No Jumper - Unghetto on Regretting Staying in School, Diamond Testing, Yachty Ignoring Him & More

Episode Date: December 20, 2023

Unghetto reflects on his accomplishments, being one of the most popular Youtuber in the world, taking his music career to the next level, how Gary V inspired him, and more. ----- Get the latest news & videos http://nojumper.com CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! https://shop.nojumper.com/ NO JUMPER PATREON   / nojumper   CHECK OUT OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5te... Follow us on SNAPCHAT   / 4874336901   Follow us on SPOTIFY: https://open.spotify.com/show/4ENxb4B... iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/n... Follow us on Social Media:   / 4874336901     / nojumper     / nojumper     / nojumperofficial     / nojumper   JOIN THE DISCORD:   / discord   Follow Adam22:   / adam22     / adam22     / adam22   adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

No jumper. Coolest podcasts on the world. And today, long awaited on ghetto in the building. So I had actually like misremembered reality. And I thought that I interviewed you back in the day. But then I realized that you actually just like, you came and you filmed something with me at the office, right? In like 2019, 2018. Oh, that was it.

We break this down because I didn't know. He told me that you used to interview. I'm like, I ain't see that. I know. And I went and tried to look for it. And then I'm like, oh, wait. I didn't interview him. I just, like, my mind forgot and just felt like I did.

I made him drink thick water. He just gobbled thick water with ease. Doesn't that sound like the gay? Oh, that's hard. What's the thick water? He just swallowed. This used to be a thing that he would do on his channel. It was like a thorough thing at the time, like thick water.

Like, I did it with Dreamdoll and shit like that. It was going viral, like, just seeing who could swallow thick water. It sounds so. It was basically like the consistency of the water. It's like water, but it's super thick. And weird. Yeah, thick water is a beverage specifically designed for people with dysphagia, aka difficulty swallowing.

You can purchase thickened water. Adam ain't got that difficulty, clearly. I mean, I don't understand. It's super weird, but it's just water. But it tastes good, Paul. It feels super thick when you're swallowing. It's weird. I would not know about it if it wasn't for him.

It's just water, though? Why are you curious? Why you want to know? I mean, I never heard of thick water. I'm like, that's the thing. No, yeah, it's just water. I guess it's just water with, like, added components to make it thick. But this was a wave.

Like, you know how everybody just always has something that they're doing and short-form content? I don't know. He was over there at the time. I missed that way, but welcome on ghetto Matthew to no-jumper, you know what I'm saying? On-Ghetto. You're not doing to Matthew no more. So on-getto?

The-Matthew. It's too personal. Ungeto. I'm glad, yeah. When did you drop to Matthew? Like, the beginning of this year, I officially dropped it. But I've been wanting to do it. It's like, you know, one word name.

are more household than more marketable and all that. And especially with the weird spelling of Matthew, I just felt like there was something about it that was kind of hard for me to like stick it in my brain. But Ungetto is nice and simple. I do like that. Where did the name come from originally? Ungetto is like when I was in the hood on an offside,

I was 11 years old and I just felt ungeau. Like I was 11, but everybody like for some reason, it sounds crazy to say, but like, who's going to jail? and like I guess Juvie at the time or whatever but like I just weren't one of them kids

I was just on my creative tip like you know like kids was going to Juvie smoking trees and stuff I was like yo what y'all alone like I don't know

but did you grow up in like a bad area no I didn't necessarily grow up in a bad area it's just like you know I wouldn't say I grew up in a bad area is just sometimes you're forced to move in a bad area

you know what I'm saying but like I wouldn't say though my whole upbringing was just bad or nothing like that I would say that no matter what area like even if it was bad my mother sheltered us pretty well like we stayed in a shelter I ain't even know it was a shelter until I was like 17 and she was like that was a shelter how did you hide a shelter like how did she pull the wool over your eyes I don't know I don't know like I was just young I didn't know what the shelter was Well, I guess I went to a battered women's shelter one time, and it was just, it kind of just looks like a bunch of apartments. Right?

I'm just thinking that every day, like, to go home, you kind of just got to talk to a lady at a desk. Oh, yeah, because that's probably one of the people. So it was normal to you. Yeah, it was normal. Yeah, living in poverty. Yeah, we never lived. We never lived great at that time to know, like, oh, what's the change? You see what I'm saying?

That we came straight from Africa. Like, well, part of it. So that's where you were born. Yeah, I was born in Congo. Wow, until what age? Until one. Oh, so you're really young. We came straight to like New York, Connecticut.

Wow. Damn. So all, Childers Gambino had like an influence on your career early on? Yeah. Yeah, because I don't even know how I've seen it, but like he dropped this song called Freaks and Geeks. Like it was a music video and I don't know it just blew up. And I was like, who's this Childish Gambino?

And it's like he was just him. Like before then I wanted to be Lil Wayne like straight. wanted to be Lil Wayne. I'm like 10 years old. Want to be Lil Wayne. You know what I'm saying? I'm calling myself Weezy. And then Childish Gambino driving is like, damn.

Like this is the first rapper at the time that I'm seeing in my, at my age, that's like himself. Like on the, like, because at the time it was like, if you ain't got big ass clothes or like jewelry or like face tats, you're not rapping, bro. No one's going to accept you into the game. You feel me? Yeah. Childish Gambino just broke his way in there.

I was like, oh, yeah, I could do this. So that's why I gave myself an adjective, like, oh, I'm on ghetto Matthew. Because I like how he's childish Gambino. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. That's dope. Well, it's interesting because, like, a lot of people

probably kind of grow up in situations where they don't have much of a choice, but to kind of turn to, you know, bad stuff, illegal stuff or whatever. But you never felt like that. You always felt like you were somebody that was going to chase after something bigger? Yeah, because we stayed on the north side. And in the north side, that's Gwinnett. You know what I'm saying?

What? Where? It's Gwinnett. That's in Georgia. Oh, so you moved to Georgia when you came from Congo. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. When we came, no, when we came from Congo to New York.

New York, okay. To Georgia. Like, Georgia is, like, eight to, like, high school. You know what I'm saying? Okay. So it's coming of age years, you feel? Right. So, like, when you say Gwinnett and Georgia, like,

the Migos from the Northside It's like when you say the North side people be thinking like super nice You know what I'm saying it's like a nice area But it's like Atlanta's like that like you could be in a Trash-ass neighborhood and look across the street And see like luxury

So it's like even though We was in a trash-ass apartments I could see across the street Them some nice ass cribs So I'm like yo like What the fuck I like? You feel me? So I already

knew like, bro, I'm trying to get to that type shit, because I can see it. A lot of people, like, let's say, I don't know, be growing up in Chicago. I don't really know about, like, other hoods, like, for real, but, like, they don't, they can't see it. You know what I'm saying? They can't see how tangible and close it is, but I guess at a young age, I seen how close that was.

I was like, bro. A lot of rappers I've interviewed over the years have this thing in common where at some point in their life, even though they were growing up in the hood or in an impoverished area. At some point, they ended up making contact with the rap industry or the entertainment industry or just something that kind of like showed them like, oh shit, there's other shit that's possible. And then even though they were still living in the hood or whatever, they just kind of realized that they could break out of that. And in comparison, like a lot of the worst hoods that I've been to and stuff, like the most depressing part is just seeing the like 15, 16 year old kids that literally don't seem like they have any clue that there's another option besides being like a drone. dealer or a gangbanger right right right which is which is kind of crazy like you know I

guess I don't know yeah that's that'd be crazy definitely so okay you start doing the music thing and were you always like dressing kind of eclectic and doing your own thing in that regard yeah hell yeah like always like from from about that same grade I was just always putting on stuff that was like I like to I like to I like to wear stuff that's not objectively good. I don't know how to say it. It's like subjectively, in my opinion, this is good, but someone might look at it and hate it.

Like a big-ass hat, I'd be wearing a big-ass hat. At the birthday party, you have the big-ass hat on. Yeah, someone might be like, that shit in trash. Like, what the fuck? And then someone might be like, that's genius. You know what I'm saying? Who makes that? Where'd you get that?

You don't want to get a drip. Secret. Can tell him from his face. But where do you think you got like, because, like, you're a swaggy ass. Being in Atlanta, you think you develop this style of dressing? Like, where are all this coming from? I think it comes from, like, Michael Jackson.

Like, I'm, like, a huge Michael Jackson fan. I'm not saying, like, I dress like Michael Jackson, but the fact that, like, among, like, he's in, he was, the time that he was in the game and in the industry, right? Like, you see, like, Michael Jackson's come up. Among his, like, peers and stuff, he kind of just did, he kind of stood out, like, Not even kind of like, it's Michael Jackson.

Like, it's like you knew that like Michael's going to wear like the armband. He had like a military type of swagger. Like he just pulled his swag from all different types of things like kings, royalty, military type of shit. You know, glittery shirts like that. Yeah. Glittery socks. I feel like he, like I seen him talk about it sometimes. Sometimes he talked about like why he chose.

to wear like flashy like that and he just wanted like to catch the the human eye you know i never even thought about michael jackson's impact on fashion but yeah when you think about it he is one of the craziest dressers in the history of pop culture crazy so much that you know i almost don't even think of him like that because it was so outside the box which is very true although i don't know how influential he necessarily is because you don't see a lot of people walk around in military gear but for sure like you know he's like a broadway play actor like that kind of clothing just like coming out and being out there in real life. It just makes it like regular.

Like, bro, like, who's just dressing up in military gear, like, mobster gear? Like, you don't even realize that is mobster gear until he's saying, like, yo, I got this from the godfather or something. And you think about it's like, damn, smooth criminal. Bro, nigga, bro, nigga out here dancing in suits, like in nice, tailored luxury suits. Like, that's crazy. With a hat. What a, what a do?

Like, that's crazy, you feel me? Like, even, like, to future. and the fedore, like, he has a lot of impact on, you know, shit just looking regular. That is true. Yeah, he definitely probably influenced, like, high fashion a lot and shit, too. I wonder, yeah, I got to look into that more. He's flashy. So when I wear, like, stuff that's, like, big or, like, catch your eye, I kind of, like, yeah.

And this is just all you by yourself, just putting shit together, and you ain't got, like, a stylist or nothing? Hell, no. I always just, like, be looking on the Internet. Every time I feel like I'm dressing too normal, I get on the Internet, I start, like, looking for weird shit like this. Yeah, who's that guy? This, you know,

yo, what? That's the backpack for a word. Oh, I'm 40 years old. I was, I, Dora wasn't a thing when I was a kid. Oh, where? It came out after, yeah. Damn, damn. Same like SpongeBob.

I miss SpongeBob. I kind of almost get it through the memes because I see so many memes. I don't know, but I was definitely like in junior high or some shit, like past the age of watching. And SpongeBob came out? Yeah, I think. Damn. I mean. I graduated in 2002.

1999 it came out. I was already in, I was like 16. Damn. I was already fingering girls. I wasn't like trying to find out about SpongeBob. Damn. So what cartoon you grew up watching?

He's so pissed that. I don't know about Splashbub. I'm just so like, yo, I just lost chain of thought. You owe this shit, Adam. I know. That's what I'm saying.

How old are you? 40? You did just hit 40. You did just hit 40. You went to the point. You're like so full of youth that is like, I know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's like, yo, future just turned 42.

And we both got bitches. It's like, yo. You said you both got bitches? Yeah, but he got like models and shit. I got the porn stars. I'm not complaining. No, that's hard. He got the bad models, but I got the sex workers.

I mean, he probably, he got the sex workers too, realistically. I got the sex workers. where you're trying. So you initially started off rapping? Yeah. When I was 11, when I was 11, like, as soon as I seen that, I'm telling you,

like the same day I seen Freaks and Geeks, I wrote a rap, like, my first rap, like I wrote a rap on notebook. I still got the notebook. It's like, like, feel like this with just raps. But it was like lyrical-ass rapes, like hopsin-type rapists. Oh, right.

Like, I was rapping rapping back then. Like, niggas had to dumb it down as, you know what I'm saying? But, like, I can rap. Like, how do you decide, like, how far you want to take it? Because, like, a lot of people had this conversation about the J. Cole and Drake's song. That's what she said. Huh? Oh, God damn it.

But, okay, the Drake and J. Cole song, First Person Shooter, a lot of people had that kind of conversation because it's like, Drake definitely made it a good song. Jay Cole wrapped his ass off. And a lot of people are like, oh, he destroyed Drake. If Drake had tried to go, like, mega-literation. on that. Yeah. It would have hit different.

It wouldn't necessarily be like playable. Yeah, it probably wouldn't be such a listenable song if he had gone full M&M on it. Because he got to go like, you know, biggest the white, and then let it breathe. Biggest to what?

You know what I'm saying? You got to like let it. Yeah. And J. Cole wrapped his fucking ass off. But it's kind of like if you have both people doing that on the track. Yeah. Yeah.

Video was stupid. If both people are doing Eminem renditions, like getting mega lyrical. It's OD, right? Yeah, I might, that's where I might die. That's where I'd have. Juice World Eminem song is good.

Because Juice World like slowed it down with the monster song. Right. Definitely. So, okay. You don't know what I'm talking about. Of course I do that. Cole Benavitia. Okay.

Fuck out of here. But okay. But you're also like perpetually online. I'm guessing while you're making all this music and shit, you're just kind of like obsessed with the culture in general and just learning about everything. Man, I ask perpetually. What's that? You were just paying attention to the culture too because you became a YouTuber at a pretty

young age, right? Oh yeah. Hell yeah, like always paying attention to the culture from young, like internet baby for sure. Like since we were so sheltered, stayed on the internet. Like, stayed on the internet, studying everything. Like, so everything that I hopped into, by the time I hopped into it, it's like, I'm so close to mastery. Like, I even DM'd you one day, like, yo, Adam, when you posting, like, TikToks and stuff,

download this app and, you know, put it into here so that it downloads it straight, off TikTok without a watermark. Like I just know certain shit. Like, I sent you that one day. I wonder if I, because I definitely have like a recollection of somebody saying that to me at one point and then me doing it. Because I seen you post a reel and I was like, no. Like, take it the water.

Wait, when you post a reel of the TikTok, then they'll throttle you out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was trying to just like, you know what I'm saying, give you some game right there. But like, yeah, like I just know a lot when it comes to all the internet. As you get older, you need that. Yeah. You need the girls that understand. in TikTok, like it's in their fucking veins.

They know every feature. They know everything. You need those girls around because it does not come as fluently to me at this point. Right. You know? But, uh, okay. Yeah, definitely studying the internet. Soldier boy.

Who are your favorite YouTubers at a young age? I wasn't really, I wasn't watching YouTube. Like, I wasn't, oh, at a young age, Niga, he got. Who's that? It was like an Asian dude. Like, it was like, I thought we was all watching the same thing.

No? I feel like I might have Watch the documentary about this guy falling off. Kev Jamba. Smosh. Yeah. I'm familiar with Smosh. I never really watched it, but.

Niga Higa. You're like, How to be Ninja. You don't remember how to be ninja? No, I remember. Yo, what? How to be gangster? You put me now?

You're bugging. Nigg was getting like a hundred million. Yeah, yeah, this is it. Because Sunny V-2 made a video called why I'm not going to say it, but N-I-G-A-H-I-G-A. I don't know how to say that without basically saying the N-word, why he quit YouTube.

Full of explanation. Sunny B-2 made a video. When that came out? Five months ago, two-point-2-movie views. A bunch of people who made videos. I'm gonna watch that. It's just some random Asian guy. I remember watching it, but I don't remember anything.

You feel me? Niga-higa. Fucking, the sign raw. The sign raw, heavy. The sign raw, heavy. The rap battles. I was just talking to him. We might have a little something special in the works.

The sign raw, bro. Like, yeah, he had reached out and, like, told me he fought with me. like, I think it was earlier this year. I think I was fan-girling. That was early era. You can make fun of rappers. Like on YouTube. Like, you can make jokes about the stupid shit

that rappers do and it will actually work and people will go crazy for it. It'll go super viral. That shit when it came out, like we didn't even know you could do that. It was good days, man. You could just roast rappers and all the goofy shit they do.

Damn. Now it's a whole industry. A million YouTubers doing that now. So, you went from, Watching these YouTubers, like, what made you like, all right, fucking, I'm gonna jump in and try to make some YouTube videos for myself? I mean, I always had, like, personality and stuff like that. Like, I always been a crackhead, like, all through school.

Like, from second grade all the way until I graduated high school, I was always, like, like, personality, just, you know what I'm saying? Like, everybody wanted to be around me. Everybody wanted to be around me for the energy that I, you know what I'm saying? So you're popular in school? Yeah, I was popular. I was I was I was I was definitely popular It was it came to a point like in

When I was in high school like Motherfogers would see me in the hallway and take pictures with me Wow yeah because I was already doing music and like I had like I was on some I was on some soundcloud shit like you know what I'm saying Yeah Because a lot of kids who choose to do their own thing fashion wise or personality wise or whatever Like does not work out very well for them in high school like they get bullied and Yeah

But that's cool that people were actually like into what you had going on Yeah Yeah, because, like, at the time, I mean, especially where I went to school, when nobody doing shit, like, everybody was just going to school. Like, but I was like, I felt like I felt like I was the only, you know, like the meme, like the nigga in the corner, like, looking at everybody else. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I felt like I was like, that guy, like, everybody don't know.

I'm going to be one of the biggest one of them. Take this shit over. Like, for real, though. Like, yeah. I was dropping songs and they were doing like a million and stuff on YouTube and shit like that. Like, I was dropping music already. I seen, you know, you said that you got one of the highest viewed public and public interviews. The highest view, public interviews, right?

For 15 million views, right? Or something like... 13 million. 13 million? Yeah. So, like, how do you... I have, like, the top five highest view public interviews. Really?

Yeah, like, if you type public interview and put view, I'm, like, seven of mine. What's the most viewed one? The 15 million views or whatever you just said. Yeah, that's the... Oh, Tess and Strangers Diamonds. That's the first one I ever did. Classic. Yeah.

Classic for sure. When did you start doing that shit? Was that kind of like your first thing that started to go viral? Nah, it was the kiss or grab. A kiss or grab? Yeah, that was like a cheek hole. Like, yeah, like, so, like, I was looking at what YouTubers is doing and shit. And I was like, I was already dropping music, but I had kind of like, I had, I'm just

straight up, I fell off. Like, I had fell off, like, all the way off because I was in high school doing music and I was popular. But, like, for some reason, I don't know, bro. Like, you just. be in high school you just think you gotta graduate or something. I don't know. Like, I just felt like I owed it to my mother or something.

It was just so important that I get a diploma. I'm not gonna be like nothing in this world without a diploma. That's just what African motherfuck like parents make you think. Well, I mean, you start going to school and you're like five. And that's the whole idea the whole time is like, you're gonna do this for like 12 fucking years, but then you're gonna graduate. So like a big part of my brain did know like I'm gonna be on ghetto. But like another part was.

listening to that programming, like that constant programming of like, you've got to get your diploma, like, what you're going to do out here? Like, what you're going to fall back on? Do you think you should have dropped out? Yes, bro. At what age? I feel like I should have dropped out at 16, 17. I want to say this.

And just gone all in on cloud fame, YouTube, influencer. Bro, I'm talking about like, bro, I'm getting, I'm dropping songs. They're doing a million in a month. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I just feel like, like, like, I, I, I'm talking. I stopped, I wasn't traveling and stuff. People would, like, come to L.A. and do, like, I was, like, school. I got to, I feel like if I wasn't caring about that shit, like, bro, I'd be on some, like,

like, oozy shit by now. But, like, it's. But having to stay home and actually, like, work and shit when you could, what would you have done otherwise? Would you just gone to fucking Atlanta and L.A. and just really, like, been around motherfuckers and, like, really, really. Because I was doing it, but not to the point that I could have, like. Because school's a lot of work.

Yes, it's a lot of work. work at you know what I'm saying and I got like I had like an AP class and shit like that like I was OD in it like trying to you know what I'm saying I for no fucking reason dog like like it was

to the point like me if I'm late to class motherfuckers know it's like oh like where you but like it would be a thing like I come in class like 45 minutes late they're like where you came from now I'd be like LA just got off the plane like you see what I'm saying

it was like that like I wasn't just late because, you know what I'm saying? Like, I was hopping straight off of, like, I had a, I performed with this person last night, you know what I'm saying, beside this mainstream name that I come to school next day. Or, like, I'm with this mainstream niggas,

and I'm just doing a lot. And I'm like- So when you met me, you just, like, we're on, like, a quick couple-day trip to L.A., just doing a bunch of shit. Yeah. Really? Yeah.

I had freshly got signed when I met you. Oh, really? Yeah, I got signed by Epic. Wow. And that kisser grab, from the kisser grab to the time I met you was like a couple months span of just me just

you know because like I said I fell all the way off I'm just and um I seen you said that you started over on Instagram like you deleted my Instagram completely like you know your shit like all types of shit and you just I felt like I had all these followers that had

followed me for like the wrong reasons and shit like that just like you know all types of shit and I just wanted to rebuild a core fan base that like just felt me for what doing from now on. You also said that you were working at Dollar General and people don't know you was working at Dollar General. Yeah, I'm on some Nauru.

He was working at Dollar General and you fucking, you had, you gave yourself two months to create content and you like had a thousand dollars left. For the record, I didn't realize this, but I messaged you first in 2019 and said your channel's funny as fuck, bro. Yeah. That's crazy that I hit you at first. And then you were like, hey, yeah, let's tap in. Sometime.

Okay. Yeah, yeah. Now I get it. I was bugging. I was like, yeah, no, Adam 22.

That's crazy. Yeah. So. I'm known to show up in a random YouTuber's DMs. Because before you, I think before you

had even hit me up, I think I had seen, like, when you're a channel, like, guest subscribers, like notable subscribers, you see it.

They email you sometimes if you have that setting on, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't have that. If you got the app,

you'll see, like, the top 10 people who subscribe to you from like the last 90 days. Every once in a while I go and look at my top subscribers, yeah. So I had seen no jumper. I'm like, the fuck.

I was bugging. And then, like, I was going to, like, ask you for an interview or some shit. And then I seen, like, you hit me. I was like, oh, shit. Like, I ain't even going to ask. Like, let's just connect, like, on some shit. Like, yeah, it was. That was cool.

I don't want to steal your question. I know you had a good question. No, all right. So, yeah, you said you quit your job at Dollar General. And you got yourself two months to make content? Yeah, so it's 2019 At this point I've been working At Dollar General for a year

You know what I'm saying? Yeah I keep crying on the field and shit I'm depressed as fuck as bad So like to kind of lift A mental weight off my shoulders I was listening to Gary V and shit a lot And just the stuff he was saying

Like to young niggas like Oh this is the time to make risk He's like very passionate He's cussing like Take the fucking wrist Take the fucking wrist Quit your fucking job Stop being a fucking punk

I'm like damn He's talking straight to me. I love this mental image of you getting turned up off that. That's sick. You feel me? So I'm just like,

like for real, like gloves on and everything. Like I would watch him and I would just be like, bro, he's talking to me, bro. Like one day, bro,

like I didn't even have a plan. It's just, I just kept listening to him saying like because it felt like it was so divine. Like people would always ask him the same shit. It'd be like some 17 year old like, Gary, I work here,

da, da, da, and I'm depressed. What should I do? He's like, quit that. fucking job, move in with four of your closest friends or anybody, and live modestly

while you chase your fucking dreams. I'm like, fuck, I quit my job, boom. I just, I ain't even, it's like, I didn't even say like, I quit. I just, you got to be there at six, you know what I'm saying? Like, Earl's like, you over with it.

Like, you know what I'm? 6 p.m. 6 p.m. like 6 p.m. to like 4 a.m. I do love that advice, though. Like, that's a period in your life where you really need somebody to tell you that shit. Like, be hardcore, sacrifice. everything in your fucking life.

If you really want to make it, I would say, if I really, if I had to start from zero right now, I would work a fucking nine to five, and then I would come home, and I would spend every single second of the day that I wasn't working, pursuing whatever it was,

that was my dream, and I would eat fucking ham sandwiches, and I would save every last dollar to just try to make it up out that situation again, you know? But niggas don't want to do that, though. Yeah, yeah. I was eating noodles and hot dogs for that whole two months. Like, you know what I'm saying?

And prior to that, for sure, you know? I'm saying? Like, bro, so I quit my job. I basically just six o'clock comes and I'm at home. So it's like, bro, I swear on everything. Like once it turned from 559 to 6, I knew my job is gone. So like, but like it was weird. It was like literally someone just came and just lifted a weight off of my chest.

Like I could breathe. Like, I was like, wow, that was a year of like the worst depression. like it was and I was I just felt like it was over I didn't even make it yet I didn't do nothing yet you feel me but I felt like this is the start this is the start of like you know what I'm saying so I'm like I got two months of rent saved up I got a thousand dollars so I'm feeling like I'm good like I got two months of rent after this two months if I'm not lit I'm homeless you feel what I'm just like I got to make it now so I basically put my back against the wall like that's just me though that's just me i don't i'm not telling nobody just do that you know what i'm saying especially if

you got like kids or obligations or anything like that but that's why you got to seize that opportunity when you're young when you're young like me now it's like i have so many risks that i wouldn't take because of the fact that i have a fucking family a family but when you're 20 none of that shit exists so that's the beautiful thing is like you could do that fail do that fail three times and still be you know what i'm saying start from ground zero like pick yourself up and that's why i think it's a big mistake for people that have kids early because you're basically forcing yourself into a mentality where you're not going to be able to take risks and not be able to like really pursue something bigger you know to try shit and lose because you're going to have so many

responsibilities you don't really want those responsibilities until you already have some shit going on right so um so 6 p.m. come 6 p.m. my brother's like what the fuck is you doing because I'm staying with my brother and our friend and I'm like bro just I'm going to do what I got to do every day Hey, I'm waking up. I'm making content to my song. I had a song called Let You Go. My manager, like, I already talked to him and shit. I'm like, bro, like, we already set the plan.

He didn't tell me to quit my job. Yeah. But I did it, you know what I'm saying? I don't even think I told him. I was just like, every day promoting, promoting on Instagram, like dancing in Kroger's and flipping off of like self-checkout machines and shit to the song. And it was just going up like that. it was just building the anticipation for the song.

I don't even think the song was out yet. And then I did a kiss or grab. At this point, though, I'm still trying to drop YouTube videos, but they're doing like 100 views in a week. Like, you know what I'm saying? So, but I did a kisser grab where I grabbed this Hispanic lady ass. And she had a lot of ass. And I was like, and she was like, oh, pop, beep, bye.

like you know what I'm saying yeah and bro that shit just went viral like the shit went up and but the thing was I was strategic with it I was like anything to like promote my music type shit at the time you I'm a kid I'm gonna fuck it like so like like every time I would grab ass in the video or get a kiss on cheek it was like I'm a flex somebody ex flex on a ho the song will play so like that was the victory song so like I had dropped it on YouTube I woke up the next day Like, mind you, we're like a month and a half into, like this is a month and a half into the two months span. And you're all right.

So like at this point, every day I'm just posting something. You know what I'm saying? This one just like I'm failing, failing, failing. I guess failing, but I guess it's progression. This one I woke up 50,000 views. At that time, I'm like 50,000 views, you know what I'm saying? I never got no 50,000 views on my YouTube or nothing like that. So I'm like, this is it, this is it.

And then like, I'm just like, I don't know. I'm just like, I can't just, I got to keep making content. I keep making content. Like, I look at it at like night. That shit was like 250,000 views. I went to sleep, woke up the next day. It was at like 400,000 views on YouTube. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? I'm just like, yo, I'm fucking viral. I did it, right? I don't got no money yet because mind you, the video yellow. The video yellow mark because of the ass. I was like, but like, but I was just happy to see something, some kind of like, you know. And it was like I had got a couple emails from like, like record labels like cash money and shit. Like epic records.

And we took a flight to epic records. They flew us out. I performed for Sylvia and like like I played music. Did my thing. Like I had to perform. But, you know. You still just You get up on the table like Bobby Schmurter

It was like I felt like at this moment It was like at this point But I did a flip off the like It was like a little couch I did a flip off that shit And the ceiling's like this Like I like OD like

They was like amazed on some shit Like yo like And ghetto like you're the future Da da da like And you happy as fuck you different You a breath of fresh hair And they was just like How much I want

And then yeah It was just They were offering some blow ass money No, they was like, how much do y'all want? Right. And what did you end up? Like, how'd that go? To experience.

Like, you know what I'm saying? All right. So you signed with Epping. You've been signing them since that. Yeah, I've been signing them since that. Yeah. So that was a life changing. It was like right before the two-month span of me about to be like, I just did it.

I just went full thought on and did it. They found my song off the kiss or grab and like. Right. Yeah. And then I dropped the song and it did like 50,000 in a day, which it was like as a new nigga like as like coming back on the scene that was like crazy for me and it was just like from there and so yeah how did they like how happy are you with your time being signed to them um man being signed for a new artist is like a roller coaster um i had this song called i got this song

called plastic and it has like a whole bunch of streams like 50 million streams on some shit right and it's like i'm grateful that you know you kind of got to, it's like you gotta, you gotta give a take, you got to give and take, you know, like you can't really just have everything you want when you sign, you know, because like I got the sample cleared, you know what I'm saying? It was, it was samples that I had in the songs I was making at the time that I would not be able to get cleared or anything if I was independent, especially like being like, I would go for the biggest samples of all, like that was a Barbie Girl sample.

You know what I'm saying? And it was like, I wouldn't be able to get that clear. That's just- That's a benefit of signing that I wouldn't have really even thought of, yeah. Yeah, just some young nigger in Atlanta. And these niggas are in Sweden and, like, Denmark. It's a group, an old group that is, like, they're all living their own lives. It's like, it's very hard to clear a song like that.

Like, even with the label, that took a minute. That took like eight months for them to clear. Okay, so when you sign, are they all up in your shit trying to manage a lot of different parts of your career? or are they kind of just like, all right, do your thing and send us your music when you make it? No, that's the thing. They're kind of just like,

do your thing. At first, it's more like they got me all up in the studio. They got you like in, you know what I'm saying? Like, but that's what, you know, the whole thing with me is accountability and like a lot of artists

don't be accountable. You know, they'd be like, the label da da da da, da, the label this, label that. And it's like, honestly, you got to, take accountability. It'd be both sides. You know, I look at where a lot of artists go wrong.

Like, I'm very self-aware. I don't just, I'm not just going to be like, oh, they fucked up here and they're, like, for example, I wasn't really in the studio as much as I could have been, which, and I would always use big-ass samples, which slowed down the release of, like, my consistency and, like, my process first coming out the gate. Like, I dropped plastic, and the next song I had that was, like, that was, like, you know, like popping was high and it was like there was like an eight months span in between that you what I'm supposed to be hitting them with it and it's like I couldn't really just be consistent

and just like apply pressure like I should have how do they feel about you as a YouTuber do they are they happy about it because it's like oh this is going to promote your music or are they kind of annoyed because maybe it's not the best thing for your image as a rapper or something uh I feel like see this is how I feel like this is how I feel about with like labels and teams and like management and stuff when it comes to the whole YouTube thing it's like okay motherfuckers would be like yo don't like do this or like oh the stuff you're doing with like this don't really be on that because you know you want to be serious as an artist and da-da-da and then like let's say I'll drop a YouTube video and

it does like 5 million views and the intro song is my song and everybody's like what's this song what's this song and it has the song going crazy then niggas is like yeah you gotta that's smart that's smart you see what I'm saying so it's kind of like

I always that's what made me kind of feel like I'm gonna just do what the fuck I want to do because I did have times and periods of times where I did listen to the label The label or whatever I'm not the type of nigga that I want to throw the label

under the bus and I'm like that because, you know, it, but sometimes I did take that to an account and I was like, okay, I'm gonna just chill off the YouTube shit and just go, you know, try to be full,

like, just chill off the YouTube shit. And it's like, when shit wasn't as engaging and I didn't have the engagement and shit, now niggas want to like back off you or like they don't want to, you know what I'm saying, push you like,

that is because it's like, you know, engagement not there. You know what I'm saying? So it's kind of like the fuck like when I'm, when I'm, when I'm doing all of me, the engagement be through the roof and y'all want to push the music and shit because the YouTube brings shit to the music. Like, you know? Yeah. I brought hell of views to plastic off of me doing YouTube.

Plastic blew up off of me and my brother doing like shit on TikTok and it became a trend out of nowhere. You know what I'm saying? So like if I wasn't so involved with like the creator aspect of things and like just doing what I do on social media, it's a lot of shit that wouldn't have happened, you know, for my career. Did your brother have any? Because your brother's king imprint? Yeah. Yeah.

So he was doing this thing before you a little bit. Yeah, he was doing, he was doing his thing before me, I'm dancing. But it's just, I just never wanted to be a dancer. But of course, I'm going to get dragged into that world a little bit. That's my blood brother. So it's like, yeah, like. He did he have been. on like the marketing because he he's good at marketing

himself and shit too like did you learn any of that from him or like I was working yeah that time that like 2016 in Atlanta was like a crazy year for like dancing and shit 2015 2016 2016 2016 was the fucking year bro that's when shit really went crazy with SoundCloud rap and like just so much shit culturally kind of like goes back to that year

bro like niggas was hitting them folks like a motherfucker like it was the dances were just going crazy the whip came out like the neney like all that shit had just like blew up you know what I'm saying it was like songs were getting promoted like shit niggas was getting paid like you dance to my song you dance to a nigga song post that bitch on instagram shit'll do like a million views in like two days we got Trump that year too which is pretty crazy by who like the people voted for him oh word it's just when you look at that alone like that's a pretty wild fucking thing and then like so like all the records that niggas was breaking it all the records that niggas was breaking

like bro we dancing the songs like my brother was dancing the songs i'd be like helping out and he would get 80 million views shit like that you know what I'm saying it's like that would all go to the whoever the respectful artist you feel me so it kind of got to a point where it was like when it was time for me to really take on this code of music for real it's like fuck we'd be breaking all these other niggas songs you had the formula we could break our own music so that's what we that's what you know what I'm saying that's how I was popular in school for my music and She is like, bro, go ahead, make a dance video to my song real quick to my brother. It's like, you know what I'm saying?

He would pipe my shit up. It was like, it was a cheat code. It was just we could dance to our own shit. When I think about the decision between being an artist or a YouTuber, I was thinking of DDG. Because he's like one of the YouTubers who kind of like became the most successful musically or whatever. And you've seen him go back and forth, I think a couple times of like not doing YouTube anymore. And then he just kind of starts doing it again.

Because I think to him, that's just like his hustle. Like that's how he grew up Was he making YouTube videos And once you're a YouTuber It's very tempting To just fucking do it And it's like on his Like I guess maybe people would take him more serious

As a rapper If he didn't do the YouTube thing But then at the same time it's like I don't know It feels weird to like stop doing something You like doing Just to like appease some percentage of fans That aren't even really your fans

Yeah Aren't even really your fans But might fuck with you if you stop doing it It's like a weird decision And then I see his girls fans Making fun of him For being a YouTuber Once in a while on Twitter

And I'm like Oh shit, that's got to be crazy to be a YouTuber dating an actress. Adam, bro. You know? Adam. That was a big, that's a huge conversation. Like, that's a conversation, bro. Like, it's like, bro, I'm doing what I'm doing on YouTube.

It's getting me, like, lit and shit. Motherfuckers be like, like, you'll have somebody, I don't know. I don't want a name drop. Some crazy-ass mainstream artist like, yo, I was like watching your YouTube video. You funny as fuck. But, nigg, your music hard. Right? He would have never found me if I wasn't doing no YouTube shit.

But it's like, I'm going to stop this formula for to look cool to some, you what I'm saying? Or like, no, you want to be like, you want to look serious and like, bro, niggas do whatever the fuck they want. At the end of the day, this is how I feel. When something works and, like, you're lit, no one really gives a fuck how, you know what? Because, bro, you'll literally like, I'll sit back and be like, you know what? let me chill off the little, the funny shit.

And then it'll be some fucking TikToker that gets the biggest song or some silly-ass motherfucker that just make a fucking billboard hit because he has the fan base and the engagement to do it. And then girls all the time, as soon as they blow up, like the fucking DeMilio sisters, what do they do? They start making music right away. You feel me? And if you make a video that gets a million views and you have your song in there,

a couple little bits of it and chunks and shit. I mean, that shit is getting into people's heads. Yes. And if your music is good, it's gonna fucking translate into a lot of streams. I was just thinking about King Yellow's fucking intro song. I get that stuck in my head sometimes.

And I'm gonna be honest with you, I don't think I ever got a King Yellow song stuck in my head before. So I'll give it to him. You know, it works if you just kind of keep hitting with it over and over. And to roll off the DG conversation, like the money be good, bro.

Yeah. Like the money be good at the end of the day. And it's like, I'll stop. Like, damn, I'm gonna listen to a nigga like, stop this kind of money. because I got to look or be like respected by people who might not even respect me is like, like, I'm feeding my family.

And I'm funding my music career. And when you sign, you get an upfront amount of money, but then you stop getting the money from your streams and shit. So it's like, you're looking at the YouTube thing. It's like, oh, this is how I can hustle right now. And at the time was epic, they didn't have anything to do with your YouTube. That was all you, right? All me.

All me, yeah, all me. And it's like, yeah. I sign and that's like, you know, it'd be like a mental roller coaster like, damn, man, if I would have just waited like, but I got like, like I told y'all. Yeah. I simultaneously like blew up on YouTube and signed. You know what I'm saying? Because it was like I just was so desperate to get out of the situation that I was in,

you know, as far as like dollar general and just being like my bank account and the negatives all the fucking time. Like I was just so desperate to get out of that. And like, I feel like if I would have just waited it out, like even just a month, like, like the month after I signed, like, I'm making thousands of dollars on YouTube. Like my YouTube checks start 4,000, 15,000, 20,000. So it was like, before I knew it, I made my advance. So you regret signing a little bit? I mean, you might have been able to sign the same label a couple months later for more money.

Before I knew it, I made my advance. So it's like Damn You know what I'm saying It's just like damn And before you sign you're working a regular job $100,000 or whatever you got Is like way more than you could ever fucking imagine

When you're making 10, 15 bucks an hour Whatever you know But then once you sign Now you're around all these people That really understand the game You're having conversations with artists Who are successful And you're starting to like get knowledge from them

And all of a sudden you start seeing everything different But I will say I've also seen artists like you who missed their window to get signed and they could have got six figures or seven figures but then like the steam started to die off a little bit and all of a sudden all the labels get cold feet

and the opportunity just passes them by which is kind of weird though because a lot of times it's like the label like the people might have lost interest anyway you know for some of these artists and it's like they had that opportunity to get a bag but like realistically they probably would have got the bag and then still had shit just fizzle out

at least they would have the label that maybe be able to help them out Wow, that's a crazy, that's a crazy thing you just said because that actually happened to me like three times before that, before that 2019 moment. Really? Meeting up a label, hella great, da-da, and then I like lose theme because, oh, let's just wait. And you'm saying, let's keep.

And it's like, you know? So, like, at that point, I was just like, fuck that. Like, I'm taking this, like, I got to take my window. You feel me and that? Like, I kicked the dough like as far as, like, there was no, like I know how I know how good my music is so I wasn't really too worried about like what my first deal is like and shit like that

like you know because I know like people I look up to it whether it's like Uzi or like everybody thug or like bro niggas had a bad deal you feel me and it's like depending on how what you do your accountability like you got to take accountability

for the decisions that you make you can you know capitalize and create a way better situation, you know. Did you have that song with Yadi before you song? Yeah, I had that song with Yadi in high school. Yeah, like, super popular in high school. You must have been fucking lit if you had a Yadi song in high school.

Bro, I was lit. Like, I was lit. That's why I said, like, bro, I should have dropped the fuck out. Like, I posted, like, the snippet to that Yadi song, like, just doing a little dance with my friends to it. The shit did a million views in a day. Right. Like, you feel what I'm saying?

It's just like, but I don't really. live off the whole should or coulda woulda. I love all of this because like, it's all part of your story. It's all a part of the story. And when I pop, I'm gonna have a core fan base that's gonna be like,

like, I already have a core fan base that's there to say like, no, like, like that fight for me in the comments and shit like that when I get posted on certain like outlets and people are like, oh, now he wanna do music or like, oh, he just, it's like, nigga, no, this nigga Ben snapping and shit like that. You know, I'm not just some

overnight that just popped and it's like, when shit goes left, no one's there to vouch for you, you feel me? Like, I've been building a fan base for a very long time, more than, like, people know. How did you get the song with y'all in the first place? I paid for it.

Oh, sure. Yeah, I was in high school, and, like, in print, he was getting bread. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, my brother was getting bread, dancing the niggas songs and shit. And, like, I think someone had gave him, like, some bread. You know what I'm saying? Like, someone had paid him, like, 30 bands, and then, like, some 30 bands for another, like, video. That was like two videos or something like that and like I was helping him with every video

So he just gave me on he gave me like he was like like on some little brother shit like yeah, oh here's six He's six bands or something I'm like Then you bought a feature with it. Yeah and at that time like Yadi had like Just I don't even think Yadi would remember this shit like for real Like I don't think Yadi would remember this shit like he's like very with the culture and pays attention to the underground and shit So I wouldn't be surprised if he's kind of been observing you the whole way but Yeah, like, I don't know. There's definitely people I met early on.

I feel like at that time, though, like he was just getting mad features. Like, broccoli had probably like just dropped. Right, yeah. It was like one night in broccoli. Like peak of Yaddi 1.0. And it was 2016. Like, I'm like, how much a feature? Da, da, da, da, da.

It was like, $2,500. I was like, bet I'm going to get the $2,500. I hit them back up with the $2,500. They were like, it's $3,500. Like, it was like, two days would go by. It's, like, it was going up like that. I'm like, no, no, no, please. like y'all said 25 y'all just said 25 hundred i have the 2,500 like and it was like bro i we'll do

like three or something like that and like i was just like i sent it like here like and then like i'm on the school bus like a week later like bro and like i was sitting on the back of the bus i'm like it was like yadi 23 and i opened the folder and I played the verse, and we just all started whaling in the back of the bus. Like, I'm 16 years old. We're like, yeah. He would not know this shit.

Like, he would not know. Like, he ain't even, we never even, like, spoke about doing the record. It was on some shit, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I had met him a couple times on some shit, like, afterwards. But, like, this is how Yadi dat me up. Like, that me up. Like, bro, like. Yeah.

Yeah. I got a few of those in my life, yeah. I just got that the other day, accomplice con, from him. Like it was all bad. And Yadi, like, if you see this, like, it ain't even know, it ain't even know, it ain't even no pressure. But like, I was like, damn, like. Maybe that's just how he shakes hands. It is awkward when you're like a celebrity because there's so many different ways that people dab you up and different parts of the country is normal.

You know, like some people are like bringing in and hugs. Some people really kind of do like a hand shake. New York. They fucking snap the fingers. I was like, yo, like, what's good, Yadi? I fuss with your shit. Like, he was like this. Like, he was like this.

Yeah. like we was in the studio and shit like he just like that happened to me that happened to me with yadi specifically yadi specifically like three times right i'm like yo like that's his thing at this point i mean i just felt like he just like who the fuck is this nigga he's famous as fuck it's hard to like make them actually remember you honestly like it's an underrated thing but as a rapper is trying to come up or whatever you got to kind of accept a little bit of the of the of the insult and just keep rolling with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It kind of just give me drive. Like, that ain't to bash Yadi and nothing like that. Like, I ain't on some shit like, you bet. Like, nah, it was just on some shit like, okay, I'm gonna get lit enough to where like he respects my handshake. Because when you're young in the game, it's hard to realize that somebody like Yadi

has literally met like a million people. Like so many people. It's really fucking hard to keep all their names straight in your brain, you know? So you got to kind of, So, but I mean, I do think about shit like that and I'm like, nah, like every motherfucker I'd dapp up. Like, that's why like even like Heath, you came in, dab me up. Like I stand up when I dab niggas up. Like I kind of give like the most up most respect like with a doubt.

You know what I'm saying? Look him in the eye and everything because I don't want no one to ever feel like, and this nigga just hold me like. Yeah. That's real shit. That is real. I met you before I even was working at No Jumper. Well, I was working for No Jumper just remote.

We was at Metro Mars video shoot. Remember that, right? Yeah. And you show love that day That's why I fucked with you Because I'm like bro You know what I'm saying Because you got your shit going on

But she's always been humble and shit Yeah But what was you even doing With Metro Mars that day Like what's our friendship? Oh What the fuck was I doing? Atlanta is like

Atlanta scene is like Just Artists just be Fucking Lincoln Like I don't I don't fuck The nigga hard Yeah he's in my career

Like a week out of that I was on shrewms though night going crazy. It was like mutual friends. Like I had like my boy Lovato also. He was there too. Yeah, he, he fell with Metro Mars. He was like, yo, we pulling up on Metro.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Metro Mars. I was like, oh, bet. I think I just tagged along and I. Oh, all right. And then like me and Metro like tapped in. But I was already listening to Metro Mars and stuff like that at that time. As far as like the Atlanta scene, like who would you like who you would you say

influenced you like from Atlanta that you looked up? to come out of there. Doug. Doug. You fuck with Gunners still? You're making it this kind of interview? I'm always going to know what I'm saying? How do you feel about the Gunner shit?

Gunning Young Thug situation? I mean, I'm not one of them street as like OG rappers. He's un-Ghetto. It don't like, the word gunner don't shake me. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like it shake OGs for some reason. It's not like a...

When you think about like weird Atlanta rap, Yadi, Thug, like, there's just like a lot of artists around that time period that were kind of like really because Atlanta just been so on. Putting Yadi and Thug in the same like...

You're right. That's a broad generalization because you're talking about Thug who had been out and popping for like five years before a Yadi came out. But, you know, it's all kind of part of like a similar lineage of like weird Atlanta rap. Cody Shane.

Yeah. Ouzi. A lot of shit. You know what I'm saying? Thug is like with Migos and them like, you know what I'm saying? I mean, Thug as time went by became a more normal rapper. Even though he's still a freaky-ass rapper.

But like when you go back to his early shit, it was weird as fuck. Like nothing I had ever heard before. Word. And still, he's like one of the strangest, most creative rappers out. We kind of like are just used to it now

because his style became sort of normal. There's like so many rappers that kind of sound like Thug. It makes you feel like thugs normal now. Yeah. All right, here's a bad. Who would you put on Atlanta Mount Rushmore of rapping? Um,

you're funny, man. We keep doing this to everybody and everybody gets uncomfortable. I stay there, bro. So like, bro, I'm gonna just say this first. Y'all, bro, like,

y'all niggas be trying to act like niggas need, like, I know you said Atlanta, but y'all be trying to act like niggas need biggies and the Gucci mains and shit like, suck my dick, bro.

Like, for real, like, I'm not going to have what y'all think I should have. I'm going to say my Atlanta Rushmore and you're going to have to deal with it, nigga, like. Well, I prefer that because if you're going to do like all time, I mean, that's boring. That's like everybody should have the same answer if that's what it's going to be. Wait, everybody should have the same answer? Well, if you're going to do like the best or most important rappers, then everybody should have kind of the same answer, right?

But like, say it. Say it. If I'm going to do a top five, then I'm going to do my personal, like, top five that I've been the most moved by, the most motivated by and that I spent the most time. listening to throughout my life. Like run DMC are some of the most important rappers of all the time. I didn't grow up listening to it because I'm too young. You know?

Right. Whereas also like Travis Scott is the most fucking important rapper in the world to a whole generation of kids. And it's just not that important to me. Oh, okay. Because of my age or whatever, you know? So it's like if you're going to do the top five, let's hear your top five. Atlanta.

Thug. Number one. Number one. I feel that. Number one. fucking Atlanta Migos that's big megos they can be one I agree they can be one yeah on the yeah yeah I don't want to separate them and then megos because then you're done Northside legends yeah then I'm done well if you put all three of them then you're

the Mount Rushmore is done oh yeah um Atlanta yeah yeah just Atlanta or Georgia and just impaired just in in general yeah like like wait we're talking about artists Artists like artists. Who are you putting up to? My Mount Rushmore all the time. Of your favorite artists? Of all time. All time.

You are favorite. Nigger, one Michael Jackson. Oh, shit. Yeah, number one is Michael Jackson if we're doing that. No, I'm talking about from Atlanta. Oh, I was going to say. Oh, yeah, yeah. I was in a say.

No, Atlanta artists. Does future have a place on this list? Atlanta, Mount Rushmore? Yeah. For sure. In the overall, Mount Rushmore? Definitely. But on your personal, I'm interested if he has a place.

On the Atlanta Mount Rushmore personally for me. Free band gang. Yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Thug, future, Migos.

Mm-hmm. Try that, James. Andre 3000 playing a flute. What? Is that really a flute? Did he really not rap on that album? I haven't listened to it, but that's the word on the streets, yeah. That's gonna piss me off, but um I should probably listen to it. It's gonna be confusing

I might sample it though. That's what they're saying on the streets like the niggas gonna be sampling the hell out that album but they were saying that he's been playing flutes on a bunch of rappers instrumentals but made them promise to keep it low-key I can look it up if you want number four soldier boy that's hard I like that I like that he's an op I like that he is you know folk on no jumper no for real Yeah, he wants him dead. He said he's going to come up here, so. He put money on my head.

He put a 50 piece on my head. Word? On God. On God? On God. On S-O-D-M-G. Soldier Boy sent a hit. And you still here.

I'm just out here living. And I'm just doing the interview here. S-O-D-M-G aim what it used to be. I'm sorry. Like, do they know this location? Like, they could probably figure it out. He probably got it. it. I am just kidding, because now you seem kind of uncomfortable like someone like I'm in spraying

I'm just like, yo, what? But if I did find that out, I wouldn't be that surprised. No, I'm just saying like, yo, I wasn't really odd trip and I was just like, yo, you were savage. Like, you're just going to work every day. Like, no one is a 50 piece on your head. Like, if you found out those money on your head, what would you do different? I'm not going to the same location every day. That's, that's more. I'm switching it up. All right, today we're recording here. Like, yeah, for sure. But that's, that's, that's, that's, That's four, right? My original.

Yeah, that's fine. We'll slide with it. Yeah, yeah. So, okay, like, then, I feel like then you, like, really started blown up on YouTube when you started doing the fucking, all the viral shit. Yeah, all the diamond tester and, like, making a couple switch phones, that's when, like, YouTube was like, like, like, touch shit. You have rappers.

Scared walking through Linux. Scared. Man, so who's the first big rapper that you walked up on and did the diamond tester? And did you invent that, or was there somebody who you got from? No, Kell & P invented that. But, like, I just, like, when I did it, it's just. just like when I did when I do any idea I never made any idea that I do matter of fact like I just want to put that out there I've never created an idea it's just every time I do something it was

just like people want to watch me do it like you know because like my energy and shit and just and and and you're young enough that like like like biting it's like no this is like on TikTok everybody do the same dance everybody doing it's just when I do it yeah when I do it's like you know that's how the YouTube community be like probably interview and shit like everybody do the same one like for a moment of time like everybody gonna do kiss or grabs everybody gonna test strangers. But is there a line where it's

it is just straight up copying and have you ever felt like somebody bit your shit too hard? That's not what you mean. Has someone like took one of your video concepts or anything from you that you like damn that nigga bit my shit like all the way. Niggas had I wouldn't nah

because I don't give a fuck about YouTube like I never had no passion It was, I ain't a lie, it was like, it was just me. Like, I could just hop on this shit, be, like, me. And, motherfucker's like, damn, I like his energy. But, like, and, nigga, I wanted bread. I'm not going to be sit here and capture y'all. Like, man, I'm passionate about being in the mall.

What the fuck, nigga, you're trying to get some cash. Like, it's like, bro, if niggas said right now, like, you're not going to get no more cash for YouTube. I'm not doing it no more. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, like, that's how that was. I'm just. Those, oh, testing diamond videos, like, went bad.

Like, a nigga was like, hey, don't put this out type shit. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, but... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah. A rapper, like, someone in the game? I kind of had to, like, stop doing them things. Like, yeah. Almost got to fighting or something, right?

Yeah, just like, bro, I don't want that. Like, I'm an artist, too, so it's kind of like, I can't just be out here, like, with all these beats in Atlanta and shit. And like, because like Atlanta's like weird, bro, you'll be fucking, you're going to run into somebody again. Like, whether you think you is or not, you just is. Because Atlanta is like a fun place. Like the vibe of it is energetic and fun and cultural. But then there's some scary ass dudes that you don't want to fuck with.

And a lot of them wear chains. And a lot of them wear chains. Like I don't met a lot of like of them niggas like off of doing the diamond test and shit. Like I ain't even know who they were. ran up on them, texting it, beep, beep, beep, oh, shit. And then, like, go home and post it. And motherfuckers, like, oh, that's, like, big Meeches, nephew or something. I'm like, oh, shit.

Like, you know what I'm saying? It's like, damn, like, just certain shit. Because if it's a random buster, it's hilarious. But if it's the kind of person who might do something, then all of a sudden it could get real tricky. Yeah, I definitely, some niggas definitely, like, try to threaten me and shit, but it's cool. Now, I ain't gonna lie, like, the content that I really, like, I've been watching.

watching the Diamond Test of shit. But the swapping the phones. Yeah, that was like... That shit did it. That was my off-y-bedder. Yeah, that shit really was hitting. Like, niggas was getting mad at that because, like, you kind of fucking on the niggas game on that one.

Like, what's the worst? I don't know, though. I feel like I was really helping niggas more than fucking up that game. Like, imagine you's chilling in the mall with your bitch. You spending a bag on her. And then some random-ass nigger on ghetto comes out of nowhere and shows you that your bitch is sending niggas hard and shit.

Bro, thank me. I'd be hurt. You feel, like, bro, it's like, oh, y'all trust each other? How long y'all been together? Three years. I'm like, oh, shit. Like, y'all ever been through each other phone?

You ever been through our phone? Nah, I don't go through phones. Chabial. I'm like, bro, I'm fin to show you what's up today. Open that phone up. Wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no, no, what's up? Let's go through the phone.

What a minute? Go to the phone. You see what's going on. what percentage of people would agree to it versus just like nah we ain't doing that i like at first like 90% like the first video but then they started the first video went so fucking viral it went so fucking viral like 8 million on youtube and like 80 million on facebook holy shit bro you're monetized on there too no i'm talking about just facebook pages oh people just post people steal my shit all day yeah like yeah like you don't know

Post a Facebook? Nah. Remind me to hit you up about that. I could get you a deal. Okay, for sure. Yeah, like, crazy shit. Okay, so it went stupid viral. You know what I'm saying?

And, like, after that, like 10% of couples, like, it would be like, nah, not, like, niggas would see me with a, like, you know what I'm saying? And be like, like, like, straight up. I ain't even say nothing. They'll see me across the hallway, like,

like they already know, so. it became like really hard to do those videos and the malls the malls in Atlanta be hating man Lennox mall be hating like a motherfucker bro like just trying to take a nigga to jail bro like for over filming bro because it's no because it's me filming oh really I walk in the mall in camera or not niggas like whole team like following like bro I know y'all following me like they'll like try to like lag ling girl on behind me and My niggas is like, bro, I know y'all following me.

I'm not, I have to walk up to the fucking, I'm not doing a fucking video today. I'm chilling, like, relax. I'm shopping today. Like, you feel me? Like, Lennox be hating, man. And the whole time, I made Lennox a staple. I made Lennox a huge monument in. Because every single video would seem to be like, oh, I'm at Lennox Mall.

People would, and it would ring like, yo, people would literally be like, yo, I got to travel to Atlanta and go to Lennox Mall. I feel like the Lennox Mall is like the center of hip-hop. in a way. Because Atlanta is the center of hip hop in America and the fucking mall is kind of like the place where everybody's got to go at least once in a while. And you know everybody's just like

the number one. It's like an all-day club. Yeah. So when they see it and then when they seeing me like catch other celebrities in the mall, testing day diamonds and stuff it, you know, all that shit was just all at once helping a lot. You was going crazy. How are you in blueface get so cool?

Because I see him he in a couple of your YouTube videos. and shit too. Great American. I just, I just, I just, I just DM'd him on some shit like, yo,

let's do a video. He was like, a bet, like, like, pull up. And I was, I had capped,

actually. I was like, I'm gonna be in L.A. tomorrow, like on some shit, like, you think about I tell Blueface,

I'm being L.A. tomorrow. he'll do a video with me. Like, urgent. Yeah, like, I'm gonna be in L.A.

tomorrow. Like, we need to do a video. It's my last day. Whole time I'm in Atlanta, I don't have no flight or nothing. But he just hit back and was like, okay, bad. Like, pull up in the afternoon. I'm like, fuck.

I go straight to the internet, like, trying to book a flight. I'm like, this shit, like, $700. I'm like, fuck it. Book the shit. I made, like, three bands within, like, the first hour of the video dropping. So it was like, we did a Smash a Pass, like, where he's just saying, like, who he's Smash a Pass and shit. And we, like, saying who he smashed a pass.

and the shit did like the shit went so crazy like the shit did like a million views in like 40 hours on YouTube and yeah I had to take it down because like why

you know no this was nah nah nah nah nah nah he made you take it down or got taken down

about YouTube nah just you know one of the girls in the video one of the celebrities that wasn't feeling it Whatever. And so they asked him?

No, I woke up to like 10 DMs like, like, this ain't cool. Did he say something disrespectful about her? Da-da-da. Nah, he was just like, smash. But like, I guess he like actually smashed. So like she was in. Nah, nah, nah, nah.

You got to tell me off camera. I want to know what else is smashed. That's my home. That's my home. Everybody he fucks. Yeah. It was just like. No, but like the internet knows they smashed.

Oh, okay. Yeah, so it was like, I guess she was in her feelings because, like, like, she felt tried on some shit, but it was like, bro, smashed in these type of video is a good thing. Like, we're saying, like, you're bad. It just means you're hot, yeah. Like, nobody else, like, I asked, like, nobody, everybody else was cool. Malato was like, so everybody was like,

this particular motherfucker was like just fucking. They had hit up whack. They had hit up fucking like their, they had figured up their major, they hit up their major label. Like, I'm getting like, rings and all types of shit. I'm like, bro, I'm just going to take it down. I took it down, took her out the video and put it back up and hit three million views again. But it was like, damn. Damn.

The shit would probably have like 10 mil by now. Yeah, right. Minton was crazy. You can't, like, you can't sit and makeup for two hours every day. Get your hair done every week. Get fake tits and a BBL. wear tight-ass shiny pants and then be mad

that guys think that you're hot and want to fuck you now they should still be cool about it but you can't be mad at them that that's high shit especially in a smasher pass we must respect the smasher pass tradition

you're supposed to respect that tradition you shouldn't be like yo we've been doing this for a long time online my girl like one of her first viral videos was a smasher pass for real was her saying what dude she thought was hot with her friend like it's a classic

Like, okay. Might have hurt my feelings a little bit back then, but, you know. Wait, like, when she was your girl back then, like, if she was already a girl or you was looking at her, like, type of shit? I think, I don't know if we're, like, really dating one. We're, like, kind of starting to hang out. Who, Lena? Yeah. At that time.

How you say her name? Lena. Lena. She made a smash her pass. Oh. That's your girl? That's your wife? Isn't that your wife?

Later on, she got smashed, so. By, like, you, right? Or like. Just like a big dude. Someone ain't in an air He didn't pass, he smashed So We predicted the future

Oh You just met her too, right? Well, you seen her in here? Yeah, yeah She was just like She ain't speak to me She just telling him Yeah

She finds the whole rap thing confusing I gotta introduce her to everybody She won't say hi to anybody here Uh huh So who do you Wait wait wait wait wait you girl what I gotta like introduce of people.

She doesn't like, she doesn't like walk in and say hi to everybody sitting around because she doesn't know who everybody is until she like sees them a couple times usually. Okay, you didn't say the word head.

Head? Okay, no. You didn't not say the word head, right? I just want to clarify. Head? I did not hear head. I thought, like, I thought you,

I swear I thought, she wants to get fed to everybody in here. I'm like, whoa. She won't say hi. Oh, she won't say hi to everybody. I'm like, you're a fucking, what we're doing?

If I catch a given a remote top, it's going to be a problem. I wouldn't do it, man. Listen here, lady. That's not very wifely of you. Why just him? Like, why he can't? Just an example. But, like, so you would feel the same way about, like, anyone else?

Yeah. Okay. Pretty much. Yeah, okay. Except Josh, because he's my brother-in-law. So that would seem more fucked up. Wait. Oh, like, he would be more fucked up.

Yeah, I was going to say, except Josh, he did. I was going to say, damn, like, fuck. like cheating and incest that's funny I gotta take a piss I'll be right back alright let's put it on a poll

very quickly I bet nah we keep I was gonna say what's up alright so like who'd be helping you like come up with the concepts

and shit like behind uh can I do this? Yeah okay in your world like you design like you

edit your videos and shit because you're a creative as niggas I'm just assuming that you do you got your hands on the creative pot on everything you do

yeah I was editing my YouTube videos on my phone. Not YouTube, music videos. Oh, my music videos? Bro, I'm like, Matt and excuse me, you know what I'm saying? Like, I know, I'm an artist and shit,

you know what I mean? Like, all my music videos, bro, like, my marriage would be even saying, like, yo, like, everybody says I'm like, I might as well just take the job. Like, you feel me? Like, I'll be mad, involved in everything, you know?

Like, I don't, I'm not the type of artist that's just going to, like, pay you a bag to do something and just kind of let you do it and just give it to me. Like, you know, I know that everybody's, like, good at what they do and stuff like that, but, like, I'd be knowing, like, exactly how I want stuff. And I'd be having a vision. And when I have a vision, it needs to come to life, like, exactly the way I needed to, you know?

And, like, with certain music videos, like, plastic where I was like, okay, like, I'm going to let shit just, you know what I'm saying. I'm going to let people do what they do. They're the professionals. Certain shit didn't turn how I wanted to, and then it gets 12 million views, and it's like, fuck. And people are mentioning certain shit that I would have changed. So it's kind of like, damn, like, damn, I wouldn't have picked that bitch to be in the music video,

like that they're saying looks like a fucking 50-year-old white woman. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I'm guessing on the video you just dropped recently, like a month ago, the scene video, who was more creative, like more hands-on. Yeah, hell yeah. Like, the video afar. Yeah.

the way. So what's the how you come up with the concept behind that one? Like y'all on the tennis court? Yeah, scene. I'd just be sleeping on it. I'd be, I'd be like playing shit over, like, and over and sleeping on it for like days. And it's like until, I don't know, like, I look up to like Tyler the creator, Childish Gambino and stuff like that when it comes to visuals. I feel like Tyler has always taken his visuals super serious, like, you know? So like, no matter how silly or goofy it was, you could. like deny the quality of the video you know what I'm saying like the quality of the visuals and good visuals be making the song 10 times better when someone doesn't really fuck with the song

like that so I take visual series that's why like ta-da fire video fire the creator had a thing that went viral the other day because I think on his narwhar interview he said you know rappers want people to take their music serious but then they come out and they do sneaker shopping shows and they do, you know, sort of frivolous content, which I thought was an interesting point because it's like, if the reason why rappers do that is because if they do a bunch of interviews just talking about their music,

that's not going to be viral or whatever. But then meanwhile, if you're like Childish Gambino and you do sneaker shopping, you're going to get like 4 million views, and it'll at least remind people you have an album coming out. So how do you feel about that? Because that's kind of the whole question is like, should you do things outside of music to promote your music? Yeah, like, that's like, like saying I should have never like,

like did YouTube to promote my music. Nika, I was doing YouTube to promote my music and like, realizing like, bro, my numbers is better than niggas who just rap. You see what I'm saying? It's like, I'm looking at niggas who just rap and it's like, do you have

over five to ten music videos with millions of views? No. Do you, you know what I'm saying? Do you have songs with millions of streams? Well, some of them do. like it's some niggas that just rap that or you know what I'm saying it's like I don't know I feel like it's the same thing I feel like you got to do sometimes you got to do things that intrigue an audience and just remind them of the music once you have their attention you know

you work smarter like yeah I think Tyler Tyler was doing Tyler was doing silly shit with his friends like yeah on Lord of Squad I don't know why he's like all of a sudden like I think Tyler I fuss with you heavy though he's kind of out of touch on this though because it's like He has the privilege of being such a fucking celebrity and such a fan base that he can just put music out. He doesn't have to do interviews. He doesn't have to do anything. Him doing Nardwar is a favor to Nardwar. That's like, oh, I respect you, so I'm going to do this content with you.

And it's not even like at the time he's putting an album out or whatever. And like, he doesn't seem to really be in touch with the struggle of the average rapper who's just desperate for anybody to pay attention to them. For some attention. And it's like, by the way, I just saved that to my watch later, the Nardwire interview. you did another one. I was like, gotta watch this. Like,

if Tyler does another interview interview is like, let's go with it. Like, I should watch the whole thing. I'm just going off quick. But yeah, bro,

like, nigga has like some crazy ass undeniable, like you could just drop today and you're gonna do at least 100,000 first week type fan base.

Everybody don't got that. You know what I'm saying? To be saying like, bro, y'all promo runs are stupid. Like, niggas, damn. Yeah,

that's crazy because like, the first thing I think I've seen with Tyler Crater was him eating a roach. I was like, nigga, you was doing that. He was like a wild-ass crazy

skateboarder kid doing all this crazy shit and now he's a fucking rich dude who is still in touch with like the youth lifestyle and shit. No Tyler Slender. He's also kind of disconnected from him. No Tyler Slander. No Tyler Slender. No, not at all. But I mean, he definitely doesn't need to go do

sneaker shopping. Yeah, but I can't agree with every single opinion just because no Tyler Slender. He put the chicken wings on there too, hot ones. Yeah. I think did he like... Straight for complex. Yeah, yeah.

That was crazy. He could have just said promo runs. He said, he mentioned it like three times. We might not be talking about it if he hadn't specified the Hot Wing show and the sneaker shopping show, you know? I don't know. If he had just been real general,

then we probably wouldn't be talking about it, you know? I don't know. Did you go to Complex Conner's here? Yeah, I went. Oh, I've seen you there. I'm sure we've seen you. Yeah, like, damn. What did you there when Aaron Conner got to fight?

Ian Conner got to fight? Yeah, Complex Conner. Literally, like right after I seen you. Nah. Right after you seen me? Yeah, like, you showed out late when I seen you, that's when you were just getting there. Like, it literally just happened right after that.

I didn't see that. Yeah, you didn't see that. Rima was hype that he got to see a viral fight in real life. Who you fought? Oh, fucking. One of the activists, yeah. One of the activists? Shout out.

It was just a lot of commotion in that motherfucker. I was like, damn, it was just, oh, now, right? Why they fight? Old shit. Yeah. I wish I knew. I wish I could remember. Oh, they was beefing?

of why they wouldn't get along, but it's been a long time. Oh, I ain't know that. They didn't get along. I didn't either. But also, I'm not surprised because they were around during that era at the same time of shit.

Shout out. Shout out. Shut out. I wonder if Una talked shit about you and on the podcast. Great music. Great music. I can't remember.

Who do you listen to right now? Who do you fuck with music? Tizo. Hmm. Like, Tizo's going crazy right now. Going stupid. Very, like, nigs like Tizo, like,

Tizzo, Kanye. they remind me and myself because they have such an artistic like a wild artistic expression and like they show it through their fashion and like on their body and in their videos and like for you see someone like Atizo

and you like wow like he's just on a run he's just killing shit right now and it's like most people wouldn't see the last 10 years of his work You know what I'm saying? Or Just like him

Having a passion for this And like having to rebrand himself Multiple times Or like you know what I'm saying Just like All that Like in him being Over 30 years old

Like you know Like motherfuckers Because it became such a popular thing That like You like 28 and you ain't made it Like what's you doing bro Like go Go start a family or something

You feel me? But it's like Like, bro, like, 25, 30, you know what I'm saying? Like, them prime years for niggas, like, you go crazy. You could really go crazy. Motherfugers don't be understanding that, though. Yeah, if you want to be successful, you definitely can't just give up at 30. Yeah.

I didn't get pop them until, like, 32, 33. You know what I'm saying? I wasn't even, like, doing this shit until then. I was doing the bike riding shit. And then finally something outside of that started to work after all those years, you know? Y'all heard that. Adam ain't get popping until 33,000. But a lot of people, too, fucking, like.

Like, Nicki Minaj, future. Like, these are people who didn't really get to be popular. Two chains. So they were, like, damn near 30. Even Jay-Z dropped his, like, first album, like, 29 or something. You feel me? So it's like, I have that mindset now. I used to be one of them motherfuckers, like,

in the 2016, 20, like, wave, where all these motherfuckers started just becoming younger and younger and younger, it did feel like, okay, if I don't make it by, like, 20, I'm done. But, like, before I know it, bro, I'm 23. You know what I'm saying? And it's like, I'm just now, like, with the shit I just drop I'm just like getting like major like artists reaching out to me like like on some like really respectable shit like like like mainstream niggas like the NLE choppers

and the like you know what I'm saying like I don't like the name job but like a lot of niggas is like yo music is yo I seen you with sexy red right what y'all was doing uh we just we were just chilling. We were just chilling. Making videos doing just chilling. What you know I'm from? I met her on the strip in Miami. I met her on the strip in Miami. She was shooting Poundownown.

The video that she shot during the fucking party weekend or whatever it was? Yeah, yeah. There's like two versions of the video. Yeah. And there's one with Suki Hana where they're just shaking ass all over the city. Yeah, it was the Miami one, the spring break one. Yeah, like, she was just going down the street and like kind of promoting her

shit. It was like that was playing pound town out loud and I was like about to leave I had like took a million fucking fan pictures I was kind of like bro it was my target audience was out there like you know what I'm saying the young wild kids I was like but I'm out this bitch

I was leaving and I guess like someone from her team was like yo like a artist named Sexy Red she's over there like we fuck with you da da da you're in ghetto can you just hop in her video real quick now like at the time I ain't even really like it ain't really

Her name didn't really ring a bell, but I was just like, oh, okay, bet. Like, fuck it. I went over there, and I, like, picked her up and just, like, she was, like, twerking on me and shit. And then, like, she posted it and was, like, on ghetto got strong knees or whatever. And then, like, yeah, and then I just DM'd her and shit. And then we had made a YouTube video. Shit just went crazy. And, like, yeah.

You got to love her because she has fucking exploded, and she still seems like she show love to a lot underground people. a lot of people who aren't as big as her. I'm a surprised. Okay, what's crazy is that she brought out Katie Got Bands on that one performance. And that was just like, oh, damn, that's sick as fuck that you're like paying homage to somebody who realistically, homage. Homage? Homage, you could say too, yeah. Okay.

I drop the age. But to somebody who realistically blew had her moment in, like, 2011 or something shit. And she just has love for her and just, like, embracing it. That's super hard. Yeah, Stacey Red is hard, man. Stacey Red is hard. She's real. She's real.

She's for the culture right there. You know saying? She's too big for niggins now, but nah, she's real, you know what I'm saying? She's huge, you feel me? And, like, even seeing her, like, when she, like, popped, she just did a song with Lancy.

It was like, oh, shit, like, damn, like, she'd be tapped in what's going on, like, with the underground and shit, that's shit hard. Where do you see yourself five years from now? Like, where do you want to be in your career? Putting lip gloss on. Vaseline, I stayed with the last name, man. Tenths, top ten essentials.

But five years from now, I see myself, five years from now, I see myself a hard ticket artist, you know? Like a hard ticket artist mainstream. That's where I see myself. You want to do arenas and shit like that? I have that kind of fan base where you can sell out serious venues consistently.

That would make you feel like you had reached a certain level. Yeah, I don't really give a fuck to say like, not I don't really give a fuck, but like, it's not really like a thing for me to say like, yeah, I'll be selling out arenas. Like, but like, that's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot, you know. And, but like, selling hard tickets is not like an easy, you know,

like overnight thing unless like you have like some kind of blow up like sexy red. There's a lot of ways you can measure success, but if you can like do a tour of the U.S. and play a lot of the major cities and even just do like 500 person venues on average. That's all I was going to say. That's a serious fan base.

That probably means your streaming is making serious money. That's a real fan base, bro. And that's where I see myself, like, with a core fan base that's just, like, going crazy. Like, I wouldn't even say 400, 500, 500. I'd say, like, a couple thousands, like, you know what I'm saying? Levels. Yeah, I say selling out.

Definitely selling out, like, definitely selling out. I see it. Venues. I see it for sure. Like a lot of people, whether they see it or not, like, I've seen everything that I've accomplished

from me being fucking 14. So like, I don't, you know, I don't really like, you know, a lot of people talk a lot and say like what they're going to do

and like what they're going to be like, yeah, I'm going to have like 10 plaques and shit like that. And I, but like they just like do all the wrong things to not. Like,

you know? And like, I know how to pick myself back up when I like feel like I missed the window or I like like like fucked up or like lost my engagement or like lost touch with like my fan base as far as the music like bro like niggas thought I was over with bro. Niggas thought I was over with niggas was like bro like musically at least you're done like you feel me after like 2021, 22 niggas was like yeah it's over with for you bro like plastic

is the last time like these like that moment was the last time. you gonna see this shit you're not testing strangers diamonds no more you're not doing this no more it's over for you then i dropped ta-da fucking three months ago and shit got 1.3 million views like and fucking 2 million streams like i know i still got this shit bro and it's like you know then i drop scene and it's streaming like a motherfucker and like all these mainstream niggas is like let's do music it's like bro like i'm talented as fuck and that's the difference between niggas that other people that they see that do youtube and music my music bro, if it's a shot at other people, fuck it.

But, like, my music is actually good. Like, it's actually good. It's not, like, good for a YouTuber. Like, it's good. You got some good shit out there. Like, I was definitely, like, today, before we did an interview, I was just tapping in. And I'm like, yeah, bro, as, I see it.

You're going to, like, when you say our tickets, I see you selling that shit. And the fact that you've been able to, like, have moments and then in your own words fall off and then get it back and get some momentum going again. That to me is, like, very, very, impressive and kind of like bodes well for your career because the truth is is that most people who have a viral moment that's it that's it's it 98% it's it's it's over and they're gonna talk about that

moment like four years from now like yeah man like i don't you all remember i did this like i did this in 2018 i was this or like like bro do it again or like do something new you know what I'm saying or else you're going to be that annoying ass niggas talking about the one accomplished he's made with one fucking viral little moment that he had three years ago. But like, I've never wanted to be that guy. Like, I have so much accomplishments that is like, if when I look at my shit or I look at like the fucking numbers I put up as far as anything, I'd be like, like, I don't talk about like, yeah, like, I did videos with this person or I did like, I have over 200 million

YouTube views, you know what I'm saying, would not even. even 200 videos. Like, but I don't talk about like shit like that because honestly YouTube, I don't give a fuck about YouTube. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'm artists at heart, like always. And it's like, I feel like now, within the last three months since I dropped Tata, is like a new beginning for me.

Like I don't even count everything else. I feel like with the new name and just like my music actually being good. because if you ask me, all the lit shit that I dropped before was trash. That's just how I feel about my music. Like, personally, I feel like the shit was ass. But, like, people, it was, it was asked to me, but it was, like, better than other niggas.

So people would be like, oh, like, damn, like, ungetto's good for you. But you kind of slowed down on posting the YouTube or shit, right? As the years have gone by. Yeah. It's more of a sporadic thing now. Yeah, it just be like when it's something I, like, that's just like a bag.

Or like, I just really want to do it. Like, I usually, I mostly, like, will sit down with a celebrity or something shit now. Like, but I, like, as far as being in the malls running around, like, especially in Atlanta, like, bro, I'm too late to be doing shit like that. You know what I'm saying? Motherfuckers know me. But if you had, like, a sexy red moment right now and just had, like, the biggest fucking song in the world, do you think you would totally stop doing YouTube shit? Or would you just do it different and maybe be more selective? It's a weird decision.

like with me like bro i already like my fan base is not that i don't have the fan base that like expects youtube videos from me all the time because they do want to see you win yeah they want to see me win but it's like i've always been dropping like one video a month on some shit so it's like it wouldn't really make a difference if i'm like dropping it i wouldn't you know what saying one video a month it'll be like now i'm just lit on you like lit in the music industry be doing that. Like, if I had a, honestly, if I had like a sexy red

major crazy hit, like YouTube probably over with. I ain't gonna while. Like, only time I do some YouTube shit is like, I'm chilling with a fucking artist or something and like we just do some little cool entertaining shit. Right.

But that's already what I've been doing. Like with sexy red and shit like that. Like with Blueface and Bobby Shmurda and like with everybody. Like that's just, I'd be to hang with an artist and I do some shit like and it'll just go viral. Are you sober?

Yeah. Totally sober. Yeah. Like, what's totally sober? Well, I don't know. You don't smoke or drink? I'll be drinking sometimes. Oh, no.

You just seem like you probably don't really get fucked up. Nah, I don't be smoking, though. But I definitely, definitely was hired for two days straight, often edible. Like, by accident? Or? I mean, I wouldn't do that on purpose. Like, what you mean? Like, eating the edible?

Like, did you eat it by accident? Oh, no. Nah, I ate it on purpose. I just underestimated it. It was one gummy. We've all been there. Wow, one gummy did it? One gummy.

But the nigga did tell me, like, he did tell me, and the nigga was huge. He was like, this gummy had me stuck here at work. Because it was a dude who owned a restaurant. He was like, had me stuck at the restaurant all night. Yeah, if you have no tolerance of 50 or 100 milligram candy is going to fuck you up, yeah. What? The one gummy? And even a lot of people who smoke weed,

the edible just hits different and it might like you have like blunt tolerance but you don't have like edible tolerance I think I was so fucking scared dog I had that I slept like 24 hours

I was so scared it was a long time ago but it fucking ruined me I told my little brother called the police police what are they gonna do arrest me I was like

I said car police I was like I mean the ambulance I told them call the ambulance I was moving in slow motion that's why

and that really turned you off the weed after that the edibles that that experience yeah but it's like now that it's her it was kind of fun

right well sleeping for 24 hours is nice no I kind of feel like ass after like not working Yeah, yeah.

After not grounding, like, I feel trash. I'm actually, like, the best thing about drugs in general is just getting a good night's sleep. Right? Only a few of them are really going to do that for you, but, like, the pain pills and the Zanz

just really get 10 hours sleep and wake up feeling pretty good. Speaking of drugs, you look like way more normal now than you do on the day of your birthday party. Like, oh, really? Yeah, you was like, zooted or something. I was high as far. I was just smoking weed.

I wasn't even drunk. Yeah, like, you was zooted. Honestly, I was just like, like just talking to that many people like for hours and hours and hours by the end of it I was just like I didn't even drink but I was smoking hell of sigs I was just bumming sigs left and right

you looked it like a rapper like no shirt thing right yeah no shirt with the fucking with the denim fit I was like yo I think I should add some chains this nigga looks like a rapper if I borrowed some of the homies chains I feel like I would have been able to really pull off like another level of that look

Yo, swear. But I'd be scared to... I don't want to put those chains on top of my chest hair. I feel like I'm asking for it. He was supposed to be in this seat, bro. Like, he would be in this seat, like... I could rap. I could rap.

You might motivate me to rap. Right. You never know. 22 album in 2024. I mean, it would be one of the greatest narratives in hip-hop history. That would be... You're a podcaster for eight years. You're a white guy who realistically is not that swaggy.

Wait, you never made a song before? No. Like, no rapper was like, hop on a song? No. No. Why? I just, I would have said no. I mean, I guess, yeah, some rappers have tried to suggest that, but not a lot because they kind of can tell that I'm just not going to do it.

What about the Birdman approach just talking over this song if you did any of that? Well, see, that's what would have been crazy is that X back in the day asked me to do an intro for one of his songs, and then, and I did it, I recorded it, I sent it to him, and then he put out a track list for a project that never came out, and it says on the tracklist, featuring Adam 22 on one of the songs, and then it just never came out and it would have been like the craziest shit ever if that came out but that's kind of like how academics was on whole lot of red but i don't feel big people talk about the fact that he was on whole lot of red even though that that's a really big deal but did you even know that

wait who was on a whole lot of red academics you know yeah yeah on the i just like feel like christmas that's the christmas yeah right i just feel like i never hear people mention it whereas i feel like right right there was a juice world album that i think he was part of my voice too but I never really heard anybody talk about it. True? Maybe people just don't realize it to me. I don't know. Whatever.

I don't want to be a focal point anyway. This big plan right there, bro. Like, them got me crying. You want to try the whoops? Like, they're in there? Spoiler, just go get some fruit loops. Oh. Wasn't he, like, annoyed for these, about these?

Yeah, we keep moving them back and forth. Her geos or whoops. We can't make up our mind. I'm crying. Actually, the reason why they are like this right now is because BJ moved the Durkios to the top. But he's making KripMac cereal now, too. So these are like Chicago niggas that come in here and they're like, no, this Chicago guy over. Yeah.

Somebody from Oblock came in and took the 6030 in cereal and switched it with the Oblochian cereal. And then, boom, here we are. Not that. Did Dark ever live in Oblock? He's an affiliate. Damn near. Do you have any ops? Anyone we should know about?

No. You just made me think, like, oh, we didn't ask him if there's anybody he hates. I could have done some research. Well, I got to have ops because I'm black. No, because you're a rapper. Oh. And not that you have to. It's just a lot of rappers do.

Okay. But, I mean, definitely better to just get along with everybody. Would you ask, like, Maddie B or, like, if he had ops? Do you think him as a rapper? When's the last time he put music out? Maddie B was relevant for a while I have thought about him in so long Do you ever get uncomfortable

Like do niggas Trump this nigga Like because that's why I'm trying to do it And he's like kind of just chilling like What are they're gonna do? 15 million subscribers Oh Lord, his numbers are not Well Maddie B

He put out a video Oh I'm saying Maddie B You still going crazy If you can get a feature Anybody who would it be Maddie B That right now in the game

His numbers were good but then his future will come right now his most recent videos has terrible views I don't understand this I can't say man it's like it's like multiple like guys that I do a song with right now if you had like right now tomorrow that said the feature's

coming in who you want a song with Drake mm hmm that's a stimulus you're saying right now tomorrow the features coming in besides drink like everyone's going to go with the drink besides drink right now

coming in the features coming in tomorrow the features coming in tomorrow the features coming in tomorrow I don't know because it's like there's business answers and then there's like creative like yeah I gotta work with this my fucking answer

like who oh okay Tizo or Uzi yeah you met Uzi before I've never met yeah I have I have I have I have it was like

rolling loud he got off stage I'm like go what do you think the biggest possible features. Oh, and I like was like, how much it fits, type shit, I wonder.

Like, but like, I never like, man. Okay, besides Drake, who's the biggest feature you can get? Cardi, Uzi, Travis Scott? Oh. Who else? Cardi. Cardi over Travis right now, you think? A feature?

Yeah. Bro, Travis got the Cardi stimulus with Fien. That's a fact. That's like the biggest song on that tape, maybe? Yeah. Damn. Like, I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. A feature? What feature is like, what feature is like a motherfucker is fan base going to dick ride more? Yeah. Think with your wallet, not your artistic side. Yeah. You got to just do the one that's going to make the most eyeballs get on you, you know? The most eyeballs.

Damn, I don't know, though. More eyeballs going to. What's going on? We'll cut this out. Oh, okay. I was going to say, is that the 50 on your head? Did? Yo.

That was funny. Appreciate you, Don. All right. Wait. You think that the Cardi is going to, the chat? What feature is more,

is more, like, is going to get more eyeballs on you? Cardi will probably turn you up more at this point. Adam 22 thinks Cardi, Playboy Cardi feature is going to get more eyeballs than a Travis Scott feature. I think. I want you to.

Cardi seems like it has like a high percentage of hidden at this point than Travis of hitting like it'll hit more like the song just hidden yeah yeah yeah and Cardi's very rare so when he puts out of song he does anything everybody stops and pays attention yeah yeah he's and in comparison like Uzi's put out a couple albums over the last couple years Travis Scott just put out of the album Cardi feels like every time he drops something it goes crazy mm-hmm for better or for worse no better way huh Cardi for show

damn yeah I feel it no Cardi definitely going crazy like I was at SoFa Stadium when he came out for Travis Scott Damn he was there

crazy bro damn you can get one feature Who Joe Rogan like like you get one guest

For me a feature is a podcast guest Yeah if you That's the guest Like if you can get one guest Like he's coming he's coming tomorrow. Okay, in terms of like thinking with my wallet,

in terms of who would make the most money and like get me the most new eyeballs slash subscribers. He's coming tomorrow. First person that comes to mind is Joe Rogan. She's the biggest podcaster. Joe Rogan? If I got a three-hour Joe Rogan interview,

that's going to be fucking massive for the channel. Okay, now, on the other hand, you got Drake? Is something? A Drake interview would be insane. Wait, who's Joe Rogan? I don't want to, I don't want him to cancel me or something. He's like,

He used to host Fear Factor back in the day. I don't know if you're too young to remember Fear Factor. And then he's the UFC commentator. Show me him. He's a professional comedian. He's that guy, the ball, d'nigger? He's got the biggest podcast on the world, yeah. Sorry.

I honestly don't know. Oh, no, no, no. I changed my mind. Taylor Swift. Oh, yeah. Nothing's going to be bigger than that. Oh, shit. Even the Drake interview, Taylor Swift interview would be way later.

Her own fan base would probably turn on her if she did an interview with me, to be honest. Probably one of the worst decisions she's ever made. You feature. Interview wise, it's probably Lou Wayne. I'm not going to lie. Lou Wayne and a little dirt. It just, I don't know. Now, if I speak with my heart,

well, I mean, to be honest, but if I speak with my heart, Taylor Swift, Drake, Joe Rogan, they all seem very exciting in terms of just like the craft of the interview. But, I mean, Jay-Z, do you imagine like a two-hour Jay-Z interview? 50 cent? Like, I fucking, well, I mean, he's kind of like more blown out. He did interviews all the time.

I would choose 50, Jay-Z or Wayne? for the interview. Jay, for sure. Jay Z? I mean, he's the most rare, and he's kind of like the one that has had the most impact on me as a music fan, although also 50 for sure.

And Wayne, but J50 Wayne in that order in terms of importance of my own life. Type shit. Might have to throw on some Jay Z on the way home. Might do a JZ drive. Maybe an ungetto and then a JZ drive. Mix it up a little bit in the middle.

What song should Adam play on a ride home? from you. Oh, word? Yeah. Scene and ta-da. Okay. Spoiler. I'm going to iTunes

and I'm going to listen to your most popular song. No, no. Maybe the second, maybe the third. Okay. No, I got to dig deeper. I can remember ta-da.

You know, I mean, I've seen it, but... You know how I said, like, the music I'm dropping right now is like the best music I've ever dropped and it's like a new start? Like, it's making the niggas

really be like, oh, you could really be an artist. I want to support you in that. The, the EPI, just drop is like 10 minutes long In 10 minutes you could Like see for yourself Like can he be an artist or not

That's what I love about the new EP It's like it's so like quick to consume That you could like Quickly find out if you think that I'm a B You know what's the name of the EP And get a world Who do people tell you you look like Because I can't figure it out in my head

But I feel like there's something We'll say a lot of stuff I used to get called young bands a lot Shout out young bands In LA Like I think we're gonna link tonight Oh really? Yeah yeah Like we that's my boy

I did interview Probably four years ago I fussed me young bands He just started back dropping music Really? I'm gonna check out of yeah He's back He's back man doing his thing Um

Yeah Ungetter world Um get a world Um Ungetto world. You got to say it once on, Adam. Ungetto World. How are you saying like that?

Ghetto is kind of a slur these days. Ungetto world. I went to, years ago, I went to, I was with DJ Scheme. I think there was like a Juice World and Ski Mask show. And then we left because DJ Scheme had a hosting at a club. And he had never done this before of like doing the club DJ thing, you know, because he's like a rap producer, rap DJ. Right.

He shows up, classic movie. He shows up with like, me and like 25 other people, the shitload of people. And this club is not fucking around. They're just like, no, you're coming in with two people. None of these people can get in straight up. Like, shut it down.

Obviously, everybody's pissed. It's late. People are drunk. People are having a good time. And the fucking manager is just like, I, this is ghetto. Or like, I've had it up to here with this ghetto bullshit. Everybody kind of, it was like almost the impact that the N-word would have had on the group of people. It was like, it hit

hard. And I'm a person who grew up, ghetto is a normal word. Right. Bad part of times with ghetto. You just, whatever. But the way this dude said it, oh my God, a bunch of people were like kind of screaming at him almost about to beat his ass. It was awkward. Ghetto. I didn't really realize the power that word had until that

moment. Yeah, calling like minorities or people of culture, ghetto is like when you're not a person of culture, was he a person of culture or minority? He's like fucking Hispanic or Cuban or I don't know what the Fuck it. DJ scheme is.

I'm sorry for not knowing your ethnicity. I'm talking about like the person who said ghetto. Oh, I think he was white or at least mostly white looking. No, he can't yet. Yeah, he'd different. It hits different. It hits different. It hit different.

It hit, like the whoops. That hits different. Yeah. But what do you? What do you like better? Tadai or a scene? Seen. Just because I just, I'll listen to it like three times a day and the video like

was going crazy. But I might have to listen to. Tadai again. Tadai video crazy though. I just recently just watched scene today. I seen Tadda like a minute ago. It's like just a different now. What are your interests outside of music and becoming

successful? Music and becoming successful. You don't watch like cooking videos on YouTube or anything? Oh, I watch interviews a lot. Like I make a priority. Like if I see someone like an interview like whether it's a person

that's doing bad or doing good. I'm I make it a priority to watch their interview. That is smart. Yeah, because I want to know, like, what is this, what's this person's mindset and why do they feel like, you know, like, what do they think about where they are in their career? Whether if you're successful or you're not successful and you fucked up, like, or you're not making the right decisions in your career. Like, what do you, like, why? What are you doing? People take it for granted that you can go watch almost every successful person in business, music, entertainment, has done.

done at least a couple of podcasts and you could go listen to them talk about business and art and whatever the fuck you know how to make it in life all kinds of different shit for like hours and hours most successful people yeah we did not have that when i was a kid this is a new thing over the last however many years and people who don't take that's one of my best feelings i can get when i'm listening to a podcast i remember one time i listened to an academics and vlad podcast while i was driving to Vegas like three hours and i by the end of the podcast it was so good that i was just like it is insane that we live in a world where you can hear people who are very successful

basically giving up the game of how they got where they're at and that people don't really take advantage of that the way that they should that's what I like when you're talking about the Gary V thing I'm like that's good that you were a young ass kid who heard that and needed that and used it to fuel yourself

yeah bro this shit crazy bro like damn bro like that shit crazy like my bad y'all this shit I'm tripping this shit crazy like they do hit different when folks crying bro like

I don't know that shit just hit me bro like when you're saying that yeah like about like you could watch successful people and just like bro like but we just talk to your ass for two hours so you're probably going to motivate a bunch of little kids out there too so what would you tell the kids that was watching right now

like whatever you see somebody do like like bro nobody like everybody that everybody on earth right nobody has 40 hours in a day you know what I'm saying like everybody has 24 hours you said I'm saying like so it's like whatever you're seeing someone do at some point in time they wasn't doing whatever that you're seeing them do that's inspiring you at some point in time they wasn't doing it or they didn't know how to it. So who's to say that you're not capable of being able to get to that place? You know what I'm saying? Like you like and that's how I always looked at everything. Like that's what I said when I said like I wanted to be Lil Wayne. It's like because I know that or like I wanted to be this person like or child

is going to be. It's like I knew at a young like I always knew that like we're both here on this the same earth at the same time and like. it's possible to do. I don't know. Like, I never really looked at, like, no matter what level someone is, and been like, man, like, damn, they're just like,

I don't know. You know, I just looked at them as, like, everyone is, like, a sort of motivation. And, like, I just teared up because I just, like, had a little flashback of me, like, watching the ex interview over and over. And, like,

bro it's like I watched a lot of your interviews like you know what I'm saying like I'm not even going to sit here and try to act all cool rappery and shit like that like I'm just too cool for shit like to say that I watched a lot of yo shit dog and like

now that shit means a lot whenever people say that because sometimes I have conversations with people and I realize during their formative years when they were fucking 15 16 17 whatever it was that people like a lot of like young dudes I talk to I realize that they kind of like figured out what they wanted to do with their life through watching me and other people in this realm just talk to motherfuckers and especially young artists you know

where like that that is a huge fucking honor to sort of have that role in any number of people's lives you know yeah and like bro you got a legacy out here bro like for real like you I don't want to get I don't want to get too too too too too it's just like bro you you you you Do people give you your flowers, bro? Like you... I'm a little bit here and there. Yeah, you deserve your flowers, bro. You did a lot.

But part of the reason why I wanted to do this shit in the first place was because I realized that it felt like this was something that I could do over and over and over and over and I would never get sick of it. And I still feel that exact way. Like, I still feel very moved by this conversation. And I feel that frequently, you know, which is... It never really gets old.

Like, I went to fucking skate parks and filmed videos. every day for years and years and years and that that was getting old but this shit never really gets old to me right yeah yeah yeah that's how yeah yeah like shit yeah porn too never gets old every pussy's fun word that never gets old i would think that got old like sometimes like i only do it like once or twice a week so it's oh yeah like wait how often do you how often you fuck like if you got a fuck on video like how often do you like smash off camp like You know what I'm saying? Like, is you always fucking, though?

I mean, I'm kind of on my girl's schedule. I mean, I would probably fuck like once or twice a day. If she's in the mood, we do that. And if she's not, then. But we're also, like, working so much. And sometimes work is fucking, so it's kind of sometimes we just cried on the, bro. Who cries on this shit? That was lit, though.

Damn. You cried about some real shit about, like, just. I did just cry about, you kind of had, like, a moment where you realized, like, you had made it to a certain point. Bro, the shit. And also how possible the next levels are. The shit hit me, bro. Because at one point, I'm nobody, bro, watching no jumper interview.

You know what I'm saying? It's like, just like, I could have stayed the nigger watching interviews and not doing shit with my life. But, like, I, like, made a conscious decision to take action knowing that I could be in certain rooms and certain positions. And it's like, like, even when, like, falling golf and stuff and, like, like, me, like, get. getting another and I did it by myself by the way I want to say that with like scene and ta-da like when I'm talking about these millions of streams that I got like ungetta world I just dropped you got a million streams you know what I'm saying like and these are real streams not the fucking I know niggas want to buy streams and shit like and I know that's cool these days but I like

to see the real streams so like if a million or two million or something don't sound like a lot to y'all niggas bro it's like it's real to me though so it's like these are real people who want to listen to my shit and it's like I know I could turn this into 20 million motherfuckers you feel what I'm saying so at the end of the day it's like me being able to get another million views like to watch another million people want to watch my music video like it's like damn I could have just settled for like damn my time came and it's up but like I know how to like I'm I take that bro you just got to take action I don't know you just got to take action though And how I said, like, I watched certain pieces of content, and it's kind of like a shame that people don't necessarily appreciate how much game there is out there.

It's motivational because you're somebody who seems like you watched all the same shit that all these other fucking people watched, but you actually, like, learned from it. Applied it. And applied the fucking shit that you were learning. And I don't know. It's good. Thanks. Yeah. You're definitely going far.

Thanks. Thank you. And once you reach that fucking next echelon, the YouTube documentaries are going to fucking have that clip of the crying and it's going to be like boom this is when he knew that he was built to be this you know they're like when you realize you made it or something like this guy's going someone's going to click that and put on ticot that's funny as hell though damn i was rhodo yeah that was real bro so what's a game plan right now in terms of like what you want your next career milestones to be like what do you what do you feel like you need to do to take this shit to the next level um I want to work with

Zatowen and I'm going to do it Yeah, I can introduce it if you want He's not, don't even do it He seems very open to working with younger artists I've heard like a handful of like smaller artists Tell me that they've tapped in with him Just because somebody that he trusted, you know, tapped in with him

I'm gonna do that And I'm gonna work with I'm gonna be Consistent and Collaborative you know and I'm gonna drop great visuals great songs and the hardest stuff I can and I'm gonna build a cult fan base and I'm gonna sell hard tickets and I'm not gonna be some washed up club hosting type rapper I'm gonna be a artist with a real fan base you know that loves me and I love them back that's what that's what's what

I'm gonna be. I feel it though, you know what I'm saying? Like, you definitely got the work ethic and the grind and like, I don't know, the creativity is there. So like, it's all there. 100%. Yeah, for sure. I see big things.

What is that? Matt. That's going to tell you where you're going. Yeah, I'm going far. Stupid. That was hard. All right. Ungido.

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