No Jumper - Ugly God on leaving his label, XXL cover regrets, Lil Pump, 6ix9ine, Pokemon and more!

Episode Date: August 25, 2019

Ugly God is back on No Jumper to talk about his growth, the evolution of his music with Bumps & Bruises, the state of the rap game and his friendship with Pump. 1:09 Then and now 2:25 The success of Water 4:26 Pressure of your first project 7:12 XXL cover regrets? 9:00 The end of Soundcloud era? 10:51 The evolution of Ugly God 13:47 Label weigh you down 16:40 New project, new Ugly God 19:28 Lil Pump Ugly God relationship 21:34 New project inspiration 22:50 Take Off / Wintertime relationship 23:49 6ix9ine 26:03 Pokemon vs Pokemon Go 29:32 "Bitch you look good!" + cancel culture 32:22 Still don't smoke weed? 35:51 Rap game right now? 37:00 Playboi Carti --- FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://spoti.fi/2vi9lsD CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper and iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 and follow us on Social Media: http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm follow Adam22 as well: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and follow adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No Jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. I'm here today with one of my favorite guys in this game. Somebody I interviewed super early on in his career. I think I might have done your first interview. Somebody I'm a big fan of you as a human being. Thanks, ugly God. No, thank you, Nick.

Do I need to put these headphones on? I mean, you can't even want you. I don't have to. I like waiting my hats into the side and shit. So, nigga, we're going to hold off on it. I just feel like I might throw the bitches on later on. You look good. Oh, nigga, you look good, bro.

I look good. Yeah, for sure. You got a couple more tattoos and shit. I think you got fat for a while, sent in between our first interview and then now, you had a little bad phase. Yeah, I lost like 40 pounds. Wow, 40. Yeah, nigg. How'd you do it?

Snoring coat. Nah, no, no, no. Nah, you know, I ain't ever did, jokes. No, I know, I know. But I heard you talking about rolling up on this album. I'm like, what are you doing? You just need something to say? Yeah, nigger.

I should be rhyming with shit. Yeah, this shit be rhyming with shit, you know, for the most part. But yeah, I just, you know, start eating better running, drinking water, nigger. That's what such. It's crazy to think. All right. So tell me about where you were at in your life when we did that first interview. Because you were just a young, young boy at that point.

You didn't know nothing about the world. I was a creative soul, though. I literally say this, a 19-year-old nigger. I might have been 20 at the time. But whenever I'm a nigger fresh out of high school and fresh into this shit. Yeah. Just you were the definition of just all of a sudden you had everybody looking at you, whereas like your whole life you had just been a regular guy up until like,

a few months before. That's crazy. You see, that shit was overwhelming. Yeah. Definitely. And so, okay, talk about what you've been through since then. Because it feels like for a while you've kind of like gone through sort of like various identity crises. And then I feel like you've sort of ended up with this project.

And I feel like listening to this project, I felt a new, revived, coherent, confident version of you. Yeah. Musically. Yeah. Not a version. a different, Nick. I don't like version.

I don't like version because, you know, you can say that two different ways and I don't think, I don't want nigs to think I ain't fucking because I'm fucking. Not virgin, version.

I know version, but I don't like that shit sound. But yeah, yeah, no, for sure, hell yeah, nigga, I had to tune in and find my fucking self,

you know, before anything. Right. Talk about the pressure that you felt after water came out and just became this big fucking song. And it's like,

when we look at that sort of prototype, that mold of that rappers are supposed to fall into, I mean, that kind of happened to you early on where people wanted you to be this meme rapper, right? Yeah, yeah. For sure. And not that I was at the moment, but I was like, fulfilling like that need or like feeling in that gap.

But then, you know, time went by, you have other artists coming out and shit. And then that gap is like not closing or being over with, but like I'm not necessarily the nigger they look to for that type of music anymore. Well, it's a weird lane to be in. Because when you sort of are viewed as that funny rapper or whatever, it's like there's always a new little pump, a new 6-9, a new, like, more and more entertaining people coming and coming and coming. But I always felt like you weren't really comfortable with that in the first place.

Like you always felt sort of belittled by being put in that category because you always wanted to just be thought of as a dope rapper. All right. So really it was, I wasn't really uncomfortable with that or being called that, but it was more of that like, I'm pretty sure like. You know me personally. Some niggas know me personally. Some niggas know me as this internet persona.

But, like, for the most part, like, you know, that's my personality. And I'm actually that type of nigger. And I'm not actually, I wasn't going to the studio trying to be this type of meme, nigger. But, like, I was going off my emotion and how I felt about things. And, like, that's what type of nigga. And at the end of the day, I'm still a goofy-ass nigger. Regardless of what kind of music I make, I'm still that goofy-ass, you know,

coon, bro. But when you came out in the game, you came with so much of that kind of stuff, so much fun music, so much funny music, that people want to treat you like, that's all you are. Yeah, no, for sure. And I think that's what people think that's all I'm capable of doing. And, like, yeah, yeah, it was weird being thrown in that box for me making music like that. But it was more, like, weird because, like, I'm actually that type of nigger.

So really, they're throwing my personality into a box. So it's like. How do you feel about your first project and what came of it? It was all right. I felt kind of pressure to release it because, you know, at that time I was releasing singles that were just booming at the SoundCloud, like, whenever Spotify, I was like, whatever. The music was like for Drake and them type of niggas. And then it was a SoundCloud.

But after the water shit blowing the fuck up, and then especially like after XXL, like, that was so much pressure. Because I think I might have actually been the only one on that list that didn't have a fucking collection of music like a tape or anything. Right. It was pressure. And when you're a new artist and you haven't put out a project, there's always going to be that sort of thing, looming there, hanging there.

And for you, especially because it's like your first project was going to be what decided if you were a meme rapper or a real rapper in a lot of ways. Or are you going to be a guy who had one or two dope things on YouTube or whatever, a couple of hit songs, and then that was the end of it. And like, you always seem kind of like weirdly aware of that. No, of course. No, I was aware of that when I was working on bumps and bruises while I was working on the booty tape.

Like, I knew, like, as far as how people perceived me as that, you know, type of rapper. And I felt like it would have been too corny for me to come out with trying to do some serious music, even though my new album isn't too serious, but it's different. But, like, I feel like at that point in time, I had to release something, and I did. And I didn't, I knew what I owe with the people at that point. I gave them what I owe. I really kind of put that together. And that's what the fans were fucking with me for.

they were fucking pressureing and bullying me to fucking put this fucking anything out. And that's what I put out. You know, like, I just felt I kind of owed him that. But I was already in the, I was working on bumps and booze at that time, like, already planning to stray away from that kind of shit at that time. But I know what I had to, I knew what I had to deliver. Right. That's kind of like a weird, like, do you feel like you overthought it?

Because like, overthought where you were going to go with your career and in terms of what direction you wanted to go to? Because yeah, you have pressure for. from the fans and stuff. But I feel like you yourself kind of got in your head at a certain point where you just felt like you were sort of overthinking like the direction of your career so much. Whereas those early hits that you had, those were hits because of the fact that you weren't thinking about it at all.

You weren't just this kid fucking around. So it wasn't me actually like, it was, I was always aware like of like where I wanted to go and like how it was going to go about things. But I just didn't know when or how to do it. Like I knew it had to be some kind of bridge. or like some kind of easing to a new thing instead of just coming out on some whole different type of shit than what I was on.

So like just like trying to find that perfect balance and then when it was like my problem, like when to do it. Do you ever regret doing that double XL cover or you think it was overall positive? It was positive, but there are some downsides of it which is I fucking love. It's dope and it's a good ass, you know, platform, whatever, a good look and shout Miss Vanessa.

That's your girl? Hey, that's my nigger, Ms. Vanessa satin. But so like what I've said before is that before XXL and even the water shit, I even say wild water was coming out. But my fan base was growing so like steadily and organically. And then like just looking at my fucking my numbers, which I fucking hate going by numbers, but sometimes it matters and like going by numbers and like as far as my followers and like my analytics and stuff as soon as XXL happened, that shit shot the fuck up.

I bet. And it was crazy. I felt like I didn't get my core fan base where I wanted it to before, you know, that. Yeah. It's always that weird thing in the music world. It's like, do you want to take big opportunities before you're maybe ready for my most recent big example of it? It was like Blockboy where he had this crazy-ass wave going where they had their own style

of beats and dancing and everything. And then he like came out with that Drake single and that blew it up so fast, maybe too fast, you know? Yeah. type shit, you know, it's just a matter of just like when. And like, I felt like I just didn't get the, I did. Because I actually have like amazing-ass core fan base, especially for me to be fucking in hibernation

and fucking be dormant this fucking long. And the nigga still like actually give a fuck. It's fucking amazing to me. Like that shit is like wild. Because I know I ain't feeling no nigga after two years. I'm not. It's easy to forget about somebody for sure. There were rappers two years ago that we're not even thinking about.

Yeah. Yeah. These days for sure. Do you feel like that was something that kind of fucked you up in the head, sort of, just the fact that you realized sort of early, like, oh, shit, like, I just blew up, but there's a million other dudes coming, especially at the moment you came, because you came out right at the beginning of sort of the SoundCloud rap explosion, like, before pump, before Yadi even, I think.

Like, you were super early. Not really before Yaddy. Like the same time. It was like, I'm like that, I was in college. And while I was in college, that's when Yadi was blowing up. which is like late 2015 and I blew up like mid 2016 or like kind of early 2016 but yeah like at the like all in all yeah you're right like the beginning of that shit like before a nigga was just popping the fuck up and shit and now it feels like that kind of ridiculous wave is over now where you know

it's like you just there was a bunch of people who I shall not name and stuff who kind of maybe got signed and shit just off of image and off of the fact that the industry was so thirsty for the next pump that they were just signing whoever. And there's a bunch of people who got big ass fucking deals and they just are never going to do shit with it. And it's kind of crazy to look back on. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I wouldn't say like SoundCloud is dead.

But as far as a nigga SoundCloud grinding, it's kind of dead like SoundCloud grinding. Like now, you know, niggas popping out with the music videos on Spotify, that type of shit. But SoundCloud's still the goat, though. If you pop out with a song these days that if by the time it gets to a couple hundred thousand plays, no matter what, you have 10 label meetings scheduled. No, no. Everybody wants to talk to you.

Everybody's feeling you out and they're smart. You know, they're thinking like, is this guy just a little meme or is this guy somebody that could go further? Like, they're super on top of them. No, hell yeah. They'd be hit or missing though, but yeah, they'd be on it though. They definitely fuck shit up, but they're definitely trying to heart. So how much through your success and everything and traveling all this shit, how much did

you sort of transform into a real rapper type dude? because it felt like when we first did that interview, you were still so new. Like, you definitely had somewhat limited experience with bitches. Definitely had not gone anywhere near drugs, which I'm guessing is still the case. Yeah. But like, I don't know, it's like I got older, of course.

I started making more money, bought a crib, started feeding. People like, it came with responsibility. And like, responsibility comes with growth and maturing. And I'm still a goofy-ass niggum. But, you know, I'm still the same nigga now that I get to sit back and chill. And I was just never that type of nigga, you know. But when you're coming up as fast as you are, there's a big temptation to not chill at all. And to always be at every festival, be around everything.

Ride the wheel, just ride to the motherfucking wheels fall off. But you feel like you didn't really do that because you weren't 100% comfortable with that? Even at the beginning when I first blew up, I knew I said, like, I pretty much knew I said, I'm going to be on this shit. This shit's working out. Like when I first started working out, and I'm like, okay. This shit working out, this type of shit is fend to be a thing and I'm just have to change. And even at that point, I wasn't taking like every festival and shit. Like I was out everywhere online and stuff.

But like as far as like taking like different shows, fucking like being certain places or like being some like part of the hype and shit, I stayed away from that just so I could be able to do certain shit or even be able to like change and niggas won't like get tired of my face. I've been gone for a minute, but even when I was out, I don't think niggis just got tired of my face. There's some faces that niggas get fucking sick of. It's weird. That's a very real thing.

But sometimes you just feel like, man, I just see this motherfucker everywhere for some reason. It's just sort of, you know, there's only so many people that people will continue to want to see over and over and over like that. You just got to like keep that mystique, you know. And you could always live your life however you want. When you're a rapper, like, especially in your first cracking up, it's like, well, you could be on tour and popping up all different places every day for the next couple months. Or you could schedule your shit a little different where you get some time to actually be at home and actually feel like a normal person. It's like it's very much kind of up to you. I'm sure you had a lot of influences that were pushing you

to just make as much money as possible and take advantage all opportunities, right? What do you mean? Like, as far as homies in the rap game? Or just in general? People on your team? It's like as long as you're paying them and everything, there's a big incentive for them to be like,

shit, we got to take every show we can get and do as much as we can. No, like, I've been giving that advice by somebody but not specifically on a team because my team has always been me and that nigga And then the lights can do, remember. I don't know if you remember, Nalda, my best friend. We're still best friends and shit.

But, like, for the most part, it's the three of us. Like, really. So, like, as far as somebody telling me, like, it's always I have a vision of doing something. And then it's fucking, we're from to fall through. Like, my team, my manager, my best friend, they trust me, like, on how, you know, how I want to go about things. Did the label shit start to wear you down as a person? Fuck, no. It didn't really bother you.

It was more just aggravating this. It was just more aggravated, honestly. Like, because I wasn't in the 360. I had my single deal for water and I have my one album, which is Bumson Brewers and so I'm out there. So it was one album and distribution. But it was that. And then, you know, I wasn't fucking locked in. I couldn't not drop music.

I could always drop music when I wanted to. So that wasn't the reason of me not dropping music. And, you know, they weren't taking percentages of my shit. Like, I was in a good situation. It was just more aggravating that. I just don't think even the label or even my manager, like, I can tell him I feel about something where I have a vision. But I don't think anybody can really, like, understand your vision and how you want to go about things. You only do your best of the explaining, you feel me?

And that kind of becomes your job where all of a sudden it's like instead of just being able to do the creative, you have to also be considering how you're going to present it to the label that they're going to be fucking with it. I mean, I go always do what I want it regardless. But like for real, like, like, sometimes I felt like I wasn't even with anybody. Honestly, that's how I felt because always there'll be ideas or things that they might have wanted me to do, but they always had to ask me to do it. And then I guess like dead that shit off. I feel like that didn't fit what I wanted to go on.

Like I didn't want to be in the way doing too fucking much. You're independent now? No, yeah. Crazy. How you feel about that? The shit is amazing, but I kind of always did feel. I feel independent, but it feels better being independent now. And then just dropping this fucking body of work too, so it feels good.

Yeah, because you have like the label support. Meanwhile, you're not actually trapped in that. Are you shopping other deals? Are you thinking about it like that? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't want to see where this album does first. Right. Yeah. Do you feel like, at this point with this album, it's like, does this album make you want to go harder with continue to try to be a rap star or does this kind of represent you? being happy with just being able to, you know, because there's all different types of rappers. It's like you could be Danny Brown who dips off for fucking four years, but every time he drops

a project is like he's making a big artistic statement and he doesn't really worry about being Mr. Famous guy all the rest of the year, you know? Where do you feel like you're at? I don't know. I'm kind of happy I found myself for one. I'm putting out music. I think, which is all that matters, is good enough for me to put out and I feel good about. And really like overall feeling better as a person.

That was my main focus at first during my break. It wasn't even music related at first. It was me like damn like, nigga like, like, you feel me? Like. When you look at this project, what had to change in terms of what got you to the sort of different mental state with this project where you just feel sort of more comfortable? It doesn't feel, it just feels like a more grown-up version of you. What's different about this project?

Does it true? I feel like it. I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it a lot and it's just somehow just manages to walk the line of you being funny, being like a fun loving guy, but also wanting to be like, yo, I'm like a real rapper. Like I'm not one of these fucking Instagram dorks coming out or some shit. Like it was more just like me bridging that gap or even just like a balance between the two because like it doesn't completely sound corny and not like me.

Like you know that shit is me and then you can still know I'm the same goofy ass niggie but then I'm still making like it's just different type of music. We don't sign nobody. It's weird, though, because the funny stuff is usually what sticks to the inside of your brain. God, that's so loud. That was crazy. For sure. But the funny stuff is what sticks to inside your brain.

Because when I think about your first project, what do I think about? I think about bitch breath smelling like Newports. Yeah. Hell, yeah. Yeah. I still think about that. About Newport smell? Yeah, all that.

Black in my all that. But you got a girl now, right? Or you had a girl for a while? You're single now? I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it. But you seem like kind of. obsessed with women. Is that something that occupies a lot of space in your brain?

Hell no. No? Hell no. Like you talk about like my music I was making like or like this in general, I seem like I was just super just like obsessed with like bitches. Honestly, your music doesn't sound like you're like documenting the lifestyle of a dude who's just really living that Casanova lifestyle and just out here slaying everything. But then you also seem like you do end up talking about sexual related stuff. Niggas be horny. You feel me? I heard that. Yeah, Yeah, you just be horny, bro. Right. But you, oh, yeah.

All right. I feel you. Really, what do you say to that? No, it's just, niggas be horny. Niggie, don't be mad whenever niggas be horny. And now I'm acting like a horny, nigga. You can't knock me for that. I just feel like some guys, I mean, like, Thugs girl was in here the other day telling me that her and thug don't really fuck that much.

I'm like, this dude, all he talks about is sex and music. It's just music. Like, you have, like, him and his girls, I guess, sex life. That's their personal life. and then you have Young Thug. Like, you have, what's his name? That's his name? And then you have Young Thug.

And then Young Thug is a nigga who writes about that. It's just like really balancing between, you know, your persona and then your personal life. And then I feel like some niggas have no balance, like, not using him as an example. But I'm going to say, L'Pump, not using his example because of my homie, but like, let's say it's an artist or like L'Pump, maybe he's like L'Pump at all times and there's no balance between him and what's his name, Gazzie? Like. Gazzie.

Yeah, Gansa Garcia. Yeah, but I was using him as, you know, I wasn't using it like saying he's that. Because that's a cool ass nigga. That's actually, that nigga is, yeah, that is cool as fuck. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, you and Pump always had a good relationship, huh? Yeah, for sure. Like, I made that nigga when he was 15, that shit was weird.

Already had the Gucci tag on his chest and shit. I think when I met him just turned 16, so it might have been a little bit after you. It was, I remember all that shit so vividly. Like, I was in my mom's house. I met him in Smok Perk. I just made Smok Perp when I was in college. So it was even before, like, water. I met Smoke Purp, but long.

You look at that time period in your life, like your old, the old days was like, man, shit was so simple. I was just really just getting into this rap shit. I didn't know nothing. I was just having fun, meeting people, whatever. Now everything seems a little bit more complicated. It was easier not knowing the business side of things and how shit worked because you were just like at the end of the day, I'm still a nigga who makes music.

But like back then I just, I just, it's just nigger make music and stuff and do what you do, niggas, like shut up, make music and then we'll handle that other shit. But like now knowing the business side of shit and knowing how to how like shit works now and how shit is changing this shit. It's like it makes it more difficult, but... It's nice to be older and smarter, but at the same time, ignorance is bliss. No, for sure. No, hell.

When you're young, you're ignorant as fuck, and everything seems funny. Everything seems funny. And then you get a little bit older, and all of a sudden, you start to realize that the jokes that seemed funny as fuck to you when you're 15 are not quite as funny now that you made those jokes for a couple years, or you've seen everybody else's jokes and everything. I feel like I stopped at the... right time before I just completely was just fucking up. Because I think if I would just kept on going, I would have been fucking up.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you're lucky just because you don't, apparently you don't have any fucking destructive tendencies, no drugs and no insane girl stuff. I probably, I honestly, I think my downfall would have been me saying some stupid ass shit or fucking with some nigga or some shit. Say some codex shit. I don't know. Have a moment like that where you just come out and say like, fuck Jay-Z or some

shit like that. I probably just say, fuck like, I probably would just say some shit. I probably would have said some wrong shit. Codec had one of those things like every other week. I think, I don't know. He just, I see you came and used him. We can't compare you to him because he's on a different. He's just, Kodak is his Kodak.

Yeah. I hear that. What do you feel like this project is inspired by in terms of what brought it to life? Because it's kind of like your early music is the stuff that was inspired by your entire life. then like further projects kind of have to be inspired by new shit. So like I was depressed for like a year and a half, which sounds fucking corny to me saying. Because I need to be saying that shit, but I was. And I got out of it.

Thankfully, it was real personal, but I'm thankful I got out of it. And I just wanted to be happy. Like I was actually happy for like the first time in so long and really way happy than I really ever was. even when I was first put out music blowing up and shit, like when I got out of depression, that was the happiest I ever been and I just always, I just want to be happy. So, like, I just was making music that made me feel happy

regardless of what I was saying, like, my shit makes me feel happy, whether I don't even know what it is me saying or like my beats, whatever, like, it's shit makes me feel some type of way. So I don't want to be happy. I just want to be happy. Yeah, I mean, it's very, it's fun. Yeah.

It's music that just sounds like you were just in there. But, I mean, I don't know, it's also, it feels like more real hip-hop in a way in the sense that, I mean, it just feels a little bit more like you are actually just finding yourself as a rapper who actually could like just get in the booth with whoever. Yeah, just be doing something. You're rapping next to somebody that maybe people wouldn't be thinking about you rapping next to. For sure.

Like takeoff. You decided, hey, me and takeoff, go head ahead of head. That's the hardest me go. Yeah. Why takeoff, though? I say him because of him in Wintertime were my only feature on the album. And I thought all three of us are underdogs. So it was like an underdog nigga album.

You're still close to fuck of a wintertime? Oh, yeah. It's like my best friend. Really? Besides my friend Nato, like, even away from the industry, you're like away from the music theater. That's like one nigga I've been talking to since 2015, and that's my nigga. I mean, like, the way you dipped off, the way he dipped off is like way crazy.

Like, he really went ghost on motherfuckers. No, that nigga went in hibernation. Yeah. Is he just going to pop up in a couple years and just be like, go, here's what I've been working on? That niggins can pop up soon. Really? That nigga just like, that's a whole, that's a whole, I know I went ghost, but that's a whole different realm of dipping out.

That nigga is dip. Right. Yeah. That's crazy. Damn. Fuck. I just had a really good question. Oh, yeah.

What happened with a... Are you still holding down your bro, six, nine? You guys were real tight, huh? You went to New York, join the Trayway thing. You were the Diamond Tester.

No, I didn't join. I was in Houston, so... Oh, it was. All right. I didn't make all these nicks mad and say that thing was in my city, but, you know,

I claim Houston, whatever. You know, I live there for the majority of my life and were out there. And really, I was out there, and then he was out there, and then it was like, I don't know who reached out further.

It was just link up. We just linked up. How you feel about how his career went? You kind of look at your career like, damn, I'm glad I didn't join a game. I know. Order any murders? With me, like, with the 6-9 situation, I actually, like, was ghost off the internet while all that was going on.

And when I actually re-downloaded my apps and got back. Well, I mean, I was online. Like, I was just post on my meme page, but not my personal. But when I did get back on, I felt just late to all this shit. I really don't really really really was going to be. like really what's going on. I think I just know a couple of niggas to be dissing them in songs. But like besides that, I don't even like even know the situation, really.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to sit here and fucking reiterate everything I ever heard about it. But I mean, you know, people saying he snitching, people saying whatever. But I mean, it is what it does. He was living very, very fast. I don't know, I just know when he was out, he was, I don't know. I guess he was just doing six nine, I don't know. I hear that.

When you look at your career, you've done like, two videos, right? Water and Batman and then you did a video with Yadi. Oh, then, yeah. For that counts too? Yeah, I don't like me show my face. I like being on some rare shit.

But that's weird because you're like a fucking meme rapper and quote on quote or whatever, but like, you know, if you're gonna be a meme, it's like it's supposed to be very, very visual. Exactly. So like I said, I was already thinking ahead of that. Like even after the XX-Sail and shit, I still had one music video for the longest

until the middle of last year with the boom video with Yadi. Right. Like, it was just, like, I've been thinking ahead. Like, I've been thinking the head, like, way back then. Like, I knew it was, I had to be on some shit. On some shit, nigg. I knew I had to be on some shit.

Thanks for the shout-out, bud. Yeah, you feel me? Shout on some shit, no time. But, yeah, I knew how to be awesome shit had to come with, you know, some different type of shit, really, bro. Right. What was it about Batman? You're a huge Batman fan? I'm not.

I'm not a huge Batman fan. I did not read the comments. I'm not in the Marvel. Not in the superheroes. Oh, okay. Super Mario. Really? Still in Pokemon.

You never got into Pokemon Go because when we did that first interview, that was when it first came out and you were like, no, I'm not fucking fucking with it. Jokes on you. I got Mew too. I got a fucking shiny laparice. I got all kinds of shit going on right now. You never played it. You never got in on.

I got a shiny shelter the other day. Fuck with me. That bitch orange. Bro, Pokemon Go is just weird, bro. Like, you only get to like, can you battle now? You can battle now? you can trade. You can do everything now.

All kinds of fucked up shit. They're about to drop Gen 5 on our asses. And that's the last Gen. Mine Jr. coming soon. The last gen I actually messed with it's Gen 4. Really? Well, that's what they're on right now. So it's perfect timing.

Nah, not to play Pokemon. They got legendary Pokemon. They got raids. But there's two rats sitting right here. Oh, you're not doing this. Ratatataz, yeah. I always, like, for some reason, I got an obsession with the rats. I always got to catch the rats whenever I see them.

Are you a rat? My nephews, they're really into Pokemon too and they call me Uncle Rat because they think it's so funny that like the rats. No, I don't like that. No, I'm not a rat like that though, my friend. I'm street certified. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Street Certified.

You dig? Yeah, for sure. Facts. Dude, I remember the funniest. What did you use a great, well, a master ball? I went in the middle. I went with a great ball. You use a great ball in a rat.

You can use a Pokemon, but I thought that type of shit doesn't matter on Pokemon go, but that shit matters in the game. You know what the thing is, is if you're just like spinning Pokesysoft and stuff, you get so many gray balls and ultra balls that you can afford to be very liberal and like pokey balls you're never going to run out but if you live in a type of area like you live in the middle of nowhere those not mad pokey stops then you just you need the balls you got to be like conservative with balls for me and also i open the maximum amount of gifts every day conservative with balls stop it you're too grown for that joke um so you you still got the same team

as when you started yes is that important you hell yeah the same Yeah, because like when people are constantly fire managers, like always have new friends around, there's no chemistry and there's always chemistry trying to be rebuilt. And you have new people trying to understand where you're coming from. And even though sometimes I feel like my manager might not know exactly where I'm coming from, I know he has three years with me of knowing what type of nigger I am to even have an idea. Do you have you had, like, you know, rappers are always talking about betrayal and shit. Like, have you gone through situations where you felt like, damn, like, I came up with this person and they really fucked me over?

Not really, not really. For the most part, it's probably been me who stopped talking to most people, honestly. Like, I kind of stopped talking. Just because they fucked up or just because you're sort of an isolated person? I'm really isolated person, really. Not because they fucked up because I don't take shit personal. Because at the end of the day, I feel like even all the rap niggas, we really don't even know each other personally. Like, it's always, if we're in LA, we link up.

You rarely get to meet people on, like, more than a superficial level. Yeah, for sure. So it's like, I don't really take anything to personally. So it's just like, and I hope they don't take it personally either when I just stop talking to everybody because there has been, you know, a few people I don't want to name that I stopped talking to and it's like, damn, what this nick on? Right. It's really, I'm on some shit.

I'm thinking about myself. That's hard for people to understand that at a certain point. Yeah. Dude, because when we first did that podcast, I remember, like, some girls walked in the room. And you looked at them and I think you just said, bitch, you look good. Yeah, see, like, and like, bro, like, times has changed so much.

I get counseled for saying that shit now. And even, like, some old, a tweet of an old lyric of mine popped up from a booty from a distance. And it was like, I said, young ugly guy, grab your ass without permission. And there were some feminists on Twitter and childhood feminists, you know,

standing up for what they stand up for it. But they were like, that's really sexual assault. I'm like, times just changed gosh because that was a couple years ago I don't even remember ever noticing that lyric and I listened to that song a million times yeah and now it's like

this nigga grabbing niggas ass I'm not grabbing girls ass I just said niggas ass oh man not you somebody else might be grabbing a dude's ass right but like grab this nigga is

touching people without their permission cancel this nigga I don't feel like you're at that but I feel like these days people are smart enough that when they hear about somebody getting canceled, they know that it's got to be some serious shit and there's got to be serious evidence. And when it's just a fucking lyric like that, it's like it usually, they might try to build it up against you, but it doesn't feel like it usually works these days. I feel like, but nowadays, people actually want to be offended nowadays. So, like, they will probably build that up or like trying to push that narrative on the other people too. And then it's just a community and niggis trying to cancel your ass. There was a clip that went viral of like Jerry Springer and a bunch of other comedians or not. not Jerry Springer. Jerry Seinfeld and a bunch of other comedians. And they were all... I'm going to hang out with you. I'm trying to think about some trashy shit.

No, but they were all saying the N-word, like joking around. But this shit was like fucking five years ago or something. Like, even older than that or whatever. And you got to shout out Jerry Seinfeld, actually, because he was the one who didn't say it. And he was the one who was acting like it was weird and everything. But at that time that came out, nobody thought it was offensive. They understood the context of what they were saying.

They were talking about the N-word. And then it's so crazy to me. to think that that shit got dug up all these years later for people to get offended by like, were they just chilling thinking like, yeah, we ain't had anything anything racist in a minute. Like, we gotta fucking dig up some whole shit.

Like that's so crazy. Like I said, people want to be offended. And it's probably people even seen that back in the day and choose to be offended by it now. Like, whack, which is why I stay away from that type of shit. And I do watch what I say now. Like I said, if I was still on that shit, I definitely would have fucked up

and said some stupid ass shit. That would have got dug up. But a lot of the really offensive shit that you probably said in your career and your music is like some of the funniest and most memorable lines. Yeah, for sure. You know? That's like that's a tough thing to decide how risque you want to be about shit. It's just different now, man. Yeah.

So you, this whole time, you never been like, man, you know what? Let me hit that wood. Nah. You're just like, no. I learned how to roll up. I can roll up, though. Who you're rolling up for? Niggas.

I know how I can roll up. I roll a good-ass blunt. But, you know, niggas, like, niggas do, like, backwards, like, you know, I live in Mississippi. So, like, backwards kind of just now getting there, like, in the past, what year or, like, six months, you think? Really?

A lot of times when you go down south, it's hard to find good ones. It's just straight swishers, swishers, games. Oh, yeah, you definitely should be smoking swishers. That'd be funny as hell. I'm rolling up right now where, when I don't got no Swissers.

Man, imagine just sitting around rolling, smoking up wood, that other guy, roll for you. Nah. By the way, as long as you're here, this is an ugly pod. Oh, okay, ugly pod, bro. You're on some shit.

I was thinking about that earlier. You're on some shit. I'm on some shit. I'm not really. I'm off of these little, little spliff guys that we smoke. How often you smoke? You know, whatever, not too much. Okay, okay, okay.

Not too crazy. Yeah, I mean, I stopped smoking wood, so I felt kind of good about that. All right, for sure. I was sweating my ass doing a condomin truck before you got here. I had to be like, yo, hold them in front for five minutes while I wait for my sweat to dry. It was gonna be rest and piece of Adam if you kept on.

if you kept on with it. I was just going crazy trying to get this fucking trick done it. It was just not working. By the way, nojumper.com if you want to purchase a condama. NJK.

And JK, that's fucking crazy that you are just out here just showing showing respect. Hey, but you know it's so funny is those girls

that when they walked to the room and you were like, you were like, did you look good. We bring them back to the crib, right? Yeah.

Girl asked me if I got some weed. I'm like, all right, here's some weed. This bitch starts rolling up on the floor. Like, putting the weed.

on the floor? I'm like there's dust on the... I wouldn't know how offensive that is but I can only imagine. I don't want nobody's fucking... It's like if I gave you a hamburger and you were like, oh sweet, just put it on the ground. Take a bite and put it on the ground. See, I'm not a smoker, so I don't really know. So I wouldn't really know. That was the crazy shit I ever see because I'm like, holy fuck

has this girl ever left the house before? Right, yeah, you still friends with her? I don't know. I never, I never even knew anything about it. I didn't hook up with her. I don't know. As soon as I started rolling weed on the ground, I was like, this is insane. You would do some shit like that. Or roll on the floor? Yeah. Hell not.

No house training. No, I definitely got house training, but I think I'm just a goofy-ass nigga. And like I know goofy er or even other goofy-ass niggins. It's really super hard to even look past that. Who do you hang out with all? I'm so curious about what your life is like. Nobody? I go to my best friend.

I do have a friend that was actually in college at the time. His name's Tip and him and Norder are my two best friends. But that's why I hang out with all. What y'all do? You go get ice cream, the ride bikes are in the neighborhood. Nah, shit, we travel shit. Oh, okay. We be on, shit, blackouts.

Really, it's crazy because all my, like, not that all my best friends are like me, because my friends, most of my friends tend to not even be vocal or like even, like, my friends are really quiet for the most part. But like, we're always, we chill and we have that respect for each other as friends or best friends, but we always do our own thing. That one white kid that you used to always be with. Calvin. Calvin.

You still around? I haven't seen him fucking a long-ass time he actually hit me the other day he's been going through some shit too Really? So I might have been going to be the nigga He'll try to give him advice

I'm going to let him get through What he's getting through Right He's going to take a break from the internet and shit Oh, that's good How do you feel about the current state Of the rap games? Is there a lot of shit

That you fuck with personally And how do you Did you find a lot of stuff That you yourself are attracted to Or that you listen to? Yeah So when I came back online I was like,

damn all these niggas, bro. Like, I came back online to the fucking Cardi leaks. I came on just like in a weird ass time. I came on, when I did kind of dip and dab and come back, I know niggas are like being depressed and shit. And now I got back off. I don't know what niggas are on now. I don't even know.

I don't even know what niggas be on anymore. I don't even know what even rap is anymore, but like the state, like as far as, like the aesthetic. Like, I feel like, I don't know. I personally don't know.

It's so many more, this rappers now. I don't know what, like, a main aesthetic or whatever is or like what even these niggas fans even look like, not these niggas,

but I don't know what even a fan. I don't mean, I don't know, I don't know what's going on, but I really don't. That's interesting. You, do you,

is there anyone you listen to in particular? Yeah. You're driving around? Yeah. I listen to when in time to play, Cardi. That's it. Yeah. And what's the name? I listen to some K-pop and J-pop. There were some moments on your tape where I was getting Cardi vibes a little bit.

Yeah, people said that. So like, so like to clarify, like, like, as far as the beats, because I know I'm down why I'm, there's a moment on the beats where the beat starts to, and I'm like, uh-huh, okay, I'm kind of feeling this little. So like, so, so like, I actually hit up Pierre about that. He actually my favorite producer, by the way, so shout out Pierre. And I do listen his music too. But, so no matter what an artist tells you what they do,

I know besides getting advanced, I never even got that advance from a label for me. But niggas money comes from their shows and their merch. That's where niggas nowadays, hip-hop, that's where these niggas shows come from, and endorsements, of course. But

after this, like, I wanted my album to be real upbeat so I can have more lit shows because that's where the money is. It's the shows and the touring and stuff. So as far as my beats, they were just super uptempo. And rap wasn't like that at one point. That shit came new really when Pierre and Tay Keith came out. So I feel like nowadays for a song to even be up tempo, the beat is either going to be Pierre

inspired. He's either going to be Tekeith inspired or it's going to be like, I guess, kind of West Coast inspired. So that's why I think people kind of got those vibes, which is that's really not what I was aiming for, but I just really aiming for a more uptempo sound and then, you know, it's just like. Yeah, I mean, the beats selection has got to be part of why I felt like had a little bit more of like a hip-hop type sound as well. But when you think about Cardi and like his recent stuff, that's more of like a sort of futuristic way of that outer space style.

It's like a new thing. Yeah, that niggas, it's just Cardi for the most part. Like, yeah. So like, yeah, I want to clear that. I've been, I've been seeing that here and there like, not that I'm trying to be be Cardi, but they're like, damn, this sounds like Cardi would probably rap on this. And really, that's not really what I was aiming for. I was aiming for more uptempo, but like more uptempo is going to sound like this, this

or that. Definitely. So now you got the project out. What are you thinking about in terms of what you want to be doing with their life? Do you want to be on the road nonstop? Are you trying to just be in the studio? Where do you want to see yourself? I want to be on the road with nonstop working, like touring off this album, which is fitting to go

crazy actually. You know, a tour coming up, a little mini tour. I probably have one after that, hitting more cities. But, like, of course, stay on tour, stay on the road. And then also still playing ahead for my next project when I'm going to do, how it's going to be different just like I did with the last one. But I'm not going to take that long break anymore. That was just fucking not really a much a mistake because I'm glad I took that break

because I did find myself and, you know, get over what I was going through. But really just, like, kind of work on how my shit, you know, be different. When I look at you, I look at you as somebody who is more than just a rapper whether you're also like a personality and somebody who could probably do more than just rap. You ever think about being a TV show? I have so, I have so much stuff in mind that I'm actually, I've written down. I write every day, but I've written this down. I want to manifest that.

But a lot of things or ideas that I've spoken on, I feel like every time I speak on something and not specifically somebody copying me, because I doubt everybody, here's what the fuck I'm saying, or whenever they're successful doing what they do, they hear what I'm saying, or get that inspiration for me. But I feel like every time I actually be vocal about it and let people know, like, what I have plan, somebody just does that shit. And then it's like, damn.

So I like to not speak on it, but I have so much shit in mind that I'm about like attack that shit. Yeah, definitely. I don't like to talk about any kind of business ideas or creative things or whatever. I don't like talking about it until I'm 100% sure that it's really happening, like it's happening. Like it's already fully going.

Because you don't want fucking be taking all kinds of different advice and shit from everybody. But yeah, it's interesting. I guess like nowadays, the decision is kind of like, do you start it yourself or do you go to like a complex or a revolt and you're like, yo, I want to start doing stuff on camera or you just like get a camera and be like, fuck it, I'm going to make YouTube videos? I say I try to do it myself and I try to capitalize and maximize as much as I can do by

myself to the point where I know I might need a team or help and then I'm a look for that. But that's not even in my fucking question to look for some shit right now. Right. Do that shit myself. That's what I said. Yeah. Well, hey, ugly God. Really glad you came in and everything. Thanks for inviting me, bro. For sure. I miss you, my nigga.

I miss you, bro. I appreciate you. No, thank you, man. I wish you lived, like, around the corner from me. I wish you were my neighbor so I could just stop by. Be like, hey, ugly God, what's up? I'll be like, you're like, you on some shit. Yeah. Let me know you just make the same joke every time. But that actually, like, awesome shit. That shit fits. That shit works.

I don't know if you knew how much that works, but that works. Well, I mean, I was thinking about that the other day because I was listening to somebody and they fucking shot it out, say cheese in a song. I'm like, man, I don't. I feel like people ever say no jumper in a song. And I feel like it's a pretty good rhyming thing. You could say jumper and the rhymeer with bumper or thumpur or some shit. Yeah.

You got one for them? I got you. I got you. I got you. We're gonna lay that down. And Adam 22, like literally there's a gun that's called 22. I mean, this is easy shit right here. There's a number.

And niggas over here bullshit and you. Yeah. Give me my props, man. All my shout-ups. No, for sure. No, it's good. But no jumper. Awesome shit.

It's some shit. You can just fucking twist and do all kinds of shit. Adam 22. Like when I was listening to TJ. and he said, you know, fuck rolling loud. I shoot up the stage, go hide in the car

and roll some loud. I was like, you know, when the time said that back in that, that niggas said, fuck rolling loud. I was rolling loud. Yeah.

So, yeah, not that TJ copying him, but like that's just some smart ass shit thing like the way niggas could put shit. Niggas is be niggas. But fuck that shit. Hey,

it is what it is. All right. Ogun God. That was Jennifer. Coolest podcast the world. Check us on YouTube, SoundCloud. iTunes go listen to my man's project on all streaming services

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