No Jumper - Yung Ant Jefe on Doing 8 Years for a R.I.C.O., Neighborhoods vs 83 Gangstas, Flakko Being his Opp??

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

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No jumper, coolest podcast on the world. And today I'm tapping in with somebody that I probably should have sat down with a while ago, my man, Young Ann Hefe in the building. Yeah, for sure, man. Better late than never, though, you know what I'm saying? For sure. How you feeling? Oh, man, I'm good, man.

Just had, you know, like in around 11, something, 1145 on my way up here, caught that good old flat. Keep on having car trouble. It's like the second flat within like the last 72 hours. Didn't I hear you talking about it in a video or something the other day, talking about how you kept having car issues? Man, you probably seen a video I've seen That's probably when I pulled up at the takeover

And my shit got impounded I took one of my little hoes To the takeover We're there for like 10 minutes I look up, see a lot of police come And try to walk back to my car They're like, yeah, we're about to impound this You block the street

I'm like, damn Oh shit Yeah, they impounded it overnight And had to go get that Then flat the other day With the same person Flat today with the same person Like shit crazy

Is that your scene though The takeover stuff? No, I really don't even like that because like I don't even really like crowds and shit like that big crowds like to take over like hell no like I don't like to take over all that motorcycle stuff I'll pop up occasionally here and there but I was with my little partner

and he just like hey bro can you take me here real quick and I'm like come on and yeah that shit was a bad idea yeah I got stressed out just watching those videos for people who don't know we're talking about it's where they get you know hundreds of thousands of cars that all meet up at certain places and they do donuts and shit in the middle of the road and just basically

the most crazy shit possible and the cops have a hard time breaking it up up and I was wanting to go to one though. I'm definitely, I'm gonna find my way to one sooner or later. Oh, yeah, for sure, for sure. Every Sunday, you know, they'd be out there on Broadway,

different streets and all that. But like I said, I pop up out there every once in a while. Though, it'd be cool, though. But like, one thing I could say, like, that is a place you can go in L.A. where it's a congregation of people from different areas and ain't nobody tripping.

Like, everybody really out there, like the flow of cars, smoking weed, just enjoying the music and stuff like that. So I could say everybody do be good at there, be the whole L.A. So you see people that normally, would be trying to do something to each other

that they kind of let it go in that environment? Yeah, okay, so the Sunday Sunday is more, I ain't going to say the older crowd, but it's more like an older scene. So if you do, more than likely, you will see somebody probably there, you're a triple, but being that the scene it is and the crowd it is,

you're going to respect, you know, I'm saying, like, oh, you know, this is just kind of like hands off. You know, you got the older people out here, you know, I'm saying, an older crowd enjoying themselves. This ain't the, it's spot really to act up at.

So, yeah, for sure. all joined together by reckless driving. See, see, see, they do that at night when it turns to the takeover. Right. Oh, okay. Takeover. See, Sunday, Sunday, that's the morning part of it. Like, when you see the lowriders all like the suit up cars playing their music in the line going down.

And then at nighttime, like when probably what time, probably they, like, I don't know what time they started. But I know the Sunday fun day, that's morning time to nighttime. That's when the takeover come out. I definitely ain't going to that. I hate that. I got caught up in a few takeovers where you're trying to come down the street.

They got the street blocked off doing donuts and all that. Like, yeah, I don't be out of that. I'm not going to be one of them dudes who goes right up to the edge of the shit and ends up getting hit by the car. Like, those are always the clips that go super viral. Hey, no, for sure. Yeah.

And I had a home girl. She just like, man, she was like drinking and like was on that, it was on that takeover scene and end up, like, you know what I'm saying, hitting somebody. So, like, that, that's kind of reckless. That takeover scene, reckless. You would definitely get hit. People standing in the streets. They're doing this

car spent out of control anything. You're going to be in trouble. Yeah. That's a wild world out there. All right. So can we talk about your early days since this is your, well, it's not your first time on the channel, but I felt like the first time you were on with, with whack and shit was a little bit all over the place. It was kind of, kind of hectic that I was having a conversation with Wag normally is. Yeah, yeah. Wack kept on talking over me. Wack trying to get his little points across, though. Yeah, for sure. So what you want to start? I was on vacation watching that on my phone one night, just getting mad, just looking at the screen, just being like, God damn it, Wax. Just let him talk, man.

But for sure, for sure. We had to get that out of the way, man. We had to get that out of the way being whack, man, a lot of people because, you know, I'll be doing content. I did a lot of content on Wax. So, you know, to like the YouTube world and like everybody else to spectating, they automatically think because you do some content on somebody that, oh, they beefing all. He don't like, whack. And I'm just like, you know, dislike. I just feel he'd be doing bullshit sometimes.

And I call the bullshit out, but other than that, it ain't no problem with him. So, you know, like the little sit down was kind of long overdue. A lot of people's mad about that, too. A lot of people's mad. Just that you were willing to sit down with him. Just because I sat down with my people's mad. As a person who does a podcast with him,

I can say that there's been a bunch of times where I reached out for an interview, and that was the vibe that I got is like, oh, right. I'm putting myself in a certain box by sitting down with this dude consistently. He has a lot of people he has great relationships with, but then probably just as many people

that he's pissed off. over the years. Exactly. So I'll just be laughing at a dope because, like, I ain't never been one of them types like, like, I tell people all the time, like, definitely feel like these dudes who be in the streets. Like, it ain't nothing I didn't did wrong and nothing I ain't did in the streets. So it's like, you know, I walked and talked and lived in, it ain't did nothing wrong.

You ain't going to foul. Find nothing out there foul or none of that. So it just be crazy when dudes be trying to holler at me and, like, call themselves, like, pulling me up like, hey, man, why you do this and why you did that? Like, man, you know, he's all bad and this and that. I'm like, shit, where the paperwork at you? I'm talking about. CSI shit like we ain't gonna know who the confidential informant is unless we don't want to

have personal you know what I'm saying Dillis with them are you the police so it's just that's the most wanted paperwork in L.A. That's the most views anybody ever going to get off any paperwork as if you can prove the wag did something. For sure, no, for sure for sure. Like you said you got a lot of hate man. This just be crazy. But like you don't get caught up in that shit though.

I'll just be doing me like for real like shit do me because you know what I'm saying? Like with Flo's your boat don't pay my business. bill. For sure. No, that's one thing I respected about you before we even get into your upbringing everything is that it feels like you're doing the YouTuber thing, but you're trying to navigate doing it in a respectful way and really carrying yourself as a solid dude, which a lot of people kind of end up sacrificing some of that with YouTube because the

incentives on YouTube are different than in the streets or in the real world. No, for sure. So that's what I'm saying. I just feel like with that. It's just like, because that's how I am in real life. Like, you feel me? I don't be trying to piss nobody. off or offend nobody because I don't want

nobody to piss me off or offend me because I'm gonna be on that so like I try to carry it the same way you feel me like I ain't trying to piss nobody off but if you got it coming or you do some bullshit then it's like hey like man you can't even be mad it's like shit you did it but like no I just definitely I just feel like with certain

things you got to have integrity with it like and you know what I'm saying so I just you know keep that keep that basis you know regardless or you know how somebody feel I just you know got to do you just be authentic because everybody everybody doing the same thing You know, like, when I first started in a social media space, like, people was telling me, like, man, the recipe, man, it's controversy, controversy. And I'm like, shit, I ain't a controversy person.

So that's kind of going to be hard for me to just be hop out there trying to keep up a facade of controversy every day and shit. Like, that's a two, two, two energy and time consuming. Yeah, yeah. No, for sure. I've seen, I've seen people get into becoming a YouTuber and then my mental rating of them as a human being just kind of gradually ticks down a little bit just because you see. you start to see some shit where people will lie and to get attention or people will like, you know, kind of just, you'll see a conversation that you know 100% will go a different way if it was off camera.

And then you see people hyping shit up and acting like overtly mad. And like, you know, it's just like a lot of different things that YouTube can kind of provoke you to do that doesn't necessarily jive with the real world. Exactly. Because everybody worried about an image and everybody worrying about whatever. And that's like me. Like I've been got over that. like young like image where like caring about what a what a person think about me or saying about me like

man i ain't got time for that at the end of the day you know i'm the one living his life you feel me so just like i can't even like you know what i'm saying allow people you know what i'm saying certain you i'm saying um i can't even allow certain thoughts you i'm saying just like from the comments you know people to spectating other YouTubers i can you know i can't get caught up in that the best thing to do is just you know do you you feel me if controversy is you if it works for you do you You know what I'm saying? If not, you're saying, like I'm just, you know, do me. You feel me?

And, you know, like with anything you do, Adam, you know what I'm saying? No matter. You can keep it solid. You can be fake. You're going to get fans both ways. You're going to have somebody that's going to like it and you're going to have somebody that's going to dislike it. You know what my favorite dynamic is that I see over and over is where, you know,

normally when dudes have like real serious ops, you don't really talk about them. You might diss them a little bit here and there. But for the most part, you're not talking about them all the time because you don't want to be seen as like dick riding them. or whatever. But then once dudes become YouTubers, sometimes dudes realize that the number one thing that people want to hear you talk about

is the people that you traditionally do not get along with. And then all of a sudden it's like you're a fan page for these people that you're supposed to want to kill. And it's like just really cringe and embarrassing. And I say that as a person who has no real like ops or whatever. But like, you know, that like it's just like damn, bro. Like you got to look in the mirror at some point and realize that the paycheck ain't worth it

if you're out here looking that goofy. For sure. I agree, for sure. That's what I say. People just like, you know, they lack on their integrity and people do anything, like, just to be famous. Like, I say that a lot, a lot of people don't want money. I think a lot of people be getting, like, getting rich, you feel me, or like, you

'm saying, getting wealthy. I think a lot of people get that confused with being on camera. Like, people automatically think as you on camera or you being seen on TV that you got some money. And a lot of these people just want to be famous. They don't want no money. So that's why they really don't care about. you know what I'm saying like shade their integrity or just you know showing their ass you I'm saying yeah like for real for real because like like I said like if you just like if if like I

say like for me it's just too time consuming putting on that facade and putting on that suit and I can clown it's like you putting on the whole suit because like at some point it's going to show at some point it's going to show and even with me like you pointed something out like I'll be doing content like on people that supposedly be the option. I ain't got a problem with it because like I am me, you know, I'm a known person. You know, people know what time I'm on. Like I tell people, you know, I'm pressing peace first or foremost. But that don't mean that I'm trying to peace treat or I'm trying to kiss ass anything because

I'm going to protect my sovereignty. Like if you come at me or you on that rah-rah, then that's what we're going to get to. But other than that, like, man, I'm just trying to get some money shit and travel when I can travel and live life. I ain't like I already indeed the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, street shit. I shouldn't do nothing for me, but you know what I said. Put me inside a, um, a bath on with a bump bag. So shit, I like, I walk the yard and all. Like, that shit ain't fun. That's a little bit of a different thing with you though, is that you kind of seen it all, done it all

at this point. How old are you? I'm about to beat 35. 35, like, you know, you're far away from your hot head days when you're a kid where you really want to prove yourself and everything you're doing is to kind of like get a reputation and shit. By the time you make it to your mid 30s, 40s, et cetera, you know, if you've got any sense, you've probably kind of moved on past that, especially having really been locked up and haven't done all the shit that you've done. For sure. I started young, too. So it's just like, the shit I was doing like when I started 11, 12, like the average 11, 12

year olds wasn't doing what I was doing. And the people I was running with was five and 10 years older than me. So I like really started like at a young age. Like for real, like my peers, they had started gang banging three, four years down the line and stuff like that. So it's like, yeah, that shit gets tired of something after a while. And I just feel like the people who my age, if you've really been in the streets, like you say you've been and you've been through them stooping going through jail,

like, if you're trying to keep up the same shit you was doing as a teenager, like you got to lose your mentality. Like for sure, for sure. Like if you don't want no money, if you don't like women, if you want to be stuck in that jail cell, pile of ticking on the yard about a TV, remote tables and shit like that, like, man, you're the weakest link, man. Like, that shit ain't, that shit don't feel good. Okay, I'm going to hit you with like a quote I saw the other day.

Somebody said that, you know, if you get famous at a young age that quite often you get your personality kind of frozen in time with who you were at that time. Because if you pop off as a young crazy rapper at 18 years old, realistically, that's what people want to see from you going forward. So it makes sense that you're just going to kind of fall in line with that persona. Whereas to a person who's not famous, not well known, they keep growing or changing as. people their identity doesn't really get sealed the way that if you have success at a young age does and even in the gang shit in the street world or whatever you might not be like world famous but if you get a reputation for being willing to do this and that when you're 19 it's like you don't you know a lot of times you run into it dude is 45 and that's kind of what you're thinking in your

head is like damn this dude is still burnt out like he's acting like a 19 year old because he got a real reputation at a certain point for being a certain type of person and it's hard for dudes to kind of graduate past that. That's what I'm saying. And that's where I feel like with that, like, as a human being, like as a person, as you live in this right of passage, like, at some point of time, you got to be

comfortable in your skin. Like, I got a cold reputation. Like, this is my little brother right here, my blood, little brother. This is my little bro. He's from West L.A. He's from my hood. My blood, little brother, same mama, same daddy. NBA. That's the one that Brick Baby was speaking about that time.

You know what I'm saying? When y'all had, when you was up here big deal meet. Okay. He's speaking my name. He said my other name was NBA. Right. This is my homie baby crim.

Like, they can tell you a lot. Like a lot. Like a lot of people can tell you a lot. Like, a lot of people be surprised at how calm I am now in the transition I made because a lot of people never seen it. Like, I was that person that you've seen. And when you see me out of jail, like, hey, man, how long are you going to stay out this time?

You know what I'm sad? Like, for real, because like, I was on that. Like, and I was putting my gang first. I was putting my gang before myself. Like, for real. So it's just like a lot of people got certain expectations as me. But like I already indeed that. Like what's your expectations?

Like don't hold no weight. Like, you'm saying? In my household, like, because it's like I can't be that person no more. Like, you know, I already did that. You know what I'm saying? I did it at the top of his class and I seen what it bring. You know, you don't get no pay for that shit. You got to make your own pay.

And then once you start having kids and shit like that, like you got to evolve. Like because now you got kids that come into play. and they didn't actually be here. So now you've got to give some responsibility to them. So just like for me, like I juggle fatherhood. I juggle my personal happiness and like a small increment of the streets. And I'm going to say the streets because like I be in my community and just me being over there, anything can happen. Just you being over there.

So it's just like I just feel like at a certain point of age, if you still worried about like how somebody look at you again, like you, like you're dumb. Like you're the weakest link. You know what I'm saying? Because I can't be the same YA that you expect where I was doing all this shit when I was a teenager. I'd be sitting down with a life sentence like a lot of my other homies. But at the same time, like, do you still relate to that mentality of being a young dude and feeling like you've got to pop your gun and you got to be willing to fight

a bunch of people or whatever? Because as a young dude, you're kind of a blank slate until you get to a position where people have understanding or knowledge about you. And that's why so many people, especially in this, environment want to be affiliated with a gang and shit is because when you're just an individual, you feel powerless, you feel like you're at risk, you feel like, you know, you don't have anybody looking out for you and then you become part of a hood. All of a sudden, I'm sure people just start treating you way different, especially outside of your community where people know that

if they f you up, that they basically are going to have to deal with a whole shitload of other people that are going to have issues with them. It's like a real safety mechanism for a young dude. By the time you're 35, most people feel like, shit, I'm kind of solidified. I know how to move around. I know how to stay out of problems, et cetera. But when you're a young dude, it's just such a survival instinct thing. Yeah, you absolutely right. But as well, oh, that's subject right. I'll say this. So like back when I was coming up and probably the times before me, the dynamic of Los Angeles and gang banging is different from the day and age now. You say you got to understand now. you filter in

social media you filter in YouTube you filtering in Instagram this shit is like the new TV to back when I was coming up like phones

was just coming out you probably had a chirp motor roller two way page or shit like that wasn't too many people on the net it was just like AOL and shit like that

so back then people was like really in the streets like you can even like check the crime rate like the crime rate from the early 2000 mid 2000 to now

the crime rate and gang banging is different. So, like, for the young dudes, like, yeah, I understand it because I was there at one point of time. You got to be young and stuff. We're trying to get your stripes. But a lot of this stuff is net social base. Like, a joint is somebody who's going on the internet flagging his hood, smoking, pouring

up drink, dissing its enemies and stuff like that. They really not going out there getting it out the mud in or like shooting at each other. Or if it do, like, you got to like, man, the stuff that they allow today would have never happened when I was coming up. So that's be like another reason where I'll be like kind of like with certain shit, an aspect of game banging. I don't understand for the life of me how these dudes every time they catch one of

their ops, they turn the camera on. And then get mad when you put this shit on YouTube because you got a channel and it do numbers. But it's like, why the hell? Like if I caught an ops flipping, and back then, even we had like,

even that, like before I went to jail on my indictment. Like, I was a young dude, you know what I had a lot of money. You know what I'm saying? in Porsches, I'm in businesses. You know what I'm taking trips out of town

coming back with hundreds of thousands and stuff like that from off my indictment. And I was still in the streets. Like, you know what I'm saying? Doing everything imaginable. So it's just like, man, I'm just seeing like the dynamics like it. Like it's different now. Like I and I, okay, so what I was saying back then,

I would never have pulled out my phone because back then 10 years ago, phone's recording. I'm not about to pull out my phone doing nothing. I ain't got no business doing. I'm about to pull out my phone probably beat nobody up. I imagine pulling out like a big ass video camera to film a fight. You're going to look like a news reporter.

Like, it just seems so crazy. Whereas now, like, even I think about when Crip Mac got DP'd and somebody just kind of like sneakily, like pulled their phone out and was filming that shit, you know? It's like, they, but like that, think about that, the incentive to break the rules just to get that content was so strong that somebody couldn't help themselves. Yeah, so it's just crazy.

So, like that. So I just like, so for me, like, I almost want to. say game banging is dead as far as the dynamics of that street shit because like this what I asked my homies what I asked the young homies see when I was coming up all the stuff that I was doing my older homies was preaching to me like hey this how you do it this what you're supposed to do this to get down so you know I took that and I ran with it I didn't have nobody like preaching no positive shit to me so when you got like a real reptible dude and he's really don't even talk like that and he's taking his time out to preach some positive shit to you

and you know he got the credentials like man all that fake ass rye right right shit man like be you now if a person disrespects you like yeah without no question handle your business but like all the goofy internet stuff i just don't be with that and i ain't for that and i just don't just be with the elimination of like shit my folks like my people like for real for real like that shit is stupid Like all the shit that anybody in done in the streets to acquire the reputation that makes you irreputable, all that shit was stupid, you know what I'm saying? Like on the basis of eliminating, you know, other blacks. But, you know, that's what it was. That was what was taught to us.

You know, that was survival for us because if we didn't do it, they was going to try to do it to us. But once you start living and you start understanding and you going through certain struggles and obstacles yourself, you start reading, you educate yourself, and you start reading, you educate yourself. and you start to stand like a lot of you was doing like a lot of bone head shit and a lot of shit and I'll be on my OGs. I'd be on my older homies like right now to this day like about certain shit because like certain shit I live. Y'all preached to me certain shit I lived that y'all didn't live. And you know for the people who did like a lot of shit was poison. But you know I did get some righteous out of it.

But you know it was preached to them by the people that came before them. So it's just like you got to get out here and learn for yourself. So I just feel like I'm a Crip. And like my Cripping really stands for like community, like the people. I ain't talking about the Crips. I'm talking about everybody that stay in my community. You know what I'm saying? You know, revolution.

Like revolution is just like for me, you know, growth. You know, changing. You know what I'm saying? You know, independent. You know what I'm saying? Like you get out there. You know what you're passionate about. Do it yourself in progress.

You know, you got a progress. So that's just would it be like for me. Like, and then like I say, like I ain't got no enemies I'm from where I'm from, whoever got a problem with my hood. You know, if you try to get at me, I'm going to handle my business better than that. I'm not going looking for no problems. Right. Because there was a video that came on like a couple days ago that I bet you've seen where like

one dude goes up to the window of a car in L.A. and is basically telling the dudes who are in the car to dis the hood that they're actually from and they don't do it or whatever. But it basically just like embarrasses him by going up to the car. And then they end up walking away satisfied with basically making the dudes in the car look kind of goofy or whatever. and when I'm watching it, I'm watching it on an Instagram account

that basically has like a caption that is saying that the dudes are bitches for not doing something violent to these dudes. And I'm watching it kind of thinking like, damn, I'm glad they didn't do anything to those dudes because I'm just so used to seeing a lot of videos from other cities or obviously it goes down in LA too where like there ain't no like make it fun of your ops

or there ain't no like clowning somebody and getting a little Instagram video out of it. It's like a lot of dudes in certain. environments are just killing each other left and right. And I don't know. It felt like in a way that's like a good development that these different gangs have a relationship where they don't want to necessarily kill each other, although I'm sure they would have in a different scenario.

But at the same time, I mean, now the standard for gang shit on the internet is like, you know, basically people are going to clown you if you don't just immediately shoot somebody. No, yeah, for sure. And, yeah, that's situation. I did a segment that situation. So if I serve myself right there. You're talking about the situation with the dude from Brims, Hito. So what happened with that situation,

that situation did kind of get ugly. So it was another video that came out that wasn't really showed. So what that happened was, I guess he was with a young lady or whatever, and the car had caught on flat, like we caught a flat today, the car caught on flat. And it caught on flat, you know what I'm saying, in the area that it wasn't good, you know what I'm saying, in the 90s. Yeah, sure.

And right there where it caught a flat, that it's a guy. gas station and it's like a little car shop right there. So, you know, they probably feel like they're about to just pull up in there, get this little flat fixed and get up out of there. So I guess why they go in there, you know what I'm saying? Wherever them dudes is watching at, they seen the car pull up in there. They walked up on a car already dissing his hood, like as if they knew who was in that car. So they walk up to the car, you know, F.

witty woo t'u, F witty woo. You know what I'm saying? Walk him to the car. I ask him, was he from there? And he said, no, no, sir, which he was from there. Then, you know, they diss Hoover, just a few of the hoods there. That's when it seemed like they walked off. So I guess they stopped recording.

And then it was another recording with the young lady fighting. So they called some old people up there. They folks come up there. One of their homegirls ended up fighting the girl that was in the car. She ended up getting the best at a home girl. And they all packed her out. And then she ended up running up the street. But I was trying to figure out like what had happened to the.

heat though dude where did he go so i don't know if he had took off and ran and got on beforehand but yeah that that situation could have been bad but luckily it was just you know a few knots and bruises and get up out of here you know what i'm saying left your car down there type situation but from your perspective is that ever okay for somebody to ask you where you're from and for you to basically deny it to try to get out of the situation like right there so a lot of dudes like so like for me i can't deny that right right I can't deny that I'm not from A, Tray. Like, I got a known face.

Like, even be for YouTube. Like, so somebody who walk up on me is just like, and it's on me. So you're going to see it. I mean, that's like, it's kind of like a wobbler. Now, that situation is like, if you know, you know. But, like, what you're going to do? A lot of people ain't going to stand up in imminent danger.

So it's like, for me, what you're going to do if they got some guns on you? Exactly. Hey, where you from? Like, shit. A lot of people, like, hey, if you ask me, a dumb-ass question? Where I'm from and you got a gun to me? Like, man, look, man, go ahead.

Go on about your business, man. That's a dumb-ass question. Like, so a lot of people, like, I feel like that situation right there, man, it was all bad because he said, no, sir. Like, if he just would have stayed in quarantine just been looking like, man, like, because it's an ugly situation. Like, it's an ugly situation.

I don't got no gun. I'm right here in the Lions Den with these people. like, man, ain't too many people gonna stand up in a minute danger. And it ain't no rule to say, oh, yeah, I better say that this, this what it is, you know what I'm saying? But it was just like for me,

he was like, oh, man, no sir, no sir. When it was this. Would you respect him more if he, without a gun, got up out the car and just said, all right, like, I'm down to fight, whoever. Like, and then inevitably, he probably gets packed out

by a couple different people. Like, would you respect that more? It would have been respect. I ain't about to sit there in a lie. Adam and tell you, I would have respected that more. That shit would have been stupid. because it probably wouldn't have gone down like that.

Yeah, exactly. Because you don't know because like I said, just looking at it, it was funny to me like, I was more of to see for me, this why I was only because now if I know you like a low-key dude and you really don't be on the rah-rah or promoting the violence and that happened to you, I wouldn't even did no content on it because I'd be like, oh man, you know, that ain't even broke character. You know, bro lay back anyway, you feel me? You know, I expected that from bro.

But when I see you on camera, twisting the fingers, and you promoting you the one in the hood and you rapping this gang rap, and you just, you know, you're talking about you the face of the hood. And the situation happened like that, you're going to be judged according. I got a few people floating around in my head that if they said, like, no, sir, I ain't from there after the way that they've talked in songs and in interviews, etc., that it would have been over. Nobody wants to hear you ever talk about the shit ever again.

For sure. So that's the type of person I am. I don't hold everybody foot to the fire based on a standard. I hold them based on their personality and characteristics. So just like for him, like you find it wraps, you know, you can find blogs of him like, you know what I'm saying. Like advocating like, you know, I'm the face of the set. So it's just like if you're the face of the set, that's what you advocating did. Like is that some of the faces of the set would it did?

Nah. He said no, sir. He was like, hey, F, Uti-Wu, you from Uti-W? No, sir, no, sir. I was like, whoa, just like, you should have just stayed quiet or rode to the window. But I feel like you as an older dude that there's still part of you that's like, well, shit, dude probably made it home all right that day.

So you can't really judge somebody that harshly when they did what they had to do to get home to their girl and their kids or whatever their life is, you know? No, salute. And I'm not clowning him on the basis that he should have stood there and die. at all. Hell no, get home. You feel me? Get home. Like, you know, salute to him getting home and getting up out of there

and nothing didn't happen to him. Not that I wanted to see anything happened to anybody, but like I said, you know, you advocating that talk and like you walking in and then, you know, you caught a situation like that. So for me, it was just like pretty much clowning. I was just clowning. Like, yeah, man, it's funny, you know, sir. So

I ain't mad at you. I ain't got no beef with you. But, you know, if you do hop back out there on the ron-round, you know, somebody that clip going to come back up. No, sir. Is that DP worthy? For sure.

Yeah, for you. For sure. Probably a little boobbop because he said, no, sir. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, and that's just what it was for me. Like, if he just would have been quiet, it's like, I understand the situation, man. Look, tire caught on flat.

I'm in the wrong town. What can I do? You know what I ain't got no billy on me? And like, it's ugly. You know what I'm saying? They came out of nowhere. And like, we don't know if they had a gun. You know what I'm saying?

We're just looking at it from their angle. They got the camera on him. they could have been like this like video camera. Like what's up? He's from Uti Woo, he looking like shit. No. It's crazy too because imagine how different our reaction to it would be if the guy who was in the car had a gun on him and just pulled out and just ended up shooting those

dudes. And like this is now such a different story that people would be reporting on. And it's an ugly reality. You know, nobody would be debating how official dude was or whatever. But it's like that's also that would be a tragedy. You know, a bunch of people could have lost their lives right there. Yeah, no, for sure, for sure. So it was just.

Like, I don't know, but like definitely a DP because, like I said, you know, it's a DP for me for the no sir. And then the young lady was left down there to fight with one of their home girls that they ended up getting packed out by them dudes down there. You weren't nowhere. You went down there fighting with her. It was nothing. You was gone like you struck a 50-yard die. So it's like- You ran up out of there? He had to.

He had to. Oh, shit. Because she got packed out. He wasn't like, they let her. fight one of their home girls from what I'm told. They let her fight one of their home girls head up. She started getting with their home girl. They home boys hopped in, packed her out.

And then she had to take off run and leave her car down there and all and then. They had to come back and get her car later. Crazy. And he wasn't nowhere in the video. So it was like he had to get up out of there like before. Maybe he didn't have no love for her. Hey, get beat up.

Hey, my problem. I was just getting a ride. Look, look. This is my ride. I don't know. Oh, look. I ain't looking, I was looking. See, that's what would be going on out here.

There being a lot of fake love, people being cars and being in places with people that they ain't got no love for. It's like for me, I don't even want to ride in the car and be hanging out with nobody. I ain't like got at least a bond with, you know, said, or some love for, for sure. Like, we ain't doing no fake love. I stay away from you. I feel it. Yo, I have another question, side questions. So Flacco took a look at the schedule yesterday and said, damn, you all, you all was about to have me.

up in this bitch with my op and hefe? And we were like, we were like, y'all are like that? Like, like, and he's like, he's like, I don't have a problem with him, but he has, you know, an issue with me and I wouldn't necessarily want to be in the same building as him, etc. I had

no idea. It was even close to that. Serious. I don't need to cut that out. Okay, so he's just exaggerating? For sure. Oh, shit. Okay. So, man, look, back when I first started in the YouTube space, right, A lot of people was on flock online, you know what I said?

It was on flaco line, like, basically Cardi Bloc Academic, and, like, he'd be starting, like, a lot of stuff with the game and everything. I really didn't know too much about him because I wasn't familiar with the YouTube space. So when I did see a little segment or whatever and check them out, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, okay, boom, I do be seeing him, you know what I'm saying? It's looked like from my perspective, not from when nobody else telling me, he hanging out with the gangbangers and stuff like that. And then, you know, he's spinning this little narrative and content.

And he had said some stuff that was like crazy, like as far as like they had, they was talking about a political matter with, with welfare and all that and who somebody should go to. And he was saying it shouldn't go to a gangmaker family and some stuff like that. That was one of his wilder takes, is saying that the mothers of gang members don't deserve money from the, from, you know, welfare or whatever, because it's basically your fault if you raised a bunch of killers.

Exactly. Whereas we all know that typically the mom is like the number one presence that is trying to make these kids not get into that way of life, right? Sure, because, like, as bad as I was, like, I had the sweetest mother. Like, she wasn't, like, she wasn't in the streets, but, you know, I'm saying? She was of the streets, but my mother's sweet. She's not a gangbanger or none of that. And, like, you know, her kids, like, raise hell.

But, like, we didn't get it from her. Like, we didn't get that training from her. So basically, off that content that he had done, I think I had did, like, a reaction to that and spoke on it. And Adam, this. man never said nothing. I guess my numbers was too low then. You know a lot of YouTubers play them games

where they feel like they had a bigger platform and a smaller platform say something pertaining to them. Oh, I'm not about to answer back to that. So he don't say nothing about we spending that content. All of a sudden, six months down the line, you know what I'm going a little semi-viral, my number's going up, I'm popping.

Now my name is in his mouth. You know what I'm saying? Oh, you know, at F.A., he, he, you know what I said, this and said that. And then, you know what I'm saying? I still want to him because it was really funny to me. Like, oh, you know, it ain't, there ain't no problem. And then I really knew it was some fake smoke when y'all was doing the content,

you know what I said with Brick? And then he came out and was like, hey, man, I heard you're supposed to be interviewing. Oh, he said, no, I ain't, no, I wasn't interviewing anymore like that. And he was like, oh, yeah, I was going to tell you, don't do that interview. So when people start sending me that and I'm watching that, I'm like, man, what's up with this dude? I'm like, this dude, trap me. So you basically had like one video where you said something about him and he kind of turned that into a whole level of animosity in his head. Six months down the line, though.

Like you ain't saying nothing. When I did it, you said something four, five months down the line. Like, but like, yeah, it ain't no smoke. Like, it ain't know. I don't know why he keep on like coming with that narrative. Like, like, it's some smoke, bro. We do not have no problem. Like, bro, if I see you, bro, like, bro, like, bro, what's up?

Mm-hmm. Man, regular. Bro, like, come on, bro. Like, I know what it is. bro, like you ain't no op of mind, bro, like you ain't nobody I beef with, bro, this shit. What people got to understand and definitely what I don't understand

from a person coming from him, bro, I'm a dude from the streets, bro. You're a real content creator, bro. And like, you troll. I don't really troll. You troll people. You spend narratives and content. So, like, when somebody do some content on you,

how the hell you're going to get mad? Then if somebody just, like, come and do, like, some nasty, like, and just say some shit that's, like, untrue and just like trying to go crazy on you talking about your family and then i can understand that but i don't think i said no shit out the ordinary like shit regular shit it is funny with flaco because like from the very beginning of him being out here he had a lot of people telling him like just don't be

so free with how you're talking about la street shit and there was time periods where it felt like he was really avoiding it but then i feel like at a certain point he just couldn't avoid it and he just kept going with it but yeah he's definitely you know deals with the reality of the fact that there's You know, it's definitely an important factor that he's black because it feels like that makes people want to hold them to the fire a little bit more than they would with somebody like me, I think. But then also he's like from North Dakota. He's definitely not from L.A.

Nobody thinks of him in that light. So it's kind of a tricky balance for him. But for sure, I've told him plenty of times. Like, when it comes to like really intense shit in L.A., like, you know, maybe you could talk about it, but you don't really want to be the first person to talk about. You don't want to break the news about some shit that nobody knows about because then you really are putting yourself out there as the person who's going to be taking all of the damage as a result. And even with that, like, I don't even got a problem with that. Like, I don't look, even if you're

a gang banker or not, like, I don't got a problem with nobody talking about gang content. Like, gangs is everywhere. Like, that shit is a lifestyle. That's what's going on. So I don't, I don't even got a problem with him breaking gang news. Like, my only thing, like I said, It was just like the hypocrisy for me of him, like, saying that all, like, their mothers shouldn't receive no money and all. I said, I was just like, damn, like, bro, kind of going too far. You feel me and then? You know, you hanging out with people like, P-Nice and certain dudes.

Like, bro, like, come on. So that's just what it was for me. But it wasn't, like, nothing personal. Like, I probably did one segment. I probably got two segments on him. I did that segment back then and then when he said some stuff pertaining to me, or they sent that segment with y'all talking i did a segment after that but other than that bro i got six segments on way more dudes like whack and other dudes like and they don't like we know i'm

not ops with them so how the hell i'm a opportunity come on like bro this is this is a content space bro like you know and that's what i just think he need to understand like anybody that's creating content and that's in this content space you got to understand what's content you know what's said and like definitely when you trolling and you spending content you can't get on this net and spend content and be mad with somebody spending some goddamn content on you that's like me being mad when i put myself out here and i start doing content i put myself out here for the people to do content on me as well and i can't be mad then if you say some bullshould or say some shit that ain't true of course a motherfucker gonna be mad or answer i can understand that but like i said i didn't

say nothing crazy you know what for you to feel like all right like oh you're hop or i can't be in the built it with him. Like, man, bro, just stop it, bro. We're straight, bro. Like, I'm not tripping with you, bro. You're reminding me when Brick accused Flocko with being from Long Beach now, which is a funny concept

to just imagine Flaco. Like, that's his motherland all of a sudden. Yeah, Pete Nice and him, man. My boy Pete Nice and them, man, and tucked him up under the wing, man. What I'm saying? It was training. He and stuff was in the gym with him,

man. Flaco. I don't know what happened to that. I don't even know if he's actually been to Long Beach. Oh, he had to bend to Long Beach. P. Nice ain't take him to Long Beach. All that hanging out, they was doing a little bit. I mean, there was like a short period of Flocko was saying, like, yeah, I'm going to work out for two hours every morning with P. Nice and Long Beach. And then I'm going to go to this spot in the IE and do this kind of training.

And then I'm like, bro, what are you talking about? Like, this is way too much for you to actually be committing to as a person who's never had a real intense workout regiment going. Yeah, why you keep avoiding the flock, it was a few places I'm supposed to show the up. Oh, yeah. Shut up at it. Oh, yeah. Like, oh, uh, uh, like, I got to do some. I'm like, man, this dude crazy.

Like, man, it's not that serious, bro. I'm not even tripping with you, bro. Like, I'm going to talk to him. We got to bring y'all together. I ain't know that with you, bro. Cut that out, bro. You, you a content creator, bro, just like I create content, bro. Like, I ain't say you was a, you mess with boys, or you suck.

I ain't say nothing crazy about you, bro, for you to be in your feelings like this, bro. Like, you cut that. And he couldn't even get that mad, but if you did say some shit like that, because he out here calling DW Daddy Flames. on the podcast and shit. Like he knows what he's doing. He'll say some super such shit to get a reaction and have a funny moment. And I see like so if I was for real op and I was on you,

it's a lot of shit I can spend content on that people say me. You're talking about that you and did some crazy stuff. I just look at it and laugh though. But no, it ain't no flaco straight, man. I ain't no problem with old flaco, man. Definitely. All right. So I know you went into detail about this in the past and stuff.

But, well, I guess, okay, let's do like a quick version of your, upbringing before we get to like the federal indictment and all this stuff that kind of leads to you becoming a YouTuber. So you just would you like how would you describe like your teenage years when you're in high school and all that kind of stuff like what kind of dude you were and how

deep in the streets you were versus also doing school and whatnot. So shit I was neck deep in the streets like from like the time I hopped off the porch you like start gang banging from A. Tray you know what I'm saying? Like man like should I had um

shit the normal childhood of somebody said from South Central LA, you feel me. I went to school. I was game back in with the school. That's one thing. I liked the school. I liked academics. History was one of my favorite subjects, social studies and stuff like that.

So, you know, I went to school, play sports. And then, like, after school, like, I was to the hood, you know, on the block, Florence of Normandy, you know, Florence Normandy famous for the 92 riots where they hit original Denny with the brick. I used to be home on Florence and Normandy back then as a kid, you know what I'm saying? Pitching rocks. you know what I'm saying stuff like that but um shit I'm mad I did it like you like I did everything you can do out of the street so it's just like oh so you know it was in and out of jail you

I'm saying I was going to school every time I got out of jail I was in school I was in and out of jail shit so juvenile hall I did every juvenile hall been in um lost peddino's juvenile hall Seilmore juvenile hall central juvenile hall I did four cat programs I was in um Malibu, if you've seen the movie Gritiron Gang? Oh, I haven't. With the rocket exhibit. So boom, that, that's a cap out there, Malibu. That's a sports cap.

I was in there. I played football. And I was in a clap Cleopatra, Cap Miller, Ben and Challenger's challengers. Camp, that's a cap in a lockdown cap. That's in Lancaster behind Lancaster prison. Camp Scobie, Camp Jarvis, just like been to C-Y. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, I was like my whole time, like as an adolescence, it was just, you know,

back and forth, you know, say, in and out of jail, shit from BFMA, Trey, from game, making the stuff like that, catching cases, whether it be a gun case, me, shit, and a stolen car. Man, I fought all type of cases. Okay, looking at it as an adult, what do you see as being your motivation as a younger dude to be so deep in the streets

and to keep doing all this illegal shit? Like, do you feel like you were trying to, you know, like compensate for, you know, not necessarily having that structure? You didn't feel like you had a future for yourself or when you look at it. It was more like you were just trying to get by. So when led me to the streets, all right. So what led me to the streets is my father.

So I had both parents in the house, you know, I had my mother and my father. But, you know, my father, he got Texas roots, you know what I'm saying? He came down here to California like in the early 60s, you know, said. He came down here to California, you feel me? So my father was like a real discipline. So like coming up, my father used to whip my ass. Like I used to get an ass with, like with anything. Like, I get an ass with them with belts, switches, weight belt.

Like, you know, my father had a real, like, low tolerance. You feel me? He was real strict. So, you know, I wasn't used to that shit, you feel me? I wasn't seeing other people, parents and the people who did have their fathers around. I wasn't seeing their fathers, like, acting like that. So, like, I started, like, feeling like that shit was abuse. So at that young age, I start formatting in my mind that, you know, shit, he don't like me.

or like he got some against me. So, you know, with all of my ass weapons, I started to rebel against him and me rebelling against him led me to the street. So, you know, I just, you know, I guess I seek refuge, you know, in the streets. It wasn't necessarily our own. I wasn't one of those people who joined the gang for protection or, you know, got forced on.

Like, you know, I was already like, you know, I was bad as a kid coming up, you know what I'm saying, doing doing, you know, regular shit. But, you know, I was bad getting in trouble with school like that, fights and stuff like that. So it was just like, you know, rebelling against my father. So, you know, I rebelled against him, turned towards the streets. And then once I turned towards the streets, you know, you know, I took that back home, you know. And how much knowledge about the streets did your dad have?

Was he kind of oblivious or was he someone who, like, knew too much about it? He was a street person. He was a street person, you know, like he was a street person as well, too. When he came down here from Texas to California, like he was in the streets, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, a player dude, you know, get money type dudes, you know, saying and stuff like that, you know. Was he looking at the LA Street gang banging shit? Like this was like the ultimate thing that he wanted to keep you away from?

Looking back at it, that's what I came to the terms with and had a conversation with him with. So basically him disciplining me and the stuff that he was, you know what I'm saying doing, he was basically trying to deter me from going towards the streets of being bad or making the wrong choices but I end up making all those wrong choices by way of the disciplinary tactics he had anyway you know what I'm saying because it was just like you know if he would have been regular you know what I'm saying like do I think I would have like big game begging anything like that it still could have happened but more than not likely I probably wouldn't even trip because like I said I was already bad anyway like you know my first name used to ring bells I was that little kid that

people used to be like hey stay away mama stay away from whoop you know what I'm saying so it was just like I really didn't need no gang. Me going towards the gang was like me rebelling against my father. Like, man, you know, I'm about to do this. You know, I'm about to make my own way. Like, and this might rock the passage of being a man, you know, and then, you know, start carrying weapons. So, you know, once I start carrying that weapon, I couldn't beat him, you know,

at that time. So it's just like, you know, in my mind, I format, you know, this weapon to beat you, you know, I'm saying. So, you know, we got into it. So one day we got into it, you know, he tried to come with a disciplinary tactic for something that happened at school. And, you know, I said something back. And it's surprised and we started arguing.

And he was like, you know, hit me with the line. I brought you in. And I take you out. I'm like, what? And I'm like, should, I take you out? And he's like, what? He's like, you ain't got no gun. And I'm like, I do got a gun.

He's like, I'll take you to go get your gun. So the whole time I was going to this little continuation. And it was like in a hundred. You know, there was like our rival enemy. So, you know, I was up there every day. You know what I'm saying with my little tool and my backpack and stuff just in case, you know, said anything got ugly. So, you know, at this time, I got this, you know what I'm saying?

Gun in my backpack. I'm saying that my mom's car. You know what I'm saying in the trunk? So we arguing, he tells me he going to take me to the gun. He walked me downstairs, walked me to the trunk of the car, popped the trunk. I grabbed my backpack. He let me grab a backpack and everything. I guess he's still thinking I'm faking. So when I unzipped the backpack, I go in a backpack to pull out the gun. When he see the handle of the gun, he instantly bomb rush and he tackled me. So when he tackled me, we both fall. He fought on top. He fought on the gun. He fought on top of me, I let the backpack go. The backpack slide across the parking lot. God slide out the backpack. By this time from us arguing and us walking down, walking down to the parking lot, I'm not knowing

my mama. She's listening in there. She in the house in the room. She followed us down to the parking lot. So I just remember hearing her voice like, hey, D'Andre, you know what I'm saying? So my boy, rest in peace, D'Andre, he was out there. My mama had grabbed the gun in the backpack and picked it up and handed it to him. Like, here, take this. So by this time, I'm on the ground. My pops on top of me and he's trying to go to the back of his dicky pants pocket he always kept a box cutter he pulling a box cutter out so as he put a box cutter i'm squirmering from under him right before he can like push it up i get from under him and i hop up and i run towards my boy dandre and i run right to him and i grab a gun and when i grab a gun and i turn and look towards my pops you're saying he's

striking across the parking lot you know what i'm saying so i run fake run towards him like a three me you know what I'm saying, and he'd get on, you know, next thing, you know, the neighbors, you know, everybody who's seen it out there was like an 81 unit apartment complex, like a little mini project housing. A lot of people was looking at their window, see what's going on, somebody called the police. You think he really would have gave you a buck 50 right then and there? Yeah, my pop's crazy. Hell, yeah.

For sure, that'd be such a crazy. Because, you know, anybody who got that scar or whatever got to tell the story for the rest of their life and having to explain that you got up in your dad is like crazy. moment in conversation right there. Man, for sure. Like, yeah, it probably would have went there, man. Like I said, like I told me, like, I used to be whooping my ass.

I wouldn't put it past him. But, you know, that moment right there. So that happened. I didn't go home that night. But the next night I went home. You know, I'm saying? And just like, you know, kind of from that moment, period, you know, like that was that,

that was, you know what I'm saying, the line drawn in the sand, you feel me? But with the line being drawn in the sand, I always kept it respectful. It was just like for me, to him like that ass whipping shit disciplinary shit that shit out but I always been a respectful kid like even though I was in the streets gang bang and acting up like my parents wouldn't see that shit they'd just hear about it like you're saying but like I always been respectful I never

came in the house game bang per familiar game bang per finnaia having shit out and shit like that I always kept it respectful so just like definitely for my mama you know what I'm saying so just like with him it was just like my right to pass like I'm a man like you you have forced me into an early man and this is what it is. Like I ain't going to be disrespectful, but that ass whipping shit and shit you doing that shit is out. Right. Yeah.

Did you and your dad like kind of reconcile your relationship at a certain point? Or how long did it take? Probably years like my, probably when I got in my teenage years. Probably like, I think by like, I think probably by like when I was like 18, I was in Pelican Bay. And I remember writing my letter like, you know, I was just up there. You know what I'm saying? And just out of nowhere, like the realization came.

came over me, you know what I'm saying? And it could have just been like, you know, like just like from growth, like reading books and just, you know, going through his trials and tribulations. And like I fostered in my mind and I understood at that point in time and moment, I'm like, damn, you know what I'm saying? All that shit my father was doing, that's probably the way he learned. That's probably the way his parents parented and he adapted to it. You know what I'm saying?

So, you know, that's like the saying. Apple don't fall far from the tree. And some people break generational curses, but not everybody. So that's like you coming up in the household and you seeing how your mother and father parented. And I'm pretty sure you took some of them qualities, definitely if it was some good qualities. Yeah. But the qualities, my dad was brought upon me.

I knew right then and there at a young age that I wasn't going to parenting like that. Like, he learned that from his dad. And like, I just wrote him and had a conversation. with him like man I forget you know I understood you know I finally understand that I you probably am saying went through that and that's probably how your father or your parents treated you and he got back at me like man like yeah you absolutely right like you know his daddy was a police officer in Texas so he was like you know coming up he like man my father was a real disciplinary he like man my father used to whip my ass for anything so he's like man one day

he's like man I'm like I got a girl at the house you know I'm about to you'm saying get some I'm thinking my pop's gonna be proud of me that you know I'm about to get somebody to get now He's like, man, he busted a room, man. Like, embarrass me, whoop my ass all in front of the female and all type of shit. So I'm like, damn. So, like I said, he took the qualities of his father and that was his parenting. But I knew right then and there, like, shit, I'm not going to be that way with my kids, though.

You feel me? So, like, I definitely, like, broke that shit. Like, my oldest daughter, like, I'll be whooping my youngest daughter. And it's like, like, like, like, pats, like on the butt. But, like, my oldest daughter, like my 12-year-old, she ain't never had a whooping. Yeah. She ain't never had a whoop. No, yeah, no, because there's so many things that my parents, like,

normalized in my head in terms of, like, what parenting is. And then my girl actually, like, listens to parenting podcasts, and she reads parenting books and she subscribes all these Instagram channels and shit. So, like, a lot of, and I know she kind of holds it against me sometimes that I'm not, like, actively seeking out information about parenting because she sees the way that I get obsessed with so much random. shit. I think in her mind it's like, oh, so you're going to sit in the living room watching Aunt HFa content for three hours last night, but you're not, you know, you're not going to

take the same consideration to be interested in like parenting type shit. But yeah, there's like a lot of things where she kind of will just point out like, you know, you can't just expect like, like in my mind, like you've got to be hardcore with the kid, meaning like it's time to brush your teeth. You want to put up a fight that you say you're not going to put you. Well, guess what? what we're brushing those teeth and I don't care if I got to keep you in a little headlock here, I'm brushing the teeth, you know, and to me that just makes sense and she's like,

she'll give me other, but she'll be like, listen, I don't have a problem getting her to brush her teeth or getting her to do stuff typically because I'll kind of make it seem fun. I'll turn it into a little bit of a game. I'll be like, I bet you I'll rush you, I'll race you to the bathroom or some shit like that

that to me it's more like, nah, like I got to just be hardcore. I got to just like make sure we get this shit done as fast as possible, well, hey, you're not going to get any bedtime stories if you keep up this bullshit, you know? And like, to me, that just makes sense. And, like, I'm still kind of trying to, like, unlearn some of the stuff that I was doing when I was younger. I learned when I was younger. Yeah, being stirred, being stir.

So, like, that's how I be happy to kind of be with my youngest daughter because, like, so it would be something like that, like, her mama, I want to do her hair or be, like, brush your teeth. And she wanted to kind of, like, play around and jump around and stuff. You got to tell her too many times. my oldest is like you ain't going to have to tell her no more than two times or one time. I ain't do this and she's going to get right to it to where the youngest, she's just like, aha, everything,

a game. And that's probably what you want to kind of come with the concept of her, making a game or sing alone. Like, hey, let's go brush teeth and do this. Baby shark, you know what I'm saying? Brush teeth and all that.

He's like, ah, but I think it's kind of like, you know, being stern as like a man nature to where a woman is more like loving. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I mean,

even with that, like, you know, my girl has explained. to me that like a four-year-old straight up doesn't understand that their behavior right now affects how things are going to go an hour or two later. So if you're telling her like, hey, we're not doing bedtime stories an hour from now because you're not brushing your teeth right now.

It's like these events are so separate in their mind that they really like almost don't have the brain power to understand the connection. So you can't like hold them to that standard. You know, if you're going to take something away, it has to be something right then because they can understand the moment. They don't understand that, like, right now affects an hour and a half from now. But it's tricky. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It'd be tricky, though, because, like, you write. But sometimes, I'd, like, it'd be tricky because I'd just be tripping, like, off. The kids just growing up now, I kind of think, like, they kind of, like, smarter and more advanced than the generations before them because I'd just be tripping out watching my youngest, like, the stuff she'd be saying, like, when she was two, like, she just came out one day. chilling with me on the couch, chilling. And she was just like, hey, dad. And I'm like, what's up?

She's like, what's your name? I'm like, what? She's like, what's your name? I'm like, dad, she's like, no, what's your name? And I told her my real name. And like from that day forward, she remembered my real name. Yeah. And just like stuff like that.

I'm just like, damn, man, too, I wasn't doing that. Like, it's just an ice. So it just be like, you know, certain stuff that'd be fascinating. Like, sometimes it'd be just be like, man, hold on. like, man, is you being tricky and then you got a foster in like, well, hold on, she is three or she is four and stuff like that. You know, but that's the thing is that when I read stories

about people from the 90s and shit and, you know, I grew up in the 90s too. It's like an 18 year old kid who was 18 in 1991 versus an 18 year old kid in 2025 who actually like knows how to use the internet, who knows how to look up information, etc. it's it's like prehistoric man versus the Jetsons because it was so hard to figure out how to do anything in the 90s when you didn't have you know chat gbt never mind google never mind all this shit and it's like sometimes when i'm having conversations with dudes like from my era like

you know i come from the bmx world and it's like that that shit was just so hard for us to figure out how to get through life or how to make something out of yourself whereas Bikes? Yeah, yeah, yeah, for like 20 years. All the motherfuckers, all the reps, all that shit, doing tricks and shit? Yeah, we were doing tricks, yeah. Yeah, I'll show you some footage. Yeah, yeah.

For sure, for sure. No, I ain't gonna lie. Look, it was crazy because I was laughing right because, like, like, four extras, like, boom, we the same age, like, same age group and shit. It was funny. I was seeing, I was watching, like, some footage of y'all, like, I'm saying, backstage, where you, him and I think y'all, I think y'all was doing, like the, video with a X-4. And he was on the skateboard.

And coming up, like, even like, when I first start game-bagging, I was still in my skateboard like phase. Tony Park Pro Skater.

I used to know how to kick-flip, Ali, all that shit. I don't know if I can still do it now, but it was just funny watching 4-X trying to do a kick-flip. And I'm not, I remember when I had I can do a kick-flip

and land that, you know, I'm saying. It's funny, too, because I don't think they realized that they were trying to do a kick-flip on a skateboard with no grip tape, which is like,

that doesn't really happen typically like typically you need grip tape to do like anything you got to grip it for sure they were going for it though they were trying it like really really hard that day um most definitely okay so at what point like okay if i had asked you at 18 because you're in pelican bay at 18 yeah i got a kicked out of y a okay so that's like one of the scariest prisons in america and you were in there at 18 did that feel crazy or did it feel normal to you by that point so So this is how it was for me. So being in jail, I was spending a lot of time in jail.

So I was trying to make the best of my situation. So like, for me, jail was schooling. Like when I was in jail, jail was schooling, you know what I'm saying, to where other people was on the streets, you know what I'm saying, going to school or game banging, trying to acquire their reputation. You know what I was going to jail, the reputation didn't stop. So as far as being a top tier of crib, you know, you had to read, you know, he was prone to violence, you know, handling your business and stuff like that.

So when I got to Pelican Bay, I ain't going to lie. That was like equivalent, like to me graduating going to like Yale or some shit. You feel me? Like boom, like, oh, I like Pelican Bay. Like, yeah, boom, I made it here. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, when you like at that, like, like, when you gang banging and like you don't understand at that time, you know what? Because at that time, like, everything was A.

Tray Gaines. So I don't have no understanding of understanding I have now. Like, you feel me? Like, I probably didn't think I was going, you know what I'm saying? Make it to a certain age. You feel me? Like, for real, for real. So just like me, make it to the Pelican Bay.

Like, no, I wasn't scared. Like, I embraced it. Like, yeah, like, should I'm here? And any violence that coming with it, like, should I'm get with it? Like, that's how I was. If I had asked you at 18, what do you see yourself doing with your life? Did you have hopes and dreams of really making something out of yourself? Or at that point were you still too stuck in the street shit and you couldn't really see past it?

stuck in the street since and I ain't going to even say I couldn't see past it I wasn't trying to look past it I wasn't trying to look past it but once I start gathering information and I start having a better understanding for life you know saying that I start

having a better respect for life and shit wanted to travel and be I'm saying cultural like that's what the motherfucker's start respect this shit more like man like shit it's more to it than shit ain't trade like it's more to it than this gang shit than LA once me going out to Washington as well going to Washington being in Idaho going to

Idaho Lake having fun dealing with women out there you'm saying going down to Montana that whole Pacific Northwest experience and then you know saying going down to Atlanta you'm saying when little sodi rest in peace was messing with GZ you see down there so me traveling that kind of like opened up my mind too more of me getting that money and traveling like so it's like now I'm having money I'm young I'm having money like and this ain't no regular money. I'm in a town to where you making $20,000 and $50,000

a day. Your head up just like, damn. So it's just like, you know, with that growth got to come. Like, I can't stay. You're in a place where like all the L.A. politics don't really matter anymore. And it's like, you grow up in L.A. in the streets and it's like, you just feel like this is everything. Exactly. And it's like,

it's such a small world. But it's like you have to understand it if you want to survive. And then once you start to travel the world and stuff, like I've had a lot of people that I talked to over the years where I realized that that the world, it didn't take much to open the world up for them and make them realize that they could do something with themselves that was a lot bigger than their surroundings. Exactly. So that's just how it was for me.

Now, once I got the experience and once you start reading, because like I said, like, I love reading. Like, so once I got to start reading and I'm not just reading, like, I'm not, like, I got past the urban books quick. Like, I really want to read some shit with some substance. Like, you feel me? So I'm reading, Behold the pale white horse, you know? I'm reading like, like, shit that's going to have.

you thinking outside the box. I'm like, I'm reading political shit. You know what I'm saying? I'm reading shit that's going to like really have your mind thinking. You know what I'm saying? Just, you know, autobiography. So once you start reading, that's going to help you experience too. And then like for real, you're really going to want more.

Like just me going to jail, doing all that jail time, I should never institutionalize me. Like, you know, I was there like in mind, but in spirit like, I said, I was on the streets. And I couldn't just wait to get out. You know, it was always a phase for me. You know, I was going. I was going through this, but yeah, you know, it's just, you know, at Pelican Bay of 18, man, like I just, I, yeah, I couldn't, you know, I didn't, I didn't have the, I start gaining and capture the vision, you know,

to take me on the process that, you know what I'm saying, I'm trending on now, you know what I'm saying? Right, so, okay, you were doing all this time, would you think of the time period where you were going up to the Northwest and when you were making all this money, moving all these pills and everything, which we can get to? Was that kind of like an in-between phase in your life in the sense that you're not doing all these sort of like rinky dink crimes and shit? You're moving on to bigger things still like serious consequences, but you know, you're starting to see serious money.

So it's like it's actually seeming like it's worth your time to be taking these risks and shit. When did that whole part of your life take off? Because like, you know, there's well documented YouTube videos about the whole thing that you guys had going on. It must actually be kind of crazy of you because some of those videos only been out for like, six months or whatever and it really breaks shit down to the point where everybody can tell that you are not uh you know that you were really doing shit so like uh yeah the paperwork public knowledge though so like the thing is like even with the indictment like so for like for me it ain't really they don't know when i went out there they don't know what time i went out there so they they they don't really

know what time i went out there so even like only thing they did have right before i went out there I was already making money off of that town before I even stepped out there. I was in L.A. making money. But just me and getting caught up in the shit that was going on to L.A. and the gang shit, you know, one of my bros had just got at me like, man, bro.

Like, bro, you got to get out the way, bro. Like, this shit, all this shit down here that's going on. You keep involving yourself in. Like, you keep putting your life on the line for the shit, bro. Like, you're going to be stuck, bro. Like, get some money. And then one of my other homies that called in, and he had just like, you know, an older homie.

that, you know, growing up, I had, you know, had a lot of profound respect for. He had just, like, told me a situation that happened. He, like, hey, look, bro, you know, he like, you know, you did everything you can do wrong in the streets, you know, you know, as far as like your gangsterism, bro, he like, bro, he's like, you know, now, he like, you know, you got to expand, you know what's saying? And I'm like, what you're talking about? He's like, bro, you got to go get some money.

You feel me? And then, you know, shit, I went and got some money and said, once I start getting the money, I start seeing the upside of that, feel me like? and that shit just like, you know, it was just really, like I was still in the streets, like, you know what I'm saying? Because every time I was still in LA, you know what I'm saying? I ain't going to lie. Like, I'll be looking at, so I'll be looking at these rappers, right?

Like, like dirt, you know what I'm saying? The young boys like them dudes, you feel? I'm looking at a lot of them, like, how they got money and still, you know, saying, wanted to involve their self or be involved in the street stuff. You know what I'm saying? I was a person that was involved in the street stuff. street stuff before the money. So when I was start getting the money, I was still involved in you and start making,

you know what I'm saying? Some of the wrong decisions, I'm saying? Because you feel in the power of that money. But, you know what I'm saying? Like, slowly for surety, like, once you see how that money coming in, you ain't going to have enough time to involve yourself in the bullshit. That's when you got to elevate your game and play a different position. That's why, like, I got to understand what they say is levels to this shit.

Like, if you was, you know what I'm saying, pop of your gun at Twitter. at 12, 13, 14, whatever, all through your 20s, like, man, you ain't going to be doing that shit up in your 30s or in certain ages, man, you got to play a different position, man. Like, you know, that's part, you'm saying, or if you have said, you have said, you am saying, you understand? Because, okay, the picture that some of these documentaries about your past and shit kind of painted, it just sounds like a crazy scenario because you go up to a town, to an area in the northwest, are you mostly like servicing, you know,

like crackheads and shit, or is it more like college kids, normal people? College kids. I don't look, man, I should be on Gonzaga campus,

but it ain't just college kids. So it's the whole town. Like working class people, these oxy cotton pills, regular people is doing it. This ain't like, it's like you selling no cracker crystal meth. Right.

So like you dealing with that got money, it'd be a probably work here at no jumper. That's in your position. For sure there's some oxy heads around here. You feel? It'll be a motherfucker your position because like I was dealing with like

with like when my people who owned shit that was just like hey man I need some pills coming to buy pills and shit and I'm sure that shit is still big but like you rewind the clock

to like the 2010's and the oxy cone and shit was like all you would hear about when it came to fangs and now you're having a fendent all the time but oxies oxies that's all you would hear about and the prices were crazy

you'd be hearing about like oh an 80 milligram oxy is like $100 and shit like that $125 shit like that for sure hell yeah that to where they had to like make them to where you couldn't even chop them up anymore smoke them or smoke them or shoot them up you feel me like so they turned the OCs and the OPs and then people start messing with the oxycodos the oxy 30s you know what I'm

so like yeah man um every the whole time was messing with them like it like it wasn't like you was messing with no crackheads I ain't even lie probably me seeing somebody that was like bummed out smoked out coming up to me would have turned me off like right him I'm saying so you was dealing like college, working class people, just regular people was coming like to get them off of you for real. Did it feel crazy because you're going up there, I'm assuming that it's a small percentage of black people in these towns? Like, do you feel like you stand out like kind of a sore thumb and like the cops sort of know what you're getting into just by looking at you? See, all right, so in Washington is definitely a Spokane. Spokane is probably like the percentage.

Like, it's a lot of black people up there. like blacks and whites, the percentage like even out to where like, I think the mixed population is more than the actual black and white population because, you know, blacks and white up there, blacks and whites up there made a lot. Okay.

So it's like I was sticking out, but I was sticking out on the basis because of I don't look like the blacks from up there. Exactly, yeah. You feel me? They can tell me. Like you got a different swag. You got a bunch of tattoos and shit too.

So it's like, you know, the cops like thinking about they look at these people. Every day all day. They kind of know what they're looking at. For sure. And I'm coming up there. And like by that time, I was going up there, like, I wasn't dressing like a gay but it's like I'm coming from a big city.

So if you're coming from a city like a L.A. or New York, you got like a different swag. You're coming up here and shit with red monkey jeans, polo, evisoo, different shit that they really don't have up here. They got to go to Seattle for this shit. So just seeing your swag and how you walk and talk. And like, so people used to hear me talk. It's like, even like just meeting women and all.

I'm like, oh my God, you're not from me. her like, no, like, you different from the black eyes from my beer. And I'm like, all right. So, like, yeah, definitely, you definitely do, you know what I'm saying, stick out. But it's been dudes in L.A. probably since like the late 80s up there and stuff, you know what I'm saying? But just by way of people overdosing in the epidemic that became of these pills out here, you what I'm saying?

Like, it created a big indictment. They got a big indictment. Like, shit, a big ass 62 men indictment out of us for sure. And looking back on. it were you totally oblivious to a lot of the different things that the cops were doing to basically track shit that was going on because in some of these videos i seen they break down all the different things that the the cops were doing where they were you know intercepting a package that was being sent through the mail they would report on it and then still let the

package go through basically just to build like the biggest possible case and shit yeah so we so we was oblivious to that yeah but certain people was getting caught with money and wasn't saying nothing, you know what I'm saying? Like, homies, like, you know, you're not going to know if they check and see a package and let it go through because you got the package. You're going to feel like you pass off. I got it through, you know what I'm saying? So the first time, like, I remember becoming aware of that is with my bro, you know,

and my brother, you know, rest in peace, my bro, Tuddy Sodie, me and him, I had had some business going on, and he had, like, a little friend of his come out of town. So she come out of town to pick some brand up for us. to take back to L.A. But while she's doing the pickup, you know what I'm saying she doing a little drop off or whatever. So when she left us, she stole some pills from us.

But we had so many pills. We didn't even know she stole the pills from us. She stole like 300, 400, 400 pills from us. We didn't even know it was missing. She's going back transporting the money. They searched through her luggage. They don't even find the money. The money good put away.

They find the pills. pull her up on the pills Yeah And then she gets scared Tell them about the money Let them know where the money at We took that loss When we took that loss

I'm like oh that's kind of ugly We didn't know about the pills With just the money It was like man they got that money I'm like man they should they might Kind of own or something And then like one thing about the fans too Like right before they about to like move in

And get you Usually they're going to start peeping their heads You're going to start seeing signs They're going to start popping up You're going to see little cars Follow you It's going to be a lot of little weird stuff going on.

So I did start experiencing a lot of weird stuff. And then some of my homies was experiencing stuff. And like, man, this just happened. And then, like, I don't even lie. They start capping out. Like, right, probably like a month before they got us, like three weeks before they got us, they started capping out right in our hood on 83rd in Raymond.

It was like two white boys in an unmarked car to where like some crazy. Like that car was capping out right there a lot to where like some crazy stuff almost happened to where the homies was like, man, hold on, bro. Y'all tripping, bro. Like, it's some white boys in that car. bro, that's the feds. You know what I'm saying?

So, like, yeah, it'd be, they definitely got, like, little tactics, but, like, no, we didn't know nothing about them peeking at the money until we got our discovery and stuff like that. But, like I said, I even had a situation with them going through the airport. Really? One day I was going back with 80 bands. They stopped me at LAX.

I grabbed my stuff off the turnpike walking. They come out of nowhere at TSA. Hey, can we check your luggage? I'm like, check my luggage for what? They're like, we just want to check your luggage. So I'm like, nah. So it was like, why we can't check your luggage? I'm like, out of everybody in this airport, man, y'all just coming to me.

I'm like, man, it's a million people here. So I'm like, oh, you're going to start the race day? I'm like, I just say nothing about no race. I just said it's a billion people here. Why y'all want to check my luggage? So they're like, man, look, we just want to check it. So as I'm going back and forth for TSA, they supervisor walk up. She's like, man, how you doing, sir?

I'm like, all right, how you doing? She's like, all right, all right, you know, long day, blah, blah, She's like, look, we know you probably had a long day. We got a long day. You know you ain't got nothing in the bag. We know, we know you ain't got nothing to the bag. You mind if we just peeped. I'm like, I do mine.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, no, y'all not peeping in my bag. But I'm like, just let me hit my lawyer and let me ask him if it's okay if you ought to look in there. If he said, yeah, you know what? I'll let you all. She's like, you know what? She's like, have a nice day. Once I got at that airport, but I never caught a flight out there again.

I should just start driving. I'm like, oh, that was weird. Like, I wasn't feeling it. I'm like, I'm gonna just start driving after this. I ain't even about to go through that or going through those airports and getting stopped and trying to lose no money and nothing like that. Because shit, on the one with the girl I caught with the pill,

said I already had lost $50,000 on that. So it's like, I ain't trying to keep losing no money and trying to make up for this shit. Would you say you were keeping your criminal behavior, like, relatively secret, or was it the kind of thing where, like, people in L.A. kind of knew that you had shit going on because he's talking about losing $50,000. I'm assuming that you were driving.

driving around in something nice, you were probably wearing nicer clothes and whatnot. I feel like a lot of times it's hard to kind of keep that sort of secret to yourself. Yeah, people knew. So, I mean, some people did know. Yeah, you can't hide driving up. You're putting it up in business. You're putting it up in portions. Everybody you with, you, you were five people, you know what I'm saying?

Five. Hey, ain't a normal thing to see no 10, 15 game. It was all in luxury cars, you know, said, bust down, chains, rowdies and all that. They know you're up to something. Yeah. So, of course, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, on, basis but you still don't know what's going on because you're not in this little thing of ours so if you're not like from the gang or you're not gay and still even if you is from the

gang even within the gang you know it's still certain clicks and section so if you're not privy to certain things you're not privy to it yeah you might know i'm getting some money and you might know i'm in smoke okay but you but see my thing is about that indictment too right i wish i would have took it the trial it didn't take my time because my lawyer had told me that it was for sure, big possibility that if I had went to trial and lost, I would have got under the tiered deal that I took because they didn't have too much

relevant conduct on me like, and I could have showed in trial that I'm not, I'm not, I'm not saying I'm not guilty of selling oxy cotton pills. What I'm telling y'all is that I'm not on this A-Tray gangster indictment that's I'm trying to place me on because I really was out there doing my own thing.

Now, when I went out there initially, it was by way of A-Tray gangers, but that shit was only for like two weeks. I instantly, once I see what was going on, I instantly brushed off and did my own thing. It was on the other side of town doing my own shit. So I just felt like I should have just had a separate indictment by myself. Because, like, I put a motherfucker on the indictment.

Well, a lot of people I don't even do it, don't deal with it, just because somebody called my phone and they phone tapped and they asked me for a key or asked me, can I pull up here? And we from A, Trey Gaines says, oh, I'm on what they own and doing what they're doing. So just that word conspiracy, how they tie you into conspiracy and how they're able to play the game

with conspiracy is it's a cold game. No, for sure. Was that on the advice of your lawyer that you took that deal? No, I took it because this is what happened, so really they had offered me six years. I was one of the first people they came to.

So if that six years, I probably would have been out like in three. So I didn't even have to take the 10 years. What happened with the 10 years was we had a Franks motion, coming up. So the Franks motion was for the wire-tap phone calls. So we had over a million phone calls, over a million phone calls.

So we already knew that going through the discovery, breaking stuff down, sharing information between lawyers and with each other that they had did a lot of things ethical. And the way that they had tapped these phones was illegal. Right. They only had an arrest warrant to tap one phone. They had seven phones tapped. They should have had seven arrest warrants, separate arrest warrants. You got to have an arrest warrant for each phone you got tapped.

What they did was went to a judge, got an arrest warrant for one phone, and off that one arrest warrant, tap seven phones. Off the back, all those phone counts should have been throughout. Now, this, when I understood, who the Feds was and how they was coming and how they was planning that the federal judge

is like the closest thing to God on this earth because you can't do nothing. You can't even file the lawsuit. The only thing that can dispel them is a panel of their own. Like they can do whatever the they want to do in that courtroom

unethical. It don't matter. And I've seen that. So we in the courtroom, we go to the Franks motion. You know, everybody like, man, we're about to get it throughout.

Even I think the prosecution kind of thing, that it was going to get through out because it was the right thing to do. They start coming to everybody offering everybody these deals. People turn the deals down. Like, no, we go to this Franks motion. I got to throw them calls out. We go to the Frank motion. They get the

DA agent on the stand. Lawyers talking to him, you know what I'm saying? Chopping him up, man, like, you know, penal code this, you know what I'm saying? Quoting their low laws at him and they like to sum everything but they like, so is it right to say that all these phone calls, except for that one phone,

was illegally done. And the DA just said, correct. I should have had an arrest warrant. For every phone I had a tap, I only had one arrest warrant. You know, what I did was an unethical practice, but it was a lot going on. I was just trying to get what I could get at the time, blah, j, blah. So right there, we're expecting a judge to throw it out.

You know what the judge said? The judge, this was the judge said. Me up. The judge said, look. this is my courtroom. He said, I don't care who y'all call. Y'all can call the ACOU. Y'all can call the attorney general.

Y'all can call who y'all want to call. This is my courtroom. I'm not throwing nothing out. It's over a million phone calls. Y'all can take that up in the pill. But I seen that. That f***ed me up. I'm like, all this shit, Kangaroo court.

I actually called my lawyer over. Like, hey, look, tell him, let me get that six. I'm out of here. He'd tell them, they're like, all right, we're going to get back to y'all. week. Week later, they came back with the deal was 10 years.

I'm like, what? They went up. Like, yeah, being at that motioning going on your favor, they went up. So my lawyer, he's like, man, fuck all that. He's like, man,

let's go to trial. You're going to get under that 10 years, even if you lose trial. And I think you can beat them in trial because you can prove that you got on this at-ray gay cert indictment. Like, only thing, when I'm guilty of these dudes,

being my childhood friends and me growing up with these dudes, like even them, I wouldn't even get money with them. Like, these are my boys. Like when I'm out here, I'm on money, you feel me? I see y'all back in L.A. You know, we go to L.A.

Supper Club, Hollywood, you know, have fun. But out here, I'm on money. Like, you know, I stand in the house, getting money, you know, I'm saying, hit a little bar back to the house type situation. But when I seen that right there, man, I'm like, oh, yeah, the feds, it's a cold game, you know what I'm saying? So they went up to 10 years. My lawyer was ready to go to trial. I told him, no, I copped out to the 10 years. He was mad.

But I was like, in my mind, you know, me being. used to the state, me being a state. I had never seen no more case. They offer you this and didn't go up. Usually it go backwards. You know what I'm saying? So that had kind of like me up mentally. Then I'm like, bro, I ain't never heard of nobody losing trial and getting less time.

Would they be an offer of a deal? That didn't say right. So I'm thinking he was trying to get me. But like these is two different entities. So you know what I'm saying? Like that was just like another learning experience from me for sure. Definitely. So you ended up doing how many years as a result?

So I did off that, off the, 10, I did eight years or six months, and then I had got out. I was out for like 15 months, so I get out, I go to the halfway house. When I go to the halfway house, I start getting into it, the free staff in there. They was like tripping because, like, when I came home, like, you know, I'm fresh out just at the door that time, you know what I'm saying? Like, I ain't going to lie, you know, up in there. You know, I came home and probably like 80,000, you know what I'm saying?

Then, you know, like people coming looking out for me. So every day people bringing me close. old shoes you know I'm in there with Jerry and shit they see him up in here with what bust down diamonds shit they're looking like it started discouraging the staff so I started getting into it with them so from there they um put me on the ankle monitor let me go home I go home so I was going in there to drug test so like 30 days before I got off the ankle monitor they do some weird shit I go in there to piss on a Tuesday and go back to piss on a Thursday so they try to tell me

my Tuesday piss was good on my Thursday piss was dirty. So I'm like, that's false. I'm like, I can piss again. Like, I'm 30 days out this. Why? I can wait to smoke if I want to smoke. Like, I ain't been smoking nothing. It don't make no sense for me to piss. Thursday, clean. I don't need to come here Tuesday to piss dirty. So I'm going back and forth with them.

They wasn't trying to hear it. So they told me that they was, reprimitted me back to custody. I said, that's out. I snatched the ankle monitor off right there through that shit, walked about in the program, went on the run for like six months. They called me in Vegas. I come back from Vegas gambling. I hit Vegas for like 20 bands.

Come back, get caught on a freeway. Traffic stop. They stopped my folks. They got license, registration. They passport, everything on them. It's a traffic stop. The police trying to talk to me. I'm on the passenger side.

I'm like, man, you ain't even got no business talking to me. I'm like, that's a federal law. I'm like, that's a federal law. I don't have to say nothing to you. Why are you asking me my name? Man, tell me that all. Yeah, that's an old law. He said, that don't stand in Nevada.

I said, that's a federal law, bro. That's in every state, bro. It's a traffic stop. I don't have to talk to you. This person has license registration, everything. What's going on? I go back and forth for him on the side of highway for like a hour. I finally give him my name.

The warrant pop up, they arrest me, take me to jail. I go to Perup out there in Vegas. Stay out there like 30 days. They bring me down here to MDCLA. I go there and beat the case. Beat the, um, they try to give me an escape. I beat the escape. judge asked me what happened. I keep it real with her,

give her the whole run that I'm giving you like, man, look, I just got out from doing eight years. They tell me they tried to lock me up for a dirty I don't got. So I said, well, yeah, what they expected me to go through this process? No, I cut the ankle matter off and left. So she was like she understood. She threw the case out. They wasn't expecting a judge to throw the case out because I could have been three years. She threw it out.

They're supposed to release me, hell me six months overtime, sent me to a general population yard for 30 days. And then on Valentine's, they gave me an immediate release. of nowhere. Damn. So would you say that you came out of this determined to have a more law-abiding life? Or did it in some way kind of turn you up and make you want to, you know, continue to do stuff? Because I'm sure you learned a lot while you're going through all this.

But then also you probably don't want to go back. What's your mentality at that point? Man, definitely good on jail. You feel me? Or everything good on jail. You know what I'm saying? So like, no, that wasn't my mentality. I wasn't tripping.

I was just, you know, yeah, when you be in there, going through it, you know, be all type of, you know, you'd be going through your emotions, you feel me, be all type of, you know, thoughts going through your mind, but you feel me like, you know, the mind is a free will, like in that mind, you feel me, it'd be a dangerous tool at times, so you just got to know, like, what thoughts and what feelings to suppress. So just like, shit, like, getting out here,

shit like, hell, yeah, like, man, I, man, I'm not trying to be in that bathroom. Like, for sure, for sure. Like, I did that. Did that too much. Like, like I said, I just don't want to get in there because, like, when I'm in jail, I'm in jail.

Like, I'm gonna be a part of the politics. I got a politic. And that shit just be dumb, you know what I'm saying? Have to tell other grown man with the dude. You know, have to give people a sense of direction, you know, getting into it over this jail shit that ain't mine. And shit like that. You know, I don't got time for that shit. That shit.

That shit played out. Like, I'm trying to get some money, trying to, you know what I'm saying, you know, create this foundation. You know, like, grow for generational wealth, man. Like shit. I ain't got time to be playing. Look at the stuff that you went down for and everything, though. Is there part of you, like, is your mind state that shit is stupid? I can't believe I wasted my time getting into this.

Or is your mind stay like, man, if I went back, I could do this shit. Use all the knowledge that I have now to not get caught and be able to run it up in a way that you weren't necessarily able to before? Or is your mind stayed like, nah, this is just a dead end road? No, that's a dead end road. I don't ever want to pump my head. twice on the same mistake knowing it's a costly mistake. So with that, that's how I feel, but I also

feel like this. Do I feel wrong for what I went to jail for? Like, nah, do I feel like I did anything? Nah, because did not, did nobody die? Did nobody overdose? These was regular, grown people, never forced nothing on nobody. They was calling my phone, calling us to come sell it. The politicians do it. Oxycontin do it. When we went down, Oxycontin, the maker of OxyContin gave himself

bonus like a $200 million bonus. So it's just like I kind of feel like, you know, in a political level, you know, they write the law, they order law. They do shit that they feel like we shouldn't do. So it's just like shit. I feel like I shouldn't with the jail selling some pills. I mean, shit, the pharmacy do it. Well, because they went to school and they're formaceutical.

Like they got the right to do it. They was calling my phone buying this shit for me. It wasn't like I was selling crack. I was selling crystal meth and my son was dying. Like it wasn't none of that. So I like, I do feel a different about. being in jail for that shit because they do the same shit. So, you know, I understand this shit on a political level. I'm not even thinking about this shit like on the poverty-stricken level.

Like, you know what I'm saying? So just like I feel it. Like, that's how I feel about that. But I know like, no, I ain't no need to be trying to be slick and play with these people, man. Like, hell no. Like, shit. Hey, I'm not them. I'm going to try to put me in the jail cell. Yeah. Yeah. Because like, like for me at this point in my life, it's like, if you came to me with a a foolproof plan that seemed like it was just sent down from God. Like, hey, you could do this, this, this, and this. And there's zero percent chance you're going to get caught. You can make millions of dollars.

I'm still saying no at this point in my life because the idea of having to go and sit down and even do a couple years is just so not worth it in comparison to any amount of money. Now, obviously, that's me being comfortable enough to be able to make that decision. And at a certain point in my life, when I think about it, when I was, when I was like 19, somebody was discussing with me and they told me like, yeah, I know a dude who you basically will like take a rental car and pack that shit full of e-pills

and you drive that shit up to Canada and they're going to give you, you know, 15 grand or 20 grand. And I remember being a young 19-year-old saying like, shit, I'll do that tomorrow. Because I just did, I needed money, period. I'm like, I'll do it. When I look at that now and I'm like, Jesus Christ,

that is a serious crime right there crossing a country line like that. State laws, man, that's a wild. man, that's a wild thing to do. But, you know, again, that's being 19 versus being 35. You're capable of making a much more intelligent analysis of the risks and everything at a certain point. But, okay, so after that, do you basically keep your nose clean? Because what year is that that you're coming home from doing all this time?

Now, so that was 2021 when I got out. Oh, shit. Okay. Then I got back out 2023. So I've been out over two years and stuff and all that, been good, you know what I'm saying? through my paperwork and stuff like that. So, you know what I said? Like, yeah, I've been out.

You know what I? Like, I wouldn't even went back if that situation wouldn't happen. But it was just like, I knew that out that dirty wasn't mine. Like, y'all either swap me out with somebody else dirty or I did some bullshit. And I was just like, really like at that moment and point of time, like, I ain't me. I got me. I think y'all about to just take me back to a jail. Like, and I know that ain't me just to sit to do this process.

Like, no, I can just come holl at me later later and we can take care of this later. But right now, that's what we're not doing. That's bullshit. Definitely. Where was your mentality at at that point, though, in terms of what you felt that that you should be doing with your life in 2023 or whatever, once you're finally free of all these situations, where's your mentality at? Man, just, you know, just you have said something.

Like, first and foremost, you feel me, just, you know, so first and foremost, for me, you know, fatherhood, you feel me, catching up with them kids, you feel me, doing that time, catching up with them kids, trying to make sure I fulfill. their happiness and stuff like that. Then everything else is secondary, you feel me, just like, you know, being able to provide, you feel me, got to create a bag. So, you know, you shit, doing content,

you know, I got a lot of stuff, you know what I'm saying, popping off content, you know, dropping music, all that. So that's just like, you know, the state of mind I'm in right now. Just, you know, like program, you'm saying, just like, you know, got to get some legal money, you feel. You know, just know, got to stay away from the illegal acts and stuff like that. So just like, you know, father in it.

It just, you know, creating the armor bag, whether it's looking at the cryptos, though and whatever I'm just like you know I'll be all over the place I'll be looking at all type of different ways like to get money of San art to invest in something you feel me it just like you know just got the mentality like you know need that money to be um need that money to be being made while I'm sleep so just like you know that's that's what a mentality at right now man creating a bag where the YouTuber hustle come from like who put you on to that or is that just from you observing other channels and stuff have my accident so

basically I made the channel right my next you have made the channel for me. My nephew had made that channel for my music. So I think I had just drop one music video on there and then after that I had answered back to brick baby on there. Then I asked her back to brick baby on there like a lot of people had been telling me just like by way Instagram just me like dropping little gems and shit like man bro, bro, why you know um, but you like a motivational speaker bro like or why you don't you know, do I'm saying drop content to do this and that but like I never thought about content like before me doing content I had really never been on YouTube like that unless I was like watching a video or something like I swear to God I know

YouTube had all that shit going on or like unless I was looking up something like if you uh like if you ain't got no information or something you know you can hit YouTube or how you make this or how you put this together like I don't really know it was podcast channels and all this shit was going on so like somebody had um got at me on like hey man you know brick baby was on no jumper with big deal and he man he don't know what he's talking about he talking about that yeah um yeah you know that um they're talking about people they wouldn't sit down with and this and that and that he brought your name up to my yeah you know i wouldn't have sat down with aunt because you know he got another name that's derogatory and this and that i'm like what so when they send me the clip i'm looking

i'm like all right so then i responded to it on my instagram and at that time i think i probably had like 21 subscribers and i wasn't even on youtube i wasn't messing with the channel was for my music So do you really, you had a nickname that was disrespectful to the neighborhoods? No, I don't. What Brick thought you did? Yeah. So he's like, so my, so, so my baby brother, you know what I'm saying? That's under him.

He puts a derogatory, like disrespectful name towards the neighborhoods. So being, you just hear aunt, aunt, you know what I'm saying? And he automatically was like, oh, yeah, that's aunt of the name. Like people hear me, like, oh, yeah, that's aunt other name. Like, people will be calling me his name. Like, oh, yeah. He's big NBA And I'd be like, what?

Like, bro, I'm a big NBA, bro. I'm a young aunt, bro. But people just automatically, oh, aunt you, oh, yeah, oh, you're big, you're the big NBA, huh? I'm like, the big NBA. I'm like, bro. I'm young aunt, bro.

But that's how I know you don't know. You don't know me or haven't been around. So I was just answering back to that. And at that time, I don't understand YouTube. So me having 21 subscribers, I thought with me having 21 subscribers that only 21 people don't view this shit. So when I answered back to him,

that shit had did like three or four thousand views. And I looked like that I said, do this many views. So that's when I started acquiring action. And people was like, oh, yeah, bro, you can have one subscriber and do this many views. So that's what really made me start looking into it.

And so then at that time, I was just saying getting ready to get up the drops of music. And I'm like, man, how can I like, you know what I'm saying? Like build this channel and like bring more subscribers from this channel. And it was just shit talking and doing content. That should just happen by accident.

and I just kept like just kept going with it like just fucking just keep doing it you know what I just kept doing it it's dope it's good to hear um but okay like you tell me because like I always hear this is one of the biggest you know gang rivalries in LA and shit is the A Trays and the neighborhoods but I also don't feel like any of the neighborhoods that I've spent time around I never really hear them mention the the beef between the A Trays and neighborhoods like would you describe it as something that's kind of low key at this point in time, or is that still some heated shit that doesn't really get? Yeah, it ain't the neighborhoods.

Because see, like, I feel like only at certain times people will be trying to like the neighborhoods and put themselves under one guy. It's like, oh, yeah, this neighborhood, you know what I'm saying, 40s to the 90s, you know what I'm saying, to the 90s, you know what I'm saying, and rolling 30s to the hundreds. But all these are individual sets. Right.

Like, do we beef his neighborhood as a whole, like, A-Tray gangsters? Like, as us being A-Tray gangsters and us, beefing with the 60s in the 90s that opens up the door for us to push basically you I'm saying neighborhood blank or whatever you know what I'm saying and when you go to jail yeah of course they are allies they all under one umbrella so yeah in that case yeah you know you beef with all them but on the streets like man like on the streets like we was having problem with the 60s we were having problem with the 90s and the problem with the hunters we didn't

beef with the neighborhoods as a whole But I mean like yeah, if you run in probably to somebody it'll probably be what it is But like man at this point man I just feel like the whole aspect of what they're trying to do What they doing is this game bang and shit that shit is like that shit dupe like that shit weird like they need to let that shit go Like if you want a game bang game bang right like shit help build your community You know what I'm saying get a business over there get some money you said help bring some positivity to you shit you know what I'm saying because it's gay for you to be out here still on the same shit that's been going on for over 50 or 60 years you got to make a transition you know what I'm saying

because when you go to jail anyway you're going to go in there busing the spread and working out with them and talking about what girls you know and oh yeah I know your homie this and now you want to you so when they lock you up when the police come get you and lock you up you want to wait to get in here and be buddy buddy when you're asking be on the streets buddy buddy you know what I'm said so like yeah like I mean yeah so they're really like the only neighborhoods we really beefed they ain't really like no whole thing man I really think you probably can say that like what for the hoover's because like the hoover's they got five loose all the way to the hundred so like they next to the 40s you know what I'm saying they're not really next to the 60s but they said they

they probably they next they got a probably like a hoover set probably like close to all the neighborhoods probably except for the 60s. but so for them it probably would be like a thing like that but like for us it's just like our immediate it's like you know what said and even with us of us in the six o's that shit ain't really been nothing like you know what I said we had the little peace talking stuff like that but you have said um no we talked said I don't have lunch with a few of them dudes and stuff like that you what I'm saying but nothing really transpired like I feel like stuff is still really the same I feel like when people hear the word peace or what people hear you know what people see people

trying to like progress on something positive. That's when people start trying to get negative and start spray painting on walls and start trying to, you know what I'm saying, pop little shots and stuff like that. But other than that, it seems like when nobody talking about it or that ain't the focal point and everything really be cool. Right. Do you feel like the whole podcasting and content creation stuff, does that contribute to more, you know, friendships or more peace in the city?

Or do you think that it makes it worse? Because I think we see both. It's kind of hard to tell. With everything is pose a collar. I think it's kind of like a wobbler. It's going to bring those together who need to be brought together. And that's like-minded and on the same thing. And then, you know, the poison.

Right. You know, they're going to do their poison. You know what I'm saying? Because that's the problem is you got a bunch of dudes who are in their 30s and they're doing podcasts. And there's a reason for people to be able to sit down and do content together. People want to see that shit. But then meanwhile, if you're 18 or 19, you're probably not a podcaster.

Yeah, you're probably making music where you're kind of being disrespectful and shit like that. That's like, you know, you could have all the 35-year-olds in the world that get along and would rather be pushing peace. And typically it's the younger dudes that are kind of inflaming shit. And those are the dudes you always hear like, nah, like they can push peace. They can push peace. We ain't on that.

And it ain't ain't even just blame them. And it ain't just the young dudes because you got some dudes. Right. 35 and older that's still poison. You know what I'm saying? Some dudes that ain't going to do nothing, but they preach the poison to the younger ones. Oh, yeah, F them them. Oh, man, oh, man, eff or what's a day?

talking about you hear them talking about that and they don't that so you definitely like it's all type of piece who is it's all type of people and i and i just feel like even though you're saying you have age brackets you're saying it's poison in every age bracket so you got older dudes who ain't with it i ain't with it either you feel me just like you got young dudes who ain't with it but like i but it ain't nothing really going on like i said the um the um the um as far as the body count like and as far as like how things used to be all that shit is down low like for real dudes I just feel dudes just try to try to keep up an image, you know what I'm saying, for

the internet and stuff like that, you know what I'm saying? Because they know people won't controversy and people won't negativity. Like, shit, I ain't, I ain't got time for that. Because like, shit, they ain't going to come do your time when it's time for you to go down. So it's just like, I think a lot of dudes really want to get some money. Either they don't know how to get no money, you know what I'm saying.

So they being negative or, you know what I'm saying? They just, you know what I'm saying? Who got some money or who, you know what I'm saying? Got something pop. You know what I'm saying? That's just like how it be. It's crazy too because now we live in a world where, you know, I've seen more of B. Brazy and Trayway and Jay Hood and all these dudes who are locked up,

I see more of their content than half the dudes on the street. And obviously, like, when you're behind bars and you're dealing with all this shit day to day, it's like they have a different perspective, you know, a more adversarial perspective a lot of times. They don't really got anything guiding them in the direction of peace. Because, like, for somebody like you, you know, if you're thinking about saying something disrespectful in a video or whatever, not to say you would do that,

It feels like your brain is going to go to, well, shit, I got a good life out here. And I got a reason to want to stay free and to not inflame this shit. But meanwhile, you're somebody who's doing life. Some of these guys are doing life. What the reason do they have to not inflame tensions when this is their day to day? Every day they got to wake up and just be in the face of somebody that they don't get along with, et cetera. It's like, it's kind of crazy that all these dudes who are locked up, have such a big influence on what people are talking about these days. No, for sure, for sure.

And that's what I'm saying. Social media. and made that famous for them to do. But, like, yeah, you're right. So just, like, being in that environment, you know what I'm saying? But, like, it's even dangerous what they doing because, like, you know what I'm saying? Even being on that yard, you know what I'm saying? Even being on that yard and politic and saying stuff and bringing certain stuff up, man,

you don't know who's going to be mad one day or who's going to come out there selling. Like, oh, yeah, he said this about what do you know, he spoke on that. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, like, you know, it's even dangerous, you're saying, what they're doing, you're saying? Because it can get ugly in there, too. it definitely can get ugly up in there too you know what I'm saying

you definitely can get put in the situation you know what I'm saying or everything though but I even feel like for them like even if I was in jail like it's just like like man like

you gotta be trying to get up out of there you know what I'm saying like you gotta be trying to get up out of there like you gotta focus on some type of positivity like even in jail like people don't bother me like I don't be having no problems like when it's time to get to it

or something going on you know I'm going to assert myself but be in jail like I ain't gonna lie shit like shit like shit, man, ah, shit. It'd be peaceful. Like, shit, I'd be cool. Like, only time, like, it's just

when the politics, when I serve myself in the politics and something going on. Like, I don't have problems, I'm saying? Because, like I said, I know how to keep it respectful. I know how I go and I just expect people to follow them. You know, I'm saying, I'm saying rules and regulations. And it's just like, you know, if you get disrespectful, we're going to meet disrespect with disrespect. But other than that, like, even in jail, like,

man, you just, you know, you still got to be positive up in there too, man. I get your ass killed up in there. just wild though because a lot of these dudes they realize that like people ain't really going to pay attention to their Instagram live stream or whatever unless they are willing to talk about you know who they got issues with or who's a bitch and who ain't a bitch and all this type of shit you know all of a sudden that's like you know it's like it's like I don't see the hour long live stream that this dude did but I do see the 20 seconds where he disrespect to somebody

that a bunch of people make videos about you know for sure for sure yeah controversy that's that YouTube space. They want that controversy. Like Loges is controversy. You said controversy sales. So that's definitely what they won't. Definitely. Okay.

So I'm just to take a detour here. I'm somebody who when I was 12, I read Monster Cody's book as a very, very white kid in New Hampshire. That was like, that's what I knew about Crippin was in that book. So I heard the passion that came out when you were talking about it with Wack and how you didn't appreciate some stuff that he had said about him in the past and everything like that. Like, growing up where you're from, was that just like the number one name, the loudest presence and everything?

Like, talk about his influence. No, for sure. Like, you know, it's like, you got to, man, that man influence was cultural. Like, that man started Crips and Bloods on the East Coast. You feel me? Like, so just like, he definitely had that impact. Like, even before I met him, like, he definitely was early on impactful for me. Like, read that book at Juvenile Hall.

I ain't going to lie. Like, that book for me was like a Bible. You know what I went to jail? I had to have that book. I read that book, you know, actually getting to meet him and having a relationship with him. You feel, you know, everything. And so just like, you know, getting the step of his approval and everything. Like, you know, that was definitely like, you know, like everything, you know, honorable, you know, at the time.

You know what I was in that space, for sure, for sure. So, hell yeah, I want to fill it with, what Wack was saying. Right, because for people who haven't seen it, Wack, kind of like his way of, you know, denigrating Monster Cody's life. story is basically to say like oh he used to smoke crack which is like you know if you live through the 80s and 90s I take it that I'm cool but that's not that controversial like a lot of people were smoking crack back then it's not like smoking crack now where do you know exactly what this does to you and how bad it could ruin your life back then you know you hear stories all the time about from all cities all over America that you know all kinds of people who are powerful and you know people's mom smoking crack that had absolutely no idea what it was going to do to them and shit like that so what's your perspective on whack kind of taking that perspective. And were people mad at you even being involved in that conversation? Because the whole tone of it was a little disrespectful, I guess.

No, I mean, shit. What could you say? Like, I know monster. A lot of people don't know monster. And I mean, you know, rest in peace, you know, to the G-humby. But I mean, shit. Like, what could you say? You can't say nothing to me about speaking about his name.

Like, you feel me? Like, it's a dude, I had a relationship with actually talk to. Like, I can speak, you know, I'm saying on his name. So with that being said, like for me, Wack basically was like, you know, Hannah was like, you know, basically, you know, I apologize. Like if I did say something wrong because the stuff I was pointing out to him that I said he had said, he said he didn't say.

I'm like, you did say this and you said this. So basically, Wack point of view was, and what he thought he had said was that when Wallow and Gilly asked him, who would he pick out of Monster Cody? Or Big You. And Big You, he said Big You, and he said Big You, and he said Big U because of, oh, Big U, you know, he evolved. You know, Big U had the gangsterism, didn't evolve and stuff like that.

And like I told him, I'm like, bro, the problem wasn't about you picking Big U. I'll never be mad at you about you. Or I like Big E over Monster Cody. Your pick is your pick. You know, I'm saying it is what it is. My thing was about you trying to downgrade him about him smoking crack. Like, bro, like him smoking crack don't take away for everything that he earned, you know, I'm saying, that was righteous to the streets.

You know what I'm saying? you can't take that from him. He did that. And what you got to think, with him doing all this stuff, that's alleged, you know what I'm saying? That probably was his road to smoking crack, you know what I'm saying,

trying to harvest him demons, like, you know, what I was just like, kind of pointing out to him, and he was just like, no, you know, I was just saying that big you transition, you know,

monster didn't make the transition, you know what I'm saying? I was just like, ah, you feel me, you know, you said this, but, you know, we can conclude it there, you know,

I ain't tripping, you know what I'm saying, that wasn't cool, you know what I'm saying like a lot of people smoke crack I'm pretty sure you got gee homies and older homies aunties or somebody in a dissing crack when they went hit in the 80s shit I mean that's like somebody

me saying like yo you know Ann Hefe I'm fucking with Han Hefei he's a cool dude Oh man he ain't nothing but an oxy salesman You know Or like they can say it on me Oh he he used to be a cokehead He used to be fucking snorting all kinds of shit Doing every drug under the book

Yeah all right right off everything else That a person did with their life you know For sure no for sure for sure for sure. No, but no, it was a good conversation, but besides whack funny, you know what I'm saying? I like Wack, though. Besides him, you know what I'm saying? It was a cool little conversation, you know what I'm saying?

It was a cool conversation. But I was just wanted to tell him that, like, them two names don't even really like, as far as, like, gangsterism in the streets, they don't compare because, like, in the streets, like, what people got to understand. Y'all know what Monster Cody was known for. Y'all don't got to speak on what he was known for. Big U wasn't known for that. Big U was originally known as being a jacker at D&M, saying,

a jacker that knew how to fight that was knocking people out. I'm saying that wasn't what Monsacote, wasn't a jacker. So it was just like, just certain names, you know, I just feel like you shouldn't even be bringing up in comparison to try to compare them, compare them alongside each other. You can even see in an interview that Big U was kind of like when he was like, man, big you, like, you just see his face like, man, come on, why are you going here? Because he didn't even comment.

He was kind of like, man, come on. So you just say it even shows the respect, you know what I'm saying, level and shit like that. But no, it's all good, though. It's all good. People are going to have their perspectives and their opinions. It is what it is. Oh, yeah. I got to reread that book because it's been so goddamn long.

I'll probably read it with very different eyes these days. For sure, for sure. Because I know, I used to know that book front to back. Somebody was funny. Somebody was talking about that book with me the other day. And they had said somebody that I'm like, man, I don't remember that in there. I just know that book front of the back. So it kind of made me want to go back through there and read it again, too.

Definitely. Okay. In terms of like, this is just a random question I wanted to ask you, but when you look at somebody like Crip Mac who obviously soared to the heights of popularity on these YouTube streets and everything like that is probably one of the most famous people that ever emerged from like L.A. street YouTuber culture or whatever, what would be your suggestion to somebody like him when he gets out? Because obviously he's, he seems like he's really actually tried to change his life,

which is a little bit different than four extras, who seems like he's like willingly running into situations where he's going to get locked up. But with Krip Mack, you know, we've seen him move out of town and really try to like, you know, live a more quiet existence and stuff before he got picked up again.

But, you know, what's your perspective on Krip, Mac? You think he got a chance of keeping his nose clean when he comes back out? If he want to keep his nose clean, for sure, I think he just got to, well, not let me say theatrics because I don't even know that man to say he's, theatrical. But I mean, it's just like, you know, if you want to be low-key, you're saying,

you can't have the extras. And Crip Mac got the extras. You can't be low-key with the extras. It's like, you know, you can move out the hood, but just because you move out the hood, don't mean that the hood is not still in you. So, I mean, like, if he really, you know, passionate about changing, you know what I'm saying? Like, shit, he can make it happen. It's up to him, you know, but, you know, that's on him. I mean, the crazy thing about it is, like, you know, a lot of people have the opportunity to change their life. He's just like the most obvious example of a person

who's going to have a hard time doing that because he's got the craziest shit you ever seen tattoo on his forehead for the whole world to read. Sure. Even though it might be partially covered up by Afro at this point, which is kind of interesting. Yeah, I said he just to you, matter of fact, it's funny, he on the yard that I got the same exact one, really.

Medota, Medota. I seen he was in a picture with my partner, my older partner from East Coast Duce. They took a picture together. I'm like, oh, yeah, he on the same yard. Then I'm, I was just on everything. Yeah. We got him up there at Mendoza, though. But I mean, shit, man, I mean, if he know the right thing,

but it's just like, you know, it's the internet. I mean, you know, I think the internet is addictive for some people, you know what I'm saying? I ain't going to say him per se, but, you know, that the internet is addictive. And he had, like, a lot of fans that he was really going viral. So it's just like, you know, it's getting out like shit. Do I still got a bag? Do I got some money? You know what I'm saying?

Do I need to make some money? It's getting out. You'm saying? Just like, you know, I'm saying? Just like, you know, what did he do with the money he had? Did he make some good investments? Do he still got some money?

I'm saying? Because if he don't, then he's going to get back out here with the extras. I got to bring CMAQ, 55th Street back. It is weird, though, because, all right, number one, he's not going to be allowed to talk about gang shit in the same way that he used to. I guess that's part of his progression.

I heard he just can't say five, five or something. Yeah, that's like, that's kind of weird to me. It's like, so you could say you're a crib, but you can't get specific enough to say you're from a certain street. That kind of seems unlikely to me. Because that's what Lupe was telling me It was like Oh, he's still gonna be able to like

Say he's a Crip And all this stuff He's just not gonna be able to say 50 5th Street I'm like I don't know about that That doesn't seem like that was like it's captured 55th Street Yeah yeah It's very hard to imagine him

Living his life without saying that every once in a while Yeah yeah so that's yeah They probably just feel like That's gonna take the air up out of me But you better just figure out some So you better be coming up with some new terms And slaves to say Because I mean that shit just pours out of him

Like I don't know the extent to which he's gonna be able to control that. Yeah, you're going to have to definitely find some new, some new term. But I do think at the end of the day, like, the weird thing about it with him is that he's so well known that he really don't got to talk about the hoover's. You know, like his fan base is big enough that he's got a lot of fans who don't know shit about that. They don't know what the fuck that is.

They don't want to, they don't need to necessarily hear about that. Like, I feel like the fans, if he comes out and shows growth, that's going to be the number one thing that makes people actually like really with him long term as if they feel like he's somebody who's actually changing and becoming a better person you know you talk to him since he's been down uh like a few months back but it hasn't been a lot what you think you think you think you think he got it to to transform or show that growth yeah i actually do i actually think that you know despite his mental health issues and the schizophrenia and all that type of shit i do think that i've seen the growth in him since I first met him.

And honestly, like, if you watch his first ever no jumper interview and then his most recent one, I mean, he's changed a lot. Sometimes for the better, sometimes for the worst. But, you know, and I've seen him just like get on camera and have moments. Like even after the first ever no jumper interview he did, I noticed he didn't say one word about the hoover's, nothing at all. And then he immediately like kind of bragged to ODIM Slim. He's like, check it out.

I didn't say nothing about him at all. And I was like kind of impressed. I'm like, oh, so he went into this knowing that. That was what he wanted to do with to not hype that shit up. But then I see a clip of him screaming a bunch of anti-hooer shit at the Popeye's employee in their area, I guess. And I'm like, and that was like a week or two after that interview. And I'm like, oh, shit. And then there was moments where he would hop on a live stream, we'd say a bunch of crazy-ass shit.

And we end up having to go through and try to edit shit out and stuff. But, you know, I really feel like he doesn't want to keep getting locked up. He got a daughter now. I mean, I feel like he's got He got a baby. Yeah, yeah. She's probably one, one and a half now at this point. See, that's what I've said at.

Like, I know for me, like fatherhood, because I know like when I was by myself, said, I was selfish. I was giving like all my participation and everything to the gang. But like I said, like with fatherhood, I know definitely would be in a girl dad, like that, like that shit like difference. You feel me? Like, you know, I probably kind of been, I probably kind of would have still been a little bit rough around the edges if I was a boy.

dad, like that, like you being a girl, dad is kind of different for me, you know what I'm saying, like, you know, I embrace fatherhood like, you know more. And like, with that, it's just like, you know, you're going, you're going to definitely hack a change because you can't be out here on that. And like, it is like, and I just feel like, if you really imminent about change, like, that shit got to come from within. How old's your daughter? My oldest, she's 12. Okay. Just one daughter? No, I got two. Oh, okay. Two daughters. I got the youngest. She three. I mean, there's something that happens when you have a daughter. where all of a sudden you start analyzing a lot of shit from your life,

even song lyrics. I'll just hear a rapper say some shit and just be like, damn, I don't want to have to explain that lyric to her when she gets older. You know, it's like, it's just a lot of stuff that you kind of start checking yourself. And you're like,

I want to be the kind of person that teaches my daughter what she needs to know about life. For sure. And that in turn means probably warning her about a lot of guys that were thinking the way that I was thinking for the majority of my life. And I can't like tell my daughter. And I keep it wrong with my daughter, you know, it's best way possible, you know, without being too edgy, you feel me, like just about life and, like, dealing with people. Don't even be thinking about no boys.

You got like a whole life ahead of you, be as kid for as long as possible, you know what I'm saying? Just be thinking, just thinking career-wise, you know what I'm saying, because you don't want to ask nobody for nothing, you feel me? And that's why I just like try to keep her busy just like from what karate to you I'm saying basketball or different shit like you ain't going to even have time to just even be thinking about certain shit like do this like you know what I'm saying by time you get finished with school and karate and basketball whatever else you want to do whether it's your team or gymnastics you're going to be tired of just wanting to shower and sleep what's the craziest thing that your 12 year old ever said to you based on like something that you heard about you

or saw on YouTube or anything like that is what's the most awkward thing that you ever had to confront man she ain't ever came to me i ain't had to confront nothing really the youtube stuff she'd be happy like she'd be happy like because see a lot of friends a lot of her friends don't be knowing i'm her dad or it just been like i remember like probably like a few months back she was at one of her friends house and her friend is expanding i'm saying and her little brother was i'm saying banging one of my songs and she was like oh dad man my friend whoopo her brother you know what I'm saying? He's this age

and he was listening to your song you know what I'm saying imaginary smoke and I was just like think oh that's my dad so it'd be a lot of little situations like that

they've ever been a situation that I had to confront to where she felt uncomfortable or it was something uncomfortable that I had to explain. Yeah that's good that's like she because I tell her because like too

she really don't as far as YouTube when she do be on YouTube I don't even think she watches me like that you know what I'm saying she'd be like on her kid stuff you know what I'm saying

she's supposed to be watching it really she's more like a TikTok kids. So she'd be old TikTok more to anything. You know what I'm saying? For sure. Yeah. I mean,

there's a whole world of shit that a young girl could be paying attention to on YouTube. You know, like all these weird celebrities that we never heard of and little kids doing vlogging and all that kind of shiz. That's a good thing if she's not immediately gravitated towards that. But that's why you've got to protect the algorithm. Like,

even sometimes there'll be channels like, you know, that make videos about me all the time. And I'll just click the thing. Do not recommend. I'm cleansing that timeline for the future. For sure. You know, I don't really want to see it either, but it's like, especially for her. It's like, because she sometimes pointed to the TV and say, like, dad, why are you on the

screen? And I'll be looking at it and it's a video talking shit about me. I'm like, I don't know. No video about me. I don't know. For sure, for sure. Yeah, for sure. For sure.

That's funny. No, it'd be funny. My younger daughter, she don't know what's going on, but she'd be seeing me, like if YouTube will pop up and I'll be on screen. She'd be like that. And I'd be looking like what I'm saying? She'd be like, that's you. That's you.

And I'd be like, yeah, that's me right there. Yeah. Good thing. You know, you know what I'm saying? You don't know the basis of the video. You know what I don't be getting too crazy anyway. So just like, you know, I'll be reacting to stuff. So like, I don't think I hopped out there and said, nothing prerogative or that just

that's just like uncomfortable. You know what I'm saying? Because even with that too, like, you know what I'm saying? I do be thinking about that. Like, you know what I'm saying? And I'm just not going to hop out there like that as a person. You feel what I'm saying? just like, you know, me reacting to nothing.

You know, that ain't nothing that my children should feel uncomfortable or not, uncomfortable about, you know what I'm saying? For sure. Okay, I got a couple more questions. A lot has been said about, uh, Jen Lee, the big-ass white boy for Texas, who is a rolling 60 from out there. And, uh, you know, recently got into this crazy fight in the mall and everything. And we keep ending up having the conversation about,

is it acceptable in any way for a white dude to be out here using the N-word? even, you know, we had Conrad on here, and he was saying that it don't really bother him because he is from a black gang. So he feels like if you're from a black gang, then it's basically like up to you. Like, he's not going to hold it against a white dude for saying it. Yeah, if you're from a black gang, like, yeah, I kind of view it like that as well. Like, if you're from a black gay, I really don't, um, see no problem with it, you know what I'm saying? But I ain't even lie. I kind of like, I fell out of a step in the base. of what that word, like, you know, I'm saying, like, I, you know,

I ain't, you know, I ain't really too passionate about that word, you know, and who using it. If you're using it to be derogatory, a motherfucker going to get on your ass. Right. You know, you, you, you, you're in jail with a million messas and they use it all day. So it's just like, you know, if you ain't going to say nothing to them to check them about it, how you go, oh, because, oh, yeah, I feel like, you know, the white's their impresses and all this and that shit.

Like, I'm not about to even get into all that. Like, if you, shit, if you're from a black gang, shit, is you basically he said you rock with the blacks you know you got the ideology of this who you want to push with this who you rep with i don't see no problem with them shit using it not interesting that it's kind of like different if you was just like if you like you know man wood power you you're saying maniac like if you was like uh wood or you was you're just like something that you know push hate towards this group and you just like yeah yeah who you just using it but like shit he a crap because i interviewed uh a dude named snow rock from

San Diego was like a white Roman 40s member and he was describing it as being very problematic as soon as he got to prison where like the white gangs over there oh man they do not appreciate a white dude being part of a black gang and they were you know he got stabbed in the neck while he was just sitting there watching a basketball game I think he said and shit like that and I was just realizing right there like damn that's a very that's a tough see tough the only yard don't the yard that happened on like this what I will say now the white boys they will make it a problem before the southerners or the mesquins were making a problem like the meskis they really don't be tripping they ain't already making

a problem because they be having blacks from their gangs and stuff like that but being that I don't think I ever seen a black dude running with the whites like the whites the white's funny idea I'm trying to think if I heard of because I want to say I heard of her heard some shit like that before, but I don't want to sit, but I haven't seen it. Because most whites don't even have a gang until they get locked up, right? The prison of the shit. So, like, how about it even happened? So, so with that being said, right, um, I've been on a yard with white crips,

white homies and nothing happened. On the yards, I'd be hearing about that shit happened on. Like, I feel like that should be happening on yards that if the whites are more of a presence than the blacks, you feel me, or if they, like, feel like the blacks not really own nothing and you just got like a white. and they feel need to press the line. But like, when I was at Pelican Bay, it was a white crib up there.

Like, and like, and, like, it was rocking back and forth. Like, it was like three or four, like, for like three years. It was like, like, like, one riot happened. And that shit turned into, like, five different riots with the whites and blacks. Like, yeah, oh, yeah, that's it. That just really be like, that's, that's like a pick and choose situation,

depending on what yard you own and what's going on. Right. Because the funny thing with Jen Lee is just that, his attitude, and I guess I got to respect it is that his attitude is I'm saying it and if you got a problem with it that we're going to fight which is you know and we've seen it he's got a bunch of scraps ever since the shit happened so I kind of got to give him respect for being willing to stand on it even though myself I'm personally not interested in saying it no for sure definitely got to respect it but like I said like

we could get real political about a lot of shit like if they were just like trip about that word Like so like just like with certain shit like if we want to be politically correct It's a lot of shit that's not politically correct out here Like we can start from a lot of places but like yeah people anybody got a problem with that man You just like I don't know like you you bound to like I don't just misery likes company like you looking for some type of miserable moment or something because like He's a Crip he run with the blacks like that's how blacks talk that's who he's around you know said it's going to rub off on them. Like, why would you have a problem?

Like, my alliance is to y'all. I'm like, the fuck. Yeah. Like, yeah, but you definitely got to respect. He's squabbing behind it, though. But, like, no, if I seen him, I wouldn't have a problem with it. Like, shit, shit.

You're treating him like a homie. That's what thing about me. Like, I'm not a racial person. Like, only way I can get racial is a person being racial to me. Like, other than that, like me, just like, oh, yeah, just hating all you. I don't like whites or I don't like this person. Like, no, hell, no.

because like I understand history. I understand like the same shit that's going on right now. It was said to happen one point in time. It was a flip time when it was different and shit like that. So I just like, I view things differently like shit in life. So I don't be trying to be like, get too personal about a lot of shit. Did you spend more time with white people when you were serving up in the Northwest than you ever had previously in your life? Yeah, but I got a white auntie though.

I got a biracial cousins. My auntie nor her, she white. though. But that was the most I've been around like a big population of whites, though. But like, shit. Yeah, that was the most time I've been around a big population. You pick up any white habits while they're up there? You start drinking coffee or anything?

That's a white habit. Well, I looked it up yesterday. They're like statistically white people drink way more coffee than black people, which I always assume that, but I never looked it up until yesterday. No, shit up. No, for sure. Start going to bed bath and beyond and shit. No, definitely a bad bad. laughing.

Oh, okay. For sure. I don't know if that's a white thing. Yeah. Skin? Snowboard. Oh, for real? Yeah.

Yeah. I was hitting them slopes. That's like. I bet you were. Hey, no, no, no. I only like smoking weeds. Y'all don't fuck with. Look, weed.

We, only thing I like outside of weed that I did, I did in a long time that I like is mushrooms. Like weed is, weed is shrooms. I f*** it. But anything else, I'll be like, I'd be like scared of drugs and shit like that. I drink here and there. should I turn up drink here and there. My boy gifted me this bag of gummies

that are like mushrooms and MDMA in the same, the same candy. And that's a good time right there. Damn. You put those two together? Because it's like the mushrooms have you like feeling a little trippy, a little weird, but then the MDMA just makes you feel good as,

and it's like, you know, it's a little too much fun, yeah. Yeah, no, for sure. I like, no, I like the shrooms, though, for sure. The shrooms and the weed and shit. But like, yeah, ski-ed, though, I like skiing, too. I learned how to ski in a few days, though.

I like that shit, too. I go to mind. That's something I actually, I liked it better than snowboard. Snowboarded. The motherfucker kept on, like, falling. It was, like, really hard for me to, like, capture my balance. But the skier, I got right with that shit, like, quick and was hitting slopes. I'm like, oh, yeah, this shit fun, right here.

Yeah. I only meant snowboard once in my life a couple years ago, and it was super hard. Like, it was really fun, but it was really hard, too. And they told me that skiing is, like, way easier and way more fun if you're not experienced. ski like a pro at two days for sure but like that it like I starts going to Idaho lake get out there on the lake I'm scared to surf but I was over the boat the jet skis and shit but I wasn't trying to do those surfing shit though for sure surfing is hard oh my god that is like I've done it where it takes so much energy for you to just paddle out to the part where the waves break and then you got to

like wait have the perfect timing for when you see the wave coming and then you got to start paddling on the board so you can like basically get on top of the wave at the right point and then you got to stand up it takes you so long to even get like an opportunity to try to stand up on the board and then once you stand up on it you're tired of from swimming like for so long and it is like you got to be in shape for real bro i got crazy respect anyone who's good at that shit is massive respect because like with a skateboard you could just roll back and forth try to do an ollie try to do a k flip whatever to even try to stand up on the board takes so much preparation that it's crazy you ever been to the great wolf lodge yeah yes a couple months ago yeah all right so i just went there too like a couple months ago

that's funny right yeah it's like an indoor water park for the people at home yeah man i did the little ski did the skis shit in oh i seen that the surfboard yeah it's like a big wave in there every time i should shoot me right up the little thing but it was fun i do want to try that thing no you got to i got to i don't even lie i'm gonna go back that's like the best way that you could get experience with what it actually feels like to do that shit. No, for sure, because they got the, like, the water pressure they got it. You start at the bottle, and you get the surfboard, and they're going to start you at the water pressure to where it's, like,

it's, like, it's shooting you up, like, shit, I'm like, I'm a solid weight, so, but that shit to blast you up at the top like that. I was like, damn, like, I'm trying to stand on the thing. Next thing you know, I just remember just being on my back, water on my face and being shot to the top, but I kept on, but it was fun. I kept trying to do it, though, but, no, no, I'm great. Wolf Lodge, though, that's a fun park and that little surf a day. That's definitely fun.

For sure, yeah, I gotta go back to trial time. That's a wild place right there. That's a wild place. My kid still brings it up all the time because she just was so amused by that place. Hey, my daughter, she thought that was my mama house, right? What? Yeah.

Hey, the youngest, when she was she been talking about mama, she'd be like, uh, granny house the water park. And I'm like, that wasn't her house. She was just with her. You know what I'm saying? At the hotel and shit and all that. She thought that was mom. I would be laughing.

Every time she'd bring up, yeah, my granny house to water. Well, I'm like, that's not her house. For sure. She definitely thinks that's her granny house. I felt popular as f***ing that place, too. All the lifeguards are fucking me and shit, taking photos. For sure. Oh, man.

I was like, I got to keep coming back to this place. I feel so accepted here. For sure, for sure. I know they were stopping you in there. But no, that's a fun-ass water park, though. Yeah. I like it. Yo, so, all right, I have more questions I like to ask you,

but I kind of got dips, but I appreciate you coming through. And my last question or statement that I want to give is I just want to give you my condolences because I saw you talking about how bad ODM Slim did you, and I really just felt for you, man. That shit. That probably had you thinking twice about,

man, maybe these neighborhoods ain't so good after all. Man, look, the cold part about it, I really, the commentary I did it, I really did it out of fun. I wasn't tripping. Oh, okay. For the people at home, ODMs told him that he was going to pick him up

but take him to rolling loud with him and then basically just ghosted you and went live there and didn't fill you in. Did you guys ever have a conversation about this? Did you end up having a conversation? Oh, yeah, most definitely. I was on his ass, but I said when I did the segment, I was owned him, he did and he did not.

He did, I was talking shit, but he hit me right in the middle of the segment. I'm like, no, I'm going to hit you back in the minute. So I started the segment was over. I hit him. He's like, man, no, bro. Man, this is what happened. So basically that day he had pulled up on me and shit and set some shit up for me. And then he was like, hey, bro, man, come with me to

rolling loud. And I told him, no. I'm like, shit, bro. I'm cool. Like, he's like, man, come on, bro. And I'm like, man, I'm good. So he talked in and going to rolling loud. I get into dressing all this shit. I'm calling he. He ain't answering. So I'm like, damn, what's up with this fool? Man, look up like a hour later. I see this. going live and rolling live. Walking in there smiling. Get stopped by somebody's hope. Oh, man, what's something? Like, man, what's you doing here? He's like, oh, man, man, you know, man, I got the pass. And I'm looking like, man, man, man, look at this.

jackass. Hey, for sure, I hit him right. Look, he don't ask or that he'd be, man, bro, my bad, bro, man. I guess he had, he was getting tickets through somebody else, and he said, yeah, got the tickets late. And by the time he got up there and all that, I'm like, man, it's all good. But that's why I told you, though, from the get going,

I ain't even want to go. You talk me here to get dressed, bro. Yeah, that was funny, man. Just picturing you having to get ready for no reason like that, like just because this person didn't have it in him to tell you no, just be straight up about it. O.D.M. What are you doing, man? Yeah, ODM, man, was on the good whiff or something, man. He had hit something and forgot about me. Oh, for real? He had to. He looked like he was high as hell, you know what I said? I know how I go.

He probably got high off something for God, you know what I'm saying? Or everything. Man, I like ODM Slim. I don't know. At some point, he started making videos talking shit about me. I don't really know why. I don't remember why. I think he's trying to, he's an aspiring fig immunity host. So I think he thinks he's going to get a job if he talks about me. I don't know. No, that's the wrong thing, man. But, you know, what I do respect about them, though, because, like, I'll be happy to tell him, I'll be happy to tell him, like, him and muchy,

you feel me? You know, him, muchy, they got their little ops. They be all this shit. And I was going to be telling them, like, you know, man, you know, y'all, you know, y'all, you know, y'all your own, you know, y'all, I f*** y'all. But, like, I said, bro, I don't do all the, like, riding coattels and you got a beef with a, like,

my beef gonna be with a bit about what it's about. Like, if you do it's about, like, if you do it something, like, wrong or like you like you said or like to jeopardize integrity and stuff like that but just because you got a beef with a person you can't expect me to have no beef with that person you're saying like I said if a person is all bad he's a rat you know I'm not gonna deal with him but because people take the rules of beefing with people in the streets like serious life or death beefs and then they take those same rules and apply it to like the dorkiest podcast drama beefs and be like oh you can't be cool with this person because they do podcasts with this person it's like bro nobody

got shot, punched, nothing about this. You don't have got to take it that serious. And I'm glad you said that in that the whole focal point, it'd be my main thing, bro. If y'all see each other, the worst case scenario, it might be a squabble. May y'all not look at the other live, nobody,

nobody got shot, nobody, people got killed. So it really ain't no beef. It's just like some podcast stuff and people feel some type of way because the world is watching and certain things are said, oh, you a bitch. Oh, yeah. F your damn mind. I understand what people say certain things. It ain't no coming back from, but you know, you got to understand.

If a person say, your dad mama and I'm not related to that dad mama or dad brother or something, that's just your beef, bro, with that person. I'm like, I don't have nothing to do with that, bro. You know what I'm saying? If he told or did something to where we fancy that we don't deal with people in a lifestyle that we lead there, you know, I'm going to stand on integrity, like in real life or the street life. Like, even in my real personal life, I don't really want to be dealing with nobody

informing, but you got to understand and get out the mind frame in that because if you in a bit of space, you're not dealing in the street. So a person should even have nothing to tell on you about anyway. But it's just like, man, if you ain't looking to really live, nobody like the beef ain't really real. It's just like really just YouTube, imaginary smoke. Yeah, there it is. Like, for sure. How focused are you on your music versus making YouTube content, like in your mind,

which one demands more time or which one are you more motivated by? The content is easy. I'm motivated by my music. I got so much music. I'm just starting to drop my music more. You know what I'm saying? So I just dropped the tape two days ago to 13th car to don't care about nothing. So I'm really like passionate about the music,

but it's just like, you know, me being an independent artist, you have said. I'm like trying to go like the route as I'm doing the music. I'm trying to learn the business and know and learn how to market, marketing my music. You feel me? So like the content, that's just another bag, you know. That's just another bag to exercise, you know. It comes easy and really ain't time consuming like shit, I do that on the go like shit with my phone. Like I got mics on a little shit.

I don't even use it. I'll pay money for it because I really don't have time and I just really be wanting to blog on the go. So I might just be in a car. I'll be leaving here, set the phone up and just, you know, see what's going on and react to some or, you know, drop a prison story or, you know, some person or something like that. So it's just like, you know, I'm juggling both of them. It's just like, you know, I'm doing both of them. Before I even like intentionally went to listening to music, I heard a lot of it

because you always put it as the intro to your YouTube videos. So I probably listened to like 10 songs last night before I even like went and intentionally clicked on any of your music. And honestly, your shit is pretty good. Yeah, for sure. I appreciate it for show for show. Yeah, yeah, definitely got more coming though. But like, no, yeah, I definitely love the music.

Like I said, I said probably, I'm sitting on tracks. Like, I'm sitting on shit like to where I can release how I want to release. But that's just like, you know, I'm just like, you know, putting my money behind, you know, putting that like, you know, marketing my shit, doing something. like that, getting the ads going and shit like that. So that's what I really want to do. But like I said, I like the content too, though, you know, being that I've been doing it

going on eight months now, you know what I'm saying? Like, shit, I got comfortable with that space too. So I just feel like they both coincide with each other. Like, I feel like, you know, it ain't no R pick content or pick rapping like shit. But I do both of them. Like shit, you get it back for both of them. So I like doing both of them. Nah, for sure.

All right, Young Ann Hefe, everybody out there, definitely subscribe to his channel. You got some good content if you want to hear a real voice of the streets telling you what's going on out here. You definitely got a very valid perspective on everything. So, you know, he's breaking down a lot of, describe the direction of your content. You react to whatever you feel like reacting to, but what do you feel like your specialty is? It really ain't no specialty. Like for me, Adam, like, I'm not like a person like that like to go by rules and regulations that's set in place by people. Like so for like the social media space.

Like I really don't follow no pedigree. I just freestyle. I just do me. I just be like authentic. Like, like, so people always ask me, oh, how you grow your channel so fast? How you get this many subscribers? And I'm just like, I can't give you the answer to that. I just got up there was uploading my content and being me.

You know, people was rocking with it. You feel me? So it's just like, you know, I'll just authentically be me. You feel me? Like, you know, like, shit ain't a recipe. You know, some people got a recipe. Some people got a formula. Like, I just do me.

You know, how I feel. So it's just like, I'm open. I'm open to what I'm open to. You know, I did kind of, was getting caught up and speaking on certain topics and subjects, but that's not me. I just know certain things I don't want to speak on. And I just feel like, you know, I'm over to speak on whatever. It might be politics one day.

Like if I see something on a political level that I want to speak on, you know, I might react to that. But I know that ain't going to do too many numbers, but it is what it is. So, you know, I'm open and reacting to everything. I just feel like this shit is. And they're like, oh, I got a sports channel to where I just got to do all sports or I don't want to get caught and capped off of that rim. Oh, yeah, it's just a hood channel.

I'm just reacting to hood shit like that. I'm reacting to whatever. I'm open and reacting to or, you know, that draws my mind or my emotion to, you feel me? For sure. Well, y'all, I appreciate you pulling up, man. We should definitely do more shit in the future because I feel like you've got a real good knack for this type of content, for sure. No, yeah, for sure, man.

I appreciate it. appreciate you having me, man. Yeah, shit. Any time, man, whatever, man, I'm definitely down. The show. All right. Young and Hefe, make sure you go subscribe to him and all that. No, John Berk coolest podcast, like, comment, and subscribe.

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