No Jumper - Young Buck on Getting out of Prison, Status of 50 Cent Beef, DMX Dissing Yayo & More
Episode Date: June 10, 2020This interview was recorded on the cusp of the recent events. Adam had the pleasure to talk with Young Buck and catch up on everything he's working on since he's been home! In this candid interview, B...uck talks about G-Unit, 50 Cent, Cash Money, Eminem, DMX, his career and relationships in the business, the "Cashville" native shares his side of the story. Check out his latest project 'OutBreak EP' out now. ----- FOLLOW US ON SNAPCHAT FOR THE LATEST NEWS & UPDATES https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 FOLLOW OUR NEW SPOTIFY PLAYLIST! https://open.spotify.com/playlist/529mn7of2HBKdLfrAMUzcK?si=rWVBWCuWSXeh0TFYb2P-dQ CHECK OUT OUR ONLINE STORE!!! http://www.nojumper.com/ SUBSCRIBE for new interviews (and more) weekly: http://bit.ly/nastymondayz Follow us on Soundcloud: https://soundcloud.com/nojumper iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/no-jumper/id1001659715?mt=2 Follow us on Social Media: https://www.snapchat.com/discover/No_Jumper/4874336901 http://www.twitter.com/nojumper http://www.instagram.com/nojumper https://www.facebook.com/No-Jumper-198283650194402/ http://www.reddit.com/r/nojumper JOIN THE DISCORD: https://discord.gg/Q3XPfBm Follow Adam22: http://www.twitter.com/adam22 http://www.instagram.com/adam22 and adam22hoe on Snapchat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Yo. Buck, how you doing?
Sorry about the technical difficulties.
It's all good, bro.
Damn.
We ain't got shit for quarantine time going on,
so it takes as long as you want to ship it in the house.
Wait, but are you saying you're still on quarantine time
because I feel like I've pretty much seen most of the country
forget about that all of a sudden.
It seems like that's like a distant memory
after the past few days.
I'm going to keep it real.
I've been on half and half, you know.
I'm in the house.
But when I jump out there,
it ain't like I'm in the presence of a lot of people.
I do a lot of fishing and shit.
I'm going to the lake and shit like that.
You dig what I'm saying,
through the quarantine.
But right now when you look outside,
you wouldn't even think it was a fucking quarantine, bro.
It's traffic, five o'clock traffic like he's always been cracking around my way.
Yeah, the traffic is starting to get back to normal around here too.
It's kind of a weird thing to experience.
It's back, though, for sure.
For sure.
So, yeah.
So wait, you go down by the lake, so I feel like you're describing like a different version of young book that I might have never thought about, like a little bit older, a little wiser, going down by the lake, having some deep thoughts. Is that the kind of stuff you appreciate now?
Yeah, man, that's what really got my mind together to be able to go forward with my career and shit, man. All the shit I've been going through. I had to do some soul searching and shit and I always fished, always enjoyed it. I just start doing it so much to the point where I'm about to try to organize a selection.
I'm a celebrity Bears tournament, you know, around here and kind of do some giving back from that perspective.
We got a lot of country music stars and shit in, in Nashville, you know what I'm saying?
So I'm trying to kind of bring everybody together, a few of my celebrity partners and shit.
Get them on the water, you need.
For sure.
Wait, so how long you've been home from prison?
I got out this time in January, right at the end of April.
So you came home to the corner.
home to the quarantine.
I came home to the quarantine.
I was in jail right with the shit, you feel
me, and I was moved to the medical floor,
basically in a quarantine cell, glass cell,
you know what I'm saying?
And I guess they've done that in the perspective
of me being, quote-unquote,
high security is what they consider me, you know?
So I came home from the medical flow,
you know what I'm saying?
And like I say, everybody,
masked the fuck up in the whole nine.
So just to be able to make it up out of that situation
and then come home, it was just like, wow, this shit really.
You know, in jail is one thing.
I didn't really kind of experience the part of jail
around the inmates when this shit happened
because I was upset like, what the fuck y'all
putting me on the medical floor for?
Ain't shit wrong with me.
But if they separate me from the shit, you know what I'm saying,
knowing that I was about to get out of this shit like that.
Be honest with me.
like what is the level of young bucks celebrity when you're locked up the like i know i know rappers
who are like completely insignificant and they go to prison and they're famous as fuck inside the
prison for you i'm imagining it's it's got to be pretty fucking overwhelming man i don't
never want to do that shit again i mean honestly i've been to prison twice i went to one of the
the worst federal penitentiary in the fucking united states right now you know what i'm saying so
you know, honestly, I go in, I treat individuals like I want to be treated.
I give so much respect and go for no disrespect type of individual.
So I ain't experienced prison from a particular custody of none of that shit.
I walk to y'all like any other person who's doing their time.
So for me, my experiences is being, you know, real.
I've never ran into no situations where I had to, you know, fight for my life or no kind of funny shit that they say come along with prison.
It's all that.
But, you know, from the most part, people indulge and put their selves in situations that they want to be in.
You know, if you're looking for some bullshit, there's some bullshit right there for you.
If not me, you know, my prison experience has kind of been different kind of courses.
You know, my first time I went to prison, I spent my prison time bitter because I felt like I ain't belonging to shit.
You feel myself, that whole being, I was bitter.
You know what I'm saying?
And that led me going right fucking back.
I got out for a little while, you know what I'm saying,
it ended up bumping my head and end up right back.
So, you know, going this, this, the second time, you know,
it really kind of started waking me up.
Like, you know, I got to do something different and start changing within,
but this last time was just out of the blue.
I had no idea a lot of the situations was happening
because, you know, I kind of wouldn't got incarcerated this time
behind child support, but hell, I never been served.
So shit, a lot of that shit was like shocking to me, like, how the fuck did this happen?
You know, how did y'all people allow this to happen this way?
And then for me to be there for the time that I was dead, you know, it got real frustrating.
But, you know, like I say, you got two choices when you go to, I guess, any kind of incarceration.
And it's just to become either better or better.
This time, I made my decision to become better.
So I started educating myself behind that in a real way, trying to figure out my situation.
situation with G-Un, how to fuck to get the fuck out of this because 50s sent it
seeking to systems to YouTube and Apple Music and I took all these different places trying
to silence me and I've tried to resolve the situation for so long with him and then get nowhere
that honestly that forced me to figure out okay what can I do at this point I'm locked up when I get
out you know I owe this money here and there so I need to figure out a way to get back to work
because he's not going to allow me to work.
And shit, I came over bankrupt.
Not because I'm broke, but, you know, I figured, you know,
if I owe you something, partner, show me where I owe you, and I'm a pay you.
Right.
But so you, like, this idea of going bankrupt to sort of avoid...
I gave him a dose of his own medicine.
What was that?
I just gave me a little dose of his own medicine.
Oh, okay.
But so the bankruptcy thing, though, like, I was looking through some old blog posts,
and I seen, like, back in, I think, 2015,
that this idea, you had sort of thrown this idea out there that you were thinking about
filing bankruptcy to get out of the contractual obligations. Is this like, did you just finally
decide to go through with it or did you handle it a different way legally this time around?
Well, the first time, honestly, bro, I was almost really forced to go there right. You know,
financially I was fucked all over the place. You know what I'm saying? Really didn't have
no outlets because contractually I was tied up into G-Unit.
And he was using it the same way, kind of like now.
But for me, you know, it wasn't about trying to get out the contract at the time.
It was just about trying to, you know, save and establish what I had got
because the IRS and shit was taking everything.
That's how it kind of started.
But it all accumulated from a tax debt that accumulated over the years
because, honestly, you know, I put my career in other people's hands
at that time, my business management was 50's business management.
So when we had a father now, he just told the business management to stop working.
And I never filed my own fucking taxes even then.
You know, I was coming straight off the streets and taking more advantage of an opportunity than business.
So I really didn't know a lot of the business and shit.
So, you know, I found myself bumping my head the first time.
And, you know, it led to me filing back.
bankruptcy at that time just to kind of get myself in a place of trying to, you know, re-archistrate my
shit and everything. But shit, I end up filing bankruptcy and going to prison. So I pretty much
lost everything. And on top of that, I was sitting in the prison cell, you know what I'm saying?
So coming out of that whole situation, I never even filed, I bowed myself to never filed bankruptcy
again in my life as long as I never have to, you know what I'm saying? And it just led up to this
situation where I realized that I had exhausted all areas of trying to handle the business
outside of going down a bankruptcy route because, you know, it was a point of time I had my
attorneys and his attorneys conversating trying to figure out, you know, what is, you know,
what do you claim that I owe you? You saying I owe you 350,000 will show me a receipt.
I'll pay you. It got to a point honestly where I even decided to just pay it.
knowing that I didn't owe him this money, but I wanted to get back to work.
I felt like $300,000 of shit.
I make that in no time.
So he even turned it down.
He came back and was like, well, when he seen, I had, I guess, the money to pay him.
He was like, well, now I want $3.50.
Plus, you to sign over your whole entire catalog with all the work that you done done for yourself.
So shit like that put me in a place of realizing that, you know, either he's trying to take this to a court situation and drag it out.
It was all smoking mirrors about the money that I was old.
Honestly, if 50 could ever show you a receipt, right?
For every receipt, if 50 could show you where I would owe him $1,000,
I could show you a receipt where he owed me $100,000.
And he knows these.
You know this shit.
So it's one of these things where he built it these smoking mirrors,
and it's kind of like I spent time trying to fight public opinion, bro.
You know what I'm saying?
And then there's like a lot of this shit that was pushed out there
and pushed out there from him and others, like I say,
I gave it leads.
You dig what I'm saying by just responding to a lot of the bullshit.
So I'm going to hunt for success and getting back to where I've got to get to.
My music speak for itself.
I dropped the EP outbreak.
It touched number five.
I think it's been out five or six days.
I test number five on the iTunes charts and still row.
So I've always been one of the ones who let the music do to talk to, you know?
Definitely.
I mean, it's crazy for me to witness all this bullshit because, you know,
I was like the biggest G-Unit stand ever, like, age 19 or so, you know?
So I feel like a lot of the things that I learned about the rap industry and stuff from just watching came from watching.
Like, watching G-Unit was the first time that I saw a lot of these situations unfold, whereas, like, you know, the situation that you're in with 50 is like, you know, the Megastalian thing was a big viral thing a couple of months ago.
And, you know, people are starting to seemingly like develop more empathy for R.
that are basically stuck in unfair contracts and shit like that.
But, I mean, this seems like a particularly notable case
just because, you know, 20 years later,
it just seems like kind of astounding that anybody would be allowing him to continue
this whole thing.
And for me, as a fan, it's kind of painful to observe
because, like, seeing you sort of cut off from being able to put out music,
it kind of, you know, it hurts you being able to, like,
continue your legacy and put yourself out there in the situations that you need to be to still
be able to show, you know, like, there's a lot of artists from that time period.
Somebody like T.I. who's still continuing to like, you know, he might not be like the
number one rapper, but he finds a lot of ways to insert himself into the culture and make himself
relevant. And it's, it's almost like painful for me as a fan to see your legs sort of cut off
in that regard. Hey, man, and I appreciate you being as honest like that, because I hear that from a lot
friends, you know what I mean, real true fans of the legacy of G-Eld and they, you know, a lot of
people, they don't, you know, they might want to get a laugh for the bullshit, even I laugh
at the bullshit, but overall, it's about the music. People want to hear what they grow to love
you for. And that's one thing I've always focused on is, is, is, just making sure that
I'm able to deliver every time, you know, I've always been a good, a good Indian in a sense.
And so I'm in a position now where, you know, I've brought myself to the chief position.
You get what I'm saying.
And I'm one of them ones who played such a part other than just the music and just within the growth of the company and itself.
You know, and I'm saying whether it's just me and the business moves or certain things that come along with me or even meet down the writing music, 450.
You understand?
Because I broke records 450 where he's actually rap, you know, my, my, my, my,
record is word for word and never even been compensated for it because at the same time I wasn't
like I say so focused on the opportunity I come from Nashville cashwell and you know at the time of me
getting the opportunity sent my way it was more like you feel me man take this advantage of this
opportunity and deal with everything else on the way so like I said if it was anything I could do over
again I would put the same amount of energy that I put off into the opportunity into the business
And that's what I like to tell folks.
You know what I'm saying.
Overall, you know, the realest statements that you can make in a sense in dealing with
these music industries that, yeah, it's not 90% and 10% talent.
It's 99% and 1% talent when it comes to business.
Because a lot of these dudes ain't got talent at all, but you can't take away from the hustle they got.
So how to knock them if you're into this game to make money is the ultimate goal.
You know, for me, I love music.
I love the culture, the art.
I love creating.
Even now, top of me, I'm sitting right here in my crib,
but I'm in a four studio.
I'm a studio right.
I love the music.
So it's one of those things where even if it wasn't financial paying me,
I would still find a way to make my money,
but I would always make music.
And some people come in this shit, man, honestly, bro,
and they just love you for whatever, you know,
outside of just the love with the music.
They may love it for the money, the bitches,
the cars, the houses, the life in itself.
So it speaks, and I think my longevity,
my talent is what's got me on this interview with you.
You're one of the biggest in the game right now.
You get what I'm saying, and the lot.
It's not, I ain't a part of nobody has kissing club.
I'm telling you the God, truth.
Like, my fuck is locked in to your shit.
But staying relevant has got me still right here with you.
And now I'm able to drop me.
It's like I feel like I'm on my mission to take over the fucking world.
You know, for a long time and going through it like you just said for so long, I used to figure out, damn, this was an individual I looked at my brother.
Like, why you don't want me to feed my kids, homie?
Like, okay, if we have our differences or whatever they may be, in my eyes, homie, I ain't never fucked you, bitch, took nothing from you, shot you did.
It's a why so harsh of a way in trying to stop me from progressing in life.
So I think a lot of these things are just keeping it 100 with myself and with the people
is coming around for people to see for themselves.
And people always got to remember, like I by and what he's head to remember, you know,
you get what you get what I'm saying?
And sometimes a lot of people get away with a lot of bullshit.
It don't mean calm and sit back softening her life.
Like, okay, but he's filthy, so it is what it is, gee.
Right.
But there's like a certain thing that 50 does, too,
that's like kind of goes beyond just, you know,
hanging this contract over your head
or not wanting to let you out of the contract
where it's like this sort of like information warfare
where he just will seize upon like a rumor
or something negative about somebody
and he'll just hammer away at it.
And he still, you know, has a loud voice.
in the culture. So it's like a lot of times you'll see
like the blogs just
latching onto it and they'll repost
everything he says to the point where
it's like almost like it doesn't matter
if there's truth to what he's saying
or whatever. It's just like he'll just hammer it
over and over and over.
Right, man. And that speaks
a lot about really what
you see in the situation
of me and him and him going
so hard with the whole
gay shit and the gay
rumors and all of the bullshit.
You know, I laugh with a lot of that shit, just to be honest with you, G.
You know, I'm very secure on who I am and where I stand there.
So for me, it's always been like it is what it is.
But, you know, overall, just to be honest with you, our situation of my separation from G unit,
it never was about, no rumors or none of the bullshit that he's pushed out there to the people.
It's been about business because he was alerted by somebody.
as small as sound exchange, letting him know going forward I was going to be received in my own 33 and a
30 percent. And that's just from one thing where he had been basically taking, or I'm not even going to
put it on him. I'm going to just say G union incorporated because that's where the money and the
the chickens didn't cash. But since sound exchange even existed, you feel what I'm saying.
So it's just things like that. And then that was one thing, but it was business. And he encouraged me
What shocked me the most out of the shit
was he was the one
encouraging me to get
my business in place.
You know, you need a management.
I'm not going to be able to do these different things.
And I'm like, okay, cool, and I go do these things.
You know, not just me, but the others of the group,
Banks, Yale.
He's telling everybody, I was one of those poster child
to the crew.
You know, 50 would be like, you know,
banks and Yale y'all niggas need to be doing what I'm doing
because I've always been active with drive.
community games, releasing mixtapes and shit like that, not sitting around waiting on 50 to do a damn
thing for me. You know, it's just a being about my own passion, my own love, and hustle for the game.
I've always hustle hard. I've always believed in, you know, using my own funds and shit like that.
Yeah, I mean, you know, there's a certain, like, hypocrisy or just, like, an irony when I've seen
things where he said like, you know, you never seen Banks book and
and Yeo like sell out a show without me. But at the same time, it feels like he
never really would have allowed any one of you guys to get your career to the point where
like it felt like as soon as you started to shine that bright, it just wasn't going to
happen. Like he wasn't going to be able to sort of handle that. And I mean, that was the
thing about GUN and his prime is that, you know, you game banks all legitimate
at stars in your own right
and he couldn't really
like keep any of it under
control. Well really
man it wasn't even honestly bro
about keeping under control
it was just about
being fair enough
where we have
a brotherly bomb
so if one
was doing something that the
other one wasn't doing
it didn't it wasn't hate
for each other or none of that
the problem was
is that all of the opportunities
were directed and he would
use for self
or give him to other
people. You know,
name one fucking episode
you've seen me come out on power
but I was there in the making
of the shit in every kind of way.
Name, you know,
any out of all these films
you know, I was the one, yo,
you know, 50, won't you throw me in a movie?
Yo, I got some plan for you know what I'm saying
and shit like that.
okay, I'm rocking the plane and riding the plane.
But then at the same time,
you'll get on a radio station
as talk about how motherfuckers is not doing
what they need to be doing
to get their own selves together.
But you're the boss.
So what I'm saying is that, you know, 50,
I think, I'm just being honest.
It seems like wouldn't allow nobody to become
just as big as him or bigger than him, bro.
Honestly, bro.
You know, I have a lot of people that may say,
damn fuck. I hear the shit every day, though.
Honestly, I'm going to see here and cap what you like.
You're the best in G-Unit or banks or even Yale or whatever the case.
But nobody never looked like, looked at it like that amongst the crew, at least individually.
We all looked and moved at a point of time with G-Unit to make it become what it became as one.
And I just, you know, look at the situation like, you know, if I had anything to say to him was,
homie you didn't create their brand by yourself you didn't put in a lot of the work by
yourself shout out the monster one of the closest individuals he ever had from which is cryptos brother
one of the individuals that six nine ended up getting down on which is one of my cousins at the same
time so you know shit is wild bro but at the same time outbreak is out EP so EP so EP my shit
killing the street definitely um so
So at this point, though, like, who do you actually value your relationships with in the rap game?
Like who, I know you said, who was it, two chains and I forget the other one?
Well, I honestly, man, it's hard for me to say, man, because I value my relationships with a lot of these different individuals that I've spoken on, but I don't think they value me the same way.
So I choose not to give him that.
I value Scarface relationship.
That's who I value because he's always been there for me thick and thick and thin no matter what.
it displays and he shows it.
You know, I value DJ Paul's relationship.
You know what I'm saying?
Three Six Mafia.
He's always been a big brother to mean things like that.
I value my relationship with Boise.
You know what I'm saying?
Booty's always been a solid individual
in my career, you know what I'm saying?
But overall, you know, I've had a lot of these individuals
and shit that I consider friends,
but I don't think they've done the same.
Because once I started going through things,
I've watched these dudes kind of fall away from me,
but then get on the laughing, trying to fit.
These have been some of the niggas that I've been like,
brother, you know this man?
Ain't really given too far.
I don't know who we get to fuck about,
but I just know at the time the way shit used to be.
So for me, you know, I fuck with who fuck with me.
You know what I'm saying?
I shouldn't have to be the only one display my lord's,
and the friendship, that goes in any kind of way.
It should go two ways.
So like I say, man, to each his own and everybody salute them all.
But if a motherfucker, fuck with me, they're gonna shoot.
Because I've shown it for so long.
Sometimes I sit back at this point, like I ain't
seen pretty much none of these niggas names, you know what I'm saying?
Give these niggas none.
If anything, you know, these niggis need to be happy that I
gave these niggis no bars in a real way.
And at the end of the day, most
of these dudes, especially from the South, you know, the industry and rap is one thing, but they know
how I move rock stand.
I've been one of them dudes where my story is more told in the streets than it is throughout
the industry side of things.
So I'm still like an open book.
You know, my career is through IG unit, but I was moving in this game way before I ever met
a fucking 50 cent.
I was at a point of time in my life where, you know,
I was riding around with baby,
and he was dropping Wayne and Turk off in school.
And I was supposed to be in school
at the same age time myself,
but I was doing a lot.
We had a lot more going on.
So I was truly grazed from these streets,
and some individuals out of this shit
is just like myself, really from me.
And they give that off through the music,
and people gravitate to it.
I don't learn, like, it takes a little time.
But these in my time are the ones that people choose the love the most.
You know, the ones, the artists that we follow, at least I do, and consider legend,
are the ones that open up and give you their real life because when they hurt, you feel like you hurt.
Or when they win, you feel like you win.
That's what we love about pop or love about Jay or Eminem or any of these majors.
You know, they've opened up real life and reality of what life, real.
really is with them at times, whether it was, you know,
Pock and talking about the things that he's going through politically
or M with his mother, you know, Jay and everything else.
So that's the trend that I was kind of raised and followed.
So I have nothing to have what you see is what you get.
And I just think my time is coming around now to be understood as young buck
because of truthfully, man, my story is just as real
as, say, quote, unquote, 50 cent,
or if not really.
And I think that's what we kind of bumped heads
is because from a street perspective
and a real life perspective,
you know,
some of the things of my life
may naturally be
what a motherfucker
trying to make it be in their life.
But my shit really is way.
I've never flipped it and been that way with him.
There's never been nothing apart of his life
that I've tried to be.
But can people say that the same about,
me. You understand what I'm saying. So like I say, I don't want to spend this time just kind of
bashing no fucking 50 and none of that shit because it's like there's some positive things that
come along or came along with the era G unit when I was involved over there. So and I appreciate,
I appreciate the opportunity that was giving to me from him because technically she'd grow.
Before I got that opportunity, I had been maneuvering through these streets in the game so much.
and all the shit, it caused me $10.
I mean, $300 to press up a thousand CD.
I said, no motherfuckers, $10 a piece.
You do the math.
I slowed down from hustling in the streets
before I eat because my seat,
my own music was selling more than my fucking packet
at a point in time.
So I come from the ground of independent hustling.
It ain't a polling in cash bill
that I ain't probably hung my own poster up and down.
So I was established as a person in the country,
independently husband out of the game before I got the opportunity to fit me.
I already had a lot of education from the independent side of husband, but it was a new level.
Well, let me ask you some.
So number one, wasn't there a story in double XL back in the day about you getting on the tour bus with Yale when you first met him and showing him a hundred pack of crack?
In real life.
In real life.
In real life, man, bro, you'd be really keeping up with shit on some really.
honest shit like I'm gonna be honest like I was with juvenile when I first met
right a 50 in the whole G unit see rest in peace to Celo that was our bus driver
Celo passed away which went on to become a part of cash money with with baby now and
he had a relationship with shot money and I was just on the on the road with with with
with juvenile just moving around up through New York,
and that's when the era of G-Unity,
and they had first dropped the mixtape,
and shit was wild and live and shit.
And he heard us playing the tape and was like,
yo, I know dude who managed them, hit them up.
Long story short, they end up coming by the bus.
We had a studio on the bus at the time.
And when they first came in, you know what I'm saying?
Like I said, I knew who they was just from the music, period.
But I respected from what I seen from the very moment
because the shit seemed it was real life.
You know, these niggas pull up with business and shit on.
You know what I'm saying?
He was moving real militant at that time.
You know what I mean?
And when Yeo came on the bus and shit, he was like, yo, you know what I mean?
I'm Yeo with shit like this, bro.
And all that good shit, man.
I'm like, yeah, he's like, I'm still in the streets just like you,
Obladeeater.
I got a pack on me now.
That's where that come from.
You feel what I'm saying?
saying. So, you know, honestly, bro, do you think you were keeping it a little too real for him
there? Like, was he a little taking aback because he didn't, he didn't know that you were going to do that?
No, he was the one they done. Oh, he busted that out. Okay. He busted out with it. You know,
honestly, I'm going to be honest with you. It was one of the best things that he could have did.
And I'm going to say this, why? Because when he done that, it put me in a perspective to make
me feel he was just like me.
I feel like he was really a part
of the streets and he was somebody, he reminded
me of one of my homeboys.
So I became comfortable enough
to say, you know what, let me play
these records for him. And one of the
records that I end up playing for him
ended up being Bloodhound on 50's
Get Richard D. Trine, which
my whole entire record.
Piki bought that record for me. I've never
sold a song in my life. Gave me a
check for the record. Kept one of my
verses, took two of my verses. I'll
put two verses on and became a record on Get Richard Duttrend.
So that kind of opened up the door to my whole G on this shit.
That was, I mean, that song in and of itself, it's like if you didn't know about Young
Book, I mean, you had a very like pit bull type thing going on in that song.
Like, you were really like the meanest motherfucker on that song.
Hey, listen, hum, at the end of the day, the era was, I kind of do music based off what the
era really is.
So then with some of the fucking meanless times of my life outside of whatever was going on with G unit.
On my end of life, I had a whole other kind of war going on as well with them for us.
You know, it was a lot going on with the whole Murdo Inc. and G. Unit shit at the time.
But from a street perspective, I was creating music, like at that time from actually dinner with shit locally and local wars and local shit that was kind of keeping the fuel going.
in that pen and shit too.
So like I say,
I've always based my music
off the reality of time
of where I really stand
that I've never been a one
to kind of create a song
and come back three months later and rap it.
I walk in the studio,
not even knowing what the fuck I'm gonna do.
You know, I'm at a point now
where I don't even take a pen of paper
so much to talk about.
It's one of these things where
it's turn the fucking beat on.
you know. Definitely.
But so how do you get in the mind state to record at this point?
Because, I mean, you clearly are in an older, more well-adjusted position in comparison
to, you know, a lot of the best rap music is made by very, like, angry young men.
How do you sort of find that energy?
I mean, honestly, man, when you see shit going on like George Floyd, rest in peace,
it ain't hard to find motivation.
The only place I couldn't find motivation to make music was
where you think a person would make it at, and that was in prison.
I could not find the motivation to write a fucking rap while I've been in jail.
I started trying to write a book, and I wrote half of a book.
It's called Life Behind the Walls, kind of my experience in prison as a fucking full-fledged celebrity.
You know what I'm saying?
Like I say, I did it backwards.
I've done a lot as far as growing up,
and being a part of my environment,
the product of my environment,
I've done a lot,
but was blessed not to go to prison.
I became a millionaire with the prison.
When I didn't have shit
and was doing all this shit to go to prison,
I was blessed not to go.
But when I wasn't doing a goddamn thing,
I found myself in prison.
So I started to find motivation.
I felt like I was motivated
to be able to tell the story of what I could see
and what was going on
versus than trying to put it in rhyme
format and do it that way.
So my motivation comes from the things that I'm going through or been through or just
the surroundings of me.
It's so real and just life and itself is so real of what we're living and going through
that I try to touch patients and stick to that lane because I like for the fan to either
say or find something for me that I'm saying where they can either say, I know somebody
going through that or either I'm going through that in my goddamn self.
I don't never want to go through no shit like that.
So, you know, it's some kind of way,
no matter even if I'm talking about
busting the motherfucker head on the record,
it's still some type of teaching to it
and reality to it.
You know, as harsh as this shit may sound,
it's sometimes from a motherfucker like myself.
It's still the reality of the environment
that I'm coming from a living in.
And honestly,
to keep creating the music that I create,
I've always felt like I've had to keep one foot in and one foot out, bro.
And honestly, it's been a gift and a curse in my career,
keeping one foot in and one foot out.
The gift of it, well, the curse of it is having one foot over here
makes me vulnerable for all the bullshit to come along with the streets.
I still feel that shit, because I'm,
all the way over here in this industry
and this celebrity life of this here
because all my people still over here.
So it's like I could never feel like
I'm a full-fledged star
or how these dudes rock around
because shit, everything that raised me
or everything that I love
is still in the fucking bottom of the barrel
and I ain't in a position to pull them out yet.
So I have to kind of keep one foot in
or help pull him out.
You get what I'm saying?
So that was the one foot in.
That was the curse in the sense.
It's having to feel and deal with all of those pressures
of the streets.
I had the one foot in the streets and one foot out.
But the guilt for me was that I found my life
and going through all these trials and tribulations
that forced me to have to fucking go back
to the fucking streets, bro.
And in fact, to me having just that one fucking foot
over there in the streets,
when I was forced to go back,
They was right there with open arms waiting on.
So it's me in the streets right now doing what we got to do, you know?
But that's the weird shit is that, you know, I'll be honest with you.
I never really had any doubts that there might have been times in Young Buck's life
where there was that conflict of, you know, you're famous, you're in the industry,
but you also, you know, at the end of the day, you got to make something shake.
But the question is, it's just like, you know, we've never heard about Young Bug getting caught up
over some serious shit.
It's always some silly shit.
Yeah, for sure.
For sure.
And, you know, honestly, I think that's just nobody to get a praise to other than God.
You know, I give, you know what, I feel way more comfortable.
I guess my glow is different.
My flow is different and everything.
It's just because I got two feet now into this shit.
There's no other foot over there no more.
It's just that this is it.
This is it for me.
There's no plan B.
So for a lot of these artists and a lot of the reactions
and shit that they used to get out of me,
it dealt with me having their foot over there.
You know what I mean?
Like, y'all know better.
They taking that reaction and giving it to the people
for whatever they can.
But now I understand it.
You know, I'm blessed to be able to,
I feel better being, I can't say a role model,
but a model from the streets,
They've really been there and done that.
And now I feel like it's so much that I have to go and gain from this music business
and just overall because my plan from the beginning of this shit was to take music
and use it as a stepping stone to get off from everything else.
You know, I'm doping the movies, 50-notes shit.
You know, I've sit around and, of course, you have no idea of how many things that I've kind of played a part in.
But like I say, I look at life and look at my career now
as almost like this is a beginning.
Technically, shit, every project I've ever dropped
is when platinum, you know, I've only dropped two albums
in my career for a solo project.
Straight out of Cajville was two million a.
I think now when buck the world is like one point something
or something, I'm not really for sure what it is,
but I know at the same time I've released two solo
those platinum projects as
international artists or what or whatnot.
But, you know, staying relevant,
I've released numerous projects.
I did a whole Ten of Key mixtape series
with ten projects in ten months.
And that catalog
happens to generate
more than the fucking G-Uny
catalog, you know, at this given time right now.
Wow, really.
Those are things that I was getting
ceasing desist on just now about to go back
up and, you know, get the people, but they've been wanting this shit, you know.
That's fire.
You mentioned George Floyd.
I wanted to get your thoughts on the sort of tension, the explosion and tension, really,
that has happened in this country over the past couple days.
Man, honestly, I think, you know, it's about time.
You know, of course, I don't want to be an advocate of burning down the fucking community
and some of these people who work hard for their businesses
and things like that,
I'm not going to act like I'm going to encourage to do that,
but it is not seeing, you know, us finally realizing that
how long do we have to march
or how long do we, you know, have to, look,
there's no limitation on turning a cheap.
I think Juan Luther King never said after you turn your cheek a hundred times now they're going to listen.
You know, I think we've demonstrated that for so long as a whole, as a people, when it comes to dealing with law enforcement and the deaths and the way the things has been going.
We've demonstrated so many ways of showing unity that it's been ticking for a joke because now, you know, it's not like,
it's getting any better. It's only getting worse.
So when you see
these young folks now and
Minneapolis in the way they reacted
is because people are fed up, bro.
It's like enough is
enough. Like, what do we have to do?
You know, and me personally,
you know, I'm a strong
belief in the hour four and I.
You know what I'm saying? Because it's like
how can I see here
and allow you to take my life
knowing that
it's a possibility
or you're trying to take my life without me at least fighting for.
If it was anything that I would ask the change of my people or people in general, bro,
because, yeah, they're killing a lot of the blacks,
but overall it's police killing people in general, bro.
And I would say, you know, we're able to see these things
because most of the times it's videotape from some type of angle or some type of way,
whether it's far away or somebody else.
on the situation.
For those that's close enough to make a difference,
then I would honestly say spend your time
trying to stop a situation physically.
When you see it's became physical,
you got a better shot of hip in this person.
You understand what I'm saying?
Right.
Then sit with a camera trying to get the footage
and be able to go viral from the shit.
You know, some people,
People may be in positions where physically they might not be old or whatever the case.
And that's a little bit.
But if you're physically able to give assistance to someone who's losing their life is telling you,
hey, I'm dying or whatever.
And you feel like this person is to the point where you're saying stop, you're killing them or whatever.
Then I think that's a college for you to become just as stressful as it takes to show up for that person.
Even if it results to even you having to deal with it, technically no one knows.
what's on the other side of life.
And I say that,
that's the ultimate that can happen.
They could kill you.
But I would think that, I would think that,
you know, that would be a decision
that each individual has to choose and live up to
because some people be in fear of death so much
or fear of jail so much
that they'll watch some of the most horrific crimes
happening before their lives and their eyes and shit.
and deal with these things that rest of their lives,
all because they couldn't face their fear or didn't make certain decisions.
Me personally, I fear God because I ain't met him yet.
And I just feel like in those positions,
if you're able to help somebody, do what the fuck you can, bro.
Yeah, I mean, and the scary thing about it is that we would hope that
leadership would be learning from the reaction that they're getting from this.
but I mean you're seeing with Trump's tweets last night that it's like if anything it doesn't seem like our government is likely to become less callous from this.
Hey man, listen man, if you're even paying close attention, I mean, over the weeks we've all been dealing with the whole COVID-19 thing.
So technically the news is kind of overshadowed with the whole COVID-19.
But we got full cities on fire right now.
And if you notice CNN, it's kind of not even giving those, you know,
into some of these different networks, let me say,
it's not giving the coverage even I feel like of what's really going on in the streets.
You know, we're seeing bits and pieces of what they choose to let us see.
But it's a lot going on, I'm sure, in Minneapolis.
I think that, you know, he said, 50,
50 chance that we even get a fair, a fair shot out of this.
Yeah.
You know, honestly, and I think if we don't get the right verdict,
then not only will they feel or are they feeling the pain in Minneapolis,
but if we don't get the right verdict as a people,
I think they're going to feel this pain all over the world in the real way.
Honestly.
Yeah, I mean, it's a crazy situation because on one hand, I mean,
it would be nice for a bunch of local businesses, never mind the target of the auto zone
and not get burned down.
But at a certain point, it's like, what is going to make the rest of the world listen?
What is going to make every American have to stop and stare at social media to actually
acknowledge what's happening?
I mean, as much as I would like to see people not getting their fucking pawn shop burned down,
this is making enough noise that in some ways, it's like there has to be sacrifices in order
to make as much noise as this deserves.
Yeah, I totally agree.
I think that, you know,
clothes mouth don't get fed, bro.
And we've kept our mouths closed so long
thinking that we would get fed.
Now we're like, fuck that shit.
We're tired.
Enough is enough.
And maybe we can get a positive reaction
from a negative reaction,
but that's a 50-50 thing.
Most of the time you get,
get positive reactions from positive and positive.
But, you know, they get in a negative reaction, but nothing was positive out of this situation,
period.
So it's a next reaction, and you're getting a negative reaction in return.
They start giving us positive action and positive situations in this situation.
Then I think they'll start seeing positively push.
But as long as they keep constantly giving us negative reactions, that's what they don't get.
And that even goes for Donald Trump.
You know, Donald Trump, he's something else with itself.
It's like, you know, he gives these negative reactions throughout these tweets and things like that.
And I think looks for a positive outlook from the people.
And it's like, the fuck do you think?
You know what I'm saying?
What are you looking for out of these, you know, people to gather up and rally up behind you talking about when the
looting start the shooting stars you get what i'm saying like no that's that shit like that is what's
making the looting start and the shooting star you get what i'm saying is by having a person who
you would think show some type of sympathy or some some type of leadership in these situations
to me he's just only pouring gas every fucking word gee what are your thoughts on uh music getting
more political your own music getting more political your own music getting more
Like, do you feel like you need to tackle these subjects?
I think there's always sort of been this conversation of like the record labels and the industry would rather push, you know, gangster rap because it's easier to sell gangster rap to like young white kids versus like, you know, you know, NWA was always going to be bigger than public enemy because it's always easier to make people care about some hard shit than some politically charged shit.
But do you feel like you're going to see a bit of a change in that?
And do you feel like you see that change in your own music?
Yeah, I do. I've always kept a political push to everything that I've done. You know what I'm saying? Because like I say, it's always been something either playing out in the media that I feel like needs to be touch bases on or just around my life. It's always been something from that level. I think the industry in itself with a new generation of artists right now, I think they're going to start giving more attention to the political side of things. Some of the artists and the younger generation that we've been getting
a lot of party records and shit from,
a lot of hits like that.
I think they're going to start, you know,
paying more attention to the reality side of things in life
and start bringing those pictures to the screen
and to the music.
So, you know, I just feel like, you know,
music has so many different sets of wheels to it,
but it all kind of resorts to turning around on the,
it all comes around full circle to them.
the same thing. It's almost like you're seeing just the same thing I'm seeing it,
but seeing it different almost like. So I just think that the political side of things is really
going to start taking more of approach with the newer generation. We have a lot of
artists from quote unquote my era and beyond before that it was more accepting to it,
I think, overall, because it was more on the screen. You know, we had more artists that were
a lot more lyrical artists that were actually moving throughout,
throughout the industry at the time.
And I think overall the people,
it was more of a message behind the music.
And people gravitated to a lot of the storytelling and things like that.
So I think a lot of that's just kind of going to repeat itself and come back around.
Because if you notice, you know, it went from that in the area.
unit into what we get now where there's a lot of, you know, a lot of different dancing and a lot of
different flavors of music that's out there. But I think the political side and the reality
music is kind of catching the most downside, you know, side of the industry. But we in a time
where people don't want to really constantly hear about how well you're doing because you can
have a million dollars in cash and all their houses.
and everything, but the truth is,
you ain't been in the house like everybody else.
You know what I'm saying?
Your money just only, it doesn't really matter.
It's like people want to hear things to uplift them
or relate to, I think, more.
Not to say they don't want to hear that shit.
I want to hear that same shit too,
mope some of that shit myself.
But I think, you know, people,
we're just in that transition of time
where bringing this shit back to reality
or where we really stand
that because we dealing with a fucking president, for one,
it's making us have to stay in tune with so much of where the world is at today.
Because if you slip up the day, we can be dead tomorrow.
We're fucking with him.
You get what I'm saying, though?
It's just a lot.
No, that's real for sure.
How do you feel overall about the changes that you've seen in hip-hop
throughout your time and the industry and stuff?
Like when you, I feel like in a lot of ways, G-Unit kind of represented like the peak of hard-ass rap.
And nowadays, rap looks a lot different.
You got, you know, a lot more women are being successful.
You got a lot more, you know, white kids, Spanish kids, all kinds of different lifestyles, younger people, people who aren't even trying to pretend to be hard.
How do you feel about the way that the game looks now?
I mean, you got to adjust to this shit, honestly.
when you been in the game
as long as I've been in the game,
it's an adjustment time for an artist of my statue.
When I said just meaning that,
it's kind of hard to separate what's real
and what's not, whether it's from a juror perspective
or individual or anything right now.
I guess I will rely myself on
when it comes to listening to these artists
well let me bring back let me backtrack a little bit
I come from the era where the music had to match
if you stood these things in the record
it had to match if you said you had these things
they had to match we had to see this shit
you've done this shit we had to know you did this shit
now those things are away
I think it's about more of a talent
which is great but it's more or less about
who has the who can rap the best
or who has the best outfit or the dopest things.
All of these things are pieces of the culture, though.
And some artists are able to kind of bring pieces of the culture.
These are one, I call them culture keepers,
because what they do is keep the culture revolving.
These things that's been there,
but they make them a part of who they are,
and that becomes what they are, you know,
for as dedicating their music,
whether it's to the trap or to the,
the style or whatever, there may be, swag or trip or whatever the case may be, you know,
very few of us are all of the above.
So we got to start respecting and giving more to all of the above artists that same glow.
And all of the above artists, when I say that, are artists is kind of like not one-dimensional.
You know, I've never dedicated myself to not just the south, not to the east or the west, but to the world.
and try to create music from a perspective where everybody can relate to.
So as long as we continue to push this generation to grow,
instead of hating for, hating on them for what they're doing,
start giving them something different or different ideas,
showing them something different to even do.
You get what I'm saying.
definitely
all right
so I mean you got me actually
hungry to listen to a lot of your newest shit
what should we tap in with
in terms of your more recent output
that will really give us a peek
into the mind of buck these days
oh man shout out to everybody who tuned in
I would say
Outbreak is my latest EP
has been out for the last
past five six days
I think
oh okay
my peak position is at
It's seven song EP
No major features
Producer shout out to young self
Which is one of my in-house producers
It's Steve-low
It's seven songs
As soon as I got out of jail
I said, take me straight to the studio
I feel like this is where I need to be
I recorded these seven records
In like two days or so
Say you know I got I got to give it to the streets
Immediately because I'm able to drop music now
So I wanted to hurry up and get a street some music
to be able to hear and have something to go, you know, to know that,
bump back, you know, I'm up and running.
And, you know, to catalog everything that was cease and desist
to be right back up, you know, even my down to my YouTube channel, man.
You know, all of these things were taking them,
taken away from me from him just through something as small as a cease and desist.
There wasn't even real, but technically, you know,
I had to fight those things, but I'm up and running.
as soon as my shit hit
it's just
it's just growing every day
so if I was to give you
one of the most
controversial records on the tape
is called signed up
okay number three
yeah because I'm gonna be honest with you
I went and listened to the
two studio albums
your first two real projects
and I didn't actually realize
that you had a new project out
so I gotta get familiar with this
I want to hear like how much of your actual story
you put it in and all that shit you know
Oh man, you're gonna hit some real life shit.
Signed up, it's crazy.
Do you challenge it's for real.
You know, it's serious.
It's not one of those, you know,
I may speak on how quick I make a record,
but you'll see for yourself that, you know,
I've always focused on dropping quality street music
and quality good music, period.
So it's definitely a bank, bro.
I'll definitely tell you that.
And it's just a stepping stone
just to get off it to everything else that I got coming.
you know, it's actually taking off a little bigger than I knew it would.
You know, I'm in a position where I just kind of was looking like,
damn, let me throw this EP out.
And the next thing I know, I'm fucking on the interview with you now.
And it's been crazy like this since it dropped, bro.
Literally, like, you have no idea.
Some of the people that I know that was just fucking bashing me,
it's like, yo, we cool now.
Are you at the point in your life where you could keep it all industry and be like, all right, yeah, we're cool, whatever, man?
Yeah.
Because I know, you know, and that's the thing I didn't know in the past was that shit led me to prison.
You know, honestly, I give you a quick story.
Like, I used a role with a lot of fucking guns and shit back in the junior era.
And I felt like, you know what I'm saying?
She was so real life
and coming from what I come from.
We had to be protected.
So, you know, I had 10 individuals
with 10 gun licenses.
They limit. It was two apiece.
We're going to push the limit.
So on my fucking bus, bro,
it used to look like a fucking army.
And it was a point in time
where 50 had walked on my bus.
And he had no idea I was moving like that.
You know what I'm saying?
He was just walked on the bus.
And I think I had like maybe 10 guns
some shit laying around in the back.
So he come in the back and we're like,
what the fuck is going on? What the fuck are you doing?
But we're going to rock the mic to it type of shit.
Like, what the fuck you mean, Phil?
What am I mean what I'm doing?
He's like, the fuck all these fucking guns.
What the fuck is you riding like this for?
And I'm thinking,
nigga you just see him and told Jaloo,
that you're going to kill him and everybody else.
You talk about all these niggas.
When you're running these niggas, bro,
shit is that real because of the same.
same time we got
motherfuckers trying to kill us
shooting at us and some more shit
so I'm thinking in my mind
all of these things are so real life
I gotta live like
how I've been living and make sure I'm safe just like
everything else only
to realize like he told me
at that time and it plays out of my
head he was like yo you
tripping you know what I'm saying
but these dudes it ain't like
that and I think at the
time you know maybe he had
figured that out that this
It is an industry and entertainment.
And that's what we live off of.
But I'm kind of one of them ones that it's taking me a little,
took me a little time to realize a lot of this shit
with these people and artists doing say is exactly what it is,
entertainment.
So if I entertain it, then I'll be just as a part of their circus.
You did what I'm saying.
So, yeah, man, I can do business with a motherfucker.
I don't really get the fuck about,
or probably don't get the fuck about.
me as long as it's good business and you do what you pose it. Do I do what I do? It is what it is.
You dig what I'm saying. I respect that. For sure. Okay, last question. Did you see this thing
about DMX commenting on some former G-Unit members? Yeah, I fuck with it.
So for the record, for the people out there who might be seeing this later and not remember,
basically DMX said that he wouldn't
do a versus battle with Lloyd Banks
because he said Lloyd Banks was trash
and then he corrected himself and said
actually my bad no offense
Lloyd Banks I was talking about Tony Yale
which for me I'm a fan of both
as rappers so I
can't get behind that but what was your
thoughts on that?
Hey I didn't know he said that
he corrected himself and said no my bag I was talking
about Yale yes
God
That nigga, X-itreel is fucking.
That niggas crazy.
But, look, honestly, like, in the sense of that,
I got so much respect for X and so much respect for Banks.
And even Yago, I ain't going to shit on nobody
because he's even looked upon as my brother.
But honestly, I would say that it's kind of an uneven match
to set X even up with somebody like Banks.
You know what I mean?
I respect to Banks because I feel like Banks is one of the dopest nurses in the game,
but X is a fucking legend.
Like, for real, like, in real talk, like.
And again, I'm not a part of nobody's ass-kiss and club.
I'm just telling you what God, little G.
X is a legend.
I don't know niggas.
A lot of niggas don't want to line up with that nigger lyrically.
It's been doing this shit.
So if I was to give it a real opinion, I would say shit, you know,
I know Banks. Banks ain't fearing nothing.
Banks are bite with anything when it comes to their mic.
You can stand his own and hold his own ground for sure.
But, no, man. Banks will stay away from that.
He ain't, Banks ain't going to say too much any goddamn way.
I'm surprised that he's going to respond to that shit.
You feel what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Shout out to both of them, G.
Because I fuck with Banks.
I think that, I think if we were to see DMX's, like, it's been a long time.
been like 20-something years.
So I think if we were to see like the top 10 DMX songs played in order,
I think a lot of people might get a really brutal reminder of like,
oh, yeah, he had a fucking epic, legendary run.
See, you know what people fail to realize is not only did he, he still does.
See, they've been out here in my city running around.
I haven't had a chance to run into him.
But from my understanding, he's been around some good niggins that I know.
and he's been in the studio recording on the album.
Two of my guys been like,
yo, I ran into X and shit like that.
I'm like, so.
I haven't got up with X, but I've met X a few times.
X is the real deal.
You dig what I'm saying?
And I've just watched X go through some of the trials
and tribulation in his life
and to still remain relevant, still remain real,
still be the same fucking beast that we learn to love X for.
He's still that.
And see, he's no different than me, I feel like,
is considered an underdog, but it's the dog.
You know what I'm saying?
We underdogs in so many different things,
but that's only because of what this media do with you
and play with different trials and tribulations of your life.
And that's just what we signed up for.
But you'll never take away the fact that whether he's an underdog,
like myself, he's still deep dog.
Y'all.
So y'all, y'all pay attention, very close attention to motherfuckers like DMMECs,
motherfuckers like myself.
Because not only do I feel like, you know, we season and understand the game, but we also
know where we're going and we've got a lot to give a lot to teach a lot of real life
that has to be brought back into this game.
You have to have that battle.
See, we get so much of this party and then this rai-ri.
that I think the people start to appreciate the young bucks
and the DMX and even the Lloyd Benson and shit.
So, you know, shout out to them.
Them two of my favorites, bro.
That's real.
I respect that.
All right, Buck.
You're one of my favorite artists of all time, to be totally honest,
and it was a fucking huge honor to get to talk to you.
And next time you're out in LA, once we're a little less socially distant,
you should definitely come.
We'll do this again in real life.
bro i never know no shit like that bro and i'm a true fan of your whole show your whole match bro
as soon as i get out to la my manager and shit is out there shout out to big you and the whole team
you know what i'm saying so i'd be out there in and out but i'm kind of really about to be out there
you know for for for a minute so hopefully when i get out there man i can pull up on you shit
for sure damn so you tap in with big you when you come out here yeah in a real life in a real life
way, that's like family to me. So I kind of really pull my family all the way into my career
at this point. Big U. Co-managed me with another individual as well. So like I say, I've always
been throughout L.A. My whole life has been back and forth from L.A. to Nashville. I got real
family. I'm really tied up in the streets to L.A. in the real way.
Oh, okay.
And my getting over big youth, I've been amongst the streets of the streets.
LA, my man, for a long time.
That's a tapped-in individual right there.
I've been around a long time, man.
I come from sitting on the goddamn back porch,
death row, the show night smoking.
His cigarette talking to me, telling me,
but we're going to do this shit.
I'm going to be on the books in real life.
So like I say, man, looped to L.A. the whole West Coast,
but it's like a second home.
to me and anywhere
anytime I'm not in the south
you can expect me to be right
down that motherfucking West Coast
leave that in a real way
gee
that's what's up
all right young buck appreciate you so much
thank you for your time means a lot
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appreciate you gee
appreciate you gee
appreciate you gee
