No Jumper - Xanman on His Xanax Horror Stories, If He Fell Off, Underground Rap in 2026 & More

Episode Date: June 15, 2026

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free of charge. BetMGEMGEMP operates pursuant to an operating agreement with Eye Gaming, Ontario. First came on the scene and my boy Eli from ABG, he basically was the one hyping you up to me being like, bro, you got to get this interview right now. And I remember that I think your flight got pushed back or something. So when you came to the interview, it ended up being like really late at night.

Like we stayed like way later. We was like here to like two in the morning. Yeah. And that was crazy. And then he actually signed you, which he was so geeked on at the time. Like I think he was still like really trying to earn. his stripes as an A&R at that time.

I mean, he did good, though. Yeah. He did well, bro. He's got a lot of. Shout out of Eli. I mean, the A&Rs love to be anonymous. But, like, he's done big things, you know? He's one of them ones.

For sure. Everybody loves Eli. But, yeah, so that was, like, this crazy, like, come up around that time. And then, I guess, like, from your perspective, do you feel like you got what you wanted from the label during those early days? or where did you feel like your career kind of went from there? I can't lie. Because I didn't know the business,

I didn't feel that I was getting everything from them. But since I know the business, I was getting everything from APG. You know what I'm saying? Usually when the artists don't know the knowledge, it's most of the time they fought, bro. When the artists are complaining about labels, it's some shit that they're doing.

Right. You know what you signed up for. You know, you got to recoup this shit over. You know, once you sign the dotted line and you got a million dollars, you automatically a million negative. Like people be thinking, oh, it's starting when you use the budget. Like I used to think, but no, no.

I mean, I see that reaction all the time where, like, artist signs gets the advance. And then all of a sudden they realize that they're not getting all of their royalties off of streaming anymore. And they're just baffled or angry or threatening the label. And it's kind of like, no, that the advance is being paid back through your streaming revenue now. And it is kind of while that people sign contracts

and then figured that up. Yeah. Yeah, I can't. Like, even with taxes and shit like that, like, labels don't tell you nothing, bro. But now that I know the business, being in the deal, anybody who signed a deal, you got to wiggle your way out of it because you start a negative.

So the money that you get, use it to invest into your music. Don't be a dumb ass trying, you know what I'm saying? Like, go here or go there. Like, or spend this here, spend that. that did like good thing that I got all of the chains and jewelry and did all of that shit back then so now when I get my money is focus on the music year my upgrade the whip a little bit you know what I'm saying do something chill like but I'm not spending more than a 10 or 20 out of my advance or anything done. Damn so you you got a big ass advance at that time you really got a million no nope I got like 750 still that's pretty far yeah yeah I got 750 so It was like the 350 up front and the 350, you know what I'm saying, the other half. So I completed all of that shit, though.

But did you, okay, but so you're still signed APG? No, no, no, no, no, no. You're not? Oh, because the reason why we're even doing this interview is because I sell you at like an APG, I think 10-year anniversary. Right. I'm still with APG for Pub. Okay.

I'm saying? And plus I got a close relationship with the whole team because I didn't have no representation or no manager at the time. So I had to talk to all of these guys myself. I'm on the email thread learning, like, about the numbers and all of that shit. So I had a close relationship with Dan NIA, all of the A&Rs I locked in with. For sure. Do you think you would ever sign to a label again?

It's like, yeah, no, because if it makes sense, because you got to think about it like this. The money that I'm making now, I'm not stagnant. You know what I'm saying? I'm well, you feel, me? I'm good. So it's just like, if it makes sense, because now what they're doing? the labels what they want to do right they want leverage if they especially if they making oh a 500 000 investment they want to be making money immediately before you even drop the album so i got

catalog for leverage i got what like 30 singles four albums you know i'm saying that's return that i'm getting you feel me every first in a month first and the 15th so but besides that though yeah yeah because i'm like trying to think of like what the circumstances would have to be for me to like really tell a young artist to sign to a label. And it's kind of weird because it's like you, you haven't been through that process, you having been through that process, it's kind of like,

you know, you get to see what having that marketing muscle, that streaming, playlisting, algorithmic support looks like. And I'm sure it's not nothing. You know, it's like it's definitely something.

Right. But is it enough to justify taking on a deal that realistically, makes it so that, you know, things are not so great. Not the brag or both, right, but the money that I'm getting right now off of streaming, they would have to give me the type of money that I wouldn't even be thinking about my monthly money. You feel me?

Like, it would have to be, the advance is good, but also I don't think about the money or the advance. It's about what the label can do as well, because a lot of people assign you because they see you had and doing the numbers. but who wouldn't jump in a situation when it's good. You know what I'm saying? So you got to find a team who will be there for you or still push you or still put you on a blog like a...

All of the blogs and a DSP pitching a playlist and bro, they'll shelf you too, bro. You know what I'm saying? But again, it's most of the time the art is fought. Did you feel like they shelved you? No, no, no. Or do you feel like they stayed pretty consistent? No, no, no.

I'm not going... I can't blame nothing on the label, bro. Because I made every bad move myself for me not to be here right now. And I had to kick every door down in this shit. So I didn't have no shortcut, bro. I didn't have no shortcut at all. But did you feel like they really participated in artist development with you, like that they actually did things for you in your career

that you would not have been able to have ever done yourself, like especially during those early years? Because like they're supposed to put you with dope producers. They're supposed to put you with songwriters. Did that. Okay. Okay, so I never used a songwriter. They never put me with a songwriter,

but I know my man Derek Milano, you know what I'm saying? So he's a writer at APG, locked in with him, connecting me with Earl on the beat, you know what I'm saying, connecting me with no cap, Cuando Rondo, YB, you feel me? So it's like, yeah, facts. Like all of that shit, I feel like that they did do their thing, but it was me. I didn't know the business.

So if I would have known, I don't know. And then you gotta get a lawyer too, bro. Yeah. Get your lawyers too because... Did you use a lawyer that they gave you? Because that's what I do with AG. No, fuck, no. They recommended a lawyer and I was like, oh, this guy seems sick.

And in retrospect, like, oh, he definitely was not trying that hard. I'm so glad that I had somebody on the outside, bro, for this shit because... That's good, yeah. That's like going to a murder trial with a public defender. Yeah. No, it's worse. It's like you're going there with a lawyer who was hired by the murderer or by the family. No, for real.

Like, that's crazy. So you got to watch up for your lawyer too. But to answer your question, no, no. I don't feel like that I was, um, show if I feel like everything, every band move that I made was on me. Um, from signing so many deals in the past and my catalog was spread out. So when other people came to me for deals, they couldn't find shit. I'm like, oh, shit, this is what foundation. This is what Warner.

This is what APG. This is what hitmaker. You know what I'm saying? This is what one. 1 RPM with the, you know what I'm saying? So I had so much going on and that's because back then even when I never been up or never like seeing a drought, but people don't know me for having money when I, when anybody that was first introduced to me seeing me as an artist first.

You know what I'm saying? So that's what they know me as and the music started to sound different. Like it wasn't structured, you know, so I got the representation that I got to you. now bro i never connected you with no manager i dm you or text you myself yeah yeah fact so i don't be with that shit though but after that i was independent and then um i was at rolling loud 2021 okay or 20 yeah 20 or yeah okay like i was yeah i um had my own setting or anything so then i sign sign uh you know what i'm saying tsf.sf. Yeah.

With sauce. Yeah, with sauce. How did that connect shabmin? I had no idea. A lot. You know what I'm saying? That's so interesting. Yeah, bro.

Yeah. Real man, he's the one that helped to teach me in the business how to really make money in the music besides the streams. Really? So, yeah. Like what kind of stuff besides streams? Features? Nah, no, no, no. Like, I've been doing the features before him.

Uh-huh. But. But just shit outside the streams where you can take the streams and told me about the publishing. Oh, okay. You know what I know too much about the publishing. Like, I didn't know it was sound exchange and all of the other shit. But that's what my manager, Perez taught me, who, you know what I'm saying, represent me now. But, yeah, definitely, though, what's all the child to walk.

But so you were working with him and then how far did that relationship go? Or did it end at a certain point? No, I never ended though. I talked to walk yesterday, you know what I'm saying? It's just everything don't need to be front line for a nigga to know. No, he not involved in my, you know what I'm saying, career anymore. But if I tell him, hey, bro, throw this up. It's without a question.

Support without a question. You know what I'm saying? So I can't say nothing bad about the guy. I feel like I never seen him really sign anybody who wasn't from like Texas or maybe like Memphis or I don't know. I mean, I think of Maryland as like. East Coast. Yeah. I don't know if I ever thought about him

signing an East Coast rapper. You feel like you were the first one? At least that I know of. I feel like I was the first one from my area. You know what I'm saying? And you just have a way different style and vibe. Yeah. A lot of his artists kind of rap like him, right?

I mean, nah. It's something different. That family of rap, whereas you're kind of in your own lane. Yeah, that's true. I can't lie that. I can't say that I didn't stick out, but it's not like somebody who can't rap like a, you know what I'm saying, like a peso, peso, too. You know what I'm saying?

He don't sound like walk. He don't use the same mistake. We ain't going to do that on songs, though. Not even dissing him. I'm just saying, like, you know, I feel like I've never really seen him assign somebody that would be like as outside of his usual category. Yeah, like a lot of videos from 2022, like, 2023 moving on up. Like, I was with him and a lot of my videos and shit like that, though. But yeah, that's my dog.

You're a solid one. Definitely. So do you feel like that opened you up more to, like, a different audience and shit? Yeah, it definitely gave me a different fan base, too. When I took it out my bio, the niggas thought that shit split up, you know what I'm saying? So, but no, it's not. Still, still strong, still a, you know what I'm saying, family and everything. Right.

Real nigger. That's interesting. But did you ever, like, formally announced? Was there, like, an Instagram video announcing that you signed with him? Yeah, I went into Johnny Dang with him. and, you know what I'm saying, cashed out. He got me a cardi and I got a ring. You know what I'm saying?

I got some little slight shit too. And he got me a cardie and he announced it. You know what I'm saying? It's a while ago. But yeah, he announced it. Interesting. That's what's what's up? But, okay, what made you want to sign on them?

Like, what do you think that he would be potentially bringing to the operation at that time? It was no advance involved or nothing like that. It was just locking in. They just showing me that he. He is a, you know what I'm saying, a real stand-up guy. Like, I can't say nothing for all about him, bro, honestly. So what made me want to sign with bro, it wasn't no advance involved, but it was paperwork involved.

So he gave me a light in the image, and even when it came to popping it, I never seen, you know what I'm saying? I got money, been to steakhouses, do all of that other shit, but it's just like on the level that that is, you know what I'm saying, seeing the count 500,000 in Louie. You know what I'm saying? Like shit like that, I'm like, damn, it's like levels to this shit. But that didn't make me like sign to a person now. It's just because what we had going on musically,

and he bought something to the table for me musically. If I'm technically speaking, damn near, besides my old manager, Keek, Miss Megan was damn near my first manager that started to learn this shit from. Yeah, because she helped out a lot. I feel like that's kind of the decision for a lot of rappers. like when they're first getting in the game is to like sign with a regular label or sign with a rapper and they both have the pose and cons where like the labels probably got more of a serious infrastructure in place they're kind of ready to take on like a lot of the duties that you kind of have to do on your own

whereas then like signing with the rapper is a huge cosign you know like every rapper was ever signed to Gucci even if it didn't work out and they were on their own a year later is like you always will just put them in this category with Gucci and think of that Gucci cosign as validating them and you And, you know, there's something to be said for that. But then a lot of rappers, like younger rappers now are very unimpressed by the idea of signing to a rapper. You know, like, I've had rappers talk to me about turning down future that I'm kind of looking at them like, who the fuck do you think you are turning down future?

But they got it in their head that it's kind of not a good idea to sign to a artist. And they might be right, you know, because realistically a lot of artists are really focused on themselves. But it's a difference I feel between, like. signing to a artist and signing with an artist. You know what I'm saying? I became a pot rather than, you know what I'm saying? It's my artist in every room that he went in for the people who didn't know me.

He, you know what I'm saying, say my name, you feel, me introduce me to a lot of people that had, you know, business ventures, all type of shit, you know, people that I can invest with in the future. And Brett told me independence, you feel me, how important independence was. Like, that's the start, that was the start of it. That is like the tip of the iceberg for real, like the beginning of that shit. For sure. Yeah, I mean, okay, I feel like the weird thing about you is that your name is Zanman.

And I know you've like had plenty of experience with drugs. But I think people like kind of almost expected you to be like crashing out, doing some crazy X-oriented shit. I don't really feel like I ever seen that side of you. Yeah. I've never seen you plastered online. Nah, right. Because I always kept my circle small. So the stuff that I put out to the internet, I control.

You know what I'm saying? Screenshot bitches, you know what I'm saying? Niggers bluffing in the DM like who got my number, you know, like, shit like that. I never paid attention to the, I never paid attention to the antics, bro. Honestly. But when I was doing drugs, it was a couple of people that got me online, but it never went viral. because I'm so in tune that I can catch it before and that's not an image that I wanted to put out

just because I got the name I wanted them to see the you know what I'm saying, the music behind this shit so but it was obvious bro you feel me I used to be tripping out for real so it was obvious gang like I ain't I never been placid online for no for no drug shit though nah right but

I used to do it in the open I didn't give it I go live and and then do a line off the table. Oh, shit. You know what I'm saying? I ain't give a fuck. I go online. I ain't never have no heavy whippet phase or nothing there,

but Zanz, I, you know what I'm saying, fall asleep, fall on my ass. You know what I'm saying, middle of a video shoot. So it's stuff like that going on, like, but I never glorified. That's why it wasn't placid online. Because even if I made that shit of me, it wasn't, no. Yeah, so I'm like Zans are a nasty habit, huh? Bro, what?

It was definitely a Zandemic, bro. Yeah, back in the day, man. You kind of came towards the end of it. I feel like by the time COVID really got going, it's not like people stopped doing Zanz, but I feel like people stopped talking about it and stopped flexing it. There was a time period in, like,

2017 where you would put on a random Migo song or a random Nav song, and the adlives would be like, Picky Zanzah. Like everybody was acting like it was just the most fun way to live your life. And it's like, for real.

This is very short-sighted. But I can't lie. I ain't like a Zan face, but really turned it up for real. Like, when I sip it heavy, I sip and heavy. But I use it as like an occasional thing now. So I am clean. So celebration went up. Niggas put their champagne glass in there.

I'm like, pour up a deuce, you know what I'm saying? So, but I keep it playing. about it though I don't be yeah just going up is when there's a Zandemic though I'm I'm going up off a bar between bars person I'm up 120 on a normal day mm-hmm you're up 120 yeah like between like pills like 30 milligram 30 milligram right bar 5 you feel me by 2.5 you know I'm saying like yes like I feel like if I did that I would just like sleep all day.

I'll just be in the crib. Yeah, and the feeling euphoric, but I don't, I'm not going to go back. Yeah. It ain't, that ain't me, you know what I'm saying? Like, yeah, that ain't me, bro. I ain't going to go back. But when I hear people talk about doing Zanz,

it sounds really good. And then I, like, just think about the whole experience. Yeah, but I think about, like, how it feels, you know, the next day or like when you aren't on it anymore and you feel like more anxious. You don't remember. And then just forgetting. You don't remember and then you want to do it again. Straight up. I had days where I'd be like out trying to fuck girls and I wake up in the morning and like be looking at my text and like trying to figure out what girl I was trying to fucking feeling hell embarrassed and like slowly putting together the pieces of the puzzle and feeling

like so stupid that I was like on this crazy mission and I ended up in some studio and I don't even remember and some girl I got text from some girl and she's saying like you know like that something that like basically alludes to like oh you're trying to make out with me in the bathroom and I'm just like what the I don't remember any of that. I had moments bro I had moments like people was like oh yeah um niggas wouldn't even believe if I told them the story because Because eyes off of Zan, the only thing I remember is my man Doe. And he was waking up off of Zan, and I was just taking one. It was just kicking and just getting high.

And he had the ARP. And I'm like, man, you ain't high for real. You ain't back. You still sleep, nigger. And he's like, man, put the bottle on top of your head, and I shoot it off with the A.R. And we inside the hotel. My cousin walked in just in time, bro. And the only way you have to explain this is just...

That's the only thing I remember, though. That y'all were just so f*** up that you didn't understand why this was a terrible idea. I'm just telling him, I'm like, man, you ain't high for real niggil. Like, you still sleep. You still sleep. You ain't up like me. I'm ready to get down. Go to the studio.

And it's like, and Bridges little pots. You know what I'm saying? It's like shed in my mind. Like, my memory f***ed up off that, John. But, yeah. I definitely seen that shit, though. And he put the, I put the bottle on top of my head. I remember it's a Gatorade bottle.

And when my cousin told me in the morning, I told him I never drink Gatorade again. I haven't had a Gatorade since, like, since then. Probably Xanax is what you should have swore off. Yeah. Gatorade. I cut off Gatorade and took another Zane. Not for real.

But was that, like, close to the end of when you decided that you needed to fall back? Or did you just kind of like, Or did other things have to happen before you decided, like, you know what, this ain't how I want to live? No, other things happen. I put the, yeah, a lot of bullshit happened, bro. It's, you know what I'm saying? Stuff that I can't even say. But, yeah, bro, a lot of stuff happened.

Transpired for me to be like, hey, I got to turn around where this shit going to really go left. I can lose it all. Yeah. One thing I never did was let the people see me sweat. even during those times nigga I'd be on one knee and this shit here high and it ain't never have nothing

to do again with money talking about because you know this shit gang money don't bring happiness like it helps though no it don't check this out right

this one I'm gonna tell you boom what's one of your favorite cause or if you even if you have your favorite or if you want to or if you have a dream coffee you don't have it all right yeah i don't like know anything about course all right so you have a all right that name you have a item that you love a lot you have an item that you love a lot and your wife or your girl throw your day off like

you pissed right you buy your favorite lovable item and don't take that away only thing that money does is make materialistic shit free that's the only feeling that it give you right make materialistic I don't got to look at my card when I go into this place. Bills paid every month. You know what I'm saying? Like a bill don't even exist in our mind. It's like it's man time. It's a part of life.

It's in a cycle now. But that's why I feel like money makes me happy is because the idea of having like bills is extremely stressful to me. Like if I feel like I have any kind of problem paying it. But if I have money enough to the point where I feel like, yo, I'm good, I could not do anything for a few years and I'll be all right. Like to me, that is such a freeing feeling. Like money is the difference between the feeling of I can go on vacation right now

and the feeling of I'm never going to be able to go on vacation. I think a lot of people are separated. People are separated from how depressing the idea of not being able to take a little time off is. Right. But I also don't feel like I can take a little time off. But that's what I'm saying. I say that the money is the tip of the iceberg. You feel me?

It's like if everything else go wrong, that's the last resort that you want to think about. That, you know what I'm saying? That's the last shit that you're going to think about. It ain't going to be no, this went wrong, this went wrong, this went wrong, this one wrong. All of those things still building up. But she was like, but if everything else go left, I still got this. I don't have to worry about this worse come to worse. But you got to go through the worst come to worse for it to be that last thing that you rely on.

Right. So that's why I say money don't bring happiness. Okay, I'll give you an example of how money brings happiness. You catch a charge. And you can't say that. You can't as jail. No, but two options. The worst, most upsetting thing you could possibly,

situation you could possibly be in is probably being in jail. And if you have like a situation where like we all know people who beat cases because they just had money to get a good lawyer, if it's a million dollars for the lawyer that makes it so you don't have to go to prison for four years. I mean, that literally prison for four years or spend a million dollars. Holy fuck. That million dollars.

is the thing that kept you from spending four years in prison, that million dollars made you so much happier. That's cool. That's cool. But I feel like that's one situation. We can't go with the majority. It still got to be some extreme, like going to jail for four years. And I don't even think that's long.

But, you know what I'm saying? I was trying not to overdo it with like 20 years. Yeah. But a million. I seen, but I don't know, though. I feel like it's as good when it's you. You feel me? But only thing it does,

majority of the time, is make materialistic regular everyday shit like free time. But I think you need to constantly be auditing how you spend money and how it's correlated to things that make your life better and make you happier.

Like, I know a lot of people who spend a lot of money on clothes and I really like sometimes look at them and just think like, there's no way you give a fuck. There's no way that buying that many outfits per month really is like making you happier. It's just you keeping them with the Joneses.

It's just you, it's you avoiding somebody posting you on Instagram and saying, look, this full wore the same outfit four times. Right. Which I really don't want to live a life where I'm like shielding myself against that kind of criticism. I think that's stupid. That's true because you would say that you would probably take a picture damn near the same fit at least once a year. Yeah, okay.

But a lot of rappers are addicted to never wearing the same outfit more than once or at least when they do, you know, a video or like a show. I really, but that's what I'm saying, though. It comes with the lifestyle. Like, I'm not a geek about clothes, but I like the shop, you feel me? I probably spend about, I say about at the most, like, 5K a month, at the max, 5K a month. I might buy one item, a little bracelet here and there, stack up, you know what I'm saying? Until it's just like, oh, shit galore. Now I can mix up pieces to, uh, uh, like.

A lot to be said for having, like, a strong. closet where you can kind of make something happen using things that you've already have on your niggas got managed their money though that's what i feel like you gotta manage your money like i'm not even arguing with a nigga and i'm 25 and i'm not arguing with a nigga if i can't see how they raf i already look or they you know what i'm saying like that's the shit and i'm worried about niggas playing with 200 like bruh my once you have money that work for you like like It's so easy and you can do it off a rap. That's what I'm saying.

It's just like, bro, I'm really living proof of this shit because a lot of people who even came out from my era is Zelch. For sure. Shit is over with, like, not even from my area, just my era in general. So what do you credit the fact that you have still been able to make good money from streaming and maintain that fan base

when a lot of people who came out around the time that you did definitely didn't? Because I feel like, that they had, um, they blew up overnight rather than have a steady incline. You feel me? Um, I wasn't hearing niggas, you know what I'm saying? No disrespect to nobody, but okay, if I use the audits from here, I wasn't hearing too many people talk about Roddy in 2015, 2016, you feel me? He came out when he came out and then he ultimately blew like he went Drake numbers, you know what I'm saying? People were saying he was going to be the next Drake. Right. This is what I'm

saying within a year or two. Yeah. So you rather have a steady incline rather than a blow overnight. So it's just like if you stay small enough for long enough, you're going to be big enough soon enough. That's how I move because like, bro, little by little by little. And then you're going to have your moment. And you just got to keep amplifying off your moment. But what I already did for the style that I brought to the industry in this shit, like not even me, but people like Gunu, you know what I'm saying? And, like, little dude, you know, the pioneers in my area who bought in the punching, rapping, all of that other shit.

Because I feel like your appeal is that you're, like, the DMV rapper who inserted more melody and auto tune and made it a little bit fun, clever bars. Like, I feel like, do you feel like your audience is, like, massively DMV focused? Because I feel like that's how it makes the most sense to me is, like, that they. after all those years, I listened to the Hoodridge Pablo one, which I know I'm not splurge, that sort of sound, the do-da-da-da-da-do-do-do-flow or whatever. I feel like you came out with that, but then we're able to keep freaking the style

and changing it up more and keeping it interesting. I'm not sure, bro, because I know my main, like, fan base and people what's happening with me is not from the DMV. Like, that's one of the main focus. Don't get me wrong. That's home. I love home, bro. Like, and home love me.

You feel me? So I get a lot of love from home. Definitely. But I don't feel like it's, I feel like it's one of the main, but I don't feel like it's the main focus. It's other artists who's being focused on in the DMV. You feel me?

So when, but when I came out, my area wasn't listening to nobody else, though. I see that. You feel what I mean? When I first came out, like, when I got locked up, and drop all of the shit before with APG and everything. Like when I was first blowing up,

nobody, it was people coming into where I was locked up at, you know what I'm saying, realizing who I was, they didn't even believe that I was a rapper when I first got locked up. They found out over time. So. Also, I'm aware that the two examples I used for the DMV flow or not DMV rappers. Splurge and Pablo 1, but they both, like, kind of filled in the blanks.

Splurge from, I think you from, What is it? Texas. Arlington. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep, he's from Arlington, Texas, but he came out at an era. I feel like that he started some shit too, you feel, me, with that whole punch and flow. That nigga, um, Spurs is, you know what I'm saying?

He wanted them in his field as well. Definitely. There's lore about how Hoodridge Pablo, like, went to the DMV and figured out that flow and just made all this music that kind of appealed to that, audience and was able to grow his fan base a bunch by appealing to that. I feel like the argument is that he the one who started the flow. Really? And then once we started doing the flow, he came to us and we joined and joined that shit

up in so many words. But that was dude, you know what I'm saying, little dude and goon. Definitely. Yeah. So, Goon and rest in peace, when you think about him and like, you know, what his place was in the game, how's that? sit with you just like knowing that he was somebody that you were around doing those those time period and that like and he's gone now the way that these you see how the underground is now with

the crazy beats the 808s the dark you know what I'm saying yeah bro he was the master that she's doing that shit 2018 2017 like he would have been huge right now bro and it wasn't no gimmicks everything authentic about bro right right so So, yeah, he would have been one of the biggest right now in this shit. Is little dudes still making music? He's still at it? Yeah, I got to tap in and check it out. Yeah, you got to tap in, bro.

He, you know, back and forth doing music, you know? They're real streetcats. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Real street. I mean, I pick that up along the way. I'd be, like, I'd be trying to stay focused on my craft because I'm going to be really great at this shit.

It's some people who don't even have the blessing. that I used to be so small-minded, I used to reply to everything little, bro. So many little things just to get to my mind. I had Kirk off in a blink of a second. Nigger, well, you wanna ask about sauce, I woulda went off. Like, you know what I'm saying?

Like, just because how I used to think, so I just used to have like a small mind and stop letting dumb shit get to me. You feel me? If it can be ignored, let the issue be one-sided. You see him and they on man time. I ain't playing no defense. I'm on man time.

But I don't, I don't got to act like the big, bad wolf in every room. And, you know what I'm saying? And do all of that extra shit, bro. I just like to stay out the way, really do the shit that matter and, like, take care of your family. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't want none.

I don't want the kids, none of that to go through what I went through. I want them to do everything that I did without my mistakes. And you know what I'm saying, my trial in there. I'm pretty sure you would want the same thing, though, bro. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? I mean, it's all about risk and reward, you know, like as you get older,

you start to realize that everything's got inherent risk. You know, every time you go to the club, every time we go to an event, something could happen. And we all know, like, great people have been taking us from us early doing things that, like, you would never have really guessed. Like, nobody would ever tell takeoff, like, hey, don't go shoot dice at the bowling alley or the club or whatever. and that was the situation that ended up having him lose his life. Now, granted, that is kind of like a freak accident.

But... R.R.P. R.R.P. Yeah, for sure. But we all know people that, like, just kick it on the block all day. And, like, you know, in dangerous areas where people do drive-bys and people get into arguments and pull out guns and shoot each other. And shit like that is just, like, you know, the more you develop your life or the further you get into life,

the more that it's hard to wrap your head around why you would take the risk of even going outside if you don't have to, or if the other option is to like stay in the crib and be able to like enjoy yourself. But this what I'm trying to tell you, bro, it really be survival of the fittest in this shit. Like, it can be a nigga who not on that in the hood that can become that just because the environment at the end.

He's tired of going like that. He's blowing niggas up now. Not playing, you feel me? So he'll blow you up. Now he'll kill you, you know what I'm saying? And he wasn't on that middle school, high school, elementary school. He got tired, bro, because the survival of the fittest, people really adapt into their environment. And nigger, it don't come from us and come from our parents and the parents before and the parents before.

That's why it's a damn near generational curse. Why you think that the majority of us don't make it out the Matrix? This shit really going on out here, bro. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So once you raise any certain. environments if you don't find a way to get out or even if you are square, bro, that I don't guarantee nothing.

I don't guarantee that you're going to make it through the hole, bro. Yeah. Like, so you might as well know that knowledge and still be able to move out because I say street niggas is what mine says, bro. Especially if you're aggressive, like they know how to talk business, you know what I'm saying? Like they know how to get stuff done in their own way. But I just feel like as a community as whole, bro, it'd be hot. to escape that shit, bro.

Yeah. Like, yeah. Does it feel like after you, when we look at like the DMV rappers who came out and had motion that it went from, you know, a dude like he was like familiar with the streets and everything like that

to like now I feel like the next crop of dudes who really started getting attention after you were like mega street drill type rappers where it was a little bit more like the fans are interested at least in part because they're trying to decode what's going on with all the beefs and whatnot. It's like kind of a different appeal. Yeah, I mean, artists going to realize, I feel like a lot of artists, not even DMV,

bro, just a lot of artists in general. You know what I'm saying? You got to create a storyline. I don't have nothing against the artist that this, you feel me? Like, because when the artists pass away, I feel like the other artists, be losing their fan base for real. Oh yeah. That's a real thing.

I feel like that happens a lot. So artists got to have their story. But you got to realize with artists, with potential, imagine if I was just known as a disc rapper, and niggas ain't know that I can do all of this crazy singing-ass shit, you know what I'm saying? And everything else, bro.

It was just like, I wouldn't be further. I feel like Auders going to realize when it's too late that is even if they, especially if they live through that shit, that, Is it worth day time? Yeah.

Because you can be making money off a something else that can appeal to a way more bigger crowd, but I'm not knocking it, though. Yeah. Because it's a very effective way to get people to just pay attention to you in the beginning. But some people, whatever. Like, it actually works. But then it kind of puts you in a box, and it can be hard to get out of that box. And even more difficult for people that take you serious as, like, a real musician, you know?

Right. We've all seen, like, the drill rappers are trying. to go the auto tune direction or try to make some rod wave-ass music and it's you know it's an uphill battle yeah facts but i've been delivering both since the beginning of this year so at least i knew a you know what i'm saying the plan and also rap wasn't a late thing for me i was going to do this or be nothing yeah so i ain't i ain't have no plan being this shit but how old you now 25 25 jesus christ still you know shit but you've been living out here the all time no no no last two years Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah. You like life out here better? Yeah, bro. Life out here is, it's chill. And once you tapped in, like, with the right people, you know what I'm saying? You really straight. Like, I like the way that they move out here because it's political, but it's respect. You know what I'm saying?

At the same time. Yeah. Like, you can see somebody and be on man time with them and y'all don't got to kill each other. We can beat the shit out you in the middle of the street. And nigger, it's over. We good. When lose draw, we get to go home with our life. And it's man time.

It's chill. So I like that about out here. You know what I'm saying? Don't get me wrong. It's still shit that go on. You feel on me? The home invasions, the rappers, you know what I'm saying? Following people home, all that shit.

But for the most part, bro, like, yeah, I like it out here. Like the politics or the already thing be moving. You know what I'm saying? We're good. Yeah. Like, I don't trust none of the bitches. Yeah, that's gonna be a problem. I've seen the same, bro, I've been coming here since 2018, well, 19, bro.

I've seen the same bitches with 20 different entourage's gang. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't trust Nathan, bro. Yeah. So. Yeah, a lot of people talk shit about L.A. because they say it's so fake. And I get that.

Like, and they're talking about, like, the industry. I'm talking about, like, the streets of L.A. or whatever. but like personally I kind of appreciate it because I feel like a lot of people in the music industry and shit like that are like you know

it's like this is transactional it's supposed to be fake it's supposed to be fake you know yeah it's supposed to be fake but I don't like the way how it's fake you feel me that's why I'd rather do sometimes you feel me with the streets

because yeah a lot of niggas do back door you know what I'm saying used to be one of them folks but I feel like they're gonna be up front with you a little bit more you feel me like just like how my manager is

Prez, you stricken shit he bro that shit is dumb we're not doing that you're not wasting my money in my time them folks in Hollywood bro they were sitting your face and smile and give you everything while they ripping the rug right from under you

you feel me so it was like a difference because you ain't see the snake coming right so it's like you know and it's over a long term process but also those people don't think that they're doing anything unethical because they think that it is on you to get a lawyer or be able to like decode whatever you're signing. I feel like they don't view themselves as doing anything unethical on average. I mean, that's true. That's true. They're just

putting the ball in your court. And if they really were to think about it, they would be like, listen, he's a young kid. You don't really know what the fuck he's signing. And I would feel terrible. Like if I was signed an artist And I gave him like a super Fri-up deal Which is kind of the norm And rap Like even for

Why you never started a label at him? Oh, I just don't The whole time It's just never really felt like Attractive to me And even now Like I have rappers that I feel like I could sign right now

That I think are cool But I don't know I just always wanted to do content I just never really like Even wanted to sign an artist Bro I've seen you on some rain bad shit

Yeah You fuck rain bad I f*** with them. They ain't get my affiliate program. Oh, yeah? But what's another one? This ain't no sponsor. But Rips by Triumph.

Yeah, they sponsor me on some shit. Oh, really? What's that? It's like with the Pokemon card. That's what I was thinking, okay. With the Pokemon card. Damn, that's a big business to being, huh? Yeah.

Like, bro, the content I'm going to do with that is crazy. Because it's like, I'm going to just be breaking shit. My whole studio setup. I'm up on the line and record. recording live with the metal glasses, break the screen. Oh, shit. I got a bet. If I win, lose a draw, I got to buy a whole setup, you feel me?

Oh, there you know, okay. Just to keep the people in tune, you know what I'm saying, behind the music and all. Like, I felt like the Pokemon card thing felt like a bubble during COVID. Like, it was just too hyped up and it just couldn't possibly sustain itself. Wasn't that Pokemon Go? Pokemon Go was like 2016, but like 2020, 2020, 2021 is when you had like Logan Paul, like, opening the big box of original. Yeah, like pay $3 million and all that. Yeah, and it felt like, oh, this has got to be a bubble.

This is like people are, you know, this just can't possibly stay this popular. I'm not going to let you talk down on my anime community. I'm saying it can't be true because now it's like really hyped again all over. No, exactly. I'm not going to let you talk down on the Pokemon or a Yu-Gi-o nigger or Don Julio. None of the anime. I f***ed with that community heavy, bro. But you actually play the trading card game?

No, you just collect it. No, I just collect it. I got a couple of, I got one 1999-Harzart. Oh, shit. And my grandfather left me in a safety deposit box. And I have one MUTU that's a rare card, but it's only worth like 35 on it. But the Chazard is worth about like 22, I think. Damn.

But you don't play Pokemon Go? No, I don't. Level 80. What? Spoiler, there is no level. You still be playing this shit? Yeah, there's no level higher than 80. Pogo Stops visited 120,000.

Pokemon caught 240,000. Total XP, 366 million. Brun, nigger, I Cloud Cup. He been playing this shit for 10 years. It's bad. What the fuck? It's bad, bro. I'll do a raid right now.

I'll do a remote Kyoga raid right now. But do you still have to go around and get them now? Or the game kind of change with the Pokemon go. I mean, yeah, you got go places, but it's not as much of that. that like I remember when it came out I thought like oh I gotta go to the top of Mount Olympus and that's where I'll be able to get the illest Pokemon and then you kind of realize like nah like they're just sort of wherever right but I mean there there are places that are good like there's places that have more Pokemon but there's not like places where it's like oh I'm

gonna get this one crazy Pokemon that you can't get anywhere else which I feel like the game should be like that but it's not no bro yeah I don't really I feel like do you even got games on your phone no, bro. I don't be playing no games and shit like that now. Just Pokemon Go, and then I have the New York Times app which has like wordal

and spelling bee and stuff like that, but I don't really do any of them besides wordal. You know how to spell? Yeah, pretty good. Pretty good. I think so.

Like teradactal type of spell or like... Wow, I don't think I can do that. Oh, yeah. That sounds really hard. It's like... It can't be just like T-E-R-O-

O, D-A-C-T-Y. No, it started with a P. Oh, right. Oh, my God. I read my kid that word recently, and she was trying to get me to explain why it started with a P. Yeah.

I forgot about that. Can't laugh. Well, you're spelling good or not? Yeah. Well, you know teraductal, so. Yeah, terra-dict. That's because I practiced that word, though, but I'd be reading books and shit, gang.

Like, I'm reading books straight up. Where you read recently? The four agreements, the four agreements. Okay. Yeah, it's kind of scary. It's like one of those award-winning type of 40 laws of power, but it's talking about human domestication and how we, like, God is instilled in all of us, you know what I'm saying?

Because we are imaging him, and it's not like no religious or Bible or nothing, but it's just talking about the beginning. I can't spoil you the book, but it's a good book, though. It's really talking about life and how to move with, you know what I'm saying? People, like I said, related to like a 48 laws, kind of, like, in a sense. Like, it's real life advice. Yeah, I used to put a lot of pressure on myself to read books, and now I've kind of just come around to not giving a fuck anymore.

Yeah, my ADHD is terrible, bro. Reading a book is a hard test for a lot of people. I can't lie. That's why I do it as soon as I. I get up though. Oh yeah, that's right. I do it as soon as I get up. I ain't touching no phone.

I try not to touch your phone or nothing. I gotta be focused, bro. I'm gonna get back on drug. It was so hard for me to focus on reading a book in the 90s when we didn't have phones and we just had like a TV in the corner. And now, I'm in. Yeah, how I learned all of my big words and shit, I went straight to the encyclopedia gang. Like that's how I used to, because I heard that little. Wayne did something in college and studied the whole dictionary and all of that shit.

So I'm like, oh yeah, I gotta do this shit. I got to learn about the lyrics too. It's, oh yeah, have you ever used AI for a song, like, in any capacity? No. You never, like, are trying to think of like a rhyming word and then you look it up with the, I mean, it's not you need AI for, they have apps that are like for spelling and you could have probably done that on Google, but. I try to, I don't, I ain't like again.

I ain't knocking it, but I ain't fucking with it. Really? It's just like, if I say anything, like pioneer, um, time I steer, you know what I'm saying, out of here. Buying gear. Yeah, buying gear. You know what I'm saying? By, right.

And you switch it up, you know what I'm saying? But I like to rhyme both of the syllables together, you know what I'm saying? So that's how I rhyme. So I'd be like, um, water bottle, you know what I'm saying? Porter throttle. You know what I'm saying? Hors and models. Like, that's how I rhyme.

You know, I notice a lot of drill rap that I like is different than the way that I write raps when I write raps in my head or even when I write it in the notepad. Because to me, a good bar is one in which like multiple points of the bar rhymes with the other bar. But in a lot of drill music, it's almost like very intentionally just rhyming one syllable at the end of the bar. Yeah. Yeah, it's just like.

It's just like, I want no jump every day, we rhyme around with that five. Yeah. Like, um, and then see a nigga walk down on him. He ain't looking me in my eye. You know what I like that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That bitch says that I, but that bitch lied.

Right. It's very like, focus on that one bar, which to me, I don't know that I would ever want to rap like that because it feels so easy. It feels like the point of rap is to like put interesting combinations of words that rhyme together. At least that's like the part. Right.

Structurally. You can't knock the success, though, bro. So many people who did it. I'm not going to say that it is longevity, just my opinion. I'm going to say that you're going to have to switch it up eventually. But I don't get, bro, that. Yeah, if it's hard, it's hard. Yeah, if it's hard, it's hard.

It's a couple of artists. I ain't going to say. But that's when they switch up when it's too late. A lot of it try to switch up when it's too late. Man, like, we're not feeling this. Who, you're going to diss next. And then you get so far into dissing. It go wherever after that, bro.

But I'm not knocking it because I know the conditions of this shit where niggas come from, you know what I'm saying, where I come from. I can't knock it at all because it's just like, yeah, I slipped through the crack, but nigger, I never forget where I came from in this shit, bro, and that it can go back in it any day, you know what I'm saying? That God can, you know what I'm saying, strip it all away from you. So it's just like, yeah, I don't like to keep that. Do you think of yourself as part of the understanding that?

underground scene or is that something that you're not really concerned with even though like if you were to go to an underground show probably you got a lot of fans there people who recognize you like but you consider yourself part of that world all right so as a part of this thing called a doc plug so doc plug is when you're doing like dark trap beats uh slime cdo he is one of those people that was in there too you know what I'm saying who was doing like doc plug and shit like that Right, okay. But I would consider myself underground, but not an underground artist. You know what I'm saying?

I consider myself underground but not an underground artist, if you know what I'm saying. So it's just like the tier that I'm on, yeah, where I started from, yeah, like deep in the underground. Am I still in tune? Yeah, I know the two slimys, the Osama sons, the Shay. Yeah, I'd be talking a net, you know what I'm saying? Like, I know all of them, you know what I'm saying? So, like, even people, okay, like this, it's an artist named Jace. Jase.

Shout to Jase. We interview Jays. Jays, a good guy. Right. So I know, bro, we chobbing up sometimes and all that, but he, underground, but not an underground artist. He had switched it up. He would come out with some shit. Then they'll come out on some plug-and-bee.

Then he'll come out on, you know what I'm saying? So it's not a lot of... we can and every lane that I ever been in I got a million views from a million streams from guaranteed every lane I've been in rather if it was R&B rather if it's super trap rather if it's some whatever it is I did it and it was successful in it yeah because I mean I come from the underground scene to a serious extent like that's what no job was in the beginning was like strictly the byproduct of the fact that I was going all these warehouse shows and like getting turned on to all these like rappers that were totally outside.

outside the norm and it was very freeing and exciting for me as somebody who grew up listening a rap but I was listening to Jay-Z and Nas and Tupac and NWA and all this stuff that like was dope as greatest rap music all the time but also like really had like almost no cultural overlap with my life being a BMX dude on the East Coast or whatever and then like by the time I'm going to like bones and Pooya and all these type of shows in like 2014 2015 etc Then all of a sudden it's like it was just it was so amazing to me at the time because it was like oh this is like a full pack 600 person warehouse venue and there ain't one person that got like a chain on or like you know in here got dirty vans on right and that was just like a totally new perspective on rap and when people give me credit for being like the four at the forefront of soundclothed rap or whatever like that's the world that like birthed that and now you fast forward like 10. 12 years and it's like I still interview those kind of rappers from time and time and I like it but like I think about I went to a laser dim show when he first popped out like a couple

years ago and it it was dope but it definitely also stood out to me as like I am a little old to be in this environment no but I can't lie it's just like y'all just saying that because back then it was just unbeat and slower yeah that's the only difference now is just offbeat and That's the only difference. Back then it was, Duh, Duh, now you were here, up, fucking that bust up, I got a bitch in a d-then the nuts-thos, you know what I'm saying?

So that's it, bro, it's just all beating faster for real, but laser shit do be hard too, you know what I'm saying? You got a couple for sure that I fuck way and like, but, you know what I'm saying? Well, I think of the fact that like, okay, like Underground Sound, I think it was, did like a, a cipher, a bunch of underground rappers, like maybe six months ago or three months ago or something like that. And I watched it. And it's like, I feel like the underground right now, or at least the side that they're focused on, kind of fits into a couple groups, which is kind of like people who are reviving older rappers who don't sound like that anymore. So like you got a guy

who kind of sounds exactly like a little B. He's doing exactly what he's doing exactly what little B doing. You got dudes who sound like they're doing like young thug in 2015. You got dudes who sound like they're doing Chief Keefe in 2012. Right. So it's like you have kind of artists who are like, like revival, like take an artist that you really like and he doesn't sound like this anymore, but we're going to make music that sounds like how he used to sound. And then you also have auto tune explosions, which two simies like the most extreme version

I could probably think of. But even somebody like NetSpend, it's like it's too much auto tune for a lot of people, but I feel like the underground scene like appreciates. the sort of like extreme auto tune because they're so numb to it. Yeah, so it's just like now I feel people don't, people, I still make music to make music. A lot of people make music because the feeling they give you.

You feel me? Which is still good, you know what I'm saying? Because even if you don't understand it, people do understand too shalami, fool, believe it or not. You don't understand them, but there's niggas who understand people like that. So they're in their own lane for a reason. That's why I say it's never no genre in this shit

because it's a fan base for everything. Nika, Is J.J. Fish got a million views. So it's just like, you know what I'm saying? It's a fan. It's really a base for everything where you can. I would love to hop in the car with someone and they're actually playing too slimy. It's something about, like, have you ever, like,

got in your friend's car and they're listening to Too Slimy? Because I with him and I respect him and I like what he doing. But I don't know anyone who listens to him, like, besides like, yo, check out this crazy-ass rapper. I heard somebody play him, but not that I was with. You feel me? Definitely heard somebody play him now. Every time I've ever watched his videos, it's more like the whole room of just staring at the screen.

I can't even on Brody videos I can't hold you. I can't even look at the screen. She'd be flashing and shit. Yeah. Seizure inducese. Well, yeah, I fuck with Bradshallie. Yeah, I be feeling like I'm an OG in this shit because how long I've been around, that's how long I chilled out.

But usually people be turning up when they're my age. It's just like I did all of the, you know what I'm saying, O-T shit. But it's like I'm still a young nigga, but I turn up for real. So that's why I don't know. That's why I don't even be moving with like an. entourage, you feel me? Or, like,

I had my folks that be, I keep one sniper around and nobody's seat. Mm. It's all, bro. That's all. Like, that nobody's seat.

Yeah, the entourage gets a little tiresome after a while, right? Yeah, bro, I used to travel in a row with, like, 11 people at once. Yeah.

Every meal, you know what I'm saying? It'd be, like, probably, like, three people, three people out of 11 people that have put up on anything. Mm-hmm.

You feel me? doing all the they can and I ain't gonna act like that I ain't enjoy it any you know what I'm saying I really did I really did but was the smartest like

the financial decision no no no it wasn't so I was like no yeah I'm always impressed when I see rappers who like I used to buy into this narrative of like oh if you see a rapper

and he ain't around his day ones then that means that he's on some fluky shit and he was weird to them properly and that's what you bailed up? You haven't heard a lot of people say that about other people though? I have. I'm saying, but what is like your theory? No, but then I became one of those guys

who like is not around like the day once anymore. I'm about to say that, bro. I'm about to say ain't f***ing with you with that for that. No, no, but I get it now. But I used to hear people say that. I remember even like Peter Rosenberg saying them about Joe Button one time. Joe Button went and did an interview and he got all mad at them and shit

because they're asking them some mixedy ass questions and they were like, oh, you see the people he's around. He's not around his day ones anymore. You know that he's up. He must have been on some f*** up dickhead shit if these people ain't around him anymore. And it's like, no, bro, you just, in the business of music, I've grown people. Like, this is a business. Yeah, but it's just like, I try not to, I call my people every day. I'm the boy friend, bro. I go, I go to the gym, you know what I'm saying, work out. I really write some music and really plow on some shit, go out to eat, post some couple Instagram stories, all of that shit, bro.

I'm the bored friend. I called like seven people a day, like just to talk to him on the phone for about 30 minutes. How are you? You good? Talk to them about bullshit. Like, what's the next play? You know what I'm saying? What's the next step that you're taking?

You know what I'm saying? Like being in a conglomerate with this shit. But I call my people every day to try to check on them as most as I can, bro. Like, because I don't take this shit for granted. Right. You know what I'm saying? I'm serious more than ever, nigga. I'm in a different mode.

For real, bro. Like, I feel the best that I ever have in everything, bro. Mm, definitely. You ever consciously, like, go in the studio and try to make a hit or, like, a record that you feel like will change your life? Or does it ever just fall into place? I feel like you fall in a place when you don't try. Mm-hmm. So, but at the same time, when you don't try, you still got to know what you're doing.

You feel me? It's just like, I can't just go in there, la la la la, you know what I'm saying? I can't go in there saying no bullshit. But I can go in there, like, and structure it. And it can still come out a hit without me trying as hard on the lyrics. Because, again, music is about the feeling. And why I like nowadays music, because it's all about the story. nostalgia too.

Like, anybody can come back. Anybody can come back and be hot again. You feel what I'm? Like, it wasn't like that in 2021. You feel what I mean? Or 2022, whatever. Like, if you off, you off. But now we live in the time

anybody can come back. We got TikTok. Like, my bitch just discovered, like, excuse my language. I ain't mean to say that. My girl just discovered, bro. Neo, a song by Neo game. Like, bro, you expect everybody to know every top Neo song. And I think it's that song called Closer.

I got to do some Neo homework. It's been a while because I even thought about his existence. Damn, for real? Yeah. Nobody be thinking about Neo. I got weak army much. He got like three bitches, though. I mean, he got like three wives, bro.

Oh, yeah. Oh, I've seen those. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because people be saying three wives, I don't know how people are going to be like Polly in the U.S. when they don't allow that shit. Hmm. I guess you can't marry some of them on paper.

You can only marry one on paper, but then you can, like, live in a house with them. Right. I guess. You would be interested in that having three wives? Nah, bro. I could never. I could never, bro.

I could have some girls I f*** on the side. But I ain't trying to have to, like, be emotionally involved with them. Yeah, like emotionally, you know what I'm saying? I love you, the three girls and all. Like, when I was a young nigga, like, and I'm still am, bro. I just got old so. But when I was, though, probably in my early 20s, that's a year. The thing that trips me out is those, like, Mormon dudes who have, like,

a bunch of different families. Yeah. What? Imagine splitting your time between, like, trying to be a good dad. Like, I understand if you're a deadbeat, sure, like, then you can have a bunch of kids and just go do your thing. Sure. But, like, if you got, like, three houses in one city and you're the husband and dad, imagine splitting that time. Like, it's so overwhelming for me to even have one marriage and one child.

No, for real. So I don't know how they do it, though, but is the, let me ask you a question. Ain't the Mormons like the Amish folks? Similarity. Yeah, similar. But they live different. They live with no electricity. They run theirs manually.

Well, that's the Amish. I don't think the Mormons are typically on that. They'd be wearing the same shit. Yeah. And I used to think that they were Jews. Nah, for real. If I whispered. Juice.

Because right they around, bro. I'm telling you. Ain't you Jewish? No. Vlad's Jewish. People love me. So you're not Jewish. No, I'm French.

and Italian. Bro. They don't have nothing to do with. Oh, religion-wise, I'm an atheist. But a lot of Jews are atheists, too, so. I don't trust niggas with no faith, bro. I'm just letting you know, I don't. I'm gonna be real, bro.

You don't believe in nothing. It's like you stand for something or you fall for anything. I don't believe in that shit because it's just like, if you believe in bad, it's just like this, right? You don't believe that it's just nothing. You just believe that we were saying. here and I don't pretend to know like what happens after we die like I know it would be nice to know what happens after you die I don't believe that anyone's died you're talking about death I'm talking

about living how did life become how do you think that you think the big bang you believe in it uh you know sure but generally speaking I would just default to like scientists who study this kind of thing because for for me personally I'm not really like super interested in like how the world began I never really like spent that much time delving to it you high shit bro like you need to really tap the bro you trapped in a matrix but don't you think that if like we should just default to like scientists about like how the world came to be no because how come after all these years they still haven't figured the shit out and don't know what to look at i mean i think they're pretty

strong theories they clash together and just made life when has that ever happened on any other planet after all of these years we still can it can't get in contact with a planet never heard a signal what since 1960 or 1970 when we tried to reach out from another planet we heard a you can research this shit too bro tell me I'm capping bro I'm smart as a attack got me f***ed up

telling you all right yeah I feel like I should do more to like have strong opinions on this but okay the leading scientific explanation is the big main theory which is that about 14 billion years ago the observable universe was in an extreme

hot, dense state and began expanding rapidly. And so over time, energy cooled into particles. Those particles formed atoms. Gravity pulled matter together into stars and galaxies. The stars created heavier elements like carbon, oxygen, iron, and iron. This shit don't even sound real to you, nigger. This shit don't even sound real to you. It's not even like.

It don't even sound real to you. You reading it with a question mark over your head right now. Not really. I'll just kind of like defer to like the default scientific consensus. even believe this shit himself. I don't, I'm not concerned with like believing it. Gravity pulled once Adams.

Bro, nothing but God could have created that game. This is the thing. I know my strengths and my weaknesses. And I feel like I am not a scientifically minded person. Like what I just read, I don't really, I don't remember.

I already am going to forget it. I don't give a, I'm more of a culture person. You know, I'm interested in like music and art and what's going on here on Earth. So the whole science thing, it's not really for me.

But either way, I'll just kind of like default to like the scientists who spend their life examining this sort of stuff and just assume that they're probably right. Because myself personally, I don't really go a f***. And even like the way I just read that, I'm trying to like express how much I don't give a fuck. So you wasn't speaking with a question, Mike. You were just saying you don't give a fuck for real. I don't really. Honestly, yeah. It's just not something I'm really curious about, of like how the world came to exist.

It feels like a little too much for me to understand what happened 14 billion years. ago. Yeah, but... The one thing I know didn't happen is whatever the fuck it says in the Bible. No, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, what, we ain't doing that? We ain't doing that with J.C. Nigel. Y'all got me... You got me... J.C.K., I can't do it. You tripping. You're tripping, nigga. You're tripping, nigga. You're tripping. Don't talk about my God. You got me f*** up. I think it's cool that you have a God. Right, but that's what... Whatever helps you sleep in night.

Right. Whatever help me sleep at night, nigga, and I'm doing great. God got me out of lot of situations. Got me f*** up right. I ain't playing with the devil. Yeah. No, yeah. I don't fucking. But, you know, it's a cool idea.

Right. I understand why people find comfort in it. You, you don't got no faith. None. And nothing. Nothing I can't see. Besides, like. But this is what I'm saying.

Have you ever seen George Washington, how you know he real? Well, you know, something that I'm not an expert in, I'm perfectly happy to default to the expert who have like studied his life and documented him. There's all these paintings throughout his life, you know. I guess they didn't have photography maybe then. But I mean, it seems like we can be pretty confident that he existed.

But keep in mind, that was like 300 years ago. Jesus was 2,000 years ago. Really like tough to rationalize his existence. Okay, next up, bro. Next up. That's the only thing you want on because I don't even want to go deep in two this shit. That's the only thing that you want on. Yeah, yeah, that's good. So,

tell me about shitting yourself off of Xanax. I just, I just, I don't. Actually, my next question, I just wanted to see how that looked. Y'all got me up right here, Adam. Check it, though. You don't actually have to tell. Remo just wrote that in the questions that was the first one I saw on.

No, but for real, though, I did, I did shit on my soul off of Zan. It happened when I was in school, though. bro. How young we're talking? Like, this is like when I was... Yeah, I shitted on myself off a bar, bro. I, so, uh, yeah, I fell out and I was on the step, shitted on myself.

Then I ran to the bathroom. I don't even want to talk about it, bro. You ever wear white underwear? Nah, nope, I used to. Don't do it. Bro, I used to... You find out way too much about yourself through eye underwear.

Nah, what? Just... So you're saying, you just say you dirty, man. You just say that you dirty. My whole life I was rocking black boxer briefs. You wore white one time you see them skis. My girl bought me a six pack of white underwear and I'll be wearing them. And then like when I go to take a shower the next morning or whatever, I'll be looking at it and be like, damn.

Like, I didn't know. I didn't even know that. Like, how? Yeah. Yeah, facts. Yeah. I don't be, I don't be, I can't lie though. Why am I itching?

Probably took a perk. You want perk? Perk? You got a perk? No. Oh, you're saying in front of a little interview shit. I'm going to say. Go on, man.

Try and make me. Try and make me. Try and make me go. So I got it. I wonder if he's still on perks. Got it? Yeah. I feel like he might have left it alone.

You got to leave it along sooner later, man. Look, man. I can't lie, gang. I talk to some folks, you know what I'm saying? You don't got nothing to do with Goddard, by the way, but I stay away from all this gang. I don't really be fucking niggas, bro. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I really don't, you know what I'm saying? I got my circle of, like, rapper friends that I have, but the friends that I do, they like family, you feel what I go to their states and stay at their house, you know what I'm saying? And they move around with them. So it's just like, um, but other than that, I don't be fucking a lot of niggas, bro.

It's hard in his life to be friendly. You got to be stern in this shit. Like you got to and people don't like to hear no.

Like, that's like because men, we got an ego. You know what I'm saying? And you wouldn't take it as a fence

unless it have something to do with you. It's just like if somebody passing me to blame you're like, nah, bro,

With that, I'm a roll my own shit. You ain't taking much as offense, but if it has something to do with you, you would take offense to it. Like, hey, Zane, you got to pull up, nah, bro. I ain't what you don't want to pull up, dear. Yeah, it's tough to. You be like, damn, bro, like, you know what I do, you know, or whatever. So it's just like, that's why I be standing away from niggas because they don't like to hear the word, no. And I got that from my manager just being like straight and forward.

Like, hey, bro, we should, um, nigger producer DME. Hey, bro, we should lock in. We should lock in. I produce for a little kid, and I got songs with thug and no cap and da-da-da-da. And I'd be like, lock in for what? Make music. You know what he means, right?

No. No, he means make music. He's saying lock-in for what, though? To make some music together. You tell the nigger for what? Music is a collaborative art form, hip-hop especially. People get together, make music together. I mean, you could just say, like, hey, send me some beats.

That's why I feel like most rappers say in that situation. Yeah, that's true. Send me a 10-pack. Maybe I'll send you back a song. Yeah. But I feel like prize who do that, they'd be trying to get a quick dollar, you feel me? Because why are you, I never trust a nigger who introduces accolades to me when he meets me.

That's a red flag. Mike, if you say, A, bro, I'm no jumper, I interviewed, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. It's like, what do you want for me? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Versus you being yourself as Adam yourself, you feel me? so it's like yeah bro that's how I care

but I feel for those people because it's like let's say you're a producer and let's say you produce for Kendrick for Drake for young boy for all these huge artists 99% of the time we still have no clue

of your name is who you are right and it's like that dude's walking around knowing that he produced big ass songs that we all know and also knows with stunning accuracy that we don't not know who the He is, and we don't really care. And that is, like, kind of hard for a lot of people to accept.

And I get that. Well, the whole time, the nigger did the high hats. And he'll say that he pro. I'm telling you, bro. I'm telling you, he did the high hats or he added a little bit of drums. Is that chlorophyll? Water. No, I'm just saying, bro.

I be eating healthy and shit, too, though. Yeah. I've been thinking, like, this is too big, and I need to just have a little cup here. And then fill up the cup. And then I'll just be drinking. Yeah, you do. You doing anything pulling out there wild-ass. It just looks crazy to you?

Yes, it does. It's a lot of water to be lugging around. Yeah, I can't buy. But also, something that I do pods where I might really drink, like, half of this throughout the podcast. Damn. That's true. Whatever happened to, um, oh, is that, uh, what's bro name? Draco and MoneySign Suede.

MoneySign Swade, okay. Yeah. I know who Draco is. I heard of, bro. Moneyside Suid was amazing too He was gonna be the biggest Mexican rapper out of LA Probably ever But they killed him in jail

They're sad Damn Yeah That's crazy, bro There's a lot of shit going on It's tricky That shit crazy Being a gang member in prison

Can go Can go poorly Here and there No, not really I just feel like I just, nah nigga If you were a member And you after this

You stand-up man In my opinion That's just me, you feel me? You following, I feel like you following Coda, what nigga's supposed to be doing. But his situation was basically like old heads trying to extort him while he was in prison and he wasn't going, so they took him out.

Honorable man. Still, unfortunate situation, honorable guy. Yeah. Feel me? I don't got, I don't, just my opinion. You stood up for what's yours, you know what I'm saying? You already in that situation what type of shit go down. Like, it's now like you can dodge it, feel me?

It's not like this happened to you in public. You're already in a place where, yeah, and I'm not going. Yeah. He probably didn't know that they were going to take it that far. It's crazy, yeah. Wait, I forgot to ask this question earlier, but when the clip came out of Gunu's funeral, which was basically at a club and they had his body, like,

standing up on stage, is that familiar to you? Or was that something that was, like, surprising to you as well? That that was a tradition. You know what For one Like they'd be Somebody asked me that before

But not so much in detail, bro Like Nah bro That's how bro wanted to go You know what I'm saying Yeah bro He is Real knee

You know Celebrated He was celebrated Yeah Like that's what I say He was celebrated bro I don't know It's just because it's

Viral And I hate that internet ass shit like niggas celebrating you feel me yeah celebrating uh going away it's just like a lot of people were confused because that's not

something they were familiar with but I'm gonna be real that's one thing I like about the attitude of people like well damn my man went out you know what I'm saying cool and tell them put their bitch ass man in the ground and damn

I don't care what they talk about would you want to be on stage like that after you passed at the function? I don't, I don't be thinking about death. I guess I wouldn't mind. They could have me in the casket. Maybe they don't need to be like showing me the whole time.

Yeah, I'm just saying like, when you wouldn't mind, that's probably like, that's somebody else preference, bro. You don't know what the fuck his family had going on or whatever. We ain't knowing that. You feel like you know what grief is?

Yeah. I do. Yeah, do you? I was looking up the definition of it and like doing some research about grief the other day Because I kind of feel like as much as I know a ton of people who've died and I've had sadness But I don't feel like I've really gone through like the grieving process that like I feel like I haven't lost someone who is that close to me That it fucked me up that bad of like what the more extreme version of grief is I have, but you know what I'm saying?

My grief is different. Mine is more of a coping mechanism for me when our grief is not like crying, but it's more like running away from my problems. And I had to stop doing that. You know what I'm saying? Stand up like a man, staying tall, nigger. Something happened in Maryland. Yeah, yeah, fly to L.A. Had a bad day.

I'm going to Miami real quick. that everybody getting on my nerves here hit some money i'm out you know what i'm saying like but as far as grieving now yeah i lost somebody that close to me you know what i'm saying a lot of people since 2020 and yeah bro like it's it's a tough process i ain't going to say like i spent weeks you know what i'm saying inside and and and not still living me because he even happened to me recently and even if you cry it's just like that's just letting out an emotion honestly yeah some people shit i know nays who take they i used to you know take my ingot when i'm when i'm when i'm want to cry yeah you feel me and then i started going to the gym and then i punch anything

can't hold you so yeah i mean like i feel like i've known people who lost someone and literally were just in the crib crying and just in their feelings for like weeks. And then on the other hand, I know like people specifically in like the streets and the rap community, whatever, where like they're smoking blunts and drink a lien at the funeral. And they're going to the club that night. And they kind of like,

they have maybe like a moment for like the sadness and the crying. And then they just move to like it. We're going to celebrate his life. And it feels like that is more familiar to me for sure of like, We're gonna be sad for a moment, but then we're just gonna make the best of it and have a good time in your name. But then, like, I was listening to a podcast

with somebody just talking about grieving, and they were describing it as, like, something like way more extreme than anything that I've encountered. But then I was thinking about it, like I never lost a parent. I never lost, like a day, like a person I'm with every day, you know?

It's like this kind of, like maybe I haven't. You didn't go through it yet. Yeah. You feel me? once it's somebody that you and God forbid for you right hope that never happened to you you know what I'm saying

long time happened for everybody but you know blessed but you don't know how it is to call somebody every day then you can't call them you know what I'm saying like ever again is like what the fuck you know what I'm saying like

yeah bro I get that real gang so yeah no there's a lot like my friend Vell from Long Beach like he lost his best friend, like the person that every time I ever hung out with him, he was with this dude pretty much. I want to think about that, like, I haven't really had that.

That's, like, a different level. Yeah. Fax. And you know, like, bro, like, I imagine if you couldn't call anybody, like your mom, you know what I'm saying? Mom, wife, anything. Like, I always my grandparents when I was in high school,

but I feel like your grandparents are different because they're so old from when you're a kid. It's kind of like destined. When they're 80 and they die, it doesn't feel like a tragedy. It feels like the nature of the universe. Right, right, right, right, right. Whereas, like, when a child dies. Right, exactly.

Or, like, even a person in their teen years or whatever. I've seen people grief, I can't lie. I've seen people grief over, you know, because it's just like life is precious. You know what I'm saying? Life is good. So I was just like, I seen people grief over that, like, over somebody that they, because, bro, especially in the black communities, bro, like the great. grandmother's be the family trees a lot of the times.

True, true. So you got to realize it's either the aunties or the grandmas. Yeah. Not too many of the bunch of the moms is like the leader of the family. He's like, oh, we're going to Thanksgiving, that grandmas. Chris, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's the family reunions, everything. It takes place around them and all of their kids because all of the life stem from them, bro.

So, yes, they get the most love, the most conversate. Yeah. Yeah, bro, I've seen people grieve over there. No, for sure. It's normal. Definitely. What do you feel like you need to do to, like, make yourself feel like you did everything you need to do for your career and for music this year? Like, what do you feel like are the steps you want to accomplish?

Steps I want to accomplish, bro. I'm going to be one of the biggest in this shit. I promise you, Adam. Adam, bro. I'm telling you, Holmes. I'm going to be one of the... biggest in this shit you feel me

like talent is endless I just had to focus up I had to have the right team bro you know what I'm saying so

I'm going to be with my talent can showcase I know from all of the mistakes of the past some of them coming to me now many of them

disappeared you know what I'm saying like music wise So my goal is to just show to the world like shit A nigga like me can be at a Coachella in those rooms And I already have over the years bro It's like nobody who don't know me You feel me or don't know the name or I don't know

You know what I'm saying So it's just to keep on showcasing that brother Keep building building the empire to have the independency in my ownership of my music. Everything good already, but I'm never going to get comfortable, that's what I'm saying. I'm coming for every spot. For sure, man.

I respect it. I think you got the right mentality. You know, it's not about going viral in the short term and making yourself look like a goofball. It's about just building long term. I could have been did that, you know what I'm saying? It's not about that. That's why everybody would be falling short

because they'd rather go for 100,000 right now rather than for a million later. I'm just being steady. When I keep building and then going to wash them out the water, I'm coming for everything in a good way, though. You feel me? For sure. Yeah.

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lie like everybody I knew people who would like go to zan parties and like just be describing all the girls like on my couches and shit sounded not good. Yeah, hello? Yeah. Um, yeah,

bro, I'm just making sure that everything's still good. Yeah, I'm okay, bro, you're sure? I just see him, bro,

I'm, um, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah, I told you, bro, I got,

I got a killer everywhere, bro. That was a killer? Just sniper, sniper across. Oh, shit. Sniper across.

You never see him. You never see him. Oh. Come blow that whole John up. Oh, shit. Damn, you gonna blow me up too? I'm in here. Oh, no, yeah.

Good luck with your killing, sir. Oh, yeah, but, um, appreciate it, bro. He's just- glad we ran into each other. Of course. You know what I'm saying? Back and back again, we're going to do the shit again, man. No jumper. Let's get it.

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