No Jumper - Z-Ro on Trae tha Truth Fight, Texas Overtaking California, Life After Lean & More

Episode Date: November 5, 2024

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No jumper. Coolest podcast on the world. And today I'm back with Zero. Yes, indeed. I got to give it to, like, I feel like when I look back in my career, it was like I had all these underground rappers, SoundCloud rappers, and in my head it was always like, I'm going to use the momentum and the cloud that I get from interviewing all these dudes to interview people that I really listened to when I was younger and like, you know, legends in the game and shit. And you were kind of like one of, I feel like you and Gangster Boot were like the first older, more established rappers that I actually got on the show.

So first things first, I just want to thank you for fucking with me when I really didn't have a whole lot going on back in 2016. It's like it was a very pivotal moment for me. Right, right. Shit it was with me too. I'm like, shit, I'm on no jumpers going down. Well, you thought it was a thing at that time too?

That's cool. I mean, yeah, I mean, because look where I'm from. We ain't got shit going on where I'm from. So I'm like, no jumping. I did a lot of shit, but I was like, no, I got to go fuck with it. I got to fuck with Adam. That's dope.

I appreciate that. What, what, uh, but do you still feel like it's like that? Because from our perspective, I feel like Texas is like a very quickly growing music scene in the United States. It is. We just don't really have nothing musical going on now. So when we gotta do musical shit, we gotta come out here, you know what I'm saying? We gotta go to New York.

We gotta go to Atlanta. Right. It's cool there for us, you know what I'm saying? But I guess it's like in a neighborhood that ain't got a swimming pool. You're always in the neighborhood with the pool. Right. Yeah. Holy shit.

So what's going on in your life? What are you pushing? What's the momentum right now? Man, the momentum right now is just the same like it was in 2016. The first of the month. The bills got way bigger since back then. Still dope, in my opinion. I'm still trying to share that shit with my followers and getting new followers.

Right. So I'm just working like how I would regularly be working. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think keeps your presence in the game still relevant and the fact that you still do legitimate numbers on streaming services and YouTube and shit like that

where almost everybody from your age bracket at a certain point kind of falls off in terms of putting music out? Yeah, I think it's because I ain't know stop. I ain't never stop doing this shit. I mean, like I say, everybody else is rapping and I'm just, I'm rapping. So it's like I ain't rapping

and then selling this, I ain't rapping. And doing the cars, I'm just rapping. So in order to make this shit work rapping, I guess you got to keep rapping. So when a lot of people stop and start working for UPS or whatever the fuck they work for or go back to the game, I've been blessing up to why I hadn't had to made even one of those decisions yet.

I can still rap and support myself and keep doing what I'm doing. So I think that's the, because all the people, Man, all of them cats are still rap. Right. They all jamming like a mom. But when I look up in Houston, it's me, it's Paul, it's slim, it's Leakee. These are the prominent ones that's standing out on it from an independent basis.

Right. And of course, you got, you know, Megan and Travis, now you're talking about majors. Right. But like for those of us that ain't own majors, I mean, I hunger for the first of the month is what it is for me. Right, definitely. Yeah. Have you wandered into different various types of entrepreneurs? orism over the years or is it really just been like a focus on music and what's that

look like like mostly touring or just does the music itself and the recording is that kind of main focus yeah it's really recording the music itself you know what I'm saying trying to the entertaining part like you know for the weekend you know businessman 9 to 5 selling the music you know Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday somewhere performing the music getting a bigger bag I mean you know the shit ain't changed since back then it's just a higher ticket now so which is good right Definitely. I feel like Texas is like that, where it's like there's just enough of a demand

for people that can bring in an audience and stuff that there's always going to be a career there. Man, that's one of the only spots that I know. I can go around Texas all year around doing shows and never have to hit a repeat spot. Really? For the whole year. And I won't even get through the halfway part of Texas.

Like if I do North Texas alone, I won't even get to South Texas until like this time next year. Right, so from our perspective, not really known, it's like Dallas, Houston, Austin, and then what? There's just like dozens of other markets that do well as well. All those in between, all those in between because you got to figure you're going to go all the way that El Paso going this way. You're going to drive through Texas eight hours and still being, still being Texas.

So all that shit that you're driving through, like from Houston, from Houston to Austin, you got. Brenham, you got a college station. You know, you got all these little stops. You know, you got Chapel Hill. You got all this shit in between, prayer review where the cottage is. You go staying each one of these, you know what I'm saying? 30, 35, $40,000.

You're hitting all this shit on the way to your concert. Right. You know what I'm saying? And I mean, this is a day. Now, if you're breaking that shit during the month, you're like, she, this is my 401K right here. Really? Yeah, because it's so.

many stops. Definitely. What's the weirdest show you ever got booked to perform at in that kind of environment? Because I remember one time just randomly ending up at a frat party that Slim Thug was performing at in Austin at one point in my life and being pretty astounded. Yeah, I've done those frat party too. I ain't really had no weird shit. It's just probably where everybody crying in a motherfucker concert because I do a certain

songs of some shit like that. Like, I ain't really had too much weird shit. besides, you know, bitches throwing, like, dirty-ass bras and shit. Like, you know, I don't know, just girdles and shit. Like, fucking, we're old enough at Mopwell. I mean, I ain't no young, my f-a-fitting. A girdle, though. Right.

I mean, it ain't really been weird. It's just shit I laugh at it. You know, I lay down and take a picture with that shit, get up and finish my show. But, I mean, it'd be cool for the most part, though. I'll be high as for you anyway, so I don't be knowing. Really? So you're back on the week, because I watched a bunch of your interviews over over the years and it's like you quit the lien and stuff,

what, like 2009, I think? 2015. Okay, so a little bit deeper in there. But at one point you started smoking weed for a while, but you went back to that? I mean, shit, that was just because shit, I was on paper. Okay.

You know what I'm saying? I ain't wanna go to jail, I ain't wanna violate. But I mean, shit, weed ain't going nowhere but they're, they served though. Yeah, I got, I don't have two chains no more. No regrets about that one. Yeah, I mean, I had a stroke. Really, yeah.

I had a stroke out, like some crazy shit happening with me. And that was 2015? 2015, yeah. Was there anything that sort of led to it? I mean, shit, excessive use of this shit. Right. Like, you watching my interviews. I mean, even when I came, did you for the first time.

I was stuttering this shit because I'm on that drink. Oh, okay. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't stutter no more. Right. Because I mean, that's the absence of the fucking heroin in the goddamn, I don't have that shit coursing through me no more. But so you, because I remember we were taking shots of liquor.

There was some bottle, I forget what it was, that you had me get from the grocery store on the way to the interview. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot what it was. But so you can double up on the lean and you could during that era. But a lot of dudes I know do that.

And to me, that just sounds like a fucking death sentence as a person that doesn't really do either. Man, when you're talking, you feel like a deaf sentence. Right. Because I'm leaning on this side. And then he was like, hey, you got to take a shot with that. I'm like, I'm like, I'm for the mix this shit. So now we drink the shot turns

and I'm like, nah, this shit good. Now I'm drinking. And then I get back, when we leave, I get back in the van, and I'm drinking syrup again. Yeah. You know, by the time we pull up on E-40, I'm dead. Yeah. Hey, we're in 40 house.

I'm like, shit. Nah, no, we're not. Now, we ain't there for like another hour. I'm just in the car dead. Can't do shit. That's when you got to dip into the Molly stash. Man, well. Historically.

I ain't never done those. But, yeah, I don't know how I made it through that shit. But yeah, man, f*** that, though. Definitely. I mean, when you look back, at it because all right there's always this assumption that like dudes from Texas are capable of having a more gentlemanly perspective on lean aka drink you know a reasonable amount of it and don't just like ruin your entire life with it and I

think that some of the Texas dudes I've heard say like yeah these guys in Atlanta or LA or whatever if you get like way too into it like we don't do that in Texas we're better than that I don't know man you know when you drink and you drink yeah I mean You know, a lot of people can die or play that shit like, you know, I'm drinking the drink. It ain't drinking me. Man, that shit is always drinking you back. I go back and look at so much shit, gentlemanly or not. First of all, you can't be no gentleman on this shit.

Your attitude. Hey, Roe, how you doing? What you mean how I'm doing? Now, they really honestly want to know how you doing. But you used to that motherfucker look at you and you think it's like, I forget I'm a rapper. Right. You're looking at a rapper, motherfucker.

You're a rapper. Oh, my bad, yeah, you know you right. I am a rapper, my bad. When you start drinking, nobody's happier than your girl. Shit, I wish that was true. For real? Man, man, look, let's just say I have a lot of songs.

Ah. Yeah, I have a lot of songs. I'll just say that. Ain't nobody happy, that's why I got a career still. Oh, I was like to still write about all this bullshit they'd be going on. Right. Well, do you ever feel like it's taken away from your creativity

because it is such a source of, inspiration at a certain point in your life, but then as time goes by, it kind of just becomes more of a regular everyday habit. Well, I mean, we're doing that type of, I mean, yeah, it would be, if that was like the only thing I limited myself to. You know what I'm saying?

It's kind of like I can have an overkill on, let's just call them domestic song, if I'm not also doing a, I can't really have an overkill on a domestic song if I'm not having an overkill on. on spirit-driven music, where there's satanic, where there's godly,

with this party music, where there's laid-back drug music, I'm gonna do the same amount of all that shit. And then I'm gonna just sit back and just pick and put them out like that. So hopefully I ain't over-killing the situation. Definitely. Was there anything you had to do in particular

to get clean off a lien? Or you just went for it? I just said, it was cold turkey. Yeah. I just came out of, I just came out of the fucking, I don't even know what you would call it, the condition that I was in. Like when I come back to, I'm trying to talk. And when you, when you're talking to somebody and it's a conversation,

and I'm talking to somebody about getting their business correct with a certain rapper, so he could free himself up and have a career. And he's trying to tell me, man, don't be telling me, you know, about squashing some, shit with somebody until you squash shit with people you need to squash some shit with. And right at that moment, I tried to say something in my, like, I just seen in my hand do that. Like, I wasn't unconscious of nothing. I just, and I looked at my shit, I was like, and I couldn't move my shit.

Then I tried to say, what the fuck, and ain't none of this shit work over here. Oh, shit. And then I just, I was out of it. And when I come to back to, I'm on some, I'm trying to tell the people in the room, I'm trying to say, man, I need some water. But all I'm seeing from the inside of myself and I'm hearing, I think I'm saying I want some water. But I'm like, I ain't got none of my motherfuck

motor functions in my face. My mouth ain't saying shit. And this time went on, it started just on, it was coming back to me. Right. Shit, I'm going to ask you. You go through some shit like that. You're going to drink that shit again.

Probably not. I feel like that's the kind of eye-opening experience you need. Man, look. I went home and poured, I still had gallons of that shit at home. Really? I came back to the crib after that. I mean, I poured, man, I poured like, this was at least $30,000 worth of drain of a fucking kitchen sink.

I'm doing this shit. You didn't think about this. I recorded my cell phone with it. I ain't wanna f*** with it at all. Really? Because I think even fucking with it would have made whatever or whoever allowed me to stay here, be like, all right, you fucking, you fucking with me for real? Right.

I don't even want to touch that shit. I'm not even going to put syrup on pancakes and I fuck cereal. I'm good. It's crazy because there's so, like, the younger generation of rapers so often, I'll just see them coming out, they start to get successful, and they just become hardcore lean heads. And it's like, from my perspective, I can think of so many interviews with different guys,

whether it's you or Bousie or whoever that I could point them to and be like, look, take 20 minutes and listen to this motherfucker to tell you how bad this shit is for you to make a daily habit out of. And they just, it's just impossible for them to process it. You can't really hear when you're doing it. Yeah. Because I mean, my fucking telling me and I was like, I got this shit under control.

Yeah. They was like, dude, you're 275 pounds. Mm-hmm. You got, you got a, you have a few chins. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like you, you breathe heavy for no reason. Your attitude f*** up.

And I'm like, no, it ain't. Just don't do no dumb shit around me. I ain't got to tell you about your, I ain't got to tell you about yourself. Mm. I'm f***ed up. on this shit. So you can't tell nobody that's into it, why they can't, or why they shouldn't be into it,

because it's going to feel like a attack. Right. So, you know, that's why I made this song, I can't leave drink alone. Yeah. I was tired of the motherfuck. Like, you ain't gonna, nah, bitch, I ain't gonna leave it alone. I like how to fucking taste. Why would I leave it alone? Right. I like how it tastes. Why do you want to be sleep all the time? If I ain't got to be

woke to fuck with you bitch-ass, you know what I'm saying? And that was my nice answer. Right. So, yeah, man. I lived that shit alone and a whole lot of shit, for me it's crazy because i feel like you know you guys are of the generation in which like the drugs sort of determined the tempo of the music and now it's like the music has gotten so fast and like a lot of these like younger drill rappers that we interview and shit like that it's like the pace of the music is so unbelievably fast that it's kind of mind-blown that they could also be

drinking lean and then choosing to make music that is you know difficult to even follow because it's so so intense. Man, I mean, when you went to that shit, it ain't nothing that you're going to limit you. You ain't got no ceiling of what you're going to do. I mean, because you're still the same creative mind. You just kind of floating now. And that type of shit, it tends to make you think you can do the shit that I saw without, you'll be like, I can't do that shit. That type of mind, shit. That type of mind going to tell you you can float and put your paper. hands on and come back on the floor and shit and walk out the door. Right.

And you're going to be mad if you can't get that shit done. Is that part of you that still misses like the effect it would have on you creatively and shit? Nah. Nah. The only part of that shit I miss is the heavier tone to my voice. Like my shit is like my shit is already naturally on the base side. But when you got that shit layered up under all that bullshit, it's kind of like it's

compressing you, not only you, but you. with your voice and shit. And so you want this bitch sounding like, you know, the gangstice version of Morgan Freeman that ever could be. And I think I sound cool right now.

But if I was drinking some drink, I'd sound like, I don't know, the rock or some shit like that. I don't know. Extra, like, super villain energy. Yeah. On some, like,

some, uh, Darth Vader type of, yeah, bang type shit. Now that these kids are fucking with the nitrous tanks. Yeah, I ain't fucking around.

That'll make your voice sound crazy as fuck, though. It probably make me dead too, though. I don't want to be that so good. Was that a thing when you were younger, or is that just strictly for the younger or the newer generation? With the drink? No, the nitrous.

Ah, man, I don't know nothing about this. You don't know, okay. I don't even want to learn. That's good. That shit sounds like, yeah, nitrous. I mean, you can just go in the store and buy it. I don't know. It does feel fucking good, but it's like in the long run,

it's a mother-fitter. Yeah, fuck that. I know a couple of people that lost you. use of their legs over it. See, you did a lead with that, and I ought to tell you, no, I'm good. I need my legs. Yeah.

No, definitely. As an older gentleman, you look at that, and you're like, well, this is an incredibly easy decision. I want to keep moving around and be able to walk. Young motherfuckers losing their legs. I'm not even a young motherfucker no mother. Right. Yeah, I'm good on the nitrous.

Right, definitely. I saw Mexican O.T. said that you're better than Tupac when he was on Joe Rogan, which is kind of a mind-blowing comparison. How did you feel about that? I mean, she, you know, somebody said, you better to park. That shit got to feel cool. Right.

You know what I'm saying? I couldn't chime in on that shit because I'm like, nah, I ain't having nobody trying to comfort me today with the bullshit. I'm going to feel like how I feel, but to see somebody like OT say that shit, I was like, like I knew you with me, but like, Right. When I start seeing that shit on multiple interviews,

and I had like, oh, shit. O.T. Go get me shot some motherfucking well. Right. But that's love, though. Like, I brought, man. Shout out to O.T. Because he really fucking with me like that. Right.

Yeah. No, that was mind-blowing. Especially because I feel like the younger generation a lot of times doesn't always want to make it clear who their influences are. They want to act like they're the original article. How'd you end up doing that song with him? Man, so, you know, Gavin and B. Don, you know, I'm doing an album with them. And so I'm at their studio all the time, you know, fucking with Slim and Propane,

cats like that. And B. Dunn ran across it one day. Like, man, you know, O.T. fuck with you for real. Like, okay, cool. You know, you hit. But then it's like, you know, you ain't really listening. And, you know, he just, hey, man, O.T. won't. He got a song for you.

So, I mean, they sent the song. They just sent the song. and I mean shit I did my part on that bitch and sent it back and they just hit me with a video date I showed up out there in his hood Bay City we shot that shit at the baseball field shit came out cool to drop that motherfucker

and we got like two more songs too he got another one I did with him and then he did one for me we got to shoot a video for us so yeah I rock with O.T I rock with him yeah honestly him giving you that respect is why he owned like that too Yeah.

That's the crazy part because like how you say everybody want to be like, well, yeah, you know, I am my influence and did nobody. So to see somebody do that shit, it feel funny because I ain't used to that. Right. There's a lot of people from my actual neighborhood that get on and, you know, it seemed like the motherfuck try their best to keep a grand canyon between us type shit. And I'm like, you know, that's cool. I ain't, you know, it's cool.

I ain't, you know, I was cool. I ain't trying to sleep with you with no shit. like that but i mean she it's just cool to see somebody you know do the flower thing you know what i'm yeah i remember being shocked when i sort of got into the music game and realized that that was a thing is that like a manager wouldn't want their young poppin artists to take a photo with like a dude who was in his 40s who was like a former pop and rapper or whatever and i'm just like holy shit like that's that's a thing like you're not supposed to show respect to your elders because you don't want people to get the wrong idea that that's strange state of affairs

to me. Yeah, it is. I mean, I guess everybody wants you to seem like you self-made. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's probably easier to push you if it's like, well, you know, hey, here's, you know, this is Adam 21. You know what I'm saying? But whatever you do, don't let them go with Adam 22. Right. Because that's the real ad. She, if we got Adam 22 right here, why the fuck we, that's why they don't want you to do that. Right. We can just go get Adam 22. But think about if you had like a son who was rapping, it's like he doesn't want to be seen with you all the time. Because then to the people, they're not going to be able to separate him. Like as much as it's a struggle to come from nothing and become a pop and rapper, it's like a separate but also a very difficult struggle to be like the son of a former or of a rapper and to have to kind of like live in their shadow.

I think about that a lot when I'm looking at somebody like Diddy and how his kids like they might have it made in a lot of senses, but they also have like a. a much more upward battle for people to take them serious as rappers and shit. They got some shit to live up to. Yeah. It's just like the son at home with his dad. You just kind of evolve into doing the opposite shit of your pops. Because you want them, like, I'm not junior. Right.

You know what I'm, I mean, that's what it was with me. I'm not junior. I'm role. Right. It's he roe. I mean, I don't do the same shit this nigga do. You know what I'm saying? So that's the type of shit I was on.

Right. So, I mean, I understand it. I don't, you know, I don't like it, but I mean, I understand it, though. Yeah. I understand that shit. No, definitely. Do you, have you thought about signing artists over the years, or have you dipped your tone into that? I thought about it.

And I dipped in a little bit of, you know, at times. And that shit, that shit don't never really work out for me. Really? Because I was just telling my, I was just telling my homie cook, I was like, hey, man, you know, when you own for you and you, you. you getting your shit for you. If you ain't getting a deal for somebody, like just my own personal thing. If I'm not sitting across the table,

you know what I'm saying, negotiating a deal for you so you can become what I was 10 years ago, 10, 15 years ago, so shit like that, man, I'm not gonna fuck with that shit because that mean I'm gonna be going in my pocket taking care of you. I gotta do all this shit out of my pocket. And then most of the time, if the shit don't go right,

people don't understand the business, the ends in the house, and the main thing, they're going to say is you f*** over me. They're not going to believe that they didn't sell. And then I'm like, man, you know what it is? Do you know what the stream is? Like this shit fraud in the motherfuck.

You got to be somebody like me. You got to be somebody with a 10-yard-ready before this shit happened in order to still be able to even eat. Right. Because this are people that's dope that I put my hands on. And I mean, God honestly dope. But since they weren't known before and they didn't already come in with their cult following,

like I did, it should be hard in the month. And I mean, I can do this shit, but I'm gonna be doing this shit with my zero money. Yeah. And if I'm gonna do this shit, you better be a grateful motherfucker. Right, like if you wanna pop an artist off, you probably need to put like at least 100 grand into them. Yeah. For you to have realistically,

probably a less than 5% chance of them actually becoming profitable. And then if they do very, very big chance that at some point they're gonna look at it and be like, why am I given 50%? to this dude, even though realistically they probably would have never left their neighborhood if it wasn't for that investment. Indeed. And I mean, but like, they not fin of understand what you just said, you know what I'm saying?

Right. They're going to look at that as just, ah, man, you just coming up with a reason. I'm like, nah, like, you dope. Like me, I learned early. Before the internet, man, I focused on my concerts. Because when I seen the money, wouldn't, what it was supposed to be, at least this side of the board, I can control how much I want for this shit. I'm going here, your place hold 2,500 people.

You're doing $60 of, okay, blam, bam, man, man. Yeah, I want about 40. Let me by 40. And then motherfuckers get to just, oh, okay, well, okay, cool. So now when this chick come in and this bitch say 40, but I done did eight shows and I got by like, you know, damn near a quarter of, I ain't really that. upset right you upset later because you're like yeah this shit here is this shit is fucking me

but I'm fucking this shit right so I mean I guess it's a mono and mono that's what I was doing when I was young right so once I got in a position where I can be like I can be a CEO I just want to be a CEO for myself right I don't want to tell down no more more relationships with people because they don't understand so I tried that shit shit filled so I just do me like I went one deep entertainment yeah I think It's also a lot to do with just being honest with yourself about what kind of person you are. If you're like a real sort of periental figure and you do well in that environment of sort of bossing a bunch of people around and wanting to constantly keep your thumb on exactly what they have going,

then it might work for you. I can't do it. A lot of people like I feel like you and I are probably in the same bucket that were very independent and very focused on what I want to be doing for the day. And the more responsibility I take on, I mean, there's a certain degree of responsibility that you're just going to have to do in terms of your girl, your kid, or whatever. But if your business is that, like, oh, at any given time, I've got 10 artists that I need to be worried about how they're doing. And then also knowing that at any given moment,

you might just have to move on from this person if it seems like it's actually not working. I mean, it just takes a certain type of person. And it'll never be a mystery why, you know, people would be like, why doesn't Snoop sign a bunch of artists under death row? To me, it's like, well, if he's making you know, millions of dollars doing Corona commercials. It's probably not terribly attractive to him to go find all the dope local young gang bangers from L.A. and put them on paperwork, you know? Yeah, because, I mean, you don't know what you're getting yourself into. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? Like you say, you, everybody's talented right now. But I mean, that don't mean, talent don't mean, you don't mean financials. It just means talent. And you already know the talent ain't shit. It's what, you know, it's the business that you know, the, the show. you put on. In our actuality, the lie you tell, the lie you tell makes the stream or the sell.

So I mean, shit, that's the game right now. And I mean, like you say, I don't have that shit in me to just keep my thumb on nobody and be like, what you're doing. No, I don't go here, don't go to there because the shit I'm trying to keep them away from, they're going to see me at that, motherfucker. So I don't want to be no hypocrite either. So I'm just rocking out with me, anybody with what you. one of these, you know, one of these hats or one deep entertainment chain.

It's just because I rock with them like that, and I ain't trying to be in control of the shit. You know what I'm saying? I mean, of course I am who I am, but I mean, she, everybody I'm rocking with. They do their own thing. So it's like I consider it the head of that month. Heffner considered it to head of that month. Like, Mike D. Cook, whoever, like, I don't give it damn long as we're sitting at the table. It's cool.

Definitely. I consider you to have like one of the most innovative flows in rap history realistically in terms of just like finding ways to insert additional elements of melody into a relatively standard rap. Do you see the impact that your stylistic innovations have had on like other rappers? Because when I was thinking about it, listening to a lot of your music in the lead up to this, I can see how somebody like young boy or somebody like Polo G who like is very good at taking their bars and sort of switching it into a more melodic mode. Like even if those artists might be young enough that they might not necessarily even know that they were probably influenced by somebody who was influenced by you.

Do you see that? Do you feel like you listen to a lot of rappers and you see that impact? Yeah, of course. I mean, I mean, I see it all the time. I've been doing this shit for a long time on a, on the melodical on the melody side. And I mean, of course, I mean, of course Drake, you know what I'm saying, I see that shit in Drake.

I don't know who listened to me. So I mean, I do like what you said, you know, that they are influenced by people who are influenced by me. Like I ain't gonna never jump out and just get on a live and just rent, be like, I know you motherfuckers. Just the thanks to that. I don't really care about that shit.

But I mean, I see it and it's dope to me. You know what I'm saying? that can, you know, do that shit for one, I mean, they deserve to be heard. You know what I'm saying? Whether I like them or not, you know what I'm saying? They deserve to be heard. I f***ed that melodical shit. He'll me pass time on the highway, and it turns out a whole lot of other motherfuckers like

that shit, too. And I love to see that shit. Like, you know, I met the young boy one time, you know, it was a slapdap and he went that way. I went that way. You know what I'm saying? I meet some cats. Like, it was like that when I met Mo3.

You know what I'm saying? I think it was a show he was opening up for me. And I met him, you know, we took a picture of shit. We took a picture out here in Hollywood, I want to say, in 2018, for the BET during 2018. So I mean, but I mean, it would never know, hey, what's up? We need to do something. It was just a, what's up? Everybody is just up, you know, what's up?

And I understand, because it was that shit we were saying. At first, you don't want to, or like you say, we're going to put it on the powers there be, they don't want you to be with the person that probably is the reason why. you are what you are. So, I mean, I understand that shit. Because shit, if it's me and the motherfucker, like, because of him, I'm doing this, I'm cool, we don't want to look at you no more.

We want to look at the origin. We want to see where it came from. And I just might be potentially taking bread out your pocket. So that's why they want it like that. Right, definitely. Who do you still listen to? If you hop in the car,

what are you most likely to throw on? Man, this is going to be the most boringest animals in the world. I have not listened to nobody except the most of it done. Really? since I did no jumper. What? Eight years?

I mean, like, what's the point? You know what I'm saying? And I mean, I ain't, I'm not knocking nobody else. It's just, I've been independent this whole time. And that's really when my rap career, into it, that's when my rap career started. We know that motherfuck started in 1998, but we're talking about naturally 2016

is when I actually was like, sat down and actually did my rap career. my first real interviews. Really? I mean, that press run when I met you. That's when my shit started. I wouldn't get no money

up until that point. Really? That's when I first was talking with Empire, and I'm like, so hold on, you mean a check come every month? I've been used to,

all right, bam, give me an album. Huh, here'll go a check. Next year, get your album, give me a check. These motherfuck, like, he'll go an album.

I have them. All right. July, here go a check. August. Like, you mean, I've been getting a motherfucking chick every day since 2016.

Right. I had the ass heavy like, hey, it's something wrong with these motherfuckers. Like, they overpaying me. Like, he's like, nah,

this is how your shit's supposed to be. So I don't get a fuck. If I lose out of my hair, I'm trying to keep doing this shit because this shit is good money. Yeah, because I guess you kind of initially came,

up in that weird era in between like CDs selling like crazy and then the internet fully taken off and streaming becoming everybody's primary source of revenue so before 2016 what was the money coming from just like getting album advances and then doing shows that's it advances and shows and and hooks and verses for people so the hooks a version to people like that's what that shit came from and uh I didn't know about uh I ain't even know about like shit like like sound exchange and sit like that. Like money was just sitting there. You know, Watts had to tell me about sound exchange

and to get my shit together and certain other people had to tell me about other shit. And I was like, because I was used to just getting this check and they were on whatever I'm charging for a show, that was it. Right. Yeah, so I don't know. I think that's why the career is still lasting right now though, because of that type of I had to live through that shit

and I still apply them rule. Yeah, I mean, it's dope to be able to see an artist, establishing a real career, you know, outside of the initial blowup and being able to figure out how to keep that consistent. Do you, like, is your perspective on Texas that it's like one of the most burgeoning states in America? Because I think in California, we look at Texas as kind of the state that has become like the primary competition with California, culturally, economically. We see people like Joe Rogan and Elon Musk move into Texas. and taking their business there and everything.

Does it feel like that to you as well, being on the ground? Well, I mean, well, I know the taxes is better. Yeah, that's a big reason for most people, yeah. Yeah, I mean, you know, as 50, like, oh, now, the taxes, I'm going to Houston. Everybody's in that motherfuck because of that. But, I mean, that's probably the first time I actually heard the word as, you know, being viewed as like the comp. But I guess in a way it could be because we do have, I mean, we've been having,

on our own shit since the beginning, it just wasn't on fire the way Cali has been on fire with y'all on shit for years. It's kind of like to know about Texas shit, you had to come to Texas. You got people that was in Texas that was going to swear by Cali.

And then I want to say that Callie music would be on our radio stations because our big artists, You know what I'm talking about Beyonce, Scarface when he was in the ghetto boys and he was in it, you know, whatever was on the radio was mostly non-Huston in Houston. So you're going to, you was going to hear West Side Connection and Q, you know what I'm saying, Steele. You know what I'm saying? You're going to hear, like, everybody that's Cali on it.

You ain't like that up here. So it's like it'll be forced-fed on us to pick up on y'all lifestyle because we live. listening to it through y'all top artists. But it's because like the labels are signing dudes from New York and LA during that era. And then the labels are the ones who have the direct relationships with radio. So as a result, the radio is playing Snoop Dog

as if he's the most popular rapper in Houston. Yeah. When there's all these like this whole underground movement going on in Houston that they're not necessarily like set up to be able to embrace. They can't embrace it because I mean, number one, the program, it might not fit the, the criteria of the programming coming from

the East Coast. Right. You know what I'm saying? Like you go to a couple of radio stations there and now, yeah, in the mix show, yeah, they can fuck with your shit out there in the mix show. But shit on the drive and then, you know, on the shit that's getting scanned, nah, these is for the big dogs only. And I mean, like, yeah, that underground shit is cool.

But if you're from Cali to get this underground, you got to come down there and see that shit. Or you got to be coming down there to Houston with somebody that's already in the know of it. So it just took us a minute to catch up to being known for our culture. Because we've always known about child culture. Yeah. See, we was living that shit. Like, we didn't drink no motherfucking gin and juice to snoop came out with that shit.

We drank syrup and shit. Yeah. And then, you know, screw slowing that shit down. And, you know, that's how we learned. And I say that shit on every interview out here. Like, man, that's how we learned about y'all from DJ's group, made California popular with us through slowing down all of them got there. all the hits that was hits out here making them hits down there at a different

tempo. Definitely. Man, yeah. So, yeah, we knew he just wasn't transferring back as fast as it was coming down south. Definitely. Do you have any, like, legitimate interest in country music? Did you grow up listening to any significant amount of it?

Because culturally, it feels like it keeps becoming more and more a part of the conversation. Yeah, it is. I mean, I never, I mean, I mean, who ain't heard of Tennessee whiskey? You know what I'm saying? But I mean, you know, you know, I didn't come up listening to no country music. I didn't come up listening to music at all until I even got to, so I even got to the city part of Texas anyway.

So, but I mean, nah, I mean, it's always been there, but I've never, I've never done nothing. I've never really just sat out and just listen to some Garth or some Randy. Right. You know what I'm saying? Been to, you know, been to Willie Nelson studio a couple times, but smoke weed, I ain't never do no country song. How does it feel to see, you know, there's like a whole new archetype of rappers from down south where it's like if the rab and thing don't really work out, they kind of pivot over to country and find a new life.

Like, I mean, Jelly Roll is the most extreme example of that. And I was telling my girl, because she thinks jelly roll is so singing. And I'm like, you realize that jelly rolls, it's not like post Malone where he had one foot in hip hop and then blew up and kind of like just went straight in like a more country direction. I'm like, Jelly Roll was an unpopular rapper. He was like, you know, with 3-6, he was a little white's homie, but he wasn't like blowing up. And then he pivoted into the country shit and went absolutely crazy selling 200K first week and shit. Like, that's pretty extraordinary.

I don't know if we've really seen that before. That's crazy. Because I didn't, you know, I didn't even know about it. Oh, okay. Yeah, I'm so into me. This is news to me right now. Oh, shit, 200? He's going crazy.

And I'm like, I'm telling her, I'm like, there is a little white video I can show you where you are not going to believe what jelly roll looks like. He's just a straight. The song is pop another pill. Fat is just like looking like the most white trash, drug addict dude that you've ever seen in your life. And this is the guy who's like headlining country music festivals and shit like that. It's unbelievable. That's crazy. Hey, man, look, shout out to reinventing yourself.

Fact. See, I mean, I've had to reinvent myself. I mean, nothing that up. Because that's, yeah, that's really a reinvention. I haven't had to go that far yet, but I mean, that's dope to those who can do it. I feel like you could do it. I feel like your flow and delivery would, like, lend itself well to a country sound. It probably would, but I probably wouldn't be able to stop laughing.

I'll be in them, uh, singing by some shit. Everybody be crying and shit. Nah, I can't do that shit. Country songs make you crash your car until the wild. and shit you're thinking about, oh shit, the bitch not coming back. Right. God damn it, my light bill, just,

nah, fuck it. My shit, I really do that in rap. Nah, I don't know. Yeah, definitely. How that Shaq feature come together? Man, you know, I just, I was watching the Rockies game. He was commentating on there.

I did. He was either before the game or during the half, and they was in the background, playing most of it done. And I don't know all the dudes, but of course I knew Shaq and Kenny Smith. You know, Kenny Smith was saying some shit and they were trying to talk to Shaq,

but Shaq was over there just, like, man, I was like, hold on he was rapping my lyrics. He was doing my shit on the interview thing. Right. And so I was like, damn. So I just DM'd them. I say, Shaq, man, look, this is Zero from Houston. I couldn't help but to know that you was,

you was rapping my shit on, whatever this shit is called, inside the NBA, or whatever it is, man, I want to remix y'all up. Can't stand the rain? He hit me back almost immediately. He's like, shit, I stole your song three years ago. We might as well. I like, what you mean?

He did three city done. He freestyled over my most of it done. Freestyle needing to let me hear. I was like, damn. So he was like, yeah, man, make the beat and send it to me. I had the beat made a couple of times. I sent it to him. He put this shit on there and sent it back.

And the song was old. The song was on Rohama Ali record. But about, I guess, a year and a half later, he came to Houston. And was like, hey, I'm in time. You want to shoot that video? I got a cameraman. We just shot that shit on the spot. See, it came out of good, though.

It was dope. Right. Yeah, especially for it just, yeah, I'm over here at the post, though, pull up, let's find some with the shoot. And that's all we did. No, that's crazy. Just like, because I remember when I was like a very small child, Shaq was kind of doing his initial rap run.

Yeah. And it's crazy to see him still being willing to jump in there. He spit on that mouth, too. Yeah. See, we were on two different things. You know, I was on some, I was on some, you know, kind of like to motivate, trying to motivate people. He came on their bitch giving homage to the greats in Houston.

So that's what made that shit so dope about Shaq. So yeah, definitely shout out to him for that too. Did you get the idea he had a ghostwriter or he was just doing it? Man, I didn't see Shaq sit down and write all that shit. Yeah. He FaceTime and sometimes be like, hey, check this out. And then he'll just have his phone.

He'll be, I'm like, I don't know. That shit sounds like, this don't sound like the dude that on Papa Jones and shit. Like, they just sound like, you rap it. Yeah. And then that other shit he put, like, ever since that, he's been putting out some shit where he been spitting on. So I'm like, that shit might have opened up a door. It occurred to me that it must be kind of awkward shooting a rap video

with somebody who's that much taller than you. Man. Like, I did not want to be, like, right next to. him because it's like, like, I'm used to being kind of like, you know, I ain't big, but I ain't never just been the smallest dude at the room. Right. That shit don't feel good.

Right. You know, and especially when he'd be like, what's up? It's like, nah, you don't really want to, you don't want to death. Like, you know, I want some other shit. It's like, nah, you know, I don't know, you're too tired. Right. Let's just do this shit like that because, nah, man, like you're thinking by the stupid shit, like,

like I might be, I might be near to this nigga nuts or something. Yeah. I don't want to be this close. Like, don't, you know, I don't want to be like, it's like, hey, how you doing? Right. That's how you want to, because this nigga 30 feet tall, you know what I'm saying? So it was cool, but, like, it wouldn't cool over the debt part. Right.

Made me look like an infant or some shit. You got to be aware of the perception to the people out there and everything like that because, yeah, Lamar Odom was in here a couple months ago, and it's like, when I'm shaking hands with him, it's like, oh, I feel like a little boy. Yeah. Like, in a way, I haven't felt in a long, long time. Man, I got some footage out there. from when he opened up his big chicken restaurant

on West Hamer in the gallery of part of Houston, I went up there to go up to fool him. And it's, and he's like, yeah, what's so, bro? And it's kind of like he, when he pulled me in, I'm like, damn, everybody's looking. I had to put my, so I had to kind of like block that shit. It's like, I just don't want to, you know, it just don't look, you know, shout out to Shaq.

But hell not, man, the dude that's tall and the bitch. Song was dope, but to dab. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. Definitely. How well did you know beat came? Ah, man.

Beat came, man. We ain't never hung out. But you're a constant presence in the clubs, and that was kind of where he did his thing constantly. Yeah. And, I mean, you know, we had each other's number and shit. You know, I gave him a feature back in 2018. You know, we've been in a lot of the same places when we'd have.

You know, we hang out. We ain't never really, I mean, he takes me, he texts me for, he takes me to pull up, I guess his artist Talamisha. He texts like, you know, me, Kiki Slim to pull up on her video shoot, you know, shit like, shit like that we always did. Then we'll text each other back and forth on the phone and shit. Like we actually was talking about doing a podcast where it was going to, he was going to be, I forgot his character, but I was going to be like a Kevin Samuel's type of motherfucker. But just, I hate these bitches type shit. And he was going to be on some other, it was going to be some comedy shit, but it was going to be for real too at the same time.

Right. As soon as we start talking about this shit, that shit. Wow. Yeah, shit crazy. Same shit. Same shit would be pokey. Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what it was with Beacon, but I know, I think he had like some kind of health, heart issue.

Yeah. It really stands out like, oh, fuck, we got to all take care of ourselves. Yeah, man, like it's. That shit crazy because, like, you already, I already don't know, but like, damn, dude, like, Beekin, like, you couldn't be mad at Beekin for nothing. Yeah. Even if you was mad at Beekin, you couldn't because he was a clown, you know what I'm a fucking comedian. Right. He was good people.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, seen him at the, at the Chittalian wing piece of truck a couple of times. Because like from where I live, where I stayed by the golf course, he like, he was like way down by some other rich ass golf court shit. So we was on the same side of time. We always meet up at the hood is piece of chicken wings. You call it a Thai Italian? I think that's a name. Like Chinese and Italian food together?

I guess that's what it is. I guess that's what it is. And it's over there like in the Greenspoint type of little area like in the hood. Right. So we both come from these nice respect. areas to meet up in the hood to get this shit that's killing us. Right. And, you know, I was like, wings and pizza.

My goddamn well, I'm getting this shit after the gym. Yeah. I was like, yeah, man, that shit's that you got to watch that shit. No, that's a tough call right there. Because it's like you make it in life. But it's like if you want to, if you want to have everything, then you got to like make it in life and then also be willing to sacrifice enjoying eating huge amounts of terrible food.

Right, right. It's tough to find that balance. Yeah. Yeah, you gotta bring your shit with you. Yeah. Glu cooler, some shit like that. Are you that hardcore with the food or not? I mean, at times I am.

At times I am, because I mean, most times I'm gonna wake up and I do food at all. I'm gonna wake up and do a, and do me like a little Mike Rashid shake or some shit like that. You know, just some of just Ambrosia shit. Go work out. Lead that motherfucker, go to Salada, go home, do another shake, and then eat a real meal for I just.

I go to sleep, but still on some, like, some fish and some shit like that. Now, I'm not in Ryan his mouth trying to just do pizza and all this fried shit. Like, it's, I'm trying to eat. So I want to hold what I got right now because I'm way smaller than, even when I came up here, I'm way smaller than I was. Right. And that shit is on purpose. Definitely.

Yeah. Was it kind of bizarre for you to have what would normally have just been, you know, old friends getting into a little situation argument to have that become national news when the situation with you and Tres all of a sudden on TMZ and all that kind of shit. Like that was that was kind of surprising to me. I'm like, I'm like, I'm... It wasn't to me. Really?

You knew that that would be cat in it for them? Of course. I mean, of course, like, why other reason would you do it? Right. You know what I'm saying? But, I mean, it's been like that before. Like, this shit is always like that, you know, with certain people. And I mean, I understand for, I mean, I understand for my own underlying reason.

reasons why. But I mean, you know, it's not one surprise at all. I mean, I mean, people like that look for opportunities to do shit like that. And I mean, and when I have to think about it like, yeah, it was an opportune moment for you. I'm by myself. And the thing that was different about this time is that you wouldn't by yourself. I see you all the time. Right. And I see you as just you and me. Like I might have a security if I'm doing a show, but I'm not I mean, what the fuck I'm gonna have a security for every day in my life. Right. Like, I don't need security.

I don't do shit to people. So I've been seeing you all this month for the time. I see you, I see you giving a grill. I'm with Johnny Dang. We're bringing a grill to snoot dog. You're right there in the library. It's just you and your kid. You know, you see me walking in.

I see you. I keep on talking to Johnny. I ain't got, you know, I'm f*** with you. Right. And you don't fuck with me. So when you got shit to say to each other. You are around. the corner. I see you everywhere. I'm by myself, you by yourself. I never catch you, or it's me and

I saw him the night before. And it was like me, little flip, a couple of young ladies that I know, my manager at the time, and whoever the fuck is. I'm about like six or seven deep. He was over there about maybe two or three deep. So I mean, I'm six or seven deep. Ain't nobody got nothing to say. Right. I see you when it's you by yourself and me by your own. self, me by myself, you ain't got nothing to say. Now you see me as you plus three and it's me by myself, here we go. Right. So, I mean, if you did type of a dude, then you did the right thing.

You ain't going to do shit by yourself. Right. I don't know too many motherfuckers that's going to do shit to me by themselves. So I get the idea that you guys haven't really had a conversation or sort of squashed it. I mean, it wasn't nothing to squash. Right. It wasn't nothing to squash. I walk away from this situation because the situation ain't cool.

And that was it. I ain't had to sit there about this guy. For what? I mean, I'm getting my blessings are more abundant by myself. What am I mad for, for disassociating myself with you for? But I mean, you know, you always hear about shit getting said. You hear about, I mean, like, it's, yeah, it's some heavy shit that go on with that type of hate. Right.

Like, when you hate somebody that much, like, you ain't going to be able to focus. That was one of the main sentiments that I saw in terms of how people were talking about. about it is that people just seem kind of disappointed to see somebody as legendary as that or whatever, taking care of an issue in such a public way or whatever. Like, that could have gone down a lot of other ways. Yeah, or making the issue because it ain't no issue. It shouldn't even been like that. Making the issue.

I mean, like, yeah, you're making the issue, I guess for music. Then you lying about shit's not looking good on you. We didn't jump. Oh, nah, it was him. It was this. It was that. And then when all of the second video came out, because dude wanted to get the truth out there.

Like, it's a whole lot of shit that's going on with this type of story. And it's definitely on the, oh, shit, there you go, get your phone ready type shit. I mean, you know, you ain't do that shit the night before when it was, you know, me and Little Flip and whoever else it was with me because we're not giving the fuck about what you got going on. We're here because 50 invited us here. Right. You know what I'm saying? and that's what we're doing.

We in here fucking around with 50 and the dude that played Tommy and the cast from, you know, from Tommy's TV show. We're enjoying ourselves, having drinks and shit. So, I mean, you over here mad about what? Because I don't rap with you no more or some shit like that or because you keep saying shit about me behind my back and this shit getting to me. So you're mad because I hear the shit that you're saying about me.

So I'm like, nah, man. But nah, that had to go on like that, dealing with an individual like that. Right. Yeah, he got his charges dismissed. I mean, shit, he was going to, I mean, it's fighting. It's Texas. That shit, $300. Right.

Yeah. I mean, you know, you do some shit like that and see, if you're thinking, like how I was thinking. Because my mind working. Right. Hey, yeah, let's go over here so we can talk about this. Okay, cool. Come over here to talk about this. You get junk.

So the whole time I'm trying to get up, get off the ground. I ain't know I'm trying to get out the ground. I got my judge right here. Hmm. So I'm a feeling. I'm at a bar. I got some shit I'm not supposed to have at a bar as a feeling. So what if I get out of the ground and I, mm-mm, mm-mm.

Very different story. That shit is justifiable because I'm getting jumped. But I probably can't beat this shit. Why you got a gun up here? Right. Why you got a gun up here. And then you got them. All right.

this Texas, we're gonna do this and we're gonna record it. You just gave yourself a case. You put this shit up here for the DA to see. You put this shit up here because you wanna try to embarrass me and send a narrative out there, nah, my little brother did this. So when the other guy was like, nah, he came through his bitch trying to tell us to delete what we had in our phones. And he didn't, he uploaded the shit and put out what really happened.

So that changed the narrative of the story. Right. But like I said, I don't know too many people gonna really just do some shit one-on-one against me. So, I mean, you write to get somebody to jump me. Right. Because by myself, I don't know if you're gonna make it. I saw some people on a clubhouse and shit like that

trying to give you a hard time about speaking about it to the news. Yeah, that's cool. What's your thoughts on that? I don't have no thoughts on that. Like, I mean, shit, I'm speaking about it to the news because what he's lying and talking about on his, Like one thing about it, I'm gonna say what I need to say about the situation one time, and then I'm gonna let this shit be, what it's gonna be after that.

So when the shit came out that the altercation happened, or publicist at the time, like, hey, TMZ wanna highlight you. So I told him like, yeah, yeah, the shit happened. So before the shit come out, y'all wondering, yeah, it did happen, but I'm gonna handle this shit in another type of way, I'm gonna be the bigger man. I left for the long. So people that was, and I talked to that dude the next day, like, like, by around 10, 11 in the morning,

he called back somebody that I knew. And we was all on three-way. You know, we tried to lie and say some shit like, well, you know, man, you know how he is. He ended up party cracking his knuckles and looking at us. And like, man, Adam, let me tell you some. I do believe I'm a bad motherfucker. But him, him, him, I ain't gonna just come in here

and just be like, hey, Adam, f*** you and him. Let's go. I do know I'm a bad, motherfuck. But I ain't, but I ain't, uh, Zero Lee, uh, Joseph Chan or no shit like that. I'm fin the fuck up one person. Getting jump is getting jump. So you really gonna try to sell this shit to my homie on the phone that I saw y'all and I charged four people and that I was drunk.

Yeah, man, you know, motherfuckers be trying to create narratives so they, you know, they can make their side of the story look better. Right. So, I mean, you know, it's good. People got to say what they got to do to say. But I mean, nah, I'm not going to looking for no more in trouble. I've been f***ing with 50 this whole weekend. You know what I'm saying?

I f***ing with Toyota, say, hey, come to Kimson tomorrow. I pull up at Kimson. I see the dudes in there, the whole, like, I don't see them in there, but I text my homie and I told my homie. I say, hey, man, I think these are, I think these cats is in here. So he was like, oh, okay, cool, let me know if you want me to pull up. I'm like, no, I'm good, I'm cool. As soon as I walk out, you know, here they come, this is a plan.

this is a plan. Right. So that's all that shit is. Damn. And I mean, it's good. I mean, I had to do whatever I do on the left side when I'm banging. I had to have some real shit like that. So, I mean, that little bitch I had seven or six seconds,

whatever the fuck it was. I mean, I'm right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So the kind of stuff that, I mean, especially when you describe it that way, that you could have easily turned this whole situation

into a very different type of situation, you know. I mean, man, for the most part, If you ask me, motherfuckin don't like me because I don't want to rap with them. I think it's just some shit that's what it is underlying. It's supposed to be some family shit. I saw some family shit that wouldn't family shit and I removed myself from the family.

That's all that shit is. And I mean, I understand because I am a bad rapping motherfucker. I'm a bad motherfucker on that microphone. So if I leave, you ain't going to replace me. I don't give a fuck who you're going to go get. But I mean, you know, shit, just like if I was trying to do some shit, like, I'm not going to be able to replace him. Right. So I understand, yo, this damn for me.

I don't give a fuck about it because away from you is this much money. Right. You know what I'm saying? I don't want to go nowhere. So you think that's a situation that'll never get patched up because you just have like a mutual disrespect for each other? I mean, shit, would you patch it up? Because, see, one thing about me. Once it gets physical like that, it's like a whole bigger hurdle to over.

come, you know? Yeah, yeah. And the thing about it is, you're the soulless sucker shit to people who don't even know me. Right. That's the whole part about it. You brainwashing people about me

that probably would, there probably would be eye with me or some shit. I would be eye with them. But I mean, you brainwashing people about me and at the end of the day, it's just, I don't fuck with you. You don't fuck with me, I don't fuck with you.

That's it. So I mean, yeah, nah, that shit ain't go. Ain't no amount of money. I don't get fucked about no. I don't need no money. And it's like, I wouldn't want no money with that type of sweat on it. I can't be like poxie. I remember he said, man, when I look in the mirror, I got to see myself.

I ain't fun to judge, yeah, you know what? Yeah, they did this shit here, but they're offering $7 million. Man, fuck that's $7 million. I'm going to use that motherfuckin' $7 million to get back on your motherfucking ass or something like that. So now, my best things is just stay the fuck away from you. Your best things is to stay the fuck away from you. is a state of fuck away from me.

Right. Yeah. Definitely. Your publicist is over here trying to get us to wrap it up. So I just appreciate your time, man, so much. And legend. Man. Again, I really appreciate it because when I look back at my career, I'll never forget

about the fact that you showed me love in 2016 when you really didn't have to. So I appreciate that, man. I definitely had to, though. I appreciate you, man. I didn't realize that that was like an era that was like your career taking on a whole new life. Yeah, man. It was. It was.

It was that whole run. I had never done shit like that before. I've been out in LA, but it was strictly for weed. Right. But that time, it was like, nah, I'm... And doing some big shit too. Definitely. So I was like, yeah, man, I had too.

For sure. Appreciate your time, man. Appreciate you. Zero, go turn them up on all streaming services. No jumper. Like, comment, subscribe. Coolest podcast. We out.