No Laying Up - Golf Podcast - 1000: We Never Got This Far In Our Dreams

Episode Date: May 7, 2025

We've reached the 1000th episode of the No Laying Up podcast. To celebrate the occasion, DJ asked Soly, TC, Randy and Neil to come up with some superlatives from our catalogue of episodes: Hardest you've laughed on the pod, most stressful moment, favorite guest, most underrated guests, favorite bit in pod history and most electric prediction. We've combed through the archives and pulled clips for as many of the gang's responses as we could and hope you enjoy this trip down memory lane. Join us in our support of the Evans Scholars Foundation: https://nolayingup.com/esf Support our sponsors: ⁠Oars and Alps The Stack The Nest If you enjoyed this episode, consider joining⁠⁠⁠⁠ The Nest⁠⁠⁠⁠: No Laying Up’s community of avid golfers. Nest members help us maintain our light commercial interruptions (3 minutes of ads per 90 minutes of content) and receive access to exclusive content, discounts in the pro shop, and an annual member gift. It’s a $90 annual membership, and you can sign up or learn more at ⁠⁠⁠⁠nolayingup.com/join⁠⁠⁠⁠ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Newsletter here: https://newsletter.nolayingup.com/ Subscribe to the No Laying Up Podcast channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@NoLayingUpPodcast Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Thank you for tuning back in episode two of the No Laying Up official podcast. Unfortunately, not all in the same room this time. We are in four different cities spread out across the United States. We're here to deliver our usual scalding hot takes. Be the right club. Be the right club today. Yes! That's better than most.

How about in? That's better than most. club today. All right. Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen, to the no laying up podcast. Oh, it's so hard to listen to, but ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the no leg up podcast for officially the 1000th time in the history of this production, whatever you want to call it. Uh, Sally here, uh, we got a round table, uh, ready to look back at 11 plus years in a thousand freaking episodes later. Big Randy. Hello, mr. Big. Hey guys, never got this far in my dreams. We have microphones currently that we obviously did not have in that opening recording that you heard DJ Pies

here. Hello, pie man. Greetings guys. Listen, started as a listener, just to just humbled and honored every day to now, now be a panelist. Great to be with you. Mr. I'm a big fan of your channel. I'm a big fan of your channel. I'm a big fan of your channel. I'm a big fan of your channel. I'm a big fan of your channel. I'm a big fan of your channel. I'm a big fan of your channel. I'm a big fan of your channel.

I'm a big fan of your channel. I'm a big fan of your channel. I'm a big fan of your channel. I'm a big fan of your channel. I'm a big fan of your channel. I feel like there was some baked layers involved, but if you don't know that story as TC just chomping on chips right next to the recorder in the very first episode of our podcast. And of course he's here. Mr. TC. Greetings guys.

We've come a long way from the Karama hibachi steakhouse and Kutcher winning all that stuff. Cody McBride is here as well running the ones and twos per usual. Hello, Mr. Cody. Hello. Thank you gentlemen. I'm very excited. And just like DJ started out as a listener,

but look ma, here I am. Let's do it. I mean, it's a thousand episodes. I never would have predicted it. I mean, I think we're pretty close to, if we haven't touched the sun and fallen back down to earth yet, I don't know if we're going to, but if you do touch the sun,

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And you can take the skin quiz and you can build your own kit. You can check them out at oresandalps.com. That's a thousand reps people. How about that transition? Just flawless stuff. Professionalism, which we didn't always have. And you can argue at times that we don't currently have in all facets of when we're doing this. But Dee, do you want to tell us a little bit about what we're going to do today? Yeah. I put together some, some superlative, some questions, you know, wanted to get everybody in the, in the memory bank, go through some favorite moments, answer a couple of questions and, you know, just kind of a, kind of a look

back, you know, kind of a, a sit in the, sit in the easy chair and talk about the old days. Randy, you down for that? You got it. It's important to remember the memories, Deidre. I'm very much down with it. Heritage, not hate this week. Right guys. That's right. Well, I don't think this is coming out. We're leaning into our heritage. Neil, let me start before we get into it.

What would you how would you describe to people? What's changed the most over the last thousand episodes? The word I would say is organization, honestly. I think we've probably mentioned this before, but it used to be turn the mics on as far up as like twenty, twenty one. And like, let's a true go down the leaderboard. Like, what do you gotta say? What do you gotta say about Rom?

What do you gotta say about Fleetwood? What do you got? What she got for me tonight? And it was kind of a, and one mixtape of dribble, dribble, throw it up my shirt, spinning around my back, pass it to TC, you know? TC's spinning on his finger, heads it over to Sally. And Randy, I think it was you that was like,

guys, I'm going to go nuts. I need, I just need an agenda. I need something on paper. And I think that agenda stuff has gotten better and better and more refined. And I think it enables us then to, I don't know, riff even easier because there's kind of a, it's almost like sheet music. Like we all know, riff even easier because there's kind of a, it's almost like sheet music. Like we all know, like we know where we're going next. And so that like puts you at ease a little bit, but that's, that's my, that's my biggest change over the last 10 years. Well, it really, it, it,

even you jumping right into it just being like recaps and talk is a big change from how things originally were. I mean, it was like mostly interviews. When we started out, it was truly like no schedule at all of like, we want to do a recap this week. Yeah, sure. We'll do one. Uh, we probably do about five times as many episodes in a year as we probably did back then. Not that many, but at least probably two to three times, but it was interview. And then it was just like at a certain point, it was like, man, it's kind of,

we're circling back to some of the lot of the same people always chasing interviews got more and more and more exhausting. We started experimenting with a lot more different formats, probably starting in 2018 and through 2020. And then when COVID hit is when things really changed of like, we were probably splitting time a lot more evenly between video and travel, I'll lump that together, and podcasts.

And podcasts didn't necessarily take priority back in that day when COVID hit, it wiped out our travel schedule for the majority of that year. We moved the podcast from two to three times a week in that time period and started doing all kinds of deep dives and topic stuff and like truly anything that we could think of and that kind of the pod took went on went kind of to a different level during that stamp time period and then when pro golf returned there was kind

of nothing else still to talk about in golf. So the return to golf, sorry, excuse me, like, just became up a pro golf focus podcast in that time period. And everything kind of built from there into live shows expanded out into LPGA and all kinds of more specific deep dive stuff that we've done and more different topic based stuff that we've done in recent years. But gosh, just scrolling through the old episodes, the iteration periods that I don't remember. Like you told me we, this changed in 2021 or 2018 and I don't really remember it. But looking back at it, it's like, Whoa, things have changed a lot in the last 10 years.

Yeah. It's a fun, it's a fun list to go scroll back through. Well, let's just, let's get into it. You know, we've got a lot of clips to get to. We've got a lot of moments to get to the first question. Can we, sorry, just real quick. If we're celebrating a thousand here, I want to take people back to the very first podcast. And you can listen to that, but what I want to take people back to is

we truly had no idea. You know, we have an audio file, right? We've recorded locally onto this reporters microphone thing scoops, scoops Solomon brought it to spicebush. And then part of the excitement was like, maybe now what what do we do? And I can just remember like having to learn about where's our RSS fee going to be hosted. I believe we use the internet archive in the very beginning. Just like learning and the excitement and the sense of accomplishment that came with

getting that first episode onto not only the internet but into the podcast feed. That was amazing. I can't believe they just let anybody do a podcast. And so I wanted to just take a quick second and shout that out. Those are some of my most visceral memories of just like, okay, we need to host the feed somewhere. Okay. And then wait, what? Then we got to do what does RSS stand for? Yeah. Don't understand. Yeah. Do the computer. Randy was hand in hand with like the pro shop too, like

setting up a Shopify store and I was like, Oh man, I built a website. How cool is that? Somebody could pay for that and I could send it to them. TC reminds me of a lunch we had quite a few years ago. I don't need to necessarily air out who the person was, but a golf person was like, Hey, uh, you know, I'm trying to start a podcast. I want to get into this. Would love to pick your brain. Like, would love to talk to you guys about it.

And TC went and met him for lunch and had this great conversation. And it was, you know, we're like, yeah, open book. What can we do? And here's what I think you should do with from a structure perspective. Here's how you should tackle it. Here's how you should build agendas. Here's how you should find your niche. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

We got to the end of the conversation. He's like, yeah, I know all this is great, but just like like, how do I post it? Like, that's all I like. I just need like, yeah, all that stuff's fine. I just don't get like how it like how it works. Like, how do I actually like post it? I was like, all right. Well, yeah, I honestly I don't even really think I can explain that to you. I think you just Google it.

I don't know. But yeah. All right. Let's get into it. First question that we wanted to ask everybody. And just with the way it shakes out, I'll go first here. But the question was, sorry to interrupt this again with another round table question, but I would be curious to get an answer before we get into the clips and all that. I'd be curious. Each person's answer of when did you guys think or know that we had something here? Like what was a moment where it was like, Oh shit, like there's, there might be, this might be more than just figuring out how to post something to a feed. Randy, anything come to mind?

Certainly. Before I moved to Florida, I'm thinking more like 2016. I honestly, partly due to some of the guests we were getting credit to, I'm sure we'll touch on that. But Jordan and JT and just having some like legitimate guests, no offense name, early guests, but I guess higher profile would be a better way to say it. And then I think honestly, the first discussions around Hey, this, you know, company, I'm not sure are we allowed to say Callaway? I mean, people know we were sponsored by Callaway. When when that discussion started, started to happen, it was like, okay,

well, I Yeah, I think we do have something maybe I wasn't quite sure what we had, but it did seem like we had something. I still sometimes wonder what we have here. Well, that's yes, of course that goes without saying. TC, what sticks out as a moment in time for you? I think when you and me went to England, we're like, wait, somebody's gonna pay for us to go to England and go play golf and then talk about it. Like that's crazy. I think that was episode 73 and 74 on the back end of that. And you know, we went over to Birkdale and Lidham and Westlanks and Hoylake. But yeah, I would say probably, probably right around that time, kind of, what was that?

Like 28, like late 2017? March 2017 is when that was end of March. And then, you know, from there I was like, all right, we've got something. It's a fun hobby to have for the next decade, but you know, I'm still gonna have my regular job kind of thing. And then, yeah, I think probably, you know, coalesce is probably with what, what Randy said, you know, kind of that more into like mid 2018, end of 2018, you know, starts to feel

a little bit more real. Neil, anything else? I mean, I've said this before the cease and desist from Nike with Rory's likeness. I was like, oh, okay. I think that was it for me. Um, which we listened, we were happy to, to the podcast front though, specifically on the podcast. Well, I think that went hand in hand with like Rory coming on the podcast for, you know, like I think you met with him at, I think that was 2018 or 2017. You know, I think that's the maybe 2016 Ryder Cup two.

I remember you coming over from Europe to go to that. And it felt like, okay, that's a that's a moment as well. But 16, 17, 18, there are a few moments there. I was like, oh, okay, this is this is interesting. Club pro guy was, you know, Halloween 2017. That was probably a pretty, pretty big one from like, I remember listening to that on the on the M train going over the Williamsburg bridge and laughing very, very hard. I just moved back to New York when the club pro guy episode hit very, very funny list of, of, of kind uh, kind of that, like that timeframe, it went from, let's see, Eddie

Pepperl, big Randy and poor F doing Piners Sandhills trip, Zach Blair, mailbag with DJ, Justin Thomas, Ben Higgins, the bachelor has that on my list as well. Rory McElroy part one, Rory McElroy part two. I think that's the recap with Porter. I was talking about the two part Rory. Peter Uline, Graham McDowell, Jay Monahan, TC talking Asian, swinging in mailbag, and then club pro guy. Just an absolute murderer.

Just a heater. A heater. That was a heater. I'll say just as a listener, I mean, I would listen to the podcast on my way to work at the PGA tour. And I feel like I don a listener, I mean, I would listen to the podcast on my way to work at the PGA tour and I feel like I don't know that I ever, I don't know when I pictured like, oh man, this definitely seems like a viable long-term business. But as a thing,

as a media thing, the excitement I had just listening to even those early episodes, whether it's like, saw you and Porter, you and Bacon, the first time JT came on, the first time Max came on. Like, I remember all of those episodes, like in the very, very, very early days being like, fuck yeah, this is, this is it. This is like what I've been, what I've been waiting for. And so I think I was, I was in the boat pretty, pretty early. Which is crazy compared to how stupid it felt to post all of those things. It was like, I don't know, we're just like talking golf, like saying really dumb stuff.

So I was recording them all at like four 30 in the morning. I was recording from my phone into an iPad. Yeah. Yeah. You can tell from listening back to some of those, but sorry to interrupt that. No, not at all. You will listen. You guys kind of tipped my answer to this first question. So it's a good transition. Anyways, the first question was, what is the hardest you laughed at or on a podcast over the last 999 episodes? I am listed first to give answer here. And it's, it's the club pro guy one. I mean, it's all I remember. I had to go back and look at my email to confirm this, but I found an email from you. I forget the exact date. You kind of emailing the whole group and just being like,

hey guys, listen to this file. Club Pro guy, you know, we still can't of course, tip his real name. Sounds like he's making a comeback. We can talk about that separately. But hey, he's like very nervous about whether this is actually funny or not. He just wants everybody to listen to it.

Can you just give a thumbs up, thumbs down? I think it's pretty good, but let me know what you think. And within like the first five minutes, I mean, I was just like dying. The specificity of, you know, we say this a lot with like, you know, there's kind of people who play golf and there are golfers, you know, like the golfers are the people who like golf is at the center of everything that they think about everything that they, you know, the way they problem solve the way they move through the world, all of that and club bro guys like maybe the best example of, of that just taking every one of those little minutiae moments and just combining it with like the most, you know, especially in the early going like

the most brilliant writing ever. There's this specific moment in that podcast when he talks about taking a major medical for club media. Yeah. Losing it. Cody, I'm sure we got, we got some clips. Take a major medical. Well, hold on a couple, two separate, two separate green jackets mentioned. Oh, I know you guys. I'd listen that club pro guy. It cuts across the socioeconomic spectrum, man. I mean, it's just universal

humor if you're a golfer. Yes. Outside of some of our big name guests, that's the episode I think people have mentioned most to me over the years. I mean, we like, you know, can belabor the whole like NLU as a band metaphor at times, but like, this is like the first hit single, you know, it's inescapable. You know, just just play the club, play the club, bro guy one again. So, you know, we're doing all this other stuff, you know, we're moving on now. Just play it. Just play the club, bro guy one, man. That's that's good stuff. It's kind of strap feels

like some of these days. All right, Cody, hit it. What do we got? Your lifestyle, I imagine is pretty wild with with the way you make a living. What's the most hungover at work you've ever been? Oh my God. Oh, what a question. Oh, man. Oh, I think I got to think on that one. Oh, slowly.

You're trying to get me in trouble here. If you had to pin me down, I would probably say it was the morning after the 2015 Ladies Member guest party. It's embarrassing. I woke up in the bedroom completely naked, spooning a life-size cardboard cutout of Aaron Oberholzer from our XC-1 wedge display. I think a couple of the bad boys actually got a couple couple pictures of it that I pray doesn't go viral but I made it

through the morning and I remember I remember that afternoon I I took a dump in the ladies locker room so bad that my GM literally had to call Serv Pro. I think I'll just leave it at that. God, how about that? Full circle? That's full circle. God, there you go. Episode 105, if you're looking to go back and listen. I gotta go back. It's been too many years since I've listened to that whole thing.

I forgot about it. You're such a method actor. It's unbelievable. So, you're trying to get me in trouble. Oh, I have to think about that. I forgot about it. Such a method actor. It's unbelievable. So, you're trying to get me in trouble. Oh, I had to think about that. Just all of it. And the way he talks, it's so freaking perfect. Club Pro guy is a genius in his own right.

I'll take credit for two things in terms of his career. One, first crack of this did not go so great. Had to do some coaching on, you know, storytelling and all this. And two, I used a random mix to like disguise his voice, whatever. And I actually, I think I, if I remember right, I sent him whatever effects I put on his voice. And that's what he applied to all of his voice edits going forward. Like I inadvertently made the mask of his voice that lasted for, for like a decade.

And you nailed it. Cause the, the, yeah, the tone and inflection is all so perfect. Uh, so good with your pro. I completely forgot. I totally forgot about that. I mean, yeah, that'd be years before we had them as a partner. So what do you got? I go back to this one all the time, but I haven't listened to it in forever.

And I'm so excited to hear it. But of course it really come in full circle here in terms of Rory coming back and winning the masters, uh, now a couple of weeks ago, if you're listening to this, but Randy, Randy's on off the cuff comment he makes here after the 2019 open championship was, I think there's a gap in my laughter in this because I was gasping for air so hard. I think it's the easiest answer for the hardest I've ever laughed on the pod. So unfortunately, Rory, he's dead. He's died.

He has not won a major now in five years. He came home to live out his last days. He spent them peacefully among friends. There will be a celebration of life. Is there a visitation? No. Well, it's family only. In lieu of flowers, we ask that you all subscribe to Golf Pass. But he is dead. I'm sorry to say he is dead. I'm sorry to say he has died. There is no coming back.

Oh my God. Will you please explain the beginning of this bit? Yeah. Well, I just said at the beginning of the year, I kind of gave Rory an ultimatum where I was just getting tired of, you know, this is Rory's week, will he win it? And I was like, listen, if you don't want to major this year, he's, he's dead to me. He's, he's gone. And here we are. He's, he's dead. So who's next up? Well, doctors have just informed me. Dustin, Dustin Johnson

has 12 months to live. Oh my God. Eight months. Or yeah, 12 months. If he does not win a major by the end of 2020, it will in fact be fatal. Wow. And we can report, you know, we got the animals out. He survived. Yeah.

God, big. That's an all-timer, man. So the thing I remember, I had not heard that since. I just remember there being some Irish website that I think picked that up. I remember seeing like a headline or a little aggregate article. Yeah. Saying, you know, the effect, no laying up, big Randy declares we're already dead or something. That was good stuff.

Oh, man. Neil, I think we're continuing with kind of a similar theme here with yours. Sorry. I just Googled that. Not only that it got, um, there's an aggregate that picked up that I, that says Rory McIlroy reneges on promise to call out podcaster from the recent version when I said he was going to call you out, probably the same aggregator, uh, called that out. There it is sports Joe.ie. There's no coming back for

boring Mac. He's dead. He's died. He's not the actual quote. God, what a good graphic. That's so good. Donnie Mahoney. Neil, what do you got? It will stick with the same theme. So mine was, I was not on these podcasts or I wasn't on this night, but you guys, the blocky stuff from the Oak Hill PGA. I mean, I had it on and it was the first time I was like, wow, these live shows are working because the gra I remember the graphics that week being so crisp. It was like the Kodak branding. Allegedly killed it. Allegedly, allegedly inspired actually not really going. Yeah. Itired by, by, by. You never know. And just Randy, like the whole world is like, can you believe this blocky guy? And Randy just like,

man, this, no, you know, F it was, it was just the best. And I just remember I wasn't on the pod, but I was, I was laughing really hard sitting on my couch watching it. Which I think brings us to the Michael block portion of the evening, the block party, the block party. It was unfortunate. It was very confusing. I'm sure for the, for the viewers out there, all this block party talk, you know, uh, I thought we had a pretty good brand to go to the block party.

It was totally usurped. Uh, Randy, of course we had, you know, your call yesterday that if block should beat Rory McElroy straight up, Rory would be forced to apologize. Not only did that not happen. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point.

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clear a block, had to be feeling a little nervy at that point. I don't want to soliloquy here. Where do we want to go? There are grown men weeping. There's just some of the most hyperbolic tweets I've ever seen in my life on Twitter. There's Nance calling his up and down on 18 quote, one of the greatest up and downs of all time. You guys tell me where should we start? It was a good up and down. You guys told me where she was a good up and down. It was great up and down. I want to start with just before you dampen this parade, Randy, I want to start with like my mom was literally crying watching golf today. And that does not happen. I'm sure my mom texted me about it.

Yeah. Yeah. Let me just say my mom cries at one shining moment every year, too. After the NCAA basketball tournament, you know, Mike Block was kind of the human one shining moment today. I don't, you know what? I know we're going to bring in solid for the next segment, but let's just bring them in now. So you could, you could be a part of this. Sorry. Hello. How are you? You're on mute, but we're going to take you out while you figure that out. The, uh, so I guess what I'm, where I'm going with that is I think Mike Block is massive, massive net positive.

I mean, what an unbelievable freaking story. TC, you called it tin cup, which I think is super spot on. Nobody gave a shit who won. Everybody was just cheering Block. It was nuts. The fact that he made it ace, it wasn't even just an ace, he blew out the O-ring, didn't even bounce. It goes directly in.

I mean, it was just, it was unbelievable. I cannot tell you guys, I hand up, it was an early morning this morning for me. I took a nap in literally not three minutes after I woke up from my nap. Michael Block just flies it in the hole. I was like, God, I hope I'm still dreaming. This is a nightmare. You were incredulous. I honestly, that's, that's great stuff. It was the night before, I think it was Saturday night when Randy got all,

all worked up about blocky. Just fantastic content. Like when he said it was, that was the chase Sapphire, like breathlessly, the chase Sapphire's moment of the day. That was, that was, that was where you got all worked up, Randy. Cause like everybody was on team block. You're like, no, I'm not doing this. I refused to engage. Anyway, I had another one, but Randy, I'll kick it to you. Cause it might be similar to yours.

Yeah. I, I candidly, I thought club pro guy would get, you would get plenty of nominations. So I was thinking back, I just land on Steve Elkington, really that whole episode. Elk is just, he's one of the best storytellers I've ever listened to. And the particular moment out of that episode that I picked was when he's talking about his match play semi-final against Monty and specifically

in between, it was a 36 hole match and in between they come into the clubhouse and Monty eats an amount of custard unknown to man before this. Cody, roll the clip. So we're going to play the semi-final match and it's a 36 hole match and the press is it's, it's a rematch of Elkington verse Monte of the PGA, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Bullshit. All this bullshit. So it's 36 holes. So one day, so we go out and I told my wife, I said, look, this fat son of a

bitch is going to be out for me today. I'm going to have to play my ass off to beat him. And I think I shot about seven under in the morning to be one up on this guy. I mean, this guy can play, he hits it so straight. I mean, it's hard to beat. So we go into this big clubhouse where the players only and they've got this huge buffet

down the middle of the club. And Boncy's over there at this huge table looking out over the gardens and like an observatory and he's got about four or five royal palace people there and the captain from Muirfield was there. Is it drafty in here to you? Anyway, so out in the middle, out in the middle of the of the buffet is this custard castle. The clubhouse at Wentworth is a castle. It's a fucking castle. It's got all those little squares at the top, you know, and it's custard.

It's fucking magnificent. It know, and it's custom. It's fucking magnificent. It's unreal. So anyway, I'm sitting over there having like a cheese sandwich because I can't eat when I'm playing. I can't eat much. Can you? Don't answer that. You've never played a 36-hole match with the World Cup. There are people here. So anyway, so we're gonna go back out in like 30 minutes. So Monte gets up, he goes over to the table. He's already had lunch, by the way, grabs a dinner plate goes over to this custard castle with this big fork. And he fucking takes out

the whole ladies locker room. He takes out the pro shop, the fucking upper deck on the back observatory and puts it all under his plate. I couldn't fucking believe that he's just done that. I said, he's gonna feed the whole table. He's gonna take 12 spoons over there and put this out in the middle. They just destroyed it. Nope, nope, he sat at the end of the table

and he fucking ate it all. I turned to my wife and I said, honey, there's not a man alive that can eat that much custard that can beat me. How the afternoon go? Oh, I rolled him like five and four. He couldn't go in the afternoon. God, I've heard that story eight thousand times. Probably the best makes me laugh every single day.

And the best part about that, we did that one live in the Kill House and his son was there. I think Elk had like six beers. He said, give me another one. You know, just God, he was, he was just on it. He wasn't on the bourbon biggest miss. Yeah. We didn't understand video podcasting at the time. Definitely.

Nobody did. But like that one, that video of that one would have added an entire new layer to it. He's absolutely supreme storyteller. Supreme TCG have one on your list. Monty was up there. They are the Elkington Monty stuff was up there for me. It's it's I think just like this happens maybe once every six months.

Like like I was thinking more along the lines of laughing during an episode. And Randy will say something that I'll just, I'll absolutely lose it for like a good three or four minutes. Like Dej, there was one recently, like maybe, you know, maybe two or three months ago. And I just, I just lost my shit for like five minutes. I just couldn't even contain myself. That's always, it's always fun when you get you get TC off the rails and then it just, you just can't get back on. That's good stuff. Honestly, I don't know about you guys, but it's part of the fun of podcasting is like,

who can you totally tickle enough to like where they break and just start cracking up? Exactly. Well, the next category I threw in here, I didn't know what we would get for answers. It was just most stressful moment in pod history. I'm sure there's some clips, probably some just stories in here, but I'll lead it off. And this one is unrivaled, unparalleled, not even a question for me. And it goes back to, I want to shout out our guy, our guy Kevin Hopkins, who's actually now our agent extraordinaire. Saul and I were at Shadow Creek before the first match. And we're there and you know, he's Kevin's kind of working the event behind the scenes and getting everything set up.

And he's like, if you guys come out here, I think I can get you 10 minutes with Tiger 10 minutes with Phil for the pod. We're like, God, that's, that's, it seems worthwhile. Like we got to, we got to do it. And they were supposed to be at different times. Circumstances changed or whatever. And, you know, we were sitting around waiting all day to talk to these guys. And Kevin comes up, he's like, all right, here's the situation. You can get Tiger and Phil, but you're going to have to do them both at the exact same time. Otherwise, Phil's going to leave because he's not going to wait like until you finish with Tiger and then, and then do his. So I don't know if you like, so you want to interview Tiger DJ you interview Phil and I'm like, okay, shit man.

Like I haven't really been. Well, we didn't have the microphone set up to do both at the same time either. Exactly. And so he's like, Oh yeah, like, you know, just go talk to him on your just record on your phone. I was like, all right, well, where should I record this? Like there's no quiet space. I was like maybe we go in the bathroom He's like yeah, I go in the bathroom. That's a great idea For sure and so then I'm like alright well shit man I gotta think about like what I'm gonna ask this guy and I gotta I gotta break the ice here

And I was like oh, you know we've always made these jokes about the leather jacket that Phil wears and yada Yeah, shortly after the ferrity. Yeah, you know Yeah, and and Kevin's like oh my god, you have to start with that. That's such a good idea. Phil's going to totally take the bait, and he'll totally like, he'll just banter with you. That's a great idea. Great idea.

I was like, all right, you sure? He's like, definitely, definitely go for that. And so here's the audio of our interview with me and Phil in the bathroom. We always start with kind of the most pressing question, which for you I gotta believe is the leather jacket on Ferdy. Was that a conscious choice?

Was that a performance art piece of some sort? What was the thought process there? Was that the most pressing question? That was, yeah. So I have multiple leather jackets that I wear out mostly with jeans and a t-shirt. That's kind of my outfit that I feel most comfortable in. So I have probably five to eight that I rotate and wear. I love it. I love it. I love it. I was stressed out listening to this and talking to you about it.

I listed this among my two submissions. He's got his knees and his ankles up on that garbage can. He's just like stretching his... Yeah, he stretched. ...hexers or something. Just a surreal, surreal scene. So shout out to Hopkins on that one. Thanks, Hop.

Yeah. So what do you got? My mind immediately went to a recording we did in 2018 at the kill house during the web.com tour championship are now good friend. Max Homa came over. We got this brand new fancy mixing board to record in person. It was going to, you know, record our audio better, all external hard drive, all this stuff. And we've recorded this podcast episode and it's like, it's fire. It is just awesome stuff. Incredible perspective for max. Like as soon as we record, don't record. I'm like, that's one of the best episodes we've ever done. Like, holy crap. And we, I don't remember

what the sequence was. We like either turned the board off or didn't finish, didn't hit stop recording before turning the board off. And as soon as we like, like three minutes after we're done recording, we realized it did not save. Like the whole thing did not save. And only time that's ever happened, I think, right? I believe I happened to me once with bacon. I remember where I totally lost the file and it didn't end up getting published, but yeah, it was, it was just heartbreaking. So we're like, what do we do? And we were like, all right, max, can you come back tomorrow and do we do? And we were like, all right, max, can you come back tomorrow and do it again? Like he missed the cut. I think he

came back on a Sunday or either Saturday or Sunday. I forget when it was. And we came back and just like, re did the interview, but kind of with a second take, like we knew where some, where some of it was going to go is it actually ended up turning out better. And you know, we, we kind of waited a long time before revealing that we, we kind of, we didn't fake it, but it was like, yeah, we kind of rehearsed this one, but it ended up still being like one of my favorite episodes of all time. But the stress feeling of like, whole what the fuck we just lost all this audio from this incredible interview and we got to ask them to come back for it, uh, was super tough, but ended up working out.

I will say to Max's credit, I remember him beating the drum for just like, dude, I just kind of spilled my guts all over the table. Like we're doing that again. Like he was over. Yeah, he was into it. It was less of us like, please, please, can you do it? And more of him just like, yeah, let me know when you want to rerecord it

because we're doing it again. That was awesome. And we saved it the second time. We did. Neil, what was on your list? Well, other than the Phil one, last year's PGA the commercial transitions and everything. So we cleared through that and I don't know, Scotty gets arrested. Some guy got hit by a bus, you know, just kind of got like super like heavy. And that, and I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like,

I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm like, I'm guy got hit by a bus, you know, just kind of got like super like heavy and that and I was like, Oh, okay, I'm hosting this one. Okay. And so it's just like, just personally, I was, I was stressed out. It was like the middle of like the busiest week. I think you could argue the busiest week of our podcasting lives, I think with just how

much live content we're doing six hours of live content pretty much every day that week last year. So that was a stressful one for me. For me, there's been two instances where when we've been doing, I used to do the Instagram promo and all our stories and stuff. I don't think we have. I'm sure there's audio out there. I can't remember which which show it was or whatever. You can see Cody down here just stressed. I've accidentally sent out the link to our studio. That was all. Yes.

Random people just popping up on the feed. We couldn't figure out how it happened. And I think I spotted those like, you know, there's the there's, the acts, the code, the link was right there. You know, I would take a picture of the backstage and then, you know, I didn't blur out the, the URL and you know, Cody said, what the hell is going on? He's just fighting off bots. It's kind of hard. Not bots. They were inside the castle.

They were like, they were adding themselves to the live stream too. It was credible. I feel like we should do that on purpose. I think, they were inside the castle. They were like, they were adding themselves to the live stream too. It was incredible. I feel like we should do that on purpose more often maybe just keep us on our toes. Kind of harkens back to Neil doing the Instagram story in Ireland. He kept accidentally posting everything like super small where nobody could actually get. And then Sally, another one just listening along. I remember being stressed out the first time that Nance came on. Oh, yeah. That was tense. Like lecturing you about hard cameras.

That was a tense one. I was I think I was in the background of the studio for that one. Just like, you know, kind of typing notes to solid that one. That one felt like it was a congressional hearing or something. Yeah. Randy, you're never stressed. Are you? No, no. You know, I just a special shout out because it's not our podcast. But God, the stress I felt when Neil popped into that LPGA clubhouse. Oh, hell yeah. The live stream the Google hang. So I'm special.

Okay. Yeah. Come a long way. Hey, shots on goal, Randy. We got to get our goal. I know. I just want to call it out. It was a summer.

I was stressed out too. I had the pits, things rocking because I couldn't get the tech working at the gig. I know office in San Francisco. There's a lot going on there too. Oh, yeah. The most nervous I've ever heard Randy was when he came, you know, rushing into the kill house. He had a trap draw. Neil, this is an NLU.

I got to call this one out. He had a trap draw with his hero, Bumani Jones walks in and he's like, Hey, what's up, man? He's like, I just got, I just got podcast. It's with, it's with Bumani. And then like five minutes later, I just hear like, Hey, but money. How are you? From upstairs just echoing bouncing off the walls of the killer. I still think God I think that podcast was probably horrible. I'm so sorry to Bumani. I was so nervous. My

answer though, where my mind went was actually the Tiger Phil stuff. It was just secondhand stress from you guys, Dej and Sali. And I wanted to pull a clip from Sali's interview with Tiger. Not only do I appreciate the stress that you guys felt like, hey, these interviews are starting quick. They have 15 minutes, like it wasn't set up as you planned like that is stressful. But then once you get into the interview, and you ask a question that was a great question, and you get the answer that tiger gave you, and I'm

sure solid your stress and sigh was like, what the fuck do I do with this? So, Cody, we have that clip, I believe. Very last one. What is a skill of yours that you think is somehow unappreciated or underrated that maybe people don't give you enough credit for? Asking you to brag on yourself, but I was always curious to hear that one. I probably underestimated my level of enjoyment for comics. Yeah? Comics. Yeah, I grew up trying to save my savings from gambling at the golf course or my paper

routes or all those different things to buy comics. Back when you had hardback comics. And so that was a time in which I've always fell in love with Marvel and DC universes. And everyone around me knows how much I love it. And my mom loves it. She actually keeps me more up to date than I am. And so that's been fun over the years.

Cool. Appreciate the time. You got it. Absolutely. Thanks for having me. First, I should thank you. Yeah, no, I think that's been fun over the years. And cool. Appreciate it. Yeah, absolutely. Thanks for having me. Okay. Yeah, no, I think that's, I think that's it.

Wrap it up. Wrap it up. No, I was, I was like, all right. We're done. We're done. Sali, even before that, we were in New York for Neil's boxing thing. And it had been like a, like a, you know, secret

amongst the group of like, hey, we've got this lined up I think for the following week. I think one of us told our dad, we were with our dad on the train up from Newark and we had mentioned it to him. We're like, hey, don't say anything. We're there with some other industry people at the bar before the thing. My dad just out of nowhere, just drops it on nowhere. Hey, heard you guys got tiger next week.

I got, sorry, one more trap draw one, but this is a deep cut. Randy and I interviewed Steven Dubner, the host of the Freakonomics podcast. And it was like the probably three weeks, like the just pinnacle of COVID lockdown. People are just freaking out. And I was like, and you know, he's in New York city and I was like, Hey, Steven, how are you? You know, like just a pretty benign intro, like how are you doing? And he hit me with like a five minutes soliloquy about like the world ending. And I want to give Randy a shout out cause I froze. I was like, I don't, and Randy just jumped in and was like, Hey, Steven,

not really a good transition off of that, but I'm like, I don't, and Randy just jumped in and was like, Hey, Steven, not really a good transition off of that, but I'm like, excited to talk to you today. Like I was like, I remember like Pat and Randy, like, thank you brother. Like, I mean, just like heavy, heavy, heavy stuff that I was like, hi, why'd I ask that question? You know, like I just got me off on the wrong foot. I just got me off on the wrong foot. Oh, yeah. I remember that one.

When we did, I mean, even trap draws of like, we did like John Vandeveld. Like, like every trap draw until like two years ago, T.C. was like the most stressful experience of my life. I feel like between the audio between is the guest going to show up in between? Yeah, everything. It's so weird to just like getting into our next segment here on just like thinking about how much has changed. Like I'm looking at the top nominee for favorite guests

which we're going to get to quickly of like how, like what this guy was up to in 2016, 2017, probably living, you know, in the upper upper one seventies, low one eighties now in the easily in the one nineties. That's where I'm at. Cory, he gained speed. And another way you can gain speed is by going to the stack system dot com slash NLU and using code.

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Yeah, next category. You mentioned it. Favorite guest. Let's just let's just hit it right on. I'm up first here again, I will. So I'll go back to our two parter that we did just outside Chicago with our guy Rory McElroy, maybe a little bit of recency bias here, but a day that I think about often Rory came and met us at the hotel room, brought us each a coffee, which was which was very class move by him. And truly just we sat down, we're like,

yo, super conscious of your time. When can we get you out of here? What do you got going on? And it just said, I'll just, I got nothing to do. Let's just roll. You guys, let's go as long as you want. I got all kinds of stuff to talk about. And-

Bringing you guys a coffee sounds like a man that's living out his last days to the fullest. Exactly. Right. For, for death gratitude, gratitude, Neil. So I think there's a couple smattering of, of clips here, but again, I persevered. I played through it during the players. I made the cut. I finished 35th. And then again, I went back and got another scan and I hadn't refractured it, but there was a big stress response right in the same area. It was more the joint this time rather than the rib. And then I had to

shut it down again. So it's, it's one of these things where it's probably even though I'm going to take this six or eight weeks off and I'm going to get healthy and I'm going to get back to a hundred percent fitness, it's something I'm going to have to monitor over the next sort of 12 to 18 months and really take care of it. So I've had to alter everything, I guess. Yeah. The McJoint doesn't sound as good as the McRib. Let's go with the McRib.

Yeah. Did you come up with the joint thing just to avoid the nickname McRib? I like McRib. I said the drawn. I like it. I think it's sort of sticking. Community is talking about the ball going too far.

In reality, are you guys like, we don't care about this, or you guys are way off on this? For instance, I was talking to a player, I won't say his name because there's a reason why he was saying this case, but he's saying, well, the ball is never going to get restricted because of this, this, this, and this. And it made a ton of sense. So kind of the way.

But that's just kind of an example. So I don't know if broadly. I don't think the ball will ever get restricted. This is a completely off. But a regulation or a tournament golf ball for a major, that would be something I would be open to, because it would be pretty cool. It does.

It happens in tennis. They go from playing a Wilson ball at the US open to a Schlazinger at Wimbledon to a Babelat ball at the French. So people have to adjust to these certain balls and they do stuff differently, they spin differently, they react differently off the court. So that would be cool but I mean does the ball go too far? I think in terms of sustainability of golf courses and obviously you you know, Ship Nuck's

got this thing about 9,000 yard golf courses and stuff. Well, there is going to be a point where that might need to happen, but that's not sustainable. Like trying to build a 10,000 yard golf course is just so much land and the water that has to be used to maintain that golf course. And it's just, it's nuts, you know, that can't happen. So we do need to find a way to bring some of the old classic golf courses back into playable tournament condition. I don't know what, who knows, you know, Mike Davis said maybe an 80% golf ball, something like that, to bring these golf courses that are 6,800 yards.

But then the long hitters will still have the advantage because it's an 80% ball. So everyone's going to just hit it 80% of what they usually do. So it's not going to bring everyone closer together. It's still going to have the long hitters. The long hitters are always going to have an advantage. That's just the way the game is. So let's say you're 17 years old again,

and someone says, by age 28, you have X amount of majors. What answer do you think satisfies 17-year-old Rory? Two, maybe? I don't know. One, two? I never thought past the first one at that point. I always wanted to be able to call myself a major champion. Good stuff from Rory.

I don't know, I think about those two episodes quite a bit. That was very, very cool of him to come on. I know that was probably the, what, third or fourth time he'd come on at that point, but we said it after the Masters pods, but a guy that we probably owe quite a debt of gratitude for legitimizing the pod or lending some credibility to it or whatever you want to say through all the time

he spent coming on and talking about the issues of the game. Yeah, that was the third time. That was episodes 98 and 99 that you're hearing there. I think he was on episode like 56 and then like 63 or something really quick back to back there in 2016 into 2017. And that was, yeah, that was a big, big freaking long launching point for us. So it's all who's, uh, who's on your list. Favorite favorite guys. I had a hard time doing this. It's kind of like favorite golf course of like, there's probably this many that I would put in there that are none are better than the other. And it's really hard to pick a favorite in there. But one I thought might get a little underrepresented

was bones. Again, this was kind of back in the day he was, he was like December, 2016 was the very first time he came on. I think the clip we have here for bones is it wasn't a specific Augusta related preview. we did, I believe in 2018. I've told this story, I've rehashed this story so many times. I've just like all these the minutiae detail that he knows about that place I just geek out about and I just he's such an awesome guest so many times and I just love this story. What's your guys approach to the tee shot on 16 in that situation?

Well, Phil, it was a secret there for a bit and then Phil ended up kind of talking about it in an interview after the fact. So he's a real student of the game and I'd like to think to a large degree I am too. And I had noticed if you go back over the years of these great little Masters movies that come out that we have all watched on the golf channel and elsewhere that showed the recaps of the tournaments that there were guys on a number of occasions That hit shots on 16 that they just absolutely pose over then and the ball comes down, you know 25 30 feet long and

and and they just seemed shocked and and You know and when that happens to a tour player, you know, usually when they've hit something to five feet They kind of know it when the balls in the air. They have a feel for the yards They hit the shot. They know how they hit it and when something comes down there, they're genuinely shocked Well, you got to kind of take note of that and I think it had happened to Davis one year I think it had happened to Duvall one year and it happened to Davis one year, I think it had happened to Duval one year. And it might even have happened to Ernie that very day. I don't know. And so Phil and I had talked about it and about how, you know, we were kind of developing this theory there on 16

that no matter what the situation when you get, you know, in the hunt or when you get that Masters adrenaline going, if you get between clubs, you go with the lesser club and even if you're not between clubs, it just plays a half club short and it's a very unique piece of land, Chris, and I know you've been there and when you're out there at the Masters, whether you're in 40th place on Thursday or whether or not you're leading on Sunday, there are thousands of people around that hole and it's in something of a valley. There's several thousand people left and behind the green,

and there's people right. And it's, I don't know what it is, but it's a very, very low point in the course. And we started wondering if maybe, you know, what was going on here with the topography and the number of people, maybe it was affecting the air in a sense that the ball was gonna go further.

And I'm not trying to sound like some kind of scientist here. We're just trying to figure out why are guys hitting these shots that they pose over that are going long. And so Phil doesn't birdie 15. He now is one back and he needs to make one more to tie Ernie who's ahead of us. And we walked over to the 16th tee and Phil says, let's plug it in. Let's go with the theory. And I can't off the top of my head remember the yards, but it was probably something like 186, which is an absolute normal good in those days,

seven iron. And he had eight. And so we said, you know what, let's just hit the hard eight and take our chances here. And he ripped an eight. And we said, you know what, let's just hit the hard eight and take our chances here. And he ripped an eight. And we really didn't know at that point where it was coming down, but it came down 18 feet right under the hole, which is a great spot because you would literally, and I'm not exaggerating here, you would rather have 18 feet short of the hole on 16 that Sunday pin than have five feet behind it. God's not a Pell seven goes with those are the new key way.

Just love that the people down to the oxygen level. I think he said it's a point in there. Like it's just that level of geekatures is my favorite. It would be carbon dioxide, right? Could be with everybody joking down there. I'm a scientist though. He said, and then I had to get a nominee in for Trevino. We hunted this one for a long time, getting to do that one in person, having video this one.

Cody was there with me for this one. This is episode 768. There's like eight incredible stories he tells in this one, but this one's an all-timer. All of a sudden a guy comes through the front door with a case of Gatorade. And nobody knew what the hell this was. Gatorade, what is it?

He said, well, it's a thing that they did in Florida or Florida State College. And they did it for the players to get hydrated and all this baloney. And I said, OK, I tasted it. I said, hell, this is pretty good stuff. So now we're drinking tequila. And they said, well, how is it if you mix it with tequila? And the guy says, so we started mixing it with te mix it with tequila and the gas is pretty good. So they started mixing it with tequila. It was pretty good.

It was pretty good. So he's got a drink. So I said, man, I said, I gotta go to bed. So it was about midnight. I'm not gonna play till one thirty, two o'clock. So all of a sudden I wake up about three, four o'clock in the morning and I'm thirsty boy. I am thirsty as I can be.

And I see this kind of this pan, you know, that you would boil eggs in or something and it's in the refrigerator and it's got Gatorade in it. And I said, oh, shit, I'll drink that. And I chug a lug of that stuff and it was full of tequila. Well, I'm right back where I started. I'm right back where I started. And it was one hundred and eight degrees the next day. I don't know how I ever finished.

I was the worst. I did silly stuff. Silly stuff. What did you shoot that final round? It wasn't good. Let me see if it's 75 maybe. Silly stuff. Silly stuff. What did you shoot that fight around? It wasn't good. Let me see if it's 75 maybe. Silly stuff. Silly stuff. Silly stuff, Neil.

What do you got? Not quite as silly. The one, the two that say, just Spieth, honestly. I just, I feel like there's a lot of expectation based on Spieth, how he broke on, you know, broke onto the scene and how engaging he was in press conferences, especially in his you know, first two years on tour. And his both of his podcast appearances, he's just so thoughtfully like lives up to

the expectation. Like I think of two things. One is when he was talking through for like 10 minutes, I think about this often his swing feels. It's like, I got three different feels and to hear him talk through it is just like, oh my God. And then I think it was the second time he interviewed him, Sali, when he was talking about like being wealthy

as a young person, like how do you stay hungry? That one, like just really thoughtful. I just think that Jordan is truly what you see is what you get. And every time I've interacted with them, I've come away being like, that's an easy guy to root for. Do you ever even ask yourself what motivates you? Right? I mean, when you get to the point where you're at, where Rory's at, where Justin's at, where, you know, you're young and you have this much money and, you money and you've had a lot of success. I sometimes wonder when I'm watching,

when things aren't going great, why you stress yourself out. I know it's competitive is probably the answer, but you see what I'm getting at here as to why let yourself be so stressed when you have things so great. And I'm just wondering what that balance is kind of like for you, if that makes any sense. Yeah, you know, it's such a crutch to lean on in such a unhealthy way if you're struggling and you're like, oh, it's fine.

I'm not gonna have to worry about money. So it's no big deal. It's such a crutch and it's such an inhibitor to actually getting out of a funk. And I ran into that. I mean, you know, as I think a lot of people do that are in, you know, somewhat similar positions, you run into it a little and then you realize it's just it's such an ego oriented mindset that's so unhealthy for trying to, to find mastery in your sport. And I and I'm using to find mastery in your sport. And I'm using very common golf psychology terms.

It's really, it's not difficult for me to play each round as if that's my first tournament ever. I don't find it difficult because the game is, and as you know, it can't be perfected. And it's just so much fun when you start to get on the right side of momentum in the sport, and you start to contend and compete with the best in the world and we get to play the best golf courses in the world. Not only do we not have to pay, we get paid to play the best golf courses

in the world with the best players in the world. And then you start to get some momentum and you're like, wow, I can beat these guys too. I mean, it's just, it's like, it's like a drug. It's so addictive. Yeah. I just, I don't know. Just all the speed stuff for me. Brandy, I think we said it at Pebble this year.

We hadn't, you know, I hadn't seen him in a while. He's been hurt and you just walk away from that little like 30 minutes we spent with you. God, man, I'm glad Spice back. What a genuine dude. It's like a drug and he's like an impressive guy. Yeah. Can't quit you.

Uh, TC, you got, you got, I think your selection is one of, one of my favorites as well, somewhat, somewhat recent one, but just an all-timer. Yeah. Dodo Molinari. I think just seeing him like, you know, kind of, it I think just seeing him, I think there is some rocket science in there, but him just not maliciously, but just factually detonating the US team and just letting us in on how the European team operates, I think was freaking awesome. So he's been one of my favorite guests.

Any big surprises that the Americans sent out where you just like, man, I did not see that coming or I did not see that team or I did not see that pairing going out first? I know. I was with all the respect because I'm a big Jordan Smith fan, but I thought the way he played in four balls on Friday afternoon I was a little surprised to see him going out in foursomes on Saturday morning But then again, I only you know, I only saw him playing 18 holes that afternoon So maybe he was playing great and then he just didn't play well that afternoon

Obviously he didn't play very well on Saturday morning either but you know, I think it's too easy to judge someone from the other side of the fence. You never know the full side of the story. Any pairings that you were shocked that you didn't see from them? Where you're like, hey man, I thought these two guys, yeah, from the like, I thought these two guys, yeah. Yeah. From the U S like, man, I thought these two guys would have, would have played beautifully together. Well, obviously JT always played with Jordan.

I thought JT was going to get at least a game with Ricky because obviously I know they're good friends and it seems like they, you know, that they, they do their parents a little bit more based on like friendships and then people they get along with. But you know, that they, they do their parents a little bit more based on like friendships and then people they get along with. But, you know, I think, I think Ricky wasn't, you know, from, from everything I've heard, I've spoken with the region, it seemed okay, but from what I've heard, he wasn't feeling great. So maybe, you know, they wouldn't like to play a bit more and they couldn't, I don't know. Just, just a humble guy, you know, and like, not really, like, I don't know. It was, it was, the whole podcast was super interesting. Came talking about Ludwig and bringing him into

European tour events and all that stuff. So all the Switzerland stuff with Ludwig and IDing, you know, and challenging him. I mean, it's just, it's, it's that episode rules. That's going to be kind of one of those like, you know, if somebody goes and makes a big picture documentary about the writer cup over the last 20 years, like go listen to that episode. He kind of back on after the the best page one too, so we can do kind of the same thing. The euro team continuing to just open the robe and just say like, Oh man, here it is. Here's what here's here's what we're doing. Like just straight up. Here's fine. We got you're not capable of doing it. Like we'll tell you what we're doing.

Maybe he's in the Slack talking about how the U S might pick Patrick Reed this morning. I mean, it's just no matter what they keep explaining it. And like the, the U S just doesn't seem to want to listen. But anyways, they just made more putz man. What do you expect? Randy, bring us home on this one. Yeah, my favorite guest is a lifetime achievement award. It is Max Homa. Solly, you referenced already the interview we did with him in person at the Kill House when he regained his tour card. But all the subsequent appearances, I mean, I feel like he's been somebody that we've experienced his career with. And he's been gracious enough to share not only the lows, but the highs, you know, when

he won his first tour victory and called in afterwards. The clip we have is from episode 750, talking about his first Rider Cup experience. So let's play that, Cody. But I want to say it's just Max Homa across the spectrum is my favorite guest. In college, I missed the putt. I three putt my last hole of my collegiate career to lose to Thomas Peters to lose in match play of the team event. And I was so like despondent for like 40 hours. And I remember flying to the U S open qualifier and I remember being on the plane saying, I don't know if it will be tomorrow, a week from now, a month from now, or 10 years from now. I want that putt again,

like please let me have that putt again. I do not want to end my golfing career without getting an opportunity to show that I can do that. Like I know I can do that. And just so happened that the next day I had seven feet to get into a playoff or to keep a playoff going to get to the US Open and I made it and I remember being over that putt saying, Bubba, you asked for this, like, you could be nervous, but you asked for this exactly. So you better at least relish the opportunity. And I remember Matt missed and I had seven feet and I remember saying,

you asked, you wanted this. So like flip the nerves, you're nervous, but you're not scared. Like you asked for this exact moment and you're getting it in the biggest way, but it was just crazy. I was basically telling everybody you dream your whole life as every single golfer ever has of making a putt to win the Ryder Cup or making a putt to win the Masters or the US Open or whatever. I have never jumped up making a putt to not lose the Ryder Cup. That was a very different feeling. And I had such a good week personally on the golf course that I knew I would be labeled the choker and it just didn't feel like a fair thing. But I remember I really turned my brain on you. You wanted this. This is a very cool opportunity, but I lost full control of my body.

I can't believe watching it that you can't see my legs shaking. I couldn't feel anything like my legs were like full blown vibrating. Like my, I had 50 phones tied to my legs and everyone was calling me. It was a wild and I, I, I watched it. Like I said last night, I just don't know how I made it. And that motherfucker was right in the goddamn middle. It was the best, but ever. Max has such a good job of, uh,

it's like he knows in the moment when he calls back to these moments where like with his career of like, that was a turning point, you know, and it's almost like he's present to it in real time, uh, in a way that a lot of people are unable to identify like, Hey, we're in the good, the good old times. Like, you know, remember this one. It's almost like he makes a little like mental note of that stuff. It's really cool. He's kind of from the Neil Schuster school of analogies as well. Sure. You know, he's always, he's always got the good analogies cooking, which is fun. He's just super insightful.

And I'm just very thankful. And hopefully our audience feels the same way that he's, I just feel like he's been so open and vulnerable even with us through the years on different episodes. So he's my favorite guest. All right, moving on. Could take this one in any direction that you want, just calling out, he's, he's my favorite guest. All right. Moving on. Could take this one in any direction that you want. Just calling out who's your most underrated guest or who's on your list of most underrated guests.

So we'll throw out a couple of clips here, but feel free to name a couple too. If you missed, Sally, I think you and I had the same one. So I'll let you take that one and I'll take it in a very strange direction to start a podcast people probably don't think about very much. But I saw as I was scrolling back through Mike Lorenzo Vera, you know, famous, predominantly plays on the European tour, TP World Tour. But just a guy I remember riding my bike in Jackson to listening to this episode and just like just fist pumping the whole time. I mean, it's just like this is what podcasts are all about, man. I loved this one. I guess this was maybe later in the challenge tour years, maybe

in around 2013 that you kind of looked up one day and realized that you were you were much more in debt than you realize. Can you I'm wondering if you could tell that story. Yeah, well, I had a little troubles with the tax department in France. Let's say that, and one day I had a meeting there and they're like, do you know how much you owe us? I was like, I have no idea. They're like, you're the guy that owes the most in the southwest of France. I was like, fuck, oof, that's going, because I know some people that had some debts already and I was like, oof, so it means that I have much more than that.

And so they're like, you're about 400,000 euros. And I was like, shit, I can't even buy a beer with my credit card. Where am I going there? Well, what happened there? How did you, did you have someone managing your taxes or how did you end up? I was doing everything myself. You were? Yeah, trying, trying to do it.

Do you have an accountancy license of any kind? So if I had one, I should not take any customer. God, that is episode 349, just him talking about buying cars and just the whole deal, man. It's just so good. I forgot about that. Brandy, we got to tell Mike, there's no debtors prison, man. Keep digging. It's all what he got. Mine came at the very end of 2021 and easy one to it.

It's a time capsule. Easy one to forget about now because historical document. Yeah, this did not play out. Something played out that sounds a lot like this. That's Andy Gardner, who was the founder of the premier golf league and idea for reformulating professional golf with team play and all this stuff. And he led it all out in a very lengthy interview that I still am very proud of. And I go, I haven't gone, I've never

gone back and listened to it. And I might want to have to listen to this clip zooming further out, you know, from the actual logistics of the format and the specifics of it, again, conceptually, what is this golf league? Is it, you know, is it top players? Is it a breakaway league? It is that still something you're trying to figure out and something that is still evolving? Conceptually, why would this league exist and what is it conceptually? So conceptually, it's taken on different forms.

So not all the reports that have been written have been accurate over the last probably two years. We began with the notion of how best to secure the services of the best 48 players in the world. And that's not necessarily just going through the top 48 by world ranking. There's the opportunity for others outside the top 48 to play because we want to watch week in, week out the best head-to-heads

between the biggest stars. So it's not a case of just going down the list. I guess the original notion was hallways to work with the PGA Tour, believe it or not. Some might still call that incredibly naive, but it remains our strong desire. Now, we started off talking to, as I said, sponsors and broadcasters of the PJ Tour. And so we knew that we had a format that appealed to those who funded the sport. We then began to talk to, funny enough, one of the first conversations I ever had was with Rory, if you would believe that.

I was explaining the concept and at the time he was of the view that actually this is probably what golf needs. That was some time ago. He's entitled to change his opinion, but had Rory said to me, Andy, that's rubbish, I'd have probably stopped. So, yeah. The PGL started rolling out all that social stuff afterwards about who owns golf and it just is what a weird couple of weeks that was.

I almost like, even just PGL, was that what it was called? I don't remember that. I'm just meeting with those guys and you know, the following year having dinner with them and texting with them a lot. Like I feel like we worked pretty hard to establish that relationship and get the comfort level to the place where he would come on, on the pod as well. Episode four 98 again, might, might be a, uh, might be a realist. I'm sure there's almost half a lifetime ago.

There's a couple of, uh, of, of head scratchers. And, uh, on that note too, I think there's some, there's some pretty interesting stuff from, I don't know what the episode number is, but like the lead into kind of that spring, like February, 2020, um, post Genesis, like the Genesis recap. And then there's a couple other after that, that, you know, like we're kind of really drawing out a lot of the global golf stuff. And there's some, you know, some bad predictions in there, but there's also some prescient stuff in there that really sets the table for the, for the, you know, following five

years. The most prescient being, you know, I couldn't even get the question out. Like, who do you think is like the first person like to go with? There was a breakaway and DJs just like Phil, Phil a hundred percent. Neil, where do you want to take it? Well, I'm going to flip the vibe. Jason Bone, a hole in one story. And just, I don't know if I expected Jason Bone to be an electric factory, but he was. He's trying to explain to us that if we win a prize of more than $500, that we could lose our eligibility.

And they had prizes for all 12 of us. So he's like, we got to make sure that, you know, this is NCAA rules, you know, screw it up. And I'm over there, I'm reaching down, I'm leaning in the card, I'm like, man, I've turned pro today, coach, I've turned pro! You know, and he's just like, you're such an idiot. I mean, you could tell, it's just so disgusting.

I get there, since I was the third closest shot. They wouldn't let us use our own ball. They gave us a top flight tour at the time. And right now it's maybe one thirty two in the afternoon. I'm just ready to go to bed. And I toss the ball on the ground, I don't even tee it up. And I hit this little heel cut nine iron and it's looking pretty good. I'm like, oh, this is going to get pretty close to hops., wham, hoops hit million bucks, throw my club up in the air. I start racing to the

green and I'm high stepping and I'm just going nuts. And my body halfway to the green says, that's it. And just gives out. I hit the turf. I'm rolling up the hill. I'm trying to get up. I can't get up. I mean, it was off my durst and dust all over me. And, and then it was filmed too. I don't know. Yeah. It was, it's on it's yeah. They had to film it for insurance. Well, I guess probably on YouTube. Yeah. You probably see it on YouTube. But put that up with the podcast. Yeah. I'm sure it is. I've seen it in like a million times. Yeah. But, uh, and so, but the, all right, to kind of continue the story. So anyhow, I'd like, um, at the end, all the other guys had to hit too,

because if everybody makes all in one, everybody gets a million bucks. So I was kind of pulling for other guys, you know, the next guy just Cole shanks it because I had taken like 15 minutes running up there, get my ball, like screaming. I mean, to be, it was my first hole in one ever. And so I'm sitting there. I was, I think as excited about the hole in one part is I didn't, the million bucks didn't really hit me. Like at that moment, it was the hole in one, like, oh shit, I made a hole in one. This is great.

But my coach is standing there after the whole thing's over, we're in the pro shop and there's a sheriff there for the witness and all this stuff. And he's like, you know, if you sign this, you know, he's trying to explain to me, he's like, okay, you will lose your scholarship. You will not ever be able to put, I mean, he's right in the middle of a sentence. And I'm like, where is that? Where's the fucking pen? I got to sign this thing. Yeah, that's fantastic. And then, and then we did the, the sweetens video with them. I remember him brought the Sanderson's farms, yeti cooler. He's like, I got like 15 of these

things. You guys can keep this at the birdhouse. The guy's just total menace. I'm talking about every year, getting the family together and make them watch the whole in one. This is Jason bone day, baby. His story going down to new Orleans from party car in the U-Haul truck. Yeah. That's episode two 33, but one I have intent Tim Heron also on that episode. Yeah. I have one other one that I wanted to call out and I don't know if we have a clip for it or not,

but Morgan Hoffman saw that help set this up. My actually, my ex-girlfriend's brother-in-law, like had a line to him. And I remember being like, I don't know if this is going to be any good. And then I remember I was in the airport and you texted me after you're like, that was awesome. And just him talking about like Eastern medicine

and being a pilot. And I just thought you're like, that was awesome. And just him talking about like Eastern medicine and being a pilot. And I just thought he was like, when you talk about just underrated, like low expectations turned into like, wow, that was a really, really good episode. So Chelsea was over there helping at Camp Hope. It's to help these kids from the earthquake a few years ago, which they still haven't rebuilt their cities

and all the parents are rebuilding the cities while the kids go to school in Kathmandu. She was there and ran into Sangita, who is Sean's mother. He played at Oklahoma State with me, Sean Einhaus. They were having dinner one day and she's like, yeah, I'd love for you to meet this doctor. His name is Dr. Kamal Joshi and he's a healer and he's cured hundreds of people with cancer and he's kind of ticked that off the list as if you have it, it's easy to cure and now he he's onto muscular dystrophy. And he's been treating a patient here

with muscular dystrophy in Parkinson's for the last few weeks. And he's been in a wheelchair for 25 years, never walked. And now he's walking within two weeks. And Chelsea's like, if this situation over there that your big cleanse doesn't work, I think you should come try this. Yeah, that one that one's that one's fantastic.

That is that's Episode 197. Just just a lot of good stuff in there of Morgan Hoffman's kind of just, I don't know, very, very live on just grapes, but just literally eat grapes. Yeah, like 1600 grapes a day or something. Remember him talking about going to the grocery store and just like buying out all the grapes. Yes. Yeah. There's a lot of good stuff in that one. DC, you might need to start referring yourself as a healer. It's like a generic enough term that, you know, if you can get some of these guys careers back to, you know, back to back to homey.

We're working on it. I mean, if you know, if Tommy can exactly can get across the line, that'll be my, you know, my guy. What, uh, John, what do you got? I got a few, I think, you know, like Jim Wagner has been on a couple of times. Uh, he's been on episode two 49 and then again, episode five 60, we actually did a live one with him at Pinehurst. I don't think we needed to play anything, but like some of the, some of the ones that just like stick out to me is like, you know, you ask him, Hey, what's there between a restoration and renovation? He's like, it's all bullshit, man. He just he just puts architecture and design and golf

in such a, you know, in such direct and human way, just human terms of just like, there's no bullshit. It's just it's just, hey, man, we're just moving dirt around here. And, you know know, love him. I'd like anytime Klates has been on the podcast. Yeah. That's the definition of underrated. Yeah. Yeah. I think he's, he's a dude Bill core as well. He was episode two 54 and just his, his humility and, um, just, you know, ability to speak with clarity and a lot of humility with regard to some of the best golf courses in the world. And then we had Cam Smith on episode 286. I'd love to get him back on, just because I think a lot's changed. That was a year or two before he won the open and all of that. I was on his come up there.

And then lastly, I think one of the most underrated guests we've ever had is Jim Hartzell. I think when our friend Jim came on after we did the film on him, when Revelation comes over in Scotland, just some of the stuff that he led us in on and was vulnerable. And he's just such a kindhearted and wise man. And I just have such a deep appreciation for his love of golf. Yeah, here, here, here. That's a fun one, too. It's like, I know a lot of the places he's talking about are very specific and very singular. And, you know, there's not going to be a ton of the audience who has been to them. But man, if you ever make it there, that podcast is always waiting to are very specific and very singular. And there's not gonna be a ton of the audience

who has been to them, but man, if you ever make it there, that podcast is always waiting to go back and listen to, and it's almost like a decoder ring for this whole other world, which any episode like that is always cool. That was episode 741 with Jim, by the way. Randy, where'd you take it? Yeah, quick shout out, no clip, but as I was thinking about just underrated guest

or appearance, Cody, being able to get Lydia Ko last year after she had just won the... That's awesome. Women's Open, and I mean, what a tournament that was. That was really cool. She was calling in, I think on the way to the airport or even in the airport that yeah, that was one of those moments where I was just like, man, that's freaking awesome.

But the other one that I'm like, I think is underrated in a sense of just this guy is going to go down as like inner circle inner circle of best basketball players of all time. He's still one of my favorites to watch. Talking about Steph Curry has come on the No Laying Up Golf Podcast a couple of times. I think we have a clip here. This would be episode 378 that this clip comes from.

I'll put so much stress on like the practice rounds, like trying to shoot a score and then like, yo, you're going to burn yourself out before. Yeah, that's not it. Thursday, Friday. That's not it. I learned that after like the first six holes, I was mad. I made a bogey or something like, hey, you know, relax. So it was such a cool experience.

And I played in five finals, been in play in front of 19,000 fans and crazy, you know, a journalist rushes out in the court. There is absolutely nothing to no way for me to really express how nervous I was on that first team when they called my name. I damn near blacked out. I guess, you know, you I've read an article you said, I think there's work being done all around the country to make golf

more affordable, more fun, more approachable. What else is out there that inspires you in that regard? What do you see being done that you want to help implement in any way in the game of golf? Well, it's getting younger and it's getting to a point where, I've been in plenty of country clubs across the country. Thankfully, I was part of the benefit of being able to travel to amazing places and play golf and to your point around networking and really influential people that are ingrained in the game. I think there's so much interest in how we can change the culture of it. of golf where it's just fun and it's less pretentious and less, you know, this ideal

that's that nobody really has access to on a grand scale and the kind of elitist type of perspective. So for me, that is the mission. It's not going to happen overnight, but I think you can kind of feel a change. Even some of the guys that show up on tour that come from different backgrounds and creating more of a pipeline of, to your point, like, you know, you got five, six, seven-year-old kids that you don't have to go, you know, have a dad that's a membership at a certain club just to get a club in your hand and go play. Creating safe places for those kids to get access and then follow through where we know how much golf teaches about ourselves and character and developing your personality and your ability to hang out with different types of people from different walks of life.

I could talk about it for days. It's just awesome to know that there's an opportunity and a change in the tide that respects tradition, but also makes it more accessible and young and fun. I mean, continue to go back to Rainey, you've said this, but like the fact that one of the greatest basketball players of all time is the guy walking the walk. The most of anybody at kind of like modernizing and diversifying and, and hashtag growing the game. It's just, it's mind blowing.

Well, the other thing that sticks out to me there is the something I think about a lot with golf is like the best, one of the best basketball players of all time, the masters of the universe, the most powerful people in the world. Everybody's nervous on the first tee when someone's watching them swing a golf club. I just love hearing different anecdotes about that exact universal thing. Randy's pretty on the nose. The, the underrated thing, him and his underrated guests considering this thing. One other underrated guest, Denny Cash. Of course. We can't get Denny Cash back. Yeah. Business of golf. I saw JJ Reddick in the basketball realm was a really good guest as

well. I enjoyed that episode a couple like two or three years ago. Couple, couple more ahead of my list. I saw I know one of your favorites, Brendan Todd talking about being in the wilderness and golf swing changes and all that is, that was so good. Scott Harrington, kind of a similar episode and also talking about some of the hardships off the golf course that he went through was amazing. So I talked to Daniel Negranu, which made me laugh. That was really good. I flagged episode episode 69. Do you guys know who was on episode 69? No, this was the big three. Quote, young Neil Tron Carter and Brandon Hagee. I just thought that was a very interesting threesome as a brain in the Hagee. I haven't thought about

that guy in six years. You had all that talk. I hope you reported that to the SEC. All that stuff. I specifically requested PFT commenter for episode 69. I didn't end up coming to fruition, but I wanted him for episode 69. All right, couple more segments here.

I would say too, I mean, just in recent memory, like Keith Mitchell, like's crazy podcast guest in history It's possible. Nobody nobody went harder Other than maybe Rick Larson as far as preparation. Well, that was trap drama And then I'd be remiss. He's but I think he's been on twice is is Tommy Tommy Fleetwood's been great Yeah, and you know, he's got a great accent obviously But like the did it at players and then I think we've done him once beyond that too. So that was another most stressful moments realizing I didn't flip the switch to

have the mixer recording to the computer. So it was just my computer recording from a mile away. Our convo we had with Tommy at the players. That was a, that was a tough realization. When did you get Frankie? Frankie Fleetwood on next? It's time of hottest. Tommy. Frankie flew it on next. Try my hottest. Tommy, Frankie, me and Freddie. Thank you to everyone that has made it through 1000 episodes of

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you. Head over to no laying up.com slash join to get involved and join the nest back to the pot. All right. Couple more, couple more segments to get to a lot of bits on the podcast. Obviously, some people love the bits. Some people fucking hate the bits. The bits will continue is all I can say for at least the next thousand episodes. So I wanted to know favorite bit in the history of the pod. So I think we had the same one. So why don't you, why don't you set it up? bit in the history of the pod. So I think we had the same one. So why don't you, why don't you set it up? I mean, he had to do it to him. You know, he put his foot down. He was so bold on the Tommy Proclamation. And when it came time for a reckoning on answering for that call, he went running. And this is my favorite bit of all time. That was certainly not my experience six years ago. And a lot of people in the comments are not necessarily driving with that.

Oh my God. Oh my God. Hold on. Are you at the airport? Gentlemen, hello. Are you going? Sorry, I'm late. I'm late.

What did I miss? TC, we need a proof of life. Where are you? Can you show us some signage? That's dull as I could see. I recognize that from a mile away. Low ceilings. Give it away. Low ceilings. Give

it away. I'm at Dulles. Let me make it wider for you. There we go. Yeah, I'm standing outside the Polaris lounge here at C16. There's Dulles. Yeah, it was touch and go, man. I was talking to my wife, Alex, last night. I was like, man, I think I had a dream. I think Tommy's going to win. What are you, MLK? No. Yeah, I don't know. It was like, this would be the coolest sporting moment possible. And so I committed to it. I bought the flight. I got a flight on Lufthansa for 80,000 miles of business class through Frankfurt. It's just unbelievable.

Jesus. It was a sign. It was on a 747. I've never been on a 747 before. So I was like, I gotta do it. I gotta take it. I want to. It was pretty touch and go. I was texting, Hey man, like I'm gonna be on my way to the airport. I don't know like if he's going to do it or not. And he keeps missing pots and all that. I'm like, you know what? I'm still getting on that plane. Cause either way, I believe he said, quote, I got, I gotta

see it through. I was like, yo, DJ, you know, I kind of had a, I had a feeling maybe that's where he was headed. And then I was like, I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. gotta see it through. I was like, yo, DJ, you know, I kind of had a, I had a feeling maybe that's where he was headed. You had it on your calendar. TC. That's what gave you away. I found it on your calendar. Oh, he's too organized. It's just, no, it just automatically throws it on there. So yeah. So I'm, I'm, I'll find a Frankfurt tonight. It just, it's not a bit either. Of course. That was just genuine. That was also going to be my other, my other nominee is just anytime TC says

it's not a bit is also the top of my list of favorite bit. How about, how about your, your Lucas Glover dream and your Tommy dream being, being nightmares, John Gruden, I'm about turning dreams into nightmares. God, it's just, it's so, it's so good. So good TC, uh,., Pallada, congratulations again on just an iconic moment in podcasting. Neil. Hey, he pump faked us too.

I will say, as the bit continues, I can't remember what it was. I don't know, I don't think it was a Canadian playoff, was it? It might have been. It might have been. But you sent the picture. Yeah, it posted like that photo his winter again, not a big full

of when he was on the corn fair. It was fall of 20. No, I feel like it was fall of his rookie year and he's like, he's coming make so many birdies just, and then, but then it kind of the bit turned into a little bit of a, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, he's bad for the game. He's, you know, it went from like, I told you he was coming to like, this guy is

awful for golf and it's Frankenstein's monster. The bit, the bit's not bad. It's not bad. It's not bad. It's not bad. It's not bad. It's not bad. It's not bad.

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And then Sally just kept like, kind of ignoring it or kind of like trying to move off of the subject every time I brought it up. So then I just started saying that Sally hates Scotty. And then it just morphed from there or the next year and a half, two years until like, you know, until he kind of turned into Scott. I think that until you're like, no, I can't,

we can't have this guy anymore. That's my favorite part of the bit. my favorite bit would be the nine other guys that have been called generational talents that didn't pick up me generational talents. That's a good point too. That leads. Yeah. I was going to say that leads into a couple other hall of famers. Anytime Sally hates anybody is always fun.

Foxy, big shop Bob, you know, et al. They're true. Kumi Kani, things of that nature. I've got two more though. TC versus the Canadians, I think is always a good one. And I think another all-timer is just the 2016 PJ Chamber Jib was faked on a soundstage, I think is the one that has really pissed some people off over the years. That one, that's probably the best one. Yeah.

CC, you want to tell the story about that? What about it? About Jimmy, your interaction with Jimmy, of him being like, oh, listen, what's going on, guys? This joke's out of control. I don't even remember, was that in the DMs? It was in the DMs. We were having a good time. We were up at the straw, I think, for a Simpsons Cup, hanging out with my hitters.

And you posted a story there and tagged Jimmy Walker and he was quick to jump in the replies. Yeah, he was not happy. Put it down. Hey man, I agree to disagree, you know? Your Uncle Juice is also in that. And that's fine. That's a long running one.

You know what? I'm at I don't know if we've actually talked about this very much on the pod, but combining those two T.C. getting quoted on Rogan was yeah, was one of the one of the best things of all time. Rogan is going through replies to OJ Simpson's tweets. And he goes, yeah, I mean, like, look at this fucking guy, like Tron Carter, no laying up, you know, agree to disagree on this one, juice. One of the rare instances where we disagree.

And that's fine. And that's fine. And like, God, that lives in my head. Shout out to Jamie, by the way, listener of the pod. All right, two other non-TC bits. Sally, I always think another one, the bits seem to go totally full circle. Like the Brooks was here. That was more of a social thing, but like, you know, it kind of sums up the way the bits Evan flow. It's like, that was what

2016, you know, and like, I invented Brooks. Yeah. Yeah. You invented Brooks and then, but then he, you know, he, he turns heel. And then I always got a kick out of Randy and TC with the Sergio tax filing bit. Like, yeah, we've got him every year to win the masters. It's like filing our taxes. And then he wins. We lost so much money. They didn't file it that year. And I, it's one of those where I was like, man, I thought, God, my

brother hated Sergio growing up. Why is he, but now he likes him. I can't keep up. It's just like, I can't keep up. So I don't know how anybody listening could keep up with the bits. I don't know how I didn't think of this one, but the golf blog I can't keep up. It's just like, I can't keep up. So I don't know how anybody listening could keep up with the bits. I don't know how I didn't think of this one, but the golf blog, no laying it up.

It's a good one. Back from 2017 CNN report. That one got me pretty good. God, we had a bit in the pretty early going of like, if the leaderboard was really bad, you know, it's like Troy Merritt and, and, uh, the monkey bars. And anyone who threatens our way of life competing. Yeah. Just, just like, yeah, guys that just, you know, Zach Johnson, the little

boy, like, oh yeah, these guys, he got some terrorists. They're on the monkey. One of the biggest bonding moments of me and TC, I think share that, that monkey bars, JIF like you use that too. Oh my God. I use that all the time. Full circle there for me too. I, you know, being outside of the monkey bar.

Or the Japanese sprocket, the fireworks, fireworks chip. So I would say the wax, wax pop can't play early on the Kucha thing. And then, you know, like first episode, lax pop can't play stinks. And he goes on ships in on Sunday and he wins. And but like Kucha, Kucha was just kind of a bit like for really like it's kind of died off. But the first six years of the pod, like, you know, Kucha, like he would he would hula dance or he would go to Hawaii for like a month with his family.

And they would, he would be in all the commercials or like he didn't pay L2 can and all that stuff. It was just, Coochie was the needle. Dark times in golf. Randy, what do you got? Yeah. I'm glad TC shouted out the lax pop. That was a phrase. I was thinking back on just some of our bits, I guess. Cody, do you have that clip from the very first episode, maybe? All right.

First one we're going to burn on. We're a house divided on Matt Coucher. Lax pop can't play. No killer instinct. I think we know where Tron stands. Tron has a scalding hot take on it. Let's hear it. Tron, what sort of scouting report on this cooch guy?

Top 10's out the ass. How many times has he won? He's won five career wins? Ten professional wins. Five wins. Like seven total, but like five after his career resurgence. I don't think his career started until 09. He won the oh since oh not he won the oh two Honda Classic the oh nine turning stone resort championship the

2010 Barclays 2012 players 2013 Accenture match play 2013 Memorial pretty good those are some nice couple nice dub you know that's five wins in the last five years can we I'll take sir Sergio. This is Neil from Atlanta. Long time listener, first time caller. Can we acknowledge, it's amazing when a guy comes on so late in his career and now establishes the consistency at the top of the leaderboard. I think, that's a unique trait.

Thanks for the phone call, Neil. Good stuff. Anyone that waited a couple of days later, it was too perfect. Well, just the bit comes from college football. Coach Chris Woods, my defensive coordinator senior, he used to just eviscerate people in the Sunday game film. And these are the lax pop can't play for me. It would be like how he would describe certain linebacker

play. Has a tendency to be the nail, not the hammer. I can't trust this guy, if he told me good morning, I go check and see if the sun was up. Fucking stinks. Just a lot, a lot of stuff like that going on in the Columbia football film room. Cody, do you have a clip of the 2019 masters? I missed, I, I threw this on there. I miss this other, the, the RIP cat. That was another bit. RIP cat's always a good one. That threads got to be about 75 tweets long at this point. Yeah. Raise your hand if you

had given up if you did not think this was going to happen. My hand is raised. My hands are raised for sure. I never TC not I don't know. I mean everybody thinks I'm like anti tiger because I did the RIP cat bumped it 150 times. But no, I've always, like, you know, Randy owes me a thousand bucks. We'll have to talk about that later. What does that mean? We shook on a bet a few years back, I would say five, maybe five years ago about whether Tiger would win another major. I said he'd win at least two more.

I legitimately do like this is not me being coy. I do not remember this I think you I think I yeah either either I was over served or I just don't remember. Oh that was the night we played pool with Todd Hamilton I think. Oh it was in Columbus. It was in Columbus. The memorial. Yeah. Did you pay up on that Randy? No. No, but my lawyers have advised me if you don't remember it, there's some, you know, there's some, yeah. I had one more. I mentioned the lax pop can't play, but Sully, I have to give you a shout out. It started last year at the masters. I truly love your call ins

from on the grounds as scoops. Like it is a plus work. Well, I think the Greg Norman stuff continues with our final voicemail. Cody. Oh no. So more news from the front line. You wouldn't believe it. I wouldn't. I'll start that over. I knew from the front line. I wouldn't believe it. I didn't do it with my own two eyes again. Greg Norman exit in the putting green walks up to the ropes between nine and 10 to try to get roars attention has a shit eating grin on his face as Roy walks right by does not acknowledge him. We walk up to the 12th tee. John Rom and rules official Steven Cox getting into it over pace of play. John Rom was exasperated, annoyed, yelling at him look like as they're

walking off the 12th green off the 12th tee. Keep your eye on this story. Thought you were going to exit, uh, edit it for me. And they're just like, nah, fuck you. You're you're getting the whole thing. It's a great bit. I just want to congratulate you. They tickle me. I, the, the accent and the ability to like fly through thought it's very good. So kudos Neil Neil at the recent Beal is joining. Yeah, they sent one of the associate reporters out because cuz scoops was sick I said, what did you say Rory hit puberty and drop two at the first I think First big office charging really really good stuff

All right last last section here. I think office charging. Really, really good stuff. All right. Last last section here. I asked for you know, there's a lot of predictions that float around here. I was asking what's the most electric prediction in pot history? Take that anyway you want. So again, I think we were swimming in the same pot here. So before we get to that one, we don't need to play a clip. It just happened, but I want to throw out Randy's Lucas Glover premonition at the Masters.

I think was was true. That one really hit me between the eyes. One of my favorite, favorite things ever. And then TC say he also had a dream about Lucas Glover and then Lucas Glover shooting like when he shoot 95 in the first round or something like that. I mean, it was just awesome. Awesome. Do you know how excited TC and I were though to to find out the other had had the Lucas Glover

premonition? I mean, I thought for sure he was going to be in contention. I mean, it's fantastic. But Sally, what was, what was the other one? You do quote, gotta hand it to him. I think it started as a bit and ended up, it was followed up with such great enthusiasm that we will look back on the original, original grasp in the RV with great fondness. But yeah, I think predicting the upcoming of the coming of a Swede for the European rider cup team was an all time electric prediction with the changing of the guard for Europe. Do are they able to keep that camaraderie in that? Cause it's, it's a very,

I think a lot of that's leadership honestly like the captaincy they were naming there like the Donald McDowell Stenson like Harrington kind of vibe they have is what dictates that. But some of it's also a little bit cultural right where you've got a lot you know you've got some with Poulter and Westwood and guys that are you know they're bar guy they're they're blokes right and you know, they're, they're bar guy. They're, they're blokes, right? And, um, if you add the, the Hogard twins or, or this Ludwig character that we keep talking about, uh, you know, a lot of, a lot of Northern Europeans, all right. Like, what does that look like? Right. Does that change the con the complexion of the personality

of the team? So we had, we had talked about Ludwig that, you know, earlier on that week. I'm like, yeah, there's this there's this Ludwig guys at Texas Tech. He's coming. But then we we doubled down pretty quickly after that. I'm like, you know, like this guy's really freaking good. He went out, won the prestige out in Palm Springs. I started reading out as his college results later that week. It was it was really good stuff.

Neil, what do you got? I think TC predicting column or call to win eight majors. At I think I can't run everyone the open championship. Last time was it solid by 2020, 2028? It was 2021. I said a calendar invite. I believe that's for next summer to check in on that prediction. All right. Here's the question.

Colin Morikawa over under majors four point five. That was I was wondering what number you're going to throw out. That was I didn't know if you're going to go four and a half or five and a half. Oh, I was thinking three and a half or four and a half. So how about a little bit more fanfare for what? What is my favorite game? I know you kind of just pulled it out on us. You know, that's like times each year.

Yeah. One a one b with how far back is too far back. Exactly. Like, there should be some like music or give me give me trumpets or something. It's hard to do live. Four point five is a little that's a little disrespectful, right? He's got to what Rory has for this Brooks has for the four, four point fours, a lot above 4.5.

Thanks, though. Yeah, like above 4.5 puts him like top 15 all time. And again, as we as we said last night, we said this last night and I'll say it again now that he won like as of right now, every time somebody wins one of these, every time a young guy does this, you can sit here and it feels like it's going to be forever. It feels like it's going to be there forever. He's got to do this three more times to beat four and a half. It sounds crazy low right now, but I think I would take under on that. Under four and a half.

I'm going over and I'll sign them up for a grand slam. I'm going over and I'll sign them up for a grand slam or one year. And he seems like he's got mega us open game, right? There's a certain extent of like the guy's got that look in his eye. The stats back him up is like the best iron player since tiger. And he's, he's, he's adding more skills to his repertoire with the chipping and figuring out the putting and all that. And it's like, I mean, I would go, I think he wins eight majors. I think he wins seven or eight majors.

Grand slam. You with me TC on a grand slam? I don't know. I just, I just found it. I just said in our podcast slack revisit TC predicting more cow wins eight majors in 2020 open recap. I said that for next Sunday, July 19th, 2026. I feel like unfortunately on that note, I do have to bounce on balancing sick kids schedules, but this was an absolute blast. You guys please continue. Yeah. And I just, I wanted to hit that one because I figured someone would hit me with a Nelly wins 11 and you know, people

forget TC's more call a call. So, you know, it's a hard game to play. And I think 11 still alive with Nelly. The problem, the road. And you know, when you stick your neck out, you're going to get stuff wrong, but you know, you gotta, you gotta stick with it too. Like that's the thing about the Ludwig thing. Like I threw it out in 23 and then all of 24 while he's in college, I stuck with it and then stuck with it or, you know, like basically just stuck with it all the way through. And then predicted that he was going to be on the rider cup team that year before he'd even graduated college yet. Well, and like that, that's the hard part with this more Cal one is like TC is like one of those quarterbacks that just said there's too much time on the

clock for this one. Cause there's what he's got, you know, more cows got like five more years, eight more years. But like TC's gonna, he's going to find a way to get out of this one. You know, he'll dump it off in the slot or hit somebody long. He'll, he'll get out of this one. I'm not, I'm not worried about my guy for this one. Neil, however, I believe, you know, your, your prediction was correct on this one. I'm not, I'm not worried about my guy for this one. Neil, however, I believe, you know, your, your prediction was correct on this one, Randy, I'm sure you're going to nominate the heavy dog here. Oh yeah. It's Neil. We, after Nellie Corda's first major, this was the 2021 women's KPMG.

I was in a hotel room in Denver. Cody, go ahead and play the clip. Is it time to play our favorite game? Oh yeah, let's play. Let's set the number. Career majors, Nelly Korda. Oh my gosh. Neil, do you want to set as a relative newcomer, would you like to set the over-under number? Can you guys remind me, can you remind me how old, how old is Nelly? She's 22. I'll say 11. I'll say 11. That's fantastic. Is that the number we always set?

I don't know how this works. There's one extra major for the women. I mean, I still think you could justify it, man. At 22, God, I mean, just the whole world in front of her. Unbelievable stuff. I underrated. Is this the number we always say? I forgot about the chaser on that one. That's, that's great. Uh, TC, what else do we have? Also I want to, there's a pro shop credit out there. If somebody can find all the instances

in 19 and 20 that I was talking about Scotty, Because I feel like, I mean, I was saying like, man, I cannot emphasize how good this guy is. And so just throwing that out there. Email me. Was that you talking with the commish maybe? Maybe it could have been. Yeah, God, that could have been one of the commission's final final gifts to us. Yeah, I had listen, I had one of my own, the 22 Open Championship. Of course you did.

You see, Cam Smith, you know, if you guys remember correctly, I had Champagne and the crown on the recap show, but I was pretty steadfast. Even I think episode 579 was the Open Championship preview. I said, Cam Smith is going to win. I was going nuts with Nuggies at that point too. I had been on just hitting out rates all for the last six weeks before that. It's a high hurdle rate you got there, TC. Exactly. You got to keep the investors happy. Yeah. I'm not trying to win bets. I'm trying to like create generational wealth here. Like I'm trying to uncover some big time things. And on that note, you know, he's 130 to one, but I just can't in good conscience take him

because I think it would be too irresponsible as Bob McIntyre. So I want to apologize to all the Scots out there, to Big Bob personally for not taking him and to the cat for not taking the cat either. Cause I'm not betting on the cat this week. I got five plays. We're going to start out with the usual Mark Leishman plus 10,020 nugs to win.

All these are outright winner plays. Next Adam Scott. How do the investors feel about that one? Fine. He's a proper player. Adam Scott plus 6,530 nugs. Joaquin Neiman plus 5,030 nugs. Jordan Spieth plus 1,650 nugs and Cameron Smith plus 2,870 nugs. Wow. TC you buried the lead. You picked five winners there.

Some pretty bad picks in there as well. Yeah, I did pick five winners, but I also put the most NUGgies. And I doubled down on Friday night. I doubled down again on Saturday night when Rory, it was Rory versus Cam. And I predicted exactly how it would play out. Cheers.

That was my crowning achievement in all of you. I feel like I've seen my lines that week specifically. I feel like the vision fund has just been getting investigated and picked apart ever since. It's been a tough legal road to hoe for the vision fund since that moment. But it's good to celebrate the high water marks. Kind of right around the time that we work with Bust, I think.

I think that's right. Yeah, exactly. It was like a serious E that he had just raised and it just, you know, how are we gonna pay all these people back at this point? We were living high on the hog, D. That's right. We had so much cash out money,

things are flying around. That's exactly right. Different time. Well, that kind of brings us to the end of the segments there. Thank you guys for all the nominations. Cody, thanks for pulling all the clips. A couple of people to shout out. We don't do it enough, but our guy Phil Brame in the edit has edited the lion's share of these 1000 episodes. Just, you know, other than maybe my wife, probably the most reliable person

I think that we deal with on a daily basis. Guy is always ready to go, always flipping all these pods, a bunch of trap draws, everything we need from him. He's the guy who's there to make it happen. So shout out to him. Anybody else you guys want to shout out on the way out here? Pantomime. Shout out to everybody. Everybody. Every guest. Anybody want to shout out on the way out here? And shout out to everybody, everybody, every guest, anybody that's ever appeared on the NLU podcast. I feel like it's a shout out here. Here. Pat in the hat. Of course. Twice. That's right.

Yeah. Who is who is who is biggest like sophomore slump ever that like, oh, man, we had this guy on and he was great. And then the second time he just stunk or. Yeah, I mean, it's got be a cat in the hat PC. That was the second half. Second appearance was tough. First one was great. God. And even when this was before we had video, I still have the video. It's literally like he's in an interrogation booth somewhere like being deposed, not making any movements at all is just, it's rough. Let me ask you guys this, who's still on the white whale list of guests? Someone we haven't had yet that we really need to?

I mean, I think a deep, like an actual Tiger podcast. Yeah, but it's just, you know, I don't know if the cat's really into that kind of thing. He doesn't feel like a guy likes to look back much. Yeah, I think that's I think that's fair I know we've kicked out of Ray Floyd Ray Floyd definitely Sally and I saw him at At the Masters last week. Yeah Intimidating cat for sure. I'll say that Yeah, Ray Floyd Jim Thorpe Yeah for me Spencer Levine said he would do it but Yeah, Ray Floyd, Jim Thorpe. Yeah. For me. A formative.

Spencer Levine said he would do it, but like, I don't know if I want Spencer. I would rather just have that live in my psyche forever. I think that's a good idea. Big Mama, Joanne Carter. That's a good one. Would be electric. Yeah. And Gary Player.

Yeah, that's, that's, we've never, never done that. That would be, that would be electric without a doubt. Well guys, thanks for, thanks for, for taking another spin down memory lane here. Anybody else got anything else? Otherwise we'll, we'll, we'll hit the road. We'll see you at 2000. Here's to another thousand. Cody, thanks for, for running the ones and twos.

Randy, solid Neil TC. Boys, we uh, we'll catch you next time. We'll keep it going. I forgot a shout out. I think we got to shout out the audience for sharing possible. If people were listening here, here, well said for a long time, people weren't listening, that's true. We did, we did, you know, work through, which would be like, you know, people asked like, well, what, what should, you know, I want to do something like that.

I mean, you just got to start, you know, you should like, you just got to, and then you just got to keep doing it. And I mean, it's not, it's not that simple, but that's a big part of it. I firmly believe that, you know, a lot of it's good timing and everything, but I'd say for 18 months, it was just like, kind of just us like making each other laugh, which is,

which I always get a kick out of eating, eating Tostitos and saying dumb stuff like lax pop can't play. I would say shout out to, shout out to Billy Horschel. Yeah, Billy Horschel was pretty early on Twitter, but then podcast wise, it just kind of, you know, I think that that actually that first week that we recorded the first episode, Horschel was kind of our dude. He had followed us on Twitter and he was Horschel and like Chris Stroud or Horschel and he was weirdly he's playing with Trevor Immelman, we followed him for 18 holes. And it was a Friday and Horschel was on the cut line and there was nobody else following him. It's

like his wife and a couple other fans. And at first I think he was like, who are these guys? Like what are they? You know, cause he was struggling. And then at the end of the round, he was really gracious and he, he spent a little bit of time with us by the putting green at heritage. I remember that vividly. Even just, I mean, yeah, the more you tell stories, whenever you realize like how many people have come on multiple times and brought the heat Billy's always a great guest. Trevor you mentioned is always a great guest. Harry Higgs, Joel Damon. I mean, there's Keith Mitchell. There's just like, there's too many people to name truly that have taken up some great

real estate in that the first 1000 episodes. So thank you to all of those people Thank you to the audience as you said Randy and hey, thank you to you guys, you know, it's always fun. It was fun hopping on the blower with you guys So they think I mean thanks to Randy for for spice bush. That's spice bush. I don't think there would be an episode one Always need a venue. That's right Well guys crack on and we will we will catch everybody next time. Cheers. Yes