No Jumper - UNLOCKED Exposes The Instagram Ban/Unban Game & Making Millions off D*** Dealers

Episode Date: January 20, 2024

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No jumper. Coolest podcast in the world. And today, I'm bringing you something that I'm pretty sure has never been done in the history of podcasting, which is I'm bringing you a conversation with someone who specializes in a side of the internet that is not widely publicized. Yet most people know about its existence. Today we're having a conversation with someone who, amongst other exploits on the internet, is a professional when it comes. to the banning and unbaining of Instagram accounts. Does that sound accurate?

I'd say so. Just about right. I guess maybe let's just kind of zero in on that. How did you enter into the world of having this kind of power over social media? Think to yourself like anybody else that got their Instagram page banned, excuse me. Like think about how many times have you had somebody call you and be like, bro, my page got banned, my page got hacked? I'm in the world all the time. So same thing happened to me years ago.

And I'm like, imagine at this point, this is like six years ago. And I'm just working like as a, I'm a normal person at this point. I'm setting tile doing construction. And I'm living in my car. No money, nothing. And I lost my own personal page. And the only reason that I needed it back was because I had like all of my like family member photos. And this is the number one thing by the way, like the people that come to me now.

One of the number one reasons that they need their account back aside from the people that need it for business, the people that need it because they make money on Instagram is they just, just want their loved ones back. You know, they want the photos of them. There's, there's accounts they follow that are private that they can't, you know what I mean? Obviously, you can't follow back because the person is unfortunately deceased. Right? So for me, when that happened, anyways, I started looking and trying to find somehow, some way

how I can get my account unbanned, right? And I don't want to get into too much detail, obviously. It's like anything else. I don't want to, like, give up my secret sauce. Yeah, but, you know, it's like anything else. I will say it to everybody publicly, and I'll put it this way. I could give you the recipe anyways. The sauce is not going to taste the same.

You know what I mean? It's like anything else. You have a thousand podcasts out there. There's only one no jumper, right? There's a thousand people that can have these same cameras and same staff and same thing, but there's only one no jumper, right? It's the same concept. So for me,

when I was able to find that person, I just, I realized like the amount of money that that person charged me, I realized really quick. I was like, I feel like I'm kind of onto something, right? And from there,

from that point, like I didn't realize I had a business at that point either. I didn't think about it, got my page back from the person a couple weeks later, another one of my friends mentioned, they lost their page, you know, and I was like, okay, I paid X amount of dollars that time. Now let me charge this guy a couple grand, let me make a couple dollars. And when I did, it just, from that point, that first person was one of the, like, it was a very, very prominent LA trapper. And from then, it kind of, it kind of just snowballed into the business that I have now. Like in, in the trap community, in LA, Houston, Miami, you know, most of the Midwest as well when I mentioned Houston and Texas, like, you honestly, you can't really like get on Instagram and trap now without coming through

unlocked. You know, it's, bro, I have over 200 people paying us monthly just to be able to be on Instagram, you know? I sat here and I watch half of these people that come on and talk to you and you, look, I'll ask you this way. The last couple of people that came on here, how many times have you had your own people that you're interviewing tell you they got their Instagram pageband and they had to pay they had to get it back multiple times well it strikes me that the smart people no offense cali plug but i feel like the smart i didn't want a name drop you know for multiple reasons smart people would not admit that they've spent money on it because like i've talked to stars who have told me that they paid to get it back 20 times and over and over and over they just have to keep paying

and get it back and i'm like you realize what's happening to you right like the same same person that's getting you it back. You're getting extorted. So the difference, the reason, that's what I was saying when I go back to the point of saying like you could have my plugs. You could have like I said, the recipe, the sauce doesn't taste the same. The reason is like for us, we didn't come in and like and want to extort everybody else. Obviously like there's other people out there that are doing the same thing. Right. Faceless with no, my first million dollars I made on Instagram, I never showed my face ever. You know what I mean? Like I started the page while living in my car. Those same people that are getting extorted like that on Instagram, like they're, I used to

the same thing to CaliPug. You said, hey, you know, you probably shouldn't say that, that you're willing to pay for your page back a million times. Somebody like that for us, we don't, we're not going to go and just keep banning them over and over and over. For us, it's a better, there's a better solution instead of, for every time I ban somebody costs money. What's the solution?

The solution is making them pay monthly. Okay. So you pay like a month. People will pay a monthly fee for protection. Absolutely. Why are certain people's accounts at such? risk. Explain the climate of Instagram these days that allows for this to even be a thing. So it's not, it's not that necessarily that they're accounts are at risk. Like I'll,

I'll make it very, very simple for everybody to understand like Instagram, Facebook, meta. This is, these are some of the smartest people in the world, right? In the fucking world. And that's why it's always baffled me that it seems like this system is so easily gamed when there's the smartest minds at work on it. And I'm not going to say what I think or what I know. I'm going to just ask a very simple question. I'm just going to bring up the cash app scammers alone. How many times do you go on Instagram and you see people, give me $100,000?

I'm going to send you $5,000 on cash up. I think the same thing. I think how that's the biggest company in the world and they're allowing this to happen. No, bro, fash app. Who cares about cash app? When you look at the top left corner, it says sponsored. There's ads behind it. So you're telling me the smartest company in the world.

can't make one algorithmic change to catch certain verbiage to change the whole thing from like you being able to promote any type of cash app scam, stuff like that. This is just one example, by the way. Why? Because of the money.

Do you know how much money they make from these guys paying ads? Look, it's just like this. But Facebook is making the money from those ads. Meta. It's like, it's just like this. The same people that are getting their account unbanned, you don't think for a second the whole ban, un-banned community,

you don't think they could just go and spend a couple dollars and stop all of us? Ask yourself, this is, how much money do these people have? It's not, it's not like they can or they can't. There's so much, look, five years ago, you didn't have any of this. Cashup was out, all this was out, but you didn't have any of this, like,

bullshit on Instagram going on. Right. And they let it happen. They let it happen. The app gets updated. How many times does your app get updated? Oh, it's on auto, but. But every couple months, you'll notice Instagram gets updated.

They're always fixing bugs. But my perspective on the weed game has always been that the trappers, as you said, is that they get their competitions pages deleted left and right because they are in such direct competition that it behooves them to get their enemies taken care of. A lot of these guys come to me and they think somebody else got them banned and they got their self-banded. Like, Instagram made it very easy for you guys to trap. I will say it again, Instagram made it. So easy for you guys to trap and sell weed on there. In the early days, you're saying.

Today is the easiest time for you to start a trap business on Instagram. Really? What is a trap business? You start an Instagram page, okay? You start a telegram. You pay any, how many celebrities do we both know that will go? You can DM them. Any normal Joe Schmo can DM them and say, how much is story promo?

I'm giving you the whole, like now you're a trap business. The guy says three grand. Let's say it's any I could name a million artists that will do for three guys big artists Very big artists right now you paid him three grand now you have a telegram that's popping that has that has people coming into it You don't even have to have the bags have the distro nothing you can find somebody else that's already a set up distro and every person you sent to him you're gonna get paid per bag that you sell Do you understand like there's Look all these trappers that you see today it's not it's not that these are amazing drug dealers what what a trapper is today in the modern world? I is these are great marketers.

This is what these people are. That's the difference. It's like it's the same thing is if you give somebody else the same power I have, the same access I have, whatever. It's just I'm better at marketing it than you. That's all. You know what I mean? I'm better at closing clients than you.

It's not trapping today is so much different than a couple years ago. Like 10 years ago, if you owe your drug dealer money, he sends you a message or calls you and says, we're going to come and beat the shit out of you and come to your house, blah, blah, blah, right? But today, if you owe your drug dealer money, he says he's going to post you on your story and put it on his story and put you on blast. You see the difference? Right. It's a completely different world.

Everything's cloud-based. Look, it's the same thing as when we see on the news, when they tell us if the U.S. goes to war, we're not going to be in a war where it's like people are, you know, invading beaches and jumping out of lakes and fighting. No, it's going to be cyber warfare. Right. You know, it's the same thing. You know, it's the same exact thing. As far as like the trappers banning each other when I said that they they get their selves banned They make it so easy on Instagram to trap you just like bro just don't say for sale

There I just gave you guys the biggest secret right there I'm not gonna say all of them but put two and two together But a lot of times when I'm looking through the the pages of like you know the not the rappers necessarily But like the rappers homie and he's posting up his menu or whatever and it's like kind of like weird convoluted language to get across the point of like how much he's charged and for a pound of weed or an ounce of weed or whatever. And it's kind of like, it's like super hard to read sometimes

because they're just using like weird characters in it and stuff. And I noticed that like the gangbanger dudes do the same thing where I will read like a paragraph from a gangbanger on Instagram. And it's not even like that they want to write it in such a convoluted way that it's almost impossible to read. It's that they're, they have invented a new language to avoid the algorithm being able to detect what they're talking about.

Because I know a ton of gangbanger. ass rappers who've got their social media accounts deleted on account of like literally just saying some gangbanger ass on their stories. And and that so that applies the Instagram algorithm as far as verbal like you speaking verbal words that it'll pick up to ban you or to strike your account. These are things that that are like for violence, bullying or suicide. When it comes to the drug, the drug thing, whatever, it's, I'm telling you it's for text. It's for when you post a telegram link and you're saying for sale box for sale 10k whatever you're putting a dollar amount for sale this tap the word tap in is the worst thing you can tap in is bad but bro i mean like

you have to think like this if if they figured out for sale you're gonna figure out tap it like it's they're getting better at it too that's why ask yourself this the some of the biggest rappers we know like the i'm not going to say some of the ones that we've paid to do promo but we've we've we've paid multiple a list rappers i'll tell you privately or i can say it and if you guys want to bleep But I can say it. You know, is it okay if you want me to? Just say, we'll believe me. Yeah, we did, we did, we did, we did, we did, who else?

We did what with them? They, for a trapper promo. Oh, okay. Each one of these guys are in the six figures. Every single one of them. You have to pay them six figures in order to get them to what base. You're talking about the feed post that will be saying, hey, I, my people's at so-and-so, we want to do, bra, bra, bra, bra, he won't even do that.

Yeah, he probably didn't want to do that. But you do see a lot of big rappers do that. We have multiple with him. But all he'll do is put the telegram link and say tap in and hit up my boy. That's it. That's it. Just that. Not even more than a 10 second video.

That's it. So is there danger in saying tap in with this telegram group? And what is it about telegram that's so much safer? As far as using it for the menu. Yeah. People, people, me, myself, I never understood it either. Why so many people feel like telegram is so safe. Like at least, at least with other things, you have multiple things you can use.

You have multiple options. It's like everyone that traps on is on telegram. I've only been on telegram to talk to like one person at a time. So I don't really know what having a telegram chat is like. I feel like maybe I should. You don't have, it's not necessarily. You could have a chat if you wanted to. Most of these people have their menus.

You can't comment. You can't type anything. When you click on there, you have a drop-down menu. You can scroll through. And there's, of course, when they do it, they have their prices in there. They have their shipping info. Hit up this number. Hit up this.

And like it's a very sophisticated system. Like these people have teams. They have everything set up. I don't want to get too far into that. You know what I mean? And like feel like I'm like snitching out the game. More power to them. That's what they do.

Right. Because you don't really take interest in what they're selling. You're just in the business of getting the Instagrams back or getting them gone. Yeah. For us, man, look, for us, the amount of power that we hold, like, it's, I could sit there and I could like really like really make some people's life hard. And when we, when I first started out, when I realized how much power I had, I did that, just that.

You know, and I don't want to like name drop, whatever. You know, like I sent you guys ahead of time screenshots and proof of that, but I don't want to, like, I won't name drop and say who or what, but. Yeah. You showed me a bunch of people who I have interviewed in the last year, let's just say, who were buying, what, fake followers, getting their enemies banned, getting their accounts back, which is obviously that's kind of like the more common thing. Paying monthly, paying for me to delete their address off of my story. And we're just

just within those screenshots, there's over $150,000 right there between three people. But when you say paying to get their address deleted off my story, what are you doing? Why are you in the business of extorting people like that, like airing out their privacy and then trying to demand a ransom? That's what you're talking about? So when you look at it at the surface, on the surface, 100% what you said is right and sounds right. Correct? So it's like for us, when somebody comes to us and they end up in the situation where they're paying us monthly for their account back, right? For me, I have a couple options.

It's like I can sit there and keep bleeding their account, doing this, that, whatever. And then it's like, it's like, what's the most valuable thing to you is where you live? What's the most private thing? You're a trapper. You know what I mean? Like you sell drugs. Right. end of the day as much as anybody that's going to watch us is going to hate to hear this that or the other

it's like it's it's no different than like how many of these people i'm i'm not going to say names but you live here in l.a you know how many people here that are the biggest trap or you can't be a huge trapper here in l.a without paying tax right yeah i mean i don't really have to encounter it no no but you you you've heard things yeah you've heard and down to the people that pull up on you for interviews you see how they pull up and they pull up that way because they pay tax and because they can pull up that way. You know what I mean? It's for a reason. It's, it's no different than like, it's just, that's the internet version of it. You know, it's how many times do you think a new brand comes up? And they, I have my own clients, send me daily different brands that they just

launch. And they're like, hey, bro, it's a new brand we just launched. Please don't with it. Please don't attack it, ban it, this, that. Like, it's just, it is what it is. So if you really, but, but I mean, what you're describing there, though, is like, which I think is going to make people think you're particularly sinister as you're describing like having someone who doesn't owe you money but then you decide that you want to get more money out of them so you start airing out their private details that's going to strike quite a few people i think is that what you're describing no they already they were already on a monthly plan okay they stopped paying oh so it's people who do owe you money yeah it's just you stop paying you know what i mean instead of you paying 10 grand a month

now i'm going to make you pay 50 and put you back to 15 grand a month it's very simple You know what I mean if I don't if I don't post again on my social media Ever again ever. I'm gonna wake up every month to six hundred thousand dollars Six hundred and twenty two Travis how much six twenty can you check six twenty what? Around six twenty a month, but do you live in fear that these people are gonna kill you because realistically? These are the kind of people who probably would kill someone I'm not gonna say your assistant's name, but your assistant asked me the same thing. She's like why are you coming with two security guards? Why'd you pull up the way you pulled up? She asked me the same question.

And I explained to her very simply. It's like you're making $2 million a month off of your Instagram and your telegram. I come and I take it away and make you pay for it back. And I make it public and I post it and I expose you. It's the same thing we did to the blacklist. The blacklist, though, it's like, you know the page is a blacklist. No. The blacklist, imagine no jumper but for trappers.

Really? Very sick page. For a long time, you know, this person had an, thing going, right? They could have done a great, a great offshoot. Like you mentioned it once that you said, he's like, all these podcasts about trappers, this and that, they don't really take off. They don't do that well. It's a very niche community. But the pages that, you know, this person had was very, very good, right? But imagine you have a no jumper platform, right, but for the trap community. It's no different than you hitting up a rapper and you have some, something that you

could air out and you tell them like, hey, 10 bands are on me air or I'm, I would never do that for the record. And they did nothing. fabricated it. They did nothing wrong at all. And that's what that page was. That's one of the biggest reasons that I have so many, as much as sinister is what I do, like, I do sounds. Like, that's why I have so many of these LA guys coming to us is like Blacklist alone. Like, like, imagine your, all this platform was was a media page for, for trappers to like to see all their, like all the different people that got caught, people got arrested, et cetera, things that are going on in LA, whatever. A media page for trap. Right. And, and, like,

This is like this whole time I'm thinking it's somebody like me running it, whatever. It's a 40, or it's like a 52 year old woman running this page and she's going around and extorting these people. And these are the same people coming to me. And you're asking me, you're like, it sounds sinister for you to ban this page, make them pay whatever, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Okay, well, I have a client that just had to pay her 40 grand with a threat of getting posted on her viral page, which at the time, she's extremely viral. If you post that you're a brand scamming, you're done. Like, it is what it is. You know how social media is very hard to repair something sometimes when it's, once it's posted.

And they come to me and they ask, they're like, I want this page gone. But is there part of you that has a hard time sleeping at night because this sounds kind of evil? No. For me, you know, I had to accept very, very early that I can't, you know, like, I can't live in a regular neighborhood. You know what I mean? I can't. Like, I'm in a very, very, very secure situation, you know? So, like, for me, yes.

like if you're asking if it's hard to sleep at night. Like it's not hard for me to sleep at night in the sense of my conscience, conscience, you know what I mean? But it's also a big cost. Social media, we don't have like an overhead, right?

Like you have this amazing studio. You have all these employees. You have a huge overhead, right? I have a team. I have employees, all this, whatever, but I don't have anywhere near the overhead you have.

So for me, it's nothing if I have to pay $10,000, $20,000 a month for security. It's nothing at all. You know what I mean? So it's like, security's always the number one thing you want to spend money on. Yeah, and it's like, look, the way I look at it is this. If I don't do it, one, someone else is going to do it.

It's a classic term of anybody that does something fucked up to make themselves feel better, right? So are there people out there who have like a weed page and then they have multiple versions of you tapping in at the same time, threatening to get them deleted if they don't do business? No, no. No, there's only one of me. The only thing that I have that I would say that I do have multiple of me going. is we built a whole separate, like we built a whole separate team unlocked. You know, people, think about like how people sell online coaching, mentorship, all this.

I never wanted to do online coaching or mentorship because I felt like I'm like, dude, I'm 27 years old. What the fuck I'm going to coach you about? I see so many people that are my age that are like doing life coaching this, that, like, bro, you haven't done shit in your fucking life. Like, what are you going to coach? Right. For me, I know what I've like already done, proven, built, made money on.

And that's what, like, we built a team unlocked. people pay $7,500 just to have access to the services I have. The same access that I have, the same. So you come to me and you ask me, I need this page back or gone, whatever. The price I give you is for the members that pay the $7,500 that go and join, those people get it for less than half, right? And then that's their spread, right? They go and they resell it.

So it's like what you're asking to answer your question, no. If there's a bunch of people that go and do that, no. But we built a whole other, like, army of people that, that's all they do. You can you go and you type in just unlocked on Instagram You see endless amount of people Fake accounts No these are all ours You can't

People people come to me to delete fake accounts How how embarrassing would it be If I had fake accounts for me Really? Think about that Yeah that would be kind of embarrassing Be kind of fucked up Yeah You know what I mean

Weren't capable of doing the service That you're claiming to be capable of right Yeah it's it's the same thing as As you know look For me The thing that I feel like I did a lot differently that a lot of these guys, like, there's a lot of those faceless pages on IG that, like,

you can hit up for followers, this, that get your page back, et cetera. Like, for me, like, we built a whole brand around it, you know, and the name itself, it just kind of happened on accident, the whole unlocked name. It just happens that, like, unlocked it on banner the same thing, and they sound good together. How crucial is it for you to have connections with, like, Facebook employees? So how big a part of this whole puzzle is it to have somebody on the inside? You know, what's really unfortunate in so many people, really, really truly believe in their heart that it's like it's somebody at Meta or at Facebook

banning you. And it's not. It's not, you know, if everybody watching this wants to, you know, you can finish the interview and go watch after, but you can watch the Joe Rogan podcast that he did with Mark Zuckerberg, right? This is the founder of Meta and he said it himself. You know, the bans, unbans, verifications, all of this is done by a third party company. Meta doesn't want to be judge and jury. You know what I mean? And that's why a lot of times, even if you get like a report if you've ever gotten a story removed or something like that it'll say our automated system did XYZ you know and they use these third party companies you know that are all across all across the world right you know there's no there's no rep at meta like they're we we all know people that work

at facebook but they can't do shit for you they what if my account is is not capable of being recommended to other pages because that's what my account status has been for many years now and that's basically what I'm blaming for why my followers haven't grown at all it's like I can't I can't be in suggested and shit for some reason. So a lot of people use the term shadow ban, right? A lot of people, you've heard that a million times. I'm shadow, yeah. I'm shadow banned.

My page doesn't get recommended. I'm not on the Explorer page. So the way that, you know, again, it's not like somebody going in meta and picking your page and being like, we don't want Adam's page to be pushed. It's completely automated in that front. They have way more other shit that they're dealing with on the day-day basis than to be looking at accounts. And if they look at somebody's account, it's to decide.

if we're deleting it or not. Andrew Tate's a great example. When he got banned, it's not banned by like an automated system. No, this is a high- That was a big decision for them, yeah. Exactly. So, but there's not,

there's not that team of people making that decision for us to, let's make Adam's views go down. No, if they're going to spend that much time, think about how much they pay each of these people. If they're going to spend that much time on you, they're just deleting you or not deleting you, it's one of those two.

The reason that people get that type of shadow ban, this, that, they notice their views, down is obviously a huge multitude of reasons because of the way that the algorithm is built for you, for somebody like you, who's completely active every single day, you're getting reposted by multiple high, high profile people, whatever. Of course, you should be like, bro, my page should be crazy. Right.

Crazy getting views, right? Do I have any way to get my account back into good standings without? Because, like, I've asked for the review a million times on, because I've just had, it's not even that many. It's like maybe four or five stories removed over the course of like the past few years for dumbest shit ever for things that like don't make any fucking sense one time I posted something and it was a screenshot of Facebook of me calling my employee slash brother-in-law Josh a faggot and I fucking drew a big ass black line through the word

faggot and I still got it and I tell people even if you if you screenshot something draw it over it screenshot after you drew over it and then post it if you really you're drawing over listen you're drawing over it if you drew over it if you drew They know what's under that. If it's already drawn over and you're posting it, you can't see it, obviously. If you drew over it in your iPhone. That is smart. You're drawing over it in Instagram's app.

Yeah. Any edits, anything that you do, it's every keystroke you make on Instagram. Even if you just click the search button. Right. This is all registered. The most insulting one was that we had a No Jumper Live show. And somebody was in the audience filming someone on stage. I can't remember.

And they said something like, hey, look at this pussy's bitch. I'm gonna fuck you up or some shit. And they were joking. They're in the crowd for a fucking live show. It's not like they were serious. They were joking around. But I reposted it on my shit and I got hit for threatening violence.

Yeah. I didn't even know that he said that on the fucking story because I had my phone on mute when I reposted. I'm not thinking about exactly what the guy was saying. But I mean, I'm just, I say that to say that. More expensive. More expensive than any unbanned, anything that I do, the number one most expensive thing that we do

is removing people's shadow ban. And again, there isn't any like set process to where it's like it's like we we do a couple things and we give you your account back that's very easy for us removing a shadow bin takes a lot of time really it's a long process and it's expensive and usually those kind of cases we only do for friends of friends high profile people you know what I mean you know a few people that we've already done those for it's like that that kind of thing for your for your account in you know just as an example you have two options it's like I could give you a list of things to

stop doing and stop posting about whatever because you're not going to fucking do it. One. I am so careful, though. I'm, like, putting ashtrixes and fucking... That's completely fine. And the ones that you already got reported will fall off over time. You know, these...

All of that stuff will go away. And I'm telling you, you see, you're getting reposted by some of the biggest names. And your page still isn't going crazy like it's supposed to. And it's for the simple reason. It's just the way... The Instagram algorithm is only going to push pages that it feels are preferable, safe. Like, think about it's their explore page. If you even click on the Instagram explore page,

And if you really look at it, even the colors of the photos that are all next to each other in the video, they all even match. They all look good together. You ever notice that either? On the explore page. Yes. And that's why I try to explain to people. The AI system that they have built is insane. Insane.

Like, go to your own explore page is where you'll probably end up being posted. That's where you see your friends posted on an explore page. Yeah. The people you follow, right? The bigger name people, if you go on your export page right now. I never go on a sport page anymore. A lot of people, a lot of people don't that do what you and. I do that are on social media all day every day or whatever.

And you're not making money through your Instagram account. The typical person like me that's on Instagram all day and we're making money through our DMs, I'm not ever going to the explore page, ever, right? And even when I go, it's the biggest accounts that I follow, the most known people and they're on there. Right. And it's for the simple fact is their content matches, it matches the color scheme. You know what I mean? The general color scheme, no filter.

The whole filter thing kills people for their posts. 100%. Well, it gets you less engagement when you use a filter? 100. Go on the explore page. No one has a filter on their photos. Really? There's no filters.

The photos all just match the same color scheme that pleases that AI bot that they're using for the explore page at that time. Mind you, Instagram is constantly updating that AI bot that they're using for the explore page based on what's going on in the world, what's being talked about, etc. That's why the time for the election. You could just type the word election only on a black screen, post it, and get the fucking story reported. Really? I mean, think about how sensitive it was back then. Yeah, it was crazy, right? Yeah, and think about how quiet everybody gets.

Like, it's a really, really, really big, like, wake up call, I feel like, for everybody to understand. Like, we don't go on Facebook. We don't have MySpace. We don't. It's just like when you ask me, why does everyone trap on Telegram? Everybody gets social on Instagram. X, Twitter, whatever. God bless them, like, what they're doing, whatever.

Like, it's cool and all. But again, everybody's on Instagram. Everybody. X, what they did when you asked me, you're like, oh, couldn't Instagram fix all this? They just did the same thing. Twitter was the easiest platform for me to manipulate. The easiest one for me to ban.

The easiest one for me to unbanned. Easiest one for me to claim usernames. Verify you before they launched that stupid fucking pay verification, which we'll talk about for meta in a little bit. And I'll explain to you why they did that. Okay. But it's like, again, he came in and he removed employees. And in one week, he made it completely impossible for me or anybody on my team to do any of that.

I'm paying $70,000 a month in electric bills just for our servers. You know what I mean? Like we have a very, very big team and we have a good operation going for what we do for online. It's like Instagram and all this, it became a side hustle for me in the long run. You know, I have most people come to us because, you know, they're getting their watch stolen. They have somebody that owes the money. I have every bookie here in L.A. that comes to us for that same thing, for recovery. you know, think about it like that.

You're a public person, you know. You're a public person and you owe 100 grand for fucking sports betting, you know, and you're... What am I going to come to you? What are you going to do? You're the bookie. You come to me and you're like, this guy owes me $100,000. Okay. Somebody like me and you're a normal, regular everyday Joe Schmo.

You know, somebody like me that's going to come in and destroy, like, there's nothing Instagram involved. Like, I'm going to destroy your life in this, like, in every single way possible. Like, imagine, like, you're personal. On jury duty you're getting signed up for the army your your phone every phone number that you have is going You can't you can't live anymore You're gonna set up a payment plan even if you can only pay fucking 20 bucks a month you're going to pay You know that's that's one of the few ways that I'll like give you a few examples without me like saying something that's gonna put me in fucking prison

Right you know but how much of a concern is that because it does strike me that a lot of what you're describing Sounds illegal but it also sounds like it would be difficult for the government to make a case about since It would just be kind of hard to follow the tracks, right? Everything I'm saying is just a story. Right. It is just a story. You know, but even look, even if every single thing that I'm saying is true, do you think any of these quote-unquote drug dealers are going to come and testify against me,

do you need two parties for a case? Sooner or later, though, they all end up a citizen, right? I mean, look, you could, and I've done way worse. I mean, if you really want to go there, I've done way worse, you're 100% right. Everything that you ask me is what you're doing, dangerous, is it this, 100%. I got like living on the edge No no not not at all Like I'm not I'm not a street guy

You know what I mean? I'm not some gangster I'm not I'm not none of that It's just like I've got offered this opportunity to like tell this story This this about like what I do whatever so many times What I said no to everybody because because of what you're asking me like aren't you like worried about like bringing it up talking about it? One I feel like no one's ever talked about it like Like really really really like talked about what's got like what's gone on in the game and how it's happened.

We've seen. And that's why I agreed to do this, even though, realistically, this isn't necessarily the kind of world that you want to be drawing attention to for yourself, like, even just being adjacent to this sort of thing, because it just seems like, oh, do you really want to put yourself on the radar for people who are involved in this sort of thing? Imagine one of you fuckers argue with Adam now, and your shit's gone, you're going to think Adam called me. Okay.

But by the way, by the way, before the interview you told me, you were like, I will never I will never, yeah, just to be clear to everybody. From my perspective, you were immediately offering, I can get this guy band, I can get this guy band, can I say who? Can I say who? Sure. I want to, China Mac.

Look, Dougie, I'm just saying nothing against you, you know? Like, I just was trying to make Adam a little happy stuff. But I said, listen, if you want to do it, go right the fuck ahead. I'm not going to incentivize you. I'm not going to ask you to. I don't want to be in the position of ordering out hits like this. I think the issue now. that we brought it up and talked about it.

I think it's only fair that we just put, like, I won't make it permanent, but I think we put him on, like, a one-day timeout just to make it, you know what I mean? That's all I'm saying. If you did that right when this came out, that would be fucking hilarious. I'm not ordering the hit.

I'm just saying, no, I mean, during, like, the rollout of the clips would be badass. He's just, like, on timeout during it. You know what I mean? And we dropped the clip of, like, just like a 24-hour timeout. It seems dope.

I don't know. I mean, listen, you would be realistically doing something good for the world. By doing that but I don't want to you know get in that yeah I'm already fucking around enough by even talking yeah I'm not gonna I'm not gonna side with either one of you and say Either which way because somebody's just gonna be like oh he's just agreeing with Adam because he's in front of him I could care less either way I'm telling you I get everybody's drama that comes to me every day like bro on Christmas Eve I had multiple people alone that were like hey this is my girl's pages is our number out I was like I want this taken down destroyed whatever on Christmas Eve their girl but

But why? Think about how evil this is. And we're not, we're not talking about, like, a couple hundred dollars. Like, we're talking thousands of dollars per one, right? So it's like, well, it's cheaper for you. You can use that couple grand to go get a new girl. Whatever. But, man, like, you know how it is.

It is what it is. Like, this is how some people are. They want that revenge. And I don't, I'm not going to tell them not to do it. But what's funny about it is that they want the revenge, but they don't want any chance that they'll actually get caught putting the work in for. that revenge because obviously in this day and age if you want to shoot up somebody's crib

there's a million fucking camera angles they're gonna capture you going to do it there's a whole million different reasons why you're gonna get caught doing it. This is why the Instagram band game is so crazy imagine. Because it seems like there's no consequences and realistically there aren't for most people right? Fuck the consequences for a second. Think about

there's like a pizza shop right here. I burned the whole store down. It's no different than you may you have a fucking Instagram page that you're selling something on it. You're selling dildos on it. And I banned the page. Right. It's the same thing.

And then the other, the pizza shop that we burn down, I tell you, I'm like, until you pay, I'm not fucking letting you rebuild it and work here, nothing. Like, I'll give you the whole store back

and we'll build it for you, but you have to pay. Right. It's the same thing. Like, it's, look, I'll put it to you like this. I'm not going to say who,

but my, my biggest, biggest clients who are outside of the country down south, you know, I'll say this. Those people, word for word,

is what they told me, the reason that they love me so much is with me, there's no bodies. You know what I mean? Somebody owes them 400 bands. With me, they get their money back.

They get to watch me, make them fucking hate their life. Like, I won't get into details, but they have a very hard time for an entire year. Plus, they get on a payment plan. They get their money back,

and there's no bodies. Without me, they kill the motherfucker, and on top of that, they're still owed 400 grand. And now they're working for their cousins, their mom and their kids. You've done work for the cartels?

Again, I'm not going to say who, what? But again, some of my biggest clients, the reason that they love me so much, again, I'll say it, is because there are no bodies. For that simple reason alone, it's like you're coming into a situation where it's like I'm already owed money and I have to pay me more money. You know, it's like pick your poison. You want to pay somebody that's going to recover your money for you with nobodies. You know what I mean? And very little legal consequences for you at that point, you know? Or you want to hire somebody to go shoot up someone's house.

Which one do you want? You know, if you're not pissed off, I mean, you can go do it that way. But I tend to see my richest, richest clients, the richest ones in those industries that we talked about, tend to be the ones that, you know, usually they're more laid back. They're like, okay, I'm owed the money. I'll get this money. They're already multimillionaires as it is. So it's like, okay, I'll pay this guy to let him attempt to get my money back. And for me, these are services that I never even like advertisers.

It's just word of mouth from one. Like, yeah, bro, I was owed $80,000. He got it back for me. I got my watchful and he got it back for me. Crazy thing is that if the cops could, it would make just as much sense to go after the person who banned the Instagram of the guy who fucking sells toys on Etsy or some bullshit.

It would make just as much sense for the cops to go after that guy. They just don't have the resources. They don't even understand. They don't know what the fuck it is. Whereas going after the guy who just shot up a house, they already know how to pursue those people. I feel like I'm doing the feds and the police a favor. I'm giving them with this interview

no no I mean I haven't given them giving them or anybody anything really really that you know I gave you you know just just enough to like give you an understanding of how how that game works you know you gave me enough that I definitely believe you I mean I sent you screenshots and I said proof of a bunch of people I know

I was like you do this yeah yeah and even even the person that connected me and you because I like literally shall not say who but you know who you are and I love you so much. I also love you. I bet you. I'm not going to say.

Has that person gave you a lot of money over the years? Zero, not $1. Then why are you taking care of all of their enemies? The person that connected you and I? Yeah. Look at the simple, look at who connected us. Like when I met that person, they came to me like literally like distraught worry. They're like this other and the other person with a three letter acronym.

We both know who I'm talking about. Oh, this person is torturing. The same person that kept messing with your girl's page. Right. The person we're talking about came to me and said, oh, my page keeps getting taken down this, that. And ever since then, I'm pretty sure you've noticed that page never has been taken down again. Right. Ever.

But that person who you're talking about, you don't want to say their name? Who? The one that connected us for the OBN? Yeah, yeah. You can throw them in there. But that, like, that kid. What happened with that? Because there was, like, articles about them.

and shit and then I haven't heard it time lately. Yeah, so for me, even look, I'll tell you, I'll give it to him. You know, even me, like somebody, like, when I got into the industry and I got into it, like, I'm sitting there, I'm like, I keep hearing this fucking name from my clients. They're coming to me and being like, this guy keeps fucking with me, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, okay, well,

who is? And I start digging. Obviously, I do my job. And I look into it, it's some fucking, like, 20-year-old in Vegas. Like, and the worst part is when I try to let go and, like, pull his info, like, his social security number, all this shit. He doesn't even how fucking paper is not even a citizen.

You know, he's like some little kid. And then when he called me and talked to me, I'll send it to you privately, I'll send you the voice messages like somebody. He's like, he's literally like a kid. You know what I mean? Like, and I realized that really quick. And he fell ass backwards into this

kind of like the way you did. I feel like he fell into it and he had the same access, right? It's just he, one, he didn't know at all how to market it or who to like really use it with. He just took it and he's like, I'm going to use it complete, for just complete evil and extortion.

Really? That's what it looks like because it's like he's faceless, right? He doesn't he's not known for helping anyone with their account this that recover nothing You know what I mean? He's just known for every single time you've heard that person's name or or dealt with them or anything is them extorting somebody or taking their page down or etc etc. So it's like you have a lot of people that that's their angle too in the game You know a lot of people for me for me again just the the The team unlock group that we built alone those those people that I have in there like I can't explain to you imagine an army of of just me

another army of people that are reselling and doing the same services all around the world I have people in China Russia the UK we just did a new a brand new student in the UK I just posted about him today you know and it's it'll be on on my main page and story highlights but the guy's been with us for for two weeks you know he just bought a fucking $40,000 watch right like and again this is because he's he's in the UK that's not my market and there's Again, the same way that there's all these people here that want their fucking accounts back. They want this. They want revenge on somebody.

There's a huge market for this. You know who Punch Made Dev is? Punch Made Dev has come to me multiple times. Because, okay. And he's bought, and for the record, fuck that guy. He's bought fake followers from me multiple times. And he's like trying to like, yeah, yeah. Look, I told you.

I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. But I told you I don't want to name drop people. Like, I don't want to say this person did that. But the only reason that, like, my problem with that kid at all. All the only only issue I've ever had with him is like cool bro do your little scam thing This isn't that like I get it I'm all you know I'm all for that not the scamming but like you making money on social media

It's just like I've had him try and send me people multiple times after he's used me You know and then he sends him to me and then after the fact like I'll I'll sit there waste my time and imagine after the fact I have them hit me I'm like yeah he charged me and they get nothing They hit me up telling me that they paid him for something for me to do And they hit me up and they're like, why isn't this done, bro? I'm like, my motherfucker, you didn't pay me. And they sent me a screenshot of them paying him. You know what I mean? Because, okay, I was watching an Instagram live argument between TjX6 and Punch Mid-Def like three years ago.

And in that clip, and this is before Punch Made Dev is famous and TjX-6 keeps calling him OBN-Dev. And I'm like, is it him? Or is he, was he working with him at the time? No. So those kids, all they did is just they'd made a little telegram chat. You can go and whatever, find it. You can join into it, whatever. It's no different than anything else.

It's like it's for him, for them to call this kid, O-B and Dev, like, Dev, I will give it to him is a great marketer. Great marketer, A-class. I love his music, too. I'm not gonna lie. Amazing. Love it. I'm not kidding.

I love that shit. Like, I listen to his music. I have, like, when I'm like, fuck you, Dev, whatever. Yes, fuck him, but I, whatever. I like what he's got going on. I just don't like that scam shit. Like, it's like, bro, look, scam everyone else just don't scam me. You see what I'm getting at?

Like, how many scammer friends do you have? Shit, probably just you. And them? Me? I'm not a scammer, though. I'm not scamming for anybody. I guess I've met a lot of like scammers over the years, but I don't really like get too deep into knowing what they want.

Man, that's our number one. Who, who's my clients? Trappers, scammers, only fans models. Right. And so let's get into that because that, as far as people I know who spend money to get their Instagrams back, I mean, Yes, the trappers. We've seen a lot of that over the years,

but I've seen the OnlyFans girls go through hell and back. Is it, like, who is it that's getting their accounts deleted? More than anybody? I'd say more than anybody, it's usually going to be the, it's usually going to be the L.A. drug guys, not even, and it's only L.A. Why would a L.A. drug guy? They're the easiest accounts to go down. The OnlyFans girls, because you just have to find a bunch of pictures.

The only fans girls, what I really, like, look, look, The trapper guys that I deal with, a lot of them, a lot of time, like, because they have already that, like, scammer mentality in their mind about sending money on the internet, on whatever, or that bullshit, a lot of them are really hard to deal with. The only fans girls are amazing. I can tell her five grand for her pageback, 10 grand. She's paying it. She's paying, and especially she came from a referral, someone else that got their pageback, etc. Those are my favorite to deal with, my favorite. But at the same time, I see those a lot less now, a lot less.

And they wizened up. You see like they don't put they use link tree they don't post our only fans link They don't you know what I mean like the same way how how we brought up talking about with the verbiage that you can use when you're posting about weed on Instagram It's the same thing with the only fans girls is they obviously wizened up and they found a way for them to be able to continue posting and and doing what they want to do But you know what's the funny as backwards step that the only fans the Instagram world has seen is that the girls who figured out that they could post full fucking nipples as long as they had like a sheer wet fucking t-shirt over it and you would just see girls getting hundreds and hundreds of thousands of subscribers of likes on posts from just basically being butt naked and somehow the algorithm can't detect it because it's

under a shirt. What the fuck is that? So the way when it's like anything else like any type of any type of AI that has any like anything that is supposed to recognize in the photo it starts to recognize like the collar sleeves, stuff like that, and it just recognizes instantly, okay, there's a shirt over it. You see what I'm saying? And then as long as, here's the other side of it. If the nipples are very dark in the photo, it'll get, it'll also get reported because it's

right there. Post a t-shirt with yourself tonight. Just a t-shirt of nipples on the t-shirt. It'll probably get flagged if you don't show the collar. You know what I mean? Like if it's a girl, like girls' tits, basically. I'm saying it could be on your body. Sorry for hitting this.

But it's the same thing. It's just that automated system is very sensitive in a lot of ways. And it's not as like as high-tech as people think in the sense of like of how it's going to like pick and choose what it wants to ban for it For the AI itself, it's like thing about whoever whoever's the one that coded the commands for it It's like they'd rather be safe than sorry probably Right and that's why a lot of times whenever you see your page banned it doesn't say banned it's a suspended and then you can appeal it Right and for us that's kind of the gold mine because a lot of people click appeal and they fuck up the appeal process and they get their account where it says this account is being permanently being permanently banned.

And then after that, then they end up having to see us. And it's like, for me, the number one thing that I noticed with the people that need their accounts back, obviously the number one customer is going to be the guy that's making money on Instagram. But again, for me, I love, love helping those people that really, like, actually need their page back because they had the loved one on there, whatever. They had like 200 followers. Like, that's all they fucking wanted. Because, bro, some sinister shit happens on Instagram.

Like, for instance, Dave Mira, rest in peace, arguably one of the greatest BMX writers of all time, one of the most legendary BMX writers. You know, he had a real Instagram account with, I don't know, a million followers, some shit like that. And then he died. And then at some point, his page gets fucking taken down by hackers or whoever. And so now he's got like a, you know, a memorial account or whatever that has like 50K or some shit. But I'm like, bro, how dark is that? That you had this page that was devoted to everybody who cared about you during your life. And now it's fucking gone because somebody chose to mess with your account.

Yeah. And, you know, the shitty part about that situation, too, is the only way to get his page back is, like, one, somebody from fucking meta, we could get lucky and they could hear this. And they'll be like, you know, we're going to give him his page back. Right. They could look into it that way. Otherwise, for me on my end, like, if I wanted to go and get his page back, somebody from his team or someone close to him would have to know that email address that was on that Instagram account and the phone number attached to that Instagram account. Adam, if some way you can get those three items,

username, email, sell, then maybe when... Probably good. I've never talked to his wife, but I bet she probably has at least a close idea, which just, maybe the number he had at the time,

the email that he uses. Many, many years before he passed. Yeah, and that's very simple, stuff like that. You know, it's like, but to that same token, I've had that multiple times as well. I've had people come to me

and be like, can you unband this guy? My friend's page who's been past, way for some reason I woke up one day to go look at his pictures to look at his page and the page is gone. Right. You know, and I was like, okay, well, I need the info that I just asked you for, you know, told you right now. And they're like, bro, I have no way to get that. So, you know, and those are the hardest. I'll say this. If you DM me and you say that you, you came from the no jumper interview and you had a loved one, you lost a page from a loved one, I will 100% help you for free. 100% if it's for that reason and you have to prove it, you know, but like, those are my favorite. Okay. You know, I feel, those are like my favorite. You know, I feel, those are like, my favorite, favorite to do. Bro, people geek out.

People geek out when they get it back. You know, like. So, okay, there was a dude, this was a memory that I have from shit on, I don't know,

maybe like two years ago. Basically, there's a pro skateboarder named Terry Kennedy who at a certain point in his life had this guy who was like managing him, aka had control

of his Instagram account and was basically just doing a bunch of shady shit. Then Terry Kennedy catches a murder charge. So now this guy who was his manager is like using his account to basically like promote himself and do all kinds of shaboarder growing up

one of the most famous black was one of the most yeah yeah yeah i mean i you know i'm from lorco myself you know you know like i even being you know in america like in the skateboarding scene growing up i grew up skateboarding like i only used to skate park bulls stuff like that never really skated street too much but even growing up skateboarding bro just like people don't realize like racism is more alive in bmx and skateboarding than anything like like terry was the first like l-a hoods skater who went pro that's what that's what that's what that's what that's That's why when you brought him up, I was like, literally, I was like, yes, I know who he is like. But the only reason why I'm bringing him up is because, so he had the shady-ass manager.

And so I personally, after he got locked up for this murder charge, made it my little mission to be going on my story saying, hey, report this guy. This guy's, you know, has control of Terry Kennedy's account and he's locked up and he shouldn't be able to be using it in this way, yada, yada. And pretty quickly, I started to get my Instagram suspended, like three days in a row. It got suspended. And then I had to wait 24 hours each time in order to be able to appeal. it and then I would get it right back and then it would go away right away and I kept fucking bitching about it on Twitter and eventually it seemed like my account kind of got locked so that they weren't able to do this anymore is that is that how it works

so a lot of people come and they pay us for that as well we for us we charge a certain fee per year to white list you okay basically like stop that from happening so the instance you're saying it sounds like a coincidence because of the Terry Kennedy situation plus your Instagram going down but it could likely just have been it was just him getting revenge on me for the fact that I was airing him out for doing shady shit. He could have just known someone like me. And you didn't know.

You have no way of knowing who somebody knows sometimes. Right. I'm telling you, you would be amazing. Bro, I've had somebody come to me before and want, they send me an Instagram page, like how much to delete this? Like, click the Instagram page. It's a fucking dog groomer. He messed up the dog's haircut.

Like, dude, like this is, listen, mind you, mind you, this person and I know is watching this because he's a very good client of mine and a friend of mine is worth over $200 million. Wow. Yes, and doesn't give a fuck, nor does he ask me how much. He sends me the page says delete it, and he just goes, check yourself. $10,000 cent. These are the kind of people that I end. But this shit has changed, right?

It feels like it's a lot harder to get people deleted now. I don't see anywhere near as many only fans girls getting deleted these days. Well, no, no, I mean, if they're just, if you're talking about in the sense of like if they can get deleted for the nudity, stuff like that, it goes back to kind of what I said, a lot of them, a wizened up. It's even, it's very known, like, okay, you're a new, OnlyFans girl coming up. Let's just say, I hate to use your wife as an example.

Somebody comes, talks to Lena says, hey, I'm thinking about doing only fans. What should I do? What's the first thing Lena's going to tell them? Don't post this. Right. So it's kind of like a general, before it wasn't as known, you know, like you could get banned for X, Y, Z. And now that it's so known, that's a big reason why you don't see as many bands.

As far as, like, somebody like the person that we brought up earlier that connected us, the reason that person got banned so many times because it's just targeted. See what I mean? So that's the difference. Like it's simply that Like simply being targeted or not I had a realization at some point As an only fan's manager or whatever

That probably the best advice that I could give To any girl who wants to do only fans is Don't make any enemies Don't piss anybody off Which is it's strange advice to give because it's like Literally if you piss off anyone If you have any enemies It's so easy for them to get in touch with somebody

Who's capable of getting your account deleted That you're basically going to be powerless to them. It sounds like very unrealistic advice to give someone is don't make anybody dislike you. It really encourages you to be like a shell of a human who doesn't interact in any kind of honest manner. You would think the insurance that we sell and slash protection, the yearly fee for somebody's account, this is not somebody paying us just to stay alive or stay on the on the platform, but this is like somebody who is like, if your account goes back, goes down, whatever, we're going to get it back for you for free. It's not for free, but that's what your insurance is. Like,

You crash your fucking car same thing you'd be amazed you would think the drug dealers the trappers these are the guys that are the ones Scammers etc these are the guys buying that the only fans girls buy that the most and they're getting banned less But for them again it's like that's how girls are like if we put 10 guys in a room and we put 10 girls in a room Out of each of the the group of 10 people which party which gender has more more of their cars and shirt the girls How many yes or no how many guys are gonna have their could be like I don't have insurance But in the words of sexy red I don't buy insurance for my wit. This ain't Geico. Did you just do sexy reds?

I wish. I thought I didn't know. I'm trying to get chlamydia. Come see me sexy red. No, I was just trying to interview her back when she, like right before she popped off and now she's fucking gigantic. Yeah, it's, I didn't even know you tried to. But like, okay. There's no way that you could get Kim Kardashian account, her account gone. What is it about mega celebrities? that protects their account. No, it's not that they're mega celebrities.

It's just, you remember when they rolled out the meta verified? Anybody that pays for that $15 a month bullshit, meta verified, still, rest in peace, easy. Okay. No issue, but. They can still get gone. Yeah, but again, like, how do we, look, it's good and bad that they did that meta verified bullshit because it's like, one, it's like, okay, the people that actually earn their verification, we all know if you're metafified or not.

You have your profile picture and you have your government name in your bio. Right. We know right away. And only the people that earn their, whatever, it sucks. Wait, what about the profile picture? It has to be like a picture of your face? You can't do it without a picture of your face, right? So your profile wouldn't be able to, like, for somebody to, like, for somebody to,

again, it's going to have to be somebody at meta. They're not going to just let your, your page is going to be taken down if it's taken down by meta. It's not going to be taken down by somebody like me. Like somebody that's a mega celebrity like that, Kim Kardashian or you. It's not about mega celebrity. It's about the account being an OG verified account. Okay. That's what it is.

Those are hard to get rid of. Very hard. Yeah, I mean, they're possible, but you have, you have to go through a different type of process. And you have a, you have a much long, I'll give you one example. You could copyright claim it. That's a very good way. You know what I mean? We have a lot of people that have us copyright claiming YouTube claim YouTube video, right? But a lot of people are smart enough to do with the same exact audio that you have on your YouTube video, dubbed over it in the Spotify song. We copyright claim your, your YouTube video as if it was, you're using our song. And you, but you probably can get that overturned, right? But a lot of people aren't smart enough to do. Yeah. My clients get. these hate videos made of them, these little pages that are like, let me expose you, blah, blah, this bullshit, like this, they overturn it once in a while, but you know what I mean? But for us to take it, to take it down as a couple days, for them to overturn it as a couple

days, you know what I mean? It's a process for both parties, and a lot, like you said, a lot of people, it's not that they're not smart enough, they don't want to deal with it, this and that. A lot of these guys are smaller creators, and honestly, they just really don't understand that they can appeal it. They kind of get the email and they start to freak out, they're like, oh shit, like,

you know, a lot of people, honestly, they really they probably don't even read into it. They just see their video got taken number. They just kind of accept it. If you're me and you have like hundreds or thousands of people that you know who are deep into the business of social media, you could probably figure it out. But for the average person, they might just be like, oh, fuck the shit, gone. I'm over it.

It goes down to the simple. People don't fucking read. Yeah, that too. They probably don't get to the bottom of the email where it says appeal here. A lot of people when they get the notification saying that their accounts deleted on Instagram, like you would ask, what did the notification say? I don't know. I just clicked, okay.

I'm like, well, you got to like screenshot those fucking messages. Those messages are important. Yeah, I tell that to people all the time. And it's like back in the day, what was cool is a couple years ago is you would get an email from Instagram. And the email would show like what the band reason was the date, time. Now you have none of that. You know, you have none of that. And I tell people all the time, I'm like, even if you don't remember the reason, it's just like I can find the reason always myself.

You know, it's obviously it's our job. But it's a lot, a lot better and much, much more beneficial if you take that screenshot. You know, there's something that's how your friends always for sure. Are there people you respect in this field? Like, like people that have access to abilities to do things on Instagram that you don't know how to do, that you look at and you're like, damn, like, that guy, he's got the keys to this fucking platform. In terms of, in terms of being able to do what? When it comes to, like, account recovery, it's not like I've dealt with it directly, but I have heard some girls talk about it over the years and, like, describing things that different people have done on their behalf. have to get their accounts back and shit.

And I'm just like, wow, that sounds insane. Or maybe it was the exact kind of stuff that you do. I don't know. If you asked me that question like a year ago, I would be like so happy to give like so many different people credit that were like working with me at the time or doing stuff with me. But to be honest with you, bro, simply, I ran all these motherfuckers over and there's nobody else that's able to do anywhere close to what we fucking do. How do you run them over?

It's, there's many ways. You know, it's like anything. else like if you think about it this way like people come to us and they pay us to take people out right right so if i'm doing it for my own personal gain i'm obviously going to go as hard as i can fucking go so it's like those same people that that maybe would have been competing with us or maybe helped us or how we would look up to for stuff like that it's like again it's just we they got ran over it's very simple it's like nobody else you can sell the same thing i sell you can do the same thing I do you could sell for cheaper people are going to come to me and they're going to pay more

for a multitude of reasons the track the track record the way that we do business the speed the who you're doing business with you know and it's not just that the way that we we took what we do and we don't just like have just the services we're teaching people daily to do the same exact thing that I do like bro six years ago I started this page living in my car while I was sleeping in my car I used to go and I used to park in a hospital parking garage. Or sometimes I would go and park at the airport. Because it would be like the airport I would prefer because it was like 30 bucks a night. You know,

it'd like to park overnight. But if I couldn't pay that, I would just park at the hospital parking garage. And I parked there overnight. And then next morning I would go work out my construction job. Do what I need to do. That's crazy that it's that hard to find a fucking parking lot to sleep in. And people don't understand.

Because you want to be in a safe place. Oh, it's safe. Yeah. The only thing, the only reason for me, I didn't give a fuck. It could be, I could have slept anywhere.

but the only reason for me is because I had my tools. You know what I mean at the time is I was like, fuck bro, I don't want to like while I'm asleep. Like, and I was like, I'm a little bigger now at the time. I was like probably like 140 pounds soaking wet. I was like if I wake up in the middle of the night and somebody's breaking into my fucking truck taking my tools,

I'm not going to get out and fight them. Very simple. Like I'm, you know, and I said that would be a huge L for me at the time. That was like my whole net worth was my fucking tools. You know, so at that,

that's what I'm telling you. I try to explain to everybody like anybody. anybody can make money on social media and not even what I'm doing. There's a multitude of ways that some of my richest clients that I have also are faceless social media accounts. You know personally these media accounts, stuff like that, like the people that are behind all these like major meme accounts that we see getting reposted daily, these are very, very wealthy people and people don't even realize. You know, they don't know who the owners are.

We know, but it's like, again, this is what I try to really, really like show people and help them understand that why we're so much different than just somebody that's like, that's there providing those services. Like we're providing those services, but we're also like, I'm constantly every day I have a different person that's like learning and doing the same thing that I did for me. Like I swear that is so much more fulfilling.

Like I made my first million dollars on that app without ever showing my face. And I didn't want to show my face just because I didn't want to like, I didn't have my teeth done. That's the only reason. I was like, I'm gonna wait until I do my teeth and then I'll show my face. Is there part of you that's worried about?

I had like horrible teeth before. Are you worried about Facebook's possible? retribution here that they could like take a particular interest you and potentially like shut yeah you know the thing the thing is this is if they wanted to it's like people ask me this all the time it's one people are going to know me use me regardless because our motion is on telegram and my number whatever those I get more calls to my cell phone and to my telegram than I would ever get to my Instagram Instagram is just new people right plus I don't post about it on Instagram there like that you know it's like it's very it'd be very hard

for you to prove it either one way or the other and it's like if if they wanted to go that route go for it you know the the reason I will really really wanted to do the interview to and I knew I was like that could be like a good part like a good chance that could like it's like I could fuck me me doing this interview but I was like I wanted people to really understand this like I see all these interviews of like people talking about the band on band game and these are like my customers these are my people like coming to and I was like I really want people to understand like what's going on and like and see really what that industry is nobody's talked about it

Ever. No one's ever done an interview about it. People talk about it every fucking time when it's the number one social media like influencer podcast Comes up at some point. I got banned. I lost my account. I got hacked. Right. Yeah. Yeah, and I was like I was like fuck it. You know, this so you know, it's like it's for me for me. For me, if they want to come and they want to You know take my account over it. This is not it. It's you can't like at this point. You can't take somebody out like me. It's like it's like cockroaches. Our mentorship group alone has 280 students in it. Really that each paid $7,500 just to resell my services and when they're reselling my services They're still paying me for my that same service do you see what I'm getting at well? You know you have you have another another list of accounts like I explained to you earlier that I don't have to make a single sale they're paying just to be on the platform I mean you guys can kill me you know like that's that's your only option right

You take the Instagram you take all that you still have to pay to be on the app You're still paying me I mean hey and say See what happens. Very simple. It's just crazy that it's still the wow, wow, West of social media because I'm somebody who was lucky in it. Somebody said it's the internet cartel. I don't want to ever call it that, but I think it's pretty fucking sick.

I grew up all through the late 90s being on AOL and we could do all kinds of cool shit, like, you know, making fake AOL accounts and getting people punted off of AOL instant messenger and all this kind of cool shit that we thought we were badass. I remember the early days of doing wares on social media or on AOL and getting like, you know, downloading video games and MPU. threes back in the 90s. You remember kicking off people out of like out of call of duty lobbies on like Xbox 360 shit like that you remember but I've heard but you didn't but you remember like the J tag

shit like that I remember back to those days and then it just it made me like when I got back into this I was like god damn it's like that's so crazy it's like into those same some of those same guys I used to talk to back in the back in the Xbox days are the same guys that are doing that are behind the social media shit today right bro the the guy that power like the two main, main reps that power, the whole thing that we have going on for team unlocked, I'm telling you if you saw them, you would never believe it.

Never believe. Multimillionaires. You'd never fucking, you'd never guess that it's them, you know, like, at all. And it's crazy.

That's why I try to tell people, it's, you know, anyone can, you've watched how many people yourself come on social media and kill it. And kill it. And it's,

there's so, I see so many people, I feel like now that they don't want to get on social media because they don't want to show their face. don't do that there's do there's everyone on social media needs something there's there's so many types of services that you can sell there's so many different different types of like different types of avenues you can pursue to make money for me like I also have like a lot of jewelers that come to us how many jewelers have you heard of that got their

account banned is that a big thing you jewelers banning jewelers for us WhatsApp is the biggest thing really what's app telegram if you want to talk about what's the jewelers have WhatsApp chats or something the jewelers and watch dealers that's how they operate is WhatsApp. Really? One million percent. I got WhatsApp about three days ago to talk to a hair replacement. I don't.

I have your number. Yeah. Well, I just got it. I just got it. I've never had it before. Well, you could lose it. It's just as fast. Don't use WhatsApp.

Really? Again, another good interview you guys can go and watch and learn about is, I hate to keep bringing up Joe Rogan, but again, Joe Rogan did one with Gavin DeBecker. This is one of the biggest, biggest, biggest security companies in the world that does private security for billionaires and their companies, et cetera, like real, real security, like as in like secret service type of shit. And the way that, if you remember back in the day when Jeff Bezos had his divorce, right, the way that the divorce happened was they got into his phone through WhatsApp.

And this program that they used back then six years ago, now it's available to all of us. You go buy it on the dark web for $70,000. All I have to do is send you a WhatsApp photo. You don't have to open it, click it, nothing. And I'm in your phone. Really? Every keystroke. If you ever confirmed your crypto wallet and typed in,

you know, you have to type in each word to confirm the entire wallet. Yeah. Those keystrokes are all logged. And then we just, we run another software on top of it to go and decipher those words and look for a consecutive 24, 21, 18, whatever amount of words. It goes, it finds it, spits it back to us. We go, take the wallet and drain it. Jesus Christ.

Multiple times. It's like the modern mafia. I've heard this many times. And this is why it's like, I'm, I never ever thought that it would be like people number one thing I get asked people think like I'm a drug dealer This is the way we move we we go around it's like I get that all the time You know it's like it's like it's not cheap people need to realize it's like it's another thing that I when I say I'm like you can't really replicate this It's like dude I'm paying 20 30 grand a month just in security alone

You know the money's there you know to pay for it and to cover it but it's not this is not something that it's like you you you wake up into like this shit snowball into something I never could imagine. All I wanted to do originally when I started this was sell a couple unbans on the side, you know what I mean, make a couple thousand dollars here and there. That's it. And it turned into something I never, never imagined.

And then obviously, like, you meet better people, you meet this, that, you know, and then for me, like a huge, huge moment was like, obviously, I asked myself, I'm like, I'm dealing with these, quote-unquote, hackers, banners, whatever. I'm like where all the are where are these motherfuckers? So I flew to India, you know, and I flew to India and I went to those hacker cafes myself

I'm not Indian and I don't speak the language nothing. You just randomly go to these hacker cafes? I took one of I took somebody with me that speaks that speaks the language obviously and I went there and I went to meet the guy that obviously that I was already dealing with, you know, because he told me he's like I can introduce you to other people there this that and that and that trip alone just the amount of contacts I got that people that I got to use from that trip. And obviously, like, when I went there, everybody there is just like, it made me realize, like, really how that game is. I went there.

I think I'm going to meet, like, Adam 22. I get there. They're all fucking, like, 15-year-olds and 13-year-olds. I would be scared to go to an Indian hacker cafe. It just sounds like something bad could happen. Imagine sending $60,000 to $70,000 a month in Bitcoin to India for just for, like, your server rooms and for the people you have there. But I have, like, that's what I also try to explain to people is, like, you. People need to realize very quick

Like when they say job security is fucked in America it is like you can get I hate to say I'm not trying to scare your staff but you could get probably half of your staff to like Be replaced just by Indian virtual workers I'm not I'm not joking I read the four hour work day back in the day and they were about and they work longer and harder I swear to God that mother the business manager the motherfucker Travis I threaten him with it all the time That's a that's a hard thing to have hanging You got to keep them around, bro. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, to keep them around. There's certain things that you just need real-life employees. I know. Shout out, shout out, Travis, man. You know, that's one of the biggest, biggest, biggest, like, biggest moves I feel like I made 2023, 2024. It was right at the end was having him come in and really, like, take over everything so I could focus on what I was doing.

I didn't even, like, realize how much I grew. You know, like, do I spend a year? The last year was the busiest year of my life. Every single sale, imagine I took it through DMs. Through, you know what I mean? Through just one by one, no payment processor, no, like, website to go to, nothing. But now they have a website to go to, Unlockforlife.com with the number four, you know, and they can go and they can do whatever they want to do on there and see what's available.

But before, like, he told me I was nuts, you know, like if we can bleep, I'll tell you. But if we can bleep the dollar amount, you know, I did,000, 2020. Jeez. With screenshots. All through Zell, Kasha. crypto not one credit card and every day I have people that want to pay you know a lot of people like I've probably lost a million in sales just in people that want to use a credit card you know because they feel more safe they can dispute it whatever and

people ask I say no they're like I'm not selling you cash out you know what I mean I had that for a long time and that was a big a big reason why I set up the the site that way people now can go on there and everything gets filled instantly they go they click one thing you know and everything that they have on there gets gets filled in so when you inevitably make like a million as a result of this interview from all the people that are going to tap in with you you're going to come drop that bag off

on me, right? I'm going to bring you on a lock chain. That's the first thing. You'll see them on my page, the ones that I made on make you a big one like mine first. I don't wear jewelry. That'd be first thing. But like, I don't think you want me to say a dollar amount or a bag amount because of the IRS.

Yeah, don't tell them. Yeah, yeah, but one cash would be great. 100% you have my work. We'll leave it at the casino. Yeah, no. Like, bro, you have to think, like, for me, I was saying that to your team when I walked and how like surreal it is for me to come in like into this place, especially when you're like when you're so,

the reason I also feel like I did so well is because I was so into the culture. I was just a normal person, right? I'm into, you know, the regular life culture or whatever. And it's like you grow up watching like no jumper. Remember this is back like when you first started out to when you like you were getting big drama alert was big back then like all these different, all these different channels. I'll never forget like all the like seeing all that and then to now.

And then me walking in here, I'm telling you, it's the craziest. Like, I never, I didn't get nervous. Like, everyone asked me, like, you nervous? I was like, whatever he asked me, he's gonna ask me. Well, I'll talk to him. I was like, I feel like it's a conversation. And the second I walked into the door,

you know, like, I saw this, I was like, holy shit, like we're here. You know what I mean? That was like the biggest thing for me. It's like, it's so surreal. Like, I really, really try to explain to people how easy it, like you said, the money I'll make after the interview is one thing.

but really, really think about what I did before, with no interviews, no promos, no nothing, just word of mouth, local trap community, which you know better than anybody in the underground world, that's the hardest thing to come up in. The hardest thing to come up in and build trust and have a good name, a good track record, you know what I mean? Like that, for me, like, I value that more than anything.

There's been multiple times people have paid me and we couldn't, like, obviously, maybe it was a page that, for whatever reason we couldn't get it back. It's just, it's too long gone. We refund them. We give them the money back. There's been, there was times also, it's so crazy how like the world works. It's like, the one time I had to refund someone was like when I was like low on like liquid cash and it's like, I was like, fuck, bro, this $5,000 refund like sucks right now.

Because it's like they paid two weeks ago. The sale in your head is done. You know what I mean? I'm refunding now. And like those little things that I've done have like have been the things that are like perpetuated me to now. I feel like. And I wouldn't change any of them, man. It's like it's so crazy also when I sit there and I look back on the last year

I sit and I see like at the beginning of the year versus now just the way people like come to DM me before people come. They're like sit there, ask me like a million questions now people come. They're like scared to DM me. They people more times than not DM me from a page with zero followers, zero picture zero everything because they're scared. Like if I get upset, I'm going to like ban the pages that they're DM me from. That seems reasonable. Yeah, it's insane. Like, the way that things have turned out for me in that last year has been crazy, crazy.

Definitely crazy. Well, this is definitely a comment section that I'm very, very excited to listen to. I told him I'm not going to read them. Really? I don't think I want to read it. I love reading the comments. No, that's good. I'm not really worried about what the comments are going to say about me so much as I'm just wondering what the comments are going to think of you in this whole business model.

I just want to know what the fuck the fans are going to have to say about it. Look, I'll tell you like this. You'll have a very. very like I feel like you have a very simple narrative as far as people's reactions is like I feel like even though the shock factor is so high of what we talked about and what we brought up and mind you guys I didn't even give you 10% of some of the craziest stories maybe we'll run it back and I'll give you like even more crazy ones of this one does well but there's there's so so many things that are that are in this game and I feel like because it's the first of its kind it's going to be hard to hate somebody like me if anything you guys should be thinking me and telling it like for telling you and explaining to you like how this shit works you know it's like it's very very simple like all this like that again I'll say it this Instagram ban un-ban all this shit that they have going on if they wanted to fix it they would fix it who knows maybe this interview goes retarding the end of fucking fixing it and I'm

out of business if it does so be it you know but again these are the things that I like I've always told people all the time I feel like that they leave this industry for a reason There's no fucking way that I went and made the amount of money that I made for the last couple years on Instagram and did what I did and bro I publicly post it like I I stroke you like I'm literally made people send me apology videos You know what I mean? It's like there's I feel like there's no way not one person that Instagram knows what's going on or has seen what's going on I just feel like you know for them for them what the fuck do they care? I unbanded your account that that You're using to trap on and you're paying $30,000 a month to Instagram for ads These guys go and they go on Instagram, they put the ads to a thousand bucks for 30 days.

You know how they are. You know better than anybody. Like these guys have a lot of money to spend. They don't give a fuck, you know? So it's like, what the, like I'm, this is what I tell people. Maybe I'm wrong. I could be completely wrong and they don't care about the money at all. And they do want to clean up their thing.

But if you remember, if we want to go there, the whole, I'm not going to say the name, but the whole thing, if you remember almost a year ago, the whole big thing that came out about verification, the guy that was selling verifications, basically. Remember people who did stories about it? Who was it? I forget. Adam Quinn. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so when that happened, conveniently three months later,

Meta Verifide comes out. Yeah, right. So, again. They realized that a lot of people were making money selling verifications. They were like, I wouldn't be surprised. Well, they were also observing Twitter. I wouldn't be surprised. They take out unlocked and Instagram launches their own service that goes,

you want to delete this guy's account? Imagine that was a section Like Yeah No, I'm telling you Who knows But look I'll put it this way

I'm not trying to say That they need the money That bad But it's kind of fucking Convenient that the day they dropped It was all over the news They made $600 million Well they have no customer service

And then you basically just have to pay For basic customer service That poor schmuck could have worked For the next fucking hundred years He's not going to make $600 million on verifications You see what I'm getting at? Like he could have worked for

the rest of his life, he's not going to make that kind of money. What happened to him? Again, he's still working. Doing his thing. Still working. Still working. You take the page. You take the page all you want.

These guys still have their clients. Yeah. They still have clients. You know what I mean? It's not like I'm fucking God and I'm just going to have every client in the world. No, there's multiple people that do that. There's a lot of people that are more so underground and they want to keep it that way for multiple reasons.

I just can't wait until I even post it on my story that we just did this interview because I know that there's going to be mad people, the M&MME being. Like what the fuck like I hate that piece of shit or I fucking that guy saved my life or whatever. I just can't wait to see what reaction I get from this. Yeah, no, I You won't get a lot of the hate. Oh, okay. I really I really don't because also you have to keep in mind anybody that ever tried to say they hate me isn't on Instagram anymore. None of my high school teachers by the way have been on this app for the last two years. Really? I'm very petty Yeah, so put it that way. And if somebody does send you a hate comment, send me the screenshot, please. Oh, okay. Deal. That's a good idea. If you're brave, send them to hate comments. A bunch of DMs just got unsigned right there, probably. All right, man.

I'm very excited to see the fallout from this. Let's definitely run it back if we feel like we need to. But, yeah, it was good meeting you. I got more for you. But yeah, like my real with you. I respect the hustle, even though I can't necessarily justify it on a moral level. At the end of the day, love or hate the hustle, you can't knock the fact that I found something that's completely unique.

I found something that was needed by everybody. I capitalized on it and I made money. That's the American. American dream. I was homeless a couple years ago and I went from that to having millions of dollars for myself and having a great life. The same parking garage that I used to park my car in is the same parking garage that I drove my newborn baby out of three months ago in my Rolls Royce. So life is very, very, very, very, very crazy. And all I'm trying, like I will leave it with this message, bro, is anything is possible on that app. Whether you're doing what I'm doing, whether you're doing what you're doing, look at what social media did for your life, for my life. You know, I mean at the end of the day, like, I would rather this interview more so be, that's, you know, for social media and this and that. Like, that's what I'll highlight. Meta, Facebook, I don't know what, no smoke with y'all.

I love y'all. Yeah, like. Same. Yeah. But also, take the flags off my account because that's just annoying. We'll talk about that. Okay, I'll send you the screen show so you can check it out. That's easy.

That's easy. Don't get mad at us for fixing that. All right. Appreciate you so much, man. Likewise. No jumper. Coolest podcast on world. Check us out on YouTube, TikTok, Patreon, Instagram, etc.

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