocus is, we're working on all his situation

that's all I can say Am I correct? And that's correct That's 1,000% correct But let me With Adam, let me say something What up? Hey Adam, listen

Look, are you doing your thing, bro? And I'm glad you got a platform That give people a chance To express their self I know you don't know me But I'm gonna say this right And I'm not directing this toward you I know like a lot of things

it's controversial and it helps to generate revenue or whatever we do as a business and all that, right? But I've been around doing a lot of things for a long time. I've been dealing with brothers like trust and focus and just certain people, right? And for me, I'm always about trying to move

forward. Like, I'm about solving problems, not being right and who's wrong. And I just want you to know, like, as far as what I'm trying to do with trust, I'm trying to clean up. the way he used to think. I'm trying to help him be a better.

I'm trying to help him be a better man. I understand that we from the hood. We got, we can say what we got to say and it goes viral and all that. I don't get it to that. You know why? I'm from the, back in the 80s and the 90s,

I caused a lot of destruction. I'm about construction. So for me, right, I look at it as now, instead of us poising in the body with drugs, the phones is poisoned in the mind and I'm not saying that's you but what I am saying is that we have to learn

how to start looking positively how to deal with them and not just react and be reactive because it doesn't sound like it works for me no facts I'm in agreement with you for sure we gotta teach these kids how to handle their problems more maturely

yes like you know what I'm saying look look I'm not here I'm not like no trying to act like I'm here to save the hood and all that, right? But I got a good relationship with a lot of people in the hood from states and gangs and whatever, right? And they know me. And my character is impeccable in the streets.

The music industry, that could be something different. But as far as the streets and how I move, my whole thing is when I came home from prison in 1993, yo, I was all about trying to make sure people don't go through what I went through. So we all want to make mistakes. We all going to do dumb shit. We all going to be whatever. But I think that trust Mueller is a super, super talented person. And I want to see him flourish. And I also want to make this about us learning how to be able to go it just without us not have to put this, even though we got right and wrongs going on. And a lot of times,

there's no adult in the room. Like a brother, like him and no disrespect to him. There's an old saying, if you don't know nothing, you can't do nothing. Once you know better, you're supposed to do better. So what I would like to do is be a person that teaching younger the brothers in the streets who point guns at each, whatever. I want to teach them how to do better. If it work, it worked.

But I don't tell nobody what to do what they like. If you want to be negative, I just can't be around you. If you want to be positive, I'm here to help you. I think I'm resource. I think that I'm resourceful. and I think that at the end of the day, yes, negative creates a lot of content, but I think we also can create content on trying to be positive as well. Facts, I appreciate that, man.

Thank you for those words. Yeah, so, so truck, listen to me, bro. You do your interview and mic meet you at them. You too, man. Yeah, appreciate it, man. All right, so I hope because I kept it grown, man. All right, love. Okay, one thing I just wanted to ask about, though, is,

did you actually go into PC while you were in prison? Like, was that part of your fallout with the Latin Kings? So with the PC situation, I was, it was a riot that went on. Oh. And five points. So, but before the riot, I was keep locked. So the word keep lock is exactly what it sounds like. Keep his ass locked in.

Okay. All right? So I was walking to go eat dinner. I was with a blood dude. While I'm walking with him, two cryptos go to jump him. Now, the only reason I got involved because I was walking with the guy, and he was from Staten Island.

So when I jumped in, I got in trouble. They don't care. In prison, let's say I punched her. Let's say she was a he, though. I punched him right in the face in prison, and the police could see me punching him. We're both going to get a ticket,

and we both going to get key blocked. They don't care right or wrong. Really? Wow. Right? Because they don't know what you did to get punched in the face. just too difficult for them to try to

address who's in the right who's just crazy. It makes no sense, but I guess I get it. So now you have the aggressor gets more time, obviously. You guys recorded? What, what do you mean? Do they record you? In prison, everything's camera. You see them cameras on the wall? They all over.

Just like that. So now, mind you, when that happened, I was keep lock. So the king's getting into a riot, right? There was, let's say there was 20 folds in his yard and five points. The police added 10 more because they needed more phones, right? During that time, the bloods

want three, four phones, the kings want, now mind you, the kings, it was only like seven of us. We was good with rocking with one phone. They wanted a whole other phone. I say, I'm going to let them dudes do what they want with the phones. Let them niggas do this. Now, mind you, I'm hearing the news because I'm keep locked. So my bunkies coming back to the cell telling me all the politics. I can't go to a wreck with these guys. I'm in trouble already for this.

fight with the blood with the bloods in the crypts right because i was walking with the guy so riot happens over the phones long story short we go love they go out boom bomb boom bomb dudes get cut from buffalo new york and his beef shit right so now the kings and the bloods got to go out of it the bloods demolish the kings i was in myself for the whole thing the police said you can't go to population you missed the whole wave but we know you're king ruiz you got to go to ipc if we let you out, the blood's gonna get at you. Right. I gotta send you to another jail.

Yeah. Is that my fault? So you never made any kind of intent to be in there. No. No. They're gonna throw that out there. But okay, is that just another example of basically like dudes who are from

the street life being willing to take anything and use it against you to smear your character? To smear my character. Now I'm gonna show you the paperwork right now. I want you to read it on camera and say what the fuck you see. Okay. What you see, right?

And this is the IPC paperwork. What is your hands say? Gods? The left one says, gods? What? Your fingers? Oh, yeah, God's good. Okay.

Nice. Oh, man, got that time. I got all this done in jail. All of this. Okay. Let me see what I find out of here. My other phone was charging over there. Somebody had it.

But I get it right now because, you know, it's crazy that I'm going to show you these messages. You know who 0-50-mo the movement is, right? China, bro. Yeah. All right. Now With the cowboy hat

Yeah I'm gonna go to his I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go to his shit right Put it in the comments section Now mind you

I don't care whoever he is You know what I'll fuck people Who nobody fucks me You know why Because if a lot of dudes In New York don't like you right

Mm-hmm They don't like that I'm doing this interview For it Oh well Now guess what right I'm gonna tell you I was on the blog

With Bobby Shmerner We had the fucking 200 crips around us Ain't nobody Nobody do shit Like come on Now listen, right? When you think about this shit, right? They just meat riders.

So at that time, I guess Hokies didn't like you, right? Oh, okay. At that time? So at that time, he wasn't like that. Okay. I wasn't even thinking about that. I'm not going to go and not like a dude because you don't like a dude. Now look, this is China Brum, right?

He's over here saying, yo, look at this clown. Look at this. He's like, right here, same paperwork. It says, obviously, these niggas thing. I'm a rat off that that paperwork. I sent my man before I got, before he got body. Didn't I tell you I sent this paperwork to my man's before he got murdered? Now, when you look at this paperwork, call him back over here.

Do you want to sit back? You heard, Jazz? Yeah, I heard you. It says, it was kind of hard to blurry, but if you look, it says involuntary. Okay. Protective custody. It does say that. That is true.

So now, and it says five points. If we look, we could talk in it out. We could take that. I said it to you. You have your guys analyze it. Yeah, forensic unit. Forensic union, right? But the thing is, what does that say right there?

Five points, right? Yes. That was the prison. Okay. That I was in. And it says right here, involuntary. Involuntary means I didn't do it. Now, it's not my fault.

These people are New York don't know how to read and write. The kings. You know what the word involuntary means. You mean that you know I didn't put myself there. Yeah. So when they hear that, it's like, yo, bro, I just showed you the paperwork.

These mo' that I signed in the PC, bro. Wow. They thought I signed in the PC. And they ran with that and had everybody my own manipulated because then by the time they dropped this paperwork, everybody already fake was already talking shit about me. And then when I posted it, shut them niggas up.

And they don't want to take it back, though? Or did they? They're not men enough like me. You see how I apologize to the whole nation? They're not men enough like me to do that. When I fuck up, I was wrong, I'm wrong. Right. Because I believe that being able to correct your errors

or to apologize or to say that, you were wrong about something. I had the information wrong on that. Like, that should be, that should be looked at in the culture as the ultimate sign that you're a real person. Right. And instead, it's treated as if it's like almost some sort of hypocrisy. Right. Like you're a bitch. Yeah. Like you're the only reason where you could possibly be doing this. But then our culture actually like rewards people who have a stance and won't change it no matter what. No matter how much information is coming in. They're just, they're not going to change their opinion. And somehow that is looked at as courageous.

Right. When it's lying and it's dishonesty and it's just terrible. Yo, Adam, the same thing you just said, right? So let's say you asked me for a bag of chips in prison, right? Bag of chips. We get a bag of chips. Yo, can I have a bag of chips? Yo, can I have a bag of chips?

I'm going to give you two. I'm going to give you two back. I'm going to give you one. Give me two back at the store. You taking it? I'm not taking nothing from nobody in prison. Oh, long, but you're starving. I'm giving you one bag. I'm giving you one bag of chips.

I'm going to two back. So that's the game, right? You're not taking nothing, but the game is this, right? So this brother's not doing that. Because you want to get into debt. Yeah. But you hungry and storing another week and a half, yo, let me get a bag of chips, two soups, and a fish steak, right?

All right, here you go. One for two on everything. So you got two chips, two soups, that's three back or four. Two for three, one for two. So, mind you, when I asked for a bag of chips, he's going to give me two back. But then there goes a guy like him. He said, yo, here, just get you.

give me one back at the store. Why are more men and Clyde's to give that dude? His two bag and chips and then play with this guy who said give you one back back. Sure you make sure he gets his money first and then this other guy, I least gets one and I got you the other one another other time. No, dudes treat the guys who are bad to them

better than the dudes who are good to them. But that's like the credit card companies would rather have you, they would rather have a customer not pay off their balance because they want to get the interest. A good customer who's consistently paying off their balance is like almost useless to them. To them.

Besides the money that they could invest. The world is opposite, bro. Yeah. It's fucking. It shit don't make no sense, man. If it don't make no sense, it don't make no dollars. I don't have to keep explaining myself to people.

But the more I do, the more I give people clout. Like right now, you can post this video up and whatever you write and say, yo, trust is official. Yeah, one for two. One for two.

You're going to say, trust is official. Oh, you're going to see I'm not. Now, that's on you. But whatever you say, since you have more, follows and viewers in me, they're gonna rock with that. Man, so amazing.

Sometimes. Yeah. Sometimes. But also it's like, there's a thing that happens as like the bigger you get, the more that people are like kind of eager to shit on you. How's that taste? Fire. Is it good?

Okay. Because, you know, Chaplore Ross of YouTube? He came through with like a huge palette of sodas to give us. And a lot of them were like the weirdest flavors I ever had. I've never had this flavor. We both looked at each. Like, is it bad? Like, I was like, whatever.

Holer orange vanilla seltzer. That's fire. I tried a zero-calorie doctor pepper blackberry. Fire. Blackberry flavored Dr. Pepper. I'm going to say no. Yeah, I'll probably never try that again.

Oh, you were a zero-sugar type of dude? Uh, it just was in the fridge. So I'm like, oh, I guess I'll try this. And it was. Yeah. You just don't drink. I had a mostly jacking. No, all I really drink is like zero sugar.

So. Yeah, that was surprised because a lot of the energy drinks that are zero sugar, like the the Celsius and the Red Bull and whatever, it tastes pretty good. But then the diet, Dr. Pepper, it's terrible. You see me meeting you now and seeing you on camera

is two different things, right? You see me on camera, and you see me now, it's like you get to know a person. Exactly. Why wouldn't people want to get to know me before they talk shit? Right.

That's the shit that conflicts me sometimes. Especially the content creators, though, it's just more valuable to take a hard stance on something. It's like more valuable to hate on someone than to be cool with them because there's not a lot of content to be made off of like, he's a good guy, but there's infinite content to be made out of he's a piece of shit.

Here's my 10th YouTube video of the week telling you why. So I feel like that's why you see so many people like gravitate towards having a negative outlook on things because it's more profitable. It's more controversial. Can I share a quote with y'all quick? Sure. Negativity is a thief that steals happiness. See, a lot of,

people and Adam you notice because you from you from the bean right you from Boston well in New Hampshire but yeah close New England so you know the vibes like negativity is is like I tell people in New England and Boston if you tell somebody good morning they're gonna probably be offended by it because people are so miserable that is normal like I grew up in Atlanta Florida I come from like sunlight and you know just major city so when I go back to New England for high school people they hate me because I'm so positive like I'm so positive like I'm coming in. Have a good light.

Yeah, I'm really, that as weakness, you know. Yeah, and everybody like, bro, why are you coming in the school talking about how good morning? Like, it's like a, it's weird. And that's why I say, though, like, you, y'all earlier was,

I was just sitting back listening and you were saying something about like, you know, just everybody being from where they're from and it's different. Your mind really can only grow so big as, like, where you are, you know, in my opinion. That's why I like L.A. Because L.A. and California

is, like, the size of a country, right? Yeah. Boston is literally, I tell people like. It's a little nugget, yeah. It's weird, bro. It's like Hollywood is the size of Boston. I never been to Boston. He told me Boston is like the true East.

I told him Boston people and New York people don't get along. Well, but it's kind of weird though because Boston is like Boston proper as hell small. But then you got all these like basically equivalent of like these boroughs that are all around it that have like a lot more space. But also like a lot of the street shit really is more in these. outer areas rather than like Boston's central. Yeah, like I'm from a city called, like I was born in New Bedford.

Yeah. New Bedford at one point was the most dangerous city in America because it's so small. Right. And it's just a bunch of people tweaking and it used to be the richest city in the world. What? New England is next to Boston? New England is Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont and Massachusetts. So it's like all of the sort of northeast.

But yeah, the worst beating I've ever probably seen in my whole life was in Brockton. Brockton, yeah. Brockton goes down. I saw a club promoter basically like pulled a gun on a dude at a hardcore show. But this dude is basically in the equivalent of like the craziest gang in the hardcore scene or whatever. They were just beating motherfuck or whatever. The club owner is like this Italian dude who thinks he's on some hot shit. He pulls a gun on the dude and tells him, hey, this is my venue.

If you fuck around, I'm going to fuck kill you. I didn't know that. I'm just standing there on the side of the street. All of a sudden I see this big-ass dude come up with a hammer to the club owner. He's f-fashing this dude's head in His homie tries to break it up He gets destroyed with the hammer too His girl tries to break it up

She gets her whole face smashed in with a hammer Ambulance came I don't have no idea what happened to that guy But I was like 19 I never seen nothing like that I don't think he died But I do think he for sure Was probably never the same

Based on like I don't know how you could hit somebody With a hammer that many times And not have him die yo And also he did that to a dude That he knew had a gun on it And he didn't give a fuck. Yeah, that was a tough. That was a weird.

Yeah. That was a weird. Yo, I did not know you was from Boston, bro. Or New England area. Like, I did not know that. That's crazy. It's a good place. But, um...

That's crazy. Okay, so now you are out, you're focused. Like, like, what is life now? Like, are you focused on the positivity and the good stuff, the content? So now, shout out the Funkmaster Flex, man. And yet, where does that relationship come from? Because for people who don't know, Funkmaster Flex, the most omnipresent person on New York radio over 40 years?

It's been forever. Oh, he's been great to me, man. So it happened with me. I dropped the track and big on social media, me and Hocus is collaborating. We've been, you know, Hocus is a part of this too. And, but the song speaks for itself. If you got gas, it's going to light on fire when you put a match to it, right? I had guys

Flex put a match to it Hocus 4' 5th sent the track to Spazzo In the midst of Spazzo having the track Hocus calls me Yo Spazzo's gonna spin it I'm like yeah

But before that Before Hawkes even called me saying that I made a post on social media And I'm sick They're saying Funk Flex don't support Puerto Riga And I hear all those crazy shit right All the shit that people would say To go against Flex

I don't go against people I go against people right I have a gift for that so I say yo I say if my flex don't support Latinos I highly dispute that

1994 look what he asked just asked Frankie Cuthers what he did for him I said everybody tag Flex man spit my shit

everybody need mother tag Flex flex flexed said you get marketing skills is crazy mula

mula oh my god New York and Shannon I used to interpret that when I was a kid in jail Rikersano

when I made it I used to I started it off in Rikers Hadika Put in work. Oh my God. Ladies and gentlemen, when y'all come outside,

make sure y'all have your fly clothes on. This is bringing New York back. We all right? I thought, Elvis. At it. Bombs. People are all the bombs.

Yeah. New York knows about the bombs. Yeah. I drop bombs on myself. And you hear dudes in jail. Yo, Charles, that's exactly what's going to happen. Yo, boy,

everything I did in my life, I manifested it. I spoke it into existence as we here today. No, that's crazy. Facts. Who knows? Maybe this interview again. me lit with a Cali dude.

Maybe the game would do a track with me. Who knows? There we go. Who knows? We got connections with the game. Who you know? Dwayne the Rock. You ever heard of him?

Dwayne the Rock Johnson? No. Ramos. Spelled differently. Ramos. So now people know who he is in the industry. That's his cousin. Okay.

His blood cousin. Now, mind you, he has a lot of connection, Cali. But he's from Yustnik. The Woods. Okay. Came out here.

30 years ago. Shout out to Dwayne the Rock, man. He's very inspirational to me. He actually flew me out here to get away from the bullshit. Really? You said, get the fuck over here. God is telling me to tell you that if you don't stop, you don't have too much time on Earth. Oh, damn. Wait, so, all right, you get out in 2024 and do you go back to your own neighborhood, or are you immediately, like, I go right, I go right to the old East. I go right to New York. Okay. But were you already, like, kind of making plans, like, I don't know. don't want to be here in the long run. Well, I didn't want to be in the hood,

but what happened was I'm with a woman. Shout out to my girl, Stephanie. How you doing, Mommy? I love you right now. Boom. I was my bunky's cousin. I didn't have nobody in prison. My baby mom was left me for dead.

Couldn't do eight years. Holy shit happening. Going through court battles with my children, I pray for somebody. In the 2022, God sent her to me. You know, so that was like a big sign right there. And then she leaves Harlem because she said, Drew Hamilton saying it's not a good neighborhood for me to come home to.

So she got a transfer from housing and we moved to Lower East Side. So when I came out of jail, she was only there a week when I came home. So now you're with the art school kids. Right. On the Lower East Side. I mean, what's Truss Mulla doing on the Lower East Side? Are you just chilling? Like, nobody fucking cares about your politics or whatever you're doing on.

Nobody gives a fuck. That's what's so crazy about New York is that you could be realistically like, you know, like eight miles away. and it's like a totally different place. I didn't drop my flag there yet, but they knew politics about the whole PC suspicion and all those other shit. Okay.

I came home, I told you, I went to the Lankeen meeting, told him to shoot me, shoot me. September 21st, 2000, 22, I get a phone call saying they just murdered my friend D.L. Oh, shit. Now, my friend D.L was beefing with another Bronx dude. I don't want to say no names. Long story short, they go to California,

I mean, Chicago, excuse me, to go chase after each other. one of them don't make it back home, which is my right-hand man's. Whoa. And he actually became the anchor of the Latin Kings. King Tone himself gave him that position.

Wow. So from King Blood and went to King's own. That dude, King, I was talking to, just like a super legendary Latin King. He was the one that did the HBO documentary they were trying to say he's a rap because a black rose is where you're not supposed to talk about anything you hear or see.

And the Latin King meeting is a black rose. Okay. And he talked about it and they were waiting on for it? Cameras, right? Okay. The speaking of it. about shit was it was on camera in the meeting and he did time for it king tone did time i never looked at king tone in a bad way i actually looked up to this day i respect king tone yeah right and so did

d l right tone is a dude that he came in the game he tried to promote positivity for the latinos and bring everybody together and got wrapped up because like he's the gang no matter what this is while holkins is trying to tell people that you could do as much positive things you're doing the many of you got do one wrong thing that rico is coming for y'all yeah it came for tone yeah he comes home from doing his time, my bro, Dio, being who he is, tough, toughest nigga I've ever met in my life. And he backed Tone up. And Tone gave him his blessings and blessed him to be the Inca of New York. I mean, one thing you got to say about gang culture is that it is so alluring to so many people, despite the incredibly obvious signs that this is not necessarily something

that's great to put your life into. And like when I say that, the first example that pops into my mind is, rest of peace, Drago the ruler, his brother, Ralphie the Plugs, a good friend of mine. At one point, they both had cases. And Ralphie's case was for basically using a stolen credit card to go in, Neiman Marcus and by clothes and shit like that. But then they put the gang enhancement on it, and it's a totally different world. A whole new charge.

That alone, the fact that you could get gang enhancements put on your crimes and get way more time in prison should be enough for like anybody. And to be fair, Ralphie. is like not really like a gang member like that he's more just from a click it's kind of complicated but like the fact but that says a lot you are not formerly a blood or a crib you just have like what's basically a rap crew yeah and they'll still put the gang in hands on you that should be enough to tell everybody out there never say a goddamn word if you are rolling with a click if you really are rolling around with people you have you're from a hood you should never say it yo that just

meant a lot coming from you yeah i mean just logically you shouldn't never say it because the cops can use it so well against you, but then think about the allure of being in a gang is not just being in a gang, it's being able to say you're in a gang. And the respect that that will get. The fact that you said that just now, I want to say thank you. I appreciate it. You know why? Because they need to hear that from us.

Do you like us with a platform, we need to speak like that. So New York thought that Adam 22 was mocking hocus with the whole thing. Yo, I should apologize for that, though, because I'm going to be real. I've seen not Hocus's video, but I see somebody else's video. And in that moment, I didn't know that it was like a thing. I didn't know that Hocus created. I thought it was just something like that shit. And like I said before, like from my L.A. perspective, it definitely came off different.

And I was just in a goofy mood. And I'm like, I'm going to do a parody of this. I should not have done that. Because like knowing the context of it, it was really like, it's the exact thing that I would hope for society. is for all these kids to stop gang banging or at the very least for the culture of gangbanging to become dramatically less violent and prideful. I don't know if you noticed,

but this is one of the most important interviews I think we have done. Me sitting with you and you sitting with me because I was going to say that. Everybody thought, you know, Adam was mocking the whole thing, but in all reality, you hear Adam 22, so they're telling you guys. Like, that's the most fearful shit.

That alone will make me not want to be around no gangs. You can get three years for a robbery But if you do it with a game number You get 20 years That shit don't make no sense Yeah I'm good I mean shout out to law enforcement

Because they basically created a system Where you're massively Disincentivized to be Saying you're from a game But here we all know people When you look at their Instagram bio It says I am from this gang Basically

Let me say something says you brought law enforcement up Sure shout out the NYPD I'm gonna say it again Shout out the NYPD I'm going to say it one more time. Shout out the NYPD. I wouldn't be trust Moola, or I wouldn't be as big as I am

if I didn't have the support of NYPD. Supporting what way? I simply asked them if you could say something positive to the youth or would it be. When I needed money for an event, they were the first ones to donate. A total of $1,500. I was able to buy a PlayStation 5 for the kids

and give it out. Two times. When I get into some bullshit, they'll you all cut it out. Moolah, please, man. Like, I don't think you should be posting shit like that, Mula. You got a lot of people watching you, man.

We're rooting for you. I may not be the most positive dude in the world, Adam, but I promote it nonetheless. I try. You seem pretty positive to me. To the whole world, not to the whole world, but to other dudes, you know, going back and forth with this Latin King argument or hocus,

it takes away from my character. And it makes me look less presentable. It scares the labels away. Nobody wants to invest for somebody who thinks, the Lankeen's going to kill them. Right? So if nobody's going to invest in me, I'm not going to invest in myself.

I'm not going to give up. I got hit records. I'm a fucking hit maker. Is that where most of your time goes as opposed to like content and stuff? Is the music the focus now? Lately, I apologize that I haven't been pushing positivity like that. The only reason I haven't been pushing positive like that

is because I have to focus on my career. Hey, nobody could wake up in the morning. And not everybody could wake up in the morning. I got the best, the most greatest DJ in the world right spinning me all over New York City and all over the world I don't get opportunities like that yeah that's not guys like me who did 16 and a half years who was gang banging who yeah if I got to leave the game to become successful see you guys later and that's not regular people outside New York don't even

know that that is there's no radio DJ that could play your song that would have more of an effect in the whole country than Flux playing a record in New York thank you even it plays it once thank you it's just there's nothing by the way he played it 28 times. Wow. On hot 9-7. I have the stats here. That's sick. Oh, it's wonderful. And really, bro, you don't even, honestly, like, that channel is a frequency. Like, we're talking science and we're talking, like, really being plugged in with, like, the higher power. Like, you're plugged in with a channel through Flex, and he has that seat. So, like, irregardless of, like, whatever anybody says, that's negative, doesn't matter. Like, it's all love,

but, like, where are you at, though? It's true. Straight facts, right? But to me, but to me, though, it does matter. It does. You know why it matters? Why?

And you right, though. Negativity is a thing that still's happiness, so I'm inclined to hear why you think so. You are right, but I feel like other people's opinion matters because I do love people. I did, if it wasn't for Ladd King,

I wouldn't be who I am. It's easy to say you don't give a fuck anybody thinks about you, but I think at the end of the day, you do. Yeah, we all, maybe you don't care about the average YouTube commenter, but you definitely care about what?

A lot of people. But Adam, an eagle doesn't fly with pigeons. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Like, when you reach a level, like, spiritually and mentally, certain people are where they are because that's what they are. You ever read a thousand comments all bashing you? Have you ever read a thousand comments all bashing you? Yeah, because you got to have the...

You have to go through it to speak to about it. You got to read a thousand negative comments in a row, and then when you close your phone to still feel like the same person you were before that. Also, like, realistically, you probably don't have a reason to read a thousand comments. It said and done. But, yeah. And because, okay, this is the thing is that Drake is not Drake and JZ is not JZ and 50 cent without millions and millions and millions of people who think that they're dope.

Yep. And I mean, shit, look at Gucci, man. I never seen a fall from Grace Tick happen that fast in terms. And what happened? He just did some shit that the people didn't like and they turned on real fast. Is it over? I don't know. Maybe it could not be over.

but realistically like if a big 50% of your fan base decides that they think you're a bitch and they don't want to listen to your music anymore it's a death sentence for most people. My granted Gucci, you know, he's been big for a long time. It's kind of different, but you know, it's like with, you know, Jay-Z just if the people decide they don't want to buy his album, he ain't really Jay-Z the same way used to be Jay-Z, right?

I mean, that's like, you know, it's just what it is. You as a celebrity are a celebrity because of the millions of people who give a fuck about you. Exactly. And that's why interviews like, this is important so you could get your point across. Or you could tell people how you feel, you could tell people like, yo, you know,

I made a fucking mistake. Nobody's perfect. Not, nobody's perfect. I shouldn't have said that comment of Latin Kings being dope heads or because instead of pointing an address on a specific con, it's like I came out everybody from Cali to New York to this to that.

Now when people are angry, bro, they say things they don't mean to those who don't accept my apology. Suck my dick, I don't care. Right? I can't please everybody. That's what I learned. And that's why I understand his comment too. But I can't hear that with the mic.

I can't please everybody. Nah, facts. Okay, so where do you feel like you're at in your life right now? What's the most important shit to you and what's the message that is most important for the people out there to know? The most important message for me to people to know is that the kingdom of God is at hand. So all the hood niggas out there, all the gangsters,

or everybody who think they want to be what the fuck they want to be when God comes, all of this shit is over. Your pride stands for a primary reason Individuals die early Your ego you could throw that shit out the window You can lie to me but you cannot lie to God All right A coincidence is God's way to be anonymous

I am here for a reason Adam 22 had me scheduled for another day Right some shit like 1819 or whatever We're a little all over the place with my schedule's been kind of Been kind of crazy right this week yeah But look I'm in Cali I didn't know I was gonna have some way to go I wouldn't went to Adam 22

stood in the shelter and went back home about how to I would have made this work regardless but before I get to you, people get to me first from Cali. What's the coincidence of that? No, that's God's way to be anonymous. This interview may save my life. Really?

That's deep. Might save my life. Because the best conversation I had in a minute along the line. This is a good one. So, you know, I thank you, and I thank you for that, bro. And I thank you especially

for clearing that up to New York. Because I like, I care with my people who think and I don't want them to think negative about Adam. Appreciate that. It happens, shit happens, and look, he just apologized. I apologize. Right. Friot over it.

If not, listen to this hit record and kick the fuck off. You don't want to listen to it by. For sure. Do you feel like, because I feel like New York has really seen the YouTuber, Instagram, real world of people talking about, not just rap, but street shit, kind of combining it all together. You feel like that's been like overall negative? or do you see that having like a corrosive effect on the culture?

Can you repeat the question? Just everybody making YouTube videos, making Instagram videos, etc. Everybody who's, you know, maybe like an older, a little bit older, used to be from a gang or used to be in the street life or whatever, they're all making content now. And a lot of times the content is kind of intentionally, like, flaring up tension, you know, like,

does it feel like that's kind of a bad thing overall for the culture? I'm going to say this. It's a bad thing. But I'm going to say this. right for sure it's good when it's good but when it's bad that one bad overrules all that good there's always somebody's gonna fuck that up yeah because people will pay attention if they you know and people want to see that fucks people want to see the negative they want to talk shit about people oh you see that's the trust mulal i did if i do a positive video all right next

if i say some crazy oh trust mullah talking shit it gives us something talk about if we got 20 new york hip-hop bloggers and they all pretty cool cool, they chill, they're good, and then a new one comes on. Now we got 21, but this dude's talking shit. He's saying, fuck this gang, fuck this neighborhood, fuck this rapper, etc. Guess who we were paying attention to. We're paying attention to this asshole, number 21. It's just human nature, you know, and it's tough because then you get people who

maybe like wouldn't do that, but now the incentives are for them to do that. So all of a sudden now it's like, okay, you got people that wouldn't even be sincerely hating and they hateing because it's profitable. Yeah, but it's for no, exactly. But it's for no reason either because they're not even making money like that. I could make $4,000 a month on Facebook. I do it.

If you could say something positive to you, I stopped doing that to do my music, I lose money. There's no money in this music industry like that unless you hot. It's tough. So a dude like me, yeah, I'm kind of hot. But I didn't get no money off this shit, Adam.

I'm losing money, bro. Because you don't understand. Instagram don't want to pay that. Because they got to pay that artist for that song that you fucking performing right so what they do is is either you're gonna be organically pushed and get like like that or not So the social media shit is a fake world bro that shit is not real The ones that are real is the ones that are keeping it real I don't give a fuck bro look I'm fat oh yeah that's cool yeah that's cool yeah That's cool they fat really

You know me people are not here right now because they kill their because they're so insecure who the fuck you are wow if you're suicidal you feel like something is bothering you give somebody a call man I try to put my number on Instagram but everybody started doing theft threats yeah you know what I'm saying give somebody a fuck tell somebody you love them instead of saying oh that's an ugly bitch try to get to know that person the world is evil man is coming God is coming and when he comes, he's going to come like a thief in the night.

So I don't worry about death. I worry about the real death and that's not being right by God. We all haven't saw a last breath to ask for forgiveness. I wish I told my mother that before she passed away. That's real.

Rest and peace to all the moms out there, man. That's some serious shit. That's some serious shit. I got to do this before I leave all her. I look like you're about to wrap this thing up. But I got to do this for all my guys, for Kay Slay one time, for everybody in jail one time, listen to my words because this is what happens in jail,

listen to what's going on. And then I also got a Jay Z song for all remings that's on my page, go look at it. But I'm going to do this one time for Kay Slay, right? Because Kay Slay inspired me to want to write and listen to music. And right as I'm, he was a DJ Kay Slay. You ever heard of him, DJ K Slay?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For the record, I was beating off to Buffy the body because of him. Yeah. Res and peace. Yeah, yeah, me too. tear her shit up in myself.

Robbing all banks. You did time, right? I don't know we did some shit. No, you just cash out. No, I'm just sure. No criminal record. No criminal record. Just a bunch of poor old books

and some hot black chicks, ready? I've been breaking the law, but I don't know. They never got me. Yeah. But all right, so for the people who want to stay locked in with what Trust Mulah got going on, tell them where to holler at you,

where you'd be putting most of your time. So, holl at me on Trust Mulaw? Right? Holl at me on YouTube. Trust Moolah on the run. Everything trust Mullah. This is for Kay Slate one time, man. I made this for K Slay.

C-95, the Horragas Island wake up. Niggas be like, who that, shoot that. Better move strap. Lockdown, chili soups and juice packs. Rice bags, tuna steaks and two max. Commissary. Lynn won't get two back. Want to fight?

Oh, play the bathroom. Don't run out. Nigga had coat. Big nigger. Acting like he Dibo. Fight on his dumb ass. He running to the COs. Hit the U.

Y'all, we go bad, we run that back. Niggas be like, who dat, shoot that. Better move strap. Lockdowns, chili soups and juice packs. Rice bags. Tuna steaks and two max. Commissary. Lynn Wong and two back.

Want to fight? Go play the bathroom. Don't run out. Nigger had cool. Big nigga. Acting like he Debo. Fight on his dumb ass. He run into the COs.

Oh. Hit the y'all. Get some sets with him. Sip the hooch with the squaw like a Mexican. So sick. Cuff the intake. spit fire who I'm spitting out a big blade That ain't room nigga

Then you try to touch mine Sneak these get done dirty I'm cover you in this crunch time Locking I don't lock in I'll be on a chill I'm mopping I'm going shopping

Cook that meal let's get it popping That mook dead He did his robin I get the bag Now needs a boxin Nicker why you talkin you ain't like that I already fucking bitch three times How you wife that

I remember everything that she's small How you like that She texting my phone on a dick For a nightcap, nigga Adam 22 You know what's going on, baby Trust Mulla I know y'all want to tap in

Yeah Appreciate you, Doc, for real Legendary, man Yeah, much love, dark With Adam, Nick Rest of Pete's K Slay Shut up to fuck who is it Hey

RPK Slate shout out to Pat Pooze Shout out to Rayna Rock Hocus Shout out to my wife Shout to everybody who supports me Shout to my cousin Anthony Shout out to St. Laz! Gotta put that out there New York

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